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Neuromancer

10-11-07, 14:00

CP/SZexpat, spare us from your arrogance. Your reputation as cyber bully prick continues.

Did your ear itch today? Another very senior member sent me PM about you long before your post. LOL! This is too too funny as you're pissing off quite a few of us.

Many of us senior members are well aware of your "glorified" pimping business. You know get some commissions from moomies/girls out of of "monger" service especially for the newbies and the help girls find husbands in Meiguo? LOL indeed.Lol, well, I can speak from personal experience here as CPx showed me around CP on my maiden voyage. If he got a cut from the mommy, can't have been too much. Paid RMB200 (half to mommy, half to girl afterwards) + RMB20 or so for return taxi fare. Even if CPx gets 25% of that (splitting the mommy fee) it's only RMB50. He'll need show a LOT of newbies around to make a decent living in this line of work.

There's a second part of the story which I don't really wanna get into here, but I've posted about it before. It's certainly possible that he earned another RMB100 or so from my second go round.

In the end, I definitely didn't get the "he wants to make money off of me" sort of vibe.

A little off-topic, a little on-topic, given all the discussion of pricing on the SZ and DG threads. If you wanna go high end and not worried about paying a little extra, Macau is definitely the way to go. The value of CP in my eyes is the quantity and low cost. Of course, on my first trip I only had a chance to sample the lower end options. Will try the higher end ones next time. But the saunas in Macau have the most stunningly beautiful Chinese women in this ABC's eyes. Plenty of attractive women in the CP BBS' as well, but not quite in the same league as Macau. Maybe I'll change my mind after trying some of the KTV/saunas.

Bill Lee

10-11-07, 14:56

Cyber Bully? I read that you thanked CPexpat several times in showing you around town. Why don't you call him that then? I have never read a Cyber Bully post from Cpexpat.

As far as other members talking about others, never judge anyone on the board until you have met them. Apparently you met CPexpat and yet you believe a DickHead's PM instead of your own eyes.

As far as your comment is concerned about:

"As for rates - hey I still think it's BARGAIN compared to US and let alone other countries in Asia (Japan, Korea, Taiwan, etc). I got lot of shit for paying higher end of the going rate from other mongers but WTF it's my choice and who the fuck are they to badger me for paying few bucks more telling me I'm raising the rates for others. Rubbish."

"We checked out the Seibu alleys around 4 PM and ended up at hand job joint nearby. I got ripped off for not understanding putonghua. I chose older girl but I guess she charged me double (for double time?) which of course I found out when I was paying so was kind a pricey 80R MB hand job. She did let me play with her hairy hole and rode my fingers literally in heat (nice acting)."

And you complained about overpricing in your post. Your posts and attitude speaks for themselves.

Needless to say, you're one member that can't be trusted. For whatever we do, there's no reason for you to drop information on anyone on the board.

I will report your post to the moderator.

Bill

CP/SZexpat, spare us from your arrogance. Your reputation as cyber bully prick continues.

Did your ear itch today? Another very senior member sent me PM about you long before your post. LOL! This is too too funny as you're pissing off quite a few of us.

Many of us senior members are well aware of your "glorified" pimping business. You know get some commissions from moomies/girls out of of "monger" service especially for the newbies and the help girls find husbands in Meiguo? LOL indeed.

Bob Builder

10-11-07, 15:41

I mean after all he did stop posting after the online disagreement that he and CP had in the Dongguan forum. He provides some good intel but I was getting sick of him calling every 2nd person a wanker tho. And CP's deals, I 've been to some of the places that he has been to and gotten better deals withoht mentioning his name. Maybe because he was getting a Loa wei price to start with.

That is why IMHO OAH and Johnnykon are about the only guys that post here worth a damn. No ego, just the facts(that I believe anyway)

Just a few thoughts:Language, if you can't speak the local lingo, you take what you can get for how much you can get it.

Seibu: Pricing is RMB150. I pay the same for incall as takeout(+ taxifare back). Some will not do takeout, some will not budge from RMB200. Lots of reasons why, e.g. hotties do not want to waste time travelling, safer on own turf, busy/slow time of day... You make your own decisions. I took one out last week and paid RMB150 + tip and said I would deliver back. She said that it was 200 and would be embarassed to tell anyone that she did it for 150 takeout. I was temped to say I would be embarassed to tell anyone that I shagged someone that was such a lame shag and had such a sloppy **** but was in a hurry. Since my shag pad only has a bed in it and I was leaving she shut up and got in the taxi for the free ride home.

Anther e.g.I have been to another BBS area where I saw a guy leave and said it was RMB130. Since I was a regular(2-5 per week), I said I want it for the same but the mama said RMB150 for me and would not budge. Why argue, just everytime I walk past the shop she asks what I am doing? I say I am going to get a gal and walk past smiling!

Anal. Not common!!!!! My trick is to bo to a KTV / BBS and say to the mama / gal, "I want to do everything, do you do it?" Normally they say they do BJ. I say I don't only want BJ, is there anything you don't do? They think a moment and without fail almost always say "NO ANAL ACTION"

CP/SZexpat, spare us from your arrogance. Your reputation as cyber bully prick continues.

Did your ear itch today? Another very senior member sent me PM about you long before your post. LOL! This is too too funny as you're pissing off quite a few of us.

Many of us senior members are well aware of your "glorified" pimping business. You know get some commissions from moomies/girls out of of "monger" service especially for the newbies and the help girls find husbands in Meiguo? LOL indeed.

Old Mean Dog

10-11-07, 16:13

CP/SZexpat, spare us from your arrogance. Your reputation as cyber bully prick continues.

Did your ear itch today? Another very senior member sent me PM about you long before your post. LOL! This is too too funny as you're pissing off quite a few of us.

Many of us senior members are well aware of your "glorified" pimping business. You know get some commissions from moomies/girls out of of "monger" service especially for the newbies and the help girls find husbands in Meiguo? LOL indeed.

You should take a long look in the mirror when you call someone else arrogant. You know the going rate, yet you seem fit to want to pay more, then blast others who try to keep the price stable.

I do not hide what I do for a living, I am already retired from one job and living an easy life now and thanks for the free advertisement. You are so misinformed about what I do, but if you think I get a cut of the action here, then I will more than enjoy your money in my pocket. Please keep overpaying because I like to spend lots of money on prostitutes though, I only pay the going rate.

Before you start comparing apples to oranges, maybe you should look at the other "very senior" members lame posts and quit stroking his.....ego?

You were the one begging me and others for help and to be your tour guide/buddy. Now, you act like you know it all and will pay whatever you damn well like. Fine, do what you feel you need to do and run with the guys that best suits your lifestyle. I for one will not help anyone as arrogant as you, so stop begging.

-CPE
Cyber Bully Prick and Glorified Pimp

Master Monger

10-11-07, 18:47

I took Soulman to the jerk off joint but I told him three times and even asked the guy at the front to make sure it was only 40RMB using baby oil for a jerk off. He was done early and gone when I got out, I only paid 40RMB.

Then he calls me at 11pm and asks me how much the SW in front of Seibu should cost I said "150RMB for 1 hour or 400RMB for all night until around 7-8am. I also dissapprove of overpaying, but I will always pay them same price because I speak Chinese and I can just say I am not a stupid Lao wai. Then pay the normal price.

Me and a member from ISG checked out Huang Bei Ling and found they have 50RMB and 30RMB SW's but the 30RMB were old and fat. The 50RMB were definately nice and doable but I am just not into 10 minutes and the guy I was with thought the place was too dirty.

CPExpat, I don't need anyone to stroke my ego, because, "I don't have an ego, I really am that good." If you spent more then 3 hours with me, you would know that. Hope you are having fun in CP, I will always love SZ "Hubei Xing Cun" and "Xiang Xi Cun"

Master Monger

Wizzy2007

10-11-07, 21:23

Hey Wing Low

Tell More Abt The Place And Prices Pls

Will Be In Sz Soon

Wizzy

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Hi Wizzy2007,

I sincerely appreciate your reports, but...

Would you please refrain from capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word in your reports!

It's difficult to read, it's time consuming to fix, and it takes you more work to write like that.

On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: Thank You!

Jackson

Wizzy2007

10-11-07, 21:30

Hey wing low,

Sure you had good time with the second passionate gal.

Could you kindly please tell us more about the place to find her or is it sheibu? .

And the prices too?

Thanks and regards

Wizzy

Admin

10-11-07, 23:58

Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

Let's get back to the subject.

Thank You,

Jackson

OldAsiaHand

10-12-07, 08:02

I've have picked up a few SW in SZ, mostly in Futian. They normally ask for 200 RMB ST. I have negotiated as low as 100 RMB for a BBBJ in the car, but she was in a hurry. Other times, I have paid 150 RMB for hotel service. I have always been satisified when I paid 200 RMB for service in my hotel. One SW told me once that 200 is a fair price but that she will go for less since she needs money. On the other hand, she told me that if you pay less than 200 RMB, she gives less service.

I think that the going rate for SW in Luohu is also 200 RMB. They may start higher (400-500 RMB), but most will go for 200 RMB. Again, you may be able to bargain a little better to 150 RMB, but the service may reflect this.

Normally, SW do not start too high with me since I pick them up driving myself so they figure I did not just arrive yesterday.

I agree with Santa that if you pay any more than 200 RMB + actual taxi fare to a SW if your hotel is not close, you are just a chump.

Foreigners do not have to pay more money if they think with their head attached to the neck, stick to their guns and do not bend over. Overpaying does affect the market overall for those of us that live here, especially the laowai.

Just my POV.

OAH

OldAsiaHand

10-12-07, 08:11

Bob Builder,

The standard BBS rate is usually 130 RMB for locals. I have overheard several mamas quoting this price to others passing by. This just means that the boss only makes 30 RMB, instead of 50 RMB. I reckon the girl still gets 100 RMB. The 150 RMB seems to be an overseas Chinese rate, that has been paid by HK punters for years since they were used to paying 150 RMB in Sha Tsui as a benchmark. Most of the BBS in SZ will agree to 130 RMB if you push it, but I never make an issue of it for 20 RMB.

OAH

Soulman

10-12-07, 11:42

Bill Lee rides to defend his pal CP/SZexpat?

Gonna report me, huh? Go right ahead dude. Listen I have been part of ISG for over 10 years and long before Jackson totally redid the site many years back - back in late 90's when it was old style bulletin message board.

I think I met you at CP KTV in August with AG, Moody, Charge Red, etc, on Sat night? You didn't drink or had a date due to your stomach prob. We went for foot massage afterwards. I didn't think you're a such an axxhole back than but better late than ever to avoid someone like you.

Who the fxck are you to tell me to go away, huh? It's trouble makers like you many senior members avoid this msg board and communcate via PM.

For the record, SZ/CPexpat NEVER and I mean NEVER showed me around. OK, stop LYING? Why don't you post any of my post thanking him "several times" for his "service"? I met him with other mongers in Seibu over dinner last April - that's it.

So Bill, chill out and stop lashing out with made-up BS, OK?

Cyber Bully? I read that you thanked CPexpat several times in showing you around town. Why don't you call him that then? I have never read a Cyber Bully post from Cpexpat.

As far as other members talking about others, never judge anyone on the board until you have met them. Apparently you met CPexpat and yet you believe a DickHead's PM instead of your own eyes.

And you complained about overpricing in your post. Your posts and attitude speaks for themselves.

Needless to say, you're one member that can't be trusted. For whatever we do, there's no reason for you to drop information on anyone on the board.

I will report your post to the moderator.

Bill

Old Mean Dog

10-12-07, 13:39

Bob Builder

10-12-07, 14:29

You won't bargin for 20 but will hassle a mama in CP for 50. My actual point quoting this example was that the mama can quote any price and you have the right to go elsewhere. I know it is the local price. If you go back about 6 years the standard price in LoWu was 250 before Sa Zui became popular with the 24 hr Huangguan crossing so Hong Kong mongers did not have to pay for the 40+ taxi ride there and rush back for the midnight train.

MM, which part of Huang Bui Liang are you talking about as there are Upper, Lower and Middle villages. BBS shops are all but stamped out with about only 10 shops left and the talent is sparse. There are 2 handjob shops on the main drag into Middle village 40/hr. It used to be 35/hs 6 months ago and "free" hj with 2 hours.

Bob Builder,

The standard BBS rate is usually 130 RMB for locals. I have overheard several mamas quoting this price to others passing by. This just means that the boss only makes 30 RMB, instead of 50 RMB. I reckon the girl still gets 100 RMB. The 150 RMB seems to be an overseas Chinese rate, that has been paid by HK punters for years since they were used to paying 150 RMB in Sha Tsui as a benchmark. Most of the BBS in SZ will agree to 130 RMB if you push it, but I never make an issue of it for 20 RMB.

OAH

Bob Builder

10-12-07, 14:49

for those who have pmed me.

they are nicely dressed pretty young girls, almost always with backpacks and sometimes in school uniform. the approach you and ask for rmb1 to buy bread, they are too nicely dressed to be poor, just like some of the women with kids pretending to eat out of rubbish bins near the railway station. they just keep following you hassling you, saying it is only rmb1. that is why i get coarse and offer then a lot more if they do a lot more, then they take off. i wouldn't touch then as they look **** and who needs that type of shit in this place.

Daved35

10-12-07, 16:37

Gents,

Just back after a long absense on the scene. Actually from my hotel I look directly at SIEBU from my Hotel not more then 150metres away

I had a long time GF here from Manila for 10 days so no local action allowed. She has gone to HK and now The prowl is back on. I must contact MM asap as he seems to be the local King on the scene

Also, in relation to one of my first posts on the 2 babes for the night, Its all true gents,, I have seen one of them in the last few nights I went out with the GF. I got the anal and the CIM,, its just down to being nice and paying the mula over .

The SW around the Sunshine and the Panglin are the best and I have had months from beijing to Shenzhen to Jinan to HK and Shanghai to see. Where else can you step outside for a smoke and pick one from the walk with your ciggie and back to Hotel for a night on 400 RMB?

Marvelous China

Juno Audio

10-12-07, 17:01

Thursday night I went to the Seibu area early around 7, done my deed, and was surprised to find all the shops closed when I came back down from the apartment upstairs. Then I saw two foreigners standing in one of the alleys talking to each other looking as if they were lost, so I approached them to see if I could offer any help. It turned out one of them was none other than Master Monger himself.

So to make the story short, Master Monger took me to a nearby place that offered 50RMB - 30RMB ST, because I didn't know they existed in LuoHu. The place was so dark I had to use my cell phone as a flash light to see the girls' faces. Some of the girls are doable but I wouldn't, not at those places there. So I asked them where the 30RMB girls. They pointed to an area and said they are fat and ugly. So no need for me to check them out. Besides, there were rats running around in that area, so I couldn't wait to get the hell outta there.

Master Monger said he will prove to me one day that his duck stories are true. Stay tuned...

OldAsiaHand

10-12-07, 17:09

You won't bargin for 20 but will hassle a mama in CP for 50.

Bob Builder,

I only pay 130 RMB at all the BBS that I patronize near where I live. I used to pay 150 RMB until one of the girls told me it was only 130 for locals. I asked the mamas about this and she immediately agreed to drop the price for me. She just thought I didn't know any better.

HK punters have been paying 150 RMB in SZ too long and the industry refuses to give a laowai a cheaper price than that.

Please do not misunderstand me. I don't care about the 20 or 50 RMB. For me, it is just the principle. I am not trying to cheat the mamas/girls. I just don't want to be ripped off. I don't want to pay a foreigner surcharge. 99% of the times they try, I just walk away. I hassled the mama in CP because she is a real **** with an attitude.

I am willing to pay the standard rate wherever I go. I do not try to bargain KTV girls in CP for less than 500 ST. I tip the sauna girls 300-400 as is customary. I pay 1,200 RMB ST in high end SZ KTV. I kept a BBS girl in CP this week until 1:00AM, but still gave her the LT rate of 400 RMB since I had her since around 4:00PM. The same thing applies when I travel. I don't expect to get 150 RMB FS ST in Tokyo or Seoul, but I always read the forum and follow the advice on pricing and try to analyze things on local terms.

Just my POV.

OAH

Donsat

10-12-07, 18:01

I will be Shenzhen sat Oct 13, 2007.

I would like to try KTV's. email me

Schubba

10-13-07, 10:52

Went to SZ partly for work but also holiday. I met with Soulman who took care of me. We went to Seibu at 5 pm. I have been there before in July. I didn't pick any, as I had travelled for 18 hours from Europe to here. We agreed to meet later in the evening for KTV - my first real experience. I have tried the KTV-scams in Beijing and survived partly with all my money.

At 8 pm we went to KTV known by Soulman, selected girls not from the first line up. I had a nice girl, very attentive, sexy teasing. She definitely tried to get to my hotel fast. I had a great time for a couple of hours, then she got suddenly very tired - in the end she fall a sleep. Soulman and I decided to leave, as he was also not so satisfied with his choice.

I went back to the hotel, but I was now in a good mode even that I hadn't slept for more than 24 hours. I went to Seibu picked up a girl at the BBS. Because of my condition (alcohol, no sleep) and her lazy attitude ,I could finish, so we stopped. I payed and went on my way back to the hotel. As I passed the Department store there was the big crowd of young girls, mamasans and pimps. I found one girl but now there was two mamasans controlling her. One mamasan promised the girl for me. The other mamasan wanted the girl for a costumer in Panglin hotel. There was lot of discussion and screaming. I ended of paying 100 RMB to my mamasan to secure the girl for me (I thought). But the other mamasan came in between and forced the girl away. So I lost 100 RMB and a girl. And I couldn't find my mamasan again as I wanted my money back.

The end of the story was I picked another girl. Little older but very GF.

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Wizzy2007

10-13-07, 12:57

Gents,

The SW around the Sunshine and the Panglin are the best and I have had months from beijing to Shenzhen to Jinan to HK and Shanghai to see. Where else can you step outside for a smoke and pick one from the walk with your ciggie and back to Hotel for a night on 400 RMB?

Marvelous ChinaHey Dave please tell us more clearly in plain language! Some of us are a bit confused with the coded message.

Do you mean 400 is ST or LT? But allover in forum we ar etold that SW price is always 150

Soon I will be in SZ for x mas and new year.

Keep posting please!

Gualtier Malde

10-14-07, 06:21

I aborted my trip to CP on advice of several ISGers, who said this weekend would not be a great one due to the Canton Fair crowd, in addition to the usual Hong Kong weekend crowd.

Instead, I was introduced to Wadman by a mutual friend and well known ISGer. He gave me a great introduction to Shenzhen. We had a blast with the BBS girls in Seibu.

Seibu is nothing at all like the Shanghai BBS experience. It is the first time in China that I've experienced alley after alley packed with cute young girls, hanging out just waiting to be picked.

We partook twice. My first girl (Ban Ban?) was cute, very tiny, and extremely outgoing. She was loads of fun. My second was cute, but was not nearly as fun. She was a BBS mechanic, just going through the motions. But hey, for 150, I found it hard to complain too much. She still completed the deed, and since she was my second round, she had more work to do... :-)

Wadman made sure that this lao wai got the standard price, and he otherwise was a great host, guide and protector. Many thanks to him for making the evening very enjoyable.

GM

Daved35

10-14-07, 11:25

Hey Dave please tell us more clearly in plain language! Some of us are a bit confused with the coded message.

Do you mean 400 is ST or LT? But allover in forum we ar etold that SW price is always 150

Soon I will be in SZ for x mas and new year.

Keep posting please!Wizzy,

The 400 I pay is for an all nighter,, usually from 9PM i head out so as to pick them up kinda fresh. I get as far as 10 - noon the following day. which from my experience in Hong Kong where I was for several months based is about 20% of the price.

If you want a badda bing baada boom then it is 150-200 depending on the quality your going for. Me ,,, I only have my cock in something that is 8+ as I am kinda picky.

I picked up a real cuite 2 nights ago ( 17 years -45KGS, CURVY and very very willing) and she literally moved into the Hotel room. I give her 500 every 24 hours and even 2 friends of hers came back to the hotel here last night after we walked around Seibu and went to the Japanese restaurant just around the corner at 3am. One got naked with me and her in the bed and watched and the other fell asleep in the lounge room on the couch

The room I am in is a large Suite with separate lounge area,, great for entertaining and is overlooking Seibu ( got a spectacle last night a 4am when a big fight took off with the group of pimps and SWs over at Seibu) . Room is 500 a night and a fraction of the other 2 adjacent hotels in price.

I have been to Beijing, Shanghai, Jinan, Zhuhai and Hong Kong but in my experience this is by far the best -

PM me if you want any more delicate details

Wizzy2007

10-14-07, 22:21

Wizzy,

The 400 I pay is for an all nighter,, usually from 9PM i head out so as to pick them up kinda fresh. I get as far as 10 - noon the following day. which from my experience in Hong Kong where I was for several months based is about 20% of the price.

If you want a badda bing baada boom then it is 150-200 depending on the quality your going for. Me ,,, I only have my cock in something that is 8+ as I am kinda picky.

I picked up a real cuite 2 nights ago ( 17 years -45KGS, CURVY and very very willing) and she literally moved into the Hotel room. I give her 500 every 24 hours and even 2 friends of hers came back to the hotel here last night after we walked around Seibu and went to the Japanese restaurant just around the corner at 3am. One got naked with me and her in the bed and watched and the other fell asleep in the lounge room on the couch

The room I am in is a large Suite with separate lounge area,, great for entertaining and is overlooking Seibu ( got a spectacle last night a 4am when a big fight took off with the group of pimps and SWs over at Seibu) . Room is 500 a night and a fraction of the other 2 adjacent hotels in price.

I have been to Beijing, Shanghai, Jinan, Zhuhai and Hong Kong but in my experience this is by far the best -

PM me if you want any more delicate detailsThanks Dave!

Do you mean Seibu is the area around Panglin across the road to the left?

And what is that 500 rmb hotel? Panglin is a bit more expensive since its a 5 star hotel or do you have a special discount there? .

Also mongering with 17 yrs is allowed in China? .

I will certainly PM you a few weeks before my trip to China.

Seems SZ is worth a visit for every monger.

Wizzy!

Csun213

10-15-07, 16:30

We went to our old soapie massage place located at the pink apartment and found that it is closed. Does anyone know where there is another one?

Master Monger

10-15-07, 18:43

Santa

10-16-07, 08:18

There is one by Seibu and another by the seafood street/ Golden Luo Hu Hotel. 40RMB using baby oil for a jerk off. ONLY 40 RMB don't pay more!!!! 40RMB total!!
Contact me if you want to go!

Master Monger

Our friend Csun is not looking for oily, he is looking for soapy. Suds and bubbles are his fetish.

Daved35

10-16-07, 16:02

it may (or may not) be allowed in china but it isn't allowed to be discussed on this board, according to jackson's rules. if money changes hands it doesn't matter the age, it isn't allowed in china... but if they are **** you could be in a world of hurt with the government. and to make matters worse, you could even be banned from this board!

i'm sure it was a typo and he meant 18... :-)

gmthanks for the correction gaultier , i was pmed on this 2 days ago and forgot to change my typo. as in future i must put down chinese 18.

she is of course of age to tease and please and when on her knees looking up, its hard to not let it all go and slip a typo.

cheers

JuiceGuy

10-16-07, 22:11

I am going to be in Shenzhen (first time) in December. What are the best Chinese online dating services?

Please let me know their urls.

Thanks.

ManonsanBoy

10-16-07, 22:50

Any suggestion for action close to Shenzhen airport. I have an early morning flight.

Thanks

FunForAll

10-17-07, 01:58

I am staying at the Shangri-La Hotel, Shenzhen and need some advice to what might be close as far as KTVs or other mongering.

Thank you from a newbie!

Old Mean Dog

10-17-07, 03:13

I am going to be in Shenzhen (first time) in December. What are the best Chinese online dating services?

Please let me know their urls.

Thanks.

I think this is the wrong website if you are looking for a girlfriend or wife. Here, we normally just fuck 'em and leave 'em.

Otherwise, try match.com or AFF and if you can understand Chinese, QQ Love.

-CPE

Csun213

10-17-07, 04:06

Our friend Csun is not looking for oily, he is looking for soapy. Suds and bubbles are his fetish.

Hey, quit telling all my secrets. Yes, I am still looking for soapie HJ.

Come on guys, someone must know another one beside the Pink apartment?

TangZhen

10-17-07, 04:12

I think this is the wrong website if you are looking for a girlfriend or wife. Here, we normally just fuck 'em and leave 'em.I believe we fuck 'em, PAY 'EM, and leave 'em.

Went by the pink buildings as I had a bit of time to spare, but nothing struck my fancy and I was feeling a bit off, so I passed and exited. On leaving I walked by one of the mamas that I was eager to get off me, and she looked shocked that I left the area in 10 minutes. I joked with her for a minute and she said she could hardly believe it. I guess leaving without playing is a bit rare.

Lastly, I would like to alter any to a cool mall at HuiZhanZhongXing called ZhongXingCheng. It is a nice mall, a bit nicer than CoCo Park, but with less hotties and not quite as nice as WanXiangCheng. But the nice thing is that it is mostly empty. The Pizza Hut and Taco Bell Grande were empty. Easy to get a seat at most of the restaurants. Also has a nice park on the roof of the building.

Soulman

10-17-07, 06:15

I hope you are having a good time in CP!

I returned home to Seattle last Sat, 10/13.

I ended up with 3 girls from Seibu, and all 3 turned out to be nice sessions/service. Lucky I suppose as I had my share of bad lays. One was BBS the day we met before KTV. I picked up 2 girls thru same mommy on 2 nights. The picking was very slim on Fri night when I got there at 11 PM. Picked a girl I checked out night before and she gave very good covered BJ. You got to hurry if you spot a cuti as they disappear! What's the deal with take out service delivery via bicycle anyway?

I prefer to take my time in my hotel room so didn't mind 300 RMB plus taxi since my hotel Intercontinental was 17 Km away. Sure it could be cheaper but I tend to believe you get better service if you don't bargain like locals.

Have a good stay.

Went to SZ partly for work but also holiday. I met with Soulman who took care of me. We went to Seibu at 5 pm. I have been there before in July. I didn't pick any, as I had travelled for 18 hours from Europe to here. We agreed to meet later in the evening for KTV - my first real experience. I have tried the KTV-scams in Beijing and survived partly with all my money.

At 8 pm we went to KTV known by Soulman, selected girls not from the first line up. I had a nice girl, very attentive, sexy teasing. She definitely tried to get to my hotel fast. I had a great time for a couple of hours, then she got suddenly very tired - in the end she fall a sleep. Soulman and I decided to leave, as he was also not so satisfied with his choice.

I went back to the hotel, but I was now in a good mode even that I hadn't slept for more than 24 hours. I went to Seibu picked up a girl at the BBS. Because of my condition (alcohol, no sleep) and her lazy attitude ,I could finish, so we stopped. I payed and went on my way back to the hotel. As I passed the Department store there was the big crowd of young girls, mamasans and pimps. I found one girl but now there was two mamasans controlling her. One mamasan promised the girl for me. The other mamasan wanted the girl for a costumer in Panglin hotel. There was lot of discussion and screaming. I ended of paying 100 RMB to my mamasan to secure the girl for me (I thought). But the other mamasan came in between and forced the girl away. So I lost 100 RMB and a girl. And I couldn't find my mamasan again as I wanted my money back.

The end of the story was I picked another girl. Little older but very GF.

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Schubba

10-17-07, 07:30

Next day I went for a haircut in the afternoon at the Pink Apartment. A nice girl - okay looking washed my hair and gave me head massage for 20 minutes. I nearly falls asleep - so good. Then I got a haircut for 30 RMB and I was satisfied. In my age I don't have so much hair, so it can not go so wrong. When I should pay, the same girl asked me if I wanted some massage. I agreed as I find her very good at the hair washing. We went upstairs into a small room. I was told it was 30 RMB for 1h but if I chose 2h it was 50. I agreed on 2h as I was not busy and why having good massage. She started on my back - the standard massage, but ok. Then after 20 min she asked me to turn over, and then I could hide how much I enjoyed her massage. She quickly saw it and offered HJ - ok, 50 more then down pants. It was so-so no oil or soap was applied, but I was happy in the end. After that she was not interested in more massage, just laying next to mee and watch the TV in the room. But we still had 1½ hour to go. Then I decide to leave after 1 hour and only pay for that. So my cost was 30 RMB for haircut (little more expensive than I used to in Beijing) and 30+50 = 80 for massage + HJ (Beijing level 100 RMB). So for me it was ok.

Scribe

10-17-07, 07:49

I've been PMed regarding the closure of some chicken street bars and where they've moved to.
In the summer, a new cluster of bars appeared very close by, and are easy to find. From the ferry, walk through the grounds of the Nan Hai Hotel. When you exit, don't walk past Red Rooster. Rather, turn right and you'll quickly see the bars. I've attached a couple of daylight pics of them. The girls who work there are always terribly thirsty. The Apple Bar can be recomended for a "behind closed curtains" emptying!

Schubba

10-17-07, 08:19

The other evening at 11 pm. I visited Seibu again. The day before I had seen a nice cute girl in the line up in front of the department store. We made eye contact, but I at that time I was not there for take out, just looking. Perhaps the cute girl would also be there today. And she was, and she recognized me. I agreed with mamasan a LT for 500 RMB and of we went. I offered her some food, but she was not hungry. So we went back to my hotel room. She was really good looking. Nice face, 10% Philippine she told, and good body, slim with medium breast and a nice bum. And she loved having sex. First BBBJ then we did all positions for long time. We relaxed after and took a shower.

Then I found out she was a really WG. She wanted to go and come back later at 7 am for the 2nd act. I was wondering and could not convince her to stay. I knew she was thinking, she could make more money that night with other customers. I didn't want a girl in my room, who didn't want to be there. So I said she could go, but she had to be back 6 am. Then she wanted 300 RMB. I said no way and said she could have 100 now and 350 when she came back. Then she said 200, but I wouldn't change my mind. I got upset and she realized I was not to play with. She was the one, who was breaking the deal. She called mamasan and she took the 100 and left.

Now I had the night for myself. I was also concerned about what the girl had told the mamasan. So I returned to the Seibu again as it is rather close. Also to see if the girl was there. But she was not. I walked around for a while, and then the mamasan spotted me, got angry and ran shouting to some more mamasans and pimps. They (6-7 persons) came back to me. So I was a little nervous, but I want to take confrontation, as I had done anything wrong. It was the girl, who had lied to the mamasan. I was also lucky, one man (Jack Daniel) could remember me, as I had picked one of his girls before and he had also seen me being cheated by a mamasan 2 days before. Also one of the mamasan had seen that (see my previous report). So the group took my words and understood it was the girl who was wrong.

I picked another girl and never saw my 10%-Phillipine again.

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JuiceGuy

10-17-07, 12:33

I think this is the wrong website if you are looking for a girlfriend or wife. Here, we normally just fuck 'em and leave 'em.

Otherwise, try match.com or AFF and if you can understand Chinese, QQ Love.

-CPE

I am looking for the same thing as you! Just don't want to pay for all of it! :)

Old Mean Dog

10-17-07, 13:59

I am staying at the Shangri-La Hotel, Shenzhen and need some advice to what might be close as far as KTVs or other mongering.

Thank you from a newbie!

Walk out the front door of the hotel and turn right towards the McDonalds, you will be assulted by the mommies. You can also flee out the backdoor of the hotel and look straight ahead and you will see the famous Pink Apartments. Anywhere within a 15 minute walk of that hotel you will find mommies, KTV's and massage joints.

-CPE

Daved35

10-17-07, 19:53

Decided that the day was enough on laptop work and went for a walk and Munchies (the food type). Down to a nice Japanese place opposite Macdonalds and then took the scenic route home.

This route reminds me of the richard Harris indian film where he was made run through 2 lines of Indians while they beat the shit out of him with whatever they could lay their hands on. The guy I was with was in a panic and said to me to say the Chinese version of ' were homosexuals' to the mamsans. He aint that way but he gets in a state with being surrounded. I use the term ' like flies on Shit'

I have a little problem in that I am 6"1 and 260lbs and get the stares like as if my flying saucer is around the corner and at times I'm asking for my invisibility cloak.

Anyway, back to the poonanneey. Guys its like kids locked in a sweet shop if you like just like the pussy.

I slowly walked through, much to my friend annoyance and besides offloading about 50 RMB to the kids selling flowers and stuff, I got a fresh one on the Sunshine hotel side.

19, tall and curvy and a deal is done at 1am for 185 RMB for 90 minutes (I'm still here chillin with the window open and I can see her back on patrol on the corner facing SEIBU. What dedication after the pounding she just got) Gold medal at the olympics for the marathon some of these girls would get. Hell, I paid 230 RMB at the Sushi house for fish smelling pussy and I got the perfumed type at less

If my mates back home had this street when we were in our 20s I doubt they would ever have been seen again, lost in temptaion and killed by exhaustion.

Night Gents

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Daved35

10-17-07, 20:51

Gents

Just got a new phone and dammed if i can set the picture for clarity.

Anyhow Will try and get a better pic tomorrow and in the bottom left are 3 bits of talent with my midnight snack back down there on patrol.

FunForAll

10-18-07, 01:44

Thanks. Wht do the KTV s offer? Is the Seibu dept store far?

Thanks again. Heading there soon!

Johnny Chan

10-18-07, 13:30

I am thinking about relocating to Shenzhen at the end of this month. As I don't know my way around the city at all, any help would be greatly appreciated. I am not tied to any specific area or district, but would prefer a reasonably priced 1 BR in a safe/guarded community at a fairly convenient location (near or easy access to subway would be ideal).

1. What is the best way to find something within a day or two? If I should go with an agent, can you recommend some to me or tell me how/where to find them?

2. Can you recommend some areas to look in specifically, that meet my criteria of reasonably priced, safe and somewhat convenient? Do I need to look for agents located in these areas?

3. What should I expect in terms of rental rate, deposit, agent fees, lease terms, condition of property/furniture, etc? I would like to start off with a short term lease, either month to month or for 3 months, is this possible?

Any information, posted or sent via PM, is appreciated! Thanks a lot!

JackTheLad2

10-18-07, 14:48

She is a cracker in my book! Looks good - nice make-up.
Does she speak any English?
Am visiting HK in December and SZ in March (separate trips). I would not mind meeting her. Any information on her?
Would I just have to walk about as you did to hopefully find her.

Chris Morgan

10-18-07, 15:49

I've just arrived, and staying at the Four Point Hotel. A lot posher than I imagined.

What does a guy have to do to find companion for ST or LT around here. And do posh hotels stop girls coming up to the rooms when accompanied? Don't want to embarrass ourselves.

Any advice for a newby in town would be warming received.

Yelopan

10-19-07, 07:02

Jhony Walker

10-19-07, 17:03

Hi to all brothers of SZ,

This is my bad experience in SZ.

Never go along with some one so call mommy which bring you to the WL, just go direct to the WL, mommy will get more then the WL so bad attitude and service will be provided. Price will be RMB150 if you go direct with the WL it will be she is getting RMB130 and RMB20 for who bring her (OKT). If you go with a mommy who bring you to her it will be RMB150 but she will get only RMB50 and RMB20 goes to the OKT and RMB 80 to the mommy lead you to her. It is not need to have some one to bring you to the WL as they are all at the alley of the pink apartment, just walk around the apartment you will see them all lining up.

My story

Stay in pink apartment RMB 100, walking around the alley and a mommy come along claming she have WL, I agree with her to have a look so she lead me to her apartment walking all the way up to 5th floor and saw an empty room (a big [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off) . She said wait for 3 minuits she will call the WL, I said no and walk away but she just follow me all the way till I see those WL then she said just pick any of them. I pick one from Shanxi around 20 years old and the mommy said RMB150 and pay there, I said I’ll pay to the WL after the job is done. On the way back to my hotel I can see the WL was not happy compare with the time I make eyes contact with her so I ask what wrong with her and the above story was tell (she is [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off with the mommy too) and the job was SOP and nothing much to tell.

My POV is system in SZ is difference from CP which WL is attached with OKT but not to mommy that wait at the road side or along the alley. Any mommy try to contact with you just send them off, they are the bold sucker of the WL and no help at all to us.

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Old Mean Dog

10-20-07, 04:16

Hello,

I am new to the boards but have done some 'research' on here and will be heading into SZ for a day or two beginning of Nov.

I was wondering if anybody knows anything about these hotels. They are all in the Luohu area but not so sure how close to Seibu they are. If you can help me out and let me know if they are Girl Friendly and a decent location or which one you'd recommend it would be greatly appreciated.

Golden Lustre Hotel

Shanshui Fashion Hotel

Metropark Hotel

Empire Hotel

Also, does 'CP' mean Crowne Plaza? I searched the boards and couldn't find an answer.

Thanks all,

Ye Lo Pan

I think the Metropark Hotel would be best as it is kind of across from Dongmen Shopping Area, a few blocks from the Seibu Area and is a pretty nice hotel. Shanshui has 2 hotels in SZ, one is near the train station while the other is in Futian District. Golden Lustre is not such a nice hotel but is a tad bit closer to Seibu. I have no idea where the Empire Hotel is.

Good Luck,

-CPE

Weelock

10-20-07, 07:04

What's up? I was hoping someone could knew anything about Jiangmen, Guangdong. I am new to this city and will be here for an extended period of time. Are there any good BBS areas or numbers to local girls who are up for all nights FS?

Cheers.

Welcome Yelopan. Please provide good info first, before expecting senior members to share their best info with you. I am sure you will have plenty of things to share about Jiangmen.

Hello Yelopan,

Since you have been in Jiangmen for almost 2 month now, have you found anything interesting? If so, please post them in South China, All Other Areas. Thanks...

Eaglestar

10-20-07, 12:14

WOW very nice OWL. Wish she was Shanghaiese, or at least in Shanghai

ES

Yelopan

10-20-07, 13:46

Bounce Around

10-20-07, 15:50

Hello All,

Finally back in SZ, got in tonight after taking a 3 hour bus ride from GZ; actually cheaper than flying into HK and taking the ferry.

Didn't get a chance to change much RMB yet as the damn hotel doesn't exchange. Just going to a regular footie before I head off to bed. Am staying in Hua Qiang Bei.

Will have tomorrow 21st free, afternoon/evening and into the night, wouldn't mind a reasonable party with BBS girls and KTV if seasoned mongers go along.

Flying to Shanghai tomorrow, back in SZ for a few more days of mongering on the 26th.

PM me if you'd like to hook up. Would like to hang out with OWL, CPExpat or MM, Dan Hawaii, etc. I don't know you, love your work.

Weelock

10-20-07, 20:42

Wish I could post some reports. But I have nothing to add. I have posted about ZHuhai and Guangzhou. Jiangmen has nothing and I am trying to keep it my safe haven. Just for work otherwise I would get nothing done.

I'll start to look around so I can reciprocate the help I have received from the boards.

Ye lo Pan

Actually there are a few places in Jiangmen. There are all spread out at different locations. I have been to a few, saunas and BBS. I cannot really give accurate directions, sorry, because my friend was showing me around. As I posted in a reply to you, just get on a motorcycle and ask the guy to show your around. That's the cheapest way. You can also ask a taxi. Again, Jiangmen is NOT a great place for mongering.

I'm not in China..............replying to your e-mail.

For the price of oil at 85USD to 90USD a barrel, the price of airfares is going up. It's going to be more expensive traveling.

Bounce Around

10-21-07, 12:50

So, my options were going to the health center building near Intercon (check my earlier report) for a full treatment, troll the BBS alley or call room service. I was lazy, and decided to try room service, the really cute girl I got my footie from last night.

Call her up, she wants 800! Seems like I'll be going to the BBS alley. Got her down to 600, I was holding for 500; not a bargain but the same price as spa service and previous room services in other places. Mechanical service, no oral even though I was willing to be the one to give, no pics. But what a cutie, a definite 9 on looks and body, smooth skin, small pert boobs, with nice nips, young too, early 20s. A bit apprehensive about my size, but once its in she gets nice and wet and enjoys it. Wouldn't change positions, so keep pounding. Not a gf, but I just wanted to do her since I saw her last night, eh. Should have had a take away three some from Siebu! At least I got somewhat of a massage before hand.

Will wait for your PM OWL/MM other mongers. Leaving for shanghai tomorrow 14:00 back on 26th. Will skip the famous Shanghai hotel spa service for a bbs+KTV or sheku bar night here. We can meet up for a beer or something before hand, my treat.

On an upnote I placed my very first suit order in Lohu today. 600 for a linen suit, one jacket two pants. I had done some research indicating this was reasonable. They wanted 120 for the shirts. Which seemed high.

Krum Lov

10-21-07, 15:15

Hi mate,

Have you been back to to soapie place in Pink Apts yet? I hope it hasn't closed for good! Let me know.

Thanks,

Krum

Infomatic

10-21-07, 18:38

OWL,

she is bankrolling 9600 rmb (plus tips from naive fools). 9600 rmb a month on the part-time plan, is a great salary for any girl in Shenzhen, even those that work 40-60 hours a week in a real job.

CPEAbsolutely correct - and to be more precise here the exact figure:

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200608/25/eng20060825_296852.html

(2006)
Per Capita Monthly Income:
Beijing 1,822 RMB

OldAsiaHand

10-21-07, 23:39

OWL,

Some of us living here or staying for extended periods of time may get a bit hardened by doing so many of these girls on a regular basis. Yes, some of them do pretend better than others (GFE). Most of the time this is because they are looking for tips or repeat business. This is just good business practice and many are clever enough to use this strategy.

If you want to live out your fantasies in China and report them on the board it is your perogative. It is an open forum.

But, please do not attack the senior members for their POV. I think we know a little more about reality than you do.

Just my POV.

OAH

Fast Eddie 48

10-22-07, 00:40

I went to Sha tsui village last week and check out the actions around 4.pm they are making a mini come back , I have been there 3 times since the big crack down this is the first time I taking a girl a tall girl from chongqing find her in a salon doing her make up she ask for 150 rmb for st ok bbbj but very rush service , there are about 6 house with 5 girl each most are only 5-6 and older than in the past and most girl are not on display need to go up to apartment to get a line up .

I hope this place will get better and better ,I saw most business ktv and sauna are still closed but I think the days of 1000 girl running around the village is in the past seibu bbs is still the top in Shenzhen right now .

Fast eddie 48

Bold Focker

10-22-07, 01:06

If I am not mistaken, CP stands for "Chang Ping" a town in the Donggaun area. Read the donggaun Thread!

Did you find out about hotels. I was considering having a overnight stop in Shenzhen, and wanted a hotel near Seibu. When I looked into it, these hotels are 60 km away from airport. So I would still need a long taxi ride as my flight arrives at 22:15 and all public transport has stopped. So I will probably now get taxi straight to lucky hotel in Chang ping.

Depending on how I get on in CP, I may have a couple of night in shenzhen before my return flight from HGK. Will I get hotel in this area for 200 rmb?

Hello,

I am new to the boards but have done some 'research' on here and will be heading into SZ for a day or two beginning of Nov.

I was wondering if anybody knows anything about these hotels. They are all in the Luohu area but not so sure how close to Seibu they are. If you can help me out and let me know if they are Girl Friendly and a decent location or which one you'd recommend it would be greatly appreciated.

Golden Lustre Hotel

Shanshui Fashion Hotel

Metropark Hotel

Empire Hotel

Also, does 'CP' mean Crowne Plaza? I searched the boards and couldn't find an answer.

Thanks all,

Ye Lo Pan

Csun213

10-22-07, 03:18

Hi mate,

Have you been back to to soapie place in Pink Apts yet? I hope it hasn't closed for good! Let me know.

Thanks,

Krum

The Soapie place have closed. We have looked hard for another Soapie Massage around the Pink apartment and other places. We have decided that there are no more soapie HJ places in SZ. I would appreciate it if anyone knows if one exists however no one have responded to my previous post.

Weelock

10-22-07, 03:32

I remember the first time OWL went to China, in just 3-4 weeks he thought he was an expert. Some of the stories ( posts ) sounded totally exaggerated and fantasized. He was busted on a few occasions. The pictures on a naked KTV was one occasion. One member said OWL was added to his ignore list. There might be a few others.

Someone also wrote, the forum will not be the same without his opinion. There will be nobody to rage on because the forum was getting dull. :)

Bounce Around

10-22-07, 04:01

I think people sometime read too much into things. This is of course a board for what we do, and though it may be genial and koombaya most of the time society may think it sociopathic at one extreme while this venue makes it seem more permissive and acceptable. Oldest profession and all that jazz aside; I'm sure all of us having mongered even a little bit try to justify the act sometimes of not having a real g/f by comparing the cost of 'dinner and a movie' with the cost of P4P.

Now, in my opinion, cheap sex being so readily available here and practically all the hotels I have been to with saunas or health centers offering this service fairly openly including at places where no foriegner generally stays or visits, says that what we do is ok. Its a way of life; certainly you can get a pro in Pakistan or Afghanistan as well, but not by simply walking down the street (generally speaking! ).

The ladies are there for what ever reason your mind wants to perscribe; would it make a difference to you if one you saw was a 9 and was in bondage and had to smile or one who was there because basic calculus was a bit boring, you'd do what you have to do.

The service we get is based on the attitude and 'game' we bring to the table in addition to the workers skills or attitude, once money is settled. IMHO that is a fact that transcends national boundaries and skin colors.

So, it makes us feel like kings when they smile and bow at saunas or KTVs or when you wake up in the morning and the WG takes the initiative to make your bed and even clean your house (I don't know if thats just a Dubai thing or a filipina/Chinese thing; some just want to drink your liquor).

Sometimes ALL of us want the feeling that this is more than just a transaction, I've read enough posts on here by practically everyone suggesting some romantic sensibility in the act.

I don't think anyone would judge a people by the prostitutes in any grand sense but as humans we do tend to judge (and hold dear) a place and its people by our experiences. Thats what tourism boards try to promote the world over. So, if one guy wants to write about his experiences in a long winded and romantic sense who are we to judge, we all pay for this service.

BUT, in the same vein when you make public a view be prepared to be judged, and critiqued.

Have fun, back in Shenzhen on 26th!

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Santa

10-22-07, 04:49

The Soapie place have closed. We have looked hard for another Soapie Massage around the Pink apartment and other places. We have decided that there are no more soapie HJ places in SZ. I would appreciate it if anyone knows if one exists however no one have responded to my previous post.

Looks like you had better bring your own soapie supplies to a shop and teach them how to use them, then you can post the new location to ensure they have plenty of customers for the new service.

How do you ask for "soapie HJ service", in pinyin? Would it be "wash the aeroplane", xi3 fei1ji1 ?

We will name the new place "The Csun Soapie Shop" in your honour. :D

Old Mean Dog

10-22-07, 11:47

across the street near the small hospital that is next to the hotel is a group of mommies that tout their girls. I have never pulled from there but maybe someone who has can report on it?

-CPE

Bounce Around

10-22-07, 18:48

Hi Kranky, (and other mongers)

(OWL Sorry to hear you're out)

I will be in SZ on the 26th. Would like to troll the Siebu area... but really would like to check out the KTV, sheku bar scene with some experienced mongers.

PM me for info, i'll be staying in Nanshan at the seaview. We can meet for a beer or something before hand, my treat.

If you don't have PM capability, please pay the subscription, its not a lot compared to what you spend (or save) via this board.

Hua Ge

10-22-07, 19:00

Hey dear Wing Low!

SOrry to hear that you are already out of SZ and back home!

I hoped to profit from your on spot guidance when I lan dthere next month.

BTW would you please clarify your statement that Seibu girls being discriminative? DOes that mean if some one is say black, he stands no

Chance of gettting laid down in SZ? . Of course I have some black pals who would love coming to SZ for end of year festies and stay at Panglin.

Thanks an dgreat to read your adventures.

WIzzy2007!W2k7,

I am of Chinese descent and I find my ethnic culture to be discriminatory even within its own race and more so with laowai (white foreigners) and any waiguoren (polite term for outside foreigner). I don't mean to offend a black brother reading this post but I do not believe. Heiren (black man) mongers will not do very well in China. At least 9 out of 10 xiaojies will cry "wo bu zuo" (I am not doing it|) or tell the Mommy "wo bu xihuan heiren" (I don't like black man) or "wo pa heiren" (I am afraid of black man) and the Mommy will not force her to. Part of it is skin color; Chinese like the lighter tones, (however laowai is considered extreme bai (white) kekeke but usually still workable;.) The discrimination increases the darker the skin tone goes. If a xiaojie decides to take on the challenge of a heiren (is assumed that heiren is hung like a horse) then she is going to demand more kuai or give the most basic service. Most of the xiaojies in SZ have not seen or been with a heiren before and they will be scared of the unknown. There will be a few xiaojies that will do a heiren but his selection will be much lower than a laowai and a price premium will be demanded. (I have seen this in Macau. Lisboa Racetrack). A heiren may have slightly better luck in a larger city like Shanghai, Beijing, Hong Kong, Macau where more pros are found.

POV

Wadman

10-22-07, 20:09

Finally, I would have to respectfully disagree with CPex's comment that these girls are lazy. These girls wanna make the most amount of money possible and no factory job (in China at least, unless you're banging the boss) is going to provide more than compensation than working as a hooker. I personally don't see this as laziness. The factory worker has a fixed salary with very little upside. This reflects in the factory worker's performance. While I haven't dealt with factory workers in Southern China personally, I have in other parts of China. I personally find those people lazier than the working girls. You can sit on your *ss all day doing nothing and you won't lose your job, because there is a labor shortage. If you lose your job all you need to do is find some troublemakers (still plenty of unemployed dudes out there, ie. The laziest of the lazy) and create a ruckus at the factory. Even just the threat of this doesn't make it worth the factory managers effort to fire you.

This is certainly NOT the situation with factory workers in Southern China!

First of all, there really isn't a labour shortage, but there is an increase in wages. 5 years ago, the salary for an unskilled labourer was 400 rmb/month, it's 800-1000 rmb now. Some factory bosses are still out to lunch on this one, and try to offer salary closer to 400 rmb than the current 800-1000. Needless to say no one shows up to apply for the job (save for the rejects that nobody wants). Offer the going salary with reasonable working conditions, and there are plenty of workers.

As for firing workers...
If a factory decides to fire a worker, there is very little he can do about it. There are no labour laws (none that are actually enforced) like in the west. If a factory/company owes its employees back wages, then it will likely have a fight on its hands. But as for firing someone, the boss can fire you just because he doesn't like the look of your face.

Wadman

10-22-07, 20:26

my definition of gfe is:
- she pretends to like you in a romantic way
- have passionate sex, just like a gf, not as work (pretend to anyway...)
- does other activities (preferably initiated by her) that are not part of the screwing e.g. playing cards, cuddle tightly if you get her lt, feeds you and peels your shrimp for you if you take her for a meal, washing your clothes, etc.

gfe is not:
- she is polite
- she is friendly in a casual way

because sometimes you can get politeness and casual friendliness from a store clerk, waitress, etc. and surely nobody is suggesting this is gfe stuff.

using this definition, gfe from seibu girls is very close to zero. sometimes you may get some playfulness that may be construed as gfe.

the moaning and thrashing they do is used to make you finish faster. so they can go back to the shop faster, and turn the next trick faster. dunno how many tricks they average per day, but it's work for them. you are deluding yourself if you think they actually enjoy it.

and these girls are not as new or innocent as you may think (well, compare to tijiuana chicks maybe...). never mind what the mommies say..."she is new! just arrived, only 2 days on the job..."

Santa

10-22-07, 21:17

The moaning and thrashing they do is used to make you finish faster.

You are deluding yourself if you think they actually enjoy it.

And these girls are not as new or innocent as you may think

Never mind what the mommies say..."she is new! .."

Wadman, your logic and understanding is appreciated. Thanks!

What is GFE? When I'm with a hooker I pretend I'm crazy about her and she is the best. I think it helps me and her perform. But I know I'm only pretending and that she is only a rental, as soon as she leaves the room I no longer give a shit about her. I think she's just another hooker! She is deluding herself if she thinks otherwise. It works both ways.

Prices. I think they try to charge caucasians more for two reasons. #1 Racial discrimination. #2 Because the behavior is often reinforced. Caucasians often do pay the higher asking price, but most asian guys will walk away.

I have been away for a while but will be back in China soon.

Weelock

10-23-07, 01:07

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Prices. I think they try to charge caucasians more for two reasons. #1 Racial discrimination. #2 Because the behavior is often reinforced. Caucasians often do pay the higher asking price, but most asian guys will walk away.

I have been away for a while but will be back in China soon.

Actually, in my opinion, they will look at you and check you out. They will see how you are dress, walk and talk. If they think they can charge more, they will do it. This is even true for Asian guys especially Asian foreigners.

BTW, It really helps if you look like a BLT. A BLT, Brad, Leo or Tom the girls everywhere will go after you, freebies everywhere including China.

S Times

10-23-07, 06:55

Could the difference in opinion and reaction simply the attitude of the working girls towards the 2 people paying for services. And their belief of the potential outcomes.

The working girls attitude towards the Chinese patron reflects her thinking that there is a possibility of a longterm relationship whereby she becomes a mistress or a "2nd wife." Granted the Chinese patron has to be a business man or someone that presents themselves well. Even though this is a business deal, she believes there are long term gains. Or as simple as she believes thats what Chinese guys want.

The working girls attitude towards the non-Chinese patron reflects her thinking that this is a short term deal only. She's thinking he's only interested in getting Chinese poontang and she will never see him again. Get as much as she can now and not bother with it. Although not good for repeat customers, she doesn't expect to have repeat customers thats non-chinese any ways.

Also remember all of the typical working girls are short timers, we monger a lot longer than she will be working. She, therefore will get as much as she can, as fast as she can.

Having mongered in Europe, Asia and America, I can say American working girls are the worst. Talk about not putting in the effort.

Santa

10-23-07, 07:58

The working girls attitude towards the Chinese patron reflects her thinking that there is a possibility of a longterm relationship

The working girls attitude towards the non-Chinese patron reflects her thinking that this is a short term deal only.

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Depends on which group of girls we are talking about. Freelance, ktv, or barbershop. BBS girls know who they are and what they are, HOOKERS!

The chinese patrons know the prices and speak the language, so they pay local prices and probably get better service.

Many caucasians and some ABCs don't have a clue and the BBS girls know that, so these girls ask us for more and give less.

Freelancers and ktv girls might be thinking the way S-Times suggests, "maybe I can marry him or have him longterm".

Zeven

10-23-07, 17:34

I am goint to the Seibu area tomorrow, Wednesday. Any one want to joint. I think I will go there around 19:00.

Was at Seibu today, for the first time in my life (came to Shenzhen 2 days ago and had the first one from the massage parlour at my hotel. Pavilion hotel). The mamasan (man) followed me 4 floors up, I thought we would never end the climbing of stairs. Then three girls came, I said "No, I want them smaller and thinner"; then three other girls came, all of them was a bit "fat" and too high, so I said "No" again and was about to leave. Then mamasan spoke in his walkie talkie and I understood that even more girls would come. I started to feel embarrased, saying no to 6 girls already. (If they are not 8+ I can't have them, I have had too many in my life to accept less than 8+). Then 2 girls came and the last one was small, thin and very nice.

The girl was in really good mood, smiling with her whole face, kidding and we had a good time. After shower it was the usual thing and then some minutes in bed only making cosy noices. She was very warm.

Any one had bad experiences at Seibu regarding problems from the boys in the street? Is it safe to wander in that area at 1-2 am alone? (I am European)

Eggsalad

10-24-07, 09:17

Old Mean Dog

10-24-07, 09:53

Hello Gentlemen

I am considering a trip to S. China soon and would appreciate some help. I can usually be found on the Pattaya and AC threads. But I think it is time I gave China a try. I'm considering between Zhuhai, Shenzhen and Changping of course. I've done quite a lot of reading already. Now I have some specific questions.

1. If you had to pick just one of these cities, which will it be and why? (I don't like to move around much once I get there)

2. I will most likely be traveling alone. Will this be a problem? Most reports I read are from guys who go in groups? Why is that? BTW, I am a native Mandarin speaker but I have live in the US for over 25 years and my Chinese is rusty.

3. The KTV's sound interesting but it sounds like you need to go in a group?

4. I'm considering visiting in Feb. I know this is early but I like to do my homework. How is the weather at that time of year?

Thanks in advance.

Egg

I think it depends on what you want to do while you are here. If you just wanna fuck all day and get drunk every night then I suggest CP because outside of those two, there ain't shit all else to do there. If your flying solo, KTV and golf can be a burden if you can't even find another partner to join you.

If you want to do some sightseeing and soak up some culture while having a good time, I strongly suggest Zhuhai first and Shenzhen second. Zhuhai is a tourist, fun place and Macao and it's casinos are right there. Shenzhen only has 25 years of history, so not much historical attractions, but you can busy yourself in the city exploring or take a day trip to HK.

Personally, I would suggest you do Zhuhai, and spend a night or two in CP during your trip.

Good Luck,

-CPE

Tile Man4

10-24-07, 15:46

And maybe some should buy a personal diary to write about their fantasies and exaggerations instead of broadcasting it to the whole world.

-CPE

ISG is nothing but a broadcasting forum and yes there is a lot of exaggeration. We all just need to be smart enough to sort out the shit.

Take care CPE and you ALL be safe

tile man

Crazier

10-25-07, 04:30

I have been here for most of the past 10 years and have received my MBA in Chinese culture the hard way and am still learning.

LA

LA,

The person who stops learning stops growing ya!

Does anything ever stay the same anywhere?

Hard knocks are the best lessons too.

C.

Old Mean Dog

10-25-07, 10:47

No disagreement here, buddy. I am the cheer leading section for that comment.

You certainly feel at home behind the wheel driving in Shenzhen and that is one that I cannot bring myslef to do. Now, if I can only wean you of that damn "Man Bag" you carry all your cigars in.

-CPE

LoveAsia

10-25-07, 13:18

You certainly feel at home behind the wheel driving in Shenzhen and that is one that I cannot bring myslef to do. Now, if I can only wean you of that damn "Man Bag" you carry all your cigars in.

-CPE

Allow me one of the few vices I have left...cigars!

Bounce Around

10-26-07, 05:14

Hi all, am back in SZ in Nanshan at the Seaview. I had to stay here for business, but now that is over, i thought about moving to a diff hotel closer to Siebu, but really don't want to bother. Anyone else having problems connecting to hotmail? didn't have a problem in Shanghai.

Anyone want to hang out, senior mongers or regulars with good KTV experience and chinese speakers? I have never been to a KTV (except for the sham one in Shanghai) and am willing to share in a reasonable experience, i can handle my bourbon, not a beer drinker, but also don't want to get totally s***faced. Let me know.

Anyone know if the Siebu girls will come this far on their own, if i leave 5 mins before them?

Regards,

BA

Bounce Around

10-26-07, 05:32

Anyone stay here before? Whats the action like in KTV or Bar downstairs.
When I checked in a few days ago, at around 10:00pm a girl got in the elevator with me, in english she asked Hi, how was I. I was tired she asked if I wanted a massage, I said no. I've made a pact with myself to not pull from the hotel this time and visit Siebu. She was dressed in street clothes but not flashy like the KTV girls.

I did call for a massage last night. 100RMB for 45 mins. I had walked a lot with my two charges. A girl in sweats came to the room. Decent massage. I went for 90 mins. After that she automatically started touching me, and then wrote down a price of 800 while imitating a HJ, I laughed my ass off, she kept massaging there and kept lowering the price, came down to 200+100, I really wasn't in the mood, though some info for all you readers out there. She wouldn't do full service or oral or undress, I didn't try to feel her up, not my thing.

A lot of cute Chinese girls staying here too.

Daved35

10-27-07, 03:06

Gents

My advice on budget room is the Lotus Hotel.

The Lotus is the same building as the 5 star SUNSHINE Hotel and is directly opposite SEIBU. A good 40m + room is about 230 RMB a night and a 80m room 500.

Comparing that to a Suite in the SUNSHINE at 1700 and a view right at SEIBU its the best value.

The ladies are at the front door of the Hotel and in the time it takes for you to get your breath leaving the lobby you will have them at you.

I have a pimp who i got within the first 2 nights here and a simple Text to say " young and beautiful wanted now" is all I need. like pizza delivery without the anchovies, delivered straight to the room. All from 7+

Price 200 for 1 hour - 320 for 2 and from 400 - 550 overnight ( 10 pm to 10 am), some have even stayed watchin DVDs and chillin all day and going for a spot to eat with me at no extra cost for an afternoon pumping. Although I do throw them a 'tip'.

I now even have 2 freebies ( 7+, Chinese 18s) who will show up and take a Shower and relax and 'advise' me to hop on if I wish. And I do .

Question, How do I retrie here?

To Bounce Around,

Guangshen hotel at shennan rd is only one block form Seibu that is the hotel that OWL stay in 260 rmb a night but small room and no in room safe ,I think it is a good vaule place and close so we can bring girl back .

www.gshotel.com
2023 east shennan rd 0755-82354378

Fast eddie 48

Old Mean Dog

10-27-07, 03:34

Guangshen hotel at shennan rd is only one block form Seibu that is the hotel that OWL stay in 260 rmb a night but small room and no in room safe ,I think it is a good vaule place and close so we can bring girl back.

I thought OWL said he only stays at the 5 Star Panglin Hotel?

-CPE

Fast Eddie 48

10-27-07, 03:46

I thought OWL said he only stays at the 5 Star Panglin Hotel?

-CPEto CPE,

I think OWL is no longer a newbie he is now a expert no longer over paid , he now shop at Seibu bbs and stay at 3 star hotel I also hear him tell the mamasan 200 rmb for ST is too much he is learning fast and no longer are getting rip off at ktv and bar for 1200 rmb for over nighter .

Fast eddie 48

Bounce Around

10-27-07, 07:08

To Bounce Around,

Guangshen hotel at shennan rd is only one block form Seibu that is the hotel that OWL stay in 260 rmb a night but small room and no in room safe ,I think it is a good vaule place and close so we can bring girl back .

www.gshotel.com
2023 east shennan rd 0755-82354378

Fast eddie 48Thanks for the hotel info; i do know of a decent place in Hua Qiang Bei and much more secure where there is an outside elevator that by-passes the lobby, and also cheap between 250-350 per night: Chicago Suites Hotel, but i just didn't want to move from this place, hassle and all; i should have though.

Last night was in Siebu, not too impressed by the quality, but certainly the numbers were there at around 10:30, pretty easy to find. Saw no foriegners and only one or two Asians. Generally a luke warm reception; probably was just me.

I generally had a hard time negotiating and convincing them to come upto Nanshan which is about a 30min metro ride one way, so they wanted 200 some agreed to 150, but generally they were not agreeing to the 50RMB and 100RMB split. One mamasan (fat woman) with about three girls generally 5-7 range did agree to send two upto the hotel for 300; and agreed on the 100 now 200 later, but then also wanted 20 more for transportation, which was also okay with me, 'cause the rate works out with the distance.

When it came to explaining to send them to my hotel at 12 midnight and room number, all the numbers on the cell phone got so confusing to them that they didn't understand... i guess i could have left with them right then and there but dreaded the walk of shame in the hotel, moreover i just didn't feel comfortable with the mongering and so i passed.

The whole mongering thing is just getting a bit old, by myself i think. I will go again today to Lohou for some shopping and then might do a daytime on premesis type of deal. Am still available tonight (later 10-11pm) or tomorrow.

Wizzy2007

10-27-07, 10:53

Hey OWL!

Many thanks for your accurate and useful reports.

I really appreciate your valuable contributions.

BTW what does "freebie" exactly means? DOes that mean a free gf or something like new bie? Please clarify.

Thanks again.

Wizzy

Bounce Around

10-28-07, 18:53

Well, being a day of rest I wanted to get some R&R.

After an afternoon in hua qiang bei, and a bad golf equipment deal I went to the golden coast sauna (755 26902888). Got a VIP room for the steam and shower only 168RMB(different from the shower/massage option 398RMB) took a nice long steam and then got a foot massage 68 and a back massage 68. This is a very nice place, I reported earlier on two different saunas in Nanshan, this one didn't offer a full service option right off the bat, but at the end of the massages (which were painfull but great) she motioned for a HJ (I think either by her or by someone else) any case I didn't partake. I have to stress this was a very classy place, expensive yes, but worth it. Would take clients there. Maybe I will explore more, there is another sauna I noticed behind the 'City Inn' in the row of resturaunts.

I have to say a bit about OCT, if I were to move to Shenzhen, I would want to live here (or possibly in the Mangrove) Its a very calm, quiet and beautiful area. I am in the 'Seaview' hotel, next to it is the 'City Inn' and next to that is the Goldencoast, right opposite Intercon and Splendid China. Behind my hotel is the walmart and a row of resturaunts, shops, etc.

After the massages I had some dinner packed from the seafood resturaunt in the 'City Inn' building. Very good, crab, beef steak, scallops, etc. My day of rest is great. I had planned to go to Shekou tonight to check out the bars, but it being a weeknight and me getting lazy after coming to the hotel I called up the 'pimp' whose number I got from Daved35 (post below).

He was very responsive and good english skills; apparently he goes to the BBS or SW areas and picks out girls. After I had thought he had already sent a girl he called me asking if a certain girl was ok. I said yes, he said my location it would take 40 minutes to get there, eventually after a lot of waiting they did get here. I get a call from him saying to come down and get the girl, I say just send her up to my room. In a few minutes I get a call from reception saying my 'friend' miss lee should be sent up to my room, I say yes.

I should mention it is midnight now. So appropriate for this type of hotel. Then I get a call from the 'pimp' saying some issue with security and some guys outside.

Anyway eventually the girl gets to my room. What a body, big tatas, real! VERY good choice. A good face, young, frizzy hair, Daved35 says the girls he got from this guy were high ranking and I would say so. I'd give her an 8-9 on looks. Dressed normal, not like Siebu girls who often just thrown on a jacket and agree to come with you.

She was enthusiastic, but seemed very down to business, just wanted to lie down and do it. I took my time. DATY was given and enjoyed, moisture level didn't increase too much, very nice muff. Then with her on top, she was showing signs of pain, then with me on top, also more signs of pain (I can tell when they are real or not) any way I keep going and change pace, she seems to have 'contractions'. Me, I am no where near finishing, she offers doggy, so we go at it then. Any way other than not getting BBBJ, and some performance issues it was a good experience.

The deal was for 250, which I agreed to. But I didn't have change and neither did she! :.) of course. So I gave 300. For dialup room service with an interpreter, in this part of the city it seems fair, at least the 250 part. I had told him I would pay less than 250 next time if I take regularly from him.

After she leaves I get a call from the guy asking if I was satisfied. I said, ehhh. He says, yes, I think its because the girl has only been here 4 days. In retrospect that seems an apt reason for the performance lapse, but I would have to take it with a grain of salt. She did seem very lets do this and let me go type, but not in the school of hard knocks way, so who knows?

Anyway, the pimp says not to stay here next time, and I tell him for mongering next time I will stay at my other hotel in hua qiang bei, he says good. Then he says there is some Mafia in my hotels' area and some guys approached him and gave him a hard time outside the hotel knowing he was delivering a WG, he had to give them 50RMB. My hotel is right at the metro stop, so if I have him pull for me tomorrow (I have an order for two, with lesbian tendencies brewing) so I will meet the WG at the metro and take them in myself.

Maybe I will go to lohou and meet him and pick with him translating and have him send them over.

Point of the story: This is a reasonable charge for his services (which are for real) IMHO; especially if I can get him&her combo down to 200 with delivery to Nanshan, and before 11:00 pm with the metro working shouldn't be too much of an issue.

Something for other Chinese challenged mongerers to consider when they can't hook up with bros and are alone in Shenzhen.

It was a risk going into the deal not knowing credibility rather relying on my 4-star hotel and security, but worth it in the end, I can verify. For all that is worth, YMMV.

From my experience, Sauna FS will cost you at least 600+. This way if he gets down to 200, you have enough money left over for a real sauna and massage, or a few more shots. I think he could arrange LT for about 500/600, will look into that. If I am f'ing up the pricing scheme please don't flame, because bear in mind I am paying for a third party as well, which in many mongering circles with newbies hooking up with seniors kinda works the same way (sometimes). No offense intended.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

TheGun

10-28-07, 22:37

In life, people take things different ways. What one person thinks is ok, is insulting to another or is offensive. Some people have thick skin, some don't. Some are sarcastic, some are not.

I think that most people on here have the same thoughts in mind without causing any harm.

Me, I appreciate all of the reports and input.

Have a safe and happy day!

C

S Times

10-29-07, 07:07

Do you have the stores name for the suits?

I Paid 600 for one linen suit: 3 pieces (1 jacket, 2 pants) on the 5th floor, i have the card of the place. Also 850 for a wool/cashmere blend really nice for 4 pieces (1 jacket, 2 pants, and a vest). The material for the wool one is really nice, very light, and very similar to a Zegna i bought in OC; went in for a fitting yesterday and it was looking good, will see how the final product holds up.

Sorry to have missed you. Will be leaving SZ on 31st and back again second week of november, will hit up MM then. Next time still i'd rather stay in Hua Qiang Bei at the hotel i mentioned earlier, very nice big rooms, with internet less than <350 per night, hotel safe and all that, no breakfast.

I guess i was getting good prices in Siebu if you were paying 200 ST to hotel that is five minutes away. from the fat mamasan (first shop in the second or third row) i was getting 320 to my hotel (for 2 girls on a friday night 10:30pm) which is the second to last metro stop. most others wanted 200, but a lot were very reluctant. I would have gone for it, but the whole process of explaining things to them got my mood turned off.

Stay safe, BA

Bounce Around

10-29-07, 08:31

Do you have the stores name for the suits?Ask for Zhulie.

Bounce Around

10-29-07, 14:28

Called up the guy again today around 3:00pm. Told him to send an older (25-27) girl at 5:00, looks unimportant attitude more important. Eventually the girl shows up at 6:00, looks about a 6 not beautiful, pretty with a petite little body, no boobs but nice big dark nips, again this one was very amaturish, not as amateur as last night, but still not adept in the BJ department (uncovered licking no deep throat), all other attitude was good. We had a good time, she finished as did I. She seemed very happy with the experience and I enjoyed myself. I don't know where he gets them from. Apparently he said she was late because she had to get to the metro by taxi and took a while. I don't think she was BBS material. Damage 200+20 for taxi, so the price was lower than last night and very much acceptable for room service. Not bad for a before dinner pick me up. I like the non-pro attitude of the girls. But those of you who like a bag of tricks, probably would be unimpressed. Now its after dinner and the toasts and the food has me pretty full, so don't know if I can handle another session, but as I write this.

Bounce Around

10-29-07, 17:03

Well, I did it again! Called him up. Told him what I want, and a gem shows up. By the name of Showrie (I risk giving myself away but those stargate fans will know! ) If there is a 10, she was a 9. 9999 like those gold chips you can buy. She even spoke a bit of english. All was good, I love when they have the perfect size b***s and the big dark n***, and rare for Chinese girls to have a nice pigu. So, she tells me she works in Dongmen! I guess all these girls are off duty freelancers.

Again this was late at night, close to midnight. She was really against the area. The hotel was okay, but she kept saying about some men in the area. Wouldn't spend the night, its bad. Damage was supposed to be 250, but I gave her 300. Best money I ever spent in China. Said, I should move to Lou ho or Hua Qiang Bei tomorrow and it would be okay, I told her I would do that next time, no matter how good the p**** I can't just move for one day! Or can I? Said her friend will do me tomorrow, she won't in this area. She's not upto a threesome: (

Anyone know of the 'mafia' element in this neighborhood? CPE? MM?

I remember going to a resturaunt in nanshan the major street after nanshan xilu (intersecting off of shennan with the footbridge accross it) and I noticed a BBS in the area, very residential, this was a few months ago; I meant going back there but haven't. I'm not married to Nanshan but it is a decent area for me to stay in, mostly for business.comments appreciated, thought for this girl, next time I will stay in hua qiang bei.

Polyverse

10-30-07, 02:47

Dear Bounce and Daved35

You mentionned in your previpus post you have great deliveries from a pimp with some a s high as 9. 9999.

Could you share its phone number with us?

Thanks in advance

Old Mean Dog

10-30-07, 05:42

Anyone know of the 'mafia' element in this neighborhood? CPE? MM?

I would assume anywhere there is prostitution, you will find some form of criminal "mafia" element. Since prostitution is illegal in China, some entity has to be in place to grease the palms of local officials and law enforcement or these shops would be on every street corner like 7-11's.

-CPE

Bounce Around

10-30-07, 11:58

Dear Bounce and Daved35

You mentionned in your previpus post you have great deliveries from a pimp with some a s high as 9. 9999.

Could you share its phone number with us?

Thanks in advanceNo offense, I don't know if you have a membership or not, but PM me. The cost of the membership compared to what you P4P is negligible.

Fast Eddie 48

10-30-07, 16:37

Do you have the stores name for the suits?S time,

You get what you paid for for those price that bounce paid is not going to be any good quality suit ,for good quality suit you need to head to Hong kong the central area have all the good taylor for good fitted and quality you need to paid 2000 hkd and up and that is still half the cost in US.

Fast eddie 48

Bounce Around

10-30-07, 17:02

The girl from yesterday sent over her friend today at 10:00 pm, an 8, if not a 9. Attitude a 10; and she finished with a big bang, 20 year old and really enjoyed herself, petite and small, didn't get a chance to doggy her, but what a wonderful natural muff, I think never been shaved. Then the original girl from yesterday calls me and says I should come pick her up in Dommen, so after one, I head out to get another.

Dkl001

10-30-07, 17:46

After reading up on this site, I was in the Nanshan area - twice - during Aug-Sep 07. I went to the place mentioned below, only thing I'll amend is - as you walk across from Shirble Dept Store (overhead bridge) - it is less than 150 metres off, not really 'two blocks'. It has the ever-common 'two feet' foot massage symbol at the entrance, and the actual sauna / massage / 'action' area is on the 1st floor.

Two different times, picked different girls - both around 7.5-8.5 range and both very friendly. The price was high, but it offered a nice and clean room, shower, and you can negotiate the place for 2 hours for 500. (I think default is 500 for 1 hr 30 mins).

Would recommend it tho - most of the women are pretty and friendly from my experience at least.

There was a pretty cool sauna from when I lived in SZ, near Shirble Department Store in NanShan. Right across the street from Shirble, on Nanguan Rd, walk about 2-3 blocks and youll see a huge sauna with women standing in front (cant miss it its the only one). Its 500RMB for ST, where you pick a girl from a lineup of pairs only, so it may take you a while to find someone you like. They then shower with you, proceed with the catbath, RJ, BBBJ, sex. After you shower again she gives you a nice massage. It was a bit pricey but the sauna is in a decent neighborhood and the sauna also offers foot massages, haircuts/washes.

AussieMark

10-31-07, 08:38

Hi everyone, my first post, new to the site, thank you to ALL that give the information that you give, the stories in particular are awesome.

I am staying at Crown Prince for 3 weeks my 3rd time here and I know I am missing on all the fun. Do not speak Chinese, well a very little, am caucasion, attractive guy not wanting to pay KTV rate.

If anyone else is in town and wants to show me the ropes it will be very much appreciated, I have translators but would rather not have them know my interests. Would love to experience the catacombs and find a good mama to look after my needs with girls of varying skill level.

Hope someone can help, the information is great and if nobody can assist me here and have nights on the town with a fellow perverted soul then I will go with the information I have.

Thanks to all, sincerly.

Daved35

10-31-07, 08:45

Gents

Went to a tailor at the centre at the Train Station.

Got 3 suits in cashmere wool. Waistcoat, 8 shirts and a full knee length cost in wool. Cost 8, 000

When the same in 2 of the main tailors in kowloon was 25, 000

Beat that with milk.

S time,

You get what you paid for for those price that bounce paid is not going to be any good quality suit ,for good quality suit you need to head to Hong kong the central area have all the good taylor for good fitted and quality you need to paid 2000 hkd and up and that is still half the cost in US.

Fast eddie 48

AussieMark

10-31-07, 08:54

Fast Eddie 48

10-31-07, 16:36

Gents

Went to a tailor at the centre at the Train Station.

Got 3 suits in cashmere wool. Waistcoat, 8 shirts and a full knee length cost in wool. Cost 8, 000

When the same in 2 of the main tailors in kowloon was 25, 000

Beat that with milk.David 35,

Yes most people don't understand what is a good taylor until they get a suit done in Hong kong , I have many suit done in the US and other country in asia I have wide and board shoulder I can't get a good fit until I have my suit done in HK.

Fast eddie 48

Fast Eddie 48

10-31-07, 16:45

Neuromancer

10-31-07, 18:21

Gents

Went to a tailor at the centre at the Train Station.

Got 3 suits in cashmere wool. Waistcoat, 8 shirts and a full knee length cost in wool. Cost 8, 000

When the same in 2 of the main tailors in kowloon was 25, 000

Beat that with milk.Haven't gotten suits in China, but have gotten pants. RMB150 (or was it RMB100? ) per piece, compared to a suit in HK for HKD3-4, 000, pants for HKD900 each. Quality of the HK stuff was definitely a notch or two above the China stuff (bought in Shanghai at that big clothing market). The China stuff, some of the hems were not even complete (did not notice until I got home) and the material feels like wool, but I suspect there's a decent percentage of poly in there (gets very slick it when it rains).

That said, I prefer the lower cost over the higher quality. Another positive of the China stuff is that the guy made it exactly how I had requested, loose fitting. The HK guys (the one I went to anyway) are so locked into the "this is the way it is supposed to be made" mindset and wound up with the skinny Euro-trash cut for my pants.

Transporter

10-31-07, 22:42

Bounce Around

11-01-07, 08:23

OWL,

Now you know why many of us have stopped posting such detailed reports on ISG, because all you do is entice all the swinging dicks over to spoil the market. Hell, these are not even comments, just leeches looking for handouts.

Take care and can I have Xiao Mi’s phone number?

-CPEAs luck would have it my time in SZ ran out just when things were getting to be fun. I will be back in another 10 days which is great, don't know if i can keep my visits this frequent, but i certainly hope so.

There will always be leechers on the web and especially on this forum. Some of them are worse than others. Like the two who posted in CPEs above example. Most of us were also leechers at one point or another.

Specifically, if the membership structure can be changed to disallow any non paying member from posting comments (or possibly show a different distinction other than 'regular' or senior' and possibly restricting views to the forum by non members. IMHO.

I was a lurker on the forum before I got a membership and started posting, and RTFF'd my first few mongering experiences in China. I don't think its hard for non members to find the P4P action in China, but the leeches who just ask, like the above, well, there is no hope for them.

Hungry Eyes

11-01-07, 16:39

Finally I am a registered, subscribed and a posting member. I have wanted to do this for many months now. Just decided to do it!

I've been reading all your posts here for the past 9-10 months since I found this great site.

Yes I am a newbie, yes I am fresh, No I am not a leech, Yes I RTFF.

So far for clarifications.

I must say that I needed to take the advises I have read here with a tweezers for one single reason, my hobby is quite different.

Maybe it's because I'm a newbie maybe because I'm shy maybe because I'm pretty young (27yo). But I have never f**ked no one else but my wife (believe it or not) I like my hobby to be a bit more delicate. Some of you may say "my friend your in the wrong website" however I'm sure some of you will understand. I like the massages with happy endings (or the ones that pretend to be legitimate and just happened to touch it.) I used to love to refuse to their offers and let them try harder to convince me. I love the most the GFE and probably will hate it and stop in the middle if being rushed or unpleasant to.

I travel to China every 3 months due to my business for the past 2-3 years and a little more. However I found this hobby not to long ago (probably about the time I found out about this site). My experience is therefore not that wide however I will love to share it with you all when finding the time to write about it.

I hope not to disappoint all those who have helped me the past months with useful and crucial info for a newbie in China.

I pledge not to ask any irritating fresh guy questions until my first informative post or at least first narrative one.

All the best,

Hungry Eyes

Hua Ge

11-02-07, 08:14

As luck would have it my time in SZ ran out just when things were getting to be fun. I will be back in another 10 days which is great, don't know if i can keep my visits this frequent, but i certainly hope so.

There will always be leechers on the web and especially on this forum. Some of them are worse than others. Like the two who posted in CPEs above example. Most of us were also leechers at one point or another.

Specifically, if the membership structure can be changed to disallow any non paying member from posting comments (or possibly show a different distinction other than 'regular' or senior' and possibly restricting views to the forum by non members. IMHO.

I was a lurker on the forum before I got a membership and started posting, and RTFF'd my first few mongering experiences in China. I don't think its hard for non members to find the P4P action in China, but the leeches who just ask, like the above, well, there is no hope for them."Leechers" and paid members on the isg forum are 2 different issues.

1. Does the poster above then believe that members that paid the $19. 95 annual subscription to ISG are therfore entitle to leech info from the forum participants? Now that the leech is a paid member, he can leech but will not be consider a "leecher" by the member above?

2. I have not subscribed to a paid membership but I have posted and contributed information to the forum. A paid subscription allows members Private Messaging (PM) capabilities, pics and banner free viewing. I have not yet felt the need to PM any members since the general forum format is adequate for my needs. Your post suggest that unless I am a paid subscriber then I should be prohibited from contributing to this forum? Is a paid member a better content contributor than a non paid member? I have to believe Jackson has carefully thought out his business model and he knows better than anyone the way his forum should be run.

A leech is a leech regardless of whether he is lurker, a member without a paid subscription or a member WITH a PAID subscription.

Enjoy!

Hua Ge

11-02-07, 09:07

Hi

Not sure if my previous post worked as I cannot find it I am new to this site but not new to China am in crown prince hotel dongguan want to find a mama to look after me to supply girls prefer chubby big tits real girls not fake KTV girls dolled up with make up like street type girls over beautiful girls they are more real I am here for 21 days and come here often but have never partaken in any places other than KTV if anyone is able to help I would very much appreciate it if anyone is also in or near dongguan I will happily pay for your girl in return for assistance or help with V I am caucasion do not speak Chinese but do have interpretor but would prefer they not know my other business

This is a great forum and I am so glad I found it thank you all of your posts they make a guy happy to know his perverted lewd thoughts are not alone

ThanksNext time you go to the Opera House, try saying the following (as if you were reading it in English) to the door hostesses:

"Yo may yo Mommy woo-e shoe-O ying when? " Is there a Mommy that speaks English? I know of at least one assistant to the Mommy that speaks English at the Opera house. Tell her of your chubby plain girl village look fetish and she should be able to source one out to your specifications.

"yo may yo Ren woo-e shoe-O ying when? Eee Nnn GLIiii SHIEeee? " Is there anyone that speaks English? There is at least 1 eunuch there that speaks a little English. He should be able to find you a chubby girl. You will probably get better service from the chubby girls since that is not a popular look among most of the regular clients there.

Last option, draw a chubby girl with big tits on a piece of paper and show it to a Mommy. She will find you one, even if she has to import one from a bbs and mark up her price to you as a crown prince KTV girl.

Three weeks ago, I saw a chubby girl at the Red Lion Hotel Sauna lineup. The manager said she had superb technique on all required elements of a session (even the upside down BBBJ). I didn't feel adventurous enough to risk having her fall on me so I passed on the recommendation. You might want to try your luck there.

Enjoy

Doberpit

11-02-07, 12:18

I am planning on traveling to Shenzhen mid-December. Last time I was there, I visited the Seibu BBSes and was very impressed with the talent there. However, that was in the heat of summer, when it was hot even late at night and everyone could wear revealing clothes.

Does the BBS scene change significantly in the winter? I can't imagine it can be the same, i.e. doors wide open, scantily clad girls, etc.

Old Mean Dog

11-02-07, 17:45

Maybe it's because I'm a newbie maybe because I'm shy maybe because I'm pretty young (27yo). But I have never f**ked no one else but my wife (believe it or not) I like my hobby to be a bit more delicate. Some of you may say "my friend your in the wrong website" however I'm sure some of you will understand. I like the massages with happy endings (or the ones that pretend to be legitimate and just happened to touch it.) I used to love to refuse to their offers and let them try harder to convince me. I love the most the GFE and probably will hate it and stop in the middle if being rushed or unpleasant to.

Hungry Eyes

Would a "Happy Ending" be considered cheating on your wife? In China I wouldn't think so as long as she didn't kiss, suck or feck you.

Just some pondering I'm doing, as I get ready to go bang my 2nd wife.

LOL, welcome aboard and I look forward to your posts.

-CPE

Santa

11-02-07, 19:25

Would a "Happy Ending" be considered cheating on your wife? In China I wouldn't think so as long as she didn't kiss, suck or feck you.

-CPE

When Jimmy Carter was president he said during a Playboy Magazine interview that he had never cheated on his wife but he had "lusted for other women in my heart".

Would "lusting for other women" be considered infidelity?

If a wife is looking at other guys and having sexual fantasies, would you say that she is not being loyal?

Santa the Philosopher.

Legal Lad

11-02-07, 23:41

I'm going to be at the Prince during your stay. Upgrade your membership so I can send you a PM if your interested, or better, jump down to the Dongguan forum.

I'll try to see if there is any interest in the KTV scene during my stay there. I think the forum is a bit quiet now as a lot of the vets are in Beijing partying.

'lad

SkyPilot35

11-03-07, 18:19

Fast Eddie 48

11-04-07, 01:03

Hi there,

I'm staying in a Dameisha beach resort in Shenzhen for the next week, can anyone advise on opportunities near the Sheraton hotel on Yankui Road? Also might be looking to find clubs in the rea for next weekend. Late 30s British guy.

SteveSteve,

The p4p is not good in this area but there are freebie to be had at the beach area and your hotel lobby and bar and that is depend on your pick up skill , this a family vactions area so not too many bar area .

Fast eddie 48

Old Mean Dog

11-04-07, 02:54

Hi there,

I'm staying in a Dameisha beach resort in Shenzhen for the next week, can anyone advise on opportunities near the Sheraton hotel on Yankui Road? Also might be looking to find clubs in the rea for next weekend. Late 30s British guy.

Steve

I really don't think there is much, if any, P4P in Dameisha. Try the bar in the Airland Hotel or the bar on the beach when you first enter town. Maybe you can get lucky, but now that the weather has turned cold, not as many people will be headed to Dameisha.

-CPE

Hungry Eyes

11-04-07, 07:28

Would a "Happy Ending" be considered cheating on your wife? In China I wouldn't think so as long as she didn't kiss, suck or feck you.

Just some pondering I'm doing, as I get ready to go bang my 2nd wife.

LOL, welcome aboard and I look forward to your posts.

-CPEWell cheating is in the eyes of the beholder (in my case the eyes are quite hungry and so is the beholder...) however i do beleive that even without the actions you mentioned above non of the wives would be happy to know about this hobby no matter how delicate it is, correct me if I'm wrong

thank you for the wellcome greetings

HungryEyes

OldAsiaHand

11-04-07, 08:05

Most of the suits you order in Hong Kong are actually made in Shenzhen, but the HK tailors seem to have better fabrics to choose from. I, myself, get my suits made in Thailand which offers an excellent price/value ratio.

However, I would be interested to find a China tailor with access to the HK fabric selection. Any leads?

OAH

Haven't gotten suits in China, but have gotten pants. RMB150 (or was it RMB100? ) per piece, compared to a suit in HK for HKD3-4, 000, pants for HKD900 each. Quality of the HK stuff was definitely a notch or two above the China stuff (bought in Shanghai at that big clothing market). The China stuff, some of the hems were not even complete (did not notice until I got home) and the material feels like wool, but I suspect there's a decent percentage of poly in there (gets very slick it when it rains).

That said, I prefer the lower cost over the higher quality. Another positive of the China stuff is that the guy made it exactly how I had requested, loose fitting. The HK guys (the one I went to anyway) are so locked into the "this is the way it is supposed to be made" mindset and wound up with the skinny Euro-trash cut for my pants.

Old Mean Dog

11-04-07, 12:01

LoveAsia

11-04-07, 15:40

I think in China, going to a Spa is quite normal and many of them offer Happy Endings without consisting of FS or BJ. It is just something that happens here and is considered normal. I always see many married guys in these massage joints and I know I ain't the only one getting my pud pounded......or am I?

Maybe some of the Chinese members can tell us?

-CPE

Tons of happy ending places. The costs vary greatly as does the quality of the spa and quality of massage.

Jayson420

11-05-07, 00:06

Went down to SOHO bar the other night with a few of my friends. Very nice upscale new bar across street from King Glory Plaza. (Guo Ma stop on Metro).

Pretty nice place, with nice trendy jazz music playing. Not too loud. No real place to dance though. And mostly tables in there with the usual dice games going on.

We were the only three laowai's in there. But managed to grab two cute chicks mobile # the few mins we were there. But didn't really think much of it.

Later that night around 2am texted one of them. I had no Chinese and she had no english. Finally she had her "friend" call me. Some guy that spoke english. Gave him the details of the hotel. They showed up about 20 mins later.

My friend partied with one of them and I partied with the other. In the morning when they were leaving around 10am, I just gave her a kiss and said byebye. And she asked me to call her again. I did.

The door shut and I was like, Sweet. Didn't have to give her even 1Y.

Called her two nights later. Partied at another bar and eventually pulled another free full night of banging and BBBJ. No complaints.

MegaPoint

11-05-07, 01:20

Well cheating is in the eyes of the beholder (in my case the eyes are quite hungry and so is the beholder...) however i do beleive that even without the actions you mentioned above non of the wives would be happy to know about this hobby no matter how delicate it is, correct me if I'm wrong

thank you for the wellcome greetings

HungryEyes

Been away for two weeks, so much to catch up on.

Have to agree with Hungry Eyes on this one. My ex-wife (Chinese) broke up with a guy she was engaged to once upon a time, because she found he was spending lunch hours at a massage place having happ(ier) endings. There was maybe a time when women here (I am writing from Hong Kong) didn't dig so deep for truths which upset them, but this is an unfortunate consequence of the 'Westernization' of China...

Someone recently eulogized local women here over their being less aggressive, demanding, controlling, etc., than American (I think he specifically said American) women. True to some extent, I guess, but it's also part of the old 'subservient' fantasy that Western males have about Asian women. There are two sides to this, as to everything. I know a guy who is married to a Chinese lady here, and he says over and over, "Cantonese women are going to take over the world." Go see "Lust/Caution" and pay attention to all that chit-chat that Joan Chen has with her cronies playing mah jong... if you can keep your lying eyes off of Tang Wei and her, uh, unshaved armpits <yuck>

Also, someone claimed that HK tailors have their piece work done in Shenzhen. That might be true for the cheapo chains of tailoring shops, but small business tailors still have their work done in HK, sometimes even by the legendary old guys known as 'Shanghai tailors'. PM me if you want some recommendations. No longer exactly cheap (my uncle remembers getting a silk suit in the 1950s for two boxes of Marlboro's hahahahaha) but a lot cheaper than this kind of work outside of Asia. And 'the quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten.' That's my motto here, and it goes for P4P, too! The SZ tailors' work is sloppy and unfinished (as other bros have reported) and the only thing I've kept from the days whn I tried them out is my Zhongshan suit...for when I go to Politburo meetings ;-) And I hate how every piece of clothing made in SZ reeks of cigarette smoke...

Bnlee2

11-05-07, 05:21

Also, someone claimed that HK tailors have their piece work done in Shenzhen. That might be true for the cheapo chains of tailoring shops, but small business tailors still have their work done in HK, sometimes even by the legendary old guys known as 'Shanghai tailors'. PM me if you want some recommendations. No longer exactly cheap (my uncle remembers getting a silk suit in the 1950s for two boxes of Marlboro's hahahahaha) but a lot cheaper than this kind of work outside of Asia. And 'the quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten.' That's my motto here, and it goes for P4P, too! The SZ tailors' work is sloppy and unfinished (as other bros have reported) and the only thing I've kept from the days whn I tried them out is my Zhongshan suit...for when I go to Politburo meetings ;-) And I hate how every piece of clothing made in SZ reeks of cigarette smoke...
Totally agreed. some of the new tailor in SZ are the shits. I use an old guy out of taipei. he just like working for old customers and will not accept new customers. He saids that when his last customer stop coming in he will just retire. His work is Par Excellence. He does not tell me what to pay him, I just pay him a bit more than the last time. He is happy so am I. It is so difficult to find good craftsman these days.

Niteluvr

11-06-07, 01:45

this will be lame compared with some outstanding reports by other mongers, but here goes: went to china in mid-september for the first time, arrived in hong kong and took an airport taxi service to shenzhen. met up with a long time pen pal i'd met on aff named sunny wu, age 31, at the shangri-la hotel (see pics). she showed up with a translator and we went a cheap hotel (forgot the name) so i could drop off my suitcase. apparently one has to deduct two points from the beauty scale when meeting a woman for real because she was shorter and not nearly as good looking as she was on webcam, plus her english was crap. after a nice dinner at a local restaurant, we ditched the translator and she came back to the hotel. tried to talk to her but she said next to nothing, basically sat there like a rock the entire time. i had to get something out of this so i begged her to stay overnight. she acted so reluctant/shy, but finally agreed. funny thing was she had a nightgown in her purse! anticipating? almost had to beg to kiss her and she just laid there like a rock in the bed while i peeled her clothes off. talk about a dead fish! the only time she moved at all was when i sucked her nipples, then she arched her back slightly. felt like i should stop every few minutes and check for a pulse on this woman! climbed on top, fucked her quickly, and that was it. totally boring. as the room had separate beds, she wanted to sleep alone. next day we went shopping, etc, but it was such a boring time with this woman. that afternoon she said she had to go home to change clothes, so i took the opportunity to do a sauna girl in the hotel for 600 rmb short time. sunny came back two hours later just as i was using the hotel phone to call another woman. she gave me the dirtiest look as i had no idea she’d snuck up on me and heard the whole conversation. went back up to the room with her, tried to have a decent conversation but same thing: could hardly get a word out of her. i got so frustrated that i finally asked her to leave. then she finally starts talking! too late, i was fed up so she saw that and left. nothing to do that night so i remembered someone on the forum had mentioned the red light district near the jingpeng hotel so hopped a taxi there. (see pic) for those unfamiliar with how to find the rld, as you face the jingpeng hotel, turn right, go to the end of the block but do not cross the street. turn left, go to the end of the block, cross the next street where you’ll see a mcdonald’s, then proceed straight to the first alley. turn left, walk down the alley and you’ll start to see a smattering of the infamous fake barber shops. amongst them are smaller alleys where the pink-lighted apartments are. the local cops stopped me when i tried to take pics. the girls were all very friendly and inviting. reminded me of the good old days 20-25 years ago in korea. walked around for a while checking out all the houses, but it was about 5 am so perhaps not as many were open. finally settled on apartment #91. a cute girl grabbed me and spoke passable english so i settled on her and her friend. got both short time for 200 rmb total. had a great session as we all showered together, then did everything under the sun. short time turned out to be way over an hour as mamasan was cool. at mid-point they asked if i wanted a third girl but i declined. didn’t have enough juice for all three. did the deed, left, walked around another 30 minutes or so, then looked for a girl with big tits. finally found one, paid 200 rmb and had a lousy session. she had a bad attitude, it was hot as hell in the room, etc. went back to the hotel, slept most of the next day, then checked into the jingpeng. that evening i called another pen pal named rose that i’d met on aff, and she eagerly showed up at the hotel. she’s 37 and looks very homely (see pic). thought i’d get nowhere with her but acted cool, slowly eased the conversation into sexual matters, then worked my way to a kiss. she acted super shy as she’s always said she was a virgin. never even kissed a guy. key word here is was a virgin. got her all warmed up, then she took a shower, came back in a towel and as i proceeded to give her her first session of daty, got close to her pussy and smelled ass! apparently she hadn’t washed everything. played it cool, told her i’d give her a massage first, then i carried her to the shower and washed her all over. she acted very nervous as i gently opened her legs but loosened up after a few minutes. she absolutely loved it and i didn’t let up for an hour. i believe she really was a virgin as it took forever to get my dick in her pussy. she complained it was uncomfortable and there was a tiny bit of blood. i had to go gently with her and after about 10 minutes she was fine. this woman had no idea how to fuck or make love. i tried to teach her the finer points about sucking a dick as it was obvious she never had. her idea of turning me on was to rub my ears when i sucked her nipples. really bizarre! got her to hide her face under the pillow for a second while i quietly squeezed off a doggie pic (see pic).

would like to publicly thank oldasiahand, eaglestar and anyone else who provided their valuable input.

editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Bnlee2

11-06-07, 05:14

I agree with everything OWL said except this. I don't think she was "just playing you".

Chinese women are very practical. She understood the situation, that she was only a kept second wife with no future. What was she supposed to do, wait until she grows older, he grows colder, and he then dumps her? The other second wives probably warned her that the bad day was coming.

I think she probably liked and loved Asia Joe and felt bad about doing what she had to do. And, I think her family and friends told her it was the smart thing to do. Grab the money and run!
!

Santa

You need to put this girl on your bad list. Make sure she gets no present for christmas this year just to teach her a lesson . bah humbug.. you could maybe stop at her house this year and give her a mighty big spanking ... san panties of course. I vote that you should be the one doing it. But if your schedule does not permit it.. i will try to stand in for you

Santa

11-06-07, 05:38

Santa

You need to put this girl on your bad list.

She behaved badly alright, and I'm not trying to justify what she did, I'm just trying to see it from her perspective. Self interest.

Crazyofbutts

11-06-07, 17:28

Old Mean Dog

11-06-07, 19:10

Dear brothers,

I'm being currently in monger dry Taipei (don't fancy saunas) and therefore am really looking forward to my upcoming weekend in Shenzhen.

I've been trying to read your comments on the forum but would still like to ask some questions:

1) My company is paying the hotel so I was planning to take the Landmark Shenzhen hotel as that seems to be of a good quality. I noticed some of you suggesting for Panglin due to location but Landmark seems to be very close by as well. Can someone please comment if the hotel allows girls to be brought in and that it still is withing a walking distance to take girls? I really am into taking girls into my hotel room.... Hopefully that is possible from Seibu...

2) Is Seibu area open in the morning? Nothing is better than having sex when fresh out of good night sleep!

3) Any suggestions for places where to get Cialis or equivalent? My prescription run out and did not have time to get more fun pills before leaving home...

Thanks for your help!

COB

Landmark Hotel is a nice place and is on the street behind the Panglin, very well within walking distance of the Seibu area and there are even a few mommies who hangout in front of the Landmark Hotel if you become lazy.

Seibu area is open, but most of the girls sleep in the morning and don't start arriving till the afternoon. I am sure you can find a few decent ones as long is it's not too early.

Most drugstores, or you can try your luck with the counterfeit stuff they sell in many of the shops, fake V, fake C and/or the Chinese brands. I have had good results with a brand called Tiger, looks like V without the headaches, comes in a box of 6 tabs.

Good Luck,
CPE

Crazyofbutts

11-06-07, 19:59

Thanks CPE for your very valuable comments!

Looking forward to a bunch of fresh mainland China girls before going to Macau on Monday....

Cheers,

COB

Daved35

11-06-07, 20:20

Gents,

I am still here in the SEIBU area and having more of a Ball then I could ever have hoped for. After doing about 12 girls in the last month on a regular basis from my local pimps sendings I am now in an almost terrifying position.- I have more Freebies then I can handle

4 of the girls now show up at anytime with a texts notice of at least 1 hour simply to hang out / use the sauna and Jacquzzi / spend the night sleeping and of course indulging me in bodily fluid release.

On a few occasions more then 2 arrived, and while I did the deed in the bedroom they would be outside nattering and watching a DVD or leave the doors opening and watchin the action.

I have had a full jacquzzi of 4 on a couple of occassions. All of them are 21 and under and from 6. 9 with the low rated ones the best cock workers.

I have set 2 up in jobs locally and 1 is almost my full time gopher. One brings her friends over to see if I like them and would I indulge! Hey Shit why not?

I am fully versed in their histories and who and what they are and all are A1 and just lost. They appreciate the care and attention and of course the money, but I think I died and have gone to heaven.

I could almost start a rental business myslef, "ehh no! Thats 200 an hour you cheap bastard"!

Apac Man

11-07-07, 02:00

I had a chance to visit ShenZhen for 4 nights last week with my GF. SZ had always been a day trip place for me to go in the morning and do a few things and be back to HK by night or go there to fly to places in China. But this time we actually visited the city and thanks to CPE excellent advice on places to go eat, we had a blast eating. :)

We were staying at Shangri-La and I went out a few times alone to go to 7-11 and I was overwhelmed by mommies and touts outside the hotel entrance. I made the mistake of looking one in the eyes and in one minute flat, she told me all her offerings! She ended by saying girls are beautiful and cheap! Oh yeah? What is the price? 300 for the girl, 100 for the room, and then she grinned and continued, and tip for me! I pointed to the area of pink apt. and said, but I can take one there for 150! She said she does not understand me and walked away... She might have even said "F*** you" in Chinese :)

There are about 20 or so shops between long distance train entrance and Guangzhou train entrance. They all had C, V, and something that looked like V and the price tag on C was 250 RMB. Are these real V and C or fake like everything else in SZ?

For some stupid reason, GF decided we need to take Metro to Dongmem on Sunday. Going there was no problem, I bought the ticket at the booth and the ride was fine and fast. However return trip was something else! There was no ticket booth open there and station was hot and crowded. It took me over 20 tries on 7 different bills to finally get our tickets! The machine only accepts 5 and 10 bills and coins, which I did not have any. People in front of us and people in the back did not have more luck either. It seemed that everyone was struggling with buying tickets.

I always like to get money from HSBC ATMs. I took some money out from the one behind Shangri-La and 2 of the 100 bills were fake! I told my Chinese co-worker and he said: Welcome to ShenZhen! I told him I will go to their office and he said there was no way I could prove that the notes came from HSBC ATM. I am afraid he is right! :(

I told my GF that I will come to SZ alone next time. I don't thing she thought it was funny! Anyway, thanks all for all the great information here. I subscribe to ISG for its great "articles" :) Same reason I buy Playboy. :) Even when one does not want to monger, ISG has great information about other things too and then there are great people like CPE that offers helps and advice when it is nicely asked.

Thanks all,

W

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

FurryFriend

11-07-07, 07:33

I was in Shenzhen three days ago and can confirm that the mongering scene is excellent!

At the Seibu BBS, there were four alleys of action. Problem was, as always, the mamasans (and sometimes the providers) are extremely pushy. They can even grab on to you with an aggressive sales pitch. I can handle the pushiness -- but not the physical harassment.

Another great place to monger are the pink apartments near the Lo Wu station. There is an open courtyard where about 80 girls were hanging out in the open. They're just sitting around eating or socializing. If you wanna do one, you get a mamasan to rent you a room. I found this place to be less pushy and you can just loiter and find someone that interests you.

Wadman

11-07-07, 08:15

We were staying at Shangri-La and I went out a few times alone to go to 7-11 and I was overwhelmed by mommies and touts outside the hotel entrance. I made the mistake of looking one in the eyes and in one minute flat, she told me all her offerings! She ended by saying girls are beautiful and cheap! Oh yeah? What is the price? 300 for the girl, 100 for the room, and then she grinned and continued, and tip for me! I pointed to the area of pink apt. and said, but I can take one there for 150! She said she does not understand me and walked away... She might have even said "F*** you" in Chinese :)

Pink apartments used to be 100 (if you looked Chinese), they try very hard for 150 now. 300+100+tip for the mama is just a rip off.

There was no ticket booth open there and station was hot and crowded. It took me over 20 tries on 7 different bills to finally get our tickets! The machine only accepts 5 and 10 bills and coins, which I did not have any. People in front of us and people in the back did not have more luck either. It seemed that everyone was struggling with buying tickets.

The ticket vending machines are getting busier all the time. Line-ups are ridiculously long during peak hours. If you stay in Shenzhen for a while, or are a return visitor, you may consider buying a transit card for 40 RMB (refundable), plus whatever amount you want to put on it . Just swipe the card going in/out the metro stations. Some buses (maybe 50-70%) accept this now too, so you don't have to fumble around for change.

Apac Man

11-07-07, 08:58

The ticket vending machines are getting busier all the time. Line-ups are ridiculously long during peak hours. If you stay in Shenzhen for a while, or are a return visitor, you may consider buying a transit card for 40 RMB (refundable), plus whatever amount you want to put on it . Just swipe the card going in/out the metro stations. Some buses (maybe 50-70%) accept this now too, so you don't have to fumble around for change.I considered buying the card, but between my Octopus Card and Singapore Transportation card (not sure what that one is called) I decided not to add another card to keep track of. I have stopped thinking in US dollar terms while back and I was thinking 40 RMB instead of US$5.20 :) However, thanks for the tip and I strongly recommend it also to others visiting both HK and SZ. Standing in line behind 100 people and another 200 pushing on you and 167 trying to cut into line is not fun at all.

ManonsanBoy

11-07-07, 11:19

Pink apartments used to be 100 (if you looked Chinese), they try very hard for 150 now. 300+100+tip for the mama is just a rip off.

The mongering scene in China will become much more expensive in the next 5 years. I predict doubling in 3-5 years. China is simply richer and you pay if you wanna play.

Bob Builder

11-07-07, 11:50

The mongering scene in China will become much more expensive in the next 5 years. I predict doubling in 3-5 years. China is simply richer and you pay if you wanna play.

The demand for Big Macs has gone up by billions over the last 20 years but the price has only gone up a few yuan. Not wanting to get into a debate with the economics professors here but on Saturday nights there are still lots of pussy about at Seibu after 10pm. The price of pussy has stayed the same if not gone down in price in Shenzhen over the 15+ years I have been coming here, from the time that the only ones with money were Hong Kong factory owners, managers and cross border truck drivers to the invasion of the Hong Kong weekend warriors.

The only way it is going to go up in price like you say is if millions of dumbfeck sex deprived foreigners invade the place after reading forums like this and pay thru the nose for any asian totty they see.

OldAsiaHand

11-07-07, 12:50

Old Mean Dog

11-07-07, 14:54

The only way it is going to go up in price like you say is if millions of dumbfeck sex deprived foreigners invade the place after reading forums like this and pay thru the nose for any asian totty they see.

Here, here, you hit the nail right on the head!

When guys pay double the amount, especially guys who read ISG, then this is one reason for inflation. Everyone knows that they all have floating prices for Chinese and non-Chinese. When some fella with a raging hardon, bored with his ugly ass wife comes here, he is putty in this xiaojies/mamas hands and will think $60 USD for an hour of sex is well worth the price to feck a girl 30-40 years younger than him.

These guys need to take a course in Economics!

Fed Up With The Swinging Dicks,

-CPE

ManonsanBoy

11-07-07, 21:31

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The only way it is going to go up in price like you say is if millions of dumbfeck sex deprived foreigners invade the place after reading forums like this and pay thru the nose for any asian totty they see.[/QUOTE]

I hope you are right. I have been mongering in China for a while. I speak reasonable putonghua. Friends tell me they cannot hire staff for their factories etc etc. Everywhere I see prize pressure in southern China.

The foreigners' impact on prices is minimal.

Personally, I always tip them a little more than the agreed prize if they have good attitude.

Happy hunting.

Fast Eddie 48

11-08-07, 00:31

I hope you are right. I have been mongering in China for a while. I speak reasonable putonghua. Friends tell me they cannot hire staff for their factories etc etc. Everywhere I see prize pressure in southern China.

The foreigners' impact on prices is minimal.

Personally, I always tip them a little more than the agreed prize if they have good attitude.

Happy hunting.Mansonsanboy,

I totally agree it take more than one guy to screw up the market , inflation will happen and it will get worst in china economy is good the last 5 yr and the rmb is strong ,the rich is getting richer and the poor are having a tough time to make a living ,I think China is the the best investment in the world right now maybe the next decade.

Fast eddie 48

Bob Builder

11-08-07, 03:41

I hope you are right. I have been mongering in China for a while. I speak reasonable putonghua. Friends tell me they cannot hire staff for their factories etc etc. Everywhere I see prize pressure in southern China.

The foreigners' impact on prices is minimal.

Personally, I always tip them a little more than the agreed prize if they have good attitude.

Happy hunting.

They can't find factory workers cause young women can earn just as much sucking dick for 30 minutes in cash than 3 days hard slog in a firetrap sweatshop where the owners run off after owing the workers months of unpaid wages. If you talk to most WGs in Southern China and believe them, most say they came here initially to work in a factory. LOL.

Apart from Saturday nights and during LE sweeps, tell me where you have been mongering that you have seen a shortage of pussy?

The foreigners' reference was used as I thought it would have more impact that saying "when pigs fly".

Old Mean Dog

11-08-07, 03:58

The foreigners' impact on prices is minimal.

This is exactly the attitude that causes inflation. Quit thinking of only yourself in this world.

Do you know how many foreigners come to Shenzhen each day? Of those, do you know how many are in search of a piece of ass on a business or pleasure trip? Don't just think there is 1.4 billion people in China and you didn't see any laowai in the Seibu area last night so their impact is minimal.

If foreigners contiune to pay 300+ for a shot, then 300 rmb becomes the norm. Do you not think these mommies and xiaojies network??

If I go to that same shop and choose the same girl (or probably any girl, word travels fast), the mommy is gonna see my big white ass and automatically tell me 300 rmb because that's what the last few Swinging Dicks paid. If I "haggle" price with her, with the xiaojie standing right there, do you think quality of service will be that good or will they look at me as a cheap SOB?

If the price is 150, WTF would people pay more? Pay the damn going rate and after you feck her, give her 150 rmb tip if you are so inclined!

-CPE

Yellow Fever #2

11-08-07, 05:16

Please don't come to our city (actually anywhere) and overpay. You really will spoil the market for everyone.

If you are reading this, I hope you can learn the market rates and understand that to pay more if foolish and does not help anyone. If you are really happy with your service give a tip at the end - even 20RMB will be sufficient and make your SP happy.

I recently visited my regular spot behind Nanshan Sega computer store. I had not been there for several months as I have been travelling. I looked for my regular woman but she was not around, perhaps she has left for greener pastures.

For some reason they did not recognize me. Although I understand Chinese, I usually pretend to be stupid and not understand. I can hear the girls talking, big nose, laowai etc. I am sure you have heard it before even if you did not understand it.

The kept on saying 200RMB, I acted stupid. They raised 2 fingers, I did not say anything. Eventually after about 5 minutes of standing in the door, I made a selection.

We went to the back room. She asked if I wanted sex. Of course I did. I told her in very clear Chinese - I would pay her 130RMB (as my usual price).

Do you know what she said? She left the room and told her collegues 'he knows the price'. I had excellent service.

You will get respect from the girls and especially from the ISG community if you PAY THE CORRECT PRICE in the market you are at. DON'T SPOIL THE MARKET FOR THE REST OF US. A reasonable tip after the service to your SP is OK but don't accept an out of line price from the mamosan.

Question 1: Is mongering a pastime, hobby or an addiction?

Question 2: Should the forum ban Swinging Dicks for overpaying?

OldAsiaHand

11-08-07, 05:55

I think part of the problem is that all laowai are considered to be swinging dicks by the industry in China, regardless of whether they arrived yesterday or have been here for ages. More often than not, a mama or girl will try to overcharge me unless I know them. Fortunately, or unfortunately, as the case may be, I am pretty well known around S. China. Most of the time, the situation is as Yellow Fever #2 has described it. I let them know that I did not just arrive yesterday and I pay the normal price. Other times, they simply insist and I walk away.

OAH

Santa

11-08-07, 09:08

Please don't come to our city (actually anywhere) and overpay. You really will spoil the market for everyone.

You will get respect from the girls and especially from the ISG community if you PAY THE CORRECT PRICE in the market you are at. DON'T SPOIL THE MARKET FOR THE REST OF US. A reasonable tip after the service to your SP is OK but don't accept an out of line price from the mamosan.

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Jackson, send this man a medal!

Bounce Around

11-08-07, 09:49

Hello All,

I see that the endless debate continues! I would be pissed if prices in my local currencies keep appreciating, though from my previous RTFFs and these days, the price in SZ seems to be pretty stable, especially for you regulars.

In SZ Nov. 18,19,20,

Have the morning and afternoon to spend in HK on 21 (flight is at midnight 22)

Neuromancer

11-08-07, 14:01

Manfest

11-08-07, 19:36

Please don't come to our city (actually anywhere) and overpay.
-cut-

Question 1: Is mongering a pastime, hobby or an addiction?

No question, most of us agree on NOT overpaying. A few seem to defend their right to do whatever the fuck they want; but, as you said, they are not welcome.

I'll comment that this is not really a hobby or addiction (implying abnormal) of any kind. Just like eating, mongering is a basic primal human drive necessary for survival! I'd argue some of us would give up eating in order to have some 'tang. :)
Cheers

Bob Builder

11-09-07, 04:02

Big spenders aside, wouldn't you naturally expect the prices to go up over time, as a result of general inflation? Over a five year period:

1) If inflation = 3% annually, 200RMB becomes 231RMB (15% increase over 5 years)
2) If inflation = 6% annually, 200RMB becomes 267RMB (33% increase over 5 years)
3) If inflation = 10% annually, 200RMB becomes 322RMB (61% increase over 5 years)

China's CPI has been in the 1.5% to 3.5% range over the past 4-5 years or so, but has clearly spiked up recently, driven by rising food prices (gasoline prices are also increasing as the gov could no longer artificially depress gasoline prices with crude nearing USD100 per barrel). Couldn't find good PPI trends but anecdotally, believe that wage inflation has increased far more rapidly than the ~3% CPI.

Alternatively, if the RMB exchange rate continues on it's natural course -

1) at current ~7.5:1 RMB:USD, 200RMB = 26.8USD
2) at 6.5:1, 200RMB = 30.8USD (15% increase if your base currency is USD)
3) at 5.5:1, 200RMB = 36.4USD (35% increase if your base currency is USD)

Any way you cut it, regardless of BSD's or no BSD's in the market, it's sort of unreasonable to expect the price to remain at 200RMB for the rest of your mongering lifetime. How would you like it if you never got a raise?

Not saying that you should overpay - that is just plain stupid. But it's equally unreasonable to expect the price to remain unchanged.

Haven't you seen the disclaimer: "As with securities and currencies the price of pussy can go down as well as up".

Please support your theories with some emperical evidence or get someone to fund a survey. My research over the past 15 years and sample of over 1000 has come to the conclusion that there is no upward price pressure in the pussy market. CPI(Cock Pussy Index), PPI (Pussy Price Index), inflation? Last time I saw the basket of goods and services that was used to calculate CPI did not include visits to BBSs or KTVs, LOL. I have been paying under RMB200 for the last 8 years so in real RMB terms I am paying at least half of what I did in the past or is the price being kept artificially low by the central government (Thank you Chairman Deng!)

As with ther price of gas didn't someone spread a nasty rumor and start a war to ramp up the price to make a killing in the markets while screwing the worldwide consumer in the process. If someone started a nasty rumor that all foreigners carried a new incurable disease (most Chinese believe that AIDS was introduced to China by foreigners anyway), would the price go up?

Bob Builder

11-09-07, 04:27

Most BBS charge RMB150 ST inhouse with additional charges for takeout. It has been this way for about 8 years in central Shenzhen (LoWu). Previously places charged RMB 250 ST and satellite towns like Sa Zui RMB150. In that time I did not come to China a foreigner and change skin color and become Chinese and got a better price. When the Huanggang border become 24 hr, a lot of Hong Kong mongers(the majority or which are low paid blue collar workers) which are the driving force for pussy demand in Shenzhen moved from living close to LoWu to Huanggang and started populating and frequenting Sa Zui, Xia Sa, Xiang Sa where the price has always been (lower) RMB150. Then to stay competitive places near Lowu dropped their prices to RMB150. Before that although everyone knew it was cheaper in the "Sa" areas, it was dangerous and the return taxi fare and associated time to get there absorbed all the savings that you got by the cheaper BBS price.

YOu will also find that in general the service has gotten better as initially 90% of gals did not give a BJ of any type at all with all Sichuan gals saying that they didn't do that and Wuhan gals did but they were dirty. Now if a gal does not BJ she must be a newbie or extremely good looking cause it is now a standard requirement. The thing I do miss is that there used to be a lot of very elegant freelances who dressed like they came out of a 1950 couture ad you could pick up from Shanghai, Hangzhou which now ply there trade closer to Shanghai due to the better economy distribution. Now all the gals dress in too tight jeans and minis which makes them look like hookers.

Daved35

11-09-07, 06:14

Gents

Having now built up a supply of Freebies (Well a meal and drinks and to the cinema is all that it costs now), and being introduced to 2 'friends' on the side, I decided to see what the local market is doing again.

The first Time I came here I picked up a 18 year old, 8+, outside the sunshine through her pimp for 500 for 2 hours and thanks to this board that is down to 275 for same time. Now I went out last night and there was several 7+s outside the Sunshine and Panglin, . Suprise, suprise I can get them down to 150 straight into the Hotel for 60. 90 minutes.

I took a Shanghai girl, 27 years old, 7+, back last night, stuck her in the sauna and jacquzzi for an hour, she gave a fantastic BBBJ and CIM, then she gave me a massage for 30 minutes and another CIM as I just hadnt the energy for a shag. But what a BJ, best I've had since a Huebei girl in HK months ago. 2 hours for 200rmb. Treat them well and they well do respond.

I sent her off with 200 rmb inc the 50 tip. Told her she will be coming back tonight and then she said she may bring a girlfriend for 300 in total for the same treatment to me.

Thank you SEIBU women,

Thank You!

Fast Eddie 48

11-09-07, 07:54

I considered buying the card, but between my Octopus Card and Singapore Transportation card (not sure what that one is called) I decided not to add another card to keep track of. I have stopped thinking in US dollar terms while back and I was thinking 40 RMB instead of US$5.20 :) However, thanks for the tip and I strongly recommend it also to others visiting both HK and SZ. Standing in line behind 100 people and another 200 pushing on you and 167 trying to cut into line is not fun at all.Wanderex,

They want to included the Shenzhen subway to the Octopus system not sure what is the hold up, I think the Octopus card is great I use it every time that I go to HK , I don't use the shenzhen subway for the same reason with other take too long to buy ticket.

Fast eddie 48

Neuromancer

11-09-07, 13:24

Haven't you seen the disclaimer: "As with securities and currencies the price of pussy can go down as well as up".

Please support your theories with some emperical evidence or get someone to fund a survey. My research over the past 15 years and sample of over 1000 has come to the conclusion that there is no upward price pressure in the pussy market. CPI(Cock Pussy Index), PPI (Pussy Price Index), inflation? Last time I saw the basket of goods and services that was used to calculate CPI did not include visits to BBSs or KTVs, LOL. I have been paying under RMB200 for the last 8 years so in real RMB terms I am paying at least half of what I did in the past or is the price being kept artificially low by the central government (Thank you Chairman Deng!)

As with ther price of gas didn't someone spread a nasty rumor and start a war to ramp up the price to make a killing in the markets while screwing the worldwide consumer in the process. If someone started a nasty rumor that all foreigners carried a new incurable disease (most Chinese believe that AIDS was introduced to China by foreigners anyway), would the price go up?LOL, you're right, I haven't done the extensive research. While I've been at this game for a few years, it's generally been at several different locales and am hard pressed to provide detailed empirical evidence. Only have a few anecdotal examples.

In my one year or so in HK, I really haven't seen any price inflation and have actually experienced a couple occasions of price DE-flation.

I HAVE noticed that the price of KTV girls in Shanghai has increased dramatically. Where takeout used to cost ~RMB700 or so (max 1000) about five years ago, now it costs double.

Interestingly though, if prices in Shenzen have indeed remained constant at RMB200 over the past eight years, then doesn't that support the point that BSD's, overpaying newbies do NOT ruin the market for everyone else? Or are BSD's and overpaying newbies a new phenomena? Didn't Deng die more than eight years ago?

Apac Man

11-09-07, 18:26

Apac Man

11-09-07, 18:38

Wanderex,

The mamas outside the Shangri-La will take you to apartments nearby to show you the girls. You do not need to pay for the room. You use the room in the apartment. Prices for ST are from 100RMB up depending on your negotiation skills. I've only know one monger that managed to get it for 100 RMB because he cried poor and it was believable to look at him. Normal is 150 RMB. No tip to the mama is required. She gets her cut.

OAHThanks OAH! I was reading the messages in reverse so please ignore my question about pricing that I posted earlier. I have a policy from years ago that I will not walk into unknown places that I can not get out easily. So following a mommy to an apartment after going through `3 sets of doors and an elevator ride just isn't my cup of tea.

W

Yellow Fever #2

11-09-07, 18:44

Big spenders aside, wouldn't you naturally expect the prices to go up over time, as a result of general inflation? Over a five year period:

.....

Any way you cut it, regardless of BSD's or no BSD's in the market, it's sort of unreasonable to expect the price to remain at 200RMB for the rest of your mongering lifetime. How would you like it if you never got a raise?

Not saying that you should overpay - that is just plain stupid. But it's equally unreasonable to expect the price to remain unchanged.

Neuromancer, you are one great economist, however until your final sentence you seem to fail to understand market place economics and only appear to understand well how to use the compounding functions on your calculator.

I am not an economist and I don't pretend to be but at the end of this report, I will put out my swinging dick theory for the forum membership to comment upon.

A capitalist economy has an inherent tendency toward equilibrium: a situation in which demand and supply are in balance.

I would suspect that the market price for service providers will remain the same and will not increase at the rate of inflation except over very long periods of time. Remember most of the customers in China are local people and they cannot afford any increases in this service. Foreigners are still rare for most service providers. We do not need any preferential pricing for foreigners.

On the supply side - this is CHINA. Their is basically an unlimited pool of SPs who in the end only want to earn something and so they will take what they can get for the service that they provide.

The market can have some effects as some SPs have certain attributes that make them more attractive to the customers; such as pretty face, sexy body, big boobs, good attitude, excellent reputation too (thanks to ISG forum members), nice clothes etc. and so can try to get a higher price for their service.

In effect the SP is providing a service that can be likened in at least two ways to be a perishable like fruit that will go bad. Fresh fruit commands a higher price, rotten fruit has nearly no value. The same goes for a service provider - in the first way (short term) either take the money that is offered now (set your low market price) or get nothing (go rotten) AND in the longer term: as you get older your looks may go down and your value will decrease (rotten). Most service providers have a limited shelf life of say 15 years after which they have little value as SPs. However, some SPs can improve over time, gain excellent skills, reputation and maintain their body/looks and can even increase their value in the market.

Personally, I prefer a 30+ SP that still looks great to a 20yo that is immature and inexperience.

On the demand side:

As customers we should be looking for better value and a lower price in our shopping. It should be clear and understandable.

As an example of a service, say the barbershop (not the BBS) to get your hair cut. Usually the price is posted but if you paid/offered double for the hair cut BEFORE the service in all but the most greedy business owners your would be refused or your would privately labeled as a fool. However AFTER the haircut, if you offered double it would be considered a tip.

Everyone knows MacDonalds. If you paid $2 for a $1 hamburger the cashier would not accept your money. It just does not make market sense.

What does this mean, first of all any swinging dicks who overpay only show their arrogance and/or ignorance and if the 'market' were truly free and open would not have any significant effect on the marketplace. However the market is not exactly free, mamosans get greedy and label us foreigners as stupid and gullible and decide to try to get more for their wares. You would do the same in their position.

If you are reading this, your are or should be an educated monger. Don't show your foolishness and overpay BEFORE the service. Almost every time you will get worse service and your service provider will consider you foolish. If you want to tip AFTER your service then that is at your discretion.

In the SP's simple mind, the idiot who pays more before is a jerk and does not deserve respect. However a SP who provides excellent service and gets a tip AFTERwards will remember and learn that excellent service gains a reward.

Summary: if you pay more (even thought you know the price) BEFORE the service you are a total idiot and will loose all respect from this forum.

If you offer a tip AFTER the service, you will gain respect from the service provider AND the ISG membership and over time increase the service level
of the whole industry.

Swinging Dick Theory:

If your dick is less than 3" long (micropenis?) your probably won't go out to pay for sex and if you do you may not get any.

If your dick is more than 3" but less than 12" long you will pay market rates.

If you imagine your dick size is between 12" and 24" you will pay more than market rate (girls will complain about your size or you can only service older farm animal types (very large girls)

If your dick is >24" you are off the scale and you will always overpay. You will never get respect from this forum.

How much you pay reflects your dick size. (Just my theory)

Please don't come to China if you want to act like your dick is longer than 12". You are not welcome here.

Any comments?

Neuromancer

11-09-07, 19:47

Actually, it's easier to use Excel.

As pointed out by Bob Builder, no, I didn't do the requisite research. While my post may have come across as a "theory", it was really just a "thought". I personally don't believe that a few BSDs will wreck the market for everyone else. Of course, the presence of MANY BSDs probably would. And yes, there's a plentiful supply of SPs which will keep the price down. Your theory (or is it just an "thought") sort of supports "BSD won't f*ck up pricing for everyone else".

One possibility though, if you separate the two distinct customer bases, the poor local dude and the "richer" foreigners, then I would guess that it wouldn't take all that many BSDs to wreck the market for the "richer" foreigners. Maybe that's why this board is so obsessed with telling off newbies who overpay.

My own opinion is that if someone wants to be a dumbatss and overpay, then that's his right. Heck, if you wanna be smart about it, maybe try and take a cut of the money the dude is throwing around. Charge him a fee to show him around. Charge a fee for the map.

King Dong

11-10-07, 01:30

Thanks OAH! I was reading the messages in reverse so please ignore my question about pricing that I posted earlier. I have a policy from years ago that I will not walk into unknown places that I can not get out easily. So following a mommy to an apartment after going through `3 sets of doors and an elevator ride just isn't my cup of tea.

WOne in 3 of the mamasans was getting pushy after I DID NOT take a girl after letting her show me some of them. Meaning she did not let me out, until I found a girl that I was willing to pay for.

Just don't give the money until they showed you a or the girl that you want. I let them show me about 10 girls per appartement visit and the quality varies strongly, but they do have good looking ones. And even the mouning/s were good, but else no service really.

Since the girls get about 70 or 80 (asked them), I never agian paid 150 after the first time.

For 150 you can expect perfect looking young boodys that perform well, but that doesnt mean you will always get the performance you expect.

Santa

11-10-07, 07:27

Swinging Dick Theory:

If your dick is less than 3" long (micropenis?) your probably won't go out to pay for sex and if you do you may not get any.

If your dick is more than 3" but less than 12" long you will pay market rates.

If you imagine your dick size is between 12" and 24" you will pay more than market rate (girls will complain about your size or you can only service older farm animal types (very large girls)

If your dick is >24" you are off the scale and you will always overpay. You will never get respect from this forum.

How much you pay reflects your dick size. (Just my theory)

Please don't come to China if you want to act like your dick is longer than 12". You are not welcome here.

Any comments?

There is a good article at www.wikipedia.org about penis size. They say the average flaccid dick is 3.5 inches and average erect dick is around 5.5 inches. Condoms are made to fit dicks that are 6 to 7 inches long. When guys are asked to measure their own dicks they always report them to be larger than they are.

I would guess that large men have larger cocks than small men, and large women have larger vaginas than small women. The average vagina is only 4 inches long. Also, genital size has nothing to do with virility or orgasms.

To answer Yellow Fever's hypothesis, I would think that generally cock size has nothing to do with prices paid. However, many of these ladies know that some men will pay more when told that their cocks are too big.

Cock is too big? The vagina can stretch big enough for a baby's head!

Bob Builder

11-10-07, 10:23

Yellow Fever #2

11-10-07, 11:10

Yes, Deng is long dead but it is he who created the special economic zones and associated wealth that attracted the lazy ass gals to South China to work as WGs. As to what foreigners pay, it doesn't effect me at all and what you say here will not cause the others that do not read this forum to comply with the price posted here. I already mentioned before that just posting info on how to get to the places in Shenzhen is going to increase demand

I agree with most of what you write.

As long as the supply is much greater than the demand, the prices will remain relatively low in the western sense compared to other countries. The price however for normal Chinese males is still very high - even 100 to 150RMB is a lot of money here in China for most people. Some WGs charge as little as 30RMB for services.

In China the supply is nearly unlimited, the main requirement for a WG is only to have the correct body parts.

I still think that foreigners and others that pay upfront more than the going rate will change the attitudes of the mamasans which will in general cause other foreigners to pay more or have to haggle longer. The attitude of the working girl won't change but the mamasan's attitude will change and they hold a lot of power over the poor working girl. In this was you may actually hurt your working girl in the longer term. You can pay more, you do not always get more and you will not get more respect.

In a recent post, in fact I think that although pricing has not decrease (still 130RMB-150RMB for FS), service levels in most Shenzhen locations have increased with BBBJ being offered as a regular service.

However, if you offer a tip after the event or before but in private to the WG , you will be much appreciated.

The forum does increase awareness of pricing and locations. When we add reports to the forum about new locations or changes in old locations we increase traffic patterns to these areas. This can cause price increases if enough people pay more than required. As more people come to a location, word will spread quickly in China and more WGs will arrive, causing the price to fall again because of increased competition.

The ratio of working girls in BBS to paying customers in most cases is more than 5 WG to each potential customer at any time. The supply is much greater than the demand. It is very rare to not have any WGs available.

In some markets, Singapore for example there are some antimarket factors that take place:
1. Geylang - price for locals (Asian men) S$40 for ST(20minutes?)
price for Caucasian foreigners S$80 for ST (45minutes). The price for foreigners is double. The foreigners get more time but in the end you still only get one pop. Not fair for foreigners.
2. Orchard Towers, Ipanema Bar Alot has been written about the Vietnamese Union or Phillipina Union in which most VN of PI nationals will stick to the same price. This is also anticompetitive. In many cases they will get no business because of the 'higher' prices they try to command because other workers have not joined their union etc.

The ISG forum has the effect, by spreading knowledge of locations, services and PRICING, as our own form of anti-union. As we know better and learn more we can become more effective consumers (mongers).

I feel that those who boast about paying more in the forum are really big dicks (see the Swinging Dick theory). I don't think that others in the forum respect or appreciate their reckless overspending when they should know better.

To get the best service, treat your WG with respect, try to communicate with her. If she takes care of you, give her a tip afterwards.

Respect, care and compassion are more valuable commodities than simple cash.

Jayson420

11-11-07, 01:53

I had heard about Ubar and finally made my way there a few weeks ago.

Feedback was that they stayed open late. Like 6am late.

I went there with a few of my bros after my normal drinking place closed. It was probably around 3am.

There was about 10 philipino girls in there. Some dancing and some sitting alone in the bar.

I am pretty sure all of them were WGs. I didn't like anything I saw so I left emptyhanded. I just wanted to report on this based on what I had seen posted previously by OWL.

Cowa Banga

11-11-07, 06:54

Santa,

I'm all of those times 100. By the way, I read your stuff like the bible.

FurryFriend

11-11-07, 06:56

The ISG forum has the effect, by spreading knowledge of locations, services and PRICING, as our own form of anti-union. As we know better and learn more we can become more effective consumers (mongers).

I feel that those who boast about paying more in the forum are really big dicks (see the Swinging Dick theory). I don't think that others in the forum respect or appreciate their reckless overspending when they should know better.

I think you've wildly overestimated the exposure and influence of this forum. The fact is, less than 1% of 1% of mongerers in Shenzhen read this forum. Calls to keep prices low by agreement here will do nothing.

And even if our exposure is wider, it will do no good. That's because the price of girls operate entirely on market forces, not on what consumers collectively decide on what they want to pay. ECONOMIC LAW: If a girl is super hot, she will charge more and still get customers. If she charges the same, she would get so many customers that she'd be a fool not to raise her prices. You talk of using "[r]espect, care and compassion", instead of overpaying, to get girls to perform. Very naive, my friend. She's in the industry to maximize wealth, not to garner respect, care or compassion from strangers.

Besides, it's good that some consumers overpay. If a girl is hot, getting handsomely paid will give her added incentive to stay in the business. Although some guys can't afford her, it's better than her dropping out all together so that NO guys can have her.

And don't worry thinking overpaying will raise the prices of all girls. It doesn't work that way. As you've said, vaginas are in infinite supply in China. Only the hottest girls can get away with overcharging.

Why does a mongerer overpay? Because he wants to develop a good rapport with the girl (or mamasan) in hopes he can return for good services. Completely logical. Seriously, do you expect a mongerer to care about some silly price agreement on a forum and putting the interest of strangers above his own?

Your intentions are good. But it's terribly naive to think this forum can put even a minute dent on market forces.

Yellow Fever #2

11-11-07, 08:29

I think you've wildly overestimated the exposure and influence of this forum. The fact is, less than 1% of 1% of mongerers in Shenzhen read this forum. Calls to keep prices low by agreement here will do nothing.

It is hard to estimate the exposure and influence of this forum but almost certainly it is several magnitudes greater than 1% of 1%. I would guest that perhaps 1% of mongers are registered members and much more, maybe 20% possibly much more have found the forum and read the reports. This forum is very well known.

Lots of people like to read but are worried or don't have time/energy/stories to contribute.

As this website is in the top 10,000 busiest worldwide web sites (Alexa), it porbably gets tens of thousands of hits daily.

I suspect that any Western male coming to a foreign country who decides before he visits to search for sex on the web will find this site or one of the competitors sites. They will often use this information in choosing a hotel to stay at and what type of entertainment they may look for.

Your estimates are way too low.

Perhaps you can make an information survey of foreigners in Shenzhen in the Seibu area or Sha Tsui or Shekou, Changping and ask them how they found or why the know about the location. I suspect that a majority of them are readers or friends of readers of this forum.

I have personally met some forum members in my searches and I am sure others that I have met that say they are not forum members actual are aware of this forum.

At other times, I have introduced the forum to people I have met on the streets and in the bars. I think the forum is a perfect resource for the travelling businessman/mongerer.

ISG is very popular. Jackson does a great job promoting and maintaining it.

And even if our exposure is wider, it will do no good. That's because the price of girls operate entirely on market forces, not on what consumers collectively decide on what they want to pay. ECONOMIC LAW: If a girl is super hot, she will charge more and still get customers. If she charges the same, she would get so many customers that she'd be a fool not to raise her prices. You talk of using "[r]espect, care and compassion", instead of overpaying, to get girls to perform. Very naive, my friend. She's in the industry to maximize wealth, not to garner respect, care or compassion from strangers.

I disagree. Perhaps you should try to show some respect to the girls. of course she wants to maximize her wealth and get out of the business, go back to her hometown and open up a restaurant to support her parents but she still needs to feel comfortable with her John.

Besides, it's good that some consumers overpay. If a girl is hot, getting handsomely paid will give her added incentive to stay in the business. Although some guys can't afford her, it's better than her dropping out all together so that NO guys can have her.

Again, I disagree. She will stay in the business as long as it suits her. If you overpay in advance, you are an idiot. Treat her well and tip her afterwards will have much better results.

And don't worry thinking overpaying will raise the prices of all girls. It doesn't work that way. As you've said, vaginas are in infinite supply in China. Only the hottest girls can get away with overcharging.

I like how you call it overcharging. It seems you agree with me.

Sure if does. Mongers who overpay will have an effect mostly on the mamasan. The individual WG will not see much long term affect from it. The mamasan will try to keep her prices high if swinging dicks offer too much.

The result will be that YOU will get less pussy for the same amount of money.

Why does a mongerer overpay? Because he wants to develop a good rapport with the girl (or mamasan) in hopes he can return for good services. Completely logical. Seriously, do you expect a mongerer to care about some silly price agreement on a forum and putting the interest of strangers above his own?

Your intentions are good. But it's terribly naive to think this forum can put even a minute dent on market forces.

Jerks who overpay should be banned from the forum. At least they should not get respect from the membership.

I would hope that the educated forum member will try to get a good value and TIP AFTERWARDS in PRIVATE.

After all, getting your 'end off' is only the end part of the monger experience. The monger experience also includes: the search, the idle chat with the girls (in the BBS) and the NEGOTIATION. If you decide blindly to offer rediculous amounts of cash to her you lose a good part of the enjoyment of the experience for you and for her. And you will look foolish in the end.

Furias

11-11-07, 09:12

I am a new member to this forum and only recently discovered it, although now I'm kicking myself for not researching sooner. I believe that this site is not hard to find if you know what you're looking for.

I've been living in Nanshan for two years now, but for most of that time I've had a live in Chinese girlfriend and have not ventured out for mongering. When I first came to China I was introduced to Changping (hot and cold baby! ) and several FS saunas in Bao'an, but never the BBS scene. RTFF and doing a little research here I believe is going to be unbelievable helpful to begin "learning the ropes". Like many other SZ expats I get requests from visitors to go out and see the female sights, and it is somewhat daunting if you don't know how to begin. I was always curious about the BBS just north of Shekou (you can't really miss the pink/blue lights) but I always just assumed they were for locals and not laowei. Reading here that they are for "guys like us" is nice to know. I mean why not? There are certainly plenty of zhong guo ren at Starbucks.

My only experience with overpaying was in Shekou last year, when I took a visiting friend to one of the girly bars down from the boat. We each got a HJ behind the curtain, but the mama ripped us off and charged a fortune for drinks. I wish I had found this forum before that experience.

Looking forward to soon being a contributing member.

FurryFriend

11-11-07, 10:01

It is hard to estimate the exposure and influence of this forum but almost certainly it is several magnitudes greater than 1% of 1%. I would guest that perhaps 1% of mongers are registered members and much more, maybe 20% possibly much more have found the forum and read the reports. This forum is very well known.

I was also including mongers who don't speak English or read English websites. Surely, the overwhelming majority of mongerers in Shenzhen aren't Westerners.

I disagree. Perhaps you should try to show some respect to the girls.

I'm not saying respect isn't important. But clearly, money is her primarily motive for being in the industry. If she can charge $400 per session with respect or $800 per session without respect, I'm sure I know which one she'd be inclined to select.

If you overpay in advance, you are an idiot.

Very attractive women will always charge a premium. A mongerer may be an idiot for going along with it. But only an idiot would doesn't understand capitalism would expect her not to maximize her advantage.

Besides, most mongerers are indeed idiots. When there is a very attractive women around, mongerers tend to think with their dicks, not with their brains...and certainly not with what they've read online.

I like how you call it overcharging. It seems you agree with me.

Hey, don't think I'm advocating overcharging or overpaying! I don't take joy in seeing people do it (or brag about it). I'm just stating why it happens, how it happens, and why this forum can never stop it.

This reminds me of people who email others asking them not to gas up on certain days to force oil companies to lower their prices. Calls for consumers to unite on the web never work. Economic law and self-interest are two forces that will always triumph. These two forces are, in fact, why Mao-styled socialism and collectivism has become a relic of Chinese history.

FACT: You can call overpayers all sorts of nasty names and threaten to ban them. But those who are inclined to overpaying will still do it and not care about the "consequences" exerted on this forum (why would they care?!) or will simply never admit it. Just accept it as a fact of mongering life and move on...

If you can state one reason why a mongerer should promote the interest of strangers on this forum over his own perceived personal interest, I'd like to hear it.

Terry K

11-11-07, 10:29

Hi, all bros in Shenzhen.

I went to Shenzhen on 17/10/07 for a business trip, when reached there I went to visit my friend who work as a sale manager in Shenzhen. By the time, my friend was interviewing his new employee, so I join the interview event since I am very KPC, then there came a girl, name Xia, not bad looking, shy and about age 30. She looked for a job as sale executive and she was a teacher in XingJiang.

After the interview, we went for dinner with my friend and Xia. Then bla bla bla. Then we sent her back home, by the time, I have her handphone number.

The next morning, I decided to try my luck and call the girl to invite her to Window of The World and she agreed. We went to shopping mall before Window of the World. And I felt like having tour with GF.

We came back to Shenzhen city at about 7:30pm and she followed me back to my hotel. At that moment, I know I should score. Hehe. At first, she is quite shy, trying to stop me when I put my hand underneath her clothes. After 15-20 mins, she became hot and took off her clothes by herself. Of course, by the time, I quickly removed all my clothes and start the mission. I gave her a catbath till she is wet, until she start moaning, until she is ready to let me go in. The rest is SOP. She is very very tight, I didn't last long for the first round and explore.

Brought her out for a dinner, now both of us stick together like BF and GF, what a nice feeling!

Then back to hotel for the 2nd round, this time she put her initiative, gave me a nice catbath and BBBJ, damn shiok! But I can feel she is inexperience, that turn me on further. Then another round gone.

By the time, was about 10pm. So we hug together and had a nice sleep.

Before I checked out from hotel, we did another round. I found life in Shenzhen is damn meaningful! Hahaha.

Then I sent her back and went straight to railway station heading to Guangzhou.

Name : Xia
Age : 30
FK : 6/10
BBBJ : 7/10
FJ : 9/10 - so tight
Damage : RMB 240 (Window of the world for 2) + RMB 260 (hotel)

As she is not a WL or FL, I dont think I will give out the contact, sorry buddies...

And to be continue...

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Old Mean Dog

11-11-07, 17:51

FACT: You can call overpayers all sorts of nasty names and threaten to ban them. But those who are inclined to overpaying will still do it and not care about the "consequences" exerted on this forum (why would they care?!) or will simply never admit it. Just accept it as a fact of mongering life and move on...

If you can state one reason why a mongerer should promote the interest of strangers on this forum over his own perceived personal interest, I'd like to hear it.

You are right, there is no way to stop BSD's from overpaying, it is their money and they can spend it any way they like. ISG is an exchange of information about sex, with that being said, many of us who live here, try to help out others coming here in many ways.

I have shown many around town, taken them on tours, booked hotels, booked KTV rooms and given them the low down on how things work around here. I would hope they would respect those of us members who live and work here by adhearing to the prices stated in these forums, if they chose to be BSD's anyway, then that is one member I will never help again.

It is funny, how some guys will PM me asking to get the "cheapest" price at a hotel, but will hand out yuan to the xiaojies as if it was their business card.

On a whole, we probably do makeup a small % of the mongers coming to S. China. We can never stop anyone paying what they see fit nor do we have the power to control the prices. All we can do is try to enlighten others about how the game is played and hope they will respect those of us that monger here full time.

As I and Yellow Fever #2 have said recently, try to pay the market price for pussy then, if you have the urge to give them wads of cash, do it in a tip after the service has been provided.

-CPE

SkyPilot35

11-12-07, 04:39

Heading to Lo Wu and Seibu this afternoon for shopping and late 30s american.

Anyone with local knowledge interested in tagging along?

Steve

Wadman

11-12-07, 08:39

The way I see it, price for pussy in China is set in 3 ways:

1. Demand/Supply which influences price. This has been discussed ad nauseum already.

2. "What the market will bear" = providers will try to charge you as much as they can get away with. DeBeers does the same with their diamonds. Some places in Canada have higher prices for gasoline just because people are willing to pay it there.

Price policies are mostly set by mamas/pimps/owners btw, not the girls individually (unless she is a true FL). From time to time, the mamas will have a coordinated effort trying to raise the standard price by an extra 50 rmb, say. They will tell you that this is the "new, lowest price". Only when the majority of their customers refuse, do they go back to the original price.

This is especially true for laowai's of course, they want to see what the "laowai market" will bear so it is usually much tougher for a laowai to get the standard price.

3. The "China factor". In this case, it is the unbelievable memory that everybody seems to have here. They will remember you from your last visit, even if it was many months ago. If you ever overpay, they will remember it forever, and that is the price you will pay forever. If you are part of a group that overpays (even if you did not partake yourself), you too are branded as a sucker.

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Generally speaking I agree that foreigners/ISG'ers have a minimal impact on the pricing because of the small numbers. This is less true for places that draw a lot of foreigners. For example, the pink apartments in Luohu. Lots of foreigners/laowai's there. Mamas are always trying to scam you there, bad attitudes from the girls. Generally, I avoid the pink apartments and the Luohu station area.

Santa

11-12-07, 09:00

The way I see it, price for pussy in China is set in 3 ways:

1. Demand/Supply

2. "What the market will bear"

3. The "China factor". .

My good friend Professor Wadman has a PhD in Sexual Economics from Guangdong University.

Professor Wadman is very famous in Shenzhen and is very well known by all of the mamas and working girls. They call him Professor Tightwad! :D

Acejack

11-12-07, 09:16

Have been to Shenzhen often enough to know my way around but this time am travelling without my wife :) lol !

Cannot send personal messages using ISG but I dont know if I can receive them?

Anyway will be in the Shangrila front downstairs coffee lounge 7.00pm Tuesday 20 November if anyone is interested in hooking up.

Happy to buy a few drinks especially if you have a few clues regards local mongering scene. Will be in Shenzhen for 3 nights and am hoping to leave with some idea of hotspots, good places to go etc.

Also will post on ISG any more information (if that is possible) and experiences that I or we have.

Looking forward to it and hope to catch up with some of you soon.

ACEJACK

Wizzy2007

11-12-07, 14:50

I see that you have 808 posts and the words "Senior Member" under your name, doesn't this qualify you?

Wizzy, maybe Senior Sex Sensei OWL will make you his student if you ask him real nice. Otherwise, RTFF, posts about how to get to the Seibu area, has been mentioned like a 1,000 times already.

-CPE

BTW: Here's a hint, SEIBU, Luohu, Shenzhen, China.CPE yes true SEIBU has been mentioned countless times. But my Professor OWL went million miles further by producing a well detailed map showing all the strategic and important hunting spots.

Its worth more than all those descriptions put altogether in the forum.

ANy ways as he advised I will use my "four" legs to explore all alleys around.

Wizzy2007

Beijing Xiber

11-12-07, 18:18

Hi BA:

Thanks for the number of your service providers agent, but I am sorry to report that I was just quoted a st rate of 800, not the 250 mentioned in your posts.

Maybe when you are here you can reconfirm the price and let me know what I did wrong. I called asked for Showrie per your recommendation, was todl she was not availble, then asked for someone who looks like her, then got quoted first1,000 which was imemdiatley broought down to 800 when I gasped.

Keep safe.

BJXB

Hello All,

I see that the endless debate continues! I would be pissed if prices in my local currencies keep appreciating, though from my previous RTFFs and these days, the price in SZ seems to be pretty stable, especially for you regulars.

In SZ Nov. 18,19,20,

Have the morning and afternoon to spend in HK on 21 (flight is at midnight 22)

Daved35

11-12-07, 20:28

Gents

There you all go, Pic with exactly down to the meter where to find it. Check the bottom left corner

Download google earth and you can get the gals almost standing in the street waving there tits at ya all.

Im still getting road pussy at 150 a touch and all nights with multi pops at 400 , good grades and cock workers.

My Freebies are dominating now so I only chase when necessary. Word of mouth is great with these girls, at 2am I order in some food and before you know it i have 3-5 squealing hotties in for the late night snack. Then its seeing who has one last shot in them.

By the way mt PIMP is still at 200 a pop for quality.

Russuk112

11-13-07, 01:16

Hi All

My first report so apologise if a little poor, but after being a lurker on this board for a few months, thought it was about time to give something back.

Recently returned to the UK from a business trip to Shenzhen staying in Skekou for the duration.

One freebie and 2 SW. First was the freebie who I started talking to via MSN whilst in the uk after contact on on a Chinese dating site, meet her in the V Bar Crown Plaza had a great night and went back to her place afterwards total cost 40RMB 1 drink (not me being tight thats all she wanted) and then 20RMB for a taxi! Bargain I think.

2nd was a SW in Shekou who gave a great GFE and no issue with BBBJ CIM and then the second pop in multipule positions, spoke ok english as well. Guess she was a 7/10 great bod, small perfect breast, Damage RMB200 + 20 Taxi

3rd was another SW in Shekou who did not speak much English at all, this one was prob an 8. 5, good GFE again no issue with BBBJ but no CIM (fair enough) this one though took me to her apt (didn't feel very comfortable) all I could think about was a few Chinese guys storming the place and robbing me or worse! Didn't help my performance hence only one pop as I just wanted to get out of there due to the location. Just seemed dodgy, but I am a white guy from the UK with not that much experience in China. Yet

Again apologises if a little poor, but its my first report any Q's please ask.

Thanks again for the useful forum.

Cheers

Russ

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ManonsanBoy

11-13-07, 23:14

Gents

There you all go, Pic with exactly down to the meter where to find it. Check the bottom left corner

By the way mt PIMP is still at 200 a pop for quality.

THANKS. That is great.

Bounce Around

11-14-07, 04:05

Hi BA:

Thanks for the number of your service providers agent, but I am sorry to report that I was just quoted a st rate of 800, not the 250 mentioned in your posts.
BJXBHi,

I am back in SZ on 17th. Will check up on it, though this time i am hoping to hook up with a bro or two and surf siebu and bars/KTV if anyone is up to it. I am staying at a much more gf hotel in Hua Qiang Bei, so getting to Siebu and leaving with one or two would be easier. David35 did confirm he is still getting 200, so, I don't know, maybe you sound rich!! :-)

Acejack

11-14-07, 07:08

Hello Bounce,

Am staying at the Panglin for 3 nights from November 20 and would love to hook up with Bounce Around and other distinguished mongerers.

Have not done the Shenzhen tour as yet although I have been in town a few times but been too busy to have a good look around.

Hope to hook up soon!!

Acejack

Jayson420

11-14-07, 18:03

Anyway will be in the Shangrila front downstairs coffee lounge 7.00pm Tuesday 20 November if anyone is interested in hooking up.

Happy to buy a few drinks especially if you have a few clues regards local mongering scene. Will be in Shenzhen for 3 nights and am hoping to leave with some idea of hotspots, good places to go etc.

Also will post on ISG any more information (if that is possible) and experiences that I or we have.

Looking forward to it and hope to catch up with some of you soon.

ACEJACKIs this guy looking to hook up with ISG members? Or is he wanting P4P?

Its hard to tell with this report?

-Meet in the lounge/bar
-buy you some drinks
-catch up on the fucking scene
-then he will post on the experiences "WE" have

Sounds too gay for me. LOL

Dark34

11-14-07, 22:06

Been a lurker long enought so I post some news flash. Just come back from happy time in chanping / Dong guan to Shenzhen. Check in my usual girl friendly hotel, near futian walmart. However all the BBS around there are closed with a strong lock in front, I do not see the usual goverment "X" sticker, thus I do not think its police. Any ISG member care to englight me on this issue, else I need to check in to other area like sia sha (small sand).

Also any ISG member who are in Shenzhen, want to meetup? For some bbs, sauna fun? I will be in shenzhen till Sunday 18/11.

Acejack

11-15-07, 05:23

Up till now I was straight but that all changed when the big J came into my life.

J really does it for me and I cant wait to see him!

Check out my Ningbo posts you bozo!

I know it takes all types but this guy is a cretin.

Acejack

Jayson420

11-16-07, 04:39

I know it takes all types but this guy is a cretin. Man lighten up. Life is too short. I was phucking joking.

I contribute to the forum just as you do. Read my reports I contributed. Just trying to liven things up a bit around here.

Bob Vu2007

11-16-07, 06:29

Old Mean Dog

11-16-07, 09:09

Hello everyone,

First thanks to everyone contribution in here. I have enjoy reading many of your reports, but I don't adventure like many of you. I have went to the BBS in Seibu, but too chicken to get inside to any BBS. I got my kick from the pimp near my hotel. I have bargain to get 200 RMB a pop, sometimes I get 2 girl for 400 RMB. A few night ago I got a young one, but she kept insist of 300. I gave it to her anyway. I like girl go to my hotel, it make me feel saver and she can take a shower before and after.

OK, here is the real question. I might move here next year or Late December. Can someone here recommand a good safe place to live for around 3000 RMB. Somewhere near Lou Hu or Futian but near the Metro to get around easily. I think if I go to the agent, they will charge alot or take me to a very expensive places.

City Square Apartments are around 3000-3500 and one of the nicer places to live in downtown Luohu, across the street from Mixc Mall and Metro. Otherwise do go to an agent. They only charge a half months rent for their services and just tell them the price range you are looking for. If you need an English speaking agent in Luohu, shoot me a PM, I know one and she is pretty hot looking to boot.

-CPE

Johnny Chan

11-16-07, 11:18

City Square Apartments are nice indeed, and very conveniently located. If you lease for at least 6 months to a year, you can get 1br units for as low as 2600. Do you speak Chinese? If so, then you don't need to go through an agent. Just come to the building you prefer and talk to the guards downstairs. These guys know which units are up for rent in the building and can show them to you. They'll either have the keys or be able to get the keys from a nearby agent. If you strike a deal with the owner, just pay them a few hundred and they'll be happy. Owners like going through them as well since they save quite a bit on agent fees as well. If you need help, PM me.

City Square Apartments are around 3000-3500 and one of the nicer places to live in downtown Luohu, across the street from Mixc Mall and Metro. Otherwise do go to an agent. They only charge a half months rent for their services and just tell them the price range you are looking for. If you need an English speaking agent in Luohu, shoot me a PM, I know one and she is pretty hot looking to boot.

-CPE

Cleaning Boy

11-16-07, 18:47

Apac Man

11-16-07, 23:23

City Square Apartments are nice indeed, and very conveniently located...I am assuming these are unfurnished apartments. How much a furnished and/or service apartment goes for in SZ?

Thanks in advance,

W

Old Mean Dog

11-17-07, 03:41

I am assuming these are unfurnished apartments. How much a furnished and/or service apartment goes for in SZ?

Thanks in advance,

W

90% of the time, these are furnished apartments by the owner. The apartments are a bit cheaper in the older buildings overlooking SZ (Bldg B, C, D) but gain in price in the newer Bldgs that overlook the HK border (E, F)

They also have service apartments there (Bldg A) which includes almost everything and a maid, but rather on the high side from 8,000-8,800 rmb a month.

Johnny Chan is correct about the guards acting as agents, my friends rents his apartment there, through the guards.

-CPE

Tile Man4

11-17-07, 03:52

Newbe to China,

I'm in Guangzhou for a few days and I've read nothing but go things about Shenzhen (on this site). I don't necessarily need a hooker, I'd just like to hang out with a, let's say, "paid consultant" / escort that is dressed to the 9's and willing to provide services on demand for a day or two package deal.

Where would I want to look to find someone fitting this description?

I've looked online a bit and have asked the hotel staff about locations, but they nothing's panning out.

Help!

Like it or not CB , you will get a hooker. You just need one that will pretend that she is not a hooker but act like one when you demand her services. I am sure CPE will advise you. He and others are much more experienced than I am about Shenzhen.

Take care and be safe

tile man

Acejack

11-17-07, 03:59

Point taken Jayson.

Happy mongering!!

Acejack

OldAsiaHand

11-17-07, 04:39

Dark34,

Now this is what I call a great first post. You report provides useful up to date information.

Over the past couple of years, Futian BBS have been hit or miss. The last time I was there about 2 months ago, it was business as usual.

That said, sometimes they are open, other times, they are not. It seems to depend on the wind. The closure is not official so you will not see the "X". The mamasans get the word that the heat is on so they close up and wait it out. However, at night, you can usually find the girls from the shops standing in the alleys next to the shops. Other times, you may see the mamasan standing on the street to take you into the shop through the alley around the back.

The best BBS area in SZ at the moment is Seibu by far, but do not go too early. Best after 8:00PM or so. The good thing about Futian was that most shops have talent by noon so are good for afternoon treats.

Happy Hunting!

OAH

Been a lurker long enought so I post some news flash. Just come back from happy time in chanping / Dong guan to Shenzhen. Check in my usual girl friendly hotel, near futian walmart. However all the BBS around there are closed with a strong lock in front, I do not see the usual goverment "X" sticker, thus I do not think its police. Any ISG member care to englight me on this issue, else I need to check in to other area like sia sha (small sand).

Also any ISG member who are in Shenzhen, want to meetup? For some bbs, sauna fun? I will be in shenzhen till Sunday 18/11.

Wadman

11-17-07, 06:03

OAH,

JohnnyChan and me dropped by on Futian Walmart on Thursday around 9 PM and can report the same: every single BBS shop was closed, but no "X" so temporary.

As for Seibu:
Wednesday: BBS shops were closed around 10 PM.
Thursday: BBS shops closed around 8 PM, open when we checked at 1 AM.
Friday: BBS shops open around 10 PM.

The Seibu SWs are there every night, they come out around 9-10 PM. These girls allegedly have a regular daytime job and do this for extra money (so they say...). Interesting note: there is now a police cubicle right beside the spot where the SWs stand!

We, meaning Santa, JohnnyChan and me had a talk over beers with a pimp on Friday night. He says that the cops come around 7-10 PM, and sometimes they have to close up shop. At least, I think that's what he said because his Mandarin was terrible.

Dark34,

Now this is what I call a great first post. You report provides useful up to date information.

Over the past couple of years, Futian BBS have been hit or miss. The last time I was there about 2 months ago, it was business as usual.

That said, sometimes they are open, other times, they are not. It seems to depend on the wind. The closure is not official so you will not see the "X". The mamasans get the word that the heat is on so they close up and wait it out. However, at night, you can usually find the girls from the shops standing in the alleys next to the shops. Other times, you may see the mamasan standing on the street to take you into the shop through the alley around the back.

The best BBS area in SZ at the moment is Seibu by far, but do not go too early. Best after 8:00PM or so. The good thing about Futian was that most shops have talent by noon so are good for afternoon treats.

Happy Hunting!

OAH

Johnny Chan

11-17-07, 06:37

We, meaning Santa, JohnnyChan and me had a talk over beers with a pimp on Friday night. He says that the cops come around 7-10 PM, and sometimes they have to close up shop. At least, I think that's what he said because his Mandarin was terrible.

Lets call him Birthday Pimp from now on...

One thing to add about the overflow SW area, it was still overflowing past 2AM last night, with even greater numbers than earlier in the night.

Cleaning Boy

11-17-07, 09:43

Bob Vu2007

11-17-07, 16:14

Thanks Johnny Chan and CPE for fast reply.

Today I have a friend who speak Mandarin go with me to look for an apartment. We went to an agent in Lou Hu, and she show us at this apartment, and I didn't remember the address. I was too carry away with the worry and forgot to write down the address. The apartment was a bit dirty, small, and dark. The hall way is narrow. I feel like a jail inside. The price is about 2400 RMB to 2600 RMB. After that we adventure to Shekou area. We ask the taxi to take us the agent. The agent show us the a couple apartment inside the Newera Apartment building. We look at serveral apartment with the owner show us around. The Shekou apartment was nicer, brighter inside, bigger hall way. None of the apartment cost more than 2600 RMB. Shekou is a little bit too far from my working place. I am still thinking about it. The number for the Shekou agent is 13612889450 and the agent at Lou Hu is [Telephone Number deleted by Admin] for those that is looking for a place to live. I'll will check out some more and post here later.

Thanks everyone,

BobVu

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Dark34

11-17-07, 19:45

Just got some SW from the BBS, they are now operating at the dark alley, my regular BBS mommy told me it’s because the government are doing check on license to operate business should be business as usual in next few week, too bad I will be away. Will be back in next 1 month or next 2 month, will try to meet up with the ISG gang. Thanks

Dagevin

11-17-07, 22:09

So, had an extra day on my way back to HK, so called to book a room at Guangshen. They only had the "luxury" room for 310 RMB a night. Frankly, I was a bit impressed. The room was fairly nice (for China). The bed was a bit hard, and there are cigarette marks on the carpet, but otherwise, a nice room. I first went down to the bbs around 5pm. The picking was thin, but an aggressive mama convinced to take this young, but a bit pudgy girl from Hunan--150rmb (I am ABC, so easily get Chinese prices). It was nice, but not great. Had dinner, got a haircut, took a nap, and headed back to Seibu around 11pm.

The girls were out in force already. Contrary to previous reports, I found the girls outside of Seibu of higher quality than girls in the bbs next door. I like small girls, and there were some high quality pickings. You just have to tune out the aggressive mamas scream at you and focus on your mission. I ended up introducing myself to Xiaomin from Sichuan (sorry, no pics), nice hard body, small chest, and pretty good looking. She said that it was too early and wanted 800, but we eventually agreed on 500 after the mama intervened to convince her to take the deal, especially given that my hotel was a "classy" joint. We headed back to the hotel (Guangshen was VERY GF, no hassle), showered, but she REFUSED to do a BJ. I was at first pissed, but after we began, I found that she was the TIGHTEST I have ever had (in my 20 or so mongering experience). It was like a tight fist wrapped around me. Despite no BJ, it ended up being totally awesome. I speak Chinese, so we chatted a bit afterward, but within an hour, we were at it again, even though it was my third time for the day. Because of her tightness, I had no trouble at all. We then watched TV, played tickling games, talked until 3am. I felt that I was ready for more, but she suddenly said that "long time means 2 times--that's the rule. " I was like WTF! Where does it say that LT means 2 times? I held myself in check and tried to cajole her into doing it one more time, but she held very firm. Thinking about her tightness, I finally said, okay, if you can get me hard again, I will pay what you want for an extra pop--an extra 300RMB! But gentleman, I was hard in no time, and again it was a great experience. She also put a lot into it as well, and it felt very much like a GFE. So, I ended up spending 800 on her and 150 from the earlier experience for 4 pops, not bad on average.

By logic and convention, it should have been a terrible experience--no BJ, price hike. However, because her body was so wonderful and she was generally friendly and playful, I ended up having the time of my life.

Dagevin

11-17-07, 22:15

Cleanboy, there are a cluster of older buildings next to Seibu, where there are a lot of outdoor restaurants. There are alleys between these restaurants. Just duck into these alleys and explore, look for the pinkish/purple-ish lighting. When you see the glow, just head toward them. You might have to go through a few alleys. Don't be afraid, as long as there are other people in the alleys, you are probably safe. If there is no one in the alley, then don't go in.

Old Mean Dog

11-18-07, 05:05

Ok, I've just walked about a 10k square grip around and including Seibu Dept, I just don't know what some of these guys on here are talking about, unless this place just drastically changed in the last 3 weeks.

I just read a report, can't seem to find it now, no more than 3 weeks old, on this thread, talking about girls lined up by newspaper stands 24/7 outside of and adjacent to Seibu Dept store.

I don't know what this guy is talking about. Maybe I'm missing something here? Someone please advise.

I booked a room at the Panglin, just so I could re-trace this guys exact instructions. Now I guess I'll head over to the so called, "Pink Apartments" near "Lo Wu" station. Bt I've got a funny feeling this is another wild goose chase.

I can go back to Tokyo and meet women for free, you can't even get eye contact with any of these women.

Anyone, care to enlighten me?

Thanks!

The Seibu Area, is actually a little further BEHIND the Seibu Dept. Store, we use Seibu as a Point of Reference. Walk 20 yards, on the road, behind the Seibu Dept Store, to your left you will see a street that has been blocked off by metal gates, enter through the metal gates and walk forward about another 20 yards (skipping the first 2-3 alleys on your right), then choose an alley on the right and walk down it, you will see the girls sitting in the shops, many of them have the pink or blue lights in the shop.

There used to be a time when there were tons of SW in from of the Sunshine, Panglin and Fu Rong Hotels, as well as all out front of the Seibu, but since the police cracked down on them, they have been herded up and corraled into the above mentioned place.

You can still find random SW's around the hotels, but nothing like it used to be.

-CPE

Apac Man

11-18-07, 14:34

The Seibu Area, is actually a little further BEHIND the Seibu Dept. Store, we use Seibu as a Point of Reference. Walk 20 yards, on the road, behind the Seibu Dept Store, to your left you will see a street that has been blocked off by metal gates, enter through the metal gates and walk forward about another 20 yards (skipping the first 2-3 alleys on your right), then choose an alley on the right and walk down it, you will see the girls sitting in the shops, many of them have the pink or blue lights in the shop.

There used to be a time when there were tons of SW in from of the Sunshine, Panglin and Fu Rong Hotels, as well as all out front of the Seibu, but since the police cracked down on them, they have been herded up and corraled into the above mentioned place.

You can still find random SW's around the hotels, but nothing like it used to be.

-CPEI am all confused now CPE!! I am used metric system, how many meters is 20 yards? When I am walking on the street behind Seibu, is Seibu to my left or right? Or do I face it? Or is it behind me? How can I go through a street that is blocked off by a gate? Do I need a secret hand shake or password to open the gate? Please be specific, do I skip 2 or 3 street on the right? What about the streets on the left?

I hope readers realize how nice people like CPE are that they give such a detail information to some of us who don't RTFM. All you have to do is a simple "search" and you will find everything you need to get to Seibu including subway train station, subway exit, aerial photo, GPS coordinate, and step by step hand holding instructions.

Thanks CPE and all other nice senior members,

W

Prince Darkness

11-19-07, 01:53

I was by the BBS by Pangling Hotel. wow, what a view. they have like 40 BBS on 4 street, and unlike CP. These BBS are open, the girls sits right outside for you to choose. Its funny there is lot of guys just walking around just checking out the girls, myself included.

These BBS all have purple light. I found it on random chance.

From Panglin hotel, you walk out, cross the street you walk straghit towards the direction where there is a lot of small restruant. After maybe 100 ft. there is a street that is blocked by like 3feet metal gates. the street contains a lot of regular barber shop. you walking, and you look at streets towards the right, look for the purple lights. If you see the purple lights, you found it.

As for quality, I think Shenzhen may have better quality than CP. and the price is 200 for quick.

The Seibu Area, is actually a little further BEHIND the Seibu Dept. Store, we use Seibu as a Point of Reference. Walk 20 yards, on the road, behind the Seibu Dept Store, to your left you will see a street that has been blocked off by metal gates, enter through the metal gates and walk forward about another 20 yards (skipping the first 2-3 alleys on your right), then choose an alley on the right and walk down it, you will see the girls sitting in the shops, many of them have the pink or blue lights in the shop.

There used to be a time when there were tons of SW in from of the Sunshine, Panglin and Fu Rong Hotels, as well as all out front of the Seibu, but since the police cracked down on them, they have been herded up and corraled into the above mentioned place.

You can still find random SW's around the hotels, but nothing like it used to be.

-CPE

Moody

11-19-07, 08:30

My boy, OWL, wrote...

I was gently advised by my Chinese friends, that If I was gonna invite people to visit China, encourage them to sample the social, cultural, economic aspects of the average local people, rather than taking them straight to the commercial sex zones.

I think they have a valid point. LOL! LOL!

Fuck me!! All my Chinese friends tell me to invite my friends to come over so they'd have more excuses to go out and drink and get laid. I must be hanging out with the wrong crowd of people. :(

Xrelief

11-19-07, 08:48

I am all confused now CPE!! I am used metric system, how many meters is 20 yards? When I am walking on the street behind Seibu, is Seibu to my left or right? Or do I face it? Or is it behind me? How can I go through a street that is blocked off by a gate? Do I need a secret hand shake or password to open the gate? Please be specific, do I skip 2 or 3 street on the right? What about the streets on the left?

I hope readers realize how nice people like CPE are that they give such a detail information to some of us who don't RTFM. All you have to do is a simple "search" and you will find everything you need to get to Seibu including subway train station, subway exit, aerial photo, GPS coordinate, and step by step hand holding instructions.

Thanks CPE and all other nice senior members,

WWanderex and new bros in general,

Just got back from SZ and the attached simple map that i drew could shed some light on the direction to the Seibu BBSs alleys. As CPE pointed out, walk thru the metal gates from the side..car cannot go thru but pedestrians can. No need to show password or show sign signals. Nobody notices you so dont be be a bloody idiot. Its just a normal walk way. Walk about 10 metres into the main alley and off to the side alleys. You need to spend about 4-5 minutes walking around these alleys. Bit darkish if u go at night but generally very safe. You should be able to spot purple-lighted shops and with girls sitting inside them. Looks rating about 4-7. Look for someone you like. No need to take recommendation from mammy. Perhaps advisable to ask mammy which gal willing to do BBBJ or else you may end up with covered BJ or just a straight fuck. Condom provided but better bring your own. Price RMB150. The mammy will ask for RMB50 first. The other 100 u give to gal when finished. There are 2 ways about it. Either u follow your chosen gal walking up to a flat nearby (2 doors away, normally 3th floor, rooms reasonably clean and there are showers off course) to do in-house or u may opt to bring them back to your hotel room. Pretty safe area and gals ok...don't worry. I think to bring out is RMB200. again 50 first to mommy and 150 to gal after u finished with her. I did in-house mostly.

I went to another place as reported in the forum which is near to Seibu ( Hu Bei Xin Cun ) and there are alleys there too with the same setup ( Purple lights and pretty gals mostly 18-22 years old). Must be around 10-20 of these shops. It is about 500 meters walking distance from Gold hotel side of the road where u do a 90 degree turn to your left on the next major road. Continue walking to the end of the road until the next traffic light and you should be able to see lots of seafood restaurants on the street across. The "cun" or modern concrete village ( building blocks usually 5-6 stories high) would be behind these restaurants. Walk into the back and look for the purple lights. Not the swirling barber lights but purplish/pink lights. These lights do not blink ok...haha.

Good luck and keep safe

Xrelief

Xrelief

11-19-07, 08:58

I am all confused now CPE!! I am used metric system, how many meters is 20 yards? When I am walking on the street behind Seibu, is Seibu to my left or right? Or do I face it? Or is it behind me? How can I go through a street that is blocked off by a gate? Do I need a secret hand shake or password to open the gate? Please be specific, do I skip 2 or 3 street on the right? What about the streets on the left?

I hope readers realize how nice people like CPE are that they give such a detail information to some of us who don't RTFM. All you have to do is a simple "search" and you will find everything you need to get to Seibu including subway train station, subway exit, aerial photo, GPS coordinate, and step by step hand holding instructions.

Thanks CPE and all other nice senior members,

WWanderex and new bros in general,

Just got back from SZ and the attached simple map could shed some light on the direction to the Seibu BBSs alleys. As CPE pointed out, walk through the metal boom gates from the sides..cars cannot go through but pedestrians can. There are several seafood restaurants next to this lane. No need to show password or show sign signals. Nobody notices you so dont be be a bloody idiot. Its just a normal walk way. Walk about 10 metres into the main lane and off to the side alleys. You need to spend about 4-5 minutes walking around these alleys. Bit darkish if u go at night but generally very safe. You should be able to spot purple-lighted shops and with girls sitting inside them. Looks rating about 4-7. Look for someone you like. No need to take recommendation from mammy. Perhaps advisable to ask mammy which gal willing to do BBBJ or else you may end up with covered BJ or just a straight fuck. Condom provided but better bring your own. Price RMB150. The mammy will ask for RMB50 first. The other 100 u give to gal when finished. There are 2 ways about it. Either u follow your chosen gal walking up to a flat nearby (2 doors away, normally 3th floor, rooms reasonably clean and there are showers off course) to do in-house or u may opt to bring them back to your hotel room. Pretty safe area and gals ok...don't worry. I think to bring out is RMB200. again 50 first to mommy and 150 to gal after u finished with her. I did in-house mostly.

I went to another place as reported in the forum which is near to Seibu ( Hu Bei Xin Cun ) and there are alleys there too with the same setup ( Purple lights and pretty gals mostly 18-22 years old). Must be around 10-20 of these shops. It is about 500 meters walking distance from Gold hotel side of the road where u do a 90 degree turn to your left on the next major road. Continue walking to the end of the road until the next traffic light and you should be able to see lots of seafood restaurants on the street across. The "cun" or modern concrete village ( building blocks usually 5-6 stories high) would be behind these restaurants. Walk into the back and look for the purple lights. Not the swirling barber lights but purpelish/pink lights. The swirling types are genuine/normal barber shops for real haircuts/wash etc. No hanky panky in these. So do not ask the wrong ones. The purpelish lights do not blink ok...haha.

Good luck and keep safe

Xrelief

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Bounce Around

11-19-07, 10:25

Gold Sun Club - 0755 83039862, 13798441923

Was in the mood for a good steam and massage. Went to this place, right outside from the metro stop hua qiang Lu opposite side from the underground shopping mall. In the street with the 'Suning' building, but opposite side on the corner, inside some 'inn'(forgot the name). Its hard to miss the place, on the corner outside there is a very prettily dressed girl standing at a podium, and you just go up to her and ask for 'an mo' (i don't know what that means, she said it)

Inside on the 3rd floor. A pretty big, safe and clean set up. Communal showers, Steam (dry and hot). I passed on the communal steam. Went inside and asked for Japanese massage, 108RMB, in private room with a comfy mattress on the ground (the japanese aspect of the thing!)

I had girl number 95, VERY Good massage for 2 hours, she had me hard by the time i was flipped over, the happy ending was for 100RMB (i can't speak chinese and we agreed on that with her showing me her previous tip slips and hand signals) The finish was agonizingly slow and great, she was really into it. At a total of 208 RMB it was well supperior to a half hearted, down to business FS.

Will go again.

OldAsiaHand

11-19-07, 12:59

As for quality, I think Shenzhen may have better quality than CP. and the price is 200 for quick.

Prince Darkness,

The place you are referring to is the Seibu BBS area and the price is 150 RMB ST.

OAH

Wadman

11-19-07, 13:11

I was just about to say the same: 150 rmb ST for Seibu and HuBeiXinCun BBSs.

There is a disturbing trend lately for some shops to insist on a 50 rmb upfront payment, even if you do the deed there. This is going to be another one of those things, whereby if enough guys give in, it's going to be the new standard.

Prince Darkness,

The place you are referring to is the Seibu BBS area and the price is 150 RMB ST.

OAH

Apac Man

11-19-07, 14:03

Wanderex and new bros in general,

Just got back from SZ and the attached simple map that i drew could shed some light on the direction to the Seibu BBSs alleys... Thanks Xrelief,

I hope it was obvious that I was being sarcastic when asking all those silly questions. I forgot to put the "smily" in my message. :) I went to Seibu last April and I found all I needed as far as how to get there by just doing a search on the word "Seibu". As I said, there are many messages here that has the detail direction, including yours now, that can give even a door knob enough clue as to where Sibue is.

In any case, thank you for the message.

Regards,

W

Sukhumvitter

11-19-07, 16:41

Since we are giving good directions to places in Shenzhen. Here goes.

The Shazui area is off of Sha Zui road (this Sha is the character for sand) just south (toward HK) of Binhe blvd. (Sha = "Shaw", Zui = "Zoo-way")

The best thing I've found to get there is to tell the taxi to take you to the Sha Zui Hotel (hotel = "Joe-Dee-An"). Exit the lobby and cross the main road going west (toward the Macdonald's). Keep walking down this street for about 100 yards or so until you get to a Gate-like structure on your left with a guard shack and and a car tollbooth. The gate is a large Tall structure that you might not notice as a gate when you are close to it. Go into the gate and walk past the traffic circle (where the taxi's are hanging out). Walk down and take any street to your left. You will find girls in the allyways.

The price is 150 and the action starts late (after 10: 30/11 PM).

Good hunting

Santa

11-19-07, 16:45

OldAsiaHand

11-20-07, 03:33

1. Wadman and I visited HuBeiXinCun. We decided to take 2 gals from the same shop and the girls were willing, but then the mamasan insisted on ALL of the money up front. We said no and walked.

Was that the right thing to do? I could tell that Wadman was disappointed His girl was very pretty and had the right attitude.

2. Many of the gals in Shenzhen will not go with foreigners. One mama told Wadman they don't like foreigners because sometimes they are "rough with the girls". I wonder if that is true?

Why is it that so many girls a Shenzhen will refuse foreigners?

Santa,

1. Yes. I always walk if they want all the money upfront. Once the money is in their hands there is no incentive to provide good service. Last time I was in Seibu the mama also tried to get her 50RMB upfront, but I refused. I always give the 150 RMB to the girl after the deed and let her pay off the mommy.

2) I almost never believe a word that mamas tell me. Even the ones that I have been doing business with for years. From personal experience, I reckon the overall rejection rate is around 30%. It used to be higher in Sha Tsui than other BBS areas of SZ. Some shops can be completely non-foreigner friendly. However, the rejection rate goes way down when the mamas/girls get to know you and a few of the girls have already been with you. I reckon the biggest fear is that all foreigners are hung like John Holmes and can fuck them forever. They may watch too many porno flicks.

Just my POV.

OAH

P.S. If it is any consolation, I can remember going to KTV over 10 years ago and the mamas had to scour the bottom of the barrel to even find one girl that would do a foreigner. It was usually a butt ugly pig that wanted 3X the standard rate. Times have certainly changed for the better!

Acejack

11-20-07, 04:18

Am in Shenzhen for 3 nights from Tuesday.

If any bros are up for a few KTVs or whatever happy to join in and hunt a bit of *unt!

As said before will go to the downstairs part of Shangrila @ about 7pm.

Cheers,

Acejack

Apac Man

11-20-07, 06:50

...

P.S. If it is any consolation, I can remember going to KTV over 10 years ago and the mamas had to scour the bottom of the barrel to even find one girl that would do a foreigner. It was usually a butt ugly pig that wanted 3X the standard rate. Times have certainly changed for the better!I was in Xian not long ago and we went to the KTV at the hotel where we were staying and I was the only foreigner in the group of 5. Picking a girl was no problem and she was very nice and friendly all night long. At the end of the night I said that I was interested in taking her up and there was some discussion back and forth in Chinese between her and the manager and then she said she will meet me up in the room. 15 minutes later she walks in announcing she has her period and therefore she can not be with me, BUT there is another girl that would! I said no thanks and pointed to the door for her to leave. Then she says wait and calls someone. 10 minutes later the manager comes with two of the ugliest looking WG I've ever seen and suggest that I take one or both of them! I again pointed to the door and told them to leave. The Ugly ones leave and mommy tells me that since the foreigners are too big, if she sleeps with me that night, she will not be able to work for 3 days and therefore I have to pay 3 times. I walked to the door, opened it, and very firmly said: OUT! NOW!

Then a week later, like a stupid ass, I let coworkers take me to another KTV. This time in Nanjing and the girl was again nice and friendly but at the end of the night, the manager whispered to me that she was not available for take out but she would have a line up of available girls for me! I had again the vision of the two ugly ones at Xian and said no thanks. I left the KTV very disappointed and frustrated.

These two rejection really depressed me for a long time till two lovely girls in CP cured me. They both spoke English and both said yes they were available for take out. I took one ST and in room she was all business and mechanical. I went down when done with her and took the other one LT. She was really nice and sweet all night. She even allowed DFK, actually she initiated it.

So the moral of the story is that to the Chinese eyes, we are the white devil and some are friendlier to devil than others!

Be safe,

W

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SE Asia Joe

11-20-07, 07:34

I was in Xian not long ago and we went to the KTV at the hotel where we were staying and I was the only foreigner in the group of 5. Picking a girl was no problem and she was very nice and friendly all night long. At the end of the night I said that I was interested in taking her up...........
Then a week later, like a stupid ass, I let coworkers take me to another KTV. This time in Nanjing and the girl was again nice and friendly but at the end of the night, ....
These two rejection really depressed me for a long time .So the moral of the story is that to the Chinese eyes, we are the white devil and some are friendlier to devil than others!

Be safe,

W

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RULE #1 when FIRST coming into a K-OK -
Tell the Momma/Captain/Eunuch/DJ and whoever else that you only want gals who will do take out. (Wood fish, not gold fish) and get the prices firmly established. Don't wait till the end to start negotiating etc.
And if you do not take the gal out at the end of the evening - no big deal.
It's got nothing to do with being Laowai or local or anything else.
SE Asia Joe

Furias

11-20-07, 10:41

I'm just back from two weeks of meetings in America (and my jetlag is killing me), so today I visited the "Good Friends" (Hao Pong You) Sauna in Nanshan. This one is located on the west side of HoHai Blvd, on the way to Shekou. Another way to describe it is the eastern most North/South road which runs parallel to Nanhai Blvd (where the Nanshan Walmart is located).

I asked for the VIP massage, 2 hours for 160RMB. The VIP rooms are on the 3rd floor and very private with showers. Girl was a solid 8, which I didn't expect for a real massage. Well it was a great massage for the first hour, with plenty of good lower groin work done in a very sexy and suggestive way. I figured this was a nice lead in to a HJ, but then the girl offered FS. Asked for 450 and agreed to 250 after I explained that I was a local. Covered BJ and multiple positions made my jetlag disappear very quickly. I'll try to find out if Hot/Cold is also on the menu for next time. If you're in Nanshan check this place out.

AsnDragon

11-20-07, 11:31

Lotus Hotel, next to Sunshine Hotel in Lohu District (diagonally across the street from Seibu), has a sauna on the 3rd floor, called Lotus Suana. It was only opened about 7-8 months ago. Apparently, the same owner has 3 other locations as well.

The facility is basic, but since it's newly renovated it feels a bit cleaner than other places. You come in, take a shower and get dressed in the robe and sit in one of those couches with a swivel TV. They ask you what you want to drink, and a supervisor comes along, asking you whether you want a foot massage or the full body massage. (The foot massage is included within the price of 328) But you have to specify that you want the LOTUS STYLE MASSAGE. That means you'll definitely get the HJ.

It's a bit more expensive than other places that do HJ for only 168 RMB or so. However, Lotus girls are pretty good looking in general. They sometimes walk back and forth and you get to see them in their tight uniforms. They are all younger than 24, and all are either cute or pretty. 8 or better in my opinion.

Their technique for the HJ is just amazing. But be sure to tell the supervisor that you want someone with more experience and ask for recommendations. In addition, the massage is pretty decent. While every girl has a bit of their own technique, i think it's worth a try. Most girls allow you to touch their breasts, but not below. It's better to ask the girl beforehand, because showing simple respect gives you a bit better service. Most of them will want you to take off their bras before you start playing with the breasts.

Number 6 and 9 are pretty cute looking girls.

If you get a VIP card, you can ge discounts every time you come in for a massage. I believe that it's 80RMB off if you have the VIP card. Only purchase it if you feel this is some place you'll be coming in often, because the card itself is 100RMB i believe. I'm not completely sure about the price since my friend had a VIP card and i used his.

Happy Hunting.

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AsnDragon

11-20-07, 11:36

Moody

11-20-07, 15:54

SE Joe is 100% correct. Most KTVs in northern cities have two types of girls, girls who only sit, and girls who go out. The same applies in the south, but not as much. You really have to make your intentions known before the girls sit in. I remember one time a couple of years ago in Wenzhou, I made the same mistake. Actually, it wasn't my mistake, my friend and I joined a group of his friends and we didn't really make our intentions known. At the end of the evening, my friend even offered the girl 5K, but she still wouldn't go back with me. Some girls are just like that, nothing you can do really.

Xrelief

11-21-07, 03:12

Dear Fellow Mongers,

I've walked by Seibu BBS several times. But for some reason, I always resist trying them. I travel to Dongguan CP often and I'm more use to picking the girl from the BBS and taking them back to my hotel. But I was told my my friend that you had to do the deed right up in their apartment, which I was told to be quite shabby.

I wanted to ask you guys with experience with Seibu BBS, if the rooms up in the BBS are actually safe and or clean.

Each time I walk through, I see many good looking girls. I dunno if it's the extra thick layer of makeup or the fact that there's so many neon lights and girls in every corner that turns me on, But wanted to get a consensus on how the rooms are like.Hi AsnDragon,

My 2 cents POV, Seibu apartment rooms are not as clean and bright as hotel rooms but its liveable. Mostly dimly lit rooms but ok for many of us. Slightly better than some catacomb rooms in CP IMHO.

Normally located on the 3rd or 4th level. Safety is not not an issue. Most stairways have automatic sensor lights whenever someone walks through the stairs and there is no one to harass you on the way up or down. Stairs are always empty. BTW, the gal will lead you.

If you are particular about the deed place, better stick with bringing the gal to your hotel. Make sure its near Seibu or else some gals may not want to go. I took several gals from there to my hotel two streets away. No problem. If lazy to walk, just take a cab but cost will increase more. (Flag down fare RMB 12. 5) and sometimes the cab fare for gal's trip back to her BBS (RMB15-20).

You have to "look" carefully at the gals in the BBS, since as you mentioned, the purple lights do have a "nice" effect on their faces. Haha. Do not follow the mammy's first recommendation for which gal to take. Take your time to choose and usually the shy plain ones are the best performers since the prettier ones are more fussy. I think. A dilemma. Right?

Goodluck.

Xrelief

Santa

11-21-07, 04:40

We recently asked a mommy why is it that many girls do not want to do foreigners.

Her answer was "foreigners have STDs".

Bnlee2

11-21-07, 04:55

We recently asked a mommy why is it that many girls do not want to do foreigners.

Her answer was "foreigners have STDs".

Santa..

It is all your fault to have the STD "Santa Tyranasaurus Dicky" syndrome. please take your anti STD drugs and stop scaring these poor gals..and mommys.

AsnDragon

11-21-07, 07:13

Thanks for the info. I'll definitely try it out the next time I'm at Shenzhen. It's this phobia of trying out the BBS at Seibu that I always end up going to those massage parlor/ Saunas for a HJ instead because they seemed cleaner.

As for not picking the first one given to you. I totally agree. You don't know how many times I've had bad experiences with those first advertised girls. Quite ones do give better service. But I find quiet ones to be less experienced. I'll definitely have to try it out.

I picked up a street walker in Shenzhen a few months back, near Sunshine hotel, where all the girls seem to be hanging out chewing on their shishkabob sticks of meat. Tall, Sichuan 23 years old. She was a retail sales associate selling clothes. She was about 5 feet 7, and had a really seductive look. In my book, she looked like a Vietnamese model with light skin. She was a pure working girl, who just needed some side cash to supplement her living. Not a pro at all.

Face: 9
Body: 7.5 (as she had little breasts, but had a nice ass)
Service: 6
Total Damage: 250RMB

She was quiet and shy. Didn't want to BJ, just wanted to do the deed. Wanted all the lights off too. After that experience, i was sorta turned off by the whole Shenzhen scene and stuck with CP instead.

Perhaps I should give Shenzhen one more shot, to change me mind about previously bad experiences.

Hi AsnDragon,

My 2 cents POV, Seibu apartment rooms are not as clean and bright as hotel rooms but its liveable. Mostly dimly lit rooms but ok for many of us. Slightly better than some catacomb rooms in CP IMHO.

Normally located on the 3rd or 4th level. Safety is not not an issue. Most stairways have automatic sensor lights whenever someone walks through the stairs and there is no one to harass you on the way up or down. Stairs are always empty. BTW, the gal will lead you.

If you are particular about the deed place, better stick with bringing the gal to your hotel. Make sure its near Seibu or else some gals may not want to go. I took several gals from there to my hotel two streets away. No problem. If lazy to walk, just take a cab but cost will increase more. (Flag down fare RMB 12. 5) and sometimes the cab fare for gal's trip back to her BBS (RMB15-20).

You have to "look" carefully at the gals in the BBS, since as you mentioned, the purple lights do have a "nice" effect on their faces. Haha. Do not follow the mammy's first recommendation for which gal to take. Take your time to choose and usually the shy plain ones are the best performers since the prettier ones are more fussy. I think. A dilemma. Right?

Goodluck.

Xrelief

Acejack

11-21-07, 13:45

Asndragon knows his shit.

Just to the left of the Sunshine Hotel as you look at it is a good value spa for sure.

A 2 pop massage of rare skill with all the relaxing before and after bits you expect in a spa.

Total cost is 268rmb

Maybe not the same price as Seibu meat market mongerers can get but definately solid value!!

Lotus Health Spa is well worth the visit.

Good mongering,

Acejack

Trial Kumar

11-21-07, 17:35

Hi,

Landed Shenzhen yesterday and this is my first trip to this city. I went through this forum to understand more about this city. got to know about Seibus. I am staying in Landmark and checked that this area is very close to Land mark hotel. As I stepped out of the hotel I found a lot of folks asking me about my requirement, though I was reluctant one guy was able to convience me as he was speaking an ok English.

He asked my taste and in less than 5 mins he got a girl and I will rate her 7+ as it was exactly that I had told him.I also checked in the hotel whether they will allow a girl to come along with me for which they did not had any objection.

The overall action was good starting with bath in the tub followed by Bj and finally shooted out.

Overall damage 200 rmb though he started with 500 but later agreed on 200.
Attaching the photo..

ManonsanBoy

11-22-07, 00:18

Hi mongers

The new check point across to SZ from Hong Kong. Doers anyone have any info about mongering possibilities near this point? Any hotels near BBS?

Fast Eddie 48

11-22-07, 00:36

Hi mongers

The new check point across to SZ from Hong Kong. Doers anyone have any info about mongering possibilities near this point? Any hotels near BBS?Manonsan boy,

I though you are a shenzhen expert the new crossing is mainly for hong konger that are going to Futain area , I think the kcrr station is too far to the custom border you need to take a shuttle ,yes there are many bbs area and hotel in Futain and this border are faster than Lo wu border less traffic.

Fast eddie 48

Wadman

11-22-07, 07:04

ManonsanBoy,

ShaZui is close to LokMaChow/Huanggang border crossing. About a 15 rmb cab ride. ShaZui is popular with HK guys, so lots of Cantonese spoken there. But ShaZui does not display its wares openly anymore. Mamasan will take you inside and do line ups for you. Personally I don't like this format because it can lead to high pressure situations. They have cheap "saunas" too for around 300 rmb.

Or the ShuiWei area, even closer to Huanggang. Lots of massage places with extras. Venice club is there too. No BBSs as far as I know, and I have been trying hard to find them! Surely there MUST be BBSs in that area?

Hi mongers

The new check point across to SZ from Hong Kong. Doers anyone have any info about mongering possibilities near this point? Any hotels near BBS?

Moody

11-22-07, 07:16

Or the ShuiWei area, even closer to Huanggang. Lots of massage places with extras. Venice club is there too. No BBSs as far as I know, and I have been trying hard to find them! Surely there MUST be BBSs in that area?

A couple of months back I went to Club Shuidu, about a block from the Venice Club, with a friend of mine for a couple of drinks. A couple things about that place, tons of girls, we showed up at 2AM after the bars in Coco Park kicked us out, and the mommies there had no problems procuring girls. It's adjacent to a small hotel. Forgot to ask how much the hotel is, but can't be too expensive, couple hundred RMB tops. Here's the best part, it's open til 6AM. You can drink your ass off til the sun comes up. :D

I was bored one night and went out to get a foot massage at that Hawaii Sauna place. Long story short, wasn't sleepy so went upstairs to get a massage. Fucking A, girls are cute as hell up there. Let me recommend getting the Japanese oil massage there. Sadly though, the really cute girls only do HJ. If you want FS, you have to go up anther floor and I didn't find the girls up there very attractive.

As for BBSes..... I've roamed pretty much every nook and cranny in that neighborhood up to the Pizza Hut way down near the Hoba.... nothing.

OldAsiaHand

11-23-07, 04:54

Many of the KTVs in Guangzhou can be the same. There have sitting only girls that do not go out.

SE Joe is 100% correct. Most KTVs in northern cities have two types of girls, girls who only sit, and girls who go out. The same applies in the south, but not as much. You really have to make your intentions known before the girls sit in. I remember one time a couple of years ago in Wenzhou, I made the same mistake. Actually, it wasn't my mistake, my friend and I joined a group of his friends and we didn't really make our intentions known. At the end of the evening, my friend even offered the girl 5K, but she still wouldn't go back with me. Some girls are just like that, nothing you can do really.

AsnDragon

11-23-07, 11:14

Acejack,

Glad you liked Lotus. I'm on this mission to scout out all of the Lotus type places and see which place as the best eye candy. I'll be posting up some more reports once i figure out which ones are the best.

Will be in China next month, perhaps if you wanted to go hunting together it would be great.

There's a place across the street behind peng nian hotel. It's underground and it's only $169 about for the same service. The place is not as new as Lotus a bit on the run down side. But they offer this special that if you add 100 RMB on top of 168 rmb, you get to have two girls give you a massage at the same time. That is totally something new to try out if you haven't yet.

Good luck.

AsnDragon

Asndragon knows his shit.

Just to the left of the Sunshine Hotel as you look at it is a good value spa for sure.

A 2 pop massage of rare skill with all the relaxing before and after bits you expect in a spa.

Total cost is 268rmb

Maybe not the same price as Seibu meat market mongerers can get but definately solid value!!

Lotus Health Spa is well worth the visit.

Good mongering,

Acejack

Sicer

11-23-07, 16:17

Gentlemen

Another field report; a bit long in the making, but considering the recent chatter, it seems very relevant. Over the last few months I have made several trips from HK to SZ and I would like to share the info.

First, I have recently begun to take the KCR to Lok Ma Chau more often. The KCR from Hung Hom is about 35 HKD. The new KCR station is clean, efficient, and uncrowded. Clearing HK immigration is fast, then a simple stroll across the river on the enclosed walkway brings you to the Chinese customs. It is huge, with many open counters waiting to welcome you. Exit immigration, then down the escalators to the street. Outside there are few touts, as the area is still new. A far superior experience to the old crossing IMHO. Then walk out to the street under the overpass heading south-ish, hail a taxi, and find myself in heaven (Sha Tsui) in less than 10 minutes.

It’s true, the area is much more subdued lately, but it’s still very fine to me. Attached is a couple of pictures of some real cuties I have met there. All 150 RMB, pay after. That’s my steadfast rule, and attached is a jpg I have loaded into my phone to reinforce that fact with the mamas, as I don’t speak a word of Chinese. I regularly laugh and walk away from high prices to reinforce that I am the customer, and the customer chooses how to spend his money, hopefully wisely. Don’t forget there are thousands of providers around just waiting to happily accept what you are willing to offer; that’s the nature of the business.

A few months ago, I was out on the town with JBone2, and we stayed in the Seibu area. The Xiang Xi Cun, or ‘Seibu area’ still rocks hard; attached is a couple of cutie pics, all 150RMB, pay after, no exceptions. Nor do I pay the mama anything before either. They squawk, I walk! Attached is the card for the well named ‘Cocky Star Suite Inn’ right across from the gates of the pedestrian walkway. The entrance is actually around back, in from the street in front of the Queen spa (more on that later). The rooms are actually real modern apartments, with either one or two bedrooms, full living area, kitchen area, and big bathroom; a real apartment. They rent for 198RMB single bedroom, and 298RMB two bedrooms. Our double had a nice balcony too which overlooked the street and the girls. Just awesome fun. We had several girls back, and due to its close proximity, no one asked for any extra fees to come back to the room. It was less than 2 minutes walk anyways! All the girls knew the location from the picture on the card, as the building looms overhead. There was a sofa, TV, towels, 2pm check out, and big beds. The booking office is on the ground floor close to the elevator entrance. Take your buddies and have a party! Highly recommended.

So too is the Queen Spa. Much has been written about the place, so I have little to add. However, please be careful with the in-out privileges. Before going in, we checked VERY clearly as to the rules, and we told ‘no problem’ to go in and out over the course of our stay, no extra charges. However, when we tried to do it several times for extended periods, suddenly a big fuss was made. Over the course of 24 hours, we had 2 long sessions in the spa, and even slept in our own hotel (the cocky star as above) and shagged a gaggle of china dolls, before finishing with another spa session in the morning. They definitely felt we were abusing the in-out privilege, but hey I did ask CLEARLY! The total charge for my 24 hours was 98rmb. Excellent value, but YMMV.

I have attached a few pics to load into your mobile to show the taxi driver where you want to go, or the mama what you want. Use as you like, although the resizing has made some of the maps hard to read, sorry.

So in conclusion, there is still lots of great fun to be had in SZ, but do not overpay! Good value is important to us all.

Sicer

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Warrior One

11-23-07, 18:28

Sicer,

Nice report. Looks like I need to venture in SZ soon.

Where did u find picture#178 and 48? Is there a contact # for these 2 gems?

Is Queen's Spa a massage place and they have line up? Where is the best spot for an afternoon delights 4-5 hours?

Thanks,

WO

[QUOTE=Sicer]So too is the Queen Spa. Much has been written about the place, so I have little to add. However, please be careful with the in-out privileges. Before going in, we checked VERY clearly as to the rules, and we told ‘no problem’ to go in and out over the course of our stay, no extra charges.I have attached a few pics to load into your mobile to show the taxi driver where you want to go, or the mama what you want. Use as you like, although the resizing has made some of the maps hard to read, sorry.

So in conclusion, there is still lots of great fun to be had in SZ, but do not overpay! Good value is important to us all.

Bob Sacamano

11-24-07, 02:34

Sicer,

I agree with Warrior One: nice report and thanks for posting the pics. Those girls are beauties. And as Warrior One asked, where did you find the girl in #178? Those tits are amazing! I’m planning on going to SZ in Jan. and will have to check these places out.

Sicer

11-24-07, 02:50

Just to add to my previous report, here are a couple more pics that didn’t fit on the first attachment. Additionally, pic 132 is of a girl I found in behind Seibu at 1pm, so there is talent in the area starting early. And as reported elsewhere, Queen Spa has no happy endings, just a great value spa. No contact info for girls, I never ask for it, just roam the alleys! There are hundreds just waiting for you. Sicer

AsnDragon

11-24-07, 07:57

Tile Man4

11-24-07, 10:49

Santa,

One of my Sauna girls said to me " hey when you are in the states, have you ever done a white girl before? "

I said " why? "

She said " you better use protection when you do white girls, they all have STDs. So if you don't wear condoms doing white girls, then I'm not going to blow you next time. "

I smiled and laughed. And asked " why would you think this way about white girls"

Her response " I see it on TV, white girls are a bunch of sluts"

I was dumbfounded by her response. But she was hot so I didn't care.

You hear lots of strange things in China.

That is the big red propaganda machine at work , Beijing wants to blame its sexual revolution on the west , espessially the USA. Most Chinese women think we (western men) are fucking machines" and our women too. I have heard the same shit too. I just shut them up and tell them that they watch to much of that free market TV.

I could walk the street where I live for 10 days with $100 bills hanging out of each pocket and never get laid. And I could walk the streets where you are now asndragon and get laid every 10 minutes. This is why we mongers all prefer to walk the streets in China , rather than the West. But , don't let them put you down and take it up your ass. Give it back to them. A spade is a spade.

Be safe and take care

tile man

Digi Man65

11-24-07, 17:12

Cowa Banga

11-24-07, 22:45

Sicer,

Great stuff my man. Clearly, this is the BEST board on the net. If I read another report on Pattaya, I'm going to puke.

ManonsanBoy

11-24-07, 23:43

Furias

11-25-07, 00:47

You guys know any bars where you can pick up girls (P4P ok)?

BBS and KTV is not my preferred venue. Spend many days in Shenzhen (Futian) - travel there monthly and are usually bored :)

Great input on the whole BBS scene - thank you but am looking for a couple of bars where you can hang and have a few drinks, watch pretty girls and possibly get some take out!

Any input you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Anybody know where one can find some Fillipinas?Plenty of Fillipinas in Shekou that work the restaurants and as domestic help to the western expat crowd. If you visit the Terrace Bar at Sea World (Hai An Shi Jie) you will see plenty of young filipinos, and many will be wg but don't expect it to be like Fenwicks in HK. There is also the strong possibility of freebies if you're not a middle aged, overweight, balding white guy.

Old Mean Dog

11-25-07, 04:30

You guys know any bars where you can pick up girls (P4P ok)?

BBS and KTV is not my preferred venue. Spend many days in Shenzhen (Futian) - travel there monthly and are usually bored :)

Great input on the whole BBS scene - thank you but am looking for a couple of bars where you can hang and have a few drinks, watch pretty girls and possibly get some take out!

Any input you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Most all the nice bars in SZ have many girls in them. P4P girls can be found in many of the smaller bars. Try the Crazy Bar in Luohu.

Anybody know where one can find some Fillipinas?

How about the Phillippines? Otherwise, go to Wan Chi in Hong Kong or RTFF in the SZ thread as it has been reported about just last month.

-CPE

MegaPoint

11-26-07, 01:54

Plenty of Fillipinas in Shekou that work the restaurants and as domestic help to the western expat crowd. If you visit the Terrace Bar at Sea World (Hai An Shi Jie) you will see plenty of young filipinos, and many will be wg but don't expect it to be like Fenwicks in HK. There is also the strong possibility of freebies if you're not a middle aged, overweight, balding white guy.

Interesting...I spend quite a lot of my time in Shekou in the Terrace Bar with my lovely 20 y.o. gf who is absolutely the most attractive woman I have ever been with, and her two tarty-looking roomates, and I am middle-aged, a bit overweight, balding, and white...and I have rarely seen Filipinas in that place, but maybe I am just distracted by all the pale young flesh at my table, and don't pay attention. And when I'm not with her, I'm with my lovely 21 y.o. xiao jie, who works in a nearby foot massage joint. Hehe.

The moral is, Yes, bros, there IS a Santa Claus, and he delivers freebies in China even to guys like me. Just sit on the public benches at Sea World reading an English-language magazine or newspaper, and they will approach you.

Also, it's useful to know the Cantonese for Sea World, Hoi Seung Sai Gaai.

Santa

11-26-07, 04:49

There is also the strong possibility of freebies if you're not a middle aged, overweight, balding white guy.

In the USA this would be true but I think in most of asia these guys score the most. That's because most of these asian girls are looking for financial security or some quick bucks. Young and handsome is not their priority.

Tile Man4

11-26-07, 05:36

In the USA this would be true but I think in most of asia these guys score the most. That's because most of these asian girls are looking for financial security or some quick bucks. Young and handsome is not their priority.

I belong to a local dating wesite here in USA. I did my search for only Asian women. There are about 250 Chinese women within my home. About 70% are Chinese. 90% are between 35 to 45. Almost every Chinese woman is looking for a man from 5 years younger to no more than 5 years older.

This is unheard of in China , it seems to be always older. The moral to this story is........ It does not take these women long to merge into the American ways. Yes they still look for the security as all women do , but the facts show me that they do not want the middle age , bald , fat or any color man unless he is what I said above.

I am not bald and fat , I am 50 + , but its not as easy to score here as it is in China. I have a date in Boston China town next week and one in New York China town the week after. I am sure that I will come home with my dick in my hand. I need to get back to China.

We have talked about this before , I will never bring a young Chinese women back to the USA. They learn fast and will just take most of us for all we have.
See you in China soon.

take care and be safe.

tile man

Santa

11-26-07, 07:55

Furias and Tile Man. I'm going to move this over to the Chinese Women thread.

Shag Addict

11-26-07, 10:42

Hey all like-minded individuals

This is my first post here so please be kind if I’m asking yet another "newbie" type question. Although I’m a newbie, I’m not a newbie shagger – nobody on this forum is!

Before I ask for your kind help, I’ll just tell you something about my background. I’ve lived in Hong Kong for about 10 years now and usually monger there. At first, it was the brothels in and around Mong Kok, then it progressed to the saunas in that area and recently, I discovered the "Sex 141" website which is a HK girl directory. The latter is known as "walk-ups" and from the descriptions I’ve read here, it is probably quite similar to those pink apartments in Shenzhen.

My shagging experiences in Shenzhen have been limited to the sauna girls in Bading Street and around Guamao station. I had heard of BBS before and thought I could find some around Bading Street but couldn’t find any. That’s why I ended up in the saunas there. Usually, these saunas parade as normal massage places and indeed have the regular massage services but if you enquire about the ‘special services’, they’ll have it! The first time I took them up on the specials, they took me to another part of the building (different floor) which is locked away from the regular massage areas. I assume this is in case of police raids. These are fun (as I can choose the girls but the quality is probably 6-7) and relatively cheap (RMB400 for massage and FS) when compared to HK saunas but some can be quite sleazy and downright dirty.

After finding this forum (from the 141 website), I’ve noticed I’ve been missing out BIG time. The Seibu BBS is now number 1 on my hit list for my next trip to Shenzhen next month! So many bros with good experiences there and with all the images and maps, I’m sure I’ll be able to find my way there! :.)

I’m slowly getting to my query now! I remember being taken to a sauna a couple of years ago by some Chinese businessmen. This sauna is probably about an hour away from Shenzhen. Could be Chang Ping but I’m really not sure. I was just tagging along for the ride! They took me to this place where the women (in Miss HK style dresses) line up and you choose the one you want. The women were pretty hot from my hazy memory. After that, you’re taken to a room (4 or 5* hotel quality) with a huge double bed, huge shower and very clean. Things start in the shower where the girl gives you a very thorough clean, both conventional and non-conventional! :.) Then it proceeded to the bed where you get a very gentle massage followed by FS. I’ve been told that this whole process is known as 18 styles (? ) which includes things like ice BJ, fire BJ, etc! Up to that point, I had NEVER experienced anything like that in my life and I couldn’t believe the things she was doing with her stiff, flexible tongue and to top it all off, the price was only RMB400! To me, that's a bargain, especially with the quality of service provided in comparison to the saunas in Bading. Has anyone been to a sauna like this, ie. Provides this kind of service? The ones in Bading Street are NOT like this which is just a quick massage and shag! I picked up a business card as I left the next morning (as it’s free to stay there if you get there after a certain time, I think midnight) but can’t find it now. I kick myself for losing it! My question is, does anyone know of a similar place like this IN the Shenzhen area?

I would appreciate any bros who can help me out. I’ve been reading this forum for about a week and have read the first 30-odd pages of this thread (very informative and LOOONG) but it’s mostly about BBS (which is great and I’m looking forward to trying out Seibu BBS) and KTV (which I’m not into). Saunas have been mentioned numerous times but from what I’ve read so far, nothing about the kind of service one can expect.

Before this website, I had to rely on Shenzhen taxi drivers for mongering locations and apart from Bading Street, the following were recommended (see attachments):

1. Ha Sa

2. Sha Wei

3. Sa Wan

Forgive my poor English interpretations of these Chinese places as I can only speak Cantonese but can’t read or write! Has anyone been to the first 2? I went to the latter (Sha Wei) and there were a couple of big massage places but no FS. I went to a smaller one and it did have FS. Apparently, the bigger the massage place, the less likely it is to offer FS. Maybe I stand corrected on this one but that’s what one of the taxi drivers said.

I’ve also read about some leeches on here and I hope you don’t consider me one. I believe a forum is for sharing and helping each other out and once I get some more girls (ahem, experience) under my belt, I’ll certainly contribute! :.) In fact, if you’re interested in the sauna I frequent in Mong Kok, I’ve written a report on that on the sex 141 website under the same call sign (except no space, ie. Shagaddict)!

Thanking you all in advance.

SA

PS. Sorry about the long first post.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.