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01-01-07, 02:00
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TangZhen
01-01-07, 07:40
It is pretty bad when we are reduced to commenting on how slow the posts are. But lets consider the factors and how they have aligned to create a perfectly quiet thread.
- Crackdown, closing ShaZui the most active area and putting more pressure on Jusco drastically reduced the number of really good site to go
- Holiday Season, is typically a slow time with less buisiness travelers in town and less HK mongers coming over the border.
- Earthquake, cut the lines in Taiwan drastically reducing the bandwidth of internet connections.

Who would have predicted a few months back these items except for the holiday season. There are still plenty of places to buy sex here, they just are not the real buyers market that the old ones (ShaZui) were. Now there are only small shops in the various areas and a lot are not real FS types of places, and have mainly average looking girls. I predict that the business will come back some but not like before. It will be in new areas and maybe more sauna based like in other cities, which is a pity because I much prefer BBS as being less expensive and you get a much wider selection of girls whom you can chat up and look over before reaching an agreement. They were quick to get to for me and convienient, what is not to love about that!

TangZhen
01-01-07, 10:47
I went out to check out an area that I thought might not be affected by the YanDa. The area behind the JingDuJiuDian near ShenNan road (between WanXiangCheng and ZhongXinGuangCheng) once had a pretty lively business but had declined over the years. Long time readers will note that this was the old big rack shop area. I guessed that since it is pretty well concealed and did not attracted the huge crowds that ShaZui was famous for, that it might have a good chance of being passed over, kind of like Moses but less family oriented. In fact my prediciton was correct that the area has indeed seen an increase in the number of shops and girls. Now mind you this is not a huge upsurge and that there are maybe only 10 shops in the area, but still nice to find it going well.

To find the area, you can go to the Oriental Regent Hotel which is near that triangle shaped Shenzhen DB bank building on ShenNan Lu. Go to the T section and cross the street. You should see a arch way to the main alley.

Santa
01-02-07, 15:11
Went into the heart of Sha Zui, where they had the big crackdown. Went to a foot massage place at 1:00 am and rented a private overnight room and a short time girl for only 200 rmb. She was hot and the FS was good.

I was afraid that there might be a problem. However, I was with a trusted friend, a local chinese guy who knows the area and the language. He arranged it. I only had 300 rmb on me and a photocopy of my passport. Plus I locked the room from the inside. I was lucky, I had no problems, but I would not recommend it to others.

The streets outside were empty, all of the shops were closed.

Cockburn
01-02-07, 17:28
Went into the heart of Sha Zui, where they had the big crackdown. Went to a foot massage place at 1:00 am and rented a private overnight room and a short time girl for only 200 rmb. She was hot and the FS was good.

I was afraid that there might be a problem. However, I was with a trusted friend, a local chinese guy who knows the area and the language. He arranged it. I only had 300 rmb on me and a photocopy of my passport. Plus I locked the room from the inside. I was lucky, I had no problems, but I would not recommend it to others.

The streets outside were empty, all of the shops were closed.I was in Hong Kong for a few Days and thought I should go over to Shenzhen to check out this Sha Tsui place.

I got across by KGR and took a cab from the Luo Hu customs to Sha Tsui at around 4pm. On the way there I was asking the cabby about the girls in Sha Tsui and he told me that they are all gone! He said that there is this new place very close to the eletronic mall where they sells a lot of cellphone where the girls now hang out. (Sorry I forgot the name of that place he told me). I didn't believe that Sha Tsui was cleaned out and so I asked him to bring me there anyways.

On arrival I walked down the streets but noticed immediately that it was so quiet. A lot of shops are closed, there were no girls walking on the streets or the backalleys. After walking for about 10 mins and going through 10 back lanes, I gave up and walked back to the main exit to grab a cab.

I asked this cabby about that "new" place but he did not know any. So I switched to another cab, after switching 4 cabs and none of them know the New place, I gave up and head for Luo Hu Area where I found the BBS posted by senior members.

My question now:

1) I am in Sha Tsui to early? 4:30pm.
2) Or it is the clean up really did it?
3) The new place, does anyone or seniors on the Shenzhen board know this place? Or is this cabby trying to bring me to a place and rob me?

CB

LoveAsia
01-03-07, 01:06
On the way there I was asking the cabby about the girls in Sha Tsui and he told me that they are all gone! He said that there is this new place very close to the eletronic mall where they sells a lot of cellphone where the girls now hang out. (Sorry I forgot the name of that place he told me).
My question now:

1) I am in Sha Tsui to early? 4:30pm.
2) Or it is the clean up really did it?
3) The new place, does anyone or seniors on the Shenzhen board know this place? Or is this cabby trying to bring me to a place and rob me?
CB

I doubt the cabbie was trying to make more money form you for the taxi ride. Its not such a big trip by taxi to the area he mentioned. I have not been over there for some time but alot of Hong Kongnese live near there so it makes sense. The area is called Huaqiang Road which run North/South across Shennan Road. . Huaqiang Road is a major shoppping area in Shenzhen. On the Northeast and Northwest corner of Huanqiang (on Shennan Road) are two huge computer wholesale/retail centers. I am assuming the place your cabbie was referring to was the cell phone market which is 1 block East of Huanqiang Road on the south side of Shennan Road. That area seems like a good place to start looking.

I am uploading a map, I believe I labeled it correctly. Areas marked A, B and C are my best guesses where to look for play. Definitely would be easier to find at night.

LA

TangZhen
01-03-07, 08:17
1) I am in Sha Tsui to early? 4:30pm.
No actually you are about 2 months too late. When it was active you would have found maybe 200 working girls in the area at 4:30 pm.

2) Or it is the clean up really did it?
The authorities have indeed decided to close the area down to prostitution. No joke.

3) The new place, does anyone or seniors on the Shenzhen board know this place? Or is this cabby trying to bring me to a place and rob me?
Don't know for sure which area it is as Shenzhen has dozens of electronic malls. Cabbies trying to rob you is so rare that it is very very unlikely, especially in the afternoon. Very likely you asked him a question and he gave you an opinion.

He said that there is this new place very close to the eletronic mall where they sells a lot of cellphone where the girls now hang out. (Sorry I forgot the name of that place he told me).
It could well be HuaQiangLu near ShaiGe Guang Cheng as LA surmised. I would think that would be a worse situation than before as ShaZui was a pretty good location for a red light district as it was out of the way and not near any tourist or shopping areas. You don't really get lost as wind up in ShaZui, but HuaQiang and ShenNan is a main shopping and transportation area with large number of tourists going though that area.

Ace Gallant
01-04-07, 12:53
I asked this cabby about that "new" place but he did not know any. So I switched to another cab, after switching 4 cabs and none of them know the New place, I gave up and head for Luo Hu Area where I found the BBS posted by senior members.

CB

Did not know you were in town or I would have invite you to join us in CP.

So did you found anything in Luo Hu? May be you should post a report on your findings in Luo Hu so that it will make your report more meaningful.

AG

OldAsiaHand
01-07-07, 14:02
I have fond memories of the "Big Rack Shop" when the big racked lao ban yang from CQ was there. All the girls had racks. Unfortunately, she caught her husband with his hands in the cookie or pussy jar, split and left him with the shop. He ran it into the ground and all the big rack talent moved on. Such a shame!

OAH




I went out to check out an area that I thought might not be affected by the YanDa. The area behind the JingDuJiuDian near ShenNan road (between WanXiangCheng and ZhongXinGuangCheng) once had a pretty lively business but had declined over the years. Long time readers will note that this was the old big rack shop area. I guessed that since it is pretty well concealed and did not attracted the huge crowds that ShaZui was famous for, that it might have a good chance of being passed over, kind of like Moses but less family oriented. In fact my prediciton was correct that the area has indeed seen an increase in the number of shops and girls. Now mind you this is not a huge upsurge and that there are maybe only 10 shops in the area, but still nice to find it going well.

To find the area, you can go to the Oriental Regent Hotel which is near that triangle shaped Shenzhen DB bank building on ShenNan Lu. Go to the T section and cross the street. You should see a arch way to the main alley.

Sukhumvitter
01-07-07, 23:59
Hi all,

I am in Shenzhen China for work and have been looking for fun. There are tons of beautiful women walking around (the current style is knee-high boots and short skirts), but none of them working as far as I can tell. When I approach them they either turn away or just smile blankly. I don’t have Mandarin, and they don’t have English. Frustrating! It reminds me of that old sailor phrase: “Water, Water everywhere and not a drop to drink!” It seems like the crackdown of a couple of months ago did its job. There seems to be nothing happening the way it was described in the old reports.

Any tips for a New China Hand? I’m in the Panglin Hotel area at the moment (near the old hot spots), but I will be moving across town to the Futian District next week.

I will keep doing my investigative reporting to see what I can uncover. I will let you know what I find.

Zorro32
01-08-07, 11:35
Hi Szepat,

I am looking for a wife in china - pretty and virgin.

Is your company able to find such a girl for me?

I am a chinese-american.

Thank you.

Zorro

ABCinLA
01-08-07, 12:31
Its all around you especially near your hotel. the easiest way is to walk towards the border to hong kong and let a mamasan approach you and go with them into the governement controlled apartments (they really worry about any trouble as its gonna cost them the subsidized apt if anything happens then show them your hotel card and let them know by sign language you just want to take one back with you to the hotel its 200 rmb st paid to the girl. Found a great new place (one of three hotels starting on the 5th floor of a renovated building in the first alley way behind century plaza its in the same building at white horse sauna less than 200 rmb for a big new room(Top Star). No need to worry about stares from the security guard pissed off that he didn't get his 50 rmb cut at this place.

Juno Audio
01-08-07, 17:23
Hi all,

I am in Shenzhen China for work and have been looking for fun. There are tons of beautiful women walking around (the current style is knee-high boots and short skirts), but none of them working as far as I can tell. When I approach them they either turn away or just smile blankly. I don’t have Mandarin, and they don’t have English. Frustrating! It reminds me of that old sailor phrase: “Water, Water everywhere and not a drop to drink!” It seems like the crackdown of a couple of months ago did its job. There seems to be nothing happening the way it was described in the old reports.......

Sukhumvitter,

The old hot spot right in front of Seibu is gone for sure, but if you keep on going past the "East Hawaii Sauna", the alley BBS there still open after midnight.

Tile Man4
01-08-07, 19:12
Not to beat a dead horse, but crime in the US and China are very different and it is a bit like comparing apples to oranges. I had a hand phone stolen in China, and never had such types of issues in the US. In fact I know a lot of people in China who had phones or wallets stolen, and that type of thing I can not recall anyone having such an issue in the US. I know a number of people who have been in jail in the US but mainly for not following rules such as driving without a license or expired insurance. I think crime is more common in China but smaller scale, minor pickpocket stuff and petty crime. Serious crime is economic in nature in China while it is a combination of drugs and emotional issues in the US. Most murders here I think are related to 'business deals' gone bad, basically somebody wanted to pull some trick to steal money, but it went wrong. I think I saw on the Chinese language TV that they caught the guy who executed the guy named Lim over in HK.I Just came home from China. I paid double or triple the price for most goods in China. They even do this to their own people. Its quite a country. I read on the internet that Chinese business men don't trust western business people. Where did they ever get this shit information from? Chinese TV , controlled by the Government? They really need to clean their own house first before they complain about the west.

Csun213
01-09-07, 00:44
Hi Szepat,

I am looking for a wife in china - pretty and virgin.

Is your company able to find such a girl for me?

I am a chinese-american.

Thank you.

Zorro

Do you speak Chinese? If you do then you should not have any problem finding a nice girl for a wife however I am not sure about the virgin part. One thing you have to know that you are not buying a wife. Just because you like her does not make her a good wife in the U.S. You have to really spend some time with the girl (just like in your home country) in order to find out if you are both suited for each other.

I have seen a lot of marriages fail (most of my Taiwan friends) because they did not spend enough time to know the girls.

Csun213
01-09-07, 00:48
I Just came home from China. I paid double or triple the price for most goods in China. They even do this to their own people. Its quite a country. I read on the internet that Chinese business men don't trust western business people. Where did they ever get this shit information from? Chinese TV , controlled by the Government? They really need to clean their own house first before they complain about the west.

They are just trying to get as much money as possible for their products. It does not matter what country you are from. They just think that foreigners are easier to rip off since we have a lot of money and don't know better.

You learn as you go. I have been paying too much when I first went to China but now I know better. The best way is to walk away if you think it is too expensive. You can always come back later to purchase it if you really want it badly. Most of the time they will call you back and offer a lower price.

Zorro32
01-09-07, 07:38
Yes, I can speak Chinese fluently, and Cantonese and Taiwanese (Fujianese) and one other chinese dialect too.

If she is not virgin, there is no need to marry her, just keep her as a mistress or whatever.

Seriously, this is what I think.

I've been to China many times but only on short trips and so don't have time to know anybody well. Yes, virgins are very rare in China as in everywhere else. Where have all the virgin girls gone to? I haven't done one yet.


Do you speak Chinese? If you do then you should not have any problem finding a nice girl for a wife however I am not sure about the virgin part. One thing you have to know that you are not buying a wife. Just because you like her does not make her a good wife in the U.S. You have to really spend some time with the girl (just like in your home country) in order to find out if you are both suited for each other.

I have seen a lot of marriages fail (most of my Taiwan friends) because they did not spend enough time to know the girls.

Old Mean Dog
01-09-07, 11:05
Hi Szepat,

I am looking for a wife in china - pretty and virgin.

Is your company able to find such a girl for me?

I am a chinese-american.

Thank you.

Zorro

We can, but I have no clue on any of the clients being virgins, I do not ask them this nor does anyone else in the office. If your sincere, how about fronting the money first to becoming a full member of ISG so you can send and receive private messages.

Old Mean Dog
01-09-07, 11:14
Do you speak Chinese? If you do then you should not have any problem finding a nice girl for a wife however I am not sure about the virgin part. One thing you have to know that you are not buying a wife. Just because you like her does not make her a good wife in the U.S. You have to really spend some time with the girl (just like in your home country) in order to find out if you are both suited for each other.

I have seen a lot of marriages fail (most of my Taiwan friends) because they did not spend enough time to know the girls.

Even better if you speak Putonghua and live in China, then you have many chances to find a wife! Even if you travel to China often, your chances are good. Sadly though, for most middle aged, white boys (even ABC's) from the USA, Canada and Europe this is not the situation.

ABCinLA
01-09-07, 12:05
I recently was discussing this with an American friend based near Zhu Hai but he has plenty of foreign friends in Shenzhen. He was telling me two separate instances where friends were invited to a fancy restaurant such as a private banquet room in the Century Plaza by a new Chinese friend (around 2 weeks after an initial casual meeting at a bar/coffee shop/wherever). In fact the entire table would be filled with new foreign friends of the Chinese guy. Top notch food and liquor then the Chinese guy splits and everyone else is left to pay about a 25,000 rmb or so banquet dinner. Both friends were intially hauled off to jail and ended up paying a negotiated settlement for their share at 4000 to 8000 rmb. My American friend thinks the police and the restaurant are in on this. Who knows about that part and the actual split.

Bnlee2
01-09-07, 23:54
I recently was discussing this with an American friend based near Zhu Hai but he has plenty of foreign friends in Shenzhen. He was telling me two separate instances where friends were invited to a fancy restaurant such as a private banquet room in the Century Plaza by a new Chinese friend (around 2 weeks after an initial casual meeting at a bar/coffee shop/wherever). In fact the entire table would be filled with new foreign friends of the Chinese guy. Top notch food and liquor then the Chinese guy splits and everyone else is left to pay about a 25,000 rmb or so banquet dinner. Both friends were intially hauled off to jail and ended up paying a negotiated settlement for their share at 4000 to 8000 rmb. My American friend thinks the police and the restaurant are in on this. Who knows about that part and the actual split.

dear abcinla

sorry to hear about it. i usually stay at the Century Plaza near the lou wu train station, if that is the one you are talking about. i have been to the Laurel Restaurant for dinner many times. The food is okay not the greatest, but rather the convenience. i just cannot imagine a dinner serve by them costing $25K rmb. my tab is much much lower than that. I know that there is a lot of scam going on, but this sound far fetched.

the most hassle i ever got from them is this idiot security guard in plain clothes tried to stop my secretary coming up to my room to pickup a package and he thought that she was a ho, i went to the GM the next morning and rip'd him to shreds verbally. the next night i did take home a girl and he immediately walked the other way. i was kinda hoping for a confrontation. If you want some action the bellman downstair seems to have the numbers to all the hotties in the area. They even came up with a lineup for a friend staying there last year with me at 4AM in the morning.

Member #1088
01-10-07, 01:51
Hey guys,

What section / mall / place would you recomend buying qualities clothes man / woman at a good price? I am looking to buy for myself like 20 shirt and stuff for the family back in the amounts of 40-50 pieces of clothing.

Next question, can I send it directly to the states or other places, dont want the hasle of having to carry it.

Thanks in Advance

Wilde
01-10-07, 03:40
I Just came home from China. I paid double or triple the price for most goods in China. They even do this to their own people. Its quite a country. I read on the internet that Chinese business men don't trust western business people. Where did they ever get this shit information from? Chinese TV , controlled by the Government? They really need to clean their own house first before they complain about the west.This practice is probably called maximizing the profit. It is not that uncommon even in your home town. You can get a glimpse of it anytime from your neighbourhood Ford salesperson.

I think Chinese businessmen have very good reason not to trust business people from western countries. I have encountered numerous cases where payments for manufactured goods ordered by western buyers never show up. Name one Chinese exporter that does not have lapsed accounts receivables from a foreign buyer.

If you lack the capacity to learn and deal with a foreign culture, home is the place to be.

Ace Gallant
01-10-07, 03:40
Yes, virgins are very rare in China as in everywhere else. Where have all the virgin girls gone to? I haven't done one yet.

There are still many Virgins in China. Where have they gone to?

1) Due to poverty they are “forced” to sell their Cherry for price ranging from 2000 RMB – 10,000RMB depending which city they are in.
2) Due to their stupidity they lost it to some village guys who cheated them.
3) Due to stupidity or greed, they lost it to monger like us.

For number 3: Hey…! This is the ISG where lots of mongers come here in search of girls to get ourselves laid!



If she is not virgin, there is no need to marry her, just keep her as a mistress or whatever.

Seriously, this is what I think.

I've been to China many times but only on short trips and so don't have time to know anybody well. Yes, virgins are very rare in China as in everywhere else. Where have all the virgin girls gone to? I haven't done one yet.

I fail to understand why will you not marry a non-virgin? Are you saying you will marry for that piece of hymen? >> Sorry, its just my assumption.

So, by saying so, you are in fact contradicting yourself here. You will not marry her because she is not a virgin but will continue to go around doing virgins just the keep her as a mistress or treat her like a ****? In that case, if everyone will not marry a non-virgin, but still continue to search for virgins just to break them in for fun; nobody in the world will get to married.

Just my POV
AG

Zorro32
01-10-07, 07:26
I don't go around doing virgins. If you read my post properly, I said I have not had a virgin before.

I want to marry a virgin. It is not a piece of hymen just as a dollar bill is not just a piece of paper. Everybody is entitled to his preference.

If she is not a virgin, just keep her as a mistress. If she is a virgin, marry her.


There are still many Virgins in China. Where have they gone to?

I fail to understand why will you not marry a non-virgin? Are you saying you will marry for that piece of hymen? >> Sorry, its just my assumption.

So, by saying so, you are in fact contradicting yourself here. You will not marry her because she is not a virgin but will continue to go around doing virgins just the keep her as a mistress or treat her like a ****? In that case, if everyone will not marry a non-virgin, but still continue to search for virgins just to break them in for fun; nobody in the world will get to married.

Just my POV

AG

Old Mean Dog
01-10-07, 08:51
I don't go around doing virgins. If you read my post properly, I said I have not had a virgin before.

I want to marry a virgin. It is not a piece of hymen just as a dollar bill is not just a piece of paper. Everybody is entitled to his preference.

If she is not a virgin, just keep her as a mistress. If she is a virgin, marry her.

Good luck to you in your search! I am sure you will not have a huge problem finding a virgin in China. I have heard of some girls who save their cherry for the highest bidder and/or just don't believe in sex until they are married.

I feel this kind of thinking is very antiquated and one sided. After all, how many women have you banged in your life? You expect purity from your future wife, but fail to look in the mirror at yourself.

If a man sleeps with 100 women he is considered a "real man" and he brags about it, but if a woman sleeps with 100 men, she is considered a "*****" and is shunned. Very old logic!

Zorro32
01-10-07, 10:57
Yes, you are entitled to your opinion.

The fact is every person has the right to his or her criteria of a life partner, whether it is virginity, looks, wealth, etc. Of course, whether he can find what he wants is another matter.

If a man who is not a virgin and he wants to marry a virgin, and the girl does not mind, who are you to say anything?

Man and woman are different. Biologically a man is 'designed' to sow his seeds as far and wide as possible, whereas a woman is more selective because she is the one who will carry the baby.

All the talk about equality is bullshit.- at the end of the day, most women still want to marry men who are more successful and/or wealthier than themselves. But no complains here as most men want to marry women better looking than themselves.

I don't think that a man who sleeps with 100 women is anymore a 'real man' than one who sleep with only 1 woman. But a woman who sleeps with 100 men is a different matter.- because women are just not wired that way. Sure, many women also like to try different types of men and have a few lovers.- but they are still more selective than man and will not sleep with 100 men under normal circumstances.


Good luck to you in your search! I am sure you will not have a huge problem finding a virgin in China. I have heard of some girls who save their cherry for the highest bidder and/or just don't believe in sex until they are married.

I feel this kind of thinking is very antiquated and one sided. After all, how many women have you banged in your life? You expect purity from your future wife, but fail to look in the mirror at yourself.

If a man sleeps with 100 women he is considered a "real man" and he brags about it, but if a woman sleeps with 100 men, she is considered a "*****" and is shunned. Very old logic!

Ace Gallant
01-10-07, 14:50
If she is not a virgin, just keep her as a mistress. If she is a virgin, marry her.

If you are not married why will you have a mistress? So you are suggesting that you sleep around until you find a virgin and than you marry that virgin? Keep those that are not virgin as future mistress? By than you could have many mistresses already... can you manage that?

AG

Ace Gallant
01-10-07, 14:51
I feel this kind of thinking is very antiquated and one sided. After all, how many women have you banged in your life? You expect purity from your future wife, but fail to look in the mirror at yourself.

If a man sleeps with 100 women he is considered a "real man" and he brags about it, but if a woman sleeps with 100 men, she is considered a "*****" and is shunned. Very old logic!

Took the words out of my mouth SZ...

AG

TangZhen
01-10-07, 14:53
then the Chinese guy splits and everyone else is left to pay about a 25,000 rmb or so banquet dinner. Both friends were intially hauled off to jail and ended up paying a negotiated settlement for their share at 4000 to 8000 rmb. My American friend thinks the police and the restaurant are in on this. Who knows about that part and the actual split.Who knows the truth on such things, but could be a setup scam including the hotel or police, BUT
1) Never, ever trust anyone who has not proven they are trustworthy
2) When in a foreign land, be rather conservative unless you have friends.
I might get roped into the same scam, but if it did not involve anything illegal I would call a number of friends who would help fight back. I doubt I would walk away paying anything more than I actually ate.

Csun213
01-10-07, 17:48
The problem here is that you are looking for a wife. It is not a simple task. You are going to be with someone for the next 50 years or so. Just because you find a pretty virgin, it does not mean that you guys are suited for each other. Do you plan on having sex with her before you marry her? If you do what happens if you change your mind. What if you do marry a virgin and then find out on your honeymoon that she does not like sex? What if you find a girl that is perfect for you but she is not a virgin. Would you pass on her?

Sorry to keep going on about this but you must know that you are not just going to purchase a girl for marriage but finding your soul mate which is not easy. If you put a lot of conditions on your search then you will just have less chance in finding the right girl. However everyone have the right to do what they think is right for them and I wish you the best of luck in your search.

Krum Lov
01-11-07, 14:48
hi guys, i've read a few reports on the pink building area behind the shang-ri-la hotel airport. one report mentions "fujian" style BBS, that offer a massage and happy ending for 70RMB. the wank involves a "soapy" HJ. the report says women are dressed in white skirts. for the life of me, i can't seem to find these places. i can see many BBS, but not sure where the fujian ones that offer these soapy BJs are. can someone offer exact directions pls? thnx!

Qiao Han
01-11-07, 16:47
Who are we to say anything, you ask? Well bud, I believe it was you who raised this issue with us about virgins. I just don't understand why that cherry is soooo important to you. Finding happiness with the right girl has nothing to do with whether she is a virgin or not. Your belief that men and women aren't equal is unrealistic. Men and women are like the two wings of the bird of mankind. For the bird to fly, both wings must be completely free. How would you feel if your virgin mongered on you? Is it OK for you to keep a mistress, but she can't have a "mister"? You need to think about this deeply, brother.

Csun213
01-11-07, 20:23
hi guys, i've read a few reports on the pink building area behind the shang-ri-la hotel airport. one report mentions "fujian" style BBS, that offer a massage and happy ending for 70RMB. the wank involves a "soapy" HJ. the report says women are dressed in white skirts. for the life of me, i can't seem to find these places. i can see many BBS, but not sure where the fujian ones that offer these soapy BJs are. can someone offer exact directions pls? thnx!

You will notice that right across from the Pink building is a Bank Of China. I just want to make sure that you are in front of the entrance to the pink building. As you walk toward the Pink building, you will see a security guard small building on the left. You will also see a couple of hair washing place on your left with lots of pretty lights. Keep walking until you get to a alley. Make a right at this alley which should be the first alley. Go to the 4th shop that is located on your left. There is nothing on your right side. Go up about 10 steps into the shop. You should see some girls in white sitting on the couch watching TV. This is the shop. Try #12 (if she is still there), it is 70rmb for a soapie HJ. They will however ask if you want the soapie HJ before they go out and get the warm water. If you do not want the soapie HJ then a regular oily HJ is included for 35rmb. The soapie HJ is and extra 35rmb which is how you get to the 70rmb. I highly recommend the soapie since it is a new expenience. You can get a regular HJ in almost any shop but it is hard to find the soapie HJ. PM me if you still have any other questions. Have fun.

Unknown One
01-12-07, 12:35
There are still many Virgins in China. Where have they gone to?

1) Due to poverty they are “forced” to sell their Cherry for price ranging from 2000 RMB – 10,000RMB depending which city they are in.
2) Due to their stupidity they lost it to some village guys who cheated them.
3) Due to stupidity or greed, they lost it to monger like us.

For number 3: Hey…! This is the ISG where lots of mongers come here in search of girls to get ourselves laid!



I fail to understand why will you not marry a non-virgin? Are you saying you will marry for that piece of hymen? >> Sorry, its just my assumption.

So, by saying so, you are in fact contradicting yourself here. You will not marry her because she is not a virgin but will continue to go around doing virgins just the keep her as a mistress or treat her like a ****? In that case, if everyone will not marry a non-virgin, but still continue to search for virgins just to break them in for fun; nobody in the world will get to married.

Just my POV
AG


Is there anyplace you dont post Ace? Here I come looking for fun in Shenzhen because of that trip I told you about...and here the shadow of your domain continues to extends.....

Anyhoo, does anybody know if the Day Inn near Dong Men is girl friendly? Also I am heading down to SZ for a couple of days next week, anybody want to get together?

And finally, does anybody find the ironic hilarity in a morality issue debate ensuing on a website helping guys find women to fuck? Whats going on down there? So Zorro wants a virgin, fine let him find one.
HEY EVERYBODY!!!!! Who wants to tell Zorro that hymen transplants is growing very popular in China?

TangZhen
01-12-07, 13:40
I was in the area, so I thought I would check out the Jusco area. It was a bit early at about 3 PM, but there are girls there. They can't open the shops until late at night I guess, so the girls all sit outside the shops. There are not a huge number, maybe 40 to 50 to choose from. When making a selection, I would recommend not waiting around, rather it is a good idea to quickly get out of the alley and upstairs. There seems to be actually less LE around and there was not problem.

In selecting a girl and the operation, there was nothing unusual and the normal terms applied, 150 RMB, though I asked before the papa left about 150 rmb, seconds after he had mentioned to the girl to ask for 200.

I would say if you are in the area, it is safe to use but be very circumspect and try to avoid getting too much attention.

In a related observation, I checked out an area where the locals would get shop. These were not really on the ISG radar as they were a little to low rent for my tastes. These local shops had been closed, even a shop that only offered HJs, though there is a HJ shop not far away. But all the FS shops had been closed though they might open very late at night.

TangZhen
01-12-07, 13:52
for the life of me, i can't seem to find these places. i can see many BBS, but not sure where the fujian onesBest way to find them is to konw a few characters. Easiest would be Fu as in FuJian, you see Fu is on like 70% of door here in China, so study the characters on doors and you should be able to recoginze the character and make the right selection. In fact since ChunJie is coming up you could go to a stationary store and buy a Fu for yourself and walk around the pink buildings area comparing your new Fu to the characters on the store sign.

This brings me to a new product for mobile phone called 'I need China' where you communicate with people not with characters and words, but with pictures of what you want, so you type 'oranges' in your phone and it brings up a small photo of oranges. Maybe they have a photo of happy ending soap massages for KL. On thinking about it, I think the Fu idea is more practical.

Ace Gallant
01-12-07, 14:20
Is there anyplace you dont post Ace? Here I come looking for fun in Shenzhen because of that trip I told you about...and here the shadow of your domain continues to extends.....


UO,

The answer is "Yes",
1. I do not post in places that I had not been to.
2. I do not post in places that I am not familiar with.
3. I do not post in places where there are too many wankers or newbies who pretends to be experts in the area. Since there are so many “experts” there is no need for real information.



And finally, does anybody find the ironic hilarity in a morality issue debate ensuing on a website helping guys find women to fuck? Whats going on down there? So Zorro wants a virgin, fine let him find one.
HEY EVERYBODY!!!!! Who wants to tell Zorro that hymen transplants is growing very popular in China?


IMHO:

Our friend here just wants a virgin he is too shy to say so, he put it in a nice way that he wants a wife. If I read it right, although he said he had never fuck a virgin before, he is likely a virgin hunter who love virgins. This is a website for mongers, why will one come here to look for a virgin wife? Besides; I agreed with CSUN and Qiao Han, why is virginity so important if you want her as a wife? Is it because it feels better? Is it domination? Frankly I think this is all crap! We are living in 21st Century man!

Zorro, I am not saying you are crap or that you are wrong, every person have the rights to his own opinion. If it is virgin wife that you want… so let that be it. Good luck on your hunt!

AG

Krum Lov
01-12-07, 15:10
thnx tangshen and csun 213! csun, i think i know where you mean ... pretty sure i do, anyway. i'll take a look next week. 35RMB is certainly great value. should i just ask the cost of massage from the girls first, or just go in and assume i know what the deal is? will they give 1-hr massage before HJ? can you play with their titties during massage, etc? any other tips besides No. 12? tangshen, will try and find characters for fu in books somewhere, cheers.

Manfest
01-12-07, 16:57
Anyhoo, does anybody know if the Day Inn near Dong Men is girl friendly? Also I am heading down to SZ for a couple of days next week, anybody want to get together?

UO,
Days Inn is reasonably girl friendly. However, about a year ago, they had the 11PM cut off where they posted a person to check for unregistered guests (young girls were asked for ID but not men). There were no problems earlier in the evening. As a bit of information gathering, there is a BBS scene not too far from there. I posted about it on my very first FR (ahhh, fond memories). If you get a chance to check it out, please let us know if it survived.

I will be in SZN January 21-23. If you or anyone is interested in hunting together, please PM. Have fun.
M

Csun213
01-14-07, 01:20
thnx tangshen and csun 213! csun, i think i know where you mean ... pretty sure i do, anyway. i'll take a look next week. 35RMB is certainly great value. should i just ask the cost of massage from the girls first, or just go in and assume i know what the deal is? will they give 1-hr massage before HJ? can you play with their titties during massage, etc? any other tips besides No. 12? tangshen, will try and find characters for fu in books somewhere, cheers.

The price structure is 35rmb for a 1 hour massage with regular HJ. An extra 35rmb for the soapie HJ (try it, you will like it). You can go ahead and unhook her bra however she will not take it off but enough for you to play with them. No tip is necessary. The price is standard so you don't have to ask. You would either pay 35rmb or 70rmb. I usually give a small tip after she becomes a regular but if you plan on trying different girls then I would say do not tip.

Have fun and post what you experience after you try it.

Sicer
01-14-07, 12:03
You can use this picture to direct a taxi driver to the north gate of Hu Bei Xin Cun. Facing the gate, as in the pic, enter the village, down the steps, and proceed south. The vast majority of BBSes are on your left, to the east of the main street; just look for the pink and blue neon. I was there last Thursday, about 100 girls in the area, about a half dozen up to my standard. 150RMB for ST. Nice, but no comparison to Sha Tsui!

Santa
01-14-07, 19:52
Alright, for fuck sake, enough of this useless crap about "virgins". If I remember correctly, Jackson has already banned that topic on the China board.

The Futian Walmart shops are completely closed down, shutters are all down and there are signs on the doors "closed by order of, etc".

However, the Hu Bei Xin Cun (Concubine Village) shops in Lowu are open.

Santa
01-15-07, 15:49
I was in the area, so I thought I would check out the Jusco area. It was a bit early at about 3 PM, but there are girls there. They can't open the shops until late at night I guess, so the girls all sit outside the shops. There are not a huge number, maybe 40 to 50 to choose from. When making a selection, I would recommend not waiting around, rather it is a good idea to quickly get out of the alley and upstairs. There seems to be actually less LE around and there was not problem.

.

I checked the Jusco shops today around 5pm. They should have been opening at this time. EVERYTHING was closed with the white stickers on the doors, "closed by order of the, etc". There were five or six girls hanging around in the alleys, nothing more. Finished.

Laowai123
01-15-07, 16:29
I checked the Jusco shops today around 5pm. They should have been opening at this time. EVERYTHING was closed with the white stickers on the doors, "closed by order of the, etc". There were five or six girls hanging around in the alleys, nothing more. Finished.Santa, time to move (back) westwards, CP and ZMT is awaiting you. Drop me a call when heading back to your second hometown ;).

LW

Unknown One
01-15-07, 19:16
UO,
Days Inn is reasonably girl friendly. However, about a year ago, they had the 11PM cut off where they posted a person to check for unregistered guests (young girls were asked for ID but not men). There were no problems earlier in the evening. As a bit of information gathering, there is a BBS scene not too far from there. I posted about it on my very first FR (ahhh, fond memories). If you get a chance to check it out, please let us know if it survived.

I will be in SZN January 21-23. If you or anyone is interested in hunting together, please PM. Have fun.
M

Hi Manifest. Thanks for the information, I am currently reading the freakin forum gathering information on this area. However I have been in the mood for a bit of fishing. Something about trying to catch a SW's eye has a certain element of excitement as I unveil her true nature of a sex for money kitten. But I will give the BBS scene around there a thorough search and see what I find.
Im going to be in Shenzhen from 16-18 of Jan. Guess we wont be seeing eachother this time :)

Old Mean Dog
01-16-07, 07:06
I was in the area, so I thought I would check out the Jusco area. It was a bit early at about 3 PM, but there are girls there. They can't open the shops until late at night I guess, so the girls all sit outside the shops. There are not a huge number, maybe 40 to 50 to choose from. When making a selection, I would recommend not waiting around, rather it is a good idea to quickly get out of the alley and upstairs. There seems to be actually less LE around and there was not problem.


I would have to agree with Santa since I was with him, seemed like a ghost town back there with only about half a dozen girls standing around and none of them were really worth the $$$. We also looked over at Hu Bei Xin Cun and I only saw a couple of girls I would be willing to P4P with. Sad days

Some SW's and Mommies are back around the Panglin and Sunshine Hotels, but nothing like it used to be.

Unknown One
01-16-07, 07:27
UO,
Days Inn is reasonably girl friendly. However, about a year ago, they had the 11PM cut off where they posted a person to check for unregistered guests (young girls were asked for ID but not men). There were no problems earlier in the evening. As a bit of information gathering, there is a BBS scene not too far from there. I posted about it on my very first FR (ahhh, fond memories). If you get a chance to check it out, please let us know if it survived.

I will be in SZN January 21-23. If you or anyone is interested in hunting together, please PM. Have fun.
M

Hi Manifest,

I am heading out today and would try to bring a field report on the BBS scene you mentioned. However if you can give me better details as to AROUND there it would help greatly. You can PM the streets to look for or at least NSEW direction. I am probably going to walk along Dong Men Rd and look for SW but will try to find out if those BBS from yonder days survived and bring folks a report of nostalgia.

Manfest
01-16-07, 08:06
I am heading out today and would try to bring a field report on the BBS scene you mentioned. However if you can give me better details as to AROUND there it would help greatly.

Days Inn is on Jiefang road. Go west on Jiefang (away from Dongmen lu) until you hit Bao'an road and turn right (north). Go about 2 or 3 blocks until you hit Hongui, and turn right. As you walk down the left side of this street, you will see Chinese stone pillars marking the entrance to this area. It might take 10-15 (+/-) minutes walk.

As you walk through the pillars, there is a walking street straight in front of you, the BBS are on the parallel alleys to the left and in between (or used to be).

Hope it survived, have fun.
-M

Krum Lov
01-16-07, 11:53
csun 213, found the shop. good directions, cheers. didn't see any numbers on their shirts, so grabbed a very pretty 18-yr-old. but she was very ordinary in her attitude i'm sad to say. when time come, she gave me the shampoo HJ you talked about for 70RMB -- so that was cool. as i walked out, i saw a real cutie who had a great smile and seemingly good attitude. hopefully will try her next time. any idea how to see their numbers? i was looking for your recommendation of NO.12, but no luck. also, have you ever had BJ or FS there? thnx again ...

Unknown One
01-16-07, 19:40
Hope it survived, have fun.
-M

Thanks for the info, Manifest, but Santa showed me around the area and there sure were BBS's in the little alleys, just like that cluster I found near the new Vienna hotel by Carrefour a few months back when I was here.

Actually, Ace called me from Chengdu the moment my plane landed and I turned on my phone. I asked how he knew I just arrived, he mentioned something about implants. He laughed, I used to laugh, now Im just freaked out by his surveillance capabilities.

Anyways, I met up with Santa and (assuming the BBS cluster you were referring to, Manifest, is in the Hu Bei Xin Cun that is pretty close to Days Inn and that location has been a topic of late on the board. If that is not the one, I will scout around on foot tomorrow night when I look for SW.) we went to dinner and window shopping. I found a really nice looking girl in one of the shops, god knows if I can give directions to these places but she had that classic Chinese beauty to her (Actually I have a phone number from the mamasan so now she can be found, I may try her out tonight) She had the right eyes, the right sitting posture, the right aura and sure enough when I asked her, she was from Jiangsu. True Chinese beauty she is. However Santa and I wandered around window shopping too much that when we went back she went out for food and we were already pretty beat. Santa and I had a nice dinner actually, great seafood restaurants on Le Yuan Lu.
I didnt score but can additionally verify that Hu Bei Xin Cun has its own BBS cluster along the alleys. The mamasans here however are alot nicer than the ones by Vienna in Futian. They dont try to rip off your sleeve dragging you into their shop.

Cappy
01-17-07, 20:39
Man, it's amazing how I used to just gloss over these Luowu Shenzhen reports. If it wasn't about Fuxing lu, Sha Tsui or Jusco I'd just quickly scroll through the text and basically do little more that just check for spelling errors ;-)

Well, the Laoban d'Luowu changed all that for me forever last night. I can vouch for everything Unknown One says about the area. (and sorry we didn't meet by the way. I stuck around until about 9pm then my da fei jie kicked in
and I had to crash).
Very nice strolling around with Dr. Santa. He hasn't left many stones or alley ways or pink lights uncovered.

At one point Santa and I did say we'd mention to all was that it is possible to get a 35rmb hj at the first hand-job shop on the right and inside the western gate at Hu Bei Xin Cun. Some of you will know this place as the one with uniformed girls that in the past has charged 35rmb for the massage and 35 for the hj (70 total).

We decided to test out theory and it didn't take much persuasion on our part to get the manager to accept our both of our 35 kuais. I don't think he tells the girls too much as once inside the room the girl will do some massage and then start to grind a bit. Both Dr. Santa-Love and I politely held our respective grounds and got what we we came for.

I had a lovely, lovely 20 y/o Fujian girl, she was at least a 7.5 in my book. I was very attraced to her. She even provided a very enjoyable (but short) massage.

Beyond the HJ massage places and the '128 Shops We've started calling them there is a range shops for various tastes from the youngish attractive girls to the perhaps less appealing but more experienced ladies. There are many many sauna/massage shops that do 2 hour body massage (oil) for 128rmb followed by a happy finish.

Csun213
01-17-07, 22:59
csun 213, found the shop. good directions, cheers. didn't see any numbers on their shirts, so grabbed a very pretty 18-yr-old. but she was very ordinary in her attitude i'm sad to say. when time come, she gave me the shampoo HJ you talked about for 70RMB -- so that was cool. as i walked out, i saw a real cutie who had a great smile and seemingly good attitude. hopefully will try her next time. any idea how to see their numbers? i was looking for your recommendation of NO.12, but no luck. also, have you ever had BJ or FS there? thnx again ...

They don't wear any numbers. You must ask the girl or the guy what their numbers are. You will also find that you will get better service the next time you return. They only offers HJ, not BJ nor FS however you can always try and talk them into coming to your room after work or before work.

Phantomtiger2
01-17-07, 23:31
What countries did you put down? Did it also include Cambodia?

At what airport border did you have this problem?

Bill


Hey Bill,
I just made a trip to Cambo about a month ago (their visa sticker is so f**king big that it takes up a whole page on your passport. No custom agent can miss that page.
Coming back, I had to go thru and use 2 airports (NY for a short visit and then back home in Canada). Didn't get stopped at either (Wew).
I usually dont carry too much luggage and on the declaration forms , I put down 2 T-shirts.
--Never put down foods--its a red flag.

Cheers pal

PT

TangZhen
01-18-07, 10:10
I would have to agree with Santa since I was with him, seemed like a ghost town back there with only about half a dozen girls standing around and none of them were really worth the $$$.Of course the area is only a shell of what it used to be, but the trend is in the right direction. On rereading my post my estimate of 40-50 girls is likely a bit high, it would problably be more like 20 to 25. But that is a lot more than the half dozen you saw. It looks as if the authorities are willing to let a small amount of business there which indicates that after a few months, I would expect 5 or 6 shops to be in business, likely on the back row, furthest from ZhongXinGuangCheng. I dont think it will ever fully recover to the major monger spot, because the land is too visible and valuable.

Still, shopping for girls there is not for the feint of heart and OAH style shopping is likely not a good idea. It is important to be inconspicious and discreet when selecting and move quickly to the room. Clearly some shopping is allowed or the girls could not be there, it is just a bad idea though to tempt fate.

Cockburn
01-19-07, 09:47
Actually, Ace called me from Chengdu the moment my plane landed and I turned on my phone. I asked how he knew I just arrived, he mentioned something about implants. He laughed, I used to laugh, now Im just freaked out by his surveillance capabilities.Unknown One,

First time I met AG in Oct 2006. We PM each other and set a location in which we are to meet at Nan Jing Dong Road near a shopping mall. I had never given him any photo or description of myself. At the right time, he came around, gave me a pad on my back and said: "Cockburn, this is AG!" How on earth does he know me, in the middle of a crowded street? I am ABC and would count myself totally Chinese looking. Even shop assistants would not even be able to tell that I am not local.

That's not all; I had never told him my Lastname, but in email he sent me later, he addressed me by my lastname! I was totally freak out by those incidents!

At first, I had the thoughts that he could be CIA or FBI. But looking at the way he party, ha ha, does not like one.

He pass me a package full of Shanghai snacks in which I were to deliver to his ex-wife in LA. When I arrived at the house (he said he bought that for his ex-wife) I confirmed that he is not FBI or CIA agent. Agents do not make that much money to be able to efford such a huge property!

Whoever he is, I had also concluded that I better not get into his bad books.

AG, maybe if you are reading this, please clarify. Thanks Lao Da!

CB

Ace Gallant
01-20-07, 05:32
Unknown One,

At first, I had the thoughts that he could be CIA or FBI. But looking at the way he party, ha ha, does not like one.


CB

Cockburn,

No, I am from MI6 hahahaha

CIA, FBI exist only in the States. This China. Enough of all these nonsense and let's get back to the Subject of Mongering.

Shenzhen:

Seems like Shenzhen is very much up and running after the series of crackdowns. I will do some scouting around those regular places and report back soon. Of course this will includes Sha Tsui areas.

Enjoy!
AG

Santa
01-20-07, 05:56
Maybe he works for the chinese secret service. He is also a gynecologist. :D

Old Mean Dog
01-20-07, 07:38
Of course the area is only a shell of what it used to be, but the trend is in the right direction. On rereading my post my estimate of 40-50 girls is likely a bit high, it would problably be more like 20 to 25. But that is a lot more than the half dozen you saw. It looks as if the authorities are willing to let a small amount of business there which indicates that after a few months, I would expect 5 or 6 shops to be in business, likely on the back row, furthest from ZhongXinGuangCheng. I dont think it will ever fully recover to the major monger spot, because the land is too visible and valuable.

Still, shopping for girls there is not for the feint of heart and OAH style shopping is likely not a good idea. It is important to be inconspicious and discreet when selecting and move quickly to the room. Clearly some shopping is allowed or the girls could not be there, it is just a bad idea though to tempt fate.

I agree that it will never be like it used to be. I did even more scouting of the area Thursday night at 8 pm (a decent time for mongering), I saw 2 (two) girls who were SW's, both of them were just sitting, playing cards at a legit little snack shop.....that's it, less the one small relaxation massage joint with 4 girls who were all ugly....

The interesting thing here is that we saw two men keeping an eye on the area and us, I would safely bet both if these fellas were plain clothes vice squad. They are working hard to improve the area, especially on Shennan Lu so I don't think this area will ever come back again.

Just my 2 cents

Manfest
01-22-07, 07:47
I did even more scouting of the area Thursday night at 8 pm (a decent time for mongering), I saw 2 (two) girls who were SW's, both of them were just sitting, playing cards at a legit little snack shop.....that's it, less the one small relaxation massage joint with 4 girls who were all ugly....


Thanks TangZhen, Cappy, Szexpat and others for reporting on the Hu Bei Xin Cun area. I'm in town now and checked the area out during the day, mainly to stop and get seafood, but also to see if the "128" shops were open during the day. Cappy, you mentioned some oily massage with happy ending for 128 RMB, but I didn't see anything with that number posted. I cannot read or speak, so this is the main problem. Anyone have any landmarks or clues how to find these? Thanks.

One interesting observation is that there seem to be two places with blue lights open during the day. If you are walking east on Zhong Xing Lu and turn right onto Le Yuan Lu (just before the main North gate), go down 2 blocks. At the second street that hits Le Yuan Lu perpendicularly, turn right. (there is a slight fork, take the left path). Walk for about 1 minute, and on the right side, there is a store with 2 blue poles with no barber chairs. As I lingered a little making a mental note, a girl came out and spoke very nicely and earnestly, but try as I might, no clear understanding. I didn't want to make the "sex sign", but she didn't seem to understand the word massage either. From the looks of it, this could be a provider.

Across the street from that place, into a small alleyway, there is another place with 2 blue poles and no chairs. I watched 2 guys enter and be escorted to the back rooms. I will check them out perhaps tomorrow during the day again now that I looked up the Chinese words necessary to communicate.

Please note, this is outside of the cun, closer to all the seafood restaurants. It is/was about 2PM. More details when I get them.

Cooler Wolf2
01-22-07, 14:05
Been lurking around for a while, reading various forums, but this is my first post.

I'm pretty clued up, thanks to you guys, on what/where I want to go when in Shenzhen. However, I will be in Shekou mid-February for about a week and i'm looking for a budget option for a hotel.

Looked at ctrip for the Nan Hai but priced at 860RMB per night. The only other option is the Hai Tao at 280RMB. Cheap and cheerful is fine, but while its cheap, don't know if it's cheerful!

Does anyone know of a fairly cheap or mid-priced option?

Any advice on Shekou hotels is very welcome. Will report back about my misadventures when I return.

Been living up in Dalian for a couple of years. This is very much a part-time hobby for me and I may not be too up-to-date with all the best spots. However, I do know the city - and a variety of massage/bar opportunities - pretty well. If anyone new to the city is looking for a guide/buddy etc. just give me a shout.

TIA
Cooler Wolf

Tiger 888
01-23-07, 00:16
Been lurking around for a while, reading various forums, but this is my first post.

I'm pretty clued up, thanks to you guys, on what/where I want to go when in Shenzhen. However, I will be in Shekou mid-February for about a week and i'm looking for a budget option for a hotel.

Looked at ctrip for the Nan Hai but priced at 860RMB per night. The only other option is the Hai Tao at 280RMB. Cheap and cheerful is fine, but while its cheap, don't know if it's cheerful!

Does anyone know of a fairly cheap or mid-priced option?

Any advice on Shekou hotels is very welcome. Will report back about my misadventures when I return.

Been living up in Dalian for a couple of years. This is very much a part-time hobby for me and I may not be too up-to-date with all the best spots. However, I do know the city - and a variety of massage/bar opportunities - pretty well. If anyone new to the city is looking for a guide/buddy etc. just give me a shout.

TIA
Cooler Wolf
Make a Search with the key words Shekou and Hotel and you will come up with all your questions answered. I have posted details including namecard in September last year. Just take the effort of reading a bit.

Cooler Wolf2
01-23-07, 14:20
Make a Search with the key words Shekou and Hotel and you will come up with all your questions answered. I have posted details including namecard in September last year. Just take the effort of reading a bit.Tiger,

Thanks for the tip on where to look.

Was asking on the forum because of the horrible connection problems that I'm sure some of the other China users are experiencing too. Having to use a proxy to gain access now and for some reason it won't accept search queries on either the forum or threads.

Best I can do for now is repeat my offer of guide next time you are visiting Dalian, if you need it.

Cheers,

Cooler Wolf

Manfest
01-23-07, 16:42
(assuming the BBS cluster you were referring to, Manifest, is in the Hu Bei Xin Cun that is pretty close to Days Inn and that location has been a topic of late on the board. If that is not the one, I will scout around on foot tomorrow night when I look for SW.)

Hi UO,
Hu Bei Xin is very close to where I am staying, but I didn't have a chance to check it out during the evening hours this trip, yet. I was, however, describing a different cun pretty close to Days Inn.

The location is described in my first post, and a refresher recently, so I won't repeat. At around 10 PM tonight, there were 9 BBS with between 1 and 10 girls. The area seems to be just about what I remember it to be, and the overall quality was pretty good. I can't really distinguish between real and rent-a-cops, but there were several uniformed personnel around. The mama asked me some questions to which I just smiled, I said the magic "yibai wu", and she nodded, handed me a key and signaled for me to walk around the block by myself before entering a doorway. Service was with a smile and overall very nice. I didn't see any other customers around, and all the girls seemed to be sitting around, so quite service oriented at least tonight.

I'm happy to report this little cun survived.

Cappy
01-24-07, 01:11
I thinks it's fair to say that there are dozens if not more 128 massage shops in Luowu. Santa gave me the directions to post but sorry, I didn't write them down. Generally, the 128rmb price is listed at the bottom of the poster in a column of prices. It's usually one of the higher-priced offerings.

I can't vouch for quality because all Santa and I sprung for was a 30rmb quickie. We just wanted to see if it could be done.

This evening in Shanghai I partook in a 128rmb massage just across from my hotel. My Wuzhou girl was quite sweet and cute. Upon paying though, the cashier tried to get 228rmb from me but I refused. So, watch yourself out there.




Thanks TangZhen, Cappy, Szexpat and others for reporting on the Hu Bei Xin Cun area. Cappy, you mentioned some oily massage with happy ending for 128 RMB, but I didn't see anything with that number posted. I cannot read or speak, so this is the main problem. Anyone have any landmarks or clues how to find these? Thanks.

Old Mean Dog
01-24-07, 11:47
Hi All,

The company we are partners with is having their grand opening this Friday (26 Jan) at 7 pm up in Guangzhou and there will be 30+ marriage minded ladies who will be in attendance. It is open for all to attend so, if your interested in meeting some "nice" girls, send me a PM and I'll give you details on how to get there and yes, it's free.

-SZE

Bad Influence
01-24-07, 14:26
I'm staying at the Vienna International hotel in Futian next week. First time in this area, does anyone know what's available close by? The hotel advertises a sauna, but I'm not expecting much there.

HornyAsianDawg
01-24-07, 18:56
Just a quick report on mongering in SZ.

I've been back for about a week now but I came up here on the very first day I got back. Went to my favorite massage parlor in Xia Sha and did my usual RMB 350 two shots two/hours deal. The VIP rooms are clean enough and their selection of girls is OK. They have about 30 chicks, and since I have not been for a while their girl selection has been updated. The only thing I hate about this type of mongering is they show you girls two at a time. But I got lucky and picked the 4th chick, and she gave me a complete GFE experience. After the deed I stayed and got a foot message, during which time the manager turned away almost 5 potentional customers in the 90 mins I was there getting my foot rub. I asked him why he didn't let thoses new customers into the VIP rooms and he said the crackdown is still affecting business. Even worst is at some massage clubs they police are checking in every hour on the hour. I suspect even the message clubs/parlors in Xia Sha will eventually shut down too. After seeing the manager turn down so many customers, I was worried the PSB might burst into my VIP room while I am in the middle of the deed and get busted and paraded for my mongering activities. No thank you.

I took a cab back to Huang Gang but asked the driver to swing by the Vienna hotel as well as the barbershops by Futian. Granted the Vienna hotel is close by the Barbershops around the Walmart, but at 8:00pm not many were open and the ones that were seems to really be washing hair. So to answer Bad Influence, yes, there USE TO BE a whole street full of barbershops where there are girls who would provide FS at your hotel. But my trip last week didn't seem promising. If you speak Mandarin ask the cab driver to drive you to the barbershops by the Walmart. So ask the security gaurd about massage services at the hotel. It may cost more but is probably a safer bet.

Under normal circumstances I would have blasted BI for not doing a search, but there isn't too much up to date information on this thread right now and thus I'll let it slide this time.

I'll be going up to DG next week for my fun. I guess I'll have to make the 45 minute drive to get my fun. Good luck to mongering.

Bad Influence
01-25-07, 02:03
I have read every page of this forum, but I get your point. My problem is that having read the last few months, I know how much things have changed and am making no assumptions about what may or may not be available. If things had not changed, I would not have asked. Sorry to be a PITA.

Thanks for the info though, I do appreciate it.

Loso69
01-27-07, 22:44
prologue

i took the train from changping to shenzhen and contacted santa as soon as i arrived. he gave me directions to the hotel where he was staying and negotiated a favorable room rate as i checked into the golden luohu hotel as well.

santa was the first fellow laowai monger i met in mainland china. we had lunch together and spent the rest of the afternoon talking to two shenzhen expats who had scary stories to tell about people getting their heads chopped off in the back alleys of concubine village. :)

early evening, santa and i were accompanied by csun213 and two young compatriots of his, as we hit hu bei xin cun (concubine village). but we were early and there were few girls around.

santa eventually found himself some company. csun213 took his posse to dinner. i kept tracking the neon lights on my search for miss right...

annie

the selection was not at all impressive and when i finally found a girl i liked the look of... she turned me down. after walking up and down all the alleys, i made my way back to find a “possible maybe” i’d spotted. annie was game to accompany this laowai to his hotel for the standard rate of 150 rmb.

annie wouldn’t agree to pictures at first, but finally caved in. she wouldn’t kiss me, as she wanted to keep her lipstick intact. she wouldn’t suck my dick either.

she had a great rack, which i enjoyed playing with. but she remained dry, even though i ate her pussy, and was basically a starfish.

zhar

after comparing notes with santa over dinner, i headed back to hu bei xin cun for a 2nd helping. the selection was bigger and better than earlier in the evening, but each and every one of the more attractive girls... turned me down. :(

i finally settled on zhar. her mamasan asked for 200 rmb st (and 500 rmb lt), but quickly settled for 150 rmb. zhar seemed enthusiastic, had this funky look i kinda liked and turned out to be great fun in bed...

zhar was french kissing me from the start and licking her clit made her horny as hell. she spent a long time sucking the white lollipop and then proceeded to fuck my brains out. great girl!

after the great performance she gave me, i considered inviting zhar to spend the night. but there was no safe in my room and i was pooped...

loso

Csun213
01-28-07, 03:35
OK, Loso69. Now I remember who you are. How long did you stay in SZ or are you still there now. My posse and I hope to be back in SZ around mid April. Meanwhile just have to read all the fun you guys are having in China without us :-(

Weelock
01-28-07, 05:39
Prologue

I took the train from Changping to Shenzhen and contacted Santa as soon as I arrived. He gave me directions to the hotel where he was staying and negotiated a favorable room rate as I checked into the Golden Luohu Hotel as well.

Santa was the first fellow laowai monger I met in mainland China. We had lunch together and spent the rest of the afternoon talking to two Shenzhen expats who had scary stories to tell about people getting their heads chopped off in the back alleys of Concubine Village. :)

Early evening, Santa and I were accompanied by Csun213 and two young compatriots of his, as we hit Hu Bei Xin Cun (Concubine Village). But we were early and there were few girls around.

--cut--


Can you tell us some of these head chopping stores in Concubine Village?

Santa
01-28-07, 06:31
Can you tell us some of these head chopping stores in Concubine Village?

I think the story told to us was greatly exaggerated. I have walked around this area many times and my head is still on my shoulders, I think:confused:

Weelock
01-28-07, 07:22
I think the story told to us was greatly exaggerated. I have walked around this area many times and my head is still on my shoulders, I think:confused:

You never know because Southern China and Shenzhen is known to be a wild and dangerous place. ( I posted about safety a few weeks ago and I wrote about Sha Zui before, therefore nothing new to post ). Some of the stories have some truth but like you said exaggerated. If you look at Sha Zui, there were few murders and robberies related to mongering. Therefore you never know. Then one tail of a story about a HK police office being caught in the middle of the wild thing. Great to hear you still got your head because you never want to get an expensive "Chinese hair cut".

Weelock

OldAsiaHand
01-28-07, 08:04
There are many shops in SZ where a massage and HJ can be had for only 35 RMB inclusive. Sometimes, they try to get you to take 2 hours, 70 RMB, before the HJ, but will agree if you insist on one hour.

Juno Audio
01-28-07, 10:46
Well, I don't know about getting your heads chopped off, but about ten years ago, there were cases where HK people getting hit on the head with bricks and two by fours, some fainted and some died as a result of walking these alleys at night. All of these cases were robbery related.

Sammon
01-28-07, 13:32
pointers to have fun in shenzhen.
1. do not dress like you are going to the prom. no jewellery except cheap watch, no wallet, just couple of hundred rmb.
2. if the alleyway looks deserted do not venture in. shenzhen is 24 hour town. there are always people walking.
3. be carefull about the mamasan's. they will try to hook you up with **** girls. some legitimate, others it is a scam.
4. taking the girl to your hotel is safer than going to her apartment. although there is a rule like no guests after 11pm it is never enforced.
5. safer to go through mamasan's than picking up freelancer's.
6. learn few chinese phrases, because it makes you kind of local although you cannot converse in chinese.
7. all the people are aware of what is going on in shenzhen and they hardly notice you if you are with a chinese girl. even the reception will hardly glance at the girl.
8. chinese do not like loud mouth's and courtesy goes a long way to avoid trouble.
have fun.

Loso69
01-28-07, 15:45
Csun213,

I was only in SZ for 4 days and then headed back to CP where I spent the final 5 days of my holiday. I flew back home early December.

Weelock,

According to the long term expats/factory owners, on average 6 people a month got their heads chopped off in Hu Bei Xin Cun. As Santa said, their stories were probably grossly exaggerated. I never saw or experienced any trouble.

Loso

Doublecuff
01-28-07, 16:30
Staying at the Crowne Plaza these days, I’ve got the card distributed in front of the hotel across the street. It was an escort service called “Dreams of Paris (Mong Ba-Li)” run by “Mr. Wang”. The papasan claimed could offer you all sorts of girls – from WL, stewardess to Russian blonde to virgins. Don’t be scared by the price he asked for, bargain for that and you may get 200 RMB off.

The first local one was reasonable. However, the second one I tried one called “Yuan Yuan”, a Dong Bei (North Eastern China) girl. She was about 5-foot-4, quite slim but with very nice tits and skins, but regretfully not a very pleasing – the type of girl who wishes to finish it in three minutes with her SOP, collect the money, then leave. FYI.

Anyone happened to know any good girls in SZ? Please kindly PM me.

Loso69
01-28-07, 17:10
Prologue

The next day, I got a phone call from Meefer (from private site). I was still in bed and hurried to meet him at the Shangri-la Hotel. After a quick lunch at McDonald’s, we went looking for the pink apartments...

I had detailed directions, but forgot them in my room. We walked around for some time before we finally stumbled onto the famous pink high-rises. A mamasan took us up to a small room and presented us 2 girls, neither of which was attractive. When we showed no interest in her prodigies, we were asked to leave. :)

As we walked further, we spotted girls sitting outside the shop fronts. It was still early afternoon, but there was already a decent selection. Meefer picked his favorite and negotiated the price with the mamasan. She started off at 300 RMB, but Meefer got her down to 120 RMB.

Hong Yen

Since Meefer had negotiated a good deal, I wasted no time to get in on it. :) I grabbed myself a girl and the four of us were on our way. After we’d paid the mamasan, we retired to our adjoining rooms...

Hong Yen wouldn’t kiss me at all and wanted to put a condom on me straight away. By telling her that I’d just taken a shower (which was true), I was able to convince her to give me a BBBJ. But she didn’t exercise her lips for very long...

I sucked on her tits and ate her pussy, but Hong Yen remained dry and unresponsive. I got her to sit on my dick, but her cowgirl routine was unconvincing.

Oh, well. At least Hong Yen had a smile on her face. Meefer’s girl couldn’t even manage a simple smile.

Intermezzo

After busting a nut, Meefer and I could both do with a drink. I suggested we sit down at the restaurant across the street, so we could check out the talent while we were chatting.

As we shared a few bottles of the local brew and discussed our mongering adventures, more and more China Dolls were showing up for work. Some of them were pretty hot!

Meefer didn’t have time to sample the newly arrived talent, as he had to head back to Hong Kong, where the Wanchai bargirls were awaiting him.

Xiao Hong

After walking back to the train station with Meefer and writing down precise directions to the pink apartments in my notebook, I approached the hottie I had my eye on while sitting in the restaurant.

Since I was dealing with a different mamasan, I had to renegotiate the price. I wasn’t as successful as Meefer, finally agreeing to pay 150 RMB for this beauty.

Xiao Hong was happy to pose for some pictures, but started complaining... as soon as she saw the size of my dick. She gestured that I was too big for her and suggested a... hand job. WTF?

When I instructed her to give me a BJ, she reluctantly agreed. There was no shower in the room, and since I’d already donned a rubber, I could scarcely argue that my dick was clean, so I had to settle for a short and uninspired CBJ.

As I was ready to fuck her, she was covering her pussy with her hands, still arguing that my dick was too big. I had to pin her down to finally be able to penetrate her. And when I did... she turned out to have one of the loosest pussies I encountered in China. Clearly a high-volume girl and a total scammer.

These pictures were taken with a compact camera and the harsh direct flashlight exaggerates the girls' excessive make-up. BTW, except for the pink apartment girls, most China Dolls wear nothing but eye make-up.

Loso

Manfest
01-28-07, 22:54
I found a place in the Lowu Shopping Complex that sold Chiagra for 15 RMB. On one of three sales, they presented the version with only the hologram, but when asked, they pulled out the ones with the serial numbers without an argument. The place is near the bus station ticket counters (take the double escalators up and turn right into the first set of doors) (picture Lowu pharma storefront) (picture of serial numbers on box of Chiagra).

On the way to Hu Bei Xin Cun from Metropark hotel, I passed one convenience store that had the Okamoto 0.03 condoms for 15 RMB. Not many stores in SZN had them, but this was just a block from this cun, so very convenient. (picture of this storefront).

I was looking specifically for an oily body massage in the Hu Bei Xin Cun for 128 RMB Cappy mentioned. I previously had fun with the 35 RMB foot massages and 70 RMB 2 hour foot massage plus HJ, etc. These places are everywhere.

Separately on this trip, I also had the absolutely great clean massages at the Fuxing Lu place OAH recommended.

Fun Nite
01-28-07, 23:40
[QUOTE=Manfest]I found a place in the Lowu Shopping Complex that sold Chiagra for 15 RMB. On one of three sales, they presented the version with only the hologram, but when asked, they pulled out the ones with the serial numbers without an argument. The place is near the bus station ticket counters (take the double escalators up and turn right into the first set of doors) (picture Lowu pharma storefront) (picture of serial numbers on box of Chiagra).

Hi, The "serial number" on top of the box in your picture is a Shenzhen phone number for inquiries. :)

(755 is the Shenzhen area code.)

I am not sure what is the significance of the serial number is. However, you will seldom find "serial number" on each Chinese medicine package. The best I seen are batch number or production date in some of the well known Chinese medicine.

Be safe, have fun.

Manfest
01-29-07, 16:39
The "serial number" on top of the box in your picture is a Shenzhen phone number for inquiries. :)
(755 is the Shenzhen area code.)
I am not sure what is the significance of the serial number is. However, you will seldom find "serial number" on each Chinese medicine package. The best I seen are batch number or production date in some of the well known Chinese medicine.

Thanks for pointing that out FN. The phone number is a scratch off, and the serial number is underneath. (I'll scratch it off and post a picture of it) Previous threads have described the significance of the boxes with serial numbers and the ones with just a hologram. I believe this manufacturer is indeed a genuine producer, and they provide the serial numbers to call in to verify that box's authenticity. Presumably, there are copies of this brand. SZexpat described how a "copy" caused him some side-effects with no efficacy. Thanks to him, I stuck to the boxes with only serial numbers and have had a good experience with them.

FN, this is a continuation of a previous thread describing these boxes, differences between real and possible fakes, and how to obtain them.

Loso69
01-29-07, 20:39
Prelude

After making my way back to the hotel from the Pink Apartments, I met up with Santa and we went hunting for fresh meat in Hu Bei Xin Cun. Santa ended up meeting a girl to his liking and took her home.

As I continued prowling the alleys, I ran into one of Csun213’s friends, who I’ll refer to as K. He was outside the BBS with the best looking girls in Hu Bei Xin Cun, trying to negotiate a LT deal. But the girl would only go ST, so he passed. BTW, none of the girls from that shop would agree to go with me.

After striking out in Hu Bei Xin Cun, we walked over to the Seibu BBS, where the talent level was much higher.

A Xiang

A Xiang was all alone in her shop (no mamasan) and agreed to 150 RMB ST. But she wanted more money to come to my hotel (200 RMB). A Xiang had a twinkle in her eye and I figured she’d be worth it...

K was happy that I’d found a girl, and also a tiny bit jealous. If he ever reads this, he’ll really be kicking himself for not grabbing this girl. :) Anyway, my thanks to K for showing me the way to Seibu.

A Xiang had a magnificent pair of hooters, which she loved to stuff in my face. She adored having her pussy eaten, as she was fucking my mouth at a frenzied pace.

When she mounted my dick, A Xiang went totally berserk as she was pumping and grinding with a seldom-seen passion. As I grabbed her amazingly hard ass and started rocking her back and forth, her eyes rolled back as she was biting her lips. When I took a breather, she slid off me and had a big grin on her face while watching herself fuck as she slowly slid my dick all the way in and out of her hungry pussy.

Words fail to describe how horny this chick was. I could have shot my load after just a few minutes, but somehow managed to postpone my orgasm for an eternity to prolong this most amazing sexual experience and to give A Xiang the pleasure she was so obviously pursuing.

A Xiang’s intensity reminded me of the inimitable Traci Lords. The girl is definitely porn star material!

Naturally, I wanted A Xiang to spend the night after her most amazing performance. I was devastated when she wouldn’t...

A Lin

Once I’d discovered the quality available at Seibu, it became my favorite place to shop for pussy. The next day, I was back at Seibu early evening.

A Lin was the only girl in her shop, but she was a real cutie. Her mamasan wasn’t greedy either, as she only wanted 150 RMB for out-call to my hotel. Deal!

A Lin was playful and fun to be with, but still wasn’t the best performer. She wouldn’t kiss me (except after sex, strangely enough). She wouldn’t let me suck on her ticklish, perky B-cup tits. She wouldn’t let me eat her salacious pussy. She wouldn’t suck my dick either.

But A Lin was a pretty good fuck, as she rode my dick like a trooper and seemed to enjoy it when I drilled her tight twat long & hard.

Loso

Reader123
01-30-07, 00:39
I read about these herbal pills as a hoax. They are just laced with viagara.


Found it.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/246553/1/.html


I found a place in the Lowu Shopping Complex that sold Chiagra for 15 RMB. On one of three sales, they presented the version with only the hologram, but when asked, they pulled out the ones with the serial numbers without an argument. The place is near the bus station ticket counters (take the double escalators up and turn right into the first set of doors) (picture Lowu pharma storefront) (picture of serial numbers on box of Chiagra).

Sukhumvitter
01-30-07, 04:27
Hello all,

Could someone please pvt message me with the locations of the good sites in Shenzhen (Seibu and Hu Bei Xin Cun and the pink apts)?

I would love to hook up with members who are in town, but as I'm working days I only have the weekends (and some evenings) available. I am in the Futian area.

I went to a couple of BBS places near my hotel with the blue and red lights and girls sitting around inside. They quoted me 350 RMB so I assumed this was for full service, but I thought wrong. When I indicated I wanted sex (body language and the universal hand sign (index finger going in and out of the OK sign on the other hand)) I was told no.

Any tips for SZ will be greatly appreciated. I am going to try to get up to CP soon.

Old Mean Dog
01-30-07, 06:14
[QUOTE=Manfest]I found a place in the Lowu Shopping Complex that sold Chiagra for 15 RMB. On one of three sales, they presented the version with only the hologram, but when asked, they pulled out the ones with the serial numbers without an argument. The place is near the bus station ticket counters (take the double escalators up and turn right into the first set of doors) (picture Lowu pharma storefront) (picture of serial numbers on box of Chiagra).

Hi, The "serial number" on top of the box in your picture is a Shenzhen phone number for inquiries. :)

(755 is the Shenzhen area code.)

I am not sure what is the significance of the serial number is. However, you will seldom find "serial number" on each Chinese medicine package. The best I seen are batch number or production date in some of the well known Chinese medicine.

Be safe, have fun.Actually,

If you read the package insert it specifically states that due to counterfeits, there is a serial number on top of the box (was either a 17-20 digit number and it probably is a batch number, don't remember now) that you can scratch off and call the phone listed on the package insert. I have seen what your talking about with the phone number on top of the box with hologram and I felt these were the fakes. I kept some of the different boxes and will try to post some picks if I remember. Personally, I am a bit hesitant about buying anything from around the train station, as everything seems to be counterfeit.

Who really knows? Maybe someone on the board who speaks fluent putonghua can call the company to get exact details? I did my own little research and found some that worked good for me and others that were garbage or had too many side-effects.

Santa gave me a half tab of generic viagra he had ordered from India and to be honest, I liked it much better than of the herbals I have taken here due to no side effects whatsoever and a tool I could cut glass with.

-SZE

TangZhen
01-30-07, 09:48
Loso69: Nice posts and really nice picks. The majority of picks are done with a mobile and look like it. Your picks are really well done and looks like you are using proper equipment. Even the lighting is well done.

For those of you who are language impaired, as I am somewhat also, I would like to alert you to a really cool java program that can run on any java phone called Dictionary for MIDs. It is not the greatest dictionary and it has a few bugs, but hey it is FREE! and runs on my motorola and can be downloaded at
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/dictionarymid/DictionaryForMIDs_2.7.0_EngChi_CEDICT.zip?download
SMSing with that new hottie, I can copy her chinese text and put it through the phone and get a passable translation. A bit slow but could open up a lot of opportunities. In fact it is possible to have a custom dictionary, but it would be quite a bit of work. It does not translate sentances so I have to do it word by word, but what I do is copy all the text and just delete all but one word so I dont have to go back and forth. I would think it much better than the hand sign method. Note that I have had a hard time downloading from sorceforge for some reason. If you are interested and can not get it, let me know as I can send a copy. It is freeware.

Sukhumvitter
01-30-07, 14:48
TangZhen,

Great tip about the cell phone translator. Is there a better one even if I have to pay abit? I'm at a loss here in SZ without any putongqua.

Thanks to Santa and OAH for the phone call today about some of the locations in SZ. That info will really help!

Loso, I look forward to your name card scans for some of the fun locations.

Wirepro
01-30-07, 19:31
Rain tiny

I found rain tiny's e-mail address online wile searching escorts in Shenzhen. E-mailed back in forth 4 times and had a deal. 1100 RMB all night, actually turned out to be 6 hours or so in room. She showed up about 30 min late, but was a very nice looking 19-22 year old with a small hairy bush and a handfull of perky nipples to play with. She got undressed, bathed and started HJ before asking for a ring sock. She was asking me for the condom. I had requested her to bring her some, but she did not. I Thoght she was gogint o bolt witht he money as she jumped up and got dressed. She then lead by by the hand to the loby gift store and pointed to a box of durex feather light. After purchasing the jimmys she lead me back to the room and repeated the bath and HJ. Then CBJ till hard and poped on top of me cow girl and started to ride like a bull. We did several veriations of this till I shot #1. She bated again and motioned for me to shower. As I got out of the shower she was fingering herself in the tub giving me a shot. I wanted ot join her, but thought the tub as too smal so we moved to the bes dried off and I played with her clit till se exploded in a gush wetting the sheets. She then repeated HJ cbj and this time pulled her legs back for me to mount. I rode her till #2 She then layed there and took a nap. She kept pushing me away and I was bout to kick her out when started yelling one more time. It was a little wild, but cool. Se graben my limp cock and repeated a HJ, cbj and then had me mount her again. While her legs were in the air she grabed my sack and played till I shot # 3. She repeated the bath and then started eating all of the complementary fruit in my room. She did at least play with the bananna for a little bit before letting me have #4.

Over all rating:

Looks 8.5, very skinny,
Feel 8 , hard a very hard pubic bone that was actually a little painfull when she was doign cow girl.
Comunication 1 She only spoke about 10 words of engilish, but she did some realy cool hand signals.

Loso69
01-30-07, 20:15
Prelude

After my ST with A Lin, I headed back to what had become my favorite hunting ground. On an extremely busy Saturday night, Seibu was crawling with Chinese punters. All the better looking girls either turned me down or asked for a ridiculous amount of money (300 RMB) for out-call to my hotel.

In the end, I got talking to a HK Chinese who’d already had his fun and was sitting around having a few beers. He showed me some candid videos of his sexual exploits, explained how he obtained them and... how he made sure his wife wouldn’t catch him. :)

He also told me that Shenzhen’s biggest BBS area (Sha Zui) had been closed down for a few days already, which explained the big rush. Even at Seibu, police orders prevented the shops from switching the pink neon lights on before 1AM.

Xiao Huay

Around 5AM, when the crowds had subsided, I finally found a hottie willing to accompany this laowai to his hotel (for 200 RMB).

When Xiao Huay took her clothes off, she looked downright amazing. She had the tiniest of bodies, a huge rack and a gorgeous face. The perfect combination! But she seemed scared to death of this white ghost and was literally shaking like a leaf.

I tried to both slow her down and calm her down, but since I couldn’t communicate with her, that wasn’t an easy task. Still, by being really gentle with her, I finally got her to relax a little...

Xiao Huay wouldn’t allow me to kiss her, but didn’t object when my lips roamed all over her magnificent pair of tits. My tongue also managed to caress her tiny clit for a short while.

Her BBBJ was simply great – deep and plenty of suction. But Xiao Huay deprived me of the magnificent view of her superb body by refusing to sit on my dick. I had to do all the work, but drilling her tiny pussy, as I was gazing at her gorgeous face and incredible rack, was still a great experience... for me. :)

Fei Fei

The next day, I was back at Seibu late afternoon. Fei Fei was another cutie with an absolutely tiny body. To my surprise, she was giving this laowai her sweetest smile. To my astonishment, she spoke some English! Clearly a laowai-lover! And she was willing to come to my hotel for the regular price (150 RMB). Let’s go, honey!

Fei Fei was an absolute doll, who showered me with the sweetest of kisses. She doesn’t like giving head (makes her puke), but still gave me a BBBJ. Feeling my dick slip in and out of her tiny pussy, as we were passionately French kissing, was sheer ecstasy. A truly wonderful girl!

Loso

Tony Soprano 1
01-30-07, 23:28
Loso69,
Great posts, good info.Excellent pics. You definitely get your share of the hotties. I stand in awe.
I only have three words to say: More! More! More!

Do you ever make it over to Shanghai??

Cheers to All,
Tony

TangZhen
01-31-07, 03:48
Great tip about the cell phone translator. Is there a better one even if I have to pay abit? It depends on the phone type and such. I can not speak for different ones very much as I have not tried them. I agree if it is better it would be worth the money, but the one I mentionded is a good start in my opinion. I am pretty good in Chinese having been here most of the time since 1990, but still there are words I dont know, and the dictionary covers most of them. I think if you have a 'smart phone' you might have more options. Just google "chinese dictionary handphone" plus whatever system your phone supports. Motos tend to support Java. A lot of other appliations can be downloaded at www.getjar.com or www.clickapps.com

MegaPoint
01-31-07, 07:06
Had a weekend in Shekou, I am all for this place. It's Shenzhen depopulated and turned into a seaside town, and has a laid-back feeling that you'd have to go to Hainan to find.

Reports of big trouble in Shenzhen proper made me a bit worried about what I'd find, but the bar scene and the BBS scene here seems completely unaffected by crackdowns elsewhere during the past two months. There are many more girls than mongers, I'd say 6 to 1 in any given bar. And remember, some of the mongers are pretty deteriorated types (one guy staggered into the bar where I was being bar-massaged by three cuties, with his own bottle of Famous Grouse, which he proceed to open and swig ... talk about a cheapskate!) So if you are half-way presentable, not obviously chemically addicted, and if you buy ladies drinks for the girls (40 kuai), from my recent experience a pre-midnight barfine should be 100-200 kuai to the bar, and 400 for the girl all night. Of course this takes some negociating.

No problem with hotel, etc., it's clear that the 'no guest after 11' rule really isn't enforced anywhere unless you or the girl manage to make compete assholes of yourselves. Took her to the buffet breakfast at the hotel I was at in the morning, no problem at all (and why do they give a single guy breakfast coupons for 2 people, huh? huh?) except perhaps for the fact that the Chinese families staying there certainly DO know what the deal is when they see a 40-something laowai with a 20-y.o. doll...the husbands are jealous and embarassed, and the wives are in a quiet fury. Too funny!

I liked the girl I found so much, I'm going back for a second helping (hopefully) this weekend.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Bill Lee
01-31-07, 08:31
Megapoint.

They are not stupid. They DO know what the deal is. They just see a old laowai with a hooker, looking down on both of you.

Bill


Took her to the buffet breakfast at the hotel I was at in the morning, no problem at all (and why do they give a single guy breakfast coupons for 2 people, huh? huh?) except perhaps for the fact that the Chinese families staying there certainly DO know what the deal is when they see a 40-something laowai with a 20-y.o. doll...the husbands are jealous and embarassed, and the wives are in a quiet fury. Too funny!

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Ace Gallant
01-31-07, 09:11
Megapoint.

They are not stupid. They DO know what the deal is. They just see a old laowai with a hooker, looking down on both of you.

Bill

That's the problem with a lot of foreigners that had just arrived in China. Although China is a more backward country and there are high numbers of poorer people; it doesn't means they are stupid.

I agree with Bill that they know. Remember; a lot of them have seen it on TV.

AG

MegaPoint
01-31-07, 14:56
That's the problem with a lot of foreigners that had just arrived in China. Although China is a more backwards country and there are high numbers of poorer people; it doesn't means they are stupid.

I agree with Bill that they know. Remember; a lot of them have seen it on TV.

AGI might mention that I have been in China since 1989, and am hardly a newbie to any of this. When I first went to Shenzhen there were still traditional farmhouses in town, and the main agricultural engine between SZ and Guangzhou was the water buffalo. Lichi Park had no grass, and no water in the lakes, either, the first time I walked through it. It looked like a lunar landscape.

Also, I never suggested than anyone was "stupid". That is the word Mr. Bill Lee introduced into this thread. What on earth has provoked this reaction to what I thought was a humorous bit of Wednesday-morning debriefing? Good grief, Charlie Brown!

Bill Lee
01-31-07, 16:02
A decent laowai with a good looking Chinese wife and their family.

That's what would make anybody jealous. Not an old guy with a hooker that anyone can obviously see is the situation at hand. Anybody can get a good looking hooker, anywhere in this world. It's about the RMBs, dollars, pesos, etc....

The looks that you get at the restaurant are the ones that make people think why are you bringing your trash into a family setting.

Bill

Ace Gallant
01-31-07, 17:31
The looks that you get at the restaurant are the ones that make people think why are you bringing your trash into a family setting.

Bill

So... I don't get it??? Who is the trash? The Laowai monger or the Hooker?

hahahahaha.....

AG

Bill Lee
01-31-07, 19:47
I didn't think that my statement had a double meaning. I guess it depends what each of them look or dress like.

BTW, this doesn't just apply to Laowai mongers, just any old fart and a young hooker.

Bill


So... I don't get it??? Who is the trash? The Laowai monger or the Hooker?

hahahahaha.....

AG

Loso69
01-31-07, 20:50
Prelude

Before I hooked up with Fei Fei in Seibu, I’d been rudely awakened by SZExpat after just 6 hours of sleep. :) We had lunch together with Santa, and were later joined by Yankee617.

Over lunch, SZExpat told me about the streetwalker scene on Dongmen S Rd, just past the Panglin Hotel. The area features English-speaking girls for 250 RMB ST (after negotiating). I was taking notes...

After lunch, Santa, Yankee617 and I went for a stroll, which eventually led us to... Seibu. As Santa and Yankee617 went for a coffee at McDonald’s, I went on the prowl and hooked up with Fei Fei...

After a great ST, I decided to check out the area recommended by SZExpat. On my first walk along the circuit, I was approached by a number of mamasans and pimps, but never found out what they had to offer.

As I returned to the area outside the Sunshine Hotel, I was finally approached by a streetwalker. She was older, but very well preserved, with a huge pair of tits. As she was giving me her sales pitch, a real cutie was walking in the opposite direction. When I smiled at her, she approached me as well, but was rudely told to get lost by her older colleague. :) When I managed to shake off the older girl, my cutie pie caught up with me...

Fang Fang

Fang Fang spoke English, had a killer smile and seemed to be very well endowed. When I showed her the card to my hotel, she asked for 300 RMB. I offered her 200 RMB and expected her to counter with 250 RMB, fulfilling SZExpat’s prophecy. But she simply accepted my offer...

Fang Fang seemed terrified of the police and insisted on dragging a cabinet in front of the door to make sure no one could enter my room unannounced. Once she felt secure and took her clothes off, Fang Fang looked amazing. Her BJ lips and colossal tits were a magic combination.

She spent a long time licking up and down the shaft of my dick and finally let her tongue go wild on the head of my dick. Her technique was excellent and her miraculous tongue action felt amazing.

She got really wet as I ate her pussy and I had the most wonderful view as she was riding me. It was also a real delight to have a China Doll talk to me in English as we were fucking: “You sex very good!” :)

Epilogue

After my ST with Fang Fang, I met up with Santa and Yankee617, who were having a quiet drink. Santa was catching the train to Shanghai the next morning, and retired early. I went back on the prowl...

At Hu Bei Xin Cun, the only girls I was interested in... were the ones that had previously turned me down.

The quality at Seibu was a lot higher, but few of the beauty queens showed any interest in this laowai. One girl with an amazing figure and a great ass did agree to go with me... and then changed her mind.

And then there were the beauties from the 2nd alley. The first two shops in this alley feature some of the hottest girls in Seibu, but they also happen to have... fucking pimps instead of mamasans. :mad: Those little pricks were constantly speculating about the size of my dick and interfering when I tried to negotiate directly with the girls. If it weren’t for these assholes, I could have spent quite a bit of money in those shops. The girls weren’t being difficult, but those pieces of dog excrement resented laowais and prevented me from ever reaching a deal with the girls. I showed them my little pinky, made it clear to them that it referred to the size of their puny dicks and walked off laughing my ass off. :)

On my way home, I was approached by a streetwalker. Like the girl I’d previously talked to, she was older, but attractive with a big rack. She asked for 500 RMB and seemed insulted when I offered her 200 RMB...

Decision Time

I’d only been in Shenzhen for 4 days, but already felt as if I’d run out of girls to fuck...

I’d originally planned to visit the Philippines after my Southern China tour, but spent more time in China than I thought I would and only had 5 days left. Since I’d have to make sure I didn’t miss my flight home, I would only be able to spend 4 days in the Philippines. I figured it wasn’t worth flying all that way for just a few days.

I finally decided to go back to the place where I had the happiest memories... Changping!

Loso

MegaPoint
02-01-07, 00:35
I didn't think that my statement had a double meaning. I guess it depends what each of them look or dress like.

BTW, this doesn't just apply to Laowai mongers, just any old fart and a young hooker.

BillFor the record, my sweetie sat there quietly at breakfast and drank 3 glasses of milk (only). She was wearing jeans, a colorful top but with a jacket over it, and no make up. She did not create a scene, or try get under the table and blow me, or any nonsense like that. The fact that she has a body that would make a dead man come is entirely beside the point. I paid for the hotel, and we were entitled to our breakfast along with so-called respectable "family" people.

Fast Eddie 48
02-01-07, 08:18
Spend my last night in Shenzhen it is been 2weeks here in china , stay at the
vienna hotel in futain went for a walk around walmart there is still a few shop
open on fu xiang rd last shop on the end of the st with pink light have 7 girl and most are 6-8 to my surprise I pick one from yang zhou xiling only been in
town for 3days 150 rmb short time back to my hotel .

I normally never take girl from this area I miss sha tsui alot , this is the best girl I have ever seen in this area and most sauna offer p4p bai hua zhou just around the corner from walmart have the best girl and room vip room 98 rmb
2hr and 300 rmb for service pick wa wa #129 good gfe offer 2 shots and I also drop by sha tsui only see 3 shop open with a few girl ,there is still many place in shenzhen with actions just need some exploring or just go to CP.


fast eddie 48

Weelock
02-01-07, 08:41
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I normally never take girl from this area I miss sha tsui alot , this is the best girl I have ever seen in this area and most sauna offer p4p bai hua zhou just around the corner from walmart have the best girl and room vip room 98 rmb
2hr and 300 rmb for service pick wa wa #129 good gfe offer 2 shots and I also drop by sha tsui only see 3 shop open with a few girl ,there is still many place in shenzhen with actions just need some exploring or just go to CP.

fast eddie 48

Hello Eddie,

Can you be more specific ( more info ) on the saunas around the area around Walmart in Futian that are P4P. Is "bai hua zhou" the name of the sauna? Telephones or buz cards are nice.

Yes, there are lots of saunas in this area. I have have been to one sauna in the Futian Walmart area with another monger but it was legit. On this block, there were three legit saunas. Therefore, finding P4P might be a problem. Any info would be nice for P4P.


Thanks...


Weelock

Apeman 28
02-01-07, 09:45
Hi all,

I will be arriving in Shenzen next month on the boat from Macua. Can someone recommend a Girl Freindly hotel close to the action.

Krum Lov
02-01-07, 12:25
just a follow up question. will hit that BBS again next week. if i'm to choose the massage but not the shampoo HJ, but want the oil HJ for total of 35RMB, what would be the easiest way to do so? just say no when they bring in the warm water and bucket/shampoo? also, have you visited any other BBSs in that street? looks like some down along that rd, but not sure if they are futian-style or not. thnx muchly.

Old Mean Dog
02-01-07, 17:48
After having dinner with my wingman Mr. J and Sukhumvitter, I introduced the fellas to a couple of my female friends and we sat at Starbucks and had coffee. After we all said goodbye, Mr. J could tell I was in need of a shot so he sent over Ms. Lin. I have seen Ms. Lin before and was quite interested in introducing my xiao didi to her so I jumped on the chance to bang her.

Looks: 7 her grill needs some work
Body: 7 skinny ass, huge breasts
Skills: 5 She is a pro, but she kept bitching I was to big (complete bullshit) so I really lost the mood. Far to mechanical for me, brings her own bottle of vagina lube and durex condoms.
English: 5 (she actually speaks decent English)
Cost: 250 rmb she charges 200 rmb if you live close to the Panglin Hotel, but tacks on 50 rmb for taxi fee's and distance.

Sorry for the crap photo, it was taken with my backup mobile phone.

Ms. Lin's Mobile: 13751123616

Personally, I am so spoiled on CP, I will be hard pressed to find anything that good here.

Loso69
02-01-07, 20:24
Getting There

I was coming from Changping, which is just half an hour away by express train:

- The van from the Miraton Hotel to the train station was 15 RMB.
- The train station’s first entrance has trains to Guangzhou and Hong Kong.
- The second entrance features trains to Shenzhen.
- The train ticket costs 35 RMB.

Arriving at the train station in Shenzhen:

- I took the East Exit and followed the signs to the LuoHu Shopping Mall & Shangri-la Hotel, which are next to the train station.
- A metered taxi to the Golden Luohu Hotel cost 15 RMB.

Hotel

Golden Luohu Hotel

Business Card

The hotel business card has been attached.

Map

The Golden Luohu Hotel is on the corner of Leyuan Rd & Hu Bei Rd.

Unfortunately, the map on the back of their business card is only in Chinese (also attached).

Checking In

Santa joined me in the hotel lobby as soon as I arrived. It’s a good thing Santa speaks some Chinese, as no one at reception spoke any English.

I stayed in an Executive Room, which featured a separate living room. The rack rate is 265 RMB, but Santa got me the discounted rate of 240 RMB. The regular rooms can be had for 200 RMB (discounted rate).

Room

The room looked great and was very comfortable, but lacked:
- In-room safe
- Internet connection

Still, considering the price, the Golden Luohu would be a good deal, if it wasn’t for... the problems with the hot water:

- When there was hot water, it took a lot of fidgeting to get the water temperature right. Unless you’re spot on, the water will either be freezing cold or scolding hot.
- When I came home early in the morning with Xiao Huay, there was no hot water at all.
- When I woke up early afternoon the next day, there was just a trickle of hot water.

Checking Out

When I checked out, they insisted on charging me 22 RMB for stuff from the minibar that I hadn’t touched. It wasn’t much, but it was still a rip-off.

Recommendation

The best area to stay in Shenzhen is as close as possible to... your favorite BBS.

If your hotel is within easy walking distance of the BBS:

- The girls will be more willing to come to your room.
- You’re less likely to be charged extra for out-call.
- You won’t need to fork out for a taxi.

Taxis

The flag down fare is 12.50 RMB in the daytime and 16.10 RMB at night and will cover most rides within the Luohu area.

Laundry

When I needed to do my laundry, Santa walked me to a laundry shop on the way to Hu Bei Xin Cun. They washed and dried my entire wardrobe for just 50 RMB, which was considerably cheaper than what I paid in Changping (86 RMB) and way cheaper than Zhuhai (152 RMB).

Loso

Loso69
02-01-07, 21:06
disclaimer

this report was written by, and from the perspective of a middle-aged white guy who doesn’t speak a word of chinese. if you’re ethnic chinese, black..., you may have completely different experiences. my report is probably only relevant for fellow laowais.

timing

i was in shenzhen:

november 23 - november 26 (4 nights)

statistics

during my 4-day stay in shenzhen, i had:

st: 9
lt: 0
girls: 9

hu bei xin cun bbs

directions

the golden luohu hotel, where i stayed, is just a short walk from the hu bei xin cun bbs area, and the directions use this hotel as a starting point. the hotel business card & map (in chinese only) were posted in the general thread.

- as you walk out of the hotel, you will be standing on the corner of leyuan rd & hu bei rd.
- turn right and walk along leyuan rd until you see a big ornamental gate marking the entrance to the hu bei new village (on your right).
- walk under the gate and go straight ahead until you hit a t-junction, which is at the center of the hu bei xin cun bbs area.
- if you turn right from there, explore the alleys on the left hand side of the street.
- turning left, there are alleys on the right and, further on, on both sides of the street.

anywhere you see pink neon lights, there are girls to be found.

you may also be invited in by the girls in the shops on the main street. beware, those are hj places!

the english name of hu bei xin cun is concubine village.

observations

the bbs area is pretty spread out. there are many places rep001tered along the various alleys, but they generally harbor less than a handful of girls.

i found the quality at hu bei xin cun to be pretty low. on top of that, none of the more attractive specimens were willing to fuck a laowai.

both girls i fucked quickly agreed to the standard rate of 150 rmb st and didn’t try to charge me extra for coming to my nearby hotel.

rooms are available to fuck the girls on-site. i never checked them out and would not at all recommend playing away from home.

there are few girls available early evening. the area only hits warp speed around 10-11pm, but is supposed to keep going until around 10am.

seibu bbs

directions

the starting point for the directions to the seibu bbs area is the panglin hotel. their business card & map have been attached.

- the panglin hotel is situated on the corner of dongmen rd (s) and jiabin rd.
- as you stand outside the panglin hotel, you’ll see the seibu department store on the other side of the street.
- cross the street, and walk past seibu along jiabin rd.
- the second alley on your left has gates, preventing cars from entering.
- walk through the gates and explore the alleys on your right.

once again, the sign of pink neon lights should attract you like a moth to a flame.

seibu is pronounced like cebu.

observations

the seibu bbs area is a lot more compact than the hu bei xin cun area. in some alleys, you’ll discover one bbs after another. the seibu bbs are better stocked than the hu bei xin cun bbs as well, with quite a number of shops featuring 10 girls or more.

the quality at seibu is way higher than at hu bei xin cun. once again, most of the beauties would have nothing to do with a laowai, but i still managed to score a few hotties.

my hotel wasn’t that far away – walking distance for me, but not for a girl wearing high heels. :) some girls agreed to come to my hotel for the standard fee of 150 rmb. others insisted on 200 rmb for out-call. some simply refused to come to my hotel, and would only service me on-site. it may have been a different story if my hotel had been nearer the action.

st rooms are available. once again, away games will most often be losing games. don’t do it!

forget about the shops in the 2nd alley featuring the male pimps. those pieces of shit with their puny peckers resent laowais and will insist on quoting you ridiculous prices. avoid the little pricks!

late afternoon, the seibu bbs is already well-stocked. more girls show up for work later at night and you can get your kicks all night long.

pink apartments

directions

the directions to the pink apartments start from the shangri-la hotel. i failed to get their business card, but the hotel is right next to the train station.

- walk straight through the shangri-la hotel and exit through the back entrance.
- you’ll find yourself on renmin s rd.
- turn left and keep walking until you see the bank of china building on your left.
- cross the street at the pedestrian crossing in front of the bank of china.
- go straight ahead and enter the street opposite the pedestrian crossing.
- this is a dead-end street. by turning right just before you arrive at the end, you’ll reach the promised land.

observations

mamasans in the area will invite you into the apartment buildings and show you their selection. the only mamasan i followed up (with meefer) only showed us 2 girls. we weren’t impressed.

there are also plenty of girls sitting outside the shop fronts. i saw a decent selection early afternoon and a good selection early evening.

the pink apartment girls will not come to your hotel, which is sufficient reason for me to give the place a miss in future.

prices are a little cheaper than at the bbs (100-150 rmb).

i got bad to horrible service at the pink apartments. i made the mistake of playing away and paid the price!

other bbs

jusco bbs

according to santa, the quality at jusco was deplorable at the time of my visit and i read that this area has been completely closed down since.

sha zui bbs

sha zui is the biggest bbs area in shenzhen and features the largest collection of girls.

it was closed down during my entire stay. but even if it had been open, i probably wouldn’t have ventured out there:

- shenzhen is not exactly a laowai-friendly city. and sha zui has the reputation of being the least laowai-friendly place in town.
- sha zui is in the futian district, a helluva long way away from the luohu area.
- the girls in sha zui will not come to your hotel, unless it’s in the area.

streetwalkers

jiabin rd

the stretch between the seibu department store and the seibu bbs (along jiabin rd) is littered with girls at night. the mamasans will aggressively approach you, offering you “miss beautiful. ok?”

these girls are supposed to be fresh farm girls and office girls looking to make extra money. but in terms of beauty, they could not at all compete with the girls from the nearby seibu bbs. i wasn’t impressed...

prices are supposed to be higher than at the bbs (200-300 rmb).

dongmen s rd

streetwalkers can be found on dongmen s rd, past the panglin hotel, mainly in the vicinity of the sunshine hotel and the furong hotel. going straight ahead and turning right into chunfeng rd may also lead to close encounters of the sexual kind.

apart from the cutie i took home, the streetwalkers were definitely more mature than the bbs girls, but still attractive. the big advantage is that many of them speak some english. prices are in the 200-300 rmb range.

escorts

i picked up a flyer from an escort agency in shenzhen (i think). i’m sure nobody would speak english if you were to dial the number, and i’d be surprised if these girls actually worked for the agency, but it allows me to include some pretty pictures in this post. :)

thanks

i was lucky enough to hook up with a few fellow laowai mongers in shenzhen. my thanks to santa for negotiating a favorable hotel rate, for recommending chinese soups and for showing me the way to hu bei xin cun. thanks to szexpat for the pointers on the dongmen rd streetwalker scene. may you both live long and... monger. :)

final words

shenzhen has the cheapest prices in southern china and you stand a chance of finding english-speaking girls. but i found the p4p scene in shenzhen to be extremely laowai-unfriendly, as girls turned me down with alarming frequency.

if you’re in shenzhen on business, the p4p scene is worth exploring. otherwise, i suggest you get off the train in... changping.

loso

Csun213
02-02-07, 00:22
just a follow up question. will hit that BBS again next week. if i'm to choose the massage but not the shampoo HJ, but want the oil HJ for total of 35RMB, what would be the easiest way to do so? just say no when they bring in the warm water and bucket/shampoo? also, have you visited any other BBSs in that street? looks like some down along that rd, but not sure if they are futian-style or not. thnx muchly.

They will normally ask you before the soapie HJ or just say no when they bring in the warm water. The massage will include the HJ for 35rmb.

No I did not try any other shop for massage because the soapie HJ is the only reason why I go there. You will find that not all Futian massage have the soapie HJ even though they say they all do but just not at their shop (which is Futian massage).

Bnlee2
02-02-07, 01:58
Disclaimer

This report was written by, and from the perspective of a middle-aged white guy who doesn’t speak a word of Chinese. If you’re ethnic Chinese, black..., you may have completely different experiences. My report is probably only relevant for fellow laowais.


Sha Zui is the biggest BBS area in Shenzhen and features the largest collection of girls.

It was closed down during my entire stay. But even if it had been open, I probably wouldn’t have ventured out there:

- Shenzhen is not exactly a laowai-friendly city. And Sha Zui has the reputation of being the least laowai-friendly place in town.
- Sha Zui is in the Futian district, a helluva long way away from the Luohu area.
- The girls in Sha Zui will not come to your hotel, unless it’s in the area.

Streetwalkers


If you’re in Shenzhen on business, the P4P scene is worth exploring. Otherwise, I suggest you get off the train in... Changping.

Loso

LOSO

Sha Tsui is the past. A friend of mine owned a ktv in the village and told me that the village will never be what it was before. Sha Tsui was a great meat market. i use to love just to go there and watch the girls.

I have never had problems taking the girls in sha tsui back to my hotel. I usually stay at the Century Plaza in Low wu. I just need t take them back to the hotel before 11PM, if after that i usually take them back via the back entrance way. You are right most of the sha tsui gals don't venture out that much, but if you tell them in advance, I have never had a girl refuse me yet. I usually give them 500rmb for overnight plus 20rmb for the taxi fare back.

Old Mean Dog
02-02-07, 02:58
Sha Zui BBS
Sha Zui is the biggest BBS area in Shenzhen and features the largest collection of girls.

It was closed down during my entire stay. But even if it had been open, I probably wouldn’t have ventured out there:

- Shenzhen is not exactly a laowai-friendly city. And Sha Zui has the reputation of being the least laowai-friendly place in town.
- Sha Zui is in the Futian district, a helluva long way away from the Luohu area.
- The girls in Sha Zui will not come to your hotel, unless it’s in the area.

Loso,

I would like to point out one thing about this report, your a tad wrong about Sha Zui. As a big, white, laowai who lives here in SZ (You have seen me) I never had any problems in Heaven's Gate, probably some of the best girls I have paid for have come from this area. Granted, most all of them will not travel far, but this area is not like the little shitty pink apartments or the stables by JUSCO and is (was) far better.

Otherwise, excellent reports and fantastic photos! Will look forward to your reports no matter what part of the world you decide to monger in.

Stay Safe,
SZE

Superforce99
02-02-07, 03:19
...
Forget about the shops in the 2nd alley featuring the male pimps. Those pieces of shit with their puny peckers resent laowais and will insist on quoting you ridiculous prices. Avoid the little pricks!

Loso

Good reports Loso, and it's too bad you didn't get all the gals you wanted in SZ, but you're in China, with Chinese girls, who speak Chinese, and are accustomed to Chinese customers, ha ha...don't get frustrated because China isn't Thailand yet (and that's a good thing).

And regarding the quote above...what happens if you're mongering in Africa and the pimps there also resent you? With their supposedly large penises, what are you going to insult?


J

OldAsiaHand
02-02-07, 07:25
Szexpat,

I agree that the best quality girls in SZ were available in Sha Tsui. However, as you know, I am also a big, white, laowai and found many of the girls to be not so foreigner friendly. I estimate it was between 20-30% of the total depending on the night. They would shy away in the alleys and leave immediately when they arrived for a line-up and saw us there. Having said that, it still left 80% to choose from.

Just my POV.

OAH





Loso,

I would like to point out one thing about this report, your a tad wrong about Sha Zui. As a big, white, laowai who lives here in SZ (You have seen me) I never had any problems in Heaven's Gate, probably some of the best girls I have paid for have come from this area. Granted, most all of them will not travel far, but this area is not like the little shitty pink apartments or the stables by JUSCO and is (was) far better.

Otherwise, excellent reports and fantastic photos! Will look forward to your reports no matter what part of the world you decide to monger in.

Stay Safe,
SZE

Loso69
02-02-07, 21:16
Bnlee,

Wherever you get them from, the girls must come to your hotel for LT. But the service level in Shenzhen wasn’t high enough to take girls LT straight away. I’d take the girls ST and ask them to stay LT if it was the right time of day and their performance warranted it.

The first night I was tired, the 2nd night A Xiang didn’t want to spend the night, the 3rd night Xiao Huay was terrified of me and Fang Fang wouldn’t spend my final night with me either. It didn’t work out...

BTW, you can take girls to your room any time at the Golden Luohu Hotel – through the front entrance.

Szexpat & OAH,

I have no 1st hand experience at Sha Tsui, so my comments are based on what I read and heard about the place. I stand corrected...

Johnnykon,

I expected the whole of China to be like Shenzhen, where about 80% of the girls I wanted (the beauties) turned me down. Zhuhai was way better (30-40% refusals) and Changping was paradise (10% rejections).

As a white guy, I may not have to deal with racism in Pattaya, but the ageism makes it even worse than Shenzhen. Thailand is full of young studs and only 3rd rate girls would agree to go with an oldie like me. My conclusion after my last visit to Pattaya read: “I’ll leave kindergarten to the kiddies”.

This is an extract from my report on Havana: “I consider pimps to be the lowest life form on earth. I rate them just below cockroaches and avoid them like the plague.” The Chinese pimps were speculating about the size of my dick. I reciprocated. Whenever and wherever I run into pimps, I will insult the crap out of them, both in person and in my reports. Death to all pimps!

Loso

Bnlee2
02-02-07, 21:49
Bnlee,

Wherever you get them from, the girls must come to your hotel for LT. But the service level in Shenzhen wasn’t high enough to take girls LT straight away. I’d take the girls ST and ask them to stay LT if it was the right time of day and their performance warranted it.

As a white guy, I may not have to deal with racism in Pattaya, but the ageism makes it even worse than Shenzhen. Thailand is full of young studs and only 3rd rate girls would agree to go with an oldie like me. My conclusion after my last visit to Pattaya read: “I’ll leave kindergarten to the kiddies”.

This is an extract from my report on Havana: “I consider pimps to be the lowest life form on earth. I rate them just below cockroaches and avoid them like the plague.” The Chinese pimps were speculating about the size of my dick. I reciprocated. Whenever and wherever I run into pimps, I will insult the crap out of them, both in person and in my reports. Death to all pimps!

Loso

loso

Two weeks ago my friend a 55yo American white guy came back with me. He was not trim but neither fat either. This was his second trip into china with me and right now he is batting a 0% rejection rate. He had heard about the rejection rate with white guys but he has experience none of it. When we were in dongguan at the JiaYi KTV, the girl told me to tell him that she is just going to the dressing room to change into street clothes and wanted to make sure he would still be here when she return. The next morning over breakfast, he smiled and told me that the girl was so white guy friendly that she was all...alll over him all night long. The girl was a beautiful tall 19year old that i would rate atleast a 9.

I guess it just luck sometime. I have another friend that is batting more than a 50% rejection rate. I think it is because he is just a bit too "stiff" when meeting the girls and the girls do not get good vibes from it and rather walk away from it.

just my point of view.

Loso69
02-02-07, 22:11
Bnlee,

Getting a 0% rejection rate is easy… simply approach the girls who show an interest in you. That’s not how I operate, though...

Loso

Chopsuey
02-03-07, 03:30
At the moment I am in San Jose Costa Rica. I wish what I had available in China in terms of both saunas, options,etc. were here. The quality is not the same, and at least based on my one experience of the other night, not worth the time or money.

With respect to Shenzhen, Zhuhai and elsewhere in China, I have never felt rejected nor unwlecome nor looked down upon. Perhaps, its because I smile, try to be a gentleman, a good person and a nice guy. Do I wish I were younger or taller or thinner of course I do, but I am not so I think and act like I am in my 20's. It seems to work for me.

I am looking forward to my upcoming trip to China and to at the very least getting a great massage.

Cheers!

Csun213
02-03-07, 03:53
I think the rejection rate from the girls would be how they view you. I have 2 white friends that I always go to China with. I think some of you guys have met them. One guy who is about 6'2, 230 lbs, rarely smiles and just stares at the girls. He has a high rejection rate (about 50%), I usually have to talk the girl into going with him. My other friend who is about 5'4, 160 but he always smiles at the girls, being very friendly. He almost never have any girl reject him. The funny part is that when I ask the girls that goes with my short friend whether they are afraid of him. More than half of the girls really think that they can beat him in a fight therefore have no fear of him at all. They see him like a big, lovable teddy bear. It is just how the girls view their customers.

OldAsiaHand
02-03-07, 04:26
Loso,

You hit the nail on the head. The hotter they are, the higher the rejection rate because they can get away with it knowing that in another 5 minutes they will get an Asian punter to take them. Having said that, the hottest ones generally provide the worst service.

As I have posted in the past, my theory is that most BBS girls are in a hurry, especially in big cities. Being a regular customer and repeating the same girl helps you to get better service. I remember one BBS where none of the girls would do me at first. Finally, a new girl came and agreed. After her, I was able to do all the other girls in the shop. Evidently, the first girl talked to the others to eliminate the misconceptions. CP is an exception because they have a better chance of getting LT so they try harder.

Just my POV.

OAH



Bnlee,

Getting a 0% rejection rate is easy… simply approach the girls who show an interest in you. That’s not how I operate, though...

Loso

Fast Eddie 48
02-03-07, 05:07
Hello Eddie,

Can you be more specific ( more info ) on the saunas around the area around Walmart in Futian that are P4P. Is "bai hua zhou" the name of the sauna? Telephones or buz cards are nice.

Yes, there are lots of saunas in this area. I have have been to one sauna in the Futian Walmart area with another monger but it was legit. On this block, there were three legit saunas. Therefore, finding P4P might be a problem. Any info would be nice for P4P.


Thanks...


Weelock


to weeklock

Most sauna around this area offer service best way to found out is just ask
them if they have vip room and then ask how much is fs ,Bai Hua zhou is the biggest place in this area .

BAI HUA ZHOU fu xiang rd corner of fu xing just before walmart
0755-83397599

I also have wa wa cell number pm me

fast eddie 48

Tiger 888
02-03-07, 08:01
Was in Shekou a frew days back. Arrived quite late, around 1:30 am. When loking to find a cuter one, a tall beauty caught my eye and I made it into Luck bar. They were immediately over me hazzling the shit out of me to buy all girls a drink. I should have left immediately but when you see the pic you may understand why I didn't. Instead I bought only her a drink. Before the second one I asked her if she would go with me if after she finished it and she said yes.
Alarmbells started ringin when I tried to kiss her and se said she was shy in front of the girls. When I asked her to go, she disappeared and a mamasan asked me how much I will give her. i said 500 LT as always in shekou.
The mamasan left and came back and told me she asks 1200. I got up to leave when the mamasan told me that I could have the other girls for 500 (all butt ugly).

My favourite, Manila Bar was closed (Its the bar where the girls from I love you bar whom I posted a long time ago moved). Does anyone happen to know why?

Attached a pic of the girl. Sorry it's a little blurry, since I took it from distance and she tried to get away. So I had to be fast. I had to cut it from the corner of the original picture.

Santa
02-03-07, 10:45
“I consider pimps to be the lowest life form on earth. I rate them just below cockroaches and avoid them like the plague.” The Chinese pimps were speculating about the size of my dick. I reciprocated. Whenever and wherever I run into pimps, I will insult the crap out of them, both in person and in my reports. Death to all pimps!

Loso

While I agree with your sentiments I do not agree with your actions. Being rude to these pimps and showing them your hatred accomplishes nothing and makes things bad for the next white guy.

I also don't like the pimps, but I think it's best just to avoid them, ignore them, and to not give them any business. Please do not confront them and insult them. That will only cause them to hate us.

Cockburn
02-03-07, 11:16
While I agree with your sentiments I do not agree with your actions. Being rude to these pimps and showing them your hatred accomplishes nothing and makes things bad for the next white guy.

I also don't like the pimps, but I think it's best just to avoid them, ignore them, and to not give them any business. Please do not confront them and insult them. That will only cause them to hate us.Dear Santa,

I would like to let you know that you have my support. Although people do not like pimps, I think they are just another human trying to make their living. In a country like China, one must remember, education; to many are not so affordable. Thus, many of these Pimps, Pros or working girls do not have much education or trained skills. These will forced many into this trade in order to survive.

In my POV: it is not their fault been forced to be a pimp. But if we as a well educated person will to look down on them and insult them; we are not any better off than them; totally ignorance and totally uneducated of what the real world is.

I look at everybody at the same level regardless of what they do for a living. I treat pimp well and most of the time, they would treat me well; get me the best girls at the most reasonable price.

CB

RCA Knight
02-03-07, 12:24
The China pimps can range from super nice to lowest scums on planet. But I have learned to get along with even the lowest scums. When they scorn at you and speculate at your size of your dick, ignore them and just forgive their ignorance because in my heart they are just bunch of iliterate dummies trying to make a meager living, so whats the use to get angry or to logically reason with bunch of iliterate dummies, and on the contrary, I always intentionally offer these super dummies an exotic cigarett(all these pimps are chimneys), even I don't smoke, or offer them a piece of gum, or something, I find this little action will soften them up tremendously, and the next time, they will trest you like a VIP, and offer you to see the best girls in the house.

Trust me a little psychological tactics can turn things around in no time in China.

Santa
02-03-07, 13:47
I just don't like other guys profitting from the sale in pussy, and I think mommies are probably former working girls themselves and are therefore more likely to be sympathetic to the girls needs and problems. I want all of my money to go to females, not other guys.

Of course, I realise that many of the shops are probably owned by male pimps who hire mommies, and street girls are often secretly controlled by guys. Certainly, the ktvs and saunas must be predominantly owned by guys. So there is no way to prevent them from profitting from the girls.

I have noticed some girls have cigarette burns on their arms and back, I have wondered about that.

I don't try to win a pimps favour by offering him a cigarette or candy. But I do sometimes give candy or fruit to the girls and mommies. I never give anything to a pimp. I just ignore him or walk to another shop. Even in a ktv or sauna, it is better to look for a female attendant and negotiate with her. Give the male attendants the cold shoulder.

Superforce99
02-03-07, 13:50
The China pimps can range from super nice to lowest scums on planet. But I have learned to get along with even the lowest scums. When they scorn at you and speculate at your size of your dick, ignore them and just forgive their ignorance because in my heart they are just bunch of iliterate dummies trying to make a meager living, so whats the use to get angry or to logically reason with bunch of iliterate dummies, and on the contrary, I always intentionally offer these super dummies an exotic cigarett(all these pimps are chimneys), even I don't smoke, or offer them a piece of gum, or something, I find this little action will soften them up tremendously, and the next time, they will trest you like a VIP, and offer you to see the best girls in the house.

Trust me a little psychological tactics can turn things around in no time in China.


This comment is at once intelligent, informative, and practical....in other words, something that rarely appears on ISG, ha ha...

Thanks and double thanks...now if only Jackson would only use that blue recommendation thingie of his on that comment...


J

Bob Builder
02-03-07, 15:12
In reality some of the mamas can be just as ruthless as any male gangster. How do you think they can keep hotties showing up for work when after a couple of weeks any gal who is a solid 8 could just walk of with half the customers on her own? I have had gals that have told me they have been beaten up by mamas for trying to freelance and some who hook up with customers and have to leave the area to avoid paying a hefty severance penalty.

As for the cigarette burns, I haven't come across these for a while but some are self-inflicted (as told by the gals) during bouts of depression (I suppose this was before the prevalence of Ketamine on the SZ BBS scene). Nothing nastier than looking at open burn sores on a gal's wrists.

Wu Bei Xin Cun is "A" concubine village, not the concubine village. Nearly every cun in SZ that has a resident HK male population is designated with this title.



I just don't like other guys profitting from the sale in pussy, and I think mommies are probably former working girls themselves and are therefore more likely to be sympathetic to the girls needs and problems. I want all of my money to go to females, not other guys.

Of course, I realise that many of the shops are probably owned by male pimps who hire mommies, and street girls are often secretly controlled by guys. Certainly, the ktvs and saunas must be predominantly owned by guys. So there is no way to prevent them from profitting from the girls.

I have noticed some girls have cigarette burns on their arms and back, I have wondered about that.

I don't try to win a pimps favour by offering him a cigarette or candy. But I do sometimes give candy or fruit to the girls and mommies. I never give anything to a pimp. I just ignore him or walk to another shop. Even in a ktv or sauna, it is better to look for a female attendant and negotiate with her. Give the male attendants the cold shoulder.

Santa
02-03-07, 15:57
In reality some of the mamas can be just as ruthless as any male gangster. .

Maybe that is correct. Maybe the preference for mama pimps is some biological male thing and I rationalise my behavior by being critical of male pimps. Just like male dogs fighting over the female. Maybe we don't like to submit to other males in order to use the female. Maybe there is some genetic cause that I don't properly understand.

However, most crimes are caused by males and that's why prisoners are predominantly males. So I would think that mamas are generally less likely to abuse the girls. Generally, I think I trust females more than I trust males.

I never thought about the burns being self inflicted, but I see that could be the case. However, I recently had a pretty girl with a new cigarette burn in the middle of her back.

Now I'm wondering how do we say "concubine village" in cantonese and mandarin.

This belongs in general info. Sorry Shenzhen gang.

Loso69
02-03-07, 18:22
Csun123,

You actually witnessed my being rejected in Hu Bei Xin Cun. The girl I wanted was willing to go with one of your friends, though (ethnic Chinese). As you may remember, I’m 6” tall, but not fat (172 lb).


I remember one BBS where none of the girls would do me at first. Finally, a new girl came and agreed. After her, I was able to do all the other girls in the shop. Evidently, the first girl talked to the others to eliminate the misconceptions. CP is an exception because they have a better chance of getting LT so they try harder.

That hits the nail right on the head as well and is a tactic I employ all the time. Treat the first girl you meet from a particular place well and all her friends will wanna fuck you too. :)

CP truly is different – the girls’ attitude is way better than in other places. And the CP girls (even the hot ones) actually want to go LT. In other places, most girls prefer to do ST after ST...



Might not be ageism.


As I stated before, I speak perfect Thai and understand everything the girls say to each other. Listening in on girls’ conversations will teach you everything you need to know about Thai bargirls. But you’ll end up hating them...



I repetitively see old guys with gogo stunners in Pattaya.


If they pay way over the top, the stunners may be willing to go ST with an old man. If the girl views the guy as a prospective sponsor (her ultimate goal), she may even be willing to go LT, even if fucking an old man causes her to lose face.

But I don’t pay ridiculous prices and am definitely not sponsor-material.



Im surprised you are still alive.


Fucking pimps may act tough in front of the girls, but those wimps lack the kahunas to confront a guy.


While I agree with your sentiments I do not agree with your actions. Being rude to these pimps and showing them your hatred accomplishes nothing and makes things bad for the next white guy.

I also don't like the pimps, but I think it's best just to avoid them, ignore them, and to not give them any business. Please do not confront them and insult them. That will only cause them to hate us.

I loathe pimps and get a real kick out of insulting those pieces of shit. Never gonna change...

RCA Knight,

I don’t deal with pimps... and that’s final.

Loso

Erik
02-03-07, 20:44
Rejection by girls,
Rejection is often due to irealistic criterias, and that is what make it difficult to fight, especially in a world where they are so superstitious, gossipers and have all kind of traditionnal weird thoughts. Whenever you enter a BBS, if one of the girls who wants to show off her traditionnal morphology skills starts to analyse the length of your nose, ears, fingers, feet and deducts from all this the size of your dick, she is likely to impress and rebuke all the other girls.
Also, how many times did I hear those stories of a girl who knows a girls who knows a girl who has been allegedly fucked to death by a black guy whose long dick made her blood so much that when they found the body there was blood all around the bed ?
When the group of girls is under negative influence, it is very hard to go against, you can smile, joke, nothing will do. Even proposing a higher price does not necessary help. On the contrary, I had cases where it made things worse, as they started to suspect that it was a scam...
Have you also noticed the group beheaviour, so characteristic of confucianist China ? If a BBS in one street doesn't welcome laowai, it is likely that the BBS of the whole street will react the same. If a girl claims BJ is disgusting and NOBODY does this in China (unlike in your deprived Western countries where verybody fucks with everybody), the whole BBS and the whole street will be of that opinion. But if a BBS is cool, very often all the neighbours are cool too. I am talking generalities, of course, but over years of observation, I find it often to be like that.

Nutso
02-04-07, 02:47
Out of curiousity - for the Mandarin speakers, do you find yourself getting rejected? Eric and the rest of you have summed up the issues pretty well, but it has never happened to me (6 ft. laowei with fluent Mandarin). I find barriers usually come down pretty quickly once they start talking. I may just be on a lucky streak, but I'm interested in how much the language makes a difference.


Rejection by girls,
Rejection is often due to irealistic criterias, and that is what make it difficult to fight, especially in a world where they are so superstitious, gossipers and have all kind of traditionnal weird thoughts. Whenever you enter a BBS, if one of the girls who wants to show off her traditionnal morphology skills starts to analyse the length of your nose, ears, fingers, feet and deducts from all this the size of your dick, she is likely to impress and rebuke all the other girls.
Also, how many times did I hear those stories of a girl who knows a girls who knows a girl who has been allegedly fucked to death by a black guy whose long dick made her blood so much that when they found the body there was blood all around the bed ?
When the group of girls is under negative influence, it is very hard to go against, you can smile, joke, nothing will do. Even proposing a higher price does not necessary help. On the contrary, I had cases where it made things worse, as they started to suspect that it was a scam...
Have you also noticed the group beheaviour, so characteristic of confucianist China ? If a BBS in one street doesn't welcome laowai, it is likely that the BBS of the whole street will react the same. If a girl claims BJ is disgusting and NOBODY does this in China (unlike in your deprived Western countries where verybody fucks with everybody), the whole BBS and the whole street will be of that opinion. But if a BBS is cool, very often all the neighbours are cool too. I am talking generalities, of course, but over years of observation, I find it often to be like that.

Neuromancer
02-04-07, 03:07
Out of curiousity - for the Mandarin speakers, do you find yourself getting rejected? Eric and the rest of you have summed up the issues pretty well, but it has never happened to me (6 ft. laowei with fluent Mandarin). I find barriers usually come down pretty quickly once they start talking. I may just be on a lucky streak, but I'm interested in how much the language makes a difference.Hope this isn't too off-topic. I assume the context of this rejection discussion is in relation to BBS' and/or street walkers? Don't have much experience in that arena, as I most stick to 141s, saunas and KTV.

Anyway, haven't been rejected very often (not completely fluent in Mandarin but enough to get myself in trouble... I'm ABC by the way). Only time I can recall was at a KTV - where I think that we didn't make it clear with the mamasan before hand that we wanted girls who were willing to do takeout. With 141s, they can screen you via CCTV before hand (and just won't answer the door) and with sauna's they screen you as you enter the facility (where they will find a girl who is willing to do foreigners) - hence with both of these places, it's possible that I've been rejected without knowing it. That said, I've met plenty of providers who have mentioned that they won't service laowai or more commonly "black guys" (Indian's included in this definition). But then other providers have mentioned that they've met laowai's who were completely fluent in Mandarin and have commented on what a kick they've gotten out of it. Believe that there's certainly a significant amount of racism involved, but language skills can break down many of those barriers.

OldAsiaHand
02-04-07, 04:39
Nutso,

I speak a reasonable amount of Mandarin, albeit not fluent, but in the context of mongering I get by. However, I really do not think this matters that often. Many girls just refuse to do lao wai period for many of the reasons that Erik mentioned. A few, if they are on the fence, may get warmed up a bit with chatting or even showing them that your dick is not as big as they might imagine.

The most important thing to do is not let the rejection get to you and just keep walking. I've known mongers that would get pissed off and create a scene which did nobody any good.

Just my POV.

OAH

OldAsiaHand
02-04-07, 05:23
I concur with Santa about men running the shops and the girls. There is something about it that I don't like either. Maybe it is the "pimp" perception. Generally speaking, I've found that service and accomodation is better in BBS run by women.

Just my POV.

OAH

Santa
02-04-07, 05:50
At the first mention of penis size, or hesitation on the girls part, I ask them do they want to see it. Before they can answer, I unzip my fly, put my hand down my pants and put my finger through my opened fly. This causes lots of laughter and the the girls are then more friendly.

Regarding our dislike of male pimps, I think it might be a genetically controlled response that we do not understand or do not fully appreciate. You have all seen these animal documentaries where the dominant male controls the females. Maybe in our situation we see the pimp, and the pimp sees himself, as the dominant male. They are HIS females. We must then submit to him by giving him money, walking away, or as Loso would do, challenging his dominance in a threatening way.

I am sure you have all seen this behavior in dogs and baboons, etc. It is found in all the mammals I think. So, it is only natural that we should be the same.

When we walk into a shop run by a mama we don't have this same conflict.

Maybe many male pimps are very aware that their customers don't like doing business with them and they hire mamas to run the shops for them.

MegaPoint
02-04-07, 14:10
.

Now I'm wondering how do we say "concubine village" in cantonese and mandarin.I would venture:

Cantonese: yee lai tsuen

Mandarin: bao erh nai cun (=tsun)

There are slightly different ways of expressing the idea (Cantonese drops the first character.) And at the risk of being pounded by know-it-alls, never let anyone tell you that Cantonese and Mandarin are **exactly** the same language, just pronounced differently. This is erroneous, and actually a part of "One China" mythology. Cantonese is, interestingly, the older of these two Chinese languages, one with a longer literary history.

Sorry for getting off topic. For those who are interested, I stayed at the Cruise Inn this weekend (that's the old Ming Hua ocean liner, permanently scuttled in Shekou.) Nice accomodation, girl friendly, but measly buffet breakfast, skip it and take her to Starbucks. Value for money compared to the Nan Hai.

Nutso
02-04-07, 23:54
I've been stayed at the Nan Hai a couple of times. It is a nice hotel and convenient location near the ferry, but the rock-hard beds are tough on the knees. What kind of rate did you pay at the Cruise Inn?


Sorry for getting off topic. For those who are interested, I stayed at the Cruise Inn this weekend (that's the old Ming Hua ocean liner, permanently scuttled in Shekou.) Nice accomodation, girl friendly, but measly buffet breakfast, skip it and take her to Starbucks. Value for money compared to the Nan Hai.

TangZhen
02-05-07, 08:45
I was in a hotel lobby and noticed this caligraphy. I am pretty sure it is a character that the images form, but I am not sure of the character. Any good guesses?

Ace Gallant
02-05-07, 10:13
I was in a hotel lobby and noticed this caligraphy. I am pretty sure it is a character that the images form, but I am not sure of the character. Any good guesses?

The Character is 性 which means "Sex".

AG

MegaPoint
02-05-07, 10:16
I've been stayed at the Nan Hai a couple of times. It is a nice hotel and convenient location near the ferry, but the rock-hard beds are tough on the knees. What kind of rate did you pay at the Cruise Inn?They have a standing deal of "40% off" the published rates, but their 40 per cent doesn't always compute with mine. I paid 616 yuan a night for the Deluxe Sea View Room, which actually looks onto the golf course where the sea used to be. (There are cheaper rooms to be had.) It is a smallish room, due to the nature of being built into the hulk of an oceanliner, but is more up to date in its fittings (esp bathroom) and yes the bed is more comfy than those at the Nan Hai. Getting to the elevator, etc., is tricky, you pass right under the noses of the staff, but I had no trouble with my xiao jie... the buffet breakfast is inferior to the Nan Hai's spread, however.

Sukhumvitter
02-05-07, 14:41
Thanks to Santa, OAH, Loso69, and SZexpat for sharing the locations of the hot spots in SZ. I appreciate the leg up on the scene in SZ.

Thanks guys!

TangZhen
02-06-07, 05:58
AG: Thanks for the translation. I know a few characters but I would not have picked that the character was 'xing', though it is pretty obvious that it has a rather erotic intent. I like pretty direct sexual art, when I was in Africa there are carvings that are pretty direct in their sexual content.


The Character is 性 which means "Sex".

Krum Lov
02-06-07, 12:19
Csun, may have bad news to report. i went to visit our favorite fujian MP last night (6pm) in pink apts area, only to find it closed and dark inside, with curtains drawn across. didn't look good. am mighty disappointed. any news from your end? let me know if you also find it closed, thnx. Krum.

Fast Eddie 48
02-06-07, 17:42
Was in Shekou a frew days back. Arrived quite late, around 1:30 am. When loking to find a cuter one, a tall beauty caught my eye and I made it into Luck bar. They were immediately over me hazzling the shit out of me to buy all girls a drink. I should have left immediately but when you see the pic you may understand why I didn't. Instead I bought only her a drink. Before the second one I asked her if she would go with me if after she finished it and she said yes.
Alarmbells started ringin when I tried to kiss her and se said she was shy in front of the girls. When I asked her to go, she disappeared and a mamasan asked me how much I will give her. i said 500 LT as always in shekou.
The mamasan left and came back and told me she asks 1200. I got up to leave when the mamasan told me that I could have the other girls for 500 (all butt ugly).

My favourite, Manila Bar was closed (Its the bar where the girls from I love you bar whom I posted a long time ago moved). Does anyone happen to know why?

Attached a pic of the girl. Sorry it's a little blurry, since I took it from distance and she tried to get away. So I had to be fast. I had to cut it from the corner of the original picture.





to Tiger 1

That is way too much for skank at Shekou area 1200 rmb you should tell her even in Las Vegas is 1000 rmb all nighter ,I have heard the bbs in the shekou area have some better quality for 150 st some of the mamasan from sha tsui have moved there I didn't have the time to check it out on my last trip.

fast eddie 48

Csun213
02-06-07, 21:57
Csun, may have bad news to report. i went to visit our favorite fujian MP last night (6pm) in pink apts area, only to find it closed and dark inside, with curtains drawn across. didn't look good. am mighty disappointed. any news from your end? let me know if you also find it closed, thnx. Krum.

I am back in the U.S. and won't be going there until mid April. It might be closed for a short time due to all the crackdown before Chinese New Year which happens every year. Hope it will be open after the New Year.

Manfest
02-07-07, 01:57
I read about these herbal pills as a hoax. They are just laced with viagara.

So this is a follow up to a conversation 5 pages ago, so I myself have lost interest. Nevertheless, I have my last box before throwing it away, so I'll post the pictures. One is before the scratch off (a phone number apparently), and one after scratching that off (possibly a serial number).

No comment on whether they are real or not, but for me, they worked quite well. I've tried Viagra before which worked great but with some stuffy nose and flushed feeling. These didn't have that adverse effect, but kept my didi up without any effort. Maybe the placebo effect, who knows. :)

MpfsLover
02-07-07, 13:25
On a recent trip to Shenzhen I found a few stores right outside the LoWu / HK immigration terminal to sell this kind of stuff. These stores are on the right hand side once you walk out of the terminal lobby. Also saw the ones JohnnyK mentioned in his previous post.

I was tempted to buy some and try, but finally decided to stick with the blue pill I brought with me. Maybe next time.

mpfslover


So this is a follow up to a conversation 5 pages ago, so I myself have lost interest. Nevertheless, I have my last box before throwing it away, so I'll post the pictures. One is before the scratch off (a phone number apparently), and one after scratching that off (possibly a serial number).

No comment on whether they are real or not, but for me, they worked quite well. I've tried Viagra before which worked great but with some stuffy nose and flushed feeling. These didn't have that adverse effect, but kept my didi up without any effort. Maybe the placebo effect, who knows. :)

Reader123
02-08-07, 00:27
It could be the low dosage that the side effects didn't manifest itself. I think I posted a link to a news article that says the herbal pills are laced with Viagara.


So this is a follow up to a conversation 5 pages ago, so I myself have lost interest. Nevertheless, I have my last box before throwing it away, so I'll post the pictures. One is before the scratch off (a phone number apparently), and one after scratching that off (possibly a serial number).

No comment on whether they are real or not, but for me, they worked quite well. I've tried Viagra before which worked great but with some stuffy nose and flushed feeling. These didn't have that adverse effect, but kept my didi up without any effort. Maybe the placebo effect, who knows. :)

SeattleGman
02-10-07, 04:48
Anyone have any info on the Japanese bar on the upper floor (50th?) at the Panglin Hotel? Forgot the name, but the attendant said it was a Japanese bar.

I stumbled in to look and there was a bunch of nice bar girls there to greet me. It was early and they did not yet have any patrons. Not sure if these girls were available to take out or not. I was afraid to go in for a drink for fear of loosing my wallet funds.

Chopsuey
02-11-07, 06:26
Anyone have any info on the Japanese bar on the upper floor (50th?) at the Panglin Hotel? Forgot the name, but the attendant said it was a Japanese bar.

I stumbled in to look and there was a bunch of nice bar girls there to greet me. It was early and they did not yet have any patrons. Not sure if these girls were available to take out or not. I was afraid to go in for a drink for fear of loosing my wallet funds.SeattleGman,

Hi! I know the hotel and have been to the bar you refer to. The bars on the upper floor of the hotel offer a great view and privacy which present some excellent opportunities to meet very lovely youngladies.

Good luck and enjoy!

On a side note,if you are still in China when I will be there, let's get together and compare notes.

Send me a pm and let me know where I can reach you.

SeattleGman
02-11-07, 21:17
Chopsuey -

Unfortunately I'm back in the states now, but thanks for the offer.

I'm not sure if I'll stay at the Panglin anymore. They have the stiffest beds that I have ever slept on. Seems to be girl friendly though as I have been bringing girls in for some time now.

Can you describe what the mode of operation is in the bar? Like tipping, buying drinks, payment to girls, etc? I think it would be fun just to go in to have a drink, but like I said, I'm afraid of getting shook down. I think chances are a bit less because it is part of the hotel and I do not think they want to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off their guests.

Gman


SeattleGman,

Hi! I know the hotel and have been to the bar you refer to. The bars on the upper floor of the hotel offer a great view and privacy which present some excellent opportunities to meet very lovely youngladies.

Good luck and enjoy!

On a side note,if you are still in China when I will be there, let's get together and compare notes.

Send me a pm and let me know where I can reach you.

Fast Eddie 48
02-12-07, 00:16
Chopsuey -

Unfortunately I'm back in the states now, but thanks for the offer.

I'm not sure if I'll stay at the Panglin anymore. They have the stiffest beds that I have ever slept on. Seems to be girl friendly though as I have been bringing girls in for some time now.

Can you describe what the mode of operation is in the bar? Like tipping, buying drinks, payment to girls, etc? I think it would be fun just to go in to have a drink, but like I said, I'm afraid of getting shook down. I think chances are a bit less because it is part of the hotel and I do not think they want to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off their guests.

GmanTo Seattle Man,

You sound like you have bad experience in a KTV in China before and kind of gun shy, I don't know what are you afraid of you can just ask the manager what they offer and the price and you have right there before you paid for any thing instead of having someone else like chop do all the leg work for you I don't think a 4 star hotel like Panglin that cater to foreign will shake any customer down.

Fast eddie 48

SeattleGman
02-12-07, 03:01
Only had one bad experience where my host left early and the establishment took advantage of us. Since then, I only go with a host and insist they stay with us. I also read posts here of similar experience where drinks get served and the infamous fruit plates come out.

I agree that the Panglin would likely be safe. Thanks for your suggestion of talking to the manager beforehand. I have given the Panglin plenty of business over the past 4-5 years and I also don't think they would risk losing a customer.

On another note, the BBS area behind the Sebu department store is alive and well. Looks like they are on police watch sometimes because they cleared out almost every night, but patience pays off later. A mamasan insisted I pay her first and she led me to one of the apartments. Told me to stay while she sends the girl I picked out. Waited for about 5-10 minutes and no girl shows up. Went back to see mamasan and she gave me my 150 RMB back and said something in Chinese that I could not understand. I appreciated her honesty and giving my money back. That wouldn't happen in the USA. I think they were spooked by police roaming around that night. All the girls I took gave good service and didn't complain about me taking my time. Very few of them will give a BJ though. Not sure why. Only one did out of the 3 or 4 I met.


to seattle man


You sound like you have bad experience in a ktv in china before and kind of gun shy , I don't know what are you afraid of you can just ask the manager what they offer and the price and you have right there before you paid for any thing instead of having someone else like chop do all the leg work for you I don't think a 4 star hotel like panglin that cater to foriegn will shook any customer down.


fast eddie 48

Laowai123
02-12-07, 03:20
Only had one bad experience where my host left early and the establishment took advantage of us. Since then, I only go with a host and insist they stay with us. I also read posts here of similar experience where drinks get served and the infamous fruit plates come out.Kick out of your brain any host who invites you to KTV but wants to leave the scene before you without leaving somebody at KTV who is acting on his behalf!

Was and are your hosts chinese? If yes, and you do biz with them - as they are hosts, I assume you maybe "buy" from them - another reason to get rid of them.

The stories about drinks and fruit plates becoming "very expensive" are mainly from invitations to "follow" a gal to a place where she is part of scam activities. But, also in low class KTV and being alone you maybe are target to such scams. Search the forum for a "KTV Primer" to get some basic informations about KTVs here in CHina.


Waited for about 5-10 minutes and no girl shows up. Went back to see mamasan and she gave me my 150 RMB back and said something in Chinese that I could not understand. I appreciated her honesty and giving my money back.You were really lucky. To avoid unlucky moments, never, never pay the full amount in advance. Paying mama her share in advance is in some cities usus. In case she wants to cheat you you only lose her share and not the full amount. Btw, here in ZMT no mama was ever asking me for advance payments, that's another advantage of living in a small town.

LW

Hk Live
02-14-07, 17:24
Hello bros,

I read extensively this thread and it appears that near the Shangri one can get a nice soapy HJ. Well I was staying at the Shangri La 2 days ago and went for a tour based on the bro's indication. Unfortunately, I was not able to find the place.

Therefore, can someone help me? My understanding is that:

- When one go out from Shangri la main entrance, turn left

- Follow the hotel wall, you pass the MTR entrance, then go on along the hotel side and you have this big avenue on your right

- You arrive at a first alley (A) on your left with a guard 'house' and a barrier

- Crossing this alley, there is a big building on the left. Is this the pink appartment?

- As you keep on walking you cross a street (B) and arrive to the Bank of China when there are ATM machines.

- After the bank, you cross another street (C) and you arrive at another Bank of China building (yes a 2nd one!!).

- It seems that we need to turn left in one of the streets A, B or C.

From there, can you help me find the right place?? Thanks a lot.

Higsbmw
02-15-07, 01:08
Will be staying at the Crowne Plaza. Work will prevent me from straying too far for late night activities. Anyone know of locations near there ? last time I was at V-Bar ladies were expecting too much.

Mark Mason
02-15-07, 04:13
Hello bros,

I read extensively this thread and it appears that near the Shangri one can get a nice soapy HJ. Well I was staying at the Shangri La 2 days ago and went for a tour based on the bro's indication. Unfortunately, I was not able to find the place.

Therefore, can someone help me? My understanding is that:

- When one go out from Shangri la main entrance, turn left

- Follow the hotel wall, you pass the MTR entrance, then go on along the hotel side and you have this big avenue on your right

- You arrive at a first alley (A) on your left with a guard 'house' and a barrier

- Crossing this alley, there is a big building on the left. Is this the pink appartment?

- As you keep on walking you cross a street (B) and arrive to the Bank of China when there are ATM machines.



- After the bank, you cross another street (C) and you arrive at another Bank of China building (yes a 2nd one!!).

- It seems that we need to turn left in one of the streets A, B or C.

From there, can you help me find the right place?? Thanks a lot.

I checked google maps. Behind the hotel is Remin Lu, Cross this road. Take the first right into a small road. You are almost there. The first right will put you at the pink apartments.

From your directions I do not know what street you are walking in. Look for Remin Lu behind the hotel and walk away from the border.

Old Mean Dog
02-15-07, 06:12
You were really lucky. To avoid unlucky moments, never, never pay the full amount in advance. Paying mama her share in advance is in some cities usus. In case she wants to cheat you you only lose her share and not the full amount. Btw, here in ZMT no mama was ever asking me for advance payments, that's another advantage of living in a small town.
LW

@Laowai123 this is somewhat SOP for the shops behind Seibu since the girls are directly controlled by the mama and do not have the freedom they do in Dongguan. This could probably be discussed if the john knows putonghua otherwise, this can lead to "bad" situations such as poor service and/or the foreigner and their big dicks B.S. excuses.

-SZE

Old Mean Dog
02-15-07, 06:15
Hello bros,

I read extensively this thread and it appears that near the Shangri one can get a nice soapy HJ. Well I was staying at the Shangri La 2 days ago and went for a tour based on the bro's indication. Unfortunately, I was not able to find the place.

Therefore, can someone help me? My understanding is that:

- When one go out from Shangri la main entrance, turn left

- Follow the hotel wall, you pass the MTR entrance, then go on along the hotel side and you have this big avenue on your right

- You arrive at a first alley (A) on your left with a guard 'house' and a barrier
-
- Crossing this alley, there is a big building on the left. Is this the pink appartment?

- As you keep on walking you cross a street (B) and arrive to the Bank of China when there are ATM machines.

- After the bank, you cross another street (C) and you arrive at another Bank of China building (yes a 2nd one!!).

- It seems that we need to turn left in one of the streets A, B or C.

From there, can you help me find the right place?? Thanks a lot.

- Walk out the back door of the Shangri-La Hotel (opposite the train station, the back door is next to the Thailand Airlines Office)
- Look straight ahead, you will see Pink Apartments
- Cross the street and enter the village
-Walk around in the village, mama will find you or you will see a shop.
- Have Fun

Hk Live
02-15-07, 14:36
Oh I see, so actually when I get out from the Shangri la at the exit on the side, I need to cross the big avenue I was mentioning before.

How do I recognize the pink building?

And once I have identified it, how do I get to this BBS when I can get the Soapy HK and get the #12 girl?

Please give me details, if you have street names, even better.

Thanks bros.

Old Mean Dog
02-16-07, 01:35
Oh I see, so actually when I get out from the Shangri la at the exit on the side, I need to cross the big avenue I was mentioning before.

How do I recognize the pink building?

And once I have identified it, how do I get to this BBS when I can get the Soapy HK and get the #12 girl?

Please give me details, if you have street names, even better.

Thanks bros.

How do you recognize the "PINK" apartment buildings? There is about a half dozen apartment buildings over there and they are ALL PINK as in the color PINK, not red (refer back to older posts, there is a good photo of the "PINK" apartments).

You walk directly across the street, turn left, walk a little further and turn right into the village. If you were to cross the street and continue to keep walking straight you would hurt your head bumping it on the cement wall so, your only options are left or right.....I said left, not right, but if your shitty with directions and turned right you would walk in to Luohu Metro Exit and know that this is the wrong direction.

Across the street from the Shangri-La Hotel's back door.....there is only "ONE" street you need to cross, not mulitple streets. In case your a perfectionist, it's called Renmin Lu.

Mommies are waiting at the entrance to the village, or try your luck without a mommy escort and enter one of the massage (relaxation) shops on your own. Who knows if this girl is still even there, this is a high turnover area and due to the recent raids, some shops have closed or have hidden special services like getting your dick washed.

This may seem a tad bit brutal, but we are not planning a military invasion or trying to find Blackbeards hidden treasure. Don't make your planning any tougher than it needs to be.

Have Fun,
SZE

Csun213
02-16-07, 01:55
Oh I see, so actually when I get out from the Shangri la at the exit on the side, I need to cross the big avenue I was mentioning before.

How do I recognize the pink building?

And once I have identified it, how do I get to this BBS when I can get the Soapy HK and get the #12 girl?

Please give me details, if you have street names, even better.

Thanks bros.

You can only see the pink building if you are going during the day time. At night, all the building look alike.

Once you find the Bank of China that is behind the Shangri La ( it is in front of a big street). The pink building is right across the street from Bank of China. Just walk across the street (be careful of all the cars), you will go through a alley with a guard booth. Once you enter the alley, it will open up to a big lot with a couple of Barber Shops on the left with nothing but a wall on your right side. Go straight and make a right at the first alley way. Again there will be nothing but a wall on your right. The Soapie shop is about the 4th shop on your left. You have to go up about 10 steps in order to enter the shop. There will be a counter on your right along with a TV set. There will be a bunch of young girls in white sitting on the sofa watching TV. They do not wear numbers so you would have to ask for #12. She will then take you upstairs. Give you a massage, then she will ask if you want soapie HJ which is an extra 35rmb. Say yes because it is great. She will then leave and come back with a pan of warm water. You are free to feel her up by loosing her bra. After you are done, she will wash you up, then go downstairs with her and paid 70rmb. There is no need to tip unless you are planning on getting her again. Have fun and let us know how you do.

Tiger 888
02-17-07, 07:32
According to your descriptions I made a google earth search and attached what I believe are the pink appartments. I do knlw the backside of the SHangrila Hotel, but never looked for the pink appartments. The picture seems to be quite a few years old though.

Cooler Wolf2
02-17-07, 07:47
Stayed in Shekou for a few nights earlier this week.

The bars around the Haitao and Nanhai hotels were a lot of fun, though I have to say the girls were so aggressive about getting you into the bars. They literally drag you, pull you, gang up on you in small groups, wrap their arms and legs around you so you can’t walk. Felt like I was running the gauntlet just to get back to my hotel room.

Went to Lemon Tree (opposite the Haitao Hotel) late first night, had a couple of beers, bought a couple of the requisite lady drinks. Chose Mandy as she seemed the keenest, had a fun and relaxed attitude. Went back to the hotel for the standard 500 overnight fee (thanks to Tiger1 for the info). While not a hottie had a very enjoyable time. Very playful, fun and a real GFE. Woke me up with a very nice and slow BBBJ and then various positions until finish with BBBJCIM.

Arranged to meet up later that night but was too tired. She called me the next night, pushing hard for me to go the bar. Made an arrangement that she would visit the hotel room, then go the bar for a while and then back to the hotel. Agreed on same price as before.

So she arrives just after nine o’clock. She’s pushing hard to go the bar again, but persuade her to hop into bed. After a quick session, we get dressed. Then I made the fatal mistake – had the five hundred on the table next to the TV. I get out the shower and she’s putting the money in her purse. Didn’t think it was a problem until we go the bar. Later when leaving she tries to hit me up for another 500, saying 500 for ST and 500 for LT. Tell her this is not the going rate nor what we agreed but no dice.

Felt kinda dumb for making such a newbie mistake but will be more careful next time. Would recommend for the GFE, just be careful with your cash (as always).

Cooler

Note to Tiger1: Manila Bar is up and running again. Have fun!

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Cooler Wolf2
02-17-07, 08:30
Getting orientated took a walking tour of the various BBS locations and the pink apartments trying to get in the mood. As for the directions to the pink apartments posted earlier – how can you miss them?? They are BIG PINK APARTMENTS!!

Went to U Bar for a couple of beers last night. Many opportunities there, some real hotties.

May May Part 1

Met up with May May. Seems this is where does most of her work, so I’m sure some the Shenzhen expats will know of her from the bar. Very cute face, nice body with some welcome curves, friendly, cuddly, loves drinking whisky straight up – my kinda girl ;-) Only problem is she speaks English with a very heavy Guangdong accent. Too often, I was nodding and smiling, while not having a clue what she was talking about.

Agreed on 500 to go back to the hotel. We shower and I lie on the bed. She looks me up and down. Comments on my cock being too thick then does her dutiful best to stuff as much into her mouth as possible. While not the best BBBJ I have had, I have to commend her on her determination and enthusiasm. She quickly tried to move on to fucking, but with a little persuasion she kept blowing me while I was DATY. She happily teased me with finger play and ball-sucking. Pushed me again to go for the condom. Tells me “I like fucking not sucking”. While I’m beginning to think maybe she just wants to get this over quickly, I quickly discover that she really DOES like fucking. We go at it for quite some time until I finish in doggy – her professed favorite. She is a bit heavy with the fake moaning but shh-ed her by enthusiastic DFK.

After showering, asks me if I want to go back to the bar. I say no, going to sleep. She leaves, I can’t sleep because of the damn KTV nightclub 5 floors below me – goddamn bad Chinese techno. So I venture back out to the bar for a few beers and a game of pool.

May May Part 2

Back in U Bar, play a couple of games of pool, have a few beers. Head into the other bar and there is May May waving to me at the bar. She comes over to me and we chat, but I’m kinda tired. And it seemed pretty obvious that May May’s whisky was kicking in. After about twenty minutes, she asks me to go back to the hotel. Tired, I give her the excuse that I have no more money and to my surprise – she says no problem. “No feeling, no fucking. - I like you”. We head back and she perks up after the shower. Then get into some nice BBBJ, same enthusiasm. Prolonged screwing in different positions, had a very good time. Had no trouble sleeping after that.

Woke up about 11am, she starts playing with my didi and balls. Gets me hard and we go for round three. Great morning wake-up.

She asked me if I wanted to go for lunch. Said no, she asks me for 100 lunch money. I happily agree.

May May is a part-timer with a day job, though definitely experienced. I won’t mention where she works though, for the sake of discretion. She passed on some interesting info about the girls working at the Shangri La hotel and other 5 star hotel bars. Seems the mamasan at the Shangri La there takes 800RMB bar fine from the girls – looks like I won’t be heading there any time soon then!

Great experience, great girl, loves her work. May just go back for round four tonight or tomorrow. I have her photo, but in internet bar now so will post later when I get back home. Other members can PM me for her phone number.

Cheers,

Cooler

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Old Mean Dog
02-23-07, 02:45
Isn't it sad how the Shenzhen Forum used to be one of the most active on the China Board, but now it almost seems like a dead link....

Bnlee2
02-23-07, 02:58
Isn't it sad how the Shenzhen Forum used to be one of the most active on the China Board, but now it almost seems like a dead link....
yes you are correct. parading the girls, pimps and john around town early in january did not help either. it looks like sha tsui village is the thing of the past, but im sure that another one is starting around the corner. A quick trip to CP/Dongguan is only less than 90 minutes away with traffic.

TangZhen
02-23-07, 08:02
I checked on the local BBS near my house lastnight. During the crackdown they had all been closed, but they are all back open now. Certainly this years crackdown was much harder than normal, but I do think it will progress as have all previous crackdowns, where they get serious for a few weeks then things slowly return to normal. That being said, I do expect Sha Zui to only be a shell of its former glory. It was far too festive to go unnoticed. I believe the main thing that did it in, were unflattering newspaper coverage from Hong Kong papers. Loss of face was not an option, so the authorities will always keep it to a minor area.

Silly Puppy
02-23-07, 20:10
Anyone knows the cheapest way to go to Macao from Lowu bus station? I guess I have to buy a bus ticket to harbor then hop on a boat but not sure what bus # and cost are.

Bnlee2
02-24-07, 00:55
I checked on the local BBS near my house lastnight. During the crackdown they had all been closed, but they are all back open now. Certainly this years crackdown was much harder than normal, but I do think it will progress as have all previous crackdowns, where they get serious for a few weeks then things slowly return to normal. That being said, I do expect Sha Zui to only be a shell of its former glory. It was far too festive to go unnoticed. I believe the main thing that did it in, were unflattering newspaper coverage from Hong Kong papers. Loss of face was not an option, so the authorities will always keep it to a minor area.

sha tsui was fun... i prefer to monger from the comfort of an easy chair. My client hooked me up with a friend that owns several ktvs in the shenzhen area and i usually like going there and have them bring the line up to me. have a couple of quick drinks and off i go back to the hotel

Tiger 888
02-24-07, 02:13
Anyone knows the cheapest way to go to Macao from Lowu bus station? I guess I have to buy a bus ticket to harbor then hop on a boat but not sure what bus # and cost are.If you really mean cheap, take a bus from Luohu to Shekou K204 (around 1 hour - 8 RMB) and then the boat either to Macau (there are only very few sailings) or to Zhuhai (every 30 mins - 80 RMB).
Or you may take a bus from Luohu to Zhuhai (Gonbgbei) and walk through to Macau.
The faster way may be from Luohu to Tsim Sha Tsui East (around 34 HKD) and then the boat from the HK-China ferry terminal to Macau (130 HKD daytime and 140 at night/weekends if you buy the ticket from a travel agent).

Sicer
02-24-07, 03:53
Gentlemen, I was going up to Shenzhen to do some shopping last Friday, and I figured I would take a chance and swing by Sha Tsui to have a look. Boy was I glad! Things have definitely changed for the better there.

I arrived around 6:30pm and there were a number of girls hanging around the store fronts, so I took one immediately (150 RMB). As the evening progressed, more girls and mamas came out of the woodwork, and by 9pm, things were quite lively! Now truthfully, it was still a shell of its former glory, but things are open for business! The alleys are no longer lit up with pink and blue, but the girls hang around in the darkened areas, and everyone is quite wary of the passing rent-a-cops on motor bikes. It may be far to intimidating for a newbe, but I was in heaven. There were even some KTV places open, and some massage places too, but I have never been in any of those. I estimate it may be at 25% of its past activity level, but it’s much busier than 2 months ago when I was there last and things were absolutely dead.

After a manicure (10RMB), a beer (7RMB) another girl (150RMB), then dinner (40RMB) then another beer (7RMB) and girl (150RMB), it was back to HK at 11:30pm. By that time, many of the girls had been taken out for the night, and things were a little quiet. Things may be different on a weeknight, so I plan on doing some more ‘research’ next week.

It seems that in Sha Tsui the mix of many beauty salons, sexy clothes shops, and fresh girls, produces a combination that I personally can’t resist. Hopefully, over time, things will pick up and Sha Tsui may see a return! I will keep you posted.

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Fast Eddie 48
02-24-07, 05:36
If you really mean cheap, take a bus from Luohu to Shekou K204 (around 1 hour - 8 RMB) and then the boat either to Macau (there are only very few sailings) or to Zhuhai (every 30 mins - 80 RMB).
Or you may take a bus from Luohu to Zhuhai (Gonbgbei) and walk through to Macau.
The faster way may be from Luohu to Tsim Sha Tsui East (around 34 HKD) and then the boat from the HK-China ferry terminal to Macau (130 HKD daytime and 140 at night/weekends if you buy the ticket from a travel agent).



to tiger 1


There is a vip bus from zhu hai gongbei border to shenzhen luohu bus station
cost 135 rmb it run every 90min ,there are one also go to shanghai hotel at shennan rd and huanggang border trip take 2hr 30 min , I take this bus last month only 5 passenger extra wide seat ,the ferry take too long and ferry building at zhu hai is not near gongbei border and you need to take the bus in
luohu to shekou to take the ferry.




fast eddie 48

Silly Puppy
02-24-07, 18:27
So it seems the best way (and relatively cheap) to Macao is to take a bus to Zhuhai and walk thru the border? Either cheap bus or VIP bus is ok with me. Thanks guys....

Moody
02-24-07, 20:49
So it seems the best way (and relatively cheap) to Macao is to take a bus to Zhuhai and walk thru the border? Either cheap bus or VIP bus is ok with me. Thanks guys....

Well... if you're in Luohu, you could also go through HK. Hop on the KCR to Tsimshatsui and catch a ferry from there. You can probably get deals at the travel agents there for discounted sauna and stuff. Alternatively, if you're in Shekou, there's a ferry from there to Zhuhai also. The ferry takes a little over an hour to get to Zhuhai. I believe there's also a ferry to Macau there too.

MegaPoint
02-25-07, 02:21
Well... if you're in Luohu, you could also go through HK. Hop on the KCR to Tsimshatsui and catch a ferry from there. You can probably get deals at the travel agents there for discounted sauna and stuff. Alternatively, if you're in Shekou, there's a ferry from there to Zhuhai also. The ferry takes a little over an hour to get to Zhuhai. I believe there's also a ferry to Macau there too.The Shekou-Jiuzhou Zhuhai ferry departs every half-hour from 0730 AM to 2030 PM. The Shekou-Macau ferry departs at 0815, 1145, 1545, and 1830. I don't know the price for a single ticket for these boats, but the Shekou-HK ferry is 110 yuan.

Needless to say, I have never seen sauna packages (of the type we're talkin' about) advertised or for sale in Shekou. You have to get those is HK at the Sheung Wan HK/Macau Ferry Terminal.

TangZhen
02-25-07, 09:01
Before seeing Sicer's post, I got a bit of free time so I traveled down to Sha Zui to check on the status. I went it with not enough time to do any activities and did not know if there would be anything to buy. It was Saturday at about 6 PM, and as reported it is starting to come back a little. I would estimate that at that time it only had 5-10% of what it was before, but maybe they are very cautious about the time and as it gets later, the percentage goes up.

I was approaced by maybe 6 or 8 pimps, and saw maybe 20 to 25 girls available, but declined all.

I predict that it will return further, but not to what it was before. Quite a number of massage places and such have been converted already. Still at that early hour I noticed that the roller doors to the majority of places were shut even though it would be considered 'working hours'. I expect that the groups that run the shops have held onto them waiting for business to return to normal. There are maybe 4 KTV shops open, but maybe 8 that are closed. A couple are being remodeled and may reopen later.

It is not a big deal to go there now, as other places (Seibu) have more shops and are more active, but for me I am pretty happy as it is much easier for me to go to ShaZui. I totally agree with Sicer's observation that it is not for the newbe as it is a bit hard to find the right places and know how to deal with it. I would very much recommend not drawing too much attention to oneself.

Hk Live
02-26-07, 15:59
Ok guys, after all the help I got from you, I owe you a report.

I went to the BBS near the pink apts to look for this well famous soapy HJ. Well guess, what the shop was closed! Is it because it is a Monday? I do not know but the 3 or 4 shop on the left was closed (first ones were restaurants). So I kept on and stopped at a BBS almost at the end of that alley. 2 girls and 2 guys inside. I asked, they told me 35RMB for 40 min. Well I though it was 60min but what the hell, I went for it.

The girl I picked up took me to a little dark room. She turned on the TVon a crapy TV show, I guess it was to get some light. I undressed and laid down.

She started massaging me with average skill I must say. Then she started to touch my cock. I went under her t shirt to touch her breast. She was ok with it, I went under her bra, still ok. But when I asked her to remove it she asked for +35RMB (total damage 70). I said no and we kept on like this. Then she jerked me off quite fast and while rubbing my balls with her nails and making exciting noises. Damned, they know what they are doing.

I was concerned about getting a HJ from these girls because usually I do not cum easily but I have to say that quickly I came. She then dried me out and kept on for a while with a little massage while chatting (hand signals.).

After a few minutes, it was it which was ok with me as I got what I wanted.

Net, the jerking was good, the girl was very nice, happy to pleasure myself, and good HJ skill. However the massage was poor. I am not sure it lasted 40min.

HJ Report:
Girl: TaXing
Age: 20
From: PRC
Body: 8
Face: 6
Massage: 4
HJ: 8

I hope you liked the report.

Can anybody tell me where else one can get the soapy HJ?

Thanks

Dongguan Doug
02-26-07, 16:39
I've been living in China for a year now split between Shanghai and Shenzhen. I am huge fan of this forum and this is my first post.

While I was living in Shanghai I became a weekly visitor to JY and other saunas. I have researched the Shenzhen forum extensively but have been unable to find any recommendations for such identical or very similar establishments. I would appreciate your help in finding such places.

Shanghai1309

Dongguan Doug
02-26-07, 18:08
I've been living in China for a year now split between Shanghai and Shenzhen. I am huge fan of this forum and this is my first post.

While I was living in Shanghai I became a weekly visitor to JY and other saunas. I have researched the Shenzhen forum extensively but have been unable to find any recommendations for such identical or very similar establishments. I would appreciate your help in finding such places.

Shanghai1309

MegaPoint
02-27-07, 01:41
Ok guys, after all the help I got from you, I owe you a report.

I went to the BBS near the pink apts to look for this well famous soapy HJ. Well guess, what the shop was closed! Is it because it is a Monday?Unlikely to be closed any particular day of the week. I think it's either been closed period, or that it closed just because a lot of girls may have gone to their hometowns over CNY (official end of the 'Golden Week' is today, Tuesday 27 February, though the actually Lunar New Years period lasts for 40 days.) Try again when it's not the nation's biggest holiday.

Hk Live
02-27-07, 10:03
Ok thanks for the advice, I will try again next time I go there.

The experience was good though.

Does anybody know another place in Lowu with the service?


Unlikely to be closed any particular day of the week. I think it's either been closed period, or that it closed just because a lot of girls may have gone to their hometowns over CNY (official end of the 'Golden Week' is today, Tuesday 27 February, though the actually Lunar New Years period lasts for 40 days.) Try again when it's not the nation's biggest holiday.

Krum Lov
02-27-07, 11:16
megapoint and HKLive, i reported about ... 2-3 weeks ago that the fujian soapy HJ massage shop was closed. was hoping it was just for CNY but now looks like it could be permanent. hopefully megapoint is correct in saying they may still be away for CNY. i'll probably visit again within next 1-2 weeks, will let you know.

HKLive, which shop was it you tried exactly? you mean down the same road where closed soapy massage place is? was it the very last massage shop? wouldn't mind trying it. thnx.

Old Mean Dog
02-27-07, 11:55
Can anybody tell me where else one can get the soapy HJ?

Thanks

I am sure myself or my wingman know some massage girls that will give you a soapy HJ. Many places in SZ give HJ's, including Soapy, Oily, Natural (i.e. Dry), and probably with any condiment you can think of if the price is right.

If your seeking a Soap Job, send me a PM and I'll give you the a couple of numbers of massage girls who work on the side.

-SZE

Have you ever tried the play with your asshole, tug on your balls oily massage? That's good fun as well!

Old Mean Dog
02-27-07, 16:53
Was going to hook up with Love Asia this evening and go for a massage, but as fate would have it we had to reschedule so, with a chub in my pants and the gf not free, I called upon one of my wingman's girls.

Name: Fang Fang
Age: Chinese 19
Home: Hunan
Looks: I would say a solid 7
Body: Amazing 9, she is really short, but her body is top notch. Very clean, as you can see, she trims her kitten and armpits, clean smelling hair and breath.
Skills: 8, does it all but trys to rush
Perks: She speaks pretty good English
Damage: 200 plus taxi fare both ways

Certainly worth the yuan if your looking for a WG. I have her number and will give it out to members who contribute worthwhile posts.

-SZE

Higsbmw
02-28-07, 00:53
Awesome tiny thing.

Would love to try her out while in Shenzhen for a few weeks starting on Friday, staying at the Crowne Plaza.

Prince Darkness
02-28-07, 04:56
Was going to hook up with Love Asia this evening and go for a massage, but as fate would have it we had to reschedule so, with a chub in my pants and the gf not free, I called upon one of my wingman's girls.

Name: Fang Fang
Age: Chinese 19
Home: Hunan
Looks: I would say a solid 7
Body: Amazing 9, she is really short, but her body is top notch. Very clean, as you can see, she trims her kitten and armpits, clean smelling hair and breath.
Skills: 8, does it all but trys to rush
Perks: She speaks pretty good English
Damage: 200 plus taxi fare both ways

Certainly worth the yuan if your looking for a WG. I have her number and will give it out to members who contribute worthwhile posts.

-SZESzexpat,

Great Pictures. I noticed in the second picture, there is whey protein container. Did you get that in China. If so where? And is there a good gym in Shenzhen lowu area? Something similar to lifetime fitness with a lot of equipments. I usually stay around lizi park. I been to shenzhen many times, and everytime I stuff myself with BBQ pork and duck. 3 weeks later, I will be back in the US with extra 20 lbs and out of shape.

FlySpirit
02-28-07, 08:07
Hi Guys,

I'll be in Shezhen for a few days since next sunday, staying at the Shangi-la Hotel. Couls you please advise me some good places to have fun with nices girls. I've been talked about Queen Spa.

Tks a lot

Old Mean Dog
02-28-07, 08:08
Szexpat,

Great Pictures. I noticed in the second picture, there is whey protein container. Did you get that in China. If so where? And is there a good gym in Shenzhen lowu area? Something similar to lifetime fitness with a lot of equipments. I usually stay around lizi park. I been to shenzhen many times, and everytime I stuff myself with BBQ pork and duck. 3 weeks later, I will be back in the US with extra 20 lbs and out of shape.Thanks. I buy my supplements in Hong Kong at Nature's Village down at TST. I have not found a good place in Shenzhen that sells supp's and I have even heard of reports of chalk being used in creatine containers here.

There are several gyms in Shenzhen to choose from. There is a Physical Gym located behind JUSCO in Citic Plaza in Futian, there is another on the 5th floor of King Glory Plaza in Louhu, Kinking Gym which is next to the Panglin Hotel in Louhu, and one in the World Trade Plaza next to Polo Restaurant. Probably many others all over town.

-SZE

FlySpirit
02-28-07, 11:35
Hi Guys,

I'll be in Shenzhen this Sunday.

I would like to have good time with nice girls.

I'll stay at Shengri-la Hotel.

Do you have any nice place to recommend?

Thanks

Bnlee2
02-28-07, 21:22
Hi Guys,

I'll be in Shenzhen this Sunday.

I would like to have good time with nice girls.

I'll stay at Shengri-la Hotel.

Do you have any nice place to recommend?

Thanks


flyspirit

just some advice RTFF

if you do not understand what it means just go to abbreviations and find it.

if you follow the advice you will find what you are seeking.

have a great day.

MegaPoint
03-01-07, 01:58
Thanks. I buy my supplements in Hong Kong at Nature's Village down at TST. I have not found a good place in Shenzhen that sells supp's and I have even heard of reports of chalk being used in creatine containers here.-SZESzexpat is absolutely right. Every week here in HK there is a new story of some foodstuff being "faked" on the Mainland and sold as the real thing. Black moss (faat choi), a favorite at CNY, was found to be fake 34% of the time this year (it was made of what the Consumer Council called "carbohydrate and camel hair") and even the real stuff had a toxic preservative (BMAA) in it, which they said "may cause brain damage"! I read another article where fish maw was being made out of "dried rabbit ears" and sold to unsuspecting housewives, who discovered the deception when they noticed it had hair on it!!

God only knows what would go into supplements (and...sorry for getting off topic, bros.)

Lex Moon
03-01-07, 02:15
Hi Guys,

I'll be in Shenzhen this Sunday.

I would like to have good time with nice girls.

I'll stay at Shengri-la Hotel.

Do you have any nice place to recommend?

ThanksHi FlySpirit,

You are lucky to stay in Shangri-la hotel.

Lots of nice girls in the hotel.

Try your charm on them.

An easy to play with some US$100 bills in the lobby.

I am sure you will attract some excitement quickly.

Old Mean Dog
03-01-07, 03:35
Hi Guys,

I'll be in Shenzhen this Sunday.

I would like to have good time with nice girls.

I'll stay at Shengri-la Hotel.

Do you have any nice place to recommend?

Thanks

You see, there lies your problem; "GOOD time with NICE girls", these two don't go together, kinda like trying to stick the square peg in the round hole.

RTFF and don't post this rubbish TWICE. Simple

Dunnigan
03-01-07, 16:01
Has anyone ever stayed out there, and is anything going on besides golf?

OldAsiaHand
03-01-07, 17:30
It never ceases to amaze me!


Hi Guys,

I'll be in Shenzhen this Sunday.

I would like to have good time with nice girls.

I'll stay at Shengri-la Hotel.

Do you have any nice place to recommend?

Thanks

Moody
03-01-07, 18:31
I'll be in Shenzhen this Monday. I wanna know where I can have a good time.. if you know what I mean. Can somebody help me out???

ManonsanBoy
03-01-07, 20:44
Has anyone ever stayed out there, and is anything going on besides golf?

Mission Hills has very little P4P. You have to register any guests. Unless you are familiar with the place, you cannot get a girl in. Unless of course you are staying @ your own house or apartment. Then anything goes as security will not interfer.

ManonsanBoy
03-01-07, 20:48
Thanks. I buy my supplements in Hong Kong at Nature's Village down at TST. I have not found a good place in Shenzhen that sells supp's and I have even heard of reports of chalk being used in creatine containers here.

There are several gyms in Shenzhen to choose from. There is a Physical Gym located behind JUSCO in Citic Plaza in Futian, there is another on the 5th floor of King Glory Plaza in Louhu, Kinking Gym which is next to the Panglin Hotel in Louhu, and one in the World Trade Plaza next to Polo Restaurant. Probably many others all over town.

-SZE

Recent summary of research into supplements suggest they cause a 15 % INCREASE in all cause mortality amongst users. At the very least, they do no good. Save your money on viagra etc.

TangZhen
03-02-07, 08:59
Recent summary of research into supplements suggest they cause a 15 % INCREASE in all cause mortality amongst users. At the very least, they do no good. Save your money on viagra etc.Actually, I saw that study and it was rather flawed. It was in fact a review of previous studies and thus they were trying to use statistics to compare across significant differences in groups. One group was a study of elderly, which likely poorly correlates with a group of doctors.

Basically all you can say from that study is that taking anti-oxidants vitamins (A and C) are not a slam dunk for increased longevity. There was no review within that study of quality of life, mortality by disease type, etc. And certainly there was no mention of viagra, which I dont know about you, but I don't take it as a diet supplement!

ManonsanBoy
03-02-07, 10:57
What I meant to say was save your money FOR Viagra. The proof that these supplements do any good is very thin. However, do not let the facts get in the way of a good market. What has been shown across a number of studies is if you drink a little booze and have sex, you tend to live longer (but only a few months).

OldAsiaHand
03-02-07, 13:39
I was in Shenzhen last night and visited the Futian WalMart area. About 6-7 shops were open for business, but playing "cat and mouse" with the LE. I selected a girl for takeaway from a shop run by a mamasan I've known for years in the area. I went back to get my car and by the time I stopped in front of the shop, the girls were all hiding. I heard a voice outside and looked over my shoulder to find LE harrassing the mamasan just next to my car. Obviously I bolted in a hurry.

I managed to pull a SW from nearby Caitian Lu. The first time I drove by there were 2 motorcycle LE patrolling and no girls on the street. I went back later and saw 8-10 to choose from. Grabbed one from Nanjing and off we went. Service was excellent especially the BBBJ. About 50% of their customers only opt for a quick BJ in their cars so they become very skilled at this practice. Damages: 200 RMB to the hotel.

Later in the evening, I made the mistake of calling in-house massage service and she convinced me to pay 200 RMB for just a HJ. We can be real suckers when a sweet young attractive thing has our dicks in the hands.

Overall, I got the feeling that SZ is not a very safe place to monger anymore.


OAH

Nexus Masta
03-03-07, 12:13
After RTFF for some time now and trying to find a Sauna with some decent service, I stumbled over Kram1's report about the Petrel Hotel Sauna in Luohu.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=485261&highlight=Petrel+Hotel#post485261

I decided to check it out and went there. The Sauna is located on the 28 Floor of the Petrel Hotel (Haiyan Da Jiu Dian on Jiabin Road). The shower and Steam Bath facilities don't look too good,simply because they are quite old,so I took a quick shower and jumped into the PJ's. I opted not to go for a foot massage but rather went for a full body massage instead. I was led to a room which had a fairly large bed and waited for things to come.

After a few minutes two girls in short skirts showed up and I chose the one I liked, a girl from Dongbei who actually spoke some English. While she is giving me a rather mediocre massage she asks me what services I want, so I ask what service she is offering.She gave me two options with FS the second one. I take the FS option and ask her what the damage would be, she says it's 580, so I say ok. Then she asks me whether I would like to change to one of the VIP rooms with no extra charge, so I agree to that too.

She takes me to one room, but it seems to be occupied and tries to find a room which is empty. While she is checking all the rooms some of the other girls are walking down the corridor, so one of the girls, a nice looking more chubbier one with a nice rack, asks me whether I would like to go for two girls. I ask what the damage for that would be and she says it's 980.So, I say ok and wait in the slightly bigger VIP room. After a while one waitress comes in brings me a glass of water and four cups of warm and cold water. Aha, Fire and Ice is on the menu.

After a few minutes both girls come and take off their clothes. The Dongbei girl gives me a nice GFE while the other one provides a nice Fire & Ice. No BBBJ though, but ok.

The chubby one can't wait for the deed, so I do her missionary while the Dongbei girl lets me fondle with her rack and other parts. After a while it's Dongbei's turn and Chubby one let's me play with her breasts while I do her friend.

I decided to change position and did the Dongbei girl doggy-style, while Chubby lays down beside her and wants me to play with her rack.

After the deed is done we still have a few minutes chatting,with both girls extremely friendly and nice.

We chatted a little bit more and then I went to take another shower and go to pay the bill.

Total Damage RMB 980.
I know it'sa bit on the expensive side as compared to a BBS, but I presonally prefer Sauna's.I just feel a bit safer there. And hey, it was a nice threesome experience.

To get there:

It's really close to the train station, just take a cab and ask the driver to take you to Hai Yan Da Jiu Dian in Jiabin Road. The hotel entrance is in a side road from Jia Bin Road. In the hotel take the elevator to the 28th floor.

Dongbei Girl is Number 95 with a nice face, and what a body
Chubby is Number 2 and she really had a big rack.

Both girls were extremely sweet and friendly.

Cooler Wolf2
03-03-07, 12:45
Sorry for the late report. I’ve been having problems with laptop since I got back up north.

After having fun with Mei Mei (see earlier post), I decided to have some variety on my last night in Shenzhen.

Was on my way to check out the Seibu scene, when I was approached by a SW near the Panglin. While she was playful and friendly, she wasn’t the nicest looking around. I chose her on the basis of experience over looks and as it was still early, decided I could get a couple of rounds in that night.

We agreed on 350 for ST and headed to the hotel. On arrival, she quickly stripped down and then pushed me to invite her friend over. The more experienced guys here will know this as an old tactic.

She showed me photos of her friend (Yang Yang /English name is Tiffany) on her cell phone and while I generally do not like doing doubles, I gotta tell you – her friend looked smokin’ hot. Against my better judgment, I decided to go for it. She wouldn’t back down from 800 for both – what the hell, it was my last night.

We get on the bed and play around for about ten minutes while waiting for Tiffany to show up. Now she had turned into the hard professional type who just doesn’t understand the idea of a GFE. The playfulness had gone once we struck the deal. She was big on that really awful fake moaning. Even asking her to tone it down, she kept it up. Why on earth do some Chinese women think this is a turn-on?

Shortly, there’s a knock at the door. In walks Tiffany. Now I take notice. This girl is even better looking than her photo. I’ve been living in China for many years now and have fairly high standards but she was simply stunning.

OAH take note: This girl had an extraordinary rack! Real, firm, absolutely delicious.

She takes a two-minute shower, slips of her pants, sits on the bed, rolls on a condom and starts devouring my cock, all the time looking in my eye, smiling, occasionally licking her lips. Meanwhile, I’m just lying there with her buddy licking and nibbling my nipples, with a huge grin on my face.

Needless to say, I have lost all interest in the older partner (who is still fake-moaning! ). I slide down for some DATY on Tiffany. Nicely trimmed, reasonably tight, she keeps me at it, even when I try to pull away – she loves oral, got very heavily into it.

However, I did paid for two. I decide to warm up with her older friend, and took her missionary. Meanwhile, Tiffany is arching her back, offering me those delicious titties.

Now comes my favorite memory of the occasion. I’m screwing her friend when Tiffany looks up at me with a (practiced) salacious look in her eyes and says (in English):

"Ooh, you’re fucking my sister. You’re fucking my sister. "

After ten or fifteen minutes, I change condoms. Tiffany goes back down on me. This girl is VERY skilled, changing tempo, style etc very enthusiastic. Meanwhile her buddy is still attacking my nipples and moaning like she’s just had the cum of her life . Carried on in a variety of positions. Finished inside Tiffany. Glorious.

Thinking back to this, it was kinda bizarre. One totally hot, stunning looking, knew how to play the game, exuding sex appeal. The other, clearly more experienced, just wanted the quick shag, get out, and that moaning. Aargh!

Tiffany’s photo is posted below. I have her cell phone number too – though as a regular member, not sure how I can get it to you guys. The photo really doesn’t do her justice – a crappy camera and a crappy photographer;.)

Cheers Cooler

P.S. I didn’t take photos or get the number of her buddy, but trust me, you don’t want them anyway!

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Cooler Wolf2
03-03-07, 13:23
Photo of Yang yang/Tiffany re. last report

Looks: 9 the photo really does NOT do her justice, stunning girl.

Body: 9 if a little taller, she wouldve got the 10! Awesome rack, great ass, firm, athletic body, smooth, smooth skin. Her boobs are not lopsided (photo), think she maybe just got dressed quickly.

Skills: 8, only downgraded her as she wouldn't do BBBJ.

English: 3 (but what she does know will get your rocks off!)

Cost: 450 ST, expensive but I'm sure you could work something without her friend/playing solo.

Cooler Wolf2
03-03-07, 13:35
See my earlier report dated 02-17-07 at 02:30

May May is not an 'elegant' girl. She looks slutty, and is great fun in bed. If you like the dirty look, this is the girl for you ;-)

Cooler Wolf2
03-03-07, 19:38
Before I get a hard time from any of the other senior members about paying over the odds/pushing up prices etc., I paid 500RMB for 2 hours. My report didn't have all the details of our first encounter and didn't fully reflect the time we spent together.

Still expensive compared to the general scene, but I think its possibly harder to negotiate down when picking up in the bars rather than at the BBS areas.

Maybe/maybe not, but I'm sure you guys will put me right on that one ;-)

Cheers,

Cooler

OldAsiaHand
03-04-07, 12:36
Cooler,

Some of us negotiate better than others and it depends on the circumstances at the time, how desperate (horny) we are, etc. SW in LuoHu can be had for 200 RMB ST if you stay firm and are willing to walk away and deal direct with them, rather than through one of the mamas. The BBS girls are 150 RMB max onsite, maybe 200 RMB if you take them out. Saunas in SZ run from 300-700, inclusive depending on the joint. KTV is expensive.

Having said all that, I just had an interesting conversation with a SW about the subject. She claims that she provides service based on what she is paid. I told her that I've paid as little as 100 RMB for SW where I picked her up. She said she will accept it since she is in this for the money, but will "cheat" on the service e.g. "give 30 seconds of CBJ and refuse more, rather than 20 minutes of BBBJ for 200 RMB". Obviously, one does not want to pay more than the going rate, however, when you bargain too much, you may be the one getting fucked in the end. If I am quoted a ridiculous price, I just walk rather than even discuss the price with the provider. This is why I tend to patronize the places I know and they know me so price does not become an issue for discussion.

Just my POV.

OAH


Before I get a hard time from any of the other senior members about paying over the odds/pushing up prices etc., I paid 500RMB for 2 hours. My report didn't have all the details of our first encounter and didn't fully reflect the time we spent together.

Still expensive compared to the general scene, but I think its possibly harder to negotiate down when picking up in the bars rather than at the BBS areas.

Maybe/maybe not, but I'm sure you guys will put me right on that one ;-)

Cheers,

Cooler

Wadman
03-04-07, 15:58
...
She was big on that really awful fake moaning. Even asking her to tone it down, she kept it up. Why on earth do some Chinese women think this is a turn-on?
...


I just finished reading "Whispers and Moans", a book about prostitution in Hong Kong. Apparently Chinese girls think it's a turn on for Chinese men if they moan, the louder the better. So they moan. Not so much to give you better service, but to get the guy to finish quicker.

MegaPoint
03-05-07, 01:42
I just finished reading "Whispers and Moans", a book about prostitution in Hong Kong. Apparently Chinese girls think it's a turn on for Chinese men if they moan, the louder the better. So they moan. Not so much to give you better service, but to get the guy to finish quicker.

From HK Magazine, about two weeks ago:

"Preliminary results of a sex survey say that 34 per cent of Hong Kong women report having orgasms during sex. Sex expert Wong say some men mistake the exaggerated female responses in pornography as normal reactions and are frustrated by their partner's responses. Also, many [Hong Kong] women believe moaning is improper and supress the urge to do so in bed."

My experience is that Chinese women are typicaly less vocal than others (like Filipinas, who seem to be born with a soundtrack from Vivid Video hardwired into their brain...) If I hear a Chinese or Thai girl telling me "Yeah baby, come on! F**k me harder!!" I figure they've learned this from a DVD, or that they are a serious pro... but I'd add to Wadman's comment that women all over the world figure out pretty early on that the brain is the greatest sex organ, and all that noise-making drives guys crazy. IMHO.

TangZhen
03-05-07, 02:35
I used to visit a pro who always started out with a lot of fake oooh and aaaah's and it kind of bothered me, but since she was hot looking I found a way to put up with it :-) Over time though I came to believe that it was more her way of getting into it. She had maybe 50 customers a month and so it would be normal that a bit of burnout might occur and that she would need a bit of self encouragement to get it going well. The pattern was always the same, where she would start out with what I could tell was fake, but by the end it was real

If you want excessive moaning checkout Japanese porn which makes it seem that the girls are in agony.

Cooler Wolf2
03-05-07, 12:26
i used to visit a pro who always started out with a lot of fake oooh and aaaah's and it kind of bothered me, but since she was hot looking i found a way to put up with it :-) over time though i came to believe that it was more her way of getting into it. she had maybe 50 customers a month and so it would be normal that a bit of burnout might occur and that she would need a bit of self encouragement to get it going well. the pattern was always the same, where she would start out with what i could tell was fake, but by the end it was real

if you want excessive moaning checkout japanese porn which makes it seem that the girls are in agony.except in this case it was kinda 'comedy' fake moaning. gyrating with wooh's (woohs, not oohs!) and ahh's before i had even touched her or gotten onto the bed.

you know what i mean - we've all seem those bad 70's or 80's porno's where the solo girl is rubbing her titties and moaning like a peepshow girl on slo-mo.

now i'm not exactly green at this game. i was in the mood, her buddy was incredibly skilled and sexy, and there i was trying to keep a straight face! kinda puts you off the main task at hand!

maybe i should have shot a short vidcap and put it on the photo gallery as a warning to all you out there.

cooler

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03-06-07, 06:56
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OldAsiaHand
03-07-07, 05:36
It was Moody's first day back so we decided to hit Las Vegas. If you are looking for 9/10 stock, this is not currently the place for it. Most we saw were in the 7 range max.

I was only going to stay for one drink, but being Moody’s first night back, I decided to stay on and party. I selected a Dongbei girl who I thought had a big rack. After all the padding was removed, it was just average. She was very friendly in the KTV room, but Wadman warned me that this can be misleading when compared to what happens in your room.

The normal pattern developed. We all drank too much, played that silly dice game with the girls, and proceeded to make fools of ourselves with the microphones. This is what makes the KTV experience what it is.

Anyway, back to Miss Dongbei. The first thing she asked when we got to my room was what time she could leave. Not a good start. She did give me a nice bubble bath in the tub and I thought we might be headed in a good direction. On the bed, she was more concerned with getting serviced than servicing. After a bit of DATY (broke my rule again) and reluctant BBBJ, she laid back and spread her legs. Afterwards, I did her doggy and asked her to put her boots back on for my favorite fetish over the side of the bed. To cut a long story short, the whole experience was average at best. Unfortunately, my expectations in this price range are higher, but I am always disappointed to find that service/quality is not proportionate to what you pay. And Wadman was right, the KTV personality does not necessarily extend to your room.

To top it off, I was told the system was 300/1,000/1,500 only to find her demanding 1,200 for ST. I called the mommy and she sided with the girl of course. To avoid any hassle, I handed over the extra 200 and she left.

Its back to BBS and SW for me! Having said that, KTV is really not about the girls. It is a great way to hang out with old friends and have a great time which we accomplished. I am sure I will do it again soon.

OAH

LoveAsia
03-07-07, 19:57
OAH,

There is a nice KTV in the Hengang area that is reasonable for take out. Last time I was there 500RMB for a KTV girl ST.

I know you guys have been making the trip to CP but Buji and Hengang are closer, you might want to give it a try sometime.

LA

Old Mean Dog
03-09-07, 04:28
For me, if I have the money, I won't limit myself to eating at McDonald's everyday.

Now I know why I'm so damn fat, I eat at McDonald's too much!

OldAsiaHand
03-09-07, 06:29
What Moody says is true. 1,000+ RMB for ST is the market KTV rate in SZ. 500 RMB is the KTV market rate in DG.

Are KTV girls better than BBS girls?

Probably not in bed once you have their clothes off. Just better packaging, environment, make-up, social skills, etc. And, ST is really 5-6 hours when you consider the time spent in the KTV room.

Is it worth it?

Probably not when compared with other options e.g. BBS, SW, Sauna, etc. for sex only. Some added value for the whole KTV experience. Some mongers do not like to walk into a place, pick a girl and do her on the spot. They like to warm up and get to know the girl a little first. KTV offers this scenario.


You just have to pay what the market will bear. I've paid as cheap as 30 RMB in the catacombs in CP and US$1,100 for a porn star in NYC.


Just my POV.

OAH



No ripoff.... It's just different. As anyone who has met me can attest, I know what the price for stuff is. That said, I've paid as little as 80RMB in Jiangsu, and up to 10,000RMB in Shanghai. Different markets, different presentations and of course, different girls. For 80RMB, you get a quick fuck in a dingly little room with no air conditioner. For 10,000RMb, you get something out of your fantasies and believe me when I say this, it was worth every single fen. You decide how much variety of life experiences are worth to you. If you're happy with 150RMB girls every night, then that's great. More power to you. For me, if I have the money, I won't limit myself to eating at McDonald's everyday.

TangZhen
03-09-07, 09:15
Got out to check out a few of the former favorite places to see on recovery progress. Unfortunately I would have to say the results were disappointing. First I went to Sha Zui at about 5 PM. Basically no girls in shops but a number just wandering about. Approached by a couple of mamas and finally settled on a mama who seemed pretty nice. She took me up to a room and brought a girl up. Normally I would have passed on the girl due to looks, but seeing as I had not seen any downstairs, and she was passable looking, I thought I would give her a try. Unfortunately, she was about a 5 on looks and that turned out to be her best feature. Basically she was uncomfortable with any other than simple intercourse. Kissing - no, breast massage - no, in fact just about everything was no, so I will call her miss No. After a nominal 150 blown on her, I chatted with the mama who said if I would give her a call a good hour before, she would have a better selection. I understood as the hours there seem to have shifted quite a bit.

Seeing as I still had a bit of time, I went over to the old Jusco area, and took a look around. It's depressing. about 8 girls, average at best standing in the back alleyway. Thats it. All were pretty average, though 1 girl would have been passable if I had not already had sex with a passable girl. So naturally enough I passed. If in the area and looking for sex, I think next time I will go to the area behind the Oriental Regent hotel. I have not been there for a while, but a month or two ago, there were like 8 shops open in the middle of the day. The Seibu area is ok, and has a few more shops, but Dong Men is such a bother to get in and out of and I dont like to waste the time.

I hope that the mama will set me up with a girl that matches my standards and I can find a steady that way in Sha Zui. Closer and much easier to get to.

Harmsuploe
03-10-07, 04:59
No ripoff.... It's just different. As anyone who has met me can attest, I know what the price for stuff is. That said, I've paid as little as 80RMB in Jiangsu, and up to 10,000RMB in Shanghai. Different markets, different presentations and of course, different girls. For 80RMB, you get a quick fuck in a dingly little room with no air conditioner. For 10,000RMb, you get something out of your fantasies and believe me when I say this, it was worth every single fen. You decide how much variety of life experiences are worth to you. If you're happy with 150RMB girls every night, then that's great. More power to you. For me, if I have the money, I won't limit myself to eating at McDonald's everyday.Moody,

I'm a bit curious about your 10,000 RMB experience. Would you care to share any info, approximate or detailed? I, too, crave foie gras and truffles from time to time.

OldAsiaHand
03-10-07, 11:45
The porn star was $500/hour, 2 hour minimum for outcall. She wanted an extra $100 to use my credit card. I found her on an escort website. She had the biggest rack I ever saw. Unfortunately, I did not get it on film, but I might be afraid of what they could do with the film if I did that.

OAH



Wow, you and Moody have shelled out some big bucks!! But if you have a large enough disposable income that can allow for this type of spending, then more power to you.

Just curious about the porn star girl. Some porn stars these days get $800-$1200US for shooting a scene. Sure some less and some more. Did you manage to get your time with this girl laid down on film? If you did then it would be money well spent!

Csun213
03-11-07, 06:38
I too have paid a lot for a girl once in Japan (about $1000). Had to do it in front of customers as not to lose face. Did not know how much it was going to be until the end of the night but everyone else seems to know that is the going rate. Did not have a good time because I spent too much time kicking myself for getting into this situation :-( Tried to have a good time but the mind keep coming back to GOD, I AM PAYING $1000 FOR THIS GIRL.

Globotto
03-11-07, 12:21
Shenzhen has some really cute girls. Exactly how to find such nice girls for a bit of nookie in sprawling Shenzhen is quite a task for a newbie especially due to language barriers as english is not widely spoken there.
I did have a friend with me that speaks excellent mardarin but is a bit bashfull
about mongering. We walked all around central and ate some excellent and cheap food then ended up at a sauna where he explained that i could easily get a "special massage" as "they all offer them". Oh contrar.
Of course they did not want to turn down the opportunity to gouge a stupid foreigner 590rmb to have the one girl they had on staff who i was not able to meet but was being coerced to accept. I declined and opted to for a 68rmb
massage in the same room as my friend so we could chat. In any respect the word was out on me and his massuse was flirting and laughing at me about my task. Then in mandarin she explained to my friend that they dont offer such service there and that china is the best place and very fun and that he should get me a nice girl in Shenzhen. My reply to my interpreter was "ask her where to go?". She said Shung Shah was the best place and that it is easy to get a girl in Shung Shah. The next day after a bit more walking around i convinced my friend to bee line to Shung Shah. There are a few saunas there and the one i picked offered a speak easy style tour for a special 300rmb massage i.e. nookie. I thought they could do better than the first girl they brought in so i gestured to bring more around and that they did.
Of the 3 i picked the one that suited my fancy and looked like she had incentive i.e. the hottest one of the 3 looked like she was disgusted.
In ant respect i was extremly happy with Lu Lu she was 20y.o. very cute.
She worked my me so well. We did the reverse program instead of a shower i figured i would enjoy my 2 hours with a bit of romance which included keeping our cloths on as i felt and pulled at her and we exchanged kisses around the face and neck. Then a bit of dropping my hand down her shirt ensued and giggles. This went on for 20 minutes until the passion levels tweaked and her gasping let me know i had a green light for a little more
heavier play and decent exposure followed by walk the dog and an orange flavored condom lollypop. Clothes became half on half off and the fondest memory was LuLu riding on top off me with her stilletto heels digging into my thighs. Splendid. After that we took a shower together and i got a standing soapie. Then she serenaded my with chinese songs that she sang along with on the TV. She sang beautifully. I have a new found appreciation of the music.
My friend later tells me that Shung Shah is not safe a he chooses not to go back. Nevermind i went alone and a re-run with my lovely LuLu.
Does anyone have any info on Shung Shah on how dangerous it is?

OldAsiaHand
03-11-07, 12:54
Globotto:

Nothing in SZ is 100% safe in light of recent crackdowns nowadays, but I reckon you are as safe as you can get in Shang Sha. Most of these places pay for intelligence and are forewarned of any LE interference. As you may have read, Sha Tsui has been all but shut down except for most of the massage places and they still offer FS as recent as last week I am told. I've not patronized them myself in quite some time. Tips are usually 200 RMB in these joints on top of the standard fee, but I don't think 300 RMB will spoil the market that much.

Happy Hunting!

OAH





Shenzhen has some really cute girls. Exactly how to find such nice girls for a bit of nookie in sprawling Shenzhen is quite a task for a newbie especially due to language barriers as english is not widely spoken there.
I did have a friend with me that speaks excellent mardarin but is a bit bashfull
about mongering. We walked all around central and ate some excellent and cheap food then ended up at a sauna where he explained that i could easily get a "special massage" as "they all offer them". Oh contrar.
Of course they did not want to turn down the opportunity to gouge a stupid foreigner 590rmb to have the one girl they had on staff who i was not able to meet but was being coerced to accept. I declined and opted to for a 68rmb
massage in the same room as my friend so we could chat. In any respect the word was out on me and his massuse was flirting and laughing at me about my task. Then in mandarin she explained to my friend that they dont offer such service there and that china is the best place and very fun and that he should get me a nice girl in Shenzhen. My reply to my interpreter was "ask her where to go?". She said Shung Shah was the best place and that it is easy to get a girl in Shung Shah. The next day after a bit more walking around i convinced my friend to bee line to Shung Shah. There are a few saunas there and the one i picked offered a speak easy style tour for a special 300rmb massage i.e. nookie. I thought they could do better than the first girl they brought in so i gestured to bring more around and that they did.
Of the 3 i picked the one that suited my fancy and looked like she had incentive i.e. the hottest one of the 3 looked like she was disgusted.
In ant respect i was extremly happy with Lu Lu she was 20y.o. very cute.
She worked my me so well. We did the reverse program instead of a shower i figured i would enjoy my 2 hours with a bit of romance which included keeping our cloths on as i felt and pulled at her and we exchanged kisses around the face and neck. Then a bit of dropping my hand down her shirt ensued and giggles. This went on for 20 minutes until the passion levels tweaked and her gasping let me know i had a green light for a little more
heavier play and decent exposure followed by walk the dog and an orange flavored condom lollypop. Clothes became half on half off and the fondest memory was LuLu riding on top off me with her stilletto heels digging into my thighs. Splendid. After that we took a shower together and i got a standing soapie. Then she serenaded my with chinese songs that she sang along with on the TV. She sang beautifully. I have a new found appreciation of the music.
My friend later tells me that Shung Shah is not safe a he chooses not to go back. Nevermind i went alone and a re-run with my lovely LuLu.
Does anyone have any info on Shung Shah on how dangerous it is?

Bull Shot
03-11-07, 16:06
Swung by the pink apts (official name: Luohu Village) yesterday looking for the recommend soapie. This is my first at the pinks, and mamasan (several walking around the entrance) must have noticed right away. One got to me saying that her place was on the 1st floor, that I could choose among a number of girls, and if I didn't like any, then I can just walk. It would run $100 plus $20 for her. I was still a bit apprehensive. I was there for a soapie, but then I thought, what the hell, it won't cost any to take a look.

Of the three that mamasan brought, one was a cutie. As I looked and selected her, I saw defiance and melancholy. This was even more apparent once we were in the room alone, and I saw her up and close (I knew there and then that that would be it). She started out inquiring about taking a shower first. I looked at her and said is there something about me you don't like? She, of course, said no. To which I replied, you look like you don't want to do this at all (now I realize what a fool of me to think that she would be happy or at least indifferent in being able to profit from another customer). She then remained silent.

Guys (and gals), here is what has been on my mind this past day and a half. I've finally found time to sit down and write and share it with you. The way she looked, and the expressions she evoked as she spoke gave me no hint of doubt that it was all true.

I asked her to sit down and said that all I want was to talk with her, and that I would pay her all the same. She did not half believe me, so I said again. You look miserable. I can see that you don't want to do this. I would just like to talk to you and understand why. When the time is up, I will pay you all the same (by now I was so very curious and wanting to know, and continued to press until she finally opened up). She was schemed into prostitution, and what I deem a sex slave.

She is 17 and from some village in Hunan. A couple of month back a villager was back there promising that he could line up work at a factory in Shenzhen paying $1000RMB per month. This is considered a significant sum. She, along with her parents, signed up for 6-months contract. Once she arrived, she was forced into what she does today. She needs to service at least 6-7 customers a day or take a verbal and sometimes physical (slap) beating. She cannot believe that a fellow villager had done this. She called him a chicken head. This roughly translates to a pimp (chicken = slang for ***** in Chinese). Of the $120 she gets paid per customer, the mamasan get $50 for the finders fee and room. The pimp takes the remaining $70. If she gets any extra tip, he will take that as well. He searches them regularly to see if they have hidden extras and will beat them if he finds any.

(On this issue, the girls there seemed to have developed a counter-measure. She said that are a couple of trustworthy (proven) senior wgs that are not controlled by pimps or others who will secretly help save and hold money when approached. Still, there is the risk of being found out beforehand.)

The notion of the pimp taking all the pay didn't make sense. What about her portion? She was getting nothing? Then it hit me. She is under contract. Her salary is $1000 per month. Any pay she gets belongs to the pimp.

I tell her you were duped into this. I know you get watched, but you can surely slip away and get on a bus and head home. To which she replies, he has taken everything, my ID, cloth, everything. I say, it doesn't matter. Make whatever money you need to travel home and go. You don't need the rest. She says my parents don't know I am doing this. I call home every week and lie to them. If I leave, the pimp (fellow villager) will come back and tell them and the whole village. I wouldn't have a chance for marriage after that, and everyone would forever know that I had been a *****... my contract is for 6-months, lucky in a sense compared to some who signed up for a-year or more.

I was a virgin when I came. The first time was with someone who paid $5000. That's how much it cost. The pimp took it all. That experience was not a cent plus a bit of hurt down there. (Guys, since this is a board for mongering, a virgin can be had at the pinks. If you don't speak the language, you will need someone to help you negotiate with the papasans. If not by you, it will be by some other prick, so fair game.)

There was defiance in her eyes when I first saw her, and as she told her story. The pimp had beaten her when she dared speak out against him at the beginning. I said you still speak out, right? But only up to the point where you know if you say anymore, you will get a beating, correct? She nodded. Good... she is smart. I hope she can continue to dig deep and stay strong. This is what will pull her through.

As we came close to the end, she said you are a nice person, and I want to tell you this. I have picked up something down there. Whether it's because I got it from another girl, because our underwears and hanged together, or someone, I don't know. If you don't believe me, I can show you the white growths I have down there (I didn't look. I assume this is HPV). We get checked by a doctor once a week, and he says I have it. He says 80% of the girls working at the pinks have it. The treatment is a shot and burning it off (sometimes even cutting the infected area off). Some girls have gotten treated 2-3 times, and it still hasn't go away. Guys that come in here treating me like crap, saying do this do that, I just go ahead and do it with them. (For me, this was like getting hit by a 2x4 from the blind spot. I must have turned a shade whiter as she was talking about this. If she noticed, she didn't say anything. I count my lucky stars for having chatted her up.)

Guys, be safe.

Bull

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Adventur
03-12-07, 04:10
[QUOTE=Bull Shot]S As I looked and selected her, I saw defiance and melancholy. This was even more apparent once we were in the room alone, and I saw her up and close (I knew there and then that that would be it). She started out inquiring about taking a shower first. I looked at her and said is there something about me you don't like? She, of course, said no. To which I replied, you look like you don't want to do this at all (now I realize what a fool of me to think that she would be happy or at least indifferent in being able to profit from another customer). She then remained silent.

Guys (and gals), here is what has been on my mind this past day and a half. I've finally found time to sit down and write and share it with U. The way she looked, and the expressions she evoked as she spoke gave me no hint of doubt that it was all true.

I asked her to sit down and said that all I want was to talk with her, and that I would pay her all the same. She did not half believe me, so I said again. You look miserable. I can see that you don't want to do this. I would just like to talk to you and understand why. When the time is up, I will pay you all the same (by now I was so very curious and wanting to know, and continued to press until she finally opened up). She was schemed into prostitution, and what I deem a sex slave.

As we came close to the end, she said you are a nice person, and I want to tell you this. I have picked up something down there. Whether it's because I got it from another girl, because our underwears and hanged together, or someone, I don't know. If you don't believe me, I can show you the white growths I have down there (I didn't look. I assume this is HPV). We get checked by a doctor once a week, and he says I have it. He says 80% of the girls working at the pinks have it. The treatment is a shot and burning it off (sometimes even cutting the infected area off). Some girls have gotten treated 2-3 times, and it still hasn't go away. Guys that come in here treating me like crap, saying do this do that, I just go ahead and do it with them. (For me, this was like getting hit by a 2x4 from the blind spot. I must have turned a shade whiter as she was talking about this. If she noticed, she didn't say anything. I count my lucky stars for having chatted her up.)

Guys, be safe.

Bull

[QUOTE=Bull Shot]S

Amazing story and believable!

Of course let's not post anything for the under 'xyztiens ' that can get you and the board in trouble>

I feel bad saying this as an entire life gets burnt out there!

Guys. Do not go for the under 20s. Say that loud and clear to the mamasans (someone post info on how to say this? ) and maybe the market forces will make a change. BUT of course not all of you will. And that is OK too.

Have fun but be safe. Take care of yourself and others.

==============================================

Hi Adventur,

It appears that you inadverently forgot to correctly place the quote tags in this report. Usually I can fix this sort of thing before it's displayed, but I don't have a clue as to how you intended this report to appear.

The quote tags are simple to use, all you have to do is look for them in the text. Anything that you want to appear in quotes must start with "[quote]" and end with "[/quote ]". It's that simple.

In addition, you can preview your report before it's posted, so it's easy to check if you got it right before it's displayed in The Forum.

Thanks,

Jackson

Bnlee2
03-12-07, 04:38
Bull

Nice write up. it is indeed a sad story. I and some friends two years ago ran into a similar situation in Dongguan. I saw it in her eyes that she was telling the truth. To make a long story short, gave her some $$ and help her get out of there and got her a job and education (school) in SZ.

best

Old Mean Dog
03-12-07, 05:02
Bull Shot,

that is a very interesting story, thank you for your insight. Personally, I don't think many members on this board, to include myself, are shocked or even surprised at this story, we all know this happens every day in every city in China.

I doubt many of the girls that are working in these places, want to be there, many of them are forced into it through total control of a papa or a momma or out of basic human surival. Our "hobby" is somewhat dangerous and one that affects other human lives, both mentally and physically.

I have heard these stories too, and tried to even help two girls who I thought was sincere with me, let me tell you my story about one;

She is from Hubei, her family is very poor, her mother died when she was only 15 years old and her father only makes 3,000 rmb a year, with her mother gone and one less income in the family, her father made her drop out of school to find some work because he said he could only take care of her younger brother. A Hong Kong guy found her and offered to take her under his wing, offering her a good life and money to help her family, the father accepted.

She was initially wisked away to Shenzhen where the man took her ID card and her virginity, essentially making her his sex slave. He had a small one room apartment for her that she shared with two other very young girls that were also his slaves, just giving her enough money to get by on, of which she sent 100 rmb a month back to her father, the same man who put her in this situation.

After 6 months of this, she fled and ended up in CP, doing the only thing she knew how to do to earn money. All this in her life before reaching the age of 17 years old. She is still out in CP and is under a "good" mommy that takes care of her, but she is still required to work. She is now learning English and trying to find another job and wants to get out of the business. I now try to help her out and give her a little extra money without her giving me anything in return except her friendship.

Why do WE monger? Why get involved in this hobby, especially when we know that many of the girls are just like these two? Are we contributing to the problem when we go to the "Pink Apts", Seibu, CP or any other place in search of sex? I do not know the answer to this, except it is our basic male desire to have any girl we want, even if it comes at a price.

Should we turn a blind eye and just convince ourselfs that we are better or luckier and that somehow we actually care about these girls? Will these girls stories stop you from mongering or will you continue in your pursuit for sex?

I convince myself to only look at the surface and try not to dig under it, which, I guess, makes me just as guilty as the pappa or momma that controls these girls. What's the answer? what is the right thing to do? Do we already know the answers to these questions....

I found this webpage by the US Government, that talks about this situation: http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/ceos/sextour.html

Regards for such an insightful report.

Be Safe,
SZE

Laowai123
03-12-07, 05:35
@ Bull Shot

Thanks for this report!

It supports me to keep some similar experiences in mind.

In case you stay longer in CN/SZ and you want to support her, there is a possibility to do it:
Every time time you want to have a gal, don't go and put the amount of money you would have spent into a bank account. From time to time, you go to her shop take her, don't do her, tell her that she should contact you before she leaves. When she contacts you, go with her to the bank and hand over the money - best would be at teh moment she really leaves SZ and in a moment nobody else is watching you both, we never know. Of course you should start this after you have her phone number and you should tell her something in the way, that there is something waiting for her before she leaves to support her life after SZ.
No question that this requires to bring your sex urge under control. Maybe after this experience you are also able to do it.

m2c

LW

Bnlee2
03-12-07, 05:38
Bull Shot,

that is a very interesting story,
She is from Hubei, her family is very poor, her mother died when she was only 15 years old and her father only makes 3,000 rmb a year, with her mother gone and one less income in the family, her father made her drop out of school to find some work because he said he could only take care of her younger brother. A Hong Kong guy found her and offered to take her under his wing, offering her a good life and money to help her family, the father accepted.

She was initially wisked away to Shenzhen where the man took her ID card and her virginity, essentially making her his sex slave. He had a small one room apartment for her that she shared with two other very young girls that were also his slaves, just giving her enough money to get by on, of which she sent 100 rmb a month back to her father, the same man who put her in this situation.

SZE

When i started working in China more, this situation bothers me a lot. i never force anyting on the girls. I try to find the ones that were enthusiastic about their work. if i encounter one that they were shy, i usually tries to ask them. I have ran into my share of these types and most of the time, i just sit down and chat with them and let them go after about an hour or so.

In the beginning it was hard to get it out of my mind. These days i just tries not to get attach with any of the girls that i meet.

Weelock
03-12-07, 08:47
Hello Globotto,

For member, I see only Guest, Viewing, Regular, Senior and Subscriber. Oh, I almost forget about Admin. Can you tell me what's a "Tour Guide". You're a "Tour Guide".

I was looking for other posts for Shung Shah. Later I asummed you meant, Shang Sha?

Thanks...

MegaPoint
03-12-07, 12:20
When i started working in China more, this situation bothers me a lot. i never force anyting on the girls. I try to find the ones that were enthusiastic about their work. if i encounter one that they were shy, i usually tries to ask them. I have ran into my share of these types and most of the time, i just sit down and chat with them and let them go after about an hour or so.

In the beginning it was hard to get it out of my mind. These days i just tries not to get attach with any of the girls that i meet.

I have to agree with Bnlee2. One can think too hard about some issues. One quick walk through an abbatoir will turn many people into vegetarians.

China is a country which, despite what you see SZ, and what you read in the papers, is a poor country with an enormous (and growing) wealth gap. The economy may be booming, but it trickles down to only a fraction of its giant population. What about all that bad debt, I often wonder? What about all those fugitive bankers and businessmen (and -women)? Today there was a report in the HK paper about how many of China's universities are teetering on the brink of bankruptcy, from having expanded too fast and having no controls on the administration. There's money, but no one, it seems, really knows how to handle it.

There are other ways of living degraded lives besides prostitution, and a lot of these girls have probably exchanged one set of fetters for another. How many people who write to this board have been to a village in Hunan? It's sad, but in a country with too much loose cash, no controls on things that count, and endemic corruption, the situation we are bemoaning is bound to happen.

I also feel great sympathy for the girls I am with in China (and elsewhere.) But I do have to remind myself sometimes that I am a part-time monger who occasionally masquerades as a social worker, and not the other way around.

Just my two fen...

Bull Shot
03-12-07, 13:02
to all those who replied and provided valuable feedback and insight to the pink apts - story, my thanks.

the thing is that is was so shocking, so very unexpected. i have only but started my mongering days a couple months back shortly after stumbling upon this forum. i took the due diligence to rtff. who knew that it could be so easy, so affordable, and little to no risk of getting caught.

there are countless reports of exploits and prowess. you know, that could be me there. all i need to do is find time and get on a bus and get myself invited to join the party. the mamasan and her girls will smile and giggle happily as we come by. i would get myself a beaut and pop her once. she would be wild and horny. i would find myself waking up at 3-4 am with a bbbj. we would top it off once again in the morning. man, i have been missing all this... and then before any of this comes to fruition, the pink happens.

i had construed that the wgs chose to do what they did. yes, they may each have different reasons, family debt, poor home with many mouths to feed, etc, but they went into this with complete understanding, and they get compensated well. say, a 'lazy' girl only averages doing it once a day. at an earning of 100rmbs per, she's making 3000 a month. this is 3-5 times your average shenzhen factory work who toils in overtime. granted, she sells her body, still, it is by choice, and there is fair compensation. mongering has always been and will alway be.

what has dampen my spirit so is that the pink girl is not there by choice. what would be worse than having to be forced to have sex 6-7 times a day with different men? would you go as far as to say that she is being raped 6-7 times a day? if we take that she does 200 customers a month, her compensation will be 5rmb per. (had she only know and chose to be a wg, she could be taking in 20k a month.)

perhaps one of these days, just perhaps... 'socially responsible mongering'...

bull

OldAsiaHand
03-12-07, 13:44
I just don't think about it either. I've heard so many stories over the years, some of them true, others just bullshit to get sympathy, that I don't pay any attention anymore. I just go for the service and don't want to hear about it. You just take the good with the bad.

Just my POV.

OAH

Sicer
03-12-07, 16:31
salutations to all:

i was feeling in a bit of a celebratory mood last saturday night, so i decided to make a trip up to shen zhen for some entertainment. i ended up staying for a while, and getting some good comparable information about four different areas.

first i took the kcr train from hk to lowu, and did a bit of shopping there. then i walked over to lowu village (the ‘pink apartments’) to check out the scene. at about 5pm, there were maybe 20 girls in front of the bbses, but none that caught my fancy. additionally, this area has the worst upstairs facilities that i have encountered in sz, usually lacking hot water or towels, so i usually give it a miss unless something outstanding catches my eye. sadly, that is rare.

then, armed with a map and directions from this board, i caught a taxi to the seibu area. it turns out i was really close and should have just walked, but it was my first time, and i didn’t really know where i was going, so the taxi was best. however, it seems that i was actually in this area a month or two back, but didn’t realize it. at that time there was only one shop open (maybe some sort of crackdown) so i didn’t really pay attention to where i was. but this time things were considerably different. there were about 15 shops open at about 6pm, with perhaps 5 to 6 girls in most of them, and many very nicely done up for display. i strolled around a bit to assess the talent and eventually ended up doing three girls here, one at a time, for 150rmb each. the girls were really lovely china dolls, but the rooms suck almost as badly as the lowu village area. to me this area now has the nicest girls, in a compact area, but the second worst rooms; you can’t have everything i guess! perhaps someone could advise me as to a suitable cheap hotel close by that might make the whole experience better?

as it was still early, i moved on to the hu bei xin area, just a short 15 minute walk to the north east. i had stopped for dinner on the way, and it was about 9pm at this time. many shops were open, but only a few girls were out. perhaps 15 shops, each with 2 or 3 sleepy girls. this area is fairly spread out, so i walked around quite a bit to check out the talent. i was looking to do a few, but unbelievably, about 4 girls turned me down! a very rare occurrence, and it did not impress me one bit. luckily, i found a very sweet girl with a big smile, best of the night! last time i paid 200rmb here, but this time i just told the mama 150rmb, and she just accepted it. the rooms in this area are only marginally better than the seibu area, and i ended up in an apartment that seemed to be more like a dorm than a residence, with a few other girls sleeping in makeshift partitioned rooms while i was busy in the real bedroom. good thing i’m not shy!

it was getting late, and time to move on, so i caught a taxi (35rmb) over to sha tsui. at about 12am, it was very quiet here, sad to see this area so run down. 6 months ago, a saturday night in sha tsui was a life-changing experience, but now there are very few girls, no pink lights and dark alleys. however, they do have the nicest rooms of all the areas i visited, but really, that’s not saying much as i wouldn’t actually want to live in any of them! i have previously made a connection here with a mama, and she did surprise me this night. she managed to pull out of her phone three girls who i was quite happy with, 150rmb each, one by one. unfortunately, by the time i got to the third one (my seventh for the night) i was far too pooped to pop. due to taking a cialis that afternoon, the flesh was willing, but i guess my limit is six!

still, on my way to the taxi home, i was struck by the sight of a girl who was a dead ringer for an old girlfriend back in japan, and i seriously considered staying for a bit longer; it seems the little head is quite powerful, even when nearly dead! this last girl was in a massage place, and the guy out front told me 200 for everything, including the girl. as i have never been in a mp before, and i didn’t really trust him, i took a pass. it was after 2am by his time; was this the real price? at 200, i may go back someday to find that girl again.

i caught a taxi back to the border, then the bus back to wanchai. i was so beat that i didn’t even look into any of the clubs there. the navy was in town, and the atmosphere changes too much for me, so i just went home to my sweet dreams of the sweet girls of sz.

so in summary:
all girls 150rmb each
general quality of girls best to worst: seibu, sha tsui, hu bei xin, lowu
general quality of rooms best to worst: sha tsui, hu bei xin, seibu, lowu
next time i will try to include jusco on the route, just for the sake of research!

your mileage may vary, but have fun comparison shopping! sicer.

editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

ManonsanBoy
03-12-07, 20:47
Salutations to all:

.................

So in summary:
All girls 150RMB each
General quality of girls best to worst: Seibu, Sha Tsui, Hu Bei Xin, Lowu
General quality of rooms best to worst: Sha Tsui, Hu Bei Xin, Seibu, Lowu
Next time I will try to include Jusco on the route, just for the sake of research!

Your mileage may vary, but have fun comparison shopping! Sicer.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.


You had 6 orgasms? Cialis gives you the ability to have a hard on but...............

Bill Lee
03-12-07, 21:41
I think most of us feel the same way. It's better sometimes to look the other way.

But we probably would all walk away if there was indication of forced service involved.

Bill


I just don't think about it either. I've heard so many stories over the years, some of them true, others just bullshit to get sympathy, that I don't pay any attention anymore. I just go for the service and don't want to hear about it. You just take the good with the bad.

Just my POV.

OAH

Bnlee2
03-12-07, 21:56
I think most of us feel the same way. It's better sometimes to look the other way.

But we probably would all walk away if there was indication of forced service involved.

Bill

bill

i have given the money and walk away quite a few times. forcing a person against their will is wrong. i have also walk several to a bus station, pay for the ticket, give them a few dinero and watch them go and hope to they get back to safety. I have even help three get a job at a colleagues' factory. sometimes it is just hard not to do anything. i just wish them all the best from my heart and soul. It is hard sometimes not to feel for them.

Bnlee2
03-13-07, 03:36
This January me a group of friends were at a ktv and we were talking with some of the gals asking where they were from and why? Most of the story were that they were here so that they can send money back home to help out either sending a brother or sister through school, helping out the family and extended family or a family tragedy. This is what lot of them will tell you. I think most of them are too embarass to tell you that they were tricked into prostitution.

There was one cute 20 year old, she said flat out that a friend told her that she could earn two hundred dollar sitting fee just to have drinks, play bar games, sing karoake, eat and have a good time with businessmen. It was her choice if she wants to leave with them afterward. Up to that point she was working as a retail clerk at a local department store in the daytime. She said doing this in the evening is not bad, she don't regret it. She said that it is not for everyone, but for her why not. In the morning my buddy told me that she wasn't a bad laid either. I do not know if she is still doing her day job.

Some girls does this just to earn a few dinero on the side.

Juno Audio
03-13-07, 08:22
Bnlee2,

You are right in saying that many of the girls are too embarrass to tell you they were tricked into it. It's a sad truth and there is nothing we can do but to look the other way. We don't have enough money to send everyone of them home, nor can we stop these kind of things from happening to others by doing so.

Now when I pick someone in a BBS, I tend to choose those who are enthusiastic, at least this makes me feel better knowing the chances are they were not forced into it.

JA

Wilde
03-13-07, 09:37
You had 6 orgasms? Cialis gives you the ability to have a hard on but...............

Wait till his mother finds out that he is treating his body like it was an amusement park!

OldAsiaHand
03-13-07, 10:23
I also go for the enthusiastic type since they normally provide better service although this is not always the case. I don't think less enthusiastic it has anything to do with being forced into it. I think it is just different personalities. I've often had great service from shy girls, as well. I am not certain there are as many BBS girls kept as sex slaves as you guys might imagine. I see many girls come in and try it for a day or so and leave if they can't cut it.

Just my POV.

OAH





Bnlee2,

You are right in saying that many of the girls are too embarrass to tell you they were tricked into it. It's a sad truth and there is nothing we can do but to look the other way. We don't have enough money to send everyone of them home, nor can we stop these kind of things from happening to others by doing so.

Now when I pick someone in a BBS, I tend to choose those who are enthusiastic, at least this makes me feel better knowing the chances are they were not forced into it.

JA

Mattoz
03-13-07, 10:41
Hi Gents,

Just wanted to say a big Hi to all on the forum and that I am very impressed with the quality of reports and information one can find here. I'm a bit new to the "mongering" game to be honest. With my company I get to travel a fair bit and Shenzhen is a new destination which started in late 06. Didn't really know what to expect from China on a whole to be honest as heard mixed reports etc etc as you do. Have been there 3 times now since Oct 06 and have to say really enjoy the place. We have an apartment in Sekiou (water world) so find that interesting. Have been to a couple of KTV's since being there but did not know this forum was around to find out all the good places etc. Went to Las Vegas (others I forget as was with local guy) and found that not too bad.

I really look forward to hopefully meeting up with some of the members at some point when you are in town to learn from some of the experts. Likely to be there first week of April and hope to have a look around between work for a couple of weeks. Any advice or good tips would be really appreciated.

Thanks.

Mattoz.

Old Mean Dog
03-13-07, 11:20
I also go for the enthusiastic type since they normally provide better service although this is not always the case. I don't think less enthusiastic it has anything to do with being forced into it. I think it is just different personalities. I've often had great service from shy girls, as well. I am not certain there are as many BBS girls kept as sex slaves as you guys might imagine. I see many girls come in and try it for a day or so and leave if they can't cut it.

Just my POV.

OAH

Agreed, I know many who are just lazy and this is easy money for them, so they say. I knew a massage girl, named Ping-Ping, wrote about her in an old report of mine, who said she made 8,000 a month doing FS massages and turning tricks on the side. Pretty good living for a 19 year old.

-SZE

Ace Gallant
03-13-07, 12:44
I just don't think about it either. I've heard so many stories over the years, some of them true, others just bullshit to get sympathy, that I don't pay any attention anymore. I just go for the service and don't want to hear about it. You just take the good with the bad.

Just my POV.

OAHWords of Wisdom from a wise friend of mine:

“You cannot save the world!”

My Addition to his words; “As long as you do not makes it worst, that is enough.”

AG

Ace Gallant
03-13-07, 12:59
Agreed, I know many who are just lazy and this is easy money for them, so they say. I knew a massage girl, named Ping-Ping, wrote about her in an old report of mine, who said she made 8,000 a month doing FS massages and turning tricks on the side. Pretty good living for a 19 year old.

-SZEHere is another version of the story from the other side:

Some of these girls are lazy, greedy, or just love living a life filled with "wants". Working in KTV provide them with money to do what they can never thought of doing back in their own village. They can buy things they like without hesitiation, gamble as much as they wanted, eat good food, and the list goes on and on....

If sleeping with men helps them to achieve their goal why not? Just put up with the shame in this town and when they move on to another city, nobody know them.

The above story was told to me by Foot Massage girls from CP. However they also told me; they reason why they are still foot massage girls, making around 1000 / mth is because they cannot get over the shame part.

I think like in any countries in the world, there are all sorts of girls, some are willing to do it, some are not. Some are forced into it, some did it willingly.

So, as I posted: You cannot save the world, as long as you do not makes it worst, that's enough.

AG

Juno Audio
03-13-07, 17:46
OAH, Szexpat,

I guess we will never know how many of them are willing participants and how many are not. But once they see how much money they can make, it's hard to say no to it. I've already seen a few came back after they told me they will quit, because they couldn't find anything else to do back at their village that is so lucrative.

JA

Juno Audio
03-13-07, 18:03
So, as I posted: You cannot safe the world, as long as you do not makes it worst, that's enough.
AG

AG, this is not meant to be a rebuttal. I just thought your statement of "as long as you do not make it worse, that's enough" was a bit funny to me. Because to me this business of prostitution is one of supply and demand, so to not make it worse, I would have to remove myself from it, by participating, I've added one more demand into the equation.

Maybe your meaning of making it worse is different from mine.

JA

Csun213
03-13-07, 19:18
AG, this is not meant to be a rebuttal. I just thought your statement of "as long as you do not make it worse, that's enough" was a bit funny to me. Because to me this business of prostitution is one of supply and demand, so to not make it worse, I would have to remove myself from it, by participating, I've added one more demand into the equation.

Maybe your meaning of making it worse is different from mine.

JA

Just to let you know that we are not the main customers for the girls in China. We are such a low number. My suggesting is that just treat the girl nice so she feels better being with you than with another customer.

I also have heard girls being tricked into coming to SZ. However a lot of girls do this on their own. They may be tricked into coming to SZ on promise of big money, when they get here they find out that there is no such job. They are then forced to make a decision to go home without any money in shame or go into the business. This is why a lot of girls do this for a few months and then leave. If you are in China long enough you will find that most girls will not work for more than 6 months or so. Try and find the same girl that you saw last year and see what happens.

Yes there are girls forced into sex trade (just like in any country) however most of the girls do this on their own because it is the fastest way to make the most amount of money.

Ace Gallant
03-13-07, 22:04
AG, this is not meant to be a rebuttal. I just thought your statement of "as long as you do not make it worse, that's enough" was a bit funny to me. Because to me this business of prostitution is one of supply and demand, so to not make it worse, I would have to remove myself from it, by participating, I've added one more demand into the equation.

Maybe your meaning of making it worse is different from mine.

JAThink of it from another angle, CSUN is right; we are only a very small part of the equation. Prostitution in China is a very old trade, a few hundred years old. We are not going to make any difference even all of us foreigners do not “participate” in “buying”.

What I meant in “as long as we do not make it worst is enough” was; sometimes in the process of helping the girls we might makes the situation worst for them. For example; by giving them extra money or helping them escape, we cannot assure them of their safety. What if they are caught by the pimps or what if the pimps go back to their hometown and spread the news that they are working as prostitutes?

Sorry for any mis-understanding.

AG