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I generally agree with most of your comments. I strongly agree with your concept that guys will do what they like based on what they prefer and their taste in women. My intent was to provide guys with another option, especially when most of the post here for the past several months has focused mostly on Flips and Indos in the overpriced tourist bars. Newbies may have obtained the wrong impression from the sight (e.g., all there is to HK is overpriced sex), not knowing that there are lots of options for good sex at much lower prices than the tourist bars. As an investigative sex reporter, I believe in fair and balanced reporting....... : - )Try using 1 or 2 Thousand HKD in NYC and see how far the USD equivalent will take you. HK is a bargain for traveling Americans no matter what angle you take.
I may be in Hong Kong on the last weekend of March 2010 - the weekend of Rugby Sevens.
What can I expect from a mongering perspective?
I normally hang out in Wan Chai and enjoy Neptunes, (ex)Fenwick, etc.
Will these places just be packed solid and so are there more girls at work to 'fill the demand'?
What about any tips for how to get tickets for matches?
... In a case where I have negotiated a ST (say 2. 3 hour experience) I may pay anything from HK$500. $1, 500. The range depends on "who" and how much do I want her. When I add the 2. 3 hours we enjoyed eachother's company in the bar before hand, I am paying HK$500. $1500 for a 4. 6 hour experience. I am happy with that ... Overall, the value I am getting, at least to me, is at least on PAR with paying a 141 girl HK$250. $500 for 45 minutes of straight sex...
It basically boils down to why one wants to be with a woman. Is it just sex or is it the companionship. In your case you enjoy her company as much as you enjoy the sex with her and in some other people's case all they want is the sexual release. And of course one pays for what one wants. You pay more to enjoy the time with her and someone else pays less at 141 for wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am.
I myself am more like you. I like being with someone as much as having sex with her.
Be Safe,
APAC Man
It basically boils down to why one wants to be with a woman. Is it just sex or is it the companionship. In your case you enjoy her company as much as you enjoy the sex with her and in some other people's case all they want is the sexual release. And of course one pays for what one wants. You pay more to enjoy the time with her and someone else pays less at 141 for wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am.
I myself am more like you. I like being with someone as much as having sex with her.
Be Safe,
APAC ManYou're spot on. I do enjoy the companionship part. Obviously my favourite part is the sex, however I personally enjoy the sex more as a result of the "mini" relationship that has developed.
To add to that, the fun of the "hunt" and the rest of the process I really enjoy as well, this you don't get from a 141 walk up WG.
I also agree there is nothing wrong with someone just wanting the sex alone. Each to his own.
However, I had a colleague from Europe who was like that, just wanted the sex and done. One night he picked up a WG, walked her back to his hotel only to realise neither of them had condoms. It was late so they had to walk about 20 minutes (there and back) to a 7/11 to get some stock. They had a great chat while they were doing this and the next morning he told me it was one of the best times he'd had in HK. Seems they had got to know each other a little and it made a big difference for him.
Just a thought.
Ubersexual
02-01-10, 08:20
I always wonder why there aren't more local girls working the Wan Chai expat bar scene. Apparently there are are local girls doing the 141 for around $1000 and probably for less at the OK clubs in Mongkok, so it doesn't seem like prices would be too low to attract them. Shockingly, few mainland girls also.
I did meet one HK girl that works the WC bars named Crystal. A little business-like but really huge nips which I dig.
Traveller China
02-01-10, 13:34
And for those in Causeway Bay with some spare time in the afternoon, Phoenix apartments (easily found on 141) offers a wide selection. The Traveller was there recently and had a blast for 380 HK dollars. Too much choice and too little time! And it is unbeatable fun to be there and see local businessmen coming out carrying their files and on the phone complaining about taxi stuck in traffic or similar. Or the foreigners doing their best to look lost with that "I am not here for anything but finding my way out of here"-look on their face. Hilarious!
Lustforthrust
02-02-10, 08:49
I always wonder why there aren't more local girls working the Wan Chai expat bar scene. Apparently there are are local girls doing the 141 for around $1000 and probably for less at the OK clubs in Mongkok, so it doesn't seem like prices would be too low to attract them. Shockingly, few mainland girls also.
Suzie Wong was long before my time, but I guess, face comes with prosperity?
Cherry is in the news again. Mate of mine offered her 1,000 to do her 500hkd massage with her panties off. She agrees to meet him before she committed. They met, she agreed, he fcuked her for 1,500.
The young chic on the beach is 1,800 for overnight, typical pissy HK attitude, that has gotta be put right, before you pay. Posted 2 of her pictures in an earlier post here.
You're spot on. I do enjoy the companionship part. Obviously my favourite part is the sex, however I personally enjoy the sex more as a result of the "mini" relationship that has developed.
To add to that, the fun of the "hunt" and the rest of the process I really enjoy as well, this you don't get from a 141 walk up WG.
Perhaps in an ideal world, I would agree with this point of view. But if we consider that the "hunt" often does not lead to the bed, or that the girl at times wants to hang out and not have sex, or the mini relationship develops into something with escalating expectations, the value of P4P becomes clear.
Would you enjoy eating out even more if the restaurants required you to hang out for a while, chat, etc., and then they don't serve you in most cases? Or they do serve you, but next time, they welcome you back and hang out with you but don't serve you? I'm sure I would not prefer that.
To each his own, I don't mean to say anyone is wrong, just want to share my POV.
Perhaps in an ideal world, I would agree with this point of view. But if we consider that the "hunt" often does not lead to the bed, or that the girl at times wants to hang out and not have sex, or the mini relationship develops into something with escalating expectations, the value of P4P becomes clear.
Would you enjoy eating out even more if the restaurants required you to hang out for a while, chat, etc., and then they don't serve you in most cases? Or they do serve you, but next time, they welcome you back and hang out with you but don't serve you? I'm sure I would not prefer that.
To each his own, I don't mean to say anyone is wrong, just want to share my POV.Just to clarify. I am still paying for it in most cases. By "hunt" I mean finding someone I like the look of, getting to know them a little, then if I am still interested agreeing to the $$$. Obviously using this system one doesn't miss out very often.
Just to clarify. I am still paying for it in most cases. By "hunt" I mean finding someone I like the look of, getting to know them a little, then if I am still interested agreeing to the $$$. Obviously using this system one doesn't miss out very often.That's as much hunting as going to the zoo!
There's no "game" when you buy.
I enjoyed the posts regarding local girls which posted earlier. Just returned from a week in HK & Beijing. I've written before on having used AFF for meeting ladies when traveling and again worked well. I also p4p but that again is another animal. There are 2 AFF, one stands for "adult" other asia". This method obviously involves spending some time prior to trip to hunt but pays dividends in a more "relationship" sort of way although can meet p4pp too. Started emails with a lady there, progressed to chatting online for about 2 weeks prior. I am no spring chicken so I like often women 30-40. This sexy lady was HK local, 40, seperated for 10 with a couple of kids. Professional women who had little time for social life so she has gone same direction.
She met me at my hotel in Kowloon (can't beat that) we spent a couple of hours in bar, chatting, drinks light dinner. Then no game when I suggested we go upstairs. Followed with drink, necking like kids and when the clothes came off was obvious that she was ready to go from start wearing sexy underwear and was freshly totally shaved, yumm. Wonderful next couple of hours and I am sure we will see each other my next time in HK, well worth maintaining contact over the next few months. Total cost: a bit of time yes, a dinner and drinks so well worth it in my mind.
I went back to Wan Chai last week and hit the regular fun spots...Neptunes, Laguna etc. But I noticed the talent pool is down this year vs years past. What happened? I was hoping to find a sweet filipina I spent some time with the last time I was in HK but no dice. Has anybody seen this lovely lady before in Neptunes?
That's as much hunting as going to the zoo!
There's no "game" when you buy.Sure there is Bro, the game of price, the game of who, the game of what. Sure it's not a total cross your fingers "hunt" but if you read my previous posts, the hunt, the get to know each other, enjoy eachother's company, the whole package I enjoy and it (for me at least) makes the sex more fun.
Member #4271
02-06-10, 16:02
Here's the simplest way to explain the appeal of Wanchai for me Hong Kong is a very Western city - like London-in-Asia - and it's incredibly easy to meet Asian women in Wanchai and end up having a partner for a few hours, a night, or a few days for a reasonable price when compared to anywhere in the West.
Sure, I'd like to see more local or Chinese girls in Wanchai but the TOTAL experience beats any AMP or spa or walkup or streetwalker in the West!
Here's the simplest way to explain the appeal of Wanchai for me Hong Kong is a very Western city - like London-in-Asia - and it's incredibly easy to meet Asian women in Wanchai and end up having a partner for a few hours, a night, or a few days for a reasonable price when compared to anywhere in the West.
Sure, I'd like to see more local or Chinese girls in Wanchai but the TOTAL experience beats any AMP or spa or walkup or streetwalker in the West!
I will agree with your premise about Wanchai or Kowloon, to me it is the difference in finding someone I wish to spend time with and then making a financial transaction, rather than having to spend a lot of time and effort (and money) on a non-WG to accomplish the same thing.
My luck with Chinese ladies is zero save one great time in K Pressure with a gal from Shenzhen. I enjoy the Filipina gals a lot, even if they have to leave every two weeks, and even the occasional Viet lady.
To be honest whether someone feels it is like "hunting in a zoo" or not, doesn't really phase me, since I am not trying to impress anyone with my pickup skills. All I want is to have good time with a lady I find desirable, at a price I am willing to pay, and a few adult beverages with friends. Having said that, there are times when I wish I could find someone to take to a nice restaurant, enjoy an evening and then satisfy my carnal desires between her thighs. That is not always easy to do with a WG, not all of them are sophisticated enough or have enough in common to pull this little ruse off. Hey nothing is perfect! Stay horny my friends!
Having said that, there are times when I wish I could find someone to take to a nice restaurant, enjoy an evening and then satisfy my carnal desires between her thighs. That is not always easy to do with a WG, not all of them are sophisticated enough or have enough in common to pull this little ruse off. Hey nothing is perfect! Stay horny my friends!Very well put Bro, and this in part has caused (or at least contributed) to my strong interest in Mongolians. That and the fact they look like slightly tanned Koreans, speak great English, understand your jokes and LOVE to f*ck as much as you do.
Bob Builder
02-07-10, 04:22
I will agree with your premise about Wanchai or Kowloon, to me it is the difference in finding someone I wish to spend time with and then making a financial transaction, rather than having to spend a lot of time and effort (and money) on a non-WG to accomplish the same thing.
My luck with Chinese ladies is zero save one great time in K Pressure with a gal from Shenzhen. I enjoy the Filipina gals a lot, even if they have to leave every two weeks, and even the occasional Viet lady.
To be honest whether someone feels it is like "hunting in a zoo" or not, doesn't really phase me, since I am not trying to impress anyone with my pickup skills. All I want is to have good time with a lady I find desirable, at a price I am willing to pay, and a few adult beverages with friends. Having said that, there are times when I wish I could find someone to take to a nice restaurant, enjoy an evening and then satisfy my carnal desires between her thighs. That is not always easy to do with a WG, not all of them are sophisticated enough or have enough in common to pull this little ruse off. Hey nothing is perfect! Stay horny my friends!
And wondering around Wanchai with a little cutie on you arm, you won't feel out of place because everyone else is doing the same thing.
Very well put Bro, and this in part has caused (or at least contributed) to my strong interest in Mongolians. That and the fact they look like slightly tanned Koreans, speak great English, understand your jokes and LOVE to f*ck as much as you do.
Tony, don't even get me started with the Mongolian ladies. I am a hard core So. Amer lover (in their native habitat, not in HK), but last year I met a couple of Mongolian gals in Beijing, and had one of the best experiences of a lifetime. I even went back for seconds the next night! It is a good thing I can't find any Mongolian gals in HK, I would be broke!!!
Tony, don't even get me started with the Mongolian ladies. I am a hard core So. Amer lover (in their native habitat, not in HK), but last year I met a couple of Mongolian gals in Beijing, and had one of the best experiences of a lifetime. I even went back for seconds the next night! It is a good thing I can't find any Mongolian gals in HK, I would be broke!!!Would you like me to share where to find Mongolian Gals in HK Bro?
I enjoy picking girls off 141 site. But one thing you should be aware of 141 is the discrepancies in nationalities. If you call a Japanese girls, most likely they are Koreans. And if you call a Korean, then they are either Mongolians or English speaking Chinese.
I once called a pseudo Japanese girl and busted her. I speak almost fluent Japanese and started to talk to her. Should seen the expression on her face. She claimed that her mother is Korean and she lived away from Japan for a long time. She spoke pretty English and learned that agencies insist them to list themselves as Japanese. I don't get the logic. I would have paid same price for whether she was Japanese or Korean.
Applesauce
02-08-10, 01:13
I enjoy picking girls off 141 site. But one thing you should be aware of 141 is the discrepancies in nationalities. If you call a Japanese girls, most likely they are Koreans. And if you call a Korean, then they are either Mongolians or English speaking Chinese.It's pretty well known that on 141 (why do they keep getting mentioned? There are other listings out there as well) if a girl has passable appearance to being Japanese, then she'll be advertised as such just so she can demand a premium rate. Finding a true Japanese or Korean in HK is possible, but rare. In reality, there's no reason for true blood Japanese or Korean girls to work in HK when they can command the same rate, if not more, in their own countries. The Filipinas, Thais, Viets and Indonesians come to HK because they can get more money here than in their home countries and this makes the trip worthwhile.
Undercoverh
02-08-10, 03:13
I always wonder why there aren't more local girls working the Wan Chai expat bar scene. Apparently there are are local girls doing the 141 for around $1000 and probably for less at the OK clubs in Mongkok, so it doesn't seem like prices would be too low to attract them. Shockingly, few mainland girls also.
I did meet one HK girl that works the WC bars named Crystal. A little business-like but really huge nips which I dig.
That's a good question. Having lived and worked in HK for 13 years, I can give you my opinion. I have worked with, dated, and F_cked HK girls for the past 13 years so I have more then a little experience with them. In addition, I really like them more than other Asian girls in Southeast Asia.
I must be clear that I am writing about local HK girls and not Chinese girls that come to HK from other parts of Southeast Asia. I am talking about girls who were born in HK and live there. To me, that is a "local."
Generally speaking, HK girls for the most part are more educated than other girls in Asian. In addition, they have more pride about themselves. When you see HK girls on the MRT or walking on the street, they seem stuck up, most are not. Once you get to know them, they are sexy, horny, and lots of fun. The key is, they have to get to know you first.
Now that I have provided you with some background info, I will answer your question, "Local girls" who P4P, that is take sex for money, are generally different from flips, Thais, etc. For example, Thai girls will be happy to dance on stage half nude in the country they live in, but you will generally not find these types of bars in HK where LOCAL Hk girls dance half nude on the stage, why. The answer is simple, the HK girl (and the HK people) by nature are more conservative, reserved, and always think about not "losing face." These are the keys reasons why a "local" HK girl will not be in bar selling her goods.
In other words, just because the HK sells sex in a 141 behind CLOSED DOORS, most HK girls would not be willing to stand in a bar and have tons of guys know she is selling sex. Sure, from time-to-time, you will find a few local HK girls who will do it, but most will not. Also, the HK girl does not want to "lose face" for herself or her family that may live in HK. Just think, if she is in a bar selling sex and one of her friends or relatives happens to drop by and see her selling sex, she would feel like shit and her family would be know as the shit family.
As an interesting note, just think of all the outlets for sex in HK and all the HK and Chinese women who provide the service, ya, 1,000s and 1,000s of women. But when you are on the train or walking down the street, can you tell which girls are working girls, most likely no. P4P girls must eat, shop, etc., and therefore walk on the street and take the train. But you cannot tell which are the regular girls and which are the P4P. Now compare this to Thailand and in Bangkok at night when you can with easy spot the hookers by the way they dress and act. The simple point is that HK girls do not want to lose face and tell the folks she sees on the train or on the street she sells sex for money. She prefers to been seen as a regular HK girl.
Here is another interesting note. Why is the concept of 141s for the most part only in HK?? Think about it, the government has set-up a system where it is legal for a women to sell sex out of her apartment -- as long as she is the only women selling sex in that apartment and there is no pimp. Also, on the other hand, why is pimping, and selling sex from the street NOT legal in HK??
Where else in Asia do you find the 141 concept, with it's 141 ads on the internet, 141s ad in local Chinese newspapers, and 141 ads in girle magazines? In my opinion, the HK government does not to lose face to the world. They do not want to be know, like Thailand, as a sex capital. In other words, they try to keep the selling of sex behind closed doors and not in public view in HK. This is based on the HK folks conservative nature and not wanting to lose face.
Several weeks ago, I went to a small regular massage shop in Jordan (I love these places) and hit it off with one of the local HK girls there. She gave me a regular massage but there was a lot of sexy tension between us. Without telling management, she agreed to come back to my serviced apartment the next day on her lunch break.
The next day, when I waited outside of the shop on the side of the building (she did not want management to know abut us) and when I saw her, she was conservatively dressed, with a long coat closed in the front with no make-up and her hair was up. Compare this to the somewhat sexy outfit she had when she gave me the massage the day before.
When we walked together, we did not hold hands and in the taxi, she would not set close to me. But when we got back to my apartment, oh, she was fun, hot, sexy and wet. I really enjoyed kissing her because her lips were soft and small. As a rule, I do not kiss women I P4P with. But in her case, I could not help myself. During sex, she wanted to sit on top of me and for about 20 minutes she just rode me like a horse until she came. I just laid back and she did all the work. It was a wonderful sight seeing those nice little pink tits go up and down and that lovely white Chinese skin. Then, we did doggie style, then I was on top. We had so much fun together having sex, I forget to ask her if she would give me a BJ.
The point of this story is that to the outside world this local HK lady did not want folks to know she sometimes sold sex, but behind closed doors she was the best little P4P lady.
Bob Builder
02-08-10, 04:01
I enjoy picking girls off 141 site. But one thing you should be aware of 141 is the discrepancies in nationalities. If you call a Japanese girls, most likely they are Koreans. And if you call a Korean, then they are either Mongolians or English speaking Chinese.
I once called a pseudo Japanese girl and busted her. I speak almost fluent Japanese and started to talk to her. Should seen the expression on her face. She claimed that her mother is Korean and she lived away from Japan for a long time. She spoke pretty English and learned that agencies insist them to list themselves as Japanese. I don't get the logic. I would have paid same price for whether she was Japanese or Korean.
Girls are priced according to rarity and what local Chinese perceive as being more classy. You will normally find Fillipinos, Thais and Indonesians at the bottom of the pricing scale and Caucasians and Japanese at the top.
Chinese also have the perception that Japanese gals are a little more cultured and there is also the Japanese AV gal / porno thing.
That's a good question. Having lived and worked in HK for 13 years, I can give you my opinion. I have worked with, dated, and F_cked HK girls for the past 13 years so I have more then a little experience with them. In addition, I really like them more than other Asian girls in Southeast Asia.
I must be clear that I am writing about local HK girls and not Chinese girls that come to HK from other parts of Southeast Asia. I am talking about girls who were born in HK and live there. To me, that is a "local."
Agree with Undercoverh on his opinion on local HK girls.
There are 2 other classes of chinese girls that were found quite often in Wan Chai but are now quite rare. My perspective is I lived in HK 8-9 years ago but now travel occansionally for a week or two at a time.
One type of girl was an independant traveller from the mainland. I don't know how these girls were able to travel but remember there being quite a few with a small number being regular travellers. They may of had some assistance in arranging travel but I don't think it was an organised setup like the girls in Mongkok. One girl in particular was 2 weeks on two weeks off for almost a whole year. I think these girls were always at risk as I don't think their visa would allow them to work.
In the last few years I have only met a few girls in this category. I imagine the more regular ID checks etc has weeded most out.
The other girls that I had met were HKID holders. These girls were usually recent imigrants, with perhaps some family connection. They also were low in the pecking order in HK world so although they could work would only find low paid jobs. A good alt was sex worker. For some reason they (the ones I met) prefered to work in Wan Chai rather than 141. In Wan Chai they could price themselves more than Phil or Thai due to scarcity, so if going long time with a customer this would mean only one customer instead of 6 or 7 at a 141.
The economy was really bad 8-9 year ago but I still don't know why this class of girls is almost non existant now. I think there is some policy of the gov't then police enforcement and through the bar owners to move these girls out of the bars.
You would also find the better quality girls at the bars of the 5 star hotels earlier in the night (before they moved on to Wan Chai) not sure if this market exists today.
If you don't live in HK and want a GFE with a Chinese girl the options are pretty limited as the local girls need a bit of time and also prefer a HK resident even if for a ONS
BJK
Cunning Stunt
02-08-10, 16:30
Ana - the Pinay nympho is in town and has asked me to pass on her CP no to anyone who want some PSE action. Don't know what she will be charging but I imagine that it will compare favorably with local FL talent but with Ana you know that you are in for a blisteringly good time.
If you want to see what she looks like, there are dozens of photos on the P.I Photo Forum. Just do a thread search.
PM me for her No.
Ana - the Pinay nympho is in town and has asked me to pass on her CP no to anyone who want some PSE action. Don't know what she will be charging but I imagine that it will compare favorably with local FL talent but with Ana you know that you are in for a blisteringly good time.
If you want to see what she looks like, there are dozens of photos on the P.I Photo Forum. Just do a thread search.
PM me for her No.
Hey Stunt.
Is this the same Ana from Dubai? If so the gals in Wanchai are going to have to pick up their game a little....:-) Maybe a lot!
I am not sure HK is a big enough venue, but I am sure there will be many happy memories!!
Johnny Rocket
02-08-10, 19:30
Korean girls are my favorites so if you have not yet tried one, I really recommend. There are some stunners on the 141 web site right now who I hope to revisit when I'm back to HK next month.
Problem is that Korean, Japanese, white girls on 141 are notorious for being both mechanical, cold fish and clock watchers. YMMV of course. And glad you had a good time with Suki, would love to see her.
Johnny Rocket
02-08-10, 19:59
Trying to tell you that BK is the in place to be is more like he is "telling Whoppers" to me, LOL!
And while his methods sound simple, in reality most guys still have that fear of rejection that stops them just walking up to a girl and talking to her, in a joint outside of Wanchai that is.
For me it's not the rejection, it's the embarrassment of knowing that a whole crowd of people are watching you trying to pick up a girl. Plus I have on a wedding ring which complicates matters. And there could always be someone I know (someone who knows my wife) in a public place.
Problem is that Korean, Japanese, white girls on 141 are notorious for being both mechanical, cold fish and clock watchers. YMMV of course.I've only had one JG from 141 and she was fantastic, "Ivy". However that is just a sample of "one" and unfortunately the overwhelming sentiment is that generally speaking, you are right.
I have had the opportunity to be with JG and Koreans who weren't from 141 source and had some great experiences there. It's just a preference but I find if I repeat 2 - 3 times they really start to loosen up and when they do.
Cunning Stunt
02-09-10, 01:51
Hey Stunt.
Is this the same Ana from Dubai? If so the gals in Wanchai are going to have to pick up their game a little....:-) Maybe a lot!
I am not sure HK is a big enough venue, but I am sure there will be many happy memories!!
Probably! Ana is just about the most popular girl amongst ISG mongers here in Manila because of her superlative service and willingness to go that extra mile.
Want to make your own porno movie or need a willing girl for a gang bang? Ana is your girl as she is up for most things (but no pain or humiliation trip) and enjoys every minute.
Added to which, she is a very classy looking lass who would not look amiss in a top restaurant or the lobby of a 5* hotel.
Believe that she is in HK for a couple of weeks and goes to UAE next month.
She is a lovely girl and a personal friend so please look after her.
Ubersexual
02-09-10, 04:20
That's a good question. Having lived and worked in HK for 13 years, I can give you my opinion. I have worked with, dated, and F_cked HK girls for the past 13 years so I have more then a little experience with them. In addition, I really like them more than other Asian girls in Southeast Asia.
I must be clear that I am writing about local HK girls and not Chinese girls that come to HK from other parts of Southeast Asia. I am talking about girls who were born in HK and live there. To me, that is a "local. "
Generally speaking, HK girls for the most part are more educated than other girls in Asian. In addition, they have more pride about themselves. When you see HK girls on the MRT or walking on the street, they seem stuck up, most are not. Once you get to know them, they are sexy, horny, and lots of fun. The key is, they have to get to know you first.
Now that I have provided you with some background info, I will answer your question, "Local girls" who P4P, that is take sex for money, are generally different from flips, Thais, etc. For example, Thai girls will be happy to dance on stage half nude in the country they live in, but you will generally not find these types of bars in HK where LOCAL Hk girls dance half nude on the stage, why. The answer is simple, the HK girl (and the HK people) by nature are more conservative, reserved, and always think about not "losing face. " These are the keys reasons why a "local" HK girl will not be in bar selling her goods.
In other words, just because the HK sells sex in a 141 behind CLOSED DOORS, most HK girls would not be willing to stand in a bar and have tons of guys know she is selling sex. Sure, from time-to-time, you will find a few local HK girls who will do it, but most will not. Also, the HK girl does not want to "lose face" for herself or her family that may live in HK. Just think, if she is in a bar selling sex and one of her friends or relatives happens to drop by and see her selling sex, she would feel like shit and her family would be know as the shit family.
As an interesting note, just think of all the outlets for sex in HK and all the HK and Chinese women who provide the service, ya, 1, 000s and 1, 000s of women. But when you are on the train or walking down the street, can you tell which girls are working girls, most likely no. P4P girls must eat, shop, etc., and therefore walk on the street and take the train. But you cannot tell which are the regular girls and which are the P4P. Now compare this to Thailand and in Bangkok at night when you can with easy spot the hookers by the way they dress and act. The simple point is that HK girls do not want to lose face and tell the folks she sees on the train or on the street she sells sex for money. She prefers to been seen as a regular HK girl.
Here is another interesting note. Why is the concept of 141s for the most part only in HK? Think about it, the government has set-up a system where it is legal for a women to sell sex out of her apartment. As long as she is the only women selling sex in that apartment and there is no pimp. Also, on the other hand, why is pimping, and selling sex from the street NOT legal in HK?
Where else in Asia do you find the 141 concept, with it's 141 ads on the internet, 141s ad in local Chinese newspapers, and 141 ads in girle magazines? In my opinion, the HK government does not to lose face to the world. They do not want to be know, like Thailand, as a sex capital. In other words, they try to keep the selling of sex behind closed doors and not in public view in HK. This is based on the HK folks conservative nature and not wanting to lose face.
Several weeks ago, I went to a small regular massage shop in Jordan (I love these places) and hit it off with one of the local HK girls there. She gave me a regular massage but there was a lot of sexy tension between us. Without telling management, she agreed to come back to my serviced apartment the next day on her lunch break.
The next day, when I waited outside of the shop on the side of the building (she did not want management to know abut us) and when I saw her, she was conservatively dressed, with a long coat closed in the front with no make-up and her hair was up. Compare this to the somewhat sexy outfit she had when she gave me the massage the day before.
When we walked together, we did not hold hands and in the taxi, she would not set close to me. But when we got back to my apartment, oh, she was fun, hot, sexy and wet. I really enjoyed kissing her because her lips were soft and small. As a rule, I do not kiss women I P4P with. But in her case, I could not help myself. During sex, she wanted to sit on top of me and for about 20 minutes she just rode me like a horse until she came. I just laid back and she did all the work. It was a wonderful sight seeing those nice little pink tits go up and down and that lovely white Chinese skin. Then, we did doggie style, then I was on top. We had so much fun together having sex, I forget to ask her if she would give me a BJ.
The point of this story is that to the outside world this local HK lady did not want folks to know she sometimes sold sex, but behind closed doors she was the best little P4P lady.Thanks for the reply. I am sure you are right. On the other hand, I wonder if the "face" aspect doesn't run the other way. For a working class girl from Tsuen Wan or someplace, I would think that the probability of you running into someone they know at an expat oriented place like Neptunes would be pretty small. I would guess smaller than the chance if you worked at "nightclub" or massage place or 1-4-1 in Mongkok.
Anyway, HK labor markets are very efficient, so I am sure there is some explanation and your is the best so far.
NormanBrightside
02-09-10, 05:27
With the exception of a visit to HK last year I normally do my mongering in Dubai. In a few places, like Ratsky's for example, it's essentially a pimping system with a Mamasan and the girls are kept in managed accomodation with their passports taken away by their sponsor until they pay back their overinflated visa and travel costs.
One of the Filipina's there she used to work in Wan Chai and said that the bars there (she mentioned Fenwicks) were somewhat similar in that there's also a Mamasan and while the girls get a cut from the drink's they're bought, they also need to give a cut of what they earn with Clients to the bar. She also said that there are certain expectations about what the girls need to earn, number of clients etc. On the other hand the Filipina I met up with in Galaxy last year claimed that she only made money from lady drinks and that I was the first client she had had in her month there.
As you can probably tell I'm uncomfortable with the human trafficing element of somewhere like Ratsky's and so stopped going there when I found out the system.
I off to HK again next month and so was intereted to know whether anyone knows how the Wan Chai bars work, as if it's similar to Ratsky's I will give it a miss.
Cheers
Norman
With the exception of a visit to HK last year I normally do my mongering in Dubai. In a few places, like Ratsky's for example, it's essentially a pimping system with a Mamasan and the girls are kept in managed accomodation with their passports taken away by their sponsor until they pay back their overinflated visa and travel costs.
One of the Filipina's there she used to work in Wan Chai and said that the bars there (she mentioned Fenwicks) were somewhat similar in that there's also a Mamasan and while the girls get a cut from the drink's they're bought, they also need to give a cut of what they earn with Clients to the bar. She also said that there are certain expectations about what the girls need to earn, number of clients etc. On the other hand the Filipina I met up with in Galaxy last year claimed that she only made money from lady drinks and that I was the first client she had had in her month there.
As you can probably tell I'm uncomfortable with the human trafficing element of somewhere like Ratsky's and so stopped going there when I found out the system.
I off to HK again next month and so was intereted to know whether anyone knows how the Wan Chai bars work, as if it's similar to Ratsky's I will give it a miss.
Cheers
Norman
Norman,
The only group I know for sure that are "working for" someone are the So. Amer ladies. They have a manager that keeps pretty close tabs on them. A number of the Phils also have managers, but as I understand it the manager fronts them the cash for tickets, show money, visa, etc and it wants to make sure they get it back plus the vig. I am not familiar with any Phils girls that have to share a portion of every drink, etc. My experience is they had to give their manager a payment everytime they got a client. I have never heard about the bars telling the girls they must make a quota. It doesn't mean it doesn't happen, just I haven't heard of this practice.
Hi Norman,
I live with my philippine girlfriend in Shanghai since nearly 2 years; she before worked in HK/Wanchai and in Shanghai/Manhattan (in total for 6 months) - so she told me many details.
However, she always was responsible for herself and never dependent on anyone.
There are some "managers" which organise everything, quite often they take the passport of the ladies and the ladies will have to pay some 1000s of HKDs/CNYs in order to get the passport back; but my impression always was that this only happens to the week ones...
To my knowledge there is no such thing like the "pimp" in Europe or the US.
Shamuc
I off to HK again next month and so was intereted to know whether anyone knows how the Wan Chai bars work, as if it's similar to Ratsky's I will give it a miss.
Cheers
Norman
A Phil girl I know went over prior to Xmas. It was her first time and she went over with a managers help. I asked her if next time she woulkd use a manager and she said yes it's no problem. She was only (or at least mostly) getting drinks commissions and was not under any undue pressure to earn more.
I think you will find that all the girls in Wan Chai have their passport on them as there are regular checks and they will get thrown out if they don't have it. So if the girls so choose they can return to phil when they want. They might be under some family or other pressure to stay and they will have to pay the manager back for the trip and visa costs, so if you are doing that job it might not be your first career choice but due to circumstances.
BJK
With the exception of a visit to HK last year I normally do my mongering in Dubai. In a few places, like Ratsky's for example, it's essentially a pimping system with a Mamasan and the girls are kept in managed accomodation with their passports taken away by their sponsor until they pay back their overinflated visa and travel costs.
One of the Filipina's there she used to work in Wan Chai and said that the bars there (she mentioned Fenwicks) were somewhat similar in that there's also a Mamasan and while the girls get a cut from the drink's they're bought, they also need to give a cut of what they earn with Clients to the bar. She also said that there are certain expectations about what the girls need to earn, number of clients etc. On the other hand the Filipina I met up with in Galaxy last year claimed that she only made money from lady drinks and that I was the first client she had had in her month there.
As you can probably tell I'm uncomfortable with the human trafficing element of somewhere like Ratsky's and so stopped going there when I found out the system.
I off to HK again next month and so was intereted to know whether anyone knows how the Wan Chai bars work, as if it's similar to Ratsky's I will give it a miss.
Cheers
Norman
Hi Norman,
By now, as you see, you have a few responses and here is my two cents. This information is a bit old and things might have changed. The girls from Philippines who come here for the first or second time are usually managed by a manager that takes care of all the details for a set price and girls must pay that price in whole or installments depending on the arrangement and how they earn the money is more or less up to them. They can get commission from "lady drinks" or they can have "clients".
Some of these girls get smart after making the trip once or twice and make the trip on their own and take care of the details by themselves. The set price that they must pay the manager is all the expenses, including boarding places and one or 2 meals per day, plus some ridiculous interest and anything that they would earned above and behind that is theirs to keep.
As far as I know, there is no set limit by the bar as how much a girl must sell in lady drinks nor the bar has anything to do with the sex part. However, they do have some saying on who can come to the bar and some managers are more popular than others.
So is this "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)"? If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck... I've heard that some of these girls were told that they will be working in bars and restaurants as waitresses or promo-girls selling beer. The boarding home conditions are horrible and behind comprehension. Yes they get to keep their passport, but they have no return ticket and they still owe the manager a load of money that must be paid or else! Some of these girls are forced to make the trip second and more times to pay the debts from first trip and they still may create more debts in the process. So make your own conclusion.
Be Safe,
APAC Man
JackTheLad2
02-09-10, 12:57
Interesting comments.
Having met quite a few Philippina girls over the years – and remained in touch with a lot of them – I am aware of some of the arrangements that are going on. There is no “Trafficking” as such, similar to what is thought to happen in other parts of the world.
My information is that the first couple of times a girl comes from Phil, she will have borrowed her air fare at grossly inflated prices and have her accommodation arrangements organised for her. The money has to be paid back, more often or not, by instalments. There was no suggestion that the girl had to go out with clients – this was left up to her. I remember one girl wanting to come back with me to my hotel at an agreed cost of HK$1000 but she was told by her manager she had to be paid HK$1500. My offer of HK$1000 was knocked back by her “agent” who was in Fenwicks at the time and at the end of the night the same girl had never left the place – HK$1000 lost for her as far as I was concerned.
You also have to remember these girls are poor – they have family to support back home, including in many cases their kids. They are desperate – there is no work for them. They turn to the oldest profession. Many come with very little, if any, cash on them and many return 2 weeks later with very little to show for it, if anything.
I know many girls who can survive on ladies drinks – a good friend, Miss “M”, can make up to HK$800/1000 a night. She does not have to go out with clients. Once they "hook" you and are on tequilas their earnings shoot up. Those who are not so good at extracting the money from the punters from drinks have to consider going out with clients. I have never met a girl who was under pressure from within the bar in which she was working to get a certain amount of dinks etc. After all, the girls in the bar are the magnets for the paying customer.
A girl I met in Amazonia last month was sleeping 5 in a bed at a cost of HK$60 per night, the profit she gets from 1 ladies drink. Then there is a modest amount for food over and above this – and they don’t eat well either. A night with me in a big hotel bed was luxury for her (and me of course).
Another problem for them is that they only get a 14 day visa – so they have to make enough to repay their air fare, food and accommodation as well as the hope of being able to send money back home in the short space of 2 weeks. Difficult. They may exit after 14 days to Shenzhen or Macao to get back into HK but immigration are tightening up on this and I know plenty who were simply refused re-entry back into HK. Its not an easy life.
The more experienced girls will make their own way to HK without an agent or mamasan and work completely on their own. Invariably the cost of the air fare is borrowed from relatives or a money lender back home. They have a “network” for accommodation etc. but some of their boarding houses leave a lot to be desired. Some of those who have experienced a knock-back at immigration get another passport in another name and try their luck but the “new” passport does not come cheap – so more costs to the girl. I have warned a few they are playing with fire if they get caught as many still carry their old ID with them in their purses and if they are searched at immigration they will have a problem.
They certainly all keep their passports – they have to be able to produce them when the bars are “raided” as happens periodically. The police are not concerned with the punters, only the girls.
So there is a mixture of arrangements but in all the years I have been going to HK I have never met anyone who I felt was being trafficked. The same cannot be said for some other countries.
There was an interesting report published by the HK Government some years ago about this very subject – the conclusion was that girls in the sex trade were by and large treated well and there of their own free will – the problem was with maids and domestics employed legitimately who were badly treated and abused.
My tuppence worth.
PS – returning this month – can’t wait!
Interesting comments.
Having met quite a few Philippina girls over the years – and remained in touch with a lot of them – I am aware of some of the arrangements that are going on.
Just out of curiosity then, let's say its HK$ 2,000 for a round trip ticket, HK$ 100/night x 14 nights (HK$ 1,400) for accommodation and some food, and let's say HK$ 100 a day for walk around money. So HK$ 4,800 before they are in the clear, which is five LT's.
Interesting ... From my conversations with the girls, they get maybe one every three nights, which I guess is just barely break even for them. Almost makes for the argument that the price drops to HK$ 800 and then they will make more than they make at HK$ 1,000, since volume should go up. But I guess that depends on how many punters are going home empty handed due to a pricing problem.
JohnThomas0519
02-09-10, 18:13
Saw this really hot hotel reserv babe on 141. Called and got the pimp who instructed me to go to the Kimberly Hotel in TST. So I went. The place is pretty rundown. The steps have not been vacummed for a week. No pimp, no girl.
Anyone with any similar experiences?
Just out of curiosity then, let's say its HK$ 2,000 for a round trip ticket, HK$ 100/night x 14 nights (HK$ 1,400) for accommodation and some food, and let's say HK$ 100 a day for walk around money. So HK$ 4,800 before they are in the clear, which is five LT's....
The amount managers charge the first timers is more like HK$10,000. They drop the price for subsequent trips and that is why some girls have to make next trips just to pay the debt from first. They repay the loan in installments, so they still can bring some money home from first trip but in order to finish the payments, they have to do this over (and over).
Some of these girls are smart and they quickly figure out how the system works and either get out or join the game and make money. And the rest, oh well, we all heard the stories.
Be safe,
APAC Man
And the rest, oh well, we all heard the stories.My last Philpina in Wanchai was leaving for back home the next day after our night. In the morning she told me:
"I came with no money. And am leaving with no money. Such is life". Cute girl. You feel bad for them sometimes.
On another tangent of this I got friendly with a 31 year old Philpinia in a free lance bar in Macau. It was interesting she was sorta of the boss of the girls. She told me she has to train a lot of the girls to interact with customers. A lot of them just do not know how to act and slide into the corner of the bar not saying anything. You see a lot of those moapy/shy Philipina girls in the Wanchai bars. She gets some sorta cut from the whole thing from the boss back home.
There is a whole system behind the curtain.
Oh and that 31 year old was awesome in bed.
Bob Builder
02-10-10, 04:30
The amount managers charge the first timers is more like HK$10,000. They drop the price for subsequent trips and that is why some girls have to make next trips just to pay the debt from first. They repay the loan in installments, so they still can bring some money home from first trip but in order to finish the payments, they have to do this over (and over).
Some of these girls are smart and they quickly figure out how the system works and either get out or join the game and make money. And the rest, oh well, we all heard the stories.
Be safe,
APAC Man
That's a bargin compared to some of the China gals who end up at the Mong Kok brothels who "sometimes" have to do the first 100 - 200 customers free before they get paid a cent. And if they get busted before they fill their quota and shipped back to mainland they get nothing.
Member #4271
02-10-10, 17:14
Interesting comments.
Having met quite a few Philippina girls over the years – and remained in touch with a lot of them – I am aware of some of the arrangements that are going on. There is no “Trafficking” as such, similar to what is thought to happen in other parts of the world...So there is a mixture of arrangements but in all the years I have been going to HK I have never met anyone who I felt was being trafficked. The same cannot be said for some other countries.
There was an interesting report published by the HK Government some years ago about this very subject – the conclusion was that girls in the sex trade were by and large treated well and there of their own free will – the problem was with maids and domestics employed legitimately who were badly treated and abused.
My tuppence worth.
PS – returning this month – can’t wait!
As always, thanks for an informative post Jackthelad2.
I get the same feeling from the girls I've encountered. In the pick-up bars in Wanchai like Neptune's that sounds like the logical setup. There are plenty of girls who don't even try and just live off of drinks. There was one girl who I saw in there last August and again at Christmas who usually sits on the left side of the bar as you come in, right in the middle, who told me she doesn't go with guys because her manager didn't want it -- or something. She did offer to go with me a few nights before I left but I declined.
She's cute but not stunning and doesn't dress hot, really. So the point is that girls can live off the drinks.
IF Wanchai was a haven of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), I'd think the girls would be more pushy and desperate than they already are. And as they keep their passports on them -- I can verify that too -- they are essentially free to leave. One LT customer should be enough to pay the ticket back to the Philippines I think.
I can't speak to the setup in those strip clubs in Wanchai as I've not been in any of those.
Of course, the girls that mention going to Dubai are probably using some sort of manager and that's probably not a good situation.
I'll be back in April -- already made plans with a few of my regulars!
As always, thanks for an informative post Jackthelad2.I second the info on this subject. Several of you were helpful to me last year after my first experience in hk w an amazing young philippina lady I met in Neptune. I am still trying to figure it all out too as I surprised her w a visit to philippnes in January, and she had already rebooked for hk and ended up there for a month, wouldn't come back early for me & didn't give me her new hk # when she promised she would so I could maybe meet here there. Even though I offered to cover her expenses, she wouldn't come back early either, so I figured she had something that was really keeping her there, I. E. An obligation of some sort. She has a mamasan in hk & she was going to introduce me last time I was there, but I was too tired. She says her mama is very nice, and has no complaints.
She's back in hk again this week but I am meeting her for a week in phil soon.
When I first met her, she said she had no pressure to be with guys, but just to be in the bars and get drinks. She's had a few stories, some of which haven't fully panned out too, so I don't really know which way is up with her, but she is the most phenomenal lover.
On an unrelated subject, what is the fastest way to get rid of hickeys? my neck was just molested.
Thomas Jefferson
02-11-10, 12:47
Here is my experience with a cute philipina in last December:
She came to hongkong with a visitor visa for 2 weeks. I saw her passport. After 1 week she only had two customers which was just enough to pay her bed with a friend. I was her 3rd customer. Next moring I gave her my money (long time 1500hkd) and after breakfast we went to a travel agent, where she paid her return ticket to manila, which was around 1700hkd. She needed to return after 2 weeks in Hong Kong and complained that "business" was not as her friend told her. She was a cute 20 year old girl, first time in hongkong, but standing a bit shy in neptunes. Never really approached someone. I went to her and asked her directly, otherwise she wouldn't even smile to someone.
Friendly girl, service ok, but I had to teach her how to BJ. First she did not want to do. Later she impoved a lot and even had fun playing with my little friend. 2nd night was really good than.
Thomas Jefferson
Hi Norman,
By now, as you see, you have a few responses and here is my two cents. This information is a bit old and things might have changed. The girls from Philippines who come here for the first or second time are usually managed by a manager that takes care of all the details for a set price and girls must pay that price in whole or installments depending on the arrangement and how they earn the money is more or less up to them. They can get commission from "lady drinks" or they can have "clients".
Some of these girls get smart after making the trip once or twice and make the trip on their own and take care of the details by themselves. The set price that they must pay the manager is all the expenses, including boarding places and one or 2 meals per day, plus some ridiculous interest and anything that they would earned above and behind that is theirs to keep.
As far as I know, there is no set limit by the bar as how much a girl must sell in lady drinks nor the bar has anything to do with the sex part. However, they do have some saying on who can come to the bar and some managers are more popular than others.
So is this "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)"? If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck... I've heard that some of these girls were told that they will be working in bars and restaurants as waitresses or promo-girls selling beer. The boarding home conditions are horrible and behind comprehension. Yes they get to keep their passport, but they have no return ticket and they still owe the manager a load of money that must be paid or else! Some of these girls are forced to make the trip second and more times to pay the debts from first trip and they still may create more debts in the process. So make your own conclusion.
Be Safe,
APAC Man
I second the info on this subject. Several of you were helpful to me last year after my first experience in hk w an amazing young philippina lady I met in Neptune. I am still trying to figure it all out too as I surprised her w a visit to philippnes in January, and she had already rebooked for hk and ended up there for a month, wouldn't come back early for me & didn't give me her new hk # when she promised she would so I could maybe meet here there. Even though I offered to cover her expenses, she wouldn't come back early either, so I figured she had something that was really keeping her there, I. E. An obligation of some sort. She has a mamasan in hk & she was going to introduce me last time I was there, but I was too tired. She says her mama is very nice, and has no complaints.
She's back in hk again this week but I am meeting her for a week in phil soon.
When I first met her, she said she had no pressure to be with guys, but just to be in the bars and get drinks. She's had a few stories, some of which haven't fully panned out too, so I don't really know which way is up with her, but she is the most phenomenal lover.
On an unrelated subject, what is the fastest way to get rid of hickeys? my neck was just molested.
LOL! As far as hickeys goes, you are SOL buddy! :) Here is a link that may help:
http://www.getridofthings.com/get-rid-of-a-hickey.htm
And as far as stories from ladies in Wan Chai, take them with a grain of salt. Many, if not all, stories are a distorted version of some truth with lots of drama added in for whatever reason!
And talking about distorted version of some truth with lots of drama added in, I stopped at Burger King the other night for dinner. There is this character (I really do not know HOW to describe him beside him being a character) working there and he was trying to clean up, do some Micheal Jackson moon walk, flirt with floor manager, and have a conversation with me all at the same time! I asked him how the business had been lately and he said "A lot of gweilos been coming here lately! They buy a drink and sit around for hours and flirt with local girls!"
Be Safe,
APAC Man
Would you like me to share where to find Mongolian Gals in HK Bro?
Hey Tony,
Yes sir, Lay that local knowledge on me! I would love to find out where I can encounter a couple of the "northern sisters" locally!
TIA,
Sky
Hey Tony,
Yes sir, Lay that local knowledge on me! I would love to find out where I can encounter a couple of the "northern sisters" locally!
TIA,
SkyHari's Bar, mezzanine level of the Holiday Inn, cnr Nathan & Mody in TST.
Some week nights can be hit and miss but Friday is consistently excellent. Get there around 845pm and sit at the back wall of the bar area where they have the mirrors. Relax with a drink, the good band starts at 9pm. Just chill and enjoy the music.
Around 1100. 1130pm they will start to arrive, by midnight you'll be surrounded. Typically at least half a dozen to choose from.
If it is not their first time to HK then chances are they know me well already, but not as Tony Toro. If it is their first trip to HK then it's just a matter of time. LOL. Enjoy.
FreebieFan
02-14-10, 03:32
LOL! As far as hickeys goes, you are SOL buddy! :) Here is a link that may help:
http://www.getridofthings.com/get-rid-of-a-hickey.htm
Be Safe,
APAC ManLong time ago had a very dangerous looking hickey that I needed to remove quickly. /did some research and the best solution was to use the cap from a lip balm tube and to rub the edge of the cap over the hickey. Worked like a charm.
Hari's Bar, mezzanine level of the Holiday Inn, cnr Nathan & Mody in TST.
Some week nights can be hit and miss but Friday is consistently excellent. Get there around 845pm and sit at the back wall of the bar area where they have the mirrors. Relax with a drink, the good band starts at 9pm. Just chill and enjoy the music.
Around 1100. 1130pm they will start to arrive, by midnight you'll be surrounded. Typically at least half a dozen to choose from.
If it is not their first time to HK then chances are they know me well already, but not as Tony Toro. If it is their first trip to HK then it's just a matter of time. LOL. Enjoy.
Tony,
I had actually gotten a tip from one of the "northern sisters" in Beijing about Hari's and was there on Christmas Eve....yeah I know rotten timing! I have yet to try it on a regular night. The best thing about it that night was the waitress was great and the girls in the band are "smokin"!! I did meet a cute little Pinay gal, who as it turns out I met a week or so later for an all-nighter. I will make sure to visit Hari's soon and enjoy your suggestons!
Thanks,
Sky
Tony,
I had actually gotten a tip from one of the "northern sisters" in Beijing about Hari's and was there on Christmas Eve....yeah I know rotten timing! I have yet to try it on a regular night. The best thing about it that night was the waitress was great and the girls in the band are "smokin"!! I did meet a cute little Pinay gal, who as it turns out I met a week or so later for an all-nighter. I will make sure to visit Hari's soon and enjoy your suggestons!
Thanks,
SkyHave a great time Bro, ENJOY!
BTW, when I say half a doz to choose from, I mean Mongolian sisters. There will be another 20+ "other asstd" WG's on a Friday for sure. The more punters on any given night the more WG's. They call in "reinforcements" LOL.
I agree the waitresses are great and the band is brilliant!
Undercoverh
02-14-10, 23:56
In an effort to provide some new and different information about the HK sex/nightlife, I am providing the following post:
A few weeks ago on a Friday night, I wanted to go and hang out at some nice clubs to drink, dance and have fun with HK girls. I was not in the mood for the tourist bars on HK island which are overrun by overpriced P4P flips, I wanted to go where the local girls go. I decided to go to Knutsford Terrance in Tsim Sha Tsui.
For those of you who do not know, Knutsford Terr is street with a role of clubs in Tsim Sha Tsui on the Kowloon side of HK. Also, around the corner, on Observatory Court street you will find some more outlets. There were several clubs that I visited but I spent most of my time at Bahama Mama's (address, 4-5 Knutsford Terrance Street).
I like this club because there was a DJ spinning and good number of young HK ladies on the dance floor! Oh, I love to see local HK chicks dance after they had a few drinks -- sexy and wild! The dance floor is small but I like that because you are in close contact with the babes! I got to the club around 9:30 pm and there was already a nice little crowd there. The club, as I recall close at 4:00 am.
Now, for the sex part. Bare in mind this is a local club not a tourist P4P bar. Having stated that, what you pick-up and take to the hotel is based on your your ability to communicate with a women in a romantic way, not how much money is in your pocket. In other words, just like any other regular dance clubs in Asia, if you meet a girl, she likes you, both of you "hit-it-off," freebie!!!!
As stated earlier, I went to this club just to have fun, I was not trying to take a local girl home. I dance with several girls, talked to a few, and had a ton of fun, and did not pick-up anyone that night. After the club around 2:00 am, I went to a sauna at 109-113 Portland, on the 11th floor as I recall, and had a great massage and got laid (nice friendly girl with big tits cost was around $Hk600 for massage, BJ and sex). Get deal considering I got there to the sauna around 2:30 am in the morning.
That's the great thing about going to regular clubs, you will get a hard-on and if you do not take anyone home, just head to one of the many saunas in HK that do not close until 7:00 am in the morning for sex. I like the saunas at 109-113 Portland in Mong Kok because in the that building, there are about 6 saunas companies on different floors.
There have been times I went to a HK dance club and picked-up a local for a freebie, of course, this is hit and miss. The last time a picked a HK girl from a club, she had broken up with her boyfriend who cheated on her. She justed wanted to go out, have fun, and get laid. We fu_ked at my apartment for several hours and the next day we had breakfast and after that, I never saw her again. We exchanged numbers, but neither of us ever called each other. Great GFE sex for zero cost, what a deal.
I find that when I go to the club with the attitude of just having fun, sometimes p_ssy lands in my lap from a regular local HK girl. Those few times I have gone to the local club with the intent of getting laid, it does not work out. I guess the girls can tell when a guy is on the hunt and they (maybe) back off a little. Therefore, when I go to the clubs now, I just go to have fun, I dress nice, I am friendly, fun and easy going, and most of all I am a gentlemen with the local ladies. I feel this approach puts them at easy along with a few drinks. Oh, as far as drinks, I have no problem with buying a girl a drink and have NO expectations of having sex with her.
My point to posting this is if you want to hang out where the local girls hang out and party, have fun, and maybe get lucky, or just have a fun night out with regular girls, head over to Knutsford Terr. If you don't get lucky, lots of saunas in the area for you to shot your load.
Hi guys, I am going to be in Hong Kong airport for about 7 hours on a lay over. I know that there is a bus terminal at the airport but can someone tell me which bus I can take to go to the nearest town in order to kill a few hours? I don't want to go to far away from the airport but just into the next town to look around. I figure that it would be more fun than just sitting at the airport for 7 hours and would make the time go by faster. thanks for any help.
In an effort to provide some new and different information about the HK sex/nightlife, I am providing the following post:
A few weeks ago on a Friday night, I wanted to go and hang out at some nice clubs to drink, dance and have fun with HK girls. I was not in the mood for the tourist bars on HK island which are overrun by overpriced P4P flips, I wanted to go where the local girls go. I decided to go to Knutsford Terrance in Tsim Sha Tsui.There are some nice restaurants there as well if I remember correctly, a "mini Soho" feel. I also recall a bar called "Chases" where I had some luck on several occasions both with WG's and local HK civilians. Thanks for the reminder, there are so many places to monger in HK.
Hi guys, I am going to be in Hong Kong airport for about 7 hours on a lay over. I know that there is a bus terminal at the airport but can someone tell me which bus I can take to go to the nearest town in order to kill a few hours? I don't want to go to far away from the airport but just into the next town to look around. I figure that it would be more fun than just sitting at the airport for 7 hours and would make the time go by faster. thanks for any help.
Better take the airport expresstrain and then a taxi to some establishments
Plenty of suggestions on these in the forum
Hi guys, I am going to be in Hong Kong airport for about 7 hours on a lay over. I know that there is a bus terminal at the airport but can someone tell me which bus I can take to go to the nearest town in order to kill a few hours? I don't want to go to far away from the airport but just into the next town to look around. I figure that it would be more fun than just sitting at the airport for 7 hours and would make the time go by faster. thanks for any help.
Csun,
Take the Airport Express ( the train) to Kowloon, find your way to K Pressure and spend a hour or so with a lovely Asian lass, eat a little sushi afterwards, then get back on the train for the airport. I think the return is free if done on the same day. And I also think there are lockers to store your carry on if you don't want to keep it with you....and by the way, send a report with the free wi-fi!!
Shanghaied2001
02-15-10, 15:56
Hi All,
Just wondering if anyone has any updates on massage places with happy endings. I rtf and there's not much on it.
I live close to Carribean Sea Sauna but I've not read anything good about it, only that they offer poor service at sky high prices.
Thanks guys!
Thanks guys for the great information. Can you tell me where is a locker for storing my brief case so I don't have to carry it with me?
SE Asia Joe
02-15-10, 17:53
Thanks guys for the great information. Can you tell me where is a locker for storing my brief case so I don't have to carry it with me?
The left luggage counter is in Terminal 1 and is to your right as you exit.
The ratesare HK$40 to 3 hours and up to 24 hours its HK$55
http://www.hongkongairport.com/eng/passenger/arrival/t1/baggage/left-baggage.html
SEAJ
The left luggage counter is in Terminal 1 and is to your right as you exit.
The ratesare HK$40 to 3 hours and up to 24 hours its HK$55
http://www.hongkongairport.com/eng/passenger/arrival/t1/baggage/left-baggage.html
SEAJ
Thanks Joe, you are a wealth of information as always. You are every where, I was just reading you on the China thread.
NormanBrightside
02-16-10, 14:39
A belated thanks for everyone who shared their thoughts experiences, very insightful and helpful. Based on the feedback it does make me feel more comfortable about going to those bars as it seems clear that there isn't the systematic exploitation that exists in places like Ratsky's. Will post my experiences....
Thanks
Norman
Undercoverh
02-17-10, 02:59
I have received two PM from members regarding one of my post several weeks ago. The post was regarding my statement that lonely HK women, often times older HK women, go to clubs in HK to be with men. The PMs I received asked me where are these clubs as these members were interested in going to the club. I will post my response for everyone with the assumption there may be others interested in banging older Chinese women.
To clarify, the guys at the club are young good looking Chinese guys that work at the club. It is basically a OK club for women. In other words, women go to the club and the young men who work there will spend time with the ladies based on a per hour rate plus the women will buy drinks.
Some women just go to have a good looking guy talk to them, have fun, drink and maybe a little romance. Other women go looking to get laid (in which case the women will leave with the young guy and go to the hotel and of course she will pay the club and pay the young Chinese guy). Hey, this is Asia, it has something for everybody.
These types of clubs are NOT for guys walking in off the street. Nevertheless, the basis of the PM was the desire for members to meet older HK women. For those guys interested in doing that, it is very, very easy to get laid by an older HK women.
Other than meeting regular older HK women in HK, simply go to miss 148, 161 sex, or the famous sex 141. Click the area of Cheung Sha Wan, or Sham Shui Po. These two areas in HK are overrun by older (35 to 55) Chinese women who are 141 players. You will not be able to see their face in the pictures but it is a give away that they are old when they advertise sex, BJ for $Hk250 or less and their body is the shape of an oder women.
Simply take the train to one of these areas with your address and enjoy the time with an older Chinese women. I have done it a few times. Once, I had an older Chinese women, I was doing her doggie style and looking down at her big round chubby ass and thinking to myself, "gee, I am f_ucking someones grandmother."
Best bet for finding an older chick, simply select Cheung Sha Wan on miss 148. Also, just about any women listed on the sites stating sex and bj for HK$250 or under, you can assume she is past her prime.
Miss 148 is the best site to find cheap, really cheap sex in HK. Also, miss 148 has a search section which includes women who will do anal, CIM, etc. Enjoy!
Tried HK last night, ended up getting a massage. There are definitely plenty of places for ST around shanghai road area, and I even went into one that didn't have english signs. I was escorted to a room with a mini-karaoke setup (to legitimise the place?), and a girl was brought in to the VERY dark room. I looked carefully and noticed she was ugly, and made it clear I was looking fora massage and not ST. The papasan was kind of pushy but I stood my ground and said I wanted to be in a massage place. No problem in the end. He did show me a few more girls, one young cutie at the end but she ran away in fright when she saw me (scared of foreigners maybe?).
Ended up finding a place somewhere with lots of posters in the lobby, with floor numbers. I picked 11F I think it was, and got the whole Chinese routine I have read about before. Locked, bathrobe, an attendant that insists on watching as you undress etc. I didn't get to pick the massage girl but she was quite nice, and didn't speak a word of english (mainlander). Which made my first HK experience all the more interesting! Well, handjobs are universal so I didn't have any complaints in that department. She did talk on her cell phone for quite a bit, and I pointed it out to her with some hand gestures and we laughed about it after. All up, a good experience. I have a GPS location of the place if anyone wants it, but with the abundance of places here, I'm sure its not worth the bother.
I asked some locals, and the papasan about the whole 'sauna' deal and if the girl gets in the sauna with you, he said no because its illegal. So I'm not sure whether to try it. Anyway, by the time this review gets posted I'll be out of HK, so I'll take another gamble and see what else I can get!
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Gun Runner
02-17-10, 07:54
I have received two PM from members regarding one of my post several weeks ago. The post was regarding my statement that lonely HK women, often times older HK women, go to clubs in HK to be with men. The PMs I received asked me where are these clubs as these members were interested in going to the club. I will post my response for everyone with the assumption there may be others interested in banging older Chinese women.
To clarify, the guys at the club are young good looking Chinese guys that work at the club. It is basically a OK club for women. In other words, women go to the club and the young men who work there will spend time with the ladies based on a per hour rate plus the women will buy drinks.
Some women just go to have a good looking guy talk to them, have fun, drink and maybe a little romance. Other women go looking to get laid (in which case the women will leave with the young guy and go to the hotel and of course she will pay the club and pay the young Chinese guy). Hey, this is Asia, it has something for everybody.
These types of clubs are NOT for guys walking in off the street. Nevertheless, the basis of the PM was the desire for members to meet older HK women. For those guys interested in doing that, it is very, very easy to get laid by an older HK women.
Other than meeting regular older HK women in HK, simply go to miss 148, 161 sex, or the famous sex 141. Click the area of Cheung Sha Wan, or Sham Shui Po. These two areas in HK are overrun by older (35 to 55) Chinese women who are 141 players. You will not be able to see their face in the pictures but it is a give away that they are old when they advertise sex, BJ for $Hk250 or less and their body is the shape of an oder women.
Simply take the train to one of these areas with your address and enjoy the time with an older Chinese women. I have done it a few times. Once, I had an older Chinese women, I was doing her doggie style and looking down at her big round chubby ass and thinking to myself, "gee, I am f_ucking someones grandmother. "
Best bet for finding an older chick, simply select Cheung Sha Wan on miss 148. Also, just about any women listed on the sites stating sex and BJ for HK$250 or under, you can assume she is past her prime.
Miss 148 is the best site to find cheap, really cheap sex in HK. Also, miss 148 has a search section which includes women who will do anal, CIM, etc. Enjoy!Hello, All;
I'm going to be coming to HK on business in May, so I'm doing my homework now. I visited Miss148 and did a search, looks like some very promising action. Can I ask of the prices listed are in HKD? Is it a flat rate or do they also expect tips?
Thanks in Advance
California8
02-18-10, 01:47
For those on the way or in HK, I read that the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz and 4 accompanying ships with some 5,000 sailors arrived in HK Wednesday for a four day stay after five months at sea.
Cal8
Undercoverh
02-18-10, 01:50
Hello, All;
I'm going to be coming to HK on business in May, so I'm doing my homework now. I visited Miss148 and did a search, looks like some very promising action. Can I ask of the prices listed are in HKD? Is it a flat rate or do they also expect tips?
Thanks in Advance
My response is not just for "Gun Runner" but any interested in the answer to his question.
The short answer is all prices are always in HK dollars. Avoid giving a tip!
Note that providing a tip is a Western culture bad habit. HK guys never tip the 141 girls, we should follow their good lead. The price stated by the girl is based on what she thinks is a fair price for her services. Giving her a tip leads her to think she should price herself higher -- thus inflated prices! This is what happened in Wan Chai.
When I first visited HK 17+ years ago, prices for sex in Wan Chai and TST was cheap. Back then, you could get a good looking Chinese girl to stay with you ALL NIGHT for about HK250 to HK300. This included sex at least 2 times. Often times, it was hard to get rid them the next day.
What happened to the low prices! Well, over the past 17 years, more and more tourist/guys came to Wan Chai bidding up the sex prices by providing tips and over paying for sex. Also, the expats working in HK, who made big bucks back then, wanted to show off and threw money at the Chinese girls.
Now, the Flips are into the game asking HK1,000, HK1,500 and more for SHORT TIME! This is simply crazy and out of control. This is the reason I avoid all the tourist bars and any girl that works in that area. I hunt for sex where the locals go and the prices have not been inflated by the tourist.
To prove sex with a good looking young HK is still really cheap and it is a place where locals go and no tourist, check out sex 141 and click on "Tai Po" and look at all the young Chinese girls for HK350, note that pics are shown. Need more proof, check out Tsuen Wan and see all the lovely Chinese girls for HK350. These Chinese girls at HK350 look 5X better than the flips at HK1,000.
Why are the prices are so reasonable for Tai Po and many places like it in HK, it is because NO tourist go there and it is where the locals go.
Why do many girls from many parts of the world come to HK to sell sex especially in tourist bar areas such as Fenwicks (notice that they are not going to Thailand or the PI)? It is because the area in and around Fenwicks has gained an international reputation among the working P4P girls as a place where guys will pay four times or more the going rate for sex in Asia. Rest assured that these girls think Westerns are suckers for paying such high prices.
I know some guys will hate what I wrote and that's fine. My information and facts is directed towards the guys who want to avoid the overpriced tourist sex traps.
For those on the way or in HK, I read that the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz and 4 accompanying ships with some 5,000 sailors arrived in HK Wednesday for a four day stay after five months at sea.
Cal8
OMG. If you have not made firm plans, stay away. Or at least leave Hong Kong and go to Macau; or get on a plane and go to Thailand. 5000 sailors who had been cooped up on a ship at sea would only mean trouble; drunk, fights and unbelievable prices.
Thanks for the heads up
...I know some guys will hate what I wrote and that's fine. My information and facts is directed towards the guys who want to avoid the overpriced tourist sex traps.
I think you hit the Wan Chai nail right on the head. I could not agree with you more. I have known girls and such from Wan Chai for the last 9 years and I've seen the same trend and changes as you had mentioned. Granted I am not 1/10 as active as you are and very little play in HK, but even at my small scale I see exactly what you are saying.
Thanks for the great insight,
Be Safe,
APAC Man
PeterTaylor
02-18-10, 12:15
Thanks for the advice, it hepled me have a really great time.
Neptunes on Sundays and Mondays. Loads of girls from all corners of the World. I paid 2. 5k HK, around Ł200 for a Vietnameese pair. B&G who were 19/20. For an all nighter. They wanted 6k but were bartered down. They were really wild in the room and I had to put a pair of pants on to get some rest. I fucked both of them and came in their mouths. It was awesome, although I have to say that my penis was sore for a day or two afterwards as I'm not used to so much action. They spent 12 hours with me and I broke my own rule by giving them an extra 200HK for breakfast and taxi home.
Met a Filipina, Susan in Fenwicks. She was 32. She had me very aroused on the dancefloor and we had some very girl friend sex on 3 days/nights. Damage 2. 5k HK. Last night was a freebie as I took her for a meal.
Loved the Lisboa experience, particularls seeing the beauties who obviously don't shit like the rest of us dealing with customers in a very off hand manner. Waited for a girl who smiled and who knew that I was the customer. This was Li. Although limited English, she gave a great ST and then spent the night in my hotel room for breakfast. Again, I tipped and she was happy with 1. 5 HK.
I ventured into several Wanchai clubs and had a reasonable time. Business was poor and so they offered some good deals. Compared to England. Beer was cheap at 20/25 HK and although they added service the LDs came to 150 HK. My penis has never been so popular with offers to suck me off in the bars from 600 to 1k HK and an hr in a ST hotel on the street for 1200 to 2k.
Mostly Thai girls who would give it to you for a lot less in Pattaya, but market dictates. Lot of hassling, but no threats and reasonable VFM.
Cannot wait to go again.
Peter
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What would be the group discount during this period?
For those on the way or in HK, I read that the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz and 4 accompanying ships with some 5,000 sailors arrived in HK Wednesday for a four day stay after five months at sea.
Cal8
Those two guys have no idea what they are missing.
Wanchai is a free market cauldron on steroids.
Undercoverh
02-20-10, 16:36
Those two guys have no idea what they are missing.
Wanchai is a free market cauldron on steroids.
Being that I have lived and worked in HK for the past 13 years, I know what is in Wan Chai and that is why I avoid it.
I agree with you that Wan Chai is a free market, just like the housing bubble in America was a free market.
Just like the housing bubble, in Wan Chai, excited buyers threw reason and logic out the window and chased houses/pussy like there would be no more to be had the next day. With housing, in that free market, when the buyers ran out of money (banks cut back on lending), the prices started to drop -- FAST. When buyers saw prices dropping, more buyers stopped buying causing the prices to drop even faster.
The same market conditions that caused prices to drop in the housing bubble would cause prices to drop in Wan Chi and come back down to a reasonable level. I assure you that if ALL THE GUYS that visited Wan Chi did NOT agree to pay the overpriced prices and, for example, agreed to pay no more than HK400 for short time, prices would drop to HK400 or below -- this is the flip side of your free market.
In essence, Wan Chi has a "pussy pricing bubble." : - )
Johnny Rocket
02-20-10, 21:40
Being that I have lived and worked in HK for the past 13 years, I know what is in Wan Chai and that is why I avoid it.
I agree with you that Wan Chai is a free market, just like the housing bubble in America was a free market.
Just like the housing bubble, in Wan Chai, excited buyers threw reason and logic out the window and chased houses/pussy like there would be no more to be had the next day. With housing, in that free market, when the buyers ran out of money (banks cut back on lending), the prices started to drop -- FAST. When buyers saw prices dropping, more buyers stopped buying causing the prices to drop even faster.
The same market conditions that caused prices to drop in the housing bubble would cause prices to drop in Wan Chi and come back down to a reasonable level. I assure you that if ALL THE GUYS that visited Wan Chi did NOT agree to pay the overpriced prices and, for example, agreed to pay no more than HK400 for short time, prices would drop to HK400 or below -- this is the flip side of your free market.
In essence, Wan Chi has a "pussy pricing bubble." : - )
Undercover, you are correct. The post by "Peter Taylor" a few posts below this one is exhibit #1 in the answer to the question "why is Wan Chai so fucking overpriced?"
Unfortunately, even if we could get all the expats living locally to hold the line on price (which we couldn't), the tourists and the fucking American Navy would still come in and fuck it all up.
Undercoverh
02-20-10, 22:08
Undercover, you are correct. The post by "Peter Taylor" a few posts below this one is exhibit #1 in the answer to the question "why is Wan Chai so fucking overpriced?"
Unfortunately, even if we could get all the expats living locally to hold the line on price (which we couldn't), the tourists and the fucking American Navy would still come in and fuck it all up.
I agree! That's why I will avoid Wan Chai and stick to the non-tourist spots that the local HK guys go to.
Member #4271
02-20-10, 23:30
I don't want to start a flame war but how about we set up two threads on this forum? One for Wan Chai scene and one for 141 and the other stuff in HK?
As the people who defend each seem to feel very strongly about their preference, wouldn't it be easier to just have the whole HK forum be more specific?
Forum boards in other locations have similar separate threads so I think HK deserves it.
I don't want to start a flame war but how about we set up two threads on this forum? One for Wan Chai scene and one for 141 and the other stuff in HK?
As the people who defend each seem to feel very strongly about their preference, wouldn't it be easier to just have the whole HK forum be more specific?
Forum boards in other locations have similar separate threads so I think HK deserves it.I second Thewayoflaotzu's proposal which is an excellent idea !
May I give a further suggestion: we see again and again questions for current rates and conditions in all the forums. I would help to have in each forum a specific thread in which is exclusively to state current rates and maybe addresses of locations. That would make things much easier than searching through many reports. Just an idea.
Well, all very interesting stuff. I haven't lived in HK for 13 years. In fact the longest I have ever stayed in HK for any one time is 1 month. My usual stay is 7 - 10 days. I have however been to HK around 180 times in the last 20 years. I have been to Mainland China around 100 times during that same period.
Some observations for you to consider...
(1) It is possible to go to numerous areas in HK and find girls in what we refer to as "Walk Up" apartments. For almost an hour of sex and fun, you can expect to pay anything from HK$200 - HK$800 for this service. In most cases you will get change out of HK$500. The girls range from ugly to stunning so there is something for everyone.
(2) It is possible to visit spas and massage parlours in HK and for almost an hour of fun, you can expect to pay up to HK$500 for this service. The girls range from ugly to stunning so there is something for everyone. The quality of the service is typically very good.
(3) It is possible to visit one of several websites such as 141, 148, 161, etc and find further examples of (1) & (2) above, plus what we refer to as Hotel Girls. For almost an hour of sex and fun, you can expect to pay anything from HK$300 - HK$1500 for this service. In most cases you will get change out of HK$1000. The girls range from ugly to stunning so there is something for everyone. The HG gals are usually available for over night stays as well for extra cost.
(4) For Bros based in HK for a long time, or travelling to HK regularly, it possible to visit bars, night spots, the super market and yes... even Burger King... and strike up a relationship with a local gal. Of course these relationships can be free, however they often come with at least some degree of expectation there will be at least some commitment and at least some ongoing level of communication "from home". The occasional email, telephone call, Skype, SMS etc... Many of these relationships are free of money but not necessarily free of cost and hassle. You can also sometimes get the GREAT BIG Hong Kong Gal attitude as well...
(5) It is possible to go to anyone of numerous bars in Wan Chai & TST that are well known WG bars. You can simply walk up to a girl, ask her to join you for "fun" and pay anything from HK$1000 - $2000 for a ST (say 2 hours) vs HK$2000 - $4000 for LT (over night tay).
However, to the exact same girl in the exact same bar, you can relax and get to know each other, have a few drinks (and in most places NOT get ripped off by the cost of lady drinks), have a few laughs, help the girl to feel comfortable with you and your manner. Show the Gal that you didn't just arrive today, you know what goes on... in these cases, if there is just a tiny bit of chemistry (and usually there will be if you are polite and respectful) those same girls can be as low as HK$1,000 for an over night stay with multiple pops.
Now I haven't even mentioned Macau or Shen Zhen, but the point I am making is there are NUMEROUS options, all with their own pros and cons.
However, I grow weary at ANY suggestion that any time you go to Wan Chai or somewhere similar... you are over paying for sex. BULL - Freaking - SH*T.
I have not lived in HK, but I have experience with all the examples above. I have come to conclude that there are things I like and dislike about EVERY SINGLE one. On balance though, I want to have sex in MY HOTEL room. I like that better. That's just me. It feels cleaner and I feel more in control of the situation. I believe there is a value to that.
I want to get to know the gal a little first, I want to chat and see what she is like, get to know her personality, after all... if she annoys me there are plenty of others waiting in the wings. I believe there is a value to knowing I like the gal before I spend any money.
Finally, if I am in the mood for sex TONIGHT... I want it TONIGHT. I dont want any BULL SH*T lets get to know each other over dinner first like you can get with a "freebee" you met at ParkNShop.
So, what this means is simple. I realise, I need to pay more than HK$300 to get exactly what I want AND in the circumstances I want it. I either value what I want sufficiently to pay more for it or I dont.
That is why I DONT stay away from Wan Chai... and that doesn't make me wrong, it is just the best way to get exactly what I want when I want it.
I am the first to acknowledge, other Bros have other priorities, and THAT may make Wan Chai a less attractive option. That is fine.
BTW, my way can have value as well. I have a gorgeous Korean Gal I have known for a few years, I send her an email when I am going to be in HK for while and she comes down and spends the week with me. My last time with her (late last year) cost me HK$7,200 for 10 nights and 16 pops. That was a pre arranged amount of HK$5,000 + food & drinks at various times during the stay. I rated that excellent value (just do the math per pop) and she is a Gal I first met at a well known tourist bar... go figure.
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I had an older Chinese women, I was doing her doggie style and looking down at her big round chubby ass and thinking to myself, "gee, I am f_ucking someones grandmother. "Of course, if one's most important criteria is an orgasm, I guess this does the job. Nothing wrong with it, except it's not my scene. Mind you, if it's just an orgasm you are looking for, you could watch porn and jack-off instead, depending on the quality of the porn some may prefer that to a granny? Personally. Just personally. I'd rather pay a little more and get something I really like.
I can get a beautiful early 20's Chinese, Mongolian, Korean gal, in these "tourist bars". (TST, LKF or Wan Chai) a Gal I have seen face to face so I know her look hasn't been photoshopped. I can establish she speaks good English and I enjoy her company. I can run a few ideas past her so I know there won't be any disappointment later and I can enjoy 2. 3 hours of her company and multiple pops in the comfort and safety of my own room for about HK$1, 000. $1, 500. That's HK$500 $750 a pop. On a Friday or Saturday night! Sunday through Thursday, I can pay the same money and get an over-nighter. As many pops as I want.
However. I have heard a toothless BJ is something really special? I can't get that so easily in a "tourist bar".
"I agree with you that Wan Chai is a free market, just like the housing bubble in America was a free market. "
Since the expat population in HK bears a direct relation to the fortunes of the banking industry, it follows that the price model employed in Wanchai roughly correlates with the gyrations of the global securities markets.
However, only in Wanchai can you find the literal meaning of naked shorting and butterfly spreads.
May I give a further suggestion: we see again and again questions for current rates and conditions in all the forums. I would help to have in each forum a specific thread in which is exclusively to state current rates and maybe addresses of locations. That would make things much easier than searching through many reports. Just an idea.That's a great idea. It would help first timers avoid overpaying and solve some of the problems we talk about. Perhaps the thread should have a sticky template that outlines how to present the price so there is continuity for easier comparison. Ie. Inc mock example
Date / Day: 10/10/10 Friday
Where: Neptune Wan Chai
Time: 1am
Nationality: Thai
Face (out of 10): 7/10
Body (out of 10): 7/10
Age of Gal (approx): 25
Duration: 3 hours
Number of pops: 2
Service included: BBBJ, Mish, CG, DG, Massage
Quality of service (out of 10): 7/10
Price: HK$1, 000
Tip & Misc: HK$50 for taxi
Retry Index (out of 10): 7/10
In other words, save the reports for the report section, this is just a brief overview of what you got and how much it cost. Nothing more than above. Soon we will have a library of pricing info to review and refer to.
Member #4271
02-22-10, 00:20
He said it much better than me and I've only been to Hong Kong twice so far for about 40 days total.
I think, in defense of dissenting opinions, I am speaking as a white man.
I have read on this board that things are entirely different in Wanchai for other races in those same clubs.
HK is a weird place; there's a kind of racism at work with the treatment of the Indonesian and Filipino DHs in the city and then there's a reverse racism with the Indonesian and Filipino WGs in the bars.
I've never paid a cover to get in and I know that Asian and Indian men are routinely charged a cover.
And I know that if I like an Indonesian girl from Wanchai, and take her to dinner in public, that I'm gonna get looks from the local Chinese.
Johnny Rocket
02-22-10, 23:08
I agree! That's why I will avoid Wan Chai and stick to the non-tourist spots that the local HK guys go to.
Agreed, I normally do too. But sometimes I want a Flipper or Indo, and I don't want the embarrassment or hassle of trying to meet them in a public place in the daytime. The best alternative is Wan Chai. So I do sometimes take the plunge.
Oliver 0205
02-23-10, 15:08
Gentlemen,
Does anybody know where the russian girls are lately? In the past you could find them at Dragon eyes, but quite expensive, or late at night they also have been in Wanchai, but I didn't see one of them these last weeks.
Thanky for a hint.
Gentlemen,
Does anybody know where the russian girls are lately? In the past you could find them at Dragon eyes, but quite expensive, or late at night they also have been in Wanchai, but I didn't see one of them these last weeks.
Thanky for a hint.They have been M.I.A. from their regular TST haunts as well. Not sure the reason. Typically you can find a selection of half a dozen at Hari's Bar in TST however recently no so lucky.
Expensive in HK compared to Beijing. Lot's & LOTS of Russian Gals there at around 1/2 the price.
Iwannahumpalot
02-24-10, 17:46
Was in HK over the Chinese New Year and made the rounds of some of the popular bars. Hari's was pretty much dead over the weekend but the band there is a lot of fun and kept the lurkers entertained. Mostly filipina ladies there including a ladyboy who had picked up some unsuspecting traveller and was being taunted at by the singers in the band. I don't mind Hari's as I just mainly want to enjoy a few beers and catch the bad. Not overly excited by the talent there over the weekend.
Also ventured down to another favorite place of mine. Sticky Fingers where the music is always loud. In the past I always had a good time here and atmosphere has been upbeat especially on Friday night as you get the office crowd ready to let some steam off. In the past I used to see a regular bunch of Russians, Colombians, Filipina and Chinese honeys. This time it was dead. Not much happening mid-week but perhaps its due to CNY. Never had a problem taking a cutie home from here. Hoped to see if one of the old regulars filipina girls was still there. Went by the name of Jade but not working. Anyone know if she is still in HK. Most of the girls looked tired and disinterested so I moved on. Went over to Spicy Fingers in Wan Chai and different mood altogether. Settled for a nice filipina girl from neptunes. Overall TST felt dead.
I want to get to know the gal a little first, I want to chat and see what she is like, get to know her personality, after all... if she annoys me there are plenty of others waiting in the wings. I believe there is a value to knowing I like the gal before I spend any money.
TT, absoutely everything you said in your earlier post was totally and utterly brilliant and perfectly articulated.
I share exactly the same opinion.
You wouldn't buy a pair of shoes without trying them on, and the Wan Chai experience allows the same 'try before you buy' facility.
I want to chat and get to know the girl and maybe dance and have some fun before the main event.
I don't criticise them (everyone's different), but I frankly don't understand the 'wham bam' mentality of some (clearly, many) guys, who just want to cum s quickly and can cheaply as possible. If you're that desperate to shoot your load, just drill a hole in a fucking melon! LOL.
With regard to your para above, I once started having a great time time with a flipper in Fenwick, and we started making out at the bar, having some serious DFK (BTW, I find that this happens to me on almost 80% of occassions, after I've had a chance to chat with the girl, even briefly - is this common?).
Anyway, despite me telling her not to, she kept biting my lip, enough to cause a bruise. Too difficult to explain away to SO, so even though she was stunning and my dick said 'take her' I was sober enough to resist and look elsewhere. Exactly as you stated it TT.
I once started having a great time time with a flipper in Fenwick, and we started making out at the bar, having some serious DFK (BTW, I find that this happens to me on almost 80% of occassions, after I've had a chance to chat with the girl, even briefly. Is this common?).I think it sends a message to other WG's. "this guy's mine! Just in case they are looking on and wondering if you are interested. And yes, who would buy a car without taking it for a test drive? Sure you'll never be 100% certain the car is A1 mechanically, but at least you can tell if it needs a wheel aliegnment.
Was in HK over the Chinese New Year and made the rounds of some of the popular bars. Hari's was pretty much dead over the weekend but the band there is a lot of fun and kept the lurkers entertained. Mostly filipina ladies there including a ladyboy. Overall TST felt dead.I heard the resident ladyboy is Thai? If it is the one I have noticed at Harry's
Previously, I have seen (him/her) go off hand in hand with some guys you would just never suspect. I don't know if they are "surprised" or how it ends up but it just goes to show. Everyone is different.
I know all the Mongolian Gals went home before the CNY holiday, I guess lots of others did as well. I am sure it will be alive and kicking from mid April when all the fairs are on.
TT, absoutely everything you said in your earlier post was totally and utterly brilliant and perfectly articulated.
I share exactly the same opinion.I agree and also dislike the "wham bam" strategy just to add up on more shot somewhere on or in a female body.
Still there are also many reports that a nice and positivve "pre-check" turns into a nightmare when in the (bed)room.
Probably some prefers to save the hassle and right to "hit or miss".
Surely they miss the fun the girl can give before (as that will happen anyhow!)
Lookingforlust
02-25-10, 14:31
I will be going to HK during the 1st and 2nd week of March. I have been reading through the forum on what the expect in the bar scene and the saunas, what I dont understand is the Night Clubs. I was checking out this site man169.com. I am seeing different prices from $88 to 388. Some of the ad look like they have a time on it 3pm, 9pm. While is there such a different in price, and what can I expect from the girls? When I click on the link for one of the clubs. I see a Big room with a roll of seats along the wall and a few coffee table. Is this placing only for drinking?
Bob Builder
02-26-10, 04:55
I will be going to HK during the 1st and 2nd week of March. I have been reading through the forum on what the expect in the bar scene and the saunas, what I dont understand is the Night Clubs. I was checking out this site man169.com. I am seeing different prices from $88 to 388. Some of the ad look like they have a time on it 3pm, 9pm. While is there such a different in price, and what can I expect from the girls? When I click on the link for one of the clubs. I see a Big room with a roll of seats along the wall and a few coffee table. Is this placing only for drinking?
If you have to ask these types of questions, stay away from these types of places. Unless you have someone take you to a place they have been to before or are a regular, don't go unless you have more $$$ than sense.
Despite what the $ figure says in the advertisement and it appears you don't read Chinese, you may be out of pocket by $500 - $1000 before you leave the place with a gal and then have to pay for the gal and a hotel room. Some of these places actually charge to the time that a gal sits with you on top of the drinks.
....Some of the ad look like they have a time on it 3pm, 9pm. While is there such a different in price, and what can I expect from the girls? When I click on the link for one of the clubs. I see a Big room with a roll of seats along the wall and a few coffee table. Is this placing only for drinking?it's a KTV but if you do not know what they are, follow the recommendation you got from a fellow ISG'r here...do not go.
KTV are for groups anyhow
Going there alone is...no fun, money spent...and that is it
Gun Runner
02-28-10, 13:35
My response is not just for "Gun Runner" but any interested in the answer to his question.
The short answer is all prices are always in HK dollars. Avoid giving a tip!
Note that providing a tip is a Western culture bad habit. HK guys never tip the 141 girls, we should follow their good lead. The price stated by the girl is based on what she thinks is a fair price for her services. Giving her a tip leads her to think she should price herself higher -- thus inflated prices! This is what happened in Wan Chai.
When I first visited HK 17+ years ago, prices for sex in Wan Chai and TST was cheap. Back then, you could get a good looking Chinese girl to stay with you ALL NIGHT for about HK250 to HK300. This included sex at least 2 times. Often times, it was hard to get rid them the next day.
What happened to the low prices! Well, over the past 17 years, more and more tourist/guys came to Wan Chai bidding up the sex prices by providing tips and over paying for sex. Also, the expats working in HK, who made big bucks back then, wanted to show off and threw money at the Chinese girls.
Now, the Flips are into the game asking HK1,000, HK1,500 and more for SHORT TIME! This is simply crazy and out of control. This is the reason I avoid all the tourist bars and any girl that works in that area. I hunt for sex where the locals go and the prices have not been inflated by the tourist.
To prove sex with a good looking young HK is still really cheap and it is a place where locals go and no tourist, check out sex 141 and click on "Tai Po" and look at all the young Chinese girls for HK350, note that pics are shown. Need more proof, check out Tsuen Wan and see all the lovely Chinese girls for HK350. These Chinese girls at HK350 look 5X better than the flips at HK1,000.
Why are the prices are so reasonable for Tai Po and many places like it in HK, it is because NO tourist go there and it is where the locals go.
Why do many girls from many parts of the world come to HK to sell sex especially in tourist bar areas such as Fenwicks (notice that they are not going to Thailand or the PI)? It is because the area in and around Fenwicks has gained an international reputation among the working P4P girls as a place where guys will pay four times or more the going rate for sex in Asia. Rest assured that these girls think Westerns are suckers for paying such high prices.
I know some guys will hate what I wrote and that's fine. My information and facts is directed towards the guys who want to avoid the overpriced tourist sex traps.Thanks for the information, I'll do my part to keep the prices down.. Do the girls travel between cities? For example would a girl from Tai Po come to Kowloon ( I believe that is where I will be staying). And is overnight really overnight of unlimted action or is it a 1 or 2 time deal?
Thanks for the information, I'll do my part to keep the prices down.. Do the girls travel between cities? For example would a girl from Tai Po come to Kowloon ( I believe that is where I will be staying). And is overnight really overnight of unlimted action or is it a 1 or 2 time deal?
Hi GR. To answer your question, in most cases, the girls you refer to (ie. < HK$500 from areas like Tai Po that you find on the 141 web site) will not travel to Kowloon. You may find an exception? However usual case no.
what you need to keep in mind, is that most of these girls are originally from Mainland China. They did not assess the situation and decide "I would rather work out of Tai Po than TST because I am happy to only make HK$350 / pop".
It is them who were assessed by their papasan and based on their REAL looks, their service, and their communication skills, they were located there. You need to keep in mind... the pics in the 141 data base are usually VERY heavily photoshopped. Bros who have high reading access at sex 141 would agree, the "real pics" are OFTEN a big disappointment... not always, but often.
That's not to say you should not try Tai Po, or Yuen Long, or Tsuen Wan etc... go for it. However keep in mind, you are paying < HK$500 for a reason and it is not as simple as "tourists dont go there". In many cases, you will get about 45 minutes with an average looking gal who speaks no English and will lack the passion some Bros are looking for.
You may also get really lucky in which case be sure to share the news so other Bros can try her out before she gets relocated to an area where she can make more money for her (papasan/agent).
In reference to what overnight means, this is best established when negotiating the original deal. You need to be very clear on this issue to ensure no confusion. It can mean whatever it is the Gal agrees to. Be sure to mention number of pops and what time in the morning she will leave. Whatever you do, dont pay up front.
I should add, most "regional" gals in non tourist areas like Tai Po are not offering overnight as an option. You could pay for double and triple sessions, ie 45 to 55 mins x2 or x3, but that costs double or triple. Then you get to a point where you may as well have sourced something in Wan Chai or TST and paid more to get more to begin with.
My point is simple, every option has it's own set of pros and cons. You just need to decide what's best for you.
Gun Runner
03-04-10, 04:39
Tony,
Thanks much for your input and the helpful information. I will continue to monitor the forum and keep up with the reports before I come.
JackTheLad2
03-04-10, 04:46
Jackthelad is back in his favourite place – Hong Kong – and, with some mates, heads for the usual Wan Chai hot spots. Jet lag has been replaced by that anticipation of a good time about to happen. In our eagerness we are there too early on an unusually quiet Monday night. Although I have never met her before, I have been in almost daily contact with Nonette from Manila since last December and who is currently working in Singapore but has flown over “just to meet me”. The fact that her 4 week visa in Singapore was just about to expire was only a coincidence. I arrange to meet her in Laguna – not my favourite mongering place but surprisingly busy at about 10.00pm. She finds me and lo and behold she is better looking in the flesh than she is online. She is wearing a “little black thing” which is showing off most of her. I’m impressed and a drink or so later she is all over me like a rash. Real GFE. I’m more than impressed. Off we go to my hotel after a couple of hours socialising and getting to know each other better. We shower together – she is all over me – and into bed – very GFE and after the usual foreplay which included DATY etc, I am just about to climb on board when she suggests we wait until morning. Alarm bells start to ring. She says she has had too many tequilas. I am not impressed any more but she is not for changing her mind. So I suggest she gets dressed and I take her back to Wan Chai. On the plus side no money has been talked about and none is handed over. Taxi back to Wan Chai and I say my goodbyes and head for Borocay. It’s fairly quiet there but I spot a Chinese girl who is reasonably attractive and quite tall. I buy her a drink and suggest we go to some other place but she tells me she is always refused entry to places like Escape and Neptunes as she is Chinese. We agree HK$1000 for the rest of the night. She is called Toto. Remember the name. Taxi back to the hotel. After a shower together, things are looking good and just before we get into my now unmade bed when she asks for the money up front. I politely refuse but show her the money and leave it on the bed side table. She still wants it (the money I mean). Time to assert my authority. Ok honey – get dressed and lets go. Taxi back to Borocay where we part company on friendly terms. A reminder that Toto is the name. So far I have had plenty kissing, body contact, touching etc etc but no sex! At least it has only cost me a few taxi fares and a couple of drinks. I am getting an inferiority complex. I then make a tour of the usual haunts Neptunes, Escape, Amazonia, Laguna, Galaxy but they are mostly empty as it is after 4.00am now. I’m just about to call it a day when I spot a cutie coming out of Escape. I ask where she is going – the 7-Eleven shop across the road – and I suggest she comes back to my hotel with me. She says she does not know me and I propose a drink in Galaxy. She agrees and she is greatly reassured that I am not Jack the Ripper when I am greeted like a long lost friend in Galaxy by the Manager, staff and the Mamasan. We agree HK$1000 until 9.30am as she has to be back in her “prison” by then otherwise she is fined by her Manager. Her name is Shirly – educated, intelligent and articulate. I get the usual stories about life back in Manila but she is interesting. She is staying in a small room with 12 other girls (only 2 beds) which costs her HK$60 a night plus HK$13 for food. She is tightly controlled – she is actually not allowed out during the day and her Manager dictates her “working” hours. Its as near to trafficking as I have got to and which was a subject of discussion a few weeks ago on this forum. I have no reason to disbelieve what she tells me. She is also only allowed to leave with a customer after 4.00am.
Taxi back to the hotel – by this time I feel I know most of the HK taxi drivers. This time I knock it off – she is a wow in bed. Enough said and she leaves at 9.30am as arranged. I can’t wait to meet her the next night.
At this point I work out that I have spent HK$3100 in my first night – too much. We (my mates included) agree we have to go easy on Tuesday night. HK$2100 is on drink – mainly ladies drinks. My mates are not much better off financially. A bit more care is required.
We hit the well known spots on Tuesday, but again it is fairly quiet. I meet Shirly (24 years of age) in Galaxy and am looking forward to another night with her when she reminds me she cannot come to my hotel until 4.00am. Would that be OK with me? Certainly not but we part on good terms with the potential to meet up later. Cut a long story short – we (the mates) all head back to the hotel about 2.00am – we are truly knackered. An early night for all is a good idea – backed up by the bank manager as well. At 4.00am Shirly phones – can she come over? I have to decline.
Wednesday night arrives and off we all go. I bump into Nonette – she still loves me and wants me but she has met a friend who is buying her drinks and she says she will see me later. I leave the door open. I meet Shirly who is agitated that I can’t wait until the bewitching hour of 4.00am for her. Things are not looking too good but there art plenty of others who are making the usual approaches in the bars. I decide on a change of plan – get their numbers for later in case of emergencies. I meet Nonette again – her friend is still buying her drinks and she tells me it is the wrong time of the month for her – can I meet her in a couple of days? I wish her all the best and delete her number from my phone.
Its getting late – plan B gets put into place. I phone Winnie whose number I got in Neptunes earlier – she is still there. I meet her – she wants me to take her friend as well but I am not into twosomes – it takes me all my time to handle one although the thought was appealing. No drinks are bought and we agree HK$1000 for 3 hours. She is 34 with 2 kids and in the bar talked too much. Back at the hotel she was amazing – totally different and we had a great time. All the usual positions, starting of with a BBBJ, then 69. I let her go – a happy man - before the 3 hours was up. I have a fall back for the rest of the week if needed.
Overall, even in the couple of months since I was here last year, things have changed – and my mates agree. The quality is so-so and variable. I know it’s a business for the girls but this has not always been so obvious and “in your face” as in the past. Without question, places are quieter - they are not as busy as they used to be. The “trafficking” and “control” over the non-freelancers is something I have not seen before, although always suspected was going on in the background. Not allowing girls out during the day is new to me however. Anyone els come up against this?
Maybe I’m just getting older and losing my touch.
The experiences of my mates so far has also not been all that different to mine.
More to follow
Hey Jack, I think the time of year is working against you. I was in town mid Jan and Wan Chai was great. In early Dec absolutely spectacular. I was also in HK late October (great) and early November not as good.
I'll be back in April which is always a great time of year.
I spot a cutie coming out of Escape. I ask where she is going – the 7-Eleven shop across the road – and I suggest she comes back to my hotel with me. She says she does not know me and I propose a drink in Galaxy...She is staying in a small room with 12 other girls (only 2 beds) which costs her HK$60 a night plus HK$13 for food. She is tightly controlled – she is actually not allowed out during the day and her Manager dictates her “working” hours. Its as near to trafficking as I have got to and which was a subject of discussion a few weeks ago on this forum. I have no reason to disbelieve what she tells me. She is also only allowed to leave with a customer after 4.00am.
Hey Jack .. have appreciated the reports. Just an alternate point of view here.
The fact that she is paying $60 a night for room and $13 for doesn't mean it is trafficking ... it is just trying to nickel and dime them. It's the way the Philippine economy works. I do have to say that if the girl is moving between Escape and Galaxy and 7-11 that she doesn't seem as tightly controlled as she says. It might be that she was simply looking for the biggest dollar option. Dunno.
And $1,000 for 3 hours? Almost better to go to Mongkok for 3 pops for that money. Probably could do okay at Karaoke as well, especially if you are with mates and each spending $3,000 a night, but then it's been a while since I have done that.
YMMV
Thought I would offer this for what it is worth.
There has been a lot of discussion about Wanchai versus other places, as well as discussion about how domestic helpers, with a little input, can become great freebies. Also, on different boards, there has been a lot of discussion about 'falling for' a working girl.
About six months ago, I cultivated a couple of 'friends.' One was a 24 y.o. Indo domestic helper who was always in Wanchai on Sundays with her friends.
Sex was free. We spent time outside of the bars together. I showed her around Hong Kong. She spent most of her day off with me at my flat.
Based upon a post here about being clear up front with what the situation was given the number of fish in the sea, I made it clear that a) yes there were other people and b) if she did, that would be that. (Call me an b@stard).
I got the numerous, "No, Hun, I not go with another guy." We talked about me signing her contract and moving her in to my flat. Usual ups and downs. Hesitation, hesitation.
Things ultimately came to a head when she announced that she was not going to be with me if I had other 'friends.' Fair enough ... I can respect that. I had placed the same requirement on her. Then the rest came out over a couple of weeks, designed by her to try and elicit pain on my part. She had been screwing her old boyfriend who had moved to Singapore six months prior to my meeting her, and she had then decided that she would also continue taking 'customers' for money as well.
At the end, after saying ciao, she wanted back (a couple of days). I am dumb, but not stupid.
I post this just as a warning ... we think that it is a freebie situation, but it isn't, even if we are not paying for it. You're always paying for it one way or another and it is important not to lose sight of that. The girls are there for the money, or the potential for the money down the road. They will lie cheat and steal from you with very little (read: no) remorse. Realize that it is all a game for them, as that is what their upbringing and situation requires. I had thought that one could take the bar out of the girl, in some instances, but I was wrong.
When you think you have found the 'diamond in the rough,' realize that it is only the 'diamond in the rough in the diamond in the rough' that is a potential.
Oh, and cover up. There is a lot of 'stuff' going around Wanchai. I know thanks to her. Curable, but a pain close to the @ss.
Just wanted to add this as a reminder (and not as a whine) for people that think that their bar-friend girlfriends are anything other than bargirls. The comments on this and other forums are very appropos.
Puerto La Cruz
03-05-10, 02:25
Jackthelad is back in his favourite place – Hong Kong – and, with some mates, heads for the usual Wan Chai hot spots. Jet lag has been replaced by that anticipation of a good time about to happen. In our eagerness we are there too early on an unusually quiet Monday night. Although I have never met her before, I have been in almost daily contact with Nonette from Manila since last December and who is currently working in Singapore but has flown over “just to meet me”. The fact that her 4 week visa in Singapore was just about to expire was only a coincidence. I arrange to meet her in Laguna – not my favourite mongering place but surprisingly busy at about 10.00pm. She finds me and lo and behold she is better looking in the flesh than she is online. She is wearing a “little black thing” which is showing off most of her. I’m impressed and a drink or so later she is all over me like a rash. Real GFE. I’m more than impressed. Off we go to my hotel after a couple of hours socialising and getting to know each other better. We shower together – she is all over me – and into bed – very GFE and after the usual foreplay which included DATY etc, I am just about to climb on board when she suggests we wait until morning. Alarm bells start to ring. She says she has had too many tequilas. I am not impressed any more but she is not for changing her mind. So I suggest she gets dressed and I take her back to Wan Chai. On the plus side no money has been talked about and none is handed over. Taxi back to Wan Chai and I say my goodbyes and head for Borocay. It’s fairly quiet there but I spot a Chinese girl who is reasonably attractive and quite tall. I buy her a drink and suggest we go to some other place but she tells me she is always refused entry to places like Escape and Neptunes as she is Chinese. We agree HK$1000 for the rest of the night. She is called Toto. Remember the name. Taxi back to the hotel. After a shower together, things are looking good and just before we get into my now unmade bed when she asks for the money up front. I politely refuse but show her the money and leave it on the bed side table. She still wants it (the money I mean). Time to assert my authority. Ok honey – get dressed and lets go. Taxi back to Borocay where we part company on friendly terms. A reminder that Toto is the name. So far I have had plenty kissing, body contact, touching etc etc but no sex! At least it has only cost me a few taxi fares and a couple of drinks. I am getting an inferiority complex. I then make a tour of the usual haunts Neptunes, Escape, Amazonia, Laguna, Galaxy but they are mostly empty as it is after 4.00am now. I’m just about to call it a day when I spot a cutie coming out of Escape. I ask where she is going – the 7-Eleven shop across the road – and I suggest she comes back to my hotel with me. She says she does not know me and I propose a drink in Galaxy. She agrees and she is greatly reassured that I am not Jack the Ripper when I am greeted like a long lost friend in Galaxy by the Manager, staff and the Mamasan. We agree HK$1000 until 9.30am as she has to be back in her “prison” by then otherwise she is fined by her Manager. Her name is Shirly – educated, intelligent and articulate. I get the usual stories about life back in Manila but she is interesting. She is staying in a small room with 12 other girls (only 2 beds) which costs her HK$60 a night plus HK$13 for food. She is tightly controlled – she is actually not allowed out during the day and her Manager dictates her “working” hours. Its as near to trafficking as I have got to and which was a subject of discussion a few weeks ago on this forum. I have no reason to disbelieve what she tells me. She is also only allowed to leave with a customer after 4.00am.
Taxi back to the hotel – by this time I feel I know most of the HK taxi drivers. This time I knock it off – she is a wow in bed. Enough said and she leaves at 9.30am as arranged. I can’t wait to meet her the next night.
At this point I work out that I have spent HK$3100 in my first night – too much. We (my mates included) agree we have to go easy on Tuesday night. HK$2100 is on drink – mainly ladies drinks. My mates are not much better off financially. A bit more care is required.
We hit the well known spots on Tuesday, but again it is fairly quiet. I meet Shirly (24 years of age) in Galaxy and am looking forward to another night with her when she reminds me she cannot come to my hotel until 4.00am. Would that be OK with me? Certainly not but we part on good terms with the potential to meet up later. Cut a long story short – we (the mates) all head back to the hotel about 2.00am – we are truly knackered. An early night for all is a good idea – backed up by the bank manager as well. At 4.00am Shirly phones – can she come over? I have to decline.
Wednesday night arrives and off we all go. I bump into Nonette – she still loves me and wants me but she has met a friend who is buying her drinks and she says she will see me later. I leave the door open. I meet Shirly who is agitated that I can’t wait until the bewitching hour of 4.00am for her. Things are not looking too good but there art plenty of others who are making the usual approaches in the bars. I decide on a change of plan – get their numbers for later in case of emergencies. I meet Nonette again – her friend is still buying her drinks and she tells me it is the wrong time of the month for her – can I meet her in a couple of days? I wish her all the best and delete her number from my phone.
Its getting late – plan B gets put into place. I phone Winnie whose number I got in Neptunes earlier – she is still there. I meet her – she wants me to take her friend as well but I am not into twosomes – it takes me all my time to handle one although the thought was appealing. No drinks are bought and we agree HK$1000 for 3 hours. She is 34 with 2 kids and in the bar talked too much. Back at the hotel she was amazing – totally different and we had a great time. All the usual positions, starting of with a BBBJ, then 69. I let her go – a happy man - before the 3 hours was up. I have a fall back for the rest of the week if needed.
Overall, even in the couple of months since I was here last year, things have changed – and my mates agree. The quality is so-so and variable. I know it’s a business for the girls but this has not always been so obvious and “in your face” as in the past. Without question, places are quieter - they are not as busy as they used to be. The “trafficking” and “control” over the non-freelancers is something I have not seen before, although always suspected was going on in the background. Not allowing girls out during the day is new to me however. Anyone els come up against this?
Maybe I’m just getting older and losing my touch.
The experiences of my mates so far has also not been all that different to mine.
More to follow
Dude, those of us with short attention spans, eating dinner, watching the news or otherwise easily distracted, need to see paragraphs without run on sentences. I'm surprised Jackson has not jumped all over you about that.
I normally avail myself of the opportunities in Wanchai, but decided to make my second trip to the Kowloon side for a couple of reasons, one is called Mongolian and the second is CIS/ FSU, and with the hope that maybe a stray Brazilian or Columbian with a better attitude might be found. Well, it was not to B.
Entered Hari's about 8, to take advantage of the happy hour pricing and to see what early offerings might be available. Another esteemed member of the board met me and we moved to the bar area. There were a few ladies at this early hour, trying to catch the before dinner crowd. The only one that really caught my eye was an exotic looking Russian lady, not "hot" in the normal since, but certainly a different look. As we were leaving to go to dinner, I asked her from where she hailed and she said "Russia", I inquired where and she responded "eastern". Anyway, I said I hoped to see her when I returned later in the evening and she gave me her number.
After a corned beef and cabbage at the Irish Pub, we went to Stickyfingers, not much in the way of girls around, but the band is great. That is if you like 80's R+R cover bands. The lead guitarist is off the hook and I really enjoyed their rendition of "Free Bird". There was one gal in a black outfit that truly looked like she just walked off the cover of a fashion magazine. She gave a couple of looks, but as we were leaving she went out for a smoke and that ended my interest other than to see what she looked like close up. As it turns out she and her girlfriend were also from Russia.
My partner in crime had to go to work, so he headed home and I returned to Hari's hoping for an improvement in the opportunities. It was not to B. The Russian and her friend were still there, and a few more gals including one cute and "active" Fili gal, but not a "northern sister" in sight. Nor a So. American beauty. I inquired from the Russian about pricing and to my chagrin was greeted by a large number in USD! I asked it that was for the two of them for a couple of days. She smiled and said, "no only for one for a few hours and only if you are staying close by. "
It was obvious that we weren't going to get to an agreement, and she said to let her know if I changed my mind. The cute Filli came over and we chatted, I don't know for sure, but I suspect she was over 30 and would have had a hard time getting much attention in Wanchai, but she could dance and we aren't in Wanchai.
After a few minutes I asked about her "donation levels" and again was quoted in USD. I asked if I was lost, because I don't carry dollars, and I only wanted her company for a evening not two days. She also was not amused.
I never did see one of the objects of my desires, and understanding market issues was prepared to pay a little more, but not for a product inferior to what I could get with a 15 min cab ride.
At the end I went home alone and felt good about that decision. I will go back occasionally to check for a specific type of lady, but it seems the hunting is like real estate pricing. Location, location, location!
Lookingforlust
03-05-10, 06:11
Hi,
I just arrive in HK. I know where I can go to get extra, but after the long flight, I just want to get a good massage to get the kink out of my back.
Thanks
Hi,
I just arrive in HK. I know where I can go to get extra, but after the long flight, I just want to get a good massage to get the kink out of my back.
Thanks
I'd recommend the Blue Sky sauna at Causeway Bay Plaza - this is an old favourite of mine. They have several girls that can do a really, really good veggie massage, but all sorts of extras are on the menu too if you feel like it.
They don't do the hard-sell though. You can have just the massage and walk out without any hassle.
Ask for 61, the Shanghai girl. Her massage is terrific. Or just ask the papa for any girl that does a good, ordinary massage.
Member #4271
03-05-10, 09:55
JOverall, even in the couple of months since I was here last year, things have changed – and my mates agree. The quality is so-so and variable. I know it’s a business for the girls but this has not always been so obvious and “in your face” as in the past. Without question, places are quieter - they are not as busy as they used to be.
Okay, I am visiting in April and budgeting $2000HK per day including Wanchai. I have to ask since I like your posts Jack: How the hell did you or your friend spend $3100HK in one night? $2100HK for drinks you said?
At Christmas, I was picky and usually spent no more than $1500HK per night or $1000HK per night. Apart from one bad 2 girl experience, and one Filipino asking $2000HK for the night at 2 AM, things were mellow and quiet and required a lot more work than last year.
I have a few girls from last year and last Christmas lined up already but there's no way I'm paying more than $1500HK LT per night.
Typically I do not waste a lot of time in the bars. I usually scope out the girl I like and buy her a drink and then seal the deal. I'm not one to buy loads of drinks and make chitchat all night in the bars. And I tended to not even bother showing up until after midnight.
Thought I would offer this for what it is worth...
I post this just as a warning ... we think that it is a freebie situation, but it isn't, even if we are not paying for it. You're always paying for it one way or another and it is important not to lose sight of that. The girls are there for the money, or the potential for the money down the road. They will lie cheat and steal from you with very little (read: no) remorse. Realize that it is all a game for them, as that is what their upbringing and situation requires. I had thought that one could take the bar out of the girl, in some instances, but I was wrong.Extremely valuable post.
I normally avail myself of the opportunities in Wanchai, but decided to make my second trip to the Kowloon side for a couple of reasons, one is called Mongolian...I think the Mongol Gals will be back in April. They were in town "on mass" mid Jan but went home for the holidays.
After a few minutes I asked about her "donation levels" and again was quoted in USD. I asked if I was lost, because I don't carry dollars, and I only wanted her company for a evening not two days. She also was not amused.Wow, I haven't been asked for USD$ for ages, years in fact, especially at Hari's.
Yeah I was surprised as well, especially twice in one night! The last time I even considered dollars was with a Phils gal when I didn't have the correct amount of HKD's left and asked her if USD was okay to save a trip to the ATM.
Thanks for the "northern sisters" update, I expected that they went home for CNY, but hoped they had returned. I will give it a whirl after the 7's leave town!
Does anyone know about what a scalped ticket to one day of the 7's will cost?
I have never been to a rugby match when I wasn't a participant(LONG time ago) and thought I would give it a go, if it isn't outrageous. TIA
I have noticed an increase of Mainland SWs cruising the streets and lanes surrounding the night market. A few of them even looking doable.
Jordan/Yau Ma Tei/Mong Kok offer visiting mongerors a truly diverse set of options.
Happy hunting.
Lookingforlust
03-07-10, 17:44
I was able to slip away from my family for the night, was walking around Wanchai around midnight. I was going around and a lot of madam is trying to pull me into the clubs with model dancing, how does this work, I try to do a search on "Model, and dancing" but only 3 report came up but they are not very helpful. Can someone tell me how this type of club works. Are they like the stripclubs in USA, or they work differently? I did when into Amazon and a few of the other bars. I was having fun until a fight brokeout between a few drunks. I was going to end my night at Nepunes but they change a entrance fee of 150 hk. I may try again in a few nights.
Bob Builder
03-07-10, 18:39
I was able to slip away from my family for the night, was walking around Wanchai around midnight. I was going around and a lot of madam is trying to pull me into the clubs with model dancing, how does this work, I try to do a search on "Model, and dancing" but only 3 report came up but they are not very helpful. Can someone tell me how this type of club works. Are they like the stripclubs in USA, or they work differently? I did when into Amazon and a few of the other bars. I was having fun until a fight brokeout between a few drunks. I was going to end my night at Nepunes but they change a entrance fee of 150 hk. I may try again in a few nights.
Dude,
It looks like you are complying a guide on where not to go mongering in Hong Kong. Stay away from these places as well. Not for the the newbie and best avoided if you haven't played there before unless you have a big wallet and like to buy "ladies' drinks"
How about giving an idea on haw much you expect to pay to get laid because I may be way off track and you don't mind paying HK$2000+ a shot?
BB
Lookingforlust
03-07-10, 21:18
I just want to try something new while visiting HK, I don't travel out of the US a lot and want to try out as much fun as I can. I am most of the info I need to get extras when I am home in the US but a newbee when I comes to mongoing out of the country.
FreebieFan
03-08-10, 04:57
Yeah I was surprised as well, especially twice in one night! The last time I even considered dollars was with a Phils gal when I didn't have the correct amount of HKD's left and asked her if USD was okay to save a trip to the ATM.
Thanks for the "northern sisters" update, I expected that they went home for CNY, but hoped they had returned. I will give it a whirl after the 7's leave town!
Does anyone know about what a scalped ticket to one day of the 7's will cost?
I have never been to a rugby match when I wasn't a participant(LONG time ago) and thought I would give it a go, if it isn't outrageous. TIAYou can check on the Official Rugby 7 web site for the official price, but go go go go. Its the most amazing day out.
I went 16 years running to the 7's, from the old, old stadium to the current one.
Was always a weekend of massive amounts of alcohol and lots of pussy. Lots of Filipinas will be there on the Sunday and as soon as they've had a beer or two, they are ready to make a date for later. Total endorsement of it as a major day out, but its not cheap.
Airfare / hotel / food / beverage / tickets / pussy etc made it a HK 15, 000 weekend.. Admitttedly the weekend started on the Wednesday and finsihed on the Tusday LOL.
Bob Builder
03-08-10, 08:12
I just want to try something new while visiting HK, I don't travel out of the US a lot and want to try out as much fun as I can. I am most of the info I need to get extras when I am home in the US but a newbee when I comes to mongoing out of the country.
If you want to get laid, value for money, go to 39 Dundas. There are lots of reports here about it. I had a few local HK buddies go last week and they had a ball.
As for the other places you wanted to try, unless you have someone from here to take you, you are going to going to get to try something new but your wallet is going to be a lot lighter for the experience.
Then again, , like I said before I don't know what your budget is.
Or go the the Shun Tak centre and buy a nightclub or Sauna package for Macau.
JackTheLad2
03-08-10, 14:48
Okay, I am visiting in April and budgeting $2000HK per day including Wanchai. I have to ask since I like your posts Jack: How the hell did you or your friend spend $3100HK in one night? $2100HK for drinks you said?
I have a few girls from last year and last Christmas lined up already but there's no way I'm paying more than $1500HK LT per night.
Typically I do not waste a lot of time in the bars. I usually scope out the girl I like and buy her a drink and then seal the deal. I'm not one to buy loads of drinks and make chitchat all night in the bars. And I tended to not even bother showing up until after midnight.
Yes – I agree totally – a lot of money down the drain. Where did it go? Wish I knew but away it went. I come from a part of the world where, when the boys go out, it’s a bit more than a couple of drinks. Drink is part of the culture. At about HK$55 a bottle of Heineken, its not long in mounting up. Of course, despite being an “expert”, the ladies drinks add up as quickly as the Royal Bank loses money. You think you know it all and are in control but after a few drinks combined with a first night of eager anticipation of a night with a young GFE Philippina, jet lag and the sense of being a kid in a sweetie shop, the costs quietly and quickly run up.
I got caught up in it – my fault entirely. In Galaxy, Escape Neptunes etc, rounds of HK$300 only bought a drink for 2 guys and 2 girls, so it mounts up and you get carried away. I also like to stay in the bars for a while and get to know the girls and have a bit of a laugh. I'm just not the type to go into a bar, see a girl, buy her one drink and leave for a session in the hotel. I'm also very rarely back in my hotel before 3.00am. However, each to his own although I do try to ensure the same mistakes are not repeated, and in my defense, it does not happen every night. I fail more often than not - I am only human! The one thing I never do, however, is pay any more that HK$1000 for LT
I was able to slip away from my family for the night, was walking around Wanchai around midnight. I was going around and a lot of madam is trying to pull me into the clubs with model dancing, how does this work, I try to do a search on "Model, and dancing" but only 3 report came up but they are not very helpful. Can someone tell me how this type of club works. Are they like the stripclubs in USA, or they work differently? I did when into Amazon and a few of the other bars. I was having fun until a fight brokeout between a few drunks. I was going to end my night at Nepunes but they change a entrance fee of 150 hk. I may try again in a few nights.
Agree with Bob. The 'clubs' are rip-offs, and not just from the fact that they will try and ply you with $250 ladies drinks every 15 seconds ... they also will attempt to steal from you.
That said, the typical m.o. is you go in, you sit down at the bar, several girls surround you and sit down next to you. The Mama-san comes over and asks you what you want to drink, then immediately asks you to buy ladies drinks for the entire contingent around you. BE AWARE, there are three different prices of ladies drinks ($120, $190 and $250 I think, but it's some type of spread like that. If you do buy a ladies drink, specify what you are buying). If you like a girl, you can tell them that you are only buying one ladies drink. But it is high pressure sell, and you need to be able to fend that off.
Ultimately, if you are buying ladies drinks, and depending on how busy they are, they will offer you a 'booth.' They will typically tell you they'll give you the booth for free, but I think that depends on whether they think they can sucker more money out of you. The pressure to continue to buy ladies drinks will continue, but the girl(s) accompanying you will likely start playing with you, giving you a limited blow-job, and getting naked from the waist down so you can fondle them. Remember, the business model here is getting you to continue buying drinks, so they will keep you aroused without usually getting you off.
If you want to take one of the girls out, it used to be (it's been a good number of years) that the starting price is around $3,000 for a take-out, but that was at some hour like 2am. You can negotiate down ... probably back then it was around $1,500.
I've had sex in some of the clubs as well, but again it depends on the club (one was where Typhoon now is) and the hour. I once was in San Francisco or one of those after a night of Korean karaoke, at about 4am, and I bar-fined all five of the remaining girls for a couple of thousand dollars for sex on the premises. I only got to boink two of them I recall (switching rubbers), but the rest gave oral and got naked, touching and feeling as the deed was being done. But they kind of knew me at that time so YMMV.
As to a cover charge at Neptunes, this would indicate that you are not white (not a comment against you) as I've never ever paid a cover charge there. But again, they know me.
Good luck.
Defender90
03-08-10, 16:15
Grateful for any answers to my questions.
I have tried looking back at posts over the last few months to research the answers myself but no luck as yet.
I will be in HK for 24 hours and likely to stay at Holiday Inn TST where one possibility is to take advantage of anything on offer at Hari's.
However, the 141 concept seems to be a great institution and worth supporting. Most of the TST girls appear as "Hotel Reservation"
1. Does this mean their hotel or mine? Would prefer mine but expect not.
2. Also many offer "Negotiable for Overnight"? Could this be in my hotel room?
I ask these questions because like others in this forum would prefer a girl friend experience rather that the 45 min wham bam.
I realise staying in TST may be more expensive but under the cirumstances it is my only option.
Thanks in anticipation
Grateful for any answers to my questions.
However, the 141 concept seems to be a great institution and worth supporting. Most of the TST girls appear as "Hotel Reservation"...
the 141 hotel girl usually means you go to their hotel. You can ask if they will come to you (some do some dont), a surcharge applies for taxi. They will try and over charge you so be mindful they are in TST and so are you.
You will be speaking to the agent NOT the girl.
The pics on the 141 data base are heavily photoshopped. Sure they have girls for HK$300... usually, when you meet them you'll know why.
Negotiable over night usually means from midnight until 9am. price is 3x - 4x the initial rate. The initial rate only gets you about 50 minutes.
If you go for an over night option, be sure to establish what you expect to get, how many pops, how long etc in advance.
FreebieFan
03-09-10, 04:43
Agree with Bob. The 'clubs' are rip-offs, and not just from the fact that they will try and ply you with $250 ladies drinks every 15 seconds ... they also will attempt to steal from you.
That said, the typical m.o. is you go in, you sit down at the bar, several girls surround you and sit down next to you. The Mama-san comes over and asks you what you want to drink, then immediately asks you to buy ladies drinks for the entire contingent around you. BE AWARE, there are three different prices of ladies drinks ($120, $190 and $250 I think, but it's some type of spread like that. If you do buy a ladies drink, specify what you are buying). If you like a girl, you can tell them that you are only buying one ladies drink. But it is high pressure sell, and you need to be able to fend that off.
Ultimately, if you are buying ladies drinks, and depending on how busy they are, they will offer you a 'booth.' They will typically tell you they'll give you the booth for free, but I think that depends on whether they think they can sucker more money out of you. The pressure to continue to buy ladies drinks will continue, but the girl(s) accompanying you will likely start playing with you, giving you a limited blow-job, and getting naked from the waist down so you can fondle them. Remember, the business model here is getting you to continue buying drinks, so they will keep you aroused without usually getting you off.
If you want to take one of the girls out, it used to be (it's been a good number of years) that the starting price is around $3,000 for a take-out, but that was at some hour like 2am. You can negotiate down ... probably back then it was around $1,500.
Good luck.
Story from thre Good Old days.
Was in a Popeyes. Can't recall if it was 1 or 2. Don't even know if there still is a Popeyes. Anyways, it was a good club and I was guaranteed a HJ at least every time I went. I knew the clubs were a total rip off but then I had money.
Was there on a Saturday night with a friend and he didn't know when to stop. Was ordering drinks all night. Eventually we get the bill. Its something mad like HK$ 15, 000. And this was maybe 8 years back.
Anyways he finds he doesn't have his credit card with him, and I didn't want to pay with my credit card. The bars solved the problem.
I was "escorted" by a bikini girl, wearing a raincoat to the nearest ATM.
My friend was "kidnapped" in the bar till I returned.
Used my friends ATM to withdraw the money and only when we got back to the bar and they had counted the money would they let him go.
Strange to be walking thru the streets at 3am, somewhat drunk, trying to remember a mates PIN, with a girl in a raincoat and bikini underneath.
Good old days and bars still incredible rip offs!
Bob Builder
03-09-10, 08:40
Story from thre Good Old days.
Was in a Popeyes. Can't recall if it was 1 or 2. Don't even know if there still is a Popeyes. Anyways, it was a good club and I was guaranteed a HJ at least every time I went. I knew the clubs were a total rip off but then I had money.
Was there on a Saturday night with a friend and he didn't know when to stop. Was ordering drinks all night. Eventually we get the bill. Its something mad like HK$ 15, 000. And this was maybe 8 years back.
Anyways he finds he doesn't have his credit card with him, and I didn't want to pay with my credit card. The bars solved the problem.
I was "escorted" by a bikini girl, wearing a raincoat to the nearest ATM.
My friend was "kidnapped" in the bar till I returned.
Used my friends ATM to withdraw the money and only when we got back to the bar and they had counted the money would they let him go.
Strange to be walking thru the streets at 3am, somewhat drunk, trying to remember a mates PIN, with a girl in a raincoat and bikini underneath.
Good old days and bars still incredible rip offs!
Just a few experiences from Wan Chai.
There used to be 2 extremely fugly Chinese SWs who sometimes hung out in Neptunes who I saw carrying some drugged out Gweilo to the HSBC "to help him make a withdrawl". One had the face that would give you nightmares after too many vodkas and the other was built like a front row forward / defensive lineman. Wan chai regulars will know who I mean.
Without asking the price and willing to pay for a HK180 lady drink, got charged for a HK$360 mommy drink. Can't argue as the price was on the wall and I didn't ask.
After ordering a couple of beers for me and a buddy only, and avoiding buying ladies drinks and leaving, being told by a mama to bring my wallet next time.
All good reasons why mongers go to Neptune / Fenwicks and not girlie bars.
Member #4271
03-09-10, 10:40
The one thing I never do, however, is pay any more that HK$1000 for LT
That's what I wanted to hear. I've gotten nervous that the price was going up.
I don't know if my lackluster nights over Christmas were a result of my refusing to pay more than that for LT or from the holiday making things a bit more quiet than normal. Hopefully April will be better.
There's one Thai girl from Xmas that I paid $1500 for and I will probably see her again at least once. My other repeats from Xmas should be $1000 LT since that's what I paid at Xmas.
JackTheLad2
03-09-10, 11:37
I'm surprised Jackson has not jumped all over you about that.
(New paragraph) And I am surprised that he has not jumped all over you for copying all of my report. If you don't like what you see from me - then don't read it.
(New paragraph) This is a forum for the exchange of information, not an attempt to win the the Nobel prize for literacy.
(New paragraph) Having just read some of your reports "Dude", you would not win many prizes either.
Just a few experiences from Wan Chai.
There used to be 2 extremely fugly Chinese SWs who sometimes hung out in Neptunes who I saw carrying some drugged out Gweilo to the HSBC "to help him make a withdrawl". One had the face that would give you nightmares after too many vodkas and the other was built like a front row forward / defensive lineman. Wan chai regulars will know who I mean.
Without asking the price and willing to pay for a HK180 lady drink, got charged for a HK$360 mommy drink. Can't argue as the price was on the wall and I didn't ask.
After ordering a couple of beers for me and a buddy only, and avoiding buying ladies drinks and leaving, being told by a mama to bring my wallet next time.
All good reasons why mongers go to Neptune / Fenwicks and not girlie bars.
Lol ... and then there are the street walkers that give you blow jobs in the alley next to Amazonia! That was funny! something like 3am, and this girl walks up and asks, "Massageee?!?" I looked at her and said, "You know, I really want a blow job." She says, ok, $200 (or something like that). I say where? She beckons me to follow, takes me past the hotel hear Carnegies, and then in and down the alley on the side to a back door. I'm thinking ... okay .... until she says, "money first."
Um, no. a) you ain't that pretty and b) I am certainly not that drunk.
Ah well, would have been interesting. I think she said she'd blow me for 15 minutes, which might have gotten me off.
I post this just as a warning. We think that it is a freebie situation, but it isn't, even if we are not paying for it. You're always paying for it one way or another and it is important not to lose sight of that. The girls are there for the money, or the potential for the money down the road. They will lie cheat and steal from you with very little (read: no) remorse. Realize that it is all a game for them, as that is what their upbringing and situation requires. I had thought that one could take the bar out of the girl, in some instances, but I was wrong.Sounds like more to the story. Curious if you lost a lot of money buying her things? Clothes, family emergency money, etc. How much?
Or was it more the case of YOU had developed strong feelings for her and SHE really didn't have them and strung you along and then dumped you?
Good story and advice.
Bob Builder
03-10-10, 04:34
Lol ... and then there are the street walkers that give you blow jobs in the alley next to Amazonia! That was funny! something like 3am, and this girl walks up and asks, "Massageee?!?" I looked at her and said, "You know, I really want a blow job." She says, ok, $200 (or something like that). I say where? She beckons me to follow, takes me past the hotel hear Carnegies, and then in and down the alley on the side to a back door. I'm thinking ... okay .... until she says, "money first."
Um, no. a) you ain't that pretty and b) I am certainly not that drunk.
Ah well, would have been interesting. I think she said she'd blow me for 15 minutes, which might have gotten me off.
Thing about those SWs, are you sure it was a she?
Thing about those SWs, are you sure it was a she?
Pretty sure ... she was Cantonese, not Thai.
FairTourist
03-10-10, 18:19
But you all know it. What is with the disco which was closed. Is it now opened already. My hotel is opposite.
JackTheLad2
03-10-10, 20:27
But you all know it. What is with the disco which was closed. Is it now opened already. My hotel is opposite.
Is it the old Fenwicks, now called Escape?
If so, its not a patch on what it used to be. Just spent a week there - it was fairly quiet most nights. Neptunes has taken over.
JackTheLad2
03-10-10, 20:52
The remainder of the week sort of passed in a haze of total debauchery. A chance meeting with Nonette (Laguna) and a trip to my hotel bedroom has to be avoided in the future – at one point in the mish position I asked her if she was OK. She asked why and I told her I thought I detected movement from her – and I was not mistaken.
She could well be home now to Manila.
Shirly continued to give sterling service although you have to get used to the constant reference to her manager and how she controls the purse strings. She is there until mid April and can be found in the row of girls sitting at the bar in Galaxy. If you do decide she is for you – treat her well. Lovely girl and so so GFE. Given other circumstances and in another life, I could fall for her but I am in the camp of "once a bar girl, always a bar girl". Very pretty – an 8 in my book.
It seems to me that Escape (still has the best band IMHO) has had its day – Neptunes was always packed. When in Escape one night an African girl came up to me and her opening line was "Hello, I am only 24 but have a tight pussy for you. Like to try? " She was dead serious as well. I've heard better opening lines.
In Neptunes, Look out for Winnie – HK$1000 was a good deal with her for LT. Traffic was visited once – never again – its poor and not busy, even on a Friday/Saturday. A visit the Bridge at 7. 00am one day reveals a packed bar with the girls still doing a roaring trade in drinks, but most showing the effects of a night trawling the bars looking for business.
The Vietnamese are back in town – a boatload came in on Sunday 7th March and were in Escape. Good looking girls keen to please and any who approached me started off at $HK1000. Good looking girls and my mate will vouch for a good time with them. Me? I prefer the Filipinos any time.
I remain convinced quality is down over the years but there are some gems around. I was surprised at Laguna – never a place I frequented regularly but it seems to "be on the up". Borocay was not my scene. There never seemed to be enough people in it to give an atmosphere. Galaxy is – well – Galaxy. It's a bit out of the way so it never gets going yet it always has some girls in it and to be honest some were OK this time. They go there because Galaxy looks after them whereas in the other places, it's the customers the bar looks after if you get my drift.
Amazonia is always packed out and has great bands, but then, its not that big a place.
Drinks are the usual rip-off, particularly lady drinks. So be careful. I was not and it cost me, but what the hell, I had a great time. Can't wait to return.
FairTourist
03-11-10, 12:38
Thanks for your answer. Which Neptunes? There are two, or?
Is there also every evening full house and good atmosphere?
Is it the old Fenwicks, now called Escape?
If so, its not a patch on what it used to be. Just spent a week there - it was fairly quiet most nights. Neptunes has taken over.
JackTheLad2
03-11-10, 21:55
Thanks for your answer. Which Neptunes? There are two, or?
Is there also every evening full house and good atmosphere?
Only one Neptunes - just 2 minutes along the road from Escape. You can't miss their neon sign over the road lighting up the street. I prefer it now as it was always busier than Escape but as for a full house, it depends the time you go. You might find it worthwhile alternating between the two.
Don't forget that Sundays, Mondays and Tuesdays will be quieter than the rest of the week.
Has any one ever done a forum search using the word hotel? Not fun. I'm looking for a ok place to stay while I'm on Wan Chai during the middle of May. Any sugestions? I have about a zillion more pages to read before I ask anymore questions.
Thanks
JackTheLad2
03-13-10, 10:09
Has any one ever done a forum search using the word hotel? Not fun. I'm looking for a ok place to stay while I'm on Wan Chai during the middle of May. Any sugestions?
Thanks
Depends on your budget but a favourite of mine is the Charterhouse Hotel in Wan Chai Road - only 10 minutes walk to the action and less than HK$20 in a taxi back with your lady for the night. I like the Cosmopolitan and the Cosmo - slightly further away but there are plenty others right in the middle of Wan Chai - Empire. Metro, Wharney etc. I'm sure most of your other questions will be answered already.
Depends on your budget but a favourite of mine is the Charterhouse Hotel in Wan Chai Road - only 10 minutes walk to the action and less than HK$20 in a taxi back with your lady for the night. I like the Cosmopolitan and the Cosmo - slightly further away but there are plenty others right in the middle of Wan Chai - Empire. Metro, Wharney etc. I'm sure most of your other questions will be answered already.Thank you. I ended up with with alot of free time so I did do a search and googled the hotels mentioned in the reports. The Cosmopolitan and Cosmo are on the top of my list.
I am staying at the Luk Kwok hotel in the centrum of Wan-chai.
This afternoon, I was searching a massage place with happy ending.
I didn't know any adress, so finally, I finished in a thai massage, very good but without HJ possible.
I need some help because tomorrow is my last day in H-K, and I would like to test a nice massage, not far from my hotel.
Thanks in advance.
Wickedsmahtkris
03-14-10, 13:56
Fellow Mongers,
I've seen a few posts about the downward trend in quality, so talked with a friend who'd just spent a week in HKG with a few nights in WanChai. Maybe he was just paranoid after taking a business trip to Bangkok, but he thought he noticed 2 ladyboys in Neptunes. Never got far enough with 'them to find out, but was shocked to see them around. I don't believe it. Could've been the result of poor quality. Anyone else have any ladyboy suspicions (or worse) in WanChai?
Also, my friend tried to get a late afternoon 141 session in at TST and said is was all shutdown. No ChampagneB. No James Lee Mansion. They're being replaced by hotels and shopping. What is up?
I want to go back to HK, but not with ladyboys and no 141 in TST. Is he effin' with me or is it for real?
Kris
FairTourist
03-14-10, 14:09
Only one Neptunes - just 2 minutes along the road from Escape. You can't miss their neon sign over the road lighting up the street. I prefer it now as it was always busier than Escape but as for a full house, it depends the time you go. You might find it worthwhile alternating between the two.
Don't forget that Sundays, Mondays and Tuesdays will be quieter than the rest of the week.Another question:
Someone told me, that in HK is a bar, where you can go and sit before girls in cabines and you put in coins, than they are shower or oil their bodies. Do somebody know this?
Transmuter
03-14-10, 18:23
I'm looking for a ok place to stay while I'm on Wan Chai during the middle of May. Any sugestions? Take the Emipre. It's across the Fenwick (has been renamed to Escape I just read) and I never had an issue.
I do it next weekend:)
I will be in HK looking for some cheap GFE sex and short time (1 night)
Any suggestions?
Anybody tried http://www.******.com/ ???
JackTheLad2
03-14-10, 21:39
Fellow Mongers,
I've seen a few posts about the downward trend in quality, so talked with a friend who'd just spent a week in HKG with a few nights in WanChai. Maybe he was just paranoid after taking a business trip to Bangkok, but he thought he noticed 2 ladyboys in Neptunes. Anyone else have any ladyboy suspicions (or worse) in WanChai?
Kris
I think it is unlikely you will find any LB's in Neptunes - or any other of the main bars - as the bouncers on the doors stop them from getting in. I doubt if they even try now. There are several who do hang about, however, on the street corner very near Neptunes (30m away) just outside Amazonia.
Bob Builder
03-15-10, 01:05
Fellow Mongers,
I've seen a few posts about the downward trend in quality, so talked with a friend who'd just spent a week in HKG with a few nights in WanChai. Maybe he was just paranoid after taking a business trip to Bangkok, but he thought he noticed 2 ladyboys in Neptunes. Never got far enough with 'them to find out, but was shocked to see them around. I don't believe it. Could've been the result of poor quality. Anyone else have any ladyboy suspicions (or worse) in WanChai?
Also, my friend tried to get a late afternoon 141 session in at TST and said is was all shutdown. No ChampagneB. No James Lee Mansion. They're being replaced by hotels and shopping. What is up?
I want to go back to HK, but not with ladyboys and no 141 in TST. Is he effin' with me or is it for real?
Kris
Agree with Jack on the ladyboys but why don't you get one that isn't.
And just go to the 141 website and find a place that is open. There are hundreds of others.
Your buddy's pulling your leg. Those 2 buildings are still there.
The Rugby 7's weekend is the 26th till the 28th. Being an international event, no doubt hotels and Wanchai will be very busy.
Have fun and stay safe!
Fellow Mongers,
Also, my friend tried to get a late afternoon 141 session in at TST and said is was all shutdown. No ChampagneB. No James Lee Mansion. They're being replaced by hotels and shopping. What is up?
I want to go back to HK, but not with ladyboys and no 141 in TST. Is he effin' with me or is it for real?
Kris
I need an info.
Do a chinese girl from Shenzhen need a visa to enter HK?
I think it is unlikely you will find any LB's in Neptunes - or any other of the main bars - as the bouncers on the doors stop them from getting in. I doubt if they even try now. There are several who do hang about, however, on the street corner very near Neptunes (30m away) just outside Amazonia.
Flip side of this one, and it's been about eight months since this happened, but the male wait-staff there (who knows me) one time came up to me and warned me that I was talking to a lady-boy. Might have just been pulling my leg, but whatever.
Also, the bouncers (again who recognize me) don't seem to stop people from coming in. Either come in, or pay the money and come in. They do chuck people out ... saw that on Amah Sunday.
YMMV
Johnny Rocket
03-15-10, 19:00
I need an info.
Do a chinese girl from Shenzhen need a visa to enter HK?
With a few exceptions, all Chinese people need a visa to enter HK and your WG friend does not fit into any of those exceptions. Good luck.
Was wondering where you can find quality Russian women and currently, which is better 37 Dundas or K-Pressure?
Thanks.
Johnny Rocket
03-17-10, 21:13
I visited 37D, had a nice experience with the girl, one CIM and after a while another pop while fucking. Don't remember her name, sorry. The bell rang pretty early in our session so I said I'll take another hour.
I don't often take an extra hour, but every time I have done so in the past, I have only paid an extra $100 to the hotel and nothing to the mamasan. This time however, the hotel asked for nothing, but when I got downstairs, the mamasan asked for another $390, i.e. full hourly price. I protested, saying I'd never paid them for a second hour (only the hotel) and how can it be $390, isn't there a discount for the second hour?
I wasn't trying to fuck with them, but I wondered whether they were trying to rip me off. After about 2 minutes of asking them what was going on, a man came out and started speaking to me in English. I'd never seen a papasan there before and it made me wonder if he was "management" (triad). I shrugged and said whatever.
Thing was, I really didn't have another $390 on me. I try not to carry too much cash. So I said, I'll go to get money and come back. I gave them all I had which was $190, went to ATM, came back and gave them $200.
Well, that guarantees that I'll never get an extra hour there again.
What are others' experiences with the extra hour?
Hey,
Does anybody know if this girl is still to be found in HKG?
It´s been almost two years that I met her, that was at Metro >Jordan<, I think at 66 Parkes St. She was lovingly, charming, amazing and did the greatest BJ I ever had.
So if anybody knows where to find her nowadays, please let me know.
Thanks!
Mighty Spearsman
03-18-10, 03:52
I will be in HK looking for some cheap GFE sex and short time (1 night)
Any suggestions?
Anybody tried http://www.******.com/ ???
Try 37 Dundas, 1st floor (one floor above street level), it's written about regularly here on the board. HK $390 for an hour with the girl, plus HK $100 for the room, which is located two floors higher than the floor where you meet the girls.
That's it from me. Why should we help you, since you've only made 4 posts, all of them questions?
RTFF (read the f----- forum)!
Not sure about the extra $100 for the hotel, but it seems to me it makes sense that they charge the extra $390. The girl should get something for her effort right? The discount is in the hotel being free for the second.
Maybe a slight discount on the 2nd hour if it was negotiated before, but places don't tend to give a discount halfway through the session. That way, it gives an incentive to request for an extra hour at the beginning for a discount.
I visited 37D, had a nice experience with the girl, one CIM and after a while another pop while fucking. Don't remember her name, sorry. The bell rang pretty early in our session so I said I'll take another hour.
I don't often take an extra hour, but every time I have done so in the past, I have only paid an extra $100 to the hotel and nothing to the mamasan. This time however, the hotel asked for nothing, but when I got downstairs, the mamasan asked for another $390, i.e. full hourly price. I protested, saying I'd never paid them for a second hour (only the hotel) and how can it be $390, isn't there a discount for the second hour?
I wasn't trying to fuck with them, but I wondered whether they were trying to rip me off. After about 2 minutes of asking them what was going on, a man came out and started speaking to me in English. I'd never seen a papasan there before and it made me wonder if he was "management" (triad). I shrugged and said whatever.
Thing was, I really didn't have another $390 on me. I try not to carry too much cash. So I said, I'll go to get money and come back. I gave them all I had which was $190, went to ATM, came back and gave them $200.
Well, that guarantees that I'll never get an extra hour there again.
What are others' experiences with the extra hour?
Try 37 Dundas, 1st floor (one floor above street level), it's written about regularly here on the board. HK $390 for an hour with the girl, plus HK $100 for the room, which is located two floors higher than the floor where you meet the girls.
That's it from me. Why should we help you, since you've only made 4 posts, all of them questions?
RTFF (read the f----- forum)!
LOL, Dont be nasty!
SE Asia Joe
03-18-10, 06:13
LOL, Dont be nasty!
Yeah - but howzabout all these "newbies" and New to Hong Kong/China posters who seem to ALWAYS crop up to coincide with each year Rugby 7's and/or the Canton trade Fair?
They don't bother to read up any of the previous posts where their answers could easily be found, don't pay their $19.95 to Jackson to enable them to ask questions personally - and instad just post up questions expecting to get back proper/useful replies? And then getting all huffy when they don't get what they want.
Yeah this board is about sharing - but I believe that a lot of us feels that the sharing is just too one sided, wth the trolls just expecting hand-outs without them first doing their part.
Just IMHO
SEAJ
The 390 is a charge for 45 minutes of time. Every increment, say another 22 minutes or so is charged at half of 390. So if you want an additional hour (ie 45 minutes), you pay another 390.
The hotel generally does not charge for extra time. Sometimes, they will instruct the hotel to knock on your door to collect the money which is a pain because it breaks the rhythm. If you've never paid in the past, well you got a freebie. You were asked to pay in the end, is far better than a knock on the door demanding payment.
If you repeat with a young lady, then the percentage she gets from the house is higher. That is why when you request for a certain person, they ask whether you have been with them before. Also you may notice that the girl tried to make sure you remember their name.
Dundas is great for no bs fun. The girls are trained to please, but if you want to spend additional time, you're on the clock and it costs 390 for every 45 minutes. If you want to spend say 3 hours (45 mins X 3), then you'll have to pay 1,170 to the club. Then you may question whether paying a Filipina in Wanchai a 1,000 for the night may be more worth it.
Have fun and stay safe!
I don't often take an extra hour, but every time I have done so in the past, I have only paid an extra $100 to the hotel and nothing to the mamasan. This time however, the hotel asked for nothing, but when I got downstairs, the mamasan asked for another $390, i.e. full hourly price. I protested, saying I'd never paid them for a second hour (only the hotel) and how can it be $390, isn't there a discount for the second hour?
Thanks for the info on D37. I have never been to the 37, but have been to K pressure. In my experience, for around 2 hrs I paid $130 us and thy included multiple everything. Of course depends on the girl and what she let's you get away with to make those multiples satisfying to you. What you get is their suite (top of the line room) and it seems like forever before anyone call you. I like it because I can get everything I need in those two hours. But for those that have been to both recently, what is the difference in quality? Also, besides 141, where can I visit quality Russian women in Hong Kong. I know Macau has them' too.
Member #4698
03-19-10, 00:06
I arrived in Hong Kong on a cold Tuesday night in February, after a long 22 hour flight from South Florida. The flight was ok though, because I got lucky and was assigned a seat in empty row so I had 3 whole seats to myself and could lay fully down. A couple hours into the flight after it got dark I popped 1.5 ambien and slept a good eight hours. It was 10:30 pm by the time I checked into my hotel but my body thought it was 10:30am so I headed to Hari’s bar looking for a hot Chinese girl.
It was a weeknight and the ratio at Hari’s was about 50/50 women to men. I checked the place out and located the prettiest girl. She was sitting at the bar by herself so I sat down beside her and offered to buy her a drink. We chatted a little and I found out that Pu was Thai not Chinese. I should have known that by her looks, but after my long flight my mind wasn’t exactly in top form. I thought about moving on since I was going to be in BKK in 5 days, but what the hell. Pu was a stunner, a real beauty, and she turned out to be real nice gal. After a little of the usual conversation, I asked if she would like to accompany me back to my hotel. She said yes (of course) and then I asked her how much she wanted. She said 2000hk to spend the night. I did a quick calculation and realized that was around $250. Again my brain was not firing on all 6 cylinders and I did not care. I was tired, I was horny, Pu was a solid 8 (the hottest girl in the place), she had a nice personality, was well dressed, plus I did not want to trouble myself to find another girl. I rationalized all this and that it was my first night in HKG so I could afford to be foolish and extravagant.
Pu was up for walking to my hotel (the Nathan), but once I made up my mind to take her home, I did not want to waste time walking. I hailed a taxi and we got to the hotel in a few minutes. In the room we kissed and played around as we got naked and then we jumped in the shower. Pu was around 5ft 2inches tall. She had a great sexy body and for a Thai girl, ample ‘b’ cup breasts. She lathered me up as I played with those breasts and then I moved south to play with her little clit. We moved back to the bed and I continued to play with her clit as she gave me a nice bbbj. I felt Pu’s wetness, and I knew I would cum pretty quickly if this continued much longer so I told her it was time to make love.
The sex was very sweet and I liked Pu, so I did not last very long. Afterwards we cuddled for a while until I suggested we take another shower and get ready more action. Pu was up for it, so back we went for the soapy shower routine and then another nice bbbj. This time I lasted a lot longer and shagged Pu in various positions all over the bed. Afterwards we kissed gently for a while and then it was lights off and Pu went to sleep. But there was no sleep for me. My body thought it was 1pm while my brain felt like it was 1am. I thought about taking another ambien, but did not think that was very good idea while a girl I had just met 3 hours ago lay sleeping next to me. (Nothing personal against Pu, she was a sweetheart.) So I tossed and turned, and must have had some moments of restless sleep, because when I finally looked at my watch it was 4am.
Pu woke up and asked if I wanted to make boom boom. I thought that was a great idea. First we made out and she gave me a good hj. Then we started having sex with her on top, then I lay behind her and we did it sidewinder, and finally we ended up missionary. It was the best shag of the evening. We were both tired out and layed in each others arms for a long while. It was around 5:30am when Pu asked if it was all right if she went home. I said Ok, thinking there might still be a chance for me to really fall asleep. She asked if I planned to go back to Hari’s tonight and I said I was not sure. Sometime in our night together she told me she was going back to BKK Saturday. I told her I was going to be in BKK Sunday and that we should get together there. So before she left, she gave me her BKK phone number as well as her HKG phone number and told me to call her. I said I would. I gave her a good tip, we kissed, said goodnight, and she left.
I went back to bed in vain and waited for the sun to come up. Around 7am I got up and wandered around Kowloon as the city slowly came to life. I checkout a few local dim sum restaurants and continued my city trek until around 2pm when I finally went back to the hotel and crashed. I woke up around 10pm and knew that was pretty ridiculous. I was too tired to think about women, so I watched a little TV, went out, grabbed some dinner, and around 1am took an ambien and slept soundly until morning. Now my clock was set right and I was feeling fine. And that was my first night and day in Hong Kong.
In conclusion my first impression of Hari’s was that it is a nice upscale bar with plenty of potential and talent, but it is no place for someone on a tight monetary budget. I would definitely recommend it however, if you are staying on the mainland side. The girls are independents and come attired in fine evening ware which makes them look very, very attractive. Pu was great. She had a beautiful face, a hot body, and a pleasing way about her. I really liked her smile. I could not have found a better companion to spend my first night with, although I certainly could have found cheaper talent. No matter, I had a great time and I was already thinking about going back to Hari’s. But I also wanted to check out Dundas 37 and, or make a date with a hot 141 girl. Decisions, decisions. It felt great to be in HKG!
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FairTourist
03-20-10, 11:48
I asked before one time, but nobody answered. So I try one more time.
Someone told me, that in HK is a bar, where you can go and sit. In front of you are girls in cabines and you put in coins, than they are shower or oil their bodies. Do somebody know this?
I can't believe. I have been 6 times there, but I never hear about this.
Hi
Read a few posts below of a poster picking up chinese girls in Wan Chai FL bars, whereas I never seem to notice them there, but rather mostly older Philipinnas, thais and south americans which I don't fancy too much and end end up going to Macau to bed cute chinese. Which bar in Wan Chai do you see them ??
I once went to Tsim Tsa Tsui East with Asian friends and the talent was much better there, are there FL bars there where a non chinese speaking westerner could pick up easily , or a place with nice streetwalkers in TST East?
Thanks!
Luis
Lustforthrust
03-20-10, 16:49
Hi
Read a few posts below of a poster picking up chinese girls in Wan Chai FL bars, whereas I never seem to notice them there, but rather mostly older Philipinnas, thais and south americans which I don't fancy too much and end end up going to Macau to bed cute chinese. Which bar in Wan Chai do you see them ??
I once went to Tsim Tsa Tsui East with Asian friends and the talent was much better there, are there FL bars there where a non chinese speaking westerner could pick up easily , or a place with nice streetwalkers in TST East?
Thanks!
Luis
There's a bar in TST called Forum or Freepost or something like that, where skinny waifs and stealth-fatties hang out; you need some game and we're talking late night and it's a hit-and-miss. These are regular chics, not dolled up streetwalkers.
I asked before one time, but nobody answered. So I try one more time.
Someone told me, that in HK is a bar, where you can go and sit. In front of you are girls in cabines and you put in coins, than they are shower or oil their bodies. Do somebody know this?
I can't believe. I have been 6 times there, but I never hear about this.
It's not necessary in HK Bro, you get the girl in the bathroom of your hotel and she does it to YOU! much better.
There's a bar in TST called Forum or Freepost or something like that, where skinny waifs and stealth-fatties hang out; you need some game and we're talking late night and it's a hit-and-miss. These are regular chics, not dolled up streetwalkers.
Never heard of this Bar, do you have directions? address?
Hi everyone,
Visiting HK for the weekend soon. Can any locals or regulars to HK recommend the best bars or clubs to go visit on a Saturday and Sunday afternoon / early evening? I remember a couple of years ago having lots of fun with PI and Indo maids on Sunday afternoon in Wan Chai?
Any feedback would be appreciated.
Shazzam - Saturday/Sunday afternoons ... Laguna, Neptune (Sunday), Makati (Sunday) Bar 109 (Sunday only). All in Wanchai.
Thanks for the tips Basah.
The Mongrin
03-23-10, 20:58
Hello, fellow Mongers,
Last Saturday night I toured Lan Kwai Fung (sp?) and Wan chai. The 'normal' scene in LKF offered no luck although I did witness this Asian guy bang some English chick he had just met in the bathroom, they were subsequently booted from the club. Anyway, on to Wan Chai. Was really late by the time I arrived (4 am'ish) so you Mongers probably booked all the good ones by the time I arrived. Swung by escape, then Neptune. Somewhat picky so nothing I liked. Wound up going to that after hours bar that many of ladies flock to after work-reached a point where it was packed at 6 am! (place is around the corner from Neptune). I was pursued aggressively by a Thai and 2 of her friends. Problem was I wanted her 'third' friend who was cute but had more attitude and wouldn't budge from 2000 HKD. After much posturing she decided to hit my limit of 1000hkd based on what I've read on the boards. And Gents, never pay asking-they will always come down to 'seal the deal'. Anyway, had to hit the head so on the way back I bumped into this cute Vietnamese chick who first came across like she was a 'normal' girl. I felt her vibe, we talked/danced, offered to take her back to room, then she hit me with the 'pay for play' routine. Asked what I was willing to pay, "1000" and we were done-plus I wanted to dis the other chickie who wouldn't originally budge from 2K. I had to do some hard negotiating to get the Vietnamese chick to do BBBJ. She was quite enthusiastic during the deed. Lower balls licking, some deep throat, even offered 'luv making no condom' but no way was I going down that path (already freaked out over the BBBJ as it is). From there it was on to her on top, mish, then doggie-briefly entered the 'other' hole but she couldn't take my 'thickness'. Just had 1 round as it was already 9 am by this point. All in all an ok night-was just out too late.
1) Where is the best non-pro action in HK and is Dragon Eye overrated?
2) Where can a bro find some non-Asian action (eastern European flavor, etc)
3) Where can I find some Cipro around here?
4) Quick response appreciated. Just 1 more night here!
Fast Eddie 48
03-24-10, 05:21
I visited 37D, had a nice experience with the girl, one CIM and after a while another pop while fucking. Don't remember her name, sorry. The bell rang pretty early in our session so I said I'll take another hour.
I don't often take an extra hour, but every time I have done so in the past, I have only paid an extra $100 to the hotel and nothing to the mamasan. This time however, the hotel asked for nothing, but when I got downstairs, the mamasan asked for another $390, I. E. Full hourly price. I protested, saying I'd never paid them for a second hour (only the hotel) and how can it be $390, isn't there a discount for the second hour?
I wasn't trying to fuck with them, but I wondered whether they were trying to rip me off. After about 2 minutes of asking them what was going on, a man came out and started speaking to me in English. I'd never seen a papasan there before and it made me wonder if he was "management" (triad). I shrugged and said whatever.
Thing was, I really didn't have another $390 on me. I try not to carry too much cash. So I said, I'll go to get money and come back. I gave them all I had which was $190, went to ATM, came back and gave them $200.
Well, that guarantees that I'll never get an extra hour there again.
What are others' experiences with the extra hour?Johnny,
To my understanding if you get 2 secession you need to paid twice the amount, the girl work for the house not the hotel when the phone ring your time is up, I was told last time I need to paid the hotel and the girl twice, you are right they are protected by Hk triad is best to just paid them than get beat up.
Fast Eddie 48
Hey, friends! I'll be back in Hong Kong for the first time in many years in about a month. Go through the airport several times per year, on my way to Thailand, the Philippines, etc., but I haven't been outside the airport in almost eight years!!
I've read back through the forum and I see wildly varying prices for pick-ups from Neptunes and the other Wan Chai discos. Anywhere from 1000 LT to 2500 ST!!
Would appreciate the advice of those with experience about what one should reasonably expect to pay.
Enjoy the life,
Geng
JackTheLad2
03-25-10, 12:44
Would appreciate the advice of those with experience about what one should reasonably expect to pay.
Enjoy the life,
Geng
I have a top limit of $HK 1000 for LT - say after about 1.00/2.00am until morning. Depends on quality etc but I have never paid more. A lot depends on how you get on with the girl beforehand. I never walk in - get someone I fancy, arrange a price and leave within 5 mins. I prefer to buy them a drink, get to know her a little and then seal the deal. This works for me but everyone to his own. I shudder when I see some of the prices quoted - its making it difficult for us! ST can be had for HK$600. I read a report the other day that a guy picked up a girl in Hari's bar, agreed HK$2000 and then left her a big tip!!
Makeupaname
03-26-10, 06:18
Wan Chai - I also limit LT to 1000 and use the same approach as Jack. Drink, dancing, chit chat, flirting etc ... The filipinas usually like this approach.
Johnny Rocket
03-26-10, 11:22
Picked up Kim, a Thai, from Neptunes last night. With 7s in town I thought asking prices would be high but she immediately agreed to my offer of $1000 ST which is my standard and I never exceed it.
Turned out she had some saggy not very well done fake tits that were well hidden by her bra. But other than that everything pretty good. Wanted to CBJ at first but I asked for BBBJ and that was no problem.
Nice personality, decent body, ok performance, nice girl. I only repeat with very special girls so wouldn't repeat.
I have a top limit of $HK 1000 for LT - say after about 1.00/2.00am until morning. Depends on quality etc but I have never paid more. A lot depends on how you get on with the girl beforehand. I never walk in - get someone I fancy, arrange a price and leave within 5 mins. I prefer to buy them a drink, get to know her a little and then seal the deal. This works for me but everyone to his own. I shudder when I see some of the prices quoted - its making it difficult for us! ST can be had for HK$600. I read a report the other day that a guy picked up a girl in Hari's bar, agreed HK$2000 and then left her a big tip!!
was in Escape last week, chatted to a vietnamese, rate was $HK 2000 for LT. Still cheap by western standards.
JackTheLad2
03-26-10, 21:59
was in Escape last week, chatted to a vietnamese, rate was $HK 2000 for LT. Still cheap by western standards.
I was in Escape a couple of weeks ago. As I reported, a boat had just come in and the girls were only looking for HK$1000. Looks as if they sooned learned there are some rich punters out there!
Europunter
03-26-10, 22:06
I had a very good hotel visit experience last year on my annual trip to HK with the 141 service. Paid higher than average but had an incredible time with a beautiful mainland Chinese woman who did speak English. See my report.
This year, I'd like to have a couple of experiences with 141 girls. Have noticed that the cheaper girls, many of whom look mighty fine, are not listed as English speakers. I do not speak any Chinese. Is this going screw up my plans? Some of the $600. $800 girls look very nice. I'd rather have two experiences instead of a $1400 one hour session.
Any suggestions out there? Also, has anyone visited any of the women on Lock Road. This is quite near my hotel of choice. The Kowloon in TST. However the entrances look pretty seedy, as they are shown on the 141 website.
Thanks for any comments or feedback.
FunLovingOne
03-26-10, 23:52
I apologize in advance if there is a better forum to place this post but it appears there is no Travel or Announcements thread here as in German FKK for example.
I am travelling to HK for my first time. I have spent a couple of hours dong my homework. Always nice to read in the International forums compared to the cryptic posts (for good reason) in the USA forum, especially the LA area. Now I have been to Costa Rica, Amsterdam, Germany, Mexico, etc. many, many times and I must say that HK looks like it will be a real treat. Undoubtedly I will explore the WC & TST bars plus the 141 arena. So many thanks for all the great information outlined here.
However I am struggling to choose a hotel. Many good suggestions here but I have an image problem. I want to be in an upper scale Wan Chai or TST hotel that is provider friendly but not one that will make it obvious to my business contacts in HK why I am staying there. My business is global but still a very small world. So I would greatly appeciate any hotel recommendations.
Finally, if any of you would want to meet for a drink that would be great too. If you are ever in LA I will be happy to show you around and make provider recommendations. Harder to hunt in LA with Uncle Leo lurking around so better to have an inside track.
Thanks for your consideration.
FLO
FunLovingOne,
I usually use the Holiday Inn Golden Mile (50 Nathan st) . It's not the Ritz but it's high class enough. Hari's bar in the hotel is also a good place to start or end the night. I'm in LA a lot so please pm me with info if you get a chance.
Cantri
I apologize in advance if there is a better forum to place this post but it appears there is no Travel or Announcements thread here as in German FKK for example.
I am travelling to HK for my first time. I have spent a couple of hours dong my homework. Always nice to read in the International forums compared to the cryptic posts (for good reason) in the USA forum, especially the LA area. Now I have been to Costa Rica, Amsterdam, Germany, Mexico, etc. many, many times and I must say that HK looks like it will be a real treat. Undoubtedly I will explore the WC & TST bars plus the 141 arena. So many thanks for all the great information outlined here.
However I am struggling to choose a hotel. Many good suggestions here but I have an image problem. I want to be in an upper scale Wan Chai or TST hotel that is provider friendly but not one that will make it obvious to my business contacts in HK why I am staying there. My business is global but still a very small world. So I would greatly appeciate any hotel recommendations.
Finally, if any of you would want to meet for a drink that would be great too. If you are ever in LA I will be happy to show you around and make provider recommendations. Harder to hunt in LA with Uncle Leo lurking around so better to have an inside track.
Thanks for your consideration.
FLO
Member #4698
03-27-10, 02:26
I want to be in an upper scale Wan Chai or TST hotel that is provider friendly but not one that will make it obvious to my business contacts in HK why I am staying there. FLO,
There are many choices in the 4* & 5* range. No one will infer anything unless you tell them because HKG ain't Pattaya. Here are some good choices:
5 * Wanchai - Grand Hyatt
4 * Wanchai - Novotel Century
5 * TST - Intercontinental Hong Kong
5 * TST - Kowloon Shangri-La
4.5* TST - InterContinental Grand Stanford
Member #4271
03-27-10, 02:58
Look, I could see $1500HK for LT occasionally but $2000HK for LT for a Wan Chai girl is just unacceptable and silly. Yes, sticking to $1000HK LT may require more work and is not an entirely good option before midnight but be realistic.
Unless the fleet is in, there are ALWAYS more women than men in Wan Chai. I can guarantee it based on the 30 days I spent in Wan Chai during the last year.
The girls that ask for more probably don't want or need the business that bad. It's their way of making it worth their while. There are plenty of Filipino girls who are happy for $1000HK for LT and will make an effort to be GFE in some ways.
And the conversation thing is a good idea just don't get suckered into buying ladies drinks and all that.
I'm going to be there in a few weeks and have less money this time but as long as things stay at the $1K HK LT I should be good.
When I think of the best experiences from my Christmas trip, they all involve the girls who were fine with $1000 HK LT and not the ones where I budged and gave more. Those were the troublesome ones and the ones who wanted to leave earlier and so on.
I've read back through the forum and I see wildly varying prices for pick-ups from Neptunes and the other Wan Chai discos. Anywhere from 1000 LT to 2500 ST!!
Would appreciate the advice of those with experience about what one should reasonably expect to pay.
Enjoy the life,
Geng
During my two most recent trips, I have found the girls are normally asking for 1500 ST but most can be talked down to 1000. The percentage that want more though seems to keep increasing. I will immediately pass on any that start out asking above 1500.
FLO,
There are many choices in the 4* & 5* range. No one will infer anything unless you tell them because HKG ain't Pattaya. Here are some good choices:
5 * Wanchai - Grand Hyatt
4 * Wanchai - Novotel Century
5 * TST - Intercontinental Hong Kong
5 * TST - Kowloon Shangri-La
4.5* TST - InterContinental Grand Stanford
In TST you might want to add the new Hyatt Regency. I used to always stay at the Kowloon Shangri-La but have found the Hyatt to be also a good choice. All of these hotels are straight up and should never arouse the slightest suspicion.
What should be considered most is whether you want to be on the Hong Kong side or over in Kowloon. I think Kowloon is more interesting during the day and for shopping. Many of the Wan Chai girls though are not really happy about going all the way over to Kowloon. Just figure you are going to have to promise them an extra 100 to cover cab fare back.
Member #4698
03-28-10, 05:54
What should be considered most is whether you want to be on the Hong Kong side or over in Kowloon. I think Kowloon is more interesting during the day and for shopping. Many of the Wan Chai girls though are not really happy about going all the way over to Kowloon.Thor93 is right. Crossing over is fine for shopping, sightseeing and dining, but I do not recommend crossing over once you I have picked up a girl out of a bar. It kind of kills the mood. Instead, I would recommend breaking up your Hong Kong trip and staying on both sides if you have the time. Like 5 days Wanchai and 5 days Kowloon. That way you can enjoy the nightlife on both sides to the fullest.
I also like Kowloon during the day, but mid level Soho and Causeway Bay are great for shopping and city trekking as well. You will find great restaurants on both sides.
And as for girls, both sides have a lot to offer. Wanchai has many bars and 141's. When I was there in early March, Neptune II and Laguna were kicking it. TST has fewer bars, but I believe the 141 selections are better, and it has saunas like Dundas 37. Hari's is a more upscale than Neptune II and should not be missed IMHO. So there is no clear winner. Hong Kong Island and Kowloon are both great.
was in Escape last week, chatted to a vietnamese, rate was $HK 2000 for LT. Still cheap by western standards.
TJ,
HKD2,000 is USD258 and am not sure by what standard you call this cheap. That is over 10 hours of work at minimum wage in US and 4 to 5 quickies at 141. In any case, I am not trying to start a flame war with you or anyone, it is just an observation. The normal price in HK is HKD600 for short term and HKD1,000 for long term as it had been mentioned here a few times.
Be Safe,
APAC Man
Ralph Kramden
03-28-10, 09:57
Gents
Just back from a few days in HK. A word of caution about 141 girls in the TST Empire Hotel. I ordered two different ones from the site and got switched both times. The first time turned out OK because she was quite hot. The second one was a starfish. They seem to have a large number because they sent me to the 11th floor the first time and the 8th floor the second. So beware if you get sent to that venue.
Hooked up with this gal who is on both 141(Happy-Shau Kei Wan) and 161 (BallBall- same location).
Her service was a bit hurried but got me off and I left happy. Her pussy is a cash register.
I had a most pleasant experience at the Regal Kowloon in TST and would highly recommend staying there. I had read in the past there were a lot of 141 girls operating there, but can hardly believe it because it seems like a real high-end place. But I did see evidence one evening of one girl rushing from one floor to another.
Any newbies debating whether to go HKK or BKK. Choose BKK, as this was my first experience in HKK and I am unlikely to return any time soon.
TJ,
HKD2,000 is USD258 and am not sure by what standard you call this cheap. That is over 10 hours of work at minimum wage in US and 4 to 5 quickies at 141. In any case, I am not trying to start a flame war with you or anyone, it is just an observation. The normal price in HK is HKD600 for short term and HKD1,000 for long term as it had been mentioned here a few times.
Be Safe,
APAC Man
Hi APAC, point noted and guess I will have to contribute by keeping prices down in HK. If you were to pick up escorts to come over to you hotel in US or UK, I think it would it be fair to say USD258 is the going rate for ST.
Hi APAC, point noted and guess I will have to contribute by keeping prices down in HK. If you were to pick up escorts to come over to you hotel in US or UK, I think it would it be fair to say USD258 is the going rate for ST.
Hey TJ,
I am not sure what message you post intended to imply, but depending on the city in the US, the price could be higher or lower. The biggest problem with overpaying the girls, is if I am the next guy the night after you leave, they are going to think the can "get" that inflated rate from me as well. Now, it true I can always walk away, and can assure I do just that. It just increases the "hassle" factor, and I can guarantee you that these girls talk to each other about "everything". If they start hearing some girls are getting "bigger" money, it won't be long they will all want it.....or until the market "corrects" itself again as business drops off, or the "fuglies" start getting the clients at a lower rate. Hey, it's your money to spend how you see fit, and more power to you.....just don't expect everybody to like it....IMHO of course
FunLovingOne
03-28-10, 16:05
....for the hotel recommendations. Cantri, the Holiday Inn WAS my first choice but a google search indicates it may be a little too girl friendly, which means I may sleep somewhere else but spend some time there. LOL.
I gather I will spend afternoons with 141, 161 and miss148 girls and split up evenings between TST/WC bars. No need to worry about this HK newbie contributing to inflation BTW.
Thanks again guys.
Wan Chai
girls in bars in this area are old, most of them are 30+, only saw 2 girls around 22-25. ST: HK$800-1000 (1 shot) and LT costs HK1500 (2 shots). Once done they left. The advantages are that if you stay in this area, it is convenient to get a girl at anytime after 12:00.
****** in Wan Chai
girls in 141 places in Wan Chai are also old, 30+ from mainland china. they bodies are slim and the service is good. 24 hours service, even at late night or early morning. cost: HK$350-400.
Hi, UndercoverH and everyone:
thank you and everyone for posting valuable information, they really help. Below is my experience.
141 places in Sai Wan Ho area
there are 141 places in 4-5 different buildings in this area.
-places in Tai On building are very hard to find. Can not find the entrance and elevators after searching for 20 mins. Gave up on these places.
--places in Shau Kei Wan Rd. are in a run down building now. The building will be demolished in a few weeks and all residents are moving out. you see waters here and there on the floor. The girls are about 30+ years old, but the service is excellent. One girl was using a laptop to trade stocks when I came in.
--places in Fu On building are yonger. Had a girl of 22 years old and great body. cost: HK$350.
--places in San Wan Ho Street are also older, about 30+ years old and great body. They are from mainland china.
141 places in Fortess Hill
Southern Building: theree are 3 girls there, around 30 years old. ST: HK$250-300, overnight, HK$1000.
Can anyone comments on where we can find younger girls in 141 places?
Have anyone visited 141 places in Tai Bo and Sheung Shui in New Territories area?
Hi, UndercoverH and everyone:
Can anyone comments on where we can find younger girls in 141 places?
Have anyone visited 141 places in Tai Bo and Sheung Shui in New Territories area?
The story I heard is that youndr girls prefer to stay in Shenzhen, just cross the boarder of Hong Kong. Local residents will travel 40 mins to go to Shenzhen and have fun with younder girls (18-20 years old) for a cost of HK$200. Is this the reason why we can not find younger girls in Hong Kong these days?
In most 141 places listed by ******, girls are around 30 years old, although they have great body even after having babies.
The info from 141 website is accurate, information on miss148 is out dated. Although girls have moved to another building, but the information on the websiet is not updated. please call before your hunting.
Is Hari's Bar the only place to find WG's in TST hotels. Anyone have any information on nearby hotels such as the Langham and newly opened Hyatt.
Try Sticky Fingers Bar at the end of Mody Rd. past the Shangra-La. Good live music and many WG's. Usual selection of Thai and Filipina girls plus a good selection of Chinese WG's. Only western style bar open to 5 AM in TST.
Is Hari's Bar the only place to find WG's in TST hotels. Anyone have any information on nearby hotels such as the Langham and newly opened Hyatt.
SE Asia Joe
03-29-10, 06:41
Hi, UndercoverH and everyone:
thank you and everyone for posting valuable information, they really help. Below is my experience.
141 places in Sai Wan Ho area
there are 141 places in 4-5 different buildings in this area.
-places in Tai On building are very hard to find. Can not find the entrance and elevators after searching for 20 mins. Gave up on these places.
--places in Shau Kei Wan Rd. are in a run down building now. The building will be demolished in a few weeks and all residents are moving out. you see waters here and there on the floor. The girls are about 30+ years old, but the service is excellent. One girl was using a laptop to trade stocks when I came in.
--places in Fu On building are yonger. Had a girl of 22 years old and great body. cost: HK$350.
--places in San Wan Ho Street are also older, about 30+ years old and great body. They are from mainland china.
141 places in Fortess Hill
Southern Building: theree are 3 girls there, around 30 years old. ST: HK$250-300, overnight, HK$1000.
Can anyone comments on where we can find younger girls in 141 places?
Have anyone visited 141 places in Tai Bo and Sheung Shui in New Territories area?
Please note that the gals listed on the 141 web site are basically either what they call "Hotel Gals" (HG) or "Walk Up Gals" (WG) - at least that is how they refer to them on their chat forum.
HG's are those who are "imported" from China for a few weeks - sometimes for as short as one week - whilst "WG's are those who are in possession of a Hong Kong Identity card/permanent Hong Kong resident. Prostitution per se is NOT illegal in Hong Kong and thus these WG's operate quite legally from their own one gal one room brothel for a longer period of time - and are thus usually a bit older than the HG's.
HG's - segregated in the listing as being "Hotel Reservation" - are ALL imported Gals (from all over the place BTW - and not just from china) without any working permits/illegally working. They are mostly younger, much better looking/quality, and of course higher priced.
Thus if you want Good looking gals, you'd need to chose a Hotel Gal - or else, like you said, pop over the border to partake of SYT's at as low as RMB 100/pop.
Good luck
SEAJ
Last Monday, I suddenly felt horny at the office in the morning. I quietly searched the Internet (using dial up service, not the company’s broadband access, because the company’s service would record everything we did on the Internet) and zeroed in on the Phoenix Apartment at Lee Gardens Road in Causeway Bay.
I got there just around noon, armed with details of more than a dozen girls. Unfortunately, among my top five targets (all on the fifth floor), three were already working, one wasn’t in yet (at least no one answered the door) and the last one said she wouldn’t be ready for another 10-20 minutes. I went down the list, but met the same fate with my other targets – several of them were already working, while the rest were in yet in. Frustrated, I went to the third floor, but my 4-5 targets were not yet in. In fact, most of the girls on the third floor had not come in. One of the girls in section J answered the door, but I suspected that she had enhanced breasts and declined. I was almost in despair when I knocked on the door of a girl in section E (room 4, as advertised on ******), and a next-door-girl opened the door.
It turned out to be my lucky day. Pearl was slightly above average girl, with a slightly above-average look and a slightly above-average body (as far as southern Chinese go, she’s originally from Hunan). After admitting me, she motioned for me to sit down on the only chair in the small room. I told here that I wanted to spend at least one-and-a-half hours with her for a relaxing massage, and she happily agreed. I thought she was going to help me undress or something, but she went near the bed and started to undress. I did the same, and followed her into the toilet for what I thought might be a quick shower.
The shower actually lasted a long time. She started right to the point, by cleaning my dick with shower gel. I reciprocated, rubbing her clit gently with the shower gel. Then I pulled her closer to me, embraced her, and kissed her gently on her face. She stopped working on my dick, and hugged me tenderly. I moved to kiss her on the lips, and she responded by offering her tongue. She was clearly a new girl, and I had no hesitation in enjoying a deep wet French kiss for as long as possible. My caress on her clit soon turned into a finger fuck, and I boldly ventured to her backdoor. She didn’t really resist, only commented that nothing had ever gone in her backside before. I was so aroused that I reluctantly broke off the French kiss, turned her around to facing the toilet with one foot up there, and inserted my middle finger from behind, gently but completely. She moaned, and then I whispered that I would finger fuck her at the same time. Gently, I pushed my index finger into her ****, and then fucked her two holes in tandem. I also pressed my fingers together, squeezing her two tunnels gently. Finally, she protested that she felt like she needed to shit, so I stopped the assault and returned to French kiss.
We enjoyed the shower for a bit longer before coming out and drying ourselves. We lay in bed facing each other, hugging, caressing and French-kissing. She told me that she had lived on and off in Hong Kong for several years until recently after she got her ID card. She said she had been a masseuse at beauty parlors in Hunan and Hong Kong, and joined this business only a week before. She had had about 20 customers by then, averaging three to four a day, and no one had ever done what I had done to her, not only with regard to her backside but also with regard to French-kissing her.
I sat up to face her, and caressed her labia gently, using the tantric method that I learnt from some video clips that I found on the Internet. I didn’t know if I was doing it right, but I made her wet very quickly, and with the help of her love fluid, I finger-fucked her backside again. She lasted a couple of minutes before urging me to stop.
It was then her turn to massage and caress me, starting at my shoulders and moving down towards my ass slowly. While she had the necessary massage skills and some basic instincts about pleasing men, she was clearly not well trained in some practical aspects of administering the massage. As she started working on my ass, I told her to sit with her legs stretched out straight and wide, placing my legs on hers so that she could access my ass and dick with ease at the same time. I also instructed her to drill into my backside, which was also a first for her. (I must say I was a bit surprised that none of her 20 customers previously had requested such a service. I know not every man like this, but none out of 20?)
Then I flipped over, and before she continued with her massage I pulled her over for more French-kissing and nipple-caressing. Her tits were modest, and I could pull both nipples into my mouth with ease. Then I set her loose to return to the massage, turning her around so that we were in 6-9 position. She wanted to put a rubber on my little brother, but I stopped her and told her that I wanted to shoot in her mouth. She reluctantly agreed, but said she would not swallow. Her blowjob skills were okay, but she worked hard. She not only licked my dick and balls, but also around my ass.
As she blew me, I caressed her **** and ass. Her **** was not the most beautiful or enticing I had ever seen, but it looked clean enough that I boldly gave her a few licks. Then I told her to lick my backdoor. Initially, she refused, saying that she had never done that before. But I urged her to be a good girl, and she complied. To further encourage her, I also licked her asshole a couple of times. Of course we were not professionals, and unlike the famed Dongguan masseuses we couldn’t insert our tongues into each other’s back channel. Anyway, I soon had to tell her to return to my dick, and after awhile, shoot my load in her mouth.
She went to the toilet to spit out my come, and then returned to wipe me clean with some tissue. We then went to the shower together, with more French kissing as we cleaned up each other.
After one-and-a-half hours, I was extremely happy with her and decided to reward her with HK$1,000 (her charge was $380 as posted on ******). She was really a gem. Treat her nicely, and you’ll be greatly pleased.
Ralph Kramden
03-29-10, 22:19
Very surprising report about Sticky Fingers below by Super Dave because I spent some time in the bar and had no idea about the late night action. I discovered SF because I stayed right across the street at the highly recommended Kowloon Regal (see previous report). I went there in the early evening because of their great pricing on a good selection of tap beer, 2X1 from 9AM to 10PM. I suggest you get there early and get tanked up on the cheap in anticipation of the action to follow. Their food is not bad either. Very near the TST East Subway stop at the ShangriLa. Easy walking distance from TST Central Subway stop.
The one right downstairs next to 7-11 seems to have the real Cialis. Bought it there twice now, and seemed to work perfectly.
Just this week, I went around the corner, about a block away, paid 360 for four pills, but it didn't work as well, and certainly didn't seem to help 36 hours later... :(
Oh well, live and learn. Just a little anecdotal evidence to stick with what works.
You have to go to the luk kwok hotel ,it is a good 4 star, just in the centrum of wanchai and 15 meters from the Neptune and 100 m to the Escape.
The location is great!
FunLovingOne
03-30-10, 15:33
I must be dreaming about my upcoming first ever trip to HK. After reading all I could here in ISG I also did a google search for HK nightlife and turned up the following information that for a HK newbie like me is very helpful with a big picture summary of the HK scene.
travel-budget-asia dot com (forward slash) hong-kong-nightlife.html
Old news prolly to you veterans but first timers to HK may find useful.
My trip April 16-21 HK. Based on a review of all the recommendations you all provided me for which I am thankful I am staying at new Hyatt Regency (except for Fri April 16 because I arrive at 10pm I am staying at the Holiday Inn for one night so I can do a late night at Hari's).
April 21-25 Phuket at Le Meridien Patong. :)
April 25-27 Back to HK. Lodging ***. Thinking about Royal Garden (east TST) or luk kwok hotel (WC).
April 27 Back to LA. :(
SE Asia Joe
03-30-10, 17:43
i must be dreaming about my upcoming first ever trip to hk. after reading all i could here in isg i also did a google search for hk nightlife and turned up the following information that for a hk newbie like me is very helpful with a big picture summary of the hk scene.
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took the liberty of c+p the info you've pointed us to above
your hong kong nightlife guide
the hong kong nightlife scene is a huge mass of choices for everyone. the vast majority of nightspots are concentrated into 4 distinct corners of hong kong and kowloon.
we'll show you the best hong kong nightspots for your money in all 4 corners of this vibrant city.
i'll tell you how to get to these places by mtr (mass transit rail). you'll know exactly what part of town you want to be in and how to get there after reading this page.
the legal drinking age in hong kong is 18 years old. so, have fun.
the only problem with the hong kong nightlife scene is the high price of drinks.
wander around some of the hong kong bars and take note of the ones that have special offers and what time they run happy hour. a lifeline to budget travelers is the happy hour.
don't forget the best drinks value in town. it may not be considered a part of the hong kong nightlife scene but it's the best value in town and a lot of fun. happy valley race course run their wednesday night horse races while you pay only $10hkd to get in and $100hkd for a jug of beer.
4 pints per jug is $25hkd or about $3.5usd per pint. yes, i am cheap but watching the horse racing while drinking that cheap beer is a great night out. it's a very social event and many people come out for the party and place just the occasional bet.
also keep in mind the fact that women are considered more important than us men. wednesday nights are ladies' nights and most bars in 'wan chai' give free drinks to the ladies.
for you men that may be feeling jealous. don't bother trying to get the free drinks by wearing makeup and stockings. it never works.
not all of the bars are like that. the hong kong nightlife scene is filled with corner pubs serving $2usd tsing tao beer that is cold and tasty but you'll be sitting on plastic chairs and stared at by old couples and single men with old noodles stuck to the side of their faces.
these noodle / drinking bars are really a neat experience but any new friends you meet won't speak much english language. despite that i actually met and sat with some of the nicest chinese people i'd met throughout the year i spent in china.
the traditional hotspot for both eating and drinking with westerners is lan kwai fong in central. wan chai is also fun, if slightly sleazier with numerous girly bars along 'lockhart road', while 'causeway bay' and 'eastern soho' out beyond 'quarry bay' offer a less touristy experience.
the hong kong nightlife in 'central' district
there are 2 'sub-sections' of the 'central' district on hong kong island. they are...
lan kwai fong
take the mtr to the 'central' mtr station on hong kong island.
use 'exit d2' so you'll be on 'theatre lane'. it's about a 5 minute walk along 'theatre lane' up to 'd'aguilar street, which is the heart of the hong kong nightlife in lan kwai fong. just follow the smiling and sometimes swaggering people.
once you're there you'll easily find a bar to your liking.
soho
soho is very near lan kwai fong. take the mtr to the 'central' mtr station and use 'exit d2'. once outside turn right off 'theatre lane'. walk along 'queen's road central' towards 'the center'. then take the 'central-mid-levels escalator' to its end and you're in 'soho'.
'lan kwai fong' district has a much larger selection of bars and is filled with the most hong kong nightlife venues and an infectious energy. more so than the soho district. but the people let loose just as well.
people go to lan kwai fong to be seen and to practice their breathing. but in soho they let their hair down and it was just a lot more entertaining and relaxing.
•q (bar)
q has a back-lit long-bar that is the visual heart of the place. the bartenders are friendly and serve up the newest and trendiest cocktails, rare vintage wines and carry a huge selection of spirits and liqueurs.
djs nightly starting at 10pm.
last time i went in they were running their happy hours from monday to saturday between 6-10pm. that was november 2007 but i talked to some staff and they believed that the extra long happy hours kept people in the place long into the late hours.
makes sense. get people as drunk as you can before that 10pm bell rings. they won't be sober enough to leave or even walk but they can still pull their wallets from their pockets and lift glasses to their faces. marketing at its best.
california tower,
32 d'aguilar street,
lan kwai fong.
tel. 2868-6062.
•c bar
a great little bar to check out the entire lan kwai fonf hong kong nightlife district. at the very top of c bar you can look down on the main intersection and have a beer while you decide where next to go.
ground floor,
california tower,
30-32 d'aguilar st.,
tel. 2530 3695.
•hong kong brewhouse
the floor of this bar is covered in a thick layer of sawdust. the bar is long and the stool are comfortable. it's a very relaxing place to drink some of their famous beers. they do have a pretty extensive menu of other drinks but this bar is relaxed but vibrant on the weekends.
you'll not need your suit and tie in this pub but you wouldn't be stared at if you had one on. rated the top spot in central for a nice introduction to some hong kong nightlife:)
lower ground floor / lan kwai fong tower,
33 wyndham street.
tel. 2522-5559
•fringe club roof garden
a more refined crowd makes this rooftop terrace their hong kong nightlife home. but the terrace is high enough to literally lift you out of the chaos of the city below. there is a pretty relaxed atmosphere and makes for a great spot to take someone you'd like to impress.
rainy days spoil the entire rooftop terrace experience but it's especially beautiful if you can get a seat up there in the hours after a major downpour.
2 lower albert road.
tel. 2521-7251
•mo bar
this is a fashionable hangout at the cosmopolitan landmark mandarin oriental hotel. yes that name is intimidating and the drinks are overpriced in this street level entry into the hong kong nightlife scene.
mo bar was really a place where people seemed very concerned about who owned the newest, most expensive mobile phone. i had one beer and watched the men pulling their mobile phones from the pockets of their expensive suits.
sometimes i think that there was no one on the other end of the line.
i also was approached by a few very high-class prostitutes. high-class basically means i would never have pinned them as prostitutes. but luckily i had looked in the mirror before i headed out. girls like this don't approach guys like me. although, i did have on my luck y shirt!
they are not pushy but be aware that they are at mo bar and usually make nice offers and guise their evil tactics as a harmless offer of a massage in your room.
ground floor,
15 queen's road, central
tel. 2132-0077
.•drop
some call this the hippest bar on the hong kong nightlife scene. they serve a colorful collection of fresh-fruit martinis that taste like fruit juice. they're dangerous because you can't taste the alcohol in the drink. but if that's you're biggest problem in life then you're doing pretty good and you'll enjoy a night out here.
the people who include 'drop' in the hong kong nightlife schedule are high-energy folks. it's probably the most happening place in the 'central' district of hong kong. there are some happy people that come to 'drop' bar.
opening hours are:
monday-tuesday 7pm to 2am.
wednesday 7pm-3am
thursday 7pm-4am
friday-saturday 7pm-6am.
basement, on luk mansion,
39-43 hollywood road
tel. 2543-8856
•bar george
bar george is a contemporary version of the traditional english pub. a great place to start the night out because of their happy hour. it runs everyday from 5pm-7pm. drinks are half price and the place is usually filled and even packed on the weekends.
good place to start a night amongst the hong kong nightlife.
38-44 d'aguilar street.
tel. 2521-2202
•boca
tapas and wine bar that is always full, especially during happy hours from 5pm-7pm. even the happy hours are an expensive affair here but once your in this area of 'soho' other nightspots await you on every corner.
65 peel street, soho
tel. 2548-1717.
•dragon-i
ultra-cool bar that attracts the prime party set of the hong kong nightlife scene. the show is a spectacular one as this is a bar to be seen in. i couldn't believe the extravagance of the fashion and the beauty of the people in dragon-i.
i felt like the ugliest man in the world with the fewest friends and the worst fashion sense. but that wasn't from an unwelcoming environment because i felt comfortable being the ugliest man in the room.
happy hour runs from 3pm-9pm so it's great for afternoon alcoholic action. people don't usually start showing up until 10pm but that is the norm for most bars and clubs on the hong kong nightlife scene.
upper-ground floor,
the centrium.
wyndham street.
tel. 3110-1222
•yumla
this is a really small club with a big atmosphere. yumla is a basement club with more reasonable drink prices and a great place to jive to the tunes from the local djs. the dance floor can get packed on the weekends and few people have any rhythm but it's fun as heck just to get in the middle and wave along with it.
lower basement,
harilela house,
79 wyndham st.,
tel: 2147 2382.
•gecko
this is a popular place for the young, hip, easy-going crowd. a bit difficult to find the place but the entrance is very near the corner of cochrane and hollywood road.
lower ground floor,
ezra la street.,
tel. 2537 4680
hong kong nightlife in 'wan chai' district
wan chai is the most famous hong kong nightlife district for its selection of pubs, nightclubs and hostess bars. this is also the district to find the most live music and the best places for dancing the night away.
there are 3 roads that you should be aware of in the wan chai district.
•lockhart road
take the mtr to the 'wan chai' mtr station. take 'exit c' and you'll be standing on lockhart road the moment you come outside into the open air.
luard road
take the mtr to the 'wan chai' mtr station. take 'exit c' onto lockhart road and turn left on lockhart road. it's only about a 3 minute walk up lockhart road before you cross luard road.
jaffe road
take the mtr to the 'wan chai' mtr station. take 'exit c' onto lockhart road and turn right this time on lockhart road. walk up to o'brian road and turn left on o'brian road. take the immediate right and you'll find yourself standing on jaffe road.
•jj's
designed as a nice dining venue with a regular r&b band that performs from monday to saturday starting at 9.30pm. it's in the grand hyatt hotel but you can get away with cheap happy hour warm-ups and then head over.
i had to mention it because the seating is so darn comfortable, the band is fantastic and i watched them perform for over an hour with only a single drink purchase ($9usd for that drink!)
grand hyatt hotel,
1 harbour road.
tel. 2584-7662
•joe bananas
a wonderful place located on lockhart road, where the drinks are friendly and the women are cheap (or was it the other way around?). this place has a reputation for drinking that precedes it. people don't talk much as their beer mugs and wine glasses are occupying their mouths.
partying and drinking goes on until sunrise.
23 luard road.
ph. 2529 1811
happy hours run from 11am to 10pm. yes, you can get a drink during happy hours before noon. maybe that's not your thing but it's nice to have the option for those who are on holiday. once the crowds arrive around 10-11pm joe bananas really starts becoming a place you just can't leave.
as a budget traveler who spent 4 months in hong kong i never found myself thinking there was a better choice amongst the multitude of hong kong nightlife. try and make it to joe bananas because it's worth the effort.
•bulldog's bar and grill
if you love the live music venues in the hong kong nightlife scene then mark bulldog's on your list. the food is as good as the best bar&grill type comfort food you'll find back home. the multiple large screen tvs keep a strict sport schedule for the sports from cricket to the occasional hockey game.
second floor,
21-25 luard road & 93 jaffe road.
tel. 2529 2661
you'll also find their second branch at:
the ground floor,
17 lan kwai fong.
tel. 2523 3528
•delaney's
this is an irish bar in every sense. it boasts a collection of over 50 different kinds of whiskeys. the happy hour is the reason delaney's is on this page because it is far from cheap during their peak hours.
but happy hour runs from noon until 9pm and some of the drinks get almost reasonable.
one capital place.
18 luard road.
tel. 2804 2880
•the canny man
the people, atmosphere and music are relaxing and laid back here. the canny man stocks over 200 malt whiskies from scotland alone. there's also a pool table with some great competitive nights and even the occasional prize-cash competition.
i never win because i'm not near some of the best pool players that sow up with magically detachable pool 'wands" that they screw together then screw everyone who tries to beat them.
the 'canny man' is a pub atmosphere with wireless internet access. it's usually quiet during the day so you'll often see people with their notebooks open, getting some work done while enjoying a scotch. it gets quite busy on the weekends though.
b1, wharney guarng dong hotel,
57-73 lockhart road.
tel. 2861 1935
the hong kong nightlife in causeway bay
causeway bay is the place for some cozy bars and some lively pubs. but the most dominant form of hong kong nightlife entertainment in causeway bay is karaoke. don't be afraid to walk into one or more of the karaoke bars. they can be a lot of fun as long as you're not asked to sing.
the best 2 streets to find the best hong kong nightlife in causeway bay are:
yui wah street
take the mtr to the 'causeway bay' mtr station. once there take 'exit a' out of the mtr terminal. this will put you on sharp road east. take a left and walk a single block up. 'yui wah street' is one block away and runs parallel to sharp road east.
sunning road and hoi ping road
take the mtr to the 'causeway bay' mtr station. once there take 'exit f' out of the mtr terminal. this will land you on yun ping road. from there you'll have to turn right into hysan road. sunning road and hoi ping road run 2 streets to the left of hysan road.
it sounds confusing when i read it back but the directions are solid and much easier to navigate than i made it seem.
•dicken's bar
lively sports bar with some great grub and multiple large-screen tvs. happy hours runs from 5pm-8pm
281 gloucester road.
2837 6782
•diva red
the interior of diva red is all in red but it's a soothing red and a comfortable place. it's expensive for drinks but they have some of the best mixed cocktails in town. diva red is expensive though i've listed it here because at happy hours they offer 2 for 1 drinks. happy hour runs from 6pm-9pm monday to saturday.
21 sharp street east.
tel. 2187 3993
•inn side out / east end brewery
a secluded gem of a place for a casual drink and some of its excellent american-style food. happy hours run from 2:30pm-8pm.
10 hysan avenue.
tel. 2895 2900
•windsor arms sport bar
yes, the windsor arms sport bar is in the regal hotel. it's a top notch bar and the drinks can be expensive. especially because they have failed to implement the budget travelers' life-line. there is no happy hour.
i'm putting it here because the windsor arms sport bar turns into a sporting fans dream in the evenings. the giant screen tv shows all the major sporting events and once you're on ye wo street, you'll find many other options less than a few meters away.
basement level 2,
regal hong kong hotel,
88 ye wo street.
tel. 2837 1749
the hong kong bars in tsim sha tsui
this is where i spent most of my time while in hong kong. much of the hong kong nightlife in tsim sha tsui is within walking distance of my hotel in the mirador mansion.
there are a few streets and areas where the hong kong nightlife in tsim sha tsui is at it's best.
knutsford terrace, knutsford steps and observatory court
take the mtr to the 'tsim sha tsui' mtr station. make sure to use 'exit b1' so that you'll exit onto 'nathan road'. walk along nathan road for 2 blocks until you see kimberly road. turn left onto kimberly road and keep a look-out for a walkway just past the miramar shopping center.
ashley road
take the mtr to the 'tsim sha tsui' mtr station. make sure to use 'exit c1' so that you'll exit onto nathan road. walk along nathan road until you come to 'peking road'. take a right turn onto peking road and walk another 3 blocks before turning right onto 'ashley road'.
hart avenue and prat avenue
take the mtr to the 'tsim sha tsui' mtr station. make sure to use 'exit a2' so that you'll exit onto humphrey's avenue. it's a 5 minute walk along humphrey's avenue before you'll come to hart and prat avenue.
tsim sha tsui east
take the mtr to the 'tsim sha tsui' mtr station. make sure to use 'exit c1' so that you'll exit onto nathan road. cross nathan road and get onto mody road on the opposite side of the street.
walk along mody road for about 10 minutes and you'll come to chatam road south. cross chatham road south and keep walking for another 10 minutes before you'll arrive at tsim sha tsui east.
•8 fine irishmen
5pm-7pm is all they'll grant you for happy hours but the prices during happy hours are some of the best, if not the best amongst any bar or club on the hong kong nightlife scene. observatory court is considered a trendy place but the people are great even if they may go overboard on the fashion.
8 observatory court.
tel. 2316 2133
•bahama mama's
the first thing i noticed inside this place were the palm trees. apparently bahama mama's is most famous for its shooter menu. if you love shooters and playing foozball (table football) while palm trees sway in the artificial breeze then you'll love bahama mama's
happy hours run from 5pm-9pm monday to saturday.
4-5 knutsford terrace
tel. 2368 2121
•bulldog's bar & grill kowloon
bulldog's is heart and soul a sports pub. they serve up aussie-brit style pub food complimented by round-the-clock live sports action on both large-screen tvs and large projection tvs. live bands are a mainstay 6 days a week usually starting their show after 10pm.
ground 5 and upper-ground 25,
tst center,
66 mody road.
tel. 2311 6993
•ned kelly's last stand
a really good warm-up bar. it's located on ashley road which runs parallel to nathan road. ned's is an australian themed jazz bar with great food and good live music on most nights. usually the band takes stage after happy hours which runs from 6pm-9pm
the place has very long tables so you'll often find yourself at the same table as many others. an awesome way for a lone traveler to meet some new people. you'll find many other travelers checking out the hong kong nightlife and are quick to start up a conversation.
the hong kong nightlife danger
ugly people are ugly people the world over. if a beautiful south-east asian girl suddenly finds you 'handsome too much' then you've just met a girl who may not have your best interests at heart. maybe you know that and don't care. just as long as you know that she will want money for her time.
some of the western bars and restaurants on lockhart road in wan chai are where the prostitutes from southeast asia (thailand, indonesia and the phillipines) work. sometimes they work as 'waitresses' until the bar or restaurant closes. then they magically transform into available women for a wine and dancing "date" with even the elephant man.
western women often aren't as warmly welcomed as western men in these places. the girls are jealous of western women because they are much more beautiful. you probably don't want to be in any of these bars anyway. if you do then just head in with wide eyes and enjoy a cold beer.
don't leave your drinks unattended. the same goes for men and women both. i read in the newspapers about scams that involved drugs being placed in your drink. robberies happen quite often (big city) and it's usually the lone man or woman who may have drank too much.
check your bill because they are sometimes fatter than they should be.
the bars with curtains covering the doors are brothels. drinks may be cheap but those for the girls will be expensive. i first thought that i was buying a drink that would cost the same as my own for a girl who actually liked me.
this was at a 'normal-looking' bar in wan chai. i had to go home after buying a few drinks. i'd run out of money.
be careful out there but enjoy. the hong kong nightlife scene is one of the best in the world.
SE Asia Joe
03-30-10, 17:45
I tried to post a report just now - and all I see is a blank now!
Wonder what happened?
SEAJ
Ralph Kramden
03-31-10, 13:39
Good location for this hotel. Right across the street from Sticky Fingers (see below). A cheap Internet access place right behind. Decent shopping in the area and even a close by McDonalds if the mood strikes you.
Hey guys.
A quick question for all my mongering brethren. How do the girls in Hong Kong compare to those in Macau?
I've been a frequent visitor to Macau for quite awhile now, usually taking up the girls wandering the casino floors and hitting up the saunas. I'd have to say that the sauna girls in Macau are definitely top-notch, probably as good as it gets, though it did cost me quite a small fortune. Casino girls were pretty nice too.
For business reasons, it would actually be more practical to have my fun in Hong Kong. However, I don't really like to make trips to run down buildings or the like, so I would probably stick to the saunas or hotel reservation girls in HK. So I was just wondering how the girls compare. Quality wise? How about ease of access? Price?
If anyone could give me a comparison that would be great.
Thanks in advance!
Member #4271
04-01-10, 02:18
I will be in HK for the 3rd time in a few weeks. Where are the reports on the scene? Where are the reports about the action during the 7s?
I am still planning on only spending $1K HK for LT with my Wan Chai girls. I have a few I'll see again and want to sample new ones.
Let's have some reconnaissance fellas! What's it like out there?
Flyboy 2000
04-02-10, 11:14
I'll be heading to Beijing on business mid-April, with flights via HK - and in addition to an overnight in HK am thinking of nipping across to Shenzen.
As Shenzen is part of the mainland I presume I'll need the same visa as for Beijing (and as I'd be going from Beijing to HK, then back to Shenzen, I'd need a multiple entry visa instead of a normal single-entry visa) - or with Shenzen being a 'special economic zone' does it have some form of visa waiver?
I'll be heading to Beijing on business mid-April, with flights via HK. And in addition to an overnight in HK am thinking of nipping across to Shenzen.
As Shenzen is part of the mainland I presume I'll need the same visa as for Beijing (and as I'd be going from Beijing to HK, then back to Shenzen, I'd need a multiple entry visa instead of a normal single-entry visa). Or with Shenzen being a 'special economic zone' does it have some form of visa waiver?The only places in China you don't need a visa is Hong Kong and Macau. Everywhere else you will need a visa. I'm pretty sure you will need a multiple because you will be going into China multiple times.
I'll be heading to Beijing on business mid-April, with flights via HK - and in addition to an overnight in HK am thinking of nipping across to Shenzen.
As Shenzen is part of the mainland I presume I'll need the same visa as for Beijing (and as I'd be going from Beijing to HK, then back to Shenzen, I'd need a multiple entry visa instead of a normal single-entry visa) - or with Shenzen being a 'special economic zone' does it have some form of visa waiver?
You need a visa for Shenzhen. Depending on what passport you're holding, you may be able to get a Shenzhen visa at the checkpoint, but if you have a US passport, forget it. You need the full China visa obtained before you go. If you are only spending one night in Hong Kong, you'll definitely need to get this before you leave your home country. Same visa for SZ and Beijing, a single entry is OK only if you go to SZ and then Beijing, if you come back to HK first you'll need a double entry visa.
MarkWantFun
04-03-10, 05:29
Hey Hi buddy, i am traveling to Hk too on 19-24th April, wana hunt together ;)
I will be in HK for the 3rd time in a few weeks. Where are the reports on the scene? Where are the reports about the action during the 7s?
I am still planning on only spending $1K HK for LT with my Wan Chai girls. I have a few I'll see again and want to sample new ones.
Let's have some reconnaissance fellas! What's it like out there?
MarkWantFun
04-03-10, 05:33
Hi buddy,
I will be in Hk too from 19-24th. I am travelling to Hk for the first time just like you. lets meet up over a drink and hunt together after that. I am staying at Ibis?
I must be dreaming about my upcoming first ever trip to HK. After reading all I could here in ISG I also did a google search for HK nightlife and turned up the following information that for a HK newbie like me is very helpful with a big picture summary of the HK scene.
travel-budget-asia dot com (forward slash) hong-kong-nightlife.html
Old news prolly to you veterans but first timers to HK may find useful.
My trip April 16-21 HK. Based on a review of all the recommendations you all provided me for which I am thankful I am staying at new Hyatt Regency (except for Fri April 16 because I arrive at 10pm I am staying at the Holiday Inn for one night so I can do a late night at Hari's).
April 21-25 Phuket at Le Meridien Patong. :)
April 25-27 Back to HK. Lodging ***. Thinking about Royal Garden (east TST) or luk kwok hotel (WC).
April 27 Back to LA. :(
Hey guys.
A quick question for all my mongering brethren. How do the girls in Hong Kong compare to those in Macau?
I've been a frequent visitor to Macau for quite awhile now, usually taking up the girls wandering the casino floors and hitting up the saunas. I'd have to say that the sauna girls in Macau are definitely top-notch, probably as good as it gets, though it did cost me quite a small fortune. Casino girls were pretty nice too.
For business reasons, it would actually be more practical to have my fun in Hong Kong. However, I don't really like to make trips to run down buildings or the like, so I would probably stick to the saunas or hotel reservation girls in HK. So I was just wondering how the girls compare. Quality wise? How about ease of access? Price?
If anyone could give me a comparison that would be great.
Thanks in advance!
Kardel,
IMHO, you are unlikely to find equal quality suana girls in HK, but the price will be less, the facility in HK won't be anywhere near as nice either.
The best part of the scene in HK is the fun of Wanchai. If you desire some delicacy other than PRC ladies, then HK is MUCH better than Macau.
In the clubs you will find many Fili's, Viet's, Thai's, Indo's and the like. There are also a few So. Amer gals, mostly Columbian's, but they would starve to death in the their own country. If you wish to travel to Kowloon, there are a couple of locations that specialize in Mongolian ladies and few of the CIS gals as well.
I personally enjoy HK much more, because I like the club scene better than picking out # 191 for a predetermined session. However I will say that K Pressure in TST is a great locale as well.
Hope this helps!
Sky
i will be in hk for the 3rd time in a few weeks. where are the reports on the scene? where are the reports about the action during the 7s?
i am still planning on only spending $1k hk for lt with my wan chai girls. i have a few i'll see again and want to sample new ones.
let's have some reconnaissance fellas! what's it like out there?
all the good ones are still "recovering" from your last visit, or so broken hearted from your departure they can't work until you return......please hurry back we're "starving" over here........:-)
as far as i know nothing substantial has changed, probably a few new faces while others are on visa runs, etc. my conversations with the gals indicated that the 7's don't bring them as much biz as you might think because the guys all get pissed and aren't concentrating in the "task at hand", or maybe that was just sour grapes from the ones that didn't get chosen.
it is still a spinner wonderful land of many flavors, to suit all tastes.....for the most part and prices are stable as long as the usn is not in port......
FunLovingOne
04-03-10, 15:36
Hi buddy,
I will be in Hk too from 19-24th. I am travelling to Hk for the first time just like you. lets meet up over a drink and hunt together after that. I am staying at Ibis?
Great. PM sent.
Aussiebloke453
04-04-10, 08:57
Will be travelling with the wife to HK and staying at Langham Place in Mongkok. I might get 3 hours or so during one of the days to call my own....just wondering if there is a massage place close by that will see me not travel with excess baggage from Hong Kong?
Appreciate any recommendation and suggestions.
Cheers,
AB453
Assuming by "massage" you mean something other than purely legit, I think 37 Dundas Street is not far from there, and perhaps a little further (but not too far) is K Pressure. Lots of reviews of these two places here - do a search., Eric Burden gave instructions to Dundas street in a recent posting, and I and others gave directions a long time ago to K pressure. Or you could try one of the many saunas in Kowloon. Here's a post that recommends some places in Mongkok: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=987901&postcount=3806
Will be travelling with the wife to HK and staying at Langham Place in Mongkok. I might get 3 hours or so during one of the days to call my own....just wondering if there is a massage place close by that will see me not travel with excess baggage from Hong Kong?
Appreciate any recommendation and suggestions.
Cheers,
AB453
Johnny Rocket
04-04-10, 21:55
i am wondering if any guys are aware of web sites which are commonly used by local hk girls to advertise their "compensated dating" services. i would like to know those sites as i am interested in finding a young (but of legal age) hk non-pro girl.
actually anywhere i could find a young hk non-pro girl would be greatly appreciated.
disclaimer: i am not looking for illegal activity or the exploitation of **** girls. i am looking for young but legal girls that aren't typical pros.
if you feel more comfortable, perhaps send me a private message.
If you wish to travel to Kowloon, there are a couple of locations that specialize in Mongolian ladies and few of the CIS gals as well.
Sky
Hi Bro, the obvious one is Hari's Bar in TST. Do you have another source for quality and quantity of Mongol ladies?
Uncle Wayne
04-05-10, 15:37
Johnny,
I should give you a heads up on the compensated dating scene. Unless you speak Cantonese, it will be difficult and quite frankly not worth your trouble. The whole appeal of compensated dating is that the girls are young and non-pro, emphasis on non-pro, and they expect to be treated as such. It'll be almost as bad as a real date.
If you want public GFE, negotiate it with any regular working girl. 141, 37 D, Wanchai, whatever. Chinese girls can pass for HK girls in public if that's what you're after. Just tell them to dress regularly and you won't have to worry about everyone knowing you're taking a working girl out on the town.
And oh yeah, despite what they may tell you, a lot of compensated dating girls are actually high school students. And believe me, you DO NOT want to get busted for that.
Hope that helps!
Johnny Rocket
04-06-10, 17:29
Johnny,
I should give you a heads up on the compensated dating scene. Unless you speak Cantonese, it will be difficult and quite frankly not worth your trouble. The whole appeal of compensated dating is that the girls are young and non-pro, emphasis on non-pro, and they expect to be treated as such. It'll be almost as bad as a real date.
If you want public GFE, negotiate it with any regular working girl. 141, 37 D, Wanchai, whatever. Chinese girls can pass for HK girls in public if that's what you're after. Just tell them to dress regularly and you won't have to worry about everyone knowing you're taking a working girl out on the town.
And oh yeah, despite what they may tell you, a lot of compensated dating girls are actually high school students. And believe me, you DO NOT want to get busted for that.
Hope that helps!
Thanks a lot for your advice. I should add:
1. I speak Cantonese fairly well, but I don't read it or type it. That's why I can't search in Chinese, etc. If I can find the sites, I'll just look at profiles and send emails in very basic English.
2. I wouldn't ever try to find someone under 18 years old, but most F.6/7 girls are 18 or above. In my mind it is not a problem if they are still in high school SO LONG AS THEY ARE 18 OR OLDER. However I was thinking that university students or young girls just out of school working at McDonald's or whatever, who need money, would be more likely candidates.
3. I'm definitely looking for young local non-pros.
4. Not looking for public GFE. Would take her to a private place.
So can anyone point me to good web sites for this? Thanks!
My trip April 16-21 HK. Based on a review of all the recommendations you all provided me for which I am thankful I am staying at new Hyatt Regency (except for Fri April 16 because I arrive at 10pm I am staying at the Holiday Inn for one night so I can do a late night at Hari's).
April 25-27 Back to HK. Lodging ***. Thinking about Royal Garden (east TST) or luk kwok hotel (WC).
April 27 Back to LA. :(Hey Funlovingone,
My trip is almost exactly as yours, want to hook up for a drink? I'm a native HKess but now working in LA, just so you know. Unfortunately I'm not a paid member so. If you can find a way.
Uncle Wayne
04-07-10, 03:13
Johnny,
Okay, I see, I see. Different strokes for different folks :-)
I'd love to help you out, but my compensated dating experience has strictly been word of mouth recommendations from my HK co-workers. I'd give you the numbers but I can't PM yet, so eh, sorry!
Hope you find some good hookups. And if you do, remember to insist on paying after. Since these girls don't have to answer to anyone, they aren't really obligated to deliver. One time I paid beforehand and she kept pressuring me to spend more to wine and dine her (lobster rock and roll, anyone?) or else it was implied there would be no sex, or refund for that matter. What a *****. I've heard similar stories from friends/co-workers too, so be careful.
And hey, learning to type Chinese is easy, especially since you can already speak it. Just pick up a Pinyin chart and you should be able to type decently after a week or two of practice.
Uncle Wayne
04-07-10, 05:00
Inspired by Kardel's post asking about the differences between mongering in Hong Kong and Macau, I decided to draw up a brief comparison between the two. After all, these two islands are right next to each other and quite similar in many respects. It's quite tempting to take that ferry ride across the sea to discover what the sin City of Asia has to offer. And while the two are fairly similar, they do have their differences, and here are their differences as I see them.
Some generalizations first.
Hong Kong
Most mongers in this region of the world will be situated in Hong Kong. It's just bigger, easier to access, and easier to navigate as a foreigner. Hong Kong is one of the most expensive cities in the world, so be prepared to have your wallet feeling a lot lighter after a few days of fun. That said, there are so many things to do in this city. Even mongering itself has more variety in HK. There tend to be more South East Asian and Eastern European girls here. As far as legal issues go, as a punter you should have no trouble with the law. Even if you should be unfortunate enough to get caught in a raid, just show the police a copy of your passport and they should let you go without any major embarrassment or harassment. However, being that prostitution isn't "perfectly legal" here, along with the issues of illegal immigration, the mongering scene in general can feel a bit more sleazy. Also be prepared to endure more walks of shame and risk bumping into people you know with your newfound lady friend.
Macau
About an hour's ferry ride from Hong Kong, Macau is hailed as the Las Vegas of Asia. Transportation isn't as convenient as Hong Kong. There are fewer flights to Macau, so most people come to Hong Kong and take the ferry ride over. The ride itself is cheap, fast, and comfortable, but it still takes extra time and money. There's really not much to do in Macau, so you'll probably be bored out of your mind if you stay longer than a weekend. Also, Macau is heavily influenced by China, so English will not work as well as it does in HK. On the other hand, speaking Chinese (Mandarin) gets you much further in Macau than it does in HK. On that same note, Macau's selection focuses more on Chinese and less on South East Asian or Eastern European, though there is still a healthy variety. The best part about Macau is that since it gets about 80% of it's GDP from gambling and its associated sins, prostitution is perfectly legal and oftentimes encouraged. Rarely does Macau feel sleazy. All hotels are GF, rarely do you have to worry about a walk of shame, and it's virtually impossible to run into someone you know. Even in the one in a million chance that you do, you both know why you're here.
Now, on to the girls.
Saunas
This is Macau's bread and butter, and you've never been to one before, I strongly recommend that you do. It may be a bit more pricey, but nothing in HK even comes close. The quality of the girls is definitely top-notch, as is their service. The facilities are easily accessible, clean, friendly, and non-sleazy. The atmosphere is one of a gentlemen's club where you're just there to "relax, " not like other places where everyone's just looking for ass. The majority of the girls will be Chinese, along with a small offering of South East Asian girls, a couple Eastern European ones, and one or two black girls. If saunas are your thing, there's no question about it, Macau is hands down the way to go.
Hotel Reservation
HK takes the lead with this one, but only because Macau doesn't really offer this service. 141 and other similar sites have a bunch of profiles you can look over before calling them to arrange a session. Communication with the pimp may be a problem, and you also have to meet the girl at her hotel, not the other way around. The pictures, while real, are extensively Photoshopped, so keep that in mind. These girls will cost you about the same (and sometimes more) than a sauna experience in Macau with the additional inconveniences mentioned above. If this is your style of mongering, I suggest just going to a sauna in Macau.
Walk Ups
Again, HK comes out the winner, but only because this kind of service isn't readily available in Macau. Finding walk ups is similar to finding hotel reservation girls. Same sites, same Photoshopped pictures, only you usually don't have to call anyone beforehand. Instead, you visit the girls at their apartments, which are a little run down, are filled with Johns wandering the halls looking for a Jane, and reek of sex. Walk ups can be pretty cheap and the quality is average with a few good ones thrown into the mix. If you're just looking for a quick and dirty fix, HK will be your best bet for lack of similar service in Macau.
Streetwalkers
SWs aren't really my thing, but from my limited experience, I will say that it is pretty much a tie. Price, ease of access, quality, service, and variety of selection is about the same. HK streetwalkers seem to be mostly South East Asian while Macau has slightly more Chinese girls, though they are usually old and busted. Overall, Macau hotels are more GF to this sort of thing than HK ones, but there will still be a walk of shame past the front desk to your room.
Hotel Walkers
Okay, I made this category up, but it basically refers to the Lisboa racetrack girls and Venetian food court girls. Think of them as upscale streetwalkers. Basically it's the same routine, only the girls are younger, hotter, more expensive, and do their advertising inside a nice hotel instead of on the shady street. Service is oftentimes lacking and rushed. They have a nice room of their own upstairs and the walk of shame factor is a lot smaller since you're already inside the hotel and the girls are more attractive. Macau obviously wins this category because there's nothing comparable in HK, but if you're already in Macau and are prepared to spend this kind of money, I suggest just going to a sauna instead. Better bang for your buck.
KTV
Similar to SWs, my experience with KTVs is limited, mostly because I can't sing any Chinese or Cantonese songs so I feel that it's a waste of time and money. However, I will give the upper hand to Macau, as it appears to be slightly cheaper and have better quality girls. Macau's KTVs will feature mostly Chinese girls, while HK's will have a good portion that are local girls. The local HK girls don't come cheap though, and they're more stuck up and stingy with their service. KTVs might be a good choice if you're hanging out with a group of friends and some of them are locals, but if not, then I suggest partaking in something else depending on what you fancy. Even the best Macau saunas will be cheaper than a decent KTV experience.
Bars and Clubs
If Macau has its world-class saunas, then HK's answer is its famed bars and clubs. Wanchai, need I say more? The girls will be predominantly South East Asian with a few Chinese and Eastern European girls. If the gentlemen's club thing is too bland for your tastes, then flirting, drinking, and dancing with girls to loud music and later taking them back to your hotel to seal the deal may be more up your alley. The quality depends, but it's usually average to above average. And if you can successfully fend off all those pushes for tequila rock and roll, the price can be fairly cheap, depending on how you negotiate. Sometimes if you're lucky you can even pick up freebies. Macau has nothing similar. Sure, it has some bars where the working girls go to chill after their shifts, but they're off the clock and probably don't pay you much attention unless they're genuinely interested in you. So if drinking and dancing in a club with a high girl to guy ratio is for you, then you can't go wrong with HK.
In closing, both Hong Kong and Macau are great places for mongering. And since they're so close to each other, you should just give everything a try once just to see how you like it. Things work differently for everyone. But if you're not a frequently visitor to this region of the world and time and/or money is a limiting factor, then I hope this guide helps with making a choice. After you've made your choice, please refer to the other great guides on this forum for more detailed reviews of a particular venue, and you'll be all set.
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Great analysis of HK & Macau. RoD Congratulation !
What happens to the multi analysis when one throws in ZH and CP into the mix ? First one would require a CN visa for ZH and CP.
FunLovingOne
04-08-10, 00:24
Hey Funlovingone,
My trip is almost exactly as yours, want to hook up for a drink? I'm a native HKess but now working in LA, just so you know. Unfortunately I'm not a paid member so. If you can find a way.
Happy to however I can't seem to send you a pm. Hit me up at funlovingone777 at yahoo.
Uncle Wayne
04-08-10, 15:42
If we throw ZH and CP into the mix, that would make for one complicated comparison. For starters, a visa would be required, the prices would probably be 1/3 to 1/2 of what you're paying in HK and Macau, and the selection would be almost all Chinese!
Will be travelling with the wife to HK and staying at Langham Place in Mongkok. I might get 3 hours or so during one of the days to call my own....just wondering if there is a massage place close by that will see me not travel with excess baggage from Hong Kong?
Appreciate any recommendation and suggestions.
Cheers,
AB453
AB453
Langham Place is a very good location for massage and what ever else.
First the hotel has a fantastic spa, expensive and legit. If you are looking for such a massage, it is a place to be.
Dundas 37 is very close, All what you need, but not massage. Only 5 mins walk from the hotel. Since years a nice place for FS. Well described in the forum.
There are plenty of saunas around the hotel, espec. when you walk in parallel to the Nathan road. From time to time I gave one of them a try. What I learnt is that there is a continuous change, means new owners, new location, etc.. If you don't speak Cantonese and you don't like adventures, then wouldn't go there, espec. considering your time window.
Helpful could be a look to the website of 141 forum section. There are some referrers to saunas, mostly up-to-date.
Finally, it seems, that Dundas 37 is the best option for you, espec. it is easy to access and to leave in case you meet someone you don't want to meet in front of the place.
whomer
Mill Loverboy
04-12-10, 18:08
Which is a good escort agency and how much should be the ideal amount to pay for 2 hrs.
JackTheLad2
04-13-10, 10:55
I had an interesting conversation with my long a long term fillipina "friend" the other day. Business is not so good for them these days and she works out of Galaxy which I know from my own experience is not busy at all.
The LE are doing checks in the bars and noting the girls details - punters have no need to worry as they are not interested in them.
When a girl exits - normally Macau or Shenzhen after her 14 day visa runs out - on their return, if their name comes up at immigration as having been noted by LE, then they only get another 2/3 days if they are lucky and then have to go back home.
The end result is that it is probably not worth their while coming to HK for just 14 days. The plus side for us punters is that it will mainly be "fresh" girls that come to HK One way round this that is used is for the girls to get another passport back home in a different name - I know my friend and others have done this but I have told her it is risky and she would not want to be caught at immigration - but they do it. It is also expensive for them. The problem is that if their bags etc are checked and they have their "real" identity details somewhere in their "old" name but a passport in a different name, they have a bit of explaining to do. I hope it is not the end of seeing my "regulars" - I will miss some of them!
Johnny Rocket
04-13-10, 18:51
I had an interesting conversation with my long a long term fillipina "friend" the other day. Business is not so good for them these days and she works out of Galaxy which I know from my own experience is not busy at all.
The LE are doing checks in the bars and noting the girls details - punters have no need to worry as they are not interested in them.
When a girl exits - normally Macau or Shenzhen after her 14 day visa runs out - on their return, if their name comes up at immigration as having been noted by LE, then they only get another 2/3 days if they are lucky and then have to go back home.
The end result is that it is probably not worth their while coming to HK for just 14 days. The plus side for us punters is that it will mainly be "fresh" girls that come to HK One way round this that is used is for the girls to get another passport back home in a different name - I know my friend and others have done this but I have told her it is risky and she would not want to be caught at immigration - but they do it. It is also expensive for them. The problem is that if their bags etc are checked and they have their "real" identity details somewhere in their "old" name but a passport in a different name, they have a bit of explaining to do. I hope it is not the end of seeing my "regulars" - I will miss some of them!
The solution to this problem is easy. Working the Wan Chai bars is public solicitation and is illegal though of course it goes on all the time in full view of LE. 1-4-1 work is legal so they can just do that instead. The Flippers will have to take their place along with all the other girls, see more men per day and charge less. Would be a change for the better IMHO.
Or they can work CL, many of them already do.
Or they can return to the YS places, 10 years ago every YS had Flippers or what they called "Malays" (often Thais or Vietnamese) on offer and they were cheaper than the Chinese! Of course YS places aren't legal but they have prospered in MK and they aren't going away.
Fast Eddie 48
04-14-10, 00:04
I think if you guys want some Flipper actions just go to PI , go to Angeles city for a week you can get ST for 25 USD and all nighter for 45 USD and hotel is cheap ,you can get cheap flight for 150 usd and is a short 1 hr 40min flight ,you can skip Manila way too expensive there cost for everything is double there .
Fast eddie 48
Member #4271
04-14-10, 01:32
I had an interesting conversation with my long a long term fillipina "friend" the other day. Business is not so good for them these days and she works out of Galaxy which I know from my own experience is not busy at all.
The LE are doing checks in the bars and noting the girls details - punters have no need to worry as they are not interested in them.
When a girl exits - normally Macau or Shenzhen after her 14 day visa runs out - on their return, if their name comes up at immigration as having been noted by LE, then they only get another 2/3 days if they are lucky and then have to go back home.
Yeah, Galaxy is never busy is it?
As I am about to leave for HK in less than 48 hours, I'm a bit distressed to hear this. I don't see how the whole thing could disappear as, essentially, there's a whole bunch of bars and clubs in Wanchai that are there simply because of the WGs and their clientele.
It goes beyond the girls; there are a lot of businessmen in the area and I doubt that LE would aim to cut off a big appeal of doing business in HK.
I mean, if Wanchai didn't exist, someone would have to invent it for all the Yanks, Brits, French, and Aussies who hang out there.
The other thing is that as long as HK relies on Indo. and Filipino girls for DHs and nannies, there will be a ready supply of women who get sick of that gig and switch to this gig. I saw a few nannies on Sundays who seemed pretty close to WGs already -- at least on Sundays. They could make the switch to FT for the right reasons I bet.
How are things otherwise Jack? I have a few regulars lined up but am looking forward to getting back to HK!
JackTheLad2
04-14-10, 10:01
Yeah, Galaxy is never busy is it?
How are things otherwise Jack? I have a few regulars lined up but am looking forward to getting back to HK!
I don't think anyone needs to panic or worry just now. What my "friend" told me was her view of what she saw happening with some of her friends. I doubt very much if the bars would even notice a downturn in business. Galaxy is slightly out of the main area and has always been quieter than the others although when I was there last month I found it busier than normal and better quality as well. We found some good looking girls eager to please, and at the normal rates.
Plenty in Neptunes, Amazonia, Escape etc to keep us going for a while!!
Have fun and report as usual to make me jealous.
JackTheLad2
04-14-10, 10:24
I think if you guys want some Flipper actions just go to PI , go to Angeles city for a week you can get ST for 25 USD and all nighter for 45 USD and hotel is cheap ,you can get cheap flight for 150 usd and is a short 1 hr 40min flight ,you can skip Manila way too expensive there cost for everything is double there .
Fast eddie 48
The theory is good but my business takes me to HK. Jetting off for a couple of days to Phil would be easy. What worries me is if something happened to me when I was there - illness, travel problems, pilot strike etc. Don't think I could fabricate a good enough excuse- so no chances taken. Pity, as IMHO the girls from that part of the world are the best.
A true story - 3 mates arranged a golfing holiday in Spain last year. Got to the airport, dumped their golf bags in the left luggage and jetted to Bangkok instead for a week. One took a heart attack and died. Believe me - he was the lucky one. The other 2 had a bit of a job explaining to their wifes. So - no chances for me!
Fast Eddie 48
04-15-10, 04:43
The theory is good but my business takes me to HK. Jetting off for a couple of days to Phil would be easy. What worries me is if something happened to me when I was there. Illness, travel problems, pilot strike etc. Don't think I could fabricate a good enough excuse- so no chances taken. Pity, as IMHO the girls from that part of the world are the best.
A true story. 3 mates arranged a golfing holiday in Spain last year. Got to the airport, dumped their golf bags in the left luggage and jetted to Bangkok instead for a week. One took a heart attack and died. Believe me. He was the lucky one. The other 2 had a bit of a job explaining to their wifes. So. No chances for me!To Jackthelad 2
I think that you worry too much, you can get sick anywhere not just on vacation or business trip, go enjoy life before you die what is on your bucket list.
Fast Eddie 48
The theory is good but my business takes me to HK. Jetting off for a couple of days to Phil would be easy. What worries me is if something happened to me when I was there - illness, travel problems, pilot strike etc. Don't think I could fabricate a good enough excuse- so no chances taken. Pity, as IMHO the girls from that part of the world are the best.
A true story - 3 mates arranged a golfing holiday in Spain last year. Got to the airport, dumped their golf bags in the left luggage and jetted to Bangkok instead for a week. One took a heart attack and died. Believe me - he was the lucky one. The other 2 had a bit of a job explaining to their wifes. So - no chances for me!
Not to mention if your S.O. wondered why you had a PI stamp in your passport... I'm with you Jack, I do biz in HK and China and so I do "biz" in HK and China.
JackTheLad2
04-15-10, 19:21
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]To Jackthelad 2
I think that you worry too much, you can get sick anywhere
/QUOTE]
Yeah - but to get sick in a country you should not even be near in the first place would still be too much to explain!!
Not to mention my "other half" finding a Philippine stamp in my passport!
Maybe I'm too set in my ways - but that's the way I'm staying! We all take enough risks as it is!
Uncle Wayne
04-16-10, 03:20
We all have to cover our tracks. I personally only P4P where I have legitimate reasons (usuallu business) for going. Yes, it can be limiting at times, but it's worth it to keep your little escapades a secret.
In my experience, the fewer lies you tell the lesser chance you have of slipping. It's never fun to end up like Tiger :-P
It's just bigger, easier to access, and easier to navigate as a foreigner. Hong Kong is one of the most expensive cities in the world
One can at least mitigate accommodation costs by spending weekends in HK and weekdays in Macau. If you check wotif, generally HK hotels are cheaper on weekends and the reverse is true for Macau.
Also when in Macau during weekends, there is a lot more punters in the sauna scene. Where as in HK, there are more DH out on the bars in the weekends looking to supplement their income.
So this is probably not needed but I thought I would give a newbie view of Dundas 37, which I visited yesterday. The closest MTR station is Yau Ma Tei, take the Dundas St exit. Now this can get confusing, if U-turn 180 out of the Dundas St. Exit you will see Nathan Road. Turn right on Nathan and then left on Dundas. If you go straight out of the MTR exit you will be on Pitt St. Then can turn left up two blocks then again left on Dundas. You will then have to go across Nathan Road on Dundas. There is a post here with a photo of the Dundas 37 sign, very helpful, use the search. At the sign you enter through a doorway to the left just off the street. Up one floor you will be greeted, seated in a small room and offered a drink. The brought me a line-up of 3 and I chose Mai-T, very cute with nice sized boobs. You pay the 380 then and a further 100 when you go up to the hotel. In the room we showered, BBBJ with one pop, then to the bed for more vigorous BBBJ, rimming, and multi-positions for pop 2. Quick shower then off you go, Mai-T was very cute and had a really nice body with inverted nips and a cute attitude. I can't think of better value in HK so go have a visit! More to come from Macau, Shanghai and HK next week.
We all have to cover our tracks. I personally only P4P where I have legitimate reasons (usuallu business) for going. Yes, it can be limiting at times, but it's worth it to keep your little escapades a secret.
In my experience, the fewer lies you tell the lesser chance you have of slipping. It's never fun to end up like Tiger :-P
spot on! My business takes me primarily to HK and China. There are more than enough opportunities in HK and China... no need to take any "extra" risks... I like to keep things simple.
Awesome Man
04-17-10, 14:24
I shot this photo at 37 Dundas year 2008.
Just turn right at the "360 sign". I'm standing with Nathan Road just behind me.
Member #4271
04-18-10, 00:36
I can't believe I am saying this but I was actually too tired to hit the bars in Wanchai on my first night back in HK a few nights ago.
So I stumbled into a 141 on 70-72 Percival Street.
As I was a bit nervous, and very tired, I settled on the first girl that answered her door. Not as attractive as the pictures, obviously, fake boobs, but friendly enough to get the job done. No English. She gestured for $500HK for what I wanted so that was it.
Not a horrible experience, it was interesting. I can't see how I would give up Wanchai for this but I can see how the thrill of 141 could be addictive as it's like playing some kind of weird shell game. Knock and ye shall receive!
I can't believe I am saying this but I was actually too tired to hit the bars in Wanchai on my first night back in HK a few nights ago.
So I stumbled into a 141 on 70-72 Percival Street.
As I was a bit nervous, and very tired, I settled on the first girl that answered her door. Not as attractive as the pictures, obviously, fake boobs, but friendly enough to get the job done. No English. She gestured for $500HK for what I wanted so that was it.
Not a horrible experience, it was interesting. I can't see how I would give up Wanchai for this but I can see how the thrill of 141 could be addictive as it's like playing some kind of weird shell game. Knock and ye shall receive!
any pics? alot of the Bros over at 141 take pics for their report.
Anything special happening in Hong Kong at the end of May? Hotel prices seem significantly higher than the last time I was there.
Fast Eddie 48
04-19-10, 07:29
Anything special happening in Hong Kong at the end of May? Hotel prices seem significantly higher than the last time I was there.Vijay,
It is summer vacation mid may to mid sep air fare and hotel is in high season,
Hong kong hotel is one of the highest in asia ,there are cheap hostel all over HK for 200 hkd to 400hkd.
Fast Eddie 48
AmericanThief
04-19-10, 15:20
Anything special happening in Hong Kong at the end of May? Hotel prices seem significantly higher than the last time I was there.Buddha's birthday May 21st.
Many Asian taking 3 day weekends.
FunLovingOne
04-20-10, 00:17
Arrived in HKG two hours late at midnight 4/16. Jet lagged and a little pissed (thanks to some guy from NYC I met on connecting flight from Tokyo) checked into Holiday Inn. Quick settle and off to Hari's. Must say Hari's was a bit of a disappointment from a provider perspective. Most were 6-7 with many drunk EU travellers stranded by the ash cloud. Band however was very good......but not what I was there for.....
As bar closed at 2am I strolled Mody/Nathan finding a few interesting prospects but it being my first time to HKG I decided to pass in favor of a little rest.
Move to Hyatt Regency thanks to several brothers here who kindly offered their recommendations. Check out 141 but decide to visit KP instead. MMS very friendly albeit a bit hard to understand for an Angelino (LA resident) was introduced to Jing Jin. This place is pretty cool even at noon. After check in upstairs to "the hotel" for a soapy. On the flip JJ Slid up and down my member while CG (no penetration) I suppose to make sure He was clean. LOL.
Then off to the circular bed to watch the porn movie and ..........
Very responsive to daty. :) Then while in mish I received the "I luv U" comment....nice touch.
I read all the reviews here and forum 141. Many thanks to all you guys who gratefully post reports here.
Will report on my night in Wan Chai with my business friend last night when I recover from Lisa the MSOG wonder after I visit Macau today.
Stay tuned....
Hey guys,
Going to HK later this summer. What's this hub bub I hear about Fenwicks? Where is it? The last two times I think I hit the Wan Chai and picked up some of the club flowers. Curious, might try it out if interesting.
Travel Lucid
04-20-10, 08:42
Anything special happening in Hong Kong at the end of May? Hotel prices seem significantly higher than the last time I was there.It's heading into Japanese "Golden Week"...a kind of Easter break.
Hey guys,
Going to HK later this summer. What's this hub bub I hear about Fenwicks? Where is it? The last two times I think I hit the Wan Chai and picked up some of the club flowers. Curious, might try it out if interesting.
Fenwicks is now called Escape. It runs between Lockhart and Jaffe, best entrance on Jaffe near the cnr of Fenwick & Jaffe.
Escape & Neptune 2 are the amongst best mongering bars in Wan Chai. Neptune 2 is on Jaffe down the road a little from Fenwick. There is a map below that shows the locations of all the Wan Chai bars. Good luck.
http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=108059258134814303228.00045050ff1314fd1820d&ved=0CC8QmwU&sa=X&ei=V1wKS7vxN4qKiwOcvqn0AQ
I hope this is helpful.
FreebieFan
04-21-10, 03:26
The theory is good but my business takes me to HK. Jetting off for a couple of days to Phil would be easy. What worries me is if something happened to me when I was there. Illness, travel problems, pilot strike etc. Don't think I could fabricate a good enough excuse- so no chances taken.
A true story. 3 mates arranged a golfing holiday in Spain last year. Got to the airport, dumped their golf bags in the left luggage and jetted to Bangkok instead for a week. One took a heart attack and died. Believe me. He was the lucky one. The other 2 had a bit of a job explaining to their wifes. So. No chances for me!Theres a myriad of stories of a smiliar nature about guys who got caught in BKK last year due to the airport demonstrations. Stuck in BKK for 7 extra days might seem like bliss. But when you are supposed to return from a business trip and you don't, and can't explian to boss at work or boss at home why not. Your in Deep shit. Some of these guys were comparing excuses to see which was the best, and most plausible. Made for fun reading.
Keen Eye Joe
04-21-10, 09:34
i just returned from another week-long vacation in hong kong. i met up with a 35 year old filipina who works as a domestic helper in taiwan. met her online at a chat website and we became great friends during the next 5 months.
when i mentioned i was going to hk for a vacation, she got permission from her employer to leave for 5 days and meet me. she actually paid for her own airline ticket, which is quite amazing for a pinay. this was her first vacation outside of the philippines, so she was excited about seeing mickey mouse as well as seeing me, haha. but she was very attractive, a lot of fun and a nice person to be with. she appears to be honest and genuine and would probably make a great wife. i'm not going to rule out possibly marrying her someday, but for now i'm content being a bachelor and sowing my "wild oats" for a bit longer.
we spent 4 1/2 days doing the "touristy thing" during the day and the "carnal thing" at night. my god, she had an incredible appetite for sex, and she drained me dry over and over.
but as you know. even if a man is fed fillet mignon each night, he hungers for a hamburger once in a while. so instead of going to mcdonalds, joe heads to the temple street night market area.
i've commented before here at the isg about it being a fertile area for "fun". it certainly is not for everyone. i'm the kind of guy who likes a "fast food" girl. i don't need a lot of communication or foreplay. i just want someone who is cute, dresses sexy, and won't mess around with me or my head. service with a smile, no conversation is required.
i could go to a "141 house" for service that's not a whole lot more expensive than these girls, but i like walking around looking at streetwalkers. i can take hours to find the right one, and i love searching for the girl who possesses the right amount of cuteness and sluttiness.
if you are looking to "bust your nuts", then it's a great place. if you are looking for a "girl friend experience", then don't head there.
for those of you who aren't familiar with the temple street area, it's located in kowloon. get off of the mtr at the jordan station and look for the night market exit (i think it's exit "d"). any hk street map can give you guidance on how to get there.
the market is a great place to buy fun yet crappy stuff that none of us really needs. it's busiest from around 7 pm to 11 pm. but what's interesting is that you won't find any working girls (wg) out during those hours! i'm guessing there must be an arrangement between the police and the pimps that keeps the girls away during the peak market hours so the tourists don't see them. have to keep up the wholesome image of hk for the tourists!
i have found the best times to find wg are between the hours of 2 and 5 pm, and 11 pm to 6 am. yes, 6 am! i went for an early walk in the area and saw at least 12 girls out there working at that late hour.
what was i doing for a walk at that time? joe likes to stay at the kowloon novotel hotel, which is the closest "quality" hotel to the night market area. just exit the hotel, turn right, walk through the underpass that goes under nathan road, and go 2 more blocks and you're there. i paid around $100 us per night for a room, but the normal rate is closer to $130 i think.
there is also the dorsett seaview hotel which is very near to the market as well. i think room rates are around $65 to $80 us, but it's nowhere near as nice as the novotel.
the novotel is perfect for the guy who wants a kowloon hotel convenient to shopping and a reasonable walk from the mtr, and also close to a very fertile pussy hunting area.
here is how you find the girls: exit the mtr at jordan station (i think it's exit d, but look for the exit sign for the night market). once you exit the station, turn right. walk down jordan road for 3 blocks. the first street you get to is parkes, then woosung, then temple. turn right and you will see it is a pedestrian street, no vehicles allowed. the vendors set up shop along a corridor in the middle of the street.
the tourists all walk through the center of the market. but you as a horndog don't want to do this! using jordan road as a reference point, you want to walk up the left side (west side) along the narrow sidewalk between the back of the vendors and the buildings. the girls hang out usually in groups of two or three either on street corners or in the front of the building entrances.
for some reason, girls only hang out on the left side of the street. i'm not sure why none of them are on the right side. maybe the right side is the unlucky side, haha.
the night market extends north along temple street to kansu street, then snakes west to shanghai street and eventually back to temple street at the north side of the tin hau temple. but it's rare to find any wg north of kansu street.
what's interesting is there are many vendors selling sex supplies north of kansu street on the stretch of the market located along shanghai street. great place for finding a pocket pussy, blow up doll, or big dildo, haha.
anyway, you can find girls along the west side of temple street mostly between 2 and 5 pm, and also after 11 pm. but if you are looking for someone between 5 pm and 11 pm, do not despair! all you need to do is move one block east to woosung street. starting at jordan road, head up woosung approximately 4 blocks and you will see a couple of girls standing on the right side of the road at the intersection (i can't find the name of the cross street on the map, but it's the road that heads over to the nathan road underpass and eventually the novotel hotel). later in the night there are a few girls who work on the left side of woosung road, too.
you can also find girls late at night on the right side (east side) of shanghai street between jordan road and kansu street.
so what can you expect from these girls? i've had about 20 of these girls thorough the years, and experiences can vary greatly from girl to girl.
ages range from around 20 to 50 years old. all are mainland chinese girls. none will know more than a few words of english. it's standard for the girl to show her price either by typing it on a cell phone or showing fingers (3 fingers = $300 hk).
if you are a caucasian guy, be prepared that some of the girls won't be interested in going with you. usually it's the younger girls who are resistant to going. not many white guys appear to troll this area, so i think the girls are unsure about us. it's rare for a girl to reach out and initiate contact. what i do is if i see one i like, i smile at her and say "hello" and wait to see if she appears to be receptive. sometimes they are not, but most of the time they will become interested if you are friendly, appear nice, and are clean.
prices can vary greatly from girl to girl. i've found some really cute younger girls who quote $200, and i've had some old hags quote $500. woosung girls always ask for $500 because they tend to be prettier than the temple street girls. i think $200 is the chinese men's rate and $500 is the foreigner's rate. one time at 2 am i was even offered a two for one deal on shanghai street. two girls for $200. it wasn't mindblowing sex, but it was the cheapest threesome i ever had.
it's quite easy to talk a $500 girl down to $400, or $400 to $300. i normally can get a $300 girl down to $250 pretty easily. i don't try to haggle on the $200 deal because i don't want to mess up a bargain!
i never ever pay more than $300 for fun in this area. just be patient and you will find a combination of reasonable good looks along with a cheap price.
once you negotiate the deal, the girl will take you upstairs inside one of the buildings near to where she's standing. taking her to your hotel is not an option, even if you stay at a hotel close to the market.
be prepared for some squalid living conditions inside. the hallways are usually pretty grungy and look like those in an american low rent housing compound. after passing through a couple of locked gated doors you arrive at her room. you will be doing the deed inside of her short term apartment. it's a very small room and usually not very nice. you will not have an opportunity to take a shower. the girl will usually clean herself up by hosing off her privates in a shower or over the toilet.
i was really nervous and scared the first time i followed a girl to her flat, but i'm used to the routine by now. i have never ever encountered a problem, but i do keep my credit cards and valuables and extra cash locked up in my hotel safe. i only take what i need to do the deed.
some girls won't give blow jobs. others do it with a condom. it's rare to find a girl who will blow me bareback, but it is possible. i always bring my own condoms because the girls only have thick ones that don't provide any sensitivity at all.
i don't have "big equipment", but i am amazed at how tight the pussies are of some of the girls i visit. several girls have had tubes of ky jelly and apply it to their vaginal opening before we start the deed.
here's a tip for you guys: i have learned that most of these girls really like having their nipples sucked. i guess foreplay is foreign for these girls, and i've found the service always gets better once i'm able to put them more "in the mood". often i can get a shy resistant girl to kiss or blow me after spending a minute or two licking her nips.
you might be wondering, "joe, aren't you worried about them applying the "date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)" drug on their nipples"? well, i would if i brought a girl to my hotel room. but my thoughts are that the last thing they want is a passed out american in their small flat who will bring the police to her room after he wakes up out in an alley.
another tip: during the "act", start moaning "i love you" a couple of times. most of these girls have heard this phrase and they know it's a term of endearment. some of them will really get into the sex and will say it back to you. trust me, it's a real turn on to hear a chinese girl moan, "i rub you", haha.
i've only had one girl ever try to "upsize" the deal. this was from a $500 girl who i negotiated down to $300, then she wanted an extra $100 in the room for a blow job and to take her top off. joe hates girls who act like used car salesmen.
i have only had one girl outright hint for a tip after completion. it was from a $200 girl, so i gave her an extra $30 and she was fine with it. joe is such a generous guy!
on a side note: for all you cheap assed guys looking for bargain basement pussy, go to this area and look for old dragon women sitting on folding chairs directly in front of the building entrances. these are the pimps for the famous "$100 girls" of the temple market area. i've only used their services twice, and both times the girls were from thailand.
the pimp will quote prices between $100 and $140. be prepared for thai girls with plump stomachs and not so pretty faces. i always keep my little friend covered in whatever i do, but especially with these gals.
I went to check out the 141 in Wan Chai (Queen's Road East 15-17) the other night. Guys, that place is a crap hole IMO! I know that the 141s in Kowloon are indicated to be much better but I just wanted to warn you. FYI, I walked out of the place although I was feeling damn horny.
I went to check out Dundas 37 at around 7 pm. I found it pretty easy to locate. I was shown 2 girls, one at a time, both below 5 in my book. I did not want to push since it was my first time so I took the slightly better looking gal. The mamasan was friendly and helpful enough. The rooms upstairs are OK. The girl I've chosen was probably in her 30's. A bit of a raw skin. Nice tits. Somehow sexy. Shower + BBBJ + decent massage + all positions. Very passionate. The rimming part did not really appeal to me. I don't think you can get a more reliable service for HKD500 but on the other hand I'd give a couple of hundred more for better quality. I'm pretty sure there are more upscale sauna places (as in Shanghai) in HK. Will anyone tell me about alternatives (apart from K-Pressure) or shall I make a day-trip to Macau?
Andre
If you are a Caucasian guy, be prepared that some of the girls won't be interested in going with you. Usually it's the younger girls who are resistant to going. Not many white guys appear to troll this area, so I think the girls are unsure about us. It's rare for a girl to reach out and initiate contact. What I do is if I see one I like, I smile at her and say "hello" and wait to see if she appears to be receptive. Sometimes they are not, but most of the time they will become interested if you are friendly, appear nice, and are clean.Ah ha, that is it! I discovered this last time I visited this area. By you're description of where the girls stand (west side only!), this is exactly what I found. A bunch of young hottie mainland girls Unfortunately I wasn't 100% positive of their profession since the time seemed off (It was your 2-5pm window) and no matter how many times I walked past trying to make eye contact, none returned it. Next time I will dress less like a lost tourist and will be slightly more assertive in making giving a friendly 'hello'. I will say these girls looked hotter than most of the 141 girls; this is what I'd hope they look like unphotoshopped!
Keen Eye Joe
04-22-10, 08:09
Ah ha, that is it! I discovered this last time I visited this area. By you're description of where the girls stand (west side only!), this is exactly what I found. A bunch of young hottie mainland girls Unfortunately I wasn't 100% positive of their profession since the time seemed off (It was your 2-5pm window) and no matter how many times I walked past trying to make eye contact, none returned it. Next time I will dress less like a lost tourist and will be slightly more assertive in making giving a friendly 'hello'. I will say these girls looked hotter than most of the 141 girls; this is what I'd hope they look like unphotoshopped!Hey Vijay,
I know EXACTLY which group of hotties you're talking about. During the afternoon there's a group of 3 to 4 young ones (I'm guessing ages 20 to 25) that stand in front of a doorway that are smoking hot. Juicier than any other girls in the area. Most of the time at least one or two will be dressed in a short minidress with big heels.
Unfortunately that group always ignores me, no matter how interested I appear. What a pity, I'd love a crack at them sometime.
These gals are only there during the afternoon, never in the evening. I guess they get enough afternoon business from horny locals.
Joe Banana
04-22-10, 08:33
It is about time I did a report so here it is.
Went to Wanchai last Sunday and met a little hottie, Grace. My situation means that I can't take a girl back so have to get phone numbers for later use. Grace is a university student in Manila who had a friend recommend that she come to Hong Kong to earn a little extra, she was of course told that she would earn this money by being bought drinks. Well I did buy her one drink but we all know what is expected to earn much more. I met Grace in Escape where the girls get $50 from what you pay for the drink. She had been in HK a week by then so now knew the score and had to earn enough to pay her manager in order to get back home. I've stopped debating with myself if I am perpetuating this trade by going with these girls, enough of them have gone back to Manila to let the rest know what the real deal is.
Anyway I arranged to meet Grace during the day $1000 for short time, two pops. I took her to the Beverley Hotel in Lockhart Rd, $210 for two hours and in my opinion better than the Ming Court.
When I met her Grace had some nice sexy tights and a dress on, but came for the day job in jeans, no problem I was ready for this and once in the room and showered asked her to put on some nice new pantyhose I had brought with me for the purpose. She is 24yrs old, 5ft nothing and 43Kg and looked great in just pantyhose, I got her to prance about on the bed a bit while I watched and got the old boy nice and stiff. I then reached up and ripped a strategic hole in those tights, her pussy was lovely and wet already. What a great fuck! She kept them on after while we chatted for an hour before round two. She was even more pleased to be able to keep the second pair from the pack I had bought, little things please.
If you meet her look after her, there are some great girls out there from the Philippines.
Father Goose
04-23-10, 05:07
Guys
The few webs sites I have seen for HK escorts have really hot girls for pretty reasonable rates, at least at USD conversion rates.
Has anyone used any of these agencies and can help a fellow monger. I will be in HK the week of May 3rd.
Thanjks
"Temple St area"
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I've commented before here at the ISG about it being a fertile area for "fun". It certainly is not for everyone. I'm the kind of guy who likes a "fast food" girl. I don't need a lot of communication or foreplay. I just want someone who is cute, dresses sexy, and won't mess around with me or my head. Service with a smile, no conversation is required.
I could go to a "141 house" for service that's not a whole lot more expensive than these girls, but I like walking around looking at streetwalkers. I can take hours to find the right one, and I love searching for the girl who possesses the right amount of cuteness and sluttiness.
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For those of you who aren't familiar with the Temple Street area, it's located in Kowloon. Get off of the MTR at the Jordan Station and look for the Night Market exit (I think it's exit "D"). Any HK street map can give you guidance on how to get there.
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I have found the best times to find WG are between the hours of 2 and 5 pm, and 11 pm to 6 am. Yes, 6 am! I went for an early walk in the area and saw at least 12 girls out there working at that late hour.
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For some reason, girls only hang out on the left side of the street. I'm not sure why none of them are on the right side. Maybe the right side is the unlucky side, haha.
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Anyway, you can find girls along the west side of Temple Street mostly between 2 and 5 pm, and also after 11 pm. But if you are looking for someone between 5 pm and 11 pm, do not despair! All you need to do is move one block east to Woosung Street. Starting at Jordan Road, head up Woosung approximately 4 blocks and you will see a couple of girls standing on the right side of the road at the intersection (I can't find the name of the cross street on the map, but it's the road that heads over to the Nathan Road underpass and eventually the Novotel Hotel). Later in the night there are a few girls who work on the left side of Woosung Road, too.
You can also find girls late at night on the right side (east side) of Shanghai Street between Jordan Road and Kansu Street.
So what can you expect from these girls? I've had about 20 of these girls thorough the years, and experiences can vary greatly from girl to girl.
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If you are a Caucasian guy, be prepared that some of the girls won't be interested in going with you. Usually it's the younger girls who are resistant to going. Not many white guys appear to troll this area, so I think the girls are unsure about us. It's rare for a girl to reach out and initiate contact. What I do is if I see one I like, I smile at her and say "hello" and wait to see if she appears to be receptive. Sometimes they are not, but most of the time they will become interested if you are friendly, appear nice, and are clean.
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I never ever pay more than $300 for fun in this area. Just be patient and you will find a combination of reasonable good looks along with a cheap price.
Once you negotiate the deal, the girl will take you upstairs inside one of the buildings near to where she's standing. Taking her to your hotel is not an option, even if you stay at a hotel close to the market.
Be prepared for some squalid living conditions inside. The hallways are usually pretty grungy and look like those in an American low rent housing compound. After passing through a couple of locked gated doors you arrive at her room. You will be doing the deed inside of her short term apartment. It's a very small room and usually not very nice. You will not have an opportunity to take a shower. The girl will usually clean herself up by hosing off her privates in a shower or over the toilet.
I was really nervous and scared the first time I followed a girl to her flat, but I'm used to the routine by now. I have never ever encountered a problem, but I do keep my credit cards and valuables and extra cash locked up in my hotel safe. I only take what I need to do the deed.
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Here's a tip for you guys: I have learned that most of these girls really like having their nipples sucked. I guess foreplay is foreign for these girls, and I've found the service always gets better once I'm able to put them more "in the mood". Often I can get a shy resistant girl to kiss or blow me after spending a minute or two licking her nips.
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Another tip: During the "act", start moaning "I Love You" a couple of times. Most of these girls have heard this phrase and they know it's a term of endearment. Some of them will really get into the sex and will say it back to you. Trust me, it's a real turn on to hear a Chinese girl moan, "I Rub You", haha.
I've only had one girl ever try to "upsize" the deal. This was from a $500 girl who I negotiated down to $300, then she wanted an extra $100 in the room for a blow job and to take her top off. Joe hates girls who act like used car salesmen.
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KEJ: great informative report.
I have only trawled once, and had a number of rejects on the night, in spite of my passable (I feel) Mandarin speaking skills.
So .. with balls blue, I went back to my hotel, and left HK the next day.
Didn't realise that there was a street scene in the afternoon.
Quick question: in your experience (and if you can easily tell), what would the proportion of Mandarin (pu tong hua) speakers be, among the girls? Perhaps most (many, all?) of them are from Quandong province (the hinterland of HK) and thus would be Cantonese speakers?
Any advice, greatly appreciated, in readiness for next time.
Cheers.
P13.
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