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Tiger 888
09-28-07, 14:18
Has anyone been in Spicy fingers yet? Its the newly opened Wan Chai Venue owned by the Sticky Fingers people. Opposite Joe Bananas on Jaffe Rd. (Used to be Rick's Cafe a decade ago)

R The Man
09-29-07, 03:08
Just been to 37 Dundas, and what an experience! Went at 11 pm, and it was easy to find with the directions in the Maps forum and this post in reports of distinction: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=553684&postcount=4203

Up the stairs to the first floor and the mamasan was just as friendly as described. Led into a darkly lit but comfortable room with porn playing on a TV. Mamasan asked if I was interested in girls - duh? I'm Asian but only speak English, and it was no problem communicating with her. I got my choice of drink and she came back a few minutes later with just two girls. Both were cute, not stunning (7.5's I'd say, but cuter than most of the girls I saw at Fenwicks the other night), and I played eenie-minee-moe and chose the shorter one, Li An or something was her name. Paid the $490 to the mamasan and Li An took my hand and led me away.

After choosing, she was a bit shy, which worried me somewhat, but she started to LFK me, and we headed up the stairs to the 4th floor. The room she chose was clean and the bed looked comfy. There we kissed some more, and did the shower thing. She had a terrific body...just a nice handful of tits, that great 19-20 year old toned body with a hint of baby fat, nice ass.

And she gave a wonderful service in the shower and then in bed. Lots of kissing, rubbing her soapy body against mine, tender attention to all the sensitive bits of my body. All the acronyms available. Not quite total GFE service (a few kinda fake moans, and we couldn't really talk much) but really she gave fantastic head with rimming, changed positions easily, great DFK, and I finished with an explosive CIM. Cleaned up with another shower and then off on my way, with a smiling mamasan checking up as I was leaving to make sure I was satisfied.

The only problem I encountered was making my way back to the MTR on my wobbly legs after such a great lay.

This blew my Fenwicks experience out of the water. The girl was cuter, much more attentive and experienced, and the whole thing took an hour and half round trip from my hotel. If you are interested in sex and not the girlfriend nonsense, 37 Dundas is a terrific place and one of the best of my hobbying experiences. Especially recommended for visitors.

Enjoy, R.

Undercoverh
09-29-07, 05:52
Just been to 37 Dundas, and what an experience! Went at 11 pm, and it was easy to find with the directions in the Maps forum and this post in reports of distinction: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=553684&postcount=4203

Up the stairs to the first floor and the mamasan was just as friendly as described. Led into a darkly lit but comfortable room with porn playing on a TV. Mamasan asked if I was interested in girls - duh? I'm Asian but only speak English, and it was no problem communicating with her. I got my choice of drink and she came back a few minutes later with just two girls. Both were cute, not stunning (7.5's I'd say, but cuter than most of the girls I saw at Fenwicks the other night), and I played eenie-minee-moe and chose the shorter one, Li An or something was her name. Paid the $490 to the mamasan and Li An took my hand and led me away.

After choosing, she was a bit shy, which worried me somewhat, but she started to LFK me, and we headed up the stairs to the 4th floor. The room she chose was clean and the bed looked comfy. There we kissed some more, and did the shower thing. She had a terrific body...just a nice handful of tits, that great 19-20 year old toned body with a hint of baby fat, nice ass.

And she gave a wonderful service in the shower and then in bed. Lots of kissing, rubbing her soapy body against mine, tender attention to all the sensitive bits of my body. All the acronyms available. Not quite total GFE service (a few kinda fake moans, and we couldn't really talk much) but really she gave fantastic head with rimming, changed positions easily, great DFK, and I finished with an explosive CIM. Cleaned up with another shower and then off on my way, with a smiling mamasan checking up as I was leaving to make sure I was satisfied.

The only problem I encountered was making my way back to the MTR on my wobbly legs after such a great lay.

This blew my Fenwicks experience out of the water. The girl was cuter, much more attentive and experienced, and the whole thing took an hour and half round trip from my hotel. If you are interested in sex and not the girlfriend nonsense, 37 Dundas is a terrific place and one of the best of my hobbying experiences. Especially recommended for visitors.

Enjoy, R.

Great report and good points, which is 37 Dundas blows Fenwicks and bars like it out of the water (and other places like it in Mong Kok)--I have been saying this for years. To each their own, I guess some guys like the hunt and paying way overpriced prices for sex at HK island bars. I know guys will flame me for this but paying 1,000, 1,500 or more for Thai and Flip girls at HK island bars is insane. Especially when these same girls cost next to nothing if you had sex with them in their own country. Mong Kok has flip and Thai girls at YS for around 300.

I guess I am pissed off (just kidding, I am not really) because sex was cheap in HK island bars years ago (ok, many years ago). That's right, at HK island bars these girls would charge 300, 500 tops. But, then came the guys who started bidding up the prices, giving too big of tips, and the girls quickly figured out that the guys on sex vacation had money to burn. They asked higher and higher prices and guys paid it. That's when I stopped going to the HK island side for sex.

It is really starting to get out of control. When I was taking an evening walk in the Tsim Sha Tsui area, a street walker offered her services for HK$800, I told her sorry, I am not a tourist and I live in HK. She smiled and said, ok how about HK$400. This is a true story that proves my point.

The reason I bring this up is because PLEASE don't tip the girls at 37 Dundas, they do not expect it and they get well paid for what they do. By giving a tip (some guys I know have given these girls 100, 200, or more--yikes), will drive up prices at 37 Dundas. Let's keep 37 Dundas pure and free from the HK island inflation virus. : - )

R The Man
09-29-07, 06:48
Thanks...I wanted to tip because the service was so good, but resisted because of respect for the locals like you...the research in these forums gives you a good idea of prices and a good visitor should respect those.

R.


Great report and good points, which is 37 Dundas blows Fenwicks and bars like it out of the water (and other places like it in Mong Kok)--I have been saying this for years. To each their own, I guess some guys like the hunt and paying way overpriced prices for sex at HK island bars. I know guys will flame me for this but paying 1,000, 1,500 or more for Thai and Flip girls at HK island bars is insane. Especially when these same girls cost next to nothing if you had sex with them in their own country. Mong Kok has flip and Thai girls at YS for around 300.

I guess I am pissed off (just kidding, I am not really) because sex was cheap in HK island bars years ago (ok, many years ago). That's right, at HK island bars these girls would charge 300, 500 tops. But, then came the guys who started bidding up the prices, giving too big of tips, and the girls quickly figured out that the guys on sex vacation had money to burn. They asked higher and higher prices and guys paid it. That's when I stopped going to the HK island side for sex.

It is really starting to get out of control. When I was taking an evening walk in the Tsim Sha Tsui area, a street walker offered her services for HK$800, I told her sorry, I am not a tourist and I live in HK. She smiled and said, ok how about HK$400. This is a true story that proves my point.

The reason I bring this up is because PLEASE don't tip the girls at 37 Dundas, they do not expect it and they get well paid for what they do. By giving a tip (some guys I know have given these girls 100, 200, or more--yikes), will drive up prices at 37 Dundas. Let's keep 37 Dundas pure and free from the HK island inflation virus. : - )

Autumn Lover
10-01-07, 03:13
This place is located on the west side of Nathan Rd, just below TST Sauna. I was actually heading for the latter place, but got waylaid into KK Sauna. That is obviously why they sited the place there, as I can't think of any other way they might attract clientele. The place is dirty, the girls the most unattractive I have ever seen in such a place, and some of the most unattractive P4P girls in my mongering experience. Old, overweight and very far from good-looking. The Chinese girls were a complete loss, and I was stuck with a 5 from Thailand. Service was just about average. Cost was $800. I felt so bad in the place I tried to opt for a hj, but was told the price was the same.

There is an adjoining bar, which I was told had topless girls. Who knows? Who cares?

I definitely will not go there again. One of my worst experiences ever.

AL

Hk Dog
10-01-07, 05:15
Both were cute, not stunning (7.5's I'd say, but cuter than most of the girls I saw at Fenwicks the other night), .


But you don't go to Fenwicks to pick up 'most of the girls'. The object is to go after the girls that are remaining once you ignore 'most of the girls'. That subset is going to be far better quality than the stuff you find in Mongkok.

And I have experienced the MKK scene many a time. I for one am only into it if I want a wham bam experience. I'd much rather take a girl back to my place and enjoy myself in the comfort on my home. And also with a girl I know will be far more attractive than a MKK working girl.

Jayson420
10-01-07, 07:02
Ok I finally have some time to write up my experience from last Sunday.

First of all I did use the Wanchai Discos.jpg located under the map section. I printed it out and and folded it up into my back pocket. Very fucking useful.

OK I landed in HK at early Sunday AM. I checked into my TST hotel. And did a TST walk around. Around 9am I started calling some 141 girls. No answers from my top 10 list. Damn. Went and ate breakfast. At 10am I called again and got down to #4 on my list. Michelle. You can see her at sex 141.com website. She is hotel reservation in TST. You can also see my write up there in the forums. Had her delivered to my hotel at noon. $800 incl. Tip for a nice time in my room. She was there a little over an hour. Hot body and I snapped some of my own pics.

Then at 2 I went to Wanchai. Now remember this is really my first time in HK mongering. So all this is written in noob format. First up was Lagunas. I got there around 3pm and was told this place was the busiest early on Sunday. I grabbed a corona and took a stroll around. There were tons of girls in there dancing. Most of the them were phili and looked like they were dancing on their days off. Most in groups of 5 to 8 girls dancing in circles. And most of their bodies and faces were (4-5s and I am being kind). You can tell there was the WG in there and some were upwards of 6s. But nothing I wanted to think about. Although it had been 2 hours since my first pop and I was on the prowl.

Left Lagunas and headed to Jafee road with map in hand. Lots of girls walking around. And it was raining out. By Dusk til dawn. Closed, then by Joe bananas, it was open but didn't seem like anyone was in there. Then I finally came to Neptunes. Could see it was coming up based on my map, then saw the huge neon sign hanging across the road that said NEPTUNES. Went down the stairs into Neptunes. About 15 girls dancing. Nothing good. I sat down got a Corona. And watched the dancing a bit. A girl came by and smiled at me and said Hi. (I had been here 2 mins maybe). I smiled but then turned around to bar. So she walked off. Then after perusing the dance floor and not seeing anything I turned back around to where she had gone and sat and gave her a big smile. She was out of her barstool and at my side faster then a fly on shit. She spread my legs and stood in between them. Face about a 6. Body a 7. Very short, no tits and great ass from the phili. We made small talk. She wanted a margarita really bad. LOL. So I bought us 2. Now remember this is my first time to any place like this. And its 4:30 PM by now. So its early. 2 margaritas are served and its 138 HKD. WOW. So she starts hugging up on me. I start grabbing her ass. With both hands. Fucking nice ass. And I am grabbing under her small skirt on bare ass. And its fucking nice. But her face is soso and she has NO tits. She slams the drink before I can blink. And one thing that is funny is the waitress that is standing next to us slips money into her back pocket but has to push my hand out of the way to slide it in. I know they get paid for the drinks but this was damn funny. Immediate commision. So I ask her if she wants to have some fun. She asks ST or LT. Now I had read about ST and LT and know the terms but she quoted ST or LT. Remember I am noob. But it was funny. So I say ST. She says how much. And I ask her if she wants me to set the price. She says yes. I say 500 HKD. She says 1k. I say 500. She says 750. I tell her 500 and we have to go to TST so I would give her 100 to get back. And I told her it would be good deal because she would be back in an hour or so aroun 6pm when things picked up. So she goes and talks to mamasan on other side of bar. She comes back and says 700. I say no 500 + taxi and thats it. She leaves again and comes back and says 500 but we have to go to ST hotel near by. How much is that. She say 188. Well fuck thats 700 again. I say no. 500. She grabs me and kisses me and is begging. I look at mamasan and give her a shoulder shrug. Mamasan is blowing kisses and winking. I wave byebye and get up and leave. As I get to the door there is a big fucking phili guy blocking the door with this cart and he say Non-member price. 500HKD. And puts to the sign on the cart. I say huh. I am leaving not coming in. He says exit fee. I am like WTF. Exit Fee? So I start laughing and tell him thats funny and start to walk out and seriously blocks me and says pay the 500. I am like dude, WTF. I aint paying shit. And I was planning on coming back in a bit for a chick but if you treat me like this I aint never coming back. He then starts laughing and says he is joking and lets me out. I am a young white guy by myself here early on Sunday afternoon. I am not sure if he was joking or not. But I got out and didn't pay shit. Even though he was quoting the fucking fake entrance fees. Bastard.

I left Neptunes and went to Fenwicks. Band was playing and it was about 5pm. As I got in there not one person was there. The bartender was trying to get me to order a drink and the band was welcoming me. I asked when people started showing up and she said 8 or 9. Byebye.

Went across street with map in hand to Dreams. Went downstairs and lots of chicks dancing. Lots. Had a beer there and scoped out the action. Saw a hot asian chick. Wanted to dance with her but she was acting snobby. So I just scoped floor. Saw a fellow white monger in there. We were only two guys. Went and talked to him. See how he was faring today. Soso. We got a drink and chatted abit more. Then we went to floor and danced a bit. Tons of pushy chicks here. Grabbing and shit. We were only here for about 20 mins. Then we left adn went to Makati as he said he was there earlier and it was nice. Went upstairs and once inside on the way to the bar I saw this HOT chick in this tight pink shirt dancing. She was eyeing me down. Now there were tons of fucking people in here and lots of both guys and girls dancing. I think mostly indonesian chicks here. I get a drink and stand at edge of dancefloor. This pink shirt chick is dancing away and I am staring. Then this other guy walks up and tries to grab her for a dance and she pushes him away hard. Like he has the plague. HMMM, not sure whats going on here. So I stand there drinking and just when I am finishing she turns to me and winks. Two words. Fuck. Yeah.

I run to the floor and instantly start grinding on her hard. She has me all worked up in minutes. This ***** is hot and has long shiny hair and is whipping it alll around. We dance for about 30 minutes and I ask her if I can get her a drink. She says not yet. HMMMMM. We dance for a bit more, then I need some water. So I pull her off to the bar. I ask her what she wants and she gets OJ. I start talking to her. She is from Indo. She is so fucking cute and a tight body. After we talked a bit it was about 7:30 and she says she has to go. HMMMMM. I say ok, lets go. So we are walking outside and she needs to catch the bus. After talking a bit more she ends up being a maid working in Kowloon city. Has lived in HK for 3 years. And has to be home by 8. I aint letting this one get away. I ride the bus home with her and drop her off at her house and set up a date. She has off Wednesday for moon festival. Great its my last day in town. She shows up at my hotel Wednesday morning early. And we spend the whole day in bed. Until 730 ish when she has to get home. Damn. I know I wanted a freebie. But shit this one is awesome.

Anyways, just thought I would share the experience.

I also did some more 141 during my stay. I will try and write up in a bit. Hope you guys didn't find I rambled too much.

Peace!

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Thor93
10-01-07, 12:46
But you don't go to Fenwicks to pick up 'most of the girls'. The object is to go after the girls that are remaining once you ignore 'most of the girls'. That subset is going to be far better quality than the stuff you find in Mongkok.

And I have experienced the MKK scene many a time. I for one am only into it if I want a wham bam experience. I'd much rather take a girl back to my place and enjoy myself in the comfort on my home. And also with a girl I know will be far more attractive than a MKK working girl.

You take the words out of my mouth. There are times you don't have time, don't want to drink, and just want a quick and dirty session.

But on the other hand, when you can pull a diamond out of a place like Fenwicks and set yourself up for more than a brief one hour session, well that is what mongering is all about. Of course not everyone wants to go for that girl friend type experience. We do pay them to leave after all.

Videlec
10-01-07, 18:49
I also do not recomend this sauna. I went there 3 or 4 of times and and each time was worse then before.

last time the girl was pushing me for extras and anything on offer was 200HKD. Next door a guy was negotiating a HJ and was being pushed for FS. (...was it you??) I was offered to watch. For 200HKD of course.

In the end i just walked off paying 468hkd.

I had much nicer experience in the sauna above.


This place is located on the west side of Nathan Rd, just below TST Sauna. I was actually heading for the latter place, but got waylaid into KK Sauna. That is obviously why they sited the place there, as I can't think of any other way they might attract clientele. The place is dirty, the girls the most unattractive I have ever seen in such a place, and some of the most unattractive P4P girls in my mongering experience. Old, overweight and very far from good-looking. The Chinese girls were a complete loss, and I was stuck with a 5 from Thailand. Service was just about average. Cost was $800. I felt so bad in the place I tried to opt for a hj, but was told the price was the same.

There is an adjoining bar, which I was told had topless girls. Who knows? Who cares?

I definitely will not go there again. One of my worst experiences ever.

AL

Undercoverh
10-02-07, 02:49
as with anything in life, 141 girls will lie about their information they post on 141 websites. case-in-point, on s_x141 website, a girl goes by the name of "magic bed & p_ssy." her listed price is $100 and her listed age is 26. in past, she has gone by different names and she sales herself as do any type of sex girl--i mean anything, ([CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) in mouth, anal with toys, sex show, etc).

with not much to do one evening and wanting to see a good sex show, i decided to pay her a visit. well, when she opened the door (with no cloths on) i could tell she was not 26. she took me by the arm and pulled me in. hum, i said, ok, let's give this a try. i asked her what do i get for 100, she said hj. i told her i could do that myself for free. she said i could have the works for 300. she stated this included anal, sex, bj, a sex show (which consisted of putting things up her p_ussy).

well, to make a long story short, after the poor anal, sex show, and a quick jam of toys of her p_ssy, and a rushed bj, we started talking. she told me how she was married to a hong kong guy and she sold sex to help pay the bills, had an operation, etc., etc., ....... ya ya. then she mentioned she was sad because next month she was going to be 41 and this is her life! 41 i said, in your posting you said you are 26. she smiled and said she has to compete with younger women so she lowers her price and lie about her age. oh well.

before i left, she offered to tell me her complete life story for 100 more. of course, i had no interest. take my word for it, she is a waste of time and money.

Joe Banana
10-02-07, 16:58
Good report Jayson. I guess you were pushing the deal too hard and the bouncer decided to have a laugh with you. He was probably Nepali by the way. It sounds like you had a good introduction to the Wanch, good luck to you. I'm looking forward to next Sunday as I've not been free at the weekend for a while. Hope to find a hot Indo, I too got a feebie from New Makati a while ago and they can be awesome!

Poonjas
10-03-07, 15:25
Hey all,

I am heading to HongKong / Macau at the end of the year - got 4 nights in total. Was planning on staying 2 nights at Macau and 2 nights in HK.

Which is the better place to stay - both entertainment clubs/bars and women?
Accomondation has not been arranged yet but its in the plans at the moment
This will be the first time heading there, so any advice would be great !

Cheers!

Johnny Rocket
10-05-07, 18:51
Poonjas,

First, RTF (read the forum) and your questions will be answered.

Long story short: HK has more diverse and usually cheaper (but also some more expensive) mongering options. Some people say Macau's girls are hotter. I think they're about the same.

As far as accommodations, both HK and Macau have super-expensive luxury hotels and cheap shyteholes. It depends on how much you want to spend and what kind of services you like. Also, Macau has gambling.

If you don't like one or the other, they are a 1-hour ferry ride apart so you can remain flexible. After reading the forum, feel free to ask specific questions which are more likely to be answered.

Welcome to our fair city. Have fun and good luck.
Johnny Rocket

SidTheSexist
10-05-07, 22:30
Just a quick one guys, dont like to beat around.

Normal bars - FUCKING EXPENSIVE!!! 50HKD/Pint!! WTF?!?!!??! (coming from china ;) )

Titty Bars - Found one fun one from the lot of them, Kings Club. 25HKD for a beer and all Thai birds. Nice!!! Rest of them are full of shit girls and arsehole Honky Mamas!!

Flippers - first night, took 2 birds at once. Total GFE, LT, big tits, ugly faces (dont care), and settled for 750HKD each in the morning!!!!
second night, beautiful girl but didnt have any condoms so only BBBJ & Hj. LT with 2nd pop in the morning. paid 1000HKD!!!!!

3rd Night - Grabbed a Kenyan girl from Fenwicks. 1000HKD all up. BBBj, FS, pretty much every thing else as well.

To conclude, great time but Hong Kong is very fucking expensive. Carnegies, 6-7pm, 25HKD/pint stella, carlsberg, etc. best deal in town!!!

Sid

PS, thanks to the guys who PMd

Johnny Rocket
10-06-07, 05:18
Hi Guys,

I saw 1-6-1 girl "Dream" who is in 3/F A, 6 Mercer St Sheung Wan. I chose her because she's decent looking but also because of her cute little tuft of pubic hair. I don't like shaved or trimmed so much but I love that little Chinese muff you sometimes see which doesn't cover the whole mound. Too cute!

Anyway, she was sweet and talkative, and allowed FK but not really DFK. I did my usual routine. One good thing, when she moved to roll on the condom for CBJ I asked for BBBJ. At first she was hesitant but she went ahead and did it, and did it pretty well. Then 69, DATY, then on to fucking in several positions. She loved it and ate it up. I noticed that she is one of the few women who can come from intercourse. The same contractions I felt when I DATY, I could feel once in a while when plowing her doggy style. So that was interesting.

Pretty nice experience. Worth the 380.

And she had a nice stack of towels. It used to be that 1-4-1s all had stack of towels and you could use a different one for the post-coital shower. But lately I've been to a few that not only were not adequately stocked with towels, the ones they did have were small, once only hand towels! How can I dry off with that once, let alone twice? WTF? Anyway.

Mr Norty
10-06-07, 06:40
Has anyone been in Spicy fingers yet? Its the newly opened Wan Chai Venue owned by the Sticky Fingers people. Opposite Joe Bananas on Jaffe Rd. (Used to be Rick's Cafe a decade ago)Was in Spicey Fingers in Wednesday Night at around 3am I think. Not sure what deal is there (i.e Commission Drinks). Band is rather good and DJ is not bad also.

The place was not very crowed at this time.

Islington1969
10-06-07, 10:32
Guys,

I will travel in November for 5 days and for the very first time to Hongkong. A question to the experts, what would you recommend: a hotel in HK Island or Kowloon. I like the hotel being close to the girlie bars or pick-up places and am still not sure - even after reading some reports - which location is better to enjoy my short stay to the best.

And redcommendations welcome. Heavily appreciated ...

G

Worm
10-06-07, 10:57
I have visited Hong Kong many times this last year, and it is perhaps the best mongering destination in Asia - if not the world. It may not have the best - Macau probably takes that mark, or the cheapest, but it certainly has great variety at a reasonable cost.

I wll summarize my experiences at the various options I have tried.

Hotels

I have stayed in a number of five stars, and all were girl friendly. I have been tailgated (girl wandering the halls follows you right into your room) several times at the Island Shangri La), and have tried calling escort services. Escort services are a ripoff in Hong Kong.

141s

This is the only city I know of that has an online guide like ******. Most of these girls rent tiny apartments from the underworld, and provide FS for $300 - 500. My favorite building is the Fuji Building on Lockhart a few blocks east of Wanchai. For these girls you just show up. Take the elevator to the top and walk down, checking out each floor and the girls therein. Knock on the door and they will open it to give you a look - like what you see go in, take a shower and get to business. Don't like it, just keep going. Routine is pretty much the same, shower together, CBJ, FS. Once in a blue moon a BBBJ. Wide variety of girl quality - some very good, some a bit shopworn. Photo's on 141 are authentic, but the photographer is very talented - I think he once shot my wife and make her look fuckable. The 141 buildings are quite safe. They are controlled by the underworld, and they don't shit where they eat.

I generally prefer the Hotel Reservation Girls who price out higher. They tend to be of much higher quality, sometimes playmate quality. Most of them are in hotels in Tsim Tsa Tsui, or Causeway Bay, although the hotels are often one more subway stop from the destination where they are listed. You call the number, they almost always have someone on the other side who speaks english - just hold on a minute if you can't communicate and someone will come on. They tell you the hotel, you go there and call again and they tell you the room number. The hotels are all nice, four star hotels, and there seem a few that they use extensively. The experience is about the same as a 141, not quite as rushed, sometimes a bit more GFE - depends on the girl.

Hotel girls come in several varieties. Most are Chinese mainland girls and the charge is 700 - 900. They usually speak little or no english. Chinese girls that cost over $1000 are usually local girls - who command this price because they speak Cantonese and the local guys are hoping for a LTR. Skip the local girls. There are also Koreans, who tend to cost about $1,000, and usually speak some English and can be very good value. There are often a few white girls - usually Russian or some other Eastern European who cost $800 - 1000. The high end are Japanese girls. They cost as much as $1,500, and many are absolutely stunning. The photography does enhance reality a bit, but they may be some of the most beautiful women you will ever sleep with. However, many seem highly clinical in the process, and leave me feeling a bit unsatisfied. Modern medical science has also enhanced these girls to the point where they do not feel natural. All in all, the Japanese girls are a worthwhile one time experience.

37 Dundas

This is basically a KTV that operates in conjunction with a short term hotel upstairs to function as a basic *****house. Price is low - under $500 if I recall correctly. Girls are typical of 141s, but quite well trained and enthusiastic. I always end up with a BBBJ and usually have to slow then down since they seem interested in following that up with BBFS. Good if you are in the neighborhood, but you get the feeling these girls have a lot of work.

Wanchai Bars

When I am in the mood for a little conversation with my sex, the Wanchai bars are the best option. The two places I have gone are Fenwicks and Neptune II. I like Neptune a bit better because it is smaller, and the closer proximity to the girls as you wander through makes engaging and disengaging from negotiations easier. Neither place charges foreigners admission. The places are full of girls after about 9 pm. They seem to sort out by nationality - one corner will be Thai, another Filipino, another white girls and perhaps Indonesians and Vietnamese. Nearly all the girls speak english. The quality is quite variable, but there often are some real stunners in there. Prices are higher than the other options, but negotiable. I generally spend about $1000. Because I usually stay with a friend in Hong Kong, I usually take the girls to one of the nearby love hotels which charge me another $160 for a room for an hour or so. I have had some excellent GFEs with these girls - always a BBBJ and usually an offer, declined, for BBFS.


Hong Kong, lots of choices. Perhaps the best place to get laid in the world.

Ralph Kramden
10-06-07, 14:02
Worm

Outstanding report, thank you. You provided more useful information in one report than the accumulated total of all the reports I have read in the last 2 or 3 years. And I RTFF almost every day.

Undercoverh
10-06-07, 16:30
Just a quick one guys, dont like to beat around.

Normal bars - FUCKING EXPENSIVE!!! 50HKD/Pint!! WTF?!?!!??! (coming from china ;) )

Titty Bars - Found one fun one from the lot of them, Kings Club. 25HKD for a beer and all Thai birds. Nice!!! Rest of them are full of shit girls and arsehole Honky Mamas!!

Flippers - first night, took 2 birds at once. Total GFE, LT, big tits, ugly faces (dont care), and settled for 750HKD each in the morning!!!!
second night, beautiful girl but didnt have any condoms so only BBBJ & Hj. LT with 2nd pop in the morning. paid 1000HKD!!!!!

3rd Night - Grabbed a Kenyan girl from Fenwicks. 1000HKD all up. BBBj, FS, pretty much every thing else as well.

To conclude, great time but Hong Kong is very fucking expensive. Carnegies, 6-7pm, 25HKD/pint stella, carlsberg, etc. best deal in town!!!

Sid

PS, thanks to the guys who PMd


I agree that HK can be very expensive but......this is only on HK island and other tourist areas like Tsim ShaTSui, and Jordan. On average, I pay 350 or less to get laid several times a week from nice looking girls in Yau Ma Tei, Mong Kok, Prince Edward, Sham Shui Po, and Chueng Sha Wan. These are the blue-collar Chinese man area's for sex. I can assure you the locals never pay the tourist prices.

Try staying in the Yau Ma Tei-Mong kok area next time. A good hotel there is YMCA International House at 23 Waterloo Road, phone 2771-9111. It is a nice hotel that is well located near 37 Dundas, and many 141s in the area, and many YS. Best, there is the MRT 5 min. walking distance from the hotel and you can get to many places in HK in a very short time.

Undercoverh
10-06-07, 16:35
www.intlhouse.ymca.org.hk


e:mail, intlhse@ymca.org.hk


The hotel is girl friendly, however, you have to have the girl sign-in when it is late in the night. This is for your protection and there is NO charge.

Undercoverh
10-06-07, 16:43
Also, don't let the name fool you, it is a nice hotel.

Also, very important, when you make a reservation, ask for the newer rooms--it will cost a little more, but it is worth it. When my friend from the U.S. stayed at the hotel last month, he paid $75 a night and he liked it.

Petercal
10-06-07, 17:14
Hotel girls come in several varieties. Most are Chinese mainland girls and the charge is 700. 900. They usually speak little or no english. Chinese girls that cost over $1000 are usually local girls. Who command this price because they speak Cantonese and the local guys are hoping for a LTR. Skip the local girls. There are also Koreans, who tend to cost about $1,000, and usually speak some English and can be very good value. There are often a few white girls. Usually Russian or some other Eastern European who cost $800. 1000. The high end are Japanese girls. They cost as much as $1, 500, and many are absolutely stunning. The photography does enhance reality a bit, but they may be some of the most beautiful women you will ever sleep with. However, many seem highly clinical in the process, and leave me feeling a bit unsatisfied. Modern medical science has also enhanced these girls to the point where they do not feel natural. All in all, the Japanese girls are a worthwhile one time experience. That xxxxxx website employs a very skillful Photoshop person. I once had a girl who had an entire abdomen tattoo (12 inches by 6 inches) photoshopped out of her photos. Be careful if you only see studio pics instead of photos taken in the actual hotel room.

Also, I think it is worthwhile to note that the "Japanese" girls advertised on that website are more likely from somewhere else (like Korea). At least that seems to be the consensus on the Chinese language boards. Of the dozen or so I tried, there was only one that I though could have been Japanese (a dead giveaway is the Korean-language cometics & toiletry). Nonetheless, they are mostly stunners, but YMMV.

MegaPoint
10-07-07, 07:59
Just a quick one guys, dont like to beat around.

Normal bars - FUCKING EXPENSIVE!!! 50HKD/Pint!! WTF?!?!!??! (coming from china ;) )

Titty Bars - Found one fun one from the lot of them, Kings Club. 25HKD for a beer and all Thai birds. Nice!!! Rest of them are full of shit girls and arsehole Honky Mamas!!

To conclude, great time but Hong Kong is very fucking expensive. Carnegies, 6-7pm, 25HKD/pint stella, carlsberg, etc. best deal in town!!!


A bit off-topic, but if they are charging 25 HKD for a pint of anything, then this is close to a loss leader for them during this happy hour. The problem with the price of booze in HK is the very high rate of tax the HK Government collects. Even though the tax on beer and wine (but not spirits) was cut, somewhat, in the last Budget, the suppliers have not really passed these supposed savings onto consumers, and bars have done next to nothing to lower prices. (You should check out the miniscule size of a "glass" of wine in some restaurants: there is also no standard measure of wine and/or spirits in HK, and the institution of one is STRONGLY resisited by the powerful catering lobby.)

This is a rip-off, certainly, but tobacco is the drug of choice for most of the population of HK (read: Chinese) not alcohol, so there is not much incentive or pressure to do anything about it. And that's why the tax on cigarettes continues to be relatively low compared to that on booze. Even though the Government could quite realistically make more money by proportionally reversing the tax (low tax on alcohol, high tax on tobacco) they are too afraid to do it, just as they are chickens$$t about most things.

Even private clubs (which are susidized by member's subscription fees) are typically charging 28-30 HKD a pint for locally brewed Carlsberg. Makes those ladies' drinks seem even more extortionate.

Neuromancer
10-07-07, 19:23
A bit off-topic, but if they are charging 25 HKD for a pint of anything, then this is close to a loss leader for them during this happy hour. The problem with the price of booze in HK is the very high rate of tax the HK Government collects. Even though the tax on beer and wine (but not spirits) was cut, somewhat, in the last Budget, the suppliers have not really passed these supposed savings onto consumers, and bars have done next to nothing to lower prices. (You should check out the miniscule size of a "glass" of wine in some restaurants: there is also no standard measure of wine and/or spirits in HK, and the institution of one is STRONGLY resisited by the powerful catering lobby.)

This is a rip-off, certainly, but tobacco is the drug of choice for most of the population of HK (read: Chinese) not alcohol, so there is not much incentive or pressure to do anything about it. And that's why the tax on cigarettes continues to be relatively low compared to that on booze. Even though the Government could quite realistically make more money by proportionally reversing the tax (low tax on alcohol, high tax on tobacco) they are too afraid to do it, just as they are chickens$$t about most things.

Even private clubs (which are susidized by member's subscription fees) are typically charging 28-30 HKD a pint for locally brewed Carlsberg. Makes those ladies' drinks seem even more extortionate.25HKD for a beer is really not too expensive if you think about it. USD3.50 or so. Even in the states, a beer at a pub is gonna cost more than that, unless you're drinking Pabst or something. Of course, 50HKD for a beer is highway robbery.

Cheapest way to drink in HK is pop on over to the 7-11 and buy a 4-pack. Should run anywhere between 22HKD - 30HKD depending on what brand you prefer. Take it home and drink it there. Alternatively, you can take it to your favorite 141 girl's place and drink with her there (my preferred method of cheap drinking).

SidTheSexist
10-08-07, 09:22
First of all, I didnt mean to complain at the 25HKD/pint, I thought that was a great deal, especially for stella which is 35rmb in China in the cheapest place i know.
Also, Cosmopolitan Hotel was Girl Friendly. There was a guard at a small desk by the elevators but all she had to do was register. No charge, but the girl was real scared in case they pass her P'port number to authorities. I told her it was just to stop her robbing me. The next night, the guard wasnt even there and the two girls we had, got up hassle free.

Did I mention Neptunes II wanted 150HKD for me and my friend to enter? No thanks, despite what ive heard about the place!! And yes, I do realise that locals and regulars were getting in for free, but that was one thing I didnt particularly like about HK; Bouncers on doors!!

Johnny Rocket
10-08-07, 18:42
Sid,

I don't frequent the bars, but you are correct, there is no need to pay cover charges or whatever. HK is not Japan where everything is more difficult and expensive and restricted for the gaijin. However, Hong Kongers will rip you off if they think they have half a chance to do it. Don't give in--there are too many choices here to be taken advantage of. Tell them to go fuck themselves.

Tallman2
10-09-07, 00:45
I had just return from Trip to China, I had a nights stay going and coming from the states.

Arrive Tuesday 9/25 in the morning, went to hotel and got cleaned up, spent the better part of day doing tourist stuff. Onway back to Hotel stop by Sticky Fingers for a beer. Ran into some guys from US, suggested I come back later. Came back around 8 PM, bar was packed with lots of guys and about 15 girls. Most were fairly good looking 5-8's. Unfortunately I was seated at the bar next to the most obnoxious person I had ever met. He insulted everyone and he would not leave. So there was no place to move to so I left.

On way back to Regal Kowloon in the courtyard between it and Grand Staford I was approached by Mamasan who had 5 girls in tow.

I was tired and gave in with out bargaining 800HKD, (sorry I am newbie to this board) and I should know to haggle her down on price but was just to tired. Girl was very nice and I had typical treatment, showwer, massage and almost GFE experience.

Once I got to China, I told my host about this, he warned me not to do this because in HK some girls might call police and claim you attacked them. Is this true? I have read this board and not seen any warnings about this.

On my way back from China, I had overnite in HK again, this time however I did not get back to hotel until 12:30 1:00 AM in morning. I was not going out. However next to evelator in regal kowlloon is coffee shop. As I walk to elevator from front desk, I was met by a nice smile from Susan. I could not resist. Another 800HKD and repeat of Tuesday nights activities

As I mentioned I am newbie and only get to HK once or twice a year. This board is valuable resource, thanks to all the frequent contributors.

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Hk Dog
10-09-07, 01:54
Did I mention Neptunes II wanted 150HKD for me and my friend to enter? No thanks, despite what ive heard about the place!! And yes, I do realise that locals and regulars were getting in for free, but that was one thing I didnt particularly like about HK; Bouncers on doors!!


Live here long enough and you learn you can't respect and appreciate the bouncers enough. I, for one, am extremely happy with them. They are very efficient of getting drunk rude dickheads out of the clubs quickly and breaking up cock fights. Also they are generally nice guys to talk to.

SidTheSexist
10-09-07, 06:49
Live here long enough and you learn you can't respect and appreciate the bouncers enough. I, for one, am extremely happy with them. They are very efficient of getting drunk rude dickheads out of the clubs quickly and breaking up cock fights. Also they are generally nice guys to talk to.Well living in China long enough has obviously made me forget about the sort of chaff I would associate with the high streets of England. We very rarely see any fights up here in the bars. Admitedly though, it is clear that when you have so many WGs in one place, theres always going to be trouble whether it be Male/Male, Male/Fem or even Fem/Fem.
Anyway, I still dont like bouncers on doors. Nothing wrong with having security staff discreetly watching the crowds, but if they expect me to pay 10 GBP to enter a night club in asia, I dont expect any prejudices from a $2 HK Hardman!
Peace:D
Sid

Hk Dog
10-09-07, 07:13
Anyway, I still dont like bouncers on doors. Nothing wrong with having security staff discreetly watching the crowds, but if they expect me to pay 10 GBP to enter a night club in asia, I dont expect any prejudices from a $2 HK Hardman!
Peace:D
Sid

Bouncers also serve another function. Ever notice there aren't many Mainland Chinese girls in Neptune/Fenwicks? Suppossedly the local police have some sort of agreement to keep them out. They don't mind non-chinese girls.
Also when its busy they keep the fuglies out also.

It would be too tough to let anyone into Neptunes/Fenwicks and just wait for something to happen and then have the bouncers deal with it. The bouncers are at the door to limit potential problems on the male front and to satisfy local triad/police understandings on the women front.

Rick Hunter
10-09-07, 10:53
The bouncers do a good job of keeping things under control and most of them are pretty good guys. I feel sorry for them when the Navy is in town, they really earn their money then.

As for cover it should not be a problem just walk right in past the bouncers. If you are a western guy you should have no problem unless you have some obvious issue like you are absolutely hammered or you did something really stupid in the bar before.


Bouncers also serve another function. Ever notice there aren't many Mainland Chinese girls in Neptune/Fenwicks? Suppossedly the local police have some sort of agreement to keep them out. They don't mind non-chinese girls.
Also when its busy they keep the fuglies out also.

It would be too tough to let anyone into Neptunes/Fenwicks and just wait for something to happen and then have the bouncers deal with it. The bouncers are at the door to limit potential problems on the male front and to satisfy local triad/police understandings on the women front.

Whomer
10-09-07, 17:38
Came back from Taipei and stayed one night in HK. Due the booking situation in our regulat hotels my company booked a room in the Fourseasons for me. Nice hotel, very US style. I followed the hints of ISG and visited the lounge and blue bar, but didn't find anything interesting.

So I went at 6:00 pm to the IFC mall, looked around, went to the cinema cafe, Pacific cafe and Mcdonalds, but also no luck. So I headed straight forward to Fenwicks. It was my first time at Fenwicks. It was full of girls and guys. Like some of you said before: It was like being in a candy store. There were some 9er, and a lot of 7er and 8ers. Shortly after entering the place some girls smiled to me, but I didn't react immediately. I had a beer, and wad happy to take a look to the scene. There were some girls I was interested in. Therefore I looked forward to a hot filipina, but she wasn't interested in me because she was already in business with another guy. But her girlfriend approached me and we chatted a little bit. Her name was Sharon, 20yo. She asked me if we can have dinner together. And I told her, yes and also a little bit more. We agreed finally about 700 HKD + taxi. So we went for a very nice dinner in a restaurant in the IFC mall. At 10:00 pm we moved to my hotel room.

We showered together and she wanted to test the tube. Was quite funny to see Sharon playing around with the bubbles. She was a 8, slim, well trained. After the bathroom session we went to bed. CBJ and fucking in several positions. After a rest she wanted to go, but we negotiated a second session for add. 300 HKD. This time I gave her a full body massage, than some 69 and a nice BBBJ. Finally some fucking again. She was always quite, sometimes breathing heavely. No fake moaning. No condoms with her, I needed my own stuff. Loved to stay with her. She left at 7:00 am in the morning. Total: 1000 HKG + 100 HKD taxi + dinner.

Would do it again.

Whomer

Hk Dog
10-10-07, 01:56
So I went at 6:00 pm to the IFC mall, looked around, went to the cinema cafe, Pacific cafe and Mcdonalds, but also no luck. So I headed straight forward to Fenwicks. It was my first time at Fenwicks. It was full of girls and guys. Like some of you said before: It was like being in a candy store. There were some 9er, and a lot of 7er and 8ers. Whomer


Which idiot told you to go check out IFC Mall? If you ranked girls at Fenwicks at 6pm as 9s, you should have stayed until 11:30. You would have seen some 15teens !!

Tiger 888
10-10-07, 06:39
Which idiot told you to go check out IFC Mall? If you ranked girls at Fenwicks at 6pm as 9s, you should have stayed until 11:30. You would have seen some 15teens !!Hahaha finally someone fell into Flushpumps trap. He should have read the comments on those nonsense posts.

Gaxor
10-10-07, 11:00
Can anyone tell me if it is possible to get girls into the club floors here.

JackTheLad2
10-10-07, 13:24
I am coming to HK on 5th December for a couple of weeks and have been booked into the Nathan Hotel in Nathan Road. I know most of the HK hotels are GF - I have stayed in many over the years - but does anyone know about the Nathan Hotel? At least it is handy for a lot of action!

Thanks in advance

Michi
10-10-07, 15:09
Can anyone tell me if it is possible to get girls into the club floors here.
Hi,
completely girlfriendly for any floor.
But you have to be with her as they switch the elevators to room card acess after 10 or 12.
Rgds,
Mike

Joe Banana
10-10-07, 16:52
Islington, I'd recommend the Warney hotel right in the heart of the Wanchai action. Smallish but clean rooms literally 50m from Fenwicks. Look on their website. I think I beat them down to around HK$500 last time I stayed there, it all depends on what conventions etc are on in town.

Member #2962
10-10-07, 23:04
Can somebody supply me with the website address for the 141 and 161 websites.

Tufei Paco
10-11-07, 02:58
I did a search, and was wondering if anyone could share where I can go in Hong Kong to get tested for STD's? I am not a HK citizen nor do I have a HK ID. How much will it cost me? Hopefully you guys can all chime in since we should all get tested regularly. Let's keep it safe out there bros!

Tiger 888
10-11-07, 05:04
Can somebody supply me with the website address for the 141 and 161 websites.Go to www.google.com.hk and enter

141

It should be the first in the list.

Rick Hunter
10-11-07, 09:48
Since you are not an HK citizen you can't use the public health facilities. There are a fair number of hospitals that cater to wealthier people in HK and medical tourists.

I recommend the Sanatorium Hospital in Happy Valley. Just go to their outpatient clinic. I have been tested there a few times. Forget what the charge is as I have always done it in conjunction with some other medical thing. Maybe HK$500 or so. The Madilta or other private hospitals would be good too. There are also some government family planning clincis that are always advertising tests but I do not know whether you need to be a resident or not.


I did a search, and was wondering if anyone could share where I can go in Hong Kong to get tested for STD's? I am not a HK citizen nor do I have a HK ID. How much will it cost me? Hopefully you guys can all chime in since we should all get tested regularly. Let's keep it safe out there bros!

Traveler1234
10-11-07, 15:57
Rick Hunter is right - Sanatorium is the BEST and most EXPENSIVE facility in HK. Adventist Hospital is another option, near US Embassy on HK Island.

I'm not 100% sure that government hospital 'won't 'accept you if you're not HK ID holder....Ruttonjee in Wanchai is excellent place, and Queen Mary's is another one.

Idler31
10-11-07, 16:49
Rick Hunter is right - Sanatorium is the BEST and most EXPENSIVE facility in HK. Adventist Hospital is another option, near US Embassy on HK Island.

I'm not 100% sure that government hospital 'won't 'accept you if you're not HK ID holder....Ruttonjee in Wanchai is excellent place, and Queen Mary's is another one.

The government hospitals will certainly accept you without an HKID card, but they will charge similar rates to the private hospitals to treat you, and if you want non-emergency consultations, you'll be put on the end of a long waiting list.

Johnny Rocket
10-11-07, 17:00
A long time ago I went to the emergency room of a government hospital for food poisoning. They took good care of me. I don't remember if I had to pay. Bring your passport.

Of course, for non-emergency services like STD testing, it may be different.

Traveler1234
10-11-07, 17:08
The government hospitals will certainly accept you without an HKID card, but they will charge similar rates to the private hospitals to treat you, and if you want non-emergency consultations, you'll be put on the end of a long waiting list.

Thanks for the heads up.

Slightly off topic but Ruttonjee is a solid govt hp. - i mention this only because it's a stone's throw from the wanchai bars, just in case anyone has emergency!

Recently, my 24 yr son checked into their emergency room with chest pains at 4 am, remained for 2 days of checkup/tests, etc. - fortunately he also holds dual citizenship and has HK ID: total cost HK$500 - yes, not a typo.

I then had him go to Sanatorium to see head of cardiology for second opinion. Doc said Ruttonjee did a good job, and he did additional CAT scan, et. etc. on out patient basis: US$1600! Fortunately my son has insurance

Pwap007
10-12-07, 08:06
Which idiot told you to go check out IFC Mall? If you ranked girls at Fenwicks at 6pm as 9s, you should have stayed until 11:30. You would have seen some 15teens!Dude,

If he thinks he saw 8s and 9s then he saw 8s and 9s. Why are you always raining on someone's parade? I've been following your BS on the Thailand board, and I find you to be someone who just talks enormous amount of shit without contributing an ounce of useful information. Just shut the fuck up and let people have fun. Who the fuck are you to judge who is hot or not?

Undercoverh
10-13-07, 16:27
Can somebody supply me with the website address for the 141 and 161 websites.



As far as I know, there are only two working sites now which are 161s_x.com
and s_x141.com. Several months ago, there were lots of sites, but the HK government changed all of that. If someone else knows of any other sites that are working, please provide the info, thanks.

The World
10-14-07, 03:12
Unfortunately the bouncers at both Fenwick and Neptune are pretty racist.

I've been to Fenwick with some non ethnic friends and never had to pay. However if I rock up on my own, without fail I'm asked for HK$300 (and two free drinks). There has even been occasion when a few of the girls I know who work at Fenwick tried to get me in, but with no luck.

As for Neptune, again same thing, with non ethnic friends no cover charge, but on my own HK$500 without fail.


Sid,

I don't frequent the bars, but you are correct, there is no need to pay cover charges or whatever. HK is not Japan where everything is more difficult and expensive and restricted for the gaijin. However, Hong Kongers will rip you off if they think they have half a chance to do it. Don't give in--there are too many choices here to be taken advantage of. Tell them to go fuck themselves.

Eye Spy
10-14-07, 09:13
Hey Guys. I would like to share a funny and kind of scary experience I recently had on one of my lunchtime adventures. I normally do my mongering during my lunch hour; the only time I really have to my self. After the deed was done the 141 lady took me into her bathroom to rinse off. Her bathroom is really very small; even by Hong Kong standards. We both had to squeeze in tight, so she could shut the door. After a quick shower. She goes to open the door and the knob pulls out a bit. Then turns uselessly in either direction. She immediately starts to mutter "oh no. Oh no. Oh no. . . ".

We are both completely naked, dripping wet. And now trapped in her bathroom. There is not even a towel inside; just a very tiny piece of rag. Mind you there is no window in the bathroom and her front door is metal and bolted from the end side. You can imagine what must have been going through my mind as to how this could end. How long would we be caught in here? It’s my lunch hour and I have a meeting at work in less than an hour. I am married and trapped in a toilet.completely naked and wet. With a very nude Chinese women.

Needles to say the lady is frantic as well. For what ever reason she has a kitchen knife in her bathroom, and she spends about 5 minutes disparately trying to jimmy the door open with the knife. The middle part of the door is glass, and all the while I am thinking I can bust the glass with the toilet cover if need be. But honestly I was not looking forward to this. The glass is pretty large – and the bathroom is very very small and we are both totally nude and have not even a towel to protect oursleves. Broken glass and naked flesh. I can see this all ending with blood on the floor. The paramedics. Maybe even the press. How would I ever explain all this to my wife and my boss.

Fortunately there were wooden slats at the very bottom of the door to let the air in and steam out. Only about 1 foot square. Hardly big enough to crawl through. But we begin to focus on this as our best hope for escape. The door is old and it is relatively easy to pull the wooden slates out one by one. After all the slates are out, the lady try’s to crawl out by putting one of her legs though the hole. Honestly she is fairly attractive, but a bit on the meaty side. Not sure what she was thinking, but I begin to hope maybe she was some sort of contortionist. Alas no; the hole is too small and she is too big. We are still stuck in her tiny toilet! All the while she rarely every ceases her chant of "Oh No. Oh No. Oh No. . . "!

Frankly I can kind of see the humor in the situation all a long. But I am still worried. She tries to put just her arm through the door and open the door from the outside. But her arm will not reach the outside knob. I then lie down naked on her wet and filthy bathroom floor. My ass slides along the wet tiles and my head nearly crashes into the floor. I stick my head through the door along with one arm. I can just barley reach the knob with my finger tips. My hands are wet and slippery. But eventually the outside knob turns and we are both free at last.

All in all we were probably trapped in her toilet for about 10 minutes. Certainly one of the most memerorable 10 minutes of my mongering career. One I will never forget. I shudder to think in what other very embarrassing and awkward ways this might have all ended.

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Daved35
10-14-07, 12:51
I had just return from Trip to China, I had a nights stay going and coming from the states.

Arrive Tuesday 9/25 in the morning, went to hotel and got cleaned up, spent the better part of day doing tourist stuff. Onway back to Hotel stop by Sticky Fingers for a beer. Ran into some guys from US, suggested I come back later. Came back around 8 PM, bar was packed with lots of guys and about 15 girls. Most were fairly good looking 5-8's. Unfortunately I was seated at the bar next to the most obnoxious person I had ever met. He insulted everyone and he would not leave. So there was no place to move to so I left.

On way back to Regal Kowloon in the courtyard between it and Grand Staford I was approached by Mamasan who had 5 girls in tow.

I was tired and gave in with out bargaining 800HKD, (sorry I am newbie to this board) and I should know to haggle her down on price but was just to tired. Girl was very nice and I had typical treatment, showwer, massage and almost GFE experience.

Once I got to China, I told my host about this, he warned me not to do this because in HK some girls might call police and claim you attacked them. Is this true? I have read this board and not seen any warnings about this.

On my way back from China, I had overnite in HK again, this time however I did not get back to hotel until 12:30 1:00 AM in morning. I was not going out. However next to evelator in regal kowlloon is coffee shop. As I walk to elevator from front desk, I was met by a nice smile from Susan. I could not resist. Another 800HKD and repeat of Tuesday nights activities

As I mentioned I am newbie and only get to HK once or twice a year. This board is valuable resource, thanks to all the frequent contributors.I also touched up Susan and got her for an all nighter at 11pm for 1400. Was not bad in the sack but she was not much into the BBBJ and required some pushing on that.

her English was understandable and through being nice to her I nailed her twice before sleep and first thing in the morning again. Problem was when I woudl come and go to my room I had to use the elevator over by reception as she was sitting looking by the main elevators and pestered me for another night.... 6 outta 10 for a retry and she woudl have got up to a 9 were it not for the shit on the BJ and the real fake moaning.

The World
10-14-07, 15:36
Tried a couple of 141's for the first time over the past couple of weeks.

Both of them are near where I live (within about 5 mins walking distance), however my area to not known in general for the sex trade (as opposed to say Wan Chai or Mongkok).

First 141. Gave her call to see if she was in. Turned up about 10 mins later. It was a walk up residential building. Outside the door was a sign for 141 and 161 and the fact that she was available.

Lady was a bit old, not the best face, ok body, decent rack (but fake). Big room (probably as big as my flat here). She told me how much the charge was. She then told me to strip and we went to the bathroom area for a shower (involving going through the kitchen). She showered me and then cleaned herself up.

Then to her bed (queen size). She put rubber on and gave me about 2 mins of head. Then she jumped on me. I pumped her for about 15 - 20 mins in a few different positions. It was frankly boring and the girl was very mechanic. I was pretty much disappointed. Total cost HK$500. Oh, by the way she spoke reasonably decent english.

Went to another one tonight. This was much better.

Again walk up flat. However this time there was a choice of three. Again residential building. Get up and the apartment is pretty much split in three. This time lots of ads for 161. Anyway ring a bell. Girl answers. Speaks lots of cantonese to me, have no idea what she goes on about. Then realise there is another girl in her toilet. Girl in toilet leaves.

My girl, she doesn't look too bad. Decent face, ok body, not petite, but not huge. Anyway she proceeds to strip with me and play around with my body and is generally a good laugh. Oh should mention, the room is VERY small. Enough room for a single bed. Anyway, we proceed to shower. She rubs me up and down, and again have a general laugh playing around with her body. She gives me head in the shower as well.

We proceed back to the room. I lie down and she's licking and kissing me up and down and gives me some more head. She then puts the rubber on (using her mouth. I really like that!!)

We screw for about 40 minutes in several different positions (quite hard considering the size of hte bed). I finish off by shooting in her mouth. We then shower up and I pay. This time only HK$380.

Second experience was SO SO much better, and enjoyed it quite a bit. The girl was fun and enthusiastic for sure!!

Hk Dog
10-15-07, 01:46
Unfortunately the bouncers at both Fenwick and Neptune are pretty racist.

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Do you really believe it is the bouncers being racists?

The racists are the owners who are Chinese, the bouncers are just implementing policy.

JohnJohnJr2000
10-15-07, 09:59
guys,

i'm sorry for the late report. i'm a senior member on the usa board. i'm slowing getting out around the world. went to hkg because i have a counsin that lives there because of an american company transplanted him their on an executive assignment. i met a girl on the internet. we hooked up and it was awesome! i would encourage all of you if you don't live in hkg try to hook up with a local resident i.e. craigs list. did sometime in wan chai. it was awesome. i found if you stand at the edge of the dance floor and bop your head. girls will ask you to dance like crazy. i agree with some other guys many flipino bars avoid them they will drag you in as you walk by and charge you much money water and pop. i eventually left and found myself in neptune. i got free bbj and also everything on the menu. i hooked up with a thai girls and a flipino girl that i met on the dance floor in neptunes. again, go to the dance floor and if a girl stares at you grab her before she grabs someone else. i also started talking to a japanese girl but it was 330am on a monday and i was tired so i settle for the thai girl. i wanted her friends but oh well. i no doubt will return to hkg. i'm going to post my trip in macau. i had to p4p but it was worth it. i also noticed many beautiful women in ladies market and temple street. beware, many cab drivers don't speak english or act like that can't speak english so a local guide helps or knowing the cantonese name in writing or speech helps! have fun!

Neuromancer
10-15-07, 17:33
guys,

i'm sorry for the late report. i'm a senior member on the usa board. i'm slowing getting out around the world. went to hkg because i have a counsin that lives there because of an american company transplanted him their on an executive assignment. i met a girl on the internet. we hooked up and it was awesome! i would encourage all of you if you don't live in hkg try to hook up with a local resident i.e. craigs list. did sometime in wan chai. it was awesome. i found if you stand at the edge of the dance floor and bop your head. girls will ask you to dance like crazy. i agree with some other guys many flipino bars avoid them they will drag you in as you walk by and charge you much money water and pop. i eventually left and found myself in neptune. i got free bbj and also everything on the menu. i hooked up with a thai girls and a flipino girl that i met on the dance floor in neptunes. again, go to the dance floor and if a girl stares at you grab her before she grabs someone else. i also started talking to a japanese girl but it was 330am on a monday and i was tired so i settle for the thai girl. i wanted her friends but oh well. i no doubt will return to hkg. i'm going to post my trip in macau. i had to p4p but it was worth it. i also noticed many beautiful women in ladies market and temple street. beware, many cab drivers don't speak english or act like that can't speak english so a local guide helps or knowing the cantonese name in writing or speech helps! have fun!eh, mr senior member, japanese girl in neptunes? never been personally but reasonably familiar with the wan chai scene. she may have told you she was japanese, but i highly doubt it. in any case, i would suspect that any japanese reader would be insulted that you "settled" for the thai girl (i'm not japanese btw)

free bbj? i suppose this is what they call a dine and dash? except in this case, you dashed after the girl dined?

why would the cab drivers speak english? i'm guessing most don't have a ton of education and the only english they've learned is what they've picked up from their fares. maybe you could learn a little bit of cantonese or mandarin? i'm sure that you are more highly educated than a cabbie.

The World
10-15-07, 17:44
Do you really believe it is the bouncers being racists?

The racists are the owners who are Chinese, the bouncers are just implementing policy.

At the moment I doubt you on that, however you may be right (sorry, don't want to come of as an argument).

You, for sure may be right, especially as I've only been around in HK for just under a year. However I do believe its the bouncers, but more than happy to be proven wrong.

Neuromancer
10-15-07, 17:46
Do you really believe it is the bouncers being racists?

The racists are the owners who are Chinese, the bouncers are just implementing policy.Maybe the solution would be for the Chinese owners (are they really? No idea whatsoever) to tell their bouncers direct non-caucasion types to the 141s just around the corner. Providing a little map would be a nice extra touch. I suppose that the owners (whether white or Chinese) have no connection to the 141 apartment owners, so nothing to gain.

141s are much better value IMHO, which is why I avoid Wan Chai like the plague. Only go there for cheap (relative to LKD and SOHO) drinks and food. Been to Fenwicks twice, first time was on my own and was charged 100HKD which included one (or was it two) drinks. Second time I was with a white dude and wasn't charged admission. Wanted to take a look-sie at Neptunes II (on my own) and the bouncer asked for 500HKD admission. F*ck that. For the price of admission, I can pay the 141 girl, which, from what I've seen thus far beats Wan Chai by a mile. Of course, I haven't seen the full display of options available in the Wan Chai market, from the little that I have seen, I think that I'm not missing anything.

Hk Dog
10-16-07, 01:50
At the moment I doubt you on that, however you may be right (sorry, don't want to come of as an argument).

You, for sure may be right, especially as I've only been around in HK for just under a year. However I do believe its the bouncers, but more than happy to be proven wrong.


Believe me I am right. And lets just say it is the group of Chinese you don't want to be messing with. May I ask what nationality you are? Perhaps I can tell you why there is a policy for your group.

Hk Dog
10-16-07, 03:34
Guys,
I eventually left and found myself in Neptune. I got free BBJ and also everything on the menu. I hooked up with a thai girls and a flipino girl that I met on the dance floor in Neptunes. Again, go to the dance floor and if a girl stares at you grab her before she grabs someone else. I also started talking to a Japanese girl but it was 330AM on a monday and I was tired so I settle for the Thai girl. I wanted her friends but oh well. !

Being your first time in HK, there are some inaccuracies. There are never ever any japanese girls in Neptunes. Also, the Thai girls there are not there for 'dancing'. They are on short term visa's and Neptunes is their workplace.

Did you offer or discuss money or did you just assume it was free? I have friends who are ex male models who go to Tunes and believe me, no Thai girl in Neptunes is going to give it up for free on the first time meeting you.

I have heard this story many times from Thai girls on 'tourists' not paying them because they told them money wasn't discussed at the beginning.

Kiwistickman
10-16-07, 05:17
Thought I would ad my 2 cents worth to recent posts.

As a regular visitor to HK for the past 15 years I have found it one of the better places to indulge in our hobby. I usually stay at the Intercontinental KW while conducting business. The Doorman etc do give me a look on the odd occasion I have returned with a bedmate I move to the horny Wharney in Wanchai for the serious mongering and more likely to get looked at by front of house workers if I DON, T come back with a bed mate. Taxi drivers are more than ok for what I need if you plan a little. Ie Business card from hotel. I get hotel staff to write down in Chinese any areas I am likely to visit. Have tried streetwalkers, bargirls, saunas, yellow signs, 141, 161 and private providers. All are good and bad on the day. It is my belief that part of the fun of our hobby is finding out how good/bad/indifferent the providers may be. Just like eating out, looks good on the menu but may not satisfy. For me HK is one of the safer cities in Asia to move around in day or night taking the usual pecautions. I don't live in HK, am nearly he wrong side of 60, swm. Don't speak a word of any other language but none of this has ever to my knowledge stoped me from having a hell of a lot of fun. Yes I am a newbie to this forum but not to the hobby.

Rick Hunter
10-16-07, 09:25
At the moment I doubt you on that, however you may be right (sorry, don't want to come of as an argument).

You, for sure may be right, especially as I've only been around in HK for just under a year. However I do believe its the bouncers, but more than happy to be proven wrong.

I am surprised that anyone would think that it is the bouncers that set the door policy. Like most workers further down the totem pool in an organization they simply listen to their bosses. Like most business owners in Hong Kong those that operate the bars in Wan Chai are rather pragmatic. They have valid business reasons for behaving as they do. Various types of people are usually excluded because they either tend not to spend money or they tend to harass the girls or the girls tend not to like that type of person. Obviously there are many good people that are unfairly impacted by these rules but that’s life.

Occasionally businesses will try something new. Over the last few months New Makahti has been encouraging Chinese guys to attend. While the place was never overly popular with freelancers and generally only had girls brought in by agents associated with the bar this has caused pretty much all the free lancers to stop going there. (Domestic Helpers on the weekend are another story but I have heard some of them start to complain and say they will just stick to other bars). Will this strategy work for New Makahti – I don’t know? A lot of the girls working in Wan Chai tend to have an aversion to Chinese men however being the one bar very friendly to Chinese patrons it may turn into a place serving what is a niche market in Wan Chai.

As for who owns the bars in Wan Chai it is a fairly mixed bag. The owners represent a more diverse collection of people than one would initially think. I will not bother highlighting the owners of the bars the girls tend to go to as some of the owners prefer to keep a low profile (and others not so much) but the information is readily available for those who want to take the time to find out. Since it has not been listed here for a while the bars girls tend to hang out in are:

Discos – Fenwicks, Neptune’s II, Laguna, New Makhati, Boracay, Dreams, Galaxy
Bars – Joe Banana’s, Dusk Till Dawn, Amazonia, The Bridge, Old China Hand (certain bars only have girls there during certain time periods)

While on the subject of Wan Chai there is one other area that I want to address that has caused number of posts over the past few months and that is price. Yes Wan Chai is an expensive place to pick up girls in Asia. Right after the high class night clubs it would be the next most expensive place in Hong Kong SAR. There are a variety of reasons for the relatively high price but it basically boils down to the service is in English, its location (next to the Central Business District), the girls are imported and have costs to cover and tourists/visiting businessmen tend to be more liberal with their cash.

I hate it when I see posts about why pay a girl $800-$1,000 when plane tickets to her country are cheap and she would only get a fraction of that. If I am coming home on a Tuesday night and want some action I do not have time to fly off to Thailand or Manila. Not to mention I like have the choice and variety available in Hong Kong – I expect to pay more for imports. While there are many nice Chinese girls to have fun with here variety is the spice of life.

Also it bugs me when people complain that it is more expensive than options on Kowloon side. Sometimes I want the convenience of staying on the island. (Much like how I pay more to live on Hong Kong Island as opposed to what I would pay to live in Tin Shui Wai). I may also want service in relatively good English. I am not saying do not go to places in Kowloon. There are some great places in Kowloon, some with good service in English. I will actually be off to one tonight to meet a local Hong Kong girl who I have regularly visited for a couple years now.

Please just stop complaining about the prices in Wan Chai. Recognize what it is and where it is in the market. If you go to a restaurant in the Peninsula for dinner you expect to pay more than you would at a local road side restaurant. You can argue which place has better tasting food but you already know the price difference a head of time so no point complaining.

This is by no means an endorsement that you should pay $1,500 for a short time in Wan Chai where many ladies start their opening offer as $800 is much closer to market, plus or minus a couple hundred depending on the girl.

BJK
10-16-07, 10:07
Agree with Rick H. and HK Dog it is the management that set the door policy and not the bouncers.

What is not clear to me is why aren't Chinese girls welcome at these places anymore?
It used to be 3-4 years ago there were quite a number of Chinese girls offering their services. Neptunes would be one of the more popular places to find Chinese WG. There was both HKID Holders (usually not born in HK) and PRC girls with the ability to get visa's. Even one I met had US passport after marrying but then lived by herself in Beijing.
I only now visit HK occasionally so don't see the scene change over time like when I lived there but have not seen many Chinese girls over the past few years.

What I don't understand is why. HK does not seem to be exclusive in this regard like Japan or Korea. Even in China I have been refused service, but in HK I have never felt unwelcome at 141, sauna or SW. Either by the girl or pimp.

So why do bars in Wan Chai discourage Chinese girls? Does anyone know? I don't believe it is a demand thing. The Chinese girls were able to command higher prices than Thai or Filipino despite the abundant 141 alternatives.

BJK

The World
10-16-07, 16:29
Seems I've caused a few issues, apologies, didn't mean it like that.

Was out in Wan Chai last night at about 11ish. Tried Fenwicks, HK$300 one free drink. I thought forget it. Went over to Neptune II and shock horror, didn't get charged. However I did walk in behind two gweillo.

Was very busy in Neptune. Seemed to be lots of filipino's as opposed to thais.

Ended up speaking to one Filipino girl. Bought her a couple of drinks. Just after she got her second drink she got up to say she was going to the toilet. I said fair enough. Well she didn't come back after 5 - 10 mins, so I thought she wasn't interested and had gone off to chat to some other guy.

I walked around the place and wasn't really feeling it. On my way out saw the girl chatting to some other guy.

Oh, by the way I'm british, but am of indian descent.

Neuromancer
10-16-07, 17:09
Seems I've caused a few issues, apologies, didn't mean it like that.

Was out in Wan Chai last night at about 11ish. Tried Fenwicks, HK$300 one free drink. I thought forget it. Went over to Neptune II and shock horror, didn't get charged. However I did walk in behind two gweillo.

Was very busy in Neptune. Seemed to be lots of filipino's as opposed to thais.

Ended up speaking to one Filipino girl. Bought her a couple of drinks. Just after she got her second drink she got up to say she was going to the toilet. I said fair enough. Well she didn't come back after 5 - 10 mins, so I thought she wasn't interested and had gone off to chat to some other guy.

I walked around the place and wasn't really feeling it. On my way out saw the girl chatting to some other guy.

Oh, by the way I'm british, but am of indian descent.Well, we could always put a positive spin on the racism/business pragmatism/acumen (regardless of whether it's the bouncer, owner, whoever). Way I see it, somebody is preventing me from inadvertently wasting 1000HKD or so for a Thai/Flipper/other. I respect Rick H's opinion and there'll be times when I feel like paying a little more for a "perceived" higher quality provider whether it be a sauna girl or hotel reservation 141 girl. Where I disagree is that a Thai/Filipina/other is a higher quality provider, so it's not skin off my nose, figure the bouncer's are doing me a favor by "restricting my entrance" so to speak. Wouldn't want to accidentally get drunk and take one of them home for 1000HKD.

Neuromancer
10-16-07, 18:40
The hotel reservation girls who advertise "Tsim Sha Tsui", are normally located in Jordan in one of two hotels named after an American city in Southern California. Was cruising the s_x141 website started wondering where the Causeway Bay hotel reservation girls work at. I'm guessing that the actual hotel is in North Point. I suppose that I could just call up and make an appointment but if I'm gonna stay on the Island side, it's just too easy to simply saunter on down to Hop Yee or Fuji.

Hk Dog
10-17-07, 01:38
Oh, by the way I'm british, but am of indian descent.


Unfortunately the local Indian guys in HK have a very bad reputation at the Wan Chai places. They come in large groups, don't buy drinks and harass the girls who complain to the management. That is why the owners try to keep them out. So you are just being thrown into that group.

Hk Dog
10-17-07, 03:11
What is not clear to me is why aren't Chinese girls welcome at these places anymore?
BJK

From what I heard it has to do with the police and public image. They don't care if foreigners (westeners) are screwing around with foreigners (thais and flippers) since the locals expect that and don't care. The police don't want the local press to investigate drunk gweilos bonking their own for money. So there is an understanding between owner and police.

There may even be a little element of local triads attempting to get a cut of chinese working girls pay and causing problems. I used to see local pimps in Fenwicks who would harrass girls when he saw them leave a cust and come back since he wanted his 'protection' cut even though the girl had no relation to him.

JuiceGuy
10-17-07, 12:54
Will be in BKK 12/8-12/12; Hong Kong 12/12-12/14; Shenzhen 12/14-12/16; and Taiwan 12/17-12/19.

Anyone want to get together? PM me.

Idler31
10-17-07, 15:19
Just got back from a pleasant hour at 37D. Usual stuff, nothing new, no need to go into detail. The purpose of this report is just to recommend Keh Keh, who took care of me this evening. She's a local HK girl, 25, lovely firm body and flat tummy, nice tits, just ... pretty! Service was fantastic - she loved DATY (came; I had a finger in and I felt it), and provided enthusiastic FS in several positions. At one point while I was pounding her tight and well-lubricated (but extremely hairy) snatch, she called me Superman. You know it's not true; I know it's not true; but I'm always prepared to pay for that kind of thing.

Downers: No DFK, no assplay of any kind, not even a finger up there.

Totally recommended. If you're in 37D, do ask for her.

Ragnarok42
10-17-07, 18:32
I usually post in the Taiwan and China section but this experience is just too outstanding. Was in Hong Kong for the day getting my rush visa to go to China and as always went over the Langham Place in Monkok for some MP action.

Saw some police patrolling the area which is rather odd since it was only 10 in the morning, but there were only two, so when they passed by I slipped into a place where I have been before and liked. While not being overly clean (none of these places are) they have mirrors EVERYWHERE, on the wall next to the bed, as the head of the bed and on the ceiling. That alone makes me want to go there.

Was shown a room and I asked for a "young girl". 2 minutes pass and the guy shows up with a STUNNER. I mean 10 all around, body,face, the works. She was young, only 19 and was from Fujian. But my god, she looked 16 and her skin felt like it was 14. Although she was beautiful, God didnt give her much in the smarts department. Seems it was only her 2nd day in HK on a 7 day pass and she had overslept on the first day. She gave me a mediocore shower, only washing the important bits and nothing else. And she gave me the most peculiar look while washing me...

Anyways we finish up and I am lying on the bed just shocked at how beautiful she is. She starts giving me a BBBJ which was ok but this gave me a chance to caress her B cup breasts. Damn, round as mellons and just as firm. No saline, no enhancment, just young tender breasts, just like Nature intended. Well she finishes up, puts on the shower cap and mounts me. Took almost all my self control not to shoot right then, she had the more slender waist and firmest ass I have felt for months. Now she didnt know how to move all that well but damn did she look good in the ceiling mirror. After a little while I am getting a little disappointed with her lack of initiative in cowgirl when she leans down and kisses me and says "what will happen if I fall in love with you?" . So I look her dead in the eyes and say "then fall in love with me then" and we keep on banging away.

We flip over to do missionary and god is she wet. I love 19 year olds, pretty as a picture and sensitive as hell. Doesnt take much to make them wet and tight. I raise her legs onto my shoulders and drill her deep. This seem to cause her to go over the edge. She literally pulls my head down and continues to kiss me, but this time she starts to use her toungue. Couldnt take it much longer, laying on top of this angel with both hands on her breasts and banging away. So I tell her to open her eyes and look at me, and made her watch me as I finished. Find nothing is hotter then having them look at you while you are pumping her while you come. When we are done, she looks at me and says " I really have fallen in love with you". Wonder why it is? The last 19 year old I screwed in Beijing told me she loved me too after we fucked and I gave her and orgasm. Everyone should be this easy...

Clean up and ask if is she is around all day and she says she will be on duty in the afternoon. So I go run my errands, meet friends for lunch and return to the same place at about 3.45. But when I ask for the girl, the guy says she is off work and would I like someone like her. While I think to myself "fat chance", I am still horny as hell and say ok. He shows me to the room and 5 min later comes in with another stunner. This one is an HK girl.

This girl doesnt talk much, all business. Says a polite hello and starts to strip. I do find out that she is 21 and she has a bit more makeup on. Angelic face. I would give her a 10 for face and 9 for body. She has smaller breasts, say a large A but boy they are perky! Long legs and just a wisp of hair down there.

She starts giving me a shower and suddenly looks all sheepish. She kneels down in the shower and starts to give me a BBBJ. Cuping some hot water she give me a fire-only blow job. A few times like this and we both dry off. I lie down on the bed and admire myself in the ceiling mirror. She soon starts with kissing my nipples and rubbing me all over. She doesnt allow me to touch her breasts much but her skin feels older, like a 22 or 24 year olds so I am not as excited as with the girl in the morning. When she gets to my cock she lifts up my legs and starts a rimming that would put a gay porn actor to shame. Spend a good 10 minutes alternating btwn BBBJ and rimming. Both with passion and again seeing that angelic face with her lips wrapped around my cock almost made me burst. Almost. But thanks to the ceiling mirror I got a first row seat to seeing her eat my asshole out. Damn I love this place!

I think she was a little disappointed that I didnt shoot my load with all the oral attention, so she slips on the condom and gets on top of me. Now she knows how to ride the pony! About 5 minutes of her grinding me with her tight pussy was not enough, we change to mish and again I go at her. Now she was not as responsive as the earlier girl but her quiet acceptance of me fucking her was still a turn on. I came hard for the second time today. Cleaned up, she said goodbye and I stumbled out to the airport happy with both my experiences. While neither was a 100, both were great and I was thinking if both were combined into one (a 19 year old hottie that sucked cock and ate ass like a porn star), I could die a happy man. But maybe I am asking for too much.

Total damage was 350 for each pop so 700 altogether. The MP does not have cards but is one the street heading south from the corner of Langham Place. Once you pass the KFC its one more street down. An opening with a large sign that says "free preview" and you know you are there. Ask for the "young girl" from Wen Qi or the HK girl. Both are well worth the money and better than any Fillipinas you will find on Sundays. Good luck all of you!

Vedado Fun
10-17-07, 23:56
Ragnarok42,

Excellent report. I hope that place is still there next time I'm in Hong Kong.

JohnJohnJr2000
10-18-07, 10:43
Okay, This International Forum seems very brutal to the USA form. Here are the answers. I'm just sharing my experience. I'm an African American male from the USA. I stayed in Taikoo Shing at my cousin's flat who is an executive with an American company. The two girls stayed with me for free. Yes free. The Thai girl that goes by Kea stayed with me overnight. The only thing that I paid for was food and taxi cab. I do have pictures of the Thai girl that I can post. She is back in Thai working at a hotel at front desk in the lobby. She has friends in HKG. English was bad with both. In fact, her friends did some translation for me. Maybe I had girls over me because their were few African American males in the club. I don't know. I don't care. I just know I will go back again if free is on the menu with the other girls there! I also visited other clubs in the area and did a lot of dancing. Yes, the girl was Japanese and was working for a company with some expats from England. I'm going to post my Macau experience in the other forum. I did had to P4P there.


Being your first time in HK, there are some inaccuracies. There are never ever any japanese girls in Neptunes. Also, the Thai girls there are not there for 'dancing'. They are on short term visa's and Neptunes is their workplace.

Did you offer or discuss money or did you just assume it was free? I have friends who are ex male models who go to Tunes and believe me, no Thai girl in Neptunes is going to give it up for free on the first time meeting you.

I have heard this story many times from Thai girls on 'tourists' not paying them because they told them money wasn't discussed at the beginning.

JohnJohnJr2000
10-18-07, 10:49
Well, HK Dog

I will take your advice since I'm new to HKG. I will be happy that I had this free experience. I will not expect to have a free experience again. I will assume, I was just lucky and lost in the translation. So, thanks for the advice and next time in HKG, I will be expecting to P4P other than one Canadian Chinese coporate person that I met there with HKG ID card that lives in Gold Coast.

Again thanks and I will not expect P4 Free in the future.

JJJ


Being your first time in HK, there are some inaccuracies. There are never ever any japanese girls in Neptunes. Also, the Thai girls there are not there for 'dancing'. They are on short term visa's and Neptunes is their workplace.

Did you offer or discuss money or did you just assume it was free? I have friends who are ex male models who go to Tunes and believe me, no Thai girl in Neptunes is going to give it up for free on the first time meeting you.

I have heard this story many times from Thai girls on 'tourists' not paying them because they told them money wasn't discussed at the beginning.

Softy
10-19-07, 10:31
Well, HK Dog

I will take your advice since I'm new to HKG. I will be happy that I had this free experience. I will not expect to have a free experience again. I will assume, I was just lucky and lost in the translation. So, thanks for the advice and next time in HKG, I will be expecting to P4P other than one Canadian Chinese coporate person that I met there with HKG ID card that lives in Gold Coast.

Again thanks and I will not expect P4 Free in the future.

JJJ

Just for the record, I have had a periodic freebie from Neptunes, Fenwicks and particularly Laguna. They have been few and far between. I can only speculate that in each of the cases, the girls had quite a bit of fun and either forgot to ask for the money or simply decided the fun was worth it.

The last event was a very long time ago, however. Maybe they are not as frequent these days because I am older or the scene is more commercialized - which it is.

So, I can see how that may have happened to you, but it is rather rare. Enjoy it for what it was.

Johnny Rocket
10-19-07, 11:43
Gentlemen,

On Monday I visited Ada at 37D and had a good time. But I got more than I bargained for. Suspected something yesterday, and this morning I knew it already, and the doctor confirmed: gonorrhoea. Am doing the antibiotics and all will be fine but don't you guys suffer the same fate!

The only time my dick touched her pussy was during the shower when I rubbed against her and when my I smacked my head against her pussy before putting on the condom. And still it found its way to me!

I know it was her because she was my only working girl partner for 3 weeks. I only have one non-WG partner who I know is clean. And THANK GOD I haven't fucked her this week, the shit sure would have hit the fan!

This is why I always say have fun and STAY SAFE.
Johnny Rocket.

Softy
10-20-07, 05:35
Gentlemen,

On Monday I visited Ada at 37D and had a good time. But I got more than I bargained for. Suspected something yesterday, and this morning I knew it already, and the doctor confirmed: gonorrhoea. Am doing the antibiotics and all will be fine but don't you guys suffer the same fate!

The only time my dick touched her pussy was during the shower when I rubbed against her and when my I smacked my head against her pussy before putting on the condom. And still it found its way to me!

I know it was her because she was my only working girl partner for 3 weeks. I only have one non-WG partner who I know is clean. And THANK GOD I haven't fucked her this week, the shit sure would have hit the fan!

This is why I always say have fun and STAY SAFE.
Johnny Rocket.

Bad deal man, my sympathies. It is also fair warning to us all.

Fast Eddie 48
10-20-07, 09:22
Gentlemen,

On Monday I visited Ada at 37D and had a good time. But I got more than I bargained for. Suspected something yesterday, and this morning I knew it already, and the doctor confirmed: gonorrhoea. Am doing the antibiotics and all will be fine but don't you guys suffer the same fate!

The only time my dick touched her pussy was during the shower when I rubbed against her and when my I smacked my head against her pussy before putting on the condom. And still it found its way to me!

I know it was her because she was my only working girl partner for 3 weeks. I only have one non-WG partner who I know is clean. And THANK GOD I haven't fucked her this week, the shit sure would have hit the fan!

This is why I always say have fun and STAY SAFE.

Johnny Rocket. To Johnny,

Thanks for the head up many girls here have as many as 8 customer a day you can also get this by BBBJ if the girl have a cold sore in her mouth, I was there 2 week ago got angel she is a tall girl from chongqing very good skill, hope that you get better soon.

Fast eddie 48

Mombasa123
10-20-07, 11:46
Unfortunately the local Indian guys in HK have a very bad reputation at the Wan Chai places. They come in large groups, don't buy drinks and harass the girls who complain to the management. That is why the owners try to keep them out. So you are just being thrown into that group.I've got the same problem. Indian guy from YK, just relocated and working for a top tier IB.

Been here on biz trips befor and done the usual places with my Englich friends. No problem when I'm with them. Last trip, a couple of times, I tried to get in on my own (was with a thai girl) and got stopped at Neptune for a cover charge. First time, I laughed it off and said I'd been coming there for days etc and was not paying a cover charge. Bouncers relented and said it was April Fool. Yehm yeh, whatever. Next time, on of the bouncers would not budge. I said fine, your loss and walked away, back to Joe Banana's. Tried again 10 min later and no issue.

Last Sunday, tried Lagunas at around 8. 00PM. Got stopped. Walked away. I wasn't desperate. Went back 30 min later with my m8 and no problem. Went up to the bouncer later, showed him my wallet, told him I'm not cheap and please let me in next time. Shook hands. Hope he remembers next time

Thing is, I spend tons on drinks there, for the girls and myself and friends. So, it is their loss. And, when I start chatting to the girls, I get on really well.

Except for Friday night. Dunno what happened but wasn't really in the mood for p2p. Was on the dance floor in Neptune, just bopping away with m8's. Spotted a nice looking flipper. Called her over, bought her drink and back on the floor. She disappeared. Ah well, her loss, I easily pay 1500-2000 LT for a GFE.

Met up with a long term Thai girl afterward so not a complete loss.

Maybe, the strategy is to get the bouncers to know you. Be friendly with them, go there often etc.

Eye Spy
10-21-07, 03:56
Gentlemen,

On Monday I visited Ada at 37D and had a good time. But I got more than I bargained for. Suspected something yesterday, and this morning I knew it already, and the doctor confirmed: gonorrhoea. Am doing the antibiotics and all will be fine but don't you guys suffer the same fate!

The only time my dick touched her pussy was during the shower when I rubbed against her and when my I smacked my head against her pussy before putting on the condom. And still it found its way to me!

Very Scary Johnny as I am a regular at 37D, and particularly since you did not appear to have much direct contact. Can I ask if you went for the BBBJ? That is also a really easy way to catch something nasty.

I do not hear a lot about STD on this forum – any one else had trouble at 37D?

Undercoverh
10-21-07, 19:27
Gentlemen,

On Monday I visited Ada at 37D and had a good time. But I got more than I bargained for. Suspected something yesterday, and this morning I knew it already, and the doctor confirmed: gonorrhoea. Am doing the antibiotics and all will be fine but don't you guys suffer the same fate!

The only time my dick touched her pussy was during the shower when I rubbed against her and when my I smacked my head against her pussy before putting on the condom. And still it found its way to me!

I know it was her because she was my only working girl partner for 3 weeks. I only have one non-WG partner who I know is clean. And THANK GOD I haven't fucked her this week, the shit sure would have hit the fan!

This is why I always say have fun and STAY SAFE.
Johnny Rocket.


Sorry to read about the problem you had.

I offer the following information as a tip to everyone. But, I do not want to sound like a army training video.

I have been doing pay-4-play for about 13 years in Mexico and Asia and I ALWAYS USE A CONDOM! Ok, when I was a newbie years ago on my first trip to Asia, a few times when I was with young girl I would let them give me a BBBJ. Now, I always use a condom--even for BJs.

My point is, it is not just 37D you have to be concerned about--but all encounters with girls who offer sex for money--use a condom. Let's face it, these girls lick guy's dicks and their ass, and fuck for a living, you can bet that most girls will have or had some form of STD.

The best condom I found that feels great when I use it is:

LifeStyles Sheer Pleasure Lubricated

This is a great product and you feel great using it, I get a lot more feeling with the girl when I use it. I also use it when girls give me BJs.

Note that guys can get STD from their regular girlfriends, thus STD is a risk of life. I find that condom use greatly reduces the risk.

Ok, enough with my "Public Service Announcement."

Gyaos
10-21-07, 22:31
If anyone knows 37D, the right thing to do is to tell her, immediately. Anyone who has been with her should get checked, with or without symptoms. As for the rest of the mongers, always use a condom and have sex safely. I'm sure you all know how to have safe sex, yeah?

Gyaos.

Softy
10-22-07, 12:04
For a few months, it seemed as all the managers (mammas) of the new Philippa girls in Wan Chai wanted to standardize the pricing at $1500 HKD for all night and $1000 HKD for ST. For the first time ever, I had girls unwilling to negotiate for a period of about four months over the summer. As a result, I tended to hit the Thai and Indo girls more often as well as the periodic Chinese girl.

It seems that revenue was down as one girl told me over the weekend and the Philippina girls are once again a bit more independent - outside of Fenwicks. Had one from Laguna this past weekend that was kind of a newbie and inexperienced but willing to please. She asked $1500. She read the look on my face and said I was a nice guy and $1000 would do. It was only 6 pm and this was for all night, so I did not even bother to negotiate more. 4 pops by morning made it a relative bargain.

The next night, Saturday, I fell asleep (Jet Lag), woke up at 2 am, could not sleep, headed to Wan Chai, dropped in at the Galaxy and headed out with a hottie for $500 HKD short term and got the best bbj I have had in a long time.

So, the Philippina mommas have realized that $1500 HKD for long time in the HK market is not sustainable.

Hk Dog
10-23-07, 01:48
. Yes free. The Thai girl that goes by Kea stayed with me overnight. The only thing that I paid for was food and taxi cab. . . .. She has friends in HKG. English was bad with both. In fact, her friends did some translation for me. Maybe I had girls over me because their were few African American males in the club. I don't know. I don't care. .


Absolute bullshit. If you couldn't communicate with the girl then how do you know if she was asking for money??

You don't understand the Asian culture and things such as loss of face etc etc. As I said before, I have heard this story many times about tourists not paying the girls.

What is the poor girl supposed to do? She feels it is her fault since the groundrules weren't established. Especially an inexperienced girl, she will bite the bullet and take the loss herself. I have seen them cry in recounting their 'tourist' stories to me.

How do I know it is true in your case?? It may sound racist but I have yet to find a Thai girl that likes African American men. That is a fact and while I grew up in the states and have many black friends, the Thai's are incredibly racist in this area. They avoid African Americans unless they know them as friends of friends.

I have personally seen hundreds of Thai women run away from African Americans in Neptunes and I always feel bad since that racism is a unfortunate trait of Thai's.

So yes in your mind you were lucky but in reality in her mind she was unlucky.(The fact that you believe she works in a hotel in Thailand and is here for fun is the first sign of your distortion of reality).

Also, the Japanese thing is another bullshit. She was most likely one of the 2 old Chinese hags they allow to enter into Neptunes.

Hk Dog
10-23-07, 01:51
Just for the record, I have had a periodic freebie from Neptunes, Fenwicks and particularly Laguna. .


How many have been Thai?? Flippers are a completely different story. Laguna on Sundays is a no brainer for freebies for Indo's.

Neptunes on a Monday for a freebie Thai on first meet? That I have to question.

Rick Hunter
10-23-07, 04:21
You are right some of the mammasans have been trying to raise the prices. They have not been successful. It's like in P. Burgos in Manila when business was down and they tried to jack up the prices and then business was down even more.

One of the larger import operations in Wan Chai will not even bring any of the girls that they have previously brought into Wan Chai as they try to establish higher prices. I was chatting with one girl last night who came by herself to Hong Kong as she had previously been brought over a couple times by this operation. She had a little bit of a problem scrapping up the "show money" but is loving it her without an agent. She is making so much more money for herself as she does not have an agent cutting into her earnings.

I do not expect the mammasans will be able to move the market upward so dramatically as there is too much competition from Thais, freelancers, maids. A number of girls went home over the last quarter in pretty bad spirits as they got very little business by having to stick to the prices their mammasans were asking them to get. While Wan Chai is one of the more expensive places to monger in Hong Kong if you try to charge more than the regular Wan Chai market price you are not going to get much business. There is just too much competition for oligopoly pricing to come into play. It is nice that at least a few industries in Hong Kong are free from collusion and oligopoly forces.



For a few months, it seemed as all the managers (mammas) of the new Philippa girls in Wan Chai wanted to standardize the pricing at $1500 HKD for all night and $1000 HKD for ST. For the first time ever, I had girls unwilling to negotiate for a period of about four months over the summer. As a result, I tended to hit the Thai and Indo girls more often as well as the periodic Chinese girl.

It seems that revenue was down as one girl told me over the weekend and the Philippina girls are once again a bit more independent - outside of Fenwicks. Had one from Laguna this past weekend that was kind of a newbie and inexperienced but willing to please. She asked $1500. She read the look on my face and said I was a nice guy and $1000 would do. It was only 6 pm and this was for all night, so I did not even bother to negotiate more. 4 pops by morning made it a relative bargain.

The next night, Saturday, I fell asleep (Jet Lag), woke up at 2 am, could not sleep, headed to Wan Chai, dropped in at the Galaxy and headed out with a hottie for $500 HKD short term and got the best bbj I have had in a long time.

So, the Philippina mommas have realized that $1500 HKD for long time in the HK market is not sustainable.

BJK
10-23-07, 14:35
In regard to Thai freebies and Asian culture in general...

I would have to agree with the posters that Johnjohnjr2000 experience was probably not a genuine freebie but a WG who had expected payment in the morning.

One of the delights of mongering in Wan Chai is happening on the occansional sweet young thing in one of the bars. A few drinks, a dance, talk and onto an invitation to stay the night. You have her total attention,soak up her compliments and generally feel like an invigorated younger man. If no money is mentioned from her side, why ruin the atmosphere. After all you know she is a WG and know the standard rates but it is nice to have an illusion of a GF, so don't taint it with money talk. This all works out fine, just slip you the correct fee in the morning.

Unfortunately this scenario is not always the case. Sometime a girl who seems very sweet in the bar, turns aggressive about payment and extras, short cutting the service and the time. A real bummer if you have invested time and money in Wan Chai rather than a quick fix in a yellow sign or 141.

Many of the sweet girls turn hard due to bad experiences in the past. Some like Johnjohnjr2000 are mistakes (not doubt lack of experience on both sides) others are mongers who just don't care.

If like me you like the GFE try to positively reinforce this type of experience for the girl so she is happy to oblige next time. For Asian girls you will find they don't always communicate their needs and wants directly. You have to read the signals and respond appropriately. If nothing else being in a bar in Wan Chai apart from on Sunday is a sure sign a girl is expecting payment, exceptions might be a domestic helper or a girl who buys her own drinks (extremely rare) or at least does not ask for "lady drinks" such as Marguerita.
I have had dozen of girls from Wan Chai without discussing payment first. I have also had a number of freebies. In almost all cases the morning transaction was smooth, appreciated and expected. In one case a DH was expecting shopping whereas I assumed was free with dinner, and another asked for $500 more than I had given which was sorted out amicably without further exchange.

Anyway in summary if the girl does not appear like a hardened pro, try not to make her into one by fulfilling your side of the deal

BJK

Hk Dog
10-24-07, 10:08
I know it was her because she was my only working girl partner for 3 weeks. I only have one non-WG partner who I know is clean. And THANK GOD I haven't fucked her this week, the shit sure would have hit the fan!

This is why I always say have fun and STAY SAFE.
Johnny Rocket.


I noticed you posted on oct 6th about having a DATY,BBBJ session with a 141 girl. It is entirely possible she gave it to you since it may take up to 30 days for symptoms to appear.

"The fact sheet from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) states, "Many men with gonorrhea may have no symptoms at all, some men have some signs or symptoms that appear two to five days after infection; symptoms can take as long as 30 days to appear. Symptoms and signs include a burning sensation when [CodeWord112] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112), or a white, yellow, or green discharge from the penis. Sometimes men with gonorrhea get painful or swollen testicles."

Johnny Rocket
10-24-07, 19:31
Guys, to answer your questions and comments:

Eye Spy, yes I did do BBBJ as well as DATY. My dick touched her pussy outside and lips briefly but did not enter her.

HK Dog: You are right, it certainly could take up to a month to appear. But, that is a relatively rare case. The doctor I saw confirmed that the 2-5 day incubation was by far the most likely scenario.

Gyaos: I speak Cantonese better than any foreigner I know, but not well enough to go in to 37D and explain what happened. I wonder what their reaction to it would be even if I did. My guess would be denial.

I have finished my course of antibiotics and all seems clean. In a few days there should be no doubt. Thankfully.

As it happens I'll be either hosting visitors, out of town or just too damn busy over the next few weeks, so this is a good time for me to take a break. But I'll be back to P4P a bit later and I will still be on the board, chiming in as necessary.

Take care guys. Have fun and stay safe!!
Johnny Rocket

Traveller08
10-25-07, 12:16
Hello to all,

During my upcoming Trip I am interested in meeting a hot Russian girl in Hong Kong.
Another Question: are there Erotic Shows or Striptease in Hong Kong?

I know, there are more Asian girls, but as I will proceed to Thailand I prefer the diversity.

Hk Dog
10-26-07, 01:42
Hello to all,

During my upcoming Trip I am interested in meeting a hot Russian girl in Hong Kong.
Another Question: are there Erotic Shows or Striptease in Hong Kong?

I know, there are more Asian girls, but as I will proceed to Thailand I prefer the diversity.


For that flavour you have to take the 1hr ferry to Macau. There you will find Russian girls. However I wouldn't call them 'hot' but if you really want then you can imagine they are.

Member #2634
10-26-07, 04:00
Decided to try out the 141 route and say that near to my service apartment, there was this buidling with 6 hotties. Went to 5th floor and rang the bell. This PRC girl with apparently not too large tits opened and welcomed me in. No english but a friendly welcoming attitude.
Lotsa kissing including toungue started even before the shower and I think to myself, man I seem to be in the right place. The shower was good too with lotsa BJ action. That's when I noticed that my impression about her tits was wrong. They were a handful, just about the right size. We retired to the bed with a world class BBJ. I insisted on returning the favour and we got into a 69 position. I experimented with a finger in the ass to which there was no objection!
We started with her riding me and making all the right sounds. Curiosity got the better of me and I pointed to doggy style with the ass as a preference. The babe readily agreed, put some KY jelly on and held my dick to guide to her ass.
Guys this was a smoothest ride I have had in a long time as a matter of fact, the last one like this was in Shenzhen at the ShangriLa about 18 months ago.
Her ass contractions were so good that I popped a load in barely 5 mins. She insisted that i stay the whole hour and gave me a great BJ to make me pop my 2nd load.
All in all a definite repeat. Oh and the relevant details are
5th Floor, Hing Loong building, Opp cosco tower. Girl is called Kai sai and damages were HK$400. TOTALLY WORTH IT.

Hk Dog
10-26-07, 05:11
Decided to try out the 141 route and say that near to my service apartment, there was this buidling with 6 hotties. Went to 5th floor and rang the bell. This PRC girl with apparently not too large tits opened and welcomed me in. No english but a friendly welcoming attitude.
Lotsa kissing including toungue started even before the shower and I think to myself, man I seem to be in the right place. The shower was good too with lotsa BJ action. That's when I noticed that my impression about her tits was wrong. They were a handful, just about the right size. We retired to the bed with a world class BBJ. I insisted on returning the favour and we got into a 69 position. I experimented with a finger in the ass to which there was no objection!
We started with her riding me and making all the right sounds. Curiosity got the better of me and I pointed to doggy style with the ass as a preference. The babe readily agreed, put some KY jelly on and held my dick to guide to her ass.
Guys this was a smoothest ride I have had in a long time as a matter of fact, the last one like this was in Shenzhen at the ShangriLa about 18 months ago.
Her ass contractions were so good that I popped a load in barely 5 mins. She insisted that i stay the whole hour and gave me a great BJ to make me pop my 2nd load.
All in all a definite repeat. Oh and the relevant details are
5th Floor, Hing Loong building, Opp cosco tower. Girl is called Kai sai and damages were HK$400. TOTALLY WORTH IT.


That girl goes by various names. I believe on the 141 sites she calls herself Pan Dan. Personally I tried her about 3 yrs ago when she was working on Mercer St and I thought she was a few yrs past her sell by date back then.

Warning! There are rumors on another website about her in that she steals money from your wallet when you aren't looking so be careful.

Eye Spy
10-27-07, 05:14
Guys, to answer your questions and comments:

Eye Spy, yes I did do BBBJ as well as DATY. My dick touched her pussy outside and lips briefly but did not enter her.

As it happens I'll be either hosting visitors, out of town or just too damn busy over the next few weeks, so this is a good time for me to take a break. But I'll be back to P4P a bit later and I will still be on the board, chiming in as necessary.

Take care guys. Have fun and stay safe!

Johnny Rocket Do you think you will go back to 37 Dundass? For me it is too hard to resist.

Member #2634
10-27-07, 06:15
Actually dan dan is on the 6th floor. Tried her too. Not too good though.


That girl goes by various names. I believe on the 141 sites she calls herself Pan Dan. Personally I tried her about 3 yrs ago when she was working on Mercer St and I thought she was a few yrs past her sell by date back then.

Warning! There are rumors on another website about her in that she steals money from your wallet when you aren't looking so be careful.

Hk Dog
10-29-07, 02:30
Actually dan dan is on the 6th floor. Tried her too. Not too good though.


You sure? I'll take your word for it, but the 2 sites (****** and 161sex) have Dan Dan on the 5th floor.

Hk Dog
10-29-07, 06:02
hong kong (dpa) - a 20-year-old filipino woman has been arrested
following the death of two us businessmen allegedly given a ``date
[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)'' drug in a luxury hong kong hotel, a report said monday.
the woman was arrested hours after richard victor, 51, and paul
cherry, 45, were found with white froth coming from their mouths in a
room of the 600 us dollar-a-night grand hyatt hotel on friday.
the two men are understood to have visited a number of ``girlie''
bars in the notorious wan chai red light district before their deaths
and to have returned to their hotel with two women, the hong kong
standard reported.
the filipino woman, who had overstayed her visa, was arrested eight
hours after the discovery of the men's bodies after police studied
closed circuit television footage from the hotel, the newspaper said.
it was not clear if the woman was being held in connection with the
killings but the newspaper said the men returned to the hotel before
their deaths with one blonde woman and one thai or filipino woman.
police are understood to be investigating whether the two men died
after being given lethal doses of the ``date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)'' drug
flunitrazepam, or rohypnol in a botched robbery.
there was no sign of injuries on the men or ransacking in the room
and one was found slumped partially on a chair while the other man was
found dead on a bed.
a number of men have been robbed with the use of the drug in hong
kong in recent years, usually after picking up prostitutes from bars
in the city's wan chai nightclub strip.
in most cases, the drug is slipped into a drink and victims report
visiting bars and then waking up to find they have lost large sums of
money with no recollection of what happened.
in 2003, a senior finnish policeman died of a heart attack in hong
kong's island shangri-la hotel after being administered with the drug.
the chinese prostitute suspected of giving him the drug was never
traced.

FurryFriend
10-29-07, 12:06
I regret to report that virtually all 141s in National Court, once the mecca of 141 activity in Kowloon, have been closed.

When I was in Hong Kong six months ago, 80% of the rooms in National Court were rented to the 200+ providers working there. Today, there were only 10-15 remaining.

Neuromancer
10-30-07, 18:25
I regret to report that virtually all 141s in National Court, once the mecca of 141 activity in Kowloon, have been closed.

When I was in Hong Kong six months ago, 80% of the rooms in National Court were rented to the 200+ providers working there. Today, there were only 10-15 remaining.Thanks for the update. Haven't been in a while since I figured that the whole crackdown (Buddhist chants, checking IDs at the lobby), would reduce the number of visitors, hence providers (business downturn, plenty of good alternative working locations). Hope the other homeowners don't follow National Court's lead.

Of course, you can just walk across the street to New Lucky House. Looks like the owners and providers there are the big winners.

Neuromancer
10-30-07, 18:28
hong kong (dpa). a 20-year-old filipino woman has been arrested following the death of two us businessmen allegedly given a ''date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)'' drug in a luxury hong kong hotel, a report said monday.

the woman was arrested hours after richard victor, 51, and paul cherry, 45, were found with white froth coming from their mouths in a room of the 600 us dollar-a-night grand hyatt hotel on friday.

the two men are understood to have visited a number of ''girlie'' bars in the notorious wan chai red light district before their deaths and to have returned to their hotel with two women, the hong kong standard reported.

the filipino woman, who had overstayed her visa, was arrested eight hours after the discovery of the men's bodies after police studied closed circuit television footage from the hotel, the newspaper said.

it was not clear if the woman was being held in connection with the killings but the newspaper said the men returned to the hotel before their deaths with one blonde woman and one thai or filipino woman.

police are understood to be investigating whether the two men died after being given lethal doses of the ''date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)'' drug flunitrazepam, or rohypnol in a botched robbery.

there was no sign of injuries on the men or ransacking in the room and one was found slumped partially on a chair while the other man was found dead on a bed.

a number of men have been robbed with the use of the drug in hong kong in recent years, usually after picking up prostitutes from bars in the city's wan chai nightclub strip.

in most cases, the drug is slipped into a drink and victims report visiting bars and then waking up to find they have lost large sums of money with no recollection of what happened.

in 2003, a senior finnish policeman died of a heart attack in hong kong's island shangri-la hotel after being administered with the drug. the chinese prostitute suspected of giving him the drug was never traced. it's sort of curious, actually, that they found the flipper/thai provider so quickly but never found the chinese provider from 2003. wonder if they just randomly grabbed a reasonably similar looking flipper (re: video camera evidence) and nailed her for the deed. they didn't find the blonde woman after all.

hey, maybe this helps depress pricing in wan chai. there's a silver lining in every tragedy!

FurryFriend
10-31-07, 05:56
Felt horny so I went to the 8 Mong Kok YS as discussed in the last few posts. One thing to note is that there are a lot of 8 Mong Kok Streets, 8, 8A, 8B, etc all the way up to 8E as far as I saw, and some of them are separated by Portland Street. Very strange. The one you want is just 8. If you take the MTR to Mong Kok Station and take exit A2, turn right out of the exit, walk a block then cross Mong Kok St, you'll be close. In the entryway you'll see a yellow sign. Go up 2 flights of stairs and walk down the hallway, the entrance is on the left.


The directions above are mostly correct but potentially misleading. Once you cross Mongkok Road, you turn left immediately (not mentioned in the directions above). Because if you don't turn left and walk straight ahead, there is indeed a large yellow sign. But it's a sign for a seperate karaoke place.

So a more correct direction follows:

- Exit A2, Mongkok MTR station
- Turn right upon exiting
- Cross Mongkok Road
- Turn left immediately after crossing
- After a few paces, look for white sign with blue chinese characters. Enter that entryway.

I had my first experience there and will post a report next week after I leave Hong Kong. I may return to the place later this week and don't want the papasan to remember me from an internet posting. I know for a fact that he reads them. In general, the place is everything described by previous posters.

Beijing Lover
10-31-07, 06:58
Another US aircraft carrier is coming to town this weekend.
Expect the worse in Wan Chai with all those hungry sailors looking for sex.

Uncle Goober
10-31-07, 23:29
Another US aircraft carrier is coming to town this weekend.
Expect the worse in Wan Chai with all those hungry sailors looking for sex.And a second carrier group will come later in November.

Two lots of fleet in the same month. The streets will be ankle deep in runny stuff.

FurryFriend
11-01-07, 07:08
Thanks for the update. Haven't been in a while since I figured that the whole crackdown (Buddhist chants, checking IDs at the lobby), would reduce the number of visitors, hence providers (business downturn, plenty of good alternative working locations). Hope the other homeowners don't follow National Court's lead.

Of course, you can just walk across the street to New Lucky House. Looks like the owners and providers there are the big winners.

I've noticed a sharp increase in providers at New Lucky House and Foremost Building. But the increase is no where close to absorbing all the losses at National Court.

I hope there isn't a disturbing anti-141 trend in the city. I've noticed Fook Kiu Building in TST, one of my favorites, also has a lot of empty rooms. I think illegal immigrant sweeps are having a negative impact on the industry. On many doors at Fook Kiu, it says "HK gal" -- perhaps alerting authorities that it isn't occupied by an illegal mainlander.

Furthermore, as we get closer to the 2008 Olympic Games, there may be added pressure to clean up vice. The Equestrian events are being held in Hong Kong.

The big 141 complexes in Causeway Bay were as busy as usual.

King Leonidis
11-01-07, 23:08
Firstly guys this is one of the most informative sites I have read. Keep it coming.
Can any one tell me if there will be any US carrier or ships coming to Hong Kong between the 11th - 18th of November. Obviously I will be there during that time and could not think of anything worse than having to compete with the Navy Boys. Any information would be really helpful.

Gyaos
11-01-07, 23:24
Another US aircraft carrier is coming to town this weekend. Expect the worse in Wan Chai with all those hungry sailors looking for sex.

Anyone know which one it is?

Gyaos.

Beijing Lover
11-02-07, 02:48
Anyone know which one it is?

Gyaos.

USS Essex!

Cleaning Boy
11-02-07, 12:53
Firstly guys this is one of the most informative sites I have read. Keep it coming.

Can any one tell me if there will be any US carrier or ships coming to Hong Kong between the 11th - 18th of November. Obviously I will be there during that time and could not think of anything worse than having to compete with the Navy Boys. Any information would be really helpful.Easy, just take a 45 minute ride into mainland, like Shenzhen, and you can get all you want and not ever have to worry about seeing any U.S. military at anytime. (they can't go there).

Undercoverh
11-03-07, 17:44
Easy, just take a 45 minute ride into mainland, like Shenzhen, and you can get all you want and not ever have to worry about seeing any U.S. military at anytime. (they can't go there).


I agree, also hotels and girls in Shenzhen is way cheaper than Hong Kong. Check out the Shenzhen post for details. I am always amazed that tourist guys pay big bucks for sex on Hong Kong island and Tsim Sha Tsui, especially from Flips and Thai girls. Sex with these girls is dirt cheap in their own country.

Also, lots of these girls are always trying to scam you, just think of the deaths that have taken place over the past several years with tourist guys picking up girls from the Wan Chai and TST area--it's no joke.

One may think it is not a problem to pick up girls in these areas. But think for a moment, here you are paying HK$500, 1,000, 1,500 or more for sex. In their country, this would feed a family for several months. What they get paid (overpriced) for one sex session, it would take them 1 to 2 months to earn (working a regular job) in their country. When you pay big bucks for sex, these girls think you are RICH! Of course these dirt poor girls are going to try to steal it from you, I would too if I was in their shoes.

It's like having a table full of food and throwing a hungry man some bread, of course he is going to try to steal food from you when you are not looking, or even kill you for all of it. This is human nature.

Jayson420
11-03-07, 18:41
I agree, also hotels and girls in Shenzhen is way cheaper than Hong Kong. Check out the Shenzhen post for details. I am always amazed that tourist guys pay big bucks for sex on Hong Kong island and Tsim Sha Tsui, especially from Flips and Thai girls. Sex with these girls is dirt cheap in their own country. 1. Most visitors to HK probably dont have required chinese visas to get into china. I do and agree with your assesment and love it in Shenzhen.

2. Only mainlander chinese there. No ethnic variety that HK has.


One may think it is not a problem to pick up girls in these areas. But think for a moment, here you are paying HK$500, 1,000, 1,500 or more for sex. In their country, this would feed a family for several months. What they get paid (overpriced) for one sex session, it would take them 1 to 2 months to earn (working a regular job) in their country. I know basic factory workers in china get about 1600RMB a month.

Bob2103
11-04-07, 05:14
Since discovering this place on the forum, I can't stay away! For about four times in a row, I had Shon-Shon. She's a bit taller than the other girls, short hair, and nice set of curves. As my Chinese is about as good as her English, there was not a lot of verbal exchange, but I did gather that she is from Beijing. Anyway, she does a masterful job in the shower, a fantastic BBBJ, and rubbing her crack with my soaped up dick almost caused me to drop my load there and then. Onto the bed with lots of kissing and hugging, and she turned me over for the rimming and worked REAL hard to get her tongue as far into my ass as possible. Back into the 69 position and I tried to reciprocate with my tongue was well as covering every other place in her crotch. On with the condom, and very spirited fucking in the three basic positions, and in doggy style, she even took it in the ass a bit, which was surprising, but she seemed to really enjoy it. We were still coupled when the phone rang it's 10-minute warning, and again 10 minutes later. We scrambled to shower and get dressed. Highly recommended!

Bob

Lexito
11-04-07, 14:31
Do the ladies from Fenwick or Neptune provide the condoms when you take them to your room. Or is it better to prepare and take them with you on the trip?

Thanks

Undercoverh
11-04-07, 17:35
1. Most visitors to HK probably dont have required chinese visas to get into china. I do and agree with your assesment and love it in Shenzhen.

2. Only mainlander chinese there. No ethnic variety that HK has.

I know basic factory workers in china get about 1600RMB a month.


Good points. My x-girlfriend (20 y.o.) on Cebu island in the Philippines made (with the exchange rate) U.S.$1.50 A DAY working at McDonald's. The McDonald's in Thailand pays about a little more based on what my friends there told me, (with the exchange rate) U.S.$1.80.

When a sex tourist in the Wan Chai bar pays a girl HK$1,000 for sex for ST, it would have taken that Flip girl 86 days to make the same amount of money working at a regular job in PI (e.g., McDonald's).

I realize that a few guys will be angry with me for bring up the point they are paying way too much for sex in certain parts of HK. Especially when you consider how cheap Thai and Flip girls are in there own country. Of course, it is their money and it is none of my business what they do with it.

And sure, if they want to throw their money around as tourist and become targets (just like the two that were killed a few weeks ago), this too is none of my business. I only provide this information for those who are interested and want to learn the ropes of HK.

Where to find cheap and good sex in HK? Simple, go where the locals go. Mong kok, Prince Edward, Yau Ma Tei, Sham Shui Po, the info is listed on the 141s web sites. Also, the Yellow Signs in Mong Kok, and who can forget 37 Dundas!

Gatelodge
11-04-07, 21:14
I regret to report that virtually all 141s in National Court, once the mecca of 141 activity in Kowloon, have been closed.

When I was in Hong Kong six months ago, 80% of the rooms in National Court were rented to the 200+ providers working there. Today, there were only 10-15 remaining.That's a pity as those 141 girls are great.

Are the security guys still checking the IDs of people entering these 141 houses?

DayNight
11-05-07, 02:33
hong kong (dpa) - a 20-year-old filipino woman has been arrested following the death of two us businessmen allegedly given a ``date
[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)'' drug in a luxury hong kong hotel, a report said monday.......

this drugging goes on for a few years. in 2003 a finnish visitor died of an overdose. the police has a few 100 reports of suspected druggings in wanchai. since most will not report it the actual number must be in the 1000's.

some time last year (i think it was) canadian air forbid its staff to go to certain places in wanchai because of a few drugging cases there.

this drugging does not take place in the room, it happens usually in the bar and you will stay awake, but easily influenced. a girl will probably go with you to the nearest atm and withdraw the maximum possible amount.

there was a big artvle about in yesterdays sunday morning post, i will scan it one of these days.

FreebieFan
11-05-07, 08:47
Yeah we all get a little antsy when we see them in town but really the only thing we gotta worry about is that the bars get a litlte fuller.

Firstly most of the Filipinas won't go with Navy guys due to colour.

Second, mny of the working girls know for sure these guys don't have a lot of money and they arent going to spend it on girls. Basic pay in the military isn't high.

Third. These guys have a strong rep for not paying for services provided. These guys tend to stay ten to a room. And guess what. When they pulll a girl to the hotel its well known they all want a bit. These girls don't want to go there.

So yeah. We all hate our bars crowded with guys with shorts 34 sizes too big for them and oversized shoes the size of bulldozers. But they don't mess up the female scene.

The World
11-05-07, 17:08
Do the ladies from Fenwick or Neptune provide the condoms when you take them to your room. Or is it better to prepare and take them with you on the trip?

Thanks

From previous experience it seems some do and some don't. However the 7-1 1 isn't too far away.

Apac Man
11-05-07, 18:36
Do the ladies from Fenwick or Neptune provide the condoms when you take them to your room. Or is it better to prepare and take them with you on the trip?

ThanksDear Lexito,

weather or not the girls carry condom or not, condoms are dime a dozen at every 7-11 stores throughout HK and most, if not, all 7-11 are open 24/7.

If I recall from what I've read on the forum, girls do NOT carry condom because if they get stopped by police and their purse is searched, that is some sort of proof that they working girls and not tourists as they should be.

W

Jayson420
11-06-07, 02:23
Do the ladies from Fenwick or Neptune provide the condoms when you take them to your room. Or is it better to prepare and take them with you on the trip?

ThanksI always buy the Okamoto "Crowns"

http://www.okamotousa.com/htmls/crown.htm

They are about $18HKD for 3 pack. And they are super thin. Feel almost like nothing is on. And I have not had any break yet. Although I did lose one in a KTV chick in shenzhen since I only rolled it on half way. LOL. My bad.

Intransit
11-06-07, 04:48
Looks like the girls involved in the Hyatt incident were out of Club Showbiz.

That's correct on the Navy--those guys don't spend any money and as such the bar scene in Wanchai is fairly safe.

DayNight
11-06-07, 05:40
Looks like the girls involved in the Hyatt incident were out of Club Showbiz.

In August 2006 British Airways banned staff from visiting a popular Wan
Chai bar because of "a few cases" of staff beiing drugged there. However, the bar was not named.

I suggest you take only as much cash as you need and leave your cards at home.

Rick Hunter
11-06-07, 07:13
i will clear up a few points that have been raised:

1) the guys who died in the hyatt it turns out were neither drugged or robbed. they did bring a couple girls back to their room from wan chai but they died of a cocaine and heroin overdose or it was a bad batch. sorry i do not do drugs so i do not know the right terminology.

2) the bar that some airlines have banned their staff from going to is dusk till dawn. in the past it has been very popular with pilots and stewardesses. i have not been there for a few years. there have been many stories and rumours of some of the thai girls who hang out there drugging people and robbing them. it is the one bar in wan chai i do not go to. as the owner of it passed away earlier this year perhaps it will clean up. their establishments in lan kwai fong (insomnia) and knutsford steps (all night long) are much better. i always thought it was a weird place as it was the only place in wan chai full of lots of western men and women and lots of hookers.

3) another part of the wan chai scene that i do not partake in that a word of warning should go out on is there are also many stories and rumours that some of the ladyboys from thailand that visit and hang out by delany's drug and rob people.

3) very few factory workers in china get rmb1,600 per month. most foreign firms pay between rmb800 to rmb1,200 per month and these are the rates around the pearl river and yangtze delta. office staff tend to get rmb1,500 to rmb5,000 depending on the location and job. office workers in large centres like shenzhen and shanghai can get more.

4) as for pricing in wan chai i wrote a much longer report about it previously but if you want a flipper or thai to be imported, serve you in english and be in the high rent district then expect to pay more. on a tuesday night on the way home from the office i may want to get laid and do not have the time to fly overseas and may not want the hassle of going to kowloon. i could save a lot of money living in sham tsui po but yet i still choose to have my residence on hong kong island. that does not mean that people should pay stupid amounts in wan chai. i have a regular lined up for tonight after work who is 23, petite, great body who is fantastic in the sack and up for anything who i will do three times and i usually give her $400-500 plus buy her a couple real drinks (not commission drinks) in a bar in wan chai.

5) while our police force in hong kong is one of the best in the world there are a few areas in regards to law enforcement that should be changed. one regards condoms. girls carrying condoms can have that used as evidence that they are working here and not tourists although usually the cops just scare them into admitting that they are working if they have a condom on them. i think it is sad as health and disease prevention should be more important to the cops. most of the short time hotels in hong kong provide condoms but i always go to 7-11 as i trust 7-11 significantly more.

6) much has been written on the navy previously on the boards but generally speaking those of us who live here dislike it when the navy comes to town, they are noisy, harass the girls, fill up the bars and cause a lot of girls not to go out. i tend to avoid wan chai whenever the navy is in town and either go kowloon side or do what i am doing tonight and having a wan chai girl meet me elsewhere. the ripoff girlie bars tend to do well when the navy is in town but they ensure that they get paid.

7) here is the article from the south china morning post on sunday
44 foreign men report drugging in wan chai

barclay crawford
updated on nov 04, 2007
police have revealed that 44 foreign men have reported being drugged and robbed by sex workers in wan chai's bar district since 2004.
but they believe the figures could be much higher as many do not report the crime out of embarrassment or because they have left the city by the time they realise it.

there have been no confirmed reports of date-[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) drugs such as rohypnol or gamma hydroxybutyrate (ghb) being used during the crimes.

but the spokesman said the victims all reported similar stories, which suggested "some type of date-[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) drugs had been used".

"since 2004, wan chai district police have recorded 44 theft cases in which the victims - mostly foreign nationals - were approached by sex workers while they were having drinks in bars," the spokesman said.

"some victims couldn't remember much and would only make reports days or weeks after the event when they received their bank statements and confirmed unexplained withdrawals via atms.

"other victims discovered cash and other valuables missing when they awoke in their hotel or short-stay motel room."


police said they were tackling the problem by educating bar owners, checking they were properly licensed and making their presence known in the area.

joint operations with immigration department officers which targeted sex workers were also conducted regularly.

since 2004, 496 foreign sex workers on visitors' visas have been arrested for breaking the terms of their stay. of these, 310 were charged with offences including prostitution and theft.

british airways banned staff from visiting a popular late-night bar in wan chai last year after several crew members were allegedly slipped a date-[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) drug.

rohypnol and ghb are tasteless and colourless, and sufficient doses erase the victim's memory of events which occur while they are under the influence.

they depress the central nervous and respiratory systems, and if a dose is too big, it can lead to memory loss, coma and even death.

Rick Hunter
11-06-07, 09:09
drugged and ripped off: welcome to wan chai
a few drinks with friends can turn into a potentially lethal nightmare
nick gentle
updated on nov 04, 2007
it was a typical friday night not so long ago that james (not his real name) rolled into a wan chai bar to celebrate the end of the week with a few friends. a couple of hours went by and, like most people there, he was living it up, drinking, dancing and carrying on with his friends. all of a sudden, however, he felt like he'd probably had about six drinks too many. "i just kind of went, `my god, i feel really, really drunk ... i've gotta go'," he says.
from that point, his memories are hazy. he says he remembers being in a taxi and a woman getting in alongside him. he told her to get out, but she refused. the next thing he knew, he woke up in the taxi as it was barrelling down gloucester road. he sensed some time had passed and that something was very wrong.

"i was pretty sure i'd been ripped off," says james, who has heard of similar things happening to other people. "i remember being really angry and shouting at the girl and the taxi driver to stop and let me out. as i was getting out, the girl stopped me and said, `you forgot your wallet' and handed it over to me. i knew then that i had been robbed, but i thought it was probably just what was in my wallet at the time; maybe hk$500 or so."

it was only the following day, after waking up feeling "not just hung over, but groggy", that james discovered hk$20,000 missing from his bank account.

"now that i think of it, i can kind of remember being at the atm with the girl, who was hiding her face, and her telling me what to get. i know when i saw how much came out i freaked out."

but between that and waking up in the taxi ... nothing.

james is sure he was drugged by someone spiking his drink at the bar. he is one of a steadily growing number of expatriates who have fallen victim to gangs of thieves using drugs to sedate and then rob their well-heeled targets.

in recent years, the sunday morning post has received numerous anecdotal reports of this practice taking place. since 2004, police headquarters in wan chai have recorded a total of 44 theft cases in which the victims (mostly foreign nationals) were drugged by sex workers they met in bars. however, the real figure is almost certainly much greater, because the offence generally goes unreported to police, as in james' case.

"there are a lot of reasons why people don't report such things," one police source says. number one among those reasons is embarrassment.

whether it is drunkenly signing a hugely inflated credit card bill, being drugged and robbed, or forced to hand over money to a prostitute who is threatening to scream "[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)", the source says that a big question for the victim was: "how am i going to explain that to my wife?"

the victims range from tourists to top lawyers and are often successful professionals. the minuscule chance of actually getting their money back doesn't rate when compared with the potential hassles associated with admitting they had somehow been duped by a bar girl into handing over either their pin or a thick wad of cash.

it is difficult for police to make investigating cases like james' a priority without a report being made, the source says.

"what's the point?" james asks. "i don't think i could recognise the girl in a lineup, and it was me who took the money out."

but more concerning than the fact that the crimes are going unreported, is the manner in which they are executed - people having potentially lethal drugs administered to them in an uncontrolled environment.

the two substances thought to be most commonly employed in drug-assisted robbery are the so-called date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) drugs - flunitrazepam (brand name rohypnol) and ghb (gamma hydroxybutyrate), also known as fantasy or liquid ecstasy.

both drugs are highly soluble, odourless, relatively tasteless and colourless, and work quickly to suppress the central nervous systems of people who ingest them.

ghb is particularly suited to this sort of crime because it occurs naturally in the body and is relatively easy to make. in fact, because the body makes it, all that needs to be done is for a person to ingest a precursor chemical that the body turns into ghb.

as it turns out, the chemical most commonly used for that purpose is a reagent found in many household cleaners. it can be bought in hong kong in bulk in 99.99 per cent pure form in quantities ranging from a single 500ml bottle to multiple 200kg drums.

a us department of justice report concluded that the incidence of ghb being used to facilitate crimes like [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) or robbery "is likely to be unreported or unsubstantiated because ghb is quickly eliminated from the body, making detection in body fluids unlikely. it's fast onset of depressant effects may render the victim with little memory of the details of the attack".

but memory loss is not the biggest risk with these sorts of drugs. mixed with other drugs such as alcohol or cocaine, their suppressing effect on the nervous and respiratory systems is exacerbated. this can lead to coma or death.

in january 2003, in hong kong's most high-profile case to date of a drugging gone wrong, the body of chief superintendent kari juhani koivuniemi, 45, of finland's ministry of the interior police department was discovered in his room at the island shangri-la. it was reported at the time that the cause of death was a heart attack brought about by a combination of flunitrazepam and alcohol. a young woman was seen entering the hotel with him, visiting an atm with him, and then leaving on her own about three hours before his body was discovered.

the police source hints that such incidents may be more common than reported, and that occasional, otherwise inexplicable deaths of young and healthy tourists in their hotel rooms may have a more sinister cause than heart failure.


in the meantime, the bars are still full and the good times continue to roll, although many men, like james, are now keeping a closer eye on their drinks, and the people around them.

"the thing is, i went down to wan chai to see my friends," james says. "i didn't go down there to get drugged."

Johnny Rocket
11-07-07, 05:26
Eye Spy, I probably will go back to 37D, but it will be a while as I don't have time right now and if perhaps the clap is circulating there I'll give it time to clear up.

Guys, it's embarrassing as hell, but you must report any STD you catch from a WG on the board. We can help prevent the spread. If anyone had caught it from Ada, then gone back and given it to another girl, then another guy sees that girl, and so on and so on... let's not let it happen.

As for the Olympics, there might be pressure to clean up the vice, but it will be counteracted by a flood of incoming WGs. Every time there's a huge event like the World Cup or a big convention, the WGs flood in because they know it will be a gold mine. I wouldn't worry too much about the well drying up.

Have fun and stay safe,
Johnny Rocket

Undercoverh
11-07-07, 05:26
For the newbies reading the reports below regarding the problems and confusion in the Wan Chai bar area and Fenwick types bars, are you starting to get the feeling Wan Chai is too much trouble to deal with? Add to this the tourist price for sex, which is way, way, way overpriced and you may conclude as I did many years ago, Wan Chai bar/sex outlets are a big waste of time.

Let's be clear about one fact, the Wan Chai bar scene is for sex tourist. Thus, the higher prices and rip-offs. Plus, many women see the men in these bars as targets. Why take a trip half way around the world to have trouble in a girlie bar....it is not worth it.

Also, another fact is the locals do NOT hang-out in the Wan Chai bars and there is a good reason for this. Which is, the local Chinese guys have known for years the Wn Chai bar area for girls is a rip-off. It always has been, and it always will be.

Ok, I am sure some guys will disagree with what I have written and that is fine. They love the bars there and are happy to pay HK$1,000 or more for ST. I mainly provide this information for the newbies who are trying to make an informed decision about where to spend their time.

Hk Dog
11-07-07, 09:46
[QUOTE=Undercoverh]Also, another fact is the locals do NOT hang-out in the Wan Chai bars and there is a good reason for this. Which is, the local Chinese guys have known for years the Wn Chai bar area for girls is a rip-off. It always has been, and it always will be.

QUOTE]


I think the ShowBiz girls slipped something in your drinks!!!!

The locals don't hang out there?? Which locals?? The local Expat community practically lives there!

If you are talking about the go go bars in Wan Chai then you might have a point. But not the freelance bars. You are so way off on that point.

The local Chinese do not go there because they don't like dark skinned girls. Simple as that. They go to karoake bars and spend 3K and get nothing in return.

Web Connect
11-07-07, 11:28
Where is the best place to spend Chinese New Year?

Hong Kong?
Macau?
Shezhen?

Do more girls come to the city to party and work for the New Years?

or

Do they go back to their provinces to spend the holiday with their family?

Undercoverh
11-07-07, 15:40
[QUOTE=Undercoverh]Also, another fact is the locals do NOT hang-out in the Wan Chai bars and there is a good reason for this. Which is, the local Chinese guys have known for years the Wn Chai bar area for girls is a rip-off. It always has been, and it always will be.

QUOTE]


I think the ShowBiz girls slipped something in your drinks!!!!

The locals don't hang out there?? Which locals?? The local Expat community practically lives there!

If you are talking about the go go bars in Wan Chai then you might have a point. But not the freelance bars. You are so way off on that point.

The local Chinese do not go there because they don't like dark skinned girls. Simple as that. They go to karoake bars and spend 3K and get nothing in return.

Oh, funny joke about slipped something in my drink, I LOL for about 1/2 second. Your generally statement about "The local Expat community practically lives there!" is dead wrong. I am an informed Expat and I never go there. Also, I know other Expats, some go, some stay away. Therefore, your blanket statement is way off the mark.

And yes, I am talking bout the go go bars and the freelance bars. Go go bars are more of the rip off, I will agree with you on that point. However, the freelance bars are way over priced for sex. If you think you are getting a good deal for sex at these places, by all means, continue to go there.

Again, your generalization about a group is way off the mark. What...you say, "Chinese do not go there because they don't like dark skinned girls. Simple as that." Are you Chinese? Well, I am 1/2 ABC Chinese so I know from personnel experience your statement is not only misinformed, wrong, but also full of sh_ _. Sorry, I take offense to the statement you made. My uncle in Kunming (white skinned Chinese man) is married to a dark skinned Chinese woman.

In addition, as you may know, there are yellow sign places in Mong kok that offer Flip and Thai girls. Who do you think are going to these places, certainly not mostly tourist, it is mostly local Chinese guys going there and enjoying a dark skinned women. Again, your statement is not based on fact.

Some guys from other countries come to HK, China, etc., pay too much to bang Asian women, eat some Asian food, sample some of the local Asian beer, stay too long in the country, and they think this makes them an expert on Chinese culture.....well it does not. I could go on, but I think I have said enough on the subject.

You also stated "they go to karoake bars and spend 3K and get nothing in return." Gee, this is sad how you write about something you know nothing about. Sure, we Chinese and HK guys are so stupid, we go to clubs, pay 3k, get drunk, and getting nothing in return....we do this time and time again...not knowing we should go to the freelance bars where the the Expats hang out where we can finally have sex...LOL. Again, your statement shows you know nothing about HK local sex outlets for the locals and informed Expats.

Fast Eddie 48
11-08-07, 00:42
Where is the best place to spend Chinese New Year?

Hong Kong?
Macau?
Shezhen?

Do more girls come to the city to party and work for the New Years?

or

Do they go back to their provinces to spend the holiday with their family?Webconexxeion,

Chinese new year is the biggest holiday of the yr in China is when family and relative get together to share gift and dinner and most girl go home during this time and not a good time for mongering and you should stay home with your family.

Fast eddie 48

Hk Dog
11-08-07, 01:35
[QUOTE=Hk Dog]

Oh, funny joke about slipped something in my drink, I LOL for about 1/2 second. Your generally statement about "The local Expat community practically lives there!" is dead wrong. I am an informed Expat and I never go there. Also, I know other Expats, some go, some stay away. Therefore, your blanket statement is way off the mark.Lets just say if you are really a mongerer and steer people away from Wan Chai then life must have dealt you a poor deck in the financial arena.

Hk Dog
11-08-07, 01:51
[QUOTE=Hk Dog]Again, your generalization about a group is way off the mark. What...you say, "Chinese do not go there because they don't like dark skinned girls. Simple as that." Are you Chinese? Well, I am 1/2 ABC Chinese so I know from personnel experience your statement is not only misinformed, wrong, but also full of sh_ _. Sorry, I take offense to the statement you made. My uncle in Kunming (white skinned Chinese man) is married to a dark skinned Chinese woman.Well I hate to think what the other 1/2 of you is since I thought the Chinese were smart and you are a dolt.

I was being diplomatic but for thick bricks like you I'll spell it out. The local Chinese are racists when it comes to Filipina's and Thai's and any dark south east asian girl.

Undercoverh
11-08-07, 03:01
[QUOTE=Undercoverh]Well I hate to think what the other 1/2 of you is since I thought the Chinese were smart and you are a dolt.

I was being diplomatic but for thick bricks like you I'll spell it out. The local Chinese are racists when it comes to Filipina's and Thai's and any dark south east asian girl.Based on your last two post, I feel like I am discussing the subject of HK with a child (e.g., calling me names, etc.). When people revert to calling names, they do so because they have no ability to think logically and discuss a subject intelligently based on facts. In the future, I will not waste my time responding to any of your post directed towards me.........until you reach the age of at least 11.

Bob Builder
11-08-07, 03:56
Sex is cheaper in Mong Kok but it is wham bam. Lots of foreigners like to go to Wanchai cause you can have a beer and flirt with the gals even if you have no intention of shagging them. Most guys just don't walk into a bar, pick a gal and go out for a quickie. And they speak English. There are now a lot more older Chinese guys going to places like Neptune for a drink.

As for what guys spend at a KTV. I know guys that are wealthy enough that they will book a private room at a KTV to play pool and drink whre there is a minimum charge of $15k and not take the hostesses out at all. But for them $15k is like spending $100, so how is someone worth millions and has more money than you can shit, a dumbass. There are guys out there that will pay $100k for a night with a HK actress, and I am sue that she only has 1 pussy.

Rick Hunter
11-08-07, 04:55
there are many different places to go out and get laid in hong kong. all of them have their place in the market. pricing at them is a function of location, their target market, language of service, what services are provided and girls.

wan chai is not the most expensive area in hong kong rather the second most. the most expensive would be some of the nightclubs in east tsim tsa tsui (and the few hidden away in causewaybay). if you want service in english it is the best place to go. i am not saying you won't find service in english in other areas just that it will be more difficult.

if you have read my previous posts you will see that i play around in all areas of hong kong from 8 mong kok road to the high class nightclubs (i even wrote a lengthy set of instructions for how other expats can enjoy the high class night clubs and not be scared off by them). all have their place. i tend to go to wan chai the most as i live on hong kong island and i like chatting in english. the majority of times i go to wan chai i do not pick anyone up but am just out having drinks with buddies.

a few misconceptions that should be cleared up. lots of local expats hang out in wan chai and by expat i mean 100% gweilo (white western men). wan chai is not always overly friendly to other races.

i have taken a few chinese peers out before and showed them wan chai and they have been blown away but they don't feel comfortable going with out someone like me and prefer to stick to nightclubs or macau.

perhaps why undercoverth is so down on wan chai is he is half chinese and unfortunately a fair number of the girls are racist. also i recall reading that undercoverth saying he is quite proficient in cantonese so that makes it easier to access some other places that some people limited to just communicating in english will not try. (as an aside i imagine being an abc and mixed in hong kong makes it difficult to fit in as one is not really a local but not really an expat. the hardest people we find to keep in our office are 100% abc, cbc, etc as often they get frustrated and move back to us, oz, canada, uk. the combination of language skills and western education they bring is of tremendous value for employers).

saying to avoid wan chai because it is expensive and locals will not go there is like saying to avoid p. burgos in manila or soi 33 or soi cowboy in bangkok as most local thai will not go there. lots of the expats who live in bangkok visit those places.

wan chai is quite safe. (hong kong in general is exceedingly safe). there is the occassional thing that happens there but stuff happens anywhere there is pay-for-play. i would say in my experience mong kok has far more incidents but i feel very safe in mong kok as well.

if you are an english speaking tourist through town new to asia i would recommend wan chai as the first place to get acquainted with the scene here or if you are an expat making decent coin wan chai can be a fun place to hang out and occasionally pick up. for people with money to burn or on expense accounts the night clubs in east tst are an experience although the ones in macau are much better in my opinion. for the more adventurous 141, saunas and other *****houses in jordon through sham shui po can be a fun time.

oh since this originally started in saying how dumb expats are throwing money away in wan chai i just thought of something. there is a particular members only club in central where the girls are white women and it is significantly more expensive than wan chai. as any expat who has lived here for a while knows white women are real easy lays in hong kong as most of the expat men have yellow fever and are off chasing asian women so they are starved for attention and easy to get in the sack. despite that fact there are local men spending small fortunes at this particular venue. i can understand it as it is very difficult on average for them to get with white women so i do make fun of any of them for spending what in my opinion seems to be far more than they should.

Rick Hunter
11-08-07, 04:59
If you are looking for women during CNY I would suggest Thailand or the Philappines. Everyone goes home for CNY and spends time with family. It is like asking where would be good to go in the USA during Christmas. That does not mean the scene will be completely dead just much slower than normal. Wan Chai I imagine would be full of maids as there are so many off days and so many of their employers will be away on holiday. Macau might be busy as people may go there for holiday.


Where is the best place to spend Chinese New Year?

Hong Kong?
Macau?
Shezhen?

Do more girls come to the city to party and work for the New Years?

or

Do they go back to their provinces to spend the holiday with their family?

Hk Dog
11-08-07, 05:30
Well put Hunter on your Wan Chai expose. Lets just say diplomacy is not highly valued in my profession so I usually come off a bit direct.

I just can't believe Undercover is suggesting to a Newbie to avoid Wan Chai. I, like you, have done 99% of the sex scence in HK from the dirty filthy Mongkok brothels to the karoake where you spend 3K+ and get nothing. The local guys in my office despise Wan Chai for the reasons I described. They think they are above socializing with 'maids' or equivalents.

Imagine telling a Newbie that gets off a 20hr flight that they should head up to Mongkok for a 20 min wham bam and then go back to the hotel room? Most newbies want to have a good time which entails drinking, chatting and having a laugh. Perfect for Wan Chai scene and in fact the ONLY reason to discourage Wan Chai for a newbie is that it may totally distort their outlook on life and never go home


Part of the 1% scene which I don't partake in is what you also described. The 'white girl' market that the locals go nuts over. I remember a few yrs back I was set up with an English girl who was a model for one of the top international modelling companies in HK. I had absolutely no interest in her even though we got along ok and saw each other quite a bit. That would have been free for me (of course excluding the costs of normal 'courting'). However I have seen local Chinese guys pay 4-10K HKD to hideous looking white chicks in the 'hostess' bars in HK. Is that where the Newbies should be directed?

And let me make this very clear. The reason why Wan Chai has good value is I don't mind paying twice what I would pay in Mongkok or 141. In fact its cheap since at least I know if its relatively early in the night I know I will be the ONLY guy who plugged this girl today. Most girls are happy with one 'trick' per day in Wan Chai.

MKK, 141 etc you are going into territory where you share the pussy with possibly 10 other guys that day. For a guy who loves DATY and hygiene , Wan Chai is a bargain when you factor this in.

Hk Dog
11-08-07, 09:48
[QUOTE=Hk Dog]In addition, as you may know, there are yellow sign places in Mong kok that offer Flip and Thai girls. Who do you think are going to these places, certainly not mostly tourist, it is mostly local Chinese guys going there and enjoying a dark skinned women. Again, your statement is not based on fact.All you are doing is proving my point. Would you care to elaborate why the dark skinned girls in Mongkok are 1/2 the price of the white skinned? Its certainly not a 'supply' side issue but 100% demand side if you know anything about economics.

Web Connect
11-08-07, 11:50
Webconexxeion,

you should stay home with your family.

Fast eddie 48Thanks for the advice. But I don't have a family.

Web Connect
11-08-07, 11:57
If you are looking for women during CNY I would suggest Thailand or the Philappines. Everyone goes home for CNY and spends time with family. It is like asking where would be good to go in the USA during Christmas. That does not mean the scene will be completely dead just much slower than normal. Wan Chai I imagine would be full of maids as there are so many off days and so many of their employers will be away on holiday. Macau might be busy as people may go there for holiday.I can go to Thailand or Flipland 365 other days of the year. I really don't have any commitments or schedule to follow in my life so I can monger every day.

I like to see how different countries and cultures party. If I was to tell someone where to go in the US for Christmas or New Years I would say at least check out Times Square once in your life. The tree at Rockefeller Center and Times Square. But if freezing your ass off and being in big crowds is not your thing. They for sure Bourbon Street in New Orleans.

I am not into fu*king maids (you can read my other threads about that), but I don't mind parting with anyone looking to have a good time. I would like to check out fire works and just enjoy the festivities.

FurryFriend
11-08-07, 11:59
Well put Hunter on your Wan Chai expose. Lets just say diplomacy is not highly valued in my profession so I usually come off a bit direct.

I just can't believe Undercover is suggesting to a Newbie to avoid Wan Chai. I, like you, have done 99% of the sex scence in HK from the dirty filthy Mongkok brothels to the karoake where you spend 3K+ and get nothing. The local guys in my office despise Wan Chai for the reasons I described. They think they are above socializing with 'maids' or equivalents.

I, for one, am glad that you're misinforming newbies. Keep the tourists away from Mongkok or 141s so the price stays low for the rest of us who truly knows where the values are.

The truth is, only truly ignorant people would monger in Wanchai bars....unless you're into maids. Otherwise, if you're interested in sex, you get far better quality for lower prices elsewhere.

Nobody pays $3,000 to get "nothing". You're assuming people aren't rational with their money...a very poor assumption if you know anything about the mentality of your typical money-motivated Hong Konger.

Ramn HK
11-08-07, 12:25
I disagree. Wanchai is a great place to have a drink. listen to some good music, chill out, flirt and if you like what's on offer, by all means buy. We all know what the base prices are. Its up to us what amounts we want to spend. Some people, hungrier than most, will pay some ridiculous prices that we see. Wanchai for me is like the website alibaba. Wanchai is a place for buyers and sellers to congregate, and if the price is right, the deal is done. The buyer decides what he wants to pay.

Looking at the sale in Wanchai - boy spots girl, they chat, they dance, they flirt, they drink, they dance some more, they whisper in each other's ear and off they go hand in hand about an hour or so later, off to the short time hotel. $500 is my short time price. Add in 2 ladies drinks plus the motel charkes + 2 heinekens (happy hour prices)works out to 500+160+145+52 or $857.

The sale in Mongkok - let's take Dundas for example. Walk in, go to a room, get shown a line up. Pick and pay. Its $390 for 45 minutes, so if you want 1.5 hours, you pay $780. $100 for the room makes it a grand total of $880. You get to the room, strip, take a shower, and onto business. Finish, take a shower, and you're out. I'm calculating double time here to match up with the time you will get with a honey in Wanchai.

You can see there's not much difference in overall price here. Therefore the "tourist price for sex" all depends on the tourist himself.

However, like most places in the world, one needs to be aware and be careful with their surroundings. I frequently see people leaving their drinks on a bar or on a table and go off to dance with a girl. What a great opportunity to slip something in? I have a steadfast rule. If I have to leave my drink unattended, I make sure I finish most of it and when I return back, I will not touch the old drink. I'd rather be safe than sorry.

No locals in Wanchai? I beg to differ. I've been going to Laguna for the past 8 plus years. I see the same faces, some of whom go there daily. Yes they're westerners, but they live here. You will also see about a dozen or so local Chinese there. You will see local Chinese in Makati with their arms around some of their tasty Filipinas. Dreams has a number of local chinese people. Neptunes, as one poster mentioned has a few. Another thing that could be stopping more chinese from coming into the bars is the entry charges some places charge.

I go to various places. 141's, Dundas, Wanchai which is on my way home. I like China girls and tend to visit Dundas street once in a while. I went there last night. Paid for time and a half since I wanted to relax a bit, and was up in the room getting a massage when the cops raided. Lots of loud banging, lots of swear words, lights on and off. Had to try to put on my clothes in the deep dark. Had to open the door to the police while semi clothed. They took my hong kong identity details, my address, my handphone number, and I was stuck there for about 90 minutes. Had to ask permission to stand up, and permission to use the toilet which was four feet away. I know my rights so I had no real worries, but its not an experience I want to repeat.

Its not an experience I would want for a tourist coming to Hong Kong to experience either. On a positive side, it took my hard on away real fast.

I then headed to Wanchai. Stopped in to Makati to have a beer where I was accosted by a girl whom I previously had all night long for $1,000. Not being in a chatty mood, I headed to Laguna. Saw my 2 chinese friends, bought them beers, drank up and left.

Have fun, stay safe and watch your drinks!


For the newbies reading the reports below regarding the problems and confusion in the Wan Chai bar area and Fenwick types bars, are you starting to get the feeling Wan Chai is too much trouble to deal with? Add to this the tourist price for sex, which is way, way, way overpriced and you may conclude as I did many years ago, Wan Chai bar/sex outlets are a big waste of time.

Let's be clear about one fact, the Wan Chai bar scene is for sex tourist. Thus, the higher prices and rip-offs. Plus, many women see the men in these bars as targets. Why take a trip half way around the world to have trouble in a girlie bar....it is not worth it.

Also, another fact is the locals do NOT hang-out in the Wan Chai bars and there is a good reason for this. Which is, the local Chinese guys have known for years the Wn Chai bar area for girls is a rip-off. It always has been, and it always will be.

Ok, I am sure some guys will disagree with what I have written and that is fine. They love the bars there and are happy to pay HK$1,000 or more for ST. I mainly provide this information for the newbies who are trying to make an informed decision about where to spend their time.

Hk Dog
11-08-07, 13:25
This is what you posted on this site on 3/31/07

"I go to Hong Kong 2-3 times a year. Buying sex is ridiculously easy. I prefer to meet girls for short-term relationships so that every time I'm in town, I have some decent companionship.

What's the best way to find girls interested in real relationships and not selling sex? Are Wanchai bars good hunting grounds? or Lan Kwai Fong? And what are the protocols? "


So now you are the expert in HK mongering compared to myself (over 10yrs) and other long timers??

Sounds like you struck out massively in the 'not for sale' market which is a no brainer for long time expats who actually usually try to avoid that market due to the 'hassle factor' afterwards.

Neuromancer
11-08-07, 13:43
Wow, amazing to learn something new after reading this site for about a year. Anyone care to share the details of the "white women" clubs in Central? If not publicly, then via PM?

Couple points on the raging debate:

1) Personally don't like the Wan Chai scene much, but for me, it's more about preference on providers rather than the price. Generally not extremely fond of darkies, and it's not just about the skin tone. I personally find the physical features of Flippers, Indos, etc to be somewhat coarse. Of course, there are plenty of Chinese providers with equally unattractive features regardless of skin tone. In the end, I don't find the prices outrageous as has been mentioned, you can pay just as much (or more) in a KTV or sauna. The whole debate about whether it's "stupid" to partake in the Wan Chai offerings comes down to personal preference, and I find it sort of ridiculous to equate someone's personal preference to "stupidity"

2) 3k for KTV and not get anything? What KTV are you going to? The one HK KTV in East TST I've been to charged 500 per hour, so 3K equals 6 hours. That's an awful long time to do nothing. For 3k, you can spend 3hours flirting in the KTV (1. 5k) and then take the girl for a ST (1. 5k). The other KTV I've been to here (near Sun Hot Sauna on Hanoi Rd I think) was quite a bit cheaper, 500 for the whole evening (about 3 hours). Though the take out fee was 1. 5k, same as East TST. The most expensive KTV I've experienced was in Taiwan, which ran NT10k (HKD2. 5K) for 3 hours including booze, with no s*x included (extra NT8k, or HKD2k and you keep the girl until 4am). While expensive, the quality IMO beats anything that I've seen here in HK and is on par with the sauna girls at 18 over in Macau. Service levels (assuming that you speak Chinese) also exceed anything I've experienced anywhere.

FurryFriend
11-08-07, 14:09
This is what you posted on this site on 3/31/07

"I go to Hong Kong 2-3 times a year. Buying sex is ridiculously easy. I prefer to meet girls for short-term relationships so that every time I'm in town, I have some decent companionship.

What's the best way to find girls interested in real relationships and not selling sex? Are Wanchai bars good hunting grounds? or Lan Kwai Fong? And what are the protocols? "


Why dig up that quote? This discussion is on buying sex, not on finding a short-term relationship. I had said that, if only mongering is on your mind, going to Wanchai is a waste of money. Now, if we want to talk about finding a short-term relationship or if you enjoy flirting/socializing, Wanchai may be worth a look, especially if you're into Filipinas or cannot speak Cantonese.

The fact remains. If we only talk about pure sex, Wanchai is a time-consuming rip-off for Westerners lacking the balls to explore the less occidental parts of the city. Great...an American flies 20 hours to talk to girls at a bar or disco. How exotic. We all know bars and discos are rare in America. Kinda like travelling to Hong Kong to eat at McDonalds.


So now you are the expert in HK mongering compared to myself (over 10yrs) and other long timers??


Getting ripped off for over 10 years is hardly something to be proud of.

Yes, I consider myself to be an expert at HK mongering. You may have more experience on Lockhart Road and I may have more experience on Portland Street. People can be experts over different domains.

As I said earlier, I love it when you mislead newbies! Let's funnel all the tourists and ignoramuses there so they don't inflate prices at places where real bargain and quality hunters go. Per rules of this forum, I will not advertise a competing forum. But on this forum dedicated solely to Hong Kong mongering, where people truly know the ins and outs, there is hardly a mentioning of Wanchai.

Fast Eddie 48
11-08-07, 17:23
This is what you posted on this site on 3/31/07

"I go to Hong Kong 2-3 times a year. Buying sex is ridiculously easy. I prefer to meet girls for short-term relationships so that every time I'm in town, I have some decent companionship.

What's the best way to find girls interested in real relationships and not selling sex? Are Wanchai bars good hunting grounds? or Lan Kwai Fong? And what are the protocols? "

So now you are the expert in HK mongering compared to myself (over 10yrs) and other long timers??

Sounds like you struck out massively in the 'not for sale' market which is a no brainer for long time expats who actually usually try to avoid that market due to the 'hassle factor' afterwards.HK dog,

Wanchai is for tourist you don't see Hong konger go mongering there , most of them go to Macau,shenzhen or Dongguan on the weekend to play is just so much cheaper and quality of service is so much better ,if you want flipper go to manila .

Fast eddie 48

Whomer
11-08-07, 21:15
I was this time only for a one night stay in HK. Since I had to leave early in the morning and I stayed in Mongkok I decided to visit 37 Dundas.

After arriving around 7pm at dundas same procedure like always. They showed me 8 girls, I opted this time for a taller girl with short hair. Her name was Lu Ling. She said she's 22yo and from mainland china near Haian. Her English was okay thus we could talk a little bit.

We started after showering cleaning every part of our bodies with a short body massage. I brought some oil with me and asked Lu Ling to use it. First she didn't want, but after a short talk she did a short oil massage. During the massage she weared a t-shirt. While she started a BBBJ I couldn't resist and removed the t-shirt, stopped the BBBJ and started to massage her with a lot of oil. It was really amazing, because also Lu Ling enjoyed it very much. After 45 min she asked me for a break, went outside, came back after 1 min and told me that she arranged 2 additional hours for a special price. We went on with the massage and some DATY. I loved it, she was shaved and told me not to stop. Next step was BBBJ, but I wasn't able to hold a long time. So we made a break, then she started for another BBBJ. Usually I don't like that, but this time it was more than ok for me. Then great sex in different positions, she didn't moan, only biting her lips. Finally some hugs, a short rest.

At the end we had to shower and some problems because we missed soap. Next time I will bring oil and soap with me.

Overall damage: 600 HKD + 200 HKD tip.

Whomer

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Hk Dog
11-09-07, 01:14
HK dog,

Wanchai is for tourist you don't see Hong konger go mongering there , most of them go to Macau,shenzhen or Dongguan on the weekend to play is just so much cheaper and quality of service is so much better ,if you want flipper go to manila .

Fast eddie 48


I am sorry. Complete and utter bullshit. I would say 80% of single expat males spend at least one night a weekend there and 30% of married expat males.

Local Chinese mongerers don't go there because they don't like dark skinned girls for issues I highlighted many times.

Why the fuck would I fly to Manila? I want to do other things in my life and don't need to save up to the last Peso to get laid. I want to play golf etc etc and also fuck and also hang out with friends. Its called having a life. So I don't need to do 'cost per fuck' calculations. I can do all that here in HK.

Hk Dog
11-09-07, 01:20
As I said earlier, I love it when you mislead newbies! Let's funnel all the tourists and ignoramuses there so they don't inflate prices at places where real bargain and quality hunters go. Per rules of this forum, I will not advertise a competing forum. But on this forum dedicated solely to Hong Kong mongering, where people truly know the ins and outs, there is hardly a mentioning of Wanchai.


Ohhhh, you read s e x 1 4 1 forum. Wow I didn't know that!! That changes everything. You are a mongering god.

The point is only 6 months ago you were asking where the places are to go in HK. You even asked if Wan Chai is 'good mongering ground'. Now after your one trip you are Zeus on the mountaintop proclaiming your word as the word of god.

I put that quote of yours up there so that a real Newbie would completely discount what you have to say and listen to more experienced people.

There is also a reason why people prefer 141 and maybe you are in the class. Getting laid with a hottie, even if you are paying for it, is NOT a sure thing in Wan Chai. 141 they'll fuck you no matter how unattractive and unsociable you are. So maybe in one of your 2-3 visits in HK you couldn't get laid in Wan Chai and found soulace in the no rejection 141's.

I have alot to learn from you on more websites. Please tell me more.

King Leonidis
11-09-07, 01:40
Rick Hunter’s recent report where he mentions the nightclubs in East Tsim Tsa Tsui being some of the more expensive places in Hong Kong has caught my attention.

I searched through all the old posts and found Rick Hunter’s post (number 2831 on the 01/05/06). Firstly I would like to say what an excellent report. Here Rick mentions the night clubs “New Paris” and “China Club” where the 9/10 and 10/10 girls can be found.

I am very interested in visiting these kinds of clubs in my upcoming trip to Hong Kong on the odd night when I need a break from the Wanchai bar scene and also I would like to know about these places as an option for taking business clients.

I would like to know if there are any other new clubs or hot places in not only in East Tsim Tsa Tsui but all of HK offering these kinds of services with the all important “9” or “10” girls where you may need to pay a bit extra for the quality.

Any suggestions or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

Hk Dog
11-09-07, 03:17
Wow, amazing to learn something new after reading this site for about a year. Anyone care to share the details of the "white women" clubs in Central? If not publicly, then via PM?



The club has been around for over 8 yrs. Without disclosing the name its near the top of Ice House Street. Its a 'members' only club (the only way they can get a licence) so you can't just walk in.

Trust me, don't bother. I know girls that work there and they laugh at the locals that show up there. Basically they get lap dance type entertainment and shell out loads of cash for nothing.

Jayson420
11-09-07, 03:48
I like Wan Chai. Its great speaking english to the girls and flirting with them. And I don't mind what color their skin is or where they come from. I also like other places in HK but its hard to bond with the girls (141 for example) when they are fresh off the boat and can't even tell me their name? And I only speak like 100 words of Chinese. LOL.

Anyways

I was in Fenwicks about 3 weeks ago and around 12:30AM the DJ stopped and the lights turned on. I was like huh? Closing? WTF?

Then all these cops came in with dogs. And they pretty much lined up all the girls and started checking out their paperwork. And all of the girls pretty much remained calm. I only saw like 2 or 3 making a dash for the back door.

They even had the dogs going behind the bar around the bartenders sniffing the bottles and shit.

This hot thai girl I was with excused herself to the bathroom along with her G/F. I was thinking 1 of 2 things she had to hide. Drugs or to get/give some papers to some other girl.

I stood there talking to some other mongers and all in all it took 45 mins for them to leave. The lights went back off, DJ cranked up again and everyone cheered loudly. Finally got my girl to leave with me for 1500 LT. I didn't buy her any drinks. She actually bought me a Heineken which I thought to be really, really, really odd. Really odd. LOL.

When we were back in my room I asked her what drugs she was hiding. She asked me to guess. I said Special K. And she said I was right. LOL. Ketamine for those that don't know.

I didn't want any but told her she could do some in the room if she wanted and she did. She was way jacked up for about 25 minutes all dancing around to my music (naked). Her body was way tight. Ripped stomach. Very cute face. She was my first thai. She had a scar on her left shoulder that looked like some burn mark. I asked what that was from and she said all Thai people have it. I know this is stupid question but can someone explain to me.

Anyways she left around 1 pm the next day as I was checking out and heading to SZ. I was nice and actually just gave her 200USD as I was low on HKD. I guess that is near 1500 that we agreed upon.

I have one lame picture I took of her but will post it later anyways. But its not great.

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Okinomi
11-09-07, 08:03
The club has been around for over 8 yrs. Without disclosing the name its near the top of Ice House Street. Its a 'members' only club (the only way they can get a licence) so you can't just walk in.

Trust me, don't bother. I know girls that work there and they laugh at the locals that show up there. Basically they get lap dance type entertainment and shell out loads of cash for nothing.Couldn't agree more, you get far better value in HK in Wanchai at Fenwicks, Neptunes or even the walk ups.

There are Colombian and Venezuelan girls in Fenwicks with blonde hair and large implanted boob jobs. They look European generally, although I can't profess to say they speak great English. You will find all you need there for 1500 if thats your bag.

Ramn HK
11-09-07, 08:28
Wow, amazing to learn something new after reading this site for about a year. Anyone care to share the details of the "white women" clubs in Central? If not publicly, then via PM?



A member's only club. I hear lapdances cost about $300 to $400. Been around for years. Have heard that if you're dressed well and if its a slow night for them, they may let you in.

Cheers!

Hk Dog
11-09-07, 08:31
I would like to know if there are any other new clubs or hot places in not only in East Tsim Tsa Tsui but all of HK offering these kinds of services with the all important “9” or “10” girls where you may need to pay a bit extra for the quality.

Any suggestions or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.


I think Rick will agree and if you are really after top talent then book one of the nightclub packages to Macau. The talent in Macau is far better than BBOSS or China City in HK and 1/2 the price. Just go to Macau Ferry Terminal and you will see the shops offering the package. Its only 1hr ferry.

Rhino64
11-09-07, 14:44
I like Wan Chai. Its great speaking english to the girls and flirting with them. And I don't mind what color their skin is or where they come from. I also like other places in HK but its hard to bond with the girls (141 for example) when they are fresh off the boat and can't even tell me their name? And I only speak like 100 words of Chinese. LOL.

Anyways

I was in Fenwicks about 3 weeks ago and around 12:30AM the DJ stopped and the lights turned on. I was like huh? Closing? WTF?

Then all these cops came in with dogs. And they pretty much lined up all the girls and started checking out their paperwork. And all of the girls pretty much remained calm. I only saw like 2 or 3 making a dash for the back door.

They even had the dogs going behind the bar around the bartenders sniffing the bottles and shit.

This hot thai girl I was with excused herself to the bathroom along with her G/F. I was thinking 1 of 2 things she had to hide. Drugs or to get/give some papers to some other girl.

I stood there talking to some other mongers and all in all it took 45 mins for them to leave. The lights went back off, DJ cranked up again and everyone cheered loudly. Finally got my girl to leave with me for 1500 LT. I didn't buy her any drinks. She actually bought me a Heineken which I thought to be really, really, really odd. Really odd. LOL.

When we were back in my room I asked her what drugs she was hiding. She asked me to guess. I said Special K. And she said I was right. LOL. Ketamine for those that don't know.

I didn't want any but told her she could do some in the room if she wanted and she did. She was way jacked up for about 25 minutes all dancing around to my music (naked). Her body was way tight. Ripped stomach. Very cute face. She was my first thai. She had a scar on her left shoulder that looked like some burn mark. I asked what that was from and she said all Thai people have it. I know this is stupid question but can someone explain to me.

Anyways she left around 1 pm the next day as I was checking out and heading to SZ. I was nice and actually just gave her 200USD as I was low on HKD. I guess that is near 1500 that we agreed upon.

I have one lame picture I took of her but will post it later anyways. But its not great.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Great report Jay. I have had some good Thai and Filipina encounters at Fenwicks. Neptunes is also OK, depending on your luck I suppose. Lower prices I find. I also like Joe Bananas where some FLs hang out. Higher quality and hence higher priced than either of the places mentioned above.

FurryFriend
11-09-07, 16:43
i would say 80% of single expat males spend at least one night a weekend there and 30% of married expat males.


lolol!!! do they publish this data in government publications? or did you pull it out of your ass (like most of your statements)? because i don't believe the census and statistics department conducts these kinds of surveys and i doubt you know everyone in the expat community well enough to quantify the mongering activities of an entire class.

the fact remains. westerners shouldn't be travelling half-way around the world to hang out at a westernized bar filled with westernized people!! have a sense of adventure and venture out, for god's sakes!! and not only that, but you'd be playing far higher than the market rate to monger. it's called being dumb and dumber.

perhaps you're just too chicken or unadventurous to venture beyond your comfort zone. but most tourists have more gonads and would want to experience something distinctly new, different and oriental in hong kong. americans can get bars, filipinos, date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) drugs and overpriced sex at home. americans can't get brothels, saunas or 141s at home.

if you want value/quality mongering, listen to locals (who will steer you far from wanchai). if you want to fly 20 hours to experience the same things you'd find at home, wanchai is for you.

Frequent Flier
11-09-07, 18:00
lolol!!! do they publish this data in government publications? or did you pull it out of your ass (like most of your statements)? because i don't believe the census and statistics department conducts these kinds of surveys and i doubt you know everyone in the expat community well enough to quantify the mongering activities of an entire class.

the fact remains. westerners shouldn't be travelling half-way around the world to hang out at a westernized bar filled with westernized people!! have a sense of adventure and venture out, for god's sakes!! and not only that, but you'd be playing far higher than the market rate to monger. it's called being dumb and dumber.

perhaps you're just too chicken or unadventurous to venture beyond your comfort zone. but most tourists have more gonads and would want to experience something distinctly new, different and oriental in hong kong. americans can get bars, filipinos, date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) drugs and overpriced sex at home. americans can't get brothels, saunas or 141s at home.

if you want value/quality mongering, listen to locals (who will steer you far from wanchai). if you want to fly 20 hours to experience the same things you'd find at home, wanchai is for you.


no offense ff, but to each his own. i have traveled to hong kong many many times. most of those trips involved a customer traveling with me or to meet customers that would arrive a day or two after me. i can truthfully tell you not a one wanted to go the route you are talking about. i am not saying that some guys here or that will visit in the future would not agree with you, but every single customer i was with always wanted the wan chai option.

i gave them the low down and this is what they preferred. about 15% did multiple trips for one business reason or another and they always returned to wan chai.

that said, where in the usa can you find all these young available filipino women? same as in hong kong...girls who actually want to be with a older male?


ff

Neuromancer
11-09-07, 20:09
had a fantastic evening at my favorite place tonight, hop yee. not your typical chinese, she's from dong bei but doesn't look it. average height (5'5" or so), darker complexion, coarse hair, long/skinny face, large eyes and full lips. not my usual type, but she sort of reminded me of an old friend who i had the hots for way back when. anyway, what made the session memorable was that she willingly dfk'd and wasn't rushed in the least bit. i popped quickly (it's been a while), but just kinda hung out chatting for a bit afterwards.

left the room eventually and things got sort of weird. was about to head down the stairs when i heard another girl calling out. turned around and it was a pseudo-regular from several months back. at the time she was on the 11th floor (i was on the 10th floor tonight). i had left a small bottle of vodka in her 11th floor room and when i noticed that it was gone, figured that she was gone too. turns out she simply took a few months off. was sort of awkward, chatting with her in the hallway after finishing up with the other girl. heard the first girl open her door momentarily to look out, though i was standing behind the column so didn't actually see her peer out.

Jayson420
11-10-07, 01:13
I have one lame picture I took of her but will post it later anyways. But its not great. Here is the only picture I snapped when she was stripping and dancing around. I could of probably took more but I was eager to jump up on the bed and start dancing too. She had sort of a bubble butt, but it was small and I could put the whole cheek in one of my hands. Pretty sweet.

Hk Dog
11-10-07, 06:50
The fact remains. Westerners shouldn't be travelling half-way around the world to hang out at a WESTERNIZED bar filled with WESTERNIZED people!! Have a sense of adventure and venture out, for God's sakes!! And not only that, but you'd be playing far higher than the market rate to monger. It's called being dumb and dumber.




Keep on talking because you are only making more of a joke of yourself.

Where do you go mongering in Thailand? I hope you are not going near the WESTERNISED Nana Plaza, Patpong, Suana's and Massage joints, Discos etc that the Western people go to.

Do you think local Thai's go there?

No.

If you are talking about the Thai masses they go to places to get laid where they only pay maybe 100-200 Baht. Those places are AWEFUL and DEPRESSING!! My first experience in a Mongkok brothel is 1996 and I'd be shocked if they changed the mattress since. When was yours? The brothels have their purposes but to plan a weekend night around attending them is a sad case of lack of social skills in my opinion. They are wham bam joints for immediate relief. Not to make a night of it, especially for a long travelled newbie.


But I am waiting for you to tell us where we should be going to in Thailand (and tell us how many times you go to Thailand in a year since 2-3 times seems to be the amount to make someone an expert).

FurryFriend
11-10-07, 07:45
Where do you go mongering in Thailand? I hope you are not going near the WESTERNISED Nana Plaza, Patpong, Suana's and Massage joints, Discos etc that the Western people go to.


Thailand isn't comparable to Hong Kong because Thai bars/discos are the only places that are safe and tourist-friendly. They have terrorists, kidnappers, drug traffickers and AIDS epidemics in the less occidental areas where Thai locals monger. So you tolerate being in a Western environment in Thailand not by choice, but by necessity.

If most of Thailand is safe and tourist-friendly, like it is in Hong Kong, you'd be foolish flying 20 hours to hang out at a Western bar.

I'm not saying there is no purpose for Wanchai. Nothing wrong with socializing, dating or relationships. But this board is about SEX SEX SEX. Locals rightfully laugh when expats brag about paying "only" $800 to bang in Wanchai when, for $800, you can partake in an orgy in Kowloon. Why not have a sense of adventure and go over to Kowloon where it's equally safe, higher quality (fine, that's subjective) and far cheaper? There is no evidence to suggest that service is better with a Wanchai provider than, say, at 37 Dundas.



That said, where in the USA can you find all these young available Filipino women?

Hey, I've said all along. If you're an expat and have a thing for Filipinas, that's the only scenario in which Wanchai mongering makes sense.

But most tourists don't fly to Hong Kong for Filipinos. If it's Filipinos they want, they'd go to the Phillipines instead. Most tourists don't fly to Hong Kong for Western Asian chicks. There are plenty of Asian-Americans in the U.S.

What do sex tourists want in Hong Kong? Most have yellow fever and want exotic fresh-off-the-boat Asians from mainland China, not Westernized people they can find at home.

Hk Dog
11-10-07, 09:02
Thailand isn't comparable to Hong Kong because Thai bars/discos are the only places that are safe and tourist-friendly. They have terrorists, kidnappers, drug traffickers and AIDS epidemics in the less occidental areas where Thai locals monger. So you tolerate being in a Western environment in Thailand not by choice, but by necessity.
.

Do us a favor and shut up because your 2-3 times visiting HK proves you know SHIT about the region.


Find me ONE, just ONE report of a Westener EVER being kidnapped in Thailand. The Terrorists attacks occurred in WESTERN PUBS in Bali. Are you saying there isn't anyone with AIDS in the Western sex districts in Thailand?
What the fuck does drug trafficiking have to do with anything??

You are an IDIOT and anybody who listens to you deserves the consequences.

FurryFriend
11-10-07, 10:43
The Terrorists attacks occurred in WESTERN PUBS in Bali. Are you saying there isn't anyone with AIDS in the Western sex districts in Thailand?
What the fuck does drug trafficiking have to do with anything??


God, I seriously haven't owned someone on an internet forum this badly in a while. It's not even a challenge.

Only someone delusional would believe mongering in Thailand is as safe as mongering in Hong Kong. I am not saying Thailand is overall "dangerous", but it's clearly riskier than Hong Kong. And, again, this is why sex tourists to Thailand stick to Western bars and why sex tourists to Hong Kong need not take such measures.

From the US State Department's Travel Consular page
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1040.html

"The State Department is concerned that there is an increased risk of terrorism....American citizens traveling to Thailand should therefore exercise caution..."

"The Department of State advises all American citizens residing in or traveling to Bangkok to continue to monitor events closely, to avoid any large public gatherings, and to exercise discretion when moving about Bangkok..."

"The far south of Thailand has been experiencing almost daily incidents of criminally and politically motivated violence, including incidents attributed to armed local separatist/extremist groups..."

"Attacks in the area have increasingly been targeted against commercial areas where foreigners congregate..."

"Thailand has been experiencing an epidemic of HIV infection and AIDS....and HIV is common among prostitutes..."

I can go and on. But my humanitarian nature does not permit me to humilate someone beyond a certain point.


Find me ONE, just ONE report of a Westener EVER being kidnapped in Thailand.
You lose. Again.

International Herald Tribune (April 13, 2007)
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/04/13/asia/AS-GEN-Thailand-US-Kidnapping.php

"Thai police said Friday they rescued an American who had been kidnapped and held for ransom for five days by a gang that included at least three policemen."

FurryFriend
11-10-07, 21:15
Mongkok is Beruit compared to Wan Chai.

This comment proves what I've been asserting all along:

No wonder you stick to Wanchai. You're so chickenshit to go outside your Western comfort zone that you don't have the guts to cross the harbour. It isn't an issue of safety. If you read newspapers and this forum, you'll see there's far more focus on the dangers of mongering in Wanchai than in Mongkok.

So it's clearly not an issue of safety. What you're REALLY afraid of are all those people they call "the Chinese" with their weird language, appearances and customs. Damn, all those Chinese characters must make you feel threatened. All those local people act....so damn local. So you remain on an insular part of the island and advise Western tourist who fly 20 hours to monger in the same Western places and stick to the same Western people. I bet even the thought of sitting on the Star Ferry makes you cower in fear. There's a line between using reasonable discretion and being an outright coward. It's clear you've crossed the line.



I once again confidently proclaim that your are in fact an idiot of royal proportion.

Despite your proclaimation, you cannot even outdebate me. It's gotten to the point where I feel ashamed picking on the mentally handicap.

By the way, I just gotta repeat this one more time!!!!! Sorry for the repetition:


Find me ONE, just ONE report of a Westener EVER being kidnapped in Thailand.
You lose. Again.

International Herald Tribune (April 13, 2007)
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/04/13/asia/AS-GEN-Thailand-US-Kidnapping.php

"Thai police said Friday they rescued an American who had been kidnapped and held for ransom for five days by a gang that included at least three policemen."

Pom001
11-11-07, 02:58
She had a scar on her left shoulder that looked like some burn mark. I asked what that was from and she said all Thai people have it. I know this is stupid question but can someone explain to me. The scar is from a vaccine, I think its smallpox but I am not sure. I asked some questions about that vaccine (my ex-GF has that scar) and I was told that you can get it without that mark but then it costs more. In asia, they tend to use the cheaper version thus the "burn mark" which we don't have because we use the more expensive version of the vaccine.

I also dated a Russian woman and she had the same scar.

You may want to double-check this information, I am no health professional.

Hk Dog
11-11-07, 04:35
Thanks Furry Friend, my 10+ years of living out here and over 100+ visits to Thailand is just no match for your excellent 'Googling' skills. So lets put out a

WARNING- IF YOU ARE IN THE IMPORT EXPORT BUSINESS IN THAILAND AND SCREW YOUR BUSINESS PARTNER, DO NOT HAVE 400,000 USD LYING AROUND YOUR APARTMENT BECAUSE YOU ARE AT RISK TO KIDNAPPING. THIS CAN NEVER EVER HAPPEN IN HK (of course unless your business partner is Chinese and then you avoid kidnapping but get a bullet in the back of your head in Luk Yu Tea House in broad daylight)


I am sure we both have save alot of lives with this warning. You have so much to teach me about HK mongering. I am humbled and now just sitting here for you to correct my errs of the past decade from a unique individual whose 2-3 times a yr visits to HK and superior Googling skills is a worthy substitute to the overrated 'experience'.

Yellow Fever #2
11-11-07, 08:39
The scar is from a vaccine, I think its smallpox but I am not sure. I asked some questions about that vaccine (my ex-GF has that scar) and I was told that you can get it without that mark but then it costs more. In asia, they tend to use the cheaper version thus the "burn mark" which we don't have because we use the more expensive version of the vaccine.

I also dated a Russian woman and she had the same scar.

You may want to double-check this information, I am no health professional.

You can use the scar from the smallpox vaccine to date the age of the person. At some time in the 1970s or 1980s the Smallpox vaccine was not longer administered globally due to its eradication in the wild.

However if the girl is younger than say about 25, the scar would not be smallpox.

Frequent Flier
11-11-07, 20:30
Hey, I've said all along. If you're an expat and have a thing for Filipinas, that's the only scenario in which Wanchai mongering makes sense.

But most tourists don't fly to Hong Kong for Filipinos. If it's Filipinos they want, they'd go to the Phillipines instead. Most tourists don't fly to Hong Kong for Western Asian chicks. There are plenty of Asian-Americans in the U.S.

What do sex tourists want in Hong Kong? Most have yellow fever and want exotic fresh-off-the-boat Asians from mainland China, not Westernized people they can find at home.

Here again "different strokes for different folks."

Most people do not fly to Hong Kong for sex period. They are there for business reasons and they are only seeking to satisfy their sexual urges while there. As stated in an earlier post, I found that all the business customers that I entertained in Hong Kong preferred a Filipina to any other selection available and I have spent more than you can imagine on the bars in Wan Chai and other places in Hong Kong. Nice company entertainment budget to spend on the customers.

Most of the time the trips with customers included a night or two in Mainland China where we would all enjoy a Karaoke night with the pleasures of mainland women. While it was always enjoyable and all had a good time, the customers could not wait to get back to Hong Kong to see some more Filipina's. Even a few who would go to Macau could not wait to get back to Wan Chai and some Filipina's


As I had an office with co-workers in Hong Kong I am not sure what you mean when referring to the westernized Asian women in Hong Kong. They are certainly more sophisticated then the bar girls or the girls you may meet in the Disco's or 141, but I would not describe the ladies located anywhere in Hong Kong as any thing even remotely close to westernized Asian women like you would find in USA.

What do you mean by westernized Asian Women? There is even a term in Hong Kong and really all of China I'm sure which is ABC ( American Born Chinese) or CBC or EBC or EBC again. I'm sure you can figure out the other acronyms.


FF

FurryFriend
11-11-07, 23:43
As stated in an earlier post, I found that all the business customers that I entertained in Hong Kong preferred a Filipina to any other selection available and I have spent more than you can imagine on the bars in Wan Chai and other places in Hong Kong. Nice company entertainment budget to spend on the customers.


You're 100% correct. Wanchai is great if you're into Filipinas or seeking a relationship. I've said that all along.

But if all you're looking for is sex (after all, this is World SEX forum), there is cheaper and easier mongering to be found elsewhere. Yes, lots of people go to Hong Kong on business. But many (dare I say "most"?) foreigners who are there come as a tourist. And if a tourist is looking for Filipinas, he should have booked for Manila instead. Most of the time, a tourist is there to experience something new and oriental, not Westernized bars with Westernized people.

If a monger wants to remain in Wanchai because he prefers Filipinas or is seeking a relationship, fine! But it defies reality for one to prefer Wanchai simply because Kowloon is dangerous or that Kowloon mongering is expensive.



What do you mean by westernized Asian Women?
FF

In Hong Kong, I consider "westernized Asian women" to be Filipinos. I do not consider Chinese locals, even foreign educated ones, to be "westernized Asian women". As a Chinese person, there are clear cultural differences between an ABC and a Filipino. The difference?

Filipinos in Hong Kong:
- Mostly speak English
- Religious, mostly Catholic
- Admires the West and Westerners
- Looking very hard to get married, preferably to a Westerner
- Culturally very similar (for example, celebrates same holidays as Westerners)
- Money and status not as important (being a maid isn't shameful, for example)

Chinese in Hong Kong (even foreign educated):
- Mostly speak Chinese (uses English as business necessity)
- Not religious or practice folk Buddism
- Have no special admiration about the West or Westerners
- Not more marriage minded than women elsewhere, prefers Asian men
- Culturally dissimmilar to the West (for example, celebrates Lunar New Year or Mid-autumn moon festival, etc). Also have certain superstititions unique to the Far East
- Money and status highly crucial

I know there are exceptions. But these characteristics fit about 80% of the time.

Hk Dog
11-12-07, 02:00
But if all you're looking for is sex (after all, this is International SEX forum), there is cheaper and easier mongering to be found elsewhere. Yes, lots of people go to Hong Kong on business. But many (dare I say "most"?) foreigners who are there come as a tourist. And if a tourist is looking for Filipinas, he should have booked for Manila instead. Most of the time, a tourist is there to experience something new and oriental, not Westernized bars with Westernized people.There is a major reason why this is the case and you just don't want to listen. I have been to those places you recommend many times. They are filthy, disgusting and depressing. I would NEVER recommend them to a Newbie in HK. To me the analogy in the US would be Wan Chai a high class escort, Mongkok a street walking crack *****.

But the major reason, and this may be controversial, is that Chinese women are the WORST sex providers in all of Asia. The are incredibly mechanical. If you ask any long time Expat resident in all the Asia countries to rank the sexual performance of each country I would be shocked if Chinese girls ever rank above the lower bottom 25% percentile.

In Thailand I can definentely recommend the massage parlours, go go's , disco's etc, because they don't have any of the negatives of the Monkok scene.

Again, you fail to answer why you don't frequent the brothels in Bangkok that the locals go to.

Also you are just not coming clean. Why didn't you have a good time in Wan Chai? There are 3 reasons I can think of

1) Girls didn't want to go home with you, or...

2) Girls would not charge you correct ST price since reason 1 was still in the back of their head, or...

3) 6-800 for ST is out of your budget

Which is it? (and btw there are Chinese girls in Wan Chai also)

SidTheSexist
11-12-07, 06:33
I agree with HKDog!!!!!

The ongoing argument is a no brainer. The cheap wham bam places have minimal appeal to westerners flying to HK.

And the points being raised about Thailand ooze complete ignorance. Anyone who has been to Thailand before, should know that the threat of kidnapping is ridiculous. Total American propagander shite!!

Will be in Thailand on the 23rd this month. If I dont report back by the 3rd dec, please somebody call a search party!!

Sid

Rick Hunter
11-12-07, 08:03
I have been reading this debate for the last few days but have avoided adding my two cents as it has been interesting to watch but feel I should chime in.

First it is inaccurate to say that Mong Kok is where the locals go. When I mention to some of my local friends that I on occasion go to Mong Kok to play around they first surprised and then usually tell me to be careful as it is all triad controlled. (Mong Kok is very safe but many Hong Kongers, like the Japanese are easily scared). I have asked before if they would like to come to one of the places there and the answer is resolute “NO!!!”. They much prefer the confines of East TST, Causewaybay or Macau. Most of my local friends fall are of a similar economic (or better) than most of us Expats (and by Expats I mean white western men – gweilos) and earn at least US$100,000 (and other than teachers not many Expats earn less than this). They tend not to like places like Wan Chai as it is not always the most friendly to Chinese unless they have someone like me taking them there.

The locals who tend to visit places in Mong Kok tend to be lower middle class or below. That is why the girls tend to be of lower quality than you can find elsewhere - there are diamonds in the rough though. While I would not go so far to say all the girls are like high class escorts in Wan Chai the example HKDog used of Mong Kok girls being like crack *****s and Wan Chai girls being like escorts is a good one. Most of the girls in Wan Chai I would not touch either but I have long since lost my “yellow fever” so the girl has to be rather nice for me to go with her.

As for pricing if you do Wan Chai correctly it is not that much more expensive. I will recount two stories I had from last week. Both took place with Wan Chai girls.

I mentioned on the boards that with the navy in town last Tuesday I did not feel like going to Wan Chai or making the trip across the harbor so I sent a text message to a lady I met in Wan Chai who is currently unemployed to see if she wanted to meet me. I had been with this girl a few times before and would spend around two hours with her and get 3 or 4 shots in. She gives a great massage, is 23 and has a killer body and a good face. Last time we were together we got talking about what she likes and she mentioned she had a boyfriend who used to tie her up. I have never done that sort of thing before but when we were text flirting on Tuesday I suggested she bring some stuff and I could tie her up. She seemed up for it but said she was not sure what she could find. I suggested we meet in Causewaybay when I finished work and I would take her shopping. When she got out of the MTR station and when we were walking down the street was when I realized what a head turner she was. I recalled a mall that I was in once by accident that had 3 or 4 sex shops in it and somehow we managed to find it. She was a bit shy but one of the lady staff helper her out and in the end she picked out some rope, handcuffs, blindfold and ankle cuffs.

We headed off to a short time hotel where we decided to spend three hours. We showered up together and then she lay on the bed and I blindfolded her, tied her arms up spread eagle and cuffed her ankles together. I then spent around half an hour playing with her – eating her out, using my fingers, tickling her, having her suck my cock, and then screwed her. Right before I was about to blow I took the condom off and shot my load into her mouth and on her face. This whole bondage thing was something new to me but she loved me being in control. Afterwards I let her out, she cleaned up and we talked for a bit and then we were ready to go again. Cuffed one arm to each ankle and we had some more fun. After that she gave me a great massage for a bit and then we had one more go. She even let me take some videos of what we were doing.

The only problem was after we got dressed and ready to leave I slipped her $500 into her purse and she stopped me and said that I am not that type of girl you know. That surprised me a bit because the very first time I flirted with her we ended up going to a hourly hotel and I thought it was going to be free seem to recall her asking for something. I have seen her 3 or 4 times since then and always gave her $500 to “help out with rent” while she was unemployed. I am worried that she might be starting to have feelings with me so I may have cut it off because I know that she is working part time until she gets a new office job and her occasional visits to Wan Chai is a sense of adventure for her plus she is unlikely to run into people she knows. For $500 not a bad experience although for furryfriend I likely spent too much in Wan Chai. I did spend about $500 on the gear and $370 for the 3 hours in the hotel but it was a new experience. I gave her the gear to as I normally call her when I am at work and doubt I should keep that sort of stuff around the office so she could bring it if we ever wanted it again.

My second experience in Wan Chai last week was I was having a rather boring Friday night in Lan Kwai Fong. Shortly after 10 I decided to bail and headed off to Wan Chai. I was very dressed up as I had some important meetings that day and do not normally like to go to Wan Chai wearing rather fancy business attire. The is a smoking 21 year old flipper who I taught how to freelance who was making her maiden freelance trip to HK after having come with an agent twice before. I had not seen her in the little over two weeks she had been here as I have been busy but thought she might be at New Makhati (she has 3 or 4 regulars so she can be hard to find sometimes) so I thought I would stop there on the way home. When I arrived she was out on the dance floor with some other guy but as soon as she saw me her face lit up. I went to the bar to grab a beer and no sooner had I got it then she had left the other guy and ran over to me and stuck her tongue as far down my throat as she could. I have to say it is a rather nice feeling when you walk into a bar and the hottest girl is running over to see you because she is so happy you are there. We hung out for around 40 minutes in the bar and I bought her a $65 ladies drink and then we retired to a short time hotel for 2 hours. She washed me up and we screwed twice. The girl still needs a little assistance in the experience area but she is getting better. I did think of this forum once when I was looking up at this 21 year old girl with smooth skin, really nice breasts and long black hair down past them and thinking yeah Wan Chai really sucks. After our two hours was up I gave her $800 like I normally do (yeah it might be a little high but this girl would be an 8.5/9 even back in Manila).

I think based on the two experiences listed above one would be hard pressed to say that Wan Chai is over priced compared with Mong Kok based on how much time and the number of shots with each of the girls. One is more likely to have girls negotiate a rate that is too high in Wan Chai but if you know how to play the field and ignore the ugly girls it can be a great place and not that much more expensive than Mong Kok. An usually the girls are less mechanical.

There are a number of places in the Jordan to Sham Shui Po corridor that are quite good as well that I would recommend people to. They tend to be more run down then elsewhere in Hong Kong. Not everything is “cheap” in absolute terms in Mong Kok such as the nightclubs but they are “cheap” compared to East TST. I have also met good ladies in both areas of town.

I would generally agree with HKDog that compared to other nationalities many Chinese providers are rather mechanical but the lady who has been the best lay of my life works in that corridor and I have followed her around to a number of places (where I am usually the only expat customer they ever get). She is around 33-35 but still has a really petite and in shape body and really is the best lay I have ever had. Although when I visit her in a sauna we usually spend the whole 90 minutes screwing a couple times and do not do much massaging. It is a little weird though because she tells me about her husband and kid and sometimes I get text messages from her asking for help with her kid’s English homework. For a price check it currently costs me $588 when I see her for 90 minutes in Mong Kok.

That would make for a much better discussion topic then whether Mong Kok or Wan Chai is better which nationalities on average tend to be best. I think you might even need to split it out between providers in HK and in their home countries. I will take the first shot:

Indonesian>Thai>Flippers>Vietnamese>Chinese>Hong Kongers>Korean>Japanese

I realize it is likely odd to see Indonesians at the front of the list. It can be very very difficult to find a pretty Indonesian girl but the ones I have tended to be fairly wild in the sack.

PS. Sidthesexist if you are not back from the LoS by early December I will come and look for you although I can not promise that I will not get sidetracked or kidnapped by some beautiful bargirl

Tiger 888
11-12-07, 08:25
I have been reading this debate for the last few days but have avoided adding my two cents as it has been interesting to watch but feel I should chime in.....
Rick, you put it very well, nothing more to add, except that I think you forgot the Mongolians in your list (Unfortunately not may available in HK nowadays).

Hk Dog
11-12-07, 08:41
Indonesian>Thai>Flippers>Vietnamese>Chinese>Hong Kongers>Korean>Japanese



For me

Indonesian>Thai>Flippers>Korean>Vietnamese>Japanese>Chinese>Hong Kongers


Again we should emphasize this is not the same as the list of looks. I have yet to meet and Indo that doens't have one thing seriously wrong with her (i.e her teeth, smell, looks, shape etc) but in terms of performance and effort they go the extra mile.

Neuromancer
11-12-07, 14:16
Ok, so curiosity has gotten the better of me. Guess nobody will really care, but figured that I made the effort to dig up the info, so what the heck. Maybe someone will TOFTT and report back. I'll report if they let me in. Not sure if I'll need to dig up a tie.

I realize that the 2nd website link is more of an "artistic" venture, but judging by the small sampling of photos, the level of talent doesn't seem terribly promising. Wonder what the artist/photographer would think of her website being linked to on ISG.

Courtesy of geoexpat:

http://www.geoexpat.com/forum/good-strip-clubs-t19348p8.html

Goodfellows
G/F Shun Ho Tower,
24-30 Ice House Street,
Central,
Telephone #2522-9218

Web Connect
11-13-07, 15:46
I have been reading this debate for the last few days but have avoided adding my two cents as it has been interesting to watch but feel I should chime in.I agree. And I guess I should explain why being someone when in Hong Kong will go to the Wan Chai bars. I have also read most of the current posts on the Wan Chai scene and I came the the conclusion that most guys go there for what they think are off duty maids. There may be a few maids going there on Sundays. But she would have to be very new to HK to still be a maid being so good looking at some of the guys here rave about. IMHO most of the girls working the Wan Chai bars are pro's. They may tell some guy they are a maid. But if you want to see what a real maid looks walk around the parks in Central on a Sunday. THOSE are maids.

So I guess I should explain why I go to the Wan Chai bars when I understand there are so many other places for P4P action in HK. I myself love the 141 scene. That makes HK special compared to MNL or BKK. I don't go to the Wan Chai bars for Flippers or Thai. I would just go to MNL/AC or BKK/Pattaya for that. So anyone flying 20 hours from the US and NOT going to those places for some Asian ass must be stupid. But HK is one of the shortest flights between the East Coast of the US (Newark) and Asia. Only around 15 hours in the air. So it makes sense to get that part of the travel out of the way before going on to other parts of Asia.

But while in HK the only reason I go to the Wan Chai bars if for the amazing quality Vitamin C (coke). It definitely is not some big secret of what is going on in some of those bars. But never seems to be mentioned here. So maybe that is one of the other big reasons why so many guys go there but just don't come out and say it.

As for mongering. 40 min train ride to Shenzhen is defiantly more fun and easy to get Vitamin K (ket). And for over all quality (who cares about the price) the Sauna's of Macau is #1. It just sucks they don't all sell alcohol.

So a good trip for me is a few days of mongering plus all the party favors in HK (Vitamin C), a few days in Shenzhen (Vitamin K) and a few days in Macau just recovering (like a rehab). Then off to some other place in Asia!

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Zeta111
11-13-07, 16:36
Any more info on this address? Is it 37AA or 37BB or...?

I was cruising Jordan tonight and couldn't find 37 because there are several blocks with that number. Any other reports of this place? I'm happy to oblige if anyone knows the building number!


FYI, if you want to see what a few of the girls look like at 8 Mong Kok, go to s_x141 and click on Mong Kok area. Then click on "Phone Appointment." The girls listed that are 24 hours for 360 with a phone numbers of 9585-8416 and 6851-8959 are 8 Mong kok girls. The phone number for the actual location is 8100-5341. Sometimes on the site lots are listed, sometimes on 1 or 2 are listed.

8 Mong Kok also has a sister location at 37 Jordan, 7th Floor, Room D. Price is 400. The girls here a better looking then the ones at 8 Mong Kok.

Rick Hunter
11-14-07, 05:50
But while in HK the only reason I go to the Wan Chai bars if for the amazing quality Vitamin C (coke). It definitely is not some big secret of what is going on in some of those bars. But never seems to be mentioned here. So maybe that is one of the other big reasons why so many guys go there but just don't come out and say it.


I don't think that is why most of the guys go to Wan Chai. Most of the expats out here I know are not really into the drug scene - some yes, but not most. If one is TST or Mong Kok would be a better place to buy or even in Lan Kwai Fong.

There are a few places in Wan Chai that are more known for selling drugs. I would say it reached its peak about a year ago before the cops really cleared out the Colombian girls. Fenwicks, in particular is know for drugs and that among many reasons is why it is one of my least favorite place to go. One Sunday in early summer about a dozen Indonesian maids were arrested in and around Neptune for dealing.

If you know who owns which bar you can pretty much tell which places have more dealing going on.

Recall the two businessmen from overseas that died in their hotel two weeks ago had not been drugged and robbed by bargirls as originally thought but died of some bad/overdosed on Heroin they bought in Wan Chai.

I have never understood the whole drug thing - it seems like a dumb way to screw your life up but each to his own I guess.

Jayson420
11-14-07, 18:09
I have also read most of the current posts on the Wan Chai scene and I came the the conclusion that most guys go there for what they think are off duty maids. There may be a few maids going there on Sundays. But she would have to be very new to HK to still be a maid being so good looking at some of the guys here rave about. IMHO most of the girls working the Wan Chai bars are pro's. They may tell some guy they are a maid. But if you want to see what a real maid looks walk around the parks in Central on a Sunday. THOSE are maids.Dude I am gonna half to call BullshiT on you here.

I picked up a hot Indo maid in New Makati about a few months ago and also posted about it. I have seen her 4 times since. And the great thing is when I do see her she has to be home by 10 (curfew) so I can go out to get a second shot somewhere else.

I have pictures I can send to you WebCon to prove that she is hot. She was the hottest in the club when I pulled her out. She sneaks away from her other friends in Victoria parks on Sunday to go dancing by herself.

Some of the pics I have of her other Indo maid friends shows they are ugly. But there are a few diamonds out there. Trust me.

Web Connect
11-14-07, 23:28
I don't think that is why most of the guys go to Wan Chai. Most of the expats out here I know are not really into the drug scene - some yes, but not most. If one is TST or Mong Kok would be a better place to buy or even in Lan Kwai Fong.

There are a few places in Wan Chai that are more known for selling drugs. I would say it reached its peak about a year ago before the cops really cleared out the Colombian girls. Fenwicks, in particular is know for drugs and that among many reasons is why it is one of my least favorite place to go.

If you know who owns which bar you can pretty much tell which places have more dealing going on.

I have never understood the whole drug thing - it seems like a dumb way to screw your life up but each to his own I guess.Exactly. The expats you know are not into the drug scene. But what about all the expats you don't know. Since that is not your thing, there is little chance you will ever meet those type.

Some of the Wan Chai bars is an easy place to score some pretty good quality, and for a person who does'nt live in HK I feel more confortable buying there than at the Chungking Mansions. It is simple: Ask any girl from the same country that is the biggest supplier of it and with in 3 mins some guy from the same county walks up to you and hands you what ever you want. You pay him, and that is it. Of course don't make it SUPER obvious. But it does'nt feel sketchy.

I agree for some people it screws up their life big time.

Web Connect
11-14-07, 23:35
Dude I am gonna half to call BullshiT on you here.

I picked up a hot Indo maid in New Makati about a few months ago and also posted about it. I have seen her 4 times since. And the great thing is when I do see her she has to be home by 10 (curfew) so I can go out to get a second shot somewhere else.

I have pictures I can send to you WebCon to prove that she is hot. She was the hottest in the club when I pulled her out. She sneaks away from her other friends in Victoria parks on Sunday to go dancing by herself.

Some of the pics I have of her other Indo maid friends shows they are ugly. But there are a few diamonds out there. Trust me.My point is that if she was hot... she wouldn't be a maid for long. Some guy would take her out of that life and make her his wife or at least girlfriend. Being a maid is hard work for very little money. If she was hot she would just be a full time pro.

But I would love to see some pictures and be proved wrong. Of course everyone has a different view of what beauty is. I can also send you tons of pictures of some of the girls I have the pleasure to be with. PM me your info.

My idea of beauty is what you see in Sauna18 / Rio in Macau as an example.

Hk Dog
11-15-07, 01:11
Dude I am gonna half to call BullshiT on you here.




The guy was half right. Very rare to find 'maids' on any day besides Sunday, unless they just had their contract broken. The part he is wrong is when he says 'few maids on Sunday'. Sunday before 8pm I would say 95% of the girls are real working maids.

Web Connect
11-15-07, 05:27
The part he is wrong is when he says 'few maids on Sunday'. Sunday before 8pm I would say 95% of the girls are real working maids. Ok Ok. And how many of those 95 percent are. Hot. Stunners. Could work at 18Sauna?

In my mind, Maids are the woman who are sitting all over Victoria parks on Sunday. (God Bless them and their hard working ethics) Sad to say they weren't bless with the looks of a beauty queen of long ago someone would have saved them from the hard life of a maid.

I guess we all have to agree on is what we all consider beautiful. I read in a lot of these reports how guys picked up a HOT maid on Sunday. I have a hard time using the word HOT and MAID together in one sentence. If a guy is into fu*king maids. Ok fine. To each his own. But no need to say she was HOT when you already said she was maid.

On another note. I have fu*ked a few of my maids. But they where hand picked straight from the province. Cute as they come. I went with the recruiter to the province to pick them. I thought it was a great idea at first. But how was I wrong in so many ways. All the problems it caused and money I had to pay to get out of a problem that could have been a lot worse. I guess that is another story on it's own.

Hk Dog
11-15-07, 06:45
Ok Ok. And how many of those 95 percent are. Hot. Stunners. Could work at 18Sauna?

In my mind, Maids are the woman who are sitting all over Victoria parks on Sunday. (God Bless them and their hard working ethics) Sad to say they weren't bless with the looks of a beauty queen of long ago someone would have saved them from the hard life of a maid.
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What the hell kind of a definition is that?? And that is NOT what you wrote. You said they were 'Pro's'.

95% of the girls in Wan Chai on Sunday before 8pm are employed as domestic helpers in HK.

I am not a big Sunday fan but out of those 95% maybe 3% are hot. But they are being chased by many men. Maybe you just don't have what it takes to score with one of the 3%. I am very particular about my women and over the years there have been stunners who I fucked that are real maids. Others I am sure have had more stories than myself since I don't make it my scene but I know its there if I want it.

The fact that you have to go to the provinces to pick a girl that will fuck you shows your inability to get laid in a competitive market.


However to dismiss any 'Sunday' girl as ugly just because they are maids can only come from ignorance. My old flipper gf years ago was a maid who won many beauty contests (her sister was a model) and many of her friends were incredible hotties. Nowadays the hotties are the Indo's.

Neuromancer
11-15-07, 09:19
What the hell kind of a definition is that?? And that is NOT what you wrote. You said they were 'Pro's'.

95% of the girls in Wan Chai on Sunday before 8pm are employed as domestic helpers in HK.

I am not a big Sunday fan but out of those 95% maybe 3% are hot. But they are being chased by many men. Maybe you just don't have what it takes to score with one of the 3%. I am very particular about my women and over the years there have been stunners who I fucked that are real maids. Others I am sure have had more stories than myself since I don't make it my scene but I know its there if I want it.

The fact that you have to go to the provinces to pick a girl that will fuck you shows your inability to get laid in a competitive market.


However to dismiss any 'Sunday' girl as ugly just because they are maids can only come from ignorance. My old flipper gf years ago was a maid who won many beauty contests (her sister was a model) and many of her friends were incredible hotties. Nowadays the hotties are the Indo's.LOL. I guess I'll have to remember to avoid taking the opposite side of any argument HK Dog is on. Otherwise, he's gonna challenge my ability to get laid in a competitive market.

Seriously though, it's seeing all those maids flocking together on Sundays which has got me so turned off to flippers in general. Yes, I know that the maids are not representative of the flipper population and I'm sure that there are TONS of attractive ones out there, but the image of those Sunday maids painting/clipping each others toenails, picking lice out of each others hair (ok, I'm probably exaggerating on this one) in public sort of just wrecks the mood for me.

Rick Hunter
11-15-07, 10:22
However to dismiss any 'Sunday' girl as ugly just because they are maids can only come from ignorance. My old flipper gf years ago was a maid who won many beauty contests (her sister was a model) and many of her friends were incredible hotties. Nowadays the hotties are the Indo's.

The arguement about whether there are any hot maids has been had before. Those of here for a while think a small percentage of maids are hot, those through town briefly think a higher percentage are hot. Given there are 250,000 women who work as maids in HK some of them have to be hot. If only 1-5% are that is still 2,500 to 12,500 women.

I do agree with you that basically all the hot maids are Indonesian. As the overseas worker program has gotten more developed in the philippines most of the hot ladies take jobs in the west or korea that pay far more then they make as helpers here (US$440 per month). Ladies working in factories in Korea make US$1,000 per month and I was recently asked (and I declined) to help a lady pay her agency fee so she could make US$3,000 per month working in Denmark as a fish gutter.

Indo's do not have the same economic options so coming to HK is extremely attractive to them. Unfortunately Indo women are not as blessed with looks as most other women so good looking ones are fewer between.

As for 18Sauna being the definition of hotness I am not sure that I agree with that. They do have nice ladies but most have had a lot of work done. As for the Indo's who work at 18Sauna most of them are fun but I would only say a couple of them are hot (although they can be fun to hang out with after they finish their work).

Web Connect
11-15-07, 12:10
What the hell kind of a definition is that?? And that is NOT what you wrote. You said they were 'Pro's'.

Maybe you just don't have what it takes to score with one of the 3%.

The fact that you have to go to the provinces to pick a girl that will fuck you shows your inability to get laid in a competitive market.


However to dismiss any 'Sunday' girl as ugly just because they are maids can only come from ignorance. My old flipper gf years ago was a maidYeah I also believe that the really hot girls are telling some guys they are maids when in reality they are working girls. Maybe they used to be a maid but found it more profitable to be a pro. But the guys eat it up and think they fu*ked a "nice" girl who was just out to have a good time.

What does it take to score with those 3 percent? Money I have. A nice smile I have. Well spoken I am. Dressed nice I am. What else do I need? LOL

I said I went to the province to find my maids to make sure they where good looking. But I found out later that was a big mistake.

The keyword is "USED" to be a maid. You confirmed it that hot girls only stay a maid for a very short time.

Web Connect
11-15-07, 12:15
Those of here for a while think a small percentage of maids are hot, those through town briefly think a higher percentage are hot.

As for 18Sauna being the definition of hotness I am not sure that I agree with that. They do have nice ladies but most have had a lot of work done. Yeah that is true. Maybe the maids are hotter than the average girl from where those guys are from that are just passing through.

Yeah some for sure have had work done. But I doubt they are working part time as maids to be able to afford the cosmetics. Some are natural beauties. There are so many of them there is alwasys some stunners in the line up.

Neuromancer
11-15-07, 18:12
Just back from Hop Yee. Tried finding one of the two options I wanted to hook with tonight (see previous post). Both were not working tonight (it's Thu, should be prime time for business! ). Oh well, so started ringing doorbells. On the 7th floor there was a room with three girls just hanging out.

Turns out that the short one with big atss rack remembered me. For the life of me, I couldn't remember doing her. She had a decent amount of the basic details on me so figured that my memory is fading in my old age. In the room, she showed me a big red birthmark on her left breast. Ok, the memory is jogged a little. Did the dead and we were just chatting afterwards. I was still trying to remember doing her in the past. And then she mentioned that I had promised to revisit her just after CNY with a hong bao. Funny how the strangest things trigger your memory. I guess that anytime a girl is asking for more money, that the memory sticks in my head.

Jayson420
11-16-07, 04:36
What does it take to score with those 3 percent? Money I have. A nice smile I have. Well spoken I am. Dressed nice I am. What else do I need? LOLHmmm. Good looking and a nice guy. Oh and being a good dancer REALLY helps as thats were most of the hot ones hang out.

My indo girl sneaks off from her {ugly} friends in victoria park on sundays to go dance by herself. Thats when I plucked her out.

And she also told me that her old family she used to work for would not renew her contract after her one year was up because the mother of the family was jealous of her looks and was afraid the father was going to try and fuck her. Well she put it a little more nicely. But I got the point. LOL

Web Connect
11-16-07, 05:28
Did the dead and we were just chatting afterwards. Cool. There is now necrophilia, offered in HK. Good to know if I ever get feel the need. But that must have been an interesting chat after. Joke Joke Joke.

Hk Dog
11-16-07, 09:59
And she also told me that her old family she used to work for would not renew her contract after her one year was up because the mother of the family was jealous of her looks and was afraid the father was going to try and fuck her. Well she put it a little more nicely. But I got the point. LOL


I had a similar story last year except the wife stopped paying the poor girl and illegally cancelled her contract. I had the Indo girl go to the Labour Tribunal and the wife got a significant fine!

Rick Hunter
11-16-07, 11:22
I had a similar story last year except the wife stopped paying the poor girl and illegally cancelled her contract. I had the Indo girl go to the Labour Tribunal and the wife got a significant fine!

Good for you. I have helped more then one domestic helper get all that was legally coming to her and her employer repremanded. It is amazing some of the crap that these ladies think they have to put up with. I get after a lot of my staff at work when I hear stories about their DH's and ask them how would they like it if I treated them the same way. They tend to get rather sheepish after that.

Neuromancer
11-16-07, 18:01
Cool. There is now necrophilia, offered in HK. Good to know if I ever get feel the need. But that must have been an interesting chat after. Joke Joke Joke. Sorry 'bout the typo. Not really into necrophilia. Though now that you mention it. Ehh. Forget it.

If you're into necrophilia. Why not just do it with a life-like doll. Equally un-responsive. If that's what you're into.

Not really into the dead fish

StraightFlush
11-16-07, 20:23
Sorry guys, but have been a lurker for a while, RTFF on HK and Wanchai in advance of my first visit. My first time to HK and went to Neptunes and then Fenwicks, and decided that Neptunes had a better quality group that night.

My friend met a Thai girl who was very nice and classy, and she promised to introduce her friend to me, but in the meantime I met a Filipino gal (and her friend)up at the bar. Great body, nice face, great dancer. In hindsight, they were ordering "doubles" from the bartenders, and never thought twice about it.

The Thai girl's friend finally came and was introduced, and looked very hot, but since I was already occupied with the 2-filipino's girls, she left.

To make a long story short, had a good time, slow-dancing, fast-dancing, coochy-koo at the bar, but when suggested further activities back at my hotel, she said that she was tired, blah-blah-blah. Not much to show for a couple hours.

While for an old guy, I was pretty beat anyways, and didn;t feel like making another round (already 3am) but the total scene there is quite impressive, but guess I didn't see that she was just pushing drinks. After searching forum I guess it happens, but while YMMV I guess it kinda blind-sided me.

Most of the bartenders (female ones looked filipino) must be in on the deal, but while I thought I had a good thing going, I guess I will have to be more of a skeptic in future.

In any case, it's off to Macau tomo, and then back to HKG for a couple days before going home. I will definitely go back to Neptunes, spend some more cash, and maybe look for the Thai girls. In any case, I might stay away from the girls sitting at the bar.

There's probably an easy way to spot the drink-pushers, and I'll have my radar out next time.

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The Wanderer
11-17-07, 04:22
My previous visits to 37D have always been to the establishment on the first floor. Yesterday, out of curiosity, I went up the extra flight of stairs to the place on the second floor.

I’m glad I did!

There are some differences between the first and second floor options. First off, three girls were brought to me individually, briefly introduced by the mama and then I spent a few minutes alone with each one in the KTV room. This gave ample opportunity to “check the goods” and get an indication of attitude. When number three had been and gone, the Mama came back and we discussed the ladies and I made my choice. The girls were pretty much the same "quality" as found downstairs and I chose Helen, who from the warm up I had found to have a nice, bra-less rack.

The second difference was the price, HK$340 and $80 for the hotel, which as you are no doubt aware, is around $70 less than the first floor place. Another small difference was that I had to pay the hotel and the mama separately.

The usual hand holding up the stairs followed to the short time place on the fourth floor. IMHO, the room was better than the ones on the third floor I had been to in the past. When “checking in” it was a bit odd to see the daughter of the woman who ran the place doing her homework!

In the room, Helen did not disappoint. Usual, highly pleasurable interactive shower with BBBJ, one day I just know I am not going to make it to the bed! This girl had a cracking figure, unusually for a Chinese lady her bum was a peach and as good as anything I’ve seen, perfectly presented in a thong – again unusual for Chinese. Her rack was no disappointment either; this girl is made for photography but sadly …no camera with me. Incidentally, has any one been able to take photographs in 37D?

We established anal was not on the menu and I let her get to work. Usual great service, rimming etc. I came whilst enjoying being deep throated. At the time, she was kneeling and I was watching her in the mirror with her lovely arse and perfectly framed pussy accentuated by her arched back.

Both number one and number two mama welcomed be back like a long lost friend, asking me about the service and if I would be back. Which was great and yes, I will, also spied a very foxy looking girl in there.

Do not know if I was lucky on the second floor or if my experience was normal for there but I do intend to find out on a return visit. Long live competition, I thought they were genuinely trying to please. In addition, if I remember to take my camera and Helen is free I might get lucky and have few souvenirs to share with you.

For those new to HK, the location of Dundas is well documented and mapped and there a number of reports to cross reference.

Sketcha
11-18-07, 16:25
Allo allo,

First of all, thanks all for the great info

Will be visiting Hong Kong for the first time and find the discussion here very very helpful

Book my ticket and hotel. Will be staying in kowloon. I'll be coming from seoul. Going to be staying for 4 nights

Will definitely check 37 dundas, 8 mongkok and will venture to wanchai. But I do have reservation about wanchai (next post)

A note to newbies, anyone wanting to go to Hong Kong: please rtf, I read the last 2 months worth, lots of helpful info, even the arguments, though I felt at time it went too personal when it needn't be, we all have different view and opinion, let's respect that

I do have a general travel question to all veteran travelers:

Where would generally be the best place to do money exchange? (as in getting the best rate)

- bank (doubt it), airport (arriving or departing), money exchange places?

Advise, suggestion greatly appreciated

Very looking forward to my trip to HK.

Sketcha
11-18-07, 16:32
Hi,

Been reading the posts for the last couple of months. Had troubles deciding between staying in kowloon or wan chai. But then decided to opt for kowloon since I want to do some shopping (walking distance to hotel) as well. And I want to 'experience' Hong Kong.

But I will venture out to wan chai and check out the scene there. Perhap say Hi to a few of you

I do have a question about wan chai; a few post hinted at wan chai being racist. I'm assuming toward Chinese?

Can someone elaborate a bit more? Why do you feel this way.

I, myself, am asian. Chinese, though I'm not overly Chinese.- I've been mistaken for every asian race there is

Even if the reports of racism in wanchai is true, I will most likely check out wan chai still but it'll be nice to know what to expect, I kinda like to know a bit of what I'm getting myself into

And if anyone want to meet up and have a drink, that'll be cool.

Hk Dog
11-19-07, 02:56
I, myself, am asian. Chinese, though I'm not overly Chinese.- I've been mistaken for every asian race there is

Even if the reports of racism in wanchai is true, I will most likely check out wan chai still but it'll be nice to know what to expect, I kinda like to know a bit of what I'm getting myself into

.


Perhaps the racism has been overblown. If your native tongue is English (as I am guessing you are) then you will fare better. The girls in Wan Chai all speak some English very rarely cantonese/mandarin which is why the cold shoulder may be given. Just 'charm' the bouncers and you should have no problem.

Apac Man
11-19-07, 05:13
Allo allo,

......

I do have a general travel question to all veteran travelers:

Where would generally be the best place to do money exchange? (as in getting the best rate)

- bank (doubt it), airport (arriving or departing), money exchange places?

Advise, suggestion greatly appreciatedI am not sure why you want to exchange money! You can use your ATM card and get money from thousands of ATM machines throughout HK and even with ATM charges by some banks, you still will get the best rate AND you don't have to carry money from your own country. But if you have to, I have noticed that the worst rate is offered at the airport. Banks in town probably have good exchange rate but the waiting time at banks in HK is horrible. The rate at money exchange places vary depending on what neighbourhood you are doing the exchange and how close they are to touristy areas. There was a few messages way back regarding this issue:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=647701&postcount=997
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=647705&postcount=998

Have fun and stay safe,

W

Twisted Monkey
11-19-07, 07:24
Guys,

Sundays between 3pm and 8-9pm in wan chai is definately maid's day. Laguna, New Makati, Boracay, Neptunes, Fenwicks (Laguna and New makati are heaving). I would say the vast majority are maids. A few what I refer to as Semi-pros (maids out for additional cash).

How beautiful they are. How long is a piece of string? It is to each their own. The only drama is when you pick, it is easy to get a butterfly reputation. Also, from what I have seen, there seem to be quite a few that are a few sandwiches short of a picnic basket (as in a bit loco).

Guys have fun, the only thing I am curious about is. Who the hell has the time to go to the "provinces" to go get your maid? You get a maid to cook and clean and be honest (you hope) around your house. I personally like the older ones who make my home sparkling clean and give me that motherly reminder to pick up my own condom wrappers before she comes over.

By the way, Sunday has an all day happy hour at the bridge for ladies so once you find a nice girl at one of your other locations you can bring her over to the bridge and have her drink for free and you can have a chat up in a more relaxed atmosphere.

Take care guys. I personally don't care who of you can cmpete or not compete for girls or where the hell you get your maid or how you make your woodchuck squeal. Let's just have a good time of it.

Cheers,

Twisted

PS I have been out of the game for a little bit, that's why you guys may have more girls to pick from now ;)

Gyaos
11-19-07, 14:03
I am not sure why you want to exchange money! You can use your ATM card and get money from thousands of ATM machines

Not everyone uses ATM cards or wants to use one. People like me use hard cash or travelers checks (which I get for free and only use in Japan for a 1 yen differential) and adore playing with monopoly money. I have done big studying for exchange areas in Hong Kong and find the NGAU KEE MONEY CHANGER CO., LTD at 1 Cleverly Street on Hong Kong Island gives the absolute best rate, cash-for-cash. The difference is in the 10th of a percentage point range. Example if the HKD is 7.75 to the USD, they will be 7.72 selling at 7.76. The ~.03 difference I could care less about. They are only opened M-S 9-5, closed Sunday. They are next to about 4 other competitors on the same street and I noticed if you keep going down the street, the rates get more in your favour. A real laugh.

There's another good one near where the old HMV used to be in TST too, turn left towards the bay, if coming from Nathan Road (the street is Hankow Rd, I believe). I can't remember their name, off hand. It shows all the currencies on an electric board. Best rates, to me, for Kowloon. They are also only opened during business hours.

The banks give great rates too, but charge a service fee like 10 HKD. So tell them to go to hell. And to save HKD, just take the A-12 bus rather than the Airport Express train to and from the airport. I'm still trying to figure out what bus to take from Tung Chung station to the airport (different train, same track, ridiculously cheaper), anyone know?

Gyaos.

Scorpio33
11-19-07, 16:09
I'm still trying to figure out what bus to take from Tung Chung station to the airport (different train, same track, ridiculously cheaper), anyone know?

Gyaos.
Take bus S1, just outside Exit B of the Tung Chung station. Approximately every 7 ~ 10 minutes.

Dagevin
11-19-07, 16:25
Well, after seeing all the posts, I decided to go to 8 MK. It was pretty easy to find, as per previous instruction to exit on A2 exit of the MK station, crossed the street, and there I was. I went up the stairs to essentially the 3rd floor in the US system, and some guy came out to greet me. Here, I don't think the previous post emphasized this enough, the place is a dive, even more divy than some places I have seen in Shenzhen. If you smoke, bring some smokes to cover up the musty smell of the place. It's nothing disgusting, just not pleasant. The rooms are pretty divy. I told papa what I wanted, and waited for 15 minutes or so for the first girl, which was too tall and fat for me. I waited for another 15 minutes for another girl. I have to say that the two girls I saw were both pretty young, below 22. The girl I ended up with was around 20 and was quite tight down there. Her attitude was not great (though I did wake her up from her sleep as I went there at 4pm). Total damage HKD 360 for short CBJ and FS.

Jackyo
11-20-07, 02:40
I don't know where else to ask this and I am totally out of my element here (I mostly monger in Germany and in Montreal) but:

I have Hong Kong Dollars from the early 1990s.

Are these still accepted or exchangeable for the current currency?

Or are they better off being sold as collectible items on say, Ebay?

Thanks!

Sketcha
11-20-07, 11:56
Thanks for the info, guys, much appreciated

Great to know that there's atm I can use. But this time around, I'll be bringing cash and trying to limit my atm/visa use, though I do prefer using my visa

Makes sense about the girls in wanchai giving the 'cold shoulder' to non-english speaking people since they themselves speak english more than cantonese. I'll keep that in mind, and 'charming' the bouncer, will try, without getting my arse kick thinking I'm hitting on him, haha

By the way, I cancelled my hotel booking. Did it with agoda.com but wasnt too pleased with the service, so I cancelled and decided to book a hotel when I arrive in Hong Kong,

I know it's riskier, but I did it before when I went to Japan, and (believe it or not) they (booking at the airport) gives the best rate

Anyone done this before? Booking a hotel at the airport when they arrive?

Andy Russett
11-21-07, 00:32
HK,

Thanks for maintaining such a fun town. I doubt if I can add much to such a splendid forum, but will try. Can I ask two questions first?

- How do you find hotel reservation girls?

- Where is Boracay?

Had a nice young lady accompany me home last night and found out that Laguna and Boracy are islands in the PI. How appropriate. I was aiming for a curvalicious latin american at Fenwicks, but decided to walk the block first (Neptunes, Galaxy, Stickey Fingers, etc.) When I got back she was climbing in a cab. Oh well, this is the third time I have seen her out so I'm sure I'll get another chance.

My experience is that Laguna is a younger crowd, with better dancing and standing lap dances from the lasses. Fenwicks is definately better if you want variety (latin, russian, but did not see any africans). Neptunes is a bit loungy for me.

Fuji bldg is alive and well. Barbie on 17 is enthusiastic, but couldn't cope so avoid if you are on the large side. In Europe they have buildings like that, but the girls sit in the doorway chatting and what not. That is a much better system so you can easily see eveyone who is available.

After two philipinas off lockart I can say GFE is not on the menu. Sweet and all, but the menu was a little limited. Both of them tried to get me to go to sleep so they could do whatever. No way. ST is for my protection.

Some of the earlier reports of distinction list two MPs on Lockhardt in CWB, but both are gone so don't bother. I intend to check out YMT and golden mile, but never seem to make it past lockhardt. Not complaining too much though.

Have fun,

Andy

Watcher50
11-22-07, 03:00
this site has given me so much information, not only about hong kong, but other places in the world that i have traveled. most of the travel has been on business, so my experiences are from the perspective of a traveling business man. i tend to be out early in the evenings, and not out much past midnight. so here is my hk experience. i give you my experience, as i saw it. if anyone wants to say i paid too much, or should have done. then keep it to yourself. i am adding to the collective knowledge here, not bashing anyone, and hope i don’t get bashed.

sunday was my first day, i took the high speed ferry from tsim sha tsui (tst) to central and did the tourist thing, going to victoria peak. on my way there is did see the ladies on their blankets as this is servant day off. they will, hang out in the parks, mostly filipino, but also malaysian and indonesians. one particularly attractive lady saw me looking at her and said hi. should have stopped. later i took the trolley to wan chi where i heard the real action takes place.

the wan chi nightclub district is along lockhart rd roughly between fenwick st and fleming rd. i got there about 2pm. first i went to laguna’s cause i heard this is the place for the filipino ladies to hang on their day off. i got a beer, and hoped my eyes would adjust to the dark. i could see maybe 5 female shapes, but couldn’t tell much more so took a hike. lot’s of activity on lockhart rd, so i found the bridge, a small bar that has open windows that look over the street. i met 2 cute indo’s there. they were drinking a beer, so i afford to buy another. one of them said she wanted a margarita, my reply is i wanted a lexus, but i wasn’t going to get one; would she like another beer. so we all got beer and talked. both are from indonesia, both work are child care workers, and have been in hk for 8 years. we watched many ladies going into the disco across the street, and the action on the street, which was quite entertaining. they didn’t want to go anywhere else, so i left them and headed out.

i went past club romania, which i guess is a hostess bar. i don’t know why i ended up there, but i did. i got a beer for $54 hk, and these two ladies joined me, and started to talk, they asked that i buy them a drink, which i did. their drinks it turns out are $220hk. the mamasan or waitress, say pay later. guys’ that’s a mistake. always ask the price. any way they both drop drawers and we have a good time looking and feeling. one has small tits and shaved pussy, the other bigger tits and hairy bush. they want to go to the hotel, which is going to be like $2000 hk. none of these ladies are much to look at and are probably in their 30’s. i decline and head out. there are so many of these bars, with older ladies out side, trying to entice you in. offer cheap beer, and beautiful ladies. the real business is the ladies drinks. the women are paid a commission for the drinks, and that is how they make their money, and to pay back their contract to whomever sponsored them to come to hk.

next i found my way to the showbiz night club. i met this young cute half japanese and half filipino. i got my beer and she got a drink in one of the back rooms. we played for a while, and then the mamsan came over for the next step. for $1500 we go to a love hotel close by for an hour. so, i take her up on the deal. shower, suck and fuck. it was good, not great. then we talked for awhile. she is on her third tour of hk. she is the oldest in her family in the pi. she showed me pictures of her family, and her "boyfriend" who lives in england. and her house in pi. they were relocated after the volcano. so, after the hour, another quick shower, and i walk her back to the club and head home around 6pm.

monday evening after dark i am walking through the square near the tst centre, and lady approaches and says, want beautiful women? all of a sudden girls who were sitting on the benches converge. i like one so made a deal. the deal here was $800 for 2 hours, in my hotel. i go to my room and 10 minutes later this cute chinese girl is knocking at my door. we shower and play around and she points at the clock and indicates 10, well that’s less than 2 hours, but more than 1 so, ok. we are going at it, when there is a knock on the door. it’s her "friend" she comes in and hands me her phone and mamasan is on the phone, with a 2 girl offer. i have only $100 hk left in local money. i tell the mamasan that’s all i have and don’t want the second. she says ok, the second girl will stay. i give her the $100 and she is out the door. now i am pissed, and couldn’t get hard again. so time’s up and she leaves. she wants a tip, but i said her friend got her tip.

later in the week, i got back to wan chi in the evening around 6. i avoid all the come on’s from the mamasans on the street and try to find fenwicks which i heard was a place where i might find a freebee if i had some game. fenwick’s has no happy hour, so there is no one there. i go back to laguna, next on the list. just as described. when you go up the stairs to your immediate right are ladies from europe and africa. to the left is a small room off the dance floor where the indo’s hang, and the rest are filipinos. i got a $20hk beer and mingle. i talk to a couple of filipinos, not so good looking up close. i found my way to the indo section and these 2 girls are dancing and they are really dancing good. really hot. i walk over and tell them they dance quite well. sit down and join them, dance with them. they bought their own drinks, which i think is free any way during happy hour. they are both restaurant workers enjoying their night off and have holiday the next day. we dance and drink and have a good time. i zero in on one and start touching and kissing. after a while we leave and head to my hotel across the bay. the ferry is closed, after the long walk, so we get a taxi, making out in the back the whole way. get to my room and shower, as she is really drunk, and then we had the wildest time in bed. she was as wild in bed as she was on the dance floor. after 3 hours and a couple of nuts; i got her a cab and sent her on the way.

in summary, watch out for the hostess bars, they are all out to sell you expensive ladies drinks. they may say they are topless bars, but are all the same hostess places. there seems to be a social system, where the locals are on top, the filipinos, indos’s etc are next, because they speak english, and then the mainland chinese, because they don’t speak english. wan chi is where the action is and there are freebee’s to be had. these ladies are domestics and are looking for boyfriends and husbands. play your cards and for the price of a few drinks and a cab ride, you will have a great time.

editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Eaglestar
11-22-07, 06:58
The Kitty Hawk will NOT come to HKG for Thanksgiving so less competition for all mongers there.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071122/pl_nm/china_usa_kittyhawk_dc_3

ES

Hk Dog
11-22-07, 08:57
The Kitty Hawk will NOT come to HKG for Thanksgiving so less competition for all mongers there.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071122/pl_nm/china_usa_kittyhawk_dc_3

ES


Wishful thinking. China just reversed decision based on 'humatitarian concerns'.

Gyaos
11-22-07, 13:25
Wishful thinking. China just reversed decision based on 'humatitarian concerns'.

Why that's the same reason why I go to Hong Kong, personally! ;)


Take bus S1, just outside Exit B of the Tung Chung station. Approximately every 7 ~ 10 minutes.

Oo! Big thanks!

Gyaos.

Rick Hunter
11-23-07, 06:40
Wishful thinking. China just reversed decision based on 'humatitarian concerns'.

The US Navy decided to go back to Japan as they had already turned the boats around so there will be no Navy here this week.

Wan Chai was interesting last night as everything from the bars, to the girls, to the cops were all staffed up for 8,000 sailors and almost no one showed up as most local expats stayed away. It was a little weird.

I had a great time though and wound up with 2 girls for 2 hours. Gave them each 600 and they were happy. One was a lady whom I had not seen for a year and a half who was looking after a new gal on her first trip here. We broke the new girl in nicely and I have some great pics.

MegaPoint
11-24-07, 07:32
I don't know where else to ask this and I am totally out of my element here (I mostly monger in Germany and in Montreal) but:

I have Hong Kong Dollars from the early 1990s.

Are these still accepted or exchangeable for the current currency?

Or are they better off being sold as collectible items on say, Ebay?

Thanks!

If they were issued in the early 1990s I think they should still be legal tender. Pre-1997 banknotes did NOT become counterfiet at the time of the Handover, although new designs were issued then (for coins as well) where the image of the Queen was needless to say replaced with something else...

There are three banks issuing notes in Hong Kong: HSBC, Standard Chartered, and the Bank of China. They are always changing the design of banknotes here, and are now starting to switch to the plastic money (such as they use in Australia) but old notes still circulate (especially green ten dollar notes). Only the really old, large-size notes from the early 80s and before are no longer accepted.

Only other thing I might mention, is that there was a scandal earlier this year when a lot of fake 1000 dollar notes got circulated, I think the 2001 and 2002 issues. But many merchants still won't accept them, regardless what year they were issued.

One other thing: in Macau, they will not accept pre-1997 HK coins (with the Queen's image). I do not know the reason for this weird attitude, since the coins are still legal tender here.

Shyguy123
11-25-07, 23:42
This might be a bit off topic guys, but do you guys know where I can go and download some HK porn?

Tiki Tour
11-26-07, 03:11
While flitting through HK on the way from elsewhere back to Europe I was determined to find some action at the expense of sleep during this short stop.

I stayed at the Holiday Inn in Kowloon. Tried the bar there as it is a famous pick up joint. It was very crowed and I only saw two girls not in conversation, so I opted for the "sure thing" of the equally famous 37 Dundas Street, jumped in a taxi and was there in 10 mins.

A warm welcome by the staff, shown to a small room with a TV and I was provided with a free beer. I waited for about 10 mins or so on my own before the lady in charge returned and apologised for the delay but they were very busy. She explained that my visit would cost HK$490 for 50 mins, all inclusive.

So I agreed and waited another 5 mins for her to return with a small but cute and very busty young girl. I would have liked more choice but she was all that was available right now, so OK, but she spoke little English.

She took my hand and showed me to a small spartan room with a basic ensuite. She started undressing me right away (which I like) and gasped at my now hard display (not that big really, I guess it is a relative thing and as I said she was short). anyway into the shower which was welcome as HK can be a steamy place. She washed me all over so I washed her also, gosh these boobs were nice.

Fresh towel to dry and on to the bed and started with a BBBJ then DATY then Mish as gently as I could as she was worried about being hurt. I spun her over to a nice finish from behind.

After a cuddle and fondle I was ready to go again which she reluctantly agreed to to get the best of my 50 mins.

Another shower, and more fresh towel to dry up. Interesting she indicated to use a tisshue to dry my genitals, the towel looked clean but I took her advice anyway.

So, not a classy place but the price was OK and the experience was good , so I would go again.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

FurryFriend
11-26-07, 03:53
One other thing: in Macau, they will not accept pre-1997 HK coins (with the Queen's image). I do not know the reason for this weird attitude, since the coins are still legal tender here.

Macau does not accept the $10 coin, even the post-1997 ones.

Rick Hunter
11-26-07, 06:14
Macau does not accept the $10 coin, even the post-1997 ones.

That is because a large portion of the $10 coin floating around in Macau a few years ago were fakes. Most people just refuse $10 coins out of habit there. In Macau I won't let someone give me a $10 coin in change. Taxi drives in particular are bad about passing off the $10 coins to people who do not know better. For a US$1.25 it all seems a little silly.

Gren62
11-27-07, 08:07
Greetings,

I'll be in HK this Saturday and after a 16 hour flight, I'll surely need a massage and "extras." I've never been to a sauna before and was wondering if someone could tell me what the standard hours of operation may be? Also, are YS places open 24/7?

Thanks in advance.

Gren62
11-27-07, 08:43
Are there short time hotels anyone can recommend near Neptune or the surrounding area? Also, how much would a such a room cost and for how long?

Thanks

Beijing Lover
11-27-07, 10:18
Are there short time hotels anyone can recommend near Neptune or the surrounding area? Also, how much would a such a room cost and for how long?

Thanks

Try Ming Court on Lockhart Road.
Price is 150 or 160 per 90 minutes.

Ramn HK
11-28-07, 12:01
Most of the girls you will pick up will know where to go. A poster mentioned the Ming Court. Down the street past the overhead is Beverly hotel, and continuing down the same road, after you cross the street is Victoria which is more expensive than Ming court.

Have fun and stay safe!



Are there short time hotels anyone can recommend near Neptune or the surrounding area? Also, how much would a such a room cost and for how long?

Thanks

Borat69
11-28-07, 13:36
hello fellas - i haven't been to HK in a while and noticed lots have changed, such as the shut down of best161 and all. What a bummer, those sites were like gems.

Anyway I'd be interested to find out about a couple of things:

1. In terms of pro action, where's the best value for money for russian / south american girls? fenwicks? I've seen some gems in hotels before but don't know if they exist much anymore. MK RLD seems lower quality. None of the current 141/161 sites seem to have any white girls either

2. Freebies - I've never really done normal pick ups in HK. The game here seems very different from the States. I'm also an Asian guy and I don't know how that works for /against me. Any locals got advice on how to work this? Where are the best places (malls, shopping in day etc) to do this? Wan Chai? TST?

Thanks

Steven Jones
11-28-07, 23:59
Met a great 141 girl in Marbel road, was in flat D, she was matuer ish, mid to late 30's, but a great body. Really ncie big tits, soft and bouncy.

The set up was standard, a bed and shower, and not much more, but the service really made up for it. She have a great body massage, and then rode me liek a cowgirl, really enthusiaastic, must have been in there with her for close to an hour. She didn'; t really kiss, but we smaked lips on a few occasions, usualyl when asked, and wanted me to carry on even after I had cum, but I had a friend waiting for me, so had to go. I'd go see her again, she was in room D, at the end of the corridor.

Gren62
11-29-07, 08:01
I've seen a lot of barber shop signs outside of buildings in the Temple Street/Jordan area. What are those places? Surely, they can't all be actual barber shops!

Thanks.

Azanluver
11-30-07, 06:02
I'm heading to HK for the first time next week. Just a couple questions about the 141 site. If they have the address, does that mean you can just show up or do you need to make an appointment? I assume you just show up since some show only the phone number. I'll be staying at the Cosmopolitan near causeway so if anyone knows of anything nearby I'd appreciate it.

Thanks

MegaPoint
11-30-07, 10:14
I'm heading to HK for the first time next week. Just a couple questions about the 141 site. If they have the address, does that mean you can just show up or do you need to make an appointment? I assume you just show up since some show only the phone number. I'll be staying at the Cosmopolitan near causeway so if anyone knows of anything nearby I'd appreciate it.

Thanks

For the girls for whom addresses are given, you can always call and try to make an appointment in advance, but the English skills of the girls are usually minimal if any at all (though there are exceptions).

If they don't otherwise say so, you can just show up at these locations, but be aware they may already be busy with another monger, and they don't appreciate being interrupted (usually there is a sign on the door indicating whether they are busy or not.) In this case, it is useful to note down a few possibilities in the same building or area, in case you can't avail yourself of your first choice.

Obviously you have to call the papasan/mamasan first for the hotel appointment girls.

Steven Jones
11-30-07, 17:36
Depending on the time, they are quiet, i went during the day, and all four on Marbel road where free. They are often in clumps as well, 2-4 rooms per location, and all working.

Presidant Logan
12-01-07, 01:57
Hey there,

I'll be arriving in HK around 11pm shortly and I'm wondering if anyone can reccommend a good massage place to stay the night (usually after the massage I think).

Haven't done it in a while and was wondering where the best place is right now.

Thanks!

PL

Gherkin
12-02-07, 04:57
Thanks to all for 85 pages of mostly useful information and the occasional war. One thing I've not seen discussed here is how well the girls do out of our hobby. I'm a newb myself, with a bit of Thai experience (see prior posting) where I know these answers, but nothing in HK until my trip next month.

Why do I care? Mostly I just want to stay away from any situation where the girl is some sort of near-slave who has been tricked into the business, or who gets virtually nothing while the house or pimp gets virtually everything. I'd much rather go with a girl who is going to earn a decent living out of her job.

So, the question is: in places like 37 Dundas, K-Pressure, or the 1 4 1/hotel girls, do I have to worry about the girls being exploited in these ways? I'm hoping not, but as a newbie I have to ask for input. I have read that tipping to the girl is discouraged, so that means the house controls the money. All knowledgeable opinions welcomed.

Gherkin

Cappy
12-02-07, 07:32
Hello Folks:
This isn't a report, but more of a travel query. Are there any travel sites like c-trip that allow booking or give information on flights from Hong Kong into China?

I know Dragon with go into the mainland, but the rates, if I recall are still pretty steep. Normally I would cross in Shenzhen and would fly out of SZN. Primarily I'm trying to get to places like Xiamen, Fuzhou, Changsha, (Hunan) Ningbo, etc.

Can someone point me to some good current information? Much appreciated.

Cap

Scorpio33
12-02-07, 11:40
Hello Folks:
This isn't a report, but more of a travel query. Are there any travel sites like c-trip that allow booking or give information on flights from Hong Kong into China?
CapHi Cappy,

Have you given zuji.com a try? The full HK version of their site is at: http://www.zuji.com.hk

Typically they have some decent online deals all over Asia. However, there are often some strict limitations for the cheapest tickets - ie: must use Visa card; must travel with 2 people; must stay 3 days, but no more then 5; etc. It just really depends on where you're going and the time of year. Several weeks ago, they had a return fare from HKG to XMN for HK$588 plus tax.

Scorpio

Traveler1234
12-02-07, 13:47
I'm heading to HK for the first time next week. Just a couple questions about the 141 site. If they have the address, does that mean you can just show up or do you need to make an appointment? I assume you just show up since some show only the phone number. I'll be staying at the Cosmopolitan near causeway so if anyone knows of anything nearby I'd appreciate it.

Thanks

Do your homework first, make sure you have a list of girls and/or alternative venues (building or floor) and if you use a pda or mobile phone with internet access, note you can see the menu of girls on the site while you're hunting. Not all the girls are in and/or working, so it is hit and miss.

Then away you go.....walk to the first building or location of choice...it's all hit and miss.

Knock on the door, check her out before you enter....you are not obligated to walk in so be a little 'selective'. Trust me, the girls won't be 'insulted', it happens to them all the time.

BruceTea
12-02-07, 14:44
I've seen a lot of barber shop signs outside of buildings in the Temple Street/Jordan area. What are those places? Surely, they can't all be actual barber shops!

Thanks.Haha,

(1) Is it a large place? If it is, it's for sex.

(2) Is it open at late night? If it is, it's for sex.

(3) Are there more guys than girls outside? If there are...it's for sex.

(4) Go in. If they treat you all too well. It's for sex.

I've never been to a barber shop in the traditional sense in Asia in my life.

FurryFriend
12-03-07, 01:22
Why do I care? Mostly I just want to stay away from any situation where the girl is some sort of near-slave who has been tricked into the business, or who gets virtually nothing while the house or pimp gets virtually everything. I'd much rather go with a girl who is going to earn a decent living out of her job.


The definition of "exploited" is subjective and vague. Exploited means someone is not getting paid what he/she is worth. So it's just a point of view.

A better question to ask is if working girls in Hong Kong are being coerced. And the answer is NO. There is no evidence of slavery or trickery. She's voluntarily doing it because she feels it's in her interest.

Hk Dog
12-03-07, 02:34
Why do I care? Mostly I just want to stay away from any situation where the girl is some sort of near-slave who has been tricked into the business, or who gets virtually nothing while the house or pimp gets virtually everything. I'd much rather go with a girl who is going to earn a decent living out of her job.

So, the question is: in places like 37 Dundas, K-Pressure, or the 1 4 1/hotel girls, do I have to worry about the girls being exploited in these ways? I'm hoping not, but as a newbie I have to ask for input. I have read that tipping to the girl is discouraged, so that means the house controls the money. All knowledgeable opinions welcomed.

Gherkin


I have met a few 141 girls who were forced into the business due to debts owed on the mainland. One girl went back early and told me that the 'agent' harassased her family and was forced to go back to work.

I agree with you completely in not supporting the 'slave' business but it becomes a fine line. For example, one really stunning Thai girl I knew in BKK long ago decided to go to work in Macau because her friend told her it she can make alot of money. She went over on her free will but the mamasan took her passport and forced her to work off a debenture before she saw any money.

So it is a grey area sometimes. In that case the girl went on her own free will but there are many cases where girls are 'tricked'. This is often the case in naive filipina's who are told they are just going to be 'dancers' or just 'talk to guys'.

That is one reason I enjoy the 'freelance' market which is predominatly in Wan Chai. The girls have freely chosen that lifestyle and while they may 'owe' some agent some fees (for getting them a visa and housing) it is entirely their choice of life.

Hk Dog
12-03-07, 02:38
A better question to ask is if working girls in Hong Kong are being coerced. And the answer is NO. There is no evidence of slavery or trickery. She's voluntarily doing it because she feels it's in her interest.


I strongly disagree with that and I bet alot of other long timers have stories to tell of 'coerced' women especially from the 'go go's' on Lockhart road.

Freelance girls are a different story but structured sex business' such as 141 and generally those focused on the masses (such as the Mongkok brothels) it is entirely different.

Sammon
12-03-07, 02:56
Yes, there is some slavery is going on hong kong. I personally know Philippine girls who are brought here on the pretex of getting a legitimate job only to find out they have to sell their bodies to pay off the debt.
I am sure many girls are brought here in the same way.
It is very difficult to know who is co-erced into prostituition and who is not. The girls always tell lies to make you believe they are victims.

Gherkin
12-03-07, 03:39
For me to feel good, I need to know that the girl is doing ok out of the deal. Tipping directly to the girl is one way to help that situation, but again and again I've read that places like 37 Dundas suggest (or is it insist) "no tip".

On the other hand, people continue to report very positively about the enthusiastic service from the girls at 37D (even with no tip expected). Surely we wouldn't see too much of that if the girls weren't doing ok out of the deal. Perhaps naive of me to think so. Perhaps they get beaten if customer says bad service. God, I hope not.

Help me out here, guys. I'm no more hard or soft hearted than anyone else, but if the girl doesn't do well out of it, I can't feel good about bonking her.

At least at a 1 4 1 the money goes into the hands of the girl (although perhaps with horrendous "taxes" to the building and triad - once again, I hope not too bad). It's not that I want to understand every detail of the business, but I do at least want the sex to be properly consenting, not coerced.

Gherkin


Yes, there is some slavery is going on hong kong. I personally know Philippine girls who are brought here on the pretex of getting a legitimate job only to find out they have to sell their bodies to pay off the debt.

I am sure many girls are brought here in the same way.

It is very difficult to know who is co-erced into prostituition and who is not. The girls always tell lies to make you believe they are victims.

Gherkin
12-03-07, 04:16
This web site, http://www.hku.hk/ccpl/pub/occasionalpapers/paper3/paper3-part4.htm has some examples of HK slavery, but in general it says the number of examples is quite small.

Gherkin


I strongly disagree with that and I bet alot of other long timers have stories to tell of 'coerced' women especially from the 'go go's' on Lockhart road.

Freelance girls are a different story but structures sex business' such as 141 and generally those focused on the masses (such as the Mongkok brothels) it is entirely different.

Hk Dog
12-03-07, 10:05
This web site, http://www.hku.hk/ccpl/pub/occasionalpapers/paper3/paper3-part4.htm has some examples of HK slavery, but in general it says the number of examples is quite small.

Gherkin


It is shades of grey. They most likely are not kidnapped off the streets , bundled up and put into the back of a truck and sent to another country like you might see in other areas of the world.

However alot are 'misled' and adopt a 'grin it and bear it' attitude.

Try to arrange a meeting with a Flipper in a go go bar after work. They have to go back to their apt after the bar closes and not allowed to go out unaccompanied. This is a form of slavery since she has no free will on her movements during non working hours.

Manfest
12-03-07, 22:11
I'd much rather go with a girl who is going to earn a decent living out of her job.

in places like 37 Dundas, K-Pressure, or the 1 4 1/hotel girls, do I have to worry about the girls being exploited in these ways? I'm hoping not, but as a newbie I have to ask for input. I have read that tipping to the girl is discouraged, so that means the house controls the money. All knowledgeable opinions welcomed.


I completely agree that the girls should do well on this deal too. Most opinions so far are that the gogo's are NOT good situations for the girls (possibly not all of them), nevertheless, I don't have any experience with this venue. 37 and K I do know... my superficial understanding is that they make out pretty well, are there only briefly to make some dough and then head back home. No long indentured servitude. In the end, some middlemen (mama, transport, hotels, owner, etc) make alot too, but that is reality everywhere. Same for 141.

Hk Dog
12-04-07, 01:41
I completely agree that the girls should do well on this deal too. Most opinions so far are that the gogo's are NOT good situations for the girls (possibly not all of them), nevertheless, I don't have any experience with this venue. 37 and K I do know... my superficial understanding is that they make out pretty well, are there only briefly to make some dough and then head back home. No long indentured servitude. In the end, some middlemen (mama, transport, hotels, owner, etc) make alot too, but that is reality everywhere. Same for 141.



I believe that girls in places like 37 and K pressure also have limited movement once they are 'off work'. It is alot different then lets say a stripper in the West who when work finishes she can do whatever she likes. Girls in HK that cater towards the masses cannot usually do what they want after work. They are controlled by their minders.

Only those who have HK ID's have more freedom. That is why the girls in the 141's tend to be older since they had to put in some 'time' to get the ID.

Gherkin
12-04-07, 03:47
In the end, some middlemen (mama, transport, hotels, owner, etc) make alot too, but that is reality everywhere. Same for 141.I don't mind the idea of the girl's handlers doing well too, as long as the girl does ok. From what I've heard so far, I'm looking forward to coming to HK and trying out the places mentioned. Thanks for all responses so far.

Gherkin

Gherkin
12-04-07, 08:13
Gentlemen

For mongering purposes, should I come to HK.

- a week before Chinese New Year
- during Chinese New Year (I presume not - girls home with family?)
- the week after Chinese New Year
- further away from Chinese New Year
- Chinese New year doesn't matter at all

Thks

Gherkin

Gherkin
12-04-07, 08:18
[wanted to say I did RTFF and the recent post about CNY which said to avoid that particular week, but didn't touch upon whether before or after was a better bet. --G]

Nghowaan
12-04-07, 17:56
I was reading the Japan forum and out of curiosity jump into the Hong Kong forum. Being a local in Hong Kong, I can tell you some of the comments you see here is plain wrong. At least that is not something the locals will do. Well, here you go, the guide from a Hong Kong person.

The first thing you need to know is get laid with a hooker/girl in Hong Kong is legal, as long as she is 18 or above. Being a hooker is also legal as long as she work for herself. (self employ). Even if you get caught by a police, you should not panic. They will just take a look your ID/passport and you can leave. But then, if the girl is 18 or below, you will be in DEEP DEEP trouble. (read jail) Always check the ID first if you are into one night stand. You know, most foreigners can't really tell the age of an asian.

The easiest way to get laid is to get on google and search the word "Sex" "141". You should come up with a website which have tons of girls you can choose from. The website itself do not provide any escort service, it is just a platform for the hookers to get customers. The website sorted by location. Most of the pretty chicks are in Shim Shai Tsui and Causeway Bay. Price ranges from $300 to $2000 Hongkies. Warning. Any girls below $400 will be freaking old. You have been warned!! Once you find the one you want, you could find the address under the picture. Take a taxi and go there. For most higher price girls, they need reservation. You will need to make a call and ask for availability. If she is available, the pimp will ask you to take a taxi to go to a pre-arranged hotel. Once you get to the hotel, you will need to call the pimp again and he will tell you the room number. You will go straight to the room. Beware that sometimes the girl in the room might not be the same one you saw on the website. If that is the case, just say no and leave unless she is prettier. However, most of the girls you see on the website should be exactly the same one when you go to the hotel room. The pimp want to make long term relationship afterall.

For the price from $300 up to $1400, all those chicks are NOT Hong Kong girls. Hong Kong chicks starting from $1500 and up. They are not cheap. Anything below $1500, they are from mainland China. This is a golden rule in Hong Kong, if the price tag is lower than $1500, 99.9% the chick you are screwing is not from Hong kong. For those mainland China chicks, do not expect they say a word of English. However, you should have no problem to communicate with a Hong Kong girl in English. They might speak with accent, but at least you don't need to use your hand to communicate like you do with mainland China girls.

To be honest, I usually just pick the mainland China girls. They are cheaper and usually have bigger tits. I can speak mandarin anyway, so communication is not a big problem for me. However, if you require someone to speak English, you might need to pick a Japanese, Korean or Hong Kong girl on the website.

A cheaper alternative for young chicks is to go to Portland street. When you go there, you should see a "KFC" at the junction. You will see a lot of yellow signs that said "指壓". Those are cheap, starting from $280 and up. When you go up there, a pimp will start calling girls to come. You can turn down 2 or 3 girls before you get into the room. Nothing special, shower, BJ, sex in 45 minutes, very mechanical, but you get the job done. All these chicks are from mainland China. Sometimes you might find some pretty one here, but sex 141 usually have a higher chance to get what you want.


Kareoke club - You will need a local to bring you there. Most Hong Kong people will go to Kareoke club. They are separated into 3 kinds. The first kind is the low end which all chicks are from mainland China. These clubs usually found in Shim Sha Tsui. You will have a KTV room to sing and have girls to sit with you. You can finger them if you like, but just not too horney. The going rate is $500 for 2 and half hour having a girl sitting next to you, another $1000 for sex. Of course you will need to pay for KTV room. A small room for 4 people is around $1500. You will need to order beer until you reach the minimum. You can pick whatever girls you want. The manager will bring you girls to choose. On a busy night peak hours(9pm - 11pm), you might need to wait for girls because all of them are working. The 2nd kind basially is the same as the first one except these clubs in Wan Chai. (No, not those cheap bars you see on the street in Wan Chai) Unless you have a local to bring you there, you have no clue where they are. The going rate having a girl sitting next to you for 4 hours is $1000 and $2000 for sex, the KTV room charge is usually $2500 and up for a small room. *Usually* the girls in Wan Chai is a bit taller and prettier, but to be honest, I don't see that much difference. The third kind is the most expensive one. Girls are from Hong Kong. The going rate having a girl sits with you + drink is around $2500 per head a night, no room charge. The fee already include the girl + drinks + room charge. Sex is not gurantee and you will need to ask the girl. And you can't finger them in anyway or they will just leave the room. If you are lucky enough and the girl do happen to like you, the price tag for 1 shot is $2000 and up. So, we are talking 5 grand a night at the minimum. You might ask, why kareoke club? The reason is that Hong Kong people would like to sing and drink with friends. After they have all the fun, they got the choice to have sex. The Kareoke club is more like a place for friends to hang out and drink, sex is optional.

One night stand - to be honest, if you are after Hong Kong girls, you are really out of luck unless you look like Brad Pitt. Most Hong Kong girls are not really into foreigners, especially strangers. Your best bet is pubs in Lan Kwai Fong. You might get a chance to meet OL and Hong Kong girls who speak fluent English over there. If the Hong Kong girls speaks perfect English, most likely she is working in a first tier bank somewhere in Central who meet foreigners on a daily basis. No fantasy here, they know all about you (foreigners). However, as I said, unless you are handsome, the chance of getting one night stand with Hong Kong girls is not high. But then. there are lot of philpinos there if you are not too picky.

Well, that's all I can share with you guys. Happy hunting.

NOW, someone please point me to a decent Japan and Korea guide....

NgHoWaan

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Pointpanic
12-04-07, 21:30
Sorry for asking question that I might pick up by reading prior posts but I do not get into HK very often and stay in Kowloon area when I do. Know about 141 site but wanted to go to good pick up bar in Kowloon. Any thoughts are appreciated.

I did some searches and learned that Hari's in Holiday Inn and JJ's in Hyatt are pretty good late in evening and that Sticky Fingers can be good. Would still appreciate some input

Hk Dog
12-05-07, 02:15
). However, as I said, unless you are handsome, the chance of getting one night stand with Hong Kong girls is not high.

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I am no Brad Pitt but I have done ok with first time HK local girls. I think you are off base here. The key to getting them in the sack is the size of your wallet not looks.

Traveler1234
12-05-07, 04:01
I was reading the Japan forum and out of curiosity jump into the Hong Kong forum. Being a local in Hong Kong, I can tell you some of the comments you see here is plain wrong. At least that is not something the locals will do. Well, here you go, the guide from a Hong Kong person.


Kareoke club - You will need a local to bring you there. Most Hong Kong people will go to Kareoke club. They are separated into 3 kinds. The first kind is the low end which all chicks are from mainland China. These clubs usually found in Shim Sha Tsui. You will have a KTV room to sing and have girls to sit with you. You can finger them if you like, but just not too horney. The going rate is $500 for 2 and half hour having a girl sitting next to you, another $1000 for sex. Of course you will need to pay for KTV room. A small room for 4 people is around $1500. You will need to order beer until you reach the minimum. You can pick whatever girls you want. The manager will bring you girls to choose. On a busy night peak hours(9pm - 11pm), you might need to wait for girls because all of them are working. The 2nd kind basially is the same as the first one except these clubs in Wan Chai. (No, not those cheap bars you see on the street in Wan Chai) Unless you have a local to bring you there, you have no clue where they are. The going rate having a girl sitting next to you for 4 hours is $1000 and $2000 for sex, the KTV room charge is usually $2500 and up for a small room. *Usually* the girls in Wan Chai is a bit taller and prettier, but to be honest, I don't see that much difference. The third kind is the most expensive one. Girls are from Hong Kong. The going rate having a girl sits with you + drink is around $2500 per head a night, no room charge. The fee already include the girl + drinks + room charge. Sex is not gurantee and you will need to ask the girl. And you can't finger them in anyway or they will just leave the room. If you are lucky enough and the girl do happen to like you, the price tag for 1 shot is $2000 and up. So, we are talking 5 grand a night at the minimum. You might ask, why kareoke club? The reason is that Hong Kong people would like to sing and drink with friends. After they have all the fun, they got the choice to have sex. The Kareoke club is more like a place for friends to hang out and drink, sex is optional.


Nice update and thanks for the inside tips re the local KTV scene. Out of curiosity, the old Volvo club in Wanchai - haven't been there in years but is that tier 2?

Rick Hunter
12-05-07, 04:08
However, as I said, unless you are handsome, the chance of getting one night stand with Hong Kong girls is not high.


I am no Brad Pitt but I have done ok with first time HK local girls. I think you are off base here. The key to getting them in the sack is the size of your wallet not looks.

Generally agree with most of what Nghowaan said and it provides a summary of part of the scene in HK from a local perspective.

I have to disagree with him somewhat about local HK girls and expats. I think for those just passing through town in would be hard to have a one night stand but not if you live here. Many of my staff comment on how lucky I am to be a gwielo and the advantages that it provides.

I agree with HKDog it seems the size of ones wallet is a huge attraction here. Some girls seem to get wet here as soon as they see your business card or hear where you live.

Also there are many HK girls that have gone overseas for schooling and some come back with a thing for white guys. I have more than one HK female friend who will pick up a white guy for fun. I will agree that Nghowaan that those who are pretty and have great English tend to have good jobs (I have some working for me) so they will not be looking for any poor slob.

Other than pay for play I tend to stay away from HK girls for one night stands. Central is too small and you never know when you are going to be walking into a bank or law firm and have to deal with an awkward situation. Too many other options.