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The most recent discussion on Luohu Cun was around 01-30-14. At that time, I posted a photo showing the Cun taken from the Shangri La Hotel. The chachaba screenshot below shows the location. The Shangri-La hotel is the central building with the 'flying saucer' on top and the swimming pool.
Please ignore the comments posted about the Cun being easily seen from Renmin Rd Sth and the Shenzhen Railway station. The remnants are in fact almost impossible to see because of high fences, construction sites and other buildings. Totally impossible to see from Yanhe Rd Sth. The main entrance is on Renmin Rd Sth and you need to go about 75-100 metres through the entrance before you reach the main area of the Cun (on the right).
Also the girls didn't wear funny country clothes as reported. They were normal girls (reasonably new to SZ, often ex-factory girls), albeit generally low quality (there are of course exceptions). You had to go to the apartments, entering through narrow, dark alleys to see the girls (at least for the last 4 years).
Luohu Cun massage girls used to hang out of the shops on the 2 roads through the Cun, (until the crackdown this year). Massage girls in the shops next to the large construction site (see photo) also used to provide FS in rooms above the shops.
Pricing in the last few years, was typical of most areas in Luohu / Dongmen. ST 300 for foreigners, negotiable down to 150 (local pricing), 500 back at hotel (but not available unless you knew the mama). I have no idea of LT rates there, but typically in Luohu / Dongmen it used to be 800.
Cheers
Are these the pink apartments behind the Lion building / hotel? Between Shangrila and Seibu?
SJ.
Had PM asking me to show location in greater detail. The relevant area is shaded green. And the larger gap between the low-rise buildings is the road shown in the first photo in my previous post.
But I doubt that there is much point in rushing there. There is little or no action at present (as reported by Superforce99).
And even if there was action, you would not be lucky enough to find Mongolians there (with or without fur-lined jackets). But the apartments are generally quite clean!
As you can see from the photos, Luohu Cun is not a scary, slummy, dirty place. And the girls do not wear funny farm clothes. Some of them, are of course, new to the game, and the quality is generally low.
In fact, Xiang Xi Cun is way scarier at night as you have to negotiate the myriad of dark 2 metre alleys to find the touts. In Luohu Cun, the touts are standing on the bigger, well-lit roads at the corners to the alleys.
The only advantages of Xiang Xi Cun are that sometimes (but increasingly less common), some of the girls may be in the alleys, and also take-out is more commonly available.
The problem is that ages ago, some poster probably wrote an adverse, tongue in cheek comment about the Cun. Then others (who have probably never been there), copy the comment and exaggerate the situation further! Myths tend to get perpetuated!
It is easy to identify those posters who have never been to these places by examining the directions they provide. For example, if punters tried to follow their directions to the Hubei Xin Cun SYTs, they would probably get lost. Hubei Xin Cun covers quite a large area, and one can easily venture into the wrong parts, and never find anything. Some also confuse the real Seafood street with the street they are describing.
The thing that I hate about Luohu Cun (and other Cuns), is that these days you must go to the rooms (they are quite clean tho') and the touts bring the girls in one after the other (as you reject each one). This can take ages, and really takes the edge off your hunger.
Now, who wants to go to Huang Bei Ling Cun (not that far up the road from Xiang Xi Cun) for a 50 RMB snack? Probably been bulldozed by now!
Cheers
Thanks for the awesome report, things have been so slow lately.
Wanted to pitch in a little regarding getting people online. Earlier this year I did sign up for a couple of those dating sites, jiayuan and zhenai. It usually takes a little bit of time and effort, exchanging online messages to start, wechat and a couple of calls then you actually meet up and you take them out for a few dates. I did manage to hook up with 4 of them, longest was 4 dates and quickest was 1 date hahaha.
Its also not as easy to end and you do have to go through the whole nine yards of "breaking up" with someone. And like a lot of experienced mongers will say free usually ends up costing you more. Haha.
Again, thanks for the great guide for the Luo Hu area, I'm in Dongguan city where its beyond dead.
Steven Jones
06-19-14, 12:38
Foreigners' rates before last CNY raid:
Hubei Xin Cun: 300 why for 2 shots at hotel, usually 1 hour.
Xiang Xin Cun: 200 Y 1 shot at hotel, about half hour. 150 Y in apartments in the cun.
Luoho Xin Cun: 150 Y in apartments.Thanks for the prices. I'll let you all know how it goes.
Steven Jones
06-19-14, 12:45
The most recent discussion on Luohu Cun was around 01-30-14. At that time, I posted a photo showing the Cun taken from the Shangri La Hotel. The chachaba screenshot below shows the location. The Shangri-La hotel is the central building with the 'flying saucer' on top and the swimming pool.
Please ignore the comments posted about the Cun being easily seen from Renmin Rd Sth and the Shenzhen Railway station. The remnants are in fact almost impossible to see because of high fences, construction sites and other buildings. Totally impossible to see from Yanhe Rd Sth. The main entrance is on Renmin Rd Sth and you need to go about 75-100 metres through the entrance before you reach the main area of the Cun (on the right).
Also the girls didn't wear funny country clothes as reported. They were normal girls (reasonably new to SZ, often ex-factory girls), albeit generally low quality (there are of course exceptions). You had to go to the apartments, entering through narrow, dark alleys to see the girls (at least for the last 4 years).
Luohu Cun massage girls used to hang out of the shops on the 2 roads through the Cun, (until the crackdown this year). Massage girls in the shops next to the large construction site (see photo) also used to provide FS in rooms above the shops.
Pricing in the last few years, was typical of most areas in Luohu / Dongmen. ST 300 for foreigners, negotiable down to 150 (local pricing), 500 back at hotel (but not available unless you knew the mama). I have no idea of LT rates there, but typically in Luohu / Dongmen it used to be 800.
Cheers.Handy notes, picture too.
Thanks man.
OldAsiaHand
06-20-14, 12:30
I still have fond memories of getting ice creams for me, OAH, and a mamasan before we all headed upstairs to check out her girls.
SF99:
I am glad to see you are back in the hunt. Great reports albeit sad to ponder. That said, at least one can get laid in SZ even if the choices are only a fraction of what they were in the day and more often than not, more expensive.
I also have fond memories of mongering with you and other ISG brothers in SZ in times past. The ice cream incident you refer to above happened around 10 years ago to my recollection. The last time I was in the Shangri-La apartments was when you took me to visit one o your regular suppliers a couple of years ago and I did a girl in a room behind a hanging blanket to separate you and the mamasan at the dining table.
I remember all the places you mention; Candyland lane near Futian Walmart, Jusco BBS, Pink Apartments, etc.
IMHO, China / SZ will never be like it used to be. Those days are gone for good I am afraid.
Just my POV.
OAH.
ManOfMystery
06-23-14, 06:46
Hello all,
I've been in Shenzhen for just about a month now. I've only been seeing some regular girls and while there is one that I like, I believe it will take more time before I can get her into bed. So I need to get some action on the side. First a little about myself. I'm not too experienced as a monger. I did some saunas in Rio before and last year I hit up Sosua in the DR a couple of times. Now I'm living in Shenzhen. It was disheartening to read about the crackdowns but from what I read, while not like it used to be, it is still possible to find some girls. I've had luck meeting girls from wechat but despite my escalation attempts, they've all been "good" girls and want to take things slow. The girl I really like I met at a bus stop. So what's the next step? I've been able to identify the pros on wechat pretty easily. I've written a few and a couple blew me off for not knowing and / or not being Chinese, the others have quoted me 700 for ST and 1200 for night. I haven't tried to negotiate but I imagine it's possible to get them down a little. But I'm really worried about the quality, such as the poster a little while back wrote about getting an older broad with leathery hands and smeared on makeup. What are the odds that I get a bangable chick? My other option I guess is to find a massage place. A massage and HJ at this point would be nice. I live in Nanshan, I haven't done too much exploring but the only spa I've seen seems too reputable for what I want. So with my day off today I think I will try and do some more exploring. The directions to places in other posts seem great but being a big time newbie to this city I want to stay on the beaten path at least to start out. I get lost very easily even on my home turf haha. So I just wanted to come on here and say Hello, and that I will hopefully have some positive report worthy experiences to share. The only people I know in Shenzhen are the people at work, whom I haven't socialized with, and the chicks I've been dating. So if anyone would like to meet and go hunting, I'm down for it.
Hello all,
I've been in Shenzhen for just about a month now. I've only been seeing some regular girls and while there is one that I like, I believe it will take more time before I can get her into bed. So I need to get some action on the side. First a little about myself. I'm not too experienced as a monger. I did some saunas in Rio before and last year I hit up Sosua in the DR a couple of times. Now I'm living in Shenzhen. It was disheartening to read about the crackdowns but from what I read, while not like it used to be, it is still possible to find some girls. I've had luck meeting girls from wechat but despite my escalation attempts, they've all been "good" girls and want to take things slow. The girl I really like I met at a bus stop. So what's the next step? I've been able to identify the pros on wechat pretty easily. I've written a few and a couple blew me off for not knowing and / or not being Chinese, the others have quoted me 700 for ST and 1200 for night. I haven't tried to negotiate but I imagine it's possible to get them down a little. But I'm really worried about the quality, such as the poster a little while back wrote about getting an older broad with leathery hands and smeared on makeup. What are the odds that I get a bangable chick? My other option I guess is to find a massage place. A massage and HJ at this point would be nice. I live in Nanshan, I haven't done too much exploring but the only spa I've seen seems too reputable for what I want. So with my day off today I think I will try and do some more exploring. The directions to places in other posts seem great but being a big time newbie to this city I want to stay on the beaten path at least to start out. I get lost very easily even on my home turf haha. So I just wanted to come on here and say Hello, and that I will hopefully have some positive report worthy experiences to share. The only people I know in Shenzhen are the people at work, whom I haven't socialized with, and the chicks I've been dating. So if anyone would like to meet and go hunting, I'm down for it.I appreciate the difficulties you are encountering. We all faced them at some time in our travels.
Nanshan is a big district, and I don't know which part you live in. But it is relatively easy to get around. Futian and Luohu districts are not that far away by taxi or MTR, especially if you live at the OCT end of Nanshan.
BTW, if you use Wechat to find a pro, or phone an escort / massage agency (using one of the many classified ad services), you are more likely to get a youngish fugly rather an old farm hand. Up to you if you regard her as bangable. You could try and demand actual photos, saying that you will refuse if different girl shows up. And, on your Wechat account, state (in Chinese) that you cannot speak Chinese. Also communicate your needs clearly (BJ etc). They may refuse otherwise.
Anyway, some suggestions:
• Be adventurous and visit various places in SZ.
• If you are worried about getting lost, use the GPS on your phone.
• Join ISG so that other members can PM you.
• Read the Shenzhen and South China threads here. Don't worry about North China as things tend to be a little different.
• Go to Shekou (Nanshan). I am not familiar with the area, but it is where a lot of expats live. There are pubs there (McCawleys etc). I believe the Snake Pit is good for socialising. Guys there will advise re local action such as Chicken Street (possibly non-existent these days).
• If you are willing to go a bit further afield, then Coco Park in Futian is reasonably close, is a good place for bars where some expats hang out and to meet FLs. Also most taxi drivers know the words Coco Park rather than struggle with Chinese names (GouWu GongYuan 购 物 公 园).
• For a very laid back and friendly bar, try the one at Central Walk shopping centre next to the Sheraton. It is one MTR station past Coco Park (Convention Centre stop), or grab a cab. I think the bar is called Expats (I haven't been there for a year or so). The bar is not inside the shopping centre; it is on the street level, outer side, closest to the Sheraton, next to a little pizza hole in the wall shop.
• Ask local Chinese guys at work for good massage places. Then ask them if the places have special massages or extras. They might even accompany you to show you the ropes.
• If you go to massage places, learn some appropriate Chinese words and phrases, especially words for HJ, BJ, BBBJ, etc. Check that these words / phrases are used locally. Sometimes there are variations.
• If you are interested in meeting freebies, I wrote a post here a couple of months ago about how to meet freebies in SZ. You can access via the 'Links to Reports of Distinction' thread.
• Use websites that hook-up people wanting to learn foreign language by meeting / email / chat. One I used was mylanguageexchange dot com (may still exist).
• When you meet a freebie girl, invite her to your place on the pretext that you have your computer there, with a good translator app, which will help with conversations. If she is horrified (as a few will be), move on. If she accepts, you are in like Flynn. A few will hesitate, which probably means not today, but maybe tomorrow.
• Don't expect freebie girls to invite you to their apartment. 95% live in dormitories, share apartment with many girls, or have a tiny, one room shitty apartment.
• If all else fails, go to HK!
Hope this helps, and welcome to SZ.
Ikks.
Posted from the wonderful(?) Charles de Gaulle airport on an invigorating 24 hour, 2 stop flight from Lusaka to Rabat with Air Chance.
Yesterday I received a message from a friend advising he had an excellent full service sauna at a hotel in SZ.
I have mentioned this hotel a couple of times previously on this thread. Not sure if appropriate to name the hotel in these sad times, but readers should be able to identify the place (or PM me).
He visited a number of other massage / sauna places, in Luohu and Futian, but they would not confirm FS to him. He only speaks Cantonese (and English), and had some difficulty communicating with the receptionists. They are being circumspect. However, he suggested that HE and BJ massages are probably available in a lot of places in Luohu now. But he is dubious about the availability of FS.
Cheers.
Ikks.
Posted from the wonderful(?) Charles de Gaulle airport on an invigorating 24 hour, 2 stop flight from Lusaka to Rabat with Air Chance.
Superforce99
06-28-14, 12:38
I ended up going around to two other places I totally forgot about: the BBSs behind the Golden Luohu also called the Huang Bei Ling BBSs and the BBSs in between Gangxia MTR station and Luohu MTR station, in the block past the Shangra La but not arriving at the Jin Guang Hua Mall; I'll call these the "Indian Restaurant BBSs" since that's the easiest landmark in that area.
The Huang Bei Ling BBSs used to be a good alternative to the Xiang Xi Cun BBSs, with a lively, though smaller, selection of gals on any given night. I think the area got somewhat less traffic than XXC so I always felt the girls, in general, were in less of a rush. I still remember one time, going there with a white / blond hair / blue-eyed foreign friend and the papasan being reluctant to show us his girls. When I finally convinced him to show us his girls, I realized he had been stalling: there were three Middle Eastern / Indian guys already in his shop and they were chillin' like rappers, with big smiles, a girl in each arm, fondling breasts and thighs. The girls, on the other hand, didn't look too happy, ha. They pleading looks of "please, choose us and / or save us!" weren't answered since none were particularly attractive to my friend or I. Anyway, this latest trip turned up none of these good times. When you first arrive, you actually have to walk another one or two blocks into the actual alleyways, so the outside area is supposed to look like some normal living area. Once in the unlit / poorly lit back alleyways, you actually have to start looking for mamasans / papasans sitting on chairs just waiting for customers. The weird thing is that I walked by a couple and they basically ignored me. I had to double back and specifically ask them if they had girls, and even then, half of them still ignored me. It was. Baffling. There were a few groups of roaming 20-something year old Chinese guys in the alleyways, and they were able to get shown girls from a few, but not all, of the mamasans / papasans that ignored me, but the fact that it wasn't 100% just deepened the mystery. Anyway, after roaming through every alleyway, I estimate I saw 7-8 mamasans / papasans and only 2 showed me girls. The rooms were about what I remember, with florescent lights and the girl sitting on a ratty sofa. There was one girl in each room I went to and both were average, at best, about a 5 on my scale, and I didn't partake. Mamasans (both who showed me were women) opened at 200 and didn't change price when I walked away. Essentially, this place is a waste of time unless you're pretty intent on getting a cheap ST. Just like many other places in SZ, it's a shell of a shell of shell of its former self in the glory days.
The Indian Restaurant BBSs gave me some really great memories back in the days. I would categorize them as the "cousin" of the Pink Apartment BBS, and I've had an interesting mixture of fresh-off-the-bus girls, part-time freelancers, and life-long-working girls who were in their 40's in these places. A couple of girls ended up regular friends with benefits, so you never know what these girls are thinking or planning, so be nice, respectful, and make them laugh and good things can happen. Anyway, there used to be a little contingent of 40-50 year old women waiting around downstairs, pushing for guys to come upstairs for a look. But, this time around, nothing. I knew something was wrong because those women are ALWAYS out there, rain or shine. Walked around a bit and nobody came up to me or came out to greet me. So, I guess that's it for this place, and yet another example of a place becoming a shell of a shell of a shell of its former self in the glory days.
In an update about regular girl options, it's been relatively easy to get girls to reply to my messages and ads on various websites, but getting them into bed is taking a lot longer than I was planning. The random girl from craigslist I mentioned before is now coming over 2-3 times a week for some pretty intense sex and I couldn't be happier about that situation, but I'd like to add variety to the mix. Another online girl took 4 dates over 3 weeks + countless hours of inane chatting / messaging before finally coming over to my place for sex. I was her second sexual partner ever and her third sexual experience ever, so you can imagine the sex was. Lacking and she wasn't quite into it as I would have liked. It's fun and exciting because she's new pussy, but I really had no interest in continuing the charade for additional mediocre sex so I ended it short after that first experience. I have two more girls in the same developmental process now and it's not ideal thinking I'll likely get more mediocre sex in 1-3 weeks. I'd rather target sluttier / sexually open girls, but my methods only end up getting me normal Chinese girls. I'd love to exchange thoughts / ideas / experiences with other members about this or other points.
Anyway, I hope this report helps to spread understanding and information about the current situation.
SF99
LukeSkywalker
06-29-14, 01:40
The local bros were calling the area behind Seafood Street Hubei Xin Cun. You are calling it Huang Bei Ling because of the MTR stop near it.
This area has quieted down a lot, even before the CNY raid. But depending on the date and time, you could find some good-looking young girls. The area may have been raided recently, so the papasans may have been more cautious. They probably suspected you were an undercover cop. So they just ignored you.
A few months ago before CNY, a Putonghoa-speaking Caucasian bro, well-known and popular with the mamasans in this area, was unable to convince any girls to go to his apartment. They did not look happy when asked by this Caucasian bro. The mamasans were all smiling and encouraging, but the young girls did not even want to talk to the bro; only shaking their pretty little heads in decline.
At the same time, girls were going to the hotel with an Asian-looking bro, which was a distance away, requiring a taxi ride. I gathered at the time there was a feeling of xenophobic among the young girls. They would rather not do Caucasians.
I agree some of the freebies are just not sexy, good-looking enough worth the time, money and effort you put in. I would rather pay money for sex with good-looking young girls than wasting time with all the bullshit to have sex with mediocre civie girls.
Regardless of crackdowns, there will always sex for sale in different ways and different prices. I will PM you a few mamasan numbers to see what you can make out. Perhaps you should buy a compact HD camcorder and discreetly make some home-made porn. They were some of the most erotic sights and sounds to remember the girls by.
I ended up going around to two other places I totally forgot about: the BBSs behind the Golden Luohu also called the Huang Bei Ling BBSs.
The Huang Bei Ling BBSs used to be a good alternative to the Xiang Xi Cun BBSs, with a lively, though smaller, selection of gals on any given night. I think the area got somewhat less traffic than XXC so I always felt the girls, in general, were in less of a rush.
but not all, of the mamasans / papasans that ignored me, but the fact that it wasn't 100% just deepened the mystery. Anyway, after roaming through every alleyway, I estimate I saw 7-8 mamasans / papasans and only 2 showed me girls. The rooms were about what I remember, with florescent lights and the girl sitting on a ratty sofa...
Huan Bei Ling Cun ( 黄 贝 岭 村 ) is more than a Km from the Xiang Xi village, close to Yanhe Bei Lu. It was an extremely large village, but a lot of it has been bulldozed (perhaps all of it by now).
I had intended to visit when I felt brave enough and had a local bodyguard (LOL). So, I have never been there, but here is a super report about the 50 RMB short-time girls.
"If you get to the stone gate of the Huan bei ling cun, to the immediate left are a bunch of small shops that sell tubing, metal rods, and that type of construction material. These "dark alleys" are behind this area. Imagine the "catacombs" area in Changping but much more weird / scary / and almost pitch black. Picture narrow, claustrophobic, dank alleys with garbage blanketing the ground and random girls loitering around in front of their brick shacks, waiting for customers. There are plenty of guys of all ages / shapes / sizes floating around, too, trying to find a lady to fit their momentary whim. {S N I P} It's like choosing a KTV girl during prime time. Except in almost pitch black conditions in cramped, horror-movie conditions with lots of other dudes walking around.
Cheers
P.S. Hubei Xin Cun ( 湖 贝 新 村 ) is of course the village in front of the Golden Luohu Hotel, on the other side of Hubei Rd. I think Hubei Xin has never been as popular as Xiang Xi Cun with foreigners because the quality was not as good, and the girls would not go to hotels.
Superforce99
06-29-14, 04:32
Huan Bei Ling Cun ( 黄 贝 岭 村 ) is more than a Km from the Xiang Xi village, close to Yanhe Bei Lu. It was an extremely large village, but a lot of it has been bulldozed (perhaps all of it by now).
I had intended to visit when I felt brave enough and had a local bodyguard (LOL). So, I have never been there, but here is a super report about the 50 RMB short-time girls.
[I]"If you get to the stone gate of the Huan bei ling cun, to the immediate left are a bunch of small shops that sell tubing, metal rods, and that type of construction material...Hi Ikksman,
The funny thing is that report you quote is from me! Ha ha. I totally remember writing that report years ago after going to that place for the first time. I nicknamed it "Resident Evil" because, like that video game, something was always coming out of the shadows at you, whether it be girl, mamasan, or dudes searching for the first two. It was 50 RMB, but honestly, I would only do it for the thrill of a new discovery and not for pleasure because, it was pretty terrible in that regard. The area was located next to the "Walmart BBSs (not Fuxing Road Walmart)" that I wrote about in my previous report, so relatively far away from Hubei / Huang Bei BBSs. I also must have forgotten to mention, but the entire Resident Evil area is bulldozed over and nothing remains at all to even indicate what it used to be.
SF99
I ended up going around to two other places I totally forgot about: the BBSs behind the Golden Luohu also called the Huang Bei Ling BBSs and the BBSs in between Gangxia MTR station and Luohu MTR station, in the block past the Shangra La but not arriving at the Jin Guang Hua Mall; I'll call these the "Indian Restaurant BBSs" since that's the easiest landmark in that area. {S N I P}
I'd love to exchange thoughts / ideas / experiences with other members about this or other points.
Anyway, I hope this report helps to spread understanding and information about the current situation.
SF99Thanks for another great report.
Hope you did not mind me correcting you about Huan Bei Ling Cun (I could not message you as your contact has somehow disappeared from my WeChat).
The Indian Restaurant BBSs gave me some really great memories back in the days. With regard to GangXia, I have been there a few times (2011 and 2012) but it was just about dead even then. We would come out of the MTR exit on Shennan Ave (Exit B ?) and went pretty well straight into the village. But it is such a huge village, as shown on the chachaba map below, that one could walk around for hours and still miss the action. I think a big difference in these areas is that if you are non-Chinese looking, it is a lot harder to find action; Mamasans will just ignore you.
In an update about regular girl options, it's been relatively easy to get girls to reply to my messages and ads on various websites, but getting them into bed is taking a lot longer than I was planning.I agree that many of the girls from dating sites are normal girls with normal aspirations. I have used ChineseLoveLinks in the past with a fair amount of success, but I used to enjoy the challenges. I would communicate with a number of girls at the same time, so that I had girls in different stages of the chase (and I strictly limited the online chatting)! And I also accepted that I would be the educator in relation to sex, but actually I enjoyed that part of it!
Married women also advertise on these sites, and they are generally more sexually open compared to the young hopefuls! One women (a professional engineer) was extremely eager to meet me. When I had to cancel and re-schedule, she replied that she thought it because I thought her ugly. Then when I finally met her, she went totally wild in bed! She would meet me any time as her in-laws looked after the child. We even went to HK for a few days (at her expense) to attend an "Engineering Conference" (haha)!
I have not used any Chinese hosted sites like Jiayuan dot com (sp? But I suspect the results would be similar. Has anybody else used Chinese hosted dating sites?
I'd rather target sluttier / sexually open girls, but my methods only end up getting me normal Chinese girls. I'd love to exchange thoughts / ideas / experiences with other members about this or other points.Actually, in my experience, the most slutty / sexually open girls that I have met have been casual encounters. For example, a 20 yo girl I happened to sit next to on a bus from Huanggang Guan to Mongkok (she worked at a BonJour shop in HK) , a newly arrived stylish 30 ish girl (with her luggage) that I started chatting to on the street in Luohu, a girl who worked in a bag shop at Coco Park, and unforgettably, 2 girls I met in Lizhi Park (next to KingKey100)!
Cheers.
Asian Lover Oz
06-29-14, 14:26
Wow! Just back to Hkg and reliving my quick trip across the border to see what was on offer.
Had done a little bit of research but with the fluid situation over there wasn't sure what the outcome was going to be.
Back in the back of mind I kept saying this is damn China, it must be possible to find something there.
Horny Caucasian with minimal Mandarin and the results are as follows.
Was staying in Futian, I knew that's not really the right area, but had read reports about some freelances round the bars at Coco Park so had that in my mind as a backup.
1st stop the big 678 Spa across from the Sheraton.
Never been to one of these places, thought if I got a private room might at least get a HJ.
No deal, went through the whole process of choosing girl from the screen etc but in the room she was a bit older and frankly I didn't even try and not interested.
She gave an oil massage that got very close to my little bro but I just switched off and didn't let him rise.
No idea if possible to get anything more here, I'd say not much chance of young sweeet thing and extras at these type of places. Love to hear if you did manage anything at these spas.
Then headed out to Louhu station. Man what a stark difference to the nice clean and shining Futian area.
Just took a random exit as had no idea where I was going and then out into the blazing Shenzhen sun and humidity, shirt soaked.
Walked past the Shangri La and then and old lady approached. Young girl?
You bet you sweet ass I'll have one of them I was thinking, but stayed cool and kept walking. She followed, blabbing away in Mandarin but every sentence has "girl" in it.
To be continued.
Hi Ikksman,
The funny thing is that report you quote is from me! Ha ha. I totally remember writing that report years ago after going to that place for the first time. I nicknamed it "Resident Evil" because, like that video game, something was always coming out of the shadows at you, whether it be girl, mamasan, or dudes searching for the first two. It was 50 RMB, but honestly, I would only do it for the thrill of a new discovery and not for pleasure because, it was pretty terrible in that regard. The area was located next to the "Walmart BBSs (not Fuxing Road Walmart)" that I wrote about in my previous report, so relatively far away from Hubei / Huang Bei BBSs. I also must have forgotten to mention, but the entire Resident Evil area is bulldozed over and nothing remains at all to even indicate what it used to be.
SF99I did write that it was a super report. I wondered if anyone other than you would get the meaning! Haha.
I suspected that the area had been bulldozed by now.
Cheers.
Haha nice post, AL.
I like the "to be continued. " Yes, action around Shangri La, hit me up in PM if you want to meet up later this coming week. Dunno how long you staying in HK.
Wow! Just back to Hkg and reliving my quick trip across the border to see what was on offer.
Had done a little bit of research but with the fluid situation over there wasn't sure what the outcome was going to be.
Back in the back of mind I kept saying this is damn China, it must be possible to find something there.
Horny Caucasian with minimal Mandarin and the results are as follows.
Was staying in Futian, I knew that's not really the right area, but had read reports about some freelances round the bars at Coco Park so had that in my mind as a backup.
1st stop the big 678 Spa across from the Sheraton.
Never been to one of these places, thought if I got a private room might at least get a HJ.
No deal, went through the whole process of choosing girl from the screen etc but in the room she was a bit older and frankly I didn't even try and not interested.
She gave an oil massage that got very close to my little bro but I just switched off and didn't let him rise.
No idea if possible to get anything more here, I'd say not much chance of young sweeet thing and extras at these type of places. Love to hear if you did manage anything at these spas.
Then headed out to Louhu station. Man what a stark difference to the nice clean and shining Futian area.
Just took a random exit as had no idea where I was going and then out into the blazing Shenzhen sun and humidity, shirt soaked.
Walked past the Shangri La and then and old lady approached. Young girl?
You bet you sweet ass I'll have one of them I was thinking, but stayed cool and kept walking. She followed, blabbing away in Mandarin but every sentence has "girl" in it.
To be continued.
Wow! Just back to Hkg and reliving my quick trip across the border to see what was on offer.{S N I P}
1st stop the big 678 Spa across from the Sheraton {S N I P} 678 International Club reputedly offered a full range of (expensive) services prior to the CNY crackdown, but you needed good mandarin skills (not particularly foreigner friendly). Now? Probably "extras" only available to known VIP customers.
I personally have never been there.
Asian Lover Oz
06-30-14, 11:31
part 2 of the shenzhen adventure.
summary for the lazy. yes you can get laid.
details below.
well i decided to follow the old lady, passed the shang, turn right into a shopping arcade, turn left, turn right, turn right, into a block of apartments, my heart rates starts to increase. the sweat is building even more standing at the ground level waiting for what seemed like 30 minutes for the lift to arrive. it was probably 3 minutes, but he ground floor area slowly was building up with people waiting for the lift. and there's me standing there trying not to make eye contact when the door opens and the old mama waves me into the lift. up we go, 10,15,20,25,26 eventually getting out at 29 and into an apartment. mama seems happy that i followed her and she sits me down in what i can only describe as a very local style apartment. in fact it was pretty disgusting and only one of the room had a / see. so i go to that room and wait. some 5 minutes later a couple of girls peek into the room, but they are not really what i'm looking for, plus i really just what to get the hell out of there. mama pushes me back into the room and i attempt to tell her in my terrible mandarin that i only want an 18 yo hoping that either she would deliver one, or it would allow me an exit strategy.
wait a few more minutes then another girl arrives, sort of younger but too chubby. time to make my escape, but as i turn to go out of the door i realize she has another backup girl standing there waiting to come in. this one is very much more my type.
comes into the room for a closer inspection. wow, definitely interested in her. 18-20 yo almost perfect body size, wearing dress dress that showed off her pure white legs. ok what i dilemma, i really want the girl, but really do not want to stay there.
mama pushes me the calculator to ask me to name my price. i type in 100 and she accepts straight away. i thought for rm100 i would at least go for a bj and not worry about the sex. i open my wallet and pass her rm100 and suddenly ww3 is about to start. lots of angry face and raised voice, no idea what she was saying but i'm thinking she thought she was going to get us100 or something like that. anway, i calmed her down but then the negotiations started again, eventually we settled on rm250.
the girl comes back into the room and immediately strips off to reveal a totally amazing body. a tiny bit of baby fat, but oh so cute perfectly pink nipples on lovely set of almost be cups. she's quite happy and can see that i'm nervous as hell, she types on her phone and translates it into english. "don't worry, don't be scared it's alright". not shaved below, or under the arms but wow the heart rate is really pumping at the sight of this teen wonder. i asked her age and she says 19 and i don't doubt it for a second. i slowly take off my clothes and discard them onto the grotty floor, she grabs a condom and starts to place it on my now erect dick. i wanted bbbj and after some more translations and negotiations she agreed for an extra rm100. once she started, it was almost over within 5 seconds i was that excited and she didn't seem to respond to my pleas to slow down. had to pretty much grab her head a few times and move it away in order to savor the moment. i grabbed my phone to take a pic but my hands were shaking and the result is less than perfect and only allowed to take pic from behind via a mirror.
no kissing, but allowed me to nibble her neck and ears while she put back the dom and climbed aboard. surprisingly, no lube and no foreplay and the little boy went straight in without any sign of resistance but it was a nice snug fit.
you can guess, i didn't last long. blew an incredible load, filling half the condom i think. she took it off and looked at amazement how much there was. ushered me across the hallway into a "bathroom". no soap, so she improvised and washed my willy with toothpaste and a bit of a bucket. classy stuff to be had in these apartments! i wanted her again straight away but thought it would be better for her to come to the apartment later. got the number from her and headed back (with a small detour that i will write about later). i saw she had a messaging app on her phone, but when i got back to the hotel her number didn't come up in what's app and my phone doesn't have roaming to text her. i tried installing wechat but also failed on that front.
gutted, i headed out on the town to find a replacement.
part 3 coming.
Asian Lover Oz
06-30-14, 11:41
" Yes, action around Shangri La, hit me up in PM if you want to meet up later this coming week. Dunno how long you staying in HK.Yes, thanks for the offer, tried to PM but your inbox is full.
Asian Lover Oz
06-30-14, 15:17
Part 3 coming up tomorrow, but here's a pic of the grand occasion. Hope to get a better one next time.
Part 2 of the Shenzhen adventure.{S N I P}
No soap, so she improvised and washed my willy with toothpaste and a bit of a bucket. Classy stuff to be had in these apartments! {S N I P}Good one!
I see you encountered rural 21st Century TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine). Actually I am surprised she did not use before the BBBJ.
Cheers.
Asian Lover Oz
07-01-14, 01:02
Part 2+.
Before I get to part 3, there is an appendix to part 2. After doing the deed in the squalor of the apartment I went back outside to get my bearings and was approached by a number of other mummies that had seen me go up. At least 3 or 4 come up to me and asked "how much you pay old lady". I mostly ignored them but one had a bit more English and I told her she was mistaken and that it wasn't me, but must have been my brother. She thought about it for a minute and then said "ah, you joking me. Haha". I think basically they were trying to work out the competition price for a gwailo. Then, a guy come up same thing, how much you pay. I told him 200. He said he had hotel room much better than the apartments and better girls. So what else to do but follow him. 2 minutes walk and we were in another lift going up to a "hotel". I think it was some sort of love hotel. It certainly wasn't the Sheraton!
Anyway, he said he have to call the girls, I told him sorry mate I'm not hanging around and went to leave. He then said he had apartment with "many girls", also nearby. I thought, what the hell might as well have a look since I was already getting somewhat used to the environment by then.
All this is basically in the area to to the left of the Shangri La (if you are facing the entrance), so up we go to another local style apartment, this one was much better standard and I would have stayed, except he was only able to offer 3 girls and none of them were as good as the one I had just seen.
So I tried to go, and then the raised voices and waving arms start again. What is it with these people, so easy to get angry. Anyway I was quite brave by then so open the apartment door myself and walked out the lift and he followed and started in the typical Chinese loud voice saying I need to pay etc. Sorry buddy maybe tomorrow is better. Standing there in the lift area and other people from other apartments come out and must be wondering what is goin on, so I just smile and get in and go back to Futian.
What an afternoon.
Part 2+. Before I get to part 3, there is an appendix to part 2. After doing the deed in the squalor of the apartment I went back outside to get my bearings and was approached by a number of other mummies that had seen me go up. {S N I P} What an afternoon.My apologies for interrupting your excellent series of trip reports: my intent is not to rain upon your parade, and I hope that you continue to contribute your experiences.
I believe that the apartments behind the Shangri-La are quite dangerous for inexperienced non-Chinese; potentially injurious to your pocket, pride and health. Your experiences bear this belief out. The raised voices were to intimidate you. You were pretty brave!
The following extract is from a post of mine about the apartments:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?946-South-China-Shenzhen&p=1526339&viewfull=1#post1526339
I have referred to the apartments behind the Shangri-la as scam-ridden apartments. Many people (including experienced posters here) , have this opinion of the apartments. A Chinese friend of mine has a great deal of experience, and my opinion is largely based on his beliefs. Firstly, the services are aimed at new arrivals, particularly foreigners who do not speak Chinese and workers from HK. The quality and service is nearly always very poor. Apparently they usually try to upsell or add additional charges (like more money to take off clothes, perform BJ etc, or even mythical charges). If one refuses to pay the inflated prices, then yes, thugs are available.I would not recommend (and others should not recommend), non-Chinese to go to these apartments unless they are very experienced mongerers and speak fluent Mandarin.
Cheers.
P.S. I think the name of the building apartments complex is 德 兴 木 厦 which could be possibly translated as 'Moral Virtue' or 'Moral Desire' Mansions! Haha!
Actually, 木 厦 is commonly used as the suffix for building complex names (rather than mansions).
Asian Lover Oz
07-01-14, 12:50
I believe that the apartments behind the Shangri-La are quite dangerous for inexperienced non-Chinese; potentially injurious to your pocket, pride and health. Your experiences bear this belief out. The raised voices were to intimidate you. You were pretty brave!
The following extract is from a post of mine about the apartments:
Yes that could well be the case, I could see that it may be have been slightly dangerous, hence my rapid heart beat, but it was the only thing that I could find (or rather it found me).
Next time would probably try to find the same mama as I don't think she was dangerous, maybe stay in Shang and just go with her to choose one?
Would def not go to those places after dark, already scary enough.
My part 3 is coming up, but you will see there were slim pickings to be had this trip.
Asian Lover Oz
07-01-14, 13:20
part 3 - the final chapter.
back in the hotel room and realised that i had no way of contacting my afternoon lover, i headed out to the coco park around 7 pm. dropped by expats for a beer but nothing happening at that time. went for a bite and headed back to the hotel to search online for options. my previous stays in shanghai always resulted in meeting some guys out the front of the hotel who were able to supply the goodies. this time on the way back a old guy approached and shoved a card into my hand with the picture of an air hostess type uniform and a number. the guy spoke virtually no english so dealing with him was next to impossible. but decided to try anyway. i think we agreed on a rm500 price and i typed in my room number to his phone, went back and waited.
sure enough some 30 minutes later, ding dong on my hotel room door and a peeked through the little spy window to see a lady there. let her in, reasonably young but a little too heavy for my liking so sent her on the way with rm30 taxi fare. she wanted 100, but stood my ground and she left.
back to expats again, about 10 guys in there, no hint of any freelancer girl, so had another beer and walked around for a bit but couldn't find anything. out the front of the sheraton again another younger approached and offered to get an 18 yo. so i sat with him on the steps for around 40 minutes and eventually another average one turns up. send her on the way with no money. for god sake this is china, why so damn hard.
meet another guy with almost zero english and he through sign language he tells me to wait in the lobby for 30 minutes as it's too hot outside. he'll fetch another young one but the price is rm600 for her. i waited for 20 minutes then a stunner walks into the lobby. bingo!! she stands there in a lovely white dress in the middle of the lobby just looking around. i'm sitting on lounge so i think she hasn't seen me. i make a pass by her pretending to go the room expecting she would follow, but no. i go back and sit on the lounge and keep watching. security comes up and starts to talk to her, then she is still left standing there. so after about 5 more minutes of this i just brazenly walk up to her and said excuse me, are you looking for mr x? she shakes her head and i sheepishly retreat back outside to find my guy.
nowhere to be seen, it's close to 1 am, ridiculously humid and uncomfortable, time to call it quits for my shenzhen adventures and enjoy a nice sleep alone in the king bed.
Steven Jones
07-03-14, 13:54
Asian Lover Oz.
Thanks for the reports, the times seem to have really changed, SZ was one of my favourite places to play, but now it seems really dry.
As for the apartments, I've been to a couple, and they are seedy and dodgy looking, but isn't that part of the thrill! I suppose with those places it really is a judgementcall, what your gut tells you about the person leading you up. I did quite the treasure up there last time around.
Part 2+.
Before I get to part 3, there is an appendix to part 2. After doing the deed in the squalor of the apartment I went back outside to get my bearings and was approached by a number of other mummies that had seen me go up. At least 3 or 4 come up to me and asked "how much you pay old lady". I mostly ignored them but one had a bit more English and I told her she was mistaken and that it wasn't me, but must have been my brother. She thought about it for a minute and then said "ah, you joking me. Haha". I think basically they were trying to work out the competition price for a gwailo. Then, a guy come up same thing, how much you pay. I told him 200. He said he had hotel room much better than the apartments and better girls. So what else to do but follow him. 2 minutes walk and we were in another lift going up to a "hotel". I think it was some sort of love hotel. It certainly wasn't the Sheraton!..Good report, you have to understand Chinese mind to understand the yelling. When you follow the guy and he shows you the girls. In Chinese thinking you not choosing any girl is you stealing from him. Because mentally he already put your money in his pocket. I have have lady managers take me up to the apartments and if I don't pick. They literally block the door like a football player and refuse to let me leave. I would just tell them I will stay and the minute they get away from the door I am out of there. I now always judge the attitude of the tout before I go with them because I don't want any problems especially in another country.
I used to think Chinese and money were bad until I seen vietnamese in action. They take the anger over money to another level.
{S N I P} I saw she had a messaging app on her phone, but when I got back to the hotel her number didn't come up in what's app and my phone doesn't have roaming to text her. I tried installing wechat but also failed on that front.A couple of ideas on the messaging apps which hopefully may help you next time you venture over the border.
• Some HK mobile providers offer a "one card 2 number" SIM which gives you a China phone number and access to voice and SMS text services in SZ (no extra cost).
• WhatsApp does not seem very popular in SZ, but of course is very popular in HK.
• WhatsApp, in my experience does not always immediately find a specified international subscriber with WhatsApp (I have experienced failure, then suddenly a few days later up pops the person).
• WeChat should have downloaded OK over wi-fi in hotel, but as you didn't describe the failure, I can only hazard guesses for the cause.
• You should have no problems downloading WeChat in HK and therefore you could still contact your WG sweetie via WeChat.
Next time!
If you get wechat downloaded, try to search for her using her phone number both with and without the "+86" country prefix. I find accounts sometimes show up one or the other but not both.
A couple of ideas on the messaging apps which hopefully may help you next time you venture over the border.
Some HK mobile providers offer a "one card 2 number" SIM which gives you a China phone number and access to voice and SMS text services in SZ (no extra cost).
WhatsApp does not seem very popular in SZ, but of course is very popular in HK.
WhatsApp, in my experience does not always immediately find a specified international subscriber with WhatsApp (I have experienced failure, then suddenly a few days later up pops the person).
WeChat should have downloaded OK over wi-fi in hotel, but as you didn't describe the failure, I can only hazard guesses for the cause.
You should have no problems downloading WeChat in HK and therefore you could still contact your WG sweetie via WeChat.
Next time!
PukiMonster
07-07-14, 14:32
Does anybody know of action in ShuiBei Cun? It is near HongHu Park on Wenjin Rd cnr Shuibei 1st Rd. Is it recommended for Laowai, or, like much cun action only ok for Chinese or Asian guys with Mandarin skills?
PukiMonster
07-07-14, 14:48
Superforce99 reported significant action in XiangXi cun, and little action in the apartments behind Shangri La and no action in any of the other cuns. Yet posters here have been commenting on, and reporting on the action in the Shangri La area. Why haven't mongers been visiting XiangXi Cun? If the only real action is in XiangXi Cun then members here should not comment that Shenzhen has returned to anything like normal.
I would also like more detailed information of how to get to the areas of possible action in the bigger cuns, especially if the action is limited to after midnight. I have no desire to go wandering through a dozens of dark, narrow alleys in the middle of the night, with no idea of where I am going. No problem with XiangXi Cun because it is so tiny! But HubeiXin Cun and ShaTsui Cun and others are quite large and intimidating for a western guy!
Hi all,
Been reading the posts for years and they have been informative. Hoping someone can help with my request. Long story short but a good friend of mine who visits Shenzhen often has met a lady and they appear to be getting serious. Problem is, he has shared some info with me and I am sure she is a working girl or at the very least, working in a massage parlor. Seems pretty obvious to me, she appears in the on line adverts, promoting her service and her face is not hidden. Would anyone in Shenzhen be willing to help me out, I would give the info and pay for the session, just don't want to see my good friend get messed up because of this.
Thanks very much.
Hi all,
Been reading the posts for years and they have been informative. Hoping someone can help with my request. Long story short but a good friend of mine who visits Shenzhen often has met a lady and they appear to be getting serious. Problem is, he has shared some info with me and I am sure she is a working girl or at the very least, working in a massage parlor. Seems pretty obvious to me, she appears in the on line adverts, promoting her service and her face is not hidden. Would anyone in Shenzhen be willing to help me out, I would give the info and pay for the session, just don't want to see my good friend get messed up because of this.
Thanks very much.If your friend is aware that his gf works as a masseuse (whether independently or in a massage parlour), then anything you, I or others say is unlikely to have any effect. And you would probably lose a friend.
Cheers.
P.S. Check the photo using Tineye and Google Images and see what results!
There is plenty of action behind shangrila hotel. I decided to spend the day in the area and have a sexual bender, for lack of a better word. 2 in the morning and 2 sessions in the afternoon.
1. a chubby 20 year old with big boobs, nice attitude, and yes she gave a BJ. BJ is rare. 100.
2. a bad attitude early 20's. Close to 5 feet tall, small breasts. Wanted a big tip, hell no. 150.
3 & 4. Little bit of acne, but really hot 5' 4" early 20's. I fucked her twice. I was a little tired so I couldn't finish so I came back later and did it again. Hahah. 150 each time.
I had a weird rash on my leg now, I think it is flea bites or something.
I got #1 for 100 RMB by accident. Using sign language, I thought mama was asking me to take two girls. I just put up one finger. Later I figured out it was 100 or 200 RMB, so I got 100, my lowest price yet!
Have some pics of #2 will I will try to post if the uploads works OK.
I use google translator and the mama's are nice to me. Maybe I am just lucky.
I forgot to mention that I concluded the night with a freebie friend that is a former hotel massage girl.
I was so tired I was not sure I could perform. I didn't even try. So we just slept. Haha.
There is plenty of action behind shangrila hotel. I decided to spend the day in the area and have a sexual bender, for lack of a better word. 2 in the morning and 2 sessions in the afternoon.
1. a chubby 20 year old with big boobs, nice attitude, and yes she gave a BJ. BJ is rare. 100.
2. a bad attitude early 20's. Close to 5 feet tall, small breasts. Wanted a big tip, hell no. 150.
3 & 4. Little bit of acne, but really hot 5' 4" early 20's. I fucked her twice. I was a little tired so I couldn't finish so I came back later and did it again. Hahah. 150 each time.
I had a weird rash on my leg now, I think it is flea bites or something.
I got #1 for 100 RMB by accident. Using sign language, I thought mama was asking me to take two girls. I just put up one finger. Later I figured out it was 100 or 200 RMB, so I got 100, my lowest price yet!
Have some pics of #2 will I will try to post if the uploads works OK.
I use google translator and the mama's are nice to me. Maybe I am just lucky.
I agree with iksmann.
However I am not clear what help you want? You don't even have PM to send you a message. You want some guy to go to this girls massage place for a session? Doesn't make sense.
Hi all,
Been reading the posts for years and they have been informative. Hoping someone can help with my request. Long story short but a good friend of mine who visits Shenzhen often has met a lady and they appear to be getting serious. Problem is, he has shared some info with me and I am sure she is a working girl or at the very least, working in a massage parlor. Seems pretty obvious to me, she appears in the on line adverts, promoting her service and her face is not hidden. Would anyone in Shenzhen be willing to help me out, I would give the info and pay for the session, just don't want to see my good friend get messed up because of this.
Thanks very much.
Any bro's want to meet up, these days I am hanging out near Starbucks. Carianna Friendship Square / Ren Min Nan Road in SZ. 85 is a stone's throw away.
PM me. Plenty of hot pussy around so we can compare stories. Hahah.
I agree with iksmann.
However I am not clear what help you want? You don't even have PM to send you a message. You want some guy to go to this girls massage place for a session? Doesn't make sense.
StinkyFeet
07-09-14, 10:56
Any bro's want to meet up, these days I am hanging out near Starbucks. Carianna Friendship Square / Ren Min Nan Road in SZ. 85 is a stone's throw away.
PM me. Plenty of hot pussy around so we can compare stories. Hahah.Saturday night, perhaps I have time. Not sure, since it will be split with a weekend date.
Steven Jones
07-09-14, 19:42
Saturday night, perhaps I have time. Not sure, since it will be split with a weekend date.I'll be there this weekend, always looks for people to chill with.
Hi.
Well, as the title says I'm now living in SZ and will stay here a couple of years
I'm not much into brothels, MPs and streetwalkers-especially old SWs like in Sea World.
More into Sugarbaby types, I've been quite satisfied over the last couple of years with seekingarrangement.com but the website is quite dead in China.
Are there similar websites in China? Mostly looking for sugarbabies / semipro girls, not so shy that you need to waste much time dating them, but not so pro that they follow a program when having sex. Age 20 is fine.
Also I was with a SB date last night in Shekou and when going alone at the reception around 2 am (the girl claimed she didn't bring her I'd along, and would follow me inside after I got in the room, so she wouldn't need her I'd), 3 hotel receptionist in a row told me they were full.
Are there restrictions to rent rooms? Don't they want westerners to bring their late night pick ups?
Yet in the third hotel, as we stayed for a while with the girl outside, the receptionist / guard came out after a while and said they actually had a big room available, for 680 rmb, which actualy had the girl worried.
I read quickly about the crackdown but not sure of all consequences, unfortunately I can't bring girls to my house, anything I should know about hotels?
Also, how du you say BBBJ in mandarine and cantonese, it's basically the main action interested in with pro and if it's not in the program I really waste my time (and money).
Thanks.
Luis.
PS : how does one get vit V and C over here (or in Macau and HK) Is the regular doctor the only place to ask ? I don't mind generics but don't want to end up with fakes
Hm curious why you can't bring the gals to your house. Seems like it would be the most fun haha.
Vit V. You can get it at the pharmacy / drug stores without a prescription. Look for the logo on the pill. Single pills are not cheap, same as US prices. Most shops have posters of V inside the shop so you can point at it.
Hi.
Well, as the title says I'm now living in SZ and will stay here a couple of years
I'm not much into brothels, MPs and streetwalkers-especially old SWs like in Sea World.
More into Sugarbaby types, I've been quite satisfied over the last couple of years with seekingarrangement.com but the website is quite dead in China.
Are there similar websites in China? Mostly looking for sugarbabies / semipro girls, not so shy that you need to waste much time dating them, but not so pro that they follow a program when having sex. Age 20 is fine.
Also I was with a SB date last night in Shekou and when going alone at the reception around 2 am (the girl claimed she didn't bring her I'd along, and would follow me inside after I got in the room, so she wouldn't need her I'd), 3 hotel receptionist in a row told me they were full.
Are there restrictions to rent rooms? Don't they want westerners to bring their late night pick ups?
Yet in the third hotel, as we stayed for a while with the girl outside, the receptionist / guard came out after a while and said they actually had a big room available, for 680 rmb, which actualy had the girl worried.
I read quickly about the crackdown but not sure of all consequences, unfortunately I can't bring girls to my house, anything I should know about hotels?
Also, how du you say BBBJ in mandarine and cantonese, it's basically the main action interested in with pro and if it's not in the program I really waste my time (and money).
Thanks.
Luis.
PS : how does one get vit V and C over here (or in Macau and HK) Is the regular doctor the only place to ask ? I don't mind generics but don't want to end up with fakes
Cool.
I will be available I think. I need to check -- My former massage girl just surprised me and said she is coming over today, she sticks to me like glue so I am unsure how long she is staying before she goes to HK.
BTW, I found a real cutie in the apartments behind Jiabin road, she was GOING to come over tonight but. Now that massage girl is back over, everything is up in the air.
Finally, I have just about given up trying to upload photos. Trying again and they all fail. They aren't large but I cannot be bothered to resize them. WTF.
I'll be there this weekend, always looks for people to chill with.
Hm curious why you can't bring the gals to your house. Seems like it would be the most fun haha.
Vit V. You can get it at the pharmacy / drug stores without a prescription. Look for the logo on the pill. Single pills are not cheap, same as US prices. Most shops have posters of V inside the shop so you can point at it.Yes, home would be much more convenient but I'm not alone there. Miss back home where I invited the girls in the office, some of them just hung out there most of the day. Quite fun. Might end up renting a small flat in Or near Shekou if I find a reliable source of girls. Which is not the case yet.
And thanks for the tip about bit V, quite useful, are Cyalis also available?
Yeah Cialis is available too. Oh ok about someone at home, I figured as much hahah.
Personally I would be worried of getting the side effect of erect dick more than 4 hours and cannot imagine going to Chinese hospital to deal with that. Hahah.
I pissed off one freebie this week by fucking her too hard and trying for anal. Hahah. Boy she was mad. That was tattoo girl, I posted doggy style photos before. She had confirmed she was up for anal but. I guess trying it gave her second thoughts.
Yes, home would be much more convenient but I'm not alone there. Miss back home where I invited the girls in the office, some of them just hung out there most of the day. Quite fun. Might end up renting a small flat in Or near Shekou if I find a reliable source of girls. Which is not the case yet.
And thanks for the tip about bit V, quite useful, are Cyalis also available?
Steven Jones
07-11-14, 05:35
Cool.
I will be available I think. I need to check -- My former massage girl just surprised me and said she is coming over today, she sticks to me like glue so I am unsure how long she is staying before she goes to HK.
BTW, I found a real cutie in the apartments behind Jiabin road, she was GOING to come over tonight but. Now that massage girl is back over, everything is up in the air.
Finally, I have just about given up trying to upload photos. Trying again and they all fail. They aren't large but I cannot be bothered to resize them. WTF.Nice, looks like you may have your hands full! If not, I'll give you a shout when I'm in SZ and we can meet, grab a drink and watch the football. Then have some fun!
Steven Jones
07-13-14, 13:30
Cool.
I will be available I think. I need to check -- My former massage girl just surprised me and said she is coming over today, she sticks to me like glue so I am unsure how long she is staying before she goes to HK.
BTW, I found a real cutie in the apartments behind Jiabin road, she was GOING to come over tonight but. Now that massage girl is back over, everything is up in the air.
Finally, I have just about given up trying to upload photos. Trying again and they all fail. They aren't large but I cannot be bothered to resize them. WTF.Tried sending you a PM but your inbox is full. I've got to SZ today and let me know if you are free to meet for a drink.
Offer is all open to all, if anyone wants to meet for a drink in SZ tonight, drop me a line.
Asian Lover Oz
07-14-14, 14:50
Made an impromptu day trip over the weekend. Original plan was to try for some extras at Queens Spa or the WaterCube, but it really sounded like it was going to more miss than hit so looked for other options. Saw on another forum that Perthden hotel might have some action, so I actually added them on wechat. They we really responsive and told me that they would be having some 18-19 yo beauties ready for me when I got there. The have a 4 tier pricing system, the only 2 I recall are "318" and "368" I think. 318 is BBBJ and HJ and 368 is BBBJ CIM. They supposedly do not offer FS there. They told me on wechat only 318 "green" is available, so I thought that would be at least better then maybe getting a HJ at one of the big spas.
Anyway easy crossing on a Sunday morning, but I should have known better that 10 am on a Sunday is not going to give you too many girls. Perthden were welcoming but would not show me any girls to choose, but the locker boy smiled when I asked only to send an 18 or 19 yo. Taken up to a pretty average room and waited, and waited, and waited. Eventually a 30+ very average one turned up. Rejected her. The guy basically indicated all the others were sleeping. I told him again only young and slim or else I'm going to eat and come back later. Eventually another turned up. Not exactly my type, but went with the flow as the price was pretty decent. It was then I said I only want HJ, so it turned into a "268" or something like like. Anyway, she said she was 24 - looked a few years older to me, but the boobs were awesome, soft lovely size see, nice change from usual spinner A cup types. Half decent massage and flipped over. Pushed her head down to see if she would do BJ anyway, she said "318". Ok fuck it, why not. Let her go at it and she was damn good. Great technique, deep and allowed different positions. Prob a good 15 minutes before I decided to let her a reward with a super CIM. She took it like a trooper, kept going but also trying not to gag at the same time. Huge load, great job.
Gave her a $100 tip and moved onto my next session.
2nd session. Headed back to Shang apartments as I was hoping I could find my girl from last time.
Went up to a room, saw about 4 girls in the one apartment. One was absolutely teen dream style. But she said she was 20. Amazing white porcelain skin, unfortunately she had a bit of an attitude and it was done and dusted in about 10 minutes.
Paid RM300 as I couldn't be bothered to argue over a couple of dollars.
Walked around the Dongmen area, amazing talent on display. Girls everywhere to be seen, most wearing Kylie Minouge short hot pants!. Pity I don't have any street pickup skills it would be a paradise to play in there. Maybe try that next time if I have a hotel nearby, but my 20 words of Mandarin prob not enough to score a win. I should be so lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky.
Made an impromptu day trip over the weekend. Original plan was to try for some extras at Queens Spa or the WaterCube, but it really sounded like it was going to more miss than hit so looked for other options. Saw on another forum that Perthden hotel might have some action, so I actually added them on wechat. They we really responsive and told me that they would be having some 18-19 yo beauties ready for me when I got there. The have a 4 tier pricing system, the only 2 I recall are "318" and "368" I think. 318 is BBBJ and HJ and 368 is BBBJ CIM. They supposedly do not offer FS there. They told me on wechat only 318 "green" is available, so I thought that would be at least better then maybe getting a HJ at one of the big spas. {S N I P}
Walked around the Dongmen area, amazing talent on display. Girls everywhere to be seen, most wearing Kylie Minouge short hot pants!. Pity I don't have any street pickup skills it would be a paradise to play in there. Maybe try that next time if I have a hotel nearby, but my 20 words of Mandarin prob not enough to score a win. I should be so lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky.I doubt that they would admit to FS availability on Wechat or even at the Sauna reception. Even so, the girl may have been open to negotiations for FS as she openly gave you BBBJ with CIM and you were in a private room.
Maybe if you revisit (later in the afternoon / evening) there will be more girls, and services may be different. The hotel used to openly advertise FS on their website! the girls were not full time employees of the hotel's sauna business, but shared amongst a number of places. They modified their website shortly after the crackdown. If you are a VIP member there, the rooms are quite nice (and services offered may also be different).
Wandering around Dongmen, did you venture into the Xiang Xi Cun? The WG quality there is normally higher than places close to the main train station.
Even tho' you cannot speak Mandarin, it is quite possible to pick up girls on the street and be very lucky, lucky, lucky! I find I need to be aware of girls who appear to fleetingly show interest in you, and who then responds slightly to your shy smile. There are so many girls, it won't take long to achieve success. Ask her to go to Starbucks or similar where you can use your translator. Have some standard questions and statement stored on it. And even 'accidentally' show her some slightly risque stored ones. Can be fun! Even if there are 2 girls together, you can always get phone numbers for your next visit.
BTW this technique never seems to work for me in HK (unless of course Flip or Indo). The HK girls are more sophisticated and a wake up to us foreigners!
Cheers.
Asian Lover Oz
07-15-14, 11:28
Wandering around Dongmen, did you venture into the Xiang Xi Cun?
Cheers.Unfortunately, no. I knew there was some action around Dongmen, but I walked around without a map and just couldn't find anything other than shops, shops, shops and girls in hot pants.
Like I said, very impromptu visit. Next time will plan better.
Just arrived in Shenzhen today after some business meetings in HK, as soon as I got out from the LoWu station it didn't last long and I was approached by some older ladies promoting "massage" , "sexy sexy" and running after me.
After a taking my room in the Shangri-La I went out to check out the situation and I can say that it is getting lively again.
I just checked the main alleys behind the Shangri-La up until the intersection with Jiabin Rd.
I was offered girls to take back to the hotel for 2 hrs for 600 Rmb or 900 for all night, don't know how much the informations are trustable) can anyone confirm that type of prices? But one of the pimps even gave me his cell. Phone number when I said I wouldn't have time tonight but would be happy to make a test tomorrow morning.
I ended up going to one of the apts. Behind the Shang where I offered 100 to the mamasan, she actually accepted and then started haggling in the room after I choose a 20 years old girl from Qingdao.
I ended up having 150 and it was fully worth it, the girl has had a baby therefore has a little baby fat and slightly sagging titties with big areolas, she gave very good service (if you don't mid the Chinese flats.) and got really wet and moaned naturally.
Before getting back to the hotel I went on the esplanade in front of the Railway station (between LoWu and the Shangri-La) and was approached by more women offering girls.
Then I was observating that some of them wait for possible customers and possible new talents to be employed at the same time, they just wait close to the exit of the railways station and every now and then there is a young girl coming out the station with a "lost" look, the mama sans immediately approach them.
I was also considering doing the same and maybe offer a bed to stay for the first night in town (you never know.) but unfortunately I had to go back to my room for a conference call.
Asian Lover Oz
07-16-14, 23:41
I ended up having 150 and it was fully worth it.Good work, don't know how you can get them to agree to that. The 2 times I tried I couldn't get anywhere near that.
Yes taking a girl back to the hotel next time would be my preference as well, as the apartments are pretty disgusting.
Just arrived in Shenzhen today after some business meetings in HK, as soon as I got out from the LoWu station it didn't last long and I was approached by some older ladies promoting "massage" , "sexy sexy" and running after me.
After a taking my room in the Shangri-La I went out to check out the situation and I can say that it is getting lively again.
I just checked the main alleys behind the Shangri-La up until the intersection with Jiabin Rd.
I was offered girls to take back to the hotel for 2 hrs for 600 Rmb or 900 for all night, don't know how much the informations are trustable) can anyone confirm that type of prices? But one of the pimps even gave me his cell. Phone number when I said I wouldn't have time tonight but would be happy to make a test tomorrow morning.
I ended up going to one of the apts. Behind the Shang where I offered 100 to the mamasan, she actually accepted and then started haggling in the room after I choose a 20 years old girl from Qingdao.
I ended up having 150 and it was fully worth it, the girl has had a baby therefore has a little baby fat and slightly sagging titties with big areolas, she gave very good service (if you don't mid the Chinese flats.) and got really wet and moaned naturally..Magimbe,
Excellent post! Great to know the action is coming back. Forget about the 600 and 900 offers. Usually the managers just tell you anything to get you to pay. If you paid the 900 the girl would still be ready to leave after two hours or after you cum. Which ever comes first. 150 is excellent deal for short time. I usually pay 200 short time. 100 for manager and 100 for the girl. If the girl is not living in the managers home. I get her apartment number and just pick her up the next time I want to see her and only pay 100. You need to be able to speak Mandarin to pull that off though.
I am going to shoot for an asia trip this October. Shen zhen, then Bangkok to vietnam. Vietnam is if I don't spend to much in China and Thailand. Can't wait. Hopefully by then Shenzhen will be back to normal.
Good work, don't know how you can get them to agree to that. The 2 times I tried I couldn't get anywhere near that.
Yes taking a girl back to the hotel next time would be my preference as well, as the apartments are pretty disgusting.This morning I made another "tour" and tried one of the places near the Indian Restaurant in one of the back alleys before Jiabin Rd. , I offered 150 to the mamasan, she accepted on the road and once in the apartment she tired again to make a story, but after a minute she accepted.
She called the girl (at least 1,70 , about 24 years, nice body) and I saw how they splitter the money, 50 for the mamas an, 100 for the girl, then the girl gave another 10 back to mamasan, so basically 90 for the girl I guess.
This girl was a professional, she was very experienced with BJ and could ride as a champ. She didn't understand one single word of English, but there was absolutely no problem.
By the time I left more girls had arrived at the apartment, a total of 7 and I would say they were all nice and with good bodies (ages up to 24 years) , being the apartment small (typical chines flat) they were very squeezed on the 2 couches.
If you don't mind the Chinese apartment "flair" it's a good choice!
Steven Jones
07-17-14, 15:38
So I finally got back to SZ after a few years and things have changed, the old places I knew and contacts have all gone, but thankfully replaced by some fun new ones.
I was staying in LaoHu and in the evenings this place really comes to life, from the sea food street down past the Sunshine Hotel has a lot of action. Lots of good looking women standing around touting for action. They are aged from the mid 20's to the late 30's but are all very well presented. They start at 500 but you can get them for 200 in your room for a single shot.
The apartments behind the Shangrila hotel, as mentioned by Magimbe is teeming with action, you don't even have to walk into the alley before you get accosted. But here the talent is very hit and miss. As are the prices. I've been quoted 800 and agreed on 150, until I saw the fat old women working there, so walked out. The other two times were better, with hot 20 somethings. Though one was 180 and the other 200. The quality does vary, and don't be afraid to say no and walk out if you don't like what you see.
Finally the massage parlours, the one I used to go do was good, clean and very discreet. Nothing was on offer but a very good massage, but you could, with the right woman get a little extra. Now it has all changed, I was explicitly asked if I wanted a BJ or a hand job. BJ was 298 and the HJ was 268. I don't think there was a legit option. I chose a short, pert late 20's woman with fantastic arse and tits. And though the massage was initially short, and she jumped right onto the HJ, which became a tit wank, she did finish off the massage after I had shot my load. This parlour is opposite the Loushun hotel, and the stairs up are situated between a fruit seller and a 7-11 type shop.
{S N I P} I was offered girls to take back to the hotel for 2 hrs for 600 Rmb or 900 for all night, don't know how much the informations are trustable) can anyone confirm that type of prices? But one of the pimps even gave me his cell. Phone number {S N I P}I can confirm the pricing. They are fairly typical Luohu starting prices quoted to foreigners, maybe 100 more than I used to be offered (but the Mamasans could tell I was not a newbie, and many had seen me before). Price negotiations are expected.
Depending upon the time of day, demand and supply, and negotiating skills etc, the price for take-out to hotel should be able to be negotiated to between 200 to 400 RMB.
I would suggest that LT is negotiated directly with the girl. Pricing often depends on the expectations of the girl to win further ST business that night. I don't think that many WGs from that area ever get taken LT. The business is oriented towards ST only.
BTW, in my experience, the Shangri La does not mind well-dressed WGs entering the hotel, but does not like lesser-dressed WGs from the nearby apartments coming and going. They may stop the girl entering. A girl at reception told me this when I was chatting to her.
Cheers.
P.S. I still do not understand the pre-occupation with the 'scam-ridden' apartments behind the Shangri La. IMO, Xiang Xi Cun has much nicer girls on average.
Depending upon the time of day, demand and supply, and negotiating skills etc, the price for take-out to hotel should be able to be negotiated to between 200 to 400 RMB.What would you consider the cheapest time of the day? Afternoon?
I also have another question, once you know where the flats are, what happens if you show up directly without any mamasan / tout taking you up to the apartments from the street? Maybe you just save the mamasan's commission?
I have been just offered 1.000 for 2 hours and 1.500 for the night from a Philipina advertising on Craigslist.
Steven Jones
07-18-14, 11:58
I can confirm the pricing. They are fairly typical Luohu starting prices quoted to foreigners, maybe 100 more than I used to be offered (but the Mamasans could tell I was not a newbie, and many had seen me before). Price negotiations are expected.
Depending upon the time of day, demand and supply, and negotiating skills etc, the price for take-out to hotel should be able to be negotiated to between 200 to 400 RMB.
I would suggest that LT is negotiated directly with the girl. Pricing often depends on the expectations of the girl to win further ST business that night. I don't think that many WGs from that area ever get taken LT. The business is oriented towards ST only.
BTW, in my experience, the Shangri La does not mind well-dressed WGs entering the hotel, but does not like lesser-dressed WGs from the nearby apartments coming and going. They may stop the girl entering. A girl at reception told me this when I was chatting to her.
Cheers.
P.S. I still do not understand the pre-occupation with the 'scam-ridden' apartments behind the Shangri La. IMO, Xiang Xi Cun has much nicer girls on average.Where is this Xiang Xi Cun? I know you posted directions and photos, but I can't seem to find that post.
Sorry. I didn't realize it was full. It has been at 200 limit message for some time but I cleared it out. Let's connect next time yeah!
I've also been meaning to write about perthden. Their massage menu is hilarious. It is laminated and you can get massage with.
"mouth burst. " hahah. That seems like BJ I think. Anyway it was the top (highest price) of the menu.
I wanted to take a menu photo but didn't. I left.
LOL. BTW, my sort of GF was a massage girl at perthden last year, but she is now legit.
Tried sending you a PM but your inbox is full. I've got to SZ today and let me know if you are free to meet for a drink.
Offer is all open to all, if anyone wants to meet for a drink in SZ tonight, drop me a line.
Where is this Xiang Xi Cun? I know you posted directions and photos, but I can't seem to find that post.Use Google maps to locate Panglin Hotel. However, be aware it is notoriously inaccurate and confusing, and you are just as likely to find that parts of Luohu are in HK, or at least in the middle of the mud pool separating the two. Or, you can try and follow my directions below for travel via subway or taxi.
Subway
Go to Guomao MTR and exit to Jiabin Rd via Exit be. If you can see a rail overpass (and Petrel Hotel), you are facing the wrong way. Walk 2 blocks (east) along Jiabin Rd until you reach the Panglin Hotel. It is a distinctive landmark (see a photo below taken from apartments next to Perthden Hotel / Shenzhen station).
Taxi
Ask taxi driver to take you to the Panglin Hotel.
Luóhú, Jiābīn Lù, Péngnián Jiǔdiàn
If he is still totally confused after your pathetic attempts at pronunciation (LOL), try saying:
Yáng Guāng Jiǔdiàn (Sunshine Hotel. On the same intersection as Panglin).
Eventually he will understand you!!
You could try and get hotel reception to write address for you, or print this out:
罗 湖 , 嘉 宾 路 , 彭 年 酒 店
Luóhú, Jiābīn Lù, Péngnián Jiǔdiàn
XiangXiCun
Standing on Jiabin Rd with the Panglin Hotel on your left and the Sunshine Hotel on your right (the name is written in English), advance along Jiabin Rd about 100 m, until you see a big green and white hospital sign on your right (Nanhu Community Hospital?
On your left will be a small street blocked to cars with 3 or 4 thick bollards. This is the entry to the village. Ignore any touts in the street. Enter the small alleys on the right hand side (pass 2 or 3 first to save time) and you are in ground zero.
Happy hunting!
What would you consider the cheapest time of the day? Afternoon?
I also have another question, once you know where the flats are, what happens if you show up directly without any mamasan / tout taking you up to the apartments from the street? Maybe you just save the mamasan's commission?
I have been just offered 1.000 for 2 hours and 1.500 for the night from a Philipina advertising on Craigslist.On average I think that weekdays / evenings are the best times to negotiate the lowest prices. Other variables include whether or not there is a crackdown in progress and the proximity of national holidays.
WRT to time of day, afternoon / early evening seems ok. Between 8:00 pm - 12:00 pm is sometimes OK. Often very quiet because of LE activity. I have no experience after midnight as I am usually in bed buy that time (with company of course). I have even walked through Luohu Cun at 8:30 in the morning, and seen touts still offering girls!
I very strongly recommend against going to apartments by yourself Could be dangerous to your health. Girls generally live elsewhere.
I do recommend getting phone numbers of girls and contacting them by SMS or Weixin.
Cheers.
Asian Lover Oz
07-19-14, 08:37
On your left will be a small street blocked to cars with 3 or 4 thick bollards. This is the entry to the village. Ignore any touts in the street. Enter the small alleys on the right hand side (pass 2 or 3 first to save time) and you are in ground zero.
Happy hunting!Thanks for the instructions, will attempt to try it out this weekend.
Just booked at Panglin so hope they are girl friendly.
OldAsiaHand
07-20-14, 03:55
I believe where you describe is known to us old timers as Seibu BBS. Is the Seibu Department Store still there on the corner? It has been awhile since I have mongered there but I do remember the area with fond memories. In the day, it used to be wide open with girls hanging out of the shops. Last time I was there, most of the shops were closed but there were plenty of touts around selling their wares albeit at higher prices to include their margin. Is it worth a visit now? How does it work?
Just my POV.
OAH.
XiangXiCun
Standing on Jiabin Rd with the Panglin Hotel on your left and the Sunshine Hotel on your right (the name is written in English), advance along Jiabin Rd about 100 m, until you see a big green and white hospital sign on your right (Nanhu Community Hospital?
On your left will be a small street blocked to cars with 3 or 4 thick bollards. This is the entry to the village. Ignore any touts in the street. Enter the small alleys on the right hand side (pass 2 or 3 first to save time) and you are in ground zero.
Happy hunting!
Asian Lover Oz
07-20-14, 04:52
Saturday night, trying to follow the instructions to XiangXiCun, but it's Where the Streets Have No names. Walking around it felt like A Sort of Homecoming when I finally found the Red Light.
I was wondering If God Will Send his Angels to me, but alas it seems I was Invisible to the few mummies that were there. Must have thought I was The Fool. Clearly it was The First Time for me but I did climb a couple of stairs to a higher Elevation where mummy went first and I said I Will Follow.
Into the small room I saw Grace and Gloria, but they said I'm Not Your Baby. Desire was strong and loins on Fire, but tonight I was not the Fortunate Son.
Queens Spa, was not the Miracle Drug either. That place must work in Mysterious Ways that I can't figure out.
Back to hotel, Jesus Christ, a mummy and a mobile phone, Magnificent. Knock, knock, open door, I was thinking Is That All. She wasn't the Sweetest Thing, nor Miss Sarajevo but also no Lemon, so it was more a Moment of Surrender.
On to the show, no Everlasting Love this time, Gone.
Back to Hkg, I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For. Might hit Wan Chai. Even Better Than The Real Thing sometimes.
Love to hear your translations of the night.
Steven Jones
07-20-14, 10:00
Use Google maps to locate Panglin Hotel. However, be aware it is notoriously inaccurate and confusing, and you are just as likely to find that parts of Luohu are in HK, or at least in the middle of the mud pool separating the two. Or, you can try and follow my directions below for travel via subway or taxi.
Subway
Go to Guomao MTR and exit to Jiabin Rd via Exit be. If you can see a rail overpass (and Petrel Hotel), you are facing the wrong way. Walk 2 blocks (east) along Jiabin Rd until you reach the Panglin Hotel. It is a distinctive landmark (see a photo below taken from apartments next to Perthden Hotel / Shenzhen station).
Taxi
Ask taxi driver to take you to the Panglin Hotel.
Luh, Jiābīn L, Pngnin Jiǔdin
If he is still totally confused after your pathetic attempts at pronunciation (LOL), try saying:
Yng Guāng Jiǔdin (Sunshine Hotel. On the same intersection as Panglin).
Eventually he will understand you!!
You could try and get hotel reception to write address for you, or print this out:
罗 湖 , 嘉 宾 路 , 彭 年 酒 店
Luh, Jiābīn L, Pngnin Jiǔdin
XiangXiCun
Standing on Jiabin Rd with the Panglin Hotel on your left and the Sunshine Hotel on your right (the name is written in English), advance along Jiabin Rd about 100 m, until you see a big green and white hospital sign on your right (Nanhu Community Hospital?
On your left will be a small street blocked to cars with 3 or 4 thick bollards. This is the entry to the village. Ignore any touts in the street. Enter the small alleys on the right hand side (pass 2 or 3 first to save time) and you are in ground zero.
Happy hunting!I know that corner, with the Sunshine hotel, a decent sized fountain out front. It was around there I encountered a few milfy streetwalkers. I'll follow your directions and hopfully find this place.
Steven Jones
07-20-14, 10:03
I believe where you describe is known to us old timers as Seibu BBS. Is the Seibu Department Store still there on the corner? It has been awhile since I have mongered there but I do remember the area with fond memories. In the day, it used to be wide open with girls hanging out of the shops. Last time I was there, most of the shops were closed but there were plenty of touts around selling their wares albeit at higher prices to include their margin. Is it worth a visit now? How does it work?
Just my POV.
OAH.I think that has been knocked down, as I was using that as my land mark, but there just appears to be construction work. If it is the old Seibu place, then it is good quality girls there!
Steven Jones
07-20-14, 10:05
Sorry. I didn't realize it was full. It has been at 200 limit message for some time but I cleared it out. Let's connect next time yeah!
I've also been meaning to write about perthden. Their massage menu is hilarious. It is laminated and you can get massage with.
"mouth burst. " hahah. That seems like BJ I think. Anyway it was the top (highest price) of the menu.
I wanted to take a menu photo but didn't. I left.
LOL. BTW, my sort of GF was a massage girl at perthden last year, but she is now legit.I maybe there Wednesday night, I will let you know!
Hope you had a good time with your sort of gf.
I believe where you describe is known to us old timers as Seibu BBS. Is the Seibu Department Store still there on the corner? It has been awhile since I have mongered there but I do remember the area with fond memories. In the day, it used to be wide open with girls hanging out of the shops. Last time I was there, most of the shops were closed but there were plenty of touts around selling their wares albeit at higher prices to include their margin. Is it worth a visit now? How does it work?
Just my POV.
OAH.OAH, I am not sure if you are just joshing me! I am pretty sure that you know that the Seibu Department Store closed in either 2009 or 2010, and that the Cun shops (the Seibu BBS) were mostly closed by the end or 2010. Apparently they never re-opened in numbers after a big crackdown around that time. Surely you have driven around that area since 2010!
I have posted here a number of times that I am mainly a freebie fan, and am not a frequent P4 Per. I have been to the village maybe 20 times and participated about 8 times over about 4 years.
The first time I visited XiangXiCun was, I think, late 2010 and at that time there were a few shops open, but no girls hanging out of them (rather subdued actually). I am unaware if there was activity in other parts of the village that have since been knocked down. The last time that I was there was before CNY this year. I have recently been tied up in relationships and travel commitments.
A few years ago, there were times when numbers of SYTs (maybe 15 or so) have been in the alleys in the afternoons, but none in the evening, between say 8-12 (maybe more in the early morning). During the afternoons they often sat at the intersections of the very dark alleys. But mostly papas and some mamas were there to take you to see the girls. A few times the girls were in shops behind closed doors, but mostly, up the stairs. A few times there were 3 or 4 girls in the rooms. If you rejected them all, then you would have to go down to the alleys again. No more were brought to you in the room!
As a foreigner, they usually asked 300ST and 500 back at your hotel. Usually negotiated to half those prices. I never had much luck trying to negotiate BBJ etc, even when I was able to communicate in tortured Chinese. Quality was always a bit hit or miss, but IMO generally much better than the other well known haunts talked about here.
Is it worth it? Up to you! But it is the only place that I know where you can readily get takeout.
My final point is that I believe that activity in the village goes up and down quite dramatically depending on the frequency and severity of LE attention.
Cheers.
Yes PM me.
Yes I had fun wi / my sort of gf, she is really really nice. And she has great skills since she used to be massage girl. So can't really lose, right? She only worked at Perthden for a few months and then quit. Heard some interesting stories, but now it's just a "mouth burst" place.
I maybe there Wednesday night, I will let you know!
Hope you had a good time with your sort of gf.
My final point is that I believe that activity in the village goes up and down quite dramatically depending on the frequency and severity of LE attention.I visited Xiang Xi Cun last night, there is a lot of girls around and the quality is really good, the problem is that they are not approaching you as a foreigner and I guess the speak zero English, I saw some real good ones I would rate them as 7's or 8's.
They are moving all the time in the back alleys, going back and forward and in circles, there is surveillance cameras on the streets, I saw that they take the interested customers in some more secluded corner to negotiate.
I could not really make contact with the ones I was interested in so I got back to the more "touristic" RLD near the Shangri-La and got a girl back to my hotel for 400 Rmb for 2 hrs after discussing the price for a while.
Girl was a 6 , she gave did her best, but sent her back after 1,5 hrs and 2,5 pops.
And called it a night.
Steven Jones
07-22-14, 13:21
Yes PM me.
Yes I had fun wi / my sort of gf, she is really really nice. And she has great skills since she used to be massage girl. So can't really lose, right? She only worked at Perthden for a few months and then quit. Heard some interesting stories, but now it's just a "mouth burst" place.Heh, nice. Maybe we can share stories over a drink. If not on Wednesday then on Thursday.
SJ.
I visited Xiang Xi Cun last night, there is a lot of girls around and the quality is really good, the problem is that they are not approaching you as a foreigner and I guess the speak zero English, I saw some real good ones I would rate them as 7's or 8's.
They are moving all the time in the back alleys, going back and forward and in circles, there is surveillance cameras on the streets, I saw that they take the interested customers in some more secluded corner to negotiate.
I could not really make contact with the ones I was interested in so I got back to the more "touristic" RLD near the Shangri-La and got a girl back to my hotel for 400 Rmb for 2 hrs after discussing the price for a while.
Girl was a 6 , she gave did her best, but sent her back after 1,5 hrs and 2,5 pops.
And called it a night.Thanks for the report. Interesting that the girls are out in the open and moving around. Did you recognise Mamas and Papas?
I sincerely suggest you learn a few Chinese words and phrases (from the thread of the same name here).
Surveillance is becoming ever more pervasive in China. Maybe the girls have learnt that there is surveillance software that alerts operators when individuals, or groups of people, linger in one spot too long One of many automatic recognition functions available these days (others include people entering specific areas or zones, leaving objects unattended, violent acts, gunshot detection, tracking specific persons, etc etc).
I return home to SZ next week and I will visit XXC to see the changes.
Cheers.
StinkyFeet
07-24-14, 06:13
Police still roam but the girls just hide inside the apartments and the business changes. Just need to go inside the scary buildings to see the girls (5-7's). Lots of HK mongers there. Quality is suprisingly good. Service is hit or miss but the first girl that I selected, the service was very very good. Sans the CBJ, everything was awesome. Anybody recommend any KTV's in shenzhen, I proweled around and wasn't happy with the prices at this one place. Diamond KTV. Small room is 2000 rmb. Girls prices are 600/3000/5000. At 5000 its completely unaffordable for me. Also, difficult to even think about spending that cash when there are fukable girls for only 150 rmb that is only a 7 minute walk away. Diamond girls have a lot of plastic surgery ranging from 6-9's (I saw two 9's that night).
Steven Jones
07-24-14, 16:22
Police still roam but the girls just hide inside the apartments and the business changes. Just need to go inside the scary buildings to see the girls (5-7's). Lots of HK mongers there. Quality is suprisingly good. Service is hit or miss but the first girl that I selected, the service was very very good. Sans the CBJ, everything was awesome. Anybody recommend any KTV's in shenzhen, I proweled around and wasn't happy with the prices at this one place. Diamond KTV. Small room is 2000 rmb. Girls prices are 600/3000/5000. At 5000 its completely unaffordable for me. Also, difficult to even think about spending that cash when there are fukable girls for only 150 rmb that is only a 7 minute walk away. Diamond girls have a lot of plastic surgery ranging from 6-9's (I saw two 9's that night).I found the place but it was very quiet, walked around for a bit and saw a couple of guys and 4 girls. I said Hello, but no response. I'll try again later.
LOL. The buildings are not so scary, that's just my opinion. Be confident but mindful of your surroundings. Many of these girls are not trustworthy, but sometimes you meet some really nice gems.
KTV prices, ugh, that 5000 price is nuts. Totally agree with you.
Police still roam but the girls just hide inside the apartments and the business changes. Just need to go inside the scary buildings to see the girls (5-7's). Lots of HK mongers there. Quality is suprisingly good. Service is hit or miss but the first girl that I selected, the service was very very good. Sans the CBJ, everything was awesome. Anybody recommend any KTV's in shenzhen, I proweled around and wasn't happy with the prices at this one place. Diamond KTV. Small room is 2000 rmb. Girls prices are 600/3000/5000. At 5000 its completely unaffordable for me. Also, difficult to even think about spending that cash when there are fukable girls for only 150 rmb that is only a 7 minute walk away. Diamond girls have a lot of plastic surgery ranging from 6-9's (I saw two 9's that night).
Steven Jones
07-27-14, 09:00
So I had one last day in SZ and thought I'd have some fun, but it didn't go as planned due to delayed flights, a torrential downpour and a much quieter scene then the week before.
I tried the Xiang Xi Cun as reccomended by Ikksman, and the first time I did see a couple of guys and 4 not so great looking women, it was early, so I thought I'd try later. I was horny, so I walked back to the apartments behind Shangrila. As I got there it started to rain, and hard! I took cover in an alcove, and was acosted by a mama. She took me in and up to see what girls where available. One was shown, at 150, and she was fat and rough. So I said no, and got up to leave. Mama told me she had others, and made some phone calls. No one appeared, we then tried another flat. Still nothing.
So I left to try again later that night.
A few hours later, around 1 am I walked to XXC and now there was nothing, feeling extra horny and brave I walked up to a couple guys and an older woman sitting where I saw the working girls and asked if there was anything going no. It was a resound no. So I walked back up to the Shangrila apartments. Here there was a lot more action, two main groups of girls. But now the mamas and papas where a lot more aggressive and wanted 300-500 a girl. I stuck to the 150 price, and go no where. So I walked up to the 7-11 and found the mama from before. She took me back to the same group of girls, and I chose a spinner for 200. Took her up and she was beautiful. Slim, perky, and very tight.
The room was okay and sex was great, no BJ, kissing, etc, but was so tight it was fun.
As I walked back to my room, I was accosted by a middle aged street walker, who gave me her number. I got back to my room, still feeling horny, so I gave her a call. 200 for an inroom massage and sex. She wasnt the best looking woman, face or body, but gave a sexy light massage, lots of body kissing and a BJ, followed by vigorous sex, I closed my eyes, pictured the first girl and shot a load. Was worth it!
Over all a little hit and miss, a lot less talent than a week back, but still fun to be had, the price for a ST in the Shangrila area is now 200, as you can still get a 150, but she won't be worth it.
If anyone wants ti give the incall a try, pm me and I'll send you her number.
LukeSkywalker
07-27-14, 18:27
5,000 RMB for pussies? That's ridiculous.
SZ hos are pricing themselves out of the pussy market.
Most of them will be hungry.
They will hate their stupid leaders.
LOL. The buildings are not so scary, that's just my opinion. Be confident but mindful of your surroundings. Many of these girls are not trustworthy, but sometimes you meet some really nice gems.
KTV prices, ugh, that 5000 price is nuts. Totally agree with you.
PukiMonster
07-28-14, 03:09
Police still roam but the girls just hide inside the apartments and the business changes. Just need to go inside the scary buildings to see the girls (5-7's). Lots of HK mongers there. Quality is suprisingly good. Service is hit or miss but the first girl that I selected, the service was very very good. Sans the CBJ, everything was awesome. Anybody recommend any KTV's in shenzhen, I proweled around and wasn't happy with the prices at this one place. Diamond KTV. Small room is 2000 rmb. Girls prices are 600/3000/5000. At 5000 its completely unaffordable for me. Also, difficult to even think about spending that cash when there are fukable girls for only 150 rmb that is only a 7 minute walk away. Diamond girls have a lot of plastic surgery ranging from 6-9's (I saw two 9's that night).I think that Diamond KTV has always been the most expensive KTV in Shenzhen and its pricing is not indicative of typical KTVs in SZ. 600/3000/5000 is only for the very wealthy, and has probably always been at or near these stratospheric levels. Unfortunately I have no idea of which KTVs currently offer takeout or there pricing structures. In fact I have not read of CP type pricing structure in the SZ forum.
{S N I P} Diamond KTV. Small room is 2000 rmb. Girls prices are 600/3000/5000. At 5000 its completely unaffordable for me. Also, difficult to even think about spending that cash when there are fukable girls for only 150 rmb that is only a 7 minute walk away. Diamond girls have a lot of plastic surgery ranging from 6-9's (I saw two 9's that night).Please appreciate that 600/3000/5000 pricing is typical of the high end clubs operating in China. These clubs are for the very wealthy. I am aware that the #8 KTV in Beijing had pricing of 1000/2500/5000 some 2 years ago.
Diamond KTV has probably had similar pricing for the past few years. It is not an average SZ KTV and the price has not suddenly jumped because of the crackdown.
There are clubs for the very wealthy and clubs for the rest of us.
Cheers.
P.S. Also to put things in perspective, in 2001 I was offered, by a beautiful Japanese girl with nice bolt-ons who was in the bar of the HK Grand Hyatt, a night of debauchery for HKD9000! Fixed price! Way above my league! I wonder what the pricing is today?
StinkyFeet
07-29-14, 07:18
P.S. Also to put things in perspective, in 2001 I was offered, by a beautiful Japanese girl with nice bolt-ons who was in the bar of the HK Grand Hyatt, a night of debauchery for HKD9000! Fixed price! Way above my league! I wonder what the pricing is today?Let me guess. Probably 500 HKD if she is still lucky. Fortunately, unlike gold, girls depreciate in time. Hahaha.
doing the calculations based upon korea red light district 15 minute 'salary'. it is actually a standard K price. at 50usd every 15 minutes for six hours i mean.
Steven Jones
07-31-14, 14:18
Please appreciate that 600/3000/5000 pricing is typical of the high end clubs operating in China. These clubs are for the very wealthy. I am aware that the #8 KTV in Beijing had pricing of 1000/2500/5000 some 2 years ago.
Diamond KTV has probably had similar pricing for the past few years. It is not an average SZ KTV and the price has not suddenly jumped because of the crackdown.
There are clubs for the very wealthy and clubs for the rest of us.
Cheers.
P.S. Also to put things in perspective, in 2001 I was offered, by a beautiful Japanese girl with nice bolt-ons who was in the bar of the HK Grand Hyatt, a night of debauchery for HKD9000! Fixed price! Way above my league! I wonder what the pricing is today?What does the 600/3000/5000 get you?
StinkyFeet
08-01-14, 02:48
What does the 600/3000/5000 get you?600/3000/5000.
Blueballs / guilt / monogamy.
So I had one last day in SZ and thought I'd have some fun, but it didn't go as planned due to delayed flights, a torrential downpour and a much quieter scene then the week before.
I tried the Xiang Xi Cun as reccomended by Ikksman, and the first time I did see a couple of guys and 4 not so great looking women, it was early, so I thought I'd try later. I was horny, so I walked back to the apartments behind Shangrila. As I got there it started to rain, and hard! I took cover in an alcove, and was acosted by a mama. She took me in and up to see what girls where available. One was shown, at 150, and she was fat and rough. So I said no, and got up to leave. Mama told me she had others, and made some phone calls. No one appeared, we then tried another flat. Still nothing.
So I left to try again later that night.
A few hours later, around 1 am I walked to XXC and now there was nothing, feeling extra horny and brave I walked up to a couple guys and an older woman sitting where I saw the working girls and asked if there was anything going no. It was a resound no...Good work StevenJones.
The cost is 200 per girl around the apartments. If you are Asian you might get 150. Even though some non Asian can negotiate to 150. I keep the math simple. 200 a pop 100 for mommy and 100 for girl. They are only asking 300-500 because I am assuming you are non Chinese by your name. If they push to 300- or more I would just leave early and travel to Thailand. Although I knew about the fair price before I new about this forum. It is great it is here to help others. Lucky this area is not big with white guys because if it was. The price would definitely be raised $100-150 USD per girl. Chinese are cheap and careful how they spend their money. That is what keeps the price low. And no I do not want a lecture on how some people know Chinese that are not cheap. This is only my opinion.
It does rain bad in shen Zhen but I can't think of a better place to be to monger when it rains. Because you can just hang out in the apartment buildings banging different girls. After I leave one room I am not even out of the elevator as a new manger grabs me.
600/3000/5000.
Blueballs / guilt / monogamy.And higher probability of a starfish!
Steven, this shorthand would be generally expressed as 6/30/50. To save you doing a lengthy RTFF, check this post from late last year for explanation: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1628-South-China-Dongguan&p=1481983&viewfull=1#post1481983 .
I saved this post at the time for future reference, but pretty useless now!
Interesting to note that ChangPing KTV pricing then (October last year) varied from 3/6/9 to 8/25/35!
Ikks.
Steven Jones
08-01-14, 06:41
And higher probability of a starfish!
Steven, this shorthand would be generally expressed as 6/30/50. To save you doing a lengthy RTFF, check this post from late last year for explanation: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1628-South-China-Dongguan&p=1481983&viewfull=1#post1481983 .
I saved this post at the time for future reference, but pretty useless now!
Interesting to note that ChangPing KTV pricing then (October last year) varied from 3/6/9 to 8/25/35!
Ikks.Cheers dude!
And does the fee include FS or is it just "company" ? I'd be curious to hit one of these places some time, see what its all about. Maybe next time I'm in SZ.
EDIT:
I read a few more posts and saw that the services do include fs, but they do look pricey, is the price worth it?
StinkyFeet
08-01-14, 07:01
I read a few more posts and saw that the services do include fs, but they do look pricey, is the price worth it?Experienced KTV hobbiest normally build a "relationship" with the KTV girl, this way, when he finally takes her back (hopefully a freebie) the service will be GFE. But. If your just traveling in and out, than the odds are against you, and you'll probably just end up getting a starfish. Of course it depends on the type of girl as well. I have been lucky in the past to find some party girls, and in bed, they were incredibly fun not GFE, not PSE, not mechanical, but fun as hell.
What I meant on my last post was.
Blueballs = just a drinking with the girl but still want to eat her up.
Guilt = realizing just paid 3000 rmb for a 30 - 45 minute of sex.
Monogamy = realizing just paid 5000 rmb and swearing never to do it again.
Haha.
Steven Jones
08-01-14, 09:31
Experienced KTV hobbiest normally build a "relationship" with the KTV girl, this way, when he finally takes her back (hopefully a freebie) the service will be GFE. But. If your just traveling in and out, than the odds are against you, and you'll probably just end up getting a starfish. Of course it depends on the type of girl as well. I have been lucky in the past to find some party girls, and in bed, they were incredibly fun not GFE, not PSE, not mechanical, but fun as hell.
What I meant on my last post was.
Blueballs = just a drinking with the girl but still want to eat her up.
Guilt = realizing just paid 3000 rmb for a 30 - 45 minute of sex.
Monogamy = realizing just paid 5000 rmb and swearing never to do it again.
Haha.Nice breakdown!
Also what is a starfish?
I'm sure if you end up spending a lot of time and money there, it becomes an easy pick up joint. What are the drink prices like there?
Fast Eddie 48
08-01-14, 21:57
Good work StevenJones.
The cost is 200 per girl around the apartments. If you are Asian you might get 150. Even though some non Asian can negotiate to 150. I keep the math simple. 200 a pop 100 for mommy and 100 for girl. They are only asking 300-500 because I am assuming you are non Chinese by your name. If they push to 300- or more I would just leave early and travel to Thailand. Although I knew about the fair price before I new about this forum. It is great it is here to help others. Lucky this area is not big with white guys because if it was. The price would definitely be raised $100-150 USD per girl. Chinese are cheap and careful how they spend their money. That is what keeps the price low. And no I do not want a lecture on how some people know Chinese that are not cheap. This is only my opinion.
It does rain bad in shen Zhen but I can't think of a better place to be to monger when it rains. Because you can just hang out in the apartment buildings banging different girls. After I leave one room I am not even out of the elevator as a new manger grabs me.To TomSF.
Your are a Lurker not a Monger by the time you get here it will be all over Xiang xi Cun apartment will be gone by then, many new construction is going in the area for new train station and shopping mall just keep dreaming and talking.
Fast eddie 48.
StinkyFeet
08-02-14, 01:25
Nice breakdown!
Also what is a starfish?
I'm sure if you end up spending a lot of time and money there, it becomes an easy pick up joint. What are the drink prices like there?I was quoted room rate of 2000 rmb for the smallest room excluding the annoying fees and tips (DJ, mommy, manager, etc). Please note they do not serve drinks "a la carte". They charge by the room and you have your selection of various drinks (couple dozen of beers or a few bottles of hard liquor).
{S N I P} It does rain bad in shen Zhen but I can't think of a better place to be to monger when it rains. Because you can just hang out in the apartment buildings banging different girls. After I leave one room I am not even out of the elevator as a new manger grabs me.It would be great if you could identify which apartment building you are able to hang out in, banging different girls, without leaving the building. Is it near the MTR subway construction site (which has been going on for years)? I would like to try!
Steven Jones
08-02-14, 07:45
I was quoted room rate of 2000 rmb for the smallest room excluding the annoying fees and tips (DJ, mommy, manager, etc). Please note they do not serve drinks "a la carte". They charge by the room and you have your selection of various drinks (couple dozen of beers or a few bottles of hard liquor).Ah okay, so not even worth going just for a drink and some company!
Steven Jones
08-02-14, 07:46
It would be great if you could identify which apartment building you are able to hang out in, banging different girls, without leaving the building. Is it near the MTR subway construction site (which has been going on for years)? I would like to try!If you want to go to the Shangrila apartments, there is one tower with 5-6 working rooms, and another tower with a low rent hotel that is seems to be there just for working girls and their clients.
StinkyFeet
08-03-14, 13:51
Ah okay, so not even worth going just for a drink and some company!This place is for business locals to show face. That's all. !
Steven Jones
08-03-14, 16:23
This place is for business locals to show face. That's all. !Cool. I do need to find a decent watering hole in LaoHu though.
AmericanThief
08-05-14, 12:44
In general,
Are there BBBJ shops in SZ with CIM?
I've been spoiled in VN and really need to know if they exist, and if they are any good.
Many thanks.
In general,
Are there BBBJ shops in SZ with CIM?
I've been spoiled in VN and really need to know if they exist, and if they are any good.
Many thanks.There are probably thousands of leisure centres, clubs, massage places, spas and saunas in SZ. Most decent hotels have a sauna / spa centre, but generally they do not have English speaking staff.
Prior to the crackdown during the last Chinese New Year, these places (excluding international 5 star), offered various services ranging from happy endings (HJ) through to BBBJ and FS. But usually it was next to impossible to translate the items on the menu into something meaningful. You either needed either an English speaking guy to assist or, if you knew the typical pricing structure in SZ in the various types of establishments, then it was often possible to guess which menu items provided which services.
Generally Chinese girls do not like CIM (many do not even do BJ), so this was generally not a standard menu item but had to be individually negotiated. If it was offered on the menu, it was more expensive.
The crackdown meiyou'd all these services out of existence in Guangzhou, and were only occasionally offered discreetly, and often only in a guest's hotel room. Difficult for non-Chinese speaking guys to negotiate.
The services are slowly returning so which places offer BBBJ is difficult to determine, without trying them. And even then some girls may refuse, particularly if they don't know you.
Most punters here concentrate on FS, so there is very little discussion on this forum about BBBJs and the locations where available (after the crackdown). Some of the BBS girls may offer BBBJ with CIM but as I stated, most members chase FS, so you will probably won't get much helpful advice. Maybe a few senior members will PM you.
It would be great if you could identify which apartment building you are able to hang out in, banging different girls, without leaving the building. Is it near the MTR subway construction site (which has been going on for years)? I would like to try!I stayed at the hotel called Homeinn. On the side of the hotel there is an outside little store selling drinks. You have a row of maybe 4 apartment buildings. The first 3 are filled with girls and touts. At least it was before the crack down. The hotel marker is a 7 minute walk from Luhou station. I can see it very clearly in my mind. I do not have addresses nor did I think to write them down. But I would be leaving one room headed for the elevator and another tout would grab me before I leave the building. Fun stuff. I will be back either late Oct, Nov., or early December depending on my work when I can take off. I will let everyone know how it is. Now if there is another crackdown or problem in China then its straight to Thailand for me.
SilverSurfie
08-06-14, 09:30
Question regarding the BBSs, what times during the day do the operate or are they available anytime of day rain or shine? Reason I ask is that I have to make a HK visa run and will only be in Shenzhen for a few hours. Will I be able to find action at either the Shangrila apts or Xiangxi Cun BBS between 4 pm-8 pm? Or will pickings be slim during those hours?
AmericanThief
08-06-14, 12:16
Cheers Ikksman,
Not what I want to hear, but I will take your word. Thank you for the reply.
I've been getting a BBBJ with CIM once sometimes twice a week for the past two years. Truely glorious, it makes my life complete, but I'm totally burned out with Vietnam.
I gave notice at work and will be moving to SZ. I just worry that I might regret giving up my most fulling hobby?
Maybe I can find glory in FS? I hope so, but my experience with FS has been a bit boring.
The grass always looks greener, and I can have a much more modern life in SZ, but I have one more year on my work permit here in VN, and my company wants me to stay. Please tell me SZ is better overall.
I can't take these fucking motorbikes and the subway construction is making it worse. I think I can double my salary in SZ so it seems more rational to move rather than stay for some blow jobs, but I'm totaly mental if you haven't guessed already.
I stayed at the hotel called Homeinn. On the side of the hotel there is an outside little store selling drinks. You have a row of maybe 4 apartment buildings. The first 3 are filled with girls and touts. At least it was before the crack down. The hotel marker is a 7 minute walk from Luhou station. I can see it very clearly in my mind. I do not have addresses nor did I think to write them down. But I would be leaving one room headed for the elevator and another tout would grab me before I leave the building. Fun stuff. I will be back either late Oct, Nov., or early December depending on my work when I can take off. I will let everyone know how it is. Now if there is another crackdown or problem in China then its straight to Thailand for me.Then this is not the Shangri La apartments that you are referring to!
There are many Home Inns in SZ (dozens? I know of 2, possibly 3, that are less than 10 minutes walk from the Luohu MTR (on both sides of the railway line).
{S N I P}
I can't take these fucking motorbikes and the subway construction is making it worse. I think I can double my salary in SZ so it seems more rational to move rather than stay for some blow jobs, but I'm totaly mental if you haven't guessed already.You might be lucky and find BBS girls who are happy to give you BBBJ and CIM so that they can rest their meimei. But you will need to learn some Chinese.
SZ does not generally allow petrol motorbikes, although there are plenty of electric bikes and trikes, but not like below (HCMC about 5 years ago)!
Question regarding the BBSs, what times during the day do the operate or are they available anytime of day rain or shine? Reason I ask is that I have to make a HK visa run and will only be in Shenzhen for a few hours. Will I be able to find action at either the Shangrila apts or Xiangxi Cun BBS between 4 pm-8 pm? Or will pickings be slim during those hours?4 pm to 8 pm is definitely OK for S-La Apartments and XXC. Maybe not peak hours for XXC.
Then this is not the Shangri La apartments that you are referring to!
There are many Home Inns in SZ (dozens? I know of 2, possibly 3, that are less than 10 minutes walk from the Luohu MTR (on both sides of the railway line).Let me be more specific. I have the their business card with address in front of me. F5, Lianhua buiding (opposite the Jiali center) No. 2011, Renmingnan Road, Luohu district, Shen Zhen.
I have their telephone number as well but don't think we are allowed to post phone numbers on here.
I did bring a girls to my room before a few times. There are cameras on every floor. With the environment now in China. I myself would not take the risk of bringing girls to my hotel room now.
Fast Eddie 48
08-07-14, 21:54
Question regarding the BBSs, what times during the day do the operate or are they available anytime of day rain or shine? Reason I ask is that I have to make a HK visa run and will only be in Shenzhen for a few hours. Will I be able to find action at either the Shangrila apts or Xiangxi Cun BBS between 4 pm-8 pm? Or will pickings be slim during those hours?To SliverSurfie.
Because of the Crack down all bbs at Lowu is now a hit and miss some time there are girl and some time is very quiet because of police present, no one can tell you when there is girl avalible.
Fast eddie 48.
Fast Eddie 48
08-07-14, 22:07
Then this is not the Shangri La apartments that you are referring to!
There are many Home Inns in SZ (dozens? I know of 2, possibly 3, that are less than 10 minutes walk from the Luohu MTR (on both sides of the railway line).To IKKsman.
The Lurker is referring to the Home Inn Guomao near the Lowu border is at Renmin S Road cheap ass motel with tiny room with no mini bar, it was still there a few month ago but I heard the building around the area torn down soon, the building across the st and the building next to the the pink apartment is torn down last yr.
Fast eddie 48.
Let me be more specific. I have the their business card with address in front of me. F5, Lianhua buiding (opposite the Jiali center) No. 2011, Renmingnan Road, Luohu district, Shen Zhen. {S N I P} OK, that Home Inn is between the Century Plaza Hotel and King Glory Plaza (on the opposite side of Renmin Sth Rd). Everyone should know those 2 landmarks.
The 4 buildings you describe are not the Shangri La apartments, but another group of buildings directly opposite (North) of the Century Plaza and have lots of massage shops on the street (Chenfu Lu? I have written about this location previously. There are usually just a few touts on Jianshe Rd for the girls in these buildings, so I doubt that they are full of WGs.
The Shangri La apartments are on the other side of the Century Plaza, south of the overhead expressway (continuation of Binhe Av), and of course very close to the Shangri La Hotel.
Cheers.
To IKKsman.
The Lurker is referring to the Home Inn Guomao near the Lowu border is at Renmin S Road cheap ass motel with tiny room with no mini bar, it was still there a few month ago but I heard the building around the area torn down soon, the building across the st and the building next to the the pink apartment is torn down last yr.
Fast eddie 48.I know the Home Inn on Renmin Sth Rd. Yes, Home Inns are pretty cheap ass. Their quality apparently varies quite a lot. I have no idea how good or bad this particular one is (and no desire to find out, haha).
The very big block next to the Pink Apartments (Luohu Cun), on Renmin Sth Rd was torn down maybe 5 years ago. The block on the North East corner was torn down 3 to 4 years ago and a smaller block on the South East corner (was actually a house) was demolished last year. I guess the village will soon be no more!
Cheers.
Hey guys,
I'm planning my friends Bachelor party and we're looking for a good KTV experience. Most of our experience is in Singapore and Thailand so this would be a new setting for us. Hoping to end the night with taking 4 or 5 girls back to our hotel. We haven't settled on a location yet but I was strongly leaning towards LuoHu, Shenzhen. The only recent posts I've seen on pricing was for Diamond with an over night price of 5000. I think that's a bit crazy!
Are there more reasonable KTVs around? 2 guys in our group can speak the local language but they don't have any experience in this city. Our backup idea was Macau, but honestly the KTVs seem limited there and didn't see encouraging prices either.
Any advice would be much appreciated and of course we'll share our experience!
Cheers
John Smart
08-11-14, 05:41
After all the talk here about things being closed down, I had been assuming that there wouldn't be any action anywhere.
I used to go to DG with some good HK Chinese mongerer friends. I saw them last Friday and they said they haven't been there for months, and there really is no action there. DG was just too much in your face.
I used to go to a KTV with them sometimes in SZ, and I had been assuming that had also been shut. But no. It hasn't changed.
This particular KTV is just off Longgang Ave, by the Tangkeng MTR in NE SZ.
Same old thing, they bring a lineup, you choose and it's off to the races as usual.
It's now 3/6/9 whereas before it used to be 2/6/9.
Also, the girls are in civvies rather than in KTV fancy gowns, but so what.
My friends did say that overnight is still potentially a bit dodgy so why is it 3/6/9 then and not 3/6/-- ?. I don't know; I can't answer that.
But you can still take a girl back to your hotel (we stay in a hotel by the Tangkeng MTR). They said don't go to the room together; go up to your room and the girls will come up 10 minutes later. I did as instructed, and it was all fine.
Whether this holds true for all KTVs, I don't know. But things aren't as totally dire as I been expecting.
SilverSurfie
08-11-14, 14:10
So I was in Shenzhen for a few hours and I decided to roam around a bit. The Shangri la apt aunties right outside the train station and in front of the Shangri La apts are super pushy and were quite annoying. I guess with the crackdown over they're trying to make up for lost time and revenue? I also encountered an auntie in front of Xi Long the Sha (Across the street from the Starbucks) along Renming South Road but I didn't catch what apt building she said the girls were at as I was hurrying along to Xiang Xi Cun.
I finally made my way over to Xiang Xi Cun around 5 pm and there the WGs were in the last 3-4 alleys in the back of the apt block. I think there were atleast 9 different groups of girls usually with 2-4 girls at separate alleyway intersections so I am assuming there are multiple operations using separate apartment towers / rooms making each group its own little brothel. If one had a whole day to kill he could literally go from group to group sampling.
Anyways as soon as I walked in the alleyway I was stopped by the first group of girls and immediately propositioned. There was 2 girls at first view with a 3rd already upstairs with a customer as I found out later. The girl that was actively propositioning me was cute; I would rate a 7, looked 22-24 ish and had a nice set of c cups. I was really interested in checking out the other groups as I saw a really nice looking girl farther in the middle of the building block that I wanted to get a close look but I'm a weak minded male and the c cups really jumped out at me. Going to take a very strong willed individual to walk by nubile flesh being offered to you. So after agreeing to 150 rmb we go up to the 2nd floor and into their apt which is one living room with a bedroom on the side. Part of the living room had a thick curtain closed where the 3rd girl was with her customer so we took the bedroom.
Was a wham bam thank you maam experience not GFE which is what I like as wham bam experiences feel cold and impersonal but these apt brothels is what it is.
So I have looked over a large part of this entire Shenzhen thread and the information is abundant. You guys are awesome. However, I also see a lot has changed in the last few months. I have some prior experiences in Taiwan, US and Europe but never in China. Since this is my first trip to Shenzhen and first attempt to hook up in China, I am looking to you guys for your expert advice. Here are the details:
White guy from California. 38, not ugly, not fat, but not a model either. In town Sunday night the 17th until Wednesday night the 20th. Working during the day and free at night. Staying at the Marco Polo in Futian (Continental Club level if that makes a difference). Prefer freebies but don't think I have enough time to put in the work. However, I did read the Ikksman post on How to meet freebies. Phenomenal and I will try to utilize the info. Would prefer outcall to take / have someone come to the hotel. Not interested in the BBS's, SW's or Spas. Speak very little Mandarin. Money is not a big concern.
Here are my main questions:
1. How safe is it to have girls to the hotel after the crackdown? I understand the risk of theft, etc from girl but am looking for info regarding hotel staff reaction / policies and of course LE.
2. Seems to be many methods for finding Outcall, looking for opinions on which are the best / preferred.
3. What are the best areas in Futian for trying to find freebies? Don't mind failing as long as I still have a good night of drinks and chasing.
4. Any other relevant advice for a first time visitor to SZ.
I know this is my first post but I have always depended on people I knew in the areas I was visiting. However, I do not know anyone in Shenzhen besides a co-worker who I don't really get along with anyway. So thank you in advance for your patience and advice!
SteelBaton
08-13-14, 09:35
Everyone will have a different opinion. I'd say its a toss-up. I get to SZ frequently and have a few years of experience in the region. I spent a nice weekend in HCMC recently, there's a post if you check.
I would say, if you don't speak Chinese, you will miss the VN GFE with English spoken. Very few girls in Guangdong speak English so the interaction is more challenging.
If all you want is BBBJ then you can get that at the Perthden hotel in SZ. Outside of that you will be spending a lot of time in the alleys getting BBS-style slam / bam sex. That usually will start with a lame BBBJ. No GFE.
The continuing disruption from the crack down makes everything unpredictable so it could get better or it could get worse.
There is good convenient sex to be had in Hong Kong, but it will cost you US $120+. If you have a western passport you can probably easily get down to HK by train in 60 minutes, so an afternoon or evening is doable. Also, you are about an hour from Macau, where there are lots of options.
So in short, my experience is that you be leaving cheap GFEs for a bigger supply of some cheap, some expensive Chinese girls who will often be pretty, but sometimes cold and mechanical. Within an hour you will have lots of options if you can travel to HK and Macau. If it was just SZ vs HCMC, then I think you have it better in HCMC and will be disappointed for sure. If you can add Macau and HK then you will probably find sufficient options but you will have to travel and up your spending vs HCMC.
Hope that was worth the time I took to reply!
Cheers Ikksman,
Not what I want to hear, but I will take your word. Thank you for the reply.
I've been getting a BBBJ with CIM once sometimes twice a week for the past two years. Truely glorious, it makes my life complete, but I'm totally burned out with Vietnam.
I gave notice at work and will be moving to SZ. I just worry that I might regret giving up my most fulling hobby?
Maybe I can find glory in FS? I hope so, but my experience with FS has been a bit boring.
The grass always looks greener, and I can have a much more modern life in SZ, but I have one more year on my work permit here in VN, and my company wants me to stay. Please tell me SZ is better overall.
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Steven Jones
08-13-14, 15:05
So I was in Shenzhen for a few hours and I decided to roam around a bit. The Shangri la apt aunties right outside the train station and in front of the Shangri La apts are super pushy and were quite annoying. I guess with the crackdown over they're trying to make up for lost time and revenue? I also encountered an auntie in front of Xi Long the Sha (Across the street from the Starbucks) along Renming South Road but I didn't catch what apt building she said the girls were at as I was hurrying along to Xiang Xi Cun.
I finally made my way over to Xiang Xi Cun around 5 pm and there the WGs were in the last 3-4 alleys in the back of the apt block. I think there were atleast 9 different groups of girls usually with 2-4 girls at separate alleyway intersections so I am assuming there are multiple operations using separate apartment towers / rooms making each group its own little brothel. If one had a whole day to kill he could literally go from group to group sampling.
Anyways as soon as I walked in the alleyway I was stopped by the first group of girls and immediately propositioned. There was 2 girls at first view with a 3rd already upstairs with a customer as I found out later. The girl that was actively propositioning me was cute; I would rate a 7, looked 22-24 ish and had a nice set of c cups. I was really interested in checking out the other groups as I saw a really nice looking girl farther in the middle of the building block that I wanted to get a close look but I'm a weak minded male and the c cups really jumped out at me. Going to take a very strong willed individual to walk by nubile flesh being offered to you. So after agreeing to 150 rmb we go up to the 2nd floor and into their apt which is one living room with a bedroom on the side. Part of the living room had a thick curtain closed where the 3rd girl was with her customer so we took the bedroom.
Was a wham bam thank you maam experience not GFE which is what I like as wham bam experiences feel cold and impersonal but these apt brothels is what it is.Good going, on the 150 price and the fact you got to see a bunch of women, when I was there it was dead!
Hey guys,
I'm planning my friends Bachelor party and we're looking for a good KTV experience. Most of our experience is in Singapore and Thailand so this would be a new setting for us. Hoping to end the night with taking 4 or 5 girls back to our hotel. We haven't settled on a location yet but I was strongly leaning towards LuoHu, Shenzhen. The only recent posts I've seen on pricing was for Diamond with an over night price of 5000. I think that's a bit crazy!
Are there more reasonable KTVs around? 2 guys in our group can speak the local language but they don't have any experience in this city. Our backup idea was Macau, but honestly the KTVs seem limited there and didn't see encouraging prices either.
Any advice would be much appreciated and of course we'll share our experience!
CheersMy advice is that taking girls to hotel in Shenzhen is still a bit risky and many KTV girls are not willing to go to hotel recently. I believe Macau will be a better choice at this moment.
My advice is that taking girls to hotel in Shenzhen is still a bit risky and many KTV girls are not willing to go to hotel recently. I believe Macau will be a better choice at this moment.If members are contemplating visiting Macau, go to the Macau forum and look at the prices. OK for millionaires!
BTW, I don't think that anyone here has reported a hotel raid in SZ? I stand to be corrected.
Cheers
If members are contemplating visiting Macau, go to the Macau forum and look at the prices. OK for millionaires!
BTW, I don't think that anyone here has reported a hotel raid in SZ? I stand to be corrected.
CheersDo the hotel staff in SZ ever contact LE if they suspect you of bringing a WG to the room? Or am I over thinking this and it is no different than most other places where if there is any turbulence a well timed tip will make the problem go away?
BTW Ikksman, your How to Meet Freebies post is one of the best I've ever read!
Explorer88
08-14-14, 05:24
Do the hotel staff in SZ ever contact LE if they suspect you of bringing a WG to the room? Or am I over thinking this and it is no different than most other places where if there is any turbulence a well timed tip will make the problem go away?
BTW Ikksman, your How to Meet Freebies post is one of the best I've ever read!The Intercontinental has girls in and out of the lobby all night. You can take them to the Hotel bar, drink, dance then go to your room no problem.
Do the hotel staff in SZ ever contact LE if they suspect you of bringing a WG to the room? Or am I over thinking this and it is no different than most other places where if there is any turbulence a well timed tip will make the problem go away?
BTW Ikksman, your How to Meet Freebies post is one of the best I've ever read!Thanks for the compliment. Appreciated!
Prior to the CNY crackdown, and contrary to the opinions of one or two posters here, most agree that raids of LE on hotel rooms are unheard of in SZ, in the last 8 or so years. This is of course, as long as other crimes have not been committed. Some years ago, (2009?) SZ LE publicly paraded some WG, touts and customers. The central government firmly and publicly told lower level governments, and the PSB, that this would not be tolerated.
To the best of my knowledge, the offer of the 5000 RMB reward for informing on prostitution, and the consequent raiding of hotel rooms only occurred in Dongguan. There is and always has been, no incentive for SZ hotel staff to report punters (only disincentives).
And also to the best of my knowledge, there have not been any hotel rooms raided in SZ. There have been a few raids in SZ on KTV premises etc. There was one raid reported here that was instigated by an investigative reporter trying to cash in on the Dongguan brouhaha.
The situation appears to be that the club / leisure centre / massage / sauna / spa / KTV owners were seriously warned by the police (PSB), and the owners, touts and the girls were extremely concerned that what happened in CP and other parts of Dongguan, could happen to them. I am not aware of hotels, KTV, and saunas closing because of the crackdown (as occurred in DG). The resultant impact was that BBBJ and FS became generally unavailable in the clubs / spas etc, and the touts and the girls temporarily disappeared from the BBS in the villages. Escort type services (advertised in news services, cards under the door, etc) were unaffected.
SZ is slowly returning to normal, but girls are still fearful of takeout, and massage / sauna / spa no longer openly advertise full service. Interesting that HappyMassage dot com still carries data regarding which places offer full service (unchanged from start of yanda).
It is worth noting that many of the major BBS action spots reported on this forum (such as Shatsui and Shuiwei) have degenerated almost completely over the years because of previous concerted crackdowns. Some older villages have also been demolished (a fate that will soon befall Xiangxi and Luohu, as parts of both have already been demolished). Certain KTV / massage / BBS areas have also been sanitised, particularly in Futian (such as Gangxia) which may be partly due to the area increasingly becoming the financial hub of SZ?
The current situation is that (apart from BBS), FS is not readily available to the casual punter. Repeat visits would be necessary, or arranging private 'dates' with the girls.
I do not think that punter safety is any different from previous. For the totally paranoid, it would be 100% safe staying in a hotel with massage / sauna services (such as Lotus, Perthden, etc) and ordering room service with FS (and of course no walk of shame). In my opinion, FS is available in the places that previously offered it, as long as one is known, a hotel guest or VIP card holder (cheap and recommended).
The above is just my understanding (a bit disjointed). Updates, corrections and differing opinions welcomed to help us gain a better picture of SZ.
Cheers.
Dear Ikksman,
What an excellent read (great info shared) and also a big thank you for writing in with so much details.
In General...
Adding to your brilliant post, this is what I have to share.
A couple of friends and I took a call to celebrate Bachelor's for one of our mates. So the common heaven for this obviously would be Bang-the-cock (Bangkok), LOL in SE Asai. As most of us had visited this place at some point or the other, we decided to change. One of our friend's deals (business) a lot with a small town in China that goes by the name Shantou.
He said he will write in to his local contact there and set up the whole gig for us (we were planning on 3-4 days). , In came his reply, which categorically cleared the air that the form of entertainment that was available is no longer there, and there have been a lot of LE actions in and around the place. Post the New years the Govt wants to clamp these activities. Blah blah blah. In short, he basically advised us to change locations from China to somewhere else.
So yes, sir you are right and in fact reading your post has corroborated what the local vendor of my friend advised us.
Seniors just sharing what / how much I can.
Thank you.
FunkySexy.
P.S. We boys are now traveling to HCMC (Vietnam) any advice on PM would be highly appreciated, please.
Thanks for the compliment. Appreciated!
I do not think that punter safety is any different from previous. For the totally paranoid, it would be 100% safe staying in a hotel with massage / sauna services (such as Lotus, Perthden, etc) and ordering room service with FS (and of course no walk of shame). In my opinion, FS is available in the places that previously offered it, as long as one is known, a hotel guest or VIP card holder (cheap and recommended).
The above is just my understanding (a bit disjointed). Updates, corrections and differing opinions welcomed to help us gain a better picture of SZ.
Cheers.
Thanks for the compliment. Appreciated!
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The above is just my understanding (a bit disjointed). Updates, corrections and differing opinions welcomed to help us gain a better picture of SZ.
Cheers.Ikksman you are a gentleman and a scholar. A true wealth of knowledge! That is very helpful.
I am staying at the Marco Polo in Futian. Does anyone know of specific action in that hotel or if WG's can be found in the bars inside or nearby?
Also, in terms of finding outcall service online which one do people think is the best option? I see China Daily, Backpage, Craigslist and Escortfind as some of the noticeable options. Any thoughts or advice? I can't wait to post a report here with my experience as a first time visitor. Win or lose, I always enjoy the excitement of the hunt!
Fast Eddie 48
08-14-14, 22:40
Do the hotel staff in SZ ever contact LE if they suspect you of bringing a WG to the room? Or am I over thinking this and it is no different than most other places where if there is any turbulence a well timed tip will make the problem go away?
BTW Ikksman, your How to Meet Freebies post is one of the best I've ever read!To SeeSharp.
As far as I know that is only going on in Chang Ping and Dongguan area, the crack down there is heavy most newbie think hotel room raid is all over China is not but most city in S China bbs and KTV has been closed down and not been reopen.
Fast eddie 48.
I am staying at the Marco Polo in Futian. Does anyone know of specific action in that hotel or if WG's can be found in the bars inside or nearby?
Also, in terms of finding outcall service online which one do people think is the best option? A few years ago SWs were very active outside the Marco Polo. Do a search here and maybe more info.
I know guys that have successfully used shenzhenparty.com and classifieds.chinadaily.com. No idea of pricing and if negotiable or not. Photos will of course be copied from somewhere else (Japan AV etc). I prefer my freebies!
Cheers.
Ikksman you are a gentleman and a scholar. A true wealth of knowledge! That is very helpful.
I am staying at the Marco Polo in Futian. Does anyone know of specific action in that hotel or if WG's can be found in the bars inside or nearby?
Also, in terms of finding outcall service online which one do people think is the best option? I see China Daily, Backpage, Craigslist and Escortfind as some of the noticeable options. Any thoughts or advice? I can't wait to post a report here with my experience as a first time visitor. Win or lose, I always enjoy the excitement of the hunt!Just step out the Side Lobby Door and Stand by the Traffic Light the Totes will find you quickly BTW I have always asked them to see the girl first in person and don't be shy about sending a few back till your happy!
Guitarrefreak
09-05-14, 05:29
Was there for a few days, mostly tried to hookup with weixin girls but mostly professionals.
Prices have certainly gone up, from 600 1200, what a think a ridiculous range, probably just a trophy fuck in the end.
Sharing a few pictures for fellow mongers to enjoy, I cannot vouch for their authenticity though.
We sarted off with a massage, ranging from 388 for a handjob to 1288 for. Perhaps sex. We didn't try it. After that we found a gentlemen's club in lohuo but it started at 2000 for the room / drinks, girls were 600 a piece to sit with you. We thought that was a bit high for no sex so we left. We checked a few KTVs after that and had no luck finding one that provided girls. Around 1:00 am we gave up and went to a club near cocos park. Ended with a girl we were chatting with on wechat. She came to the hotel, looked different than the picture as expected, maybe 6.2/10. Was negotiated down to 400 for one shot and 800 for the night. Aiming to find a KTV for around 3/6/9. I saw a post on here earlier for one around longgang. Any more details on the location?
Appreciate the help guys!
GoGreenAndh
09-12-14, 21:55
Girls probably want to avoid troubles for not having foreigner customers, zero English of course for the cheap girls in China. There is nothing to negotiate, pay 150, quick fuck 30 minutes, no drama.
400 for 2 hours was cheap, wouldn't be cheap if you made it with some touts.
I visited Xiang Xi Cun last night, there is a lot of girls around and the quality is really good, the problem is that they are not approaching you as a foreigner and I guess the speak zero English, I saw some real good ones I would rate them as 7's or 8's.
They are moving all the time in the back alleys, going back and forward and in circles, there is surveillance cameras on the streets, I saw that they take the interested customers in some more secluded corner to negotiate.
I could not really make contact with the ones I was interested in so I got back to the more "touristic" RLD near the Shangri-La and got a girl back to my hotel for 400 Rmb for 2 hrs after discussing the price for a while.
Girl was a 6 , she gave did her best, but sent her back after 1,5 hrs and 2,5 pops.
And called it a night.
GoGreenAndh
09-12-14, 22:17
You were offered cheaply. If you are a white, be charged twice to triple.
Qingdao girl is highly unlikely, the city is considered rich in China.
I think they are renting rooms to girls arriving by trains. Considering doing the same is highly unlikely not successful, there are guards and police nearby, the girls can easily complain to them for being harassed. Rural girls know people in the cities can be dangerous.
Just arrived in Shenzhen today after some business meetings in HK, as soon as I got out from the LoWu station it didn't last long and I was approached by some older ladies promoting "massage" , "sexy sexy" and running after me.
After a taking my room in the Shangri-La I went out to check out the situation and I can say that it is getting lively again.
I just checked the main alleys behind the Shangri-La up until the intersection with Jiabin Rd.
I was offered girls to take back to the hotel for 2 hrs for 600 Rmb or 900 for all night, don't know how much the informations are trustable) can anyone confirm that type of prices? But one of the pimps even gave me his cell. Phone number when I said I wouldn't have time tonight but would be happy to make a test tomorrow morning...
Girls probably want to avoid troubles for not having foreigner customers, zero English of course for the cheap girls in China. There is nothing to negotiate, pay 150, quick fuck 30 minutes, no drama. I appreciate that you are reading the past forum posts. Please read a bit further back in time. You will discover that Xiang Xi Cun has been a favourite SZ mongering destination for foreigners for probably more than 10 years. So your statement, as a generalisation, cannot possibly be true! In fact, I believe that the main reason for a WG refusing a foreigner, is they think that he will be too much hard work because he will have a big Xiao didi, and last longer than a few minutes!
Normally for foreigners, the mamas / papas offer 300, which is then negotiated down to perhaps 150. Because you are Chinese, they ask 150, but even this is, of course, negotiable.
400 for 2 hours was cheap, wouldn't be cheap if you made it with some touts.400 is a pretty average price and not particularly cheap. The meaning of your reference to the touts is not clear.
You were offered cheaply. If you are a white, be charged twice to triple..You may be asked for twice (not triple) the price that Chinese are asked. This is the starting point for negotiations. For example, A Chinese may be asked for 150 but negotiates down to 100. A white guy may be asked for 300, but negotiates down to 150. This is not a bad foreigner surcharge in comparison to many places in Asia, where even hotel prices are hugely inflated for foreigners.
Qingdao girl is highly unlikely, the city is considered rich in China. Even rich cities in China have plenty of poor people.
I think they are renting rooms to girls arriving by trains. Considering doing the same is highly unlikely not successful, there are guards and police nearby, the girls can easily complain to them for being harassed. Rural girls know people in the cities can be dangerous.I think that you may have misunderstood. He was staying at the Shangri-La hotel, not the apartments behind the hotel.
Mamasans / touts / WGs will rarely call Police in case of disputes or complaints, for obvious reasons. As they say in China, if you need help from Police, call a foreigner (LOL).
BTW there are a number of Hongkongese, ABCs, BBCs and even mainland Chinese who are members on these threads, and who offer their interpretations of cultural practices, outlooks, etc. Nevertheless, I am sure that members here will appreciate your future contributions here.
Cheers.
Donuts Galore
09-18-14, 10:27
I've read the recent forum posts about blowjobs service at the massage places in Shenzhen and I wanted to start a list of them because they are harder to find than I thought. My goal is to get a kind of database of places, girls, and prices of places that offer the blowjob service as an option (and not something you pay extra to the girl for).
I've tried the Perthden in Luohu and Blue World Flower (rough translation from Chinese) in Futian a few times each.
I think Perthden is OK, but inconsistent in the service aspects. I've had two girls give me a BBBJ but only one allowed a CIM, and a third girl only allowed a CBJ. The massages range from terrible to OK. Attitude was nice and friendly among all the girls and looks varied from 5-6 with nobody special looking but perhaps if I continue going there, I'll find more attractive ones. I don't remember any girls numbers because they were not really worth remembering.
The Blue World Flower is very consistent with all girls giving BBBJ + CIM. The massages range from OK to great. Attitude was nice and friendly among all the girls and looks varied from 4-8 with some relatively attractive girls, though usually they are busy and you need to reserve them ahead of time. #66 and #128 are average looking but give the best blowjobs I've ever had in China, and maybe ever. I don't think #128 works there anymore though.
I've gotten blowjobs at other massage places, but it was because of smooth talking (some with $$ some without $$ rather than simply choosing a service option, so I don't think that type of experience is useful to include for the purpose of this particular post because I want to focus on reliability, convenience, and replication of experience. If anyone can add to this list, it would be great.
GoGreenAndh
09-19-14, 05:21
BJs are not that common at the massage places, and the service may come and go in the same place. Attitude should be nice in a place well managed, if the staff greet you loudly, chances are the employees are well trained and managed, and they get fined by the management if complained by the customers. Do not need to remember the girls' numbers, they come and go in a few months.
You may have a cheap BJ too with quickie ladies (called Quai Chan, literally Fast Food in English), but the service is often not good, with a black face and very rushed. There is no way you can complain, and these fast food girls can dare to quarrel with customers, mamasans and touts. Fast food girls are hard to manage.
GoGreenAndh
09-19-14, 05:45
Xiang Xi Cun is an aggressive type of place, the girls can talk to the men themselves without assistance from pimps. Unlike massage places, the Street girls have the discretion to choose her customers. These quick girls also want their customers to be fast so they can do more customers per day. The price has been 150 for many years, if you talk to pimps they may sometimes say 200 or 250 for some of the girls, asked them why more expensive, they said because that girl is very pretty.
Other places for a quick meal can be standard 100 or 50, expect 50 places to be dark, small, no service, short time and frequented by poor men.
If they go to your room, it is 200 and quick time as well. And take note it may take ages for her to finally arrive.
Many of these girls hate their job, little smile once you entered the room, and do not hide this feeling from their customers.
In fact, I believe that the main reason for a WG refusing a foreigner, is they think that he will be too much hard work because he will have a big Xiao didi, and last longer than a few minutes!
Normally for foreigners, the mamas / papas offer 300, which is then negotiated down to perhaps 150. Because you are Chinese, they ask 150, but even this is, of course, negotiable.
400 is a pretty average price and not particularly cheap. The meaning of your reference to the touts is not clear.
You may be asked for twice (not triple) the price that Chinese are asked. This is the starting point for negotiations. For example, A Chinese may be asked for 150 but negotiates down to 100. A white guy may be asked for 300, but negotiates down to 150. This is not a bad foreigner surcharge in comparison to many places in Asia, where even hotel prices are hugely inflated for foreigners.
Cheers.
Donuts Galore
09-19-14, 05:55
I've read the recent forum posts about blowjobs service at the massage places in Shenzhen and I wanted to start a list of them because they are harder to find than I thought. My goal is to get a kind of database of places, girls, and prices of places that offer the blowjob service as an option (and not something you pay extra to the girl for).
I've tried the Perthden in Luohu and Blue World Flower (rough translation from Chinese) in Futian a few times each.
I think Perthden is OK, but inconsistent in the service aspects. I've had two girls give me a BBBJ but only one allowed a CIM, and a third girl only allowed a CBJ. The massages range from terrible to OK. Attitude was nice and friendly among all the girls and looks varied from 5-6 with nobody special looking but perhaps if I continue going there, I'll find more attractive ones. I don't remember any girls numbers because they were not really worth remembering..I forgot to add that both places charge 300 RMB all inclusive. Actually, I think it's 298 RMB but I always leave 300 and tell the front desk girl, "keep the change for being so beautiful" and I either get laughs or a glare.
GoGreenAndh
09-19-14, 06:28
Bars with girls employed by the establishments, not the big luxury hostess nightclub type.
Asked the entrance staff some questions, was lead to greet the manager with some Questions&Answered, was showed around inside the place.
This place charges RMB288 per room for a small room, which can seat 8 people, other similar places in the city may charge like 200-600 per room. RMB50 customary tip for the single waiter / waitress assigned to your room. Can stay in the room until the bar closes at 4 am, and your stay is not timed. Beers are not overpriced and other alcoholic drinks are more expensive. Was shown to a room with door opened, full of girls in normal clothing. Was told no need to pay for the girls' accompany in the bar and tipping them is optional, which I doubted. Girls can sing karaoke, drink, chat and play dices with customers. They probably can send a few girls to each room, not just 1 girl for a few customers. Any business should be done outside of the place, do not ask the bar about other services. Was not interested to know the charges of the girls' services, experiences are they aren't very expensive and we can always refuse them if negotiations is not OK. Said thank you and left since should not go alone to these places, better go with some friends because of the charges. Charges are reasonable if go with more people, but do be careful of any hidden charges, go to a reputable or familiar ones. And you need to speak Chinese if you are to flirt, no need to speak if you are to fxxk, body languages will work.
Sounds cool. Where is this place? Post here or PM me. THANKS!
Bars with girls employed by the establishments, not the big luxury hostess nightclub type.
Asked the entrance staff some questions, was lead to greet the manager with some Questions&Answered, was showed around inside the place.
This place charges RMB288 per room for a small room, which can seat 8 people, other similar places in the city may charge like 200-600 per room. RMB50 customary tip for the single waiter / waitress assigned to your room. Can stay in the room until the bar closes at 4 am, and your stay is not timed. Beers are not overpriced and other alcoholic drinks are more expensive. Was shown to a room with door opened, full of girls in normal clothing. Was told no need to pay for the girls' accompany in the bar and tipping them is optional, which I doubted. Girls can sing karaoke, drink, chat and play dices with customers. They probably can send a few girls to each room, not just 1 girl for a few customers. Any business should be done outside of the place, do not ask the bar about other services. Was not interested to know the charges of the girls' services, experiences are they aren't very expensive and we can always refuse them if negotiations is not OK. Said thank you and left since should not go alone to these places, better go with some friends because of the charges. Charges are reasonable if go with more people, but do be careful of any hidden charges, go to a reputable or familiar ones. And you need to speak Chinese if you are to flirt, no need to speak if you are to fxxk, body languages will work.
Anybody want to meet up for coffee and war stories at luohu starbucks. Next to 85? I will be there tomorrow. Sunday at noon.
So much fun and pussy around here.
The Blue World Flower is very consistent with all girls giving BBBJ + CIM. The massages range from OK to great. Attitude was nice and friendly among all the girls and looks varied from 4-8 with some relatively attractive girls, though usually they are busy and you need to reserve them ahead of time. #66 and #128 are average looking but give the best blowjobs I've ever had in China, and maybe ever. I don't think #128 works there anymore though.
Where is Blue World Flower located? I tried doing a search and found nothing? Any biz card, phone number or address? Thanks.
Bars with girls employed by the establishments, not the big luxury hostess nightclub type.{S N I P} I am aware that there are bars with karaoke rooms attached. I went to one a number of years ago in Bao'an (before I joined ISG). Probably many here are aware of their existence as they have been written about a couple of times before.
To increase the relevancy of your post I suggest that you include the name and address of the bar. Otherwise, members will not be interested in your posts, and probably doubt the truthfulness of your writing. Additionally, state whether your experiences are pre or post 2104 CNY crackdown.
I know that a few people claim that to post the name and address of a place will only attract the attention of the police. In my opinion that is absolute crap! Do you really think that the police do not know the location of these places (where they are probably getting monthly corruption money)?
It would certainly be appreciated if you could at least identify the streets where these bars are located.
Additionally some of your other posts here are purely written from the POV of a Chinese punter, without stating this fact. For example, many prices you quote are prices for Chinese, not foreigners This could mislead many non-Chinese members here.
WRT your posts on OWL's Shenzhen forum, I found them extremely difficult to understand. I did not know whether you were referring to WGs or Non-WGs. And if WGs, were you referring to BBS, MP, SPA / Sauna, KTV, FL girls etc. And if non-WGS, were they met casually or from dating sites. I would either generally agree or strongly disagree with you statements you made, depending on my assumption of the type of girl you were writing about.
For example, you wrote "All the girls I know in China are with relatively little education and little English. Some are divorced or de facto single in their 20's, they married and broke up early, most married before have 1 child. They showed me cute pics of their kids. Come to the cities from inland provinces working to feed their little children, and would like to meet some men for help in the city." What sort of girls are you writing about? Few classy KTV or BBS girls have had babies. And most non-WGs girls in SZ also have not had babies (some would have had abortions). On the other hand, if you were perusing girls in their 20's on dating sites, then a higher proportion would have had a child. But in these cases, many would have had reasonable educations.
Thank you for you posts, but please be more specific and reread your draft posts from the POV of a non-Chinese to help minimise misunderstanding.
BTW, Chantik on the HK forum, is an extremely well respected WG, and her posts are always appreciated and have always proven to be 100% accurate.
Cheers.
Bars with girls employed by the establishments, not the big luxury hostess nightclub type. {S N I P} I further recommend that less experienced members here read Shanghai Guide's fortuitously written post yesterday warning of the dangers of these type of establishments. Only go to these bars if you are being taken by a person who is highly experienced and has been to the bar before.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?945-East-China-Shanghai&p=1623220&viewfull=1#post1623220
Shanghai, fortunately has not suffered the ignominious fate of Dongguan and many other places (its leaders are in the correct political faction), but the prices there are extremely expensive compared to what punters in South China were accustomed.
Seems mongering in Shenzhen is more challenging. I've visited 8 times, finally settled on an in-call, Sasha, took her the past five trips (. At the time I thought she was the best multiple-position Chinese woman I'd met, since have found better but if anyone wants to avoid the bars and KTV, want to try Sasha PM me, I'll provide digits. I've previously posted about her a few times so you can search the forum for details. I've not been to SZ for almost one year so I hope I'm giving good, pertinent advice, just trying to help a brother out!
Seems mongering in Shenzhen is more challenging. I've visited 8 times, finally settled on an in-call, Sasha, took her the past five trips (. At the time I thought she was the best multiple-position Chinese woman I'd met, since have found better but if anyone wants to avoid the bars and KTV, want to try Sasha PM me, I'll provide digits. I've previously posted about her a few times so you can search the forum for details. I've not been to SZ for almost one year so I hope I'm giving good, pertinent advice, just trying to help a brother out!I will be in Shen Zhen this November. I hope action is decent. If not it does not matter because then I am off to Thailand. I have my fingers crossed.
PukiMonster
09-24-14, 09:04
I arrived in Shenzhen (to live and work) just before that fateful day in February this year (and don't blame me for those catastrophic events).
I expected to read of which RNT places offered good service, which saunas were not vegie places but had the sexiest girls, where all the BBS action was, and which KTVs were reliable and had hot girls for takeout. If a newbie read the posts here, he would conclude that the city was drier than a nun's vagina (apart from the usual few BBSs, and a few hotel saunas).
Today, there is no new information appearing here. And do not blame it on the crackdown. I read all the SZ posts going back to before 2006 and learnt that even in those days, the SZ posts were not that frequent compared to other China forums (Donnguan, Zhuhai etc even Shanghai). You would get a few posts about ShaZui, The Seibu, and one or two other posts. There are maybe 25,000 to 40,000 expats here in SZ but only 2 or 3 are ISG members. Do they all live in Shekou (even Chicken Street seems a non-event these days). Even OAH appears to have retired back to his home country.
Read the Shanghai forum. There is a continuous stream of posts about new places to try, constant posts about new places, opinions about our hobby. The SZ forum itself here is bereft of news apart from one or 2 places getting repeated mentions.
In recent times I think that the SZ forum was only sustained by the incredible vitriolic rages of LukeSkyWalker. Maybe someone caused him to self immolate by calling him Loose Stool Water in response to his habit of calling other posters stupid names. Either that or he just ran out of puff (and BS) and resorted to entertaining us on the PI forums telling us unbelievable stories about the incredible ability of his body to use beer to hydrate himself, the amazing feature advantages of Airbus over Boeing; the dire consequences of Airbus's decision to use fly by wire controls, the culpability of Paramount Pictures in future plane crashes, and how he used to lie on the galley floor so he could look up the dresses of stewardesses. RIP LSW. I for one miss his BS.
So, what remains for the Shenzhen forum? Even Superforce99 (an asian guy) was unable to find action in any places other than the usual few cuns. Only one or two people have written about their experiences in spas and saunas and given guidance how to locate and negotiate there. I found it interesting that Ikksnam mentioned Perthden hotel for probably the first time on the SZ forum. Since then, another 6 or so posters have also recounted their "experiences' at the Perthden. There are literally hundreds of similar hotels to the Perhden. So what does this tell us. Either that the posters were making up stories or were so timid that they would only go to a hotel mentioned in the forum. How many posts have there been recently about the Lotus and other hotels that used to be recommended for FS? Futian sunas / spas are full of action apparently, but the staff do not speak english.
Probably you will think that I am a bludger who wants everything handed to him on a plate. Well, I have attempted to find action at various saunas, massage places, KTVs and have even walked through dozens of cuns between Luohu and Futian. But with little chinese ability and no wingman to give me confidence and guidance, I have just wasted weeks of my life looking for action. I have had dozens of mediocre RNTs, but no BBBJs let alone CIM or COF. So I have nothing to contribute here.
But I don't beleive that SZ is dry. Chinese speaking mongerers would be able to find lots of places and be able to report here. I am sure that there are lots of hotels and KTVs that are full of action. IF members would report here and provide guidance, then I would join ISG and be able to contribute meaningful FRs (and not the Penthouse fantasy reports thatg some write)! SZ is a city of probably 16 million people. I just don't believe that the only BBS action is limited to a couple of apartment building and 3 cuns which are so small, it only takes 2 minutes to walk from one end to the other, and only have maybe 20-30 girls (to service a total population of about 16 million)!
Very sad! And as OAH is so fond of saying "Just my POV" and "Just my 2 fens worth".
Chinese gent here. Many english words of you and others are too hard for me.
P4 P (probably mean Pay for Pussies), a term I learnt by reading forums in english, are still quite many in SZ, in all towns and districts.
Been in and out of SZ for 7+ years now and tried most of the different forms of pay services and have experiences with different types of working girls.
Growing up receiving red envelopes on chinese new years and not talking randomly with opposite sex.
Now my focus is shifting to freebies.
Bads-Maybe hard as it is a materialistic society and normal girls are mostly shy.
Good-SZ population is mostly young and from other provinces, and lots of people, some struggling with low income, some very rich business people.
Today, there is no new information appearing here. And do not blame it on the crackdown. I read all the SZ posts going back to before 2006 and learnt that even in those days, the SZ posts were not that frequent compared to other China forums (Donnguan, Zhuhai etc even Shanghai). There are maybe 25,000 to 40,000 expats here in SZ but only 2 or 3 are ISG members. Do they all live in Shekou (even Chicken Street seems a non-event these days). Even OAH appears to have retired back to his home country.
Read the Shanghai forum. There is a continuous stream of posts about new places to try, constant posts about new places, opinions about our hobby. The SZ forum itself here is bereft of news apart from one or 2 places getting repeated mentions.
So, what remains for the Shenzhen forum? Even Superforce99 (an asian guy) was unable to find action in any places other than the usual few cuns. Only one or two people have written about their experiences in spas and saunas and given guidance how to locate and negotiate there. I found it interesting that Ikksnam mentioned Perthden hotel for probably the first time on the SZ forum. Since then, another 6 or so posters have also recounted their "experiences' at the Perthden. There are literally hundreds of similar hotels to the Perhden. So what does this tell us. Either that the posters were making up stories or were so timid that they would only go to a hotel mentioned in the forum. How many posts have there been recently about the Lotus and other hotels that used to be recommended for FS? Futian sunas / spas are full of action apparently, but the staff do not speak english.
Probably you will think that I am a bludger who wants everything handed to him on a plate. Well, I have attempted to find action at various saunas, massage places, KTVs and have even walked through dozens of cuns between Luohu and Futian. But with little chinese ability and no wingman to give me confidence and guidance, I have just wasted weeks of my life looking for action. I have had dozens of mediocre RNTs, but no BBBJs let alone CIM or COF. So I have nothing to contribute here.
But I don't beleive that SZ is dry. Chinese speaking mongerers would be able to find lots of places and be able to report here. I am sure that there are lots of hotels and KTVs that are full of action. IF members would report here and provide guidance, then I would join ISG and be able to contribute meaningful FRs (and not the Penthouse fantasy reports thatg some write)! SZ is a city of probably 16 million people. I just don't believe that the only BBS action is limited to a couple of apartment building and 3 cuns which are so small, it only takes 2 minutes to walk from one end to the other, and only have maybe 20-30 girls (to service a total population of about 16 million)!
Very sad! And as OAH is so fond of saying "Just my POV" and "Just my 2 fens worth".
Chinese speaking mongerers would be able to find lots of places and be able to report here. Yup, that is correct especially in secondary districts.
Mmlouie.
Chinese gent here. Many english words of you and others are too hard for me.
P4 P (probably mean Pay for Pussies), a term I learnt by reading forums in english, are still quite many in SZ, in all towns and districts.
Been in and out of SZ for 7+ years now and tried most of the different forms of pay services and have experiences with different types of working girls.
Growing up receiving red envelopes on chinese new years and not talking randomly with opposite sex.
Now my focus is shifting to freebies.
Bads-Maybe hard as it is a materialistic society and normal girls are mostly shy.
Good-SZ population is mostly young and from other provinces, and lots of people, some struggling with low income, some very rich business people.I agree with you Sogoodbx. I too focus mainly on freebies, and there are so many in SZ. It is incredible to watch the rivers of SYTs pour out of the factories.
I enjoy the thrill of the chase, the rock hard bodies with soft breasts and pink nipples of the girls, and watching these same naive girls blossom as they are gradually introduced to the joys of more mature and romantic sex.
And as I have written previously, other 'Good's are the girls are getting more cultured and better educated. They don't spit on the floor during BBBJ lessons, their hygiene is much improved, they often speak a little English (with a bit of encouragement), and you are unlikely to see, during a doggie session, a worm poke its head out to see what all the banging is about.
But I also enjoy the attentions of the older ladies. I even like holding the soft loving bodies for a change, and welcome the more romantic experience, and their non-materialistic attitudes. It can make for an enjoyable weekend. And during the week, there are always married ladies who crave a bit of attention. My latest lady, lives out near Huangbeiling, but works as a financial planner in Hong Kong (Prince Edward). So she has plenty of time to drop in and see me during the week (if I allow it).
However, I do appreciate that many P4Pers (I like the "Pay for Pussy" expression. I think I will use it instead of the traditional "Pay for Play" acronym!) have different attitudes. They find the chase boring, and the sex often starfish-like, and just want quick action. But don't forget, that I can always fall back to P4P if I too am getting bored or unsuccessful with freebies for some reason! Unfortunately, everything in my life seems to be feast or famine (but less and less famine in China for me) LOL.
Ikks.
P.S. I think in some ways Chinese girls are less shy with foreigners than with Chinese guys. One of my Chinese friends insists that this is true!
Where is Blue World Flower located? I tried doing a search and found nothing? Any biz card, phone number or address? Thanks.No answer from Donuts Galore. No wonder members lose interest in posting here. They simply conclude that the posts are BS, or that the non-responding member is just arrogant or uncaring.
Sounds cool. Where is this place? Post here or PM me. THANKS!Again, no answer (from GoGreenAndh), after 14 posts in 7 days here and in the HK forum.
{S N I P} In recent times I think that the SZ forum was only sustained by the incredible vitriolic rages of LukeSkyWalker. Maybe someone caused him to self immolate by calling him Loose Stool Water in response to his habit of calling other posters stupid names. Either that or he just ran out of puff (and BS) and resorted to entertaining us on the PI forums telling us unbelievable stories about the incredible ability of his body to use beer to hydrate himself, the amazing feature advantages of Airbus over Boeing; the dire consequences of Airbus's decision to use fly by wire controls, the culpability of Paramount Pictures in future plane crashes, and how he used to lie on the galley floor so he could look up the dresses of stewardesses. RIP LSW. I for one miss his BS. {S N I P}I think that LSW rage was partly ignited by you. Although you never named him, you indirectly pointed out some apparent contradictions by a poster (obviously LSW, because he took great offence), and then posted a parody of his writings, highlighting his fake photo:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?946-South-China-Shenzhen&p=1564701&viewfull=1#post1564701
In conclusion I agree that this forum is indeed very quiet! Additionally, I fail to understand why at least one member is planning to travel from the USA to SZ for the express purpose of mongering! There are better places for P4 P for casual tourists (but it is a great place for freebies).
Ikks.
SZ is much much worse than last year. I've been using it generally as a stopping off point in years past to refresh myself before heading up to CP. However, CP is a shadow of its former self. Thank god I decided to add a long stay in Jakarta my new number one destination. Generally the girls I've been getting each day in SZ. CP for the most part I definitely would not have taken in years past. I did manage one actual full sauna experience (100 minutes, 600 rmb, 85 ladies to pick from) but I had to take the subway to the far reaches to of SZ where
a local mongering friend picked me up and proceeded to drive for at least 30 minutes on a toll road. We reached some small town and into a back entrance of a former 4 - 5 star hotel.
Who knows when I could go back. Well I'm hoping things will improve for next year if not then I'll just extend my stay in beautiful Jakarta.
Fast Eddie 48
10-03-14, 08:44
SZ is much much worse than last year. I've been using it generally as a stopping off point in years past to refresh myself before heading up to CP. However, CP is a shadow of its former self. Thank god I decided to add a long stay in Jakarta my new number one destination. Generally the girls I've been getting each day in SZ. CP for the most part I definitely would not have taken in years past. I did manage one actual full sauna experience (100 minutes, 600 rmb, 85 ladies to pick from) but I had to take the subway to the far reaches to of SZ where
a local mongering friend picked me up and proceeded to drive for at least 30 minutes on a toll road. We reached some small town and into a back entrance of a former 4 - 5 star hotel.
Who knows when I could go back. Well I'm hoping things will improve for next year if not then I'll just extend my stay in beautiful Jakarta.
To ABC.
I at SZ now staying at Shekou find some bbs but quality sucks it is holiday now many tourist in town hotel is expensive ，I also stay one day at CP it is a Ghost town there all my contact is gone phone is disconnected ，I will be heading to Singapore and Jarkata next.Week for business action is much better there, China is become a no fun country don't expert it will come back.
Fast eddie 48.
JPBelmondo
10-05-14, 15:36
Newbie to the forum and to China.
Will be in Shenzhen next week. Appreciate any advise on outcall with prices.
I noticed that adds on web are only for massage. Does it mean no full service? Or you pay extra? How much?
Does GFE means the same as here?
Thanks in advance for any additional info.
I arrived in Shenzhen (to live and work) just before that fateful day in February this year (and don't blame me for those catastrophic events).
I expected to read of which RNT places offered good service, which saunas were not vegie places but had the sexiest girls, where all the BBS action was, and which KTVs were reliable and had hot girls for takeout. If a newbie read the posts here, he would conclude that the city was drier than a nun's vagina (apart from the usual few BBSs, and a few hotel saunas).
Today, there is no new information appearing here. And do not blame it on the crackdown. I read all the SZ posts going back to before 2006 and learnt that even in those days, the SZ posts were not that frequent compared to other China forums (Donnguan, Zhuhai etc even Shanghai). You would get a few posts about ShaZui, The Seibu, and one or two other posts. There are maybe 25,000 to 40,000 expats here in SZ but only 2 or 3 are ISG members. Do they all live in Shekou (even Chicken Street seems a non-event these days). Even OAH appears to have retired back to his home country...I will be in Shen Zhen this November. I land at Hong Kong airport. I always hated the fact that I need to pay in Hong Kong dollars to get there by bus then RMB once I am there. Thinking about my trip now. I know that the action is near the train stations. I have only mongered at one station. If action is slow. I will probably try the others. I believe SZ is a gold mine. You just have to know where to look. I just know there are many undiscovered places there.
To ABC.
I at SZ now staying at Shekou find some bbs but quality sucks it is holiday now many tourist in town hotel is expensive ，I also stay one day at CP it is a Ghost town there all my contact is gone phone is disconnected ，I will be heading to Singapore and Jarkata next.Week for business action is much better there, China is become a no fun country don't expert it will come back.
Fast eddie 48.Why are you staying in Shekou? No wonder the quality sucks!
This is obviously the worst time of the year for travel to tourist type places (not that Shekou is a renowned tourist destination). My tourist destination at this time of the year is my loungeroom!
Ikks.
Fast Eddie 48
10-08-14, 16:32
I will be in Shen Zhen this November. I land at Hong Kong airport. I always hated the fact that I need to pay in Hong Kong dollars to get there by bus then RMB once I am there. Thinking about my trip now. I know that the action is near the train stations. I have only mongered at one station. If action is slow. I will probably try the others. I believe SZ is a gold mine. You just have to know where to look. I just know there are many undiscovered places there.To lurker.
You never heard of money changer do you know they will change USD also, I was in SZ just last week and you think it is still a gold mine you been away in your cave too damn long you don't know most bbs and bld around the LowHu station is already torn down with new train staions and condo being bulid you might as well stay home if you have no business in China.
Fast eddie 48.
Fast Eddie 48
10-08-14, 16:38
Why are you staying in Shekou? No wonder the quality sucks!
This is obviously the worst time of the year for travel to tourist type places (not that Shekou is a renowned tourist destination). My tourist destination at this time of the year is my loungeroom!
Ikks.To Ikkman.
I stay at Shekou becasuse of less tourist too damn many people in Lowu area only stay 2 night and take the ferry to Zhu Hai and Macau, you should know being a local now the grass is not much greener in Lowu either, oh well I am in Singapore now paying high priece action here and Jarkata next week for some Cewek actions.
Fast eddie 48.
Tom,
You can pay in RMB at the counters at the HKIA Mainland Limo and Bus area.
Can you help members by telling where and how to look for the for the undiscovered places in Sz?
Also which are the train stations (apart from LoWu) where there is action?Pukimonster,
I will have with me Hong Kong dollars, RMB, USD, and Thai money. So many currencies suck. But it is what it is. I have not been in Shen Zhen for 1 half to two years. I canceled my trip last Sept after the raids. So wait till I go next month and I will tell you what I find. I am sure a lot has changed. This is China and Shen Zhen is huge. Prostitution is a way of life there and is everywhere. The secret to finding this stuff is simple. Go to the hidden areas out of sight. Walk around 3 star hotels. Usually tauts will find you. If you see a street that has a lot of traffic. Go behind those buildings. Because you will see a hole new world back there filled with shops. Now if it suck there and anything is possible. I have a changeable ticket and will just go straight to Thailand early because that is my next stop anyway. After I get burned out from Thailand and China. I will go to Vietnam for 4 days. I really hate putting up with Viet scams and over priced services. But after Thailand. I do not care if nothing really happens in Vietnam.
Pukimonster,
I will have with me Hong Kong dollars, RMB, USD, and Thai money. So many currencies suck. But it is what it is. I have not been in Shen Zhen for 1 half to two years. I canceled my trip last Sept after the raids. So wait till I go next month and I will tell you what I find. I am sure a lot has changed. This is China and Shen Zhen is huge. Prostitution is a way of life there and is everywhere. The secret to finding this stuff is simple. Go to the hidden areas out of sight. Walk around 3 star hotels. Usually tauts will find you. If you see a street that has a lot of traffic. Go behind those buildings. Because you will see a hole new world back there filled with shops. Now if it suck there and anything is possible. I have a changeable ticket and will just go straight to Thailand early because that is my next stop anyway. After I get burned out from Thailand and China. I will go to Vietnam for 4 days. I really hate putting up with Viet scams and over priced services. But after Thailand. I do not care if nothing really happens in Vietnam.You can get RMB at HSBC ATMs at HKIA. Exchange rates are probably the best available. No need for HKD, or USD for China. There, solved your currency suck!
I Look forward to your forum reports.
Ikks.
P.S. The raids were during CNY this year not September last year (it does not make sense if you are referring to September this year - that is a week or so ago).
P. P.S. Be careful in Vietnam as this is your first trip there.
Pukimonster, {S N I P} Prostitution is a way of life there and is everywhere. The secret to finding this stuff is simple. Go to the hidden areas out of sight. Walk around 3 star hotels. Usually tauts will find you. If you see a street that has a lot of traffic. Go behind those buildings. Because you will see a hole new world back there filled with shops. {S N I P} Please reread the following posts from SF99. I don't think that it is so simple.
Even this highly experienced mongerer, living in Shenzhen and speaking fluent Mandarin had great difficulties.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?946-South-China-Shenzhen&p=1578213&viewfull=1#post1578213
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?946-South-China-Shenzhen&p=1581713&viewfull=1#post1581713
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?946-South-China-Shenzhen&p=1587721&viewfull=1#post1587721
What is your secret?
Ikks.
Pukimonster,
I will have with me Hong Kong dollars, RMB, USD, and Thai money. So many currencies suck. But it is what it is. I have not been in Shen Zhen for 1 half to two years. I canceled my trip last Sept after the raids. So wait till I go next month and I will tell you what I find. I am sure a lot has changed. This is China and Shen Zhen is huge. Prostitution is a way of life there and is everywhere. The secret to finding this stuff is simple. Go to the hidden areas out of sight. Walk around 3 star hotels. Usually tauts will find you. If you see a street that has a lot of traffic. Go behind those buildings. Because you will see a hole new world back there filled with shops. Now if it suck there and anything is possible. I have a changeable ticket and will just go straight to Thailand early because that is my next stop anyway. After I get burned out from Thailand and China. I will go to Vietnam for 4 days. I really hate putting up with Viet scams and over priced services. But after Thailand. I do not care if nothing really happens in Vietnam.When I said September. I did not mean last month. It was a year ago around the raid time. I remember being in Thailand instead. The rain and thunderstorms sucked in Thailand. Never thought rain would bother me but nice weather makes a difference.
Team,
I will be in China next month. I do not want my family or asian girlfriend to know I am in Asia they would think I am up to no good. LOL. I was planning on using Viber and google voice. But, just saw this article. Actually there is a lot of these articles but I will post a link to one at bottom. I don't know if we can post links on here. But, what is basically says is all chat and communication apps are being blocked because of Hong Kong protests. I will be F- if I can't communicate back to USA. Is there any guys in China now that have any luck with Viber or google? Is there any way around this? I have Sprint and people from USA with hear the international ringtone if they call me or vice versa. But, I will say Sprint is Crystal clear in China.
P.S. I stopped telling people I travel to China and Thailand years ago. The looks I would get. They just assume guys go there to monger. It is a very bad stereo type.
http://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/blocks-07022014152248.html
When I said September. I did not mean last month. It was a year ago around the raid time. I remember being in Thailand instead. The rain and thunderstorms sucked in Thailand. Never thought rain would bother me but nice weather makes a difference.You needlessly cancelled your trip to SZ. There were no abnormal levels of LE raids around that time. I don't know where you got your information, but it was incorrect. You did not double check here on ISG.
But, what is basically says is all chat and communication apps are being blocked because of Hong Kong protests. Actually, the article only reports that Line, KakaoTalk, and Viber were reported to have stopped working. There are many other apps. Skype and Wechat have not stopped working.
Is there any guys in China now that have any luck with Viber or google? Is there any way around this? Google apps are usually blocked by China over data access and blocking issues. China is also actively protecting its own industries which may influence the blocking of Viber (Japanese competitor).
The article reports that VPN is the solution. However, this is only partially true. And, you will need to load the VPN app whilst outside China.
I have Sprint and people from USA with hear the international ringtone if they call me or vice versa. I have no idea whether or not Sprint injects an 'international' tone when it detects that the called subscriber is roaming internationally. Most mobile carriers no longer do this (good way to increase revenue). And be aware, that if your GPS facility is left turned on, many apps can trace your location.
But, I will say Sprint is Crystal clear in China. One of the determinants of clarity is the quality of service of the Chinese networks. And let me assure you that this is totally independent of your belief that it is because Sprint and China use the same cell sites (manufacturer). This is nonsense from a technical view point, and nonsense from the reality that Chinese carriers use many different suppliers, although primarily from Chinese companies such as Huawei and ZTE. And yes, I do know that Clearwater (Sprint wireless partner) uses 4 G (TD-LTE) Huawei network equipment.
Ikks.
To Ikkman.
I stay at Shekou becasuse of less tourist too damn many people in Lowu area only stay 2 night and take the ferry to Zhu Hai and Macau, you should know being a local now the grass is not much greener in Lowu either, oh well I am in Singapore now paying high priece action here and Jarkata next week for some Cewek actions.
Fast eddie 48.Lucky you. Jakarta seems to be an interesting destination. I have not been to Indonesia since 1984 (apart from Bali, which has its own unique flavour).
Cheers.
Ikksman,
The entire reason I canceled my trip during a September was based on Ikksman reviews saying it is completely dead. So Ikksman is exactly where I got my information. HE lives there so I will take his work for it.
I realize there are other app's. Not to go into details but I will be nit picked every word I say. I have a Chinese girlfriend. I can't not let her know I am going to China because she will obviously want to come with me to see family. That defeats the whole purpose of what I am trying to do. My family and coworkers use Viber. They are not open to adding other apps. I do not want them to know about my Asia trips. I don't not want them knowing I am leaving country. But if other guys what to tell people they are going to Thailand ext more power to them. I got tired of the dirty looks. Yes, you can lie but if they call and heard a Chinese operator ect connect them they will know something is not right. By the way if you google China blocking apps there are many articles saying much more apps are not working with social media.
Sprint does share the same cell tower but at least two years ago there was an international ring tone.
I will do some research and see a way around this problem. There is always a problem in Asia. If the problem is not in China it is in Thailand. Birdflu, riots, ect. Every year. LOL.
Fast Eddie 48
10-10-14, 06:57
Lucky you. Jakarta seems to be an interesting destination. I have not been to Indonesia since 1984 (apart from Bali, which has its own unique flavour).
Cheers.To Ikksman.
China is become a no fun country but the company I work for based in Shenzhen, Jarkata is become one of my favorite city for mongering with Bangkok and Sao paulo the other yes Bali is expensive with too many tourist and most pro are from Jarkata and Java anyway.
Fast eddie 48.
I prefer Shenzhen now. Lots of office girls looking for fun. If you speak Chinese, have some game, it really is heaven. The ratio is still the same, but the class of girls is higher. Just go to Coco Park on any weekend and you will see what I mean. Also, they aren't fooled by HKers throwing around stupid money because they have some money themselves. It reminds me of Seoul in the mid-90's. Nice.
LAMonkey
To Ikksman.
China is become a no fun country but the company I work for based in Shenzhen, Jarkata is become one of my favorite city for mongering with Bangkok and Sao paulo the other yes Bali is expensive with too many tourist and most pro are from Jarkata and Java anyway.
Fast eddie 48.
I prefer Shenzhen now. Lots of office girls looking for fun. If you speak Chinese, have some game, it really is heaven. The ratio is still the same, but the class of girls is higher. Just go to Coco Park on any weekend and you will see what I mean. Also, they aren't fooled by HKers throwing around stupid money because they have some money themselves. It reminds me of Seoul in the mid-90's. Nice.
LAMonkeyTotally agree! Freebie paradise!
Coco Park may be small, but it has more than its share of beauties!
And you do not need to be fluent in Chinese; in fact sharing translations on the one smartphone and chatting in a racy patois of Chinese and English (and sometimes other languages such as Japanese) adds to the experience.
Ikks.
PukiMonster
10-10-14, 15:10
Viber has not had any problems during the recent HK unrest. As always, one journalist publishes a beat-up story and the other media plagiarise and republish without rechecking (bit like some posts here! Haha). For a more balanced report, read the following article:
http://adage.com/article/global-news/china-s-great-firewall-blocking-messaging-apps/294002/
Ikksman,
I can only see your reports when I am not logged in because you blocked me so sorry if I can't remember everything you wrote. The entire reason I canceled my trip during a September was based on Ikksman reviews saying it is completely dead. So Ikksman is exactly where I got my information. HE lives there so I will take his work for it.
I realize there are other app's. Not to go into details but I will be nit picked every word I say. I have a Chinese girlfriend. I can't not let her know I am going to China because she will obviously want to come with me to see family. That defeats the whole purpose of what I am trying to do. My family and coworkers use Viber. They are not open to adding other apps. I do not want them to know about my Asia trips. I don't not want them knowing I am leaving country. But if other guys what to tell people they are going to Thailand ext more power to them. I got tired of the dirty looks. Yes, you can lie but if they call and heard a Chinese operator ect connect them they will know something is not right. By the way if you google China blocking apps there are many articles saying much more apps are not working with social media.
Sprint does share the same cell tower but at least two years ago there was an international ring tone.
I will do some research and see a way around this problem. There is always a problem in Asia. If the problem is not in China it is in Thailand. Birdflu, riots, ect. Every year. LOL.I found your entire post rather confusing, to say the very least!
BTW, Prior to the 2014 CNY yanda, I never wrote any posts saying Shenzhen was dead due to LE raids or any other reason. In fact, I was not even posting to ISG during this period!
Fast Eddie 48
10-11-14, 10:38
I prefer Shenzhen now. Lots of office girls looking for fun. If you speak Chinese, have some game, it really is heaven. The ratio is still the same, but the class of girls is higher. Just go to Coco Park on any weekend and you will see what I mean. Also, they aren't fooled by HKers throwing around stupid money because they have some money themselves. It reminds me of Seoul in the mid-90's. Nice.
LAMonkeyTo LA.
I just don't have the time for that dating site and freebie take alot of time, if you are a local like IKKsman you can do this yes I do speak chinese my mandarin is just ok.
Fast eddie 48.
I am travelling to Hong Kong & China from 9 days from 29th. Will be in HK for the weekend before I move to China Shenzhen for 3 days. I am attending an exhibition at Hong Kong Convention and Exhibition Centre. I have to book a hotel still, Tickets done. Any girl friendly hotel recommend to book will also be helpful. Basically I am in China Shenzen and will be going to Guangzhou for work, any help with girls in call to hotel or massage parlors or any kind of help to places where good service is recommended will be great ly appreciated. I am on a budget so don't want anything hifi. Basically cheap and good. I am a regular contributor on the Delhi (India) Forum and can help with Bangkok as well.
Waiting for Pms.
Thanks in advance.
Steven Jones
10-17-14, 05:39
I am travelling to Hong Kong & China from 9 days from 29th. Will be in hk for the weekend before I move to China shenzen for 3 days. I am attending an exhibition at Hong Kong Convention and Exhibition Centre. I have to book a hotel still, Tickets done. Any girl friendly hotel recommend to book will also be helpful. Basically I am in China Shenzen and will be going to Guangzhou for work, any help with girls in call to hotel or massage parlors or anykind of help to places where gud service is recommended will be great ly appreciated. I am on a budget so don't want anything hifi. Basically cheap and gud. I am a regular contributor on the Delhi (India) Forum and can help with Bangkok as well.
Waiting for Pms.
Thanks in advance.Follow the advice of Ikksman here and you won't go wrong. I'm also going to pm you some details from my time there.
Usually, I like to spend a bit of time with a girl but on my last trip to Shenzhen I had a frantic round of meetings and appointments so a quick shag was the order of the day. The Panglin Plaza hotel is on the busy Jiabin Road that runs west toward King Glory Plaza. But it continues east as a minor road and if you walk about 100 m down there there is a lane on the left and off this lane are some alleys with WGs. This takes some nerve as they are quite dark but there are people about apart from the WGs.
So off I went, while "checking emails and getting ready for dinner", as we say. Some of the girls ignored me, I guess they don't like foreigners, but there was one beauty there who did talk to me. We agreed RMB 300 and went to an apartment above where she was waiting. This place needed a lick of paint and would not win any prizes for decor but it was clean enough. Quick cuddle, off with our kit, on the bed, condom on and covered BJ. Then sex in a couple of positions, quick clean up get dressed and back over the road to my hotel to finish my emails.
Very muck a quicky, but she was very good looking, dressed or not, and, as it was all I had time for, OK in the circumstances.
Steven Jones
10-17-14, 19:58
Usually, I like to spend a bit of time with a girl but on my last trip to Shenzhen I had a frantic round of meetings and appointments so a quick shag was the order of the day. The Panglin Plaza hotel is on the busy Jiabin Road that runs west toward King Glory Plaza. But it continues east as a minor road and if you walk about 100 m down there there is a lane on the left and off this lane are some alleys with WGs. This takes some nerve as they are quite dark but there are people about apart from the WGs.
So off I went, while "checking emails and getting ready for dinner", as we say. Some of the girls ignored me, I guess they don't like foreigners, but there was one beauty there who did talk to me. We agreed RMB 300 and went to an apartment above where she was waiting. This place needed a lick of paint and would not win any prizes for decor but it was clean enough. Quick cuddle, off with our kit, on the bed, condom on and covered BJ. Then sex in a couple of positions, quick clean up get dressed and back over the road to my hotel to finish my emails.
Very muck a quicky, but she was very good looking, dressed or not, and, as it was all I had time for, OK in the circumstances.That sounds like Xian xi Cun, was it behind fish street?
That sounds like Xian xi Cun, was it behind fish street?I don't think so. I don't usually stay in this area so I'm not sure.
Steven Jones
10-19-14, 18:12
I don't think so. I don't usually stay in this area so I'm not sure.Okay cool. As long as you had fun!
I rarely post about my active freebie lifestyle, but this encounter was truly memorable. I met this very young 19 yo 158 cm beauty when I was walking on Renmin Sth Rd towards King Glory Plaza. Actually, she initiated the contact giving me a very slight shy smile when I glanced at her. Naturally, I responded with a smile and stopped to chat with her. She was on her rostered day off, and not doing anything in particular.
We ended up having lunch together at the Taiwanese restaurant at the top of KGP (the level above the health club). During lunch, she agreed to hang out with me at my apartment and go out shopping later. Definitely a good sign!
Going down on the escalators, she turned around to me (I was higher up on the step behind) and I gently touched her shoulders. She did not object, and then seemed quite comfortable with me running the tips of my fingers just below the neckline of her top. On the next escalator, I moved my touches a step up (down actually haha), and was able to briefly caress her nipples with the back of my fingers (there were few people around on the upper levels of KGP). Many smaller breasted Chinese girls seem to wear a bra that is one size too big. Never mind, it makes things easier for us perverts.
She later said "I can't believe that I let you touch my breasts". I said "You let me touch your nipples! She seemed genuinely shocked. Haha!
We grabbed a taxi on Jiabin Rd at the bus stop and went to my apartment. There she demurely sat on a chair next to me while we used a laptop in the office. We shifted to the couch to drink some tea, and I brushed the hair away from her neck and kissed her neck and shoulders. She immediately responded and when I nibbled her ear, she went crazy, but would not let me get near the objective of man's desire.
Anyway, I suggest a short siesta after the big lunch and she readily agreed. Wow! I soon discovered she was a natural white tiger, one of those rare endangered species that are so near to my heart.
Nearly four hours later, after extended DATY (initially strongly resisted) and three ear-shattering bangs, this little screamer finally lapsed into a light sleep and I continued caressing her absolutely perfect body. (shit, I sound like LukeSW haha). Her skin was so white, almost transparent, and totally unflawed. A real porcelain doll. And her little A cups had those puffy semi-inverted nipples that I love.
We never did go shopping! She did not stay the night but we had one more extended love making session during the evening.
Why I am writing this Penthouse forum stuff? Because I want to boast! I have not been able to have sex 4 times during an almost 8 hour period for more than twenty years. And no V or see! She really turned me on, a real white tiger. And me, a 65 yo guy, would never be able to pick up and bang such a perfect young thing back in Australia (except once with a Chinese student). Shenzhen really is paradise!
I also expect to get some critical hate mail as usual from those guys who seem to think that I act improperly and don't understand Chinese ways etc, etc. Guess what? I don't care. I am doing this again. She appears to genuinely want to see me again! Chinese girls don't write hot, sexy love messages (in my experience), but there are enchanting hints in this girl's Wechat messages. Now the only problem is balancing my dalliances with 2 regular girls (I had to ring my housekeeper to come early the next day and repair the bedroom damage). Maybe I need some tips from FreebieFan. Maybe I need to photograph the whole apartment after each girl's visit to be able to restore the exact environment next time. Ah, what problems!
Ikks.
Fast Eddie 48
10-22-14, 17:04
I found your entire post rather confusing, to say the very least!
BTW, Prior to the 2014 CNY yanda, I never wrote any posts saying Shenzhen was dead due to LE raids or any other reason. In fact, I was not even posting to ISG during this period!To Ikksman.
Too much excuse for the Lurker if I tell him to stay home not to come to China will HE listen to me, don't worry HE will find some other reason not to come because HE is just a lurker,I am in Jakrata right now waiting for my flight back to HK guess what all them turkey are no show Menteng try to contact Joel Goodsen no answer and traveler 1234 and Master diver cannot make the trip either not sure who is for real anymore.
Fast eddie 48.
To IKKSMAN.
Too much excuse for the Lurker if I tell him to stay home not to come to China will HE listen to me, don't worry HE will find some other reason not to come because HE is just a lurker,I am in Jakrata right now waiting for my flight back to HK guess what all them turkey are no show Menteng try to contact Joel Goodsen no answer and traveler 1234 and Master diver cannot make the trip either not sure who is for real anymore.
Fast eddie 48.Hi Eddie,
I was simply politely giving him the opportunity to explain himself. Posters here can make up their own minds about him!
Ikks.
No need to expose fools, they expose themselves.
Viber has not had any problems during the recent HK unrest. As always, one journalist publishes a beat-up story and the other media plagiarise and republish without rechecking (bit like some posts here! Haha). For a more balanced report, read the following article:
http://adage.com/article/global-news/china-s-great-firewall-blocking-messaging-apps/294002/Thank you Pukimonster.
I leave next week landing in Hong Kong just to change planes. I decided not to do Shen Zhen this trip out of fear of viber, google voice mail being cut off. I will try again after Hong Kong protests end and China gov is not going after social apps. Like I mentioned I have a Chinese girlfriend and can't get caught going to China without her. Maybe I could get away with it but not worth the risk. I am instead going straight to Thailand and then Vietnam.
I was in Thailand a year ago in Sept. Thailand was rainy and slow. I should have picked China then. Because not long after I got back home the raids started in China I can't remember the month. There is always an issue going on in Asia. But I do prefer China as best place to monger.
To IKKSMAN.
Too much excuse for the Lurker if I tell him to stay home not to come to China will HE listen to me, don't worry HE will find some other reason not to come because HE is just a lurker, {S N I P} Fast eddie 48.Haha! Prophetic words!
Reminds me of Red Kilt's words to the Lurker's now departed associate / supporter "Experienced visitors and residents like me know that many of your comments are just plain silly".
Ikks.
P.S. For the interest of others:
1. Viber has not had, does not have and is extremely unlikely to have any restrictions in China.
2. Google Voicemail services are restricted to continental USA. Nothing to do with China.
3. Forwarding services to Skype solves many problems.
I thought it might be useful (and also address TomSf's fears) to provide more information about forwarding Google Voice to Skype when in China (or anywhere else outside Continental USA).
The solution is relatively simple. Buy a Skype Online Number ($60 / yr or $18 / qtr), and enter the number in "Add Another Phone" in Google Voice and activate according to the instructions. Thus all Google Voice calls go to Skype and access via laptop / tablet / cell phone. You could even forward your Skype call to your local China cell phone. Wow!
For simple step by step instructions see this Lifehacker article "How to Make Skype Play Nicely with Google Voice".
http://lifehacker.com/5878980/how-to-make-skype-play-nicely-with-google-voice
Cheers.
Hi guys,
First time posting in this forum (registered an account when I was researching Japan info a while ago).
I moved to Shenzhen right after the sandstorm beginning of this year, I have been monitoring the Hong Kong forum about action in China also. Although I am very new to the hobby I might be able to help with getting by with internet in China.
1. Viber has not had, does not have and is extremely unlikely to have any restrictions in China.Viber is blocked, at least with China telecom Guandong.
All google service has been blocked by China since May 2014, and the block is most likely permanent.
If you have Google voice for voice mail purpose your best bet is to forward to a non google email.
If the social app is blocked right now, chances are they will not be unblocked.
Having a Skype online number helps, but it is not exactly cheap for the purpose, and if you are forwarding it to a local China cellphone you might as well giveaway your China phone number (most ringtone are enhanced with Chinese music).
There are many ways to work around the restricted / bad internet in China, but most of them requires a few coin to do so.
Situation in SZ (from other source).
P4P in Shenzhen is slowly recovering. There are a few sauna (MP) reopen in Lohu area. FS is still somewhat hidden and limited, without contact you try some neighborhood to get a quickie up the building, but I was told most return disappointed. KTV is another option but expect to pay 4 digit after including KTV and drinks.
I was told by a few locals that there will be one more huge crackdown before the year ends. Most advise to conduct P4P activity elsewhere.
{S N I P} Viber is blocked, at least with China telecom Guandong.
All google service has been blocked by China since May 2014, and the block is most likely permanent.
If you have Google voice for voice mail purpose your best bet is to forward to a non google email.
If the social app is blocked right now, chances are they will not be unblocked.
Having a Skype online number helps, but it is not exactly cheap for the purpose, and if you are forwarding it to a local China cellphone you might as well giveaway your China phone number (most ringtone are enhanced with Chinese music). {S N I P}Hi Belinik,
Welcome!
WRT Viber (which I don't use, so I cannot test), a colleague of mine uses continuously, and he assures me there has been no interruption to service.
Nonetheless, the Skype solution was for TomSf, a possible tourist, who wanted to hide the fact that he was in China from his family and GF (who use Viber and Google Voicemail to contact him). So this solution would work irrespective of China banning these apps. I thought it may possibly be useful for others.
China is very unlikely to ever ban Skype because it is used so extensively by international businesses operating in China.
BTW Skype, Viber and others have all quietly handed over their encryption keys to China to facilitate their monitoring of communications. Google did not cave in to China's demands so they were effectively banned, although a few Google products apparently work intermittently. China also demanded that Google censor certain search words and phrases at China's request (like they do with Baidu).
I am not American, so I could be wrong, but I thought that Google Voicemail only operated on USA Cell phone numbers with USA Telcos within continental USA. But anyway, obviously no use to those of us who live in China.
Cheers.
P.S. You raise an interesting point when you write China Telecom, Guangdong. It is not uncommon for different telcos to offer different products and services from province to province. So what may work in one province, may not work elsewhere. And I have always used China Unicom as there has always been compatibility with HK and Australian 3G services and iPhones were available and worked correctly (it was the only Telco that did).
Need some help! Not sure whether this is the best place to post or not, but here goes.
I intend to visit Huizhou for a couple of days (midweek) and hope to try some saunas there, as Huizhou is supposed to the place to be! But there is precious little information on ISG.
To say that there is action in Huizhou is like saying there is action in Shenzhen. Both are prefecture level cities. And there is a distinct lack of clarity whether the desirable saunas are in or near the Huizhou CBD (in Huicheng district) or at Danshui (in Huiyang district), or both places!
Danshui is a subdistrict of Huiyang, in the same way that Dongmen is a subdistrict of Louhu. Danshui is maybe 20 km south of Huizhou CBD (railway station). In fact Danshui is much closer to Longgang than Huizhou CBD.
If there was action in Huizhou CBD I would take train from Shenzhen Bei. If only action in Danshui, then bus would be the better option (it would be ridiculous going via ChangPing and using the travel agency bus service).
Can anyone provide more precise information regarding the locations and names of appropriate saunas or hotels with saunas (PM me if you like)? BTW I have made note of the Hao Yi Kang International Hotel in Danshui.
Cheers.
FreebieFan
10-29-14, 08:32
. Now the only problem is balancing my dalliances with 2 regular girls (I had to ring my housekeeper to come early the next day and repair the bedroom damage). Maybe I need some tips from FreebieFan. Maybe I need to photograph the whole apartment after each girl's visit to be able to restore the exact environment next time. Ah, what problems!
Ikks.Hi Ikks. Yes you will no doubt get hate mail including the " why are you making stuff up " type posts from those who still live with Mommy / Daddy.
Its always good when an unplanned encounter turns into something wonderful. Its like Spring, visiting early, good for all the senses.
Keep looking. And you will indeed keep finding. Life equally good in BJ, but like you, but no real need to share the experiences.
We know who we are, and we know what we do.
Fast Eddie 48
10-29-14, 15:46
Need some help! Not sure whether this is the best place to post or not, but here goes.
I intend to visit Huizhou for a couple of days (midweek) and hope to try some saunas there, as Huizhou is supposed to the place to be! But there is precious little information on ISG.
To say that there is action in Huizhou is like saying there is action in Shenzhen. Both are prefecture level cities. And there is a distinct lack of clarity whether the desirable saunas are in or near the Huizhou CBD (in Huicheng district) or at Danshui (in Huiyang district), or both places!
Danshui is a subdistrict of Huiyang, in the same way that Dongmen is a subdistrict of Louhu. Danshui is maybe 20 km south of Huizhou CBD (railway station). In fact Danshui is much closer to Longgang than Huizhou CBD.
If there was action in Huizhou CBD I would take train from Shenzhen Bei. If only action in Danshui, then bus would be the better option (it would be ridiculous going via ChangPing and using the travel agency bus service).
Can anyone provide more precise information regarding the locations and names of appropriate saunas or hotels with saunas (PM me if you like)? BTW I have made note of the Hao Yi Kang International Hotel in Danshui.
Cheers.To Ikksman.
That is not true at all I was in Huizhou for one night last week to visit friend a few ISG member are posting that I will be next CP why the central government clean up the infamous town of CP and allow HUIZHOU sauna and KTV offer FS , only Naive member will believe that I go there 5 time a yr there are over 500 sauna in that area include Huiyang and Danshi have FS as cheap as 208 rmb about 5 yr ago most have closed down some are only offer HJ only now and some KTV have a some girl but offer to regular customer only, the crack down is for the whole Guangdong province and most of China I know one Naive member in Dongguan post Huizhou will be the next CP don't where is he getting that info from.
Fast eddie 48.
I'm going to echo Fast Eddie's comment. There are still action around, only if you know have contact (yes even in CP).
SZ has much more population compare to Huizhou, I personally will not put either into comparison.
A warning to all who engage activity in Shenzhen, there are multiple reports in other forum that KO is about to deliver another blow in Guandong, Some reported even 'normal proper' sauna in Lohu is asking day time customer to register their ID.
Just check again, yesterday night the whole & (Shazui) got hit. Although it is only from one source (since it was posted 3 hours ago) I think it is creditable.
I guess if you take the girl up your apartment it is fine, but I would avoid KTV and sauna for now.
Why do you prefer China as the best place to monger, especially after the unprecedented recent problems?Kitsune9,
I need to add. I have not been to ShenZhen since the crackdown. I currently am in Thailand. I will write my first day trip report for Thailand today and as soon as it gets approved you can check that out. Prostitution is a huge part of Chinese culture. Anytime I have been there it was everywhere. In Shanghai I would get escort agency cards dropped in front of my room and I was at a 3-4 star hotel which was awesome. Shen Zhen was awesome the times I was there. Because a taut or manager finds you. That you to an apartment building. You wait in an apartment and the manager keeps calling girls until you find one you like. Now these girls AR 18-24 years old. Many extremely hot. I would leave the apt and go to the elevator and another taut would grab me to show me her girls. It was really hard to walk 15 feet without getting grabbed.
In China the rooms are cleaner. Hot woman can be got for $200 RMB which is like $30 USD. China does not have a insect problem like Thailand ect.
I will add. China woman can be expensive too. It all depends exactly where you are in China. Service will very like anything. If you can speak some Chinese it will help with service. If you are paying 200 RMB and can't speak a word of Chinese. You might not be happy with the service. You need to make a connection with these girls and if you can't even talk with them. Then its hard.
Hi guys,
First time posting in this forum (registered an account when I was researching Japan info a while ago).
I moved to Shenzhen right after the sandstorm beginning of this year, I have been monitoring the Hong Kong forum about action in China also. Although I am very new to the hobby I might be able to help with getting by with internet in China.
Viber is blocked, at least with China telecom Guandong.
All google service has been blocked by China since May 2014, and the block is most likely permanent.
If you have Google voice for voice mail purpose your best bet is to forward to a non google email.
If the social app is blocked right now, chances are they will not be unblocked...Belinik,
Nice post. I was just at Hong Kong airport. I tested Viber to see if it worked. The good news was Viber did work. If it worked in Hong Kong I assume it will work in Shen Zhen and other parts of China. I need to stop at Hong Kong airport after I leave Thailand. I am very tempted to do a two day trip in Shen Zhen to check out the action. IF I am not too burned out from Thailand and Vietnam. I found skype so so in China. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I guess this will also depend on the WiFi speed of the hotel you are staying at. If you are spending top dollar of a 5 star. Skpe may be better.
To Ikksman.
That is not true at all I was in Huizhou for one night last week to visit friend a few ISG member are posting that iwiill be next CP why the central government clean up the imfamous town of CP and allow HUIZHOU sauna and KTV offer FS , only Naive member will believe that I go there 5 time a yr there are over 500 sauna in that area include Huiyang and Danshi have FS as cheap as 208 rmb about 5 yr ago most have closed down some are only offer HJ only now and some KTV have a some girl but offer to regular customer only, the crack down is for the whole Guangdong province and most of China I know one Naive member in Dongguan post Huizhou will be the next CP don't where is he getting that info from.
Fast eddie 48.Hi Eddie,
Thanks for the information. Did you go to Danshui, or just Huicheng (the Huizhou CBD district)? Yes, the whole of Huizhou was hit as hard as Dongguan in the last yanda. And no, I don't believe that Huizhou is the new CP.
ISO9000 has reported, a number of times, that some KTVs are operating in low key mode and all saunas are closed. ISO9000 runs tours to Huizhou KTVs. He names the KTVs in his tours as Galaxy, Noble, and Desert Storm. I think these are fictional names. And if I remember rightly, he writes that the girls can be taken back to CP hotels (where the tours are based).
I believe that Desert Storm KTV is actually the Manheng Dayton Garden Hotel in Longxi town, Boluo county, just off the Jiguang Expressway, near the older Foxconn factory. This is in the sticks, a fair way way west of Huizhou CBD. There is actually has a full flower street daily. This information is available on the internet.
However, I have heard from other sources that a few new saunas are operational in Huizhou and the full range of special services are available. But I don't know where they are, and this is the information I am seeking. Bloody difficult to find unless one has a lot of time, is Chinese, and can get hooked into the local scene.
Cheers.
P.S. I have received one PM from a member with some interesting info. If I go to Huizhou, I will investigate and report via PM to interested bona fide members.
Belinik,
Nice post. I was just at Hong Kong airport. I tested Viber to see if it worked. The good news was Viber did work. If it worked in Hong Kong I assume it will work in Shen Zhen and other parts of China. I need to stop at Hong Kong airport after I leave Thailand. I am very tempted to do a two day trip in Shen Zhen to check out the action. IF I am not too burned out from Thailand and Vietnam. I found skype so so in China. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I guess this will also depend on the WiFi speed of the hotel you are staying at. If you are spending top dollar of a 5 star. Skpe may be better.Not sure how I miss your post, possibly it's due to how the forum is moderated.
Although Hong Kong is part of China does not function the same as China (Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong). Whatever works in Hong Kong does not mean it will work in China (note: facebook, twitter and youtube work in Hong Kong, but in China they do not unless you work some magic into it), I notice your last visit is before the crack down. Things has changed since then I will install viber on my phone and check China mobile and unicom later. Will report back in a day or 2.
Given what I gathered yesterday night (about a possible major crackdown happening due to news media spilling KTV's secret, I would suggest reconsider the trip down to sz. Perhaps other area in China may be better. But my hobby experience in China is almost non-existent (I arrived Shenzhen after the crackdown. Go figure).
Skype works OK if you install the China version, if you use the international version then they do not work as well.
Ikksman, good luck on your trip to Huizhou, hopefully you might be able to discover the secret gold mine!
{S N I P}I believe that Desert Storm KTV is actually the Manheng Dayton Garden Hotel in Longxi town, Boluo county, just off the Jiguang Expressway, near the older Foxconn factory. This is in the sticks, a fair way way west of Huizhou CBD. There is actually has a full flower street daily. This information is available on the internet. {S N I P} Apologies, the name of the hotel is wrong. I copied the wrong translation for 曼 亨 顿 花 园 酒 店 màn hēng dùn huāyuán jiǔdiàn.
The hotel English name is Marhenton Garden Hotel, sometimes called the Mangenton Garden Hotel.
But there is a genuine flower street parade. Impossible to get a decent hotel room there at weekends, but if you go midweek, book ahead, and negotiate one of their better rooms on the higher floors, then it would be a fun trip.
Ikks.
Hi Belinik,
Great to see you taking an active interest in the forum.
I'm going to echo Fast Eddie's comment. There are still action around, only if you know have contact (yes even in CP).Yes, of course there is lots and lots of action everywhere. But it can be difficult (post yanda) for laowai's to participate if they don't speak Chinese, are new to SZ, or are only visitors. This is of course apart from the usual few haunts in Luohu and using escort type WGs. Western Laowais are only a tiny percentage of foreign mongerers in SZ. The great majority are Hongkongese and Taiwanese.
SZ has much more population compare to Huizhou, I personally will not put either into comparison.I am comfortable with my comparisons between Shenzhen and Huizhou. SZ may have more than twice the population of HZ, but HZ is more than 5 times the size of SZ (and Huizhou is bigger than LOS Angeles by size and population).
However, the main purpose of the comparisons was to give readers familiar with SZ, a clearer perspective of HZ. For example I compared Danshui to Dongmen (in Luohu), as both are sub-districts.
A warning to all who engage activity in Shenzhen, there are multiple reports in other forum that KO is about to deliver another blow in Guandong, Some reported even 'normal proper' sauna in Lohu is asking day time customer to register their ID.Gong'an are primed to deliver one last big raid in Guangdong this year according to some. Will it hit SZ? Don't know.
Just check again, yesterday night the whole & (Shazui) got hit. Although it is only from one source (since it was posted 3 hours ago) I think it is creditable.There have been occasional raids in SZ that I am aware of. This year they have mainly been on specific premises in outlying areas where activity was seemingly unaffected by the CNY yanda. Was this raid reported in the press? A raid on the whole of the ShaTsui action areas would have required a lot of police. This area covers many more blocks than Luohu or Xiang Xi cuns.
I guess if you take the girl up your apartment it is fine, but I would avoid KTV and sauna for now.Personally, I think the risk is very low (and there is always some risk).
Ikks.
I stayed at the hotel called Homeinn. On the side of the hotel there is an outside little store selling drinks. You have a row of maybe 4 apartment buildings. The first 3 are filled with girls and touts. At least it was before the crack down. The hotel marker is a 7 minute walk from Luhou station. I can see it very clearly in my mind. I do not have addresses nor did I think to write them down. But I would be leaving one room headed for the elevator and another tout would grab me before I leave the building. Fun stuff. I will be back either late Oct, Nov., or early December depending on my work when I can take off. I will let everyone know how it is. Now if there is another crackdown or problem in China then its straight to Thailand for me.There are hundreds of HomeInn's all over the place.
Can you say which metro station? Which direction to walk, etc??
Thank you so much! In Shenzhen now for just a few days.
And can report back once I hear more.
There are hundreds of HomeInn's all over the place.
Can you say which metro station? Which direction to walk, etc??
Thank you so much! In Shenzhen now for just a few days.
And can report back once I hear more.Well hope this get approved before you leave. I stay in lLohu district. Go to the home Inn as a starting point and walk around the hotels there. The manager or lady tauts will grab you and take you into the apartment buildings. Cost is 200 RMB total. Unless you dress rich and they think you are a sucker then it is triple cost or more. Now you want to walk on both sides of the street between the building. You need to go basically in the shadows because that is where this business is in China. It is in the shadows. If you still can not find anything. Walk to the train station and walk with the people leaving the train walking into Shen Zhen. The mommies will grab you there as well. Now I have not been in China since the crackdown. So let us now what you find? By the way test the vibe app on your iPhone and see if it works in Shen Zhen?
Hi guys,
First time posting in this forum (registered an account when I was researching Japan info a while ago).
I moved to Shenzhen right after the sandstorm beginning of this year, I have been monitoring the Hong Kong forum about action in China also. Although I am very new to the hobby I might be able to help with getting by with internet in China.
Viber is blocked, at least with China telecom Guandong.
All google service has been blocked by China since May 2014, and the block is most likely permanent.
If you have Google voice for voice mail purpose your best bet is to forward to a non google email.
If the social app is blocked right now, chances are they will not be unblocked...Continuing with the discussion on traveling and internet being blocked. I am in Thailand now. I put all my important info for emergencies in my hotmail and outlook accounts. Both are blocked here in Thailand. Viber works excellent here in Thailand as well as we chat.
There are hundreds of HomeInn's all over the place.
Can you say which metro station? Which direction to walk, etc??
Thank you so much! In Shenzhen now for just a few days.
And can report back once I hear more.He is referring to the Home Inn on Renmin Sth Rd, Luohu, opposite the Carrianna Plaza.
If you want to go there, take MTR to Guomao, then exit A in King Glory Plaza. Walk south down Renmin Sth Rd (towards Shenzhen train station / Luohu MTR). After about 150 metres, and before you get to the overhead expressway and the Century Plaza hotel, you will find the Home Inn on the right. It is one of a number of hotels in the tallest building opposite the Carrianna Plaza (there are well known fast food places in the plaza outside the main Carrianna building).
The 4 buildings that he refers to used to be called the Blue Apartments by local laowai. They are almost next door to the Home Inn, and on Chunfeng Rd, between Renmin Sth Rd and Jianshe Rd, opposite the Century Plaza Hotel. You will be accosted by RnT massage girls on Chunfeng Rd and you will usually find a few touts on Jianshe Rd behind the apartments.
YMMV!
Cheers.
Neither MS Hotmail nor MS Outlook are blocked in Thailand. Please be accurate in your reports. Hotmail itself blocks your account whenever you access your account from a new location as a security precaution. Outlook is just an app that runs on your computer. You set Outlook up to download from email servers that you specify, typically using POP3 protocols.
K9
Tom,
Neither MS Hotmail nor MS Outlook are blocked in Thailand. Please be accurate in your reports. Hotmail itself blocks your account whenever you access your account from a new location as a security precaution. Outlook is just an app that runs on your computer. You set Outlook up to download from email servers that you specify, typically using POP3 protocols.
K9Kitsune9,
I was able to get on both hotmail and outlook the following day it was blocked. Whenever you open account in another country for security reasons it does a check with phone number. Because was phone was not set up correctly for international I could not get the call verification and my hotmail was completely blocked on my computer. I was unable to even get to the home page to type in my name and pass. The following day I got some help with sprint to get it working correctly. I opened both the hotmail and outlook and they did not even ask for verification. So all is good.
He is referring to the Home Inn on Renmin Sth Rd, Luohu, opposite the Carrianna Plaza.
If you want to go there, take MTR to Guomao, then exit A in King Glory Plaza. Walk south down Renmin Sth Rd (towards Shenzhen train station / Luohu MTR). After about 150 metres, and before you get to the overhead expressway and the Century Plaza hotel, you will find the Home Inn on the right. It is one of a number of hotels in the tallest building opposite the Carrianna Plaza (there are well known fast food places in the plaza outside the main Carrianna building).
The 4 buildings that he refers to used to be called the Blue Apartments by local laowai. They are almost next door to the Home Inn, and on Chunfeng Rd, between Renmin Sth Rd and Jianshe Rd, opposite the Century Plaza Hotel. You will be accosted by RnT massage girls on Chunfeng Rd and you will usually find a few touts on Jianshe Rd behind the apartments.
YMMV!
Cheers.I forgot to add that there used to be a full service sauna (VIP rooms were OK) up the escalators at Carrianna Plaza. But this was nearly 5 years ago. Maybe our friend Tom went there as he stayed directly over the road on all his trips to SZ.
Ikks.
I forgot to add that there used to be a full service sauna (VIP rooms were OK) up the escalators at Carrianna Plaza. But this was nearly 5 years ago. Maybe our friend Tom went there as he stayed directly over the road on all his trips to SZ.
Ikks.No Ikksman,
I did not go to that sauna. I did however try a couple saunas in the hotels near The Home Inn. Some of these sauna massage places in these hotels are open 24 hours. When you show up at 2-3 am for example the girls will be sleeping on the couches or chairs. I tried a few of them. All they are were expensive hand job places. None of them were full service. There actually was also always a window through the door so people can look it. There are plenty of saunas if you walk 10-15 minutes away from the train station there near the nice part of town and 5 start hotels. Prices started at something like 900 RMB. I assume FS was included. But I did not try.
Tom,
I sincerely suggest that you be less vague in the future. Unless you do, some readers will continue to doubt that you have ever been to SZ.Pukimonster,
This is just a conversation. It is not trip report and if it were I will title trip report in the title section. It is not a guide where to find saunas or massage parlors in Shenzhen. If it were that would be in the title section as well. When I go on vacation I am exploring and having fun. I am not there with a pen and paper writing writing down addresses and maps. That is ridiculous. I do not live in Shenzhenn. In Shenzhen in Luohu district there were many saunas on the main drag from the train station in luohu and I lost count of how many saunas I saw exploring Shenzhen. If people want to question whether I have been to China or not. That is fine with me. There is no benefit either way for me. I am not getting paid to write down maps of where I go, what took place, girls name ect. But, if I was getting paid to do this. I can assure you I will post brilliant trip report and past experiences. I would color code everything. I would detail every map starting at when you land at the airport either in Shenzhen or Hong Kong before you take the bus and train to Shenzhen. I would have a time clock of if you land a Hong Kong airport after midnight. Two of the three entry ways into Shenzhen are closed and you must go to the 24 hour one. I would have name of pimps with cell numbers as most tauts gave me there cards that I took just to be polite but tossed latter. I would even include girls names and schedules. But, this starts to sound more like work than a vacation. LOL.
Actually, there are 6 entry points from Hong Kong into Shenzhen.
Actually, there are 6 entry points from Hong Kong into Shenzhen.Very true:
Shekou Ferry 蛇 口 口 岸.
Shenzhen Bay 深 圳 湾 口 岸.
Futian Port 福 田 口 岸.
Huanggang Guan 皇 岗 口 岸.
Luohu Border 罗 湖 口 岸.
Wenjindu 文 锦 渡 口 岸.
Shekou ferry is a very useful method to travel to / from HKIA as you do not need to go though HKIA Immigration queues. Actually you do all processing in Shekou including luggage check in / pick up.
One further tip for frequent travellers to / from Shenzhen is to apply for the Hong Kong E-channel service which provides automated immigration clearance via a barcode sticker on ones passport. This service is being expanded from just HKIA to other entry ports. It has been available at Luohu for a couple of years now, but unfortunately, the smugglers have managed to somehow get hold of E-channel stickers, so at certain times the queues are chaotic, particularly from HK to SZ.
I will no longer post on ISG.
It is a waste of my time, when another poster is able to have multiple posts of mine deleted simply because I have posted factual information that happens to conflict with, or expand on his 'information'. Apparently the poster is so emotionally immature that he cannot accept any suggestions or criticism (real or perceived, direct or indirect).
But there is something wrong with the policies of ISG if posters are able to have deleted posts of other members, that politely correct wrong information, or expand and clarify vague information. It will become more and more difficult for members to find useful information amongst the growing piles of BS and fantasy (similar to some other forums). Worse, newer members reading uncorrected BS, may go on wild goose chases or even be led into potentially dangerous situations.
Personally, I gain little from the time I spend posting information. It has been my small contribution to repay ISG for the help that it has provided me over the years.
I have always attempted to help others. I have posted precise and clear directions, and even provided '3 D' maps. I have also been awarded an ROD for a lengthy post that was purely to help other members. Unfortunately, this sometimes treads on the toes of those who post BS.
As I have advised previously, next year I retire to Hua Hin with a wonderful young Chinese girl (after working 30 of the last 40 years in Asia, and the last 5 years living in SZ). Then, I will have little further to contribute to the China forum, as I see no point in only being able to post out of date information.
So, this is simply an early retirement from ISG (and I may just write my autobiography, as an ISG member flatteringly suggested. Haha).
Cheers.
Ikksman,
Even you need to be corrected. There is more than one E-channel. You should of said the "Frequent Visitor E-channel". If you happen to read this, don't take offense. I am not attacking you! Haha!I am not offended. And being offended, is not the reason I am leaving ISG.
An additional tip for Cheap Charlies (like those who stay at 2 star Home Inn hotels. No offence, haha) is that one can travel very cheaply by taking the HKIA Airbus services bus (A43) to Fanling. Or, there are also other buses to Shatin (A and E services) if one wants to take a short break at a modern shopping mall and engage with the heaps of DHs that always seem to be there, before crossing over the border into SZ.
BTW, I was going to post a short guide and tips to getting around SZ mongering areas, and asking for services in saunas, BBSs etc. For example, how to give directions for the Shangri-la Hotel (Xianggeilila jiudian), in Chinese, so that taxi drivers would understand. This was collected and proven over a number of years, and some may have noticed my recent requests for help with colloquial mongering Chinese. But as this would correct, expand on and clarify information posted by a certain person here, it would likely get deleted!
At Ikksman: Sad to hear you announce your retirement in ISG as soon as I have join in. As you seem to be the person who is most active in SZ section. Sometimes these large forum have rules that might be a little bit too strict. And I have to agree I do have a hard time finding much useful info in the few pages I went through (which I guess it is due to various rules etc).
At TomSf: Viber does not work on China unicom, did not have a chance on China mobile. Concerning your last post on sauna on HJ / BJ at sauna within 4/5 stars hotels. Your pricing seem to be so off I am not too sure what to say.
At Kitsune9: I agree on what you said about Chinese translation. Being a Hong Kong born Canadian who just return to China, My first hobby encounter was very weird even I can speak Cantonese well (it didn't help my mandarin is almost to none). Especially the hobby terms.
PukiMonster
11-05-14, 02:17
I know that you and I have had differences in the past, particularly over my parody of LooseStoolWater. But you have always been a total gentleman, and it is a shame that wannabes cause problems for us all. I fully appreciate that you are not departing because of frustration or sensitiveness but because there is no point in wasting time writing useful and informative posts that get deleted. I have genuinely appreciated your posts.
Notice how the Philippines forums are so alive and vibrant, because the experienced residents and frequent visitors expose and then ignore the BS artists, who then disappear. But this cannot be achieved by a lone voice.
Some years ago, before this wannabe joined ISG, I used to read his posts at another site. He was the BSD, and his many basement fanboys adoringly hung on his every word. But he refused to accept corrections by the couple of members who had actually been to SZ and DG, and he stiffly defended their accusations of paranoia. Now, here on ISG, he is attempting to replicate that status. He has reposted exactly the same information. Warnings about KTV scams, the excitement of following 'scouts', being attacked by mamas, all the dangers etc etc, and admitting that he did not do his research before going to Shanghai, and so on. He has admittedly, added fragments of new information gleaned from other posts. However, ISG has very few basement fanboys, but many posters who are residents or frequent visitors to SZ and DG (over many years).
It amazes me how at 65, you lead an active mongering lifestyle and able to charm the pants off of so many young Chinese girls, unless of course you are a real life Dorian Grey, as someone who has met you once claimed.
Anyway, good luck, you lucky devil!
At Ikksman: Sad to hear you announce your retirement in ISG as soon as I have join in. As you seem to be the person who is most active in SZ section. Sometimes these large forum have rules that might be a little bit too strict. And I have to agree I do have a hard time finding much useful info in the few pages I went through (which I guess it is due to various rules etc).
At TomSf: Viber does not work on China unicom, did not have a chance on China mobile. Concerning your last post on sauna on HJ / BJ at sauna within 4/5 stars hotels. Your pricing seem to be so off I am not too sure what to say.
At Kitsune9: I agree on what you said about Chinese translation. Being a Hong Kong born Canadian who just return to China, My first hobby encounter was very weird even I can speak Cantonese well (it didn't help my mandarin is almost to none). Especially the hobby terms.Hi Belinik,
Thank you for the Viber update. Rereading my post about prices from my memory two years back the huge massage buildings in Shen Zhen was something like 700 and up. It was not a hotel. I remember because when I saw that I was thinking what do I get for that? For an escort is China at an outcall agency 700 and up is definitely common. That is why the deals with the tauts or managers in the streets for 200 RMB was such a deal.
Thanks again.
Hi Belinik,
Thank you for the Viber update. Rereading my post about prices from my memory two years back the huge massage buildings in Shen Zhen was something like 700 and up. It was not a hotel. I remember because when I saw that I was thinking what do I get for that? For an escort is China at an outcall agency 700 and up is definitely common. That is why the deals with the tauts or managers in the streets for 200 RMB was such a deal.
Thanks again.Even with your modified pricing, I must still agree with Belinik "Your pricing seem to be so off I am not too sure what to say. ".
You repeatedly mention "tauts" (in many posts). Do you mean "touts"?
At Ikksman: Sad to hear you announce your retirement in ISG as soon as I have join in. As you seem to be the person who is most active in SZ section. Sometimes these large forum have rules that might be a little bit too strict. And I have to agree I do have a hard time finding much useful info in the few pages I went through (which I guess it is due to various rules etc).
At TomSf: Viber does not work on China unicom, did not have a chance on China mobile. Concerning your last post on sauna on HJ / BJ at sauna within 4/5 stars hotels. Your pricing seem to be so off I am not too sure what to say.
At Kitsune9: I agree on what you said about Chinese translation. Being a Hong Kong born Canadian who just return to China, My first hobby encounter was very weird even I can speak Cantonese well (it didn't help my mandarin is almost to none). Especially the hobby terms.Prices- As many of the regular massage places you can.
SLF International Spa Club (Shenzhen) -1-6/ F Gangcheng Huating, Huanggang Border Crossing. For massage only its 398 RMB plus tips based off your negotiation skills is 200-400. This is an example of what I was talking about. I was wrong with my first quote with price and was way off. Sorry about that I did not try this place. My mongering in Shenzhen had more to do with tauts and not massage places. There are many massage places 138 RMB hong style massage but no sex or happy ending.
Steven Jones
11-05-14, 18:45
Thanks for the tips, pointers and help here. Enjoy your retirement!
Even with your modified pricing, I must still agree with Belinik "Your pricing seem to be so off I am not too sure what to say. ".
You repeatedly mention "tauts" (in many posts). Do you mean "touts"?Yes, sorry about the spelling. We could also just call them pimps to keep it simple.
Prices- As many of the regular massage places you can.
SLF International Spa Club (Shenzhen) -1-6/ F Gangcheng Huating, Huanggang Border Crossing. For massage only its 398 RMB plus tips based off your negotiation skills is 200-400. This is an example of what I was talking about. I was wrong with my first quote with price and was way off. Sorry about that I did not try this place. My mongering in Shenzhen had more to do with tauts and not massage places. There are many massage places 138 RMB hong style massage but no sex or happy ending.Tom,
SLF is one of the biggest Normal massage place in Shenzhen. Only way you may score a HJ is either under the table or off hours (which is rare). That is not really an ideal place to get a massage + release (especially you can get massage+BJ with 21 x-27 x). If you decide to visit there, Futian check point is the port you want to cross.
I have recently obtain contact of an agency that operate within apartments (HK 1 L1 F style), imo much safer then hotels / sauna. Very tempted to try even I am not an FS person.
Rumor: Guandong is on high alert at crackdown for another week (until 13th, how they come up with these dates I have no idea), also today morning there are military badge personnel spotted in different area of shazui.
SLF is one of the biggest Normal massage place in Shenzhen. Only way you may score a HJ is either under the table or off hours (which is rare). That is not really an ideal place to get a massage + release (especially you can get massage+BJ with 21 x-27 x). If you decide to visit there, Futian check point is the port you want to cross.
I have recently obtain contact of an agency that operate within apartments (HK 1 L1 F style), imo much safer then hotels / sauna. Very tempted to try even I am not an FS person.
Rumor: Guandong is on high alert at crackdown for another week (until 13th, how they come up with these dates I have no idea), also today morning there are military badge personnel spotted in different area of shazui.He just copied stuff from other website: "Happy ending can be done by the thigh massage girls or minimum Shenzhen-Hong Kong Massage (398 RMB). For the thigh massage girls, its 78 +50 for the private room then tip is anywhere from 200-400 depends on your negotiation skills. For the massage, its 398 + 200-400 tips".
This site is notorious for its inaccuracies and SLF is purely a family veggie place and a bit expensive.
And I have never heard of escort type outcall from agencies being offered for less than 1000 RMB in the past 5 years. 700? WTF!
Were the military type guys all over ShaTsui and the 2 other cuns, or just in the 5 or so blocks on the left where the greatest number of mamas congregate?
Sorry, I don't know HK 1 L1 F style. Can you explain?
Thanks
He just copied stuff from other website: "Happy ending can be done by the thigh massage girls or minimum Shenzhen-Hong Kong Massage (398 RMB). For the thigh massage girls, its 78 +50 for the private room then tip is anywhere from 200-400 depends on your negotiation skills. For the massage, its 398 + 200-400 tips".
This site is notorious for its inaccuracies and SLF is purely a family veggie place and a bit expensive.
And I have never heard of escort type outcall from agencies being offered for less than 1000 RMB in the past 5 years. 700? WTF!
Were the military type guys all over ShaTsui and the 2 other cuns, or just in the 5 or so blocks on the left where the greatest number of mamas congregate?
Sorry, I don't know HK 1 L1 F style. Can you explain?
ThanksKitsune9,
I absolutely copied that for a massage website talking about Shenzhen regarding the prices. I was trying to remember why I was thinking the cost was so high with these saunas. Because I have not been there in 2 years I had to google it. Because I am not there now this is the best I can find. Can anyone that is in Shenzhen now post what is the cost for FS in a sauna place if it is even available after there crack down?
Kitsune9,
I absolutely copied that for a massage website talking about Shenzhen regarding the prices. I was trying to remember why I was thinking the cost was so high with these saunas. Because I have not been there in 2 years I had to google it. Because I am not there now this is the best I can find. Can anyone that is in Shenzhen now post what is the cost for FS in a sauna place if it is even available after there crack down?This little thread has more twists and turns than a Chinese dragon dance (but no pearl of wisdom).
Beijing4987
11-08-14, 05:08
Now I understand better this mentality. I just taught my chinese girl to say "what's mine is mine! What's yours is mine" . She really gets off in saying it. I'll be extra careful if I go to Nam. I'll have to learn to say, "I've got no money" Thanks so much for the insight! Now she tells me after years of Dining that DATY (saliva) is unclean. I reminded her of all the people spreading hepatitis by sharing food using chopsticks. I had to get over the icky ness of it, not to mention the guys smoking with one hand and eating with chopsticks with the other. "My penis was in your mouth too, remember that Dear?"
BJ.
Good report, you have to understand Chinese mind to understand the yelling. When you follow the guy and he shows you the girls. In Chinese thinking you not choosing any girl is you stealing from him. Because mentally he already put your money in his pocket. I have have lady managers take me up to the apartments and if I don't pick. They literally block the door like a football player and refuse to let me leave. I would just tell them I will stay and the minute they get away from the door I am out of there. I now always judge the attitude of the tout before I go with them because I don't want any problems especially in another country.
I used to think Chinese and money were bad until I seen vietnamese in action. They take the anger over money to another level.
Can anyone that is in Shenzhen now post what is the cost for FS in a sauna place if it is even available after there crack down?Sure, but can you first define what you mean by massage place and sauna place as you seem to use the terms interchangeably.
I have just read the last 2 years posts on the SZ forum here. To me, this SZ forum is an enigma.
Forums like the SH and BJ ones are full of relevant posts (recommendations and ratings) about all sorts of mongering destinations, from foot massages, RNT through to escort, WG bars and high end sauna clubs.
SZ has the same cross-section of mongering destinations, but the forum here appears basically limited to reports (ad nauseam) on XiangXi Cun and the ShangriLa apartments. I could barely find a trace of reports about the many escort, KTV, massage and sauna places that proliferate in SZ. And quite a number of these establishments have always provided HE, BJ, FS or takeout, before and after the nation-wide crackdown this year. Why is this forum so different to other forums?
The most frequent posters appeared to be Ikkmann and a couple of wannabe artists. One of the wannabes has recently disappeared, and Ikkmann (who wasn't even a regular mongerer) has also disappeared. But at least Ikkmann with his reports, photos and maps, genuinely attempted to assist others and counteract much of the misinformation and BS.
In fact, I gleaned extremely little useful information about mongering in SZ apart from XXC and S-L apartments. I fear if I subscribed and became active on this forum I would be a lone voice in the wilderness (like Ikkmann) and attacked (like Ikkmann), for posting true and accurate information (which conflicted with the BS artists posts).
Just my opinion, but I would welcome any comments.
Posters who have been to Shenzhen many times, should be able to provide accurate and clear information. Unfortunately, some provide vague information.
Last week a poster provided these instructions "Walk to the train station and walk with the people leaving the train walking into Shen Zhen". As one is already in SZ, then which road (of 4) should be taken (Yanhe Nan Lu?, Heping Lu? Etc). And when travellers disembark from trains, they disperse in all directions, with the largest numbers going to the bus station, coach station, taxi rank and MTR. And of course the hundreds of smugglers going to their distribution points with loaded trolleys of nappies, yokult and baby formula (haha). Less vague instructions please!.
However, this is arguably an improvement over an earlier post where he responded to a question by instructing the person to go to the nearest hotel (s) to the train station. There are many hotels 'nearest' to the Shenzhen train station and Luohu MTR, depending which one, of many exits is taken. There is even a hotel on the station's premises. No wonder the poster responded that he needed better directions!
Posters also need to be specific when they say "the train station". There are 4 train stations in Shenzhen, including the Shenzhen train station in Luohu. With the recent opening of Shenzhen Bei (north) station, more and more CRH (high speed) trains depart from this terminal.
So, this is a plea for posters to provide clear and accurate information, or admit that they are unsure, particularly in response to specific questions! This will also save other posters from having to correct or clarify incorrect and misleading information (and confuse others or even lead them into potentially dangerous situations).
Ikks.
Just want to say many thanks for the kind words received. Appreciated!
Apologies to those who have PM'd me and to whom I have not replied, or only given a perfunctory response (Noimbecile, SamCan, Tomi Gun, ShangHangin, Kar2692, Uncle Tom Cobley and all).
Ikks.
P.S. At the suggestion of an ISGer, I have reposted the last deleted post, with the complainant's name removed from the first paragraph. Will it also be deleted? Wait and see!
Beijing4987
11-09-14, 09:23
Ikks.
How about this one.
"I met a chinese girl somewhere I don't remember? Her name was Xiao something. Hope you guys can find her. She was lots of fun.
Signed.
Notaclue8888888.
Posters who have been to Shenzhen many times, should be able to provide accurate and clear information. Unfortunately, some provide vague information.
Last week a poster provided these instructions "Walk to the train station and walk with the people leaving the train walking into Shen Zhen". As one is already in SZ, then which road (of 4) should be taken (Yanhe Nan Lu?, Heping Lu? Etc). And when travellers disembark from trains, they disperse in all directions, with the largest numbers going to the bus station, coach station, taxi rank and MTR. And of course the hundreds of smugglers going to their distribution points with loaded trolleys of nappies, yokult and baby formula (haha). Less vague instructions please!.
However, this is arguably an improvement over an earlier post where he responded to a question by instructing the person to go to the nearest hotel (s) to the train station. There are many hotels 'nearest' to the Shenzhen train station and Luohu MTR, depending which one, of many exits is taken. There is even a hotel on the station's premises. No wonder the poster responded that he needed better directions!
Posters also need to be specific when they say "the train station". There are 4 train stations in Shenzhen, including the Shenzhen train station in Luohu. With the recent opening of Shenzhen Bei (north) station, more and more CRH (high speed) trains depart from this terminal.
So, this is a plea for posters to provide clear and accurate information, or admit that they are unsure, particularly in response to specific questions! This will also save other posters from having to correct or clarify incorrect and misleading information (and confuse others or even lead them into potentially dangerous situations).
Ikks.
I have just read the last 2 years posts on the SZ forum here. To me, this SZ forum is an enigma.
Forums like the SH and BJ ones are full of relevant posts (recommendations and ratings) about all sorts of mongering destinations, from foot massages, RNT through to escort, WG bars and high end sauna clubs.
SZ has the same cross-section of mongering destinations, but the forum here appears basically limited to reports (ad nauseam) on XiangXi Cun and the ShangriLa apartments. I could barely find a trace of reports about the many escort, KTV, massage and sauna places that proliferate in SZ. And quite a number of these establishments have always provided HE, BJ, FS or takeout, before and after the nation-wide crackdown this year. Why is this forum so different to other forums?
The most frequent posters appeared to be Ikkmann and a couple of wannabe artists. One of the wannabes has recently disappeared, and Ikkmann (who wasn't even a regular mongerer) has also disappeared. But at least Ikkmann with his reports, photos and maps, genuinely attempted to assist others and counteract much of the misinformation and BS..Kitsune9,
Just saw this post. Please post what your experience is? No matter what you post people will always attack you on here. Some of my post when I respond to being attacked will not even be posted. This attend many times. I won't attack you.
PukiMonster
11-10-14, 05:10
I have just read the last 2 years posts on the SZ forum here. To me, this SZ forum is an enigma.
Forums like the SH and BJ ones are full of relevant posts (recommendations and ratings) about all sorts of mongering destinations, from foot massages, RNT through to escort, WG bars and high end sauna clubs.
SZ has the same cross-section of mongering destinations, but the forum here appears basically limited to reports (ad nauseam) on XiangXi Cun and the ShangriLa apartments. I could barely find a trace of reports about the many escort, KTV, massage and sauna places that proliferate in SZ. And quite a number of these establishments have always provided HE, BJ, FS or takeout, before and after the nation-wide crackdown this year. Why is this forum so different to other forums?
The most frequent posters appeared to be Ikkmann and a couple of wannabe artists. One of the wannabes has recently disappeared, and Ikkmann (who wasn't even a regular mongerer) has also disappeared. But at least Ikkmann with his reports, photos and maps, genuinely attempted to assist others and counteract much of the misinformation and BS.
In fact, I gleaned extremely little useful information about mongering in SZ apart from XXC and S-L apartments. I fear if I subscribed and became active on this forum I would be a lone voice in the wilderness (like Ikkmann) and attacked (like Ikkmann), for posting true and accurate information (which conflicted with the BS artists posts).
Just my opinion, but I would welcome any comments.Any interesting and thought provoking post. Why are there so few escort, KTV, massage and sauna reports (even before the most recent crackdown)?
I hope that a few of the long term members like SEAJ and Old Asia Hand could provide some insight.
Just want to say many thanks for the kind words received. Appreciated!
Apologies to those who have PM'd me and to whom I have not replied, or only given a perfunctory response (Noimbecile, SamCan, Tomi Gun, ShangHangin, Kar2692, Uncle Tom Cobley and all).
Ikks.
P.S. At the suggestion of an ISGer, I have reposted the last deleted post, with the complainant's name removed from the first paragraph. Will it also be deleted? Wait and see!When Dame Nellie Melba retired from the London stage, the good burghers of Melbourne (more or less her hometown) wanted to do something memorable for her. They asked her what would she like to do, and how would she like to be remembered?
She said, "I would like to have a bath in champagne!
So the good burghers of Melbourne obliged, and gave her a champagne bath, having emptied 60 bottles.
After the bath finished, they drained the bath, rebottled the contents and obtained 61 bottles! (.
Enjoy and report.
P13.
Today the Shenzhen forum is so monitored and edited by Jackson. I am not even sure what will get in? I can understand people wanted exact details, addresses, ect. When I first went to Shenzhen I was only given one piece of advice where the girls are. My Chinese friend told me walk over the border toward the hotels. He told me look around there and you should be able to find the pimps. I did exactly what he said and found the action within 10 minutes of looking.
It was simple. My last trip was two years ago. I am not sure now of action because of the crackdowns. So I gave the same advice that worked for me getting off at the Luohu station.
Now my simple advice means you will have to do work on your own and search out the pimps and woman. Yes you have to do work.
My advice was nit picked apart with things added to it. I said follow the hundreds of people walking to Shenzhen. There is only one path that I have seen. So you can't get lost and you start you search there. Now other poster added follow the people to where? The taxis, the trains the buses? No, the simple instructions was to walk to Shenzhen period and you are in the hot zone. If you take a taxi you will pass it. Ect.
Now the pimps or what ever you want to call them. Hang around the apartments and hotels there. There is no hooker map or guarantees where they are. But You are in the general area now you have to work. There are only maybe 6 hotels that I saw. The rest were apartment complexes.
Although my advice was very basic and simple. That is what I had when I first went there. I was not a member of ISG so had no intention of writing a review. Otherwise I would have wrote down addresses.
Because my posts were attacked so much by people demanding exact address and places from two years ago. Now even guys there will not post their experience out of fear of being attacked or saying they have not been to Shenzhen. That is why the Shenzhen section is now dead.
I hope in the future instead of attacking people on here or demanding maps ect. Just let people talk. If someone does not like what the person has to say. Instead of attacking the report. They themselves should go to Shenzhen and write the report the way they think it should be.
He just copied stuff from other website: "Happy ending can be done by the thigh massage girls or minimum Shenzhen-Hong Kong Massage (398 RMB). For the thigh massage girls, its 78 +50 for the private room then tip is anywhere from 200-400 depends on your negotiation skills. For the massage, its 398 + 200-400 tips".
This site is notorious for its inaccuracies and SLF is purely a family veggie place and a bit expensive.
And I have never heard of escort type outcall from agencies being offered for less than 1000 RMB in the past 5 years. 700? WTF!
Were the military type guys all over ShaTsui and the 2 other cuns, or just in the 5 or so blocks on the left where the greatest number of mamas congregate?
Sorry, I don't know HK 1 L1 F style. Can you explain?
ThanksWell they do exist, there is an idiot which I met recently who paid 1400 rmb for a damm massage and release in SLF, no touching, they don't advertise at all, it's private agreement with the girl if they offer. While I know there are at least 3 different establishments that has HJ release for 200-300 rmb and less within 5 minute walking distance. But Lohu is the place to go if you go for those activities as they have more choices and cheaper.
HK 1 l1 f style is similar to incall received in apartment.
The military were in the whole area, at least I was told. But that was a few days ago.
I don't think people here are trying to attack and scare others off for posting information. The problem is when one spot outdated, or possible inaccurate information especially the crackdown has pretty much changed the way SZ work for a while (although I must say it has been recovering). Some do come out and ask for clarification or point out it might wrong (for example, my knowledge on SLF, I didn't meant to discourage anyone, but more like do not want someone to read that post, cross the border, head to SLF, blow 800 RMB and end up with nothing, come back to ISG forum and make a fuzz about it).
SZ is a little bit different compare to BJ and SH, due to them being a major international gateway, not saying foreigners do not exist in SZ, but compare to those other 2 places (I have live in SH before in a french community). Many places has acknowledged the desire to accept and serve foreigners who cannot speak the language. On the other hand I don't think this is as common in SZ (I do plan to ask next time if I decide to go for another massage). I'm Chinese so it was never an issue for me.
Well they do exist, there is an idiot which I met recently who paid 1400 rmb for a damm massage and release in SLF, no touching, they don't advertise at all, it's private agreement with the girl if they offer. While I know there are at least 3 different establishments that has HJ release for 200-300 rmb and less within 5 minute walking distance. But Lohu is the place to go if you go for those activities as they have more choices and cheaper.
HK 1 l1 f style is similar to incall received in apartment.
The military were in the whole area, at least I was told. But that was a few days ago.
I don't think people here are trying to attack and scare others off for posting information. The problem is when one spot outdated, or possible inaccurate information especially the crackdown has pretty much changed the way SZ work for a while (although I must say it has been recovering). Some do come out and ask for clarification or point out it might wrong (for example, my knowledge on SLF, I didn't meant to discourage anyone, but more like do not want someone to read that post, cross the border, head to SLF, blow 800 RMB and end up with nothing, come back to ISG forum and make a fuzz about it).
SZ is a little bit different compare to BJ and SH, due to them being a major international gateway, not saying foreigners do not exist in SZ, but compare to those other 2 places (I have live in SH before in a french community). Many places has acknowledged the desire to accept and serve foreigners who cannot speak the language. On the other hand I don't think this is as common in SZ (I do plan to ask next time if I decide to go for another massage). I'm Chinese so it was never an issue for me.Thanks for an interesting post. I think that many girls in massage places will offer a HJ for a nice fat tip, if they think that they can get away with it, unnoticed by the boss.
But I am still puzzled why there are so few massage / sauna reports, successful or unsuccessful. Many used to offer BBBJ and FS (at least before the crackdown). I look forward to any additional info you may find out. BTW I found an informative KTV report by Sammon here on the SZ forum.
I found this set of Rules for Mongering in Shenzhen in the General Info Forum. I thought it worthwhile to repost it here and comment on some of the claims made (based on my experience). The article appears to be written by an inexperienced traveller who had very bad experiences on his one short trip to SZ. Nonetheless, an interesting read for all!
1. You must speak Mandarin especially in Shen Zhen. If you can not you will have the worst vacation of your life. No one here speaks English. You will not be able to communicate with you taxi, book a hotel room, negotiate with the girls, ect.Unbelievable claims! On this forum, there is history of many years of mongering experiences by members with no knowledge of Mandarin. Mongerers successfully use translators and sign language. Apart from very cheap budget hotels, there are usually English speaking staff at reception. Many members have slips made up with destinations written in Mandarin and English. The key here is preparation. I also suggest that people read Ikkman's Report of Distinction on How to meet SYTs in SZ. And I wonder why "especially in Shen Zhen". Very strange!
2. China is very racist- 95% of girls will not go with you if you are white. 99% will not go with you if you are black. I am white many girl as soon as they saw I was white would start to leave. I would have to calm them in Chinese to get them to stay and everything was fine then.If this was true, then there would be very little mongering in SZ by westerners. Obviously an enormous exaggeration, and an exercise in self-aggrandizement.
3. Any questions you have must be asked before you go to China! Chinese do not give directions. Even if the place you are asking about is 10 feet away. They will act like they never heard of what you are talking about. Example- Can you point me in the direction of the Shen Zhen airport? They could be looking at the airport and then look at you like they never heard of an airport before. Yes I do ask in Chinese. They do not understand english.I have generally found Chinese to be helpful, unless of course they were busy rushing somewhere, or it was some rural persons first encounter with a westerner. I have sometimes asked them to speak on my cell phone to a Chinese friend of mine to help with directions. I rarely get refused. Perhaps they could not understand the author's poor Chinese, or he had a bad attitude.
4. If you did not bring a computer it is very hard to find computer stores you can use. Most require a Chinese ID card.I have no experience with internet cafes in SZ (which is what I assume he means).
5. Bring your own toilet paper. You will not find any in any rest rooms. Also, bring your own napkins. Napkins have to be bought.I rarely take toilet paper with me (over many years) when in SZ. In SZ one is never far from a major shopping mall or 4/5 star hotel, which all have clean, western style toilets with toilet paper. And only cheap charlies would be bothered by the trivial price charged by restaurants for the packet of tissues on the table (if they don't have their own tissues with them).
6. Negotiate prices before you go with anyone. Tell them what you will pay, what you expect and what they should expect before you go with any scouts or girls. If you go blindly with someone into there house or apartment you might not be allowed to leave. The woman will block you from leaving, the will
attack you and or call a pimp, bodyguard ect.Of course it is essential to negotiate before you commit to a transaction. I assume the author means in the situation when the mongerer refuses the proffered girls. Good practice anywhere. Not being allowed to leave and being attacked or threatened is I suppose possible, but extremely rare. The one exception is if the mongerer unwisely follows a unknown person to an apartment, which is not a known mongering destination (such as XiangXi Cun). In this situation there is an increased risk.
7. KTV is the worse. If you do not negotiate prices before you enter! Just give them money upfront and don't enter to save yourself the headache. Don't be surprised if you bill when you want to leave is $600 USD or more. There will be an arm on bodyguards and you will not be allowed to leave. You can't call the police either because they will be in on it.There is a risk that this may happen at some unethical KTVs to people who through inexperience, do not negotiate prices and services beforehand and allow staff to deliver unordered drinks and snacks and allow managers / mamas to drink the customers alcohol and let girls waste drinks etc etc. I highly doubt that police are "in on it".
8. Bring your own maps before you go any maps there will be in Chinese symbols.Yes. They may be difficult to find. But English / Chinese maps are available in many of the better hotels (I have some) and can be bought in bookshops like BookCity. But of course experienced mongerers would buy maps before arriving as part of their trip preparations.
9. If anyone does try to help you there are trying to scam you! An extraordinary claim. No further comment.
10. Taxi driver are your enemy! The worst is people waiting at the borders asking if you need a taxi. They take you to a regular van or car and charge you triple price. Only go in a registered taxi. By the way if you can not speak Chinese and get in one of these jitneys you are at there mercy.Some private taxi drivers may be a risk of you don't negotiate the price beforehand. But equally, there is the risk of being overcharged by registered taxi drivers, in many ways. Happens all over the world. And in China there is also the small risk of the (registered) driver falsely claiming you have handed him a fake note, so you end up with a fake banknote, so that a 20 RMB fare may cost you 120 RMB!
11. Be careful which scouts you go with. If they are loud and aggressive don't go with them! This is one of the most important rules! I have had scout screaming at the top of their lungs about sex while they are 2 feet in front of me. They don't understand being discrete or talking quiet. Also they kind of woman will not let you leave.This may be the experience of the author, but it is not my experience or that of the 100's of other posters here in the last 10 years or so!
12. Prostitution is illegal in Shen Zhen. You need a hotel that has an environment that does not notice you bringing girls back. The hotels are required by law to report any suspected soliciting or they will be arrested also. I do not know whether this is an actual law or not. But there are many laws in China that are conveniently ignored. Chinese are frequent mongers and any hotel that tried this would quickly find itself devoid of customers. There have been reports (hearsay) of foreigners being charged for being in hotel rooms with WGs in Dongguan after the last crackdown. But this was due to rewards being offered by LE, or the LE's own efforts in reviewing hotel video etc.
This set of 'rules' was probably based on the experiences of a first time visitor to SZ. But should he post his bad experiences as a set of 'rules'? Amazing! Interestingly, he also never mentions the bigger risks of things like fake products, fake money and pick pocketing. I have even been sold fake Coca Cola (undrinkable)!
{S N I P}So, this is a plea for posters to provide clear and accurate information, or admit that they are unsure, particularly in response to specific questions! This will also save other posters from having to correct or clarify incorrect and misleading information (and confuse others or even lead them into potentially dangerous situations).
Ikks.Having written a plea for less vague directions, I guess that it is incumbent on me to put my money where my mouth is! So, I thought I should write one final contribution to ISG. Of course I realise that most will not have problems if they read earlier forum posts, but I thought a photo and maps would be interesting for first-timers.
As you can see from the first photo below (taken on a weekday), there are travellers going in all directions over and around the huge station forecourt area. There are many more people on the lower level of this forecourt. Their main destinations are actually mostly within the SZ station environs: Luohu Commercial Centre, bus station, coach station, taxi rank, SZ 'long distance' train station, Luohu MTR and some of the smugglers' meeting points. Smugglers and many other locals dangerously jaywalk along the middle of Yanhe Nan Lu and Renmin Nan Lu for more than 100 metres. Don't attempt to follow them; use the pedestrian underpasses! The travellers walking to the Luohu business and shopping areas will generally take an exit (underpass) to RenminNanLu from the lower level. You need to go to Jianshe Lu..
In my experience, the touts are always in the same spot. The area is marked on my second photo and the Google aerial map in blue. There are a couple of other lesser spots where one or two touts may find you (marked in orange). I have omitted the area behind the Felicity Best Western (as it is in the opposite direction). There are also a few more touts further up Jianshe Lu past the overhead expressway and the construction site (of the new MTR station and line). They will find you if walk along here.
There is no group of hotels close to the station, which is the 'tout hot spot'. There are 6 or 7 main hotels 'surrounding' the train station). But only one hotel is close to the hot spot - the Shangri La. I have marked the main hotels on the '3 the' map in yellow (you can also clearly see that when you cross the border, you enter the SZ train station, from the Lowu station, to be processed by Immigration and Customs).
There is actually another small hotel on a few floors of the commercial building directly behind the Shangri La, but it is not recognisable as a hotel. You don't need to hang about the Shangri La hotel to find the touts (usually women). They find you softly saying "massagee, massagee", "young girl" etc.
And years of experience have shown me that the best way to go to the touts near the Shangri La, is to go to the upper level area (above the main forecourt). Stop in at the McDonalds, have a coffee and see if there are any damsels in distress (my all time favourite freebie place). Then go down 2 levels (stairs) to Jianshe Lu (love the ladder one must climb to enter the convenience store here! You are now at ground zero. Or, you can turn left before going down the stairs, cross the railway line, and let one of the attractive girl touts take you to a FS massage in the 7 Days Inn / GuangSheng hotel building.
Additionally, you will find many posts here about the 'Shagri La apartments', the low quality of the WGs, and also a number of warnings about the possibility of scams against newcomers. No need for me to repeat all this information. RTFF.
Cheers and good hunting!
"No need to expose fools, they expose themselves"
Steven Jones
11-13-14, 13:51
As per Tom's claim of people being attacked I will say that I was chastised once for giving advice here, though to be fair it did deserve a smack on the wrist. This was about 8 years back when the touts were a lot more open and the street walkers were everywhere.
I had some great times in the towers around the Sebu (Sebi?) department store and the the "Lion" Towers just down the road from there. I told a newbie that he should let one of the touts take him up to the towers to check out the women. I forget that not everyone is as big ugly and forthright as me, so it can be a dangerous option for a lot of people.
But that was once, many years back. I didn't take offence and I have been contributing as much as I can since then.
PukiMonster
11-14-14, 03:29
I will say that I was chastised once for giving advice here, though to be fair it did deserve a smack on the wrist.
I told a newbie that he should let one of the touts take him up to the towers to check out the women. I forget that not everyone is as big ugly and forthright as me, so it can be a dangerous option for a lot of people.Hi Steven,
Please permit me to 'attack' you! Going with touts is a matter of assessing and balancing risk. There is, of course, risk in everything in life (even crossing the road).
1. If there are a group of touts at a known mongering spot (such as Shangri-La apartment or behind Seibu), then I feel that going with one of the touts to an apartment just a few yards away is very low risk, particularly if price and services are negotiated beforehand.
2. If you go with a tout who was alone, then there is an increased risk. Level of risk can also depend on the location. For example in busy Futian CBD, versus a small alley in Buji).
3. If you go with a tout who was alone, to a building some 100's of yards away, there is again an increased risk.
4. If you go with a tout, in a car or van, to an unknown destination, then you are likely in deep sh*t.
5. And if you do get ambushed, then being a big chappie, will not help you much against 4 or 5 nasty guys (often with knives).
I appreciate your contributions, even though they have been a bit inaccurate at times (haha)! And please feel free to critique my contributions. I, like all genuine posters, will take it in good spirit, and appreciate polite corrections!
Puki
P.S. I find some of the 'dubious' posters' writings quite entertaining. For example, a guy writes that he has no idea of the address of the hotel that he stayed at. Then the very next day, he has the hotel's business card in front of him. First time I have heard Google called a business card! Haha.
"I stayed at the hotel called Homeinn. On the side of the hotel there is an outside little store selling drinks. You have a row of maybe 4 apartment buildings. The first 3 are filled with girls and touts."
"It does rain bad in Shenzhen but I can't think of a better place to be to monger when it rains. Because you can just hang out in the apartment buildings banging different girls. After I leave one room I am not even out of the elevator as a new manger grabs me."
Members here would be in paradise to know that there were 3 large apartment buildings filled with hundreds and hundreds of WGs and touts. The visit occurred before the crackdown, but other known WG hot spots in this area (Shangri La apartments and Luohu Cun) have returned to normal.
But, it is the responsibility of readers to evaluate and decide the veracity of posts.
PukiMonster
11-14-14, 20:03
But, it is the responsibility of readers to evaluate and decide the veracity of posts.My evaluation of the Paradise in Luohu apartment buildings (the Blue Apartments) story is that the information is 99.999% plain silly.
Puki
Steven Jones
11-15-14, 12:00
Hi Steven,
Please permit me to 'attack' you! Going with touts is a matter of assessing and balancing risk. There is, of course, risk in everything in life (even crossing the road).
1. If there are a group of touts at a known mongering spot (such as Shangri-La apartment or behind Seibu), then I feel that going with one of the touts to an apartment just a few yards away is very low risk, particularly if price and services are negotiated beforehand.
2. If you go with a tout who was alone, then there is an increased risk. Level of risk can also depend on the location. For example in busy Futian CBD, versus a small alley in Buji).
3. If you go with a tout who was alone, to a building some 100's of yards away, there is again an increased risk.
4. If you go with a tout, in a car or van, to an unknown destination, then you are likely in deep sh*t.
5. And if you do get ambushed, then being a big chappie, will not help you much against 4 or 5 nasty guys (often with knives).
I appreciate your contributions, even though they have been a bit inaccurate at times (haha)! And please feel free to critique my contributions. I, like all genuine posters, will take it in good spirit, and appreciate polite corrections!
Puki
P.S. I find some of the 'dubious' posters' writings quite entertaining. For example, a guy writes that he has no idea of the address of the hotel that he stayed at. Then the very next day, he has the hotel's business card in front of him. First time I have heard Google called a business card! Haha.Well we are all here to help and learn, just sometimes our experiences differ as well as our perspective. Next time I'm down in SZ I'll be sure to report from the ground. .
Rod Danger
11-15-14, 17:54
Quick question for you experienced guys. I am at a five star hotel near SZX airport. They have a nice spa facility here and I inquired on whether they would do in room massage. The lady showed me the price list and said all massage is the same, but the different prices mean better girls. I cannot chose the girl, they will send them to me, I can refuse 1, and then 2, but after that I cannot see any more. However, if I ask her directly if it's a sex massage, she will say no. I can't tell if this means I'm supposed to negotiate with the girl when she comes or if this is really supposed to be a legitimate massage. I have heard about all the crackdowns and am wondering if that is why they say it isn't a sex massage.
Am I completely obtuse? Please help! Only 1 night left!
PukiMonster
11-16-14, 00:52
Well we are all here to help and learn, just sometimes our experiences differ as well as our perspective. Next time I'm down in SZ I'll be sure to report from the ground..Hi Steven,
I was not really having a go at you. I was having an indirect swipe at that wannabe, who bitterly complains every time someone corrects his inaccurate or vague posts. Maybe my comments were a little too indirect or obtuse.
All the best.
Puki
Steven Jones
11-16-14, 03:44
Hi Steven,
I was not really having a go at you. I was having an indirect swipe at that wannabe, who bitterly complains every time someone corrects his inaccurate or vague posts. Maybe my comments were a little too indirect or obtuse.
All the best.
PukiI know, so was I. Hence the "on the ground" comment. : the.
Meh, the net does not convey intonation at all!
Fast Eddie 48
11-17-14, 23:00
Hi Steven,
I was not really having a go at you. I was having an indirect swipe at that wannabe, who bitterly complains every time someone corrects his inaccurate or vague posts. Maybe my comments were a little too indirect or obtuse.
All the best.
PukiTo puki.
I agree with you and Ikksman there are too many wannable here keep asking the same question over and over again like the price on FS in Shenzhen, there been many post telling him there is a crack down all over China and only HJ is offer even he already cancel his trip to China yet he keep asking the same question over and over again.
Fast eddie 48.
Quick question for you experienced guys. I am at a five star hotel near SZX airport. They have a nice spa facility here and I inquired on whether they would do in room massage. The lady showed me the price list and said all massage is the same, but the different prices mean better girls. I cannot chose the girl, they will send them to me, I can refuse 1, and then 2, but after that I cannot see any more. However, if I ask her directly if it's a sex massage, she will say no. I can't tell if this means I'm supposed to negotiate with the girl when she comes or if this is really supposed to be a legitimate massage. I have heard about all the crackdowns and am wondering if that is why they say it isn't a sex massage.
Am I completely obtuse? Please help! Only 1 night left!Because you said sex massage: the crackdown or not the front desk will not advertise sex massage because the term is not really used here, especially if you are a foreigner. If higher price means better girl it most likely have a good chance being HJ release (with extra tip to the girl. Or not). Most of the time all you need to do is to check what they wear to know if they are real RMT or one with extra. Always have a few Chinese word ready when meeting the girl will also help with blind adventure. Remember, most girls do not know English unless they are specifically trained to receive foreigners.
Because you said sex massage: the crackdown or not the front desk will not advertise sex massage because the term is not really used here, especially if you are a foreigner. If higher price means better girl it most likely have a good chance being HJ release (with extra tip to the girl. Or not). Most of the time all you need to do is to check what they wear to know if they are real RMT or one with extra. Always have a few Chinese word ready when meeting the girl will also help with blind adventure. Remember, most girls do not know English unless they are specifically trained to receive foreigners.I agree with your points. I would also add another couple of points that are based on my experience.
(1) AFAIK, genuine 5 star hotels have never offered FS as part of their massage services.
(2) It is possible that an individual girl working at a 5 star may independently and discreetly offer FS.
(3) If a massage place does not have HJ on its menu, then unlikely BBBJ is available as a regular or off-menu service.
(4) If a massage place does not have BBBJ on its menu, then unlikely FS is available as a regular or off-menu service.
(5) At the present time, most RNT places do not offer FS (although BJ is possible).
K9
Does anyone know how to use the 3 D maps at sz.chachaba.com?
When you load them they are centered on the KingKey100 building. How do I look at for example, LongHua district. The only way seems to be to use the box in the lower right hand corner, but that is painful.
Thanks guys.
Fifty Shades
11-22-14, 01:46
I know that many people have had poor experiences or even scams on wechat. Maybe it was beginner's luck, but I had a good experience with wechat recently. I stayed in a 5 star hotel in futian. With a western name and nonsense picture, I advertised myself as being from Germany, using "looking around" on wechat. Within minutes I got an inquiry from a girl asking if I was a foreigner, etc. After some back and forth chit chat, she asked if I wanted her to come over. It was after 11, and when I met her in the lobby, I was surprised when a hotel staff member came out of nowhere, asked to see her I'd, and then let her go with me. Maybe it was some kind of watch list? When hotels have bars and restaurants on the upper floors, it is hard to understand how they can truly guard the lobby elevators, unless the girl is a known WG or dresses the part. Although she was clearly not the girl in the wechat photo (as I anticipated), she was very good looking better than the photo. Tall, thin (but not skinny), head-turner. No English at all, but google translate and some hand signals were sufficient. Came a couple of times with DATY, and she might have been a good actress but it is hard to fake the erect nipples. Very skilled BBBJ. Arranged a second night, and when she arrived in the lobby she was dressed rather elegantly in an expensive jacket and skirt. Not often that they show up looking like they actually live in a 5 star, in my experience. It was before 11 this time, and no one stopped us, but she turned a few heads in the lobby with her very good looks. BBBJ and FS like a real champ. Practically GFE, but without conversation. She seemed genuinely sad when I told her I had to go out of town the next day. Sometimes it pays to depend on the kindness of strangers. YMMV.
Chat Apps are indeed very user friendly and efficient to seek action.
However lately there're many Gong An sting operations using WeChat to set up arrests.
Some foreigners have been arrested this way due to using unknown WeChat sources.
I know that many people have had poor experiences or even scams on wechat.
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times with DATY, and she might have been a good actress but it is hard to fake the erect nipples. Very skilled BBBJ. Arranged a second night, and when she arrived in the lobby she was dressed rather elegantly in an expensive jacket and skirt. Not often that they show up looking like they actually live in a 5 star, in my experience. It was before 11 this time, and no one stopped us, but she turned a few heads in the lobby with her very good looks. BBBJ and FS like a real champ. Practically GFE, but without conversation. She seemed genuinely sad when I told her I had to go out of town the next day. Sometimes it pays to depend on the kindness of strangers. YMMV.You did not mentioned the what you paid for her service.
Hello guys,
I will be in Pingshan district of Shenzhen tomorrow and probably spend about 20 days there. As far as I know, Pingshan is an industrial area and absolutely in the middle of nowhere.
Anyone here know where I can find escort girl in Pingshan?
I appreciate your comments / helps in advance.
Thanks
Steven Jones
11-26-14, 18:19
So I had a little bit of fun in SZ thsi week, but it wasn't as good as previous times.
I know it was mostly my fault as I was lazy and hit the Shangrila area and not the village that Iks recommended.
As a quick overview, the street touts are back in action, though startign at silly prices 600 a pop, and there were no girls on show outside the towers behind Shangrila, but loads of touts.
The tower closest to the 7/11 was where I had two flops, awful service and quality, while the one with the hotels had a much better set of women. Though some were asking for 300 a time.
So I had a little bit of fun in SZ thsi week, but it wasn't as good as previous times.
I know it was mostly my fault as I was lazy and hit the Shangrila area and not the village that Iks recommended.
As a quick overview, the street touts are back in action, though startign at silly prices 600 a pop, and there were no girls on show outside the towers behind Shangrila, but loads of touts.
The tower closest to the 7/11 was where I had two flops, awful service and quality, while the one with the hotels had a much better set of women. Though some were asking for 300 a time.Hi Steve,
Thank you for the update. The people asking for 600. Did you try and say 200? I really hope the cost there did not go up to 600. That is ridiculous.
PukiMonster
11-28-14, 04:13
Chat Apps are indeed very user friendly and efficient to seek action.
However lately there're many Gong An sting operations using WeChat to set up arrests.
Some foreigners have been arrested this way due to using unknown WeChat sources.Hi ISO,
I am not disputing your statements, but I am interested in knowing where you found out about foreigners being arrested in many GA stings.
I have asked a couple of mongering colleagues (Chinese), and they were unaware of these events, and said that they have not read or seen anything in the media.
AFAIK, LE is still wary of making an individual arrest of a Laowai because of the additional paperwork and questions that still happen from higher up (up as high as Beijing) that can result. This is a different situation to an occasional Laowai being caught in the net of a major raid. And even these are not publicised as it apparently makes the collection of a nice fat bribe more difficult.
Hi Steve,
Thank you for the update. The people asking for 600. Did you try and say 200? I really hope the cost there did not go up to 600. That is ridiculous.Tom,
Tuesday of this week, I was in Luohu. I did not go to the Shangri-La, but a tout (for girls at the Shagri-La apartments), who was on the station concourse, offered me the usual "massage" for 300, and I guess negotiable down to the usual 150 or 200 (for foreigners).
BTW, I have been meaning to ask you about something you wrote earlier. This was that Chinese think that non-Chinese are somehow linked to the Police. Could you elaborate? It seems important for us to appreciate this issue and potential risk.
Kit
Tom,
Tuesday of this week, I was in Luohu. I did not go to the Shangri-La, but a tout (for girls at the Shagri-La apartments), who was on the station concourse, offered me the usual "massage" for 300, and I guess negotiable down to the usual 150 or 200 (for foreigners).
BTW, I have been meaning to ask you about something you wrote earlier. This was that Chinese think that non-Chinese are somehow linked to the Police. Could you elaborate? It seems important for us to appreciate this issue and potential risk.
KitKit,
You would have to pull up a quote and what I was talking about because I don't remember saying anything like that. I actually found in Shen Zhen the touts actually get excited when they see foreigners because they think we are all rich. I have never felt unsafe in Shen Zhen although I have been warned by many Hong Kong people otherwise. The only times I ever felt unsafe was two times and it was issues arguing over money. One with the tout and another with the girl.
I guess now people are using wechat app to hook up with girls there. Now this in my opinion would be the one thing I would say is unsafe. Because there is evidence of you attempting to commit a crime in China linked to your phone. Maybe 90% of the time you will be fine. But, why talk the chance? Second, because of the crackdown I would not feel comfortable bringing a girl back to my room. If you can speak some mandarin you can always make the argument she is your girlfriend. But, if you can't speak Chinese and she can't speak English. It does not look good.
I may try to do a China trip in May 2015 and give a detailed report.
Kit,
You would have to pull up a quote and what I was talking about because I don't remember saying anything like that.It is #10378 on the 'North China. Beijing' thread.
Ok,
This is an easy one. First you don't speak Chinese. In Chinese culture they hate it if they have to do extra than the minimum. For example if you ask for no MSG in your food because you are allergic to it. Well you will be getting double the msg. You don't speak the language. Why bother with you? Also, they suspect non Chinese are linked to police. If the girl does meet you when she sees your not Chinese she might bail.This is what I did not understand.
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