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Ks457

01-10-08, 11:25

Hello,

Will stay in March for 10 days in Shenzhen. Doing litte business in HK and Shenzhen, but doing more holiday for myself.

So what I all want to do is:

1. Each day a long total massage for my poor body. For health and for getting hot for the night.

2. Each night a girl for LT. But not only for the night. Want to spend with her also some time for shopping and going to dinner and sightseeing. I want to learn something about chinese culture.

3. Not too far to go to hk ( so near LoWu or near Shekou for the ferry)

Which area is okay for the hotel. Near LoWu or near Shekou?

I have been to hk and to shenzhen last year, so I have a little idea about these places. Also I speak very little mandarine (want to learn more due daily exercise in shenzhen).

Thanks!

I am staying in HK until the end of eternity. Working like a dog, and never getting any holiday.

So what I all want to do is:

1. Make quadrillion dollars so I never have to work again.

2. Have a different playboy bunny/porn star (or two or three) stand by my bed each night waiting for me to call on them. I don't want them sleeping on the bed as I like having space when I sleep and don't care diddly about cuddling. I don't want to take them shopping or going to dinner or sightseeing. I don't want to learn anything about their culture, fine with me if they're from Venus as long as they're hot.

3. This would all happen in my new mansion that'd make Bill Gates' house look like an outhouse.

Can you help?

Niks647

01-10-08, 12:15

Thats one of the wittiest posts here.

I am in Sunshine today. theres very little street action outside. Will go to Seibu BBS and report later.

I am staying in HK until the end of eternity. Working like a dog, and never getting any holiday.

So what I all want to do is:

1. Make quadrillion dollars so I never have to work again.

2. Have a different playboy bunny/porn star (or two or three) stand by my bed each night waiting for me to call on them. I don't want them sleeping on the bed as I like having space when I sleep and don't care diddly about cuddling. I don't want to take them shopping or going to dinner or sightseeing. I don't want to learn anything about their culture, fine with me if they're from Venus as long as they're hot.

3. This would all happen in my new mansion that'd make Bill Gates' house look like an outhouse.

Can you help?

Bill Lee

01-10-08, 14:04

Blah, blah, blah. Do you guys ever post anything of value?

-CPE

Four gay guys, walking into the same shop, at different time. Who will the girls wanna be with? Santa, Joe, CPExpat or Bob?

Bill

Old Mean Dog

01-10-08, 16:34

Four gay guys, walking into the same shop, at different time. Who will the girls wanna be with? Santa, Joe, CPExpat or Bob?

Bill

By "gay" I assume you mean happy, as it's forbidden to talk about your homosexual fantasies on ISG.

-CPE

BTW: Can you post something worthwhile or do we need to unleash the hounds on you?

Manatsu

01-10-08, 19:47

Arrived Shenzhen from GZ around 8:20PM via train. Came out of station and was hurried into vendor's car and rushed to dinner. 4 bottles of beers later i was dropped off at Grand Skylight Garden Hotel, 4 stars very new hotel. Very nice interior and room. (The bath room gets slippery if you are wearing the slippers so, take them off if the floor gets wet)

Anyways, looked around and it seems that there is no extra services offered at the hotel. Walked outside around 10:30 and was slipped a business card out of no where, tout claimed to have large lineup of girls just behind the hotel. But i was on a mission to visit the famous Seibu (and buy a razor to shave).

So hop on the Taxi yelled out Seibu and 27RMB later i was at it. Immediately once entering the side street i found that a few touts right at the entrance. But because i was wearing plain cloth none of the touts were talking to me, they were all going after the Business man and foreigners. So anyways, I walk around, saw some snakes in Cages and street after street of real haircut places, picked up my razor and decided to hunt. Saw alot of 8s and 9s walking around but didn't know if they were working or going to the clubs.

Finaly as i was standing and watching the action go by, this tout comes up and asks me if i needed 1 shot or all night. I said all night and bring a good looking girl. Was offered 600 but haggled down to 450(sorry, the girl showed up and i started to slur) girl was jing jing from northen Shanghai 18yr slender with a nice rack. Paid the tout and ran back to the hotel.

Came back, showered and had a very nice bbbj. went 2.5 rounds and got dead tired and called it a night. DATY was very very nice as she was very into it, but pretended not to be but her body took over.

Interesting note as I was chatting with the Tout before the girl came, he stated that someone got killed at the street behind seibu earlier that day, that made the girls all stay out and on the internet cafes. There must be tons of cuties at the internet cafes surrounding seibu.

Damage: 450RMB

Moody

01-11-08, 00:48

Fighting Lesson #1

Don't even think about fighting in a stairwell unless you're on top. If you're not on top, run and hope he doesn't catch up. Anybody who's taken any martial arts or been in a couple of fights would know this.

Bnlee2

01-11-08, 05:50

Guys

will be in town for a few days. PM me is anyone wants to go out for some mongering fun.

Dodgy Fellow

01-13-08, 07:49

last sunday the le and army goons took to destroying all the bbs behind seibu. they loaded up all the furniture from the shops smashed windows and wrecked every shop. by tuesday its still scarce with 10-15 girls standing on corners compared to the 400 on sunday arvo before the crackdown.

they all now hang out on the corner opposite the seibu store and have around 50 touts hassling you when you pass by. tuesday night i was there at 2am and two le on bikes ran right into the crowd of girls and you should have seen them rep001ter and run like crazy, the le did nothing but just scared the crap out of the girls for fun...

don't know why its nuts now in that area but someone said some new mayor who has a bug in his ass wants it all cleaned up. cripes.

thanks for the update.

it may also be the usual crackdown before chinese new year.

Cowa Banga

01-13-08, 21:55

OWL,

Have you ever mongered in Vietnam?

Just curious.

Horny Nomad

01-15-08, 04:55

OWL,

I sent you a PM.

Cowa Banga

01-15-08, 06:06

OWL,

What are thoughts on South Korea regarding trim?

Gentlewvi

01-15-08, 21:01

Got a lot of vague instructions on getting a bus to Shenzhen from HK a/p, we got in early enough that I thought I could make it that night. Did the chicken with the head cut off routine until I managed to miss the last bus out. After 4 people telling me, no more buses to Shenzhen tonight I found someone who told me about a minibus service that runs late. That was a huge relief so I got to Shenzhen via mini bus service from HK a/p for 150 rmb. This was the only service that late at night, all the other buses had finished for the day. You buy the ticket just before leaving the security area where the luggage is picked up and after the customs checkpoint. Bus drop off point is Huang Gang. A nice bonus is this is probably the fastest way to get to Shenzhen from HK a/p as the driver goes like a maniac. Takes about 40 to 45 minutes. A very persistent taxi driver latched onto me at the drop off point and wouldn't leave me alone. He seemed harmless but I didn't trust him, felt sure I would be ripped off. What I had learned in Thailand was that a taxi that is sitting needs to rip off his passenger to make a living. A moving taxi is always cheaper if you can flag him down as he is productive and doesn't need to prey on tourists. He called an english speaking lady on his mobile and she talked to me but I wasn't convinced he knew where I wanted to go. Heard a lot of horror stories about getting into a cab and having them take you on a forever tour looking for the place you want. Tried to buy a sim card for my mobile phone, guy in a little shop at the station said 400 rmb (with a straight face no less). I thought that can't be right, if its that expensive how do all the Chinese people afford mobiles. Seeing my lack of interest at 400 he offered another one for 250 rmb. Usually when I feel someone has tried to rip me off I don't do any business there so I turned that down as well. (Ended up buying one the next day for 75 rmb with 40 rmb of time on it.) A lady and a man stopped their car to see what I needed, I explained sleep (with sign language as they didn't speak any english), they said 40 rmb, so I jumped in not having a clue what the 40 rmb was going to get me. They dropped me at a small hotel called Han She near the intersection of Jintian Rd and Fuqiang Rd. Deluxe single was 150 plus 50 service charge. Nice room but no bathtub and no internet. Downgraded the next day to regular single for 110 with no service charge, might be because service charge is only paid once for every week you stay. This room was very small and cramped but still had a/c tv and bathroom but was not a western toilet like the deluxe room had. Found the small room adequate if only I had internet. The room would definitely not impress the girls. Very clean however, just a bit too basic for most people I would imagine. Went for a massage down the street, 55 rmb for 2 hours, seemed like a very good value. One girl sells me the service, another girl leads me to the upstairs rooms and leaves and another girl comes to take over and give me the massage. Very strong and deep massage for 2 hours with the kind of ending we can only dream about back home. I did not give any tip, paid at the desk on the way out, but felt a bit guilty about it. Had two strange experiences with tipping later that night. Went for dinner and when I paid the bill I gave exact change and then gave the waitress 2 extra rmb as a tip. She took the money then looked at the two rmb and insisted I take it back. As I walked home I bought some fruit, price was 9. 70 rmb, so I gave the girl 10 and walked away. She caught up to me and insisted on giving me. 5 rmb change. In both cases they seemed very friendly and very happy to have the business from a foreigner but don't yet understand tipping. I was impressed. This isn't in backwoods China, this is 2 minutes drive from the Hong Kong border crossing. So far the most beautiful Chinese girl I have seen was waiting in the airline checkin lineup right in front of me in Vancouver and travelling to Hong Kong. Her body was to die for.

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SE Asia Joe

01-16-08, 05:52

Yuehao Leisure Club, Wei Ye Na Hotel,
Situated behind the Viennna Hotel at Man Chi road,, Lung Wah Town, Man Yeh Village, Bao An district.
**important** there are 6 Vienna hotels in and around Shenzhen – so go to the right one! This is just right outside the second border around Shenzhen. Your best bet would be for you/your taxi driver to phone first to get the correct hotel- 0755-2180406 or call Lily 135-1033-7161.
RMB200 room + 400 (or 600 and 800) = 120 minutes and 20 flavors plus 1.

What a bazaar! We avid golfers of course require our 19th hole but by the time we got there (after being stuck in the traffic getting thru the 2nd border) at 8 pm it was absolute bedlam. There were punters waiting and loitering all over the place and shouting to their mommies that they’ve been waiting too long/to hurry up – with the harried mommies begging forgiveness that all the rooms are occupied and the better gals are in any case all already taken up/stating that they only want the best girls for “you, their best customer” (hell, I’ve never even been before this time!). But…. According to my friend, this IS indeed the latest and best action in Shenzhen – and thus its popularity. And that it would have been much better earlier – with a selection of approx 200 – 300 gals and various rooms.

As it is, we were glad to have gotten the regular room at RMB200 – which is already quite plushly furnished with a huge King sized bed, a sex purpose built slim recliner, in-room safe and a great bathroom with see-through glass walls. According to my bud, a Crystal room is what we should get next time as it’s twice the size with a Jacuzzi and a stage where the gals do their private strip tease for you.

OK – the 20 flavors – I had #82 (Jeez don’t ask me her name – don’t remember but in any case inconsequential) who was one of the RMB 400 gals versus the 600 and 800 ones (who were only taller – not prettier). She was a bubbly Hunan gal with really nice skin and ….. Pink color! This gal had a credit card looking list of all the flavors – and I made her to count it down and tell me exactly which one she is doing! It was hilarious and ran the gamut of the private strip show, the toe fecking, the mouth sucking slip n slide all over, the notable squeezing and milking of my Li’l one with her strong vaginal muscles, and of course attention to my nether regions (didn’t really enjoy that one with the small corn shaped jelly candy softened in hot water – but the AR was great!).

And oh yeah – never experienced this also – while scrubbing me down in the shower, she not only towel scrubbed my Li’l one roughly, but she then proceeded to produce 1. a bottle of Dettol and 2. a tube of tooth paste. I was sort of mesmerized by what the hell she was doing, mixing up the Dettol with some water when she slapped the mixture on Li’l Joe. Hmm – strange sensation…. And then she uncapped up her tooth paste and leathered up my poor and fast shrinking Member of Parliament in that mixture from hell! Yowich, Ouch, ooooooh!! Damn – good thing my protestations and cries of mercy were timely enough or I know I’d have for sure been mortally wounded right then and there. Can you imagine the scene confronting the CSI – a dead body, mouths and eyes wide open, frozen in terror and a shriveled up little dicky covered in everything known to man to clean up all bacterieum!

OK – that was the bad part – but the good part was that she was all bubbly and fun to be with – but unlike One Whoring Lady killer - NO she did NOT fall all in love with me. She did though reward me with ONE more flavor – ones she tells she reserves ONLY for ‘special’ guys. Don’t ask me what the flavor was – just let it suffice for me to relay to you that she had to take a big dump after our session. Comprende?
SE Asia Joe

OldAsiaHand

01-16-08, 09:29

Interesting tidbit – as soon as you come out of Lo Wu building (passport control) and turn right, you end up in a car park type place and there you’ll see loads of girls hanging round trying to get you to go to various massage places (see attached pics – Massage Touts 1 and 2). Has anyone tried this? I tried several times but making sure I told them I wanted FS sauna / massage places. The girls duly pointed out to me the correct person to speak to and from there, it’s a van ride away to whatever sauna / massage place they’re trying to sell. Not Dongguan or "yi diao long" or ‘18’ style saunas!

There are way too many scams going down in Shenzhen, especially in LuoHu. You will probably be fine most of the time, but I suggest not to follow touts if you can avoid it. The "van ride away" can be a telltale sign of trouble. Many of the scam artists operate out of apartments about 5-10 minutes drive from the train station. And, avoid offers that sound too good to be true.

Just my POV.

OAH

OldAsiaHand

01-16-08, 10:16

Since you're near Siebu, maybe we'll meet one day and sit in the window seat in Jimmy's to watch the action go by.

For those of you that don't know, Jimmy's is a HK style restaurant on the main alley where the Seibu BBS run perpendicular. Great food, reasonable prices.

Highly recommended.

Just my POV.

OAH

Soulman

01-16-08, 23:55

ABCinLA

01-17-08, 08:15

Anyone up for mongering and KTV this weekend? I'm coming to SZ for the weekend. Where's good place to monger in SZ? Thinking about staying at Landmark which became Crown Plaza near the Seibu actions.

Had a good time on last trip in Oct. Checked out the BBS in Seibu, KTV with fellow monger from Denmark and took out couple of take out girls in front of Seibu.

Hey I'll take BBS actions in China over high priced/short time/cramped glass bowl BBS in Korea. There has been crack downs in last few years so many galss bowl joints closed. There are plenty of "sports massage" places thru out Seoul and OAH checked a place out near his hotel.

I got service from ethnic Korean from China near Intercontinental Coex last Oct. They advertised college girls but not quite. Better place is to go to is "lower" level Korean KTVs with older girls (not high priced ones with stunners). Went there with business associates and had a good time with older girl in nearby motel as family joined me on last trip to Korea in Nov. Place is in Bangi-Dong near Jamsil.

Its been well reported the on again off again shut downs at Seibu. I was there Saturday, Sunday and Monday early this week and based on a quick walk around you'll think the entire place was closed down; however, I got approached several times by a few papas and mommas to go into an apt house and there I found anywhere from 3 to 10 willing providers. Now on Sunday I did see about 20 providers just standing around in the alley ways in Seibu about 3pm or so. Its been well discussed the street actions around the other areas (i.e., pink apts, Sha Tsui, apts around Century Plaza, etc.).

Gentlewvi

01-17-08, 23:46

Seibu action is non existent at about 4pm, wandered the entire area, nada. Went for something to eat and a massage and came back around 7 pm and finally spotted a mommy deep in a dark alley who waved to me. She led me upstairs to an apartment with about 6 cute girls waiting to go to work. In retrospect I would say none of the girls seemed all that keen to go with me so that was the first clue to a less than stellar experience. I made my selection and agreed with the mommy on the price, 150, and we go to the very next room to do the deed. Was an experience I would have been willing to pay 150 to avoid, the girl was all business and determined to get this over with as soon as humanly possible. A huge problem was the temperature in the room was very cold so the girl insisted we do everything under a comforter but we were still freezing. Kissing was off limits on her face, neck, breasts, . Couldn't get excited due to the environment and the sp's lack of customer service so she gave me a cbj which didn't help much and moved on to the main course. She had a strong unpleasant odour which is one of my biggest turnoffs. I couldn't complete and got out of there as soon as I could, sorry I had even started. If the girl and you aren't going to have a shower first in a reasonably warm environment you can be pretty sure of a poor experience. I suspect the girls there are avoidng the shower as it is just too damn cold. Would highly reccomend you bring the girl back to your place if you go to the Seibu area. Some of the other apartments may be a little better there but I highly doubt it.

Checked out the Cocky hotel, at 198 per night with no heat and no internet it wasn't very appealing. With internet and warmer weather it would be a great place but the discounts for longer term stay were non-existent. The bedroom is right on the street side that is noisy so could be a real problem for some. Otherwise its a big step up from a hotel room as it comes with a kitchen, washing machine and full entertainment facilities and quite roomy.

I would recommend that everyone considering coming to Shenzhen at this time of year give it a miss. The weather forecasts allways say that the next day will be warm but it never happens. Trying to sleep and shower in hotel rooms without heat and about 12 degrees C in your room gives a new take on roughing it. Most places here don't have any form of heating so whatever it is outside, thats what it is in your room. There is ac in the room however.

Old Mean Dog

01-18-08, 07:23

Checked out the Cocky hotel, at 198 per night with no heat and no internet it wasn't very appealing. The weather forecasts allways say that the next day will be warm but it never happens. Trying to sleep and shower in hotel rooms without heat and about 12 degrees C in your room gives a new take on roughing it. Most places here don't have any form of heating so whatever it is outside, thats what it is in your room. There is ac in the room however.

Hell, even the best apartments in town don't have central heat. This is South China, they don't install heaters as it's hotter than colder here 10 months out of the year. Just go spend 100-200 rmb and buy yourself a heater like all us locals do. I remember even being in Suzhou for 3 months in the winter and no central heating either.

-CPE

SE Asia Joe

01-18-08, 08:14

Hell, even the best apartments in town don't have central heat. This is South China, they don't install heaters as it's hotter than colder here 10 months out of the year. Just go spend 100-200 rmb and buy yourself a heater like all us locals do. I remember even being in Suzhou for 3 months in the winter and no central heating either.

-CPE
Yeah - but its certainly better than in Beijing in the older apartments/office buildings where they get their central heating from the central steam plant of the city - I think for free as it was part of the old socialist way of doing things. Anyway, they only crank up the steam on 1 November - no matter what the weather is prior to that date. Long Johns, wollen caps, overcoats sitting at my desk .... and even when I'm under my quilt trying to keep from being frozen when trying to sleep! And yup - you just gotta buy your own space heater to survive.
SE Asia Joe

Tiger 888

01-18-08, 10:05

...Trying to sleep and shower in hotel rooms without heat and about 12 degrees C in your room gives a new take on roughing it...Hahaha then you haven't been to a village in Henan yet where the in the room temperature is well below zero at times (The proof is the frozen instead of dried laundry) and your 200 RMB heater is only worth the money at those hours when you have electricity.

Peter Eastwest

01-18-08, 14:43

Maybe I am missing something here but why the hell would anyone consider this a "report of distinction" (other than that it is "distinguished" by not having any paragraphs)?

Confused Pete

Got a lot of vague instructions on getting a bus to Shenzhen from HK a/p, we got in early enough that I thought I could make it that night. Did the chicken with the head cut off routine until I managed to miss the last bus out. After 4 people telling me, no more buses to Shenzhen tonight I found someone who told me about a minibus service that runs late. That was a huge relief so I got to Shenzhen via mini bus service from HK a/p for 150 rmb. This was the only service that late at night, all the other buses had finished for the day. You buy the ticket just before leaving the security area where the luggage is picked up and after the customs checkpoint. Bus drop off point is Huang Gang. A nice bonus is this is probably the fastest way to get to Shenzhen from HK a/p as the driver goes like a maniac. Takes about 40 to 45 minutes. A very persistent taxi driver latched onto me at the drop off point and wouldn't leave me alone. He seemed harmless but I didn't trust him, felt sure I would be ripped off. What I had learned in Thailand was that a taxi that is sitting needs to rip off his passenger to make a living. A moving taxi is always cheaper if you can flag him down as he is productive and doesn't need to prey on tourists. He called an english speaking lady on his mobile and she talked to me but I wasn't convinced he knew where I wanted to go. Heard a lot of horror stories about getting into a cab and having them take you on a forever tour looking for the place you want. Tried to buy a sim card for my mobile phone, guy in a little shop at the station said 400 rmb (with a straight face no less). I thought that can't be right, if its that expensive how do all the Chinese people afford mobiles. Seeing my lack of interest at 400 he offered another one for 250 rmb. Usually when I feel someone has tried to rip me off I don't do any business there so I turned that down as well. (Ended up buying one the next day for 75 rmb with 40 rmb of time on it.) A lady and a man stopped their car to see what I needed, I explained sleep (with sign language as they didn't speak any english), they said 40 rmb, so I jumped in not having a clue what the 40 rmb was going to get me. They dropped me at a small hotel called Han She near the intersection of Jintian Rd and Fuqiang Rd. Deluxe single was 150 plus 50 service charge. Nice room but no bathtub and no internet. Downgraded the next day to regular single for 110 with no service charge, might be because service charge is only paid once for every week you stay. This room was very small and cramped but still had a/c tv and bathroom but was not a western toilet like the deluxe room had. Found the small room adequate if only I had internet. The room would definitely not impress the girls. Very clean however, just a bit too basic for most people I would imagine. Went for a massage down the street, 55 rmb for 2 hours, seemed like a very good value. One girl sells me the service, another girl leads me to the upstairs rooms and leaves and another girl comes to take over and give me the massage. Very strong and deep massage for 2 hours with the kind of ending we can only dream about back home. I did not give any tip, paid at the desk on the way out, but felt a bit guilty about it. Had two strange experiences with tipping later that night. Went for dinner and when I paid the bill I gave exact change and then gave the waitress 2 extra rmb as a tip. She took the money then looked at the two rmb and insisted I take it back. As I walked home I bought some fruit, price was 9. 70 rmb, so I gave the girl 10 and walked away. She caught up to me and insisted on giving me. 5 rmb change. In both cases they seemed very friendly and very happy to have the business from a foreigner but don't yet understand tipping. I was impressed. This isn't in backwoods China, this is 2 minutes drive from the Hong Kong border crossing. So far the most beautiful Chinese girl I have seen was waiting in the airline checkin lineup right in front of me in Vancouver and travelling to Hong Kong. Her body was to die for.

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James Cook

01-18-08, 15:07

Have any guy here ever tried Jinpeng hotel sauna service? Any good exprience ? Thanks.

JC

Old Mean Dog

01-18-08, 18:44

Have any guy here ever tried Jinpeng hotel sauna service? Any good exprience ? Thanks.

JC

I've heard of and have probably passed the hotel, but no experience.

On a side note: The Gold Hotel is located on Shennan Rd near Dongmen and it's probably a Chinese 3 star, maybe 4. The barber is a pimp and will call some fine ass girls to your room, someone I know stayed there and had a solid 9 visit him, but he did pay 800 for LT.

-CPE

Soulman

01-18-08, 18:46

Went to Seibu Fri night.

It was DEAD. BBS were shut down and no more tons of take out girls in front of Seibu. There were few mommies and one of them brought couple of girls. There weren't that cute.

Took one girl with large racks to Landmark Crowne Plaza neat Seibu and she turned out to be rare good lay. Nymph would describe her. She enjoyed it bit too much and creative on the positions. I guess something can be said about not so beautiful girls enjoy getting laid. Price was 200 RMB and I gave her 100 RMB tip for her service as it's rare to get girls to go all out and enjoy instead of rushing you to go out to get another john.

Where are the decent BBS actions near Lowu?

OldAsiaHand

01-19-08, 01:46

Soulman,

You can try the village behind Shennan Lu, but I suggest you get there after 10PM. You will not find the quantity or quality you would have in Seibu, but there are many BBS back there.

Just my POV.

OAH

P.S. Sorry I cannot get down to SZ this weekend to hook-up with you. Weekends are tough for me and I am headed for BJ on Sunday.

Went to Seibu Fri night.

It was DEAD. BBS were shut down and no more tons of take out girls in front of Seibu. There were few mommies and one of them brought couple of girls. There weren't that cute.

Took one girl with large racks to Landmark Crowne Plaza neat Seibu and she turned out to be rare good lay. Nymph would describe her. She enjoyed it bit too much and creative on the positions. I guess something can be said about not so beautiful girls enjoy getting laid. Price was 200 RMB and I gave her 100 RMB tip for her service as it's rare to get girls to go all out and enjoy instead of rushing you to go out to get another john.

Where are the decent BBS actions near Lowu?

OldAsiaHand

01-19-08, 01:48

Have any guy here ever tried Jinpeng hotel sauna service? Any good exprience ? Thanks.

JC

JC,

Send Csun213 a PM. He is a frequent patron of the hotel and knows it very well. I've stayed there once, but did not try the sauna.

OAH

Soulman

01-19-08, 03:05

Hi OAH,

Thanks for the info! Really appreciate your help since 2002.

Cheers

Soulman,

You can try the village behind Shennan Lu, but I suggest you get there after 10PM. You will not find the quantity or quality you would have in Seibu, but there are many BBS back there.

Just my POV.

OAH

P.S. Sorry I cannot get down to SZ this weekend to hook-up with you. Weekends are tough for me and I am headed for BJ on Sunday.

ManonsanBoy

01-19-08, 08:38

Was there @ 3 pm. Usual supplier had 10 to choose from. None in the streets. All viewing upstairs.

Soulman

01-20-08, 00:31

Went to bars/discos inside King Glory mall next to Guo Mao subway station last night. It was hopping and very crowded with HK crowd. Didn't notice the working girls at the 2 bars (3rd and 5th floor). I was there with KTV date. Didn't feel like paying for KTV alone so called my Olympus KTV date to join me for dinner, bar hopping and of course bed actions.

Went up to one of the Lowu apartments near SHAGrila. Picked a skinny cuti and didn't feel like haggling so paid mommy tout 200 RMB to get her off my back. Session was boring mechanical over rock hard bed with girl complaining that it was too cold in the room. Her boyfriend called her during our session and I was pumping her hard over the edge of the bed while she talked to her boyfriend for a while. Fun to watch her facial motion unable to moan. If her BF only realized what she was doing. :)

Old Mean Dog

01-20-08, 07:22

OK. I'll accept that you didn't intend for us to take it literally, and my apologies for being rude.

As for all this talk about the chinese girls being sexually more passionate and having more orgasms, I just don't believe.

Us guys on this forum are mostly fucking hookers. They are professionals. Their job is to satisfy the customers. Pretending to have orgasms is part of the service.

Last time I went to a sauna, the girl was pretending to have an orgasm while washing me in the shower. How stupid is that!?

The only times these girls have orgasams, is when you give them a big tip!!

Apparently, some are better at bullshitting their customers than others and some customers are more nieve than most.

-CPE

Tile Man4

01-20-08, 10:27

OWL,

WTF! Moody, CPExpat and now Santa. What is your problem?

These guys are just calling you out on your bullshit which is misleading to readers of this forum. Most people read things literally. I took it the same way.

Santa was just being realistic. I am relatively certain that the vast majority of the SP in China do not have orgasms with customers. Some just pretend better than others.

I agree with other members here. If it turns you on, that's fine, but don't mislead members that all the P4P girls in China are GFE and have multiple orgasms. It just ain't true.

Just my POV.

OAH

I did fuck a WG in Guangzhou one afternoon , she did get her rocks off first. She stopped and told me she was sorry at least 10 fucking times. I tried to say WTF lady , don't worry about it , have your O and then I will have mine soon. So , do you you get the point what these women are being taught.

They don't even think about their O , just get your man off , get the money and get the fuck out. Maybe I had the 1 out of a 100+ that just had a lucky day.

When I do have a WG that makes too much fake noise , I simply ask her to stop the fake BS and lets finish business here. IMHO , All these women are doing is mimicking sounds of your O that they want you to have.

take care , be safe and have a happy O.

tile man

Tile Man4

01-20-08, 10:35

The only times these girls have orgasams, is when you give them a big tip!!

Apparently, some are better at bullshitting their customers than others and some customers are more nieve than most.

-CPE

I hear all the talk about all the little extras we must pay for these WG's. Holy shit , now we need to give them more money if they have an O. What a wonderful world we live in guys. I do love it and I do love China.

take care and be safe

tile man

ABCinLA

01-20-08, 11:19

After seeing my dentist (took train down from much more low key CP), I decided to walk the Seibu area around 1pm. Of course no shops were opened but got harrassed by 4 mommies and was offered to go into several apts to check out the girls (still some stunners). I guess as this was a sunday a few SWs milling about also on the outside. Should be absolutely no problem getting a girl out back to your hotel versus doing it there in their dingy rooms if they view you as a no hassle customer.

Old Mean Dog

01-20-08, 15:40

I hear all the talk about all the little extras we must pay for these WG's. Holy shit , now we need to give them more money if they have an O. What a wonderful world we live in guys. I do love it and I do love China.

take care and be safe

tile man

Now TM,

We just talking about the tugjob joints here. I seriously doubt any of them are gonna have the big "O' choking a guys chicken. I do know many of the young, inexperienced WG's do achieve orgasam, as it's happended to me (the ones who were GFE), but the seasoned troopers are just looking to make you pop as fast as you can so they can get back to doing whatever they were doing when you found them.

-CPE

Tile Man4

01-20-08, 16:02

Now TM,

We just talking about the tugjob joints here. I seriously doubt any of them are gonna have the big "O' choking a guys chicken. I do know many of the young, inexperienced WG's do achieve orgasam, as it's happended to me (the ones who were GFE), but the seasoned troopers are just looking to make you pop as fast as you can so they can get back to doing whatever they were doing when you found them.

-CPE

We both know CPE that we both joke , but we should get serious and start telling all the new guys................ If you tell your WG , that if she has an orgasam or sounds like she is having one , then we deduct 10% from her pay.
ha ha. This should cut down on the fake noise and fake O problem.

Good idea or not?

Take care CPE and be safe. I look forward to having a beer with some of you crazy guys in CP soon.

tile man

Santa

01-20-08, 17:00

If you tell your WG , that if she has an orgasam or sounds like she is having one , then we deduct 10% from her pay.
ha ha. This should cut down on the fake noise and fake O problem.

Good idea or not?

Not a good idea! Sure, we know they are mostly faking the big O, but where's the harm. In fact, if it helps us pop and enjoy the session, then it is good. Most guys tell me "oh, I know she had an orgasm because I could feel the contractions". Well, I still don't believe it. But if it helps us pop and feel good about ourselves, then that's fine with me.

Also, I don't give a shit if she has an orgasm or not. I'm the customer, not her!

How do you give her a real orgasm? Well, there is a guaranteed way to give a chinese girl a real orgasm, if that's what you want to do. Just whisper in her ear these three magic words, "let's go shopping".

Tile Man4

01-20-08, 17:05

Not a good idea! Sure, we know they are mostly faking the big O, but where's the harm. In fact, if it helps us pop and enjoy the session, then it is good. Most guys tell me "oh, I know she had an orgasm because I could feel the contractions". Well, I still don't believe it. But if it helps us pop and feel good about ourselves, then that's fine with me.

Also, I don't give a shit if she has an orgasm or not. I'm the customer, not her!

There is in fact a guaranteed way to give a chinese girl a real orgasm, if that's what you want to do. Just whisper in her ear these three magic words, "let's go shopping".

You da man Santa , OK we go with your idea. I was only trying to save us a little money and cut down on the noise problem.

you all be safe and take care

tile man

SE Asia Joe

01-21-08, 03:50

Are you guys suffering from Hooker burn-out?
I mean - all this talk about hooker orgasm, GFE,
chinese divorce etc - coupled with the very much reduced action available these days before CNY!
Past couple or so months have been quite a trip for me with multiple (err.... very multiple!) encounters, situations, gals, positions, experiences etc - but even for me - one who's had a relatively short history of "pure and pure hookering" I'm already feeling a bit..... bored. I mean, how many different faces do I have to have sucking me, how many different positions, how many new and exciting nubile bodies do I ahve to have?
I've also chatted with a few other true blue mongers past week-end - and I detect that even these guys are getting burned-out. One guy wants to go to Kunming to instead do the tourist thing, one would rather go riding and bouncing around all over the place instead of goling on the hunt, One wants to start a free/cheap English corner just to relieve his boredom, one was working - and working hard - on a hard to get freebie - and worse - a couple even wants to go back "home" much earlier than originally planned!
Or am I just an old softy who needs "just that little bit more" in relationships?
SE Asia Joe

SE Asia Joe

01-21-08, 10:10

OWL,

I'm gonna try to be civilized with you.

Why must you say things like this and/or mislead people? By taking a "tool" I assume you mean a weapon.

-CPE

OWL,

WTF! Moody, CPExpat and now Santa. What is your problem?

These guys are just calling you out on your bullshit which is misleading to readers of this forum.
OAH
OWL - I've really got to hand it to you. You get knocked about your BS and still you come back with more. So many guys took the mick out of you and you come back all P.O'd off ... but...and still you go back and write some more playboy advisor pieces.
Hell, if it was me, I'd already high-tailed it out from here eons ago - or at least get back to reality!
and Nah - this ain't no grudging admiration piece either. But like I said, I still gotta hand it to you!! What's drivin' you man?
SE Asia Joe

Furias

01-21-08, 10:25

Why must you say things like this and/or mislead people? By taking a "tool" I assume you mean a weapon. Do you know what happens if you stick one of the guys and don't drop all of them? They gonna beat you to a pulp and possibly stick you over and over with your "own" tool.
-CPECpe is exactly correct here. Shenzhen isn't Newark or East St. Louis. This is an extremly safe place, unless you try to cheat someone or interfear in someone else's business. Stick to the basics. Don't carry too much cash (and perhaps carry it in your front pocket), don't wear jewelry and never get physical (you will loose). If the worst happens and you do get mugged just hand over the cash and consider it one of life's lessons. FYI, in three years in Shenzhen this has NEVER happened to me, but it isn't too difficult to read the newspaper and figure out that most violent crime here is either domestic or directed against law enforcement.

Also, 3000RMB per month is not a luxury apartment. A luxury apartment is more like 10, 000-12, 000RMB per month. This is an expensive city. Even then electricity (like gasoline) isn't any more expensive here than anywhere else. I've never paid more than 1000RMB per month.

You have to stop thinking that the Chinese think like westerners. They don't like too much air conditioning because they're not used to it. If you take a mainland girl to Hong Kong in the summer she will complain about how cold all the department stores are. Just like milk and cheese, they haven't acquired a taste for it. In the winter it will be all you can do to keep her from opening all the windows, as she says "we need fresh air". "Yes, but I'm freezing" you will reply as your lips turn blue.

And finally I absolutely agree that we're seeing an increased amount of LE this year with CNY fast approaching (Chun Jie dao le) and the Olympics. Remember that in China it is not unusual for things to crack down, suppliers to have quality problems, etc. ahead of CNY as a reminder to give the gift of graft. It makes you realize how important these people are, and makes giving them a little extra "under the table" money worthwhile. Yes, LuoHu has been under a crackdown for counterfeit goods, with I understand approx. 30% of the fake goods shops shut down and some prison. But yesterday I took a friend there and had no trouble visiting my favorite shop while my friend loaded up on LV, Coach, Rolex etc. (Seriously, how much fake crap can one person stand?). The only difference I see is that instead of bringing it to the shops they take their trusted customers to the "warehouse", if you can call it that.

OWL, we're all glad you enjoy coming to our city and mongering. I believe the thing the more experienced members here are saying (and let me add that I am definately not an experienced monger in SZ although I'm trying) is that it would be best to leave much of this advice to people with more knowledge of the local scene.

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Eaglestar

01-21-08, 14:55

Moody

01-21-08, 14:56

Tiger 888

01-21-08, 15:37

You're right. Never get involved with an idiot. He pulls you down to his level and then beats you with experience.

Furias

01-21-08, 19:50

Things were normal tonight in the Nanshan BBS area. All the lights were on and all the girls were out (even if they were bundled up a bit). OK, maybe it was a little cold, but my very nice gal gave me a hot water bottle to make sure I was shufu. As has been mentioned before this is a much smaller area compared to Seibu (maybe 5 or 6 shops and I probably saw around ten girls in each shop). No nines, but plenty of sixes and sevens. Also I didn't see any other laowai there, so if you're looking to party like the locals then this might be an option.

I'm still really enjoying the FS massage at Haopengyou, near Coastal City. It isn't CP, but it's not bad for SZ. The other day I was having my usual 2 hour Thai massage (138RMB) which turned into FS for an extra 300. After a great session she started the massage again, but I could tell she was tired. I told her to rest a bit and we ended up having a great GF cuddle session. This to me makes it worth the extra money, and I love that my stuff is all locked away in the shower room for safety and security.

Can anyone comment on the saunas in Shekou these days? I would love to find some variety, but I'm concerned because there is such a high foreigner population there that I worry the service will be flat.

Besides, this gives us something to talk about instead of just constantly speculating about how OWLs mate. (Who Who?)

SE Asia Joe

01-22-08, 06:23

Moody, SEAJ, CPE......

You guys contribute so much to this thread why do you let OWL get under your skin? OWL is a mental midget and adds absolutely nothing to the forum. He make the village idiot look good.

Put the stupid fuck in your ignore list like I did and get on with helping all the other clueless yet worthy mongers get laid at the best possible price in safety and comfort.

Don't get down to OWL's level, you are so much better than that and every one here knows that. Did you see the "outpouring" of support to my post asking for all who thought OWL was substantial? Zero, natta, zilch. Who TF cares about him?

ES
Hmmmm. guess you're right. It's really not nice to berate the village idiot - just NOT what we in polite society should do.
Just pity him and be bemused when he say/do the silly things he says and do.
And only once a while step in when he does say/do something which is really outrageous. so Moody - don't put him on your ignore list and still come down on him when he does write something really outrageous - that's what I'll do.
SE Asia Joe

Fastm5

01-22-08, 10:51

OWL,

My guess is the raids in Seibu are due to the upcoming Spring Festival, Canton Fair and Olympics all fairly close to each other. For the 2 years I was in SZ, the raids always increased prior to the Spring Festival, but this time more eyes are on SZ due to the Olympics. Have you noticed how Luohu Commerical Center has big signs all in it saying the government has put an end to counterfeit goods? All the shops are dumping all their fake crap now.....

Anyway, good luck on your adventures and safe travels.

-CPEI was at Lowhu couple weeks ago. Fake goods are still on public display (at both Lowhu commercial center, and Sai Gor electronic shopping area). I see plenty of fake Ipod, ipod nano, and Iphone every where.

The counterfeit bags, watches, and DVD are still plenty at Lowhu. Just as same as before that you order from a catalog. Nothing has really changed.

Wapec

01-22-08, 16:55

Ain't it the bloody truth ! "Let's go shopping". Damn that's why "let's go to the park and hold hands walking by the lake" wasn't working for me.

Santa, dude, you crack me up sometimes. Catch up with you soon for a barney!

Wapec

You da man Santa , OK we go with your idea. I was only trying to save us a little money and cut down on the noise problem.

you all be safe and take care

tile man

Weelock

01-22-08, 21:16

Cpe is exactly correct here. Shenzhen isn't Newark or East St. Louis. This is an extremly safe place, unless you try to cheat someone or interfear in someone else's business. -cut-

From an old report I posted in 2006. I also added some more info.

Sorry I have to disagree with China being extremely safe. Southern China is known for being the most dangerous place in all of China. It has the highest crime rate in all of China. The Chinese gov't will not tell the public too much about it. You will find most of the stories from HK and Taiwan Newspapers. Crime is mainly due the all the poor migrant working coming from other parts of China to the South to work in the factories. It gets worst just before Chinese New Year. Crocks try to get more just before going back home for the New Year. I was told Dongguan County is the worst place for crime rate. Dongguan is far worst than Shenzhen because to get into Shenzhen ( SAR ) you generally need a pass.

Before they installed cameras on buses, gangs would hold up entire buses to rob passengers. Then scams, like fake land, job offers and housing sales.

If you are a white guy, it is generally safer. It’s mainly because of language barriers and the consequences. Like if anything happened to a white guy, like being murdered, the police will make a point to the public to never happen again. With the Olympics coming up, the gov't will want China to be must safer for foreigners. They surely don't want any bad international new.

A white guy is NOT immune. I have read and heard some little stuff. For example, a white guy picked up a girl and three or four guy came in the hotel room later. Then some pick pocketing of money. These are from previous posts and what I heard.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/19/w...rld&oref=slogin

"The resulting rootlessness has fed a wave of crime of a sort hardly ever seen elsewhere in China. Gunfights, kidnappings and gang warfare are rife, and crime rates are skyrocketing.

Although the city does not publish crime data, the Southern Metropolitan News, one of the most reputable Chinese newspapers, reported that there were 18,000 robberies in 2004 in Baoan. Baoan is just ONE of six districts in Shenzhen. By comparison, in Shanghai, a city of around 18 million, there were only 2,182 reported robberies for all of 2004".

The link below for virtualtouist has TWO pages of warnings about dangers and crime.

http://www.virtualtourist.com/trave...nzhen-BR-1.html

http://www.virtualtourist.com/trave...nzhen-BR-2.html

Post by other members on crime.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=544887&postcount=4000

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=544863&postcount=3999

Soulman

01-23-08, 03:58

my taiwanese friends told me to be very careful and don't venture outside hotel at night in dg. as for sz, avoid not so well lit alleys and walkways. it's well publicized in taiwan and hk press.

now is the worst time when migrant workers need extra rmb to return home. gong an is pretty worthless when it comes to tracking down migrant thieves. leave credit card and don't carry too much cash when you venture out.

in fact many of the local residents are targeted with thieves stealing mobile phones and wallets. don't resist and give everything you've got. many are amateurs and you don't want them to wield their knife by confronting them. buddy of mine thought he was a hero by chasing after pickpocket using screwdriver as weapon in zh. that was dumb move to get his wallet back as many of these criminals operate in teams.

my ktv friend told me that even their colleague steal from pretty popular girls raking in the rmb. they would call the girl out to their flat or alley and couple of touts will threaten to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) unless ktv girls gives everything she has. these brazen thieves will even follow ktv girls to their flats to steal more.

sorry i have to disagree with china being extremely safe. southern china is known for being the most dangerous place in all of china. it has the highest crime rate in all of china. the chinese gov't will not tell the public too much about it. you will find most of the stories from hk and taiwan newspapers. crime is mainly due the all the poor migrant working coming from other parts of china to the south to work in the factories. it gets worst just before chinese new year. crocks try to get more just before going back home for the new year. i was told dongguan county is the worst place for crime rate. dongguan is far worst than shenzhen because to get into shenzhen ( sar ) you generally need a pass.

TangZhen

01-23-08, 05:27

Went out last evening and first tried ShaZui, but it was pretty dead there. I could have tried to get a mama to line something up, but I prefer to shop for myself. So I caught a taxi to Seibu and was shocked to see how dead it is there. No girl shops open. After a tour of the area to confirm it was dead, I took one last pass to see if it would be worth coming back to later. Luckly I saw a mama who asked me if I was looking, told her I was and we went up stairs to a flat with the girls in one room. She had about 6 girl available and they were pretty nice looking bunch. Picked Xiao Liu from Hunan who was fun. I liked that she was the type that did not mind being 'warmed up' a bit first with a bit of play (no kissing though), since I like that also. Normal 150 rmb confirmed at the start, though I gave a small tip of 15 rmb which she appreciated. She would not have been my first pick as she was rather short and maybe only a B cup girl, but as usual sometimes you get better service from the less stunning looking girls.

Old Mean Dog

01-23-08, 05:34

I was at Lowhu couple weeks ago. Fake goods are still on public display (at both Lowhu commercial center, and Sai Gor electronic shopping area). I see plenty of fake Ipod, ipod nano, and Iphone every where.

The counterfeit bags, watches, and DVD are still plenty at Lowhu. Just as same as before that you order from a catalog. Nothing has really changed.

Not sure how often you are there, but did you notice the big red banners hanging all around the place? They state that the government is aware of the problem and is cracking down......hahaha talk is cheap.

I did see on several occassions shops getting rid of their shit. I asked a guy I was buying a pair of jeans from for my gf (counterfeit Victoria Beckham brand) why he was not ditching them and he said his jeans were not 100% counterfeit due to them being Victoria "Beckhem" so the cops did not insist he dump them.

Catalogs are not the actual product and will probably be the wave of the future for fake shit. All those shops have small warehouses located behind the Shangri-La Hotel.

-CPE

Bnlee2

01-23-08, 05:50

not sure how often you are there, but did you notice the big red banners hanging all around the place? they state that the government is aware of the problem and is cracking down......hahaha talk is cheap.

i did see on several occassions shops getting rid of their shit. i asked a guy i was buying a pair of jeans from for my gf (counterfeit victoria beckham brand) why he was not ditching them and he said his jeans were not 100% counterfeit due to them being victoria "beckhem" so the cops did not insist he dump them.

catalogs are not the actual product and will probably be the wave of the future for fake shit. all those shops have small warehouses located behind the shangri-la hotel.

-cpe

cpe

i do agree with your comment on fastm5. two weeks ago when i was at the lowu center on monday the 15th, the cops came in and busted over seventy shop at the commercial center with all those stores. the stores do not display the fake goods. if fastm5 saw them, i think he may have a bit of an imagination problem. many of us do after a few drinks. when i was there that weekend i did not see any of the fake goods on display. usually you need to ask them quietly and then they pull out the catalogs of the products. if you want one, then they will send a runner to fetch it for you to feel and touch.

i do not think any of the shop owners are dumb enough to display exact copies anymore. raids are not weekly, i was told by a someone that owns about ten of those stores that it happens daily and unexpectedly.

just watch out it is not worth it. it you are caught bring it in, customs will confirep001e it and give you a bill for the fine. someone said that the current fine is $1k per dvd and $10k per item fine for things like handbags and other fineries.

recently on this forum there seems to be a few member that have a tendencies to have this imagination problem. just a note, i hear that disney is looking for imagineers.

just my pov

Weelock

01-23-08, 06:02

-cut-
just watch out it is not worth it. it you are caught bring it in, customs will confirep001e it and give you a bill for the fine. someone said that the current fine is $1k per dvd and $10k per item fine for things like handbags and other fineries.

recently on this forum there seems to be a few member that have a tendencies to have this imagination problem. just a note, i hear that disney is looking for imagineers.

just my pov

which border are you talking about and what currency?
is it the hk, china or us customs? i usually bring home to the usa about 25 to 40 dvd of computer games and movies. if it's usd, that's 25k to 40k. i'd be broke.

Old Mean Dog

01-23-08, 06:05

China has crime as well, I have witnessed it with my own eyes. I have been out in DG numerous times at night without a single problem, but I always stick to the main areas of town and/or go in groups of 2 or more if I am heading to the seedier parts of town.

I have heard about Asian guys getting abducted by the private taxi's, they are taken into an alley where a gang of fellas will come out and rob and/or beat the snot out of the guy.

As Soulman has said, being in public places is one thing, but to go into dark alleys or be in places you are not supposed to be in is another. If you worry about a location you are in, then get the hell out of it. Taking a pen knife, ninja throwing star, a can of mace or any other bullshit is bad news if you get bottled up in a tight situation.

One of the main reasons I normally don't "dine in" at the Seibu area is because of the enviroment OWL went into....dark stairwells, unfamiliar building, no backup. Crime is committed on those who are unaware of their surroundings and in our case, too horny to care.

-CPE

Old Mean Dog

01-23-08, 06:15

Which border are you talking about and what currency?
Is it the HK, China or US customs? I usually bring home to the USA about 25 to 40 DVD of computer games and movies. If it's USD, that's 25K to 40K. I'd be broke.

Hong Kong Customs is busting and fining those who are caught with this stuff, then you gotta worry about your home country customs finding it as well, I heard it's a stiff fine. It's a gamble: some win, some lose. My buddy just left China with about 20 WWii games and some movies and never got stopped once, but I have read on other forums about guys who got nailed in HK or home.

I remember reading the news, I think it was in Malaysia, where they have 2 K-9 teams that have been trained to sniff out DVD's/CD's and have met with great success. Some kind of chemical used to make the DVD/CD is what the dog can smell.

-CPE

BTW: For what it's worth; I have heard to take the movies/games/software out of the packaging and put them in a CD carrying case is a bit safer then carrying them around in the packages they came in.

Bnlee2

01-23-08, 06:31

Which border are you talking about and what currency?
Is it the HK, China or US customs? I usually bring home to the USA about 25 to 40 DVD of computer games and movies. If it's USD, that's 25K to 40K. I'd be broke.
Weelock

someone told me that some dude got busted on the US westcoast coming in from Asia. he had a sh*tload of DVD and some counterfeit goods. After the US custom got through with him he was literally bankrupt. I also was told by a colleague that a friend was caught (I think it was a HK girl) with some DVD and the fine was fairly stiff.

good luck.. i personally do not think it is worth it.

OldAsiaHand

01-23-08, 07:28

The key word in this post is "them". You cannot expect a fair fight in China. They will find as many guys as necessary to help "them" beat the shit out of you.

Best to just avoid any confrontations at all costs.

Just my POV.

OAH

Why must you say things like this and/or mislead people? By taking a "tool" I assume you mean a weapon. Do you know what happens if you stick one of the guys and don't drop all of them? They gonna beat you to a pulp and possibly stick you over and over with your "own" tool.

The "best" advice you should write is; Don't go into a situation you can't get out of. Kicking guys in the balls or shanking a fella just leads to your ass whooping if you don't put him/them out for the count. Talk (words) are cheap and guys who talk tough are usually the first ones to crumble or get hurt when the shit really hits the fan.

Bounce Around

01-23-08, 09:14

Hi guys,

I plan to be in Shenzhen two weekends in Feb (15th, and 22nd) what do you think the mongering possibilities are then? I would imagine most people would be back by then.

Also Furias (or anyone else) where is the Nanshan BBS area exactly, I once noticed a single BBS near a resturaunt/commercial area on one of the side roads off the main road that comes right after Nanshan Road (the main road with a big colorfull pedestrian crossing, turn left and then right).

And Furias: can you PM me the directions for the FS massage place you mentioned.

Never found any other BBSs in Nanshan. I prefer to stay in Nanshan or Hua qiang Bei when I visit and the information could help. Otherwise I am thinking about staying in the Lou Hu area. The weekend of the 15th though I am thinking may be a busy one, right before the start of work, etc.

On the crime note, I was once having a conversation with a local young guy who works in BaoAn and he said they tend not to walk around late and night and that BaoAn has much more crime than anyother place in Shenzhen. On the flip side I know a girl who lives in BaoAn and raves about it, even had me for dinner there once and we walked around this open square where they had music and dancing etc. And finally while staying at a pretty decent hotel in Nanshan I had a friend who was picking me up from the hotel in the morning, she was walking from the Bai Shi zu pedestrian bridge to my hotel 10:00 am and some guy ripped the gold necklace right off her in the middle of the crowd and ran. She arrived with her neck all bruised, said the first time something like that happened to her. But then I noticed she never used to carry a purse unless she had to.

Stay safe, and do PM if you'll be in the area.

Weelock

01-23-08, 16:15

Hi guys,

I plan to be in Shenzhen two weekends in Feb (15th, and 22nd) what do you think the mongering possibilities are then? I would imagine most people would be back by then.

In my opinion, it's still too close of a time frame to CNY. Remember, CNY last about 3-4 weeks. Girls will slowly show up and more will show up as CNY ends.

-cut-
On the flip side I know a girl who lives in BaoAn and raves about it, even had me for dinner there once and we walked around this open square where they had music and dancing etc.

One time I took a taxi from Fuitian to BaoAn. It cost me about 80 RMB. I was afraid I was going to be late for a date but most of the time I take the 395 bus for 5 RMB. For BaoAn, I have been there a few times and notice a lot of bars and night clubs. The kind of night clubs were both boys and girls can go together and yes, there were some KTV also. I also saw one nice big sauna place. The 395 Bus goes pass most of these places. For the open square, I think I been there. A lot of resturant surrounding the square. Then there is a 2 store McDonalds next to a pedestrian walk bridge.

Note there were 18,000 robberies in 2004 in Baoan. Baoan is just ONE of six districts in Shenzhen. By comparison, in Shanghai, there were only 2,182 reported robberies for all of 2004.

Superforce99

01-23-08, 16:58

For BaoAn, I have been there a few times and notice a lot of bars and night clubs. The kind of night clubs were both boys and girls can go together and yes, there were some KTV also.

Weebock,

I'm more interested in the kind of night clubs where only girls can go together. Can you show me, thanks a million...

J

Wapec

01-23-08, 17:32

Ownage Sex

01-24-08, 01:16

Hi,

I'm first time to ShenZhen so need some good advise.

Bnlee2

01-24-08, 06:20

OldAsiaHand

01-24-08, 07:35

Hi,

I'm first time to ShenZhen so need some good advise.

If you RTFF, you would know that all the saunas in ShenZhen have been closed down. Or, maybe you would find out how they work!

OAH

Moody

01-24-08, 09:23

Hi,

I'm first time to ShenZhen so need some good advise.

First you have to show them the secret handshake. If you don't give them the secret handshake, they'll just show you to the regular sauna area with lots of naked guys. I would show you the secret handshake, but as the name implies, it's a secret.....

Weelock

01-24-08, 15:45

Yeah Wheelock, I am with JK on this.

How about bars / clubs where only girls go together shuang fei style like ?

Thanks dude ! Maybe we can talk more about these girlie places when I see you next?

Wapec

Hello,

I am not 100% sure about these bars and clubs. I was told and saw there are a few bars and dance ( disco ) places in Baoan. In front of a building, I saw a large LCD TV set showing people dancing. It was some kind of advertisement. It might have been for a KTV? There are also a few smaller bars around this area. I only adventured a few blocks but I have been there a few times now. From what my friend said and from “Bounce Around’s” girlfriend, it sounds like a wild place for girls, then also for crime.

For directions, for Johnny, you can get there by taking the 395 bus. Since you know where is Futian Hospital and GDH Inn, I will start from there. To catch this bus you need to go pass Shennan Rd for about 1 block. This bus runs parallel to Shennan Rd for a while and then will go onto Shennan Rd. Catch it going westward towards Happy Valley and Window of the World. It will take about 1 hour to 1.5 hours from Futian, 5 RMB. You will get off at “Bao An Hai Ya” bus stop. I have the Chinese Name for the bus stop but unfortunately I can’t write Chinese. Just in front of this bus stop is a handjob place. To the right of the HJ place is a flower shop. Across the street are a McDonalds and a large public square surrounded by restaurants. The large square with all the restaurants is fairly new. You have a walk over a pedestrian walkway to get to McDonalds. The bus stop after “Bao An hai Ya”, are few places for bars and a Disco. You will also pass a large sauna or massage place on the right if you are walking. There are lots of light in front of this place. Don’t know if any extras is available at this massage place..

There is another location in Baoan but I don’t remember since someone took me there once. We went to the area for dinner and I notice more bars and a big dance ( disco ) places. I am sure there are other locations in Baoan for bars and more dance places.

Again, I am NOT 100% sure if these places are disco places or KTV’s since I was on a bus, taxi, on foot and with someone. I am sure about the bus stop and the bus number because I have it on my cell phone. I had to show the person collecting money on the bus and a cabbie where I wanted to go. My Mandarin is very very limited. Note, bring some kind of ID. When I was coming back, the bus was stop and checked for ID’s going back into Shenzhen at a check point but it was last year.

Superforce99

01-24-08, 16:01

Uhhh....Weemock,

I was fucking joking around with you...read your quote again:

For BaoAn, I have been there a few times and notice a lot of bars and night clubs. The kind of night clubs were both boys and girls can go together and yes, there were some KTV also.

I was laughing outloud after reading your quote because...what the hell is a nightclub "where both boys and girls can go together"?? Are there kinds where only boys can go?! Only girls can go?! Ha ha ha...Plus the fact that you just PASSED by the place and didn't even go inside...

J

Weelock

01-24-08, 16:12

Uhhh....Weemock,

I was fucking joking around with you...read your quote again:

I was laughing outloud after reading your quote because...what the hell is a nightclub "where both boys and girls can go together"?? Are there kinds where only boys can go?! Only girls can go?! Ha ha...

Plus the fact that you just PASSED by the place and didn't even go inside...ha ha ha, c'mon, man...

J

I'm still editing it. Sorry I am not the greatest writer. I thought you were fuck'en serious about it and wanted to know. I thought you wanted to take a real date out to a regular night club or bar and NOT to a KTV type night club to pickup working girls to fuck. Like I said I am not 100% sure about these places since I never went in but you wanted to know more.

What I meant to write was a guy and girl can go together on a date since it might be a regular legit night club.

It seem like you are ALWAYS fuck'en joking around about me. It's more than once now. Next time just send me a PM telling me something is wrong with my writing.

Wapec

01-24-08, 16:41

Moody,

You forgot to mention that if you get the secret handshake wrong and use your l'il pinky they take you round back and chop your dick off, fry it and feed it to the dogs.

There is some serious shit that goes down with the secret handshake.

Wapec

First you have to show them the secret handshake. If you don't give them the secret handshake, they'll just show you to the regular sauna area with lots of naked guys. I would show you the secret handshake, but as the name implies, it's a secret.....

TangZhen

01-25-08, 03:46

I think that LE has been crackdown on the area. Its too bad.It would seem so. I was a bit fortunate to find good service under the conditions, but I posted to let others know to keep an eye out for mamas who might be in the area. Normally I avoid them because they can cling like nothing and be a bother, plus I would rather choose myself but under the current situation they will be very modest to contact you and will let you go easily if it does not work out. I would bet I could have found a mama in ShaZui but left because I expected an open market at Seibu.

OldAsiaHand

01-25-08, 03:54

I think that LE has been crackdown on the area. Its too bad.

I am wondering if it is an official crackdown or just LE harrassment. Normally, during an official crackdown, you will see official announcements posted on the doors; two strips of paper in a 'X" formation stating, "Closed by the authority of the municipal government" or something like that. Is this the case in Seibu?

OAH

Bnlee2

01-25-08, 04:21

Bnlee2

01-25-08, 04:26

I am wondering if it is an official crackdown or just LE harrassment. Normally, during an official crackdown, you will see official announcements posted on the doors; two strips of paper in a 'X" formation stating, "Closed by the authority of the municipal government" or something like that. Is this the case in Seibu?

OAH

OAH

sorry did not notice the detail. i was out with ABCinLA going through the alleyway. I did notice that the alleyway seems to be cleaner than normal. We even sat down at one of the shops nearby killing about an hour of time to see if the favors return.

I saw your remark to Dan Hawaii... I will also be back again after CNY

TangZhen

01-25-08, 11:32

I am wondering if it is an official crackdown or just LE harrassment. Normally, during an official crackdown, you will see official announcements posted on the doors; two strips of paper in a 'X" formation stating, "Closed by the authority of the municipal government" or something like that. Is this the case in Seibu?OAHNo official closure seals on the door, just no girls and shut doors. I expect that the authorities made it known they wanted less exposure for the area for a while. I walked the area and no Gong An gave me any trouble or looked twice at me, so they are not real active to drive away people. I would expect if I came back quite late the stores might be open for business.

Manfest

01-25-08, 19:44

That’S the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. In the last three years I’ve come through Chicago, LA, and SFO probably 30 times and I’ve never seen US Customs with a pile of counterfeit handbags.
--cut--

First, public thanks to Furias for taking a call and helping out while I was in Nanshan. A true gentleman with offers to help. Look forward to meeting sometime.

I second your observations. Flying through LAX or SFO too numerous to count times, I have never seen "piles" of anything. This, I suspect, is at best an exageration and at worst bravado and a lie. On the otherhand, too many reports of customs catching people with pirated DVDs, possibly true, I don't know firsthand.

Everyone can assess their own risk/benefit tolerance. Cheers.

Santa

01-25-08, 21:01

Handbags, DVDs and Rolex watches for all your friends back in the States in your luggage? Well, you will certainly be in good company, as probably 80% of your fellow passengers are doing the same thing. Relax and have a good trip.

I'm not so sure.

I have never seen any piles of anything, such as OWL has described, but I have been selected out at customs. Had my bag very very carefully searched, and my passport carefully looked at. They looked at the visas carefully and asked me why here and why there, and why, why, why? Found nothing and finally let me go.

I must have fitted a profile I guess. Or was it random selection?

Customs have a right to search your bags and the contents of your laptop. But they do not have the right to body search you, "without probable cause", whatever that means.

Bnlee2

01-25-08, 21:39

I'm not so sure.

I have never seen any piles of anything, such as OWL has described, but I have been selected out at customs. Had my bag very very carefully searched, and my passport carefully looked at. They looked at the visas carefully and asked me why here and why there, and why, why, why? Found nothing and finally let me go.

I must have fitted a profile I guess. Or was it random selection?

Customs have a right to search your bags and the contents of your laptop. But they do not have the right to body search you, "without probable cause", whatever that means.

I have the same issue. They have pulled me out four out of the last five times. Went through my luggage and ask a series of questions. Luckily I have a shitload of work to show them that i am there for business. They asked me a bunch of useless questions. Total wasted time.. about ninety minutes each time. One time they tried to look into the files in my Palm and screwed it up, luckily i backed up all my file and restore it when i got back home.

As for OWL claim of the piles of goodies... I have never seen what he described. I have flown through SFO/LAX and JFK and never seen it, just a lot of unnecessary harassment in my POV

Csun213

01-26-08, 00:45

Member #1210

01-26-08, 01:12

Furias

01-26-08, 03:25

My uncle's friend who flew into LAX was pulled aside and searched at customs. They found 10 DVDs that he purchased in China. He was fined $1000/dvd for a total of $10,000.

I used to bring software and DVDs from China but no longer. My uncle made a point to call me up to tell me about it since he knew that I brought DVDs back for him and my friends.

Just not worth taking the chance anymore. It used to that customs will take the DVDs and let you go but I guess they are getting serious about it now.I'm always a little bit sceptical about these second hand stories, as it's hard to tell what really happened. As far as US Customs is concerned there is a big difference between bringing in counterfeit items for your own personal use and bringing in items to sell. If they suspect you are smuggling (bringing back 30 Rolex watches) then I would suspect that you’re going to receive rather more attention in the future. However, I have had both Chinese and US Customs examine my DVDs and have never been questioned about them. I usually carry around 25-30 and they’re a mix of US, Chinese and European. Of course I don’t have them in the Chinese counterfeit sleeves.

Below is from the US Customs website…

Articles bearing marks that are counterfeit or inappropriately using a federally registered trademark are subject to seizure and forfeiture.The importation of articles intended FOR SALE OR PUBLIC DISTRIBUTION (caps added by Furias) bearing counterfeit marks may subject an individual to a civil fine if the registered trademark has also been recorded with CBP. Articles bearing marks that are confusingly similar to a CBP recorded registered trademark , and restricted gray market articles (goods bearing genuine marks not intended for U.S. importation for which CBP granted gray market protection) are subject to detention and seizure.
However, travelers arriving in the United States may be permitted an exemption and allowed to import one article of each type, which must accompany the person, bearing a counterfeit, confusingly similar or restricted gray market trademark, provided that the article is for personal use and is not for sale.

Old Mean Dog

01-26-08, 04:18

That’S the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. In the last three years I’ve come through Chicago, LA, and SFO probably 30 times and I’ve never seen US Customs with a pile of counterfeit handbags. Hell, what else would people bring back from China? If you look at the regulations you are ALLOWED to bring back one counterfeit item (handbag, watch, etc.). The Customs people are not interested in us, they’re interested in the people who are really trying to smuggle. A $25 LV handbag isn’t going to get their attention. If it does it certainly isn’t going to get you a hefty fine and you won’t go to jail.

Handbags, DVDs and Rolex watches for all your friends back in the States in your luggage? Well, you will certainly be in good company, as probably 80% of your fellow passengers are doing the same thing. Relax and have a good trip.

What I've seen in USA: People trying to bring back more tobacco and booze then they are allowed and getting hit, I once saw a guy smoking 3 cigars at the same time!

Antiques and/or what appeared to be such getting stopped leaving China or entering HK, never saw any DVD's or garmets with my own eyes. I have seen many people with trashbags full of purses and clothes being wheeled behind them as they passed through customs.

I would think that if these DVD's were removed from the original package and placed in a CD case, they would not give a damn as you can claim they are for your own private use and you were unaware they were fakes. Now, a guy trying to bring back 10 copies of each movie/game on the shelf or someone with 100's of movies and games still in the original packaging would certainly raise suspicion.

-CPE

FYI: I was in Luohu Commerical Center just 2 days ago and still saw people packing up their counterfeit stuff.

Superforce99

01-26-08, 06:27

Apac Man

01-26-08, 15:12

...I must have fitted a profile I guess. Or was it random selection? ...The only sure thing about custom and immigration officers is that there is nothing sure about them! :) They do most of what they do, based on instinct and intuition and there are also a lot of things going on in the background that we are not even aware of it. The movie "Terminal" is a good example, a group of officers sitting up there watching people below through security cameras and one way mirrors. I've heard, and it could be just a fish story, that lug gages are x-rayed before they are put on luggage claim when you reach US and if they see a large number of things like DVD or watches, they watch on the CCTV who picks up that luggage and you will be asked specific questions or will be pulled aside for a search.

In all my trips back and forth, I was pulled over once and they asked me specifically: How many DVDs did you buy? This was 6-7 years ago when fake DVDs were sold in the DVD cases and I had 25 of them in my bag. I told them and they told me I had 2 choices, dump them in the trash can and never do it again or argue with them and they will put my name in the computer and for the rest of my life, every time I enter US, I'll be subject to search! Obviously, I decided first to pick up a pipe and kick them in the balls and get my DVDs back, but since both of them were females and had no balls, I went with option one and took the first DVD box, took the disk out, bent it and then threw it in the can! They stopped me and asked what I was doing! I said I was destroying the fake DVDs! At that point both parties knew what was going on and they told me since I was not aware of the severity (uh huh) of my act and since these were not for sale, I could take the DVDs but NEVER DO IT AGAIN!

And yes, there are also certain "profiles". For example, males of certain age and certain marital status that may travel to certain countries will be suspect for child porn. Certain females of certain age traveling to certain countries are suspect of bringing in fake items. So maybe there is one for Santa smuggling toys!

Apac Man

01-26-08, 15:38

In Sichuan a couple of years ago I was given a box of perfectly ripe loquats, too many to eat there. Spent a lot of time on line trying to find US entry restrictions that might apply. Exchanged emails with family in the US who tried to find out from Customs by phone. No information available! Brought the box, about half full, through entry at JFK. Could not even find a "red" line to review the question and ask! Brought the box home and enjoyed it! LOL.I am diabetic so I always carry something in my backpack for snack and it is usually something healthy. A couple of weeks ago I had to go to GZ from HK and not sure if I would have a chance to eat before meeting, I grabbed some fruit as I headed out of the door. I ate all the fruits except an apple in the train. After passing through the immigration in GZ, I got to custom area and there is an officer with a cute little dog and as I got close to them, this cute dog starts to growl at me like a demon (No! I did not pick up a pipe and kick its ball!). The officer motions for me to approach him and asks me if I had any fruits! I said yes, I have an apple and he points to this HUGE poster that says very clearly that you can not briny fruit, vegetables, and meat products to China! So I get escorted back to the inspection area, they take the apple, they fill out a form in six copies, they give me a lecture for 10 minutes of how I could have destroyed the entire agriculture industry of China and have 1 billion starving Chinese as a result, and then they let me go after signing all six copies and promising to NEVER do it again.

AM

Sammon

01-26-08, 16:40

Csun213

01-27-08, 22:53

Csun,

Can you tell me when this happened? Recently?

J

This happened last year. I used to think that customs just take the DVDs, software and then let you go however I think things have changed.

It happened to a personal friend of my uncle who goes to China to visit his family so it is not heard from a friend of a friend type of story.

My uncle called me as soon as his friend told him what had happened to him since he knows that I bring software and dvds back for them as gifts. I never brought back more than a total of 10 software, DVDs but now I won't do that anymore.

This did happen at LAX and I live in SFO but I just don't want to take the chance. I know that they were talking about big fines for software and DVDs but did not think it will ever happen until now.

I guess this is the future now.

Csun213

01-27-08, 22:59

As long as you are bringing things counterfeit in limited quantities for your personal use it is ok. If the customs ask you you tell them it is for your personal use.
I have brought many things clearly in the view of customes sometimes a case of whisky. They just ask whether I am going to sell it. When I say no they let me pass.
But I have never been searched thoroughly. Maybe there are two different rules. The people in charge of searches may be more strict and will pick on anything suspicious and uphold the law to a tee.

I believe this used to the case but now I think things have changed. I guess all the software companies and movie studios are putting pressure on the government to crack down on this.

It might be up to the custom agent if they want to let you go or make an example of you. After all you are breaking the law, I can not see the government saying that it is ok to break the law if you are not going to sell it.

I would love to hear back from other people on this. I am hoping that maybe my uncle's friend was either pissed off the custom agent or they just want to make an example out of someone and he just got caught.

I am going to purchase some software and mail it back home to my self and see if I have any problem there. If there is a problem, I can always say, I don't know who mailed it to me.

Horny Nomad

01-28-08, 03:02

If you guys are afraid, why don't you just rip the CD/DVDs to .iso... then install a program called TrueCrypt (Windows) to password your files? (hides your files too!) That way the customs can't find it. Now lets say they did find your hidden partition, (they can't crack the password btw, the encryption is too hard) and they ask for your password, you would give them your main password. (however, you shouldnt put your files in the partition, you create a hidden partition in that partition!) and you would have another password to access your TRUE hidden files!

Midrange

01-28-08, 05:53

To the moderator:

Flame wars detract from the purpose of this board and make it difficult for occasional users to RTFF. I would not propose that these messages be censored entirely, but I would suggest that after a certain period of time (say, one or two weeks) off-topic messages be deleted or moved.

Wapec

01-28-08, 14:33

PR

You are technically correct and this will work. I do something similar with software after compression on a rather large memory stick. However, the encryption algorithm can be broken by govt authorities.

For the average monger though this is not as easy as you describe (even using the evil Blue Screen).

Wapec

If you guys are afraid, why don't you just rip the CD/DVDs to .iso... then install a program called TrueCrypt (Windows) to password your files? (hides your files too!) That way the customs can't find it. Now lets say they did find your hidden partition, (they can't crack the password btw, the encryption is too hard) and they ask for your password, you would give them your main password. (however, you shouldnt put your files in the partition, you create a hidden partition in that partition!) and you would have another password to access your TRUE hidden files!

Sicer

01-28-08, 15:46

Gentlemen

If you are concerned about customs seizing your materials, and laying a hefty fine (or worse), there is a way to avoid it. All the software, movies and music you seek (and a whole lot more) is available free on Bit Torrent. www.slyck.com will get you started, www.thepiratebay.org for links to content.

I used to live in Japan and I was always amazed by the customs officials asking if had any uncensored porn (it’s illegal to show more than pubic hair there). Who in their right mind would go out of their way to bring back a playboy magazine or video, when it (and so much more) was easily and readily available at the click of your mouse! The internet has made so much like this irrelevant and ridiculous. Citizens will always find a way around governments which seek to suppress information and keep their citizens ignorant (long live the ISG! ). Knowledge is power; use it wisely.

My apologies for this off-topic comment.

Sicer

Fast Eddie 48

01-29-08, 11:51

I just return home to the US after 2 week in China the last few days in Shenzhen ,I have never seen Shenzhen bbs actions so dead all shop at Seibu and jusco are closed ,There are some mommie around Seibu area some girl is avalible up in the apartment but only a few girl are avalible and quality is bad and all shop at Futain walmart are closed .

There are girl avalible in Lo wu area girl is too young for me and quality is bad so the actions is at the sauna at futain and ha sha area start at 300 rmb and up ,Major crack down all over china I don't this will get any better soon maybe after the bejing game by end of the year.

Fast eddie 48

Ownage Sex

01-29-08, 15:43

Hi,

There are a group of mms at a building beside Century Plaza Hotel.

The following are some contacts if you need any -

Chen Jie - 13632967578
Ah Xiang - 13760400477
Chan Jie - 13691684652

Jolly Jungle

01-29-08, 18:58

I just been to two Saunas the past week, I don't think its true all have been close down , even Seibu is partly open still.

If you RTFF, you would know that all the saunas in ShenZhen have been closed down. Or, maybe you would find out how they work!

OAH

ManonsanBoy

01-30-08, 01:03

Please return to SEX

ABCinLA

01-30-08, 01:24

There are probably at least 30 mommies from both major streets leading away from Shangri La to about a block pass the Century Plaza. They are not as conspicuous as before. This is about what I remembered from about 5 days ago. However; if you slow down walking and look at some of the old broads they will approach you and try to take you up to one of the apartments to look at some girls or you can try to have them bring them down for you to look at. They really can't afford any hassles and its fairly easy to take one out to your liking back to your close by hotel. Some girls do get nervous about leaving the apt building and if you run across one really to your liking you may have to do her there (standard procedure and have seen lots of locals and Hong Kong guys going in and out and those rooms are cleaner than Seibu's). I may look at 10 plus girls before I finally pick one and always bring them back to my hotel room; but quality is better than the pink apts IMHO. Service has been all over the place depending on the length of time they've been in the business (always let them know what you want beforehand). I have been offered virgins but never take them up on it. It really helps if you have some language ability

Hi,

There are a group of mms at a building beside Century Plaza Hotel.

The following are some contacts if you need any -

Chen Jie - 13632967578
Ah Xiang - 13760400477
Chan Jie - 13691684652

Santa

01-30-08, 06:59

I have been offered virgins but never take them up on it. It really helps if you have some language ability

Good for you.

Tha Lowu (Luohu) area near the train station and ShangriLa Hotel is very dodgy. The "virgins" pitch is probably a scam.

A few years ago Jackson asked members of this board not to post on this topic because it generally involves minors.

Warning to others: Don't go to any of these "apartments" with any valubles on you. Lock everything, including your cards, in your safe. Carry only 200rmb.

Zhuren

01-30-08, 08:46

I used to live in Japan and I was always amazed by the customs officials asking if had any uncensored porn (it’s illegal to show more than pubic hair there).

I always find it funny going to a Japanese swing club. On the flatscreen, there is porn with pixelated pussies. And in front of it, there are real couples having a real orgy in real reality.

Midrange

01-31-08, 20:53

I can report that BBSs are still open for business in the areas near Sea World (near Mama's and Ghost Bar) and off Nanxin Road (behind the Wensha/Windsor Hotel).

Now, in exchange for providing this timely and valuable information. Can somebody provide, or link to, a basic introduction to how you do business with a BBS? I'm kind of intimidated!

RonJeremy101

02-01-08, 12:32

I will be in Hong Kong, Shenzhen, Dongguan, Zhu Hai and Guangzhou for the month of Feb and early March. Anyone interesting in hooking up for some mongering in those cities, please PM me. I am quite familiar with the cities except never explore Zhu Hai before.

Ron

Scribe

02-02-08, 17:46

Can somebody provide, or link to, a basic introduction to how you do business with a BBS? I'm kind of intimidated!
I'm a bit of a wimp and haven't got the nerve to just boldly walk into a BBS and choose a gal. However, if you walk past the BBSs, not too quickly, the Mamas will call to you and probably come out in the street to pursuade you to partake. They usually have a smattering of key English words, so negotiatians can take place. Just ask how much, and point to the girl you fancy. It should be 150 rmb in that area for 1 shot. That'll be in their grotty nearby rooms, so if you don't want to risk the bugbite, you can always take the girl to your own place. This should cost the same price if you live reasonably close, but you'll need to give the girl her taxi fare home.
If you want to establish beforehand any specific things you expect from the girl other than basic Jiggy Jiggy, a bit of sign language with the Mama may be needed. Confirm everything beforehand to avoid disapointment.
The Mamas in that area are pretty honest, I've found, as they like repeat customers.

OldAsiaHand

02-03-08, 06:30

I have been to a few BBS over the years. I just walk right in and enquire about prices and services if I am certain it is a FS place. I am a little more cautious if I am not sure if FS is available. On the other hand, I have mongered with guys that are shy to talk about the services for some reason. They kind of hang around out front and pop their head through the door or walk by slowly as Scribe has described waiting to be invited inside. Then, they beat around the bush asking vague questions.

It is much better to make things clear about what you want and expect to pay for it in this environment, especially if you are a lao wai and visiting for the first time. This avoids misunderstandings later.

Many times, the BBS will try to charge you more as a lao wai. Just pleasantly refuse and walk away from this BBS. If you bargain, the service often reflects this. You may encounter BBS that are completly not laowai friendly. Just keep walking. Finally, you will find some BBS girls in shops that do not want to do a laowai while others in the same shop will. Do not pick these girls even if the mama insists the girl to do so.

Just my POV.

OAH

I'm a bit of a wimp and haven't got the nerve to just boldly walk into a BBS and choose a gal. However, if you walk past the BBSs, not too quickly, the Mamas will call to you and probably come out in the street to pursuade you to partake. They usually have a smattering of key English words, so negotiatians can take place. Just ask how much, and point to the girl you fancy. It should be 150 rmb in that area for 1 shot. That'll be in their grotty nearby rooms, so if you don't want to risk the bugbite, you can always take the girl to your own place. This should cost the same price if you live reasonably close, but you'll need to give the girl her taxi fare home.
If you want to establish beforehand any specific things you expect from the girl other than basic Jiggy Jiggy, a bit of sign language with the Mama may be needed. Confirm everything beforehand to avoid disapointment.
The Mamas in that area are pretty honest, I've found, as they like repeat customers.

Hrny Azn

02-04-08, 07:18

SE Asia Joe

02-04-08, 09:27

Hey Joe,

I'm new to the forum, just recently moved to HK and looking to go to shenzhen for some golfing at mission hill. Is that where you were coming from? As this sounds like a great spot to go to after 18 holes if it is close enough by taxi. also if anyone can recommend any other sauna places in that nearby area would be greatly appreciated.
I sometimes go to Mission Hills (not that particular time though) and yes, you could easily go to that sauna on the way back to Shenzhen. On the other hand, if you're gonna be in mission hills, which is in dongguan - there are tons of other places you could go to. Fact is, just about every hotel in dongguan has either a Sauna or a KTV or both - and just about ALL of them would have the services we all go for! The more lavish the hotel, the higher the price and quality of gals - with most of them at around the RMB 5-600 level for sauna and 2-5-8 for the KTV's. Very few in dongguan have the balls to charge any higher because of competition. Cheaper facilities at approx RMB3-500 for sauna and 1-3-7 for KTV are to be found at the 2 or 3 star hotels and some independent places. BBS's runs anywehre from RMB 120-200 for full service - but some BSD's have been spoiling the market and some Mommies now dare to suggest 250!
I'm not that familiar with Shenzhen places but frok the times I've mongered there, I am under the impression that charges are a bit higher and the hassles a bit more
Have fun and keep safe
SE Asia Joe

SE Asia Joe

02-04-08, 09:30

Hey Joe,

I'm new to the forum, ... also if anyone can recommend any other sauna places in that nearby area would be greatly appreciated.

And BTW - before anybody else jumps on you, really you should RTFFF (Read The Fine Forum First) and then you can ask for specifics. Deal?
Se Asia Joe

Weelock

02-05-08, 11:38

Hi,

There are a group of mms at a building beside Century Plaza Hotel.

The following are some contacts if you need any -

Chen Jie - 13632967578
Ah Xiang - 13760400477
Chan Jie - 13691684652

I was wondering are these numbers from business card that were passed to
you? Have you personally used these momes?

Apac Man

02-05-08, 13:37

Yes, excellent stuff! Let me expand on SZ a little.

Shenzhen is a city made up of 6 districts being: Luohu, Futian, Nanshan, Yantian, Longgang and Bo'an. The first 4 districts are part of the Special Economic Zone (SEZ), where many foreigners come and go and is pretty safe for wandering around and exploring. CPE,

I've been in SZ last couple of days and I've been surprised at the number of policemen everywhere in Luohu. It seems that there are a minimum of 2 at every intersection and around Seibu there were 2 at each corners. One thing that caught my eyes was the writing in English on the back of their long winter coats. It says "Bao'an" (or am I making a mistake?). Then I remembered this post from you that I have saved on my PC. Does this mean all theses LE are brought in from another district? Just wondering.

TIA,

APAC Man

FL Wingman

02-05-08, 18:54

I am a long time reader and contributer, I travel china 4 to 6 times a year and can not figure out the KTV pricing convention used here 1-3-5 what do it mean?

I have had a few KTV girls just can't put that together.

Thanks

Dar425

02-05-08, 18:56

I think the "BAO AN" you are seeing on their jackets does not mean they are from Bao'An district.

"BaoAn" (mandarin pinyin: bao3 an1) is the Mandarin word for "public security (person)". They are basically hired security guards is my understanding (similar to official police).

The official word for a policeman in Mandarin would be "jing3 cha2".

Dar

CPE,

I've been in SZ last couple of days and I've been surprised at the number of policemen everywhere in Luohu. It seems that there are a minimum of 2 at every intersection and around Seibu there were 2 at each corners. One thing that caught my eyes was the writing in English on the back of their long winter coats. It says "Bao'an" (or am I making a mistake?). Then I remembered this post from you that I have saved on my PC. Does this mean all theses LE are brought in from another district? Just wondering.

TIA,

APAC Man

Apac Man

02-06-08, 00:33

SE Asia Joe

02-06-08, 05:20

Bounce Around

02-10-08, 09:44

Hello my fellow rats! :)

Had a delay in my trip plans, Should be in SZ on Feb 22nd, for a few days. When you get the chance, please advise on post CNY scene. I got some messages from friends in SZ saying they decided not to go north or to hometowns this year. Wondering if this is the case for the WGs too.

I should be staying in Futian, possibly at the Grandview (if i can get a good rate), but other hotel suggestions welcome.

Juno Audio

02-10-08, 19:23

Queen Spa was mentioned a while back, someone said there was no "hanky panky" in the massage rooms. Well, I got news for you, this is from a reliable source... To get a HJ, you've got to be a VIP member, and a VIP member for a while before they offer you the service. And of course you need to give a big tip to the provider. I think it is done in the Spa rooms where the cheapest spa service is around 500RMB.

As far as my source knows, there is no full service.

Old Mean Dog

02-11-08, 03:21

OldAsiaHand

02-11-08, 03:27

Any BSD that pays 500 RMB for a HJ in China should be shot. I was just at a place in Guangzhou yesterday where HJ is included with massage (if you can call it a massage) for 40 RMB. I was bitching that they recently raised the price from 35 RMB.

Just my POV.

OAH

So, what idiot is gonna shell out all that cash and time just to get a HJ?

-CPE

Bnlee2

02-11-08, 04:30

Any BSD that pays 500 RMB for a HJ in China should be shot. I was just at a place in Guangzhou yesterday where HJ is included with massage (if you can call it a massage) for 40 RMB. I was bitching that they recently raised the price from 35 RMB.

Just my POV.

OAH

Here is my take on it.

For the WG that con you into giving her 500rmb for a HJ, I need to give her a medal for her marketing abilities. I totally agree that you have to be an idiot to give a girl 500rmb for a friggin handjob.

just my POV

Moody

02-11-08, 09:24

Old Mean Dog

02-11-08, 13:03

I don't think the guy is saying it's 500 for the HJ. He's saying if you get the 500RMB spa service, you can get a HJ. Then an appropriate tip is involved. IIRC, I think the tip guide for the 500RMB service at Queen suggests 200RMB. I don't think you can tip more than that at Queen. If you do, the system rejects it or something. I think it might happen. From what I hear, the girls from the high end treatments make most of their money from regular clients. If a girl is comfortable enough around you, she may do it (even though against policy) just so you'll be happy and more likely to call her next time you're there.

BTW, to get a VIP membership is something like 7000RMB a year. I think most of the people who have it get it comped when they get the 50K or the 100K prepaid card, typically company paid. Basically, what I'm saying is that the guys who are VIP members over there don't give a shit about 500RMB+tip because they're already invested and it's no additional coin outta their pockets.

Not sure if Juno Audio was trying to prove a point or what, but in my book, I am gonna have to say the Queen Spa does not offer Happy Endings to us common folk.

Funny though, if I want a really good sauna and massage, I go to the high-end places because getting jacked off is the last thing on my mind.

If I am wanting to have my monkey spanked or dip my wick, I look to the low end joints, where the massage and sauna services are the least important thing for me.

-CPE

Juno Audio

02-11-08, 14:28

Moody

02-11-08, 18:46

I also have a couple opinions about Queen. It's a good spa overall, but I would say that it's not what it used to be. A couple years ago, the massage girls there were all hot. I think back then the managers picked them by how good looking they were and trained them. Nowadays, not so much. Also, service there isn't what it used to be. The quality of massage, and other services, has fallen a couple notches I would say.

I get the feeling that since the place is written about so much all over the internet, they have more than enough clients and are more or less resting on their name. I was there last Saturday and it was a madhouse. I couldn't even find two seats. Service was terrible too, think had to wait almost an hour to get my iced coffee, and that was only after complaining about it. There's no way I would ever go back there on a Saturday again. I think lately there are just too many Hong Kongese using the place as a hotel substitute on the weekends.

I think in Futian, there are better options available. The 2 year old Oriental Palm in Shuiwei Cun is still pretty good. I saw a new place open a couple months ago called Shui Du International, on Jintian Lu in Huanggang Cun. From the outside it looks pretty good. I'll try it out sometime in the near future and drop a report.

Old Mean Dog

02-12-08, 05:01

Jee wiz, I thought I was clear on what I wrote... And CPExpat, I'm not trying to prove anything. Thanks Moody for the interpretation. You are right on the money.

A while back someone was wondering if Queen Spa offers anything else beside a massage, and the final consensus was "no". And last weekend I happened to talk to a VIP member of Queen Spa, and discovered the truth. That is all.

Sorry dude if I came across like that, just seemed a little odd as if you were trying to prove a point to someone. Then we now know, getting a HJ at the Queen is possible, if you want to spend lots of cash and face time there to get it.

I would still tell the Average Joe that the Queen Spa does not offer Special Services.

Respects,
CPE

Fast Eddie 48

02-12-08, 07:29

I also have a couple opinions about Queen. It's a good spa overall, but I would say that it's not what it used to be. A couple years ago, the massage girls there were all hot. I think back then the managers picked them by how good looking they were and trained them. Nowadays, not so much. Also, service there isn't what it used to be. The quality of massage, and other services, has fallen a couple notches I would say.

I get the feeling that since the place is written about so much all over the internet, they have more than enough clients and are more or less resting on their name. I was there last Saturday and it was a madhouse. I couldn't even find two seats. Service was terrible too, think had to wait almost an hour to get my iced coffee, and that was only after complaining about it. There's no way I would ever go back there on a Saturday again. I think lately there are just too many Hong Kongese using the place as a hotel substitute on the weekends.Moody,

I try Shui du international a few week ago with my Hk buddy ,it look nice on the outside and is a large place with good facility but the manager is a dumb ass try to find out is FS is on the menu ask if they have vip room he only speak mandarin no cantonese or english ,massage is high for Shenzhen standard 98 rmb 90 min and 40 rmb for foot massage girl is average there are many sauna in shenzhen that is better .

Fast eddie 48

Bounce Around

02-12-08, 16:06

I personally like to go to Spas, FS or not; its a good way to relax after a days work... no trolling the alleys or calling up pimps. Some spas i have been to:

1. http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=671066#post671066

2. Golden coast sauna (755 26902888). Got a VIP room for the steam and shower only 168RMB(different from the shower/massage option 398RMB) took a nice long steam and then got a foot massage 68 and a back massage 68. This is a very nice place, I reported earlier on two different saunas in Nanshan, this one didn't offer a full service option right off the bat, but at the end of the massages (which were painfull but great) she motioned for a HJ (I think either by her or by someone else) any case I didn't partake. I have to stress this was a very classy place, expensive yes, but worth it. Would take clients there. Maybe I will explore more, there is another sauna I noticed behind the 'City Inn' in the row of resturaunts, behind the theatre.

3. http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=649508#post649508

4. There is a Full service Sauna/Spa in the Jinhui Jasper hotel (4/5 star hotel) in Nanshan at the Bai Shi Zu station. But, prices are cheaper at above 3.

I'd probably go to #1, #2 and #3 again this trip, time and wallet permitting.

Cloud Palms

02-12-08, 23:33

I am confirming Moodys analysis of Queens Spa. I was there 3 weeks ago on a Saturday and it was jam packed with HKers. I would say if youre planning on going on a Saturday, better be an early sleeper because you wont get a sleeping capsule from 11pm - 6am, youll have to scour the area for a seat in a public area to sleep in. To me, the massage girls are still hot but their service has gone down a couple of notches. I tipped them less than when I went the year before.

Queens Spa is still good for its location, a few blocks away from hotpot restaurants and the Xiang Xi cun BBS - that is if you dont mind going from a 5 star sauna into a dirty dark and cold hole in the wall to take care of business.

I also have a couple opinions about Queen. It's a good spa overall, but I would say that it's not what it used to be. A couple years ago, the massage girls there were all hot. I think back then the managers picked them by how good looking they were and trained them. Nowadays, not so much. Also, service there isn't what it used to be. The quality of massage, and other services, has fallen a couple notches I would say.

I get the feeling that since the place is written about so much all over the internet, they have more than enough clients and are more or less resting on their name. I was there last Saturday and it was a madhouse. I couldn't even find two seats. Service was terrible too, think had to wait almost an hour to get my iced coffee, and that was only after complaining about it. There's no way I would ever go back there on a Saturday again. I think lately there are just too many Hong Kongese using the place as a hotel substitute on the weekends.

I think in Futian, there are better options available. The 2 year old Oriental Palm in Shuiwei Cun is still pretty good. I saw a new place open a couple months ago called Shui Du International, on Jintian Lu in Huanggang Cun. From the outside it looks pretty good. I'll try it out sometime in the near future and drop a report.

Juno Audio

02-13-08, 17:22

2. Golden coast sauna (755 26902888). Got a VIP room for the steam and shower only 168RMB(different from the shower/massage option 398RMB) took a nice long steam and then got a foot massage 68 and a back massage 68. This is a very nice place, I reported earlier on two different saunas in Nanshan, this one didn't offer a full service option right off the bat, but at the end of the massages (which were painfull but great) she motioned for a HJ (I think either by her or by someone else) any case I didn't partake. I have to stress this was a very classy place, expensive yes, but worth it. Would take clients there. Maybe I will explore more, there is another sauna I noticed behind the 'City Inn' in the row of resturaunts, behind the theatre.

Bounce, I've been to this sauna personally, they offer HJ in regular rooms or VIP rooms, but FS is only in VIP rooms. They girls told me they don't offer FS to foreigners, they said non of the girls want to service them, so the managers don't bother to make the offer. And if you are Chinese, you have to ask for it and assure them you are not LE before they would say anything, after the first time, you need to call the manager ahead of time the next time you go for FS. Damage is 600 tips for the girl for FS, VIP room is extra charge, the 398RMB you posted.

JackTheLad2

02-13-08, 20:10

Manfest

02-13-08, 22:54

I'm headed for Shenzhen in 2 weeks time and will be there for a week. The hotel I have been booked into is the Metro Park and I will be with a few other guys. I have read all the info on Shenzhen and we are all looking forward to pastures new. There is no record anywhere of the Metro Park, Dongmen Road in the forum but I assume it will be GF. It may well be there will be something on offer in the hotel?
Being with others we will not be intimidated from going into the alleys behind Seibu Dept store. Will this be our best bet?
From the map I think it will be an easy walk from our hotel to the Panglin Hotel unless someone tell me otherwise.

Any last tips or places to go would be appreciated.

I will post our results!

If you search "Metropark" without a space, then you'll see that it was mentioned many times. It is GF, but they do post someone by the elevators at around 10PM that asks for girl's ID sometimes, but not always. Also, there is a sauna for take out on the top floor. It used to be a situation where prices were negotiated, but haven't been in over a year.

The Hu Bei Xin Cun is very close by, but the Seibu is also an easy walk away. Have a great time. Hopefully all the LE stops and things return to normal before you get there.

Fast Eddie 48

02-14-08, 07:36

I'm headed for Shenzhen in 2 weeks time and will be there for a week. The hotel I have been booked into is the Metro Park and I will be with a few other guys. I have read all the info on Shenzhen and we are all looking forward to pastures new. There is no record anywhere of the Metro Park, Dongmen Road in the forum but I assume it will be GF. It may well be there will be something on offer in the hotel?

Being with others we will not be intimidated from going into the alleys behind Seibu Dept store. Will this be our best bet?

From the map I think it will be an easy walk from our hotel to the Panglin Hotel unless someone tell me otherwise.

Any last tips or places to go would be appreciated.

I will post our results!Jackthlad,

I was in Shenzhen a few week ago there is a new hotel just open HAI FU hotel is stone away from Seibu bbs just around the corner from Panglin ,I got a discount for a standard room for 248 rmb and I was the first one to stay in that room nice but small have mini bar ,inroom safe and 32 inch LCD tv ,This is a 4 star business decor hotel with fast broadband internet .

HAIFU hotel
2103 Shennan rd east corner of Dongmen rd
brown 8 fl buliding
manager david pang 13534253022 he speak ok english
www.szhaifuhotel.com

Fast eddie 48

China Maverick

02-15-08, 08:08

Hello Brothers,

I have been browsing this site for 3 months or so and find it very interesting and thanks to you all that I am much more informed although I have been in and out of China for several years now.

Some of my local friends told me that there is a good MP in Nanshan at the 8th industry road (Gong Ye Ba Lu); has any one tried that out? Is it safe for a foreigner to go alone? (I would like to avoid taking friends there?

Thanks

CM

Acer V

02-18-08, 05:43

Can you be more specific about location? Gong Ye Ba Lu 工业八路 is actually quite a long road. More than likely there are a few MPs on this road.

Chances are that it is safe for you to go alone. If you have rudimentary chinese language skills, you'll be OK. They will know what you came for and will more than likely try to leave you with a smile on your face and a bit lighter in the pocket. Go for it.

Hello Brothers,

I have been browsing this site for 3 months or so and find it very interesting and thanks to you all that I am much more informed although I have been in and out of China for several years now.

Some of my local friends told me that there is a good MP in Nanshan at the 8th industry road (Gong Ye Ba Lu); has any one tried that out? Is it safe for a foreigner to go alone? (I would like to avoid taking friends there?

Thanks

CM

China Maverick

02-19-08, 05:17

I checked this out. Yes Gong Ye bal Lu is pretty long however could locate this place thru some friends. Will post the details later.

The choices are in the range of 300, 400 and 500 (tip for the girl) and 98 for the room. Rooms are passable. Service was similar to what one could find in Donguan. Chose a cutie from Hunan in the 400 category. She was open to BBJ and the DATY was great (was pretty wet down there).

Pretty safe for the laowais I guess but one needs to speak a little chinese

CM

Acer V

02-20-08, 05:15

China Mav,
Glad you found the place to your satisfaction. Your report makes me want to check it out. Would be eager to know a more specific address or directions.

I checked this out. Yes Gong Ye bal Lu is pretty long however could locate this place thru some friends. Will post the details later.

The choices are in the range of 300, 400 and 500 (tip for the girl) and 98 for the room. Rooms are passable. Service was similar to what one could find in Donguan. Chose a cutie from Hunan in the 400 category. She was open to BBJ and the DATY was great (was pretty wet down there).

Pretty safe for the laowais I guess but one needs to speak a little chinese

CM

China Maverick

02-20-08, 07:43

Its called Xin Gan Jue and on the gong ye ba lu. Sorry, dont have the number. If you are coming from Shekou then take a left on the manjiafu signal; to enter the gong ye ba lu and drive straight for say a 100 meters or so (not too sure) on this location will be on your left side. Taxi drivers would not miss it!

Enjoy.

PS: Any brothers know of any freebie places? or even the married but available ones would be fine

Jasonmn

02-20-08, 13:05

Hey for those in Shenzhen, any update on the current status of the crackdowns? Are the Seibu BBS back in operation?

Cheers

Russuk112

02-20-08, 23:12

I'm headed for Shenzhen in 2 weeks time and will be there for a week. The hotel I have been booked into is the Metro Park and I will be with a few other guys. I have read all the info on Shenzhen and we are all looking forward to pastures new. There is no record anywhere of the Metro Park, Dongmen Road in the forum but I assume it will be GF. It may well be there will be something on offer in the hotel?

Being with others we will not be intimidated from going into the alleys behind Seibu Dept store. Will this be our best bet?

From the map I think it will be an easy walk from our hotel to the Panglin Hotel unless someone tell me otherwise.

Any last tips or places to go would be appreciated.

I will post our results!Hi,

The Metropark offer full services on floor eleven, its quite nice to sit in the bar and watch all the hoties coming out of the massage place and going in to the private rooms, had some fun times there and the girls were stunning!

Damn nice rooms as well ! Sadly didnt get the chance to see if they do overnighters but Im guessing they do as most of the rooms are a small apartment.

Hope this helps

Enjoy

Russ

Mian Bao Shi Fu

02-21-08, 05:32

Hi,

I need to stay tonight at Shenzhen/Metropark.

Is there some update of the LE thing or has somebody some new places.

Thank you and have a good time.

MBSF

Old Mean Dog

02-21-08, 06:05

Hi,

The Metropark offer full services on floor eleven, its quite nice to sit in the bar and watch all the hoties coming out of the massage place and going in to the private rooms, had some fun times there and the girls were stunning!

Damn nice rooms as well ! Sadly didnt get the chance to see if they do overnighters but Im guessing they do as most of the rooms are a small apartment.

Hope this helps

Enjoy

Russ

Nice, what's the damage for the fun? I assume it is FS Massage?

-CPE

Bounce Around

02-21-08, 11:18

Wizzy2007

02-21-08, 21:49

Hello all,

I am finishing up 3 days in BKK and will be in my fav city tomorrow evening. I may not be in the mood for much that night, possibly just a massage or somethin' simple.

Staying at the seaview in Nanshan/OCT

For all the mongering in BKK i missed Shenzhen/China; maybe because it was a new place, it started to grown on me on my last day, and instead of extending a stay here and into Pattaya i decided to spend the weekend in Shenzhen and be fresh and ready for 'work' on Monday.

Hit me up if someone wants to get together for a bear or some crawfish!

Hi buddy!

Mongering in Thailand esp BKK and Pattaya is really boring these days!

AFter more than 5 years of grazing in that place I had a taste of SZ two months and found the place to be really fantastic!

Thailand maybe a fun place overall but for mongering SZ is really unbeaten. If you are lucky that all crackdown is gonne hope you will have a really unforgotten fishing! In any case thanks for super mongers like OWL and many others for their valuable pointers.

Thanks again

Wizzy!

Psss OWL where are you now? Is it a result of the personal attacks you suffered at the hands of fellow mongers that you have discreetly vanished?

I badly miss your posts!

Mian Bao Shi Fu

02-22-08, 05:25

Hello to all the mongers!

Yesterday I stayed in the Metropark Hotel and went to the 11th floor to the bar. I hoped to get some impression of the Hotties mentioned in one of the reports before but I saw no female except the waitresses and other staff during my 1.5 hour stay. Then I tried to get a massage and told one of the staff at the elvator desk what. They send me to the foot massage where 2 massage ladies (also regular employees) asked me for foot or body massage. I told them again what I want and then they told me that they can arrange it but only for 600RMB for short term. WOW. I refused and decided to go to the Seibu BBS. I arrived at about 22.00 but it was dead. Only some Mamas and Johns were on the streets. I decided to try it with one of the Mamas and asked her for a tall girl. It was a desaster. No one was more than 5 on a scale up to 10 and I told her to stop calling other girls after 30 minutes. On my way back to the Taxi I saw a girl talking to one Mami which was really stunning. I went to them and asked about the price. We agreed 200RMB and I took her back to my hotel where we had a great time. She gave me a nice GF feeling and I tipped her afterwards with 50RMB. OK, I had a good time with her but after all I must say that Seibu is not the thing I expected after all the reports before the LE cracked down the area. Maybe I was to early and all the girls are not back from home. I will try it one more time next month and hope that it will be a better experience.

Happy mongering to all.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Donsat

02-22-08, 10:38

I am staying near Window of World, can someone send me information were to find action close to IC hotel. No Luck so far.

OldAsiaHand

02-22-08, 12:33

I drove by the SW area off Caitian Road on my way home last night. There is a huge construction site where that home decoration center used to be and it has dampened the action a bit. I only saw a couple of SW roaming around.

I picked one up and agreed to 150 RMB for BBBJCIM. Although the girls tend to be a bit older (25+) in that area, I am never disappointed with the oral service they provide.

After a pop in the car, I hit the road to GZ with a big smile on my face.

OAH

Bnlee2

02-22-08, 19:19

Hello to all the mongers!

OK, I had a good time with her but after all I must say that Seibu is not the thing I expected after all the reports before the LE cracked down the area. Maybe I was to early and all the girls are not back from home. I will try it one more time next month and hope that it will be a better experience.

Happy mongering to all.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
I was there last month with another ISG monger and it was deader than a door nail. very few mommies and gals hanging around. we even sat for about an hour outside at one of the coffee shop hoping to see any hotties coming to work, but no luck. not like what it was before. I think that LE has been keeping a close watch on the area.

Mas 147

02-23-08, 01:38

Strange, I was at Seibu last weekend. There was plenty of activity.
If all fails go to the pink apartments, and to the apartments behind the new century hotel. Perhaps its because I am chinese looking. There is plenty to be had, but I agree with some that the quality is variable

MegaPoint

02-23-08, 10:06

Just a quick report on the sauna/massage joint on the 3F of the Fuzon Hotel in Shekou. Long list of massage options, but I doubt many people wind up with a massage...the manager (speaks almost no English, poking at his PDA showing prices) was quite up front about FS, but dickered with me a lot over price. Started at a ridiculous 600 for 2 hrs, and got him down to 350. The girl was quite pretty, about 20, nice rack and only a tiny bit heavy...I've gotten used to such petite chicks mongering around here, I guess! Usual routine, long shower, suck, DATY, her on top in several variations, then mish to finish with her making quite a bit of perhaps genuine noise. Must me quite new to this game. No massage from this girl, BTW. Afterwards we watched the synchronized diving competition from Beijing on the flat screen TV for about 40 mins, before I was fed up and wanted some dinner. All in all, I wouldn't go back even if were staying at the hotel (which is nice and very reasonably price for Shekou, if a bit basic, and there's a bit of noise from the street at night, due to the KTV opposite.) unless really really desperate, or stuck there in very bad weather. I think it might be advantageous to get the girls to come to your room, but didn't ask if that was allowed there.

Got one hilarious card from a tout outside the Honlux hotel at Sea World:

"Virgin Pink Russian Lady BOY Service"

What the heck is his touting?? The pics are all of girlz. Anyone who wants to try ("24h Serve To The doorstep") can find Jack at 13715310922...

Russuk112

02-23-08, 14:44

Nice, what's the damage for the fun? I assume it is FS Massage?

-CPEHi,

I paid about 400 rmb for full service, which was certainly full service!

Probably too much but a white guy who speaks no chinese I guess it was my fault!

Wadman

02-24-08, 14:40

Actually, 400 rmb is not that much for a 3/4 star hotel in downtown Luohu. Did that include the room fee? How long do you get, and how money shots?

Hi,

I paid about 400 rmb for full service, which was certainly full service!

Probably too much but a white guy who speaks no chinese I guess it was my fault!

Bounce Around

02-24-08, 16:44

I am staying near Window of World, can someone send me information were to find action close to IC hotel. No Luck so far.There is a lot of infromation in the forum for the general area, though finding BBSes would be a bit of work, i have read that they are in the area, but don't know specifically.

If you want a full service sauna near IC, take the metro from IC to the very next stop. Exit the stop on the same side as the IC and there is a big Health Center 'Spa' complex there on the corner. FS is 600 for the girl and you have to pay 200 or so for the VIP room. I have an earlier report on the place, so if you need more info just RTFF.

If you do use the place or find some other source the forum would apprecite a Full Report.

There will probably be touts handing out biz cards at or near the IC entrance. They will start at 800 or 600, but you can haggle down to 300-400, but the girls are generally part timers and service is very mechanical and to the point.

Russuk112

02-25-08, 02:33

Actually, 400 rmb is not that much for a 3/4 star hotel in downtown Luohu. Did that include the room fee? How long do you get, and how money shots?Hi,

Yes that included the room fee, about an hour 2 shots...perhaps I can negotiate after all!

Russ

Bob Builder

02-29-08, 09:44

Hi,

Yes that included the room fee, about an hour 2 shots...perhaps I can negotiate after all!

Russ

RMB380 - RMB400 is pretty standard for FS at a Sauna in Shenzhen, at least that is what some local buddies of mine who regularly go to these types of establishments say. You can't always compare the price with picking up a gal at a BBS for 150 and I bet the place was a lot cleaner.

Seibu should be in full swing after being closed for a whole month leading up to Chinese New Year. They were "offically" allowed to open on the first day of the Year of the Rat.

Hartsleeve

03-02-08, 02:36

Fellow Mongers,

Just arrived in SZ for a long-term assignment. Due to my living situation, I am only able to explore the hobby during the daytime. Friday at 2:00PM, tried the Sheibu area. Wandered the narrow alleyways and saw perhaps a dozen WGs, a few quite nice. From reading various reports here, I guess this area is not as active as in the past. Or perhaps it gets busier later in the day?

Going to try some sauna/spa action next week. If anyone has any advise on the best places for daytime action now, that would be great. Or if there are any of you fellows interested in exploring together, PM me. I will report any and all results from these daytime expeditions.

HS

Eggsalad

03-02-08, 18:59

Old Mean Dog

03-03-08, 02:19

Hello Gentlemen

I am also in SZ for another day with a buddy. Would like to take him to a sauna for some fun. Can someone suggest one? Or perhaps a KTV. Would prefer a sauna since we've already done the KTV thing in CP.

Egg

Here is my rule of thumb when dealing with massage joints in Shenzhen:

- If it is one of those huge, expansive sauna/resort looking places, then forget about trying to get special service. Maybe some do, but chances are they don't.

- If I want special service, I go to the smaller/older places (i.e. say under 80 rmb). Normally, the ones I have run into in Shenzhen are the jack-off joints. If you are in need of more than it is gonna be hit or miss.

Someone just reported about a FS one at the Metropark Hotel for 400, but that is going to require you to read further than the first page.

-CPE

Member #3246

03-03-08, 14:04

Here are my experiences.

1. In Shenzhen, there are several types of message parlor.

a. Sauna (桑拿). Most of them I went to provide special sevices.

b. Leisure (休闲城）(xiu xian cheng). They vary. Some do, some don't.

c. Foot message (足按). Most of them don't. For those do, most of them only provide hand release.

My experience is

a. You better ask someone know the city.

b. You can ask the front desk how much the tip is (In Chinese，小费多少？xiao fei duo shao). If they tell you, no tip is required. Most likely this place doesn't provide special services. If they tell you, room fee 100+400 tips or something like that, you are in the right place.

c. If you have difficult time understand them, you can take a tour of the place. If you see the ladies wear uniforms, you will get message. If the ladies wear sexy clothes, you will get laid.

Don't be afraid to say no. You can always back out. You can aslo ask them to send you more girls if you don't like the ones they present.

Seibu

I was there last Friday. A hundred or so girls. Some of them were very nice. Got one for the normal 200RMB. look 9 attitude 9 skill 8. Good deal. This place is back to normal. But I was there late though, around midnight. Lots of toads in the area too. Got a business card boasting college girls, fight attendents, models, russians, and virgins. 600~800 except for virgins (about 2500 for the night).

There are areas in Shenzhen like Seibu but they are not as foreigner friendly as Seibu. Many bars for non-professionals too.

Here is my rule of thumb when dealing with massage joints in Shenzhen:

- If it is one of those huge, expansive sauna/resort looking places, then forget about trying to get special service. Maybe some do, but chances are they don't.

- If I want special service, I go to the smaller/older places (i.e. say under 80 rmb). Normally, the ones I have run into in Shenzhen are the jack-off joints. If you are in need of more than it is gonna be hit or miss.

Someone just reported about a FS one at the Metropark Hotel for 400, but that is going to require you to read further than the first page.

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OldAsiaHand

03-04-08, 10:05

I never understand why many mongers are afraid to ask directly what services are available. Why beat around the bush, look for telltale signs, etc.?

I just walk in and ask about services and prices. Believe me. You will not be the first to ask in this way and will not offend anybody. There are legit places and non-legit places. The only way to know for sure is to be straightforward. Well OK, there are some basic groundrules. For example, if you walk by a BBS where both men and women are getting a shampoo and dry from both boys and girls, you can almost always figure it is a legit place. If you walk into a massage joint with doctors in white coats and all kinds of traditional Chinese medicine services available, you can figure it is legit. Otherwise, just ask what is available.

Seibu: Since when is the normal price 200 RMB? I thought it was 150 RMB. I've even overheard mommies offer 130 RMB to local guys walking by.

Just my POV.

OAH

b. You can ask the front desk how much the tip is (In Chinese，小费多少？xiao fei duo shao). If they tell you, no tip is required. Most likely this place doesn't provide special services. If they tell you, room fee 100+400 tips or something like that, you are in the right place.

Seibu

Got one for the normal 200RMB.
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CharlieH

03-04-08, 13:31

Hi, newbie here, please forgive my ignorance.
I was wondering if somebody can tell me where "Seibu" is? Is this a department store and where can I find "the acton" and how much $$$ should I expect to pay? Thanks.

Fast Eddie 48

03-04-08, 17:37

I never understand why many mongers are afraid to ask directly what services are available. Why beat around the bush, look for telltale signs, etc?

I just walk in and ask about services and prices. Believe me. You will not be the first to ask in this way and will not offend anybody. There are legit places and non-legit places. The only way to know for sure is to be straightforward. Well OK, there are some basic groundrules. For example, if you walk by a BBS where both men and women are getting a shampoo and dry from both boys and girls, you can almost always figure it is a legit place. If you walk into a massage joint with doctors in white coats and all kinds of traditional Chinese medicine services available, you can figure it is legit. Otherwise, just ask what is available.

Seibu: Since when is the normal price 200 RMB? I thought it was 150 RMB. I've even overheard mommies offer 130 RMB to local guys walking by.

Just my POV.

OAHOAH,

I think most newbie don't know what to ask for or afraid to ask if the host in the sauna is female, for experience monger like you and me is no bit deal I don't ask the host I ask the manager if vip room is avalible that will tell if full service is avalible or not and don't be afraid to bargin most sauna will discount if business is slow most will offer dicount coupon even for new customers.

Fast Eddie 48

JackTheLad2

03-04-08, 18:42

I visited the well reported area of Seibu tonight about 10.30pm. It is only a short 10 minute walk from the Metropark hotel where I am staying for the week. I was armed with the map that was posted on this forum a couple of months ago - thanks to whoever drew it - it was accurate and easy to follow. As someone has already said, it is daunting to go down the alleys first time but with a deep breath I did it. No problems although they are quite dark, narrow and a bit intimidating. Plenty of girls about but I was only approached once by a papasan and I could not make him out. I speak no Chinese at all. To be honest most of the girls looked very young and I would have thought some were under 18. Someone will no doubt correct me. Anyway I hung around for a while but decided to return to my hotel. I had hardly left the area and I was approached by a young girl asking if I wanted a massage. Cut a long story short, I gave her the hotel's card with my room number on it and she promised to send someone I would like. We agreed HK$200. I was hardly back at the hotel when 3 turned up at the door - all perfectly dooable. However my colleagues in the hotel to whom I offerd the 2 girls to, turned them down and I sent 2 home with their "taxi" fares.
I chose "Suey" (or something like that), 21 years of age. I checked the price before any action - it had gone to HK$400. I told her no way and after a couple of heated telephone conversations with the girl who spoke to me in the street, it was down to $300. Still no way and I started to put on her boots which she had taken already off. She saw I was serious and the price was agreed at $200.
She spoke no English and would not allow kissing or DATY and very little fingering. Funnily enough the actual sex (cowboy & mish) was not bad but I would not repeat. She made all the usual noises but there was no doubt she was in the mood. Looks -6, performance 7.Would I repeat with her? No.

My overal impression was that the Seibu certainly has lots of girls available but its not for me.

Incidentally the previous night I was taken to the Shenzhen Kailiu Hotel which has a massive massage/health place in it. It is the plushest, biggest place I have ever been in. I'm sure there were extras on tap but my lack of Chinese and their lack of English made it difficult. If anyone wants a relaxing time this is the place. I was there for over 3 hours and that was not enough time. The body massage lasts for 1.5 hours and the feet massage for .5 hour. Cost is in the region of 300RMB

OldAsiaHand

03-05-08, 04:19

CharlieH:

I should tell you to RTFF, but as a Senior Member with many contributions to the forum on Eastern Europe and Russia, I will oblige to save you time even though directions have been posted numerous times in the past.

Yes, Seibu is a department store used as a landmark reference to the area. The BBS are behind it. The easiest way to get to the action is to find the Panglin Hotel (formerly Hilton). Cross the main drag and you will see a bunch of outdoor restaurants directly in front of you. Walk down this road, outdoor dining on your left. Turn left at the first lane. You will see metal posts blocking vehicle access. The alleys with the girls will be on your right.

You should not pay more than 150 ST on site and 150-200 ST if you take the girl back to your hotel. LT depends on the time of day, the later the cheaper, but should never pay more than 400-500 RMB.

Happy Hunting!

OAH

Hi, newbie here, please forgive my ignorance.
I was wondering if somebody can tell me where "Seibu" is? Is this a department store and where can I find "the acton" and how much $$$ should I expect to pay? Thanks.

OldAsiaHand

03-05-08, 04:36

My overal impression was that the Seibu certainly has lots of girls available but its not for me.

Jack,

Seibu can be intimidating for the first time. Sometimes, those of us that patronize the BBS scene on a regular basis just take it for granted. On the other hand, I can imagine looking down the dark, dingy alleys can be a bit frightening. I am not sure that I would walk down similar alleys in cities that I was not familiar with. Lack of language skills make it a bit more difficut to manage. It is mainly there to serve the HK mongers due to its proximity to the train station.

It depends on what you are looking for. IMHO, Seibu is only good for a quick, cheap release. In my experience, more than half of the girls provide below average service, and less than 10% put any extra effort in at all. If you are looking for anything close to GFE, you will not find it there.

For non-Chinese speakers, I would recommend the bar street in Shekou. It is more expensive and the girls are a bit older, but many can speak some basic English. Unfortunately, China is much different than Thailand or Philippines where many WG can speak English.

Just my POV.

OAH

OldAsiaHand

03-08-08, 07:55

Doberpit

03-08-08, 12:37

I was in Shenzhen during the evenings of 2/27-2/29. Last time I was there, in December, I met up with Wadman for the first time and had a grand time. Wadman was nice enough to take me to several of the hot spots, including the infamous pink apartments. I was once again going to meet with Wadman during my last night in SZ but sadly plans fell through.

I stayed at the Sheraton (NOT the Four Points Sheraton, but the regular Sheraton next to the convention center). For anybody who stays at this hotel, some words of advice: A hotel card with the address is not enough to guarantee that a cab driver will take you to the right hotel. You must constantly badger him about where he's going and specifically tell him not to go to the Four Points Sheraton and tell him that there is more than one Sheraton in Shenzhen. Every single night that I stayed there, I was taken first to the Four Points and then to the regular Sheraton after the cab driver got instructions from the Four Points bellboy to the right Sheraton. Since my Mandarin is absolutely atrocious (just trying to learn at the moment), I didn't know how to tell the guy to go to the Sheraton, so I showed him the hotel card; alas, that was not enough.

That out of the way, it is definitely true that things seem to be getting tighter at Seibu. Every night that I went there, between 10 PM. 2 AM, the place was dead and there were policemen walking around the area. It sucked horribly, to say the least.

Last time I went there, I was able to find mamas in front of Hotel Panglin and about a block or two across the street (outside the Seibu BBS area), but not this time. Two of the nights, there was a police motorcycle parked right in front of the Panglin (but no cop next to it, strangely) with the blue police light on. The scene was absolutely dead, dead, dead. One of the three nights, several mamas approached me whispering "xiaojie, xiaojie" but I ignored them because I didn't think any of the girls next to them were anything to write home about. Only to find myself empty-handed as I walked around the area to find something better, and by the time I got back to where the mamas were, a cop had come and they were nowhere to be found.

Moral of the story: When the raids are on in the Seibu area, a bird in hand is worth two DOZEN in the bush. I should've just taken what I could've given how dead the scene was at the time.

Moral #2: Mongering is infinitely better with a local buddy who can navigate the random raids that seem to be increasing in frequency these days. If you are lucky enough to make the acquaintance of a trusted ISG poster, you will find no better way to spend your leisure time, I can assure you. It sure as hell beats going it alone and ending up with nothign to show for it but a frustrating tour of the seedy part of the city.

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Doberpit

03-08-08, 12:58

On my final night of three in Shenzhen--all of which resulted in striking out at Seibu due to police raids--I was so frustrated that I pulled out my Blackberry and via a brutally slow Internet connection, browsed these forums and found your post about Metropark. With nothing to lose, I walked from Seibu to Metropark in search of its sauna on the 11th floor.

I finally got there and sure enough, floor 11 had the sauna you mentioned. I walked in and in my broken Mandarin, asked for the massage room. I was asked what kind of massage I wanted and I had no clue what to say or how to say it, so I pointed to my body and massaged myself, indicating I wanted a body massage (and no doubt looking like a total dork). She laughed and escorted me to a set of doors past four or five rooms on that floor. In there, another girl greeted me and asked me if I wanted a body massage or some other kind of massage (foot massage? I couldn't quite make out what she said.). I responded I wanted a body massage but I also wanted to see the girls. She nodded knowingly and put me in a room right next to and outside a shower room, then started negotiating price. She said that the basic massage was 100 RMB, but that if I wanted "beautiful girl" with special massage (she made a circle with one hand and "focked" her hand with a finger from the other hand to make sure I understood), it was 500. I wasn't too in the move to bargain, so I told her that I'd pay 400 for a full hour and that was the final price, and if she didn't agree, I'd walk out. She told me to wait, picked up the phone in the room, and called someone and spoke a few sentences, then hung up and confirmed 400 for the hour was oK.

She then left and a few minutes later, she brought in four girls who I'd rate 5, 6, 6, 7. Nobody was really pretty, but the 7 was passable and had a nice, tight, little body, so I chose her. All left but her and then I told her that it was 400 for the FULL hour, and she nodded in affirmation. So we stripped, then she took me to the shower where she washed me (pretty mechanical, nothing erotic or anything), and then we dried ourselves and went back to the little room where the action began. She gave me a passable BBBJ, then put the hat on and climbed on top. She was much better at FS than at blowing, and I had a great first shot about 15 minutes later. We then rested for a bit, but after a while, she got off the massage table and started to dress. I looked at her confused, and reminded her that we'd agreed on a full hour. She said she could stay, but there would be no more shots. I was simply not in the mood to argue, so I got dressed myself and paid her 300. She complained and complained, but I told her firmly that I really should be paying her 200 since we'd agreed to 400 for an hour, and then I walked out.

So-so experience. I may repeat if I strike out at Seibu again, but otherwise, I probably won't.

Hi,

I paid about 400 rmb for full service, which was certainly full service!

Probably too much but a white guy who speaks no chinese I guess it was my fault!

Flyhere

03-08-08, 15:02

Finally made it over to SZ, staying in Futian across the zhu zi lin metro station. Have looked through the old posts but could not find a foot massage around here within walking distance. Would appreciate any recommendations around here, or a number I can call for a girl to come to the hotel (grand mercure). There's a spa in the hotel but have not called them up.

Thanks,

Fly

Weelock

03-09-08, 07:24

I drove by the area yesterday. All of the BBS on the street to the North of the WalMart are shut and vacant. There are "For Rent" signs on the doors and windows. I reckon that another area in Shenzhen has bitten the dust.

OAHI was there in early Dec and late early Jan 2008. I would guest it's might be because of a new police station with cameras that the area is dead. The police station is located near WalMart on the same street. It might have been there before but I don't recall seeing it.

If you go in the alley behind the closed BBS, there are very pushy mamasans that have girls in the apartments above the closed BBS.

Fast Eddie 48

03-09-08, 08:02

I drove by the area yesterday. All of the BBS on the street to the North of the WalMart are shut and vacant. There are "For Rent" signs on the doors and windows. I reckon that another area in Shenzhen has bitten the dust.

OAHOAH,

All the bbs at futain walmart area have been closed for almost 2 month already we can say RIP for this area ,last yr Sha Tsui and Jusco now this ,I hope they don't do the same for Sebiu bbs also .

Fast Eddie 48

MongerManiac

03-09-08, 15:31

I have just returned from Shenzhen (6th March) where I stayed at the New Times Hotel on Jaibin Road (Yuan558 per night excl. Breakfast). Many thanks to ‘Loso69’ for the directions to Seibu BBS, I found the place very easily, and I’m a first-timer there.

I went for a walk about 8pm, and went along the matrix of alleys. There were too many girls there to count, but I would guess 40 up. Mamasan where hassling me to take them, although not all were willing to go with a white westerner. I did have a big choice though and negotiated Yuan150 back to my hotel. Most were offering to go to their rooms above the BBS but I was adamant I was doing it at the hotel.

Took a young (20s) very willing participant. She showered and let me wash her. Had a great session, but no fingering of the pussy or asshole. She loved the DATY and got VERY wet. Concluded with mish and doggy. Good GFE, just one pop, but good value at Yuan150.

I will definitely return there on my next visit to Shenzhen.

Wadman

03-10-08, 09:54

SE Asia Joe

03-10-08, 10:31

On my final night of three in Shenzhen--all of which resulted in striking out at Seibu due to police raids--I was so frustrated .......so I told her that I'd pay 400 for a full hour and that was the final price, and if she didn't agree, I'd walk out. ........... confirmed 400 for the hour was oK.

I looked at her confused, and reminded her that we'd agreed on a full hour. She said she could stay, but there would be no more shots. I was simply not in the mood to argue, so I got dressed myself and paid her 300. She complained and complained, but I told her firmly that I really should be paying her 200 since we'd agreed to 400 for an hour, and then I walked out.
.
OK - I really do feel for you/sympathyze that
- you were all frustrated with all your previous experience in SZ this time
- Do not speak the language or have someone interpret for you to make sure in the first place that 400 was an OK price
- in your Western way of thinking, that when the opposing party does not fullfill her part of the bargain, it is acceptable/you are fully entitled to also not fulfill your part of the bargain.

BUT - not only did you expose yourself to VERY possible retribution as per Wadman, more importantly, to me you ended up acting like the "Big Swinging Dick" that ends up screwing things up for the rest of us foreign mongers. You made a deal, you screwed her, she even agreed to stay your lousy full hour - and instead you shortchanged her out of a lousy RMB 100?? For what?? To prove a point?... That you are the boss... That you ain't no damn fool???

Come on man - and this is with full prior apologies if I cause offense - but to me you acted like a real ****. I write this as I want others here to see that sometimes we do act like Big Swinging Dicks/real cunts without realizing it.

Please think before you act on your emotions - we're dealing with mongering - not big business or even relations with normal every day people.

SE Asia Joe

Wadman

03-10-08, 13:00

...
BUT - not only did you expose yourself to VERY possible retribution as per Wadman, more importantly, to me you ended up acting like the "Big Swinging Dick" that ends up screwing things up for the rest of us foreign mongers. You made a deal, you screwed her, she even agreed to stay your lousy full hour - and instead you shortchanged her out of a lousy RMB 100?? For what?? To prove a point?... That you are the boss... That you ain't no damn fool???

...
SE Asia Joe

SEA Joe,

As has been mentioned before in this thread, 400 rmb for 1 hour/multiple shots in an establishment like the Metropark hotel (downtown Luohu) is actually not that much money. Heck, Xia Sha village "saunas" charge the same rate, and they are located way out in Futian, in a seedy village, rooms are only so-so.

When Doberpit writes "She said she could stay, but there would be no more shots", I think he means that the girl would stay, but there would be no more sex. What's the point of her staying then, really?

If Doberpit could speak Mandarin, things might have been different. The girls are counting on the fact that he cannot complain to management anyway. Same shit happened to me when I first came to China and could only say "ni hao".

Old Mean Dog

03-10-08, 16:04

Did a walk through of the Concubine Village this evening and all is alive and well. Of course, CV is only about half the size of the Seibu area, but we did see about 8-10 shops with some girls in each.

Did a walk through of the Seibu area after and little brother sprung up on one honey, so decided to sample her.

Name: Ye Ling
Home: Yunnan
Age: 19
Looks: Solid 8, very nice rack
Skills: Solid 8 as well, BBBJ in the shower and on the bed, nut suck, allowed me to finger her, Asian Cowgirl and Doggie Style. She seemed to really enjoy white meat and she was the one who approached me.
Damage: 150 plus tip for some excellent service.
Cons: Why the hell is their room always on the top floor of a bldg with no elevator?? As soon as I walked out of the bldg, about a dozen girls ran past me so, I assumed the police had come and I just ducked out one of the back gates.

-CPE

Doberpit

03-10-08, 18:12

Frankly, I don't care if you think I behaved like whatever you called me. More power to you, but it won't change the way I behave. I pay for what I get. It's not to prove anything. It's because it's what's fair. I negotiated multiple shots for a full hour. I didn't get it. Therefore, I paid for what I got and left (actually, I paid for more than I got). Simple as that. Now go ahead and call me names if you wish. Not only will my take on things remain unchanged, but then it will be you behaving the way you accused me of behaving.

Doberpit

03-10-08, 18:15

Not sure what happend either, but anyway, for sure I'll try to give you more prior notice next time. This trip was planned a bit out of the blue and I didn't have my final schedule until the day before I arrived. I look forward to hanging out again shortly. I believe I'll be there again in a few weeks. Maybe I can convince you to go to CP with me then so you can show me the ropes. It looks like I just missed our good buddy AG and the rest of the crew this last time as well.

Steven Jones

03-10-08, 21:24

I loved it in SZ, it has been one of the best places to monger in China, beautiful women, and cheap too! So much on offer, the only place that has come close was Rivera in Barcelona, much more attractive women there, bu expensive too.

Old Mean Dog

03-11-08, 06:08

Moral #2: Mongering is infinitely better with a local buddy who can navigate the random raids that seem to be increasing in frequency these days. If you are lucky enough to make the acquaintance of a trusted ISG poster, you will find no better way to spend your leisure time, I can assure you. It sure as hell beats going it alone and ending up with nothign to show for it but a frustrating tour of the seedy part of the city.

I am in SZ 3 days a week, PM me next time you are in town and I can show you around.

-CPE

CharlieH

03-11-08, 08:33

Woody Shoes

03-11-08, 12:49

Steven Jones

03-11-08, 13:33

Being my first time in SZ and without local pals showing me the ropes, it was not easy finding SPs. Miraculusly I managed to find the Seibu area and tried to look for signs of action. Perhaps I was naive, I expected it to be like the red light district in Amsterdam with neon signs and everythings. Anyhow I was wandering around aimlessly on the street, saw plenty of saunas but didn't know if they offer extra services. And I was too embarrased to ask point blank. Frustrated, I got in a cab and asked the driver for "girls". I was not sure what he said exactly, but I thought I heard the words "Hawaii" and "sauna". So I thanked him and tried to find this Hawaii place. Lo and behold, there was actually a sauna called Hawaii. It was a big place. I walked in, still had no clue if they offered extras and was still too embarrased to just ask. It was my first time in a Chinese sauna, everything was so new to me,I felt like an idiot. Long story short, I eneded up getting a real massage, my first Chinese massage. The cost was 98rmb plus tips. I did not get laid. Went back to the hotel and turned in early.

p.s I did see smaller saunas in dark, narrow alleys. Perhaps that's where the action was. But they seemed a little seedy and I was concerned about my safety so I didn't go in.

Sometimes you just have to go with the flow. I went to a "legit" Sauna/massage palour in SZ, and I got a hand job from the girl giving me a massage. She was doing such a great job on the massage that i got really turned on, she turned me over, and I had a stiffy, which she seemed to like. She toyed with me at first, massaging around my groin, between my thighs, she could see that I was getting turned on, and then she started to play with my balls, and finally onto a hand job. Which was amazing! As she was doign that I got her tits out, and played with her pussy, which very few chinese girls let you do. She was so good, that the next night iI took her back to my hotel room for a night long session, and that only cost me 900rmb for the night, cum as many times as I wanted.

JackTheLad2

03-11-08, 17:46

Incidentally the previous night I was taken to the Shenzhen Kailiu Hotel which has a massive massage/health place in it. It is the plushest, biggest place I have ever been in. I'm sure there were extras on tap but my lack of Chinese and their lack of English made it difficult. If anyone wants a relaxing time this is the place. I was there for over 3 hours and that was not enough time. The body massage lasts for 1.5 hours and the feet massage for .5 hour. Cost is in the region of 300RMB

This hotel is 2 minutes from Siebu on which I reported an earlier visit. There have been several reports on Siebu since mine but none has taken up the point of the age group of the girls I raised.
Anyway I paid another 2 visits to the massage facilities of the Kailiu Hotel, such was the value for money of the actual treatment. The girls performing the massage are in the 8/9 category. My tottie for the night was "Helena" who spoke a little English and this did help. Surprise, surprise, no happy endings during the massage but she, within a few minutes of starting what was an erotic, sensual 2 hour oil massage, asked if I wanted her to come to my hotel (Metropark) after her shift - others I was with got the same offer so they are available for carry out service. The costs for a night are in the region of 500RMB. These girls don't get paid if they don't actually do massages and I was told by my masseure that business is not too clever at present. Some of the girls go home after an 8 hour shift with nothing.

There are also plenty SW's in the area - I lost count of the number of approaches in the street and some were in the "not bad" category.

Vigggen

03-11-08, 20:35

This hotel is 2 minutes from Siebu on which I reported an earlier visit. There have been several reports on Siebu since mine but none has taken up the point of the age group of the girls I raised.

Anyway I paid another 2 visits to the massage facilities of the Kailiu Hotel, such was the value for money of the actual treatment. The girls performing the massage are in the 8/9 category. My tottie for the night was "Helena" who spoke a little English and this did help. Surprise, surprise, no happy endings during the massage but she, within a few minutes of starting what was an erotic, sensual 2 hour oil massage, asked if I wanted her to come to my hotel (Metropark) after her shift - others I was with got the same offer so they are available for carry out service. The costs for a night are in the region of 500RMB. These girls don't get paid if they don't actually do massages and I was told by my masseure that business is not too clever at present. Some of the girls go home after an 8 hour shift with nothing.

There are also plenty SW's in the area - I lost count of the number of approaches in the street and some were in the "not bad" category.I am a newbie to SZ, and can not for the life of me locate the Kailiu Hotel - can you help me out.

Thanks

SE Asia Joe

03-12-08, 04:28

JackTheLad2

03-12-08, 10:52

I am a newbie to SZ, and can not for the life of me locate the Kailiu Hotel - can you help me out.

Thanks

Its at 2027 East Jiabin Road . Less than a minute walk from Siebu. Imposing entrance on the main road. Take a lift to the 1st floor - there will be girls in the foyer to direct you. Have fun and let me know what you think.

Woody Shoes

03-12-08, 16:31

As my 1st Chinese massage experience was with my buddy CPE (who said afterwards that we got ripped off) I decided to walk the streets and go alone.

At the Seibu area across the street facing the iron gates I found a place where body massage was 58. As the complete noob that I am with my pathetic knowledge of Chinese I went in. With shaky legs. After a shower I first was brought to a footmassage chair. Telling them I want body massage I finnaly arrived at a room.

The girl was cute (nr 85) we tried to talked some anyway halfway during the massage she started yawning and saying I was so big (body) and that I had to pay her good tip. Since this was a normal massage and she did see that my woody was ready nothing happend. After a few times saying to pay her good (I first thought paying her for something else LOL) the massage was over. Gave the lockerroom boys a tip and there she was again. Making the finger movement. As I only had 100 I said I pay first. But then I paid I didn't see her standing anywhere. As I wasnt sure what to do I just put something in the metal tip box on the counter.

Questions? Did I did good? Was she rude asking for money during the massage because I was so big? Did she wanted tip without her boss knowing?

She was cute tho but as a noob not sure what to think of this.

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Apac Man

03-12-08, 16:44

I am a newbie to SZ, and can not for the life of me locate the Kailiu Hotel - can you help me out.Thanks

You maybe new to SZ but I hope you are not new to computer, Internet, and Google search! A simple Google search on "Kaili Hotel Shenzhen" returns 37,000 results and at least the top 10 results have the address and one even has the map and picture of the hotel front.

APAC Man

Bnlee2

03-12-08, 17:22

Damn.. could you imagine what he could get for $5K USD at a BBS. He did not use his alloted four hours... he was done in 2hrs. Shit for $5K USD, he could buy quite a few favors in Seibu. He would need a truck to haul back his load back to the hotel.

I just hope that the Emperor Club do not open a branch in Shenzhen. They will really mess up the market. Guys like Mr. Spitzer that throws that type of dollars should be ban from Asia. We do not need a two hour guy that pays that type of $$. It will really spoil the market. For $5K USD, i do not want two hour service, the mei mei better to staying and servicing me 24/7 for the next month or so. For that money, she better have a better imagination than Walt Disney.

Netter

03-12-08, 17:55

Hi there, here's my first Shenzhen experience. Hope I won't scolded by the pros. I know I overpaid, but I was clearly recognizable as the stupid newbie Laowai, and whatever I pay will not make a difference to what you can negotiate.

I was somewhat undecided if I wanted to play or not, but walking up Jianshe Lu north from Shenzhen station (on the right-hand-side) I kept getting offers from mamasans for "sexy massage" and "young miss". I refused the first five or six, but then came one whose approach was not to pushy, more pleasing, more joking, and so I decided to have a look at the girls she had to offer. She took me into one of the buildings, up to the top flour, and presented slightly chubby girl, probably around 20 to me. Not really a beauty, but very cute in her way. I asked for the price and agreed to 400, without trying to negotiate. The girl took me into a room with a large bed, asked me to get undressed, took me to the room on the next to the bedroom to wash myself, while I washed she got undressed, then she also washed herself and then we started to make out. She is a little hubby, but has a young and firm body, with a nice pair of breasts and perky nipples to play with.

She seemed to be quite inexperienced, it reminded me of my first girl friend ;)
She tried to put the condom on me, but as she had some difficulties I did it myself. She was not reluctant at all, seemed to enjoy it, but remained rather passive. Makes you want to go back and teach her slowly how much more you can do with each others bodies... ;)

Steven Jones

03-12-08, 21:58

Old Mean Dog

03-13-08, 04:58

Hi there, here's my first Shenzhen experience. Hope I won't scolded by the pros. I know I overpaid, but I was clearly recognizable as the stupid newbie Laowai, and whatever I pay will not make a difference to what you can negotiate.

That's a wonderful fecking attitude you got there Mr. BSD. Thanks for advertising this to everyone! It makes it easier for me to figure out who to add to my "Never Monger with this Dumb Ass" list.

Had you done the deed then stumbled upon ISG, then there is a legit excuse, but we can all see you have been a member of this forum for quite some time. Rather, you just disregarded what other brothers have reported and did what you wanted to do and pay what you wanted to pay...this makes you a Big Swinging Dick, thanks for coming on here and bragging about it as well.

You paid 400 rmb to pop a common, fat, farm girl and you only got average service. Hahahaha

Call 'em as I see 'em

-CPE

SE Asia Joe

03-13-08, 05:09

That's a wonderful fecking attitude you got there Mr. BSD. Thanks for advertising this to everyone! It makes it easier for me to figure out who to add to my "Never Monger with this Dumb Ass" list.

Had you done the deed then stumbled upon ISG, then there is a legit excuse, but we can all see you have been a member of this forum for quite some time. Rather, you just disregarded what other brothers have reported and did what you wanted to do and pay what you wanted to pay...this makes you a Big Swinging Dick, thanks for coming on here and bragging about it as well.

You paid 400 rmb to pop a common, fat, farm girl and you only got average service. Hahahaha

Call 'em as I see 'em

-CPE
Awwwww.... come on CP... this guy dont come across as being a BSD as much as just a plain old newbie. He wasn't flashing his money around, acting like an asshole/gift to the mongering word, or I am furrener so you gotta cater to me - he was just a wary newbie glad to be able to pop in this stange new playland.
Come on CP - you and I both were newbies once and remain newbies in other lcoations. So cut the newbies of the world some slack - OK boss?
SE Asia Joe

Old Mean Dog

03-13-08, 05:30

Awwwww.... come on CP... this guy dont come across as being a BSD as much as just a plain old newbie. He wasn't flashing his money around, acting like an asshole/gift to the mongering word, or I am furrener so you gotta cater to me - he was just a wary newbie glad to be able to pop in this stange new playland.
Come on CP - you and I both were newbies once and remain newbies in other lcoations. So cut the newbies of the world some slack - OK boss?
SE Asia Joe

Haha....I've seen some of your posts! He is not such a newbie, look at his old posts, he has experience mongering in Japan.

Joe, if everyone who actually reads these reports and knows the going rate is 150-200 rmb, yet still pays 400, does this not make him a BSD?

I was a newbie once, before I found ISG on the internet.

Yeah, in my books he is a BSD.

-CPE

Daved35

03-13-08, 07:30

Hi Gents,

Back here again in the hotel Kai li after taking advice on the better Sauna then the SunShine or Furong (Lotus) Hotels of the same complex and I have to say its way better then the others. The Talent is 8, 9s in most cases.

Yesterday I went in at 2pm after a business meeting and got an 8 for BBBJ and FS. Exceptional dedication to her work and also got her number for take out.

Went walkies through Seibu and the SW and BBS seems to be in motion and fairly active.

This is my fourth day here and as I have about 30 phone numbers from gals who I did in my last trip here (spent 3 months here), I do have 3 freebies and 2 of which are bareback angels (Before you shout I do some additional spending to make sure they are clean. Straight to the corner local clinic and checkout).

Local Flash:

From my experience, I know variety is the spice of life but since I got these freebies who do absoluetely everything xx, including introduce 'freinds' when a multi tasking night comes up, they are better and safer then the risk of catching something that the missus might also get when you head home.

Talking to one of the freebies who works in a local jewelery shop, her friend works in the local hospital and STDs are just in epidemic numbers in SZ. Be Careful Guys, the numbers are really off the charts and BBBJs are doing the damage big time. Even using the Jolly Condom aint helping as thier jungles bushes are hiding the little bastards anyhow (I got all my freebies as shaven angels)

Another point: I got a lovely girl, tasty 8, from my pimp last time I was here, local girl from Zhuhai. She was sooooo tatsy and eager (actually taught her how to BBBJ and CIM PROPER) I paid for her to stay with me at my big suite at the hotel while I was there, some nights she brought up a friend for double action.

The story Goes. I pounded her in every way imaginable (bareback) and she was paid about 3k per week plus all living costs (bloody great when you think that in HK a night with a top Japan girl from the 141 website would cost 5k). I had her naked from morning till night and RWA at a drop of a hat, probelm occured when I noticed some irratic phone calls during the day and just before I left found her ID card, lets just say guys she was not her age, told me she was 19 and had the bod, but was a bit younger. I texted her since I've come back and sent her funds via western Union while away but I have to wait a bit longer before I'm able to go back plugging again. Could have been real nasty if she was into blackmail. But OMG she is top hottie.

Point being, if staying a while here latch onto a short term hottie (18+) and do a deal on weekly payment, I know it aint variety but it is sure is pleasant having the 4am BJ. Wink wink

Regards all and BE SAFE!

Bill Lee

03-13-08, 13:55

You get one BSD giving out the big buck and another ISG member comes along and expect the same old price. The girl now knows that she can get 400RMB, will test out the ISG member for the higher price. Who needs that?

It's not about negotiation. It's about the set price. A price that the service providers have given us. Along comes BSDs, who fucks it up for all of us.

Do any of you dumb fucks walk into Wal-Mart, pay more than the listed price and then come out to brag about it?

This not only applies to the foreigners but also the Hong Kong guys and even down to the local guys.

That's why when CNY came around in CP, Bill didn't go to the shops anymore and pay 100RMB more but instead call the gals directly and renegotiated the old price back, leaving the mommy's cut out.

POV
Bill

OldAsiaHand

03-13-08, 15:48

Doperpit:

IMHO, you should have just paid the 400 and chalked it up to bad luck. Based on Wadman's post, I am not sure that you have the language skills to negotiate a one hour/multiple pop deal. Are you sure you were understood? Either way, it can be dangerous to short change people in the industry in China. I am almost certain they would not see it your way. Especially, not being a regular customer. The 100 RMB is just a good insurance investment to avoid possible trouble.

Just my POV.

OAH

Frankly, I don't care if you think I behaved like whatever you called me. More power to you, but it won't change the way I behave. I pay for what I get. It's not to prove anything. It's because it's what's fair. I negotiated multiple shots for a full hour. I didn't get it. Therefore, I paid for what I got and left (actually, I paid for more than I got). Simple as that. Now go ahead and call me names if you wish. Not only will my take on things remain unchanged, but then it will be you behaving the way you accused me of behaving.

OldAsiaHand

03-13-08, 16:00

Netter,

I knew a guy that used to cried poor and only paid 100 RMB, but the going rate is 150-200 RMB in the apartments across from the train station. You need to pay 50RMB more if you do not select one of the girls in the apartment you go to and ask the mama to call in more girls from other apartments. Before I knew better (RTFF), I admit that I once paid 250 RMB, negotiating down from 300 RMB, but this was for hotel delivery. JK666 and I used to use one mama name Icy that spoke English. She hated me because I always negotiated with her too hard, but never overpaid after reading ISG.

OAH

Wadman

03-13-08, 17:53

After a few times saying to pay her good (I first thought paying her for something else LOL) the massage was over. Gave the lockerroom boys a tip and there she was again. Making the finger movement. As I only had 100 I said I pay first. But then I paid I didn't see her standing anywhere. As I wasnt sure what to do I just put something in the metal tip box on the counter.

Questions? Did I did good? Was she rude asking for money during the massage because I was so big? Did she wanted tip without her boss knowing?

Most legit massage places in Luohu require tipping. At first, I was annoyed with this, but now I actually like it that way. If the girl does a crappy massage, or finds an excuse to go to the washroom, talk on her cell, etc. she knows what will happen to her tip.

At the end of the massage, the girl will present you with a receipt to sign. It also has a space to WRITE in how much you want to tip. Girls that ask you for a cash tip are ripping you off.

How much to tip?

At a small joint: 10 rmb per hour of massage, whether it be foot massage or body massage. Note: usually, the actual duration of a "2 hour" body massage is 90 minutes, a "1 hour" foot massage may only be 50 minutes. I talked to some girls at a small place, the massage place only pays them 4 rmb per hour of massage so they really do need the tip to survive. As usual, they always try to get the foreigners/laowai's to tip them more because...well, apparently they often do!

I usually give the lockerroom boys 5 rmb (which is 5 rmb more than the cheap Hongkies give them).

At the big, posh places like Queen's you better tip more than 10 rmb per hour, or else you will get some seriously ugly looks from the girl.

But then I paid I didn't see her standing anywhere. As I wasnt sure what to do I just put something in the metal tip box on the counter.

She probably left because she didn't want to get caught. BTW, the tips in the metal box goes to the cashier or the house, not the massage girl.

A few months back I ended up in a small place in Luohu that offered Korean style massage ;-) ;-). The massage girl was gorgeous, but during the massage, she wanted to meet me outside afterwards for a bite to eat, and so I could give her a tip. I smelled a rat and told her no (unfornately, the quality of the massage went downhill from there). After the massage, while paying at the counter, I found out the reason for her curious behaviour. There was a sign posted on the wall that said: not allowed to tip the masseuses! The tricks that these girls will think up to squeeze a tip out of you, I tell ya...

Edoman

03-13-08, 20:57

Manfest

03-13-08, 21:51

--cut--A few months back I ended up in a small place in Luohu that offered Korean style massage ;-) ;-).

Hi Wadman,
What's the difference between Korean style and other styles? And, would you mind either posting or PMing where this was? Thanks, Cheers
M

Santa

03-14-08, 07:11

Hope I won't scolded by the pros. I know I overpaid, but I was clearly recognizable as the stupid newbie Laowai, and whatever I pay will not make a difference to what you can negotiate.

Anybody who knowingly overpays and then appears to be bragging about it, will be scolded.

I agree with CPexpat and Bill Lee. Big spenders who fuck up the market are not welcome!

Old Mean Dog

03-14-08, 08:42

Was she the tallish girl with white heels and grey dress?

Pretty face, slim and B cup tits with a little messed up teeth.

I think we did the same girl lol. She's got shoulder length hair and is about 5'7

Probably not, she was maybe 5'4", her teeth all straight and white and she had on a black top that pushed out her tits and exposed her belly, with a small miniskirt and stockings on.

I pulled her from a shop in the very back of the area. She was actually the only girl in the shop at the time.

-CPE

Superforce99

03-14-08, 08:45

I was just reading over the past few posts about "Big Swinging Dicks"...and I thought, "That almost sounds like a compliment more than an insult, and it definately should sound like an insult...".

So, I propose we change the BSD reference to something more appropriate, like IMF (Ignorant Motherfucker).

BSD actually needs background explanation, IMF needs none...

What do y'all think?

From a former IMF, now reformed...

J

Apac Man

03-14-08, 12:17

[snip] Yesterday I went in at 2pm after a business meeting and got an 8 for BBBJ and FS. Exceptional dedication to her work and also got her number for take out.

You actually got a BBBJ and FS at hotel Kai li sauna? I thought this was a legit place but you could arrange for an after work visit!

Regards,

APAC Man

Netter

03-14-08, 13:36

Anybody who knowingly overpays and then appears to be bragging about it, will be scolded.

I agree with CPexpat and Bill Lee. Big spenders who fuck up the market are not welcome!
I did not mean to brag, and I am even willing to apologize, if that conforts you. But saving a few rmb was just not a priority for me, on my last night in mainland China, and my only mongering experience during this trip.

Are you people on such low budgets, or are you just anally retentive?

PS.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_retentive, but you might not be able to access this page in China...

Santa

03-14-08, 14:38

I did not mean to brag, and I am even willing to apologize, if that conforts you. But saving a few rmb was just not a priority for me, on my last night in mainland China, and my only mongering experience during this trip.

Are you people on such low budgets, or are you just anally retentive?

.

No need to apologize, just don't overpay again, or I'll send EXpat looking for you, and his army boot will let you know what "anally retentive" feels like. :D

By the way, since you are new I had better warn you, those high rise apartments near the Shenzhen Station are dodgy. Be sure to leave your valuables and money in your hotel safe. I was robbed of my wallet in that area when I was a newbie.

Netter

03-14-08, 14:55

By the way, since you are new I had better warn you, those high rise apartments near the Shenzhen Station are dodgy. Be sure to leave your valuables and money in your hotel safe. I was robbed of my wallet in that area when I was a newbie.
Yep, that was something I was worried about, too. I had left my passport, valuables, and foreign currency at the hotel. But since I hadn't really decided in advance, if I wanted to go shopping or mongering, I still had more than 1000 rmb on me. When the girl asked me to leave my clothes with her and wash myself in another room, I was wondering, how much would be left when I come back... I was relieved to find that she didn't touch anything.

There was one thing I didn't understand, though. After my session the mamasan asked me to kiss the granny (besides the mamasan, there were two girls, one was sleeping when I arrived, but had to move because her room had the larger bed, and an older woman in the apartment), and typed a 100 into her mobile. Why would I want to pay 100 rmb to kiss the old lady? Does the old lady have some special kissing technique (blowjob?), or was that a way to ask for a tip? When she saw that I was only confused, but not interested, she offered a session with both girls (this was offered before, too, but I had declined). That sounded more interesting, but I decided against it, at least for the evening. And it doesn't look like I'll be returning to Shenzhen any time soon....

Old Mean Dog

03-14-08, 14:58

I did not mean to brag, and I am even willing to apologize, if that conforts you. But saving a few rmb was just not a priority for me, on my last night in mainland China, and my only mongering experience during this trip.

Are you people on such low budgets, or are you just anally retentive?

PS.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_retentive, but you might not be able to access this page in China...

Here's a bit of wisdom for you: If you wanna go to China (or anywhere in the world) and decide to pay twice the going rate for a shot, don't report it on the freakin' forum and not expect to catch hell for it.

Yeah, maybe some of us are on a pussy budget.

-CPE

JackTheLad2

03-14-08, 17:14

Hi Gents,

Yesterday I went in at 2pm after a business meeting and got an 8 for BBBJ and FS. Exceptional dedication to her work and also got her number for take out.

I used this place 3 times last week. See report 1910. It is amazing. Did you get FS etc in the VIP room where you get the massage? If so the girl the girl was surely taking a chance. Like APAC man I thought it was legit.
How much did you pay by the way.

Apac Man

03-14-08, 17:47

I had to pick up a few things in SZ and I had been postponing it but finally decided to do it and also stay overnight. What I was interested in was Kai Li and Metropark based on the recent posts.

First I tried to make a reservation at Kai Li and that was a no go! I believe they are in the middle of some renovations and not many rooms are available. Booking Metropark however was a breeze and I left HK in mid afternoon. My plan was to go to Kai Li first and if based on recent reports I could get full service, then I'll call it a night and the backup plan was to go to Metropark 11th floor.

Got to Kai Li around 6 and I was really tired and in not so good mood, I walked in from the right side entrance and all I saw was Gold Coast Club and not Kai Li! so I turned left and took the elevators there and pushed 2 and elevator went up, doors opened, and I was facing a brick wall!!!! I thought this can not be right! I must be at the wrong hotel since a few posts referred to this as Kai Liu. I pushed the 1, which by the way is G in Hong Kong, and walked out. Then I thought I should give the Gold Coast a try. I came back and the girls at the lobby greeted me and I told one that I wanted a massage. In a horrible English she started telling me that the one hour massage was 135 RMB and she just goes on and on and on and I finally got tired of listening to her and walked toward the elevators and she runs after me and pushes the 2 (there was only 1 and 2 on this one) and up there again I am greeted by a lady and a price list and an endless explanation about some 10% discount.

I told her I wanted one hour Chinese massage and she escorted me to some guy who escorted me to someone else and finally I got to the locker. The place was spotless and tidy. Then off to get on the PJ and the guy hands me a BCT (Ball & Cock Torture) paper underwear and I immediately knew there was no happy ending or FS here! Then up 2 floors and I am escorted to a nice clean massage room. Again on the back of my mind I am thinking that an 8-9 will walk in and we will make a date for when she gets off work! LOL! What a dreamer! Five minutes later walk a 5-at-best massage woman and I threw my hands up in the air and said to myself: Fuck this! I am just going to lay down and enjoy the massage. That part went well. She had strong hands and did a great massage and as soon as it was over, I headed down and skipping the "relaxation" and "Food & Fruit" area and had a quick shower and I was out of there. Total damage with TIPs: 155 RMB.

As I was getting the massage I came with plan C and that was to go to Seibu and get a girl for take out. I walked there from Kai Li and selection was most excellent but somehow I was not in the mood to take one to hotel at that early time. I decided to be a lazy bum and took a taxi back to hotel.

As I walked in, a girl standing near elevators handed me a paper with Massage prices and the location, 11/F. Went to my room and around and after half an hour I went up to the 11th floor! EMPTY! no one there! Then some guy shows up yelling things in Chinese and I tell him "Massage". He yells a little bit more and brings me to the hallway and to the right there is a glass door saying "Sauna". I walk in and no one is there. There is a big room with a few gym equipment, two small rooms with massage tables, and a bathroom. I stand there feeling like a dumb ass thinking why the hell am I believing all these glamorous posts? Then walks in this girl in sweatpants and jacket and high heels talking to me in Chinese. I pointed to the handout and said I wanted massage. She brings me to one of the rooms, grabs two towels, put one on the table, and tell me to lay down! WTF? I am fully clothed and she is going to give me a massage and I am gonna get lucky? I almost walked out but thought what the hell, this will make a good fish story anyway!

Five minutes through this pathetic massage she starts talking to me in Chinese and I lifted my head and looked at her and said: I have no flying fuck what you are talking about woman! She understood the word fuck, her face lights up and says: Fuck OK! beautiful massage fuck! And makes a fist with one hand and push the finger into it and repeats Good FUCK! Okay, we are getting somewhere! She calls someone and 15 minutes later this cute girl walks in, grabs my arm, and says: let's go massage fuck! I paid the first girl 65 and she leaves and I asked the new girl how much? and she says: One, zero, zero, zero! All I could picture at that moment was me in the SZ town square with a big sign on my neck saying BSD and CPE with his army boots kicking my ass. I started laughing hard and she looks at me strange. I grab my phone and I punch 2, zero, zero! She started going on and on and in between Chinese and English I make out Manager and 65 RMB and room fee. I shrugged and tried 300. She pouts and says okay and we head down to my room. In the room she tries that manager and 65 RMB again and I said NO! Then she asks if I want her friend to come and massage me after sex and I say no again. She finally gives up figuring I am an asshole and gets naked to go take a shower. Very cute girl indeed. She came back after shower and she looked clean and smelled good and of course she is not into kissing or BBBJ which was fine with me. I had my own condom and she was surprised and somewhat amazed and made a comment about them not bad smelly! I was really tired and it took a while before I could finish, but she was a good sport and took it well. No complain at all. After we were done she went for another shower and then came back and laid down next to me and we tried to have a conversation and all I could figure out was that she was from north and she liked SZ and she was 21. I asked her if I could take a picture of her and she said no which again was fine with me.

So here we are at 1:00 AM. Kai Li (Gold Coast Club) is a great nice clean place and prices are very reasonable but do not expect extra unless you speak Chinese and can arrange an outside meeting based on two reports. I wouldn't have it with my girl. She was nothing more than 4. The massage at Metropark 11/F is bad but the girl was cute and the sex was okay and I believe if you are not staying there, the full charge will be more than what I paid since you have to use a hotel room (unless people who reported before me did it on the green massage table).

Regards,

APAC Man

Edoman

03-14-08, 17:48

Hello,

I've heard many stories about men falling for hookers but funny I would have never thought I would too. At first I paid the first 3 nights for this girl who is only 2 yrs younger than me 24 but then she didn't charge me anymore LOL.

Now its been a whole month and she still doesn't charge, she even pays for my taxi and food sometimes. Although I am Chinese I do not know how to speak mandarin thus making communication very hard. Is this a common thing? I consider myself still green in the *****mongering world.

I find myself caught up in weird situation where I am acutally considering to take her back to Canada with me. Is this a mistake?

Santa

03-14-08, 19:44

All I could picture.......CPE with his army boots kicking my ass.

APAC Man

Yep, it's a good thing you negotiated that price down. We now have CPExpat walking the streets of Shenzhen, looking for BSDs so he can kick ass.

How bad is he? He looks like Homer Simpson wearing size 16 boots. If he kicks you with the deadly right boot your mongering days are over. Finished!

So, a warning to all. Pay the correct price or stay away from Guangdong.

Old Mean Dog

03-15-08, 06:43

I had to pick up a few things in SZ and I had been postponing it but finally decided to do it and also stay overnight. What I was interested in was Kai Li and Metropark based on the recent posts.

Regards,

APAC Man

That was one of the best SZ reports I have read in a long time, almost brought tears of joy to my eyes.

How long will you be in SZ?

-CPE

JackTheLad2

03-15-08, 12:48

So here we are at 1:00 AM. Kai Li (Gold Coast Club) is a great nice clean place and prices are very reasonable but do not expect extra unless you speak Chinese and can arrange an outside meeting based on two reports. I wouldn't have it with my girl. She was nothing more than 4. The massage at Metropark 11/F is bad but the girl was cute and the sex was okay and I believe if you are not staying there, the full charge will be more than what I paid since you have to use a hotel room (unless people who reported before me did it on the green massage table).

APAC Man

Can't beleive we are talking about the same place here as I used the Gold Coast Club (part of the Hotel) 3 times last week. I think the 1st mistake was to go straight to the massage floors. Once you have had a shower and changed into their PY gear (note - no paper underwear seen when I was there) you make your way to the main lounge, up one flight of steps, sit on one of their comfy airline pilot type seats complete with individual television. Any amount of fruit and soft drinks are brought to you - no charge. There is a hard sell to get ear treatment, toes cut etc but you can ignore that. I took the foot massage which was terrific and not expensive. Lasted 1 hour. The talent is there in abundance - eye them up and choose what one to do your massage. There are plenty 8/9 girls strolling about. I only learned afterwards that they were available to carry out but only after their 8hour shift. There is a problem with language - I don't speak a word of Chinese and very few of them speak English.

I stayed at the Metropark for a week. The 11th floor is really to be avoided. If you want extras to their massage they phone in someone to go to your room and you negotiate the price. I paid 200RMB. One night there was 15 of us in the bar - we drank it out of beer - and when the twitching hour arrived about midnight 15 girls appeared as if from nowhere to take care of the boys needs!

Its not all bad news.

Sammon

03-15-08, 15:36

Stuck

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hello,

I've heard many stories about men falling for hookers but funny I would have never thought I would too. At first I paid the first 3 nights for this girl who is only 2 yrs younger than me 24 but then she didn't charge me anymore LOL.

Now its been a whole month and she still doesn't charge, she even pays for my taxi and food sometimes. Although I am Chinese I do not know how to speak mandarin thus making communication very hard. Is this a common thing? I consider myself still green in the *****mongering world.

I find myself caught up in weird situation where I am acutally considering to take her back to Canada with me. Is this a mistake?

Reply,
To be honest with you lots of seasoned mongers have fallen in love with a knowingly working girl althought they may not admit it.

There are few things going for you.
1. Why would a young guy of 24 fall in love with a hooker?
2. You would have no problem finding dates and having sex with normal girls for free.
3. As to the girl paying for the taxi etc , it happens sometimes. I have had many girls who do that if they stay with me for a long time and kind of fallen in love with me. This is not a guaranteed love thing. A hooker will always think and act like a hooker.
4. Remember 99% of the girls want money and security in life.
5. Just because sex is good with a looker it is no reason to make long term plans. I have been there and done that.
6. My advice is do not make any committments till you know whether you want this situation.

Old Mean Dog

03-15-08, 16:09

Apac Man

03-15-08, 16:40

That was one of the best SZ reports I have read in a long time, almost brought tears of joy to my eyes.

How long will you be in SZ?

-CPE

CPE,

I am already back to HK. I assumed you will not be in SZ for the weekend so I did not call. Next time when I am back. I still owe you that a cup of coffee at Starbucks! :)

Regards,

APAC Man a.k.a. Wanderex

Apac Man

03-15-08, 16:55

Can't beleive we are talking about the same place here as I used the Gold Coast Club (part of the Hotel) 3 times last week. I think the 1st mistake was to go straight to the massage floors. Once you have had a shower and changed into their PY gear (note - no paper underwear seen when I was there) you make your way to the main lounge, up one flight of steps, sit on one of their comfy airline pilot type seats complete with individual television. Any amount of fruit and soft drinks are brought to you - no charge. There is a hard sell to get ear treatment, toes cut etc but you can ignore that. I took the foot massage which was terrific and not expensive. Lasted 1 hour. The talent is there in abundance - eye them up and choose what one to do your massage. There are plenty 8/9 girls strolling about. I only learned afterwards that they were available to carry out but only after their 8hour shift. There is a problem with language - I don't speak a word of Chinese and very few of them speak English.

Yup! My mistake was that I did not know what the SOP was and as I said I was tired and cranky! First the four girls in red gown in the lobby were going on and on about the price which I did not give a s**t about, the prices are standard and posted and not negotiable (I think!) so I really was not interested in that and when I got to the second floor (1st in European style), they handed me the price list and she was waiting for me to choose right there and then and the rest went down hill from there...

So as an advice to other people, a) This place is off the Kai Li hotel lobby but it is called gold coast club b) Just ignore the girls at the lobby and the one at the reception desk as you get off the elevator and tell them you will choose the service later and c) follow Jackthelad2's advice.

Have fun all,

APAC Man

ManonsanBoy

03-15-08, 21:15

Hello,

I find myself caught up in weird situation where I am acutally considering to take her back to Canada with me. Is this a mistake?

Happens all the time. The difference is to what degree you put yourself at risk. These are girls on average more attractive than average and they know how to make a man happy...........

Steven Jones

03-15-08, 21:20

I noticed yesterday that Mannings now stocks Okimoto "Big Boy" Condoms, they come in a black box with a the photo of a horses head on it. Hahaha as in "Hung like a horse", 59 rmb per box, I did not buy any as I still have over 100 German condoms I got from Tiger888 ;)

Has anyone tried them? Size significant from standard condoms sold in mainland China and how is the thickness?

-CPE

I always take my own condoms with me when I travel, though last time in China I did run low, and buy the Durex ones there which where tight. I wish I had seen these, not that I'm huge or anything, just that the local condoms are tiny.

Dagevin

03-15-08, 21:37

I am making my pass through in Shenzhen. First got a take-out at Seibu BBS in the afternoon, which was okay. Then, went to gold coast, which I can confirm is good value. The staff was super-friendly. Spent five hours at Gold Coast, so I figure I would go to good ole Seibu for some take home for the night. Well, as soon as I got there, a van full of police and "city management" officers descended on the area, so all the girls left. But the mamas were around. I saw a couple of mamas with babies in their arms as disguise--ingenious.

Then, I did something stupid. I started talking to a mama as the police continued to circle the area, including plain clothes officers. I could've gotten into major trouble, but the mama persuaded me that it was safe to sit on the steps behind the news stand at Seibu. We sat there like two old friends chatting away as she called girl after girl to walk pass us. It was an ingenious method, but I think it was really stupid on my part to do it because the plain clothes officers could've caught on to it and arrested me. But I have to say it was pretty thrilling to be checking out a line of girls in the midst of a crack-down. Finally, settled on a thin girl from Hubei, who unfortunately had a cold. So I let her go after two pops, paid a bit too much at 500. Again, it was stupid, but pretty thrilling also.

Brain Damaged

03-16-08, 04:39

I noticed yesterday that Mannings now stocks Okimoto "Big Boy" Condoms, they come in a black box with a the photo of a horses head on it. Hahaha as in "Hung like a horse", 59 rmb per box, I did not buy any as I still have over 100 German condoms I got from Tiger888 ;)

Has anyone tried them? Size significant from standard condoms sold in mainland China and how is the thickness?

-CPE

Hey CPE,

I had fun trying them out over the last three weeks between Malaysia and Thailand! Love them. Great feeling (.02mm thickness) and much more comfortable than other condoms. I'm not well endowed by any means, but that little bit of extra size makes them really nice. I've used Trojans in the past, switched to the Okamoto Platinums, and am now hooked on the Big Boy. I did find that a little bit of lube helps.

Cheers,
BD

OldAsiaHand

03-16-08, 08:49

and whatever I pay will not make a difference to what you can negotiate.

This is where you are wrong. I cannot tell you how many times I have heard, "You are a rich foreigner, you should pay more." Or, "I get 400 from laowais and will not accept less from you."

[/QUOTE]
I asked for the price and agreed to 400, without trying to negotiate.[/QUOTE]

This sounds like you couldn't be bothered paying too much. You even admit that you knew you were overpaying, but still did not negotiate.

Bill Lee expressed it correctly. Would you walk into a Wal-Mart and pay $5.99 for something marked at $2.99?

Just my POV.

OAH

ManonsanBoy

03-16-08, 09:01

Iluvchik

03-16-08, 09:02

We went to Seibu area last Friday. It seemed that the controls since February haven’t been lifted. All the BBS remained shut. We wandered around and found the girls in one of the small alleys. There were probably 70, 80 of them. We were a little bit hesitant since we saw quite heavy LE presence in this area. The alley that the girls were in had gate at both ends. You can easily be caught if the two gates were shut. Maybe the concern was unnecessary but we didn’t take the risk and walked out. A pimp on the road approached us. After a debate, we followed her to one apartment building. Part of the road to there was dark and shabby. I wouldn’t feel safe if I am alone. The room was in not so good condition. She called several batches of girls for us to choose. The choices were not so good either. But we were able to pick girls with 7/10 look. The service of my girl was 6/10. The feedback for the others was about the same. Next time we probably will stick to Sauna or get an incall to the hotel. Seibu just is not as good as it was anymore. Hopefully this will change after the two national meetings are over.

FYI, I posted a take-money-and-run scheme in ZhuHai forum. Don’t know whether the scheme exists in SZ but doesn’t hurt to know I guess.

Old Mean Dog

03-16-08, 14:09

Went to regular mamasan. Sha Tsui is a little low key right now but mamasan urged "double fly" as she could see I was undecided between 2.

Very good decision.

1 hour later, exhausted, I gave 150 each. GFE. Very playful. One deep throated me and almost made me come in the first 5 minutes.

I am pretty sure one came when I took her doggie style as her **** was farting all over the place and she was silent and she collapsed afterwards. After 3 condoms change, went bareback and came in one of them. She was past caring by then. Both are HIV negative by their saliva test.

Haha, love it! The slang for a pussy fart is "Queef", I have not heard that word in a long time, until the movie "The Heartbreak Kid".

You may have mentioned this before, but are you serious about HIV negative and saliva test?? Do you carry some form of HIV throat swab kit with you, or just yanking our chains?

-CPE

Neuromancer

03-16-08, 16:04

This is where you are wrong. I cannot tell you how many times I have heard, "You are a rich foreigner, you should pay more." Or, "I get 400 from laowais and will not accept less from you."I asked for the price and agreed to 400, without trying to negotiate.[/QUOTE]This sounds like you couldn't be bothered paying too much. You even admit that you knew you were overpaying, but still did not negotiate.

Bill Lee expressed it correctly. Would you walk into a Wal-Mart and pay $5. 99 for something marked at $2. 99?

Just my POV.

OAH[/QUOTE]Sorry to interject here. I know that the whole "would you walk into Wal-Mart and pay $XX for something marked $XX-50%" argument seems to make alot of sense, but as far as I can tell, the girl does not have a sticker that says RMB150 on her. It's an imperfect market with limited price transparency. Yes, if some BBS girl had a big 'ole sticker on her head that said RMB150. And some dude insists on paying RMB400 or something like that, then the Wal-Mart analogy would be correct.

While many dudes will thoroughly read the boards beforehand and when it comes time to do the deed, ends up paying more, well, some guys just think with the little head. And if I'm just in-and-out and only coming back very infrequently, I really wouldn't care about an extra RMB100-200. It's when I go frequently when I start to pay more attention to price.

Yes, ISG provides alot of good information, but this information is available to all. Regulars and newbies alike. If you don't like newbies "wasting" this information, then, well, don't post it.

Bottom line is that the price of p*ssy hasn't gone up over the past how many years? 2/5/8 back in the late 90's is still 2/5/8 today. BBS is RMB150 today, how much was it in 1997? If you b*tch about the BSD overpaying, you b*tch because he's stupid and wasted his money. It HASN'T increased the price for the guys in the know. Or am I wrong and BBS p*ssy was something like RMB50 back in 1997?

Netter

03-17-08, 02:01

This is where you are wrong. I cannot tell you how many times I have heard, "You are a rich foreigner, you should pay more." Or, "I get 400 from laowais and will not accept less from you."

I asked for the price and agreed to 400, without trying to negotiate.
This sounds like you couldn't be bothered paying too much. You even admit that you knew you were overpaying, but still did not negotiate.

Actually, that's right, I didn't care. It was my last night in mainland China, before taking the train to Hongkong the next morning and then flying back home the following day. I had some RMB left, so I didn't mind spending them.

This setting of having to negotiate the price with the mamasan in front of the girl makes me feel uneasy. Call me old-fashioned, but if I am going to have sex with a girl, I prefer to give her the feeling I want her - even if I am paying for it.

During my trip I overpaid plenty of places, not knowing the going rate, e.g., souvenirs, phone cards. Being easily recognizable as foreigners, Chinese vendors might try to pull those prices on you, too. But when they see that you are not a stupid newbie laowai on his visit day in China and that you know the correct price, you'll be able to get it. If you get this "I get 400 from laowais and will not accept less from you", then just tell her that there are two kinds of laowais and that today's not her lucky day, because you don't happen to be one of the stupid laowais who pay this price... The arguments used in negotiating prices in China seem to be quite arbitrary, anyway, no?

By the way, in his pm's, CPExpat provided my with another good reason for overpaying. He explained to me that Chinese hookers are money counting machines, the more you pay, the better the service. Plot service against money, it's a straight line, he says. Quality of service doesn't depend on anything else. His concern is that his 150-200 RMB will get him lousy service, once they have got 400 from me. The day I start believing this bull, I'll be overpaying without limit................

Netter

03-17-08, 02:08

PS.: Some people here seem to think I must have known the exact going rate in SZ. That is actually not true. I visited several places in China during my trip, and used ISG in advance to check some addresses for action, warnings about traps, etc., for these places, in case I'd feel like mongering somewhere. But I was far too lazy to compile a complete list with exact prices and services.

Old Mean Dog

03-17-08, 05:44

This setting of having to negotiate the price with the mamasan in front of the girl makes me feel uneasy. Call me old-fashioned, but if I am going to have sex with a girl, I prefer to give her the feeling I want her - even if I am paying for it.

During my trip I overpaid plenty of places, not knowing the going rate, e.g., souvenirs, phone cards. Being easily recognizable as foreigners, Chinese vendors might try to pull those prices on you, too. But when they see that you are not a stupid newbie laowai on his visit day in China and that you know the correct price, you'll be able to get it. If you get this "I get 400 from laowais and will not accept less from you", then just tell her that there are two kinds of laowais and that today's not her lucky day, because you don't happen to be one of the stupid laowais who pay this price... The arguments used in negotiating prices in China seem to be quite arbitrary, anyway, no?

By the way, in his pm's, CPExpat provided my with another good reason for overpaying. He explained to me that Chinese hookers are money counting machines, the more you pay, the better the service. Plot service against money, it's a straight line, he says. Quality of service doesn't depend on anything else. His concern is that his 150-200 RMB will get him lousy service, once they have got 400 from me. The day I start believing this bull, I'll be overpaying without limit................

Any chance you are related to OWL? If you are not sure, you should certainly have a DNA test conducted.

You are right, maybe we should just all STFU, quit posting anything on ISG (ever notice it's called a guide?) and ask Jackson for a refund. Every man for himself, to hell with everyone else! You are laowai, you can do what you want, when you want, and pay as much as you want. In the end, you are on the "Me, Myself and I" Team and are armed with a pocket full of funny money and the "I am a stupid newbie" foreigner excuse.

Enjoy your future trips to China and don't forget to tip 'em big.

-CPE

BTW: Good excuse on the I am too lazy to research ISG, but had no problems posting about overpaying or responding to our messages quite rapidly.

SE Asia Joe

03-17-08, 07:05

Yep, it's a good thing you negotiated that price down. We now have CPExpat walking the streets of Shenzhen, looking for BSDs so he can kick ass.

How bad is he? He looks like Homer Simpson wearing size 16 boots. If he kicks you with the deadly right boot your mongering days are over. Finished!

So, a warning to all. Pay the correct price or stay away from Guangdong.
Actually - when I saw Santa walking with CP - it reminded me of Abbot and Costello or Laurel and Hardy - but mean looking ones though.... well perhaps not Santa with his trinket offerings to all and sundry gals.
SE Asia Joe

Netter

03-17-08, 07:45

ever notice it's called a guide?
Exactly, a guide, not a club, and definitely not the marines! We exchange information here, but we are not subject to some kind of ROE.

You think because you post two a three times a day in the SZ forum, your words turn into some kind of ten commandments??? I for one won't let some Southern China based redneck tell what I can do and what I can't - no matter how big his boots may be....

PS.: Out of the dozens of mongerers that reach 深圳 by train or plane everyday, how many to you think have had the opportunity to read your going rates here on ISG? If you want to enforce your prices, you should post them at the station and at the airport... ;)

Wadman

03-17-08, 07:45

Both Netter and Neuromancer seem to be of the opinion that "it's my money and I can do with it what I want".

Well, let's look at the bigger picture here.
1. You get your mongering information from ISG.
2. The ISG members with the most info are those who spend lots of time in Shenzhen, or live here.
3. If you continue to overpay and screw things up for those ISG members they will stop posting info about new places. In Shenzhen, things change fast. Seibu BBSs were nice about 8 months ago, they are such crap now that I don't go there anymore.
4. I live in Shenzhen and I know I have stopped posting about new places for exactly this reason.

There is pride and ego involved as well. For the girls and mommies it's a thrill if they can rip you off for twice or thrice the market rate. They like the extra money too of course. They will all be laughing at you, and boasting to each other how they cheated you.

PS: fortunately, I am not a laowai, so "foreigner pricing" affects me a lot less.

Actually, that's right, I didn't care. It was my last night in mainland China, before taking the train to Hongkong the next morning and then flying back home the following day. I had some RMB left, so I didn't mind spending them.

While many dudes will thoroughly read the boards beforehand and when it comes time to do the deed, ends up paying more, well, some guys just think with the little head. And if I'm just in-and-out and only coming back very infrequently, I really wouldn't care about an extra RMB100-200. It's when I go frequently when I start to pay more attention to price.

SE Asia Joe

03-17-08, 08:06

Both Netter and Neuromancer seem to be of the opinion that "it's my money and I can do with it what I want".

know I have stopped posting about new places for exactly this reason.

There is pride and ego involved as well. For the girls and mommies it's a thrill if they can rip you off for twice or thrice the market rate. They like the extra money too of course. They will all be laughing at you, and boasting to each other how you cheated you.

PS: fortunately, I am not a laowai, so "foreigner pricing" affects me a lot less.
I've had a chance to chat with a few gals about overcharging - or trying to overcharge - clients, whether Laowai, HKG or even locals.

One surprising thing that I never considered is the fact that these gals are LESS motivated to give good service to a wanker who they've been able to con vs. guys who are at least astute enough to get a fair deal. The reasoning goes as follows:

- Anybody they're able to con (Ignorant Mother F..kers) is NOT a regular monger who's likely to repeat - no need to please HIM!
- This IMF will find out he'd been suckered and will not be back
- IMF usually acts like Big Swinging dicks (BSD) and demands more stuff = the hell if he thinks he's gonna get what he wants!
- And oh if he does want "more" - I'm gonna sucker him into paying more!
- Even if this IMF is a regular monger, he certainly must be a newbie here/ NOT be locally based/only here for a while = fergit about getting repeat biz.
- These girls, bemoaning their fate in life - LOVES to play games on their "masters of the moment" = and loves to not only screw him out of his money, but also screw up his enjoyment of "her." Hell, she got away with overcharging him = no problem also screwing him out of his entitlement.
- Another Victory over another idiot. It's a game after all ain't it? There certainly ain't no love or tenderness or consideration between and John and a WG. These WG's gets a certain "high" out of being able to put one over their John - hell how many times do they get a chance to come up on top?!
- etc etc etc
Se Asia Joe
Ps. So you wankers, IMF, BSD's - Stop screwing things up for the rest of us - for you only end up screwing yourselves!

-

Sukhumvitter

03-17-08, 08:34

...You think because you post two a three times a day in the SZ forum, your words turn into some kind of ten commandments??? I for one won't let some Southern China based redneck tell what I can do and what I can't - no matter how big his boots may be....

Hey CPEx,

I never noticed the big boots before... Maybe that's why all the Yalan Mommies love you! LOL

And are you STILL a redneck? I thought you gave up the "chaw"! Ha, Ha!

_

SE Asia Joe

03-17-08, 08:43

You think because you post two a three times a day in the SZ forum, your words turn into some kind of ten commandments??? I for one won't let some Southern China based redneck tell what I can do and what I can't - no matter how big his boots may be....

... ;)
Oooooohhhhh....dem R fightin' words!!
Size 28 Homer poundin' on a prizzy IMF/BSD - probably with One Whole Lotta man (he thinks) giving flying kicks protecting mister prizzy. Yeah I wanna see that!!!
SEAJ

Sukhumvitter

03-17-08, 08:48

This setting of having to negotiate the price with the mamasan in front of the girl makes me feel uneasy. Call me old-fashioned, but if I am going to have sex with a girl, I prefer to give her the feeling I want her - even if I am paying for it.
.....

She knows you want her (lustful you), cus you picked her! LOL

I don't want to get in the middle of this conflagration, but I do find it amusing to see someone describing themselves as having "old fashion values" in the midsts of paying a complete stranger to have sex with another complete stranger.

You are old fashion??????

I guess I'm old fashion too... I like to be on TOP while I'm cumming inside a young girl half my age who I'm paying for the pleasure. ROTFLMAO

Hee, hee!

SE Asia Joe

03-17-08, 09:26

Hey Nutter - did you really write this on 11/27/04. How did you transfoprm into such a IMF/BSD in just 4 short years??
SEAJ

I think you are mistaken, this forum is not about "free or cheap pussy." It is about pussy and sex in a much larger sense. We come here to know what to expect when we go somewhere, in order to get what we want and to avoid getting ripped of.

If you want cheap and hot, then read the postings concerning cheap and hot. Others may have different tastes, and they will be interested in different posts. So keep bitching about individual posts that you don't like, especially if, as is the case with JP's posts, others have already expressed their appreciation.

If you find here what you are looking for, then enjoy and be happy. If you don't find it, then you may as well stay away.

Neuromancer

03-17-08, 13:40

Both Netter and Neuromancer seem to be of the opinion that "it's my money and I can do with it what I want".Not really and sort of. Yes, it's my money, and I can do with it what I want. That DOESN'T mean that I WANT to throw it away. If someone else decides that he wants to throw it away, well, that's his problem isn't it? Was only making the point that the Wal-Mart argument, while sounds nice, isn't fully applicable.

Maybe a more applicable analogy would be "if your buddies had negotiated a 500RMB drinks/room charge for the KTV and you figured, hey, I think we should pay 600RMB instead", then yeah, you're an idiot but hey, it's you're money. But if I was the guy who did the negotiating or part of the group who now had to pay more, then yeah, I'd be pretty p*ssed.

If one of the esteemed veterans took you around and negotiated the price for you, but then decided to double it "just for the heck of it". Pretty stupid and would fully understand if the vet was extremely p*ssed. I would be pissed if I was the tour guide.

Bottom line, while plenty of good pricing info is provided here, it's still not a perfect market. There's still a bit of a gap between what a message board tells you is the correct price and actually being able to implement/negotiate it once you're on the ground.

Old Mean Dog

03-17-08, 15:25

Exactly, a guide, not a club, and definitely not the marines! We exchange information here, but we are not subject to some kind of ROE.

You think because you post two a three times a day in the SZ forum, your words turn into some kind of ten commandments??? I for one won't let some Southern China based redneck tell what I can do and what I can't - no matter how big his boots may be....

PS.: Out of the dozens of mongerers that reach 深圳 by train or plane everyday, how many to you think have had the opportunity to read your going rates here on ISG? If you want to enforce your prices, you should post them at the station and at the airport... ;)

LOL, now simmer down Netter, I ain't wanting to start some family feud with ya!!

My previous post kinds of sums it up I thought. If everyone posts the going rate as 150-200 for a shot, then this is what's called the "going rate". Of course the girls don't walk around with these prices stamped on their forehead, but you are a "Senior" member of ISG and I assume can read, you just chose to disregard from the norm.

If you want to pay twice as much, then that is your choice and ain't nobody gonna stop ya, including myself. What first yanked my chain was the fact you said you paid 400 rmb and knew you overpaid, but hoped nobody would flame you.....lol, WTF? Why even post how much you paid then, unless you were looking for some kind of "flame" war.

Anyway, good luck in your mongering experiences.

-CPE

BTW: I traded in my combat boots for a pair of flip-flops three years ago and yeah, even though I enjoy a fresh can of Mint Skoal (which cannot be obtained in China) and I do actually like some C&W music, I think calling me a redneck is a tad bit off target. ;)

Steven Jones

03-17-08, 23:37

Haha, love it! The slang for a pussy fart is "Queef", I have not heard that word in a long time, until the movie "The Heartbreak Kid".

You may have mentioned this before, but are you serious about HIV negative and saliva test?? Do you carry some form of HIV throat swab kit with you, or just yanking our chains?

-CPE

You know, I'm curious about this test too, I've never heard of anything like it, don't most HIV tests take about a month to come through?

LoveAsia

03-18-08, 06:25

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Wadman

03-18-08, 07:49

Not really and sort of. Yes, it's my money, and I can do with it what I want. That DOESN'T mean that I WANT to throw it away. If someone else decides that he wants to throw it away, well, that's his problem isn't it? Was only making the point that the Wal-Mart argument, while sounds nice, isn't fully applicable.

Yeah, I never liked the Wal-Mart analogy either, too inexact. Wal-Mart as a store and being in the industry that they are in, has set prices. When you go to a BBS, low end Sauna, or a stall selling regular stuff there is no rule (legal, moral, or otherwise) that says that they have to quote you the lowest price. Or even a reasonable price. It's a negotiating session, and they can and will use whatever strategy that will get them the most money.

Bottom line, while plenty of good pricing info is provided here, it's still not a perfect market. There's still a bit of a gap between what a message board tells you is the correct price and actually being able to implement/negotiate it once you're on the ground.

The market prices as reported here are correct. The mommies and girls are always trying to make you pay more of course, especially if you are a foreigner. Knowing the "real price" is half the battle. The other half is be prepared to walk away. Don't walk away in a huff, give them a chance to call you back with a lower price.

I still remember that time (many months ago)when OAH, Moody, me were approached by some mommies on the streets in Luohu. OAH was walking a bit apart, so it was not apparent that we were together. Moody and me asked the mommie how much ST was, she said 200. OAH was the only laowai among us, and when he asked her the same question and she said 400. With his pidgin-Mandarin OAH blasted her about the unfairness of it all, and she quickly come down to 200. None of us even followed the mommie to look at her girls, we just wanted to see how things would unfold.

Bill Lee

03-18-08, 13:44

Sorry to interject here. I know that the whole "would you walk into Wal-Mart and pay $XX for something marked $XX-50%" argument seems to make alot of sense, but as far as I can tell, the girl does not have a sticker that says RMB150 on her. It's an imperfect market with limited price transparency. Yes, if some BBS girl had a big 'ole sticker on her head that said RMB150. And some dude insists on paying RMB400 or something like that, then the Wal-Mart analogy would be correct.

You're absolute right that the girls has no price on their head. But you also just made our point. You know what the price is from reading the board. We all know what the set price is.

These set prices are given to us by the providers, as would any stores you walk into. You don't like the high price, you walk out or you pay for it. But would you knowingly walk into a shop and pay more than necessary (excluding tipping)?

If there was a newbie and he's never read ISG or asked about pricing and a mommy wants to charge him 300 ST at Yalan, and he pays for it. Now he's stupid for not checking out first. But if he's a ISG member and knew the set price and yet pays double the going rate and comes out posting about it, shouldn't he be scolded for fucking it for us?

If I just told you that a shop across the street sold a jacket to me a minute ago for 200 RMB and you walk over and asked for the price and the shop manager said 400 RMB. What would you do?

My point is, as an ISG member, there is no negotiation here. We don't negotiate, we walk away. That's always been true with shops we visit when we know the prevailing rate. When you negotiate, you compromise. Who among us senior member of CP has ever negotiated up from the 150 rate at the night market, negotiated up from the 200 rate at Yalan? When we tell the mommy of the right price, 10 out of 10 times, they smile and drop to the market price.

We're all weak for pussy, especially hot pussy, but when you over pay for "Not really a beauty," we all have to scold you, while the mommy and the gal are laughing their ass off.

Some of you dumb fucks just don't understand the point of it all.

Bill

Neuromancer

03-18-08, 13:59

You're absolute right that the girls has no price on their head. But you also just made our point. You know what the price is from reading the board. We all know what the set price is.

These set prices are given to us by the providers, as would any stores you walk into. You don't like the high price, you walk out or you pay for it. But would you knowingly walk into a shop and pay more than necessary (excluding tipping)?

If there was a newbie and he's never read ISG or asked about pricing and a mommy wants to charge him 300 ST at Yalan, and he pays for it. Now he's stupid for not checking out first. But if he's a ISG member and knew the set price and yet pays double the going rate and comes out posting about it, shouldn't he be scolded for fucking it for us?

If I just told you that a shop across the street sold a jacket to me a minute ago for 200 RMB and you walk over and asked for the price and the shop manager said 400 RMB. What would you do?

My point is, as an ISG member, there is no negotiation here. We don't negotiate, we walk away. That's always been true with shops we visit when we know the prevailing rate. When you negotiate, you compromise. Who among us senior member of CP has ever negotiated up from the 150 rate at the night market, negotiated up from the 200 rate at Yalan? When we tell the mommy of the right price, 10 out of 10 times, they smile and drop to the market price.

Some of you dumb fucks just don't understand the point of it all.

BillRight, I would generally just walk away rather than haggle as it's sort of a buzz kill. What if you went to 10 shops and they all asked for the same inflated price? Would you just go home empty handed? What if you found a perfect 10 and she kept insisting on the inflated price?

You're right on deserving to be scolded for "knowingly paying double the price" without a good reason.

Seems like the price has held steady for quite a long time, so in the end, seems like the newbies/IMF/BSD haven't really f*cked it up for anyone. And don't tell me that the girls wouldn't try the "some other guy paid 400" line even if the newbies/IMF/BSD didn't exist at all.

Bill Lee

03-18-08, 14:48

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Iluvchik

03-18-08, 15:13

I talked to a girl in Seibu last month. She told me that more LE in this area now partly because two girls were killed in one of the apartments near by in January. Don't know this is true or not.

Humm, overpaying, I remember you giving something like $2000 to $3000 for a tip to a girl you ONLY met once or twice. I remember you blaming other members if problems occur. Like paying $250 or $300 for ST in Zhuhai. Then getting sick, food poison. Oh What a Liar.

FYI Might be a problem in Shenzhen with a serial killing in HK. Four working girls killed now in HK. It's Jack The Ripper?

Old Mean Dog

03-18-08, 15:50

My point is, as an ISG member, there is no negotiation here.

Some of you dumb fucks just don't understand the point of it all.

Bill

Brother Bill,

The point is; Some guys will never be team players. They are here to satisfy their own selfish desires, no matter if they pay above the "going rate" or not, because to them, 400 rmb (remember he does a currency conversion in his head, about $55 USD) to bang a young Chinese girl is money well spent.

They don't give two shits what the "going rate" is or if it spoils the market for Bill Lee, CPExpat or any of the other brothers who are on the team. To them mongering is a solo sport, probably 11 1/2 month a year they gotta go home every day to some old, fat, ugly wife, but for 2 weeks a year well, we have all heard it before "They are like kids in a candy store and they don't give a damn how much the candy costs"

We will never make these kind of guys understand, but we can certainly rip the ones who post on ISG ;)

-CPE

Bill Lee

03-19-08, 03:00

Right, I would generally just walk away rather than haggle as it's sort of a buzz kill. What if you went to 10 shops and they all asked for the same inflated price? Would you just go home empty handed? What if you found a perfect 10 and she kept insisting on the inflated price?

How many shops do you really know in the Yalan and Hui Mei Alley do they actually all inflate their prices, all at the same time? None. Except for Chinese New Years when Bill boycotted them. That's a different situation, when they all want the same price. You're now paying the new market price. Nothing you can do about it.

Now maybe at Hui Mei, if you don't know the price, the mommy will say 200RMB, but if you tell them it's 150RMB, she will back down immediately. Now these are examples of places I know that will support my case.

Sure, if you see a hottie, she's a perfect 10 and she wants 400 RMB. Well, fuck. If you want to pay for it, by all means, pay for it and fulfill your fantasy. Hot girls know what they can get away with; higher prices and lousy service.

But to find an average girl, know what the market price was, not even bother argue over the pricing and come on the board to post about it. Well. Fuck, you deserve a hot oil scolding.

Bill

Weelock

03-19-08, 03:23

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FYI Might be a problem in Shenzhen with a serial killing in HK. Four working girls killed now in HK. It's Jack The Ripper?

I talked to a girl in Seibu last month. She told me that more LE in this area now partly because two girls were killed in one of the apartments near by in January. Don't know this is true or not.

A few years ago rumors had it a girl or two working girls were killed in Chang Ping. LE shutdown the whole place pretty good but it was also close to Chinese New Year at the time. Unlike Hong Kong, news in China is pretty much censored. From the news they said the serial killer might be a foreigner. The murders in HK are real. Just hope it doesn't spread to China like to Shenzhen. It will surely raise the price.

SE Asia Joe

03-19-08, 04:13

A few years ago rumors had it a girl or two working girls were killed in Chang Ping. LE shutdown the whole place pretty good but it was also close to Chinese New Year at the time. Unlike Hong Kong, news in China is pretty much censored. From the news they said the serial killer might be a foreigner. The murders in HK are real.
Yeah - real and the gals in HKG are quite shook up. Zi Tang - the WG organization's organized marches and demands to the police - yeah, true, the POLICE - to give them better protection etc; ****** is pretty well shut down (voluntarily I may add); The police mulling over an alert system for the WG; the WG's keeping tabs on each other - and us punters staying away in droves!! I mean its really all screwed up in HKG right now! I mean - who still want to screw around these 141's when you know damn good and well that you're being observed, recorded on CCTV - with some idiot actually poring over these CCTV footage etc etc.
HKG really knows how to screw things up don't it. I mean even that Edison Chen thing - hell - nowadays I really have a hard time trying to get pictures of my CP/SZ/ZH "friends" - I mean NOT for love or money - they just will NOT allow me to take pictures as they all think (hmmmm...) that they'll get posted up!
And pity our poor South Asian comrades - now that they've apprehended a Pakistani for these murders. Even before all this, these guys were already NOT the favorite customers for Chinese WG's - with this arrest I'm quite sure that theyre gonna have a hard time getting any service.
SE Asia Joe