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Rockabilly77
05-15-08, 01:25
From someone who doesn't monger regularly in China - you're absolutely right - these guys can really be assholes! Put them all on your ignore list and you won't have so much crap to read.
On the other hand, you also won't find much information after the ignore list wipes out most of the posts ;)Don't get me wrong here, I'm not trying to call people out or point fingers. I just get frustrated when I read that shit. If you don't want to help then don't, no worries. I value the insight of experienced mongers, but on my first trip I read and read this forum and didn't learn a hell of alot, when I got there I had to learn alot myself. Luckly I was with a freind and we don't care much abut exploring and playing it by ear so it wasnt bad, but I still don't know alot about things down there. I would never block anyone, I just wish I could filter out all the RTFF and get to the meat of peoples knowledge base.
Hopefully I have not offended to many people. I just got a nice invitation to the Ace Gallant forum so perhaps thats where I belong.
Went to LeNest to have some beer. It is located along Renming Lu (Road) an at 5th floor. The reception is at ground floor. They will normally have someone to take you up using the lift.
It is quite big inside with nice set up and good music. They have some local guys singing while some sexy girls dancing as well. This place is frequented by the middle class and not so sure if it is the right place to pick up girls.
Beer is expensive, mind you.
Sukhumvitter
05-15-08, 04:26
I met up with OAH last night for some nosh and some nookie.
Just a tip for hungry travelers: The bucket 'O chicken and bottle of soda from KFC is a great deal at 64 RMB for a couple of hungry mongers.
I had the honor of introducing OAH to something that he's never done in Shenzhen. (Can you imagine that there is something he hasn't done?) We road the SUBWAY to GuoMao station!
Yep, he never had taken the subway before (being the private vehicle owner that he is, he’s never needed to). So I had the great pleasure of teaching an old dog a new trick! ("Yes, OAH, that little disk of plastic IS the ticket.") LOL
We walked from GuoMao to the Seibu BBS area and it was Rockin'!! At 10 PM on a Wednesday night the birds were in the coops.
Along our walk to the pussy warren, we encountered a young German guy looking for "a good place to get a beer". We dissuaded him of that notion and suggested he tag along to see where one can get something more revitalizing than a beer!
We trolled the alleys looking for a smile and avoiding the scowls. There were plenty of beauties out last night. Lot's of tall KTV types and plenty of spinners.
One thing that I noticed was how many of the girls had very elaborate hair-dos. The thing that I thought of was, "I guess they are not showering much between sessions, otherwise they'd lose that expensive 'do. Hopefully, however, they are irrigating the canal between passengers. LOL
The evening ended with me heading back to Shekou (I had a previous arrangement with a regular back at home.), the young German heading over to SoHo for his long sought-after beer, and OAH plunging back into the Maze to find the young'n who is going to have lower back pains in her old age (i.e. slim waist with huge knockers!).
All in all, a good evening!
SE Asia Joe
05-15-08, 05:37
I went thru these boards and found more and more posts from people blasting newbies. WTF is the deal? Arent we all here to learn from each other and share stories and advice. This board seems to be a old boys club or something.
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not that it matters what I think...
I'll agree with these statments about a couple of the southern China boards.
look back, more than a few pages 3/4s full of mostly the same guys BSing with each other, snide remarks or down talking the few new guys brave enough to ask apearent studip questions.
Gotsta read a lot of crap to find good info...
For the time it takes you type the words that point how stupid people are, you could simply help them out!
I spend my time mainly in Thailand and that board is full of infromation and/or people that are willing to help out fellow mongers.
This board seems to be a old boys club or something.
As newbie to China its rather intimidating to even post on this board. Allwell I really don't care what you think!
For those of you that want to blast this post, go hard fellas.
The more I think about it, the more upset I get – especially with statements like “For those of you that want to blast this post, go hard fellas.”
I’m not going to blast – but I will write a few basic facts – which are of course IMHO
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- Most mongers in China, do so only as a sideline to their main activity – which is working. Unlike in places like Thailand, PI, Cambodia etc we hardly have “full time” mongers, retirees, (Chinese Immigration laws will not tolerate this), and as such, we really don’t need to latch on to/have a need to meet new “mongering buddies” to fill our time. I’ve also noticed that in many mongering destinations there seems to even be mongers who are eager to become Paid Guides/monger buddies or worse, even guys whose main motivation in life is to get others to pay for their drinks.
- I believe that at ISG, when and if we do decide to answer questions or help out newbies, that it is NOT going to bring oneself any benefits/only an altruistic undertaking. The way that some questions are posed i.e. I am a BSD/BFD/Will pay for drinks/Senior and thus you guys must answer me really rankles me. I especially resent those who gets into a hissy-fit when pointed to RTFF in a nice way. To these guys I say ”Go to Hxll!” What gives you the right to deem it appropriate to castigate us if we do not respond to your inane/easily found out answers - just by RTFF?!
- Southern China, unlike most other mongering destinations (even shanghai, Beijing etc) is just NOT a place where a monger can get away with only speaking English or any other Foreign language. This being so, anyone who wants to really have the “China experience” will just have to tolerate us “local part-time” monger or be at the mercy of the local pimps, hucksters, shysters and/or be thrown waist deep into other various nefarious activities. Or else RTFF!!
- Prostitution and Mongering, like in other localities, is illegal in China. But unlike other localities, it is tolerated MOSTLY to satisfy the demands of the locals – NOT the foreigners. This brings on the added dimension of safety to the equation – safety for our favored providers, safety from LEO’s (who do troll the various web sites for leads on where they can notch another merit by busting some illegal activity) and even our own safety against some of the true wankers/BSD/BFD’s who do make it to our shores with increasing frequency and alacrity; How do I figure out that a guy is going to be a BSD/BFD/LEO? By how he first post on our threads – and if you don’t like my methods – well… tough shxt I say!
- The flame – oh yes the flaming when told to RTFF. Well there are guys here who I do KNOW regularly helps out the hapless newby – and what do they get for it??? Flames!! Like my friend AG – hell, he reports something which he truly believes (and so what if you or even I think a report is full of…whatever) what gives you the right to immediately flame him? Even in the spirit of never kicking a lying dog….
Just in MY Very Humble Opinion – and others here, I certainly would not mind you adding in your own thoughts why we should treat asshxxxs as the true asshxxxs that they are. And if you happen to be the asshxxx I am referring to – please do blast back at me!!
SE Asia Joe
Well said SE Joe! I think non-expats think that all we do is monger or think about mongering, while the reality is most of us are professionals working our tails off here who happen to occasionally let off steam through our collective "hobby". This forum is not an "Old Boys Club", as I found no problem becoming a new contributor last year and meeting several members. Notice I use the word "Contributor", as that's what the forum is all about. The first step in being able to contribute is to do your homework (ie research). When I first joined ISG I spent hours going through old threads, so that when I needed to ask my first questions they could be INTELLIGENT questions.
Everyone here is busy. Don't ask us how to find Seibu. Don't ask us how a BBS works. Don't ask us how much to pay. RTFF, get an education, and then join the club.
SE Asia Joe
05-15-08, 06:50
Hmmm.
Perhaps I haven't posted much because in other sections of this forum the infromation is all there for me! If you read my posts I hardly think they are all where, hows and whats!
25 posts:
Where/what/how - 7
I am Here!! - 4
Hotel info - 4 - with 3 of them about the same estiny
Thanks - 2
Stupid/Yeah I tried her/inane remarks of no informative value whatsoever - 5
Grand Total 25 - and now 3 more - areyou trying to start a flaming war?
As for "you certianly have alot to complain about" I think I do. On other boards the info is there, and if someone asks a honest question in most cases its answered, unless its blaintly stupid it is answered. I don't have to post my insight in most cases because by the time I read a post (in most cases) someone or four have already jumped to it and posted a insightful answer.
You've not even posted a question and you've already come down on us?? Where's your question to us? Not that I think naybody would answer you!
Example: there is a SW in Pattaya named Na, every once in awhile someoNE will post pics of her and people go crazy askinG where to find her, people will answer and some will tell people to read back thru the pages. But in many cases people will post where she can be found and other info. Another month or 2 will go by without mention of Na and then someone will post another pic and again people will start asking the same questions that were asked prevously.
So.....???
I guess my point is that if we say RTFF thats all the forum will become. In my opinion and perhaps its only mine, by constantly telling people to RTFF and not helping them out it is promoting a negative enviroment where people don't want to ask questions and don't want to participate. Isn't it better to either help people or not to repond at all? As apossed to filling a forum with RTFF, RTFF, RTFF? Maybe whats old news to some is new news to others and it may be greatly apreciated. We are mongering here! There is only so much we can talk about before history repeats itself.
When we ask someone to RTFF, it is precisely to rid the thread of all the stupid questions, non-informative drivels and comments - and for all to think first - hopefully to actually RTFF - before they further pollute the threads with stupid questions. And what is it that further information and multiple posting about some black, ugly, hopped-up, yaba yaba hooker contribute to further knowledge about Pattaya?
Lastly. Your right I only have 25 posts, but big flippen deal. I've been on this site for longer then 4 years and have had other user names, I post when I have time and when I have something to say. So are we going to judge people on there amount of posts they have? Does having more or less posts make me more or less superior. If this is a competition of who has the biggest cock then I guess I'll start posting more so my opinions mean something!
Yes big flippen deal - when your posts as pointed above - are nothing more than more of the same drivel and nonsense - and now - Flames.
Guys with lots of posts here do contribute of their own time knowledge and experience - and resent little upstarts as you who suggest that - hey - you owe me - you gotta answer me.
And yes, I am spending a lot of time replying - but I really think you are an IDIOT!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
05-15-08, 07:00
Don't get me wrong here, I'm not trying to call people out or point fingers. I just get frustrated when I read that shit. If you don't want to help then don't, no worries.
No - I don't think we got you wrong.
and if you're now frustrated - well, with your attitude, I wish you the best (?) of luck on your trying to do business in china.
I value the insight of experienced mongers, but on my first trip I read and read this forum and didn't learn a hell of alot, when I got there I had to learn alot myself. Luckly I was with a freind and we don't care much abut exploring and playing it by ear so it wasnt bad, but I still don't know alot about things down there. I would never block anyone, I just wish I could filter out all the RTFF and get to the meat of peoples knowledge base.
Hopefully I have not offended to many people. I just got a nice invitation to the Ace Gallant forum so perhaps thats where I belong.
Value the insight...?? Yeah - right!
And good on you on playing it by your ear - And good (?) luck
Ps.
I don't speak the language, what are the toutes that sit out side the hotels saying? Sounds like Ish. Ish? What does that mean?
Yup - good (?) luck!!!
SEAJ
I am a relative newbie to this board and did not find it that hard personally.
Shenzhen is tough because its a large populous area and therefore background geography is important. Language helps.
Periodically things deteriorate and don't actually serve the mission of this site.
The volley of insults serves no one.
Notwithstanding that, Rockabilly, I do think you need to earn your stripes. Many a time, the boards are helpful to newbies and there is nothing much back, no posts on how things went, good or bad - that is truly irritating.
In the meantime, I think the Tianfu, New Century Plaza, Metropark or Best Western Hotels may serve your purpose related to colleagues for lower price - mid range.
We do await a post with something useful in to the rest of the board.
BSK
Rockabilly77
05-15-08, 07:32
25 posts:
Where/what/how - 7
I am Here!! - 4
Hotel info - 4 - with 3 of them about the same estiny
Thanks - 2
Stupid/Yeah I tried her/inane remarks of no informative value whatsoever - 5
Grand Total 25 - and now 3 more - areyou trying to start a flaming war?
You've not even posted a question and you've already come down on us? Where's your question to us? Not that I think naybody would answer you!
So?
When we ask someone to RTFF, it is precisely to rid the thread of all the stupid questions, non-informative drivels and comments. And for all to think first. Hopefully to actually RTFF. Before they further pollute the threads with stupid questions. And what is it that further information and multiple posting about some black, ugly, hopped-up, yaba yaba hooker contribute to further knowledge about Pattaya?
Yes big flippen deal. When your posts as pointed above. Are nothing more than more of the same drivel and nonsense. And now. Flames.
Guys with lots of posts here do contribute of their own time knowledge and experience. And resent little upstarts as you who suggest that. Hey. You owe me. You gotta answer me.
And yes, I am spending a lot of time replying. But I really think you are an IDIOT!
SEAJWell I guess I could read thru your posts and pick them apart but I really don't care.
I tould you what I thought, I think being rude to people who ask questions that don't reach your level of intellect is ignorant.
Who cares that you live in China, and you know more then most. The fact is there isn't a need for ignorant responces to someones stupid questions. If you don't want to share your knowledge then don't, if youve responded to a prevous questions already and feel your repeating yourself then don't answer it again. If you don't like there question don't respond to it! Move on!
You say your busy but you have time to make people feel smaller then you by making them feel stupid.
I think its bullshit, and thats my opinion. If you want to get offended and try to disect my words then go hard. It doesnt make a diffrence to me. I get the impression you think this is your forum and you and look down on newbies like your better then them. Whatever bud. Call me a idiot call me what you will. I think its funny. The "old boys club" must have been spot on.
I've met many people with simular intrests as me and have shared stories with them. When I meet someone new to the hobby I do my best to help them out. I guess I'm just stupid and if I'm ever asked a question I should just refer them to the search button and tell them to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off. I made my comments based on what I read. I did my research prior to coming over, I read every night for a few weeks prior to coming over. I understand peoples frustration with trying to learn about a area they haven't been before.
This is a forum for people to share there infromation and or come to learn about the hobby
Sorry pal I just don't agree with you and if you need to insult me then go hard but it doesnt change my opinion that this is not your forum and the newbies are only trying to learn and shouldnt have to be told what they can and can't ask. Simply don't flippen answer!
As for the crack head. Your right who cares. I don't but others do, the topic comes up again and again. Who are you or I to say that the topic should or shouldnt be talked about. What is pointless dribble to you is a intresting topic for others.
I'm glad you think I'm a idiot. I think its funny that youve wasted all this time on this, as such a busy part time hobbiest.
As for what I think of you I think its pretty clear. I don't need to say it.
I'll be in your area June 6th, I'll be the guy talkng with others and enjoying myself. I look for the ahole who thinks hes better then everyone because he lives there.
What is the purpose of this Forum? The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women.
Thats what I came here to do, I didn't come here to get into a pissing match with you. If you read my posts I asked questions aswell as made my comments. My questions were stupid so I guess your answer will be RTFF!
Rockabilly77
05-15-08, 07:36
No. I don't think we got you wrong.
And if you're now frustrated. Well, with your attitude, I wish you the best (? ) of luck on your trying to do business in China.
Value the insight? Yeah. Right!
And good on you on playing it by your ear. And good (? ) luck
Yup. Good (? ) luck!
SEAJLol
I must have really got you going.
My business is doing just fine thnx. Id be happy to sit down with you when I arrive and compare chips.
Rockabilly77
05-15-08, 07:39
I am a relative newbie to this board and did not find it that hard personally.
Shenzhen is tough because its a large populous area and therefore background geography is important. Language helps.
Periodically things deteriorate and don't actually serve the mission of this site.
The volley of insults serves no one.
Notwithstanding that, Rockabilly, I do think you need to earn your stripes. Many a time, the boards are helpful to newbies and there is nothing much back, no posts on how things went, good or bad - that is truly irritating.
In the meantime, I think the Tianfu, New Century Plaza, Metropark or Best Western Hotels may serve your purpose related to colleagues for lower price - mid range.
We do await a post with something useful in to the rest of the board.
BSKhey thnx for the answer i apreciate your help.
Rockabilly77
05-15-08, 07:44
Everyone here is busy. Don't ask us how to find Seibu. Don't ask us how a BBS works. Don't ask us how much to pay. RTFF, get an education, and then join the club.This is my favorite!
Don't ask this, don't ask that. Get a education, then join the club!
LOL
I don't want to join the old boys club, I joined this forum thats enough for me.
Old Mean Dog
05-15-08, 08:06
Don't get me wrong here, I'm not trying to call people out or point fingers. I just get frustrated when I read that shit. If you don't want to help then don't, no worries. I value the insight of experienced mongers, but on my first trip I read and read this forum and didn't learn a hell of alot, when I got there I had to learn alot myself. Luckly I was with a freind and we don't care much abut exploring and playing it by ear so it wasnt bad, but I still don't know alot about things down there. I would never block anyone, I just wish I could filter out all the RTFF and get to the meat of peoples knowledge base.
Read Carefully: There is only about half a dozen "areas" in Shenzhen for mongering on a large scale: Seibu, Pink Apts, Concubine Village, Heavens Gate (never remember the Chinese name), Shangri-La, and over in Futian by the Wal-mart.
Otherwise, most of the other places maybe are 1, 2 or 3 shops for the locals. Some report these, but the majority of us never go there.
There are 1,000's of Massage joints and KTV's in SZ. Most of the time, we "Old Timers" have our fav's and usually we report about them (but hesitant lately to share info with forum idiots).
Majority of the time, like in my case, I will see a joint and just go in to try out the services. **This is how new reports are created and keep the forums fresh**
Sometimes we report retreads: i.e. Seibu is alive and kicking tonight and this is what happend to me....or it's dead as fuck tonight and more cops than hookers.
Some people want us to spoon feed them: i.e. ok Seibu is across from the Panglin Hotel in Luohu, but how do I get to Luohu and what is Luohu? I mean come on folks, if you are coming to Shenzhen for business or pleasure, research a little bit. Do people not know how to Google Shenzhen or pull a map from the internet?
We "Contibutors" do this to tell others our experiences. We are not paid travel guides, nor do we work for ISG.
I especially like the posts: I am coming to Shenzhen, can anyone give me the name of mommies that have the best looking girls? BTW: I don't speak Chinese so I need only mommies who can speak English or better yet, PM me your phone number so I can call you to do all the talking for me.
Come on, you must be kidding.
I used to help out newbies, but got tired of having to front the taxi bill, waiting for them all the time, not even being offered dinner or a beer and most importantly, not even a thank you! I learned that my time is important to me and should not be wasted on such inconsiderate assholes.
Here's a suggestion for you; Befriend someone who knows the area, rather than writing a post like: I am coming to China for 3 days "Where's the pussy?"
You actually do some research about where you are going first (i.e. Google SZ) then more specifically, come to ISG and RTFF on the area you want to hunt in (SZ has 6 districts, but usually only 3 are reported for mongering Luohu, Futian, Nanshan...see, I just helped you again). Write them a PM and ask them if they wouldn't MIND helping you.
Hopefully I have not offended to many people. I just got a nice invitation to the Ace Gallant forum so perhaps thats where I belong.
Maybe that's a good idea. He is always looking to increase his coven of worshippers.
I don't speak the language, what are the toutes that sit out side the hotels saying? Sounds like Ish. Ish? What does that mean?
Why don't you hire a interpreter while you are here, this way it does not require you to have to waste time learning a little bit of Chinese. Here is a website: www.szparty.com
or
May I suggest Pimsleurs or Chinesepod? Maybe he had a mosquito bite and was saying "itch, itch"? I mean seriously, I am a white guy here with limited speaking skills, but I would never post something like this, nor expect anyone to try and decipher it.
Good Luck,
-CPE
Rockabilly77
05-15-08, 08:12
Read Carefully: There is only about half a dozen "areas" in Shenzhen for mongering on a large scale: Seibu, Pink Apts, Concubine Village, Heavens Gate (never remember the Chinese name), Shangri-La, and over in Futian by the Wal-mart.
Otherwise, most of the other places maybe are 1, 2 or 3 shops for the locals. Some report these, but the majority of us never go there.
There are 1, 000's of Massage joints and KTV's in SZ. Most of the time, we "Old Timers" have our fav's and usually we report about them (but hesitant lately to share info with forum idiots).
Majority of the time, like in my case, I will see a joint and just go in to try out the services. **This is how new reports are created and keep the forums fresh**
Sometimes we report retreads: I. E. Seibu is alive and kicking tonight and this is what happend to me. Or it's dead as fuck tonight and more cops than hookers.
Some people want us to spoon feed them: I. E. Ok Seibu is across from the Panglin Hotel in Luohu, but how do I get to Luohu and what is Luohu? I mean come on folks, if you are coming to Shenzhen for business or pleasure, research a little bit. Do people not know how to Google Shenzhen or pull a map from the internet?
We "Contibutors" do this to tell others our experiences. We are not paid travel guides, nor do we work for ISG.
I especially like the posts: I am coming to Shenzhen, can anyone give me the name of mommies that have the best looking girls? BTW: I don't speak Chinese so I need only mommies who can speak English or better yet, PM me your phone number so I can call you to do all the talking for me.
Come on, you must be kidding.
I used to help out newbies, but got tired of having to front the taxi bill, waiting for them all the time, not even being offered dinner or a beer and most importantly, not even a thank you! I learned that my time is important to me and should not be wasted on such inconsiderate assholes.
Here's a suggestion for you; Befriend someone who knows the area, rather than writing a post like: I am coming to China for 3 days "Where's the pussy? "
You actually do some research about where you are going first (I. E. Google SZ) then more specifically, come to ISG and RTFF on the area you want to hunt in (SZ has 6 districts, but usually only 3 are reported for mongering Luohu, Futian, Nanshan. See, I just helped you again). Write them a PM and ask them if they wouldn't MIND helping you.
Maybe that's a good idea. He is always looking to increase his coven of worshippers.
Why don't you hire a interpreter while you are here, this way it does not require you to have to waste time learning a little bit of Chinese. Here is a website: www.szparty.com
Or
May I suggest Pimsleurs or Chinesepod? Maybe he had a mosquito bite and was saying "itch, itch"? I mean seriously, I am a white guy here with limited speaking skills, but I would never post something like this, nor expect anyone to try and decipher it.
Good Luck,
-CPEIt was a joke! I thoought it was funny.
shenzhen is tough because its a large populous area and therefore background geography is important. language helps.
we do await a post with something useful in to the rest of the board.
bsk
none of this is directed at you personally bsk. just a few points i would like to make.
i think these 2 factors are what causes most of the friction between newbies and the "old timers." newbies don't realize how big shenzhen is. to put it in perspective, the 8 million people in shenzhen make is as populous as new york city. it's a big fucking place. newbies come on and basically ask, "where can i get action?" the problem with a question like that is that it's no where specific enough. even if you break it down to districts, and say something like, "where can i get action in futian?" that's like asking, where can i find action in manahattan in nyc. manhattan covers everything from the battery to right before the bronx.
also, a lot of times, people stay at unfamiliar hotels, there's friggin hundreds of hotels in shenzhen, and not everyone will know where each and every one of them are. to make it worse, even the "old timers" have trouble remembering road names. concerning roads, the worst is when someone says, "i'm on shennan lu," which pretty much goes through most of the city and takes almost an hour by car from one end to the other.
aside from the basic question of "where can i get laid," there are lots of guys who ask too specific things. it's not like we're pimps on here and it's not like we work for the board. as seaj has remarked, most of the regulars on the board have full time jobs. i remember one guy recently asking something like, "i want a really pretty girl in her 20's who can speak enough english to also be a translator for me and spend about 7 days together day and night." wtf??? we're not some sort of human resources department for hookers. aside from the fact that none of us would know someone like this or if we did, we would keep her for ourselves, china isn't some kind of do it yourself hooker paradise where you just fill in your requirements and someone brings out your order. i think a lot of newbies need to get over that idea.
you know what kind of posts crack me up the most? when somebody posts a picture of some girl and some newbie comes on and asks, "where can i find that girl?" people post pictures of lost children in thousands if not hundreds of thousands of venues hoping to find them and they're rarely found. it took interpol the help of hundreds of millions of people on the internet to find one **** a couple weeks ago. somehow though, newbies think some random hooker posted on a bulletin board can be found just around the corner.
lastly, there's the expectation from a large number of newbies that english is spoken in china. why on earth they expect that i have no idea. it's not like chinese tourists or businessmen go to the us expecting everybody over there to be able to speak usable mandarin. i've seen it time and time again where american guys think that the louder or slower they speak english to a chinese person, they'll understand what they're saying. all i have to say is... if the chinese person spoke chinese louder and slower, would you understand them? of course not, but there's this weird expectation from english speakers that english is spoken here. to make it even weirder, they expect hookers, the vast majority who are village girls with very limited education, to speak english.
basically, i think newbies expect too much from us. they want us to hold their hand and give them point by point directions on how to do everything. i said it before and i'll say it again, we're not pimps and we're not a travel service. most of us are just like minded people who are willing to share some info if we feel like it. there's no obligation on anybody's part to share anything. don't ask us to plan your itinerary for you. that's not what we do. don't as us to find the perfect girl for you. that's not what we do. what we do is help those who are willing to be a little adventurous and willing to help themselves. if some newbies think we "old timers" don't post anything worthwhile, let me counter by saying: without us "old timers" there is no good info in this thread. none. zip. nada.
for the most part, every major area in shenzhen where girls can be found in quantity has been reported on multiple times, for seibu, i would even say hundreds if not thousands of times. there's even one guy with the handle, "livefromseibu." most of the major ktvs in luohu have been reported on numerous times as have some of the bigger establishments in futian. massage joints galore have been reported about. how often should the "old timers" repost info for newbies? you have to understand, the "old timers" also get tired of reposting the same info over and over too. yes, there is a ton of bs on this thread, but you know what? it takes 2 seconds to skim over a bs post. if a newbie is too lazy to read the forum for 30-40 pages and skim over the bs, then he's not worth our time. if a newbie reads the forum and asks specific somewhat informed questions, then more often than not, he gets a helpful reply.
Rockabilly77
05-15-08, 08:26
Read Carefully: There is only about half a dozen "areas" in Shenzhen for mongering on a large scale: Seibu, Pink Apts, Concubine Village, Heavens Gate (never remember the Chinese name), Shangri-La, and over in Futian by the Wal-mart.
Otherwise, most of the other places maybe are 1, 2 or 3 shops for the locals. Some report these, but the majority of us never go there.
There are 1, 000's of Massage joints and KTV's in SZ. Most of the time, we "Old Timers" have our fav's and usually we report about them (but hesitant lately to share info with forum idiots).
Majority of the time, like in my case, I will see a joint and just go in to try out the services. **This is how new reports are created and keep the forums fresh**
Sometimes we report retreads: I. E. Seibu is alive and kicking tonight and this is what happend to me. Or it's dead as fuck tonight and more cops than hookers.
Some people want us to spoon feed them: I. E. Ok Seibu is across from the Panglin Hotel in Luohu, but how do I get to Luohu and what is Luohu? I mean come on folks, if you are coming to Shenzhen for business or pleasure, research a little bit. Do people not know how to Google Shenzhen or pull a map from the internet?
We "Contibutors" do this to tell others our experiences. We are not paid travel guides, nor do we work for ISG.
I especially like the posts: I am coming to Shenzhen, can anyone give me the name of mommies that have the best looking girls? BTW: I don't speak Chinese so I need only mommies who can speak English or better yet, PM me your phone number so I can call you to do all the talking for me.
Come on, you must be kidding.
I used to help out newbies, but got tired of having to front the taxi bill, waiting for them all the time, not even being offered dinner or a beer and most importantly, not even a thank you! I learned that my time is important to me and should not be wasted on such inconsiderate assholes.
Here's a suggestion for you; Befriend someone who knows the area, rather than writing a post like: I am coming to China for 3 days "Where's the pussy? "
You actually do some research about where you are going first (I. E. Google SZ) then more specifically, come to ISG and RTFF on the area you want to hunt in (SZ has 6 districts, but usually only 3 are reported for mongering Luohu, Futian, Nanshan. See, I just helped you again). Write them a PM and ask them if they wouldn't MIND helping you.
Maybe that's a good idea. He is always looking to increase his coven of worshippers.
Why don't you hire a interpreter while you are here, this way it does not require you to have to waste time learning a little bit of Chinese. Here is a website: www.szparty.com
Or
May I suggest Pimsleurs or Chinesepod? Maybe he had a mosquito bite and was saying "itch, itch"? I mean seriously, I am a white guy here with limited speaking skills, but I would never post something like this, nor expect anyone to try and decipher it.
Good Luck,
-CPEI happen to agree with your post. I did my reading and found Seibu myself, found them at wallmart, went to ktvs. There isn't any past posts of me asking where it was or how to find it. I researched and like I said I went out and played it by ear. I don't expect people to draw me a map or anything near it. Nor would I want that, I enjoy going into a new area and exploring.
I just bothered me to see so many RTFF, I rember when I made my first trip I was doing "the research" and it bothered me then, it made it harder when somethings could simply be answered agian. I'm making another trip and I thought I could get some further insight so thats why I came here. I read the RTFF and replied to it because I have a opinion on that.
I value the thread and its content but don't value people making other people feel stupid because they didn't like there questions.
Thats where it begins and ends.
i think you are right on the money.
there is lots of good stuff on this board for newbies.
i got a lot from reading threads from you, seaj, cpexpat, etc etc
i encourage newbies to do their research - reading moody's thread below would be an excellent start.
none of this is directed at you personally bsk. just a few points i would like to make.
i think these 2 factors are what causes most of the friction between newbies and the "old timers." newbies don't realize how big shenzhen is. to put it in perspective, the 8 million people in shenzhen make is as populous as new york city. it's a big fucking place. newbies come on and basically ask, "where can i get action?" the problem with a question like that is that it's no where specific enough. even if you break it down to districts, and say something like, "where can i get action in futian?" that's like asking, where can i find action in manahattan in nyc. manhattan covers everything from the battery to right before the bronx.
also, a lot of times, people stay at unfamiliar hotels, there's friggin hundreds of hotels in shenzhen, and not everyone will know where each and every one of them are. to make it worse, even the "old timers" have trouble remembering road names. concerning roads, the worst is when someone says, "i'm on shennan lu," which pretty much goes through most of the city and takes almost an hour by car from one end to the other.
aside from the basic question of "where can i get laid," there are lots of guys who ask too specific things. it's not like we're pimps on here and it's not like we work for the board. as seaj has remarked, most of the regulars on the board have full time jobs. i remember one guy recently asking something like, "i want a really pretty girl in her 20's who can speak enough english to also be a translator for me and spend about 7 days together day and night." wtf??? we're not some sort of human resources department for hookers. aside from the fact that none of us would know someone like this or if we did, we would keep her for ourselves, china isn't some kind of do it yourself hooker paradise where you just fill in your requirements and someone brings out your order. i think a lot of newbies need to get over that idea.
you know what kind of posts crack me up the most? when somebody posts a picture of some girl and some newbie comes on and asks, "where can i find that girl?" people post pictures of lost children in thousands if not hundreds of thousands of venues hoping to find them and they're rarely found. it took interpol the help of hundreds of millions of people on the internet to find one **** a couple weeks ago. somehow though, newbies think some random hooker posted on a bulletin board can be found just around the corner.
lastly, there's the expectation from a large number of newbies that english is spoken in china. why on earth they expect that i have no idea. it's not like chinese tourists or businessmen go to the us expecting everybody over there to be able to speak usable mandarin. i've seen it time and time again where american guys think that the louder or slower they speak english to a chinese person, they'll understand what they're saying. all i have to say is... if the chinese person spoke chinese louder and slower, would you understand them? of course not, but there's this weird expectation from english speakers that english is spoken here. to make it even weirder, they expect hookers, the vast majority who are village girls with very limited education, to speak english.
basically, i think newbies expect too much from us. they want us to hold their hand and give them point by point directions on how to do everything. i said it before and i'll say it again, we're not pimps and we're not a travel service. most of us are just like minded people who are willing to share some info if we feel like it. there's no obligation on anybody's part to share anything. don't ask us to plan your itinerary for you. that's not what we do. don't as us to find the perfect girl for you. that's not what we do. what we do is help those who are willing to be a little adventurous and willing to help themselves. if some newbies think we "old timers" don't post anything worthwhile, let me counter by saying: without us "old timers" there is no good info in this thread. none. zip. nada.
for the most part, every major area in shenzhen where girls can be found in quantity has been reported on multiple times, for seibu, i would even say hundreds if not thousands of times. there's even one guy with the handle, "livefromseibu." most of the major ktvs in luohu have been reported on numerous times as have some of the bigger establishments in futian. massage joints galore have been reported about. how often should the "old timers" repost info for newbies? you have to understand, the "old timers" also get tired of reposting the same info over and over too. yes, there is a ton of bs on this thread, but you know what? it takes 2 seconds to skim over a bs post. if a newbie is too lazy to read the forum for 30-40 pages and skim over the bs, then he's not worth our time. if a newbie reads the forum and asks specific somewhat informed questions, then more often than not, he gets a helpful reply.
This is my favorite!
Don't ask this, don't ask that. Get a education, then join the club!
LOL
I don't want to join the old boys club, I joined this forum thats enough for me.
Glad you enjoyed my comments, and I stand by my assertion that the best (and some would say only) way to become a contributing member of this forum is to join the club. Why? Because by it's very nature a club is a collective group of people with like interests who reciprocate and share information. What ISG-China is NOT is a concierge service, with a staff that is there to answer the same basic questions day after day. That sort of information is readily available to one and all by researching the archives and RTFF.
I believe what you are looking for is the book, “South China Mongering for Dummies”. Unfortunately it is out of print. Until we can order more copies I’m afraid you will just have to RTFF. As others have said mongering in China is definitely not the same as mongering in Thailand, the Philippines, and other more western acclimated locations. Almost every facet of life here is different, and most mongering locations are for locals and Asians, not westerners. That doesn’t mean they will not take your money, but it does mean that you should expect to have to work harder to get what you desire.
Sukhumvitter
05-16-08, 01:52
I believe what you are looking for is the book, “South China Mongering for Dummies”. Unfortunately it is out of print. Until we can order more copies I’m afraid you will just have to RTFF. As others have said mongering in China is definitely not the same as mongering in Thailand, the Philippines, and other more western acclimated locations. Almost every facet of life here is different, and most mongering locations are for locals and Asians, not westerners. That doesn’t mean they will not take your money, but it does mean that you should expect to have to work harder to get what you desire.
Excellent Idea!!!!
All newbies... you can order my e-book "Shenzhen Monger's guide" for 29.99 plus shipping and handling (!). Simply send me a PM request and your credit card info, and it'll be on it's way!
I just *knew* I'd find a way to make a living in China!
:-)
"It is more blessed to give, than to receive."
(biblical quote, I believe)
Applicable to newbies (like me) and even the more experienced samplers in China.
If you are a newbie, start by contributing.
JMPOV.
P13
SE Asia Joe
05-16-08, 04:53
Summary:
I don't care what you think, I don't care what others feel - I am THE Big F....g Deal.
And..... it's OK for me to insult one and all - but don't anybody DARE to insult me back!
SEAJ
Well I guess I could read thru your posts and pick them apart but I really don't care.
I tould you what I thought, I think being rude to people who ask questions that don't reach your level of intellect is ignorant.
Who cares that you live in China, and you know more then most. The fact is there isn't a need for ignorant responces to someones stupid questions. If you don't want to share your knowledge then don't, if youve responded to a prevous questions already and feel your repeating yourself then don't answer it again. If you don't like there question don't respond to it! Move on!
You say your busy but you have time to make people feel smaller then you by making them feel stupid.
I think its bullshit, and thats my opinion. If you want to get offended and try to disect my words then go hard. It doesnt make a diffrence to me. I get the impression you think this is your forum and you and look down on newbies like your better then them. Whatever bud. Call me a idiot call me what you will. I think its funny. The "old boys club" must have been spot on.
I've met many people with simular intrests as me and have shared stories with them. When I meet someone new to the hobby I do my best to help them out. I guess I'm just stupid and if I'm ever asked a question I should just refer them to the search button and tell them to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off. I made my comments based on what I read. I did my research prior to coming over, I read every night for a few weeks prior to coming over. I understand peoples frustration with trying to learn about a area they haven't been before.
This is a forum for people to share there infromation and or come to learn about the hobby
Sorry pal I just don't agree with you and if you need to insult me then go hard but it doesnt change my opinion that this is not your forum and the newbies are only trying to learn and shouldnt have to be told what they can and can't ask. Simply don't flippen answer!
As for the crack head. Your right who cares. I don't but others do, the topic comes up again and again. Who are you or I to say that the topic should or shouldnt be talked about. What is pointless dribble to you is a intresting topic for others.
I'm glad you think I'm a idiot. I think its funny that youve wasted all this time on this, as such a busy part time hobbiest.
As for what I think of you I think its pretty clear. I don't need to say it.
I'll be in your area June 6th, I'll be the guy talkng with others and enjoying myself. I look for the ahole who thinks hes better then everyone because he lives there.
What is the purpose of this Forum? The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women.
Thats what I came here to do, I didn't come here to get into a pissing match with you. If you read my posts I asked questions aswell as made my comments. My questions were stupid so I guess your answer will be RTFF!
SE Asia Joe
05-16-08, 04:55
This is my favorite!
Don't ask this, don't ask that. Get a education, then join the club!
LOL
I don't want to join the old boys club, I joined this forum thats enough for me.
Wonder why his reports are delayed?
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
05-16-08, 04:57
It was a joke! I thoought it was funny.
I guess Idiots DO make idiotic statements.
Lol
I must have really got you going.
My business is doing just fine thnx. Id be happy to sit down with you when I arrive and compare chips.
Good on you. Compare chips?? Idiot!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
05-16-08, 05:02
I just bothered me to see so many RTFF,
I value the thread and its content but don't value people making other people feel stupid because they didn't like there questions.
Thats where it begins and ends.
Feel stupid?? Nobody MADE you to feel stupid.
SEAJ
Old Mean Dog
05-16-08, 05:02
Excellent Idea!!!!
All newbies... you can order my e-book "Shenzhen Monger's guide" for 29.99 plus shipping and handling (!). Simply send me a PM request and your credit card info, and it'll be on it's way!
I just *knew* I'd find a way to make a living in China!
:-)
Just shoot another "99 Dates" video, but Chinese version this time! Your PI one was really good!
If you want a good book for Shenzhen, minus the sex of course, you can see a brand new publication here:
http://www.szcityguide.com/?
-CPE
SE Asia Joe
05-16-08, 05:07
Typical of the kind of trash we do NOT appreciate coming over to our shores to screw things up.
Too many of these BSD/BFD's who are used to the "way things are" in Thailand, Phillippines etc, and expecting - no demanding - that China/us China ISG'ers got to "shape up."
SEAJ
Rockabilly77
05-16-08, 05:13
Glad you enjoyed my comments, and I stand by my assertion that the best (and some would say only) way to become a contributing member of this forum is to join the club. Why? Because by it's very nature a club is a collective group of people with like interests who reciprocate and share information. What ISG-China is NOT is a concierge service, with a staff that is there to answer the same basic questions day after day. That sort of information is readily available to one and all by researching the archives and RTFF.
I believe what you are looking for is the book, “South China Mongering for Dummies”. Unfortunately it is out of print. Until we can order more copies I’m afraid you will just have to RTFF. As others have said mongering in China is definitely not the same as mongering in Thailand, the Philippines, and other more western acclimated locations. Almost every facet of life here is different, and most mongering locations are for locals and Asians, not westerners. That doesn’t mean they will not take your money, but it does mean that you should expect to have to work harder to get what you desire.
Actually I wasnt really looking for anything when I posted my first post on here. Like I have said over and over I have RTFF and have been sucessfull in my 1 trip thus far. I'll be back shortly and I'm sure I'll be more succesfull and perhaps then I will be able to add to this forum in a productive way. I'm not a writer and often don't post but do enjoy the read. I was just trying to post my opinion and didn't expect such backlash from it. The member I qouted actually responded very maturly to my post and there was no problem at all. Or so I thought.
I personally don't have alot of questions about what to do when I get there or where to find the best girls ect. I've been there and although I don't know the langauge and the city at all I will learn. The day I got back from my first trip I started searching for the best way to learn the language the fastest. I've been told a tutor would be better then a book and that is the route I am going.
My questions would be more about a sugestion of a great KTV to check out or a members favorite bar/disco, sugestions about how to get past the language barrier, a good hotel, ect.
I don't think those are unfair questions and I don't think I'm hear beating my chest saying me want sex now.
I agree with all that say China is a totally diffrent can of worms then Thailand, and frankly thats what I like about it! Its new, its diffrent and its not so easy, sleazy and in your face. To me I find it more classy, it has a dark side and a upscale side. I also find the woman to be refreshinly prettier then in Thailand (but I think thats more because China is new to me).
Anyways I'm not looking for a handbook here, I was just posting my opinion is all. But a FAQ would save alot of this and the old boys could simply say "have you read the FAQ's yet" that would be easier then pooring thru 40-50 pages before realizing that there isn't the info you were looking for. Most people probably give up after searching thru the first few months and then ask th e stupid questions!
On my first trip I found some great maps posted by someone that made it very easy for me, that type of stuff should be easy access for newbies, as it will end alot of the repetive questions.
Old Mean Dog
05-16-08, 05:22
Maybe what Jackson should do is shitcan all the reports in the SZ thread, then everyone can start new ones. I mean after all, we "Old Boys" already know where to go for action, so this will make the freshmen have to step up and file a report.....or then again, it might just end up being a bunch of demands from newbies looking to be spoon fed.
-CPE
BTW: Someone put SE Asia Joe back in his cage before he bites someone!! To think someone told me you were a meek and mild mannered guy...HAH!
SE Asia Joe
05-16-08, 05:49
Maybe what Jackson should do is shitcan all the reports in the SZ thread, then everyone can start new ones. I mean after all, we "Old Boys" already know where to go for action, so this will make the freshmen have to step up and file a report.....or then again, it might just end up being a bunch of demands from newbies looking to be spoon fed.
-CPE
BTW: Someone put SE Asia Joe back in his cage before he bites someone!! To think someone told me you were a meek and mild mannered guy...HAH!
Apologies guys - but this hillbilly really got to me with his "I don't give a damn about y'all - I AM the BFD" attitude.
You, I and most of the regulars here do make an effort to help these newbies out - and these newbies who do not RTFF ARE already a nuisance - but this guy actually comes along and start blasting one and all - even taunting "go ahead, blast me, I dont care etc." And this when he never even asked anything in the first place and no one even asked him specifically to RTFF.
Perhaps we should just ignore those who asks idiotic questions WITHOUT telling them to RTFF. Just ignore them and save all this hassle.
SEAJ
Rockabilly77
05-16-08, 05:51
Typical of the kind of trash we do NOT appreciate coming over to our shores to screw things up.
Too many of these BSD/BFD's who are used to the "way things are" in Thailand, Phillippines etc, and expecting - no demanding - that China/us China ISG'ers got to "shape up."
SEAJYour shores!
Your board also?
Typical trash you say. Haha you have no idea,
Give it a rest, get over yourself, shake your fist at this post, maybe hit your computer and go back to work.
Maybe later you can write another post about how I am a know nothing, trashy, idiot that doesnt have the right to post a opinion on YOUR BOARD and shouldnt have the right to land my feet on YOUR SHORES. Then perhaps you should take out your pen and draw a map and circle all of YOUR stomping grounds so all us newbies can be sure not to infringe on YOUR teritory with our trashy newbie ways.
Rockabilly77
05-16-08, 06:09
If you RTFF and do your homework, you will find a wealth of good information here. There is even a search button at the top of the page for your consideration. What we "Old Boys" dislike is:
1. Someone too lazy to RTFF and do their homework
2. Beggars who give nothing back to the forum
3. Non-paying members who want free handouts
4. BSD's that come here and and overpay for everything
Also remember, that along with the Shanghai crew, those of us who live, work and contribute the most to this thread, are a very close group. We do luncheons, saunas and monger together.
If you have a question about something that has not been covered, you should not feel intimidated to post or PM. If you have something to contribute, then by all means do so.
Regards,
CPEThis is a respectful mature responce to my post that would probably encourage others to engage in the topic I brought up.
I knew full well, that when I posted that I did I would be asking for at least one narrowminded person to attack me. So that is why I wrote this.
I'm not trying to be a dink but it seems to me that the people in the China section are alot less helpful and less unforgiving then others.
Sorry if this came across wrong to you guys, I just get frustrated sometimes when I spend hours searching all the boards educating myself in areas I travel and then when I do have a questions I get the feeling I'll be blasted and told to read instead of receiving a incitfull responce.
For those of you that want to blast this post, go hard fellas. I also spell terrible so you have plenty of ammo.I didn't think that what I said was a rude thing to say and I still don't! I even sugested that you all could take some shots at my poor spelling if need be.
ignoring questions one doesn't feel like giving an actual answer to would be much less time consuming for all...
Feel stupid?? Nobody MADE -tried to make- you to feel stupid.
SEAJ
BTW,
I banged the abortion girl...
Nuf said.
Rockabilly77
05-16-08, 06:15
Feel stupid?? Nobody MADE you to feel stupid.
SEAJYour right nobody did make me to feel stupid. LOL
But your trying your hardest. Just like you try with others who post a question that you deem is not adiquit enough for your forum.
Rockabilly77
05-16-08, 06:29
Wonder why his reports are delayed?
SEAJPerhaps you can answer that for me.
I wish I could respond to your crap as fast as it spews out of your mouth.
Rockabilly77
05-16-08, 07:02
Anyways.
I'm gonna do the right thing here and end this back and forth bull between me and those who don't agree with my opinions and choose to insult me instead of entering into a mature debate about the topic.
I'm sure youve all had enough of it.
BTW: Someone put SE Asia Joe back in his cage before he bites someone!! To think someone told me you were a meek and mild mannered guy...HAH!
Warning: Do not rattle King Hong's cage. :D
SE Asia Joe
05-16-08, 08:43
ignoring questions one doesn't feel like giving an actual answer to would be much less time consuming for all...
BTW,
I banged the abortion girl...
Nuf said.
Good on Ya' there you dirty old man!
So tell us - did you give her the RMB4,000 or not or the lesser amount we all told you it'd cost?
And please do tell us if the wait and the expenses worthed or not.
In other words - come on - more please - and no NOT 'nuf said!!
SEAJ
Hello,
Will stay in March for 10 days in Shenzhen. Doing litte business in HK and Shenzhen, but doing more holiday for myself.
So what I all want to do is:
1. Each day a long total massage for my poor body. For health and for getting hot for the night.
2. Each night a girl for LT. But not only for the night. Want to spend with her also some time for shopping and going to dinner and sightseeing. I want to learn something about chinese culture.
3. Not too far to go to hk ( so near LoWu or near Shekou for the ferry)
Which area is okay for the hotel. Near LoWu or near Shekou?
I have been to hk and to shenzhen last year, so I have a little idea about these places. Also I speak very little mandarine (want to learn more due daily exercise in shenzhen).
Thanks!
This is the kind of post that pisses everybody off. So tell me what this guy wants us to do? He wants us to:
1) Select a location for him either Lowu or Shekou so he can be near HK.
2) Arrange a massage for him everyday so he can be healthy and hot for the night.
3) Find a girl for him, but not just for sex, he wants her to be a tour guide, dinner companion, and teach him something about Chinese culture. I presume that means she will have to speak English to perform these functions since he speaks very little Mandarin.
I'm surprised he didn't ask us to book a limo for him from the airport to the hotel and then dinner reservations and tickets to a show somewhere. Furthermore, the tone of his post is demanding, as if he EXPECTS us to arrange all this for him somehow. Like I said before, we're not Travel Agents/Pimps/Tour Guides/Human Resources. We're just regular people willing to help out if we feel like it. Nothing more, nothing less.
Maybe somebody in South China should do what that guy in Shanghai does. Perform these kinds of services for a fee. From what I gather, he goes and gets 150RMB girls from somewhere and charges guys 1000RMB or something, gives the girls their 150RMB and pockets the rest. Furthermore, I think someone told me he also plays tour guide for like 2000-3000RMB a day or something. Maybe some of the "old timers" should do that. That way, if a newbie comes along asking for something like the guy above, we can just say, call SOANDSO, he'll arrange everything.
Moody,
And such comments pisses me off too.
We have a phrase in germany:
There are no stupid questions, there are only stupid answers (or comments).
You dig up old comments and then you feel very strong. poor Moody! You read some words and you know all about me. Seems you are full of prejudices.
And maybe this forum narrows your horizon. Not good for your character.
Other members like SE or OAH: For me this forum increases my horizon. Because there are many many wise comments.
Moody, we have a word in germany:
Tolerance.
Learn it!
As I remember, you weren’t in the “we all” that actually gave good, numeric replies, to my uncommon question through my RTFFings & searches…
I think You need to RTFF to refresh your memory as to my willingness to pay as I already answered that question & would rather waste time fuckin with you & taking up space instead of giving a quick simple answer, after all, my post count is growing, I may climb the ranks & someday become a part of the club. `Ha :)
& Yes, she is worth the money I now spend on a nicer grade hotel than I’d get on my own, meals & a little shopping while there.
& no, she didn’t get an abortion in the end, said her period finally came 2 months late... Best I can put together, as one member here mentioned may be the case, her boy found out I was working her & tried to capitalize on it, but they didn’t think it through, it backfired on him in a way as I’m now doing er mostly for free & I “think” he doesn’t know. I now joke with her that if she asked for a reasonable amount, it would have been in her bank that day, it works great for the guilt factor, it’s how I finally got her in my room.
I now know the cost of a non-complicated abortion from a relatively competent doctor runs between 300 & 5000 Yuan, depending on the location, quality of the hospital & how far along she is. I’ve talked to a few girls about it since, it should cost under a grand in most locations for a simple abortion.
In Dongguan city, (wrong thread, I know) it was 400 for a friend that was 22 days pregnant, she said If more than 3 months it’s 800 to 1000 there. I never did her, a normal, open friend.
Another tidbit of info for chasing Chinese freebies;
If you can get a female you’re working to do something that should or does anger you, often, her making you unangry will be in bed.
I’ve learned to try & set up girls so she’ll not come through her promise, if she is acting the “good girl”, being true to her word will appear important to her. Set up times ya know she can’t keep, or wait till the opportune time to tell her I’m aware she has a boyfriend, or money things.
Then stop talking to her out of supposed anger, they can’t handle losing the game & not being chased… Usually doesn’t take long before she is `trying harder to make you like her again. Having her stand you up is best, then you tell her you’ll not wait / meet outside for her anymore, she Has To come to your place or not see ya.
&….
I wasn’t defending guys that post the kind quoted by Moody & other lazy questions seen so often, I fully agree those type posts aren’t what the forum is about.
Sometimes I remember how many hours I spent / spend reading back through old or catching up if away from the forum long, I can understand some of the questions asked about by guys that don’t & haven’t read daily.
OldAsiaHand
05-16-08, 18:04
I call for a truce. There has been nearly 3 whole pages of flaming back and forth on this thread.
I also get pissed off when newbies do not RTFF and ask questions like, "I will be in SZ next week, where can I get laid?" This is because I have posted the information numerous times myself and posted periodic updates on my favorite areas when I visit them to keep the info current. All of us "Old Boys" do this. This is how we contribute to the forum.
As Sukumviter posted, Seibu was rocking at 10:00PM on Wed. A couple of the shops tried to charge laowai surcharges with quotes of 200-300 RMB. I did not do the little girl with the huge rack since she was hesitant about giving head when I enquired. I ended up with a tall girl that also insisted on CBJ in the room. Service was just average.
When I left the area around midnight, there must have been 50-60 SW on the road leading out to the Panglin. The mamasans are aggressive. I was even offered a "virgin" for 3,000 RMB. They will try anything for the business.
Last night, a buddy took me to some BBS in Shekou. There were 5 shops in an alley just off Nanhai Road, south of the Walmart. There were a few doable girls, but the overall quality were in the 4-5 range. Nearly every girl I asked refused BBBJ. One shop tried to overcharge us and one mama asked for the money upfront. We walked from both. Finally, picked a girl from another shop but she changed her mind about BBBJ in the room. The mamasan changed her for a pig. At that point, I just wanted to pop and hit the road so I agreed. Overall, a poor experience. Area not recommended.
I am a big fan of BBBJ. I will usually not take a girl if she is not willing to provide this service. Is the refusal of BBBJ becoming a trend in Shenzhen or was it just bad luck?
OAH
On my first trip I found some great maps posted by someone that made it very easy for me, that type of stuff should be easy access for newbies, as it will end alot of the repetive questions.
Here is the best map ever of Shenzhen. Not only does it give road names, it also names almost every POI that exists in Shenzhen. To make it even better, it's scalable, you can zoom in and out to find the place you're looking for. It even names the Polison convenience store (like a 7-11 store) they have downstairs from my place.
You can find it here:
http://uemap.com/map/shenzhen/
The only problem, like every other useful map of Shenzhen, it's in Mandarin...
Last night, a buddy took me to some BBS in Shekou. There were 5 shops in an alley just off Nanhai Road, south of the Walmart. There were a few doable girls, but the overall quality were in the 4-5 range. Nearly every girl I asked refused BBBJ. One shop tried to overcharge us and one mama asked for the money upfront. We walked from both. Finally, picked a girl from another shop but she changed her mind about BBBJ in the room. The mamasan changed her for a pig. At that point, I just wanted to pop and hit the road so I agreed. Overall, a poor experience. Area not recommended.
The mommy probably didn't realize you're not like most foreigners and actually possess a Chinese sense of Chinese beauty. Pretty soon, you're gonna grow your pinky nail long and start referring to white guys as "laowai." ;) ;) ;)
You know what Chinese guys say about Shekou. It's where all the ugly and over the hill girls go.
Sukhumvitter
05-17-08, 02:35
Here is a good map of the subway system in both Shenzhen and Hong Kong.
You can click on a subway station and zoom in... eventually the map changes to Google maps and you can see the area around the station.
http://www.johomaps.com/as/hongkong/hkmetro_ch.html
This will be useful when giving directions to mongering spots. If possible, use a subway station as a point of reference, and then give walking directions from that starting point.
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Holy pissing match Batman!
After all that, can we agree on this then?
What NOT to ask, and how NOT to ask:
1) Really general questions, especially about places/things that have been covered ad nauseum. Because RTFF is the correct answer in this case. E.G. I will be coming to Shenzhen, where can I find SEIBU?
2) Treating us like your personal lackey/travel agent, where you ask someone to setup everything for you. Especially when asked in a demanding tone, this is a real turn-off. As has been pointed out by CPExpat, we don't get paid for this.
So, then, what CAN you ask? What is a good question?
1) You cannot find SEIBU BBS. You have walked around and found SEIBU department store, Panglin hotel, Sunshine hotel, Queen's Spa, maybe even Jimmy's HK restaurant, and pretty much everything else around it, except for the BBS itself.
2) You want to hook up for a drink/meal and for companionship. It's always safer and more fun to go with some buddies.
3) You are in a relatively new and unexplored area. At least walk around a bit, and size up some places that have potential and ask about these places. Much better still if you have something to report, even if it is a mis-adventure or only marginally related to mongering. Whatever you have. You will be appreciated a lot more if you contribute, or try to contribute, instead of just asking.
For me this forum increases my horizon. Because there are many many wise comments.
Moody, we have a word in germany:
Tolerance.
Learn it!
We have a saying in the US too.
QUID PRO QUO
See, there lies the problem. You obviously read the forum regularly and you get a lot out of it. However, you contribute ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! If indeed we "increase your horizon," how about increasing ours with some of your own contributions? How about some info on where you stayed? Something simple as that gets you a lot of props on here. A couple of small contributions and people would have been more than willing to help you with suggestions. Until you contribute, you are nothing but a PARASITE. Until you contribute something, you will be nothing more than an object of derision for most on here.
We are not your friends, and we certainly aren't your lackeys, but why do you treat us like we are?? Instead of asking politely for help, you rudely demand we serve you. Maybe that's the way they do it Germany, but believe me, it's not like that anywhere else in the world. A little "quid pro quo" goes a long way here.
As for "Tolerance," why should I tolerate rude behavior?
-M
PS. I only chose that particular post because it was easy to find by doing a SEARCH on my own posts. Normally I don't even reply to lame posts. I only remember this one because it was so extreme in it's demands.
We have a saying in the US too.
QUID PRO QUO
See, there lies the problem. You obviously read the forum regularly and you get a lot out of it. However, you contribute ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! If indeed we "increase your horizon," how about increasing ours with some of your own contributions? How about some info on where you stayed?Moody,
I completely agree with you. I really agree with you.
Quid Pro Quo
What I complain is: You call me a parasite?
But I wasn´t in China yet. Had to change my travel plans. So don´t be so quick with condemning somebody.
And this is the point. Be a little bit more tolerant. There are so many reasons things are falling short of your expectations.
Anyway, good pops!
Fast Eddie 48
05-17-08, 09:40
I was in Shenzhen the last 4 days.
I'm flying home tomorrow.
Have a good time.
Many actions all over town.
Even the famous Sha Tsui is making a come back.
A few more bbs are open than 2 month ago, but nothing like 2 yr ago.
There are over 100 girls in the Seibu area, and there are a few bbs opening near Nanyuan Zhong area in Futian.
The girl in Seibu area have the best quality and service.
Stay at Xingyue Business Hotel near Seibu for 238 rmb a night with vip card.
It is across the street from Panglin Hotel.
Xingyue Business Hotel
2008 Jiabing rd 755-82182328
Fast eddie 48
The girl in Seibu area have the best quality and service.
Best quality (as in looks), I agree. Best service? Hm....
I was there (SEIBU) on Saturday night around 12-1 AM. Lots of good looking girls. But 3 times, the girls started runnning, and the shops closed their shutters. Probably just false alarm, as they all re-opened a few minutes later. But anyway, this shit makes me nervous so I decided to head over to HuBeiXinCun BBS instead. Not many shops at that time. The one I picked had a surprisingly good attitude for a BBS girl in Shenzhen. No hurrying whatsoever.
Excellent, thanks.
Here is a good map of the subway system in both Shenzhen and Hong Kong.
You can click on a subway station and zoom in... eventually the map changes to Google maps and you can see the area around the station.
http://www.johomaps.com/as/hongkong/hkmetro_ch.html
This will be useful when giving directions to mongering spots. If possible, use a subway station as a point of reference, and then give walking directions from that starting point.
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Fast Eddie 48
05-19-08, 07:32
Best quality (as in looks), I agree. Best service? Hm....
I was there (SEIBU) on Saturday night around 12-1 AM. Lots of good looking girls. But 3 times, the girls started runnning, and the shops closed their shutters. Probably just false alarm, as they all re-opened a few minutes later. But anyway, this shit makes me nervous so I decided to head over to HuBeiXinCun BBS instead. Not many shops at that time. The one I picked had a surprisingly good attitude for a BBS girl in Shenzhen. No hurrying whatsoever.Wadman,
I was also there on Saturday night around 6pm.
Over 100 girls.
You should have called me.
Yes they are very sensitive on raid and it happens all the time.
Stay in Shenzhen for 5 days and visit Seibu every night .
Fast eddie 48
Min Shenzhen
05-19-08, 09:45
Popped over to SeiBu today during lunch. About 30-40 ladies hanging around. A few bao an on the prowl but nothing that looked like an issue. Went with a sweet 19 year old with nice figure.
Service was excellent.
SE Asia Joe
05-19-08, 09:51
Holy pissing match Batman!
After all that, can we agree on this then?
What NOT to ask, and how NOT to ask:
1) Really general questions, especially about places/things that have been covered ad nauseum. Because RTFF is the correct answer in this case. E.G. I will be coming to Shenzhen, where can I find SEIBU?
2) Treating us like your personal lackey/travel agent, where you ask someone to setup everything for you. Especially when asked in a demanding tone, this is a real turn-off. As has been pointed out by CPExpat, we don't get paid for this.
So, then, what CAN you ask? What is a good question?
1) You cannot find SEIBU BBS. You have walked around and found SEIBU department store, Panglin hotel, Sunshine hotel, Queen's Spa, maybe even Jimmy's HK restaurant, and pretty much everything else around it, except for the BBS itself.
2) You want to hook up for a drink/meal and for companionship. It's always safer and more fun to go with some buddies.
3) You are in a relatively new and unexplored area. At least walk around a bit, and size up some places that have potential and ask about these places. Much better still if you have something to report, even if it is a mis-adventure or only marginally related to mongering. Whatever you have. You will be appreciated a lot more if you contribute, or try to contribute, instead of just asking.
Good suggestions - and after this list of yours we can be really clear as to who to reply to or agree to meet up with.
I believe that to a certain degree, the way a person posts reflects the kind of person he really is; at least that's the way I think.
NOW...... the only problem with this theory of mine is ..... the way I post!!! Good Lord!!
Peace and salutations to one and all!!
SEAJ
Waterfish7788
05-19-08, 12:29
Hi all
Stop over in shenzhen for a night on the 30th. Will be staying in at the Tianjun Business Hotel. Not much review on the hotel but from my online search kind of next to Panglin Hotel and close to seibu BBS.
Will attach a report once i got some action there.
Thanks
Waterfish.
Fast Eddie 48
05-19-08, 16:12
When to Bai Hua Zhou Sauna last night before heading home.
I got a VIP room.
Very good service.
90 min 428 rmb with 1 hr foot massage.
This place is near the Futain Walmart, a 10 min walk from the Vienna Hotel in Futain where I was staying .
Bai Hua Zhou Sauna
Fu Xiang Rd, corner of Fu Xing rd
0755-83397599
Girl: Xia Shu 7 Hubei tall slim
BBBJ: 7
Rimming: 6
GFE: 10
Looks: 7
2 shots : Yes
Fast eddie 48
Sukhumvitter
05-19-08, 19:02
Three days of mourning for SiChuan started today.
They sounded the air raid siren at 2:28 PM today for 3 min and all the buses stopped as did most cars. The workers in the garment factory across from my apartment (I can look right into their sewing floor) all stopped working and many were standing.
The gov't has restricted all "personal entertainment" for three days.
This means the cable TV stations are all turned off (a message about Sichuan appears) except news stations (only talking about Sichuan). This happened at midnight and will go for three days.
Places like movie theaters are closed.
All the bars were closed tonight. Including all the red light BBS shops. I heard the KTV's were also closed but I don't know first-hand. I did see that my favorite "Leisure Center" was still open, though I don't know about the VIP service options.
Some regular expat bars in Shekou stayed open because they were "restaurants". Police were enforcing bar closures with patrols and stopped into my local watering hole to shut it down. Fast talking by the owner about being a restaurant kept them open. As an appeasement, all the outside lights were off and the window blinds pulled down. I ordered a burger to help the cause!
No DVD street sellers out today (but that may be because of the rain).
They seem to be serious about this 3-day period. No "personal entertainment" by decree from Beijing! Should be back to normal on Thursday.
The local people here are very somber about Sichuan. The scale of the tragedy has affected most people. Also, I think they may not have see such open news coverage about a disaster before and so they are abit overwhelmed with the volume of images and news about the event.
A truly sad day for Sichuan and China.
Sukhumvitter
05-20-08, 17:03
Well, on the second night of the mourning period I found that not all the bbs' are closed.
The ones without a "bar" (a counter with a few bottles on it) are wide open, and the ones with a "bar" are open just alittle. They have a steal roll-up door that is closed to within a foot of the ground. The MaMa sits outside and when you approach she lifts the door! Open Sesame! LOL
This is more like how it is in CP behind the Hui Mei.
Bob Builder
05-20-08, 17:35
Was at Seibu at 10pm last night and and the whole street was full of people eating and drinking at the hotpot places. More than usual for a Monday night. If anything, not having anything to watch on tv drove everybody out onto the streets. All the bbs were open and plenty of Johns.
So much for closing all the legit entertainment venues.
As for all the shit that has been posted lately, it is unfortunate that this forum has been dominated a very few members with too much time on their hands and overopinionated. Try some restraint and don't use the phrase "RTFF". Yes, I mean you CP! I'm on the computer over 10 hours a day as well but don't have the compulsion to have to add a "RTFF" to just about every newbie request. If anyone is dumbass enough to offer free info and directions, expect everyone to think with their little heads and NOT follow all your rules and regulations regarding pricing and conduct. There you go "quid pro quo" or WTF. I mean you are providing free content for this forum whose owner is getting compensated handsomely. Typical fecking monger behaviour get to China get laid and want to show off to everyone how smart you are. Once guys actually use the info and spoil your little playground or ask for more info and you start feeling exploited and a little pissy.
Moody suggested doing a Dragon D but then DD gets shit from this board for profiteering. I think he gets paid what he deserves to hold the hand of some dumbass to get laid in China. I have had to do it for some of my pals. Try sitting in a KTV trying to have good time with your pal asking you "What did she say?" every 2 minutes. Learn the fecking language!
A place could be humming today and closed down tomorrow, e.g. went to 3 KTVs in one night last week before we could find any gals. Started in Sa Zui where it was fantastic 3 weeks ago, last week couldn't even get a lineup of more than 5 gals. Did a quick recon of the village and didn't even see 10 WGs. Did another at Xiang Sa at a KTV across the road from the Shun Le department store also no gals. Ended up on Sui Wai at the Harbour KTV where there were 100+ gals but that was neary 1am just in time to see some guys fighting outside with 1 guy getting kicked in the head about 10 times. Must have had a hellava hangover the next day.
If you have no info to post how about don't post anything here or go and play with AG.
How the feck am I going to get laid now that OAH is not going to give out any new info. I suppose I will have to get in a taxi and head out to Seibu behind the big boat out at Shekou.
Bob Builder
05-20-08, 18:43
Saw some guys drinking beer at the Jollibee on Chung Feng Lu shouting out "ISG" at passersby. Did anyone shout back?
Old Mean Dog
05-20-08, 20:07
Try some restraint and don't use the phrase "RTFF". Yes, I mean you CP!
Talk about opinionated, you should look at your dumbass posts. You add nothing but BS....Yes BB, I mean you.
I'm on the computer over 10 hours a day as well but don't have the compulsion to have to add a "RTFF" to just about every newbie request.
We all understand how difficult it must be for you to type one handed, since you probably have the other one on your crank as you pleasure yourself looking at porn on the computer.
Don't worry, you just made it on my dipshit, ignore list.
Feck off Bob.
-CPE
SE Asia Joe
05-21-08, 07:59
As for all the shit that has been posted lately, it is unfortunate that this forum has been dominated a very few members with too much time on their hands and overopinionated. Try some restraint and don't use the phrase "RTFF".
If you have no info to post how about don't post anything here or go and play with AG.
How the feck am I going to get laid now that OAH is not going to give out any new info. I suppose I will have to get in a taxi and head out to Seibu behind the big boat out at Shekou.
BB - from your postings, you come across to me as someone who is probably lots of fun IN PERSON, always joking around, taking the mickey out of friends and generally ahving a good time mongering around. I guess, not too unlike the way that I am when around friends.
Having said that though - could I perhaps remind you that such personae usually does not translate well in the context of the anonymous WWW. I've of late been reminded of this fact,even with guys that I DO know personally - but when joking around on the internet.
I also note that you take particular delight at aiming your leg pulling at some of the regular contributors here. Ones who do contribute and ones who does have at least the right to defend themselves against flames. Your and other's - "Don't tell us to RTFF" posts do nothing but just pisses of guys who do contribute. And note - these guys ARE the ones who contribute most of the info on these boards and without them you'd end up only with these once a year or even a lifetime visitors who really got nothing much to add to "the exchange of information ...."
BB - yes, some of your posts and your posting style probably reflects your real personae and is quite often easy and amusing to read - but your insults and snide remarks adds nothing.
OK - you tell us that these RTFF retorts waste bandwidith/makes reading difficult. But have you considered the fact that by you starting a flaming war, that you're wasting much more badwidth? A helluva lot more even than these guys who ask dumb questions - like one I just saw ///"Hi Chaps, Any action going on INSIDE the Sheraton? Thanks in advance, //(I just wrote sheraton on the search button and in 0.07 seconds, 21 reports popped up!) ....or when someone tells him to RTFF. And as for you gettting irritated and indignant at some being "overopinionated" - well, you could always skip these posts!!
Just In My Very Humble Opinion. Peace!
SEAJ
ps. if you know CPe, you'd know that he's someone that you wouldn't want to mess with!!
CPe - your turn - back in your cage!
Moody suggested doing a Dragon D but then DD gets shit from this board for profiteering. I think he gets paid what he deserves to hold the hand of some dumbass to get laid in China. I have had to do it for some of my pals. Try sitting in a KTV trying to have good time with your pal asking you "What did she say?" every 2 minutes. Learn the fecking language!
I personally think it's fine that DD offers his services for a fee. I completely understand there are a lot of guys out there who don't have the time or inclination to go exploring in a foreign country by themselves looking for what pretty much amounts to illegal activity. For those types of people with extra cash to blow, a tour guide is perfect. Not everyone is comfortable, especially with the language barrier, going around looking for what are sometimes very vague directions. If we had a guy like DD in South China, I guarantee he gets a ton of business.
I also completely understand the "universal translator" thing and I've had to play that more than a few times, although to be honest, early on in my China visits, I had to bother other friends to do the same for me. What goes around comes around. One of the reaons that I'm more reluctant lately to personally meet newbies from the board is this reason, hate doing the translator thing. I wouldn't want to do it, but I think if someone were to offer tour and translation services, he could make some decent pocket money.
Old Mean Dog
05-21-08, 11:23
BB - from your postings, you come across to me as someone who is probably lots of fun IN PERSON, always joking around, taking the mickey out of friends and generally ahving a good time mongering around. I guess, not too unlike the way that I am when around friends.
All you have to do is look back at his last 25 posts and you will see that he's an opinionated asshole who offers nothing new to the boards.
He is an antagonist, plain and simple.
He goes to Seibu once in awhile, he pays to fuck the trash in Wan Chi and once in a blue moon, he actually has a couple of friends that take him to KTV.
Anyway, I've added him to my ignore list and it's where he belonged long ago.
-CPE
BTW: #18 at the Walter is quality
Hi All,
Thanks so much for such valuable information found on this forum.
I'll be going to Shenzhen for a couple of nights soon, well not really Shenzhen, i think it's in Fuyong, probably near to where you get the ferry.
Anyway, I'll be staying at this Hotel and by looking at the website I have noticed they have a sauna with VIP rooms, etc. etc.:
http://www.hanyonghotel.com/ywb/well.htm
Has anyone been to this place?
By your experience, is this likely to be a "full service" sauna?
I shall hope so, I will definetely find out by myself anyway and report back, however I would appreciate a little input from the more experienced folks in here...
Cheers!
Talk about opinionated, you should look at your dumbass posts. You add nothing but BS....Yes BB, I mean you.
I've been lurking here ever since my short visit to Shenzhen in March.
It's fun to watch you guys :P
Rockabilly77
05-22-08, 06:27
I personally think it's fine that DD offers his services for a fee. I completely understand there are a lot of guys out there who don't have the time or inclination to go exploring in a foreign country by themselves looking for what pretty much amounts to illegal activity. For those types of people with extra cash to blow, a tour guide is perfect. Not everyone is comfortable, especially with the language barrier, going around looking for what are sometimes very vague directions. If we had a guy like DD in South China, I guarantee he gets a ton of business.
I also completely understand the "universal translator" thing and I've had to play that more than a few times, although to be honest, early on in my China visits, I had to bother other friends to do the same for me. What goes around comes around. One of the reaons that I'm more reluctant lately to personally meet newbies from the board is this reason, hate doing the translator thing. I wouldn't want to do it, but I think if someone were to offer tour and translation services, he could make some decent pocket money. I gotta agree with you, as a newbie with no knowledge of the language it is hard to have alot of success. Although it is possible and I made my way thru it with alot of pointing it is really hard.
I didn't realize the language barrier to its full extent until my fisrt trip. Thats what makes China alot harder for newbies, I was nieve in my thinking that english is spoken everywhere. I caught my freind repeating what he was trying to say over and over to people and have them repeating themself over and over agian in Chinese, you don't realise your doing it (they must hate that). I went to the soho my first night and couldn't figure out for the life of me how to get a drink or table, took me 40 minutes. But soon I figured it all out. Another hard one was restruants. When I wasnt with someone that spoke the language I had to walk around and look for menus with english or at least with pictures. My first night I stopped in at a place and they had neither, so we simply pointed at a few Chinese words on the menu and hoped for the best. Rolling the dice for dinner was alright but I prefer to at least think I know what I'm eating.
Anyways it can be done without knowing the language but it sure isn't that easy. I managed to make my way thru it all, but I'm sure I am missing out on a better experience not having knowledge of the language. Simply put, I don't think this is a place for a tourist coming soley for action. I think if you want to do it on your own you will need many trips and lots of time to get some good experience.
If there were a service, or a night school course or a newsletter id sign up!
Can I subscribe to anyones news letter?
Bob Builder
05-22-08, 08:30
I've been lurking here ever since my short visit to Shenzhen in March.
It's fun to watch you guys :P
Glasd you are as amused as I am.
Bob Builder
05-22-08, 08:41
Talk about opinionated, you should look at your dumbass posts. You add nothing but BS....Yes BB, I mean you.
That left me in tears…of hysterical laughter, hehe or is it supposed to be hoho. Must have hit a nerve too close to the truth to get that kind of heartfelt response. Seems like someone can dish it out but can’t take it. Just to borrow a phrase from CP, “JUST TELLING LIKE IT IS” but then there will be no further response from him as I am on his “ignore list”. Yeah, right.
If he ignored the other posts in the first place, there wouldn’t be so much trash here. I tried not to mention his name last time I tried to advise him to tone it down a notch then Moody mistook the post as aimed at him.
We all understand how difficult it must be for you to type one handed, since you probably have the other one on your crank as you pleasure yourself looking at porn on the computer.
What a lousy comeback? Is that the best that he could do? Childish insult about my hand on my crank! You might know how it is from personal experience but I on the other hand, pun intended, do type slow as I am having trouble balancing my glass of “Dimple” on top of the head of the gal whose mouth that “little bob” is in. Why would I need to look at porn when the real thing is a phone call way? Not to take away from brothers who don’t have the access or financial means to call a gal at will.
Don't worry, you just made it on my dipshit, ignore list.
Gee, I made it onto Dipshit's ignore list. So is that anything like the no fly list?
Feck off Bob.
-CPE
Thanks CP, love you too!
Bob Builder
05-22-08, 09:07
BB - from your postings, you come across to me as someone who is probably lots of fun IN PERSON, always joking around, taking the mickey out of friends and generally ahving a good time mongering around. I guess, not too unlike the way that I am when around friends.
Feck off Joe, don't try to make me sound like a nice guy!
I am a prick in real life as well as on the web, LOL!
Seen the dude, not frightened!
Bob Builder
05-22-08, 09:29
All you have to do is look back at his last 25 posts and you will see that he's an opinionated asshole who offers nothing new to the boards.
He is an antagonist, plain and simple.
Read my last 25 posts and the only one I should have offended is CP. Sure my hands up, I am an antagonist and here is focus of my attention and why:
LAO MA. Didn’t like his posts over a year ago that he said he was leaving the forum and never coming back as he thought this place was full of degenerates and perverts and ragged on guys who liked teenagers as he had kids that age. DUH, I think a website for *****mongering would probably the most likely place to find degenerates and perverts. He’s still around and actually writes some good posts about going to BBS in Shanghai. Unfortunately for him the jmajority of WGs in Southern China tend to be teenagers or just out of their teens and a Chung Nui is not middle aged but in their mid to late 20s. So I may have misinterpreted one of his jokes.
LUSTFORTHURST aka Huzi Something. For some reason he thinks Acer V and I are the same guy and Indian. Why he needed call Acer V “effeminate” and what he has against Indians, I don’t know. I used to have a laugh about his posts as there was more reference to how big his arms and pecs were that about the gal. I never gave him a hard time about the freebie stalker story which many thought were BS and actually think something that fecked up has gotta be true and not made up. This guy gets around the world and has the arrogance / confidence / aggessiveness to get what he wants and have a good time. Big stones to go along with the big arms and chest.
DragonD. Says he is saving the hookers from the evil pimps and brothel owners but should be kissing their asses for providing him with the gals. Just look at the intersection in front of the Panglin Hotel in Shenzhen. The stretch of road in front of the Sunshine hotel is where the freelance hookers. In front of the Seibu department store are the pimps and brothels in the village itself. So why are there 100s of gals on the Seibu side and 10+ on the Sunshine Hotel side and why don't all the gals just walk across and freelance in front of the Sunshine hotel. Pimps source the lovely gals that otherwise may not enter this game and provide a place of work, rooms with lovely clean sheets and towels, etc. They are usually there of their own free will and not sex slaves. It is also away that the powers that be can collect their cut. There is order in chaos.
Stray Cat. 2 weeks on the job and having to ask instructions for a BJ to god of Sichuan. Wonder if he is still alive. Told all the Southern China mongers that they were jumping his dregs. Too dumb to know that most gals don't work near their hometown so they dont run into Dad or 3rd Uncle off getting a quickie and lots of the gals down south don't come here looking to be WGs but follow their friends into the job after coming to Guangdong and finding honest work too hard and unrewarding. No, they don't walk to Guangdong and feck every peasant farmer and construction worker on the way down.
CPExpat! Mr. I can get special deal which leads to guys getting bent out of hape or feeling ripped off if they don't get one. Flying Dragon. I am sure you can get cheaper price for FS. The manager discussed pricing IN FRONT OF some dumbass “regulars” who have always paid the regular price. So I bet they felt stupid that some guy who has never been there before walks in off the street and gets a discount right off the bat. Johnnykon sure didn't get a discount. So he gets ripped off and paid the Lao Wei price for a while when he first gets here, get over it! Cyber Bully! Hammers the forum with a comment on just about everyones’ posts. Jumps on every newbie question with an automatic RTFF. If he hasn’t done it or believes your have done it, you are FOS and he doesn’t hold back in telling you. CP is dead! CP is dead! Its just after Chinese New Year and there are no gals in CP. They are never coming back! Just cause the actual holiday is 2 weeks doesn't mean the gals don't spend a little longer after spending all the time and money travelling home.
I will still give the guy his due in that he is a real pathfinder and has the stones to try out new places and report on them. Also seems to helped out some guys along the way.
But do you only want one guy’s take on things. Just compare what he contributes to what could be if he didn’t scare off guys from posting like Master Monger, OWL, AG and the ones that are lurking out there that may have posted.
I remember a guy reporting he met up with MM, got taken out and had a good time. Then they both dropped out of the forum. I'm guessing they are still mongering and not reporting cause they don't want to be told they are FOS.
Notice how I target antongonists and bullies! Have I left anyone out.
He goes to Seibu once in awhile, he pays to fuck the trash in Wan Chi and once in a blue moon, he actually has a couple of friends that take him to KTV.
Wow, that just about describes anyone here. Could be even CPExpat, OAH, Moody, Johnny? I actually go to Xiang Sai Cun about 5 days a week, have never paid to fuck anyone in Wan Chai and go to KTV 1-2 times a month. Do I really need to rush back and report on every gal I do? 5 reports a week of:
Name: Xiao Mei / Xiao Di / Xiao Li / Ah Ping / Ah Lai / Lic Dik (Pick 1)
Location:
Figure: 1 - 10
Face: 1 - 10
Attitude: 1 - 10
GFE: 1 - 10
Performance: 1 - 10
BBBJ / Rimming: Y/N
Price: RMB150 + RMB2 tip for BBBJ
Repeat: Y/N
I even do the same gal 3 times a week for 6 months. You get the picture! To me they are all about the same unless I get a particularly good or bad one that I need to report about. And how is this a big deal?
Anyway, I've added him to my ignore list and it's where he belonged long ago.
-CPE
BTW: #18 at the Walter is quality
Added to the ignore list 2 times? Is this a presidential decree that it had to be announced 2 times, just do it for Christ sakes! I don't log on and make an announcement every time I take a dump, do I? Or are you just lurking out there and restraining yourself from responding? Lets see how strong your resolve lasts.
Last time I saw this was still the "Shenzhen Forum" and not "CPExpat's Shenzhen Forum"
Bob "bully the bully" Builder ranted out!
SE Asia Joe
05-22-08, 10:38
And true to form CPBully strikes again! !
Nope - its True to Form, BOB BUILDER Strikes again.
And you've now posted a list - an actual list - of guys you've flamed?
Oh Wow!
Seems to be lots of......unresolved anger there my man!
SEAJ
Bob Builder
05-22-08, 10:47
Nope - its True to Form, BOB BUILDER Strikes again.
And you've now posted a list - an actual list - of guys you've flamed?
Oh Wow!
Seems to be lots of......unresolved anger there my man!
SEAJ
Nah, Joe just admitting to what I have done and why. Done, move on! No anger involved, just found the right buttons and released those Jack in the boxes as their springs were wound up too tight.
You know I was joking with you before right?
SE Asia Joe
05-22-08, 10:53
I gotta agree with you, as a newbie with no knowledge of the language it is hard to have alot of success. Although it is possible and I made my way thru it with alot of pointing it is really hard.
I didn't realize the language barrier to its full extent until my fisrt trip. Thats what makes China alot harder for newbies, I was nieve in my thinking that english is spoken everywhere. I caught my freind repeating what he was trying to say over and over to people and have them repeating themself over and over agian in Chinese, you don't realise your doing it (they must hate that). I went to the soho my first night and couldn't figure out for the life of me how to get a drink or table, took me 40 minutes. But soon I figured it all out. Another hard one was restruants. When I wasnt with someone that spoke the language I had to walk around and look for menus with english or at least with pictures. My first night I stopped in at a place and they had neither, so we simply pointed at a few Chinese words on the menu and hoped for the best. Rolling the dice for dinner was alright but I prefer to at least think I know what I'm eating.
Anyways it can be done without knowing the language but it sure isn't that easy. I managed to make my way thru it all, but I'm sure I am missing out on a better experience not having knowledge of the language. Simply put, I don't think this is a place for a tourist coming soley for action. I think if you want to do it on your own you will need many trips and lots of time to get some good experience.
If there were a service, or a night school course or a newsletter id sign up!
Can I subscribe to anyones news letter?
hmmmmm...reformed somewhere along the way??
Where's the "Hey I AM a BFD - don't mess with me attitude?"
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
05-22-08, 10:55
Nah, Joe just admitting to what I have done and why. Done, move on! No anger involved, just found the right buttons and released those Jack in the boxes as their springs were wound up too tight.
You know I was joking with you before right?
Yeah - but the problem - the BIG problem with the way you wind people up ... is that you don't let up. Never let up. THAT'S what I'm trying to point out to you.
Unrelenting anything is......crap.
SEAJ
Bob Builder
05-22-08, 11:01
Yeah - but the problem - the BIG problem with the way you wind people up ... is that you don't let up. Never let up. THAT'S what I'm trying to point out to you.
Unrelenting anything is......crap.
SEAJ
Yeah and if you read the post the only guy that I have not let up and keep winding up is CP, cause he does let up on anyone and has certainly pushed some guys out of here. Have I done that? Some poeple don't like the taste of their own medicine.
Joe, who else have I constantly wound up and not let off the hook?
SE Asia Joe
05-22-08, 11:14
Yeah and if you read the post the only guy that I have not let up and keep winding up is CP, cause he does let up on anyone and has certainly pushed some guys out of here. Have I done that? Some poeple don't like the taste of their own medicine.
Joe, who else have I constantly wound up and not let off the hook?
But I don't agree with you as far as CP is concerned. He does NOT let up on every one - just those who really are a bit too much. IMHO anyways!!
I mean - "/anything at the Sheraton?/" "/Where do I get young pretty pussy/" Please do tell me ANYTHING redeeming about these idiot posts?
And methinks....perhaps some of these wankers are better off being "pushed out." Let's face it, our hobby ain;t 100% safe and entertaining some of these fine gentlemen .....???!!
SEAJ
Ps. Peace and Out. I'm going home now!!
Old Mean Dog
05-22-08, 14:52
But I don't agree with you as far as CP is concerned. He does NOT let up on every one - just those who really are a bit too much. IMHO anyways!!
I mean - "/anything at the Sheraton?/" "/Where do I get young pretty pussy/" Please do tell me ANYTHING redeeming about these idiot posts?
And methinks....perhaps some of these wankers are better off being "pushed out." Let's face it, our hobby ain;t 100% safe and entertaining some of these fine gentlemen .....???!!
SEAJ
Ps. Peace and Out. I'm going home now!!
It's difficult to even ignore someone like BB because others quote his foolish remarks.
Let's see, that makes about 34 posts of bullshit from you now. You give nothing back to the board except:
Walked past a burger joint and guys were yelling ISG...holla, holla
Lots of people in the Seibu area, eating hotpot
etc.
But best of all, I love how you only spout off, when you feel "I" need to be put in my place. I hate CPE, boo-hoo.
For example: Even though you have known about the FS at the Flying Dragon Sauna for such a long time, how come you NEVER posted about it??
You wait till I find this place, report about it, then you come on the forum to critize and flame me.
You provide NOTHING to this forum, except being a troll.
Call me what you like and add me to your "hit list" of other members you deem unworthy, but guess what Bob?
I'm still gonna be here.
-CPE
Hi All,
Thanks so much for such valuable information found on this forum.
I'll be going to Shenzhen for a couple of nights soon, well not really Shenzhen, i think it's in Fuyong, probably near to where you get the ferry.
Anyway, I'll be staying at this Hotel and by looking at the website I have noticed they have a sauna with VIP rooms, etc. etc.:
http://www.hanyonghotel.com/ywb/well.htm
Has anyone been to this place?
By your experience, is this likely to be a "full service" sauna?
I shall hope so, I will definetely find out by myself anyway and report back, however I would appreciate a little input from the more experienced folks in here...
Cheers!Sorry guys, as there seems to be a bit of a problem in this section, I'm afraid my post has been overlooked.
Anyway, I'll be in this place next Friday night, I suppose I can wait and find out myself.
OldAsiaHand
05-22-08, 16:12
I walked through with tears in my eyes to see the skeleton of its past that Sha Tsui has become. I reckon there were less than 50-60 girls in all the alleys combined around 6PM.
I did manage to get laid by a 7 from Hunan that provided better than average service.
Most of the saunas and foot massage joints were open for business, but I did not pay much attention to KTV.
Fast Eddie, are you sure we are talking about the same place? What time were you there? If what I saw is any indication of coming back, it will take a long, long time.
Just my POV.
OAH
Fast Eddie 48
05-22-08, 16:20
I walked through with tears in my eyes to see the skeleton of its past that Sha Tsui has become. I reckon there were less than 50-60 girls in all the alleys combined around 6PM.
I did manage to get laid by a 7 from Hunan that provided better than average service.
Most of the saunas and foot massage joints were open for business, but I did not pay much attention to KTV.
Fast Eddie, are you sure we are talking about the same place? What time were you there? If what I saw is any indication of coming back, it will take a long, long time.
Just my POV.To OAH
Sha Tsui will never be the same as 5 yr ago when there are over 1000 girl running around the village, I said it have some actions better than 3 month ago and quality is not bad.
I was there early around 3pm about 4 alley 15 bbs with 4 girl each also check it out around 8 pm there are less girl most are taking and some are working in the KTV.
Fast Eddie 48
SE Asia Joe
05-23-08, 03:50
Very good, one of the best posts!!
And your other 4 posts to date
1. Will stay in March for 10 days in Shenzhen. Doing litte business in HK and Shenzhen, but doing more holiday for myself.
So what I all want to do is..
2.
Hello,
What to bring to a date with a chinese woman?
I know, not a white flower. But what else?
3. And such comments pisses me off too.
We have a phrase in germany:.
4. I completely agree with you. I really agree with you.
Quid Pro Quo
What I complain is …….
SE Asia Joe
05-23-08, 04:27
Sorry guys, as there seems to be a bit of a problem in this section, I'm afraid my post has been overlooked.
Anyway, I'll be in this place next Friday night, I suppose I can wait and find out myself.
Hate to break this to you - but if this is where I think it is - its at least 30 km away from most ofl the downtown and surround action of Shenzhen. Believe its close to the airport and also NOT close to where you get the ferry/Shekou where there is a bit of action a bit more "suited" for foregners. Actually it's a village where there's quite a few factories. the hotel you're staying at is probably one of the best ones in the surround?
On the hotel itself - I've never personally stayed there - but since no one seems to be replying you, I'll give you a review of the GENERAL situation of most hotels in Southern China;
Most Saunas do offer FS - and if it is one of the few which does not offer FS - then, personnel in the Sauna itself and/or the concierge will easily arrange action for you. That is just the way things are in S. China.
Fact is, as I understand it, most hotels do NOT make money on their hotel room operations per se - and relies on what they can make from the KTV and Sauna - so each hotel tries to outdo their competitors with their "offering"
So in short - you should not have much too waorry about getting serviced.
IMHO and Paix
SEAJ
Rockabilly77
05-23-08, 06:30
I walked thru seibu the last time I was there and noticed alot of bbs that only had men sitting in the front. Can someone tell me the reason? Are these places that have ladies aswell or are they not?
I wasnt sure when walking the streets last time but seemed to notice alot of shops with only men sitting in the front. On the other hand I noticed many other with girls. But some seemed to be completly male dominated.
Any clarity would help.
SE Asia Joe
05-23-08, 08:22
Name some of the fine bros sharing knowedge and comaradie with you? If there are some, they must be a "blanket party" for you. I know a few members showed you around in the beginning. Then you bad mouth them. Next the disagreement on opinions on the board and you bragging and lying. Now they want to disassociate with you and you are upset about it.
I remember a very respectable member calling you out for just one person to back you up and nobody came forwarded. I don't want to rehash this subject again but you, OWL bring it back from time to time.
Fun and Games! Fun and Games!
Old What Lies is gonna come out with both barrels blazing away now!!
Muahahaha!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
05-23-08, 08:25
Hey Joe,
OWL's not talking about me, he's already forgave me:
Since some of you fella's think I'm a cyberbully, I've decided to share my "Secret" locations of mongering, the prices and locations (based on landmarks) and hope you will forgive me and I won't say RTFF:
Ahhhhh you ole softee you....!!
How Thweeeeet!
I forgive you too!!
Oh?? I got nothin' to forgive about....??? Oh Yeah!! Oh well, never mind!!
SEAJ
Hate to break this to you. But if this is where I think it is. Its at least 30 km away from most ofl the downtown and surround action of Shenzhen. Believe its close to the airport and also NOT close to where you get the ferry/Shekou where there is a bit of action a bit more "suited" for foregners. Actually it's a village where there's quite a few factories. The hotel you're staying at is probably one of the best ones in the surround?
On the hotel itself. I've never personally stayed there. But since no one seems to be replying you, I'll give you a review of the GENERAL situation of most hotels in Southern China;
Most Saunas do offer FS. And if it is one of the few which does not offer FS. Then, personnel in the Sauna itself and/or the concierge will easily arrange action for you. That is just the way things are in S. China.
Fact is, as I understand it, most hotels do NOT make money on their hotel room operations per se. And relies on what they can make from the KTV and Sauna. So each hotel tries to outdo their competitors with their "offering"
So in short. You should not have much too waorry about getting serviced.
IMHO and Paix
SEAJThanks for your reply! Much appreciated!
Just one last question: if I go to the Sauna, how do I understand if it offers FS or not? Is there a "polite" way of finding out?
I believe I should understand from the pricing of the services, I. E. Probably anything over 400-500RMB should be referring to some sort of special service!
Anyway, I'll let you guys know when I'm back, maybe it can become an interesting place for people that want to stay near the airport.
And your other 4 posts to dateMy first reaction was: I post another stupid answer, then I get a stupid answer again and so on.
Why we are so stupid? In one way we are all BSA (including me, maybe the biggest). But in the other way we are all nice guys, for sure.
We all want the same. Good woman for low money.
So lets keep us going on posting good reports. And if there are some stupid questions, okay! Forget it, read the next good post.
Maybe there are more reasons not to post you can image: Language barriers, none experience and so on.
Lets join us against these lovely beautiful soft skin good smelling woman.
They want our money for lowest commitment, we want. You know all what we want!
Good experiences!
Old Mean Dog
05-23-08, 15:15
I walked thru seibu the last time I was there and noticed alot of bbs that only had men sitting in the front. Can someone tell me the reason? Are these places that have ladies aswell or are they not?
I wasnt sure when walking the streets last time but seemed to notice alot of shops with only men sitting in the front. On the other hand I noticed many other with girls. But some seemed to be completly male dominated.
Any clarity would help.
Those would not be BBS's, unless you like to go the other way now and then. BBS's for hetrosexuals, have girls in them.
If you enter the area from the Seibu side, the BBS's will all be on the right side in the alleys.
-CPE
Old Mean Dog
05-23-08, 18:30
Thanks for your reply! Much appreciated!
Just one last question: if I go to the Sauna, how do I understand if it offers FS or not? Is there a "polite" way of finding out?
I believe I should understand from the pricing of the services, I. E. Probably anything over 400-500RMB should be referring to some sort of special service!
Anyway, I'll let you guys know when I'm back, maybe it can become an interesting place for people that want to stay near the airport.
If you don't speak the language, then your gonna have to resort to the hand signal for what you want. Really no other way to do it! I would suggest you look over the Chinese language section and at least find the words needed to say what you are looking for.
You stand a 50/50 chance for the pricing, but why blow 500 rmb for just a HJ? Best to be safe, or don't mind doing the "finger in the hole" technique.
-CPE
I appears that I will spending a lot of time in Shenzhen starting in July, I think. Thanks to some memebers on the board, I had a great time during my visit in April and I was recently offered an opportunity to come back and stay. I may never leave......
I think I am going to live in Shekou, at least for the first year or so and try to take come Mandarian lessons before I venture out to live "amongst em" as it were. I am sure that I will be asking for advice or some recommendations of the current extranjeros (oops , sorry wrong language), from everything to sporting events, satellite T.V., the best cell phone company, banking, etc.
I hope that you will be patient with me, I will try to "RTFF" first, but may not always get what I need. It is funny, I scored three times during my visit and I still haven't found Seibu, I am sure I will have many opportunities. I want to at least try a good KTV, just to see what they are all about! I do know the Terrace offers opportunities on most nights. So here goes the first question, where do you guys purchase your electronic goods, DVD's, cameras, and the like? Also, are there any golfers amongst us? I would love to get some inside scoop about Mission Hills or other more economical golfing areas!
Thank you in advance!
Sky
Steven Jones
05-23-08, 21:47
Seriously man, thanks! This is perfect . . . now just to get back to China!
Hey Joe,
OWL's not talking about me, he's already forgave me:
Since some of you fella's think I'm a cyberbully, I've decided to share my "Secret" locations of mongering, the prices and locations (based on landmarks) and hope you will forgive me and I won't say RTFF:
1. Seibu, Luohu District, behind the Seibu Department Store, 150-200 RMB, can do on site or take-out. Discussed ad nauseam
2. Pink Apts, Luohu District, behind Shangri-La Hotel, 150-200 RMB, can do on site or take-out. Discussed ad nauseam
3. Concubine Village, Luohu District, behind the Seafood Restaurant Street, 150-200 RMB, can do on site or take-out. Discussed ad nauseam
4. Shangri-La Area, Luohu District, all around the Shangri-La Hotel, 150-200 RMB, can do on site or take-out. Discussed ad nauseam
5. Heavens Gate (Can't remember the Chinese name), Futian District, Search old posts for map and photo of entrance, 150-200 RMB, can do on site or take-out. Used to be the best place, till a major raid shut down the entire area, but is making a small comback. Discussed ad nauseam
6. Upper and Lower Sandy Lip, Futian District, 150-200 RMB, can do on site or take-out. Not good, not great, just ok. Discussed ad nauseam
7. JUSCO Area, Futian District, behind the Futian JUSCO on Shennan Rd, 150-200 RMB, can do on site or take-out. Area died and dried up a long time ago, some of the seedy massage joints there still offer FS. Discussed ad nauseam
8. Chicken Bars, Nanshan Area (Shekou), near the Terrance Nightclub, This area is gone now.
9. Vast amount of streetwalkers/pimps/mommies/touts, Luohu area, any hotel that has HK or foreign business men staying. Normally a bit higher than the going rate for unsuspecting horny foreign travelers. Walk outside your hotel and stand around for a few minutes...
10. 1000's of KTV's and Saunas, all over SZ. Various price structures.
There you have it, CPExpats "Secret" list of places to find hookers! Sorry, I'm not a pimp so I can't call girls to your room, nor am I tight with any English speaking *****s.
I personally don't keep all the calling cards I'm handed, because they change their mobile # faster than one changes their underwear.
Maybe some other bros, who feel they have been too hard on the fellas here can divulge the phone #'s of their fine ass, sexy, (maybe even English speaking) honeys to the masses.
I am sure there are some other shops, all over SZ, but most are not really worth spending the time and money to go to.
There's a Chinese language section here, for those who need some words.
I've seen the light!
-CPE
BTW: Joe, I knew BB from another forum called GeoExpat, he was a troll there and not well liked. It's in his nature to hide behind his screen name and talk shit. BB, I didn't like you the first time we met...remember?
.... It is funny, I scored three times during my visit and I still haven't found Seibu,.......
Ok, that’s enough, I think enough members have questioned or complained about Seibu directions. They are just not clear enough!! I figured at least half of us had trouble finding the purple BBS sections with skimpy girl line ups.
Here is what I propose, as I was trekking endlessly for this phantom purple BBS signs around Seibu, we should set up a hotline dedicated for SZ Seibu directions. Cell phone numbers would be great, trekkers can call from ground zero and get hand holding directions live on the phone. Any senior member up for it?
I asked taxi drivers they all say police closed most of them down, local friends say most are closed but few are still open, but no idea where they are.
The reason I finally suggest this is because I saw something disturbing while looking for this Seibu BBS area, live kidnapping in progress, where otherwise if I wasn’t canvassing for this BBS area I wouldn’t have those images linger in my head. I’ll try to elaborate later, I just think too much time is being wasted for newbies to look for this place from ISG directions, and also safety reasons. We all have the identical unsuccessful experiences searching for this mirage BBS BS, gates, barricades, alleys, etc.
Has anyone found the purple signs from ISG directions??
HT
....So here goes the first question, where do you guys purchase your electronic goods, DVD's, cameras, and the like? Also, are there any golfers amongst us? I would love to get some inside scoop about Mission Hills or other more economical golfing areas!
Thank you in advance!
Sky
Sky,
My friends who lived in SZ for over 10 years buy 100% of their electronics in HK. Allegedly 1 out of every 10 brand name import electronics in SZ are fake or bootlegged products. Some are so close to perfect you can never tell unless you open up the inside and check the bar codes. If it doesn't break, you will never know. Anyway, that's the story I was told. Some SZ prices have outpaced HK prices for legit digital cameras and DTVs anyways.
For golf, you can get discount green fees from most local pro shops. Don't pay visitor prices for Mission Hill, so easy to get guest prices, from local shops or just call up their sales dept or visit the club house.
Best value course - Noble Merchant, BaoAn, Tycoon.
Best member course - Shahe (Sand River), Shenzhen Golf Club, Mission Hill.
Best course overall - YUNHAIGU inside HuaQiaoCheng in Yantian. Has the wow effect. Add 10 strokes to your HC.
HT
Here is what I propose, as I was trekking endlessly for this phantom purple BBS signs around Seibu, we should set up a hotline dedicated for SZ Seibu directions. Cell phone numbers would be great, trekkers can call from ground zero and get hand holding directions live on the phone. Any senior member up for it?
Surely you jest... what's in it for us? For 25 rmb per minute I am your man. Prepay please. Credit, well we lynched him long time ago.
OldAsiaHand
05-24-08, 04:56
Has anyone found the purple signs from ISG directions??
I am in a good mood today so I will try again.
The easiest way is to go to the Panglin Hotel. Every taxi driver in SZ knows this hotel. Stand in front of the hotel and cross the main street going North. After you cross the street, keep walking straight down the street in front of you, looking to the left. You will pass some outdoor eateries on your left. After these, you will see the alley on your left with the barricades blocking vehicle access. It is less than 100 meters in from the main road. Turn left into this alley and the Seibu BBS alleys are on your right.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
05-24-08, 05:05
Thanks for your reply! Much appreciated!
Just one last question: if I go to the Sauna, how do I understand if it offers FS or not? Is there a "polite" way of finding out?
I believe I should understand from the pricing of the services, I. E. Probably anything over 400-500RMB should be referring to some sort of special service!
Anyway, I'll let you guys know when I'm back, maybe it can become an interesting place for people that want to stay near the airport.
Lad78,
The price can be misleading. Saunas operate differently. Some will have a room charge + tip, while others will quote inclusive of FS. It is best to just ask directly and forget about being polite about it. Be specific about what you want and ask how much you are expected to pay for it.
Just my POV.
OAH
Old Mean Dog
05-24-08, 07:35
Ok, that’s enough, I think enough members have questioned or complained about Seibu directions. They are just not clear enough!! I figured at least half of us had trouble finding the purple BBS sections with skimpy girl line ups.
Here is what I propose, as I was trekking endlessly for this phantom purple BBS signs around Seibu, we should set up a hotline dedicated for SZ Seibu directions. Cell phone numbers would be great, trekkers can call from ground zero and get hand holding directions live on the phone. Any senior member up for it?
I asked taxi drivers they all say police closed most of them down, local friends say most are closed but few are still open, but no idea where they are.
The reason I finally suggest this is because I saw something disturbing while looking for this Seibu BBS area, live kidnapping in progress, where otherwise if I wasn’t canvassing for this BBS area I wouldn’t have those images linger in my head. I’ll try to elaborate later, I just think too much time is being wasted for newbies to look for this place from ISG directions, and also safety reasons. We all have the identical unsuccessful experiences searching for this mirage BBS BS, gates, barricades, alleys, etc.
Has anyone found the purple signs from ISG directions??
HT
I agree with OAH, this place is not so hard to find. It's in the main heart of the Luohuo downtown/commerical area. The Panglin, Sunshine and Fu Rong Hotels are very famous hotels here. Seibu is a Japanese Dept. Store, not a whole lot of them around (2 I know of and the other one is in Futian), the street that runs in front of these hotels and department store is Dongmen St and is also very, very well known here.
Prostitution is illegal in China, now you suggest a member man a hotline? I'm sure your just pulling our leg.
-CPE
Rockabilly77
05-24-08, 07:46
Ok, that’s enough, I think enough members have questioned or complained about Seibu directions. They are just not clear enough!! I figured at least half of us had trouble finding the purple BBS sections with skimpy girl line ups.
Here is what I propose, as I was trekking endlessly for this phantom purple BBS signs around Seibu, we should set up a hotline dedicated for SZ Seibu directions. Cell phone numbers would be great, trekkers can call from ground zero and get hand holding directions live on the phone. Any senior member up for it?
I asked taxi drivers they all say police closed most of them down, local friends say most are closed but few are still open, but no idea where they are.
The reason I finally suggest this is because I saw something disturbing while looking for this Seibu BBS area, live kidnapping in progress, where otherwise if I wasn’t canvassing for this BBS area I wouldn’t have those images linger in my head. I’ll try to elaborate later, I just think too much time is being wasted for newbies to look for this place from ISG directions, and also safety reasons. We all have the identical unsuccessful experiences searching for this mirage BBS BS, gates, barricades, alleys, etc.
Has anyone found the purple signs from ISG directions??
HTIf I rember I'll bring my gps with me and mark it.
Rockabilly77
05-24-08, 07:48
Those would not be BBS's, unless you like to go the other way now and then. BBS's for hetrosexuals, have girls in them.
If you enter the area from the Seibu side, the BBS's will all be on the right side in the alleys.
-CPEOk that is was what my gut told me. But I wasnt sure and thought maybe they were all hidden in the back or in boxes on shelves!
Thanks again OAH, I remember your directions from RTFF before I made the trip for the BBS.
This is what I was afraid of, YES, I've been there. I remember the outdoor eateries, the alleyways. I looked down some of the alleyways saw some BBS signs but they were all dark. Old ladies were outside whispering Xiaojie Xiaojie, but I wasn't about to trek down those dark alleys by myself.
I left my apt about 7pm on a saturday night, thought I was making sure the place would be jumping when I get there. On the contrary it is also the peak LE presence keeping the place from getting too crazy, is it not?
Anyway, during the trek I was approached once by a girl asking me if I want a massage, and twice by two young girls walking together asking me if I have time to talk to them.
I knew I was close, but all the girls I saw in those alleys weren't that pretty or dressed that sexy anyways. I remember 4-5 years ago those 20+ young country girls sitting in front of the Queen's sauna when it first opened, nothing compared to that, so I hopped in a cab and the driver took me to FuHua Road passing by Walmart, couple of blocks away from Vienna hotel. Told me there were some BBS there.
There are just as many small saunas and foot massages here as near Seibu, after all this walking decided to duck into one. Just a foot massage please. 45 yuan for 2 hours, have a seat, what would you like to drink?
A sichuan lady gave me the foot massage, she told me there are some relaxation centers around here with Xiaojie I might wanna try, but no BBS. Bingo! actually a few enclaves of relaxation centers within a couple of blocks.
Saw a cutie standing outside 'Wenzhou Relaxation Center' talking on her cell, its a much more darker alley than Seibu but felt safer with that girl standing there middle of the night in her white mini skirt. Walked passed her inside, Bingo! 6 girls in mini skirts, YES! more upstairs talking. man told me pick anyone, 45 yuan an hour. Yes!
Picked a pretty face with a full body, went inside this big room, WTF?? there were like 10 wooden cubicles with no ceilings packed with people talking, noisy like a fish market. WTF?? First time here? We don't have make love here. Just HJ. Tip? No tip needed. We both layed down, pulled up her skirt, a special panty over her real panty, pull them down, felt her ass, boobs, kind of fat. Are you ready? For what? Let me get it (load) out for you. No way I'm taking my clothes off in front of everybody. Haha, don't be silly. Silence. Showed her my iphone. She played with the phone while I played with her. I'm leaving. Come back and see me, can you buy me 2 hours? Plopped down 70 to the man and left.
Made one turn and saw 3 girls hanging around in the middle of yet another dark alley. Walked in, maybe 8 girls were actually in pink and white mini skirt uniforms. 40/hr. picked a skinny Hubei girl, nice long legs. Went upstairs, wouldn't let me see anything, just groping. We don't have make love here, where are you from? Took out my iphone. Apple phone, can I see it? Can I see you? kept pushing my hands away at the last line of defense. I don't feel good today, my girl friends blah blah blah. This place is dirty, i'm leaving.
Finally, about 2 am. Need to get out of here before I get robbed, yet another Wenzhou joint. When in Rome. Same set up, this time room door actually closes, AC fan on, actually quiet in here for a change. This foxy Fujian girl actually has a nice tight body, dark skin, tight little ass. Looked like a KTV girl. Played with the iphone like I wasn't there (they all get a big kick out of iphone's photo functions, resize, turn, etc). You want to make love? No thanks. You are so big and hard, let me use my balls (boobs) to get it out, 100 yuan, okay? ....... okay. She went out got a condom and a cup of tea, pulled my pants down, her top off. I kept squeezing her tight little ass while she put on the condom. Would you like me to take my bottom off for 135 yuan total? ...... okay. Nice skills, no hurry. Felt good and tired after pop. Not bad for 135.
Started out the night just wanted to check out the famous Seibu BBS and take some photos of Xiaojie. Took a wild swing but ball still landed on the fairway so to speak. Nevertheless did not break the 3 Golden rules: Never pick up a SW. Never fuck a girl uglier than yourself. Never without protection. Last one is not a rule but a given. Second one is made to be broken.
HT
BTW, is this map right?
Seibu BBS directions
Seibu BBS directions
Hehe.
Prostitution is illegal in China, now you suggest a member man a hotline? I'm sure your just pulling our leg.
-CPE
I'm sure it's not illegal to point your buddies to a BBS for a haircut, now is it? :) Not unless you get paid for it.
But thanks for the info, I think most of us pass by it and miss it because it was not open or jumping at the time they passed. I must of circled 2 block radius of that section for 2 hours. I saw the BBS signs in the alleys, but they were all dark and closed.
HT
Old Mean Dog
05-24-08, 11:29
I'm sure it's not illegal to point your buddies to a BBS for a haircut, now is it? :) Not unless you get paid for it.
But thanks for the info, I think most of us pass by it and miss it because it was not open or jumping at the time they passed. I must of circled 2 block radius of that section for 2 hours. I saw the BBS signs in the alleys, but they were all dark and closed.
HT
Like a mosquito to the blue light of a bug zapper, just look for the shops with the pink/red or blue lights in them.
A BBS has a bunch of *****s, just sitting around, not a barber chair or a pair of scissors in sight. ;)
-CPE
OldAsiaHand
05-24-08, 12:39
Thanks again OAH, I remember your directions from RTFF before I made the trip for the BBS.
This is what I was afraid of, YES, I've been there. I remember the outdoor eateries, the alleyways. I looked down some of the alleyways saw some BBS signs but they were all dark. Old ladies were outside whispering Xiaojie Xiaojie, but I wasn't about to trek down those dark alleys by myself.
I left my apt about 7pm on a saturday night, thought I was making sure the place would be jumping when I get there. On the contrary it is also the peak LE presence keeping the place from getting too crazy, is it not?
Anyway, during the trek I was approached once by a girl asking me if I want a massage, and twice by two young girls walking together asking me if I have time to talk to them.
I knew I was close, but all the girls I saw in those alleys weren't that pretty or dressed that sexy anyways. I remember 4-5 years ago those 20+ young country girls sitting in front of the Queen's sauna when it first opened, nothing compared to that, so I hopped in a cab and the driver took me to FuHua Road passing by Walmart, couple of blocks away from Vienna hotel. Told me there were some BBS there.
There are just as many small saunas and foot massages here as near Seibu, after all this walking decided to duck into one. Just a foot massage please. 45 yuan for 2 hours, have a seat, what would you like to drink?
A sichuan lady gave me the foot massage, she told me there are some relaxation centers around here with Xiaojie I might wanna try, but no BBS. Bingo! actually a few enclaves of relaxation centers within a couple of blocks.
Saw a cutie standing outside 'Wenzhou Relaxation Center' talking on her cell, its a much more darker alley than Seibu but felt safer with that girl standing there middle of the night in her white mini skirt. Walked passed her inside, Bingo! 6 girls in mini skirts, YES! more upstairs talking. man told me pick anyone, 45 yuan an hour. Yes!
Picked a pretty face with a full body, went inside this big room, WTF?? there were like 10 wooden cubicles with no ceilings packed with people talking, noisy like a fish market. WTF?? First time here? We don't have make love here. Just HJ. Tip? No tip needed. We both layed down, pulled up her skirt, a special panty over her real panty, pull them down, felt her ass, boobs, kind of fat. Are you ready? For what? Let me get it (load) out for you. No way I'm taking my clothes off in front of everybody. Haha, don't be silly. Silence. Showed her my iphone. She played with the phone while I played with her. I'm leaving. Come back and see me, can you buy me 2 hours? Plopped down 70 to the man and left.
Made one turn and saw 3 girls hanging around in the middle of yet another dark alley. Walked in, maybe 8 girls were actually in pink and white mini skirt uniforms. 40/hr. picked a skinny Hubei girl, nice long legs. Went upstairs, wouldn't let me see anything, just groping. We don't have make love here, where are you from? Took out my iphone. Apple phone, can I see it? Can I see you? kept pushing my hands away at the last line of defense. I don't feel good today, my girl friends blah blah blah. This place is dirty, i'm leaving.
Finally, about 2 am. Need to get out of here before I get robbed, yet another Wenzhou joint. When in Rome. Same set up, this time room door actually closes, AC fan on, actually quiet in here for a change. This foxy Fujian girl actually has a nice tight body, dark skin, tight little ass. Looked like a KTV girl. Played with the iphone like I wasn't there (they all get a big kick out of iphone's photo functions, resize, turn, etc). You want to make love? No thanks. You are so big and hard, let me use my balls (boobs) to get it out, 100 yuan, okay? ....... okay. She went out got a condom and a cup of tea, pulled my pants down, her top off. I kept squeezing her tight little ass while she put on the condom. Would you like me to take my bottom off for 135 yuan total? ...... okay. Nice skills, no hurry. Felt good and tired after pop. Not bad for 135.
Started out the night just wanted to check out the famous Seibu BBS and take some photos of Xiaojie. Took a wild swing but ball still landed on the fairway so to speak. Nevertheless did not break the 3 Golden rules: Never pick up a SW. Never fuck a girl uglier than yourself. Never without protection. Last one is not a rule but a given.
HT
BTW, is this map right?
Seibu BBS directions
Seibu BBS directions
Hehe.
HT,
I wish I knew how to quote only sections of your post to save space, but I cannot figure it out. Can somebody help?
First of all, the map is wrong. The BBS area is basically behind Seibu. II guess the direction across the street in more East than North. The road I am talking about across the street from Panglin is not on your map. There could have been a crackdown when you were there.
Second, beware of SW working in pairs offering massage. This is standard modus operandi for many scams.
Third, "Wenzhou" is the key word in the name of a HJ shop as are the uniforms. I think some the shops you refer to in Futian are between the WalMart and McDonalds. They used to be FS shops, but this area has been cracked down. You may find FS girls at night in the alleys next to where the BBS used to be, but not always. Normally, the HJ is included in the one hour rate. No tips are necessary. Many will try to get you for 2 hours, but it is not required to get the HJ. Some HJ girls will let you stick it in for a 100 RMB tip, especially if they know you.
Just my POV.
OAH
P.S. If you are afraid to walk down dark alleys, it can be difficult to get laid in BBS in China.
OldAsiaHand
05-24-08, 13:24
Was at Seibu at 10pm last night and and the whole street was full of people eating and drinking at the hotpot places. More than usual for a Monday night. If anything, not having anything to watch on tv drove everybody out onto the streets. All the bbs were open and plenty of Johns.
So much for closing all the legit entertainment venues.
As for all the shit that has been posted lately, it is unfortunate that this forum has been dominated a very few members with too much time on their hands and overopinionated. Try some restraint and don't use the phrase "RTFF". Yes, I mean you CP! I'm on the computer over 10 hours a day as well but don't have the compulsion to have to add a "RTFF" to just about every newbie request. If anyone is dumbass enough to offer free info and directions, expect everyone to think with their little heads and NOT follow all your rules and regulations regarding pricing and conduct. There you go "quid pro quo" or WTF. I mean you are providing free content for this forum whose owner is getting compensated handsomely. Typical fecking monger behaviour get to China get laid and want to show off to everyone how smart you are. Once guys actually use the info and spoil your little playground or ask for more info and you start feeling exploited and a little pissy.
Moody suggested doing a Dragon D but then DD gets shit from this board for profiteering. I think he gets paid what he deserves to hold the hand of some dumbass to get laid in China. I have had to do it for some of my pals. Try sitting in a KTV trying to have good time with your pal asking you "What did she say?" every 2 minutes. Learn the fecking language!
A place could be humming today and closed down tomorrow, e.g. went to 3 KTVs in one night last week before we could find any gals. Started in Sa Zui where it was fantastic 3 weeks ago, last week couldn't even get a lineup of more than 5 gals. Did a quick recon of the village and didn't even see 10 WGs. Did another at Xiang Sa at a KTV across the road from the Shun Le department store also no gals. Ended up on Sui Wai at the Harbour KTV where there were 100+ gals but that was neary 1am just in time to see some guys fighting outside with 1 guy getting kicked in the head about 10 times. Must have had a hellava hangover the next day.
If you have no info to post how about don't post anything here or go and play with AG.
How the feck am I going to get laid now that OAH is not going to give out any new info. I suppose I will have to get in a taxi and head out to Seibu behind the big boat out at Shekou.
BB,
CPE is a good friend. I know that he has gone out of his way to help newbies in South China. Unlike DD, he shows them around for free and some do not even pay for the taxi or buy him a beer. The same has happened to me with newbies, as well. Also, I used to get many PMs from guys wanting to hook-up. If they arrive and figured out how to get laid by themselves, they did not even bother to call. I stopped replying to PMs from newbies. I also used to get pissed off by newbie questions that have been answered so many times on the board. I mellowed out and stopped posting RTFF so often and wasting bandwidth. Most of the time I just ignore them. Sometimes, I cannot resist.
On the other hand, I am fortunate to have met China newbies from ISG that have turned into good friends. I did not mind helping them out in the beginning since they made an effort to help themselves first and returned the generosity in other ways.
Regarding new info, I have stopped posting for just the reasons you mention. I have been a dumbass sharing the info openly and expecting that others would follow my advice. I was just trying to be a nice and generous guy. I had a perfect example last week. I took an unamed member of this forum to one of my favorite "new" BBS hunting grounds. He picked a girl and got excellent service from her for 130 RMB. Afterwards, he asked to get into my car to fetch more money to give her a tip. He was going to give her 50RMB. I told him not to spoil the market; 10-20 RMB is plenty. These girls probably never get tips from local customers. Never once did they ask me for one. That said, after I was through I bought bottled water for 6 girls in the BBS and gave the 8 RMB change to the girl I just did. They were happy as clams. Sometimes, I will take a few of them out for a cheap meal. The girls will get greedy and ask for more money, the more BSD come and tip them. Or, they will mark you as a cheap customer and reduce the service. I have seen this happen in virtually every area that I have posted about. Or, the worst case is that when two many laowai start appearing in an area, it becomes too obvious and they shut it down. It could be natural evolution, but I doubt it.
Just my POV.
OAH
Gentlemen,
I have not written since January, but now finally have something substantial to contribute to the discussion.
There has been a lot of news recently about the crackdown on Chinese visas. My one year multiple entry visa expired a few months ago, and I thought I would have to wait until after the Olympics to get a new one. That would be an eternity without my regular trips to the lovely ladies of SZ! However, I recently acted on a rumor to investigate whether this visa crackdown was actually true or not. I am happy to report that it is only partially true; I was able to get a 5 day single entry SZ visa at the Lo Wu border for HK$150.
I took the train to the border, went upstairs to the visa office and asked for the application form. The guy then asked me for my HK ID card (this is important) and checked to see my resident status (I am ‘R’). He then tossed me the application, which I filled out and returned. A few minutes later they gave me back my passport with the new visa, I paid my money, and I was ready to rock and roll. It was actually even faster/easier than the old days because there was no line up at all due to the fact that everyone has heard it is not possible!
The rest was smooth sailing and SOP. Once into SZ I was basking in possibilities. So much catching up to do, so I got busy. Went straight to Sha Tsui by taxi for 35RMB and happily found the scene there is slowly returning. Did a sweet little number for 150. Returned to Seibu and did 2 more separately at 150 each, a bite to eat at Jimmy’s, then strolled over to the Queen Spa for some much needed decompression. Back to the train by courtesy bus with plenty of time to spare. Just like the old days!
So don’t believe everything you hear these days, even (especially? ) from the Government (and even from me! But I swear it’s all true.) A few pics of some of the friends I have made in SZ recently. Sicer
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Fast Eddie 48
05-25-08, 01:58
Gentlemen,
I have not written since January, but now finally have something substantial to contribute to the discussion.
There has been a lot of news recently about the crackdown on Chinese visas. My one year multiple entry visa expired a few months ago, and I thought I would have to wait until after the Olympics to get a new one. That would be an eternity without my regular trips to the lovely ladies of SZ! However, I recently acted on a rumor to investigate whether this visa crackdown was actually true or not. I am happy to report that it is only partially true; I was able to get a 5 day single entry SZ visa at the Lo Wu border for HK$150.
I took the train to the border, went upstairs to the visa office and asked for the application form. The guy then asked me for my HK ID card (this is important) and checked to see my resident status (I am ‘R’). He then tossed me the application, which I filled out and returned. A few minutes later they gave me back my passport with the new visa, I paid my money, and I was ready to rock and roll. It was actually even faster/easier than the old days because there was no line up at all due to the fact that everyone has heard it is not possible!
The rest was smooth sailing and SOP. Once into SZ I was basking in possibilities. So much catching up to do, so I got busy. Went straight to Sha Tsui by taxi for 35RMB and happily found the scene there is slowly returning. Did a sweet little number for 150. Returned to Seibu and did 2 more separately at 150 each, a bite to eat at Jimmy’s, then strolled over to the Queen Spa for some much needed decompression. Back to the train by courtesy bus with plenty of time to spare. Just like the old days!
So don’t believe everything you hear these days, even (especially? ) from the Government (and even from me! But I swear it’s all true.) A few pics of some of the friends I have made in SZ recently. Sicer
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to sicer
I also have a HKID and hold US passport, but I aply for a China Return Home permit 4 years ago from CTS,It is good for 10 yr It cost only 280 hkd.
Most resident of HK have this, but for all of you don't have a HKID you should get your China visa at home before you leave for China and don't take any chance .
Fast Eddie 48
OldAsiaHand
05-25-08, 03:13
Gentlemen,
There has been a lot of news recently about the crackdown on Chinese visas. My one year multiple entry visa expired a few months ago, and I thought I would have to wait until after the Olympics to get a new one. That would be an eternity without my regular trips to the lovely ladies of SZ! However, I recently acted on a rumor to investigate whether this visa crackdown was actually true or not. I am happy to report that it is only partially true; I was able to get a 5 day single entry SZ visa at the Lo Wu border for HK$150.
I took the train to the border, went upstairs to the visa office and asked for the application form. The guy then asked me for my HK ID card (this is important) and checked to see my resident status (I am ‘R’). He then tossed me the application, which I filled out and returned. A few minutes later they gave me back my passport with the new visa, I paid my money, and I was ready to rock and roll. It was actually even faster/easier than the old days because there was no line up at all due to the fact that everyone has heard it is not possible!
Sicer
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Sicer,
As I understand it, those with HK permanent residence or working status in Hong Kong do not have any problems obtaining visas. For those without, I have heard about nothing but problems in extending or obtaining visas in Hong Kong or at the border.
Just my POV.
OAH
If you keep walking down Jiabin Rd from Panglin past the Seibu shopping center and across the road, its narrows and you come to a series of restaurants on the left. The BBS is behind these restaurants. If you keep walking you come to a cross street / T intersection. if you turn right here you will Queens spa. If you turn left and walk along the street toward Shennan Rd East you will see the alleys on your left, some darker than others.
For 135 RMB you should expect FS in the BBS (actually from 70RMB up depending on the girl).
The map is basically correct. I have attached two maps that i got from forum sometime ago - i found these helpful.
Be careful, good luck.
Thanks again OAH, I remember your directions from RTFF before I made the trip for the BBS.
This is what I was afraid of, YES, I've been there. I remember the outdoor eateries, the alleyways. I looked down some of the alleyways saw some BBS signs but they were all dark. Old ladies were outside whispering Xiaojie Xiaojie, but I wasn't about to trek down those dark alleys by myself.
BTW, is this map right?
Seibu BBS directions
Seibu BBS directions
Hehe.
Sicer,
As I understand it, those with HK permanent residence or working status in Hong Kong do not have any problems obtaining visas. For those without, I have heard about nothing but problems in extending or obtaining visas in Hong Kong or at the border.
Just my POV.
OAH
My multiple entry visa expired. Just to play it safe, I had a business associate send me an invitation letter. I trust the concierge at the Shangri-La hotel where I usually stay in HK to assist with a visa. I will find out if I will be able to get it renewed for another year or if I will have to get a 30 day visa and then renew that every time I go back and forth over the next year which I plan to.
In either case, it will presumably be back to normal after the Olympics and the Chinese have said around October so in my worst case scenario I see two visas.
If all goes well, I should be back in HK and Shenzhen the week of the 15th of June. Hope to see some of you and have some fun as well as do some business.
Old Mean Dog
05-26-08, 03:53
My multiple entry visa expired. Just to play it safe, I had a business associate send me an invitation letter. I trust the concierge at the Shangri-La hotel where I usually stay in HK to assist with a visa. I will find out if I will be able to get it renewed for another year or if I will have to get a 30 day visa and then renew that every time I go back and forth over the next year which I plan to.
In either case, it will presumably be back to normal after the Olympics and the Chinese have said around October so in my worst case scenario I see two visas.
If all goes well, I should be back in HK and Shenzhen the week of the 15th of June. Hope to see some of you and have some fun as well as do some business.
The current word on the street is: Since you will be applying for a visa in HK, the best your gonna get is a 30 day, single entry, tourist visa. This policy is supposed to remain in effect until Oct 17th. Even having an invitation letter, will still have no effect, especially if trying to obtain your visa through a HK agency. I also hear the 1 month visa is around $700 HKD.
As others have already said in the general section; You should apply for a longer visa back in the states, rather than trying to obtain a 30 day in HK.
-CPE
I presume not much has changed since the end of April. Back then, my friend could only get a double entry visa in HK. I believe if you previously had a multiple entry visa, they'll grant you a double, but if not, then only a single.
Also, before all the visa nonsense came down, one could get an "F" multiple entry in HK without any supporting docs. In March (as I had for the previous 6 years) I just showed up at a travel agent, gave them my passport and paid the fee. They asked for a business card, but I forgot it, they said it was ok, they can still do it.
As of May 16th, multiple entry visas are only issued in HK if and only if 1) You have a Hong Kong ID and 2) You have an official "Visa Notification Form" issued by a government agency in China. The interesting part is that NO ONE has a clue what a "Visa Notification Form" is. the best you can get out of HK is a single or double tourist visa and for that you MUST have a return ticket or a hotel reservation even if you go to Shenzhen for a day trip. Also, the fastest you can get a visa is now 2 days (it used to be 1).
My advice, if you don't have a visa, DON'T leave home without it! :)
APAC Man
Old Mean Dog
05-28-08, 15:57
Woody Shoes and I decided to take in a massage today and went to a joint over on Chunfeng Lu, kinda caddy-corner from the Vanguard Supermarket. This is not a new find, as this used to be Master Mongers favorite place, but that was then and this is now. The place was closed for several months and has gone under a total rennovation.
The place is pretty decent and very clean. They have a grand opening special of 38 rmb for 2 hours. HJ is an extra 80 rmb and FS was around 350. The room is nice, with a full size bed, flat screen tv and air con in them. I opted for the HJ and was given a nice mid-20's gal from Sichuan. Decent looking (6-7) and she let me fondle her boobs while she spanked my monkey. The girls wear dresses to massage (like a KTV gals dress). Total was 118, no tip.
Overall pretty good place and if your looking for a place to sleep overnight, this would be ideal as it's cheap, clean and comfortable.
-CPE
I wish I knew how to quote only sections of your post to save space, but I cannot figure it out. Can somebody help?
1) When you press the quote icon (bottom right of each report), it opens the "submit report" page with the full quote already embedded into the report.
2) You'll notice that the beginning will have a bracketed item with the capitalized words "QUOTE", and at the end, another one.
3) Leave those bracket items alone and cut anything in the middle.
Cheers.
Steven Jones
05-28-08, 16:57
Woody Shoes and I decided to take in a massage today and went to a joint over on Chunfeng Lu, kinda caddy-corner from the Vanguard Supermarket. This is not a new find, as this used to be Master Mongers favorite place, but that was then and this is now. The place was closed for several months and has gone under a total rennovation.
The place is pretty decent and very clean. They have a grand opening special of 38 rmb for 2 hours. HJ is an extra 80 rmb and FS was around 350. The room is nice, with a full size bed, flat screen tv and air con in them. I opted for the HJ and was given a nice mid-20's gal from Sichuan. Decent looking (6-7) and she let me fondle her boobs while she spanked my monkey. The girls wear dresses to massage (like a KTV gals dress). Total was 118, no tip.
Overall pretty good place and if your looking for a place to sleep overnight, this would be ideal as it's cheap, clean and comfortable.
-CPE
Roughly what is right to tip in these massage places?
Is 50 RMB too much or ok or too little for the girl (if she gives a HJ) and more importantly how much do you give the shower boys?
Old Mean Dog
05-28-08, 18:45
Roughly what is right to tip in these massage places?
Is 50 RMB too much or ok or too little for the girl (if she gives a HJ) and more importantly how much do you give the shower boys?
If I feel I get good service, I give them a 10 rmb tip. Since the HJ is included in the price, you don't really need to tip at all. As far as the locker room attendents (I'll refrain from calling them shower boys ;)) I float them 5 rmb. They always put a 20 or 50 rmb note on the tray, but I've never seen anyone give them this amount.
-CPE
Steven Jones
05-28-08, 19:28
If I feel I get good service, I give them a 10 rmb tip. Since the HJ is included in the price, you don't really need to tip at all. As far as the locker room attendents (I'll refrain from calling them shower boys ;)) I float them 5 rmb. They always put a 20 or 50 rmb note on the tray, but I've never seen anyone give them this amount.
-CPE
Yeah the place I went the shower attendants had 2 100 RMB notes on the tip tray and I think I either gave them 20 or 50 RMB, but at least I know now that I got ripped off.
Hey guys, I know this a little "off the reservation" as it were, but I does anyone have good info about golfing at Mission Hills? I am curious about memberships and/or greens fees, etc.
Thanks in advance!
Fast Eddie 48
05-30-08, 06:12
As of May 16th, multiple entry visas are only issued in HK if and only if 1) You have a Hong Kong ID and 2) You have an official "Visa Notification Form" issued by a government agency in China. The interesting part is that NO ONE has a clue what a "Visa Notification Form" is. the best you can get out of HK is a single or double tourist visa and for that you MUST have a return ticket or a hotel reservation even if you go to Shenzhen for a day trip. Also, the fastest you can get a visa is now 2 days (it used to be 1).
My advice, if you don't have a visa, DON'T leave home without it! :)
APAC ManApac man,
I have more options.
I have a friend based in HK who travels to China 2-3 times a month.
He has an expried multi entries visa.
He traveled to Thailand to the Chinese consulate and got the visa.
This only applies to Hong kong.
I laugh it my friend and ask him "Is that the only reason you go to Thailand".
Fast eddie 48
ManonsanBoy
05-30-08, 20:59
Hey guys, I know this a little "off the reservation" as it were, but I does anyone have good info about golfing at Mission Hills? I am curious about memberships and/or greens fees, etc.
Thanks in advance!
Visit www.golf007.com
Thank you for the golf report!
While I am at it, do any of you gents have a good relationship with an international bank that you might recommend. I am looking for one that allows easy electronic transfers and will accept deposits in either Euros or dollars. Thank you once again for the info!
I really like HSBC for a foreign bank on the mainland. Multiple currency accounts, online banking, etc. You're still limited by all China Central Government policies ($50,000 USD to RMB max exchange per year) but otherwise it's pretty good. I keep both a HK and a mainland account, as the HK account is much more flexible to move money into and out of, and gives me a worldwide debit card (which is coming to China for foreign banks but isn't here yet). For foreigners on the mainland you have to open the account with at least 500,000 RMB and maintain that balance to avoid the service fee (what, no free checking??? Welcome to China).
Loveasiangirls
05-31-08, 17:39
I really like HSBC for a foreign bank on the mainland. Multiple currency accounts, online banking, etc. You're still limited by all China Central Government policies ($50,000 USD to RMB max exchange per year) but otherwise it's pretty good. I keep both a HK and a mainland account, as the HK account is much more flexible to move money into and out of, and gives me a worldwide debit card (which is coming to China for foreign banks but isn't here yet). For foreigners on the mainland you have to open the account with at least 500,000 RMB and maintain that balance to avoid the service fee (what, no free checking??? Welcome to China).
I opened a bank account in Shanghai with Bank of China and all I needed was my passport. What do you need to open an account in HK (with HSBC)? Is their web site in english? How about you mainland account, is it also HSBC and do they have an english web site?
Thank you gentlemen. I will take a look on their website and see what I can find out.
Fast Eddie 48
06-01-08, 01:59
I opened a bank account in Shanghai with Bank of China and all I needed was my passport. What do you need to open an account in HK (with HSBC)? Is their web site in english? How about you mainland account, is it also HSBC and do they have an english web site?Loveasaiangirl,
HSBC bank is worldwide.
There are branch in the US and you can open an saving or money market account in RMB or HKD here.
A good idea since the USD is dropping, but if you want to withdrawl money in China you need to open an seprate account in China.
Fast eddie 48
Is their web site in english? How about you mainland account, is it also HSBC and do they have an english web site?
HSBC's HK and China websites are in Engish and Chinese. They are easy to navigate and show clearly the exchange rates and interest rates for RMB & others. You can open an account with either using your passport or a HK I.D. if you have one.
This relates to HSBC in China only. To open an account there and get the 3.2% RmB interest rate you need to deposit RmB500,000. Citibank is similar. StanChartered is somewhat more relaxed.
In all cases closing an account and sending money outside China is cumbersome requiring all deposits slips and proof of where the deposit money was earned ie: the regulations seek to establish that it was from employment, investment or a business activity (note all three require foreigners to have a license). So investigate this thoroughly.
Opening an account in HK is pretty much the same as any other international world city. As a non-resident you will need an initial deposit (foreign currency can be converted or maybe even lodged directly), passport & official proof of your residence eg: electricity bill or bank statement from a bank in your home country or a government demand for taxes. Its no use bemoaning, these are required in HK because of international standards against money laundering and Banking is a regulated industry.
In China their requirements are set by SAFE (State Admin for Foreign Exchange) in addition to regulatory authorities. Don't overlook the fact that China has a closed Capital Account and, hence, an obstensibly non-convertible currency
HSBC's HK and China websites are in Engish and Chinese. They are easy to navigate and show clearly the exchange rates and interest rates for RMB & others. You can open an account with either using your passport or a HK I.D. if you have one.
Yes I have RTFF, not a problem and I know about the pink building behind the Shangra-La. etc.
However I am more interested in the bar scene like in HK or Shanghai for that matter, where I have been going on my china trips and have had a great time.
I will be staying in LouWhu for a few days and although I have already spend a few evenings having a drink on the top floor at Shagri-La there is no P4P talent there.
So if a fellow monger can give me some directions I would apreciate it.
Wizard
I forgot to add that I would also like to find out what the going rate is for LT in a Shenzhen LouWhu P4P bar girl, also is it just Chinese girls or do the Thais or the Filipinas come over to Shenzhen as well.
Wizard
Min Shenzhen
06-01-08, 13:43
I feel a bit silly asking about this on this board, but with the recent discussion about banks in China, perhaps someone would know. I'm interested in taking out a mortgage in China to buy a first apartment, but I want to take the mortgage in HKD or USD. I have gone to several banks website, and even had a meeting with Standard Chartered (where I keep my money), but even though the websites say it's possible no one seems to be able to offer the service. Does anyone have more information?
And just to add something to the forum. I found a neat little alcove of BBS. Girls probably a 6-8 ranking. It's in Shekou near the ren ren le between nan hai da dao and hou hai. If you cross the street in front of ren ren le and walk down the road you will see some red light and there about 6 shops. There is a large fruit stand on a corner store.
Thanks!
Apac man,
I have more options.
I have a friend based in HK who travels to China 2-3 times a month.
He has an expried multi entries visa.
He traveled to Thailand to the Chinese consulate and got the visa.
This only applies to Hong Kong.
I laugh it my friend and ask him "Is that the only reason you go to Thailand".
Fast eddie 48
That's good to know! A few years ago I was in Singapore with an expired Chinese Visa and went to the consulate there and they even did not give me the application! They told me only Singapore residents can apply there and showed me the exit! :(
And yes, all that I put in my message is what was/is on China's Foreign Ministry's web site at:
http://www.fmcoprc.gov.hk/eng/zgqz/bgfwxx/default.htm
and only is about getting Visa in HK.
Did your friend get a tourist Visa or business Visa?
APAC Man
Fast Eddie 48
06-02-08, 03:43
That's good to know! A few years ago I was in Singapore with an expired Chinese Visa and went to the consulate there and they even did not give me the application! They told me only Singapore residents can apply there and showed me the exit! :(
And yes, all that I put in my message is what was/is on China's Foreign Ministry's web site at:
http://www.fmcoprc.gov.hk/eng/zgqz/bgfwxx/default.htm
and only is about getting Visa in HK.
Did your friend get a tourist Visa or business Visa?
APAC ManApac man,
I don't think you have been RTFF.
This only applied to Multi entries visa in SAR hong kong and macau.
They stop offer this in April, and until Oct for no reasons, so if you are working in HK need to go China.
All the time you need to go outside HK to get it.
My friend when to the Bangkok China consulate for a 2 yr multi business entries visa .
I don't this even apply to you just get your china visa in Singapore before you leave understand is not that hard.
Fast eddie 48
I forgot to add that I would also like to find out what the going rate is for LT in a Shenzhen LouWhu P4P bar girl, also is it just Chinese girls or do the Thais or the Filipinas come over to Shenzhen as well.
Wizard
Don't know much about the bar scene in Shenzhen. There is or was a bar called U Bar near Lowu, but it was mostly ugly and over-priced gals. There are a bunch of nice bars and a Starbucks on the plaza outside the Jusco store on Shennan Lu. Near metro stop Science Museum. Not a working girl place, but a nice place to go and you might get lucky.
There are a bunch of bars at the football stadium, but again they are not for working girls, but you can find a few there.
There is a short stretch of bars on a street near the Futian Walmart area. Dont remember the names or street, but not much there.
Most of the western style bars are in Shekou.
For more bar info do a websearch for ShenzhenParty.Com
Does anybody have the time to post an updated list of bars in Shenzhen and Shekou?
Apac man,
I don't think you have been RTFF.
This only applied to Multi entries visa in SAR hong kong and macau.
They stop offer this in April, and until Oct for no reasons, so if you are working in HK need to go China.
All the time you need to go outside HK to get it.
My friend when to the Bangkok China consulate for a 2 yr multi business entries visa .
I don't this even apply to you just get your china visa in Singapore before you leave understand is not that hard.
Fast eddie 48
Hmmmm.. I am not sure how you made the conclusion that I did not RTFF!
They changed the Visa rules in preparation for Olympic. So it is for a reason!
What part of my message was not clear? Chinese consulate in Singapore does NOT accept an application for Visa to Mainland China from people who are NOT Singapore resident. Period! You can Check their web site at http://www.chinaembassy.org.sg/eng/ if you think I did not RTFF.
Respectfully,
APAC Man
I feel a bit silly asking about this on this board, but with the recent discussion about banks in China, perhaps someone would know. I'm interested in taking out a mortgage in China to buy a first apartment, but I want to take the mortgage in HKD or USD. I have gone to several banks website, and even had a meeting with Standard Chartered (where I keep my money), but even though the websites say it's possible no one seems to be able to offer the service. Does anyone have more information?The websites were probably prepared before the dollar started falling relative to other currencies. Even though the USD is nominally pegged to the yuan, the peg will probably shift downward in the future so most banks won't want to hold a mortgage denominated in our non-legal tender depreciating currency. If you can find an offer, the interest rate will probably be outrageous because the Federal Reserve can't enforce artificially low American interest rates in other countries.
That being said, good luck finding what you need.
SE Asia Joe
06-02-08, 10:52
And..... going back to mongering....
Sh3enzhen Hubei new village. RMB150 all in, but only CBJ, Hunan 18 yo cracker jack. Really crappy room.
Sorry - crappy telephone camera - but at least I now don't need to crop her face etc!
SEAJ
And..... going back to mongering....
Sh3enzhen Hubei new village. RMB150 all in, but only CBJ, Hunan 18 yo cracker jack. Really crappy room.
Sorry - crappy telephone camera - but at least I now don't need to crop her face etc!
SEAJ
WOW! What a rack on a really tiny girl.
ES
SE Asia Joe
06-02-08, 11:08
WOW! What a rack on a really tiny girl.
ES
YUP - huge really!!! And she was quite pretty plus it was a helluva nice ride she gave me!!
SEAJ
I was in Shenzhen for business and had some time to kill in the late afternoon. Since I was in the Lo Wu area, I decided to give the ‘pink’ apartment behind the Shangri La a try.
First of all, the apartment buildings are more salmon than pink. The buildings are 5-6 stories high and the first floor is restaurants, a few retail stores, and lots of barbershops where nobody is getting haircuts and has lots of scantily clad women sitting around. You won’t have any trouble identifying the P4P women.
I had to say, however, that I was very disappointed in the quality. Maybe because it was around 4:00 in the afternoon on a Monday, but I thought most of the girls were over 30 and only 4’s and 5’s as far as quality. I thought the quality was very poor.
I saw only one young hottie that I wanted to bang, but she wouldn’t budge from 300 so I walked.
At one time, a troop of about 15 Army soldiers marched through the area. They didn’t bother anyone and everybody acted like it was nothing to be worried about. Frankly, I thought it made the place feel safer.
I won’t go back though. The quality was so poor that I lost my mongering appetite.
Min Shenzhen
06-02-08, 12:12
I've been interested in seeing if I could get a BBS girl to do anal for a while but never had the balls to ask. But today I was in a BBS near Di Wang and found a girl, 22, very cute. When we were going at it doggy I whispered into her ear (in Chinese): Don't be mad for me asking but have you ever had anal sex before? She said no and I asked if she wanted to try. She said it would hurt. I said I'll be very gentle and if she wants to stop I will, and that I'll add 500RMB. She accepted and it was really really great. Clearly her first time, I took it slow and we both had some good laughs afterwards. Has anyone had this experience or know of a better/cheaper way to approach the subject?
Everyone keeps on asking me where this is, and asking to post directions.
Let me make this easy for you,
SIANG SHE CHUN - thats the name in Mandarin
Some one correct me if my pi ying is bad.
Its right across from the Sunshine hotel in Lowhu.
Old Mean Dog
06-02-08, 17:25
First of all, the apartment buildings are more salmon than pink.
Hahaha...funny. Well pink apartments rolls off the tongue much easier than salmon apartments and in a standard box of crayons, you won't find such a color.
Those have been the "Pink" apartments for a long time on ISG, best just to leave them at that.
I agree that the quality of gals at the 'Pink" apartments pales in comparison to the girls in the Seibu area.
-CPE
BTW: I think they look more like "Melon"
http://www.crayola.com/colorcensus/history/current_120_colors.cfm
Min Shenzhen
06-02-08, 17:41
But 2 days ago at 1pm it was pretty hopping.
Hahaha...funny. Well pink apartments rolls off the tongue much easier than salmon apartments ...
Plus, salmon sound so fishy (pun intended) :)
APAC Man
Steven Jones
06-02-08, 22:11
And..... going back to mongering....
Sh3enzhen Hubei new village. RMB150 all in, but only CBJ, Hunan 18 yo cracker jack. Really crappy room.
Sorry - crappy telephone camera - but at least I now don't need to crop her face etc!
SEAJ
Damn she is sweet!
Sukhumvitter
06-03-08, 02:19
Last night I went venturing to an old haunt.
There are a series of BBS shops near the Shekou Walmart (15 min walk) that I've been to before. I remember there being some cute, young, spinners (my type) so I ventured back last night. Found a Cute Tiny Young Thing for 150 RMB. She must have been 5 foot even and maybe 35 Kg dripping wet. She said she was 18 but she looked abit older (hard living perhaps, or a hard life more likely). Service was so-so (no bbbj), but for such a tiny thing she took me all in without a whimper! LOL Not a clock watcher and really worked hard to make me cum. I was a happy camper.
I was delighted to find out that these BBS shops are just down the street from the Good Friends Health City that has been talked about here before. Previously I approached these shops from the NanHai Blvd side rather than the HouHai Blvd side so I didn’t make the connection.
They are a string of 4 or 5 shops on a tiny side street, off of a small side street, off of a medium side street, between two big boulevards. Does that help? LOL
Anyway here are the directions. Also see attached map.
From either NanHai or HouHai you need to find LongCheng road. This is a cross street that runs between both. It is north of the Shekou Wal-Mart and south of the HaiYa department store. There is an A-best near the street on the NanHai Blvd side.
At the end of LongCheng on the NanHai side look for a convenience store on the corner (it's one of those with the horse logo). At the end of LongCheng on the HouHai side is the Good Friends Health City.
Walking from NanHai: go down LongCheng two streets and turn right. The first street you pass is NanShang road. The second street has no sign that I could see but it dead ends at LongCheng coming from the south. There is a small restaurant with big glass windows on this corner. On your walk from NanHai you will have noticed the "In Bar" and the "Solo Bar". Both look like the typical Chinese place with high-back booths and some girls loitering about ready to have you buy them drinks. I’ll check them out later.
Just past the bars will be the no-name street coming from the south with the restaurant on the corner. Turn down this street and pass another small street entering from the right. There is another chic bar on this corner. Continue walking along 20 meters or so to come to a very small street entering from the right. Down this street you will see 4 or 5 BBS shops. If you continued walking you would pass a HJ shop with girls in uniforms (35 RMB, 15 min, rub and tug) and eventually come out near the A-Best store on NanHai just north of Wal-Mart.
See the attached simple map and the biz card for Good Friends Health City.
PM me with any questions
Before you pack and head for Bangkok to get a visa, please note that effective from April 15th to September 15th ALL Chinese consulate worldwide, with NO exception, will only issue tourist (L) visa for one or 2 entries. I have called various Consulate offices, including the Chinese Consulate in Bangkok and I've got the same answer from all.
Multiple entry business visa will be issued but you need the approval of the Chinese Foreign Ministry and to get that, it probably take until September anyway, so you might as well wait. The documents needed to get this approval has been designed to make it almost impossible to obtain. The list is one page long and they want things like your resume and your company financial reports.
Also, and it is very important, most consulates only service people who are the resident of that country. For example, the consulate in Singapore will only issue Visas to Singapore residents. So do not leave home thinking on the way to China you will get the visa from another place.
Of course your uncle's neighbour son-in-law's second cousin might have got a multiple entry visa from the consulate in Gherghizestan, but that is a rare exception and not the rule! :)
Be safe,
APAC Man
Lad78,
The price can be misleading. Saunas operate differently. Some will have a room charge + tip, while others will quote inclusive of FS. It is best to just ask directly and forget about being polite about it. Be specific about what you want and ask how much you are expected to pay for it.
Just my POV.
OAHI spend 2 nights in Shenzhen last week and stayed in Hanyong Hotel in Fuyong.
As predicted by SE Joe the Hotel sauna was a full service one. :-)
Actually is not even a real sauna, just a whole floor with rooms in it.
The price was RMB 600 for 90 minutes, but with the help of my chinese colleague it was negotiated down to RMB 500.
I picked a very cute girl from a line up of 4 and had her sent up to my room (which by the way had a huge shower..very nice).
This was the best fuck of my trip (I was also in Shanghai & Changzhou earlier on) and the girl actually stayed 2 hours....Total damage was RMB 500 + 50 tip coz she actually stayed almost half an hour more and anyway the service was just amazing.
The second night in Shenzhen I ventured with some chinese suppliers to a nice KTV. I spent about 3 hours in there and I got really pissed.
I decided to take my girl back to the Hotel with me, and we agreed at RMB 500 for 90 minutes.
The session was very nice, but I was really drunk.
I say this because at some stage, without me realizing, the condom must have slipped off and I think I went bareback for a while...Now I'm of course a bit worried and will have to get myself tested very soon, I really don't know what is the standard of cleanliness and healthyness of the KTV girls in Shenzhen..It was a stupid move anyway, sometime the alchool really takes your head away! :-(
The girl ended up staying all night as well, so in the morning I gave her RMB 500 + 70-80 tip (I was leaving the day after so I got rid of the RMB extras I had..).
So this is it, I really liked Shenzhen's girls attitude actually. I just hope I didn't catch anything due to my drunken state....I guess I'll find out soon! but I think to get tested for HIV you have to wait for 1 month....at least...fingers crossed!
Cheers
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
I say this because at some stage, without me realizing, the condom must have slipped off and I think I went bareback for a while...Now I'm of course a bit worried and will have to get myself tested very soon, I really don't know what is the standard of cleanliness and healthyness of the KTV girls in Shenzhen..It was a stupid move anyway, sometime the alchool really takes your head away! :-(
........Cheers
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.Lad
I am just generalizing. If it is a high end KTV most of the girls are recommended to get routine checks. My friend has a high end one in Shenzhen and he usually require his girls to be checked regularly and must prove to him that they are healthy. He is afraid that if one of the customer gets shit and words gets out, he may lose a lot of business. Usually for KTV girls they do way less customer than a sauna or bbs girl.
Do get check and you maybe okay. I usually bring my own supply of condoms that I buy in the US rather than buying the cheaper local brand. This is just my POV.
. I'm interested in taking out a mortgage in China to buy a first apartment, but I want to take the mortgage in HKD or USD.
Thanks!
I was told by the staff at an HSBC premiere center that they can provide mortgages in either HKD or USD for foreigners to purchase mainland property as long as it is for at least the equivelent of one million RMB.
Lad
I am just generalizing. If it is a high end KTV most of the girls are recommended to get routine checks. My friend has a high end one in Shenzhen and he usually require his girls to be checked regularly and must prove to him that they are healthy. He is afraid that if one of the customer gets shit and words gets out, he may lose a lot of business. Usually for KTV girls they do way less customer than a sauna or bbs girl.
Do get check and you maybe okay. I usually bring my own supply of condoms that I buy in the US rather than buying the cheaper local brand. This is just my POV.Yes, actually that was my hope as well, I mean the fact that KTV girls usually don't "do" one customer (or more) each day...at least the rate is surely not like BBS or Sauna girls.
Anyway, I hope you are right and that these girls do get checked.
Lad
I am just generalizing. If it is a high end KTV most of the girls are recommended to get routine checks.
Don't think it was high end if the girl agree to ST for 500RMB. Typical for high end is 1200 for ST. Most likely, the girl was a floater. At a lot of the small KTVs and bars, the rate for the floater girls is 2/4/7.
Don't think it was high end if the girl agree to ST for 500RMB. Typical for high end is 1200 for ST. Most likely, the girl was a floater. At a lot of the small KTVs and bars, the rate for the floater girls is 2/4/7.To be honest, I don't know how could I tell if it was "high end" or not. I mean the place was really luxurious, the room was huge, and the girls. Well. A lot of quality there! So I don't really know.
I'd also like to point out that the rate I got for ST (500 RMB), which then become LT anyway, was negotiated by Chinese people (my colleague & our suppliers) so it may well be that I got a better rate than usual, I don't know. And was also too drunk to realize.
I've been interested in seeing if I could get a BBS girl to do anal for a while but never had the balls to ask. But today I was in a BBS near Di Wang and found a girl, 22, very cute. When we were going at it doggy I whispered into her ear (in Chinese): Don't be mad for me asking but have you ever had anal sex before? She said no and I asked if she wanted to try. She said it would hurt. I said I'll be very gentle and if she wants to stop I will, and that I'll add 500RMB. She accepted and it was really really great. Clearly her first time, I took it slow and we both had some good laughs afterwards. Has anyone had this experience or know of a better/cheaper way to approach the subject?
An "extra 500rmb" to a bbs girl for anal seems like an very high BSD price to me.
I'm not a fan of doing anal anyway and I don't really understand why some guys need that. So, what the fuck do I know?
I've been interested in seeing if I could get a BBS girl to do anal for a while but never had the balls to ask. But today I was in a BBS near Di Wang and found a girl, 22, very cute. When we were going at it doggy I whispered into her ear (in Chinese): Don't be mad for me asking but have you ever had anal sex before? She said no and I asked if she wanted to try. She said it would hurt. I said I'll be very gentle and if she wants to stop I will, and that I'll add 500RMB. She accepted and it was really really great. Clearly her first time, I took it slow and we both had some good laughs afterwards. Has anyone had this experience or know of a better / cheaper way to approach the subject?Min,
Maybe you should pretend and miss the original hole and put it in the other one. She will probably tell you that it is the wrong hole. Just say. "teng bui doung. Teng bui duong" and when you are done. You just say opps. I did the wrong hole. Honest mistake. Maybe after a series of strokes she will get use to it and like it. Since she laugh afterward, she somewhat enjoy it.
SE Asia Joe
06-06-08, 05:52
Gents:
Was chatting w/a fellow monger (who is unfortunately incommunicado this week) who told me that the
Best way to go to Chang An City, Donggguan is:
to go on a 7 seater van from Huanggang border crossing who for RMB50 will take you to your hotel there (stops at each hotel designated by the passengers).
Anybody here can please give me details on these 7 seater vans - i.e. where do I get them in Huanggang, which company etc as I need to get up to CA later on today.
Thanks!!
Is it ever going to stop raining??? This weather is doing nothing to help the local mongering economy (except perhaps indoors at KTVs and Sauna joints).
On a positive note I met up with Sukhumvitter the other night in Shekou to compare notes and make plans for our collective "Spring Offensive" against the Chinese mainland. I find it amazing what can be learned when visiting with fellow mongers, especially ones like Sukhumvitter.
Hi guys,
Sorry my first posting is a bit of a sob story but I thought I should pass this on in the hope that it doesn't happen to anyone else.
Last week I had to attend a seminar at the Ming Wah confererce centre in Shekou. Normally, I would just take the last ferry back but as it had been nearly a year since I'd been in Shenzhen, and the company was paying, I decided to stay overnight and get up to some mischief.
I booked into the Fuzhon Hotel, which was excellant, and after dinner headed up to the bar street near the ferry terminal. Most of the bars were empty of punters and full of realy clapped out looking girls. I ended up in one called Mei Mei bar, after buying a few girls drinks I foolishly got into a Tequila drinking contest with a girl called Angel. For a Chinese girl she could really knock back the slammers!
Anyway, I got pretty drunk and as the night progresed Angel seemed to have super glued herself to me and I couldn't get rid of her. I negotiated a price (500) and took her back to the hotel.
It was when she came out of the shower I realised how drunk I must have been. This girl was really ugly, droopy tits, saggy strench marked belly, scars on her ass. I tried to do the bussiness but, honestly, the stench fom her pussy almost had me puking. I told her I was too tired and she gave me a very poor BBBJ and I fell asleep.
I awoke with a fully dressed Angel shaking my shoulder and telling me she had to leave and would I give her money. I paid up, she left and I went back to sleep. When I eventually got up I showered and dressed and discovered my phone was missing. Guys, admittedly I was drunk but I know I had the phone with me as I always check my SMS before going to bed, it's a routine I always follow.
I delayed getting the ferry and returned to the Mei Mei bar at 7, suprise suprise no Angel. I explained things to the mama san Janey, I told her I was not interestd in explantions or looking for apologies, just that I needed the phone as there are some important numbers and photos that I just can't lose. Janey called Angel and came back and said that she didn't have my phone. I decided to change tact and said I would go for a walk and come back in an hour and if the phone was on the bar I would leave 2, 000rmb (the cost of the phone) no questions asked, no recriminations and everyones happy.
When I returned there was still no Angel and, more importantly, no cell phone. After I raised my voice and threatened to go to the cops the mamma san said if I caused any trouble she would call her "uncles" to sort it out.
I know that this was partly my fault but I always thought taking a girl out of one of those Shekou bars was reasonably safe.
Needless to say I won't be returning to Shekou in a hurray, and Angel is anything but!
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Gents:
Was chatting w/a fellow monger (who is unfortunately incommunicado this week) who told me that the
Best way to go to Chang An City, Donggguan is:
to go on a 7 seater van from Huanggang border crossing who for RMB50 will take you to your hotel there (stops at each hotel designated by the passengers).
Anybody here can please give me details on these 7 seater vans - i.e. where do I get them in Huanggang, which company etc as I need to get up to CA later on today.
Thanks!!
I once did a KLIA via HuangGang to Chang An and it was a minivan from the China side of the Border where these guys were waiting for passengers.
In fact at that place, the passengers of my bus from the airport were re-distributed from a large bus to these minivans.
Hope this helps.
C.
Hi guys,
Sorry my first posting is a sob story but I thought I should pass this on in the hope that it doesn't happen to anyone else.
Last week I had to attend a seminar at the Ming Wah conference centre in Shekou. Normally, I would just take the last ferry back but as it had been nearly a year since I’d been in Shenzhen, and the company was paying, I decided to stay overnight and get up to some mischief.
I booked into the Fuzhon Hotel, which was excellent, and after dinner headed up to the bar street near the ferry terminal. Most of the bars were empty of punters and full of really clapped out looking girls. I ended up in one called Mei Mei bar, after buying a few girls drinks I foolishly got into a Tequila drinking contest with a girl called Angel. For a Chinese girl she could really knock back the slammers!
Anyway, I got pretty drunk and as the night progressed Angel seemed to have super glued herself to me and I couldn't get rid of her. I negotiated a price (500) and took her back to the hotel.
It was when she came out of the shower I realised how drunk I must have been. This girl was really ugly, droopy tits, saggy stretch marked belly, scars on her ass. I tried to do the business but, honestly, the stench from her pussy almost had me puking. I told her I was too tired and she gave me a very poor BBBJ and I fell asleep.
I awoke in the morning with a fully dressed Angel shaking my shoulder and telling me she had to leave and would I give her money. I paid up, she left and I went back to sleep. When I eventually got up I showered and dressed and discovered my phone was missing. Guys, admittedly I was drunk but I know I had the phone with me as I always check my SMS before going to bed, it's a routine I always follow.
I delayed getting the ferry and returned to the Mei Mei bar at 7 that night, surprise surprise no Angel. I explained things to the mama san Janey, I told her I was not interested in explanations or looking for apologies, just that I needed the phone as there are some important numbers and photos that I just can't lose. Janey called Angel and came back and said that she didn't have my phone. I decided to change tact and counted out 2, 000rmb from my wallet, said I would go for a walk and come back in an hour and if the phone was on the bar I would leave the money (the cost of the phone) no questions asked, no recriminations and everyone’s happy.
When I returned there was still no Angel and, more importantly, no cell phone. After I raised my voice and threatened to go to the cops the mamma san said if I caused any trouble she would call her "uncles" to sort it out.
I know that this was partly my fault but I always thought taking a girl out of one of those Shekou bars was reasonably safe.
Needless to say I won’t be returning to Shekou in a hurry, and Angel is anything but!
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Rockabilly77
06-08-08, 01:20
So I took a few members advice and booked at the metro park hotel. I think it is a great hotel for the price. The rate is 400 per night (doesn’t include breakfast), the room is excellent. I like that it has a separate sitting area (good for sitting around and having a few drinks with friends), includes internet a safe and kitchenette. Breakfast buffet is 55 (I think) and it isn’t that bad.
Last trip I stayed at the Panglin and it was more then double the price; the rooms were smaller and didn’t have a seating area. The Panglin is a nicer hotel, but the rooms in the Metro Park are better IMHO.
First day arrived at 9am and had to work all day, got back to my room at 7pm, took a rest and headed out to seibu area at 2am. First things first needed an umbrella (this rain just won’t let up), the rain is hindering the amount of time I want to wonder the streets looking for a 10. So I went wondering down a street and found a little sex shop and popped in and bought some Viagra (fake probably) 138 for 4x100mg, great selection of toys were on display also, so I think I'll head back and get some props for later. After grabbing the V’s I bought a beer and washed one down and turned down a alley that had some lights on, walked by one bbs and saw nothing that was of any interest (they also showed no interest) and then another something. The next bbs I walked by this girl starts giving me the hand gesture of finger in the hole. She seemed eager to go, after some negotiating I got the boss to agree to 200 total to take her back to my room. Good service, bbj, non rushed, cof and she was about a 7. She had a great attitude and although we couldn’t speak each others language we made out ok with some sign language.
Next morning woke up at about 6am, walked across to McDonalds for a coffee and then went for a wander thru the streets, saw some bbs still opened but didn’t stop to have a look, went back to hotel for breakfast buffet at 7am. After the buffet me and a friend wandered down the hall to the massage room, the place was unlocked so we walked in and I guess the boss was asleep as it was only 8am, he came out of the back and told us he would send us some beautiful girls to our rooms in 10 minutes, the price quoted for massage was 68 for hour. My girl showed up and to my surprise she wasn’t bad looking at all (I was expecting a mutt), she started message and then I began my negotiation. The best price I could get was 400 for full service; she was hot with a nice rack so I took it. She hopped in the shower and when she came out I was surprised at how nice her rack was. She had great set of tits, from the distance I thought they were enhanced but upon inspection found them to be real. She knew how to use her rack well and did a great body slide. Service was great, non rushed but no bbj. After the session I got here number, so I'm thinking of calling her again for a repeat session. Great way to start a day!
Tonight I will try to find the pink apartments!
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Thanks for the post.
Most likely your SIM card was trashed within minutes of the phone being out of your control (the SIM can be traced) and the phone itself was sold as a blank or with a new SIM card. This has happened in the US to me and i have seen it happen in multiple other places.
You got trashed and paid the penalty in several ways. The lessons are salient, most particularly while China is overall very safe, if you get wasted you are vulnerable.
I now lock my company cell phone in the hotel room safe before venturing out and use a basic Nokia with a local SIM card.
Hi guys,
Sorry my first posting is a bit of a sob story but I thought I should pass this on in the hope that it doesn't happen to anyone else.
Last week I had to attend a seminar at the Ming Wah confererce centre in Shekou. Normally, I would just take the last ferry back but as it had been nearly a year since I'd been in Shenzhen, and the company was paying, I decided to stay overnight and get up to some mischief.
I booked into the Fuzhon Hotel, which was excellant, and after dinner headed up to the bar street near the ferry terminal. Most of the bars were empty of punters and full of realy clapped out looking girls. I ended up in one called Mei Mei bar, after buying a few girls drinks I foolishly got into a Tequila drinking contest with a girl called Angel. For a Chinese girl she could really knock back the slammers!
Anyway, I got pretty drunk and as the night progresed Angel seemed to have super glued herself to me and I couldn't get rid of her. I negotiated a price (500) and took her back to the hotel.
It was when she came out of the shower I realised how drunk I must have been. This girl was really ugly, droopy tits, saggy strench marked belly, scars on her ass. I tried to do the bussiness but, honestly, the stench fom her pussy almost had me puking. I told her I was too tired and she gave me a very poor BBBJ and I fell asleep.
I awoke with a fully dressed Angel shaking my shoulder and telling me she had to leave and would I give her money. I paid up, she left and I went back to sleep. When I eventually got up I showered and dressed and discovered my phone was missing. Guys, admittedly I was drunk but I know I had the phone with me as I always check my SMS before going to bed, it's a routine I always follow.
I delayed getting the ferry and returned to the Mei Mei bar at 7, suprise suprise no Angel. I explained things to the mama san Janey, I told her I was not interestd in explantions or looking for apologies, just that I needed the phone as there are some important numbers and photos that I just can't lose. Janey called Angel and came back and said that she didn't have my phone. I decided to change tact and said I would go for a walk and come back in an hour and if the phone was on the bar I would leave 2, 000rmb (the cost of the phone) no questions asked, no recriminations and everyones happy.
When I returned there was still no Angel and, more importantly, no cell phone. After I raised my voice and threatened to go to the cops the mamma san said if I caused any trouble she would call her "uncles" to sort it out.
I know that this was partly my fault but I always thought taking a girl out of one of those Shekou bars was reasonably safe.
Needless to say I won't be returning to Shekou in a hurray, and Angel is anything but!
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Hi guys,
Sorry my first posting is a bit of a sob story
I ended up in one called Mei Mei bar, after buying a few girls drinks I foolishly got into a Tequila drinking contest with a girl called Angel. For a Chinese girl she could really knock back the slammers!
Anyway, I got pretty drunk
I showered and dressed and discovered my phone was missing.
And, I will guess, as the drinking contest progressed, her drinks became weaker (tea?) and yours became stronger. And, maybe she got a little kickback from the bar.
And, I will guess, as the drinking contest progressed, her drinks became weaker (tea?) and yours became stronger. And, maybe she got a little kickback from the bar.I am the first to admit I was an asshole that night getting so trashed. I usually take the normal precautions, in fact my wallet went in the room safe as soon as I got in, but I didn’t reckon on getting my phone ripped as it’s a old Moto and not worth much, a couple of hundred re-sale value maximum.
What got to me, and why I posted, was the brazenness of it. I know, from friends, that this girl still works there yet the mamma’s reaction was to threaten me if I “gei ta ma fan”. Surely not good for business on her part. I’ve been in HK/PRC for a number of years and have plundered many WG’s from the BBS and bar scene and always felt a little safer in the knowledge that there was a degree of security, some kind of accountability, if the girl worked out of an establishment as opposed to taking a SW.
Is it the case now that these Shekou bars are so devoid of customers that anything goes? It's been a while since I've been up there but I remember it as always being busy with some good looking girls. Not any more.
Sounds like a place to avoid.
Do we have a a thread for that in the China section?
I am the first to admit I was an asshole that night getting so trashed. I usually take the normal precautions, in fact my wallet went in the room safe as soon as I got in, but I didn’t reckon on getting my phone ripped as it’s a old Moto and not worth much, a couple of hundred re-sale value maximum.
What got to me, and why I posted, was the brazenness of it. I know, from friends, that this girl still works there yet the mamma’s reaction was to threaten me if I “gei ta ma fan”. Surely not good for business on her part. I’ve been in HK/PRC for a number of years and have plundered many WG’s from the BBS and bar scene and always felt a little safer in the knowledge that there was a degree of security, some kind of accountability, if the girl worked out of an establishment as opposed to taking a SW.
Is it the case now that these Shekou bars are so devoid of customers that anything goes? It's been a while since I've been up there but I remember it as always being busy with some good looking girls. Not any more.
An update, and my last word on the saga. On Thursday night I persuaded an old work mate, who lives in Shenzhen, to venture up to Shekou and see if he could get my cell back. Of course she has sold it on but I figured it would be unlikely she would sell it to a complete stranger and with a bit of effort she could get it back and make herself a tidy profit. This took a lot of courage on my part to ask him, firstly I knew he would rip the complete [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) out of me for even buying such a monster a drink never mind paying her to come back to my hotel, (incidentally he did in spades!) Secondly, he is now married to a Chinese girl who seems to have super human sleuthing skills when it comes to her husband’s whereabouts which made him uncomfortable about going over to chicken street.
Anyway he agreed as a favour and went to Mei Mei bar, asked for Angel, bought her a drink then took her into a corner and explained in Mandarin that the phone was important to me. As we had agreed beforehand he offered her the no strings 2000rmb deal, counting the notes out of his wallet for effect, if she returned the cell to him. She listened to him, then went behind the bar and had a lengthy conversation with the mama san. She then came back, smirked and said she knew nothing about any phone. As he was leaving, incredibly, she tried to hustle him for another drink, and then asked about coming back to his hotel.
Mongoose411
06-09-08, 18:06
An update, and my last word on the saga. On Thursday night I persuaded an old work mate, who lives in Shenzhen, to venture up to Shekou and see if he could get my cell back. Of course she has sold it on but I figured it would be unlikely she would sell it to a complete stranger and with a bit of effort she could get it back and make herself a tidy profit. This took a lot of courage on my part to ask him, firstly I knew he would rip the complete [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) out of me for even buying such a monster a drink never mind paying her to come back to my hotel, (incidentally he did in spades!) Secondly, he is now married to a Chinese girl who seems to have super human sleuthing skills when it comes to her husband’s whereabouts which made him uncomfortable about going over to chicken street.
Anyway he agreed as a favour and went to Mei Mei bar, asked for Angel, bought her a drink then took her into a corner and explained in Mandarin that the phone was important to me. As we had agreed beforehand he offered her the no strings 2000rmb deal, counting the notes out of his wallet for effect, if she returned the cell to him. She listened to him, then went behind the bar and had a lengthy conversation with the mama san. She then came back, smirked and said she knew nothing about any phone. As he was leaving, incredibly, she tried to hustle him for another drink, and then asked about coming back to his hotel.Alright this girl seems to have really taken your phone due to the fact that she had a lengthy conversation with the mama san. It's a shame you don't have the resources to take revenge to teach this girl a lesson. If it were me I'd definately find a way to drug her drink and snuff her since karma is not dependable.
Anyways I feel for your loss.
Jc Kiwi,
Have you thought about the possiblity that she did not take your phone?
<<...... admittedly I was drunk but I know I had the phone with me as I always check my SMS before going to bed, it's a routine I always follow.>>
<<...... I told her I was too tired and she gave me a very poor BBBJ and I fell asleep.>>>
You're convicting this girl in the court of public opinion. In US, she's innocent until proven guilty. If you take her to court in US over this phone, Judge Judy would dismiss this case in a minute cos you don't have any physical evidence she took your phone other than she's a one night WG and she left while you're sleeping.
Obviously you now have a bit of a grudge against this bar, but why are you so convinced she took it that morning?
What's her motive?
1) The old phone is not worth much.
2) She knew you can find her at the bar.
Judge Judy would go on asking you: Did it get unpleasant that night? What was the agreed price? What was paid? Do you have another Username on ISG?
HT
SE Asia Joe
06-10-08, 06:58
Alright this girl seems to have really taken your phone due to the fact that she had a lengthy conversation with the mama san. It's a shame you don't have the resources to take revenge to teach this girl a lesson. If it were me I'd definately find a way to drug her drink and snuff her since karma is not dependable.
Anyways I feel for your loss.
MOngoose - you really would make a lousy lawyer!! Ouch - just kidding, just kidding!!
But as hat trick points out - Judge Judy would really throw the book at you guys for accusing this gal.
OK - first, all the "I think" "I'm pretty sure" "Sounds like" "most likely" don't mount to a hill of beans and there is NO evidence, not even circumstantial that I can see - except that JC lost his phone.
"Due to the fact that she had a lengthy conversation with the mama san" - howzabout if the conversation goes something like -
A: "I didn't take no phone but there's a guy out there saying I did, what do I do?"
M: Are you sure he's not the PSB (police)? What does he look like
A: Just another idiot
M: You've got to be careful - he's probably here to make problems for us.
SEAJ
Sukhumvitter
06-10-08, 09:34
MOngoose - you really would make a lousy lawyer!! Ouch - just kidding, just kidding!!
But as hat trick points out - Judge Judy would really throw the book at you guys for accusing this gal.
OK - first, all the "I think" "I'm pretty sure" "Sounds like" "most likely" don't mount to a hill of beans and there is NO evidence, not even circumstantial that I can see - except that JC lost his phone.
"Due to the fact that she had a lengthy conversation with the mama san" - howzabout if the conversation goes something like -
A: "I didn't take no phone but there's a guy out there saying I did, what do I do?"
M: Are you sure he's not the PSB (police)? What does he look like
A: Just another idiot
M: You've got to be careful - he's probably here to make problems for us.
SEAJ
You forgot the last exchange:
A: So are you going to call your "uncles" now to take care of this guy?
M: No, let's wait and see if this guy threatens to call the cops like the first guy did.
Fortunately for him, the Good Samaritan friend wisely did not get up in MamaSan's face about the phone.
Mongoose411
06-10-08, 10:33
MOngoose - you really would make a lousy lawyer!! Ouch - just kidding, just kidding!!
But as hat trick points out - Judge Judy would really throw the book at you guys for accusing this gal.
OK - first, all the "I think" "I'm pretty sure" "Sounds like" "most likely" don't mount to a hill of beans and there is NO evidence, not even circumstantial that I can see - except that JC lost his phone.
"Due to the fact that she had a lengthy conversation with the mama san" - howzabout if the conversation goes something like -
A: "I didn't take no phone but there's a guy out there saying I did, what do I do?"
M: Are you sure he's not the PSB (police)? What does he look like
A: Just another idiot
M: You've got to be careful - he's probably here to make problems for us.
SEAJJoe,
No need to kid around. I know I would make a lousy lawyer, however I was not trying to make a point where it would be a court case.
I was simply just to take justice into my own hands. Besides this happened in China. So your guilty until proven innocent, since here you can just point the finger at someone and say they are guilty. However I would never take that approach. I was simply saying to drug her N snuff her if you had the resources to do so which many gang organizations do in China.
Joe,
No need to kid around. I know I would make a lousy lawyer, however I was not trying to make a point where it would be a court case.
I was simply just to take justice into my own hands. Besides this happened in China. So your guilty until proven innocent, since here you can just point the finger at someone and say they are guilty. However I would never take that approach. I was simply saying to drug her N snuff her if you had the resources to do so which many gang organizations do in China.
Mongoose,
Cool post big fella, but I know you don't want to live in that kind of world. Reminds me of the movie 'Red Corner' where local PSB won't blink an eye lynching a drunken laowei dissing Chinese law, and its citizens, without due process, regardless of guilt or innocense.
HT
Hi guys
Going to stay at shenzhen for few night at mid June.
I don't really like sanua girl (can't stand the fact that probly 10 guy do her before I do.) plus I don't get to choose. I hate it keep telling manason to change girls. I am not sure about street walker, as I know some are police trap and some are trap to rob you.
I think the hair salon hot babe are infected. Why would they work there if they are hot. Easily go to KTV or sanua.
I don't mind paying, I usually take over night service.
I cannot drink beer. (my feet get alot bigger if I do)
What are my option.
I'm thinking website or those hookup agent.
Can you guys help me out.
We can go out for lunch or something as I'm just doing shopping in day time.
SE Asia Joe
06-11-08, 06:43
Joe,
No need to kid around. I know I would make a lousy lawyer, however I was not trying to make a point where it would be a court case.
I was simply just to take justice into my own hands. Besides this happened in China. So your guilty until proven innocent, since here you can just point the finger at someone and say they are guilty. However I would never take that approach. I was simply saying to drug her N snuff her if you had the resources to do so which many gang organizations do in China.
Mongooose Mongooose Mongoooose..... Take it easy young man, take it VERY easy!! You're in China now - NEVER take justice in your own hands here. It NEVER pays to do so - and I can go on forever as to the reasons why. Perhaps next time we meet up again.
Just trust me - don't even think about doing anything even remotely like what you suggested the next time you get in a pickle yourself. Trust me
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
06-11-08, 06:48
Hi guys
Going to stay at shenzhen for few night at mid June.
I don't really like sanua girl (can't stand the fact that probly 10 guy do her before I do.) plus I don't get to choose. I hate it keep telling manason to change girls. I am not sure about street walker, as I know some are police trap and some are trap to rob you.
I think the hair salon hot babe are infected. Why would they work there if they are hot. Easily go to KTV or sanua.
I don't mind paying, I usually take over night service.
I cannot drink beer. (my feet get alot bigger if I do)
What are my option.
I'm thinking website or those hookup agent.
Can you guys help me out.
We can go out for lunch or something as I'm just doing shopping in day time.
No BBS gals, No Sauna Gals, No KTV gals (helll - they're ex sauna BBS gals). Hey, I got the perfect solution for you!
Let me introduce you to your own special, virginal and team of lovelies - PM me and I'll give you the digits for Ole' lady thumb and her four daughters. GREAT TEAM!!
SEAJ
Go to the Mei Mei bar in Shekou and ask for Angel ... just don't get in a drinking competition.
Sounds like you want a fishbowl ... may need a ticket to BKK or Macau.
Hi guys
Going to stay at shenzhen for few night at mid June.
I don't really like sanua girl (can't stand the fact that probly 10 guy do her before I do.) plus I don't get to choose. I hate it keep telling manason to change girls. I am not sure about street walker, as I know some are police trap and some are trap to rob you.
I think the hair salon hot babe are infected. Why would they work there if they are hot. Easily go to KTV or sanua.
I don't mind paying, I usually take over night service.
I cannot drink beer. (my feet get alot bigger if I do)
What are my option.
I'm thinking website or those hookup agent.
Can you guys help me out.
We can go out for lunch or something as I'm just doing shopping in day time.
Anybody want to buy a phone?
Mongoose411
06-11-08, 08:53
Mongooose Mongooose Mongoooose..... Take it easy young man, take it VERY easy!! You're in China now - NEVER take justice in your own hands here. It NEVER pays to do so - and I can go on forever as to the reasons why. Perhaps next time we meet up again.
Just trust me - don't even think about doing anything even remotely like what you suggested the next time you get in a pickle yourself. Trust me
SEAJJoe sorry I scared you for a second there. I was just reminiscing the good O' days.
Anyways those sagamis are awesome but I bought a box of 6 of those okamoto 003 that you gave me and they are a little better then the durex featherlites. But now I know the ones that johnykon gave me are the okamoto 003 nudes and not platinums. Guess will be crossing to macau and try to do a condom search.
Clean Gene
06-11-08, 09:03
An update, and my last word on the saga. On Thursday night I persuaded an old work mate, who lives in Shenzhen, to venture up to Shekou and see if he could get my cell back. Of course she has sold it on but I figured it would be unlikely she would sell it to a complete stranger and with a bit of effort she could get it back and make herself a tidy profit. This took a lot of courage on my part to ask him, firstly I knew he would rip the complete [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) out of me for even buying such a monster a drink never mind paying her to come back to my hotel, (incidentally he did in spades!) Secondly, he is now married to a Chinese girl who seems to have super human sleuthing skills when it comes to her husband’s whereabouts which made him uncomfortable about going over to chicken street.
Anyway he agreed as a favour and went to Mei Mei bar, asked for Angel, bought her a drink then took her into a corner and explained in Mandarin that the phone was important to me..
One evening (in USA) I was listening to some tape recordings in my office, and I had to to go the head. I returned to find the tape recorder gone. I asked the custodian in the hall way if he had seen it. "No" Told him how important it was to me. No response. He looked like a good family man. I let him go, even though I knew he had stolen my tape recorder. A short time later, a couple of cops followed him home in a completely unrelated case. He shot it out with them. Killed one cop, wounded the other and was killed himself. I was able to identify my tape recorder. (I didn't know the make or serial number, but could identify my voice.)
A few years later, I had my car stolen in front of my GF's apartment. GF had left the keys in the car. After I got it back and fixed up again, took ignition parts out so they could not start it if they came back. And I had the fore thought to have my GF hide my handgun. Sure enough they came back. And sure enough I was angry enough to kill all three of them if my gun were at hand. I did a few push-ups instead.
The point. "Give the man his dignity." and "Never pick up a gun in anger." Give even the WG her dignity.
JackTheLad2
06-11-08, 11:37
Hi guys
Going to stay at shenzhen for few night at mid June.
What are my option.
Ignore the nonsense advice given to your questions from SEAJ and Bearsk - stay at home and have a wank - much cheaper and safer
Steven Jones
06-12-08, 01:30
What is this?
I checked the forum, did a search and the FAQ/Abbreviations, but got nadda, well nothing that made any sense anyway!
What is this?
I checked the forum, did a search and the FAQ/Abbreviations, but got nadda, well nothing that made any sense anyway!Steven
Fishbowls are very common in Thailand but I have not seen any in SZ. A fishbowl is a room where all the WG sit in an establishment separating them from the mongers. All of them will have a number attached to their clothes. You are looking at them through a glass window. Usually the monger will tell the momma the number of the girl and then the girl will come out and meet you and perform the specified services.
My first experience in a fishbowl was many years ago at the famed Mona Lisa Massage house in BKK. I remember seeing over fifty girls sitting in a room and I was told to choose the girl that I want.
I do not think that fishbowls are used in China. Most of the establishments just brings you a lineup for inspection or they are all in a hall lined up like some of the KTV's in DG and CP.
That is the long and short of a fishbowl. Any of your guys have pics of up please put them up on ISG.
JayCar2014
06-12-08, 05:15
What is this?
I checked the forum, did a search and the FAQ/Abbreviations, but got nadda, well nothing that made any sense anyway!How long have you been in this game? A fish bowl is an area or room that can be seen from out side usually thru a glass window. Inside are the objects of your desire. Mostly sitting or standing. Sometimes the glass is like a one way mirror preventing the girls from seeing you other times it is just a huge glass window pane where everything is on show,
Anybody want to buy a phone?
Ooops, I think we all owe JC Kiwi an apology.
I think JC can tell you what you can do with that phone. (he's doing push-ups now)
Do you have that tape recorder too? :D
Girls.....fishbowls....... use your imagination!
Seriously.
Peter Eastwest
06-12-08, 13:26
Kiwi - I wanted to PM you. your account not able to receive PM or PMs areblocked. Please enable PM receiving.
Thanks
Pete
I am the first to admit I was an asshole that night getting so trashed. I usually take the normal precautions, in fact my wallet went in the room safe as soon as I got in, but I didn’t reckon on getting my phone ripped as it’s a old Moto and not worth much, a couple of hundred re-sale value maximum.
Kiwi - I wanted to PM you. your account not able to receive PM or PMs areblocked. Please enable PM receiving.
Thanks,
PetePete,
PM service needs 24 hours for activation. Then try again.
JC.
Steven Jones
06-13-08, 00:06
How long have you been in this game? A fish bowl is an area or room that can be seen from out side usually thru a glass window. Inside are the objects of your desire. Mostly sitting or standing. Sometimes the glass is like a one way mirror preventing the girls from seeing you other times it is just a huge glass window pane where everything is on show,
Not very long Nicholas.
Thanks for the info though.
Steven Jones
06-13-08, 00:17
Steven
Fishbowls are very common in Thailand but I have not seen any in SZ. A fishbowl is a room where all the WG sit in an establishment separating them from the mongers. All of them will have a number attached to their clothes. You are looking at them through a glass window. Usually the monger will tell the momma the number of the girl and then the girl will come out and meet you and perform the specified services.
My first experience in a fishbowl was many years ago at the famed Mona Lisa Massage house in BKK. I remember seeing over fifty girls sitting in a room and I was told to choose the girl that I want.
I do not think that fishbowls are used in China. Most of the establishments just brings you a lineup for inspection or they are all in a hall lined up like some of the KTV's in DG and CP.
That is the long and short of a fishbowl. Any of your guys have pics of up please put them up on ISG.
Cheers BnLee
that first time I went to a KTV they just lined up in the room for us, the second time, the girl I had first time, chose me!
Thansk for the info though BnLee
Steven Jones
06-13-08, 00:18
Girls.....fishbowls....... use your imagination!
Seriously.
I will be doing tonight ;)
SJ
Sorry, i have only seen fishbowls in Thailand (?worth trip) and at the big KTVs in Shanghai. I think its been well explained for you in the forum by the guys.
BSK
What is this?
I checked the forum, did a search and the FAQ/Abbreviations, but got nadda, well nothing that made any sense anyway!
It's the John Travolta in Pulp Fiction option ...
Ignore the nonsense advice given to your questions from SEAJ and Bearsk - stay at home and have a wank - much cheaper and safer
If you saw Rush Hour 2 and you saw Chris Tucker at the massage place picking the girls, that's a fishbowl.
JackTheLad2
06-13-08, 14:01
Anybody want to buy a phone?
Is it an old moto, not worth very much?
I could give a couple of hundred max.
Is it an old moto, not worth very much?
I could give a couple of hundred max.Good, Come my bar.
You like Tequila?
JackTheLad2
06-13-08, 21:37
Good, Come my bar.
You like Tequila?
And margaritas
And margaritasMargarita go back home town but many many beautiful girl here, just have many money we take care for you hansome boy!
Good, Come my bar.
You like Tequila?Angel. My lovely. Which bar are you working in now "the Den of Thieves bar" I prefer a Tequila body shot. From your body of course.
Monger Goose
Don't get too carried away. Remember its not the size of teh ocean but the waves in motion that matter. Careful not to burst your bank in the process too :)
Wapec
Joe sorry I scared you for a second there. I was just reminiscing the good O' days.
Anyways those sagamis are awesome but I bought a box of 6 of those okamoto 003 that you gave me and they are a little better then the durex featherlites. But now I know the ones that johnykon gave me are the okamoto 003 nudes and not platinums. Guess will be crossing to macau and try to do a condom search.
SEAJ
Forgive me for being naive but I'm still a bit of newbie in some areas. May I ask for the number to call the Ole' Lady ? Maybe she has a sister and I could double date them to the Prom ? Its a China number or international dial ? Phone sex ain't cheap you know !
Wapec
No BBS gals, No Sauna Gals, No KTV gals (helll - they're ex sauna BBS gals). Hey, I got the perfect solution for you!
Let me introduce you to your own special, virginal and team of lovelies - PM me and I'll give you the digits for Ole' lady thumb and her four daughters. GREAT TEAM!!
SEAJ
Santa
JoJo says you know a lot about fuck ! No ? Life and people are full of wonderous complexities. I gave trying to understand years ago. What happens between mutually consenting adults is the reason for "being behind closed doors".
Then again what the fuck do I know ? I'm just a trainee prevert.
Wapec
An "extra 500rmb" to a bbs girl for anal seems like an very high BSD price to me.
I'm not a fan of doing anal anyway and I don't really understand why some guys need that. So, what the fuck do I know?
SE Asia Joe
06-17-08, 08:52
SEAJ
Forgive me for being naive but I'm still a bit of newbie in some areas. May I ask for the number to call the Ole' Lady ? Maybe she has a sister and I could double date them to the Prom ? Its a China number or international dial ? Phone sex ain't cheap you know !
Wapec
For Crissakes - RTFF
SEAJ
So I ended up in DaLang 大浪 village, near LongHua, in BaoAn district. Note: this is not the DaLang 大朗 in Dongguan, near CP. They have a 208 rmb BuoTui (=tit massage) massage in the VIP room. Or full service sauna for 480 rmb.
The body massage itself, the part where she uses her hands, was below-average. The girl was only so-so looking. The titty massage was only so-so. After titty rubbing your back and front, she is supposed to give you a HJ. I talked her into jerking me off with her tits instead. And man! Those tits were HUGE! Triple Gs, or whatever the designation is at that size. All natural and soft and pillowy. Each tit was the size of her head, I am not exaggerating. About 20 pounds of pure tits (I made her bend over so I could gauge the weight while cupping them). She wasn't fat either, about 160 cm, 105 pounds. Talk about a freak of nature.
The feeling of having your dick buried into melons like those is incredible. There were so big, I couldn't see my dick at all. You gotta be hung like John Holmes for anything to be sticking out. After about 15 minutes of tit pumping I pop. This is the first time I have cum INSIDE a girl's tits, rather than ON them.
So, on the off-chance that you ever find yourself in this town, and are a tit lover (I am talking to you, OAH!), this is a must-try.
Place: KangYuan SangNa MuZhu XiuXian TianDi
Phone: 61116868, 13480720309
Tag number of Girl: 626
Price: 208 rmb
Age: 22
Face: 4
Body: 6
GFE: 6
Tits: 10
My local friend took me to a massage place in Futian district, #38 Futian South Road. The name is " Casson City ".
Great facility, big pools. Saunas, scrub massage, foot massage and body massage All around cost 200 RMB.
Great service especialy after a long day.
These days if you want to enjoy the time you have to go out the city.
I visited yesterday YUEHAO lEISUR CLUB near Viena hotel
Don't have the address but if you will call 0755-28180406 they will tell you how to get there
Nice place, great service but pricy (800 RMB all included)
Hi guys, Can someone tell me whether you can still get a one entry Visa into China for U.S. passport holder.
I have a friend who will be in Thailand from July until Oct, then he would like to go into China before back to the U.S. He had gotten Chinese Visa in Hong Kong before and would just like to know if it is still possible to do that now. Thanks for any help.
Hi guys, Can someone tell me whether you can still get a one entry Visa into China for U.S. passport holder.
I have a friend who will be in Thailand from July until Oct, then he would like to go into China before back to the U.S. He had gotten Chinese Visa in Hong Kong before and would just like to know if it is still possible to do that now. Thanks for any help.
Csun,
These days it seems that Visa rules changes daily due to upcoming Olympic. However, from what I heard and seen, things will go back to normal after September 18.
Right now a US passport holder can get a one time visa to China in Hong Kong provided they have airline and hotel reservation.
Best Regards,
APAC Man
Csun,
These days it seems that Visa rules changes daily due to upcoming Olympic. However, from what I heard and seen, things will go back to normal after September 18.
Right now a US passport holder can get a one time visa to China in Hong Kong provided they have airline and hotel reservation.
Best Regards,
APAC Man
I will tell him. Thanks for the quick response.
I will tell him. Thanks for the quick response.I knew that they were going to clamp down on the visa with the political issues. I renew my multiple entry visa in Nov 2007. My renewal will come up again in Nov 2008, hopefully by then the political crises will blow over. These one time entry is expensive is you go back and forth a few times and a pain in the real ass just to constantly request for entry.
Go Beijing 2008 Olympics. Go China.
When I go in everytime for renewal, I tell them I need a renewal to work in such a great country like the motherland China (even though I'm a ABC). I always tell them I do not know why my forefather left such a wonderful place. Of course. I smile and compliment the wonderful staff when I am there. Whether there is a short or 'hell of a long' line waiting to process and get my Visa.
Go China
Hi ll,
I´ll be in Shenzhen in the Holiday Inn Hotel Nanhai Road Nashan District next week. could anybody advise where to go to find some cheap good girls for BBBJ GFE?
Thanks to all for your support in advance.
Tom
Fast Eddie 48
06-24-08, 03:28
Hi guys, Can someone tell me whether you can still get a one entry Visa into China for U.S. passport holder.
I have a friend who will be in Thailand from July until Oct, then he would like to go into China before back to the U.S. He had gotten Chinese Visa in Hong Kong before and would just like to know if it is still possible to do that now. Thanks for any help.sun
I heard the line at SF china consulate is 2 hr long only issue tourist visa only single or 2 entries business 2 yr multi is on hold ,your friend should get it in the US and don't wait until he get to HK just paid the travel agent in US to get it for him .
Fast eddie 48
Old Mean Dog
06-24-08, 06:08
Hi ll,
I´ll be in Shenzhen in the Holiday Inn Hotel Nanhai Road Nashan District next week. could anybody advise where to go to find some cheap good girls for BBBJ GFE?
Thanks to all for your support in advance.
Tom
Shiiiiite, if YOU find some CHEAP GOOD girls that BBBJ GFE, why don't you tell us. Almost seems like an oxymoron.
-CPE
...where to go to find some cheap good girls for BBBJ GFE?...
Tom
Now there's a contradiction in terms if I ever heard one. Try the bars behind the hotel but the girls ain't cheap.
QH
sun
I heard the line at SF china consulate is 2 hr long only issue tourist visa only single or 2 entries business 2 yr multi is on hold ,your friend should get it in the US and don't wait until he get to HK just paid the travel agent in US to get it for him .
Fast eddie 48The Chinese Consulate in San Francisco is still issuing one year multiples, I think to business traveler that goes back there often. I have never had a problem. Last November I even got several of my friends that have never been the China but wanted to tag along with me on my business trip visas to China. They all got multiple entries. I brought my passport and theirs together with their signed applications. Never even a question ask. I usually smile and chit chat with those females that service the visa counter. In the years past I have gotten to know several of them. I think most of them are spouses of their diplomat husband that also works inside the consulate.
Never be rude, smile and you will go far.
ManonsanBoy
06-25-08, 00:46
The Chinese Consulate in San Francisco is still issuing one year multiples, Never be rude, smile and you will go far.
This is the fiasco. The new regulations are applied inconsistently. China's administrative reputation went backwards around 30 years with this.
This is the fiasco. The new regulations are applied inconsistently. China's administrative reputation went backwards around 30 years with this.Manonsanboy;
It has always been like that. Rules and regs in China changes. They just changed the law on those really thin plastic bags for food. They gave very litte notice and ban them from use. Rules changes. Consistency is also a problem. The person applying the regulation do have some flexibilities.
What I usually do is to smile and compliment them. Once I get what I need and want, I am out of there. Be nice to the visa clerks and you will get the one year mulitple.
The line in the San Francisco Consul office for China is not two hours long, maybe forty five minutes to one hour at best. I have been very fortunate. One time while I was waiting in line, one of the counter girls remember me and just say Hi as she was walking in. A minute later she chit chatted with me and just told me to give her my passports and forms and told me that they will be ready the next day. In the conversation I gave her a compliment and that was all. Be nice to them and they may remember you the next time you are in line.
SE Asia Joe
06-25-08, 06:42
Shiiiiite, if YOU find some CHEAP GOOD girls that BBBJ GFE, why don't you tell us. Almost seems like an oxymoron.
-CPE
Jeeeezzz... WTF SZEpat ???
Who you callin' a MORON??
Look-it, its bad enough telling idiots to RTFF, or tellin' em that they are really asking stupid questions or event tellin' them to go to h...l for pre-suppposing that we all are at their beck and call - but to call him a MORON? Isn't that going a bit far?
Ooooops/OH....MY BAD.... you said oxymoron.
SEAJ
Jeeeezzz... WTF SZEpat ???
Who you callin' a MORON??
Look-it, its bad enough telling idiots to RTFF, or tellin' em that they are really asking stupid questions or event tellin' them to go to h...l for pre-suppposing that we all are at their beck and call - but to call him a MORON? Isn't that going a bit far?
Ooooops/OH....MY BAD.... you said oxymoron.
SEAJYour real name must be oxy then of you felt so hit.
SE Asia Joe
06-25-08, 07:23
Your real name must be oxy then of you felt so hit.
Nope - I ain't no oxy - but I gotta defend all 'em new guys coming on our board, reading the first page and then asking totally stupid questions...some even berating us one and all for telling 'em to RTFF. RTFF is such a BAD word!!
SEAJ
Steven Jones
06-25-08, 10:17
Hi all
I should be in SZ around the 3rd of July, if anyone wants to meet for a drink and a bite to eat. Nothing is confirmed, but I'll let you all know the details when I get there.
Peter Eastwest
06-25-08, 11:55
A few years back I had a couple of sessions with a gal called Angel (I referred to her as "Miss A" at the time) from one of the bars in SheKou. She changed bars a few times but was always in the second or third bar on the left or in the fifth/sixth bar on the left on Gong Ye First Street, as you come down from Nan Hai hotel, opposite HaiTao hotel.
I wonder if this is the same "Angel" which stoled your phone. Here is a picture of the Angel I met. Is it the same gal? (Angel is the one on the right.) If so, I can give you some great pics of her sucking cock.
Way back in 2004/2005 I posted quite a few pics of her but with the face covered a bit to protect her modesty but if a gal's gonna steal a guy's cellphone......
Pete
Hi guys,
Sorry my first posting is a sob story but I thought I should pass this on in the hope that it doesn't happen to anyone else.
Last week I had to attend a seminar at the Ming Wah conference centre in Shekou. Normally, I would just take the last ferry back but as it had been nearly a year since I’d been in Shenzhen, and the company was paying, I decided to stay overnight and get up to some mischief.When I returned there was still no Angel and, more importantly, no cell phone. After I raised my voice and threatened to go to the cops the mamma san said if I caused any trouble she would call her "uncles" to sort it out.
I know that this was partly my fault but I always thought taking a girl out of one of those Shekou bars was reasonably safe.
Needless to say I won’t be returning to Shekou in a hurry, and Angel is anything but!
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Peter Eastwest
06-25-08, 12:15
Sorry - I had to resize these pics but they came VERY SMALL.
I hope you can recognise her. If that is the gal, I will e-mail the cock-suck pictures to you separately and you can "discuss" trading the pictures for your phone. Or at least teach her a lesson.
I wonder if she will be more embarrassed by pictures of her sucking my cock or a picture of her tongue-kissing another girl That sort of thing is tabu in China. :)
Pete
A few years back I had a couple of sessions with a gal called Angel (I referred to her as "Miss A" at the time) from one of the bars in SheKou. She changed bars a few times but was always in the second or third bar on the left or in the fifth/sixth bar on the left on Gong Ye First Street, as you come down from Nan Hai hotel, opposite HaiTao hotel.
I wonder if this is the same "Angel" which stoled your phone. Here is a picture of the Angel I met. Is it the same gal? (Angel is the one on the right.) If so, I can give you some great pics of her sucking cock.
Way back in 2004/2005 I posted quite a few pics of her but with the face covered a bit to protect her modesty but if a gal's gonna steal a guy's cellphone......
Pete
Old Mean Dog
06-27-08, 05:01
A few years back I had a couple of sessions with a gal called Angel (I referred to her as "Miss A" at the time) from one of the bars in SheKou.
I think Angel has to be one of the most common English names for Chinese girls, especially prostitutes.
-CPE
BTW: This girl-girl action looks good, did they do any carpet munching together?
Hello Gents,
It is obvious that you guys have found a way to continue to log on the ISG website. Would you like to share how you are doing this in China. I am moving to Shenzhen in about two weeks and hope to be able to "keep up"!
Thank you and if anybody is planning a GT after the 11th let me know. I think I can afford the 1st round!
Regards,
Sky
Steven Jones
06-27-08, 18:45
Hi Sky rider, I had trouble logging onto the website as well, now I am using a proxy http site called zend2 and then com, working fine now.
Old Mean Dog
06-28-08, 17:36
Walked through the Seibu Area last night (Friday) around 8 pm. All the shops closed and both uniformed and plain clothes cops all around.
-CPE
Steven Jones
06-28-08, 18:32
Walked through the Seibu Area last night (Friday) around 8 pm. All the shops closed and both uniformed and plain clothes cops all around.
-CPE
Dammit! Just as I'm on my way down! Hopefully it opens up again by the endof next week.
Oh, and CPe I still have your notes from my last trip, I'll be sure to use them again!
Sukhumvitter
06-28-08, 19:34
Hello Gents,
It is obvious that you guys have found a way to continue to log on the ISG website. Would you like to share how you are doing this in China. I am moving to Shenzhen in about two weeks and hope to be able to "keep up"!
Thank you and if anybody is planning a GT after the 11th let me know. I think I can afford the 1st round!
Regards,
Sky
for proxies while in china try:
turbohide
ciaproxy
both are dot com.
good luck
for proxies while in china try:
turbohide
ciaproxy
both are dot com.
good luckI just tested turbohide and it worked great. Sukhumvitter, thanks for the info.
Many thanks... "and may great pussies follow you to eternity"
Sukhumvitter
06-29-08, 00:06
I just tested turbohide and it worked great. Sukhumvitter, thanks for the info.
Many thanks... "and may great pussies follow you to eternity"
You're welcome.
Furias turned me on to that one.
Sometimes turbohide will fail the first time I try to go to a URL, but it usually works the second time I click "Go".
Have fun!
Steven Jones
06-30-08, 15:56
So any improvement in the Seibu district?
Old Mean Dog
07-01-08, 01:45
So any improvement in the Seibu district?Probably fine now. One thing about Seibu, it ebbs and flows.
-CPE
Old Mean Dog
07-01-08, 01:54
For those of you in need of handouts, I was slipped this calling card yesterday. I have no idea of the service, but if the girl looked as good as the one on the card, I would certainly try it out. Problem is, they NEVER look as good as those.
13554846345
Of course they are available 24 hours a day, hotel delivery and comes in Chinese, Russian and SumYungGui flavors.
-CPE
Steven Jones
07-01-08, 03:08
Probably fine now. One thing about Seibu, it ebbs and flows.
-CPECool! Can't wait to get there, may even check out that number you posted!
Here is a number for a mamasan that helps get me a girl
13714626868
She does not understand english but if you call and say Panglien (ie the Hilton), she will appear across the street from Panglien.
She is 5ft tall, plump, wears loose pajama like trousers and has a sweet goodlooking face. Has a kid in tow these days.
Most seibu chicas seem to have gone to a place that is on the first floor of a internet gaming place that is kitty corner from the Panglien ie right across seibu. There is an escalator that takes you there and most westerners do not seem to go there.
In my opinion, it is safe. I pay 150-175 for takeout to Panglien. The security allows and is girl friendly. They only check to save you.
I will try and post some more numbers but you can PM me for them as well.
One Eyed Monger
07-02-08, 05:13
I was in Shekou over the weekend for some legit massage (have a pinched nerve I needed help with) and stayed overnight at the hotel across from the bars. Hai Tou? Something like that. Not the Nan Hai expensive-as-fuck one. The other one.
As I was in the lobby I saw a girl that I normally hang out with in one of the Chicken Street bars come in with a foreigner, obviously "on the job". Originally when I met her after she first arrived she didn't go to hotels with guys and was shy. But after a year working at the Shekou bars I guess she laxed on her standards and does the deed now.
In any case, when she saw me this look of terror and shame came over her face and she didn't even return my wave hello. We had developed a nice friendship over the past year and I never asked her for sex or even hinted that I was interested. In fact, I would tell her that I didn't want to have sex with her until she was actually interested in me.
I don't always say that because it doesn't always apply. You have to play each situation by ear. That sort of talk doesn't do much for getting laid on the night you say it, but if you word it right and plant the seeds, you can get some good results down the line.
(I usually do a combination of different tactics based on who the woman is, and I like to experiment with different approaches to see what works best.)
With her, I've been around bar girls for enough years to know when they are yanking your chain ("but, qing ai de. I really love you. ") versus when they actually are interested in you. This one was interested in me (and to be honest, that doesn't happen all that often since most bar girls are pretty jaded).
And so I discovered her "exploits" and she was visibly ashamed. I didn't really care though. It's her life and I know she is there to make money. I was jet lagged from a recent trip to the U. S. Anyway so I just went to my room and crashed. I received a text from her around an hour later asking why I didn't let her know I was in town (turning shame into blame.- classic! ) but I slept through it.
In the morning I called her and she said she wanted to see me. 10 minutes later she came to the hotel. We talked for a while and she told me that guy from the night before was just some friend who wanted a "massage".
Uh. Right. And I'm Bill Gates. (no, really. I am.)
But I ignored her excuses and just used some various neg tactics (Neil Strauss anyone? ) and the next thing I know she's asking me to make love to her. So I have my way with her for about 2 hours. In the shower. On the bed. All around the room. She did the orgasm convulsions a few times so she seemed to be enjoying it. In the end I unloaded on her chest and we took another shower to clean up.
After a quick meal at the ferry dock we parted ways.
Why am I telling you guys this story? Well, two reasons, I guess.
One. Because it was fun and I can't really share these sorts of things with the people I work with.
And Two, to show that if you plant the right seeds in the right way, you can get some nice freebies (and probably more often than me, since I am pretty short on free mongering time these days).
I'm sure lots of you get plenty of freebies all the time already. (You're all practically professional mongers, after all.) I just feel like I'm sticking it to the man (or woman) when I can manage them myself, so I thought I would share.
OEM
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SE Asia Joe
07-02-08, 09:18
Why am I telling you guys this story? Well, two reasons, I guess.
One. Because it was fun and I can't really share these sorts of things with the people I work with.
And Two, to show that if you plant the right seeds in the right way, you can get some nice freebies (and probably more often than me, since I am pretty short on free mongering time these days).
them myself, so I thought I would share.
OEM
COOL!!
I can predict your pinched nerve will be needing plenty more treatments the following weeks - right?
SEAJ
Old Mean Dog
07-02-08, 09:46
In the end I unloaded on her chest and we took another shower to clean up.
I really liked your story and it's life in China with hookers I guess, but I did have a question? Do you always "unload" like this on girls you really like or were deep down angry with her and wanted to treat her like the prostitute she is?
Just Curious...
-CPE
Sorry - I had to resize these pics but they came VERY SMALL.
I hope you can recognise her. If that is the gal, I will e-mail the cock-suck pictures to you separately and you can "discuss" trading the pictures for your phone. Or at least teach her a lesson.
I wonder if she will be more embarrassed by pictures of her sucking my cock or a picture of her tongue-kissing another girl That sort of thing is tabu in China. :)
PeteNo, definitely not the same gal. Searched the archives for your pictures, she is pretty hot, don’t think I would have minded so much if she stole my phone.
To be charitable, this “angel” is, ahem. Let’s say, a little more mature in years and looks in need of a good holiday.
My buddy, the one who tried to retrieve the cell later that week, commented on her “You say you were drinking Tequila? Jeezus Christ man did you drink the whole f##king bottle?”
JC.
I really liked your story and it's life in China with hookers I guess, but I did have a question? Do you always "unload" like this on girls you really like or were deep down angry with her and wanted to treat her like the prostitute she is?
Just Curious...
-CPECouldn't resist pissing all over his parade could you?
Why?
Make you feel superior?
Just curious.
SE Asia Joe
07-03-08, 07:03
Couldn't resist pissing all over his parade could you?
Why?
Make you feel superior?
Just curious.
Whaaaaaattt???
WTF - I cannot see anything wrong with Cp's question at all. Please do tell what is it that you find so offensive?
Or is it that YOU couldn't resist pissing....
Or does it make YOU feel superior??
And I am NOT curious - but wondering what is it that new ISG posters like you got against posters who do contribute - and contribute lots - to the threads like Cpexpat. When you've done your fair share of good reports - and not just drivel about how you lost your valuable phone - then perhaps, just perhaps you could then criticize seniors like CPexpat. Non?
SEAJ
Old Mean Dog
07-03-08, 12:03
Couldn't resist pissing all over his parade could you?
Why?
Make you feel superior?
Just curious.
No Asswipe, if you read my comment I said it was a good report, though I feel he lost his fantasy with this girl. I was interested as I have found most gals in the world, don't like you blowing loads on them, especially in the face, as they feel it's degrading.
Thats the "money shot" in porn and this maybe the reason for their feeling.
Why the fuck would this make me feel superior?
-CPE
Whaaaaaattt?
WTF - I cannot see anything wrong with Cp's question at all. Please do tell what is it that you find so offensive?
Or is it that YOU couldn't resist pissing.
Or does it make YOU feel superior??
SEAJThe way I read it OEM writes an entertaining up-beat report of his experience, in fact reading it closely it could apply to any consensual adult relationship.
Guy meets gal, builds up a rapport with her “ I saw a girl that I normally hang out with in one of the Chicken Street bars” gets to know her a bit better and becomes friends with her “We had developed a nice friendship over the past year” guy doesn’t want to push it if the gal is not keen at first “never asked her for sex or even hinted that I was interested. In fact, I would tell her that I didn't want to have sex with her until she was actually interested in me” preferring to “plant the right seeds in the right way” because he thought that she also liked him, “ I've been around bar girls for enough years to know when they are yanking your chain) versus when they actually are interested in you. This one was interested in me”. So far, so good. He then spots her in his hotel with another guy, I don’t know OEM but I’m sure he is not naďve enough to believe this girl only serves up drinks in the bar she works in, in fact he concedes as much himself “It's her life and I know she is there to make money.” That night she sends him an SMS, which he ignores but calls her in the morning, she comes over “and the next thing I know she's asking me to make love to her.” They both have a good time “She did the orgasm convulsions a few times so she seemed to be enjoying it.” They part company on good terms and on the face of it OEM’s tactics have been spot on, he gets to do what he’s wanted to do for a while and it doesn’t cost him a cent and, again on the face of it, he has set himself up quite nicely for more of the same in the future. Moral of the story surely, treat someone with a bit of respect, show some patience, don’t push them into something they don’t want to do and with a bit of luck it will pay dividends.
When I read it I thought “way to go dude”.
How can CPE take that positive spin and turn it into a negative? “it's life in China with hookers I guess” How can he see any anger in that report? Why even suggest it?
Is he saying that in future OEM should treat this girl differently because “it's life in China with hookers I guess,” or perhaps she deserves no better than for someone “to treat her like the prostitute she is”?
Oh, and it’s a forum. I don’t recall seeing the rule that states new posters are limited to sycophantic fawning over the comments of more experienced contributors.
Steven Jones
07-03-08, 22:06
I thought I was going to get ripped off, but apparently the guy didn't send on the inflated prices onto the front desk!
I'm staying at the golden luster, and if you come out the hotel, turn right, walk down to the first massage place, that is where I was. I went in, no one spoke English, and my Mandarin/Cantonese is awful, but they worked out I wanted a full body massage, and that it would cost me 128 rmb plus 100 rmb for something, I couldn't work out what.
The massage was good, a pretty girl, and great hands, small but powerful, very relaxing, and well needed. The massage also came with a happy ending, she wanked me off with her knees, squatting over me, with me between her knees, very cool!
When I went to pay, it was just 128, and tips.
After this I was horny. and walking back to the hotel at 3 i nthe morning there was very little talent about, I got accosted by one guy, and he was offering me a girl for 400, I told him no, 200 only. I gave him my room number, and told him, if he finds one for 200 send her up.
He did, and she was worth ever rmb of that 200! Pretty, about 20ish and full of energy, jumped in the shower with me, gave a great rub down, then we went to the bed and played around a bit, nice body, bigger than average tits, and jiggly! Nice body. great little arse too, the only complaint, is that she was new to the game, and very tight, so much so I couldn't get all the way in, and I think I may have bruised mini me :(
I have her number if anyone wants it, just pm me.
One Eyed Monger
07-04-08, 01:38
I should probably clarify a little bit...
I didn't unload on her face. It was on her chest. She was okay with me doing it. Based on the position we were in at the time it made anatomical sense to do it. It wasn't like I grabbed the scruff of her neck and forced my semen all over her face or something. It was consensual.
I didn't have any anger with her or anything. I know what she does for a living and I don't pretend to pass judgement on her. Everything was her call. She initiated it, which is why I think it happened the way it did. If I had been a "paying customer" then it would have probably not been quite as GFE as it was.
My basic idea was just to say that you don't always have to go for the quick fix. Sometimes holding off will pay off with bigger dividends in the future. Now I have someone I can get freebies from on a regular basis whenever I'm in shekou. Just planting a few more of those around in other cities (I'm not taling about Girlfriends ... just girls that you can have sex with) and you're good to go.
Paid sex is all well and good .. but if you could get it for free, and have it be something that she wants too .. isn't that better?
OEM
Old Mean Dog
07-04-08, 03:58
When I read it I thought “way to go dude”.
How can CPE take that positive spin and turn it into a negative? “it's life in China with hookers I guess” How can he see any anger in that report? Why even suggest it?
Is he saying that in future OEM should treat this girl differently because “it's life in China with hookers I guess,” or perhaps she deserves no better than for someone “to treat her like the prostitute she is”?
Since you don't know who I am, let's say you don't know shit about me, except what I post on these boards. So, I'm gonna assume, you just don't like CPExpat as in the posts he writes on ISG and not the person CPE is in RL.
I too have had strong emotional feeling towards not 1, but 2 prostitutes. It went far beyond the conventional P4P action we see 99% of the time, staying over night several times a week, no cash transactions taking place, dating, yucking it up, etc.
But in the end, the girl either rationalized that there was no future in a relationship, or maybe just a temporary safe-haven from her work. Either way, both went back to doing what they do. They probably never fully stopped, just were not available during the times with me.
End of my "sad" story, I learned not to get too emotionally involved with a girl in this business......So I do relate to his story quite well.
Secondly, I don't see it being so "Way to go dude" like ending, sure he got free sex out of it, but I assume, he was a little stung by the fact that she had evolved into a f/t prostitute and she was certainly shocked/ashamed when she saw him (read his post). So, it is from that time on, I wanted to know if he turned off the feelings he had for her and treated her as a prostitute (which she is) or did he still having feelings for her?
When he "unloaded" on her, was it BBFS, pull out and "unload" on the belly innocent shit, because he wasn't wearing a jimmy or did he pull out and intenionally "unload" on her chest, because he was a bit angry? Most girls in the world do not like guys unloading on them, because they feel it degrading. Was it the innocent, intentional or just the way she likes it?
What you see, is not what others see. Yes, it was a personal experience and not just another name/place/service report, but he did post it, which opens it up to discussion.
Now relax, cool down and repeat this a few times "CPE is not evil, CPE is not evil"
-CPE
Old Mean Dog
07-04-08, 04:04
I thought I was going to get ripped off, but apparently the guy didn't send on the inflated prices onto the front desk!
I'm staying at the golden luster, and if you come out the hotel, turn right, walk down to the first massage place, that is where I was. I went in, no one spoke English, and my Mandarin/Cantonese is awful, but they worked out I wanted a full body massage, and that it would cost me 128 rmb plus 100 rmb for something, I couldn't work out what.
The massage was good, a pretty girl, and great hands, small but powerful, very relaxing, and well needed. The massage also came with a happy ending, she wanked me off with her knees, squatting over me, with me between her knees, very cool!
When I went to pay, it was just 128, and tips.
After this I was horny. and walking back to the hotel at 3 i nthe morning there was very little talent about, I got accosted by one guy, and he was offering me a girl for 400, I told him no, 200 only. I gave him my room number, and told him, if he finds one for 200 send her up.
He did, and she was worth ever rmb of that 200! Pretty, about 20ish and full of energy, jumped in the shower with me, gave a great rub down, then we went to the bed and played around a bit, nice body, bigger than average tits, and jiggly! Nice body. great little arse too, the only complaint, is that she was new to the game, and very tight, so much so I couldn't get all the way in, and I think I may have bruised mini me :(
I have her number if anyone wants it, just pm me.
Was this the sauna with the picture of the rose on the sign? Thats a pretty good place. If you look across the little side street to it, you will see another small sauna, it has yellow, red and blue neon sign with a picture of two feet on it. I have gotten HJ there before for extra 100 and was offered F/S dine in or take out. I don't think they approve of the hanky-panky, so take some money into the room with you and pay the girl directly.
-CPE
BTW: That hotel area, used to be popular for the farm fresh, straight off the train girls. I walked past there the other night, since moving back to SZ and didn't see them milling about anymore.
SE Asia Joe
07-04-08, 05:15
When I read it I thought “way to go dude”.
How can CPE take that positive spin and turn it into a negative? “it's life in China with hookers I guess” How can he see any anger in that report? Why even suggest it?
Is he saying that in future OEM should treat this girl differently because “it's life in China with hookers I guess,” or perhaps she deserves no better than for someone “to treat her like the prostitute she is”?
Oh, and it’s a forum. I don’t recall seeing the rule that states new posters are limited to sycophantic fawning over the comments of more experienced contributors.
Yes - when I read it, I also thought the same as you - COOL!
But I do NOT see where CP turn it into a negative spin - he was merely asking a question - which now after I read what he has to say about his own experience - makes it a very valid and pertinent question. What is wrong with asking a valid question?
And as far as this being a forum - yes, true enough, but is it appropriate to make it a "flaming" forum? What in the world do you hope to accomplish by letting one and all here straight away identify you as being an offensive poster? No, not sycophantic fawning, but at least a bit of proper etiquette.
And CP -
Since you don't know who I am, let's say you don't know shit about me, except what I post on these boards. So, I'm gonna assume, you just don't like CPExpat as in the posts he writes on ISG and not the person CPE is in RL.
Now relax, cool down and repeat this a few times "CPE is not evil, CPE is not evil"
-CPE
Who you trying to kid? You in RL are much much more scary!! Like Santa says - a Homer Simpson look-alike with size 16 boots!
SEAJ
Steven Jones
07-04-08, 05:23
Hi CPE I can't seem to be able to quote your post, so I'll reply here.
I'm not sure if the place has a rose in front, but it is essentially at the corner of chun feng road and the first right (when you walk out the hotel and turn right). It is right next door to a fruit stall/shop and opposite the zebra crossing.
I believe this is one of the places tou reccomended to me last time I was here.
Also, how do you pronounce Seibu? I tried asking a couple of cabbies yesterday and only got blank faces.
Seibu is XiWu in Chinese. Or you can tell them PengNian JiuDian (= PangLin hotel). Or better yet, "XiangXi Cun" is the proper name for the village where the BBSs are.
Also, how do you pronounce Seibu? I tried asking a couple of cabbies yesterday and only got blank faces.
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