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I do not think that this would be an effective tactic.
Some mongerers claim that they ask the girl her full name, home town, family details etc. But I am even dubious about this as what ST girl is going to waste time and lose privacy in divulging details of her personal life to a stranger. Also, LE know many of the WGs. There is anecdotal evidence that the SZ LE have data bases of apartment numbers, touts and WGs (to use when appropriate).
Anyway, I am doubtful that SZ hotel rooms are being raided by LE. Where is the evidence? I do know of one case where a KTV was raided, and the rooms in the hotel attached to the KTV were also raided. But this was primarily a raid on locals, not foreigners.
I am also doubtful that SZ LE are performing large scale WeChat stings as TonyCheong claims.
But, as always, I am open minded and willing to accept testimonial evidence (but not hearsay from some 'friend'. Puki.
P.S. For those nervous visitors, I would recommend getting an apartment, rather than staying in a hotel (and be sure to get temporary resident registration).
Fifty Shades
11-30-14, 15:14
Kit,
I guess now people are using wechat app to hook up with girls there. Now this in my opinion would be the one thing I would say is unsafe. Because there is evidence of you attempting to commit a crime in China linked to your phone. Maybe 90% of the time you will be fine. But, why talk the chance? Second, because of the crackdown I would not feel comfortable bringing a girl back to my room. If you can speak some mandarin you can always make the argument she is your girlfriend. But, if you can't speak Chinese and she can't speak English. It does not look good.
I may try to do a China trip in May 2015 and give a detailed report.If China LE wants to arrest you, they will do it regardless of evidence. However, it makes sense to avoid mentioning money in a text chat. Some discussions are best had over the phone or even in person. Until money is mentioned, it is just hooking up, and there is an awful lot of that going on in chat. It would also help if one only took girls dressed properly into the hotel. IMHO. The target of the clampdown really seems to be corruption and blatant disregard of laws, not sex itself.
It is #10378 on the 'North China. Beijing' thread.
This is what I did not understand.Kitsune,
I apologize or that inaccurate statement. I wrote that post very hurried. I was multi tasking and lost my train of thought. So please let respond a lot better.
1. If you receive a text in Chinese and try to communicate with them in English. If they do not have an English speaker. You will be ignored. Mostly because they just can't communicate with you.
2. If the Chinese girl comes to your room and the operator, pimp, manager did not tell her you are a foreigner. There is a chance of her bailing a lot of times. Not because she hates foreigners. It is because Chinese girls that have not been with a lot of white guys assume all white guys have a huge dicks. So basically they worry sex will hurt.
3. Chinese from my experience do not think foreigners are linked to police.
So for the misunderstanding. I have no idea what I was thinking when I wrote that post. Actually, I do I was not thinking. LOL.
Fast Eddie 48
12-03-14, 20:39
Kitsune,
I apologize or that inaccurate statement. I wrote that post very hurried. I was multi tasking and lost my train of thought. So please let respond a lot better.
1. If you receive a text in Chinese and try to communicate with them in English. If they do not have an English speaker. You will be ignored. Mostly because they just can't communicate with you.
2. If the Chinese girl comes to your room and the operator, pimp, manager did not tell her you are a foreigner. There is a chance of her bailing a lot of times. Not because she hates foreigners. It is because Chinese girls that have not been with a lot of white guys assume all white guys have a huge dicks. So basically they worry sex will hurt.
3. Chinese from my experience do not think foreigners are linked to police.
So for the misunderstanding. I have no idea what I was thinking when I wrote that post. Actually, I do I was not thinking. LOL.To Tom.
Inaccurate is your middle name all your info is 5 yr old, you are a accident waiting to happen I don't why problem always find you should find yourself a safe house your worry too damn much.
Fast eddie 48.
2. If the Chinese girl comes to your room and the operator, pimp, manager did not tell her you are a foreigner. There is a chance of her bailing a lot of times. Not because she hates foreigners. It is because Chinese girls that have not been with a lot of white guys assume all white guys have a huge dicks. So basically they worry sex will hurt.Thank you for the explanation. I understand that you have no idea why you wrote that Chinese think foreigners are linked to the police.
I think that the quoted paragraph above is also inaccurate, so allow me to give a different perspective.
A. In my experience, the main reason of problems with an outcall is that the pimp has not told the girl the pricing or services expected.
B. Also it is interesting that in my experience, Chinese SYTs (freebies) have never complained, worried about, or been scared by, the size of my xiao didi. But WGs have invariably complained about its size (whether or not they admit to having been with lots of "white guys" Draw your own conclusions!
The previously 'safe' haven of Shenzhen is now subject to a CP-like crackdown.
Apparently, 8 members of a 30 member Taiwanese tourist group visited the 金海蓝湾夜总会 (Golden Sea Blue Gulf Nightclub) and took 8 girls back to their hotel. The hotel was the LVGM Hotel in Futian. Police subsequently raided the hotel and the guys and WGs were arrested.
Interestingly, this is the first instance (of which I am aware) of foreigners being targeted in a raid on a 5 (?) star hotel in SZ. But, of course there may be more to the story!
Be careful, and as many suggest, if you do take a girl back to your hotel, it is safer to register her. Personally, I would have booked the hotel room for 2 guests.
Ikksman.
Thank you for the explanation. I understand that you have no idea why you wrote that Chinese think foreigners are linked to the police.
I think that the quoted paragraph above is also inaccurate, so allow me to give a different perspective.
A. In my experience, the main reason of problems with an outcall is that the pimp has not told the girl the pricing or services expected.
B. Also it is interesting that in my experience, Chinese SYTs (freebies) have never complained, worried about, or been scared by, the size of my xiao didi. But WGs have invariably complained about its size (whether or not they admit to having been with lots of "white guys" Draw your own conclusions!Kitsune,
Different people has different experiences. When the touts would call girls and bring them to me to pick. A lot refused to go with me worried about my size. Yes, I was clothed. I had to calm many of them down in Chinese and everything was fine. For 200 RMB you can't beat that price.
Freebies, are not free. You have to spend a lot of your time. Dinner ect. Maybe 3 days or more too bang these non working girls. 3 days would be extremely fast. Now if you are picking girls up in Chinese bars and banging them the same night. I really wonder if they are professionals that gave you a freebie because they liked you or they actually were a non working girl. In most cases I would go with they are a part time hooker that liked you. For myself I would much rather pay. I don't want a relationship with these girls and I do not want to have to spend a week with them before I can bang them.
Steven Jones
12-04-14, 21:29
Hi Steve,
Thank you for the update. The people asking for 600. Did you try and say 200? I really hope the cost there did not go up to 600. That is ridiculous.I laughed at him and he dropped it to 400. Didn't bother with him after that, or see him on the other nights.
Kitsune,
Different people has different experiences. When the touts would call girls and bring them to me to pick. A lot refused to go with me worried about my size. Yes, I was clothed. I had to calm many of them down in Chinese and everything was fine. For 200 RMB you can't beat that price. . . . . . . . . . . Tom,
Thanks for your interesting response about WGs.
You have reported on many occasions that you have "had to calm many of them down".
There have been hundreds of posters here on the Chinese forums over the past few years (many of whom speak Chinese to varying degrees). Yet, none of them report the need to often calm the WGs down.
It is of course true that some WGs will not go with various foreigners, including Caucasian. The reasons for this attitude (eg plain racism) have been discussed a number of times on the China forums.
So if, on your many trips to China, you needed to calm many of the WGs down, then you appear to have a unique problem and I sincerely suggest that you may need to reflect on, and take steps to address the issue (if possible).
Kit
Tom,
Thanks for your interesting response about WGs.
You have reported on many occasions that you have "had to calm many of them down".
There have been hundreds of posters here on the Chinese forums over the past few years (many of whom speak Chinese to varying degrees). Yet, none of them report the need to often calm the WGs down.
It is of course true that some WGs will not go with various foreigners, including Caucasian. The reasons for this attitude (eg plain racism) have been discussed a number of times on the China forums.
So if, on your many trips to China, you needed to calm many of the WGs down, then you appear to have a unique problem and I sincerely suggest that you may need to reflect on, and take steps to address the issue (if possible).
KitI would like to add. When I say calm them down. I do not mean they are angry or flipping out. I mean they want to leave because I am white. After I talk with them they stay. I don't think anyone left after I talked with them. Not all wanted to leave but some. I don't think it had to do with anything I did. I think it had to do with my race. The total number of girls I been with in China would be something like 50 different girls. Because, I could talk with them and joke with them. I was rarely rushed in Shen Zhen and always had a blast in China. So I have nothing I wish to reflect on but good memories. But, Thank you for your concern. Now if other people went to China and was with a total of 5 girls in all their trips. Then it depends on how much experience someone has with girls there.
Maybe I am an unusual case. All these guys that go to China, don't speak the language but maybe a few words, and never have an issues in a foreign country is really amazing to me. I would say they are the unique case. Not for someone that hits China hardcore like myself.
Kit,
I know it is entertaining, but please stop. He is like a dog with a bone. So I request you to cease, as otherwise this will continue forever.I agree Puki. I would love if people stop wanting to talk about useless things and actually post a trip report in Shen Zhen. But, I won't hold my breath.
There have been repeated posts about the dangers of WeChat recently. Some posters highlight that one should never talk about pricing in a Wechat conversation.
My experience is that the pimp will never send a girl to your door unless pricing is agreed via Wechat.
What is the experience of others here? Have pimps ever sent a girl to your hotel / apartment without mentioning pricing? This seems like an invitation for conflict to me!
And does anyone have actual knowledge of LE Wechat stings in SZ (and not just hearsay)?
Kit.
P.S. I am really sick of posters posting some "information" about the current situation, but never answer subsequent questions seeking clarification. The only conclusion can be is that their post is hearsay or just plain BS.
P. P.S. Puki, I agree to your request. But it was fun. So easy to reel him in! I guess that it could have been boring to others! Sorry.
There have been repeated posts about the dangers of WeChat recently. Some posters highlight that one should never talk about pricing in a Wechat conversation.
My experience is that the pimp will never send a girl to your door unless pricing is agreed via Wechat.
What is the experience of others here? Have pimps ever sent a girl to your hotel / apartment without mentioning pricing? This seems like an invitation for conflict to me!
And does anyone have actual knowledge of LE Wechat stings in SZ (and not just hearsay)?
Kit.
P.S. I am really sick of posters posting some "information" about the current situation, but never answer subsequent questions seeking clarification. The only conclusion can be is that their post is hearsay or just plain BS.
P. P.S. Puki, I agree to your request. But it was fun. So easy to reel him in! I guess that it could have been boring to others! Sorry.Once you have agreed on pricing it is not difficult to delete that message off the conversation anyway, can't see a big deal tbh. I gave wechat a run in April in Dongguan. About 9.00 pm I just sat out the front of my hotel (Nancheng area) checking the profiles of people near me. It was mostly a sausage fest, but a few lookers within a few hundred meters. It turns out they were all fronts for providers, but still gets the job done. Within 10 minutes a tout worked out who we were & approached us at the front of the hotel. He had pics on his phone we could select from. Initially he wanted us to go with him, but we were not interested in doing that. He claimed the girls would be scared of coming to the hotel. It didn't take long once he realised we weren't going anywhere that the girls would be happy to come to the hotel.
Hasn't anybody got any intel on the SZ yanda? Come on guys! It is happening right now!
Ikksman
Once you have agreed on pricing it is not difficult to delete that message off the conversation anyway, can't see a big deal tbh...I tend to be agree that it is not a big issue, although others may disagree. However, we need to be aware that the Telco companies and Weixin store messages, so deleting from your own phone is not really a security measure. And of course the Chinese security organisations are also able to intrude on your private conversations if they want to.
I tend to be agree that it is not a big issue, although others may disagree. However, we need to be aware that the Telco companies and Weixin store messages, so deleting from your own phone is not really a security measure. And of course the Chinese security organisations are also able to intrude on your private conversations if they want to.I just can't imagine them going to that much trouble to go after a foreigner for banging a hooker. In DG about 6 weeks ago I went back to my hotel with a girl in tow. When we arrived there were police everywhere. Apparently there was a kidnapping a few hours earlier. By the time we got there most of them were milling around the lobby. Initially my heart was racing thinking how much shit I could be in, but we didn't even get a 2nd glance.
Fifty Shades
12-06-14, 14:16
I tend to be agree that it is not a big issue, although others may disagree. However, we need to be aware that the Telco companies and Weixin store messages, so deleting from your own phone is not really a security measure. And of course the Chinese security organisations are also able to intrude on your private conversations if they want to.A wechat text message could be followed up with a phone call to discuss price, before any visit to a hotel. Without text about price (agree that these are stored by telco and easily retrieved), there is not such clear evidence. In some other countries, WGs will not discuss price by text or email. WGs have been cleaning up their wechat profiles for the same reason. When the spotlight is on in a crackdown, a sensible response is to move out of the light, to the extent that is possible. For the same reason, it seems sensible to convey certain specific details of establishments and people by PM rather than in a public post on ISG. Of course, everyone will decide on their own what is an acceptable risk.
Fast Eddie 48
12-07-14, 01:10
The previously 'safe' haven of Shenzhen is now subject to a CP-like crackdown.
Apparently, 8 members of a 30 member Taiwanese tourist group visited the 金海蓝湾夜总会 (Golden Sea Blue Gulf Nightclub) and took 8 girls back to their hotel. The hotel was the LVGM Hotel in Futian. Police subsequently raided the hotel and the guys and WGs were arrested.
Interestingly, this is the first instance (of which I am aware) of foreigners being targeted in a raid on a 5 (?) star hotel in SZ. But, of course there may be more to the story!
Be careful, and as many suggest, if you do take a girl back to your hotel, it is safer to register her. Personally, I would have booked the hotel room for 2 guests.
Ikksman.To Ikksman.
There are so many Nave tourist think they cannot get caught a big group of monger get too much attention in a big hotel in SZ, maybe someone in the hotel report this to police for the crack down, I know the police in CP in offering reward up to 2000 rmb so a bell boy that only get 2000 rmb a month salary is good money not sure this is happening in SZ too, so you guy should becareful keep a low profile time is change in China you will get caught.
Fast eddie 48.
Deep fried breadstick is a colloquialism. Pinyin is yutio (not yuzh guǐ).
Ikksman
"No need to expose fools. They expose themselves!"Sorry, I was being a bit too vague.
In discussing the person in question, Mr. Yng H , one might advise:
你说不赢他，他很油条. Nǐ shuō bu yng tā, tā hěn yutio.
Ikksman
你说不赢他，他很油条. Nǐ shuō bu yng tā, tā hěn yutio.Oops, Sorry about that. Bloody UScentric software.
你说不赢他，他很油条. Nǐ shuō bu yng tā, tā hěn yutio.
Ikksman
I decided to give it try.
The wechat app can search all chicks around you so you can approach them or wait for them to hit you.
It's difficult to know who is in the business and who is a decent gal.
Tried some 10 hits and got one "real" reply.
The main issue is the English barrier-these gals can't speak English.
So you can use google translate but it takes time.
Started around 10 pm and the chick arrived around 1 am.
And she is not the one in the pic-she explained that this the way they use not to exposed.
At the room she insisted on "money up front" I refused and she called the pimp.
To make a long story short I kicked her away, was too tired, she was too costly (2000 for short time) and not so attractive as the pic.
I decided to give it try.
The wechat app can search all chicks around you so you can approach them or wait for them to hit you.
It's difficult to know who is in the business and who is a decent gal.
Tried some 10 hits and got one "real" reply.
The main issue is the English barrier-these gals can't speak English.
So you can use google translate but it takes time.
.When you search nearby, you also make yourself visible, I never approach, just search and wait, the girls who approach me are usually quite interesting.
Further, there is no need to use google translate, simply long press the Chinese text, it will automatically translate to the language in your phone. Reply in English, the recipient can do the same.
QQ has a similar facility.
Fz.
Found a very good massage place in Longhua. This is without a doubt the best massage experience I have found in all of China.
Now, I say that and the regulars on this thread are going to think, "who is this guy? I have a few posts from years ago, but have just been lurking since.
Anyway, this find was quite by chance. I flew into Hong Kong late and wanted a good nights sleep before getting on a high speed train up into Hunan. I picked a hotel in Longhua to be relatively near the high speed train station. That hotel is the Vienna International Hotel. It is a large chain, I know, but this is the one with the Greco-Roman front façade. Around the corner from this hotel (out the front door, go down the steps turn left, then left again into the food court / market area). Not more than 100 meters on the left you'll see a sign for KTV and massage. There is usually a rep out front. It's up the elevator on the 4th or 5th floor (forget). Price is very reasonable and the girls I've seen in there are all young and pretty. I've gone twice. One hour massage at around Y248. The girls are super friendly and offer happy ending, possible more. I haven't tried for more, but on both visits got the girls Wechat info. Tips wasn't even discussed on either visit, but was given. Very secure with showers and lockers. It is a very large facility.
Rogue5
Fifty Shades
12-13-14, 01:32
When you search nearby, you also make yourself visible, I never approach, just search and wait, the girls who approach me are usually quite interesting.
Further, there is no need to use google translate, simply long press the Chinese text, it will automatically translate to the language in your phone. Reply in English, the recipient can do the same.
QQ has a similar facility.
Fz.This advice is exactly right. In my limited experience with wechat in a couple of cities, you can post that you are from a foreign country and interested girls will contact you in "looking around". Most will be looking for a business transaction, but a few might be looking for a BF. The business types will quickly get to asking if you want service at the hotel. Happened to me last week. I have found that, if needed, a message like "do you want to meet in my hotel tonight? $" will separate the wheat from the chaff. Wechat translate and short, simple sentences work the best. If you are lucky and someone on her end speaks english, you may be able to finish the transaction on the phone.
No matter where you find the girl, I know that most people will refuse upfront payment, for good reasons, but I have made a few exceptions. Payment at the end may motivate better service, but I have found that telling the girl you will be in town for quite a while can also be effective. I am almost always asked after they arrive how long I will be in town, and I ask if they are available evenings for the rest of the week. As far as I can tell, they get to keep all the money on a private "date", that is not through their service. At the end of the first evening, they will give you their private phone number, wechat account, etc. I have never been asked for upfront money after the first evening. The worst thing is to tell them you are in town for just one night. YMMV.
Hi everybody,
Hope all is well on your side.
I've been reading this long with some interest.
I've been living in China for many years mostly in the North but just moved to Shenzhen.
Anyway, straight to the point I am looking for Russian and / or Europeans girls in Shenzhen to pickup in a bar and preferably GFE kind of meetings.
I know its like 1000+ RMB depending on the time they spend for outcalls.
Any advice on where is the best way to find this in Shenzhen?
I'm staying in Futian CBD in a 5 start hotel.
The worst thing is to tell them you are in town for just one night. YMMV.So right, a month of chatting on wechat sets the scene, in some cases much longer!
In two cases, meeting the lady the same day, or next day was a big disaster, my god, they were only after my money!
Fz.
I have received a few PMs, from short-term visitors, asking me where to get FS when they don't want to pay exorbitant charges for outcall / escort services of dubious value, and they don't wish to use the 200 RMB WGs in the cuns.
My suggestion is to stay in a 4 star hotel and have an in-house massage. Ask the girl about where you can get FS. In many cases, the girls will either accept the invitation themselves, or know girls who will be happy to meet with you.
Ikksman.
P.S. It seems that there was some sort of mini-crackdown last week (I was in Hunan province). Anyone with any news?
Hi everybody,
Hope all is well on your side.
I've been reading this long with some interest.
I've been living in China for many years mostly in the North but just moved to Shenzhen.
Anyway, straight to the point I am looking for Russian and / or Europeans girls in Shenzhen to pickup in a bar and preferably GFE kind of meetings.
I know its like 1000+ RMB depending on the time they spend for outcalls.
Any advice on where is the best way to find this in Shenzhen?
I'm staying in Futian CBD in a 5 start hotel.Try your luck with craigslist as they have plenty of options there for outcall to your hotel. Near the Louhu train station, you can pick a girl for a quickly in case you you seek that.
{S N I P} Anyway, straight to the point I am looking for Russian and / or Europeans girls in Shenzhen to pickup in a bar and preferably GFE kind of meetings. {S N IP} Personally, I have not seen Russian or European WGs in bars in SZ. Plenty of Pinays and sometimes Viets.
However, I only frequent the Luohu and Futian districts with occasional forays into Longgang. It is possible they may be able to be found in Nanshan (Shekou)?
Sometimes there are Euro / Russian girls on the massage / escort advertisements, but I would be suspicious of the accuracy of those adverts.
Ikksman.
Fast Eddie 48
02-03-15, 22:15
Hi everybody,
Hope all is well on your side.
I've been reading this long with some interest.
I've been living in China for many years mostly in the North but just moved to Shenzhen.
Anyway, straight to the point I am looking for Russian and / or Europeans girls in Shenzhen to pickup in a bar and preferably GFE kind of meetings.
I know its like 1000+ RMB depending on the time they spend for outcalls.
Any advice on where is the best way to find this in Shenzhen?
I'm staying in Futian CBD in a 5 start hotel.To L OWL.
Why would Russian go to SZ to work they go where the money are that Macau, HK and Singapore, there is crack down in S China right now why take the chance.
Fast eddie 48.
Last night a couple of lovely Mongolians messaged me in Beijing, they were stuck in Shenzhen with no money. Thinking there would surely be a cople of senior members on this forum who would gladly scoop them up and take good care of them for the night, I PM'd two of you seniors down there. Now these two are top performers and great lookers, wish someone would offer this sort of package out of the blue to me, but guess you all go to bed at 8 pm or you're past that sort of action, or you don't check your messages? And I'm talking double up action for the taking, right there waiting and desperate for a benefactor at a cut rate. But nobody replied. So thanks for helping them, and me with some brownie points guys. Unbelievable.
Fast Eddie 48
02-05-15, 01:24
Last night a couple of lovely Mongolians messaged me in Beijing, they were stuck in Shenzhen with no money. Thinking there would surely be a cople of senior members on this forum who would gladly scoop them up and take good care of them for the night, I PM'd two of you seniors down there. Now these two are top performers and great lookers, wish someone would offer this sort of package out of the blue to me, but guess you all go to bed at 8 pm or you're past that sort of action, or you don't check your messages? And I'm talking double up action for the taking, right there waiting and desperate for a benefactor at a cut rate. But nobody replied. So thanks for helping them, and me with some brownie points guys. Unbelievable.To Dynamic.
I got your pm but I am not in Shenzhen right now not until next month please don't PM me anymore about this, you should post this on the classifieds China not here and post a picture if any member want their service they can pm you.
Fast eddie 48.
To Dynamic.
I got your pm but I am not in Shenzhen right now not until next month please don't PM me anymore about this, you should post this on the classifieds China not here and post a picture if any member want their service they can pm you.
Fast eddie 48.Well that's gratitude. This was not an advertisement, I am not there agent. These were just a couple of girls I know who went down there for visa's and typically ended up not allowed into HK and ran out of money. They messaged me for help and I tried to assist them and you, it was all genuine and as stated, your loss because you weren't there, and obviously not interested anyway except in surfing classifieds.
You could have at least said "thank you" instead of accusing me of something that only exists in your mind. I thought the forum was about helping each other, and that's what I tried to do. Obviously you need help in another field of which I am not qualified.
Don't worry, I will not PM you again, and wish I had not wasted my time and good will this time.
Last night a couple of lovely Mongolians messaged me in Beijing, they were stuck in Shenzhen with no money. Thinking there would surely be a cople of senior members on this forum who would gladly scoop them up and take good care of them for the night, I PM'd two of you seniors down there. Now these two are top performers and great lookers, wish someone would offer this sort of package out of the blue to me, but guess you all go to bed at 8 pm or you're past that sort of action, or you don't check your messages? And I'm talking double up action for the taking, right there waiting and desperate for a benefactor at a cut rate. But nobody replied. So thanks for helping them, and me with some brownie points guys. Unbelievable.Are they still I'm SZ? I will be happy to take care of them.
Fast Eddie 48
02-06-15, 01:09
Well that's gratitude. This was not an advertisement, I am not there agent. These were just a couple of girls I know who went down there for visa's and typically ended up not allowed into HK and ran out of money. They messaged me for help and I tried to assist them and you, it was all genuine and as stated, your loss because you weren't there, and obviously not interested anyway except in surfing classifieds.
You could have at least said "thank you" instead of accusing me of something that only exists in your mind. I thought the forum was about helping each other, and that's what I tried to do. Obviously you need help in another field of which I am not qualified.
Don't worry, I will not PM you again, and wish I had not wasted my time and good will this time.To Dynamic.
Now wait just a minute you PM me out of the blue telling me you know 2 hot girl for 1000st without photo what are you thinking I don't know you from Adam, I have no idea if you are a pimp or police and I have no problem getting girl on my own in China thanks but no thanks.
Fast eddie 48.
StinkyFeet
02-06-15, 17:02
To Dynamic.
Now wait just a minute you PM me out of the blue telling me you know 2 hot girl for 1000st without photo what are you thinking I don't know you from Adam, I have no idea if you are a pimp or police and I have no problem getting girl on my own in China thanks but no thanks.
Fast eddie 48.I rarely post to ISG but this topic peaked my interest. They still around. Pm me their wechat!
I rarely post to ISG but this topic peaked my interest. They still around. Pm me their wechat!Sorry mate, they've left, if I'd seen your posts I would have let you know. Just looked for two senior members and shot them a PM. Didn't realize I had to be recognized, I am also a senior member posting in BJ, that must have been obvious, cops and pimps don't usually have more than 100 posts on ISG. This was all genuine and two lovely, lively girls there for the taking. Always keep an open mind santa does come, maybe a bit late but did arrive.
Great post, the price is 268 for full massage in private room, never saw anyone greeting outside but they have a welcome desk downstairs and sometimes there is a girl around 30 that speaks english as a host. There is no FS.
Rooms do not have private shower but at the end of the hall they have a nice shower room, you go in there by yourself, never two guys at same time.
Found a very good massage place in Longhua. This is without a doubt the best massage experience I have found in all of China.
Now, I say that and the regulars on this thread are going to think, "who is this guy? I have a few posts from years ago, but have just been lurking since.
Anyway, this find was quite by chance. I flew into Hong Kong late and wanted a good nights sleep before getting on a high speed train up into Hunan. I picked a hotel in Longhua to be relatively near the high speed train station. That hotel is the Vienna International Hotel. It is a large chain, I know, but this is the one with the Greco-Roman front faade. Around the corner from this hotel (out the front door, go down the steps turn left, then left again into the food court / market area). Not more than 100 meters on the left you'll see a sign for KTV and massage. There is usually a rep out front. It's up the elevator on the 4th or 5th floor (forget). Price is very reasonable and the girls I've seen in there are all young and pretty. I've gone twice. One hour massage at around Y248. The girls are super friendly and offer happy ending, possible more. I haven't tried for more, but on both visits got the girls Wechat info. Tips wasn't even discussed on either visit, but was given. Very secure with showers and lockers. It is a very large facility.
Rogue5
Next week I leave SZ and will relocate to Hua Hin in Thailand. I have been living in SZ since 2009 (and in fact have spent 12 of the past 17 years living in either HK or SZ).
There are many reasons why I have chosen Hua Hin as a place to live, but basically, I am going into semi-retirement. I have friends in Hua Hin, and will probably spend half my time travelling or performing smaller consulting assignments.
I will take with me a beautiful 24 yo SYT who is happy to be with me and travel and see the world. I am extremely lucky to have her, particularly as she has been aware of my mongering ways. I must be doing something right!
So I guess I will be posting very little on this forum as (unlike some), I do not believe in posting out if date information.
BTW I know of 2 saunas close to SZ (DS), which are similar to the old CP type operations. But you must speak good Chinese, and you must ring before you before you visit. No good at weekends as they are too crowded with locals. But good selection of 50-100 girls. PM me if interested.
Ikksman.
Steven Jones
02-27-15, 12:49
Next week I leave SZ and will relocate to Hua Hin in Thailand. I have been living in SZ since 2009 (and in fact have spent 12 of the past 17 years living in either HK or SZ).
There are many reasons why I have chosen Hua Hin as a place to live, but basically, I am going into semi-retirement. I have friends in Hua Hin, and will probably spend half my time travelling or performing smaller consulting assignments.
I will take with me a beautiful 24 yo SYT who is happy to be with me and travel and see the world. I am extremely lucky to have her, particularly as she has been aware of my mongering ways. I must be doing something right!
So I guess I will be posting very little on this forum as (unlike some), I do not believe in posting out if date information.
BTW I know of 2 saunas close to SZ (DS), which are similar to the old CP type operations. But you must speak good Chinese, and you must ring before you before you visit. No good at weekends as they are too crowded with locals. But good selection of 50-100 girls. PM me if interested.
Ikksman.Good luck with the move and enjoy your new digs. Thanks for all the help over the years.
SJ.
Hi all,
I would like to ask do they have nuru / tantric or soapy massage in Shenzhen? If so please could you send me the information?
Thanks for the help.
Hotfuss
Hi all,
I would like to ask do they have nuru / tantric or soapy massage in Shenzhen? If so please could you send me the information?
Thanks for the help.
HotfussHi guys,
I'd like to know about a bit about Shenzhen also.
Please help a US monger like myself!
I've been to Shenzhen for shopping a few years back and to other semi legit sauna's like water cube. But would love to get some tips also!
Hi guys,
I'd like to know about a bit about Shenzhen also.
Please help a US monger like myself!
I've been to Shenzhen for shopping a few years back and to other semi legit sauna's like water cube. But would love to get some tips also!Subs not really active?
Fast Eddie 48
03-12-15, 02:16
Hi guys,
I'd like to know about a bit about Shenzhen also.
Please help a US monger like myself!
I've been to Shenzhen for shopping a few years back and to other semi legit sauna's like water cube. But would love to get some tips also!To Monger LA.
I am also from US go to China for business 3-4 time a yr you will not like it now crack down is all over China, you can still get actions if you have contact but is tough all over you lucky if get a HJ in China sauna now days better off go to HK or Macau is expensive other options is go to Thailand.
Fast eddie 48.
CenterFire
03-12-15, 05:18
To Monger LA.
I am also from US go to China for business 3-4 time a yr you will not like it now crack down is all over China, you can still get actions if you have contact but is tough all over you lucky if get a HJ in China sauna now days better off go to HK or Macau is expensive other options is go to Thailand.
Fast eddie 48.I go to Shenzhen 2-3 times a year for business, it's a big place so you may well find yourself a good distance from this place, but if its a he your after go give this place a try.
Shenhao Leisure Center.
Jiabin Road.
Shenzhen, Guangdong.
China.
They always have a happy crew on staff and it's foreigner friendly. 238 RMB for one girl per hour.
NorthSouth
03-12-15, 14:38
I go to Shenzhen 2-3 times a year for business, it's a big place so you may well find yourself a good distance from this place, but if its a he your after go give this place a try.
Shenhao Leisure Center.
Jiabin Road.
Shenzhen, Guangdong.
China.
They always have a happy crew on staff and it's foreigner friendly. 238 RMB for one girl per hour.I may take a side trip to Shenzhan when I go to Hong Kong, so I am looking for information to see if it is worth doing so.
I did not understand your post. You said ". If it is a he your (sic) after. " and then in the last sentence you quoted the price for one girl per hour. Were you talking about a gay place. Which I am not interested in, or a girlie joint?
CenterFire
03-12-15, 18:00
I may take a side trip to Shenzhan when I go to Hong Kong, so I am looking for information to see if it is worth doing so.
I did not understand your post. You said ". If it is a he your (sic) after. " and then in the last sentence you quoted the price for one girl per hour. Were you talking about a gay place. Which I am not interested in, or a girlie joint?No, it's not a gay place, it's all girls. I was trying to say it's a HJ only place, it's always been ok to have some feeling up going on.
While your being taken care of. When I said he, I meant happy ending. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
If your in Hong Kong you won't be far from it, I recommend a visit and see for yourself.
Moderators please edit if I have said to much, Thank you.
ManonsanBoy
03-12-15, 18:54
Next week I leave SZ and will relocate to Hua Hin in Thailand. I have been living in SZ since 2009 (and in fact have spent 12 of the past 17 years living in either HK or SZ).
BTW I know of 2 saunas close to SZ (DS), which are similar to the old CP type operations. But you must speak good Chinese, and you must ring before you before you visit. No good at weekends as they are too crowded with locals. But good selection of 50-100 girls. PM me if interested.
Ikksman.Really? I am surprised. This crackdown is very serious.
PukiMonster
03-14-15, 22:46
I agree. I don't think that there are FS saunas that welcome Laowai in the whole of Guangdong province!
Really? I am surprised. This crackdown is very serious.
Really? I am surprised. This crackdown is very serious.O ye of little faith. Ye nullfidians, and those of petty fidianism.
You asked for details via PM, but if you are too lazy to create an email account (as I requested) so that I could send you business cards, then I am too lazy to translate the business cards just for you. I have sent you some details including a phone number via PM but you have not acknowledged this fact.
Ikksman.
Hi,
I arrived Shenzhen last night and called hotel massage for 268 RMB. The girl was very cute and slim and only 20 years old. She started massage with oil but after 10 minutes she started to massage my balls and dick. So I asked how much for FS and it was 1500 RMB. I was surprised but couldn't help accepting it. It was so nice having sex with the girl so I was not angry about the price any more I got her WeChat I'd and will see her in my next trip to SZ.
Today I called outcall massage service for 1150 RMB (including taxi fare), the girl was not fat but still acceptable.
I heard that the crackdown is still going on in SZ and DG but in hotel massage is fine to try, if you can agree with the price.
Joe
OldAsiaHand
03-23-15, 21:37
Hi,
I arrived Shenzhen last night and called hotel massage for 268 RMB. The girl was very cute and slim and only 20 years old. She started massage with oil but after 10 minutes she started to massage my balls and dick. So I asked how much for FS and it was 1500 RMB. I was surprised but couldn't help accepting it. It was so nice having sex with the girl so I was not angry about the price any more I got her WeChat I'd and will see her in my next trip to SZ.
Today I called outcall massage service for 1150 RMB (including taxi fare), the girl was not fat but still acceptable.
I heard that the crackdown is still going on in SZ and DG but in hotel massage is fine to try, if you can agree with the price.
JoeJoe,
What is China / SZ coming to? If you add the 268 RMB massage fee, you are taking about US $300ST. This is the price for an escort anywhere in the world. I guess China is not a third world mongering destination anymore.
Just my POV.
OAH.
NorthSouth
03-24-15, 13:12
Joe,
What is China / SZ coming to? If you add the 268 RMB massage fee, you are taking about US $300ST. This is the price for an escort anywhere in the world. I guess China is not a third world mongering destination anymore.
Just my P
OAH.I still think China is a bargain. He did not haggle (which I am nit good at either) and he seemed to have enjoyed the encounter. US 300 would not be enough for mongering in decent club in Amsterdam, and I am not talking about upscale places like the old Yab Yum.
Fast Eddie 48
03-25-15, 02:32
I have got many email from newbie or member have not been to China for over 2 yrs planning to attend ther canton fair in April and ask me for advice for actions, the crack down are still in full force many sauna are only offer Hand Job and massage only no FS, I advice all you newbie to go other country like Indonesia, Thailand or Manila for mongering don't take a chance to do time in the China Jail.
Fast eddie 48.
Joe,
What hotel did you stay at? Should have haggled on the price.
Hi,
I arrived Shenzhen last night and called hotel massage for 268 RMB. The girl was very cute and slim and only 20 years old. She started massage with oil but after 10 minutes she started to massage my balls and dick. So I asked how much for FS and it was 1500 RMB. I was surprised but couldn't help accepting it. It was so nice having sex with the girl so I was not angry about the price any more I got her WeChat I'd and will see her in my next trip to SZ.
Today I called outcall massage service for 1150 RMB (including taxi fare), the girl was not fat but still acceptable.
I heard that the crackdown is still going on in SZ and DG but in hotel massage is fine to try, if you can agree with the price.
Joe
OldAsiaHand
03-25-15, 18:15
Joe,
What hotel did you stay at? Should have haggled on the price.I reckon the price could have been 600-800 RMB, including the massage fee.
Fast Eddie 48
03-26-15, 00:09
Joe,
What hotel did you stay at? Should have haggled on the price.To Dinotrex.
That is the going rate now at Shanghai is even higher most sauna is only offer HJ and Massage only and service and quality is down, it is a seller market now most sauna don't want to take a chance to get arrested, so your option is Macau and Hong Kong and paid high price there.
Fast eddie 48.
Eric Burden
03-28-15, 15:48
I agree with the recent posts on the crackdowns in SZ. But I have had good luck recently with taking girls out of a massage parlor. Basically, go to a massage parlor and ask for a body massage in my nearby hotel and the accompany the girl back to my room. I have done this several times with different girls. Usually you get a legit massage and you fondle her or she rubs against you to convey extras. Then negotiate the tip. Usually 600 rmb for full service. This is on top of the massage fee. I have been satisfied.
- you are lucky if the girl can speak some English, better to know a bit of Chinese.
- sometimes I get a BBBJ, but it is not common in China.
- it seems safe from LE, no one cares, no one is embarrassed, legit reason to have a masseuse in your room. I don't see the police kicking down the door of a hotel room.
PukiMonster
04-05-15, 22:40
I have been reading elsewhere of BBS action in places such as Daxin Cun, a number of cuns in Buji, and various places in Longgang district (Shenzhen Bei and near Huizhou). Girls are supposed to be cheaper, younger and better than the usual cuns in Luohu and Futian (and MILFs at 50 rmb?
Does anyone know whether this is all BS or worth the effort to investigate? SEAJ, can you comment?
I return to SZ in June, and will investigate then, but if any adventurous members would like to test the waters and report before then, it would be appreciated (and may prove beneficial to all SZ based members).
Pukimonster
Fast Eddie 48
04-07-15, 00:33
I have been reading elsewhere of BBS action in places such as Daxin Cun, a number of cuns in Buji, and various places in Longgang district (Shenzhen Bei and near Huizhou). Girls are supposed to be cheaper, younger and better than the usual cuns in Luohu and Futian (and MILFs at 50 rmb?
Does anyone know whether this is all BS or worth the effort to investigate? SEAJ, can you comment?
I return to SZ in June, and will investigate then, but if any adventurous members would like to test the waters and report before then, it would be appreciated (and may prove beneficial to all SZ based members).
PukimonsterTo Puki.
Why don, t you go find out yourself if you find actions read a report about it, most report are outdated like yourself.
Fast eddie 48.
PukiMonster
04-07-15, 01:32
I have been reading elsewhere of BBS action in places such as Daxin Cun, a number of cuns in Buji, and various places in Longgang district (Shenzhen Bei and near Huizhou). Girls are supposed to be cheaper, younger and better than the usual cuns in Luohu and Futian (and MILFs at 50 rmb?
Does anyone know whether this is all BS or worth the effort to investigate? SEAJ, can you comment?
I return to SZ in June, and will investigate then, but if any adventurous members would like to test the waters and report before then, it would be appreciated (and may prove beneficial to all SZ based members).
PukimonsterI should also add ShuiBei Cun to the list of places that I would investigate if I was in SZ.
Outdated Puki.
First post here for me, so I thought I should introduce myself first.
I lived all my life in Europe but originally from Asia, so I guess I am a kind of a mixture of both cultures. I have had no experience what so ever of this "activity" in Europe and not much here in China either.
I have now been in China around two years and have had quite a lot action, but for free. Sounds good right, but hold on and let me explain what I mean. I have met girls in stores, restaurants, banks, we chat, through friends etc. And honestly 80% of the times have led to some action.
However, that required quite lots of work: Dinners, romantic evenings, KTV sessions etc. Not to mention, the endless chatting (and "white lies" on we chat just to keep the girls around and let them feel that I still care about them. If we talked about 3-4 I guess it is OK but when the we chat list is over 300 people is quite hard to keep track, who is who and frankly I do not have the energy or the time for it. Also you get greedy I guess and no matter how sexy the girl is you always look for new challenges (which means more time needs to be invested) as the same old process feels quite boring. (Hey, where you from? How old are you? What do you work with? How are you today? Blablabla).
When I first arrived here I had no problem staying up in the evenings and chat to women but after a year or so I became lazy. Now I prefer just relaxing, watch movie or eat a nice meal.
So.
A few months ago I tried my first 141 girl in Hong Kong. Even though I am very familiar with Hong Kong (Have been there at least 30 times before and know my way around) I felt very nervous. Took me three days from the first time I saw the 141 site until I finally visited a woman. I had no idea this was legal and I was also afraid to getting robbed by gangsters since this thing was so new to me.
After doing some research I decided to try again and got hooked. I could not believe how easy it was! No need to invest a lots of time, no need to keep track of who is who, no need for anything really except find the place and do what I came to do. Of course has downsides to it as well but I am aware that this is the Shenzhen thread so I save a more detailed report for the Hong Kong one. Anyway, after many visits to HK walk-ups I kind of got lazy again.
Now I want to find action in Shenzhen!
It is about this time I found this forum and starting to read all the great experiences from members in here. After briefly (real briefly) trying to find Xiang xi cun and the place around Shangri-La I decided to wait. I did not feel ready, I do not know why. Scared maybe, afraid of the unknown, who knows.
So instead I decided to try outcall service. Found them on the usual advertising sites that are considered "legit" but stupid as I am I trusted the adverts. "REAL PICS", "No agency" etc. However after calling a few numbers I realized that the English speaking women in the phone ws the same woman. Over and over again. I guess she got tired of my endless stupid questions so after awhile she told me. Hey, you been calling my numbers all evening now! Do you want or not?! And I explained that my questions was not to annoy, I am just new to this and I felt that I suspect this was a scam. After all, all the "Real girl in PICS" was just BS. Later I told her sorry but I do not trust people that lying to me but with lets give it a try then.
She agreed to send me a girl and to meet me outside, nearby the hotel (Yes outside, because I wanted to do some surveillance first and see if the woman actually showed up alone, please do not laugh at me guys. I Just try to be careful) .
She showed up after 40 minutes. But the car that dropped her off was still there waiting on a distance. I might have watched too many movies or something but I felt it could be a set up? No? Or I didn't know. Anyway I saw two men in the car waiting and she called me. I asked her about the two men in the car and she said it was no problem, never mind but I just had a strange feeling about it so I decided to back off. I also told myself never to try these adverts again.
Few days later and I was bored again. This time I decided to try a "we chat girl" that contacted me a few weeks earlier. I had nothing to lose and this woman might even be the real one showing up I stupidly thought. She told me 800 RMB for two hours, asked about my hotel number and name. I asked about why do you know my name and she told me that if anyone asks her about why she visit the hotel she must know my name. OK sounds logic.
After about 1 hour she arrived. Not the same girl in the pictures of course but even better looking. Wow. Had fantastic sex and felt more relaxing than the 141 girls. No rush, she tongue-kissed me and had a killer body and face. So far so good. But. When she was about to leave she wanted 1600 RMB!
I looked confused and told her that we (the woman in we chat) and I agreed on 800 RMB for two hours, not one. She told me that this woman lied to me and made a phone call to someone, maybe her or her boss. I asked to speak with her boss but she declined. I then told her that I do not want any problems but we actually agreed, I kind of felt cheated. She understood and wanted me to pay 1200 RMB then and I gave up. After all, session was good and really did not want any problems. She looked satisfied and gave me her personal we chat for future bookings.
Anyway I had no intention to book her again since I felt that she tried to cheat me so got on we chat again to try find new working girls.
The following week I had found a new one. I felt more comfortable and not that paranoid as I was the first time and the same procedure happened again. The we chat girl quoted one price while the real woman said another. This time the we chat girl told me 600 RMB for two hours and the woman said that 600 RMB was only for one hour. WTH! I explained that this happened once before and I told her I felt cheated, in a kind way of course. She told me that the we chat girls acts like bouncers for the girls and take a quite big cut. Then the boss gets a cut as well and the girl pretty much gets what is left of it. She told me to book with her directly and then she could give me a better price. I agreed on only one hour this time which sat me back 600 RMB but I felt OK since I now understood how everything worked. Sex was pretty good and I convinced myself that it was not too bad after all comparing with 141. Way more comfortable, on the downside I have no chance at choosing girl and if I would turn anyone don I had to wait another hour. Never mind I was happy about the first two girls that had bodies for my taste, one with a great face and one with so so face.
After this I have been doing another session with the first woman and two other new ones. The two new ones was not really my taste so I now start to thinking about finding courage to finally visit a FS sauna or a barber shop. However I do need to do some more research on it until I feel I am ready for it.
Sorry for the long introduction guys, not much to share but I thought it might be better than nothing.
First post here for me, so I thought I should introduce myself first.
I lived all my life in Europe but originally from Asia, so I guess I am a kind of a mixture of both cultures. I have had no experience what so ever of this "activity" in Europe and not much here in China either.
I have now been in China around two years and have had quite a lot action, but for free. Sounds good right, but hold on and let me explain what I mean. I have met girls in stores, restaurants, banks, we chat, through friends etc. And honestly 80% of the times have led to some action.
However, that required quite lots of work: Dinners, romantic evenings, KTV sessions etc. Not to mention, the endless chatting (and "white lies" on we chat just to keep the girls around and let them feel that I still care about them. If we talked about 3-4 I guess it is OK but when the we chat list is over 300 people is quite hard to keep track, who is who and frankly I do not have the energy or the time for it. Also you get greedy I guess and no matter how sexy the girl is you always look for new challenges (which means more time needs to be invested) as the same old process feels quite boring. (Hey, where you from? How old are you? What do you work with? How are you today? Blablabla).
When I first arrived here I had no problem staying up in the evenings and chat to women but after a year or so I became lazy. Now I prefer just relaxing, watch movie or eat a nice meal...Nice trip report. The lesson you should have learned is always double check price with girl before you do anything. In Asia they are always trying to scam you.
PukiMonster
04-11-15, 07:36
After this I have been doing another session with the first woman and two other new ones. The two new ones was not really my taste so I now start to thinking about finding courage to finally visit a FS sauna or a barber shop. However I do need to do some more research on it until I feel I am ready for it.
Sorry for the long introduction guys, not much to share but I thought it might be better than nothing.Thanks for reporting your endeavors.
Good luck finding FS saunas in SZ (and be sure to let us know if you do find any). Currently, most posters only report high-end expensive clubs with FS saunas in SZ, plus a few FS saunas in Danshui. Probably none of them able to be visited by Westerners.
Puki
Nice trip report. The lesson you should have learned is always double check price with girl before you do anything. In Asia they are always trying to scam you.Yeah, quite annoying that there is one price when booking and then when the girl shows up they change it. They must think we are all desperate and try to pull a dirty one on us which unfortunately often works. I caved in the first couple of times but promised myself never again. No matter how hot the girl is. LOL.
Thanks for reporting your endeavors.
Good luck finding FS saunas in SZ (and be sure to let us know if you do find any). Currently, most posters only report high-end expensive clubs with FS saunas in SZ, plus a few FS saunas in Danshui. Probably none of them able to be visited by Westerners.
PukiThanks!
I never been to a sauna before so I will try it out in HK first. If I like it then I will consider to put some time on it.
By the way is it even worth it in Shenzhen? I mean HK is so close and I usually go there few times every month.
Thanks!
I never been to a sauna before so I will try it out in HK first. If I like it then I will consider to put some time on it.
By the way is it even worth it in Shenzhen? I mean HK is so close and I usually go there few times every month.The tout will usually agree to discount the service so that he gets his cut. But he generally does not tell the girl this fact. So when the girl arrives at a 5 star hotel she has expectations of getting a windfall from a newbie foreigner.
The girls most commonly tell you the price as soon as they are in the room. This is too late! The mongerer can protest all he likes, showing phone texts with the tout etc. But the problem is that the girl is in your room and she does not want to leave. She will yell and scream on her phone at the tout, and maybe offer a small discount to you, but she won't leave. and even if you relent and agree to the inflated price, it will likely take the edge off your hunger.
The solution is to get the girl to tell you her price before you let her into your room. She may try and push into the room, but if she does not agree to your price, close the door firmly in her face.
BTW your experiences in saunas in HK and SZ can be very different. Even non-FS saunas in SZ will offer a greater variety of services, often offer a buffet of food (varies from sauna to sauna) and you may stay as long as you like (even sleeping overnight is sometimes possible). Check some of the posts to learn more about the types of saunas in Southern China. I know a HK married couple who travel to SZ for veggie massages as they are much cheaper and better than in HK.
Ikksman.
P.S. I feel that you speak Mandarin. I would appreciate if you can post the Mandarin used for "sister door to door service?". I have experienced the phrases "sòng wàimài de nǚrén", "shàngmén jìnǚ" and I have heard of "chūtái xiǎojie" used to describe outcall girls.
P.P.S. WRT to freebies I suggest that you do not spend so much time courting them. On your first date, find an excuse to invite them to your apartment (I often used the excuse of using translation app on computer, or showing photographs of overseas places etc). If they refuse, then move on to the next girl unless you particularly enamoured of her. Your success rate of 80% might drop a bit, but your total number of successes should increase dramatically.
Ikks
This is my first post as a member to this forum and in it I will review my sorry recent mongering experiences in Luohu. It is a bit of a long post.
I am not new to this hobby, I have been mongering for many years; some of it in cities all over the USA where I live, and some of it in Asia and Europe when I travel on business. I am a purveyor of FS services, and massage. I sometimes am up for incall, but usually I do outcall.
I am not even new to mongering in Shenzhen though I have to admit, pursuing this hobby is rather difficult in Shenzhen. My recent experiences are of the opposite of my early experiences back 2 years ago, when I used to stay at the Kemp. Hotel near the Shenzhen Bay crossing. I found that if I order in-room massage, a young and beautiful woman would show up, and give an outstanding massage. Toward the end, there would be subtle suggestions of more and if you were willing to take a second mortgage on your house to pay the up-charge, you would be treated to the very best FS session ever. I am a one-pop guy but I still fondly recall 3 outstanding pops in one 2-hour session, then calling the girl back the next night for more. None of my other Shenzhen experiences have been as good as the ones I had at the Kemp. Hotel. I have generally have the usual mix of some good, some not so good.
This trip has certainly been different. This time I stayed at Luohou to partake in the scene here. On the first day, I had lots of time so went to the Xiang Xi Cun after reading about it at length in this thread. I was pretty excited to try it out. I entered at the described location and wandered the streets (not the back alleys). For some reason, I was really very nervous to walk through those narrow alleys. I never get nervous when out hunting but this time I was, and I don't know why. So despite the really good looking young women I could see down those alleys, I eventually gave up and returned to my hotel. Then, I decided to go to the area near the border crossing. I walked down Renmin Rd to the spot where the city is digging up the street to build a new metro station. That spot is right near the border, just north of Nanhu Road (elevated highway). At that spot, I turned west and walked along the sidewalk to Jianshe Road, passing about 5 or so massage shops. Young men and women in front of those shops all promised a fine massage, but I had my doubts so I chatted with them, but kept on going.
At Jianshe Road, I turned right and walked one block north, then turned east, walking up a small street back to Renmin Rd. As I walked, I could see that the mamasans were waiting for me. As I walked by they pounced, one by one. They promised me the moon, but of course with my lack of Chinese, who knows what they were really saying. So I went upstairs with one of quite persistent one, into an apartment she wanted me to enter.
OMG! The squalor of that apartment made me give up any idea of having a good time. Small, cramped, with an entrance hallway / cooking area, two bedrooms and a bathroom, all of it in less space than my small hotel room. And everything inside was filthy and old and broken down. A shirtless man was sitting on a worn-out sofa watching TV. Next to him was the supposedly beautiful girl I was expected to enjoy myself with. The mood just ran away from me. My willie retreated deep inside of me. And imagining that I would be fucking her just a foot away from the man watching TV on the other side of the wall, just made me want to run. But. The little head had not completely lost control so I told the mamasan that I wanted to see another girl. Off we went to the apartment across the hall, where the girl there was not any better than the first. And that apartment was just as bad as the first one. So I just thanked the lady and off I went, down the stairs. She ran after me, chasing md down the street, telling me she had a third girl to show me. I kept walking, dodging the other 2 mamasans that approached me now that they could see I was easy prey.
Back at my hotel I relaxed, then after dinner I decided to walk around the area. Unexpectedly, right outside my hotel I was approached by a well dressed young man who told me he could have a nice girl to my room in just 10 minutes. He had beautiful pics on his phone. So I selected one, agreed to 400 for the hour and went up to my room to get ready. After about 45 minutes the girl he sent knocked on my door. I opened it up and a really nice looking young woman entered. She looked at me in total surprise, rapidly talked to me in Chinese, on and on and on about something, and I could not figure out what was going on. She called someone on her phone, they talked for a minute, then she hung up. And then. She just walked out of my room and left! Was I ever surprised.
So, still unsatisfied I decided to go walk back to the massage places near the order crossing. I passed by all the massage places, but not after going inside two of them to see the girls. None were pretty or looked like they wanted to please me. So I kept going. At the corner of Jianshe Road, I found the Century Plaza Hotel and went inside. There I found another massage place in the lobby. One lady, named herself Jin Jin, and she was nicer and smiled more than the others. So I took a massage from her. She was really nice, spoke enough English, and gave a truly excellent massage. But. No happy ending, that is not allowed in the place. But I really liked her, she was very nice and friendly, so we arranged for her to come to my hotel this morning for much more fun.
This morning, at breakfast, the negotiation started by text-mail. She wanted RMB 4,000. Yup, I kid you not, that is what she wanted. The negotiation went back and forth for a while until I gave up and cut it off. It was obvious that there was no way to make her happy without going bankrupt.
By now I was feeling pretty horny so back I went to Xiang Xi Cun and this time, with great nervous-ness, I entered the narrow alleys. It did not take long until I found me a beauty. Really nice looking. Her papasan wanted 400 and I offered 150. We settled on 200. The man kept 150 and gave the girl 50. That is all she got. Up we went to her apartment. This one was just as small as the one I had been in the evening before, but much cleaner and more tidy. But certainly not very nice. We went into a small room, closed the door and the "fun" began. I put the word in quotes because it was not fun at all. Within seconds she had all her clothes off and mine too. With my willie still limp from lack of anything erotic or exciting going on, she put on the hat and started to suck. Without too much effort she had me hard enough for insertion. Up and down a few times, always saying "I love you baby" over and over. I bet she had no idea what she was saying. The only touching she let me do was to fondle her small perky breasts a bit. It was all over in 5 minutes. Maybe even 4 minutes. Possibly even 3 . This was not even "wham bam thank you mam" as there was not even enough time for the "wham". Just the "bam". I dressed and slid out of that apartment pretty darn quickly.
So that is the long story of my first two days in Luohu. Not very satisfactory at all. I am sure there is better mongering to be found here, but I am not sure where to go next!
The girls most commonly tell you the price as soon as they are in the room. This is too late! The mongerer can protest all he likes, showing phone texts with the tout etc. But the problem is that the girl is in your room and she does not want to leave. She will yell and scream on her phone at the tout, and maybe offer a small discount to you, but she won't leave. and even if you relent and agree to the inflated price, it will likely take the edge off your hunger.
The solution is to get the girl to tell you her price before you let her into your room. She may try and push into the room, but if she does not agree to your price, close the door firmly in her face.
IkksI had this very problem once at a hotel in SZ. She yelled at her "agent" on the phone. I talked to him, she tried to negotiate with me. I yelled at him. Finally I asked her to just leave. She refused. So I calmly walked over to the phone on the table next to me and called the front desk. I told them (so that she could hear) that I wanted a security person to come up to my room immediately, because I had a female guest in my room and she refused to leave. I told them that I was concerned for my safety. They came pretty quick. By the time they arrived, she had left.
Another time, at yet another hotel, I had no problem but did have a strange experience. I had a pretty good time with the girl. About 10 minutes after she left, the phone in my room rang. It was the hotel security. They knew I had just had a "guest", they knew that the guest had just left, and they wanted to know if I was OK! I was a bit taken aback, but then realized that this was actually pretty good!
Ikksman,
It is funny to read about people that have had exactly the same experiences. Seems to be the standard act from outcalls in SZ. What I do not understand is that this behavior will probably let the customer unsatisfied, which means he will never use their service again. Lying about real pics, lying about the price, almost with force try to get more money from the already cheated customer. In my eyes seems like a real bad business plan. :
About saunas, is the rooms usually very small or different everywhere? I went to a few massage places and all the beds are too small to do anything in. All beds seemed to be exactly the same.
I only speak a little bit of mandarin, I am not Chinese even though everybody think I am. I also do not have the texts anymore since I delete anything that mentions money or service after contacting that person. I do have some other texts by people I never contacted. I tried to post Chinese text here, but can't. The text translates into number combinations only for some reason so I post the translated versions. All pretty similar:
"Kiss, I am a part-time sister, service content, take a bath, massage, chest, oral sex, sex, and so on, a full set of 800 time, sleep time for two hours, 1200 (night at ten o 'clock in the morning, at 8 o 'clock, don't offer local). ".
"Part-time sister, Hello, I am on hotel services, (mandarin duck bath, massage, boh push, blow xiao, sex) a complete set of 800,1200 for the night, do not provide places, if you are the one!
"Need a door-to-door service?
About freebies. I totally understand what you mean but I am quite uncomfortable inviting them too quick. Not sure why. I usually meet them 2-3 times first. I met a few that was quite easy, wanted to come back to my hotel after only meeting once, and one that came to my hotel the first time we met after chatting a few days. But I only act like that to women that I do not care about if they refuse me or think I am a freak. " desperate hours ", in other words. LOL.
This is my first post as a member to this forum and in it I will review my sorry recent mongering experiences in Luohu. It is a bit of a long post.Thanks for the post. I believe you accurately reflect the current state of BBS and hotel massage in SZ. I must admit it is difficult for the short term visitor to achieve mongering heaven in SZ. It has never recovered from the 2014 CNY crackdown, before which many hotels had FS saunas etc etc.
I found that if I order in-room massage, a young and beautiful woman would show up, and give an outstanding massage. Toward the end, there would be subtle suggestions of more and if you were willing to take a second mortgage on your house to pay the up-charge, you would be treated to the very best FS session ever. I am a one-pop guy but I still fondly recall 3 outstanding pops in one 2-hour session, then calling the girl back the next night for more. None of my other Shenzhen experiences have been as good as the ones I had at the Kemp. Hotel. I have generally have the usual mix of some good, some not so good.This is probably the best approach for short term visitors to SZ. And get the girl's phone number and Wechat. Then you can probably arrange a visit and negotiate a more favourable rate. You could also ask the girl if she has any friends that would like to meet you.
This trip has certainly been different. This time I stayed at Luohou to partake in the scene here. On the first day, I had lots of time so went to the Xiang Xi Cun after reading about it at length in this thread. I was pretty excited to try it out. I entered at the described location and wandered the streets (not the back alleys). For some reason, I was really very nervous to walk through those narrow alleys. The dark and narrow alleys of Xiangxi Cun can be quite intimidating to the first time visitor. In contrast, the bright, open streets of Luohu Cun are almost welcoming. I have posted photos of the streets here some months ago. The apartments at Luohu Cun are also generally fairly clean. My recommendation would be to go to the southern end of the cun (there is a small police box there and a small hotel). There is usually a 3 or 4 touts hanging around there. Most are men, but there is one friendly 40 ish lady with quite a nice rack. She will show you some reasonable girls and you can get lucky. Don't go with the old women touts that work all along the road (back to the main entrance road). Additionally, ignore the many girls hanging out of the massage places and the hairdressing salons.
At Jianshe Road, I turned right and walked one block north, then turned east, walking up a small street back to Renmin Rd. As I walked, I could see that the mamasans were waiting for me. As I walked by they pounced, one by one. They promised me the moon, but of course with my lack of Chinese, who knows what they were really saying. So I went upstairs with one of quite persistent one, into an apartment she wanted me to enter.They usually just say "massageee" and "young girl". You probably entered the block of 5 apartment towers comprising Luohu Mansions via a (main) back entrance. These are actually above the many massage shops along Chunfeng Lu opposite the Century Plaza Hotel.
Another poster (staying at the Home Inn around the corner on Renmin Nan Lu) claimed he could stay all day out of the rain, meeting and shagging WGs via touts, one after the other, without ever being able to step a foot outside the building. A likely story! Don't believe everything that you read on ISG! Haha!
These are not the "Shangri La" apartments which have been written about ad nauseum here. The "Shagri La" apartments are on the south side of the expressway and the new MTR construction underneath. You were on the north side.
After about 45 minutes the girl he sent knocked on my door. I opened it up and a really nice looking young woman entered. She looked at me in total surprise, rapidly talked to me in Chinese, on and on and on about something, and I could not figure out what was going on. She called someone on her phone, they talked for a minute, then she hung up. And then. She just walked out of my room and left! Was I ever surprised.Probably she was not told that you were a westerner. Occasionally happens. I have had girls say to me that they do not go with "foreign friend".
At the corner of Jianshe Road, I found the Century Plaza Hotel and went inside. There I found another massage place in the lobby. One lady, named herself Jin Jin, and she was nicer and smiled more than the others. So I took a massage from her. She was really nice, spoke enough English, and gave a truly excellent massage. But. No happy ending, that is not allowed in the place. But I really liked her, she was very nice and friendly, so we arranged for her to come to my hotel this morning for much more fun.This has been exclusively a veggie massage facility for at least 6 years to my knowledge (I thought the entrance was outside on Chunfeng Lu). But this shows that even at veggie places it is possible to arrange later "trysts".
This morning, at breakfast, the negotiation started by text-mail. She wanted RMB 4,000. Yup, I kid you not, that is what she wanted. The negotiation went back and forth for a while until I gave up and cut it off. It was obvious that there was no way to make her happy without going bankrupt.When you realise that the minimum monthly wage in SZ is about 2,000 rmb, and as low as 1,100 rmb in some other areas of Guangdong province, you appreciate how ridiculous a demand for 4,000 rmb is.
So that is the long story of my first two days in Luohu. Not very satisfactory at all. I am sure there is better mongering to be found here, but I am not sure where to go next!My suggestions are to:
• continue using the massage girls in your hotel.
• chat up girls in "veggie" saunas for out of working hours dates.
• try the WGs at Shatsui Cun (I have included some maps below from a guide that I was compiling prior to the CNY yanda).
• negotiate with the mamasans in the courtyard next to the Best Western Hotel near Luohu station.
Another time, at yet another hotel, I had no problem but did have a strange experience. I had a pretty good time with the girl. About 10 minutes after she left, the phone in my room rang. It was the hotel security. They knew I had just had a "guest", they knew that the guest had just left, and they wanted to know if I was OK! I was a bit taken aback, but then realized that this was actually pretty good!This is SOP for hotels in the Philippines, but I did not know that it was also practised in China.
Good luck,
Ikksman.
This is my first post as a member to this forum and in it I will review my sorry recent mongering experiences in Luohu. It is a bit of a long post.Thanks for the post. I believe you accurately reflect the current state of BBS and hotel massage in SZ. I must admit it is difficult for the short term visitor to achieve mongering heaven in SZ. It has never recovered from the 2014 CNY crackdown, before which many hotels had FS saunas etc etc.
I found that if I order in-room massage, a young and beautiful woman would show up, and give an outstanding massage. Toward the end, there would be subtle suggestions of more and if you were willing to take a second mortgage on your house to pay the up-charge, you would be treated to the very best FS session ever. I am a one-pop guy but I still fondly recall 3 outstanding pops in one 2-hour session, then calling the girl back the next night for more. None of my other Shenzhen experiences have been as good as the ones I had at the Kemp. Hotel. I have generally have the usual mix of some good, some not so good.This is probably the best approach for short term visitors to SZ. And get the girl's phone number and Wechat. Then you can probably arrange a visit and negotiate a more favourable rate. You could also ask the girl if she has any friends that would like to meet you.
This trip has certainly been different. This time I stayed at Luohou to partake in the scene here. On the first day, I had lots of time so went to the Xiang Xi Cun after reading about it at length in this thread. I was pretty excited to try it out. I entered at the described location and wandered the streets (not the back alleys). For some reason, I was really very nervous to walk through those narrow alleys. The dark and narrow alleys of Xiangxi Cun can be quite intimidating to the first time visitor. In contrast, the bright, open streets of Luohu Cun are almost welcoming. I have posted photos of the streets here some months ago. The apartments at Luohu Cun are also generally fairly clean. My recommendation would be to go to the southern end of the cun (there is a small police box there and a small hotel). There are usually 3 or 4 touts hanging around there. Most are men, but there is one friendly 40 ish lady with quite a nice rack. She will show you some reasonable girls and you can get lucky. Don't go with the old mamasan hags that are all along the road (back to the main entrance road). Their girls are ugly. Additionally, ignore the many girls hanging out of the massage places and the hairdressing salons.
At Jianshe Road, I turned right and walked one block north, then turned east, walking up a small street back to Renmin Rd. As I walked, I could see that the mamasans were waiting for me. As I walked by they pounced, one by one. They promised me the moon, but of course with my lack of Chinese, who knows what they were really saying. So I went upstairs with one of quite persistent one, into an apartment she wanted me to enter.They usually just say "massageee" and "young girl". You probably entered the block of 5 apartment towers comprising Luohu Mansions via a (main) back entrance. These are actually above the many massage shops along Chunfeng Lu opposite the Century Plaza Hotel.
Another poster (staying at the Home Inn around the corner on Renmin Nan Lu) claimed he could stay all day out of the rain, meeting and shagging WGs via touts, one after the other, without ever being able to step a foot outside the building. A likely story! Don't believe everything that you read on ISG! Haha!
These are not the "Shangri La" apartments which have been written about ad nauseum here. The "Shagri La" apartments are on the south side of the expressway and the new MTR construction underneath. You were on the north side.
After about 45 minutes the girl he sent knocked on my door. I opened it up and a really nice looking young woman entered. She looked at me in total surprise, rapidly talked to me in Chinese, on and on and on about something, and I could not figure out what was going on. She called someone on her phone, they talked for a minute, then she hung up. And then. She just walked out of my room and left! Was I ever surprised.Probably she was not told that you were a westerner. Occasionally happens. I have had girls say to me that they do not go with "foreign friend".
At the corner of Jianshe Road, I found the Century Plaza Hotel and went inside. There I found another massage place in the lobby. One lady, named herself Jin Jin, and she was nicer and smiled more than the others. So I took a massage from her. She was really nice, spoke enough English, and gave a truly excellent massage. But. No happy ending, that is not allowed in the place. But I really liked her, she was very nice and friendly, so we arranged for her to come to my hotel this morning for much more fun.This has been exclusively a veggie massage facility for at least 6 years to my knowledge (I thought the entrance was outside on Chunfeng Lu). But this shows that even at veggie places it is possible to arrange later "trysts".
This morning, at breakfast, the negotiation started by text-mail. She wanted RMB 4,000. Yup, I kid you not, that is what she wanted. The negotiation went back and forth for a while until I gave up and cut it off. It was obvious that there was no way to make her happy without going bankrupt.When you realise that the minimum monthly wage in SZ is about 2,000 rmb, and as low as 1,100 rmb in some other areas of Guangdong province, you appreciate how ridiculous a demand for 4,000 rmb is.
So that is the long story of my first two days in Luohu. Not very satisfactory at all. I am sure there is better mongering to be found here, but I am not sure where to go next!My suggestions are to:
• continue using the massage girls in your hotel.
• chat up girls in "veggie" saunas for out of working hours dates.
• try the WGs at Shatsui Cun (I have included some maps below from a guide that I was compiling prior to the CNY yanda).
• negotiate with the mamasans in the courtyard next to the Best Western Hotel near Luohu station.
Another time, at yet another hotel, I had no problem but did have a strange experience. I had a pretty good time with the girl. About 10 minutes after she left, the phone in my room rang. It was the hotel security. They knew I had just had a "guest", they knew that the guest had just left, and they wanted to know if I was OK! I was a bit taken aback, but then realized that this was actually pretty good!This is SOP for hotels in the Philippines, but I did not know that it was also practised in China.
Good luck,
Ikksman.
This is my first post as a member to this forum and in it I will review my sorry recent mongering experiences in Luohu. It is a bit of a long post.
I am not new to this hobby, I have been mongering for many years; some of it in cities all over the USA where I live, and some of it in Asia and Europe when I travel on business. I am a purveyor of FS services, and massage. I sometimes am up for incall, but usually I do outcall.
I am not even new to mongering in Shenzhen though I have to admit, pursuing this hobby is rather difficult in Shenzhen. My recent experiences are of the opposite of my early experiences back 2 years ago, when I used to stay at the Kemp. Hotel near the Shenzhen Bay crossing. I found that if I order in-room massage, a young and beautiful woman would show up...Among100,
Good post. I am glad we finally have some life to the Shen Zhen forum that you for posting.
Recapping the other poster who commented on your post. He gave some excellent advice. South end of Cun look for a small hotel and a police box. Which small hotel the one with the window and door? In an area that is full of apartments and hotels. I am sure that is easy to find for a first time visitor. Don't worry look for a 40 ish lady with nice tits. Well as I am sure there is only one lady with nice tits around this area. What if she's wearing a jacket? The poster member that wrote this by the way does not live in Shen zhen anymore he lives in Thailand. But don't worry just look for the woman with nice tits. Ok, then he advises don't go with any old woman touts. That is like saying you tried a Chinese restaurant once with a dragon on front and don't try any more Chinese restaurants with dragons because their all bad. Also, there may be many woman outside massage places and hair salons. Yep, their all bad too. The poster that wrote that with all his maps and that acts likes an encyclopedia of knowledge in Shen Zhen. But, does not even have one trip report of his actual experience actually going with a girl in Shen Zhen and he claims he lived there. So congratulations you might have only one trip report but that is more trip reports than the person telling you how to monger there. So my point is if he actually mongered. He should be getting advice from you. Not the other way around.
I will be in Shen Zhen this year before my yearly trip to Thailand. Can't wait!
More detailed instructions to arrive at the south end of Luohu cun and the main mama (for the intellectually challenged).
Starting at the Shangri La hotel (facing the road), walk to the left 20 m, follow the footpath around to the left (east) for another 75 m, until you reach an MTR subway entrance. Then turn left (north) along Renmin south Road and walk about 100 m until you come to a pedestrian crossing. Cross the road and immediately on your left is a small road which has a lifting barrier across it manned by security, and a traditional village entrance gate. This is Luohu Cun.
Walk along this small road with the large construction site on your right (BTW nice little sex shop on the left). Walk past the hairdressing salons with massage girls trying to entice you into the back of the shops (not recommended). Go past the first road on the right (immediately past the construction site). There are a few massage shops on this road (and one that offers FS), but not recommended.
Turn right into the second road (if you reach the Community Policing Centre, you have gone too far). There are generally old hags offering girls right along this road. Sometimes, a few of the older WGs also sit by the road. The HK mongerers generally seem to refuse these desperates, and ask the hags to show them better girls. I do not recommend. BTW, IMNSHO the restaurants along here are rubbish! There are also 3 massage places along the road, one where the girls (and their boobs) hang out enticing you to enter. They are not FS AFAIK.
Go to the end of the road, and you will be facing the Police Box. On your right is a convenience store and immediately behind it is a small hotel. It is the only hotel south of the main entrance road (there is another small Business Hotel up the other end of the cun), so zero chance of confusion!
Here, in this small open area, there are typically 3-4 male touts (in the daytime they play cards at tiny tables in front of the convenience store). They are not pushy. And, for the past 5 years there has also been one, and only one, female mamasan. She will immediately make herself and her services known to you (she actually is not too bad looking and has a nice rack), so no fears about finding her! I always spoke to her and asked about her girls and have partaken a few times. She has a reasonable stable of girls. This is her turf and there are no other mamasans operating here. The male touts seem subservient to her. Maybe they work for her sometimes. She will ask 300 rmb of westerners, but readily accept 150. She is also probably the only mamasan in Luohu cun who will allow her girls to go to hotels and apartments (if she knows the mongerer).
Other common ways of arriving at the south end of Luohu cun that you won't find on any map are:
1. Standing on Yanhe South Road facing the Perthden Hotel, walk down the small road on the left hand side of the hotel, past the China Merchant Bank ATM. Just before you get to the first shop on the left (convenience store), turn left, then hard right behind the shops and then left again down narrow path. 40 metres further on you are at the south end of Luohu Cun with the luggage repair shop on your right, the Police Box on your left and the convenience store straight ahead.
2. Exiting the Luohu MTR, take the subway exit to Renmin South Rd that has a sign to the Holy Sun Hotel. You will exit on the east side of Renmin South Road (on the other side of the road from the Shangri La Hotel). Walk behind the subway exit and there is a narrow 50 m path leading to the south end of Luohu Cun, coming out at the small hotel mentioned earlier.
Ikksman.
P.S. You can also read a number of my reports about mongering in Luohu Cun on this forum (maybe 2 years ago).
This is my first post as a member to this forum and in it I will review my sorry recent mongering experiences in Luohu. It is a bit of a long post.
I am not new to this hobby, I have been mongering for many years; some of it in cities all over the USA where I live, and some of it in Asia and Europe when I travel on business. I am a purveyor of FS services, and massage. I sometimes am up for incall, but usually I do outcall.
I am not even new to mongering in Shenzhen though I have to admit, pursuing this hobby is rather difficult in Shenzhen. My recent experiences are of the opposite of my early experiences back 2 years ago, when I used to stay at the Kemp. Hotel near the Shenzhen Bay crossing. I found that if I order in-room massage, a young and beautiful woman would show up, and give an outstanding massage. Toward the end, there would be subtle suggestions of more and if you were willing to take a second mortgage on your house to pay the up-charge, you would be treated to the very best FS session ever. I am a one-pop guy but I still fondly recall 3 outstanding pops in one 2-hour session, then calling the girl back the next night for more. None of my other Shenzhen experiences have been as good as the ones I had at the Kemp. Hotel. I have generally have the usual mix of some good, some not so good...P.S. If someone that is coaching that says he has not mongered in for two years there. That information probably will be outdated with the exception of the maps. I have not been there for around 3 years. So I can help either. Just don't want people that say they have not mongered in two years act like the same people and same girls are there. Among 100, is now the lead in updated Shen Zhen info.
Almong100, is now the lead in updated Shen Zhen info.That is pretty scary, someone with my highly limited experience being the lead! I hope I am not really the lead as I know very little.
Anyway, here is my 2nd trip report, and again, no success.
So last night I decided to try again. I used the directions kindly provided by Ikksman and easily found Luohu Cun. It was actually a bit tricky to locate the starting point, the Shangri-La Hotel because 3 different online maps (Google, Apple and another but I no longer recall which one) each showed the hotel to be in a different location. But finally I just walked to the general area, and there it was. So at about 5:30 PM I entered Luohu Cun and followed the directions to the hotel where the mamasan with the nice breasts was supposed to be hanging out. No such luck. She was not there, nor were the papasans that had been mentioned. So I walked around a bit, figuring she might show up. No such luck again. Then I noticed why. In a restaurant right by the hotel sat 5 policemen eating dinner. From where they sat they could easily see all the activity in the courtyard. So obviously, no action happening in that neighborhood. I walked around more, was approached by about 6 different massage or barber shop places for action, but waited until the police finished dinner because I wanted to talk with the mamasan. She never was there, even a good while after the police had left. So I gave up on her.
Next, I walked slowly through the Cun, letting myself get approached by the barbershop / massage people. Eventually, one in particular intrigued me. He had with him a most beautiful slim young woman, way more friendly and better looking than all the others. He promised that she would give me a 60-minute massage which would include all the fun I wanted, all in a private room. The cost was just 50. Well, I knew that the 50 was just the entrance fee and hopefully would cover a basic massage, which I was OK with. I figured that I could negotiate the fun part when we were upstairs. So I paid the 50 and up we went, into a small but clean and well-kept room. Immediately, and I mean absolutely immediately, the girl wanted money for everything. No massage, no discussion, just something like "pay me 600 and I will give you a HJ. " Because we could not communicate in a single language, it was very tough to discuss anything. And, she was no longer friendly at all. I tried to get her to give me a massage so that I could decide on other menu items as we went along, but no way. She wanted a business deal on the spot. So after a few minutes of fruitless discussion, I just put my shoes back on and off I went. 50 wasted, but lesson learned.
So I decided to try my luck back at the massage places across from the Century Hotel. There are about 4 or 5 of them, all with people outside luring you in. I let myself get lured. For 109 I was promised a 90-minute full-body oil massage. The girl looked pretty good and the way I figure it, at worst I would get a decent massage, at best I would pay a little more for some fun. I was sure to specify which girl I wanted and the man was pretty clear that this would be my girl. So upstairs I went. Next thing, a different girl comes in to the private massage room, a good bit older and not bad looking. But clearly not the same girl. And, she handed me those standard loose massage parlour shorts for me to wear. Giving me those shorts had the effect of essentially telling me; "no fun at this massage place, all will be totally legit". And it was totally legit. 100%. Not a chance of any touching, rubbing, nothing at all. But one hell of a good massage!
Bottom line of all this, Shenzhen Luohu area seems to be a no-win situation. From my experiences this week, I think the following sums it up in general, at least for non-locals like me:
- Outcalls to my hotel room are a high risk option because in advance of the girl getting to your room, there is no way to screen her or to get an idea of services offered and willingness to take time with the client.
- Massage places seem to be totally veggie (but this is a sample of just 2 - one that I didn't mention as it happened the day prior).
- The girls in the Cuns (either coming from the mamasans or in the barbershops places) are all about "5-minute fuck and then get the guy out of there".
Of course, I do not have much of a statistical sample, but I can see the trend. I think I will have to go back to Sheuko and other locals as at least in some other places there are massage spas that give HJ to westerners (but not a drop more).
That is pretty scary, someone with my highly limited experience being the lead! I hope I am not really the lead as I know very little.
- The girls in the Cuns (either coming from the mamasans or in the barbershops places) are all about "5-minute fuck and then get the guy out of there".
Of course, I do not have much of a statistical sample, but I can see the trend. I think I will have to go back to Sheuko and other locals as at least in some other places there are massage spas that give HJ to westerners (but not a drop more).You really need someone local to show you the rope. Luohu Cun used to be a very happening place but that was about 4-5 years ago when hundreds of girls were sitting on the stairs in front of the shops. You just pick and choose for just 100 RMB back than. I still remember those days. I have not been there for a long time because the past few times I was there, there were nothing worth playing. You probably get more action at those alley / park just behind Shangri La (without crossing the crosswalk into Luohu Cun). Every time I walk pass the park behind Shangri La, I get approach by the mamasan. I have heard a lot about the area. Some good and some bad. But I have not try myself. I live just 5 minutes from Xiang Xi Cun for the past 5 years and visit the alley at least 2-3 times a month. I suggest if you are not familiar with Xiang Xi, go there in the evening because girls will come down on the street and let you pick. I usually go up to the apartment and pick there because its actually safer because no one see you soliciting on the street and second better looking girls too. You will usually see some girls between 7-12 midnight and from 12-6 am is risky time. So if you see girls standing in the alley between 12-6 am, it will be safe to play. If not, just go back to your hotel room and turn on your wechat location service. There will be some freelancer trying to add you and offer 600 rmb for full service. You can usually bargain it down to 400-450. They will ask you for your tel#, name, and room # because they need to check-in with the front desk and verify the info when they enter the hotel lobby. Just use the baidu translator to communicate with them if you can't type Chinese. No need to chit chat, just get to the point. How much, how old, BJ, how long. Etc. If that doesn't work, Xiang Xi Cun early shift girls start at 6 am. I have been there a few times at 6 am after coming home from a local bar and surprisingly many to choose from. Good luck!
P.S. You are right about Xiang Xi girls are all about 5 min fuck rush job but to me 150 rmb to bang them is worth getting a 3 min lap dance for 20 USD. I usually get a nice girl with good attitude / BBBJ service / a nympho. One out of every 5 girls so you do get lucky sometimes. And if that happen, tip them a little more to get their wechat for your next appointment.
PukiMonster
04-16-15, 22:20
Just reread this interesting post from 6 months ago. Seems very relevant to the current difficult situation in SZ:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?946-South-China-Shenzhen&p=1642506&viewfull=1#post1642506
And as suggested in the post, discussion is welcomed.
Pukimonster
PukiMonster
04-16-15, 23:05
Almong100,
I recommend that you do a search on Ikksman's posts in China and read his posts for the past year. You will find directions and information on a few more common mongering destinations, and tips and advice. You might have a bit more luck. But remember, other posts you read about mongers in BBSs in the cuns having GFEs and BBBJCIM with model type WGs, or buildings full of WGs, may not necessarily be true. It is up to you to sort the wheat from the chaff.
I reckon that if you joined ISG and could speak a bit of Chinese, then some generous members would PM you with more information and possibly even phone numbers of some mamasans. I was lucky during my 8 months in SZ. I met (through an old acquaintance) an experienced mongerer (ABC). He guided me to the common cun places, but nothing worth writing about as they had been reported hundreds of times before by others. He also took me to a couple of private clubs and small KTVs that were really parts of bars, but I could not give you or others useful information about them as I don't know precise directions to them.
Unfortunately Chinese language skills are essential in many of the lesser known places, and even Shatsui Cun.
A few weeks ago, I asked members here for information on a number of mongering destinations that I have heard about (back in SZ in June for 3 months). But, there has not been one single response to my posts!
Pukimonster
I have only been in Xiang xi cun once and that was not even a serious attempt to find action. If you feel uncomfortable with these type of areas (like I do) I would recommend you visit as many girls as you can in one day / evening. Get all the girls we chat and phone number and then build relation with them. To avoid having to go down there every time you need some action.
I kept contact with a outcall, the only good one I met. She asks me everyday if I have free time. I have a few other freebies and just now I picked up 2 new really good looking SZ girls that has been working in HK on a 7 day visa.
Or.
I have been in HK now for a week and I have for the first time tried out the street walkers here. Most of them is quite old, bored with life, need the money to support kids type of situation (the ones that are there everyday and actually live in HK), but there really are some real nice ones that just want to make some extra bucks of a quick visit.
It took me 2 nights (maybe walked around 2-3 hours each night) to find the first SZ girl. Now when I know where to find them I picked up another one yesterday. She even asked me to wait for her few days so we could go back to SZ together but I declined. Anyway.
My theory is that the girls that did not work for so long, or intend to work long, that actually has other plans, they choose HK. They do not want to risk their future by doing it in SZ. Which means, if lucky you find one that's not even that " used " as the regular ones. Might be wrong but seems logic to me.
So if you have time just head down to HK and have a look.
For the adventurous: an alternative to Shatsui, Xiangxi and Luohu Cuns.
BTW there was a big LE raid on Xiangxi Cun last week. Here is an entertaining video mostly taken at the Police station after the raid:
http://v.ku6.com/show/xE-emrb14U4atN_wTXH7Og...html
You can locate Daxin Cun by using Google and Chachaba (it is clearly marked).
Daxin is on the Luohu-Airport East MTR line. When you arrive, take exit C. Or, you can take the #223 bus from Luohu and get off (literally, not figuratively) at the KFC, where there is an overhead bridge.
Go into the Cun and wander the small alleys. You will find both BBSs and street walkers as well as some touts.
If you need navigational maps to help, please ask. But, as usual, I will expect deprecating comments from wannabees.
Ikksman
You really need someone local to show you the rope. Luohu Cun used to be a very happening place but that was about 4-5 years ago when hundreds of girls were sitting on the stairs in front of the shops. {S N I P}
I suggest if you are not familiar with Xiang Xi, go there in the evening because girls will come down on the street and let you pick. I usually go up to the apartment and pick there because its actually safer because no one see you soliciting on the street and second better looking girls too. You will usually see some girls between 7-12 midnight and from 12-6 am is risky time. So if you see girls standing in the alley between 12-6 am, it will be safe to play.{S N I P}Ron, thanks for the informative post.
I was a bit confused by the sentences above in bold. Can you please clarify. The general consensus on this forum is that 8 pm-midnight is the most dangerous time to monger in Xiangxi Cun (LE finish their shift at midnight). I appreciate your experience may have been different.
My limited experience at Xiangxi Cun (which I have posted about before), has been during the afternoon, when the mamasans take you upstairs to the rooms (except for one spot where there are still a few girls in 'closed' shops (I am always in bed with a SYT by midnight, haha).
That is pretty scary, someone with my highly limited experience being the lead! I hope I am not really the lead as I know very little.
Anyway, here is my 2nd trip report, and again, no success.
So last night I decided to try again. I used the directions kindly provided by Ikksman and easily found Luohu Cun. It was actually a bit tricky to locate the starting point, the Shangri-La Hotel because 3 different online maps (Google, Apple and another but I no longer recall which one) each showed the hotel to be in a different location.{S N I P}
Almong100,
Note that the action at the cuns can vary dramatically depending on the intensity of LE attention. There can be lots of action one week and nothing the next. On the other hand, the Shagri-La apartments and the action further up Jianshe Rd has always seemed to be fairly constant.
The map applications, such as Google, are notoriously inaccurate around the HK-China border and the Shangri-La hotel is usually identified as being in Hong Kong. The border (that is the mud pond) has also been re-aligned over the years. There is no Google street view of China so that adds to the navigation difficulties. Baidu provides a street view (called Total View) for Shanghai, but will probably take years before it reaches SZ. So this is the reason that I have provided Chachaba 3D maps and photos to assist newcomers. Pity one wannabee here constantly deprecates my genuine efforts to help others.
It is only 7 weeks since I shifted to Thailand so I would be surprised if anything has changed since then, particularly as I have fairly consistently seen the mamasan for the past 5 years. At one time, for a period of about 8 months, I was passing the area between 2 and 4 times a day, 3 days per week (but that's another story). But, or course, anything is possible.
Since the big 2014 yanda, public massage and sauna places in the commercial districts of Shenzhen (that is Nanshan, Futian and Luohu) are mostly veggie, with some offering HEs. But as always, get the girls' phone numbers. I little knowledge of Shekou or the entire Bao'an district. FS BBSs and KTVs are still readily available in the outlying areas of SZ. But these are difficult to negotiate for non-Chinese speaking foreigners, thus the paucity of reports here. Some other internet forums, whose members are mainly Singaporean and Malaysian Chinese carry more detailed information on mongering in these locations.
BTW, if you are interested in freebies, I wrote a report on the opportunities in SZ here:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2015-Links-to-Reports-of-Distinction&p=1560960&viewfull=1#post1560960
Apologies for the indirect reference via the Links to Reports of Distinction, but it was the easiest way for me to locate the post. China is still a wonderful place for meeting freebies.
Good luck,
Ikksman
{S N I P}Daxin is on the Luohu-Airport East MTR line. When you arrive, take exit C. Or, you can take the #223 bus from Luohu and get off (literally, not figuratively) at the KFC, where there is an overhead bridge.{S N I P}
IkksmanI just checked on Chinatravelguide. Bus route #223 does not go from Luohu to Daxin. In fact, the trip would require at least one bus transfer. The MTR option would be far better (and Exit D would be more appropriate)!
Ikksman
Moth To Flames
04-17-15, 15:19
Ikks, I'm curious to the difference between the apartments that you favor, and the BBS you suggest avoiding. Is there a difference in service, attitude, cleanliness or what? I get KTV vs. Spa vs. BBS but I just assumed apartment girls were the same as BBS, given they're both 150 a time?
Ikks, I'm curious to the difference between the apartments that you favor, and the BBS you suggest avoiding. Is there a difference in service, attitude, cleanliness or what? I get KTV vs. Spa vs. BBS but I just assumed apartment girls were the same as BBS, given they're both 150 a time?Hi Moth,
As you are well aware, genuine BBSs in the classic sense of the term no longer exist in SZ (and most other places) - that is, shops with pink lit poles, or pink fluorescent lighting and a cluster of girls waiting inside for you to pick and bang in a back room (or take out to your hotel). Posters refer to the Xiangxi Cun BBSs etc. But there are actually no BBSs there any more.
Anyway, I assume that you are referring to my recent postings about Luohu Cun, so my comments are specific to that cun.
I prefer the Luohu cun apartment girls (and specifically those in the stable of the mamasan that I knew) - rather than the massage /"BBS" - because (in my experience):
• The apartments are clean (but too many f##king stairs to climb)
• You know you are going to get BJ plus FS
• Better chance of GFE
• No upselling because the services and price are negotiated with the mamasan beforehand
• You can request a specific type of girl (with possibility of having your request fulfilled)
• No scams (TTBOMK).
There are a number of categories of service providers available in the cun:
• hairdressing salons on the main entrance road, some offering back room massages with claimed extras (I have negotiated, but never tried)
• massage shops offering HE and BJ - upsell at ridiculous prices to newbies
• Apartments (2nd road on the right); the mamasans are on the street and a few girls occasionally appear at street level - probably depends on LE activity - and it was like this even BY (before yanda)
• "BBS" type places (actually only 2 of them) on the first road to the right; no large selection - there are a few (older) girls in the "shop" and offering FS (they disappear when LE patrol around); and there may be a few more sleeping/eating/watching TV upstairs (I think that these 2 places are tolerated even though there are a number of restaurants in the adjoining shops, because the entrances are set back from the road and up about 10 to 12 steps - see previous photos)
• A couple of regular shops/food outlets, but with one, or possibly two, girls there (family run business haha?).
There are a few provisoes to my preference for apartment providers:
• My cun experience there is limited to afternoon and evening and I have never been there after midnight
• I have not actually experienced the hairdressing salon or side road "BBSs"
• I have tried one massage shop (twice) and only because the girl was very enticing
• In the past few years my apartment experience has been limited to my one preferred mamasan's girls.
So it is possible that my preference is ill-founded, but I doubt it. I have drawn my conclusions from negotiating with and observing the attitude of the massage and "BBS" girls. Additionally, the many Chinese HK mongers who visit the cuns, won't put up with BS, and are likely to receive better treatment from the girls than me, a dumb laowai.
A number of posters here have described the Luohu Cun girls as "fresh off the farm", wearing "funny farm clothes" and described newly arrived Mongolians wearing heavy furs in the middle of summer. This is all total BS, by people who have never even been to Luohu Cun. Some years ago, many posters preferred the quality of the Luohu Cun girls to the Shagri La girls. Of course, many girls are fairly new to the game and vary in quality and GFE like any other place, and an increasing number who have grown up in cities, have KungFu bellies. I remember one day my mamasan had 3 young new girls (all tall spinners) lined up against the fence by the Police Box. When the mama saw me, she grabbed me and encouraged me to closely inspect them and take my pick so th at I could be her first laowai (the girls seemed extremely unhappy being on such public display!
I could write many stories about my experiences in Louhu Cun. One that I vividly remember is quite a young girl was standing very closely between 2 much older women, by the corner of an alley. They were all physically similar, quite chubby and plain, but attractively dressed. One of the women proposed that I bang her young daughter (the girl). She demonstrated the girl's attractiveness by cupping her ample breasts and handling her other body parts. Jokingly, I said I wanted the mother as well. This was rejected outright, but then after offering 600 rmb for both, she suddenly accepted. WTF! Then I said I wanted the other woman (totally grey hair) as well. This created quite a sight with me using sign language to increase my offers and then putting my arms around the 2 women who were trying to shrink away from me. The girl was confused and terrified, clinging to the women. Of course some of the other mamasans approached to see what the commotion was about and they started laughing, embarrassing the mother and the auntie. I guess they lost considerable face as all three then quickly retreated down the alley. Oh for a video camera!
BTW I have at times referred to the Shagri La apartments as scam ridden, so obviously I do not prefer these apartments!
Ikksman.
California8
04-18-15, 09:19
Thanks to Ikks and others who have posted directions and reports.
I was surprised at the higher than what I expected age of the gals in the various establishments, I know many of the younger ones are probably upstairs. I tried one of the massage places at the end of the entrance road to the Cun on the right side as you are standing in front and looking at the police substation. A gal sitting outside with her long legs and short skirt lured me in. Went straight upstairs to a room with a bed and bathroom for a lame massage (not unexpected). Roaming under her top and under the skirt allowed but the clothes stayed on. Finished with he. One hour session, 100 rmb for the gal and 30 rmb for the place for the massage.
As Almong100 reported, I also did not run into the mamasan near the convenience store or hotel behind it. During the early evening as I worked down the middle alley from the entrance road toward the convenience store, I came across one young spinner sitting out on the steps. I finally caught her eye but she quickly went back to examining her phone so off I went. Within 10 paces, I walked past another SYT heading opposite me, my radar told me to quickly turn around and follow. She stopped where I saw the other gal and I quickly told the mamasan I was interested in FS. 150 rmb quoted but I said I wanted her in the hotel room (staying nearby) so the price climbed to 200 rmb. No problem. Initially, she did not know where the hotel was so was not sure she wanted in. The mamasan walked her half way to the hotel and was called once we got to the room. Can not fault a girl for being cautious. She will be 20 this year with still a little baby fat. I enjoyed the session as she was very tight.
Cal8.
Thanks to Ikks and others who have posted directions and reports.
I was surprised at the higher than what I expected age of the gals in the various establishments, I know many of the younger ones are probably upstairs. I tried one of the massage places at the end of the entrance road to the Cun on the right side as you are standing in front and looking at the police substation. A gal sitting outside with her long legs and short skirt lured me in. Went straight upstairs to a room with a bed and bathroom for a lame massage (not unexpected). Roaming under her top and under the skirt allowed but the clothes stayed on. Finished with he. One hour session, 100 rmb for the gal and 30 rmb for the place for the massage.
As Almong100 reported, I also did not run into the mamasan near the convenience store or hotel behind it. During the early evening as I worked down the middle alley from the entrance road toward the convenience store, I came across one young spinner sitting out on the steps. I finally caught her eye but she quickly went back to examining her phone so off I went. Within 10 paces, I walked past another SYT heading opposite me, my radar told me to quickly turn around and follow. She stopped where I saw the other gal and I quickly told the mamasan I was interested in FS. 150 rmb quoted but I said I wanted her in the hotel room (staying nearby) so the price climbed to 200 rmb. No problem. Initially, she did not know where the hotel was so was not sure she wanted in. The mamasan walked her half way to the hotel and was called once we got to the room. Can not fault a girl for being cautious. She will be 20 this year with still a little baby fat. I enjoyed the session as she was very tight.
Cal8.California8,
Great to hear the mangers are still offering the 150-200 price. If you are white bringing a 19 year old back to your hotel is extremely risky. What I was told by Chinese friends from China is if the hotel sees this and does not report you. The hotel also gets in trouble. I imagine because of the crackdown is sounds right.
California8,
If you are white bringing a 19 year old back to your hotel is extremely risky. What I was told by Chinese friends from China is if the hotel sees this and does not report you. The hotel also gets in trouble. I imagine because of the crackdown is sounds right.You mean it would be less risky for non-white man? Why is that?
. "if the hotel sees this (bringing 19 yo to room) and does not report you. The hotel also gets in trouble."
. "The hotels are required by law to report any suspected soliciting or they will be arrested also."
. "If the hotel manger does not report you are with a prostitute he will go to jail too.".
Etc etc ad nauseum!
Hmmm:
1. There is no rule of law in China.
2. Chinese guys are great mongerers. They consistently use hotels for mongering.
3. If this "law" was adhered to by a SZ hotel, it would soon close due to low occupancy rates.
4. If this "law" was enforced, most SZ hotel managers would be in prison.
5. If this "law" was enforced, SZ outcall girls would never go to hotels.
6. I have very rarely read of an LE raid on a hotel room anywhere in China (except recently in Changping), unless crimes involving drugs, kidnapping, etc were suspected.
7. The only recent hotel raid in SZ involving foreigners that I am aware of, was where LE raided a hotel when 35 drunken Taiwanese took 35 KTV girls to their rooms, causing a ruckus and many complaints.
After the infamous shutdown of Changping, LE there reportedly tempted hotel employees to report WGs in rooms by offering rewards of 5,000rmb(?). But all sorts of scams are being performed by the CP LE as their previous revenue streams have dried up like half the 50,000 rivers in China.
Some of you may remember the huge uproar in Zhuhai when more than 300 Japanese guys caroused with 500 WGs in a giant orgy throughout the hotel over a 3 day(?) period. Even then, LE was not called! Other guests later reported the orgy of the despised Japanese to the media! LE were then forced to take action. Some hotel employees were sentenced to prison for organising the event (and not for failing to report 100's of WGs banging away with Japanese all over the hotel!
However, there are rules which are issued by officials from time to time. One rule in some cities, is that visitors who stay in hotel rooms after 11:00 pm have to be registered as a guest, and no new visitors can be registered after 11:00 pm. In practice, this rule is ignored (except at certain periods in Shanghai). And of course, no prison penalties if the rule is broken!
Hotel rooms in SZ are pretty safe!
Ikksman
Cal8
I have always enjoyed your reports from all over China, and they show that you are a very experienced and knowledgeable mongerer. Are you game to visit Shatsui Cun (and other cuns)?
Haifu Hotel
A colleague has stayed there before and wants to stay there again. Anyone know its new name and have a report on it??
Humour only SZ residents will appreciate
Had a drink with an old HK mate of mine last night. Not sure how the discussion started, but it ended in agreement that the biggest changes in SZ during the last 5 years have been:
1. no more FS saunas, and
2. escalators now have a MTBF > 1 day and a MTTR < 2 months.
Dame Nellie Melba
I have a 3 week contract in Bantian next month, and am wondering where to stay!
Ikksman
StinkyFeet
04-19-15, 10:05
When bringing back a girl to your room, you got to be smart. Anyone can report you due to any number of rules that are normally unenforced. I always go with local hotels three or four stars only. These hotels cater for local mongers. Sure the hotel might have Crap breakfast or the amenities might not be as nice but local guys that want to Fuk their KTV girl after a drunken night are not concerned about that.
California8,
Great to hear the mangers are still offering the 150-200 price. If you are white bringing a 19 year old back to your hotel is extremely risky. What I was told by Chinese friends from China is if the hotel sees this and does not report you. The hotel also gets in trouble. I imagine because of the crackdown is sounds right.
When bringing back a girl to your room, you got to be smart. Anyone can report you due to any number of rules that are normally unenforced. I always go with local hotels three or four stars only. These hotels cater for local mongers. Sure the hotel might have Crap breakfast or the amenities might not be as nice but local guys that want to Fuk their KTV girl after a drunken night are not concerned about that.That is exactly what I am talking about. While there may not be a rule that someone must reports you. Maybe your hotel neighbor sees you with a girl that resembles his or her daughter and wants to teach you a lesson. So they call the police. If you a man with a girl that is 19 in your room. When the police come you have to explain why a 55 year old man white man that does not speak Chinese but has a 19 year old who does not speak English and why she is in your room? Then you can site all the reports you want about how this almost never happens at the police station. These same people who say it never happens will be posted report after report about how China is not good to monger anymore because of the police crack down. So I definitely think a short time hotel is safer. Before the crack down I did bring woman to my room. But after the crackdown I am going to be more cautions where I take woman. Each man his own.
California8
04-19-15, 22:30
California8,
Great to hear the mangers are still offering the 150-200 price. If you are white bringing a 19 year old back to your hotel is extremely risky. What I was told by Chinese friends from China is if the hotel sees this and does not report you. The hotel also gets in trouble. I imagine because of the crackdown is sounds right.I am ABC but since the SYT is young enough to be my daughter not hard to figure out what I am up to. The hotel I stayed had side door just near elevators so do not have to go past front desk.
Cal8.
California8
04-19-15, 22:44
Cal8
I have always enjoyed your reports from all over China, and they show that you are a very experienced and knowledgeable mongerer. Are you game to visit Shatsui Cun (and other cuns)? IkksmanI only stayed Shenzhen for 2 days to try to get over jet lag from flying in from USA before heading to DongBei. I just ate, slept and wandered in Luohu. I will RTFF about Shatsui Cun before I make a future trip to Shenzhen. In the past since I generally fly into Hong Kong, I often used Changping as my location for getting over jet lag; now Shenzhen is a better option.
Cal8.
PukiMonster
04-20-15, 00:22
I am ABC but since the SYT is young enough to be my daughter not hard to figure out what I am up to. The hotel I stayed had side door just near elevators so do not have to go past front desk.
Cal8.I think that it is too dangerous to take a SYT to a hotel. I don't think that bypassing the front desk area will measurably decrease your risk. And as we all know, video cams are everywhere.
But there has been one great idea! A short time hotel will definitely be safer! Gong An looking to increase their take home pay would NEVER think of going to a short time hotel to shake down a punter! Would they? Wait a minute, where are the short time hotels in SZ? There are hotels that do have hourly rates, but. . . . . Aren't they just normal hotels? My paranoia is causing my head to spin!
And Gong An frequently burst into the massage rooms, I will have to pay USD700 in extras at a KTV, I will be threatened and bashed by the mamas in the cuns. Oh! The cruelty of the world.
Pukimonster
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I am ABC but since the SYT is young enough to be my daughter not hard to figure out what I am up to. The hotel I stayed had side door just near elevators so do not have to go past front desk.
Cal8.I do not think bringing a girl to the room should be a problem. I look like a Chinese guy and I have brought back a lots of girls for this past year and I never had a people asking questions. Working girls or freebies does not matter since people can not tell what relationship you have with this particular girl. I have had girls in all ages, from a few years younger than me to girls 10 years older than me. I even had two girls at the same time (which would look real suspicious) but still no problem. I often take freebies to my room to stay overnight, without registration. No problem either. I am not telling you not to be cautious but do it smoothly and it will be fine.
Hotels I been staying at:
Shangri La, Luo hu.
Shangri La, Futian.
JW Marriott.
ZTL, Dongmen.
Sunon hotel, Dongmen.
Best Western Felicity.
Sheraton, Futian.
St Regis.
Vienna (various locations).
The Pavillion, Hua qiang bei.
The Langham.
There is more but I forgot the names. Business hotels 3-4 stars are everywhere and have gone through a couple of those as well without booking in advance. When you show up 10-12 in the night to a hotel that you did not book in advance with a random girl would look a bit strange, but again no problems. Or I am I just lucky? Is there anyone here that actually had real problems?
Mongering does carry risks. There are many risks. It is the responsibility of the mongerer to estimate the levels of risk and take precautions which they think appropriate.
IMO, it is foolish, or perhaps paranoid, to take strict precautions against events which are assessed as having an extremely small probability of occurrence, particularly if these precautions limit the options or enjoyment of our hobby. And hearsay evidence from "Chinese friends" etc, must be treated with caution as we don't know whether or not there were other motives for those statements, etc.
There are certainly thousands of hotel rooms used for mongering in Shenzhen every week. WRT to claims about Shenzhen Police entering hotel rooms (whether 4 star or 5 star) purely because a guest has a SYT with him - where is the evidence that this occurs?.
And where is the evidence that reception staff have phoned the SZ police simply because a hotel guest entered with a SYT? Where is the evidence that Chinese "neighbours" have reported hotel guests to SZ police for the same reason?
However, I admit that I do take simple non-limiting precautions that may smooth the path to overnight SYT heaven:
• I never get drunk and always act respectfully
• I ensure that both of us are reasonably well-dressed
• I sometimes book the hotel room for 2 guests, and advise reception that the other guest will arrive later (she may or may not be asked to register); it also helps get breakfast for my SYT without through all the hoopla with ill-trained staff
• I get friendly with the doorman, often tipping him for help with directions etc (if it is a 5 star hotel).
My partner is 41 years younger than me, and we have travelled together all over China. She does not have FT employment, and there will be condoms and sex toys (haha) in the room etc. So if reception staff, or Chinese neighbours, reported me to Police, we could likely be in big trouble (regardless of the fact that she was registered). So should I be paranoid and only stay in "short time" hotels or hotels where I can slip unseen past reception? I don't think so! Why? Because my assessment is that the probability of occurrence is so low as to be negligible!
Here are a couple of quick stories about hotel doormen that I think also help put things in perspective. I was staying in a 5 star hotel and brought a SYT back to the hotel with me. The doormen greeted us both, and obviously knew the girl. I talked to him later and he said that he knew all the WGs in the area, and the girls knew they needed to dress appropriately, else he would not allow them entry. Another time I was staying with my partner at a hotel in Bao'an (we had an early morning flight to Lijiang the next morning). As we were going out of the hotel to do some shopping (my partner was a couple of steps ahead of me), the doorman winked at me and said something like "Wow, she's good. You'll enjoy your stay! I replied that she was my GF. He apologised profusely!
In conclusion, please try to remember: "Where's the f**king evidence!". It is possible that Xi Jinping could visit and ask my recommendations for improving Chinese-Australia relations, but I doubt that I should wear my best suit everyday in anticipation. Just saying!
Ikks.
P.S. If the current Changping situation spread to SZ, then of course I would change my MO in accordance with my assessment of the risk.
P.P.S. In the 1980's and early 90's, there were cases of married couples being arrested and "re-educated" because they were not carrying their marriage certificate with them when staying in a hotel. True!
When bringing back a girl to your room, you got to be smart. Anyone can report you due to any number of rules that are normally unenforced. I always go with local hotels three or four stars only. These hotels cater for local mongers. Sure the hotel might have Crap breakfast or the amenities might not be as nice but local guys that want to Fuk their KTV girl after a drunken night are not concerned about that.Hi Stinky,
I understand what you are write. Rules that are normally unenforced can be used, and, I emphasise that there is no rule of law in China. So we need to be sensible. But I question the need to stay at 3 star hotels. I think 4 and (Chinese) 5 star hotels are fine! IMO, the only problem with international 5 star hotels is that some of them may refuse entry to WGs late at night (or unaccompanied WGs at any time). On the other hand there are 5 star hotels that allow WGs to operate in their foyer/coffee lounge and upstairs bars!
When was the last time a foreigner was taken away by LE from an international 5 star hotel (or even a Chinese 5 star) for no other reason than he was with a supposed WG (but I remember a case where drugs were involved)? Has this even happened in SZ in the last 10 years? I am, of course, discounting instances (like the recent case with anti-graft campaigner Ou Shaokun) where LE personnel frame or set up a person for other reasons. Remember there is no rule of law!
Ikks.
For those who criticise my comments that SZ is no longer a good mongering destination and is "dead", read this post:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?938-General-Info&p=1679330&viewfull=1#post1679330
And OAH's follow up response here:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?938-General-Info&p=1679759&viewfull=1#post1679759
Basically, for the western foreign visitor or tourist there are now only a few SZ very limited cun destinations (plus of course expensive outcall/escort services) where FS is readily available, non-existent FS sauna/footsie/massage and the cost of living has increased dramatically for foreigners in SZ.
Now compare the current SZ status to the Philippines (such as Manila and Angeles City). Why would you select SZ for a mongering holiday?
On the other hand, IMNSHO and limited experience, there is nowhere that can compare to the Pearl River Delta for SYT freebies, 30+ "left over women" and neglected married ladies.
Ikksman.
{S N I P}
On the other hand, IMNSHO and limited experience, there is nowhere that can compare to the Pearl River Delta for SYT freebies, 30+ "left over women" and neglected married ladies.
IkksmanI forgot to add a 4th category: divorced girls with daughters (the kid is often looked after by the parents in the hometown).
There are so many SYTs in the PRD (the largest urban area in the world), and (relatively speaking), so few eligible or interested guys that freebie fans with even a little bit of game can be extraordinarily successful. Were you aware that in the late 90s and early 00s in SZ, the ratio of young single 17-24 girls to guys was estimated to be 8:1? Current estimates are still about 3:1 (as factories employed more young guys from the rural areas). The only downside is that the top of the line models get taken as mistresses by the really rich Chinese. Still plenty left for the rest of us!
Ikks
TinkerJohn88
04-22-15, 04:19
I have just discovered and joined ISG, and although I am in my 50's (seemingly like many here), I have mongered very little in my life. However as a newly divorced guy (who is now working not far from Shenzhen (in an adjoining city), I am about to embark on a new stage in my life.
The internet forums are home to all sorts of strange netizens, and it is often difficult to quickly identify the straight shooters. I have read the last few pages here, and I discern a certain 'life experience' and wisdom in the posts of one member here (Ikksman). I intend to read his older posts to glean more tips and information as this is far quicker than reading and classifying (reliable / unreliable etc) all the posts in the forums of cities in Guangdong (Shenzhen, Dongguan, Zhuhai etc).
But my question today is "What is the best approach to learn the Chinese language for a resident of Guangdong province?" Specifically, a method that will help me learn the local idioms (and in particular those used in mongering). I fear that after furiously studying the language for months and months I will still be unable to communicate in the local dens of iniquity.
I have spoken to many local laowai who have attempted to learn Chinese. The few that have progressed past the usual 5 words, state that they still cannot understand the locals who seem to mix Putonghua with local dialects and they have a lot of difficulty understand either CCTV or the local TV.
I would appreciate suggestions from members who have been down this road.
Would it be appropriate to re-post my language help request on the General Forum?
I have just discovered and joined ISG, and although I am in my 50's (seemingly like many here), I have mongered very little in my life. However as a newly divorced guy (who is now working not far from Shenzhen (in an adjoining city), I am about to embark on a new stage in my life.
The internet forums are home to all sorts of strange netizens, and it is often difficult to quickly identify the straight shooters. I have read the last few pages here, and I discern a certain 'life experience' and wisdom in the posts of one member here (Ikksman). I intend to read his older posts to glean more tips and information as this is far quicker than reading and classifying (reliable / unreliable etc) all the posts in the forums of cities in Guangdong (Shenzhen, Dongguan, Zhuhai etc).
But my question today is "What is the best approach to learn the Chinese language for a resident of Guangdong province?" Specifically, a method that will help me learn the local idioms (and in particular those used in mongering). I fear that after furiously studying the language for months and months I will still be unable to communicate in the local dens of iniquity.
I have spoken to many local laowai who have attempted to learn Chinese. The few that have progressed past the usual 5 words, state that they still cannot understand the locals who seem to mix Putonghua with local dialects and they have a lot of difficulty understand either CCTV or the local TV.
I would appreciate suggestions from members who have been down this road.
Would it be appropriate to re-post my language help request on the General Forum?Do you want to learn Guangdong hua? Or do you want to learn putong hua? (in other words do you want to learn the native language of your province, or do you want to learn the more general "common" hua?
If you want to learn any language (or any dialect) then. In my humble opinion. There is no substitute for "total immersion".
As well, supplement your "total immersion" with "pillow talk" - find a local hottie who can teach you the local dialogue, and before you fall asleep, or straight after "bible study" have her explain to you all all the local idioms.
Works wonderfully well, EVERY time.
Just my experience.
Enjoy and report.
P13.
NorthSouth
04-23-15, 14:39
My work may have me going down to Shenzhen from time to time, so I am trying to get the lay of the land from the Shenzhen threads.
From what I understand, a lot of the residents in the city are from other provinces who go there to find work, so many more (most?) people speak putong hua (Mandarin) even when the city is in Guangdong. In Guangzhou you can get by if you can only speak Guangdong hua. But putong hua is the official national language. So if you have to learn one, I would strongly suggest putong hua (and in case you may spend some time in other cities).
TinkerJohn88
04-24-15, 07:09
Thanks NorthSouth and Pushkin13 for your thoughts.
I fully intend to learn Putonghua. Sorry I failed to make that clear. The confusion was caused by my reference to local idioms and dialects.
My dilemma is that I do not have a great ear for languages, and suspect that watching internet video lessons will not cut it for me. And pillow lessons would probably end up with the SYT getting irritated by my ineptitude, and consequent loss of benefits. Additionally, I understand that many idioms are very localized. Would an innocent SYT really know the local idioms and euphemisms used in mongering?
Any other thoughts?
What about Chinese-English meeting sites where you can meet Chinese who want to practice their English?
What about one on one lessons (expensive but may be cost-effective)?
Thanks,
TinkerJ
I first signed Tijuana like my first post, but the editor changed it to Tijuana! Oh well!
Got the news from a local friend from changing that Mayflower has been reopen since April 9th. So I decided to book a small room to check out the scene. There were about 100 girls to choose from and two price bracket - 400/1000/1500 and 500/1500/2000. The girls come in the KTV room in groups of 5-7 at a time. Drink wise, there are some special pricing to lure in customers. Buy one dozen beer and get two dozen for free, and chives will be two bottles and get two for free. If you spend over 500 rmb will get 1 complimentary room and 1000 rmb will get you 2 rooms and so on. I was told by the management that it is safer to stay in their own hotel, but than I didn't take any girls up to my room because they were all to wasted and couldn't even walk. LOL.
Got the news from a local friend from changing that Mayflower has been reopen since April 9th. So I decided to book a small room to check out the scene. There were about 100 girls to choose from and two price bracket - 400/1000/1500 and 500/1500/2000. The girls come in the KTV room in groups of 5-7 at a time. Drink wise, there are some special pricing to lure in customers. Buy one dozen beer and get two dozen for free, and chives will be two bottles and get two for free. If you spend over 500 rmb will get 1 complimentary room and 1000 rmb will get you 2 rooms and so on. I was told by the management that it is safer to stay in their own hotel, but than I didn't take any girls up to my room because they were all to wasted and couldn't even walk. LOL.Wouldn't it be more appropriate to post this on the Dongguan forum? Just asking!
Ikksman
P.S. I thought Mayflower used to be 2/6/9 and 3/8/11 - so almost double the previous pricing?!
I am ABC but since the SYT is young enough to be my daughter not hard to figure out what I am up to. The hotel I stayed had side door just near elevators so do not have to go past front desk.
Cal8.IMHO, I have also been cautioned and would follow the other poster's advice and stay at hotels frequented by local mongers for your fun (you will blend in). These are interesting times. On the rare occasion one ends up with a psycho, I always dread what would happen in countries like China; even with no contraband or paraphernalia in the room. I always make sure the SYT is of age, by a wide margin.
I think the original poster was using "troll" as a verb, meaning to fish using a baited line, in which case the usage is not at all pejorative and refers only to trolling for companions.
GE.
I am extremely tolerant wrt bad spelling and grammar, but sometimes poor English can impart the wrong meaning or at least confuse the reader.
Troll
One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll
Perhaps "trawl" was the word intended to be used. Some (many?) readers would not pick this up, and thus the esteemed JacktheLad2 could hereafter be labelled a "troll" in the minds of those readers.
Or perhaps the writer deliberately labelled our Lad as a "troll"? But who knows, unless the question is raised!
Other common potentially misleading errors include:
Using the word "inciteful" when "insightful" was the intended meaning.
Failing to distinguish between HKD and USD (or other $) - might be obvious to HK residents and frequent visitors, but . . .
Ikksman
Yikes! There be a troll (or Troll) in this here forum with a big pole sticking out of its eye (maybe arse) and a foot in its mouth (or both feet)!
To paraphrase something else written a couple millennia ago, we are fishermen. IMHO, JTL might have better luck with a handsum wallet as a lure. Good for catching ladies and sailfish. Though, for the latter, the captain usually takes a much bigger bite than many ladies.
Many ladies will ask you to buy them a dildo later, in private.
(HKD, HK$ or the official currency of the HKSAR) 15.
Remember, Google and RTFF are your friends.
Now, back to our regular programming... Where did Lancelot leave off....
Your inbox is full. Can you kindly put it on a diet!
Ikksman
Nobody seems to read the Huizhou forum any more so I have posted this warning here.
http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s?__biz=MjM5NDU5OTM4MQ==&mid=205030311&idx=1&sn=70a349c96b0d1cc65eadd921d8bd55e8&scene=1&from=groupmessage&isappinstalled=0#rd
This sauna is in a 3 star hotel in Danshui (easily accessible from SZ). It is a sauna mainly frequented by locals and shows that LE have been instructed to (gradually?) shut saunas.
Coincidentally, there are newly opened saunas in two 4/5 star hotels in Danshui, which are also home to KTVs popular with Singaporean and Malaysian mongerers. Apparently, the FS sauna sets are only available 'in room'. It will be interesting to see how long they remain operational.
Ikksman.
Ikksman beat me to it. Pretty much 3 weeks ago Shenzhen tv secretly filmed at a hotel at Danshui, so KO took action at 25th. (Dongguan got trashed the same way. Got filmed on news TV). At the moment I would suggest holding off for a while as this is extremely risky.
Also, a major BJ establishment in Lohu was also shown on news channel recently. For the time being it is better to spend at Hong Kong / Macau.
Hi John,
Putonghua is the way to go because this is standard Mandarin so understood very widely throughout China. Pronounciation is very important in spoken Chinese so I suggest a good one-to-one teacher will be good value in the long run. You will find most WGs, and other Chinese people, are delighted if you as a foreigner can speak a bit of Chinese and most will help you. Do not expect to gain fluency quickly but with hard work on your part you will soon reach a basic level ability. The reward is that it is a fun language to learn!
Good luck!
Thanks NorthSouth and Pushkin13 for your thoughts.
I fully intend to learn Putonghua. Sorry I failed to make that clear. The confusion was caused by my reference to local idioms and dialects.
My dilemma is that I do not have a great ear for languages, and suspect that watching internet video lessons will not cut it for me. And pillow lessons would probably end up with the SYT getting irritated by my ineptitude, and consequent loss of benefits. Additionally, I understand that many idioms are very localized. Would an innocent SYT really know the local idioms and euphemisms used in mongering?
Any other thoughts?
What about Chinese-English meeting sites where you can meet Chinese who want to practice their English?
What about one on one lessons (expensive but may be cost-effective)?
Thanks,
TinkerJ
I first signed Tijuana like my first post, but the editor changed it to Tijuana! Oh well!
IMHO, I have also been cautioned and would follow the other poster's advice and stay at hotels frequented by local mongers for your fun (you will blend in). These are interesting times. On the rare occasion one ends up with a psycho, I always dread what would happen in countries like China; even with no contraband or paraphernalia in the room. I always make sure the SYT is of age, by a wide margin.I wonder what is the 'age' that you are referring to?
I certainly can see no reason for ensuring that your SYT is 28, 38 or whatever 'wide margin' you choose to select.
Prostitution is illegal in China, and there are 2 possible charges for being caught with a SYT WG:
(1) being with a prostitute.
(2) being with an [CodeWord902] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902) prostitute (that is, under 14 years of age).
As far as Chinese LE are concerned they could not care less if the WG you have been caught with was 18,28 or 88!
WRT to freebies, Chinese LE are only concerned if your SYT is of Chinese legal age (again 14). But of course if they want to get you, they will get you whether your SYT is 18,28 or 88. But they have no reason to "get you", unless you are in their sights for other reasons.
Older guys with SYTs are a very common sight in SZ (many of them HKers with their SZ ernai). Unless you draw attention to yourself by some other manner, SZ people are not going to pay any attention to you (I am 41 years older than my SYT, and do not experience any unwanted attention in SZ).
But, remember that a Chinese girl who says she is 18, may only be 17 by the Western method of counting age. If they say they are 18, be careful and if possible always check their ID card. If (through no fault of yours), you are caught with a WG who is one year [CodeWord902] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902) by your country's law (but not [CodeWord902] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902) by China's laws), the question is then, would LE contact your embassy / consul and inform them of the situation? I suspect that this would be extremely unlikely for a variety of reasons. But as always, be alert and ensure that you conform to your country's laws! But there is no reason to have a 'wide margin'.
Ikksman.
Hey,
I'm new to this group.
Want to know what's available around Shanuai trend hotels Huaqiangbay.
And please guys advice!! Want to go crazy.
I had some free time after dinner last night so decided to have a look. The first I noticed were a few girls outside the barbershops on the left side of the street. They looked at me but did not approach me even though I walked very slowly looking at them. Few steps later I saw a older woman sitting in a door entrance, she asked me if I wanted a massage. I declined. That was pretty much it on the entrance main road. I turned right and I did not see any working girls at all my first lap around the block. There were a few "hang outs" with 2-3 girls inside but I don't know if they was working girls or not. They were not dressed like obvious WGs like the HK streetwalkers. Had walked through the whole street now and now facing the police box in front of me. To my right is a small store and this seem to be the end of the street. I did not get approached by anyone here. Decided to walk back and turned right. Now I walked with the construction site directly to my right and one man asked if I wanted a girl. I did not like the feeling of this man so I declined.
Back on the main entrance street again.
I thought about leaving but lets give it one more try. Still no WGs in sight but got approached by a man asking if I wanted a girl. 150 yuan. OK I said and I followed him into a dark alley (not the best move I suspect but turned out to be no problem). Found a store (and he started talk to a woman inside. Seemed like the girl inside was not a WG and the guy looked confused now while picking up his phone to make a call. We went back into the alley and told me to wait here while he get some girls. OK fine. I saw this guy run around the street back and forth, talked to a old lady and working his phone. After 10 minutes still no girls!
I told him that I wanted to leave but he insisted to wait another 2 minutes. Finally a girl came. She looked cute but too young for my taste. I declined her. The guy seemed surprised. Maybe this was his best girl? LOL. I am difficult to please so I told him that I will call him later if he can deliver to my hotel. He agreed. Just right before I left another two girls came but again, not my type at all.
I decided to leave.
Left the Luohu cun and went to the Shangri-la apartments. Found it by accident actually and a old woman said " leng lui leng lui ". I told her 150 and she agreed. Went to an old apartment and there she sat me down to wait. The room looked really dirty and there was a connecting room to my right were there already were a man and a girl. No door between us! Wth. I asked if she could deliver to my hotel but she said no. I then I said I wanted to leave but she convinced me at least to wait until the girl arrived, no need to pay if I did not like her. OK fine I thought and waited 15 minutes. The girl never arrived so I left.
It seemed to be a very short supply of girls yesterday. I went back to my hotel and turned on the people nearby function on my we chat and they found me so quick. Got 4 requests just after 15 minutes but with prices around the usual 600 yuan I did not want to try. 80% of the time I used we chat girls I got disappointed or they tried to cheat me so no thanks.
Woke up today around 11 and headed back to Luohu cun. Barbershops had more girls now and now they tried to wave me in. Seemed to be many ugly looking girls there with too much make up but a few OK ones. Never mind heading back to the street to the right of the main road and just next to the construction site. Suddenly I saw this woman looking at me. She looked OK but a bit old. She had great legs and a perfect ass so I approached her. Do you want she asked and I said sure, how much? 200 but I bargained it down to 150. She took me up to her room and it was a very small place. Cleaner than the room I saw the day before but damn I do not know if I can do this here I thought. Asked her if she could come to my hotel and she agreed if I pay another 50. Sure why not. 200 total for how long time? She said 1 time. I told her I like slow and offered her 300 for 2 hours in my hotel thinking she would never agree, but she did.
Session was nice and at that price I would really want to meet her again. She told me she could come and see me anywhere in Shenzhen so I took her number and then we said goodbye.
Overall quite difficult to find the "right" girl, I guess I was just lucky today. Most girls around Luohu cun seemed pretty similar, not much variety, at least when I was there. Good that I had a hotel room today because I really did not like the rooms the girls was working in. I am not expecting any luxury but it was worse than HK, Portland street, which are more dirty than Temple street. That says it all.
Next time I will try the barbershops even though it seems not to be recommended. I guess I just want to see it for myself.
After visiting Luohu cun earlier today I had no intentions of finding more girls. However I ended up in Jiabin road and since I could not find a taxi I decided to check it out. I been here once before but did not try any girls. I just walked the alleys with shops and did not step in the small dark alleys. Today I did the opposite. I only walked around inside the dark alleys and there were around 2-4 girls in every crossing. I found one wearing a white dress, pretty face and OK breasts I thought. Sure why not, 150 yuan. She took me to her room which had a great air condition (very hot today). She then undressed herself, kept rushing me to get the job done. I explained to her that I needed to rest 5 minutes and she seemed annoyed by that. She tried a few more times to get me to hurry up and now she seemed angry. Great. I looked at her body and she was quite skinny. Too skinny for my taste. Also had fake breasts which I do not like. It just seemed out if place compared with the rest of her. My fault for not checking her out properly before choosing. She seemed very young. She told me she was 25 which I think was a lie. Now here in the room with good lights I realized that I really did not want to do anything with her. I think she noticed it and got annoyed, when I asked what's wrong she gave me the most fake laugh I ever saw in my life. It was not even a laugh it was more like a spoken " Hi Hi " . Huh? That just made me felt like she was a 18 year old-bored-out of place-bad attitude-want to buy a iPhone 6 girl.
Once you put me off there's no turning back in most cases and so I told her I wanted to leave. She asked why, pay then she said. I said her attitude is no good, you are too young maybe. I did not do anything so I do not want to pay anything. At this point I was so fed up with annoying people (I had a bad week) so I told her, do what you want I am not paying as I was half out the door. She said she will make a call and I told her go on, I can also make a call. In my opinion that made her completely change attitude and told me OK sorry. Pulled me back into the room and told me she had a bad day. No problem but I do not want to do anything anyway. My mood was ruined so I told her that I wanted to leave. Appreciated to apology and offered her 50 yuan in order to let me go which she agreed to. Then I left.
Do not act like I did, who knows what would have happened if she made that call. However her attitude was so annoying and when she tried to force me to pay her for doing nothing I felt she crossed the line with me. I had been annoyed before but not to that level, maybe with one 141 girl in HK that cheated me and refuse to pay my change. Anyway, it will probably take awhile for me to come back here, if I ever will.
I had some free time after dinner last night so decided to have a look. The first I noticed were a few girls outside the barbershops on the left side of the street. They looked at me but did not approach me even though I walked very slowly looking at them. Few steps later I saw a older woman sitting in a door entrance, she asked me if I wanted a massage. I declined. That was pretty much it on the entrance main road. I turned right and I did not see any working girls at all my first lap around the block. There were a few "hang outs" with 2-3 girls inside but I don't know if they was working girls or not. They were not dressed like obvious WGs like the HK streetwalkers. Had walked through the whole street now and now facing the police box in front of me. To my right is a small store and this seem to be the end of the street. I did not get approached by anyone here. Decided to walk back and turned right. Now I walked with the construction site directly to my right and one man asked if I wanted a girl. I did not like the feeling of this man so I declined.
Back on the main entrance street again.
I thought about leaving but lets give it one more try. Still no WGs in sight but got approached by a man asking if I wanted a girl. 150 yuan. OK I said and I followed him into a dark alley (not the best move I suspect but turned out to be no problem). Found a store (and he started talk to a woman inside. Seemed like the girl inside was not a WG and the guy looked confused now while picking up his phone to make a call. We went back into the alley and told me to wait here while he get some girls. OK fine. I saw this guy run around the street back and forth, talked to a old lady and working his phone. After 10 minutes still no girls!
I told him that I wanted to leave but he insisted to wait another 2 minutes. Finally a girl came. She looked cute but too young for my taste..Thank you for the review. Very sad you did not find much action. Shen Zhen does not sound like a great place to go right now.
{S N I P} I saw this guy run around the street back and forth, talked to a old lady and working his phone. After 10 minutes still no girls!
{S N I P}It seemed to be a very short supply of girls yesterday.
{S N I P}Aiii2Appreciated your accurate and entertaining sitrep. I suspect that there have been police raids on Luohu Cun and girls taken by the GA.
There have been recent reports of multiple raids on Xiangxi Cun. So zero girls one day, and only a small number the next day, and rarely ever any action between 8:00pm and midnight. Perhaps the situation is similar for Luohu Cun.
Xiangxi Cun and Luohu Cun are the 2 most famous cuns in Luohu (for mongering by foreigners) during the last 25 years or so. It is hard to imagine that these places, like some of the WGs there, have passed their 'use by' date. And even more difficult to imagine is the scam-ridden Shagrila Apartments being devoid of WGs. Even the great Yanda of 2104 barely slowed activity there.
Difficult times indeed! Still, I am glad that I have experienced mongering in SZ and CP in relatively good times. My only regret is that I never experienced Shatsui Cun in its heyday with somewhere between 3000 to 5000 WGs on the streets, in BBSs, KTVs etc. I was living in HK and SZ during Shatsui's heyday, but was unaware of its existence!
Ikksman
TomSf and Ikksman:
I have no idea on how it used to be before but after reading yours, and others reports I am sure that right now is not the best time in SZ. It is still there but to find a girl that suits your taste, good service / attitude, not try to cheat you seems to be very difficult. A lots of aspects to fulfill in other words which would be both time consuming and expensive. Or even impossible.
Maybe I am too greedy.
Anyway, I can understand the poor attitude of the girls in SZ at some level though (working conditions, salary etc) but if I were a girl I think I would try my best to give a good service to the ones that treat you good. Try build some guanxi and earn my money sticking to those that I "like", well the ones I do not hate maybe would be a better description.
That's how they do in HK but not here. SZ seems to be all about sucking out the most money as fast as possible at once. No understanding that a happy customer probably would return and spend even more money, and more and more. But no. I am not even talking about girls now I am talking about a lots of different daily life things in SZ.
I have been to many different cities around China and you can probably guess by now that I am not the biggest fan of SZ.
NorthSouth
05-01-15, 14:34
I had wondered whether Luohu Cun, being right on the border and likely frequented by mongerers from Hong Kong, may be increasingly targeted in time of tension between China and Hong Kong. For that reason, I avoided the area when I visited Shenzhen early this week.
I had wondered whether Luohu Cun, being right on the border and likely frequented by mongerers from Hong Kong, may be increasingly targeted in time of tension between China and Hong Kong. For that reason, I avoided the area when I visited Shenzhen early this week.Interesting thought.
I personally think that the HK guys visits other places (that we have no idea about), and not places like the Luohu cun.
I could be wrong but.
Let me put it this way. I have no knowledge about mongering areas in SZ, the little I know is what I have read about here on these forums. What I have experienced is all thanks to the posters in the SZ forum.
If I was an experienced man, with good language skills, connections all over town I am pretty sure I would not have to walk around Luohu cun with ISG open in my phone for directions.
There are even well experienced people here, frequent posters that knows a lot about SZ that would not even think about visiting the Shangri-la apartments.
I did. Not because I wanted to but because the lack of other options (and some curiosity of course).
No offence to anyone who visits the areas around Luohu but I just can not believe that a HK guy would go all the way to SZ for these cuns. Higher risk, poor quality and service, less options, even more expensive than a HK street walker.
Any raid is a possible danger but if any specific area is more in the danger zone because of a ethnic presence, I personally do not think so.
Any thoughts from the more experienced posters around here?
Fast Eddie 48
05-02-15, 18:49
I had wondered whether Luohu Cun, being right on the border and likely frequented by mongerers from Hong Kong, may be increasingly targeted in time of tension between China and Hong Kong. For that reason, I avoided the area when I visited Shenzhen early this week.To North South.
There is crack down all over China not just Shenzhen not just Luohu, this is a big city not easy to closed down all the bbs central government is offering reward for everyone report any illegal to police for arrest even in your hotel room you need to think twice to play in China now day use your head.
Fast eddie 48.
I've been living in SZ for a few years now and have been helped a lot by the posts here, so I'll start contributing back what I learned. I'm of Asian descent, have passable Mandarin skills, and already know about 75% of what's posted on the SZ thread but the remaining 25% has been very useful in expanding my existing knowledge.
I went around Luo Hu today and found the Shangra La hotels not brimming with activity, but if you look around or seem like you are looking around, then some mamasan / papasan will come and approach you, so definitely more low key than before. I never really liked the Shangra La hotel setup / quality / feel, so I didn't go check anything out.
I walked around Luo Hu Cun but I didn't even get the bit of action that Aii2 got. So, no approaches and no girls around, that I saw anyway.
Then I checked out what has been my most dependable source of P4P in the area: the Indian Restaurant apartments. If you are facing the 85 Degrees cafe in Carianna Square, do a 180 degree turn and directly across the street is a 7-11 convenience store which marks the entrance to the I. R. Apartments. When you find the Indian Restaurant and are facing it, the entire apartment complex behind you has about a dozen rooms run in a similar style to Shangra La mamsans (you go to their room, choose one of their girls, pay, use their room for the deed, leave). In general, I usually have better looks / service from the girls here vs. Shangra La and Luohu Cun, but experiences will vary.
The charge is actually 100, the same it's been for about a decade now, from what I've heard. Mamasans will definitely ***** / moan / complain about increasing costs, etc. But the price is still 100 for every customer who knows that price, though I've seen mamasans deny some darker-skinned mongers (I assume Indian) and a white skinned monger (American, from the accent) when they demanded 100 instead of somewhere between 120-150 RMB, so my recommendation is that if you are being denied the 100 RMB price, then paying between 110 -120 would be a compromise that I don't think any mamasan will leave on the table. And you can always take your business elsewhere, too.
I was led up to a room and saw two girls who looked somewhere between 18-23 but plain to slightly-cute. The third was older, in her late 20's, but had a "slutty" look to her but she still acted prim and proper, which was very attractive, so I chose her. It ended up being the right choice because she gave excellent sauna-style service including BBBJ, ball licking, and ass licking. I wanted so bad to come in her mouth but I tried to control myself because I wanted to fuck her pussy as well, which felt very tight as I fingered her. She allow fingering of her ass, but I didn't try anal. After long BBBJ-ball / ass licking, I put on cap, fucked, and at the end this became a rare case where she asked for a small tip at the end and I gladly gave a tip. I got her mobile number, but she wouldn't go meet me anywhere else, no matter what price I quoted. She only wanted to meet at the I. R. Apartments, so too bad. She said she had been in SZ 7 days and planned to be around for 2-3 months, but who knows if any of that's true, but you can PM me for her contact details.
Also, I ended up having to go near SZ university for something and then took the extra time to check out Daxin Cun. It looks and feels like Xiang Xi Cun, with a grid of alleyways, dirty nooks and crannies, and little shops and restaurants. But no girls or mamasans. I basically walked through every alleyway and didn't find anything and nobody approached me. This was at 5:30 pm, and so I stayed and got a local dinner, massage, then came back to the area at about 9:00 pm, but same result and left disappointed. If anyone has had actual experience with P4P in Daxin Cun, please post detailed information about where / what time.
Aiii2, I totally understand your POV. I can only quote the esteemed SEAJ:
"And of course the gentle nature of our Chinese courtesans! A real hazard was falling hard for the GFE and how most of them could still be so nice and gentle when their station in life and prospects are so dismal.
"Nowadays? Overpriced, princess syndrome, lousy attitudes, and of course all sorts of trepidation as LE action have been ridiculous and still continue. Sigh!
"Truly a paradise lost."
Maybe we should not complain too much about the increased prices in MPs, saunas and KTV. The minimum monthly wages in SZ has almost doubled from 1,100 yuan in 2010 to 2,030 yuan in 2015 - the highest in China (although some other cities in Guangdong still have minimum monthly wages of 1,210 yuan)!
It is amazing that prices in BBSs have not increased at all over the same period (although almost all agree that the WGs quantity and quality, and their QOS has decreased significantly).
But in my experience, SZ is still a paradise for freebies (because of the huge numbers of single SYTs. And at least they do not, like the SYTs in Shanghai and Hangzhou etc, immediately ask "Do you have a house and a car?". Pisses me right off every time!
Ikksman.
P.S. Where is the next P4P paradise?
{S N I P}
Also, I ended up having to go near SZ university for something and then took the extra time to check out Daxin Cun. It looks and feels like Xiang Xi Cun, with a grid of alleyways, dirty nooks and crannies, and little shops and restaurants. But no girls or mamasans. I basically walked through every alleyway and didn't find anything and nobody approached me. This was at 5:30 pm, and so I stayed and got a local dinner, massage, then came back to the area at about 9:00 pm, but same result and left disappointed. If anyone has had actual experience with P4P in Daxin Cun, please post detailed information about where / what time.Appreciate your post. I have read of Daxin Cun on another site. Unfortunately that site has many BS artists and scam agents so the information there is fairly unreliable. So maybe the Daxin information is also BS.
There are many cuns that previously had action, such as Huanggang, Gangxia, Shubei, Hubeixin, Citic Mall (Jusco) and the Futian Walmart BBSs. But no reliable poster has reported action at these places for a number of years. Remember that there were about 2,000 cuns in Shenzhen at the birth of the modern city a bit more than 30 years ago.
There are repeated reports that the regulars from HK go to various places in Buji subdistrict, but I don't know the actual locations.
The only other cun where I know there is definitely still some action is Shatsui cun. The whole cun covers a fairly big area, and the action is in quite a small area. I could post a detailed map if you feel that would be useful for you. The usual wannabe will probably try to denigrate me for doing so - the same one who has the audacity to claim that I have never posted a report of my "actual experience actually going with a girl in Shen Zhen". Sheesh! There are BS artists on every site! Anyway, let me know if you want detailed instructions and a map.
NorthSouth
05-03-15, 04:21
Thank you very much for that very comprehensive report. The IR Apartments sound interesting.
And once you located the IR building, how do you find the the mamasans and the WGs? Do you get approached by the mamasans or do you have to know which apartment to go to?
Ikksman,
Good information, thanks!
About the freebie scene, it requires too much work for me. I am getting real lazy especially when it is so hot outside. LOL. I just want to get a hotel, spend a few hours there and then leave. I also had to involve feelings (which I do not want to do) and I think finding a few ones that I could pay a few hundreds for each time is a better set up for me right now. I really do not have time to go in dinners, walks and I do not have the heart to treat my freebies like WGs.
I still have a few free ones left that I meet from time to time (other has remained friends, others deleted me) but I am looking for those, in my eyes "perfect ones". Some might have a nice body but is not the best in bed. Some might be very beautiful but has a annoying personality. Some might be very kind but can not please me as good as others. Etc etc. And most importantly, someone that does not get angry if I do not contact them for a few days. Am I too greedy? LOL.
I am not walking in to the cuns to find quick action. I am trying to find someone that I can see regularly but that does not involve any feelings. I managed to find a few in HK but I never had any problems killing dead time there, it is in SZ where I really need to find girls.
SZexpress, Ikksman and others:
Before I started to mongering I had a lots of freebies. Especially one comes to mind (we still have contact, she actually want to marry me). I just looked through some of her pictures she sent to me and I noticed in some of the pictures backround I could see a large painting of a man and a woman making love. Not a porn picture but the more romantic kind. At that time I did not react to it but after starting mongering I now realize that these type of pictures are very common in working girls apartments!
Could this girl that I actually met more then 15 times over the past year actually be a working girl that I do not know about? Maybe. I now tried to recap everything about her and I kind of made up my mind that it might well be so. She always dress in tight skirts, sexy clothes, make up and so on. Her friends have exactly the same style. At one time I saw her we chat account and it had many men there. Too many. After seeing this we did not met anymore but she claims she do not know these men. Ah well. I tried to " brake up" with her for a few months now but she really proved herself to me. I am sure she really likes me. I do not feel the same way about her but since she tried so hard I kept contact with her as friends.
I do know where she lives and I am guessing that this area might be a possible new place to find girls. I do not want to give any false leads so I won't tell you the area just yet. I need to go and investigate first. I also know a few 141 girls in HK that comes from Buji and this area is very close to it. I just looked on the map to see if I can find any small narrow alleys and this place has a lots if them. Xiang xi cun times 100? Might be. Alley wise.
Any brave man that are up for going on a exploring trip anytime soon around the Buji area without too high expectations? Let me know, prefer a Asian looking man (I know there are a few here in this forum including me) to avoid too much attention. I know what's going on around Buji so prefer staying low key for this first time. No offence to other mongers.
I've been living in SZ for a few years now and have been helped a lot by the posts here, so I'll start contributing back what I learned. I'm of Asian descent, have passable Mandarin skills, and already know about 75% of what's posted on the SZ thread but the remaining 25% has been very useful in expanding my existing knowledge.
I went around Luo Hu today and found the Shangra La hotels not brimming with activity, but if you look around or seem like you are looking around, then some mamasan / papasan will come and approach you, so definitely more low key than before. I never really liked the Shangra La hotel setup / quality / feel, so I didn't go check anything out.
I walked around Luo Hu Cun but I didn't even get the bit of action that Aii2 got. So, no approaches and no girls around, that I saw anyway.
Then I checked out what has been my most dependable source of P4P in the area: the Indian Restaurant apartments. If you are facing the 85 Degrees cafe in Carianna Square, do a 180 degree turn and directly across the street is a 7-11 convenience store which marks the entrance to the I. R. Apartments. When you find the Indian Restaurant and are facing it, the entire apartment complex behind you has about a dozen rooms run in a similar style to Shangra La mamsans (you go to their room, choose one of their girls, pay, use their room for the deed, leave). In general, I usually have better looks / service from the girls here vs. Shangra La and Luohu Cun, but experiences will vary.
The charge is actually 100, the same it's been for about a decade now, from what I've heard. Mamasans will definitely ***** / moan / complain about increasing costs, etc. But the price is still 100 for every customer who knows that price, though I've seen mamasans deny some darker-skinned mongers (I assume Indian) and a white skinned monger (American, from the accent) when they demanded 100 instead of somewhere between 120-150 RMB, so my recommendation is that if you are being denied the 100 RMB price, then paying between 110 -120 would be a compromise that I don't think any mamasan will leave on the table. And you can always take your business elsewhere, too.
I was led up to a room and saw two girls who looked somewhere between 18-23 but plain to slightly-cute. The third was older, in her late 20's, but had a "slutty" look to her but she still acted prim and proper, which was very attractive, so I chose her. It ended up being the right choice because she gave excellent sauna-style service including BBBJ, ball licking, and ass licking. I wanted so bad to come in her mouth but I tried to control myself because I wanted to fuck her pussy as well, which felt very tight as I fingered her. She allow fingering of her ass, but I didn't try anal. After long BBBJ-ball / ass licking, I put on cap, fucked, and at the end this became a rare case where she asked for a small tip at the end and I gladly gave a tip. I got her mobile number, but she wouldn't go meet me anywhere else, no matter what price I quoted. She only wanted to meet at the I. R. Apartments, so too bad. She said she had been in SZ 7 days and planned to be around for 2-3 months, but who knows if any of that's true, but you can PM me for her contact details.
Also, I ended up having to go near SZ university for something and then took the extra time to check out Daxin Cun. It looks and feels like Xiang Xi Cun, with a grid of alleyways, dirty nooks and crannies, and little shops and restaurants. But no girls or mamasans. I basically walked through every alleyway and didn't find anything and nobody approached me. This was at 5:30 pm, and so I stayed and got a local dinner, massage, then came back to the area at about 9:00 pm, but same result and left disappointed. If anyone has had actual experience with P4P in Daxin Cun, please post detailed information about where / what time.SZexpress,
Great to hear we have some people on the ground there that live there. If the endless working girl train is over in Shenzhen for now then it is over until the change in government. Your type of reporting is what ISG is for because it saves other members from flying into there for action when there is not much left. My only hope in Shenzhen is that there are still some apartments that have many girls working inside. Maybe now the managers are just using the internet only because standing outside to get customers is too dangerous. But there will always be one or two managers that will risk standing outside to get customers.
Starting from now the Shenzhen forum needs to be build up again from people on the ground. We need recent trip reports now like what you posted for the most accurate and up to date information. We have has-beens on here that try to dominate the Shenzhen forum with maps and information from 20 years ago. When now everything has changed. So in this new era we need to start will the most up to date information. New people traveling to Shenzhen will probably be wasting there time going to old posts on here how things used to be in Shenzhen.
I followed up my visit to Luohu with another one earlier today. I was really tempted to go do Ms Sauna service in the Indian Restaurants Apartments, but like most mongers, the attraction of the "unknown potential" of other girls proved more attractive (usually a mistake, but alas, like a moth to flame.).
I went to the Shangra La Apartments, passed by several times before I got some stares from what I assumed were mamasans / papasans, but still nobody approached me. I almost couldn't believe it, so I walked up to one and asked if there were girls, and you could see the hamster wheel running in her mind. "Is this guy a policeman? Undercover?" I finally had to add, "Come on, I came last month with my HK friend Mr Lee! He always comes!" She didn't really seem to buy my bullshit, but I started laughing and she started kind of laughing. And led me inside. Typical routine of waiting forever for the elevator to come down, crowding in with a mix of other mamasans, families / kids, then getting off with mamasan to wait 10-15 minutes in a squalid apartment for 1-2 girls to come. After 15 minutes, one chubby, annoyed, unattractive mid-20's girl arrived, scowled at me while the mamasan touted her awesomeness, and I left. Interestingly, I went down with the same girl in the elevator and she lightened up when I joked around with her.
Next stop I went to the famed Luohu Cun. I was eager to find the mamasan mentioned by Ikksman, but nobody approached me all the way to the police box area. Looked around and there were a bunch of male guys that may or may not have been papasans, but they ignored me. Two older females that looked like mamasans propositioned me as I walked past them. Neither looked like they could have been considered attractive and / or fuckable, now, 10, or 30 years ago, so I'm assuming neither were the ones that Ikksman is / was familiar with. I asked for a younger girl with a good body who gave good service and they had a 5 minute discussion with each other about who to call before making about a dozen calls; in hindsight, that was probably not a good sign. A girl showed up and she was fairly young and attractive, probably mid 20's, slim (though if this was 3-4 years ago Luohu Cun, I don't think she would have much business because of competition from younger / more attractive girls). I hadn't discussed price and was about to give her 100 before going upstairs into an apartment building, but she almost shouted that "there is NO WAY it is 100 anymore!! 120, at least! I kind of kept my laughter down in the face of this ridiculousness but I said as a friend, I'd give 110. And of course she accepted.
The girl got into the room, closed the door and stripped her shorts and was laying on the bed in 5 seconds. In hindsight, another sign of trouble. I told her to hold on while I took a shower and that I expected a blowjob. Which led to all sorts of complaints and scowls (she must have been friends with Ms Shangra La). I hadn't even taken off my shoes yet and said I could go downstairs and get a refund, and after bitching some more, she agreed to a CBJ. I showered, she gave me a pretty good CBJ, we fucked (she squeezed her pussy muscles very well and combined with my attitude to finish this whole experience quickly), and everything was done in about 10 minutes. Actually, the whole experience was better than it sounds and would have actually been good "release" experience without all the bitching and moaning by the mamasan and girl, but alas.
As a finale, I had a quick meal and went back to the Indian Restaurant Apartments to end the day with something awesome, which meant calling up Ms Sauna Service, who performed even better than even my highest expectations. Essentially, she has the attitude / understanding that good service = repeat customers / more money. She must have gave me a 10 minute blowjob / rimming before we fucked about 10 minutes, then noticed that it was taking a while for me to come, so she gave me another10 minute blowjob / rimming before I came in her mouth. She didn't flinch and caught everything in her mouth and keep sucking for another minute or so, and finally stopped because I asked her to. These are the kind of needle-in-a-haystack experiences that keep mongers searching for more. There must have been at least 3 other customers entering and exiting the room next door during this whole time but she never rushed me. I left her with a big tip and I left with a big grin as I walked out of the apartment and the other girls kind of giggled and I could hear them chatting with her after I closed the door behind me.
My next area to explore more fully is Futian, but things have changed so much that I really don't know where anything is located now. The two full-service massage places I went to have been torn down with restaurants in their places now. If anyone has updated info I can use, I'll definitely check things out and report here.
Interestingly, my regular masseuse that comes over to my apartment for massage / sex service actually lives in Buji and jokes to me that there are lots of BBS, full service massage, saunas, etc. Out there and I would be happy there. But doesn't give me specific directions to anything. Smart woman to protect her income stream, ha.
{S N I P} I could post a detailed map if you feel that would be useful for you. The usual wannabe will probably try to denigrate me for doing so - the same one who has the audacity to claim that I have never posted a report of my "actual experience actually going with a girl in Shen Zhen".Didn't take long for the anticipated comments to occur! Gee, I am a "has-been" with "maps and information from 20 years ago". I wonder if my photos are also from 20 years ago?
However, I do appreciate his knowledge and sincerely hope that he continues to educate us with his genuine pearls of wisdom:
• "China is very racist- 95% of {working}girls will not go with you if you are white."
• "They {Chinese} suspect non-Chinese are linked to police."
• "If you are white bringing a 19 year old back to your hotel is extremely risky"
• "I do like the window shop girls but was told cops rush in there in plain cloths a lot"
• "Now if you go into a KTV yes you will get scammed"
• "Can't run to police because they will be in on it {KTV scam}"
• "Most people in Taiwan speak English"
• And dozens of other classics from a true China guru!
Well done! Keep up the good work!
Ikksman.
{S N I P}Interestingly, my regular masseuse that comes over to my apartment for massage / sex service actually lives in Buji and jokes to me that there are lots of BBS, full service massage, saunas, etc. Out there and I would be happy there.
{S N I P}I also know a few 141 girls in HK that comes from Buji and this area is very close to it. I just looked on the map to see if I can find any small narrow alleys and this place has a lots if them. Xiang xi cun times 100? Might be. Alley wise.
Any brave man that are up for going on a exploring trip anytime soon around the Buji area without too high expectations? {S N I P}If any of you can read Chinese OK, then I think that some of the Chinese sites would identify the areas in Buji where there is action. The English sites I checked do not give precise location data.
I had a look at the maps on sz.chachaba, as it names the various cuns. Just the 3 remaining parts of Buji Cun (布吉-村, 布吉向屋村 and 布吉新村) could be up to 70-80 times larger than Xiangxi Cun. There are about another 20 cuns in Buji Subdistrict. And the original Buji Town had cuns that are now located in Bantian and Nanwan (sp) subdistricts.
Ikksman.
I went to Buji yesterday night to find out if I could find any action there. Without having any idea on where to go, I decided to start out on the main street where all the shops and street vendors are at Buji road. I gave myself a 5% chance of finding anything but I still wanted to get a feel of the area. I have been there once before but it was a long time ago.
After walking down the whole street all the way down to the exit at Buji lao jie I could not find anything. Obviously there wouldn't be so out in the public, I figured I needed to head into the back streets. To the east there were only a main road where all the cars drive (Yue bao road) so I slowly moved to the west side and Lemin road. I saw a couple of girls that had that obvious WG attire but they where walking like they were going somewhere. Not slowly walking around looking for customers. (BTW I never seen a SW in SZ, my only experience is from HK). I think I went through every dark alley for a 3 blocks radius but could not find anything. I looked at my phone map and saw that if I walked even more west I would enter a huge area of close housing (Buji community and Hewu area). Too big area to explore I thought and might even be unsafe since it was close to 11 in the evening now. I decided to stick around the main streets / alleys. I saw a couple of old men that could have been pimps but I doubt it, at least they did not approach me after standing close to them during a smoke. Now I headed north on Lemin road and then right to return to Buji road. I could still not find any action. The streets were pretty busy even though it was late, many people looked. How should I put this, typical village people. (as expected in this type of area) but from time to time I saw girls with quite sexy attires. Quite a contrast. I tried my best to see where they were going (007 mode, LOL) but did not find anything of interest. Never mind a first walk into the unknown is nothing to be disappointed of I thought and found me a taxi.
The Buji area has many different areas and seems to be quite unexplored so it is difficult to know where to start. I think that the old villages close to a shopping / food street would be the most likely place to have WGs. If the village is too far from a subway station or a main road there would be difficult to finding customers. Or am I wrong?
Next stop for me was Xiaweixin cun of Caopu, a quite large area of old houses, dark alleys and very narrow streets. I planned to explore this bit in the taxi since it was late. (starting at Zhangshe road). According to my map you could drive through this and another village (west of Caopu subway station) all the way down to Nigang road. However the driver refused to drive inside too far. I could not understand the reason why (my mandarin is very limited) but might have been because of the narrow streets. This village made Buji look like the city center. Small shops, a few street vendors and plastic chairs everywhere. A few people gave me dirty looks while I was sitting inside the taxi and I thought I better not walk outside at this hour. 3 drunken men were walking together holding each others backs and when the taxi driver tried to make a you-turn they got annoyed and started to hit the car. After this I told the driver to take me home.
Even though I did not find anything I don't regret going there. Always interesting to explore new areas and I am not giving up. I reckon I only experienced the surface of these places last night. Next step is to explore these areas further but in day time. I still have not visited the area that my freebie, supposedly WG lives yet even though I was quite close. If anybody have any ideas on which area I should be looking for please let me know. Maybe it is just my imagination but I can feel it is out there somewhere. My Buji adventures continues as soon as I have time.
It's ironic that Aiii2 just posted about his Buji experience just before I posted my experience about Huanggang Cun. Even more ironic is how similar our experiences were.
So, for those who don't know, Huanggang Cun is the area close to a China / Hong Kong border (Futian Border Crossing, Huanggang Border Crossing). Like Luohu district, it's proximity to an HK border crossing guaranteed that there would be quick, convenient action for the hordes of HK guys that come across the border. Yet, I couldn't find any. The streets are like any decent neighborhood streets and the alleyways are much cleaner, brightly lit, and organized than in Luohu's mostly older cuns, which is usually a bad sign for out-in-the-open p4 p, but it doesn't mean there isn't any P4P.
Since Huanggang Cun looks and feels newer / richer / upper class residential than Luohu, I'm guessing most of the P4P is sauna / massage / KTV style. In my exploration, I went to 5 different massage places and they all directly told me HJ or breast massage was included in the "HK / Japanese / Korean / Colorful style massage" (depending upon the place, there seems to be different names for the HJ / breast massage). Prices ranged from 198 to 298 for the HJ / breast massage. None of the places indicated that full service was available, but there was 1 place that made me feel full service was available just not to a new / inquiring customer like me. His answer to "Is there a full service option?" was a bit hesitant, slow, and awkward, like he was measuring me to see if I'm a cop, at least that's what I felt. I actually tried a full service place in Huanggang Cun a few years ago on the recommendation of a friend, and it was true there was full service available at that time, but I thought it was equivalent to fucking a Luohu BBS girl in a cleaner room but for more than double the price (350 or so RMB total, I think). I tried to look for that place, but I found it has been converted into a HK restaurant.
What I did spot were dozens and dozens of attractively dressed young girls walking to different places, and like Aiii2 wrote, not walking around looking for customers, but like walking to work. I following a pair of cuties as the walked and walked, out of Huanggang Cun to the next cun over, Shui Wei Cun. They ended up at some KTV called The Budda's Mouth, which is attached to The Budda's mouth restaurant. After walking around Shui Wei Cun, I counted at least 6 huge KTVs (huge= at least 75-100 rooms) and this is on top of the 4-5 huge KTVs I had seen in Huanggang Cun. So, well, in my mind, that was where 75-80% of the attractively dressed young women were going / coming from. But there was still that additional 20% dressed in a way that looked more "BBS" than "KTV", so I followed another three girls around. Result: one went upstairs to an apartment (likely to go home), the other hopped on a motorbike and sped away, the last went into a local restaurant to eat. I stopped following girls and searched every alleyway in Shui Wei Cun and Huanggang Cun and found nothing. I guess it was good exercise walking around so much so I finally decided to try one of the massage places. At the end of my walk, I was near the front of Shui Wei Cun, behind the Ren Ren LE supermarket. If you see a Hubei Ren restaurant, there is a legit hair salon to the left, two floors and see through windows. Right next to that is the entrance to an alley / back street with a "the pai dong" restaurant and sandwiched between the restaurant and salon is the massage place I went to. A dude is waiting outside behind a podium and will lead you to the 4th floor. I came back to this place because when I asked earlier about HJ / breast massage, the dude so nonchalantly said, "Of course there, it! Totally part of the 178 price, and you don't have to give a tip! How can you resist? He was right and I didn't resist. I asked him for a recommendation and he recommended #3 XX (you can PM me if you want the specific number because I don't want to go back one night and see her but find out her wrist became strained from a sudden non-stop deluge of penises needing action). She turned out to awesome, with a curvy sexy body, big breasts, and big butt, essentially like the kind of bodies you see on models in rap videos, I kid you not. Of course this meant she thought of herself as fat and out of shape compared to all the "pretty girls" in Shenzhen. I was already hard thinking of roaming my hands on her body and she instantly noticed and was giggling at me. So I stripped, went to the separate bathroom to take a shower, then back to the room, and laid on the bed in a pair of pajama shorts. The rooms are small private rooms with a small, narrow clear glass window, and I could easily imagine full service being offered, but Ms Rapper said FS was not on the menu but that I would be "very happy" with her service. She started with a pretty good back massage and then went to the shoulders then stood in front of me to do more shoulder massage. At the point, her thighs kept brushing my hands so I took that as an invite to roam and she giggled but made no move to stop me. Then she took out baby oil and massaged my back, ,alternating between soft and deep massage. She went behind me, sat cross legged and put my two legs on top of her legs. The only times I've been in this position was a sauna in Dongguan when the girl was getting ready to give me a rimming. I thought, "What? Was she actually going to rim me?
Alas, she oiled her hands and poured more oil on my ass crack and started massaging my ass, asshole, balls, and cock. It wasn't as great a feeling as a rimming and blowjob, but to her credit, it wasn't that far off, pretty amazing actually. So she continued with this pseudo ass massage / reach around HJ for about 10 minute before telling me to turn over, again putting my legs on top of hers. I totally thought, "What? Is she actually going to blow me?" But, she simply put more oil on her hands and massaged my chest, paying extra attention to my nipples. Then to my chest and then my legs and then finally my cock. She must have had an enormous amount of practice whacking off penises because she knows exactly how to alternate the pressure / tempo of her strokes to use to give you pleasure to get you close to the edge of blowing a load. Before shifting gears to a slow and steady teasing to let you calm down, and then to repeat everything again. At this time, my hands were roaming all over her thighs and breasts with only giggles from her. I shot my load while holding her breast in one hand and a hand in her underwear tying to finger her, though not very successfully (more because of how were were physically positioned). She cleaned up, went outside to wash her hands, then came back to give me a head massage for the last 10-15 minutes of the 90 minute session. She's sexy, fun, skilled, and a nice person, so I couldn't ask for more in a masseuse (except asking for a blowjob and rimming, I guess).
She has an incredible smile and an equally incredible body and gave me the best non-FS massage I've ever had, so I can't complain. We exchanged contact info before I left. She usually does the late shift from 7 pm to 7 am in case you feel like giving her a try. I think 178 rmb for a massage + HJ is a great deal, especially in that area.
Last thing I wanted to mention was that another SZ board member years ago had recommended some website named happymassage com to find out what sauna / massage places offered what services, so I combed through that whole site's yellow page listings of massage places in Shenzhen. My conclusion is that site was put up by Chinese pimps with fake reviews and / or reviews copy and pasted from sites like ISG. There was one intriguing review left about 141-type hotel service offered in SZ where you would have to first call a number, get a hotel location, and then go a designated room for service. The review was about 3 years old and even though the reviewer left a mobile number to call, I highly doubted it could work, but you got to try before writing it off, right? So I first messaged the listed number to ask if full service was available and almost instantly came a "yes" to my phone. Now I was intrigued and sent another SMS asking about where the hotel was. Within seconds, the mysterious person called my phone, asking (in Cantonese) where I am located and when could I arrive. I said I was at Huanggang Border and he told me the hotel was close by and he sent me the address. It turned out to be located inside one of the mid-sized hotel chains that I've stayed in during trips to other cities in Guangdong. I was actually going to jump into the a taxi and head to the address, but I sent an SMS to confirm the 350 price and I got a reply that the standard price is now 700. Didn't really want to spend that much money on possibly rushed, horrible service from an unknown girl, so, I ended up not trying this telephone service but I'll be happy to give ISG members the mobile contact for this hotel pimp.
Like Aiii2 felt in his recent exploration, I wasn't happy to had to left Futian without finding full service P4P, but I'm also not unhappy to have spotted so many hot girls, explore / re-explore areas of SZ, and find an awesome masseuse.
HongKong2015
05-04-15, 18:18
Thank you Aiii2 and SZexpress for your reports!
I live in Hong Kong and am white. I recently took some trips to ShenZhen and wanted to add what I found. I left the Shen Zhen train station eventually walking toward Renmin Rd. Walking and exploring the LuoHu district. I did find a tout or she found me next to the Shangri-La Hotel. The tout had me walk with her to some apartment complex. We walk to the apartment building and no money was discusses or anything. I started to worry if I am being set up to get robbed etc. So I used my phone to talk with her to translate. I told her she must bring the girl downstairs so I can see her first. I was firm on this. She reluctantly agreed. Two girls came down I would say 20 and 21 years old. I really liked the 21 year old. So I said ok lets go. By the way both girls were dressed like normal girls. No way would you think they are working. I follow her into the apartment building. The building was filled with people coming in and out. I was the only white guy and everyone was looking me. OMG, did I feel uncomfortable. They all seen me following the tout and all knew I did not belong there. Up to the small room and there was a man in there. WTF! But, I think it was her husband and he lived there. He was just watching TV and offered me water. The tout takes me to a bedroom she asks for for 500 RMB. I have been reading this forum. We fought over price for like 5 minutes. Finally I talked her down to 300 and she accepted pissed off. I definitely got over charged. But, its hard to argue with a phone to translate. Anyway. The girl hands me a towel and takes me to the bathroom to shower. I have everything with me at all times. I shower and head back to room. Now the girl goes and showers and I wait in the room for her. She comes in wrapped in a towel. I take her towel off and wow. Very nice. Not an ounce of fat. Sharp pointy nipples with a large very be cup. This will work. LOL. I try to kiss her but she turns her head. So I just kiss her face and she seemed OK with it. She took orders pretty well. CBJ, all positions. But she would always turn her head to side. She would not look at me in the eyes. Her pussy was so tight I was loving every minute of it. I finished doggy style. I used shower first. Left by myself. The tout was gone and just the guy was there watching TV. As I left down the elevator and walked out. I definitely got many dirty stares and felt like a black sheep. Then went to Nanhu Road and got some food.
I did see one other tout as I walked but did not go with him. Back to Hong Kong. More latter.
{S N I P}Even though I did not find anything I don't regret going there. Always interesting to explore new areas and I am not giving up. I reckon I only experienced the surface of these places last night. Next step is to explore these areas further but in day time. I still have not visited the area that my freebie, supposedly WG lives yet even though I was quite close. If anybody have any ideas on which area I should be looking for please let me know. Maybe it is just my imagination but I can feel it is out there somewhere. My Buji adventures continues as soon as I have time.You're a braver man than I am Gunga Din (apologies to Rudyard Kipling).
Only a few comments to make / suggest.
Firstly, I have observed that in China, there are often many MPs, BBSs etc close to main railway stations. So, close to Shenzhen East station (as you were), seems a good place to start. And what about on the other side of the station in Buji New Cun?
Sometimes, the action is in the middle of a large village. For example, the map below shows Shatsui Cun, and the action is / was limited to the marked central blocks. There was never any action on the edges of the village (in the last 9 years).
And the action in villages is not just limited to the evening. HK mongerers are active in SZ during the day and early evening as Lowu is not a 24 hour entry point. Much less scary wandering the villages in daylight!
Good luck!
Ikksman.
It's ironic that Aiii2 just posted about his Buji experience just before I posted my experience about Huanggang Cun. Even more ironic is how similar our experiences were.
So, for those who don't know, Huanggang Cun is the area close to a China / Hong Kong border (Futian Border Crossing, Huanggang Border Crossing). Like Luohu district, it's proximity to an HK border crossing guaranteed that there would be quick, convenient action for the hordes of HK guys that come across the border. Yet, I couldn't find any. The streets are like any decent neighborhood streets and the alleyways are much cleaner, brightly lit, and organized than in Luohu's mostly older cuns, which is usually a bad sign for out-in-the-open p4 p, but it doesn't mean there isn't any P4P.
{S N I P}
Like Aiii2 felt in his recent exploration, I wasn't happy to had to left Futian without finding full service P4P, but I'm also not unhappy to have spotted so many hot girls, explore / re-explore areas of SZ, and find an awesome masseuse.Huangang Cun was cleaned up many years ago. I can remember going there when I lived in HK. The place was swarming with young HK dudes, drinking, eating, playing pool and shagging themselves silly for a cheap evening out. Active areas included even the streets with shops close to (behind) the apartment towers on the corner. But it was not a particularly safe place to play.
I think that most MPs anywhere in SZ offer HEs. Nothing much changed in that regard!
WRT the Happy Massage, it seems to be an international site, but you are spot on in that some of the reviews are C&P from ISG and Sammee Buoy. And all the MPs and saunas offering FS is just BS. They have not updated the details since the great yanda of 2014. They even list places like Zense Spa as offering FS!
There are reports from time to time about apartments / hotels where you ring and are told to go to a certain room. But, as you experienced, the prices approach ST escort / outcall pricing.
Anyway, great report.
Didn't take long for the anticipated comments to occur! Gee, I am a "has-been" with "maps and information from 20 years ago". I wonder if my photos are also from 20 years ago?
I forgot to mention that, for the sake of diversity, I posted one photo each of a:
o WG
o SYT freebie
o 'left over' girl
o DHer
o Married woman
Can you match the photos without referring to my original posts about the girls?
Ikksman.
PukiMonster
05-07-15, 13:39
Thank you Aiii2 and SZexpress for your reports!
I live in Hong Kong and am white. I recently took some trips to ShenZhen and wanted to add what I found. I left the Shen Zhen train station eventually walking toward Renmin Rd. Walking and exploring the LuoHu district. I did find a tout or she found me next to the Shangri-La Hotel. The tout had me walk with her to some apartment complex. We walk to the apartment building and no money was discusses or anything. I started to worry if I am being set up to get robbed etc. So I used my phone to talk with her to translate. I told her she must bring the girl downstairs so I can see her first. I was firm on this. She reluctantly agreed. Two girls came down I would say 20 and 21 years old. I really liked the 21 year old. So I said ok lets go. By the way both girls were dressed like normal girls.HK,
Was there only one scout at the Shangri La apartments? Did you need to calm the WGs down because you were white? If you could speak Chinese would it be easier to calm the WGs down?
Did you see any scouts opposite Carrianna Square on any of your recent visits?
Puki
Since the last time I was there I heard about there being action around Buji from a taxi driver. Ikksman suggested Buji new cun and I also had a few areas that I did not explore before. So back to the unknown once again.
Surrounding areas of Buji road.
Started out on Buji road like last time. I wanted to make sure I did not miss anything so I went through the whole area again including back alleys from Lianhua road in the south, to Jihua road in the north. Both west and east of Buji road but found nothing. I had no choice but heading west into the large villages. At least it was not dark yet I thought while entering the first village.
Buji yi cun.
Between Getang road in the south, Daping road in the north and Lemin road to the east. This area is located on a hill and has a lots of small low income houses / sheds. The alleys going from left and right has stores and small restaurants while the ones going up and down is more apartment entries. I noticed quite a lots of small BBS but they seemed to be real shops without any WGs. I tried to go through every single alley and the only thing that happened was that a old lady approached me to hand out a flyer for foot massage. I checked it out and it was clearly not the kind of massage place I was looking for, so kept on going. All the alleys has group of men sitting around and doing nothing. Every alley has a small shop (at least one? Sometimes more) where mostly women playing mahjong. Some of these women was quite good looking but even though looking straight at them a few times, no reaction at all. After I been through everywhere I decided to head south towards The hundreds of handshake houses of Hewu and Buji community.
Hewu and Buji community.
Between Getang road in the north to Lianhua road in the south. Theres also villages further south all the way down to Baoli road but I do not know the name of it. So I will put the report on these areas here as well. Narrow alleys dominates this place, very dirty, very dark, many small shops. Again many BBS but all seems legit. Got a lots of stares while walking around this area so I bet it would be quite uncomfortable during evening time. I can honestly say that I almost went through it all (about 90 minutes of walking through every alley) and at last I found a BBS (the only one) very close to Lianhua road that had girls with WG attires. One girl had a sexy pink dress, red hair and high heels, another a black top and extremely small white shorts. Wow I thought. In my mind that was out of place in that area. I had a smoke outside to see if anyone would approach me but no. I even kept staring at the girls but nobody even looked at me more than 1 second. Wth. I guess it was just another normal shop then but with some hot girls inside. Went down to Lianhua road where I saw some more sexy dressed girls. This road is big and has a lots of cars on it, so just like SZexpress did I decided to follow them awhile to see if they could lead me to something. Again a dissapointment. One kept walking so long that I finally gave up, another one just went in to a apartment building. I am now heading south of Lianhua road were a total of 4 big villages is located. I do not know their name but are located between Yuebao road in the east to Baihua 1st street in the west. Pretty much the same layout as the previous villages. I saw a couple of hot MILF playing mahjong and one of them looked at me and smiled. I really wanted to start talking to her but there were a few men there aswell that did not look so happy, might have been a husband or a brother so forget about it. These villages are not the most tourist friendly, or maybe not friendly at all to anyone (by the look of it) but after walking around few of these previously I started to feel more comfortable. Even so I needed a break. The hot weather really got to me so I found a ice cream shop to relax in for awhile. I had no idea where I was, the GPS does not work 100% within these areas and according to my GPS I was close to a main road, which was not true. Never mind, finish my ice cream and just walk until I hit a big road was the plan. I was really concentrated on my GPS and when I looked up I saw this nice looking woman in front of me. I walked behind her and I kept looking at her perfect ass for at least 1 minute. I even took a picture of her walking. (I am sick I know) LOL. I just had to talk to her! Asked for directions to the subway and she asked me if I am chinese. I guess she noticed my poor mandarin so I explained to her no, I am from. . . Anyway now a conversation was started at least. I did not really want to go to the subway, I just wanted to have a reason to talk to her but she insisted to follow me to the station (which was very far away, actually a 30 min walk). After walking for about 20 minutes I recognized the Buji road area so I told her that she really really did not have to go with me all the way to the station. I thanked her so much and took her phone number + we chat. So now what? I could not head back to the villages, in fear of meeting this woman on the streets again. I reckon I explored about 90% of the villages north of Lianhua road and maybe 60% to the south. I figured there would not be any action here anyway so off to the next area.
Buji xin cun.
Arrived by taxi at the east gate on Jizheng road. This did not look like the previous villages, no small houses. This reminded me more of European housing projects, tall and many apartments. However I just had a look of it from outside, I had to head in to really see for myself what this area was all about. Walking uphill a few minutes from the east gate to arrive at the buildings. Wow. This looked like a ghost town. Since the houses was so tall there was not room for even a bit of sunlight to enter. This place was one of the most scary places I ever been to. (vision-wise) Anyone remembers Kowloon Walled city in HK before they turned it into a park? This place was a mixture of that and some areas of Sham shui po, but of course much smaller. Again, quite few shops but no action. Instead of looking for girls by this time I just went around taking pictures of this strange place instead. I went through every alley and then I left the cun.
Buji park area and Changlong.
So back again on Jizheng road heading north. Crossed over Zhongxin road and towards Huating hotel. I went around some back alleys but my feeling was that I just wasted time here. Back to the big road and time to check out the north of Buji park. After a 10-15 minutes of walk, resting on the bridge over the train tracks (nice wind, fresh air) I felt I was ready to do some more exploring. Going south on Jinpeng road and then in on Jinli road. Walked around for 15 minutes and then went back where I started. Of course I found nothing again. I started to feel hopeless by now, what did I do wrong? I been around Buji all day but could but find anything. I went to all the obvious places as well as the non-obvious places. I pretty much gave up any hope now and just walked around for fun. Xinle road is a shopping street that goes all the way to the subway so I spent time there looking for clothes and flirting with the sales girls instead. When I arrived at the station I noticed another village quite close to me, Changlong xin cun. Should I? Honestly I did not have any energy left and I just wanted to get on the subway and have a rest. The only place in SZ with a proper air condition (I really miss HK in the summer time)! I am not familiar with the subway at all so I looked at the map, Huangbeiling. End of the Huanzhong line and one stop away from Hubei station. OK Hubei xin cun next!
Hubei xin cun.
Got of at exit be (Huangbei ling station) and quickly found Huangbeiling south road. I never been around this area before so why not check it out. Instead of walking west on the boring Shennan east blvd I decided to walk through the back streets all the way to Hubei. Average place, felt like Guangzhou but nothing special. As I approached Hubei I found the east gate on Wenjin middle road. I have read about the Hubei cun but had no plans to visit there, at least not today but ended up there anyway. I did not do any research at all (low battery) I just went in and hoped for the best. Started of on Hubei 1st street and then took the first right. This place felt exactly like Xiang xi cun. I walked through all the main streets and looked into every alley. No WGs. Then I headed into the dark alleys (Xiang xi cun deja vu) but still no girls on the east side. Did the same thing on the west side but again no luck. I walked through all 4 different set of blocks, I also walked around on the outside roads (Leyuan and Zhongxing road). Many restaurants, a huge seafood restaurant that I remember reading about and also a seafood shop. I did not where to go next so I went through the whole area for the second time but nothing again. No pimps, no girls, only a few legit BBSs. I wanted to check out the alleys south of Hubei 1st street but a big long wall blocked of that area. So I had to walk out of the village (through metal gates) and walk around. Of course I found nothing as usual. Now being pretty tired I had two options, head down to Xiang xi cun or to go home. After visiting many places without luck I thought why not, I started to walk towards Xiang xi. As I walked I felt more and more tired. Spotted a taxi and that was it, I finally gave up.
I can live with not to find anything around Buji but what about Hubei xin cun? Now after coming home I been reading about action in Hubei. I thought I searched through every single inch of it but found nothing. Where are the girls suppose to hangout? The dark alleys like Xiang xi cun? The time I was there were around 6-8 in the evening. If this really is the result of crackdowns I am guessing the only action to be found would be in Luohu cun and the apartments behind Shangri La hotel.
Ironically, again Aiii2 makes a post right before I do. At this point, I expect him to make posts right immediately before or after me every time.
I had a chance to go exploring around the Xin Zhou area recently. I didn't hear much about it and it was only because a motorbike driver told me about it that I even heard about this place in a mongering sense. From Huanggang Cun it's very close, about a 5 minute motorbike / taxi ride. I'm not sure exactly how to give directions here but on some of the alleyway buildings, I saw address plates that said "Xin Zhou Nan Lu (new prefecture south road)" so I guess you could say that to a driver or "take me to Xin Zhou Cun. ".
Walking around in the alleys is basically like walking around Xiang Ci, with a dirty, wet, kind of "whatever" attitude that is different / missing in more developed / clean / moneyed cun alleys. Based on my previous experiences, and Aiii2's experiences, I didn't have high hopes, but after walking around for about 5 minutes, my eyes perked up at dozens of mamasans sitting around in the alleyways. Finally! So I asked one to take me to see the girls and she said OK. She walked me to a building, we went up, she opened the door. To an empty apartment (that was cleaner than most BBS short time rooms, BTW). And I asked where are the girls and she seemed confused. So I asked if I would have to wait for them to come for a lineup or one by one. And she still seemed confused. Then it dawned on me. The mamasan was the one who was offering service. Oh, shit! I wasn't sure whether to laugh, to cry, or to actually fuck the mamasan. When I call her mamasan, this comes with all the implications of being older, out of shape, and not attractive in any manner where it even entered my mind that fucking her would be an option in any way. So. Kind of awkward situation, but I basically said I changed my mind and more or less ran out of the building. As I walked around, I looked more carefully and saw that there must have been about 20-25 "mamasans" hanging around in the alleys. Well, there's an cun full of MIWLFs (mothers I wouldn't like fucking). Who knew? Still learning new things about SZ after all these years. I ended up finding one actual hair salon with girls that were obviously not hairdressers and looked exactly like BBS girls, but the male boss seemed so. Evasive. I asked what kind of service the girls gave and he said, "good" and I asked for details and he didn't reply. I asked if they gave full service and he said he would "explain" to me once I was in the room. And I point blank said, "just say yes or no!" and he didn't reply, so I left the place. It didn't matter really because only one of the girls rated a 5, at best, and the rest were 3's. And that was the end of my night in XZC.
Still trying to find other venues and it'd be great to hook up with Aiii2 but I realize that I have no way to send / receive messages. I know I can't post email addresses, but not sure if that includes phone numbers. I've seen other posters openly post addresses and phone numbers of different places, people, and service providers so, I'll post a pic of my mobile number and hope that like-minded brothers who want to meet up and / or exchange info will contact me.
Ironically, again Aiii2 makes a post right before I do. At this point, I expect him to make posts right immediately before or after me every time.
I had a chance to go exploring around the Xin Zhou area recently...What is even more ironically is that I also visited Xinzhou today, but not to find girls though. This area is quite big and has many different villages. I went inside Xinzhou citangcun between Xinzhou 7th road in the north and Citangcun 1st street in the south while I was waiting for my friend. Just like the village you visited it reminded a lots of Xiang xi cun. I have no idea which village you visited but I am guessing you were on the east side. Xinzhou south road goes all the way from the north of Xinzhou 11th street to Xinzhou 6th street in the south. That covers pretty much the whole east.
I would be interested in hooking up and try find new spots together if we can find a way to make contact (I can not send messages either). LOL.
Hi Aiii2,
I guess I cannot post my number (I got assessed an infraction by the moderator / Jackson for trying to do so!) I'm not sure what the problem is, I'm basically trying to meet up with a member so we can explore Shenzhen more and then post more reports. *Anyway, a note to the moderator, I hope that posting details about a meet up are not restricted either (I see restrictions against email addresses, capital letters, links to other sites, and embedded text), I'm not trying to break any rules on purpose. *.
On Sunday, I'll be in Luohu at the 85 degrees cafe in Carianna Square.
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Wow, I got another infraction assessed for posting about meetup details, so for everyone else out there, I guess you have to keep in mind when posting: no phone numbers, no emails, no specific meetup details. So, I guess that's that. And I'll consider buying a subscription or something like that.
Went to Sha Zui / Shang Xia / Xia Xia and walked around through almost every alley, which took several hours because it is a huge area combined. Finally, I found one shop with girls sitting inside a barbershop, like the old days. It is located in an alley way that leads directly to a massage / snooker / KTV building (I think it used to be a Walmart). But after going inside, none of the girls seemed interested and the papasan outside didn't pay any attention to me when I asked him questions about the girls / service / etc. I couldn't understand if it was because they assumed I was undercover police or there was a crackdown or the service was for known customers, so I left. The frustrating thing was that there were about a dozen single or paired girls walking around that looked like BBS type girls ( wearing tight / revealing clothes, short / slim body type) walking around. I followed a single maybe-BBS girl until she went into a KTV (closest to the entrance of Sha Zui with the car roundabout, diagonal to the convenience store) but the girls standing outside behind the podium giggled when I asked about take-out girls. Again, not a denial, just kind of laughing then asking me to go open a room. It seemed like a waste of time to follow through and I didn't want to waste more time by following other maybe-BBS girls. I know other members have posted that they can get service here or have contacts to get service here, but I couldn't find anything, so, I'm going to consider this another area checked off as "no service available (NSA)".
Fast Eddie 48
05-10-15, 23:41
Went to Sha Zui / Shang Xia / Xia Xia and walked around through almost every alley, which took several hours because it is a huge area combined. Finally, I found one shop with girls sitting inside a barbershop, like the old days. It is located in an alley way that leads directly to a massage / snooker / KTV building (I think it used to be a Walmart). But after going inside, none of the girls seemed interested and the papasan outside didn't pay any attention to me when I asked him questions about the girls / service / etc. I couldn't understand if it was because they assumed I was undercover police or there was a crackdown or the service was for known customers, so I left. The frustrating thing was that there were about a dozen single or paired girls walking around that looked like BBS type girls ( wearing tight / revealing clothes, short / slim body type) walking around. I followed a single maybe-BBS girl until she went into a KTV (closest to the entrance of Sha Zui with the car roundabout, diagonal to the convenience store) but the girls standing outside behind the podium giggled when I asked about take-out girls. Again, not a denial, just kind of laughing then asking me to go open a room. It seemed like a waste of time to follow through and I didn't want to waste more time by following other maybe-BBS girls. I know other members have posted that they can get service here or have contacts to get service here, but I couldn't find anything, so, I'm going to consider this another area checked off as "no service available (NSA)".To SZ.
There is many construction in the Village many old condo is coming down for new development, I was there last 3 month ago talk to a few Mommy they told me they will move to Xinzhou village and Longhua town because of heavy crack down there are not many girl most are new and inexperience, it is not worth going there anymore you are just 5 yr too damn late.
Fast eddie 48.
John Smart
05-11-15, 04:10
To SZ.
There is many construction in the Village many old condo is coming down for new development, I was there last 3 month ago talk to a few Mommy they told me they will move to Xinzhou village and Longhua town because of heavy crack down there are not many girl most are new and inexperience, it is not worth going there anymore you are just 5 yr too damn late.
Fast eddie 48.While Crass Eddie makes the occasional useful point, why does each and every one of his comments have to have such a strong tinge of knowitallness?
Just my pov.
Wow, I got another infraction assessed for posting about meetup details, so for everyone else out there, I guess you have to keep in mind when posting: no phone numbers, no emails, no specific meetup details. So, I guess that's that. And I'll consider buying a subscription or something like that.I made a post this Saturday about me going to Xinzhou again and the possibility of meeting up but my post seemed to have disappeared. Also a explanation of why I am afraid of linking my credit card to a online site like this from China but I guess that is against the rules as well. This is not the first time a part of my post just vanished without explanation.
Maybe a upgrade of the rules on this forum would be useful because I really have no idea what I did wrong except for the meet up details which I now know is not OK.
Flew into HKIA on Sunday. Bit slow through Immigration as my partner does not have a Frequent Visitor E-channel pass.
We caught the Tung Chung Novotel Hotel bus as my partner wanted to buy a few things for her parents. We were nearly 2 hours at the CityGate Mall (I waited in the hotel lounge with our luggage and a beer). We were going to catch the cross-border coach from CityGate (at the Dickson's outlet) to Huanggang Guan, but for some reason the ticket office down in the car park was not open, so we had to return to the HKIA to catch a bus. Maybe the Eternal East coach service has been cancelled? Does anyone know?
Waiting for a taxi at Huanggang, I remembered that there used to be a FS sauna straight ahead if one walked through the old taxi platform, across the car park and over the road. And of course there were the many nearby villages that HK sex tourists visited.
Around 2000, this whole area was a sex Disneyland for HKers. Not only Huanggang and the adjacent villages were full of action, but Shatsui and its adjoining villages contained 3000 - 5000 WGs of all shapes and sizes in streetwalkers, BBSs, KTVs and MPs. There were even BBSs which specialised in WGs from specific provinces, girls with big boobs, tall girls, BBBJ specialists etc.
Like the Kowloon Walled City in HK (which was part of mainland China!) was a no go zone for white people, similarly no white person in his right mind would step inside Shatsui village at that time. Roving groups of security guards would threaten and harass any non-Chinese who dared wander inside this piece of Hong Kong (and HKers would regularly disappear or be murdered there). There was no LE presence in the village. I doubt that even the most foolhardy white ISGer mongered there around the turn of the century. It become more relaxed later on, before the excesses were finally reined in (2006?).
I learnt about Shatsui a few years later from a friend who had been a senior HK Police officer. Apparently Shatsui was also a staging post for WGs waiting to be transported across the border into HK.
Anyway, back to Huanggang Guan, my partner and I eventually got a taxi and travelled to Shenzhen Bei as she was returning to her home town for the 3 week period that I would be working in Bantian. I continued to my destination, which was a 4 star hotel in Bantian. There are no 5 star, and very few 4 star hotels in the area, so those who know the sub-district, can probably guess which hotel I chose. This is quite strange as there are some very large corporations such as Foxconn and Huaweii in the area.
After settling in to my room, I decided to forego dinner, and chose to make a selection from the massage menu on the bedside table. I reasoned that I would be extremely busy during my stay, so this would be one of the few chances to relax a bit, even if totally veggie.
I placed a call to the service, but communication was difficult due to my poor Chinese tones. I don't have the same problem face to face. Within 5 minutes a guy (manager?) knocks on my door and we quickly negotiate an oil massage, breast push with HE from a SYT. No FS according to the guy.
A timid knock on the door, and there stood a timid, 40ish lady holding out in her hands a number of bottles of body wash and lotion. At first I thought that she was simply the delivery girl (of the products she was proffering), and that a gorgeous 20yo porcelain doll would arrive behind her! Haha! She was wearing the uniform of the MP and so I invited her inside. She put her bottles down, and indicated to me I should get undressed and shower.
I hopped in the shower, and was totally surprised when I turned around and saw that she was also undressed and she came into the shower with me. She soaped me thoroughly all over, but she did not let me soap her, although we did share drying with the towels. Although 40ish, she had a delightfully trim and taut figure (no stretch marks, CS scars or droopy boobs), which she was shy to fully reveal as she kept trying her best to cover up her body with a hand towel and one or more hands (difficult to achieve when washing my LB! And I appreciated that she did not keep up the usual BS about how big my LB was!
BTW, the bathroom towels were delightfully new, large and fluffy - the kind that Chinese tourists hate because it is so difficult to close their suitcases, when used to cushion and protect the hotel room's hot water jug etc.
She put her uniform back on (sans underwear), laid 2 towels on the bed and commenced to massage my back. It was a pretty good massage, a bit unusual in that at one point she raised my buttocks and slipped her legs under my hips. I almost thought that I was going to receive an AR! When she had me turn over, she removed her uniform. I am not the groping type although I did caress her perky breasts. She gave quite a nice breast massage and at one point my erect LB was in danger of slipping into her meimei. She also used her breasts to massage my LB and ended with quite a nice HJ. She then showered with me in a GFE way.
I am not normally a HE guy, but all in all, a nice way to end a long day and I am pretty sure if I asked for her again, I could get unauthorised FS (and yes I did tip her). Her name was LiLi.
Ikksman.
I have been exploring a lot recently and even though most of the known areas seems dead, there are action to be found if you are willing to put some time into it. My goal is to build relationships with WGs rather than just have a "quickly". I do not feel comfortable in the small dirty rooms that they work in so I prefer a hotel room. Anyway this is my progress of WGs that I chose to build relationships with during my time in SZ. (with hotel rates).
- A beautiful MILF, 38 years old and has a stunning body. Amazing ass, sexy hips, legs to die for but breasts only be cups. Great attitude and a real GFE. Visits me anywhere in SZ for 300 yuan + 50 taxi money) for 2 hours and 2 shots. Anything goes including taking pictures.
- A 22 year old with the most amazing body I ever seen. Real the cups, soft skin, beautiful face and a big nice ass. Her looks is perfect for me. Sessions is probably the best I ever had in SZ, WGs and freebies included. Visits me for 1000, 3-4 hour sessions. If she was older and more mature I probably would have marry her, yes she is that good!
- Another girl with a stunning curvy body, however her attitude can sometimes be annoying. 29 years old and she used to be a outcall girl. Even though her attitude I met her few times simply because of her sexy body. Tried to cheat me the first couple of times but now we have a set rate of 400. Hehe.
There are other girls too but they were just too greedy / poor attitude ones. I am quite happy to have found 2 GFEs and one that's a bit annoying but have a great body. Along with freebies and HK girls that keeps visits me in SZ I feel that I am all set, at least for awhile. Now I kind of enjoying exploring new areas even if there is no action to be found. Since my last report on Buji and Hubei I have been exploring some more areas in Meilin, Longhua, Xinzhou, Huanggang and Shangsha. However due to the heavy rain these days I have not been able to finish it just yet.
I also want to thank Ikksman and SZexpress for useful information and interesting reports. All others in this thread as well. Keep up the good work guys.
Fast Eddie 48
05-12-15, 01:44
While Crass Eddie makes the occasional useful point, why does each and every one of his comments have to have such a strong tinge of knowitallness?
Just my pov.To AH.
You are not very smart if don't have any useful info to post just a dumb ass newbie looking for attention.
Fast eddie 48.
Thanks for the history lesson, I wouldn't mind checking out Shatsui just to check it out, I don't quite recognize the name though in HK. Could it have been a different spelling?
Also, Am I reading this right that you stayed at the Novotel Hotel? This is where you stayed on got the massage?
As always, thanks IKK for the info.
Flew into HKIA on Sunday. Bit slow through Immigration as my partner does not have a Frequent Visitor E-channel pass.
We caught the Tung Chung Novotel Hotel bus as my partner wanted to buy a few things for her parents. We were nearly 2 hours at the CityGate Mall (I waited in the hotel lounge with our luggage and a beer). We were going to catch the cross-border coach from CityGate (at the Dickson's outlet) to Huanggang Guan, but for some reason the ticket office down in the car park was not open, so we had to return to the HKIA to catch a bus. Maybe the Eternal East coach service has been cancelled? Does anyone know?
Waiting for a taxi at Huanggang, I remembered that there used to be a FS sauna straight ahead if one walked through the old taxi platform, across the car park and over the road. And of course there were the many nearby villages that HK sex tourists visited.
Around 2000, this whole area was a sex Disneyland for HKers. Not only Huanggang and the adjacent villages were full of action, but Shatsui and its adjoining villages contained 3000 - 5000 WGs of all shapes and sizes in streetwalkers, BBSs, KTVs and MPs. There were even BBSs which specialised in WGs from specific provinces, girls with big boobs, tall girls, BBBJ specialists etc.
Like the Kowloon Walled City in HK (which was part of mainland China!) was a no go zone for white people, similarly no white person in his right mind would step inside Shatsui village at that time. Roving groups of security guards would threaten and harass any non-Chinese who dared wander inside this piece of Hong Kong (and HKers would regularly disappear or be murdered there). There was no LE presence in the village. I doubt that even the most foolhardy white ISGer mongered there around the turn of the century. It become more relaxed later on, before the excesses were finally reined in (2006?).
I learnt about Shatsui a few years later from a friend who had been a senior HK Police officer. Apparently Shatsui was also a staging post for WGs waiting to be transported across the border into HK.
Anyway, back to Huanggang Guan, my partner and I eventually got a taxi and travelled to Shenzhen Bei as she was returning to her home town for the 3 week period that I would be working in Bantian. I continued to my destination, which was a 4 star hotel in Bantian. There are no 5 star, and very few 4 star hotels in the area, so those who know the sub-district, can probably guess which hotel I chose. This is quite strange as there are some very large corporations such as Foxconn and Huaweii in the area.
After settling in to my room, I decided to forego dinner, and chose to make a selection from the massage menu on the bedside table. I reasoned that I would be extremely busy during my stay, so this would be one of the few chances to relax a bit, even if totally veggie.
I placed a call to the service, but communication was difficult due to my poor Chinese tones. I don't have the same problem face to face. Within 5 minutes a guy (manager?) knocks on my door and we quickly negotiate an oil massage, breast push with HE from a SYT. No FS according to the guy.
A timid knock on the door, and there stood a timid, 40ish lady holding out in her hands a number of bottles of body wash and lotion. At first I thought that she was simply the delivery girl (of the products she was proffering), and that a gorgeous 20yo porcelain doll would arrive behind her! Haha! She was wearing the uniform of the MP and so I invited her inside. She put her bottles down, and indicated to me I should get undressed and shower.
I hopped in the shower, and was totally surprised when I turned around and saw that she was also undressed and she came into the shower with me. She soaped me thoroughly all over, but she did not let me soap her, although we did share drying with the towels. Although 40ish, she had a delightfully trim and taut figure (no stretch marks, CS scars or droopy boobs), which she was shy to fully reveal as she kept trying her best to cover up her body with a hand towel and one or more hands (difficult to achieve when washing my LB! And I appreciated that she did not keep up the usual BS about how big my LB was!
BTW, the bathroom towels were delightfully new, large and fluffy - the kind that Chinese tourists hate because it is so difficult to close their suitcases, when used to cushion and protect the hotel room's hot water jug etc.
She put her uniform back on (sans underwear), laid 2 towels on the bed and commenced to massage my back. It was a pretty good massage, a bit unusual in that at one point she raised my buttocks and slipped her legs under my hips. I almost thought that I was going to receive an AR! When she had me turn over, she removed her uniform. I am not the groping type although I did caress her perky breasts. She gave quite a nice breast massage and at one point my erect LB was in danger of slipping into her meimei. She also used her breasts to massage my LB and ended with quite a nice HJ. She then showered with me in a GFE way.
I am not normally a HE guy, but all in all, a nice way to end a long day and I am pretty sure if I asked for her again, I could get unauthorised FS (and yes I did tip her). Her name was LiLi.
Ikksman.
Fast Eddie 48
05-12-15, 18:37
Thanks for the history lesson, I wouldn't mind checking out Shatsui just to check it out, I don't quite recognize the name though in HK. Could it have been a different spelling?
Also, Am I reading this right that you stayed at the Novotel Hotel? This is where you stayed on got the massage?
As always, thanks IKK for the info.To Dinotrex.
The correct name is Sha Tsui there are many post about this place but not the last 6 yr since the last big crack down in 2006 they close all the bbs down, the first time I go there is 1998 in the hey days many girl walk around the village from bbs to KTV and sauna girl here is young and pretty, Ikk is correct it is a traing ground for girl recuit by Hong Kong pimp to work at the Mong Kok brothel but that is over it is not worth going anymore .
Fast eddie 48.
Thanks for the history lesson, I wouldn't mind checking out Shatsui just to check it out, I don't quite recognize the name though in HK. Could it have been a different spelling?
Also, Am I reading this right that you stayed at the Novotel Hotel? This is where you stayed on got the massage?
As always, thanks IKK for the info.No, I didn't stay at the Novotel in Tung Chung. I stayed at a hotel in Bantian.
Shatsui (as in Tsim sha tsui) is also referred to as Shazui. It is in Futian (I called Shatsui a "piece of Hong Kong" because customers were 100% HKers).
Easiest way to find is to Google "Shazui Road, Futian, Shenzhen". Then use the maps below to orient yourself. Entry to the village either from Shazui Lu or Furong Lu (marked with 'X's), and less than 10 minutes from Huangang Guan). The chachaba map does not show the 3 arches at the entrance from Shazui Lu.
Also nearby are Xiasha & Shangsha villages, and used to be quite interesting (dozens of MP, saunas and KTVs). These villages are 10-15 minutes walk to the west.
Good luck.
{S N I P}Entry to the village either from Shazui Lu or Furong Lu (marked with 'X's), and less than 10 minutes from Huangang Guan). The chachaba map does not show the 3 arches at the entrance from Shazui Lu.{S N I P}Just found an old photo of the 3 arches. Probably still the same.
Note the different characters (also shown on the Google map): 沙嘴 Shāzuǐ and 沙咱 Shātsui. I think 沙咱 is the Cantonese name for the place (similar to how we have Luohu and Lowu).
Ikks
Wow, thanks FE48 and IKK. Especially thanks to FE48 for not ripping me a new one with my silly questions.
To Dinotrex.
The correct name is Sha Tsui there are many post about this place but not the last 6 yr since the last big crack down in 2006 they close all the bbs down, the first time I go there is 1998 in the hey days many girl walk around the village from bbs to KTV and sauna girl here is young and pretty, Ikk is correct it is a traing ground for girl recuit by Hong Kong pimp to work at the Mong Kok brothel but that is over it is not worth going anymore .
Fast eddie 48.
Has any ever heard of ISO Travel? I saw their ads on the classified sections. From what I see, they drive you around to CP or ZH or other hot spots for a fee? Just curious if anyone has tried this service out?
Jude Bright
05-16-15, 19:27
Has any ever heard of ISO Travel? I saw their ads on the classified sections. From what I see, they drive you around to CP or ZH or other hot spots for a fee? Just curious if anyone has tried this service out?Yes, I have used them before (about 4-5 years ago) and they are reliable. You just have to pay for their services.
Jb.
SE Asia Joe
05-18-15, 08:46
Has any ever heard of ISO Travel? I saw their ads on the classified sections. From what I see, they drive you around to CP or ZH or other hot spots for a fee? Just curious if anyone has tried this service out?ISO is a well-known crook "Stealth" agent whose various nicks and clones have been banned repeatedly from a Singapore Board as he's an ethnic Scammer, mostly targeting unsuspecting and good-natured fellow Singaporeans.
He uses a team of accomplices and clones, all pretending (thus the term Stealth) to just be regular members chit chatting, swapping info, looking for company to monger overseas and even quarreling with each other for the specific purpose of leading guys into using their crooked service. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they're practicing the same thing here now as I know they've also tried on a Malaysian board and of course also banned there. God knows where else and by the way, they also use a variety of websites and names including ISO.
Their declared fees are quite reasonable, but it is the huge kick-backs that they get from various places that are disgustingly extortionate. On top of that, they have been known to resort to violence and extortion by encouraging illegal acts like gambling and drugs and of course plain vanilla honey traps.
Watch out.
SEAJ
What language do people speak in Shenzhen? I'm getting mixed information. Would I be able to get away with cantonese? Or is Mandarin more significant? What do the girls speak?
Jude Bright
05-18-15, 17:14
What language do people speak in Shenzhen? I'm getting mixed information. Would I be able to get away with cantonese? Or is Mandarin more significant? What do the girls speak?The local people prefer to cantoness, but Most of them understand Mandarin and can speak Mandarin.
Jb.
Hi,
New paid member and enjoying this very informative site. Aiii2, if you're available to direct message, I would like to discuss this MILF. I believe I may know her and I may be taken advantage of! What a surprise! If you can get back to me and I would appreciate it. Thanks very much.
- A beautiful MILF, 38 years old and has a stunning body. Amazing ass, sexy hips, legs to die for but breasts only be cups. Great attitude and a real GFE. Visits me anywhere in SZ for 300 yuan + 50 taxi money) for 2 hours and 2 shots. Anything goes including taking pictures.
Fast Eddie 48
05-18-15, 19:37
What language do people speak in Shenzhen? I'm getting mixed information. Would I be able to get away with cantonese? Or is Mandarin more significant? What do the girls speak?To.
Thom Katt.
Most speak Mandarin I will said 80 % for working girl is even more than that very few local speak Cantonese most Chinese is from the North move to Shenzhen to find job the last 20 Yr, even for Hong Konger need to learn to speak mandarin 20 yr ago not many people speak mandarin but now everyone need to learn.
Fast eddie 48.
Hi,
New paid member and enjoying this very informative site. Aiii2, if you're available to direct message, I would like to discuss this MILF. I believe I may know her and I may be taken advantage of! What a surprise! If you can get back to me and I would appreciate it. Thanks very much.I do not have the private message function since I am only a regular member, sorry.
Anyway, I think a lots of women in SZ would fit my description to be honest. What makes you think we are talking about the same woman? Where did you meet her? What color is her hair? Where is she from? Give me some details please and regardless of who she is. In what way are you being taken advantage of?
- A beautiful MILF, 38 years old and has a stunning body. Amazing ass, sexy hips, legs to die for but breasts only be cups. Great attitude and a real GFE. Visits me anywhere in SZ for 300 yuan + 50 taxi money) for 2 hours and 2 shots. Anything goes including taking pictures.
Let's see these pics then!
To.
Thom Katt.
Most speak Mandarin I will said 80 % for working girl is even more than that very few local speak Cantonese most Chinese is from the North move to Shenzhen to find job the last 20 Yr, even for Hong Konger need to learn to speak mandarin 20 yr ago not many people speak mandarin but now everyone need to learn.
Fast eddie 48.
The local people prefer to cantoness, but Most of them understand Mandarin and can speak Mandarin.
Jb.This is disappointing. I was hoping to be able to go around the city and haggle with ease. It's in Guang Dong province, they should speak Guang Dong wah! Bordered by Hong Kong!
Is their English better than my mandarin though? I know basic hahaha.
Let's see these pics then!Unfortunally as a regular member I am not allowed to post pictures. Only senior members can post pictures.
This is disappointing. I was hoping to be able to go around the city and haggle with ease. It's in Guang Dong province, they should speak Guang Dong wah! Bordered by Hong Kong!
Is their English better than my mandarin though? I know basic hahaha.There are almost no " local " people in Shenzhen. People all over China go to Shenzhen for a better future. Sichuan, Hunan, Guizhou, Harbin etc. The only ones speaking fluent cantonese are the ones from villages around Guangdong province. Their english is not better than your mandarin I can promise you that. Expect some people to understand a bit of cantonese though (listen), but not very good speaking if they are not from Guangdong.
Guangzhou on the other hand is a diffrent story.
Fast Eddie 48
05-20-15, 01:34
This is disappointing. I was hoping to be able to go around the city and haggle with ease. It's in Guang Dong province, they should speak Guang Dong wah! Bordered by Hong Kong!
Is their English better than my mandarin though? I know basic hahaha.To Thom.
Don't be Naive Shenzhen local most are not born in Shenzhen they are from other Province in the north, they cannot even understand Cantonese do you thing they can understand English go find out yourself.
Fast eddie 48.
Interesting experience with Ms Sauna service at the Indian Restaurant apartments this week. She told me she was leaving to Malaysia to try to earn more money and so gave me extra good, extra long service her last day and we said we would keep in touch. She even asked me about going to the US to earn money and I said it wasn't really worth the trouble, risk, cost.
I've started going to a bunch of massage places to see what kind of service is available and I have to say especially in the Luohu area, handjob is directly available, but that's about it. Breast massage, sucking on tits, and fingering a masseuse are nice, too, but only really change the designation in my mind from "HJ" to "HJ with roaming" which is not much different. The famous "HK massage" place next to Lushan Hotel is now closed down, which sucks because that place had the youngest, best looking girls and years ago, I easily was offered HJ and BJ service there and I know that FS was offered to select customers. These past days, I went to the massage place next to the Chili Crab restaurant across the street from Lushan Hotel, the massage place above the Sun Fat restaurant next to the McDonalds on Chun Feng Road, the massage place directly across the street from Queen Spa, the massage place above the small Indian restuarant across the street from King Glory Plaza, and the downstairs massage place directly across the street from the Kaili Hotel.
Unfortunately, nothing of note. All places offer HJ massage, calling it "Japanese / Korean / Hong Kong / Special" style massage, depending on the place. Masseuses ranged from young and plain to old and plain, with the occasional semi-hot girl. None of the places give you a lineup to choose from and I realized the most efficient way is to go directly into the room where all the masseuses are sitting and waiting for customers. Not all the places allow this, but if you push them and let them know you'll be able to choose a girl faster, they usually accommodate the request. The place across from the King Glory and Kaili Hotel allowed a direct viewing of all the masseuses, and I didn't try at the others. Overall, I thought the girls at the place across from Kaili were the best, but for HJ massages, I value looks less than if it were for FS. Prices ranged from 198 all-included (which means no additional tip) to 268 all-included, and interestingly enough, I noticed correlation with nicer rooms / facilities to higher price but not quality of girls. As a result of the vice crackdown, in-room showers are no longer allowed, all doors had some kind of clear window, and the locks had been removed; all supposedly to keep things legit and not allow FS, but none of the girls gave the window or locks a second look when giving HJ service. I asked for BJ and FS service directly from the girls at every location but every girl claimed that kind of service wasn't available (or not available anymore).
Kind of disappointing, so if anyone knows for certain of BJ or FS massage places in SZ, let's share what we know.
And epilogue to the Ms Sauna Service: she called me via wechat (yesterday and had me help her arrange tickets to come back to Shenzhen because she thought the whole experience was terrible and that she had been tricked about job prospects. In one way, I feel sorry she went through this all, on the other hand, new opportunities for more of her awesome service!
Kind of disappointing, so if anyone knows for certain of BJ or FS massage places in SZ, let's share what we know.I think that you are the one around here with the most up to date info though. Seems like previous hotspots are all mostly shut down. I was talking to a taxi driver and he said that nowadays there are not much action going on but he told me there are still action around Huanggang, but very low key. I do not know if the info is correct or not.
About Shazui, there are still girls there but you won't find them. They act more like lovers rather than WGs but in the end all they want is money, and you get sex if you are willing to pay. I had one visiting my hotel the first time ever meet in real life. No money was mentioned. She stayed 3-4 hours and all we did was kissing and hugging. I thought she liked me for real. Haha. Anyway before the next meet she asked for money. If I did not pay her she refused to come and see me. I do not know why but I kind of got annoyed (I do not have a problem paying a WG, but this really annoyed me for some reason). So we started to argue instead and she deleted me. LOL.
I think If looked at her as a normal girl, that is why I got annoyed when she asked for money. It felt really shady. If I had looked at her as a working girl then I am sure I would not get annoyed. Since this I found another one from Shazui, I will look at her as a WG and see what happens.
I think that you are the one around here with the most up to date info though. Seems like previous hotspots are all mostly shut down. I was talking to a taxi driver and he said that nowadays there are not much action going on but he told me there are still action around Huanggang, but very low key. I do not know if the info is correct or not.
About Shazui, there are still girls there but you won't find them. They act more like lovers rather than WGs but in the end all they want is money, and you get sex if you are willing to pay. I had one visiting my hotel the first time ever meet in real life. No money was mentioned. She stayed 3-4 hours and all we did was kissing and hugging. I thought she liked me for real. Haha. Anyway before the next meet she asked for money. If I did not pay her she refused to come and see me. I do not know why but I kind of got annoyed (I do not have a problem paying a WG, but this really annoyed me for some reason). So we started to argue instead and she deleted me. LOL.
I think If looked at her as a normal girl, that is why I got annoyed when she asked for money. It felt really shady. If I had looked at her as a working girl then I am sure I would not get annoyed. Since this I found another one from Shazui, I will look at her as a WG and see what happens.Aiii2,
Thank you for keeping us up to date with Shen Zhen. I was planning on coming this November. But after hearing about how it is still dead here. I will instead visit other parts of Asia. This really is what this forum is all about. It really is a shame about Shen Zhen and the crackdown. I only hope when Chinas government changes leaders this place will go back to normal.
I think that you are the one around here with the most up to date info though. Seems like previous hotspots are all mostly shut down. I was talking to a taxi driver and he said that nowadays there are not much action going on but he told me there are still action around Huanggang, but very low key. I do not know if the info is correct or not.
About Shazui, there are still girls there but you won't find them. They act more like lovers rather than WGs but in the end all they want is money, and you get sex if you are willing to pay. I had one visiting my hotel the first time ever meet in real life. No money was mentioned. She stayed 3-4 hours and all we did was kissing and hugging. I thought she liked me for real. Haha. Anyway before the next meet she asked for money. If I did not pay her she refused to come and see me. I do not know why but I kind of got annoyed (I do not have a problem paying a WG, but this really annoyed me for some reason). So we started to argue instead and she deleted me. LOL.
I think If looked at her as a normal girl, that is why I got annoyed when she asked for money. It felt really shady. If I had looked at her as a working girl then I am sure I would not get annoyed. Since this I found another one from Shazui, I will look at her as a WG and see what happens.Could you elaborate on your experiences at Shazui and how you found the girl? How much money did she later ask from you?
I have never been to Shazui, where is it?
Aiii2,
Thank you for keeping us up to date with Shen Zhen. I was planning on coming this November. But after hearing about how it is still dead here. I will instead visit other parts of Asia. This really is what this forum is all about. It really is a shame about Shen Zhen and the crackdown. I only hope when Chinas government changes leaders this place will go back to normal.I was not in Shenzhen during the good old days so I do not have anything to compare with but I am guessing there are much better alternatives. Finding girls in Shenzhen can be quite time consuming if you do not know exactly where to look. I think that it will never get back to those days, I guess time has moved on.
Could you elaborate on your experiences at Shazui and how you found the girl? How much money did she later ask from you?
I have never been to Shazui, where is it?I found the girl through a introduction. This person seems to know girls around that area (I am guessing former WGs, the way they dress, make up etc). She never asked for a specific amount, she let me decide but since I refused I have no idea which amount she would have accepted. The other girl that I am still talking to is acting pretty similar to the first one, but I did not meet her yet.
Shazui is in southern Futian district and if you search the forum can find good directions on where to find it.
Bob Builder
05-29-15, 04:02
Could you elaborate on your experiences at Shazui and how you found the girl? How much money did she later ask from you?
I have never been to Shazui, where is it?Forget about it. It is a place that used to have thousands of WGs long ago in the past and has never made a recovery after the authorities shut it down years ago. Old timers here go there in the hope that one day they will arrive and it has reverted to its past glory.
There are a few BBS around like any village in Shenzhen but I wouldn't waste the taxi fare to get there.
As for the girl, if she asks how much, make here an offer and see what she counters with. Its negotiation. Why get offended? If she asks for money she is not an ex-WG, SHE IS A WG!
Forget about it. It is a place that used to have thousands of WGs long ago in the past and has never made a recovery after the authorities shut it down years ago. Old timers here go there in the hope that one day they will arrive and it has reverted to its past glory.I totally agree. I don't know where you are now, but there have been big changes in the area since 10 years ago when you, OAH and others were active in this area. Xiasha & Shangsha villages are currently undergoing urban renewal including the newly completed KingKey project on Binhe Road. And in Shazui many buildings are being refurbished. You would barely recognise both sides of Shazui Road.
And yes, these places never recover to their former glory. They remain pitiful shadows of their former glory. Shenzhen and Zhuhai are prime examples.
BTW the Shenzhen crackdown appears to now extend to the outlying districts of Shenzhen. Previously the crackdown had concentrated on Luohu and Futian. Two weeks (May 14) ago, there was a raid on a hotel KTV in Shawan, Longgang district. It was highly publicised with the media in attendance during the raid (see photo below).
There are a few BBS around like any village in Shenzhen but I wouldn't waste the taxi fare to get there.Again, I agree. Most villages have some action, although many of the BBSs are for locals only - foreigners are not welcome! And Xiangxi village is being raided a number of times every week.
Ikks
Bob Builder
06-02-15, 03:10
I totally agree. I don't know where you are now, but there have been big changes in the area since 10 years ago when you, OAH and others were active in this area. Xiasha & Shangsha villages are currently undergoing urban renewal including the newly completed KingKey project on Binhe Road. And in Shazui many buildings are being refurbished. You would barely recognise both sides of Shazui Road.
And yes, these places never recover to their former glory. They remain pitiful shadows of their former glory. Shenzhen and Zhuhai are prime examples.
BTW the Shenzhen crackdown appears to now extend to the outlying districts of Shenzhen. Previously the crackdown had concentrated on Luohu and Futian. Two weeks (May 14) ago, there was a raid on a hotel KTV in Shawan, Longgang district. It was highly publicised with the media in attendance during the raid (see photo below).
Again, I agree. Most villages have some action, although many of the BBSs are for locals only - foreigners are not welcome! And Xiangxi village is being raided a number of times every week.
IkksI live in Shenzhen. People that go to Shazui are the ones that go back to Chang Ping, hoping that miraculously things have gone back in time.
As for the raid in Shawan the reason for the publicity was the partygoers arrested were a group Hong Kong ex-policemen. Why is it that everytime that a place gets raided, people scream "crackdown" here on this website. Prostitution is illegal 365 days a year in China. I had a party in Shawan a few months back and one guy got arrested going back to the girl's house. He was detained a few hours, got fined rmb20,000 which the KTV paid and let go. I didn't hear of any crackdown going on then.
RolandzRoll
06-08-15, 15:40
Hi guys,
It will be my first time in SZ. I am going to stay in Huaqiang Plaza Hotel.
I don't want to make street deals. How can I find trusted websites or escort services in SZ?
Any advices?
{S N I P}Why is it that everytime that a place gets raided, people scream "crackdown" here on this website. Prostitution is illegal 365 days a year in China.{S N I P}When I have used the term 'crackdown' in recent posts, I refer to the 'great yanda' on prostitution and gambling, which commenced CNY 2014, and continues to this day. It is a major component of Xi Jinping's anti-corruption campaign which has as its primary objective, the elimination of his political opponents and their power bases.
A secondary objective of the campaign is to increase the popular standing of the government and improve stability (a huge issue). However, this has backfired as the public has become increasingly angry reading about the extent of the looting of public assets and the tigers' stashes of billions in gold, cash, properties and mistresses.
I suspect that this campaign 'backfire' may shortly improve the opportunities for our hobby. Fewer tigers and their flies will be taken down and the number of major prostitution raids will decrease. This will initially occur in places like Guangdong where the dominant high level Jiang Zemin/Zhou Yongkang supporters have already been removed.
But another possibility is increased media censorship of both the anti-corruption campaign and corruption itself. The government's censorship manoeuvres will adversely affect mongers in China.
Just my opinion!
Ikks
When I have used the term 'crackdown' in recent posts, I refer to the 'great yanda' on prostitution and gambling, which commenced CNY 2014, and continues to this day. It is a major component of Xi Jinping's anti-corruption campaign which has as its primary objective, the elimination of his political opponents and their power bases.
A secondary objective of the campaign is to increase the popular standing of the government and improve stability (a huge issue). However, this has backfired as the public has become increasingly angry reading about the extent of the looting of public assets and the tigers' stashes of billions in gold, cash, properties and mistresses.
I suspect that this campaign 'backfire' may shortly improve the opportunities for our hobby. Fewer tigers and their flies will be taken down and the number of major prostitution raids will decrease. This will initially occur in places like Guangdong where the dominant high level Jiang Zemin/Zhou Yongkang supporters have already been removed.
But another possibility is increased media censorship of both the anti-corruption campaign and corruption itself. The government's censorship manoeuvres will adversely affect mongers in China.
Just my opinion!
IkksJust some thoughts: A Korean friend has told me that a "go slow" movement has been passed along, and the goal is to gradually reduce the number of obvious KTV's, Saunas, etc. It seems it has dawned on some of the politicos that the economic impact of huge closings of money making establishments, (taxes, salary's, business entertainment venues, etc), has a negative result on the economy. DUUUH!
Alternatively, as long as the media can get their name in the headlines by sneaking in cameras and making a report of illicit activities, it will continue to have a negative impact. When the raids cease to be headlines and the attention shifts to something else (the hot topic of the day, whatever), then activity will begin to return to normal.
In the meantime, and because I am a bit paranoid, the less reporting on this or any other forum, of open places, prices, directions, activities, etc, etc;, the better.
The wide open activity in CP, CA, and the detailed reporting that was going on, I am sure must have contributed to the intensity of the crackdown, at least in that area.
Oh well, here's hoping that things improve before I am really too old to enjoy them!!
Bob Builder
06-09-15, 17:04
Just some thoughts: A Korean friend has told me that a "go slow" movement has been passed along, and the goal is to gradually reduce the number of obvious KTV's, Saunas, etc. It seems it has dawned on some of the politicos that the economic impact of huge closings of money making establishments, (taxes, salary's, business entertainment venues, etc), has a negative result on the economy. DUUUH!
Alternatively, as long as the media can get their name in the headlines by sneaking in cameras and making a report of illicit activities, it will continue to have a negative impact. When the raids cease to be headlines and the attention shifts to something else (the hot topic of the day, whatever), then activity will begin to return to normal.
In the meantime, and because I am a bit paranoid, the less reporting on this or any other forum, of open places, prices, directions, activities, etc, etc;, the better.
The wide open activity in CP, CA, and the detailed reporting that was going on, I am sure must have contributed to the intensity of the crackdown, at least in that area.
Oh well, here's hoping that things improve before I am really too old to enjoy them!!I don't think the loss of income is at the forefront of their minds when they are cracking down on corruption. Its not doing the owner of many of the CP "entertainment venues" who is very publically being prosecuted.
Found a massage place that was located in a Luohu area hotel. I did not go there for massage but I just had to find out what type of place it was. 90 minute massage for 300 and FS for 1500 (selected customers only, BS or not who knows.) Anyway I did not try and I probably never will for that price.
NorthSouth
06-19-15, 12:00
1500 rmb for FS in a massage joint? For that you can get a session in an upscale sauna in Shanghai. Now this is the impression from my short exposures to Shenzhen, but I found the girls I had seen on the streets in Shanghai are much more fashionable, taller and prettier than the girls I'd seen in Shenzhen. And a good number of WGs in Shanghai are gorgeous. I have not partaken in mongering in Shenzhen because I still have not located any lead as to where to go, so my impression may be erroneous, but I am hard pressed to say there are many girls (in theory) I'd seen in Shenzhen whom I would shell out 1500 rmb for a short time FS. I think Shanghai is a monger's paradise.
1500 rmb for FS in a massage joint?Correct. I do not have much experience with massage / sauna, my first visit actually but I thought it sounded very expensive. I can mention that this place was not flashy at all. Think Chinese 2 or 3 star hotel and you get the feeling. I can agree with the looks on SZ WGs, to me 70% are below average on looks but that might be because I did not visit any KTV yet.
1500 rmb for FS in a massage joint? For that you can get a session in an upscale sauna in Shanghai. Now this is the impression from my short exposures to Shenzhen, but I found the girls I had seen on the streets in Shanghai are much more fashionable, taller and prettier than the girls I'd seen in Shenzhen. And a good number of WGs in Shanghai are gorgeous. I have not partaken in mongering in Shenzhen because I still have not located any lead as to where to go, so my impression may be erroneous, but I am hard pressed to say there are many girls (in theory) I'd seen in Shenzhen whom I would shell out 1500 rmb for a short time FS. I think Shanghai is a monger's paradise.Did you know that Shanghai was only the major city that largely escaped the great Yanda of CNY 2014 (until now)? So P4P comparisons with other cities are not on even playing fields.
We know North China girls are taller and better able to pull a bus out of a snowbank than the more dainty, gentle Chinese courtesans of the South, who of course have less princess syndrome than the "Do you have a house? Do you have a car" Northerners. But, as always, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbiIu_EzuWk
(If you are in China, you will need a VPN to watch Youtube).
Ikks
NorthSouth
06-20-15, 07:39
Ikksman,
I understand price is dependent on supply and demand, and it is not surprising that prices for mongering went way up after the crackdown, when there is even more occupational hazard. But I found other than house prices, things appear to be a little more expensive in Shenzhen than Shanghai. I do not know if others find the same thing. Maybe it is because Shenzhen is the latest boom town, and also the prices reflect the level of nearby Hong Kong.
I did say I had not been Shenzhen long enough or often enough to have a really fair basis for comparing Shenzhen girls to Shanghai girls.
Still around? I got a subscription now so I can send private messages. Let me know if you interested in meeting up.
NorthSouth
06-22-15, 07:23
As far as the Shanghai Princess Syndrome, I don't think the sauna girls I was with gave a rip about whether I own a house and a car, they only cared that I had enough money to pay the session fare. They treated me well enough in my sauna pajama and not the Armani spring collection left in the change room locker.
Captain Solo
06-28-15, 17:02
Have not heard from my bro Launch Now a while. Wonder if he is having a good time in China. Last I heard he was dating some young sales girls in ShenZhen with lots of tattoos. As far as I know, Chinese girls are very clean and conservative, rarely would they sport tattoos. Those with tattoos are usually hoes for Triads or Yakuzas, the equivalent of bikers' hoes in America.
I am scheduled for a tour of Asia in the Fall. Will spend a few days in ShenZhen, may be ChongPing, catching up with old friends.
Post some news how you are and how to get your sexy fun. PM or email me how to get hold of you.
Have not heard from my bro Launch Now a while. Wonder if he is having a good time in China. Last I heard he was dating some young sales girls in ShenZhen with lots of tattoos. As far as I know, Chinese girls are very clean and conservative, rarely would they sport tattoos. Those with tattoos are usually hoes for Triads or Yakuzas, the equivalent of bikers' hoes in America.
I am scheduled for a tour of Asia in the Fall. Will spend a few days in ShenZhen, may be ChongPing, catching up with old friends.
Post some news how you are and how to get your sexy fun. PM or email me how to get hold of you.I wonder why you just don't send him a PM?
I thought 'Captain Solo' was a earlier incarnation of OWL!?!?
Ikks
P.S. I did not know that Yakuza were entrenched in China to any significant extent.
Fast Eddie 48
06-29-15, 23:44
I wonder why you just don't send him a PM?
I thought 'Captain Solo' was a earlier incarnation of OWL!?!?
Ikks
P.S. I did not know that Yakuza were entrenched in China to any significant extent.To Ikksman.
Good old OWL very interesting guy meet a few time back in 2006 in SZ and CP I guess he have not been China for a long long time don't know the latest, he is having too much fun in Tijuana Mexico at the Hong Kong club.
Fast eddie 48.
OldAsiaHand
06-30-15, 19:59
I wonder why you just don't send him a PM?
I thought 'Captain Solo' was a earlier incarnation of OWL!?!?
Ikks
P.S. I did not know that Yakuza were entrenched in China to any significant extent.Ikks,
Are you trying to provoke me?))) I gave up with this guy. He just turns on me and attacks every time I try to help him to remember the facts.
I tried to help him to understand China and the women a few times, even went out of my way, to meet him and introduce him to some of the legends on this forum in Zhuhai, the first time he came to China. I think it was in 2001.
So, far now, I will let dead dogs lie.
Just my POV.
OAH.
Ikks,
Are you trying to provoke me?))) I gave up with this guy. He just turns on me and attacks every time I try to help him to remember the facts.
I tried to help him to understand China and the women a few times, even went out of my way, to meet him and introduce him to some of the legends on this forum in Zhuhai, the first time he came to China. I think it was in 2001.
So, far now, I will let dead dogs lie.
Just my POV.
OAH.Haha! Not really, but I had you in mind when I wrote the heading! Haha! I wrote the post before I checked Captain Solo's recent posts which are mostly in the Tijuana forum, so it is a reasonable assumption that he is in fact OWL.
But I think your words may indeed provoke OWL / Captain Solo! :-) :-)
Ikks
P.S. For those wondering who the fcuk is 'OWL', he is 'One Wing Low' who even has his own forums in various places (for various reasons).
Any chance us kids can get a back story as to the history of what the issue is with One Wing Low and you veterans?
Haha! Not really, but I had you in mind when I wrote the heading! Haha! I wrote the post before I checked Captain Solo's recent posts which are mostly in the Tijuana forum, so it is a reasonable assumption that he is in fact OWL.
But I think your words may indeed provoke OWL / Captain Solo! :-) :-)
Ikks
P.S. For those wondering who the fcuk is 'OWL', he is 'One Wing Low' who even has his own forums in various places (for various reasons).
Fast Eddie 48
07-02-15, 19:13
Any chance us kids can get a back story as to the history of what the issue is with One Wing Low and you veterans?To Dinotrex.
You need to know then you need to RTFF go search yourself back 8 yr it is a long story.
Fast eddie 48.
Captain Solo
07-02-15, 19:33
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The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange if information between men on the subject of finding women for sex. Let's stick to the subject.
How about a sitrep?
Last Sunday night I was feeling a little frisky, so I decided to visit LoHu. First stopped by LoHu cun. It was totally dead. Not a single tout approached me. Than I tried the Indian restaurant apartments. I must have found the wrong mama, since after waiting and calling she brought me to a flat with two dudes and one girl. This didn't feel right so I left. I was really hoping for the sauna experience written by SZExpress.
I decided to try XiangXi cun. To my surprise and delight it was quite active. Walked in from the south and rounded the corner. In every alley, you could see around 2 to 6 ladies only one layer in.
I found one with particularly large cans and went for it. Nothing special, just what you expect from a quickie like this. Damage was 200.
I asked the lady if she is worried about the LE. She said they finish work around 11, so after this no problem I arrived there around 1 AM.
Anyway, I don't think I will make a habit going there. But it was a relief!
KK
How about a sitrep?
Last Sunday night I was feeling a little frisky, so I decided to visit LoHu. First stopped by LoHu cun. It was totally dead. Not a single tout approached me. Than I tried the Indian restaurant apartments. I must have found the wrong mama, since after waiting and calling she brought me to a flat with two dudes and one girl. This didn't feel right so I left. I was really hoping for the sauna experience written by SZExpress.
KKIs the Indian Restaurant Apartment building one of the block of 4 or 5 apartment buildings that stretches the whole block of Chunfeng Lu, directly opposite the Century Plaza Hotel? I think that its name is Luohu Mansions.
If I am correct about the building, then most mamasans are behind the building at the Jianshe Lu end of the apartments. Not on Renmin S Lu.
Kit
How about a sitrep?
Last Sunday night I was feeling a little frisky, so I decided to visit LoHu. First stopped by LoHu cun. It was totally dead. Not a single tout approached me. Than I tried the Indian restaurant apartments. I must have found the wrong mama, since after waiting and calling she brought me to a flat with two dudes and one girl. This didn't feel right so I left. I was really hoping for the sauna experience written by SZExpress.
I decided to try XiangXi cun. To my surprise and delight it was quite active. Walked in from the south and rounded the corner. In every alley, you could see around 2 to 6 ladies only one layer in.
I found one with particularly large cans and went for it. Nothing special, just what you expect from a quickie like this. Damage was 200.
I asked the lady if she is worried about the LE. She said they finish work around 11, so after this no problem I arrived there around 1 AM.
Anyway, I don't think I will make a habit going there. But it was a relief!
KKGood review, I don't think I got to explore Xiangxi cun before. It is unreal Luohu is dead now. I don't know about Xiangxi cun. But, I don't know how safe it would be to walk down China alleys after 11 pm.
Thanks for posting!
Is the Indian Restaurant Apartment building one of the block of 4 or 5 apartment buildings that stretches the whole block of Chunfeng Lu, directly opposite the Century Plaza Hotel? I think that its name is Luohu Mansions.
If I am correct about the building, then most mamasans are behind the building at the Jianshe Lu end of the apartments. Not on Renmin S Lu.
KitThe Taj Indian restaurant is at the back of the Lianhua building - which also houses the shitty Guomao Home Inn. The entrance to the area is across Renmin S Road from the 85 Dù Café in Carrianna Square (as Szexpress described).
SZexpress nicknamed the building that faces the Taj restaurant as the 'Indian restaurant building'. So I agree that the 'Indian restaurant building' is in fact Luohu Mansions (罗湖大厦), which was nicknamed the 'Blue Apartments' by ISG posters some years ago
But I think that SZexpress's otherwise excellent description may potentially confuse first time visitors. This is because (I hope my memory is correct), there is also an Indian restaurant in Luohu Mansions. The restaurant is on Chunfeng Road opposite the Century Plaza amongst the many massage shops, and close to Renmin S Road.
The entrances to Luohu Mansions are from the open areas and car park behind the buildings. And you are correct that most mamasans are on Jianshe Road and in the western end of the open area behind the buildings. You must have been reading my earlier 20 year old posts. Haha!
Ikks
A month or so ago I wrote a lengthy PM to an apparently sincere member. He wanted to know how he could get to bang some SYTs when on a business trip to SZ in September. Maybe he regarded the info as useless. I am not offended if that is the case, but he has not thus far thanked me for my efforts (yes I am talking about you DT).
So I thought it might be worthwhile repeating the PM here, and maybe someone else may find the info useful and my efforts will not be wasted!
SZ is really in the grip of a major crackdown. I have just spent 3 weeks in SZ, but was very busy working so did not do much exploring. And even Danshui (the so-called new ChangPing), has been having its share of raids recently.
Firstly, Perthden Hotel services were shut down about 3 - 4 weeks ago. Completely shut down!!!! There were posts about it on the 'Sam#yb#y forum. I think that it was in the 'Shenzhen Info Needed' thread.
If I was travelling to SZ for a business trip, and I was not familiar with the locality, I would:
(1) If you cannot speak Chinese, then prior to your trip:
(i) Learn the hand signs for the numbers 1 through 10 (and learn the differences between the general Chinese and the Guandong versions)
(ii) Learn how to count in Chinese - relatively simple and useful for negotiating prices. If not enough time, then remember to use your phone to communicate.
(iii) Collect a few basic phrases which you think will be useful in requesting specific services such as BBBJ etc. Check the Chinese Words and Phrases thread on this forum. Print in Mandarin, pinyin and English on business card sized paper and keep in your wallet.
(iv) Do the same thing for places/hotels that you might need to travel to by taxi. Many taxi drivers do not know the English names for even major hotels, as the Chinese names sound, or actually are, totally different to the English names (alternatively, get the hotel concierge or reception to write on the back of a business card for you after you arrive).
(2) Use the hotel's massage service and ask for special services with a girl who has worked there for a long time. May help, but don't assume FS. Ask the girl for FS, either immediately or out of hours. If no luck, ask the girl if she has friends who would like to meet you (and provide FS). If you are in a hotel which used to have FS sauna and massage, then success would be virtually assured as long as you have a good relationship with the girl.
(3) Sign up to a new Wechat account using an attractive photo and message (mine is simply "life is an adventure"). I even have a few photos in my album. Use an app such as FakeGPS to locate yourself in a likely area in SZ. One week before you arrive, do some searches for "People nearby" and chat with some 'possibles'. You will likely by buzzed by some local WGs. Send one message to any 'possibles' and then when you get to SZ, contact them again. Repeat the process when you arrive in SZ (and still use the FakeGPS app). This works, but you will not get the girl in the photo, and the price is expensive. I used to use this process to get part-time girls (I had a complete methodology to identify and negotiate with the PT girls). Others report that this is more difficult these days because of censorship by the Wechat service provider.
(4) Join ChinaLoveCupid and DateInAsia (CLC is a paid membership site but IMO the best and not expensive). Use good photos (not necessarily of yourself) and pitch a good story. Do not state that you are looking for a wife!
Then 3-4 weeks before departure start, make your account visible and start contacting the SYTs of the preferred age bracket and location. And of course you will receive many messages. For your CLC searches, do not specify that you are looking for marriage (maybe even state that you are married) and specify 100 (or even 250) km range from SZ. I have had girls willing to travel to meet me as long as I paid the girls train/bus fare. And meet the girl at the train/bus terminus! And it is easy to travel to Guangzhou, Dongguan or similar by high speed train to meet girls if you have found a red hot SYT there.
Chat with the girl initially via the dating site. Have a couple of standard templates prepared to save time. Again, do not mention marriage, but stress that you a businessman on a visit to SZ, are looking for romance and gently hint that you are generous. And state whether or not you can speak any Mandarin. Quite a few girls will disappear at this stage, but because you have so many contacts, more than enough remain and these are potential keepers. And don't ignore the married ladies and MILFs. Chat with the remaining girls via Wechat. You can be a bit more open now about your requirements, but as always be polite and apologise if the girl is offended (that is, goes silent).
BTW, many here state that you must court the girls for days before you get to bang them. This has not been my experience! I have found that by sweet talking and finding some reason to invite them to your hotel room, you are 99% home! the few that refuse to go to your hotel on the first date, drop them and move on quickly, unless you are totally enamoured of her.
Sometimes it is difficult to get your (big) head around the fact that the population of the Pearl River Delta (100km radius from SZ) is more than 50 million, many of whom are SYTs who have migrated to the area for the job opportunities and are therefore opportunities for you (of course a very small percentage, but still a very large absolute number).
If you are especially interested in freebies then I wrote a post documenting my ideas about picking up freebies in SZ. The link is here:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1627-China-Women-Opinions-and-Advice&p=1559762&viewfull=1#post1559762
(5) If you have time, take a trip to Changping and stay at the Mayflower hotel. At the present time, they have room service for sauna girls.
(6) Lastly, if you really have blue balls you can use the outcall/escort services advertised on various sites such as 'classifieds.chinadaily.com' (or just google Shenzhen escort massage) - expensive!? Or, it is only a short trip to HK for the 141 walk ups or even Temple St (bus from Huanggang to Mongkok/Prince Edward is fast and cheap (in off peak hours).
I hope this gives you some ideas. I am sure that if I sat down and thought about it, I could double the length of this PM and still barely scratch the surface of the possibilities.
Ikks
P.S. A tip that you may or may not already know:
Never follow a tout or a mamsan to somewhere that you do not know. The exception would be following mamasans at Luohu, Xiangxi or Hubeixin villages. And of course the Shagri-la apartments (not recommended).
Ikksman
A month or so ago I wrote a lengthy PM to an apparently sincere member. He wanted to know how he could get to bang some SYTs when on a business trip to SZ in September. Maybe he regarded the info as useless. I am not offended if that is the case, but he has not thus far thanked me for my efforts (yes I am talking about you DT).
So I thought it might be worthwhile repeating the PM here, and maybe someone else may find the info useful and my efforts will not be wasted!
IkksmanThanks Ikksman. Great summary (basically RTFF in one post).
One question re: whether Danshui / CP is worth visiting. How does the quality compare to say HK 141 or Macau saunas? If it's similar, is the main draw that it's significantly less expensive at the same quality? I assume service would be similar to Macau saunas. (I know 141's won't have the service, but there are some cute girls there).
Apologies Ikk, thanks for all your PM's and information on the board. Didn't mean to irk you. I was going to post my reports along with my thanks to you as the credits were rolling.
A month or so ago I wrote a lengthy PM to an apparently sincere member. He wanted to know how he could get to bang some SYTs when on a business trip to SZ in September. Maybe he regarded the info as useless. I am not offended if that is the case, but he has not thus far thanked me for my efforts (yes I am talking about you DT).
Firstly, Perthden Hotel services were shut down about 3 - 4 weeks ago. Completely shut down!!!! IkksmanIt's been a couple of years since I was in SZ, I used to like to stop by Perthden for a 268 RMB "Special Massage" on Saturdays before heading out to McCawley's and Club Viva. Why how times have changed.
NorthSouth
07-12-15, 16:23
Ran into a girl in a Shanghai sauna. Lo and behold, she was from Shenzhen and supposedly she works there in a regular job and comes to Shanghai a few days a month to supplement her income. (She showed me a video of her flight from that day up to SHA on her cell phone.) I thought: wow, finally a lead for SZ. But her service was a little disappointing, with too many restrictions, so I did not ask for contact information afterwards (plus she might not ply her side job there anyway.) So SZ is still a dry hole for me more or less, other than what information I can gleam from your posts.
Have walked past them hundreds of times, and have read and hear horror stories, which street mommies are safe?
Been seeing lots of Ex-sauna mommies advertizing girls on their WeCh__ with some crazy prices. 1100,1200, even 2000. ARE THEY NUTS? Anyone here partake at this kind of price? This is simply nuts! One can do better in HK at almost half the price. (take into account of HK to RMB exchange rate).
IMO, see-Gov started the crackdown, and these people killed the market. Before the crackdown, friends up-north used to find reasons for coming down for visit, now they are saying the prices / quality are actually much better then the south. This is just nuts.
CC.
To supplement my previous posts, other monger on another site has also expressed outrage on the current pricing some of the EX-Sauna mommies are posting. But there are signs of change.
There are number of places around LW that are offering BBJCIM service for under $300, that's with a use of facility and drinks. Girls generally are not bad, and many with killer-bod, one place have few girls that are so in demand that you have to book days in advance even though they work 12 hour shifts. Not sure if its a good idea to post name of the places or should this be a private PM thing?.
There are number of WeCh__ mommies now advertise 5, 6, 7 pricing, much more inline. Quality are same as the 12 18 but much more inline with reality.
Looking little better.
CC.
There are number of places around LW that are offering BBJCIM service for under $300,
CC.I really hope that is 300 RMB not USD.
Froggie
I really hope that is 300 RMB not USD.
FroggieYes, to clarify, all value are in RMB, makes no sense to post USD price.
CC.
Jim Traveller
07-19-15, 15:59
Any one game for a venture to the mayflower and other KTVs in CP, Danshui and Huizhou together? Please PM me with your contact info. I am around until July 30.
(5) If you have time, take a trip to Changping and stay at the Mayflower hotel. At the present time, they have room service for sauna girls.
Ikksman
Has any ever heard of ISO Travel? I saw their ads on the classified sections. From what I see, they drive you around to CP or ZH or other hot spots for a fee? Just curious if anyone has tried this service out?Let me know how that goes! I'm planning a trip to CP this winter and am looking for a good guide / service that can accommodate a party of 6-8 people.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
I haven't had the pleasure yet to try them out, but from the responses I've seen, they're reliable. I'll be there in early September and will review if I partake.
Let me know how that goes! I'm planning a trip to CP this winter and am looking for a good guide / service that can accommodate a party of 6-8 people.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
JosephBrown
08-08-15, 01:24
Hello guys,
First of all. You make a very nice work here. Really appreciate.
I am going to be in Shenzhen in 4 days, and I am looking for a girl to come to my hotel.
I have few questions:
1. All reviews are mixed under this thread? Means I need to go 1 by one, right? Is there any other thread / forum that has Shenzhen recommendations filtered by girls?
2. All hotels accept escort or I might have problem? Its a business trip with 2 colleagues and my boss, and I should not have any privacy issue.
3. Any place where I can see list of private escort girls? Real photos?
I looked over classifieds China daily, but its pretty obvious that the photos are fake.
Thanks for help!
Hi OAH,
Long time. I have been awol for 4 years. Just back to SZ from being stateside. Seems things have changed from the old days.
How have you been? Still in SZ?
LA.
Ikks,
Are you trying to provoke me?))) I gave up with this guy. He just turns on me and attacks every time I try to help him to remember the facts.
I tried to help him to understand China and the women a few times, even went out of my way, to meet him and introduce him to some of the legends on this forum in Zhuhai, the first time he came to China. I think it was in 2001.
So, far now, I will let dead dogs lie.
Just my POV.
OAH.
There are number of places around LW that are offering BBJCIM service for under $300, that's with a use of facility and drinks. Girls generally are not bad, and many with killer-bod, one place have few girls that are so in demand that you have to book days in advance even though they work 12 hour shifts. Not sure if its a good idea to post name of the places or should this be a private PM thing?Definitely let us know where. The dearth of he massage joints in grinding me, need some fun!
OldAsiaHand
08-09-15, 15:32
Hi OAH,
Long time. I have been awol for 4 years. Just back to SZ from being stateside. Seems things have changed from the old days.
How have you been? Still in SZ?
LA.LA,
I've been AWOL myself stateside for the past year, although I still visit quite China frequently. Actually, I did not live in SZ since 2004 when I moved to Guangzhou. As I understand, you can still get laid pretty easily in SZ if you know where to look but nowhere near the quantity, quality and value of days gone by.
Drop me a PM when you get back stateside. I won't be back in China until November.
OAH.
Have walked past them hundreds of times, and have read and hear horror stories, which street mommies are safe?CC1024,
For Shen Zhen, I have used the street mommies way over 50 times and never had a problem. Now I have only used the ones in the Luohu district. I always felt extremely safe. The only time I had a problem was when I walked past a hair shop and a lady called me in and I followed her upstairs and there was a problem. Now all cities in China are different. I have read that in Shanghai if you follow the mommies you can run into a scam or robbery. My advice is don't follow a mommy into a karaoke place like they do often in shanghai because you might not be able to leave without paying a crazy amount of money. There is a crack down in China now. I would not recommend bring a girl to your room or a least I would not because of the crackdown. Lastly, before you go with any mommie. Make sure to get the price before you go with her. If you can speak Chinese use a calculator or hold up two fingers which means 200 RMB. Now the price may have gone up or so people have wrote. But at least start low and she will think you been there before.
CC1024,
For Shen Zhen, I have used the street mommies way over 50 times and never had a problem. Now I have only used the ones in the Luohu district. I always felt extremely safe. The only time I had a problem was when I walked past a hair shop and a lady called me in and I followed her upstairs and there was a problem. Now all cities in China are different. I have read that in Shanghai if you follow the mommies you can run into a scam or robbery. My advice is don't follow a mommy into a karaoke place like they do often in shanghai because you might not be able to leave without paying a crazy amount of money. There is a crack down in China now. I would not recommend bring a girl to your room or a least I would not because of the crackdown. Lastly, before you go with any mommie. Make sure to get the price before you go with her. If you can speak Chinese use a calculator or hold up two fingers which means 200 RMB. Now the price may have gone up or so people have wrote. But at least start low and she will think you been there before.Would you recommend SZ over Dongguan? SZ is a lot closer to HK, so that makes travel arrangements easier, I was thinking about going to SZ with a.
Few friends this Winter. Any recommendations for hotel / KTV combo?
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Fast Eddie 48
08-21-15, 10:35
CC1024,
For Shen Zhen, I have used the street mommies way over 50 times and never had a problem. Now I have only used the ones in the Luohu district. I always felt extremely safe. The only time I had a problem was when I walked past a hair shop and a lady called me in and I followed her upstairs and there was a problem. Now all cities in China are different. I have read that in Shanghai if you follow the mommies you can run into a scam or robbery. My advice is don't follow a mommy into a karaoke place like they do often in shanghai because you might not be able to leave without paying a crazy amount of money. There is a crack down in China now. I would not recommend bring a girl to your room or a least I would not because of the crackdown. Lastly, before you go with any mommie. Make sure to get the price before you go with her. If you can speak Chinese use a calculator or hold up two fingers which means 200 RMB. Now the price may have gone up or so people have wrote. But at least start low and she will think you been there before.To tom SF.
You are such a donkey with outdated info you have not been in China for over 5 yr all you have no idea what is going on in China now days, you just repeat wht other ISG member post if you hold up 2 finger you will get a middle finger if you want a girl go to your hotel room it will cost you over 500 rmb if you can find any, I am in shenzhen now most girl I saw is damn ugly with bad teeth maybe that is what you are after.
Fast eddie 48.
Would you recommend SZ over Dongguan? SZ is a lot closer to HK, so that makes travel arrangements easier, I was thinking about going to SZ with a.
Few friends this Winter. Any recommendations for hotel / KTV combo?The circled area below is a fantastic place to meet all sorts of WGs in Dongguan. It is quite close to the Walter Hotel in Changping. Let us know your experiences there!
Ikks
Has anybody tried the KTV at this top class business hotel?
Kirin Parkview Hotel 麒麟山景大酒店.
118 Shajing Road, Baoan District, Shenzhen, Guangdong, China.
+86 755 2721 8888
Ikks
To tom SF.
You are such a donkey with outdated info you have not been in China for over 5 yr all you have no idea what is going on in China now days, you just repeat wht other ISG member post if you hold up 2 finger you will get a middle finger if you want a girl go to your hotel room it will cost you over 500 rmb if you can find any, I am in shenzhen now most girl I saw is damn ugly with bad teeth maybe that is what you are after.
Fast eddie 48.I suggest that TomSf reread an extremely detailed and interesting post about Shanghai, that was written especially by Shanghai Guide to correct TomSf's misguided perceptions about the city. To make things easy for him (and other interested readers - it is interesting), here is the link:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?945-East-China-Shanghai&p=1664110&viewfull=1#post1664110
Ikks.
Fast Eddie 48
08-23-15, 03:00
I suggest that TomSf reread an extremely detailed and interesting post about Shanghai, that was written especially by Shanghai Guide to correct TomSf's misguided perceptions about the city. To make things easy for him (and other interested readers - it is interesting), here is the link:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?945-East-China-Shanghai&p=1664110&viewfull=1#post1664110
Ikks.To IKKS.
Tomsf must be a lonely old man in SF with nothing to do like to mislead all the newbie post all this info that is 5 yr old, for us that is in Shenzhen alot know he is full of it only the newbie think he know something.
Fast eddie 48.
Ace Gallant
08-23-15, 03:31
CC1024,
For Shen Zhen, I have used the street mommies way over 50 times and never had a problem. Now I have only used the ones in the Luohu district. I always felt extremely safe. The only time I had a problem was when I walked past a hair shop and a lady called me in and I followed her upstairs and there was a problem. Now all cities in China are different. I have read that in Shanghai if you follow the mommies you can run into a scam or robbery. My advice is don't follow a mommy into a karaoke place like they do often in shanghai because you might not be able to leave without paying a crazy amount of money. There is a crack down in China now. I would not recommend bring a girl to your room or a least I would not because of the crackdown. Lastly, before you go with any mommie. Make sure to get the price before you go with her. If you can speak Chinese use a calculator or hold up two fingers which means 200 RMB. Now the price may have gone up or so people have wrote. But at least start low and she will think you been there before.Oh pleaseeeeeeee! Can you get yourself updated before you point out to newbies the wrong way? These scams in Shanghai you had mentioned must be back in year 2000? Hello? What happened to the last 15 years? Or perhaps you like to share with us some information about places like "The Village"?
For the newbies here, my advice, do your homework, RTFF, and chose what the believe. Hint: Read reports from members with with big numbers of postings.
Get the PM, posts some of your experience to share information, PM members direct for details.
Enjoy!
AG.
Ace Gallant
08-23-15, 03:47
Oh yah. Just got reminded by a fellow monger once he saw my last posting;.
Yes AG returns. NOT that I had gone anywhere in the last 4 years, I had always been here and never gone anywhere. Still here in Shanghai, Guangzhou, Beijing, Chengdu, Shenzhen, And lots more cities. A good buddy of mine invented the teleporter and used me as the white mouse for the last 4 years which also explains the reason why I can't post! How would you expect me to type on keyboard when I was a mouse 90% of the time?
Anyways! As what my buddy always says: Where's the pussies at? (IP patent: 2001/ ver 2 by OAH).
Enjoy!
AG.
Fast Eddie 48
08-23-15, 04:06
Oh yah. Just got reminded by a fellow monger once he saw my last posting;.
Yes AG returns. NOT that I had gone anywhere in the last 4 years, I had always been here and never gone anywhere. Still here in Shanghai, Guangzhou, Beijing, Chengdu, Shenzhen, And lots more cities. A good buddy of mine invented the teleporter and used me as the white mouse for the last 4 years which also explains the reason why I can't post! How would you expect me to type on keyboard when I was a mouse 90% of the time?
Anyways! As what my buddy always says: Where's the pussies at? (IP patent: 2001/ ver 2 by OAH).
Enjoy!
AG.To AG.
Not in China is a not fun country I am in Guangzhou right now dead all sauna is only offer expensive HJ only same as all of southern China, I did have alot of fun in PI and Thailand and the USD is getting strong so welcome back to China.
Fast eddie 48.
You know the saying in Chinese -- "there is no party that does not break. ".
I lived in HK and kept an apartment in one of Shenzhen's "villages within city" from 2009 to 2014. It was wild times -- every night after dusk a certain section of the village came to life. The sex industry turned quiet and dark back alleys into a bustling business zone. Customers walked by in droves to check out the goods; XJs parade through the alleys en route to the service facilities. Many industries benefited -- make up shops, restaurants, convenient stores, taxis, electric bicycles. Often the activities spilled over and blends into the main village life; toddlers can be seen playing among XJs.
Drunks could cause problem at night; fights broke out and police was called. Occasionally the tip-off system failed and Gong An showed up unexpectedly; all XJs disbursed like rats under the sun. It actually was more exciting than scary.
But all appears wiped out now and Shenzhen is dead -- or until the next let-up on "sweep yellow".
For now, all we can do is look at old photos to think back to those good ol' days.
OldAsiaHand
08-24-15, 00:23
Sounds a bit like Sha Tsui in the old days. Thousands of girls in the alleys. Go upstairs for a private line-up that overflowed out the doors. I've not been there since last year when there were only a couple of mommies that could show you a handful of girls. Such a pity.
OAH.
You know the saying in Chinese -- "there is no party that does not break. ".
I lived in HK and kept an apartment in one of Shenzhen's "villages within city" from 2009 to 2014. It was wild times -- every night after dusk a certain section of the village came to life. The sex industry turned quiet and dark back alleys into a bustling business zone. Customers walked by in droves to check out the goods; XJs parade through the alleys en route to the service facilities. Many industries benefited -- make up shops, restaurants, convenient stores, taxis, electric bicycles. Often the activities spilled over and blends into the main village life; toddlers can be seen playing among XJs.
Drunks could cause problem at night; fights broke out and police was called. Occasionally the tip-off system failed and Gong An showed up unexpectedly; all XJs disbursed like rats under the sun. It actually was more exciting than scary.
But all appears wiped out now and Shenzhen is dead -- or until the next let-up on "sweep yellow".
For now, all we can do is look at old photos to think back to those good ol' days.
Ace Gallant
08-24-15, 11:44
To AG.
Not in China is a not fun country I am in Guangzhou right now dead all sauna is only offer expensive HJ only same as all of southern China, I did have alot of fun in PI and Thailand and the USD is getting strong so welcome back to China.
Fast eddie 48.Eddie, let's go exploration together next round, there are still many fun places. Your are right, Guangzhou stands for Gone Zone in our vocabulary.
Enjoy.
AG.
Has anybody tried the KTV at this top class business hotel?
Kirin Parkview Hotel 麒麟山景大酒店.
118 Shajing Road, Baoan District, Shenzhen, Guangdong, China.
+86 755 2721 8888
IkksHostesses are above average quality.
Not too bad.
Oh pleaseeeeeeee! Can you get yourself updated before you point out to newbies the wrong way? These scams in Shanghai you had mentioned must be back in year 2000? Hello? What happened to the last 15 years? Or perhaps you like to share with us some information about places like "The Village"?
For the newbies here, my advice, do your homework, RTFF, and chose what the believe. Hint: Read reports from members with with big numbers of postings.
Get the PM, posts some of your experience to share information, PM members direct for details.
Enjoy!
AG.AG,
Get myself updated? Noone on here as ever posted getting ripped off by any taut. Shen Zhen is very safe. I only speak about Luohu. Now after 11 pm I don't know. If you reread my post which you did a poor job doing. You will see I wrote "I read" that their are many scams following mommies in Shanghai. At least I told the poor guy my experience and what I paid. Your only advice was read other peoples reports. Way to help buddy.
SanfranJon
09-13-15, 01:12
I'll be staying in Shenzhen for a few weeks. Does anyone have recommendations? As my post title states, the main criteria is a hotel with spa / massage on the premises. Previously, I had stayed in Days Inn Shenzhen but that hotel got scraped and rebuilt. Without the spa. The top floor housed the spa which was accessible by a separate elevator. Anyone else been there?
Great thing was the spa was totally legit but in-room sessions could be booked directly with the girl. I have heard about Queen Spa but it does not sound attractive to me. It seems to be a tourist trap (ie waiting lounge with recliners, pushy workers demanding tips, etc.).
Thanks in advance.
I'll be staying in Shenzhen for a few weeks. Does anyone have recommendations? As my post title states, the main criteria is a hotel with spa / massage on the premises. Shenzhen is a large city with many districts, subdistricts and neighbourhoods (villages). For example, the well-known Luohu district (one of the smaller districts with only about 1 million inhabitants) comprises, I think, 8 sub-districts and many dozens of neighbourhoods (I know that just the Nanhu sub district comprises 14 neighbourhoods).
It is important to state your geographic requirements. I doubt that a hotel with spa / massage facilities is your only criterion.
Anyway, many 4 and 5 star hotels have spa / massage facilities, and probably even some 3 star hotels.
Previously, I had stayed in Days Inn Shenzhen but that hotel got scraped (sic) and rebuilt. Without the spa. The top floor housed the spa which was accessible by a separate elevator. Anyone else been there? Great thing was the spa was totally legit but in-room sessions could be booked directly with the girl.There are probably a couple of dozen 7 Days Inns in Shenzhen. However, they are all 2 star hotels. I have never stayed in a 7 Days Inn, but I would be surprised if any of them had spa / sauna facilities. And even more surprising is that you write that one can book the all the girls for FS in your room.
Can you tell us:
• more details concerning the location of your 7 Days Inn
• how you negotiated with the girls (BTW I guess you speak Chinese (like TomSf)).
• when were the approximate dates of your stays, and
• how much did you pay for the services?
Purely out of interest, I looked up the facilities of one of the bigger 7 Days Inns. They only listed:
• 24-hour front desk,
• Luggage storage, and
• Lift.
Great facilities!
I have heard about Queen Spa but it does not sound attractive to me. It seems to be a tourist trap (ie waiting lounge with recliners, pushy workers demanding tips, etc.).I do not understand why you write that Queen's Spa is a "tourist trap". Queen's Spa has been a famous family, veggie spa for many years. And it has been very popular with tourists. There have been a few guys over the years who claim to have received BJs from a girl, or negotiated to meet her outside the premises, but I tend to take most of these claims with the proverbial grain of rice.
Thanks in advance.You are welcome. If you provide more criteria such as district and acceptable hotel prices, then I am sure that you will receive some specific recommendations.
Cheers,
Ikksman.
SanfranJon
09-13-15, 20:32
Ikksman,
Thanks for the pointers. My actual location within the SZ region is still to be settled and once this is known I will repost my question.
With regards to the other questions:
1. Very sorry. I got my trip destinations confused. I stayed at Days Inn in Fuzhou, not Shenzhen. It is still there in Fuzhou. Too bad I am not.
2. Yes I am fluent in Mandarin, Cantonese and Japanese so communication is never an issue. Except for adventures in Germany.
3. I stayed at that hotel, "Days Inn", in 2011 and booked the same girl 3 times for 600 RMB each time. Not including the first time in the spa.
So sorry for my absent mind!
It is important to state your geographic requirements. I doubt that a hotel with spa / massage facilities is your only criterion.
Anyway, many 4 and 5 star hotels have spa / massage facilities, and probably even some 3 star hotels.
There are probably a couple of dozen 7 Days Inns in Shenzhen. However, they are all 2 star hotels. I have never stayed in a 7 Days Inn, but I would be surprised if any of them had spa / sauna facilities. And even more surprising is that you write that one can book the all the girls for FS in your room.
Can you tell us:
More details concerning the location of your 7 Days Inn.
How you negotiated with the girls (BTW I guess you speak Chinese).
When were the approximate dates of your stays, and.
How much did you pay for the services?
Purely out of interest, I looked up the facilities of one of the bigger 7 Days Inns. They only listed:
24-hour front desk.
Luggage storage and.
lift.
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SanfranJon
09-13-15, 20:36
Thanks Ikksman, I'll repost when my actual district is known.
I must apologize now though. I had my trips confused. I just dugout my old travel itinerary. The hotel with the spa and in-room services is in Fuzhou. Not Shenzhen. The name is Days Inn and it is still there. Part of the US chain. Back in 2011, I booked the same gal 3 times, 1 HR in room full serve, for 600 RMB each time.
Shenzhen is a large city with many districts, subdistricts and neighbourhoods (villages). For example, the well-known Luohu district (one of the smaller districts with only about 1 million inhabitants) comprises, I think, 8 sub-districts and many dozens of neighbourhoods (I know that just the Nanhu sub district comprises 14 neighbourhoods).
It is important to state your geographic requirements. I doubt that a hotel with spa / massage facilities is your only criterion.
Anyway, many 4 and 5 star hotels have spa / massage facilities, and probably even some 3 star hotels.
There are probably a couple of dozen 7 Days Inns in Shenzhen. However, they are all 2 star hotels. I have never stayed in a 7 Days Inn, but I would be surprised if any of them had spa / sauna facilities. And even more surprising is that you write that one can book the all the girls for FS in your room.
Can you tell us:
more details concerning the location of your 7 Days Inn
how you negotiated with the girls (BTW I guess you speak Chinese (like TomSf)).
when were the approximate dates of your stay.
Thanks Ikksman, I'll repost when my actual district is known.
I must apologize now though. I had my trips confused. I just dugout my old travel itinerary. The hotel with the spa and in-room services is in Fuzhou. Not Shenzhen. The name is Days Inn and it is still there. Part of the US chain. Back in 2011, I booked the same gal 3 times, 1 HR in room full serve, for 600 RMB each time.Okay I understand. I wrongly assumed you meant the Chinese 7 Days Inn chain because AFAIK, there are no "Days Inn" hotels in Shenzhen.
Let us know what area you want to stay in, although because of the "Crackdown" there is a paucity of good hotel saunas with FS.
Cheers,
Ikksman
I have no idea whether or not the map is genuine, and I am not in SZ to be able to validate it. The marked path from the MacDonalds on Shangsha Yeshu Lu to the spot marked 'X' should be easy to follow. Supposedly there are 150 yuan WGs in apartments, available from touts at 'X'.
Ikksman
SanfranJon
09-26-15, 19:54
Trips totally changed. I am going to Suzhou. Staying at a H* hotel. I'll post in that forum for advice.
Guitarrefreak
09-30-15, 07:51
And using wechat lookaround, and unfortunately had a bait and switch.
However, she turned out to be alright after-all, though I was a little worried if she may be barely legal (yeahh).
What she lacked for in a hot bod, she made up for by being genuinely wet and enjoying the sex.
How wet did she get?
Lets just say I didn't want to sleep on that side of the bed that night and requested to have my sheets changed.
Total damage was less than what was quoted initially so my argument is that gentlemen, it is very possible to reset the market price if you play your cards right.
After a beer in a small bar in DongMen (expensive beer in China, though small bars charge less), my friends and I decided to hit on some massage parlors to see what activities over there. It was last Saturday around midnight /1 am.
We walk back in direction of GuoMao metro station and stopped first on RenMinNanLu in a massage place with with large sign on the street saying "Dream Sauna" in English. That's probably the easiest place to find, it's directly opposite of GuoMao building and there was a big neon sign. We went inside and ask at the counter to see the girls, the manager showed us some pictures on his Ipad, like photoshopped pictures, and added that service is 258 for massage. It was advertised "gangshi" which what I know for sure is referred to Hong Kong style massage, and apparently nothing more over there as confirmed by the manager.
We left and decided to keep on walking in direction of the immigration building towards the red apartment area. We past the Burger King and end up in the next block of buildings. Over there is another massage place, no English name. Not difficult to find. PM me if problem. We went up the stairs. Same process, asked for the girls available. Managers said 4 girls were available, and showed to us on Ipad, service is 288 and I confirmed with manager that service is BBBJ or HuanBao in Chinese. Since 2 girls seem on the pictures shown, we accepted.
Quick shower in the changing room and the 2 girls were presented to us. My friend got the one, skinny, nice face, around 20-25. I got another one older around 25-30, large boobs, little fat but OK. Service was as promised, first passably good massage for 45 min, then flip over, remove the top and BBBJ. My girl was rather skilled. Ask her to slow down a bit and lay down. Did a little 69 play and rubbing. I finally sit in a large chair in the corner of the room, where she finished her job.
Back to the shower, my friend confirmed me that his girl was also fine. Overall similar experience as mine.
On the way out, add the WeChat of the manager.
Overall experience was good. No FS, though. Good point is that you can get the Wechat of the girl for further contact. Selection is important at the counter, it's better to see the girl or the pics before entering the place and confirm the price. In my opinion, those massage places have many nice young girls, quality is fine. Services varies from 1 place to another, intelligence may be necessary to screen out for the best places. PM me if needed.
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10-07-15, 16:55
Thanks for the detailed report.
I presume the session was for 1 hour, including the shower afterwards and putting your clothes back on. If the massage of the back lasted 45 minutes, and the girl still had her tops on, how long did you two get to do the naughty deeds?
I have no idea whether or not the map is genuine, and I am not in SZ to be able to validate it. The marked path from the MacDonalds on Shangsha Yeshu Lu to the spot marked 'X' should be easy to follow. Supposedly there are 150 yuan WGs in apartments, available from touts at 'X'.
IkksmanLast night I went for a walk and decided to verify Ikksman's note. I did not see any touts, but walking through the cum north of the X, there were at least 20 ladies waiting to serve. However I could not achieve the 150 price. Most bunches of ladies let be walk away for 400-500. But I did get one down to 300. I might have been too early, as I arrived at about 11:15 PM.
Service was a standard cum pop.
NewtonSean2
10-18-15, 06:46
Hi,
Any chance you could share her Wechat with me?
Finding it difficult to find a real one!
And using wechat lookaround, and unfortunately had a bait and switch.
However, she turned out to be alright after-all, though I was a little worried if she may be barely legal (yeahh).
What she lacked for in a hot bod, she made up for by being genuinely wet and enjoying the sex.
How wet did she get?
Lets just say I didn't want to sleep on that side of the bed that night and requested to have my sheets changed.
Total damage was less than what was quoted initially so my argument is that gentlemen, it is very possible to reset the market price if you play your cards right.===============================================
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OldAsiaHand
10-18-15, 18:34
Last night I went for a walk and decided to verify Ikksman's note. I did not see any touts, but walking through the cum north of the X, there were at least 20 ladies waiting to serve. However I could not achieve the 150 price. Most bunches of ladies let be walk away for 400-500. But I did get one down to 300. I might have been too early, as I arrived at about 11:15 PM.
Service was a standard cum pop.Kwan Kai,
If you are talking about the apartments near the train station in Luohu, it is really getting ridiculous. 400-500? These girls have been 150 for as long as I can remember; 200 if you want to take them back to your hotel nearby. With good bargaining skills, even 100 on site. That said, I've not been there for a couple of years but I was just talking with a fellow monger this week that was there last year at those prices.
IMHO, the pricing in China has gone way over the top. Your SZ experience and the KTV prices I see quoted here for DG are a joke for what you get.
Just my POV.
OAH.
Fast Eddie 48
10-19-15, 22:49
Kwan Kai,
If you are talking about the apartments near the train station in Luohu, it is really getting ridiculous. 400-500? These girls have been 150 for as long as I can remember; 200 if you want to take them back to your hotel nearby. With good bargaining skills, even 100 on site. That said, I've not been there for a couple of years but I was just talking with a fellow monger this week that was there last year at those prices.
IMHO, the pricing in China has gone way over the top. Your SZ experience and the KTV prices I see quoted here for DG are a joke for what you get.
Just my POV.
OAH.To OAH.
Kwan and Ikkmans is talking about Shangsha village near Shatsui you can still get bbs girl for 150 if you know where to go, last month I still can find girl for 150-200 I got one at ShaTsui and there are new bbs near SZ university and Baoan area for 150 and 200 back to the hotel service is rush and quality is average you just need to know what you doing.
Fast eddie 48.
Hello SZ'ers.
I've been reading through the forum but I haven't been able to find out answers to a couple of very simple questions, so I'll pose them here and hope someone can summarize for me (and perhaps others with similar questions):
1. Are there any straight up "pick up" bars like, for example, Manhattan's in Shanghai, Maggies in Beijing, a number of bars in Wan Chai, etc? If so what are the best one (s)? This option is obviously preferred by a lot of mongers to trolling streets for BBS's, but it's hard to discern whether it exists in SZ.
2. A number of years back someone mentioned to me that there were a bunch of Western-catering sports bars & "talking bars" (girl bars) in shekou. I know exactly what to expect from those places (I. E. Ripoff joints, crappy girls, etc.) -- but for those like myself that enjoy those places despite their obvious and many flaws my question is: do those still exist, and where exactly can they be found? (and any other inside info appreciated too).
Thank you in advance.
-B-
ps - after more targeted searching I think I've now found my answers to #2 (at least enough info to now google and find the places - Seaworld Bar Street, I suppose) and perhaps #1 as well (is The Terrance the best bet?), though any current insights still appreciated.
{S N I P}
1. Are there any straight up "pick up" bars like, for example, Manhattan's in Shanghai, Maggies in Beijing, a number of bars in Wan Chai, etc? {S N I P}
2. A number of years back someone mentioned to me that there were a bunch of Western-catering sports bars & "talking bars" (girl bars) in shekou.{S N I P}.Hi B,
You are probably aware that Xi Jinping did a concentrated and ongoing cleanup of the whole of Guangdong, commencing some 18 months ago; the reason being that Jiang Zemin's stooges contolled the province. For some reason Shanghai was not hit very heavily.
1. AFAIK there are no bars in SZ that are equivalent to Manhattan etc, where WGs, and in particular Mongols, Pinays, Viets etc, openly hang out waiting to be picked up. At one time WGs (Chinese and Filipina) hung out in one of the bars at the Crowne Plaza in Dongmen. but I believe that that is no longer the case.
There is a cluster of expat friendly bars in Coco Park where a few WGs have congregated from time to time. These include Demon Bar, Club Viva, La Casa and McCawleys. Then there is the Aussie Xpats bar in Central Walk where friendly drinkers will be able to give you an up to date sitrep.
If you speak Chinese, then there are a large number of bars in many places (my favourites were in Guomao) where you can often meet Chinese SYTs eager for a fling with a westerner.
2. Shekou is an expat enclave in SZ, and was sanitised years ago. One of the popular Sports Bars there is The Snake Pit, but it has become more of a family friendly place in recent years. AFAIK, The Terrace was also cleaned up years ago (many times). This information is hearsay as I rarely ventured to this outpost of Western civilisation (haha). And I am told that if you do meet a WG there, it is only because she is too old and ugly to work in the more popular spots Like Futian or Luohu. And Shekou is also a fair hike from Futian or Luohu.
Ikksman
P.S. I know that oftimes I am criticised by one ignorant wannabe that, because I have not mongered much in the last 2 years, my information is therefore out of date and useless. What he failed to realise is that I still kept my eyes and ears open, easily recognised WGs, their mamasans and touts, and speak to colleagues. So my information was up to date. If my information was out of date or hearsay, I would write this.
At one time I used to walk though Luohu village 3 or 4 times every day. This was not for mongering (I was staying with my GF in the nearby apartment block Huitai B), and I was going to and from work or visiting supermarkets, restaurants or King Glory Plaza etc. Thus I knew the mamas and some of the WGs in the village, and my information was up to date.
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