Jakarta

[The Eplorer]

5 % of that info was taken from Facebook pictures included. First point of call these days for the press. It's publicly available information, free and quotable. The guys innocence or guilt makes no difference, the guy and girls quoted by the press wrote it themselves and posted it in the public domain. It's a scary thought.


I was amazed at the amount of personal details of everybody, both victims and accused, was published in these papers. In the (unlikely) event that this bloke is innocent his face is kmown world-wide, but this is one thing. Worse is that every single detail of the girls life was spelled out. In the Netherlands this is not even done by the most scandal-lusting daily paper. Is this normal in Britain and Hong Kong?

Regards,

Ko

[FreebieFan]

I was amazed at the amount of personal details of everybody, both victims and accused, was published in these papers. In the (unlikely) event that this bloke is innocent his face is kmown world-wide, but this is one thing. Worse is that every single detail of the girls life was spelled out. In the Netherlands this is not even done by the most scandal-lusting daily paper. Is this normal in Britain and Hong Kong?

Regards.

Ko.Very normal in Britain sadly. Everyone has to know everything BEFORE any trial. Names of GF's, ex gfs, co workers etc, every facebook photo taken for everyone to see, even the guys Bloomberg account on display. Sadly we live in a world of instant fame / infamy. Sometimes the older more private days were just a bit better.

[Hilo77]

Which is why nobody, especially gentlemen like ourselves who enjoy our particular past time, should have a FaceBook account in their own names.

Get yourself nicked by the local plod and the next thing you know some reptile from the Daily Mail is scouring through your FaceBook page picking the most insalubrious pictures they can find of you, most of which involve you holding a glass of something at some club or party (old Joe Kennedy, a man of our predilections, warned his sons never to photographed with a drink in their hands as that would be the photo used by the press to show what drunks they were in later years). Billions of people worldwide have made the FaceBook founders extremely wealthy by kindly providing them with their names, addresses, dates of birth, jobs, current location, names of their wives and kids and of course a gazillion photographs, which those billionaires then turn into cash and it's all free to them, it's staggering when you think about it.

Don't get me wrong FaceBook can be a very useful tool in our hobby particularly in hooking up with ladies who are somewhat less security conscious than us when it comes to their personal details. I have several FaceBook accounts none of which are in my real name (the one I use for my closest family, I have the sum total of 20 "friends" on it, has a near approximation to a name my family would be familiar with). I do not provide my real date of birth, my address, my place of work or any other piece of information that could in anyway link the pages to me.

My advice to anyone here is to go through their FB and Twitter accounts and start deleting like billy-oh, I don't for one minute suggest that anyone here is about to murder some bar girls but ask yourself why does anyone need to see the information you are providing? Who are all these 3,760 "friends" that have access to your personal details and photos of your wife and kids and why should you provide them with this valuable information?

As a wiser man than me said: "Remember, you don't have an account on FaceBook, FaceBook has an account on you".

[Menteng]

How many local women do we know in Jakarta who have a relationship with a bule, but still meet other men either to earn an extra buck or pass the lonely nights with someone else when partner is out of town? One of those bule guys in Jakarta might be inspired by what happened in Hong Kong. Or am I very much exaggerating it?

[Hilo77]

How many local women do we know in Jakarta who have a relationship with a bule, but still meet other men either to earn an extra buck or pass the lonely nights with someone else when partner is out of town? One of those bule guys in Jakarta might be inspired by what happened in Hong Kong. Or am I very much exaggerating it?I don't think there's any wider lesson to be drawn from this case. We have an arrogant, public-school (that's expensive private school to non-Brits) educated, financial-services whizz kid, who has a serious cocaine and alcohol problem living the wild expat life in Asia and who appears to have got himself into difficulties (the reports are his trading licence was suspended the day of the first killing) and who cracks up. It's horrible for the poor girls and one has the deepest sympathy for them to meet their fate at the hands of such a fuck-wit loser but I don't think anything they did had any relevance to their ultimate fate, they were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Well, there is one lesson to be learned and one which I learned to my cost only recently; blokes like him are the people who are managing your pensions and savings, you might have been wondering why the returns on your investment have been so consistently poor over the years, well have a look at him and his colleagues and wonder no more.

[SeaTraveler]

Higher-end and higher-priced spas include Alexis and Malioboro. Alexis costs more and is higher-end (you will spend well over 1. 5 million here, RTFF) while Malioboro offers both Indonesian girls (over 750,000 rupiah) and foreign girls (well over 1 million rupiah). Both places offers in-house sessions that may last 1 to 2 hours; take-out is rare and would be expensive.

Lower-end and lower-priced massage spas include Travel and Classic, as well as Maribaya Spa (Hotel Melawai, Blok M) and, up north in Kota, Berlian and Kartika, which offers body-to-body full body slide massage (similar to nuru).I have been to Maribaya 4 times in the past month. I enjoy the service there and all the girls I have met have been pretty, at least to me.

What can I expect above and beyond what I get at Maribaya if I go to Alexis or Malioboro? I usually stay in the Blok M area and would like to know the uptick, in exchange for the traffic, taxi ride and higher cost to go there. I realize most of this is personal taste and subjective rather than objective, but I would like a few opinions from those who have visited both.

Thanks,

Traveler

[John Aldrich]

I have been to Maribaya 4 times in the past month. I enjoy the service there and all the girls I have met have been pretty, at least to me.

What can I expect above and beyond what I get at Maribaya if I go to Alexis or Malioboro? I usually stay in the Blok M area and would like to know the uptick, in exchange for the traffic, taxi ride and higher cost to go there. I realize most of this is personal taste and subjective rather than objective, but I would like a few opinions from those who have visited both.

Thanks,

TravelerAbsolutely right Traveler. I enjoy Maribaya. The girls know their job and how to please. I have been to Alexis a few times and the girls may be hot. But once in the room, they are prosaic and robot like. Alexis is fine for the 5th floor massage with the Chinese girls. But the true VFM is Maribaya.

[Smoothy]

I have been to Alexis a few times and the girls may be hot. But once in the room, they are prosaic and robot like.I have the same experience. I think poor service is the norm at all of the up market places like that. And don't be surprised if the girls whip out a condom for the BJ in Alexis. I know this has been said many times on this forum, but the service at Maribaya is far better than Alexis. However, the girls at Alexis are far prettier and the rooms are far nicer. Alexis is absolutely not value for money compared to other places in Jakarta. The girls are hot, but you can find just as hot girls elsewhere in Jakarta for a lot less money and they give you better service. After living in Jakarta 15 years, I have been to Alexis maybe 5 times. I have been to Maribaya at least 300 times. (Although maybe only a few times in the last few years because the talent level has dropped drastically.) I personally like value for money and good service. When I first came to Jakarta, I would make sure the girls got me off 3 times in an hour at Maribaya and they never complained. I don't have the strength for that anymore, but I doubt they would mind if I could still pull it off.

I've attached a photo many of you who have been to Maribaya will recognize.

[Mighty Spearsman]

Latest article about the horrible murders in Hong Kong, both girls now identified as Indonesian.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/horror-hits-hong-kongs-famed-red-light-district/ar-BBd7ZKt

May the two young ladies rest in peace.

[Member #4410]

Latest article about the horrible murders in Hong Kong, both girls now identified as Indonesian.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/horror-hits-hong-kongs-famed-red-light-district/ar-BBd7ZKt

May the two young ladies rest in peace.What strikes me is that a guy this young is already completely derailed by a "love hurts syndrome". He seems to completely unaware that you can't always have it your way. There is a generation of financial whizzkids who have lost all contact with the real world. High time for a crash course in reality for a large number of people, but who's listening to me?

Regards,

Ko.

[Member #4410]

What strikes me is that a guy this young is already completely derailed by a "love hurts syndrome". He seems to completely unaware that you can't always have it your way. There is a generation of financial whizzkids who have lost all contact with the real world. High time for a crash course in reality for a large number of people, but who's listening to me?

Regards,

Ko.Gruesome it really is, but let's get back to Jakarta.

Regards,

Ko.

[Smoothy]

Latest article about the horrible murders in Hong Kong, both girls now identified as Indonesian.Both of them look pretty cute too.



Maybe this will serve to cause the girls to think twice about leaving Indonesia and going to Hong Kong, Japan, Singapore, etc. A lot of the nicest girls from the Blok ended up going to those countries to make more money and it decreased the quality of girls found in Jakarta. My ex girlfriend was friends with a girl who recruited girls to go to Japan (her boyfriend was a Japanese guy). She focused on the Blok M bar girls and karaoke girls. They used to meet at Baso Karapitan in Blok M Plaza to sign the contracts. One of my favorite Blok M girls from the early 2000's went to Japan for 5 years. I saw her in BATS after she had returned to Jakarta and she still looked quite good. She told me she liked Japan so much (big money) that she desperately wanted to go back. I haven't seen her for years now, so maybe she went back.

[Firebird]

PLease note that JAD is "retired" for number of reasons and no longer provides his services. Sad to say.

[Smoothy]

Please note that JAD is "retired" for number of reasons and no longer provides his services. Sad to say.That is sad. JAD is a Jakarta legend and a fun guy to hang out with. I took his "Adult Disneyland" tour back in 2001 (he advertised in the Jakarta post). Back then, the internet didn't say much about Jakarta and there weren't many tourists in town, just guys who had been sent here for work. I had been visiting Jakarta for 4 years fairly frequently before then, but moved to town in 2001. At that time, my friends and I really only knew the typical expat places like Bali Hai, Lintas Melawai, Top Gun, Oscars, CJs, BATS, Tiga Puluh, Tanamur and JJ's. Some of my friends had lived in Jakarta over 10 years, but they didn't know much about North Jakarta.

JAD's tour introduced me to the places in North Jakarta. That night, we met at the Hyatt and he took me to Kartika, Bintang Mawar, Hotel Travel (quite different from what it is now), Orchard hotel, Medika, Today's Country (Tiara Ceria), and a place that just had some girls sitting in a room that you could select and take home. At the time, the price in those places was not more than 150 k in any of them. I think Medika was 100 k and the girl there was stunning (they only had curtains on the rooms though, no doors to the rooms). JAD would have gladly shown me other places, but I was shagged out and ready to go home. That was back in the golden days of Jakarta though when it was still pretty much the best kept secret in the world. His tour was almost mandatory back then if you wanted to learn the less known places in Jakarta. Now with the internet, there are not many secrets anymore. Jakarta is still fun, but the "innocence" of the place is not what it was.

I used to love it when I would go up North to places and the girls had never been with a bule before because not many bules knew about those places. And back then, the freelance girls never bargained before going home with you for the night, they just accepted the normal going rate the next morning. I can't even remember one ever counting the money in the morning. I think the norm was 300 k at the time if I remember correctly. It wasn't until Jakarta wasn't so secret anymore and the sex tourists started hitting town that the girls started quoting a price up front and the rate went up drastically.

I often tell new people in town to take JAD's tour when they first arrive. Sure it's possible to do research on the internet to learn the places to go now. But I think saving hours of research time, having a guy who can interpret for you in person, and tell you the price and how much to tip, is a good investment for new guys in town. It's a shame to hear he's calling it quits.

A toast to JAD!

[Firebird]

Smoothy, very well written. I saw JAD this past week in the Shangri-La. Really nice guy. I also took his tour when I first started going to Jakarta several years ago. I am sure his services will be missed. We spoke a long time when we met. His decision to "retire" was a religious one. He asked me to send his regards to all his ISG friends.

Over the several nights I was in Jakarta I pulled several from BATS and one from TOP GUN. The girl from TOP GUN looked quite nice in the place but when I brought here to my room, totally changed. Sometimes you win. Sometimes not. BATS had a good selection ofr talent.

Take Care All. I wish only the Best to JAD. He will be missed.

[Member #4410]

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JAD's tour introduced me to the places in North Jakarta. That night, we met at the Hyatt and he took me to Kartika, Bintang Mawar, Hotel Travel (quite different from what it is now), Orchard hotel, Medika, Today's Country (Tiara Ceria), and a place that just had some girls sitting in a room that you could select and take home. At the time, the price in those places was not more than 150 k in any of them. I think Medika was 100 k and the girl there was stunning (they only had curtains on the rooms though, no doors to the rooms). JAD would have gladly shown me other places, but I was shagged out and ready to go home. That was back in the golden days of Jakarta though when it was still pretty much the best kept secret in the world. His tour was almost mandatory back then if you wanted to learn the less known places in Jakarta. Now with the internet, there are not many secrets anymore. Jakarta is still fun, but the "innocence" of the place is not what it was.

<SNIP>

A toast to JAD!I came to Jakarta for the first time in 1991 and at that time the Hotmen Bar was quite famous. The name was just an abbreviation of the hotels' name, Hotel Menteng, but it was very appropriate. It was loaded with "self employed young women", as they were called at the time and was very popular with expats. I remember taking quite a number of SYT's back to my hotel (Kartika Plaza, ah! Memories.) The next time I came to Jakarta, in 1995, the Hotmen Bar had degenerated into a meeting place for the gay community and I switched to Blok M. The Tambora was in full swing then.

Funny that nobody else remembers the Hotmen Bar.

Regards,

Ko.

[GoodEnough]

I came to Jakarta for the first time in 1991 and at that time the Hotmen Bar was quite famous. The name was just an abbreviation of the hotels' name, Hotel Menteng, but it was very appropriate. It was loaded with "self employed young women", as they were called at the time and was very popular with expats. I remember taking quite a number of SYT's back to my hotel (Kartika Plaza, ah! Memories.) The next time I came to Jakarta, in 1995, the Hotmen Bar had degenerated into a meeting place for the gay community and I switched to Blok M. The Tambora was in full swing then.

Funny that nobody else remembers the Hotmen Bar.

Regards,

Ko.I remember it well as it was one of my favorite haunts in 1988 through about 1992. Wonderfully sleazy, full of syts, and horny expats.

GE.

[Hilo77]

His decision to "retire" was a religious one. Well good for him, each to their own I suppose. The same reason the legendary Tanamur closed down.

Hey, what's that which just flew past me in the breeze? A straw? There seem to be quite a few of them these days.

I've bored friends and colleagues on this subject before but I suspect the scene in Jakarta ten years hence will not resemble anything it is today and most certainly nothing like it was ten years ago. Good thing my old prostate will probably have packed up by then, if the cirrhosis hasn't finished me off I'll at least have the consolation of a choice selection of photos and memories to keep me going.

Feel sorry for the younger guys mind you.

(That's if any of them can even access the site, the powers that be have now managed to block the anonymiser software too, it's down to Tor now. Dammit, where are all these straws blowing from?

[Smoothy]

Funny that nobody else remembers the Hotmen Bar.
Although I have heard many great stories about both over the years, Hotmen and Tambora had both gone under by the time I arrived in town. Pentagon was still open in Blok M when I arrived, but it didn't last long before closing down. I used to love watching the girls dance in front of the mirror at Pentagon late at night. Even Tanamur was on it's way down when I had first arrived, but it was still great fun. I miss that place for fun, but not for the parking mafia outside. They wanted 10,000 rupiah for parking back in the days where everyone else wanted 1,000. Tanamur was the only place in town I can recall that allowed lady boys inside. Luckily they stayed upstairs while everyone else was downstairs. And they had those hot sexy dancers in the rafters that every guy wanted, but nobody got to take them home as far as I know. Same with the smoking hot big breasted chick in the back part of the bar who always wore that shiny USA bikini top. I don't know anyone who ever got with her either. That place was wild. It was not only a good place to pick up working girls, but also the best place in town to pick up university girls out to have a good time.

JJ's right next to Tanamur was another great place. Remember when JJ's used to have that huge projection TV over the dance floor and they would show that animated porno "Once Upon A Girl"? Haha. That's the only place in Jakarta I've ever seen have the guts to show that kind of video in the open. The best times I had in Jakarta were when I first arrived. I imagine had I arrived in the early 90's it would have been even better.

[Smoothy]

The same reason the legendary Tanamur closed down.
Is that really why Tanamur closed? The last couple of years it was open, it was never busy anymore. There would rarely ever be over 10 people in there those last couple of years. I thought they just closed it because it was already dead quiet and Stadium had just opened so that put the nail in their coffin as the best late late night place.

Tanamur was voted best night club in all of Asia for over 10 years in the 90's. But by the early to mid 2000's, it was quite dire.

[Hilo77]

Is that really why Tanamur closed? The last couple of years it was open, it was never busy anymore. There would rarely ever be over 10 people in there those last couple of years. I thought they just closed it because it was already dead quiet and Stadium had just opened so that put the nail in their coffin as the best late late night place.

Tanamur was voted best night club in all of Asia for over 10 years in the 90's. But by the early to mid 2000's, it was quite dire.The guy who ran it was an Arab-Indonesian and his family owned the land with his uncle providing the financing, he wanted to revamp and expand the place but his uncle who had gone on the haj was very unhappy about being involved in the business and insisted that the place be shut down. The nephew did his best to try and keep it going but eventually conceded and the place folded.

Note Stadium is now closed, as is Today Country before it, and neither will reopen, now in each case you can say that they shut for different reasons but when I say Jakarta is changing I mean the free-wheeling, easy-going place of the past will be gone, with a few super-knocking shops run by a small tight business group which provide a generic not very satisfying service restricted to specific "ghettos" will be the future. The small-time, free-lance places where you can relax and have fun scattered across town will be gone.

Think about how you used to be able to buy liquor off the shelf of Hero supermarket ten years ago but now can only find it in specific, expensive, monopolistic outlets restricted to certain locations. The future is clear and the underlying reason behind it seems fairly obvious too.

Maybe I'm just too pessimistic.

[Member #4537]

Jakarta is changing I mean the free-wheeling, easy-going place of the past will be gone, with a few super-knocking shops run by a small tight business group which provide a generic not very satisfying service restricted to specific "ghettos" will be the future. The small-time, free-lance places where you can relax and have fun scattered across town will be gone.

Think about how you used to be able to buy liquor off the shelf of Hero supermarket ten years ago but now can only find it in specific, expensive, monopolistic outlets restricted to certain locations. The future is clear and the underlying reason behind it seems fairly obvious too.

Maybe I'm just too pessimistic.There's simply too much money to be made even by the government for these places to shut down permanently. Give it a few months and Stadium will be back.

Liquor isn't only available in expensive and exclusive places. I know a handful of small corner shops across town selling for prices almost the same as Duty Free shops.

As a full-time sexpat I don't see any declining trend in the scene here (compared to Thailand or Sing), just that getting BBBJ and BBFS has become harder or needs more tips.

[Hilo77]

As a full-time sexpat I don't see any declining trend in the scene here (compared to Thailand or Sing), just that getting BBBJ and BBFS has become harder or needs more tips.Yeah, maybe you're right and I am just being too pessimistic but it seems to me that in the years since I've been here, little incremental changes have been made, here and there and always for a variety of good reasons but all of which, combined, show a picture of a changing environment, we're not about to turn into Kabul, don't get me wrong, perhaps more like Malaysia than the Jakarta of old. I agree the money-men will ensure there is always action in Jakarta but with the combination of one ethnic group's piety and another ethnic group's fondness for market control it will be a much more rigidly controlled scene. Out in the sticks (and by the sticks I include towns that most of us would regard as part of "Jakarta") it will be even more difficult.

Forgive me for going off on a tangent but let us imagine someone who first arrived in the fun-capital of West Java, Bandung, a mere 10 or 15 years ago and who enjoyed the free-wheeling life of a young man about town in a relaxed and friendly city in Indonesia back then. Let us imagine he has recently returned for the first time and has checked into his favourite hotel looking forward to catching up on old times. So first of all as it's early he hooks up his lap top to read on ISG about the local scene and maybe surf a little porn. What's this? All the sites are blocked, he logs on to his privacy software, it too is blocked, wow, since when did the authorities give a hoot about what we watch on the computer? That's a surprise.

Anyway he goes out for a wander around town, as usual the schoolkids greet him as they always did with a "Hello Mister!" from the boys and a shy smile from the girls. In the old days he was a younger man and might have admired the shapely forms of the older high school girls in their tight fitting knee-length skirts, short-sleeved shirts and long hair (yeah, I know I'm coming a across as a bit creepy here but bear with me I do have a point), now he has no idea what they look like as their hair is all covered up and they're wearing big voluminous baggy skirts and long sleeves. Thinking this is odd he asks around and is told they must now dress like this by law, as must the female local-government workers. Hmm, that's a change he thinks.

Well it's early doors so he decides to pick up a bottle of whiskey from the local supermarket like he used to, the clerk wonders what on earth he's talking about, they haven't been allowed to sell booze in ages. Oh, then I'll pop across to Circle K to pick up a few Bintangs instead, oops, sorry mister we can't sell beer here in West Java, it's against the law now.

He goes back to his hotel and wonders what has happened to the Bandung he used to know, no doubt he will still strike lucky tonight in some bar or club but he just wonders, given the way things are going, whether it would even be worth coming back in ten years time.

It's all incremental and I can see similar things in Jakarta (only last week my local Giant supermarket stopped selling beer, the old days of picking up nice girls on the Busway are gone now that we have gender-segregated buses), they successfully banned Vimeo, how long before the dating sites and Tinder join the list? If I asked whether in ten years time Jakarta will be more like Bandung today, or Bandung will be more like Jakarta ten years ago, I think we all know what the answer would be.

Like I say, the Taliban are not at the gates but things are getting tighter and tighter, a little bit here, a little bit there, so slowly you might not notice it, but in my opinion the future is clear.

But ignore me, I'm just an old misery guts.

[Smoothy]

The guy who ran it was an Arab-Indonesian and his family owned the land with his uncle providing the financing, he wanted to revamp and expand the place but his uncle who had gone on the haj was very unhappy about being involved in the business and insisted that the place be shut down. The nephew did his best to try and keep it going but eventually conceded and the place folded.I don't know if I buy that, and I could be wrong. But the place is open for 20 years, and when they don't have many customers anymore they finally decide to close it due to religious reasons? If those guys were so religious, why would they keep those places open during the most sacred month of Ramadan. Both JJ's and Tanamur used to be open during Ramadan back in the old days. I was in JJ's once during Ramadan when a bus of "ninja" protesters drove up and the guys got out carrying machetes. They chased everyone out of JJ's, trashed the place, and closed it. But it was open again soon enough. They didn't hurt anyone that night, but I didn't go back there until after Ramadan. I do believe they opened again though before Ramadan was over. After that event, I used to joke with the taxis to take me to JJ's and they would always say "big problem, JJ's. are you sure you want to go there?". haha. Those places stayed popular at the time and didn't close down for another 6 or 7 years after that. I personally think if they could have been assured to make money, they would have likely revamped those places regardless of their religious preferences. They used to have close to a monopoly on late late night fun in Jakarta. However, Stadium was tough to compete with and My Bar had taken most of the expat late night business by then. I'm not sure Tanamur would have been a success even with renovations.

[Smoothy]

Note Stadium is now closed, as is Today Country before it, and neither will reopen, now in each case you can say that they shut for different reasons but when I say Jakarta is changing I mean the free-wheeling, easy-going place of the past will be gone. The small-time, free-lance places where you can relax and have fun scattered across town will be gone.
Both of those places were nice, small (I think only one 747 could fit inside), slow paced places with no mamasans bothering you every minute (at least they would leave you alone for one or two minutes each hour), well lit so you could easily see the girls (provided you carried a flashlight), and you could have a beer and a good chat because the music wasn't too loud (once you went to the shagging rooms). Relaxing is a perfect description for both Stadium and Today's Country. Well, at least I always felt relaxed when I got home after visiting those places. They will be missed.

Seriously though, I get your point. I do agree with you that the fairly recent influx of more organized big places like Malioboro, Classic and others are starting to control the market and will likely drive the smaller places out of business eventually for the most part. Kind of like when Delta came around, it caused most of the small little places to go under. I miss going to La Luna, but it's bankrupt now. Number 65 there was absolutely awesome. Damn Delta Spa. And the hangout spots are going more and more up market like immigrant, dragon fly, cloud, etc. Jakarta is not the old place we used to know back in the days of the Green Pub and when the Hard Rock was in Sarinah. Remember when you could go to Hard Rock, take a right as soon as you walk in and sit at the bar there and pick up girls for an early shag right after work? That doesn't happen at the Hard Rock anymore now that it's in Pacific Place. Hell, I don't know of any place in Jakarta like that anymore.

[Stykler]

It would seem that I will find myself in Jakarta for the Christmas-New Year period. I'm wondering if any of the more experienced members of this forum could provide an insight into the scene at that time of the year? Does Jakarta generally "close down" for that period of time?

Any thoughts on a forced trip that time of the year would also be appreciated.

Thanks.

Styk.

[SeaTraveler]

After a few months in Indonesia having experienced and written about the Jakarta scene, reading the forum inspired me to try the dating websites.

I had one bad experience in Jakarta where the women showed up on the date with her friend. Perhaps I should have seen that one coming, but I did not. We went to dinner at Burger King. Their choice after walking the food court at the mall. And they ordered 2 each of everything they wanted. My bill went from 50 k for me to 250 k after they were done. Of course in Bahasa I had no idea what was going on. I stopped the sale and started over. Got it down to 180 k rupiah.

Went back to the hotel and she talked about staying over. The 3 of us sat in my room for a short while and we agreed to meet tomorrow and she wanted to stay the night. Great.

Next day I get a text and a demand for $120 USD in cash for her to go shopping if she is staying the night. I politely declined saying I was looking for a girlfriend, not a hooker.

That was my crazy night out at the Glass House, Maribaya and CJ's reported earlier.

I have 62 interests from the website, but only 1 really interested me. So we connect 2 weeks ago and chat. The positives are she is cute in a GND sort of way and has a very cheerful upbeat disposition.

I work in Central Java and she is from North Sumatra. I suggest if she wants to meet she must come here. She says ok. After a week of chatting, I buy plane and train tickets at a cost of 2. 5 million.

I have now discovered that she is recovering from a bad breakup 5 months ago with a boyfriend who cheated. Claims she wants to meet, but I must "inspire" her to get over the old love. Today, she says she has no sexual desire at all and that if we are to get into bed together, I must inspire her now and send sexual messages (dirty talk) by Whatsapp. Not used to this, I Google dirty talk and get a webpage with 50 great lines, some of which I use. Seems to work great. She is talking dirty back and says she is really horny. She has some great lines of her own. Then I get the clincher. When we meet, I have to work really hard because it takes her an hour or more to cum.

Yikes. I've had a few of those woman in my life who can't seem to orgasm and never really enjoyed it. Seemed more like work than pleasure.

I am trying to decide if it is worth the effort or not, I also detect a just a small bit of selfishness in the things she says & does with me in communication.

Usually I am very decisive about things like this, but this one is too close to call.

What do you think? Should I keep the date and chalk it up to life experience or should I try to get a refund on the tickets (Lion Air) and just have fun in Jakarta again sometime soon. I only have a few opportunities left to visit Jakarta before I am gone for good so I don't want to waste it on a bad experience.

Thanks for the advice.

Traveler

[Smoothy]

It would seem that I will find myself in Jakarta for the Christmas-New Year period. I'm wondering if any of the more experienced members of this forum could provide an insight into the scene at that time of the year? Does Jakarta generally "close down" for that period of time?

Any thoughts on a forced trip that time of the year would also be appreciated.

Thanks.

Styk.Indonesia is over 90% muslim and that percentage is even higher among working girls. Most Indonesians don't even celebrate Christmas for the most part so it's a non issue. Everything will be open. Many Jakarta expats will go to Bali or home to their own country at that time, so although the same number of girls will be in Jakarta, there is less competition from the guys during that period. The only problem at that time is New Year's eve. The traffic in Jakarta that night around Monas and Ancol is horrible. Avoid those areas that night and it's fine.

[Pipe Layer99]

After a few months in Indonesia having experienced and written about the Jakarta scene, reading the forum inspired me to try the dating websites.
What do you think? Should I keep the date and chalk it up to life experience or should I try to get a refund on the tickets (Lion Air) and just have fun in Jakarta again sometime soon. I only have a few opportunities left to visit Jakarta before I am gone for good so I don't want to waste it on a bad experience.
Thanks for the advice.
TravelerIt's a coin toss. She might be a winner or she might be the opposite. Also, you didn't say how long she would be staying. If she is coming in for a day or 2, you can try it out and hopefully it will be great.
On the other hand, you have been there for awhile and you know what other options available to you. So if you enjoy the other options, you could go that route. At least you know where the money will go.

If you do decide to keep the date, have a backup plan (just in case). Enjoy.

[Stykler]

Indonesia is over 90% muslim and that percentage is even higher among working girls. Most Indonesians don't even celebrate Christmas for the most part so it's a non issue. Everything will be open. Many Jakarta expats will go to Bali or home to their own country at that time, so although the same number of girls will be in Jakarta, there is less competition from the guys during that period. The only problem at that time is New Year's eve. The traffic in Jakarta that night around Monas and Ancol is horrible. Avoid those areas that night and it's fine.Hi Smoothy. Thanks for your response and sound advice. I'm now looking forward to my enforced visit.

Most grateful.

Styk.

[Bule2004]

I work in Central Java and she is from North Sumatra. For me, this would be an easy decision: I would much rather prefer a Javanese than a Batak.

Bule2004.

[Hilo77]

Seriously though, I get your point.... Jakarta is not the old place we used to know back in the days of the Green Pub and when the Hard Rock was in Sarinah. Remember when you could go to Hard Rock, take a right as soon as you walk in and sit at the bar there and pick up girls for an early shag right after work? That doesn't happen at the Hard Rock anymore now that it's in Pacific Place. Hell, I don't know of any place in Jakarta like that anymore.I think you're on to something, what is happening is not some sort of sinister takeover as might have been implied by my overly pessimistic post but more a simple fact that we will all have to get used to and that is that Indonesia, and Jakarta in particular, is simply getting more "respectable".

We all hanker back to the, if not quite wild-west days, then days when people had more to bother them in Indonesia than what a bunch of bules and their hangers-on were doing.

Hard Rock Cafe was a great place when the only people who went there were bar girls and expats, but now nice middle-class Indonesians, perfectly reasonably, want to enjoy the nice places and take their kids there or allow their daughters to go there at night, so the scene needed to be cleaned up. So it was when no respectable Indonesians drank alcohol, only bules did or the low-class punks drinking hooch, as soon as middle-class kids started hanging out at Seven-11 the authorities start worrying they're drinking beer so it has to be clamped down on. Ditto internet porn, when it was restricted to the people who could afford expensive internet costs no one cared, only when all the kids can get it do the authorities feel they need to crack down.

When people become middle class they become more socially conservative. Look at Surabaya, it used to be second only to Jakarta for fun and games, now they love their Mayor there, a middle-aged jilbab wearing woman, but what precisely has she achieved? Well nothing really other than shutting Dolly red-light district and banning the sale of beer, ostensibly to stop kids drinking hooch, because as we all know the best way to stop people drinking hooch is to ban the sale of well-produced legal booze.

This is the future for Indonesia, the crazy old days are past and aren't coming back.

That's why I say Jakarta will become more like Malaysia, the trade will be limited to certain zones and run in strictly controlled ways, you'll have no difficulty getting what you want provided you are willing to go to specific areas to get specific regulated products, but the swinging free and easy days will be over.

It's progress I suppose and from an Indonesian point of view it must be good to see the country developing but I will still hanker after the older days, the more care-free days of wild abandon when Indonesia appeared to be an untamed frontier, somewhere only headcases would want to go, and not the nice sensible -dare one say it boring?- place it is becoming.

[Offshore Swell]

Appreciate the thinking that goes into your posts HL77. And I think your summary of where Indonesia is heading is probably bang on although rest assured it has still got so much going for it. Enjoyment is always relative, ask the Afghan who cracks a fat at the sight of some bare ankles. Jakarta for those who live outside the country is still such a tremendously fun place to visit. Will that experience diminish over time as all those shitbox dives full of Kampung ayam that this correspondent loves get hunted down? Probably. Isn't it the law of diminishing returns?

But rest assured, Jakarta is still so outrageous that if my poor old church of Scotland mum knew the shit that I can get up to in Jakarta, it would spin her brain off.

Which brings me to my latest project, have got a sweet 20 yo, needs money. Will try 3 some but is scared of anal. OS has promised it will not hurt. Anyone want to play DP who can share costs. Need to have around 1. 5 jt, some real MDMA and be prepared to treat this girl respectfully. PM interest.

Best regards.

OS.


I think you're on to something, what is happening is not some sort of sinister takeover as might have been implied by my overly pessimistic post but more a simple fact that we will all have to get used to and that is that Indonesia, and Jakarta in particular, is simply getting more "respectable".

We all hanker back to the, if not quite wild-west days, then days when people had more to bother them in Indonesia than what a bunch of bules and their hangers-on were doing.

Hard Rock Cafe was a great place when the only people who went there were bar girls and expats, but now nice middle-class Indonesians, perfectly reasonably, want to enjoy the nice places and take their kids there or allow their daughters to go there at night, so the scene needed to be cleaned up. So it was when no respectable Indonesians drank alcohol, only bules did or the low-class punks drinking hooch, as soon as middle-class kids started hanging out at Seven-11 the authorities start worrying they're drinking beer so it has to be clamped down on. Ditto internet porn, when it was restricted to the people who could afford expensive internet costs no one cared, only when all the kids can get it do the authorities feel they need to crack down..

[Ceegee]

Jakarta for those who live outside the country is still such a tremendously fun place to visit. Will that experience diminish over time as all those shitbox dives full of Kampung ayam that this correspondent loves get hunted down? Probably. Isn't it the law of diminishing returns?
Interesting discussion. One thing I have noticed, many of the ways to find fun have moved online. I wonder what impact the internet has on the types of mongering places you describe? On my last trip to Jakarta, I did not go to any of the places that are often written about here (BATS / CJs / Blok M etc) instead I simply used the internet to have girls come and meet me at my hotel. I had more girls wanting to come see me than I could handle, and met a couple of gems that I will keep in touch with. Definitely get some duds too this way, but there are ways to weed out as many of them as possible.

[Hilo77]

Anyone want to play DP.As they say in Scotland, you take the high road and I'll take the low road.

What would Pastor MacDougall think of all that?

I suspect you're going to have a full mailbox very soon.

[Ceegee]

What do you think? Should I keep the date and chalk it up to life experience or should I try to get a refund on the tickets (Lion Air) and just have fun in Jakarta again sometime soon. I only have a few opportunities left to visit Jakarta before I am gone for good so I don't want to waste it on a bad experience.
Sounds like you are importing her to where you work, so this will not take away one of your chances to have fun in Jakarta right? If this is taking up one of your chances to go to Jakarta, run away screaming.

Otherwise if all you have to lose is the cost of the transport, I would go ahead with it, but don't be afraid to kick her out if she doesn't put out. Be quite upfront about what you expect before she gets there. Run through what you like to do in bed with her and make sure she is up for it. I love anal, so I always make sure the girls know that and when they arrive at my hotel they know they are going to take it in the ass. Get her on video camera and get her to take some clothes off so you can see what you are signing up for. Don't believe most of the story she is giving you, and make sure you give her back an equally made up story to protect your real identity / location whatever. If she turns out to be an absolute nutter, you don't want her to be able to find you again.

[Master Diver II]

I spoke to JAD last week and he informed me of the change in his life. It is sad for us, yet we should also be happy that he finds his own way in his life. I will still meet him for coffee and a good chat and wish him all the best in whatever he lends his hand at doing. I too took his nightlife tour about 10 years ago, and never looked back. Between JAD and some members I met here, I learnt a lot about Jakarta and Indonesian women. I hope to meet with both JAD and Menteng towards the end of the year or early next year. Cheers bros.


I work in Central Java and she is from North Sumatra. I suggest if she wants to meet she must come here. She says ok. After a week of chatting, I buy plane and train tickets at a cost of 2. 5 million.

I have now discovered that she is recovering from a bad breakup 5 months ago with a boyfriend who cheated. Claims she wants to meet, but I must "inspire" her to get over the old love. Today, she says she has no sexual desire at all and that if we are to get into bed together, I must inspire her now and send sexual messages (dirty talk) by Whatsapp. Not used to this, I Google dirty talk and get a webpage with 50 great lines, some of which I use. Seems to work great. She is talking dirty back and says she is really horny. She has some great lines of her own. Then I get the clincher. When we meet, I have to work really hard because it takes her an hour or more to cum.

Yikes. I've had a few of those woman in my life who can't seem to orgasm and never really enjoyed it. Seemed more like work than pleasure.

I am trying to decide if it is worth the effort or not, I also detect a just a small bit of selfishness in the things she says & does with me in communication.

Usually I am very decisive about things like this, but this one is too close to call.

What do you think? Should I keep the date and chalk it up to life experience or should I try to get a refund on the tickets (Lion Air) and just have fun in Jakarta again sometime soon. I only have a few opportunities left to visit Jakarta before I am gone for good so I don't want to waste it on a bad experience.
TravelerI'd give it a shot if the finances are ok with you. The worst situation is you put her up in some hotel then send her back. I'm just surprised you had to Google dirty talk. I've had a few who take time to orgasm but are crazily into it all the way. I wouldn't let that put me off but, if you don't like the idea, don't do it. From my own fishing on dating sites, I've had a lot of bites from Central Java, so I'm wondering how come you've found nothing there. It seems to ridiculously easy to find women from Bali, Sulawesi, Kalimantan, the whole of Java and Sumatra. I'm sorry, why don't I say almost anywhere in Indonesia. I'd really check what's available nearby too. Incidentally, it's sad to hear anyone say that they'll be leaving for good; make the best of your forays to Jakarta and don't waste a minute. I don't know why you say you're leaving for good, but it certainly can't be good for maintaining your libido levels. Have fun and best of luck.

I've also learned that while it's nice to meet the occasional 9/10, I've found myself much happier with the cute 7/10 girl next door types; the trouble is we're all hounds and can't resist the siren call of those 9's now and then. The thing is that the best sex I had last trip to Jakarta was with a 41 year old (age range of the women I met was between 24 - 41) who clearly wanted to put forward her case for being desirable in bed. She works out at the gym at least three times a week and wants to prove that despite her age, she's a match for any woman. Ah good times. I will see her next trip, but I have yet another lot queued up from the dating sites too.

So yes things change. Things are made more difficult, yet easier if we go with the flow. As the French say, "Plus ca change, plus see'est la meme". I first came to Jakarta in 1997 and foolishly didn't become a regular visitor until 2003 (why did I even wait until 1997 in the first place? I had allowed my friends to drag me to Medan on regular "boys" trips (not to say that this was without pleasure). Nonetheless, once I was hooked, I've been like an addict waiting for his next fix. Things have changed from 1998 to 2003 to 2014; I've been to a lot of the clubs, bars and karaokes (D's, Top Gun, MyBar, CJs, BATS, TigaPuluh, Red Square, Delilah, Three Horse, Today Country, Stadium, NuChina, Immigran, Dragonfly, Cosmos, Zen, 1001) through that period, and although some places have since closed (a moment of silence please gents as we respect the passing of some truly entertaining outlets) other, some may say, inferior outlets have sprung up to fill the void. The thing is that, at least to me, the nature of finding women has also changed. Many have shifted to electronic means of hunting, so it's not that the women aren't around anymore, it's just that you have to hunt for them differently and adapt a new process to wean out the ones you're not interested in. I now make dates rather than go to bars; it's easier on my stomach, liver and ears, which can only be good for my health. I actually get to become friends with quite a few of them; since a lot of them are educated (including doctors, lawyers, dentists, bankers etc) you can actually have a decent conversation with them. Maybe it's because I used to look for women in their early 20's whereas now, I find those in their late 20's much more interesting. Either way that's it, I'll admit I don't know how to stop coming here. Things will change, but we can adapt (or perhaps we ourselves change).

MD II.

[Ceegee]

I've also learned that while it's nice to meet the occasional 9/10, I've found myself much happier with the cute 7/10 girl next door types; the trouble is we're all hounds and can't resist the siren call of those 9's now and then. The thing is that the best sex I had last trip to Jakarta was with a 41 year old (age range of the women I met was between 24 - 41) who clearly wanted to put forward her case for being desirable in bed. She works out at the gym at least three times a week and wants to prove that despite her age, she's a match for any woman. Ah good times. I will see her next trip, but I have yet another lot queued up from the dating sites too.I hear you there. I try to set up age filters on the dating sites between 25 to 45, as I have also had some amazing experiences with early 40's Jakarta ladies. Sometimes when the little head has not had enough attention lately I go looking for the 9/10 girl who is still only 18 years old, but usually after making contact I remember what a hassle they are and sever contact. One memorable girl from my last trip was late 30's with an absolutely enormous set of natural tits. She had kids and some extra weight around the middle but she loved her tits being played with and my cock surging between them was a sight to behold.

Another girl from my last trip who I thought was an experienced bar girl turned out to be a sweet late 20's girl with a normal job who had been dumped by an expat who ran away. As I got to know her better I realised that she is not a bar girl, but had been trained by the expat before he ran away, so her bedroom skills were much higher than you would expect from a 'regular' girl with a day job. So I have stayed in contact with her and we will be friends unless she gets clingy or starts requesting cash when I am not in town.

[Menteng]

I spoke to JAD last week and he informed me of the change in his life. It is sad for us, yet we should also be happy that he finds his own way in his life. I will still meet him for coffee and a good chat and wish him all the best in whatever he lends his hand at doing. I too took his nightlife tour about 10 years ago, and never looked back. Between JAD and some members I met here, I learnt a lot about Jakarta and Indonesian women. I hope to meet with both JAD and Menteng towards the end of the year or early next year. Cheers bros.
MD II.I'm sure we will meet, bro, and I do hope JAD will be present too. But I'm afraid we will not be able to reminisce about the past.

When I first "met" him through his own website, WorldSG, I thought I knew the mongering scene in Jakarta and vicinities well. But one evening, he invited me for a trip to the Daan Mogot area, together with Mighty Spearsman, and proved me wrong!

I wish him peace in mind!

[UsPete]

I came to Jakarta for the first time in 1991 and at that time the Hotmen Bar was quite famous. The name was just an abbreviation of the hotels' name, Hotel Menteng, but it was very appropriate. It was loaded with "self employed young women", as they were called at the time and was very popular with expats. I remember taking quite a number of SYT's back to my hotel (Kartika Plaza, ah! Memories.) The next time I came to Jakarta, in 1995, the Hotmen Bar had degenerated into a meeting place for the gay community and I switched to Blok M. The Tambora was in full swing then.

Funny that nobody else remembers the Hotmen Bar.

Regards,

Ko.There were 3 Hotmen bar clubs. Is it HM I you remember? HM II was for Arabs and Arab Girls near Pasar Cikini, seem to remember HM III was for the school kid discos. They were all in the vicinity of Gondangdia one of the mongering zones that flourished from the 1940's the other one being Princen Park. Chaiul Anwar wrote his poems in the bars and clubs of Gondangdia. HotMen I was certainly in my top 5, as you could pick up a girl and take her into your car for sex then go back and finish your drink (which they kept cold for you). No one hassled you to take a room back then.

Hotmen I is also where Iwan Fals is rumoured to have got his inspiration for the song Lonteku, which must be the only song that openly sings about Indonesian prostitution played on TV.

My best night at HM I was in about 1993 when a stunning model type with an amazing rack walked in crossed the dance floor and dragged me of my bar stool. Her breasts defied gravity and only later in the evening I discovered why. Her rich cendana boyfriend had forced her to abort late in her term the week before. The operation, or its consequences had made her incredibly horny.

[Smoothy]

a trip to the Daan Mogot areaUnless I missed some places that might have been nicer, that area is too down market for me. There might be some very cheap places to go and some nice young girls, but being a bule, I don't feel comfortable in the places I've been. Any recommendations in that area of a place that a bule might feel a bit more comfortable?

[Member #4410]

There were 3 Hotmen bar clubs. Is it HM I you remember? <SNIP> Yes, that's the one. Pretty dark inside and music at hurricane level, but you could see where you were going and, more importantly, you could see the girls.

Regards,

Ko.

[Joel Goodsen]

Her breasts defied gravity and only later in the evening I discovered why. Her rich cendana boyfriend had forced her to abort late in her term the week before. The operation, or its consequences had made her incredibly horny.As abortion is illegal in Indonesia, I always had the notion it would be some dodgy back-room procedure with an unsterilized coat hanger. But this is quite an interesting read from the Jakarta post. http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2013/02/20/abortion-today-still-secret-easy-find.html. By coincidence, Jalan Raden, I think that was not too far from the old Hotmen bars?

Recently I had a minor situation with a girl I met on DIA. I don't have much sex with girls I meet on DIA, but this one had traveled all the way from Bandung, had taken days off from work just to meet, etc. I kind of felt obliged. Anyway, the morning after pill is called Postinor in Indonesia, but it is very hard to come by.

May be it can be found online, but by the time it will arrive via the mail it will fail the idea of morning-after. We could not find it in any of the chemists near Sarinah. We visited 4, nor could she find it in Bandung where she asked for it in 3 different apotiks. Eventually she resorted to the internet advice of taking 4 regular pills at once, which did the trick, thankfully.

[Menteng]

Unless I missed some places that might have been nicer, that area is too down market for me. There might be some very cheap places to go and some nice young girls, but being a bule, I don't feel comfortable in the places I've been. Any recommendations in that area of a place that a bule might feel a bit more comfortable?Too downmarket? I suppose you've never been to Kramat Tunggak or Boker then? Anyway, I don't know if it's still there, but I think Lipstick would be ok. But you had to pick the girl from photos at the reception.

[Master Diver II]

I hear you there. I try to set up age filters on the dating sites between 25 to 45, as I have also had some amazing experiences with early 40's Jakarta ladies. Sometimes when the little head has not had enough attention lately I go looking for the 9/10 girl who is still only 18 years old, but usually after making contact I remember what a hassle they are and sever contact. One memorable girl from my last trip was late 30's with an absolutely enormous set of natural tits. She had kids and some extra weight around the middle but she loved her tits being played with and my cock surging between them was a sight to behold.
I have to agree with you there - although enormous tits are not a must for me (I'm more into the responsive nipple kind, especially the pencil erasers:D). I'm finding really interesting propspects with the late 20's and early 30's lot. I'm struggling to make sure I don't get too distracted with their chats arriving on whatsapp and BBM. I haven't even planned my next travel dates, but I know my free time schedule will already be filled to the max. The trick is to fill in the slots during normal working hours; you need to find those working during slightly odd hours or students (hotel workers, karaoke / club receptionists, doctors, nurses etc). Damn, I'm getting J town withdrawal symptoms now - and withdrawal is really the operative word.

I'm sure we will meet, bro, and I do hope JAD will be present too. But I'm afraid we will not be able to reminisce about the past.
I wish him peace in mind!
I'm sure we can arrange to meet with him bro. Reminiscing shouldn't be a problem for him, and it's always a pleasure to meet with you. We'll be in touch, I have your whatsapp anyway, and we can confirm our timing. I hope to make at least two, and hopefully three or four trips during the time you're in town.
MD II.

[Smoothy]

Too downmarket? I suppose you've never been to Kramat Tunggak or Boker then? Anyway, I don't know if it's still there, but I think Lipstick would be ok. But you had to pick the girl from photos at the reception.It's been years since I went to that area and I honestly can't remember the name of any particular place there. The places I went to either had photos at reception or girls seated in a dark karaoke area. I'm not a fan of either of those type of setups, but will checkout Lipstick when I have a chance. It's always fun to check out new places. Not that this has anything to do with anything, but I used to enjoy the old Tabloid called Lipstick. Even shagged a few girls who posed for it. I miss those old tabloids.

Maybe you can replace JAD as the tour guide for Jakarta when you get back in town?

[Ceegee]

I have to agree with you there - although enormous tits are not a must for me (I'm more into the responsive nipple kind, especially the pencil erasers:D). I'm finding really interesting propspects with the late 20's and early 30's lot. I'm struggling to make sure I don't get too distracted with their chats arriving on whatsapp and BBM. I haven't even planned my next travel dates, but I know my free time schedule will already be filled to the max. The trick is to fill in the slots during normal working hours; you need to find those working during slightly odd hours or students (hotel workers, karaoke / club receptionists, doctors, nurses etc). Damn, I'm getting J town withdrawal symptoms now - and withdrawal is really the operative word.
The enormous tits were an added bonus, I had seen them beforehand on Skype, but they were even bigger in person. That particular encounter she came to my hotel at about 9 am. I had the morning free and she works a rotating shift job. I went off to my afternoon work meetings with a smile on my face and she went home and slept before her night shift where I rotated in another girl after my afternoon meetings. Its just too easy in that town, I can't help myself.

[Menteng]

Maybe you can replace JAD as the tour guide for Jakarta when you get back in town?I've been away too long to know the current hotspots and, reading your FR's, I think you would be an excellent one.

[Smoothy]

I would think Knight would be a good tour guide. I haven't seen him post around here in a long time, but I'm pretty sure he's still coming to Jakarta on occasion.

[Traveler1234]

As abortion is illegal in Indonesia, I always had the notion it would be some dodgy back-room procedure with an unsterilized coat hanger. Is that true? Had one back in 1992 at a private hospital, all legit and aboveboard?

[Traveler1234]

I would think Knight would be a good tour guide. I haven't seen him post around here in a long time, but I'm pretty sure he's still coming to Jakarta on occasion.Are we thinking of the same gent? If so, he's now in a neighboring country running a house of ill-repute! :D

[Member #4410]

I have been wondering why Blok M is called that and not something else. I knew it was introduced by Soekarno, but that was it. I wonder no more. Recently I came across an old Jakarta city map, from the 60's judging by the adverts, which included a small map of Kebayoran. This little map showed all the Bloks and included a list of streets per Blok.

This list is strange, since it states that Jalan Felatehan is in Blok K, but I will let you see for yourself.

I hope the two files are legible after resizing.

Regards,

Ko.

[Member #4410]

There were 3 Hotmen bar clubs. Is it HM I you remember? HM II was for Arabs and Arab Girls near Pasar Cikini, seem to remember HM III was for the school kid discos. They were all in the vicinity of Gondangdia one of the mongering zones that flourished from the 1940's the other one being Princen Park. Chaiul Anwar wrote his poems in the bars and clubs of Gondangdia. HotMen I was certainly in my top 5, as you could pick up a girl and take her into your car for sex then go back and finish your drink (which they kept cold for you). No one hassled you to take a room back then.
Delayed reaction, but never mind. I never knew there were 3 Hotmen bars. The explanation for the name was perfectly logical for me, given the Indonesian love for abbreviations, so I didn't give it another thought. In 1991 the people who introduced me to the Jakarta nightlife only talked about the bar in Hotel Menteng I. You're never too old to learn.

Regards,

Ko.

[Joel Goodsen]

Is that true? Had one back in 1992 at a private hospital, all legit and aboveboard?I don't know about 1992, Traveler. But I assume it would have been the same? Obviously I am not a legal expert, just a simple guy with a hobby. But the way I understand it, is that abortion is prohibited in Indonesia, unless there are circumstances of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) or the health of the mother is in danger.

I can see below that the link to that Jakarta post article got corrupted. Just type in Google Indonesia the key phrase " Abortion Indonesia " and it will take you to it.

[Possessed Seoul]

Is that true? Had one back in 1992 at a private hospital, all legit and aboveboard?Recent changes to legislation allow for an abortion for [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) victims within the first 40 days. However, it's pretty much open knowledge that they abortions are available, heck, there are people touting for the clinics along Jl Raden Saleh in Cikini.

[Bkk212]

It would seem that I will find myself in Jakarta for the Christmas-New Year period. I'm wondering if any of the more experienced members of this forum could provide an insight into the scene at that time of the year? Does Jakarta generally "close down" for that period of time?

Any thoughts on a forced trip that time of the year would also be appreciated.

Thanks.

Styk.Stykler read you post about Jakarta in December I will be there, as well during this period, as usual. As Smoothy said all is a go, but girls weren't as abundant in Blok M last year as I have seen previously.

Send me a PM if you wani to meet.

[Member #4537]

As abortion is illegal in Indonesia, I always had the notion it would be some dodgy back-room procedure with an unsterilized coat hanger. But this is quite an interesting read from the Jakarta post. http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2013/02/20/abortion-today-still-secret-easy-find.html. By coincidence, Jalan Raden, I think that was not too far from the old Hotmen bars?

Recently I had a minor situation with a girl I met on DIA. I don't have much sex with girls I meet on DIA, but this one had traveled all the way from Bandung, had taken days off from work just to meet, etc. I kind of felt obliged. Anyway, the morning after pill is called Postinor in Indonesia, but it is very hard to come by.

May be it can be found online, but by the time it will arrive via the mail it will fail the idea of morning-after. We could not find it in any of the chemists near Sarinah. We visited 4, nor could she find it in Bandung where she asked for it in 3 different apotiks. Eventually she resorted to the internet advice of taking 4 regular pills at once, which did the trick, thankfully.I've found out over the years that nearly all the WGs and even some civilians take birth control pills on regular basis, and they won't tell you. The reason is very simple, the local guys never use condoms. Ask any of the Kota girls or freelancers at BATS / CJs etc. To show you their handbag and you'll find a pack of Dianne birth control pills.

In any case, morning after pills and a sort of traditional medicine whose name I forgot are really not that hard to find here in Jakarta. For example, those stalls selling Viagra in Mangga Besar also have these pills for sale.

If a WG gets pregnant chances are she didn't have money at the time to buy those pills and waited too late until the abortion got expensive or she freaked out at the idea of aborting.

On the other hand sometimes with civilians they intentionally try to get pregnant so they can get a mixed baby. Purely nothing to gain financially. I'm sure at least a few other expats know what I'm talking about.

[WombatEd2]

Reminds me of the great PA I had. ... Love the PA's. !OK, Guys. "PA" isn't in the abbreviations list.

Urban Dictionary has about 37 definitions, none of which seem to apply.

Can a clueless one get a clue?

[MrBill1963]

OK, Guys. "PA" isn't in the abbreviations list.

Urban Dictionary has about 37 definitions, none of which seem to apply.

Can a clueless one get a clue?I'm guessing personal assistant, also known as EA for executive assistant or aka secretary.

[Joel Goodsen]

I've found out over the years that nearly all the WGs and even some civilians take birth control pills on regular basis, and they won't tell you. The reason is very simple, the local guys never use condoms. Ask any of the Kota girls or freelancers at BATS / CJs etc. To show you their handbag and you'll find a pack of Dianne birth control pills.That particular story refers to a non-WG. Most girls, if not all, I meet through DIA (dateinasia) are non-WG's.

But for me, you describe another reason to prefer bar girls over ordinary girls from dating sites. Apart from being a lot sexier, they are also smarter about their contraception.

BTW, Diane birth control pills are regular pills for contraception. Not morning-after. Morning after is an emergency contraceptive, it is quite different.

[Member #4537]

But for me, you describe another reason to prefer bar girls over ordinary girls from dating sites.A great portion of the so-called "ordinary girls" you see on dating sites like DIA or AsianDating are actually part-time hookers, but they won't tell you. You may recognize many faces if you are a regular at BATS, CJs.

[UsPete]

A great portion of the so-called "ordinary girls" you see on dating sites like DIA or AsianDating are actually part-time hookers, but they won't tell you. You may recognize many faces if you are a regular at BATS, CJs.Egy, I'm afraid your interpretation of the DIA or Badoo girls is woefully wrong, I can't vouch for AsianDating as I don't like it. But having worked in previous decades as a DJ in Jakarta in both the happening North and its long past the sell-by-date South of Jakarta, which unfortunately sometimes involved acting as a germo and then in more recent times chatting to the online girls in bhs gaul I can assure you that maybe only 0. 5 % are working.

Do you really think these girls would jump on a plane from Makassar or Malang and compete with the haggard Sundal Bolong for a nights income in a sleaze pit like CJs?

The smarter DIA / online dating girls realise that the Mister Bule in Jakarta are already "contaminated" and behave outside working hours in the same manner as Indonesian cowok. The online girls are targeting overseas guys because they feel these guys may not want to participate or even know about Jakarta 's harems and harlots.

I personally enjoy the online girls platonic company but usually stop the dates around midnight then move north of Harmoni for my own pleasures.

[Member #4537]

Egy, I'm afraid your interpretation of the DIA or Badoo girls is woefully wrong, I can't vouch for AsianDating as I don't like it. But having worked in previous decades as a DJ in Jakarta in both the happening North and its long past the sell-by-date South of Jakarta, which unfortunately sometimes involved acting as a germo and then in more recent times chatting to the online girls in bhs gaul I can assure you that maybe only 0. 5 % are working..As with most things in Indonesia the surface isn't always what it seems.

Thing is they won't tell you they are part-time hookers or have had a brief stint at some point, even if they need money. You'll find out yourself if you stick with them long enough.

I'm not talking about the North discos. The kind of girls who go there aren't the types you'll find on DIA, Hi5 and whatnot.

Bottom line is if she speaks English and isn't a virgin (on the dating sites, I mean) there is a fairly high chance she is in the business. Of course, you may not find out on day one, but stay with her long enough and the clues will start coming in, especially when there are bills to pay.

[Fast Eddie 48]

I check out a few new disco in and Jarkata since Red Square and Stadium close down, I check out a new few disco Golden crown big place also have a KTV and a big disco floor mostly local many girl on Estacy very few speak english, I saw a hot girl walking in around 1 am her name is Jesse a OL working at a law firm buy her a drink she want 1. 5 juta for all night she got a hot body and speak very good english best girl in this trip and I counter 700 k she smile and decline and finally settle for 700 k for 3 HR she need to work in the morning very GFE 2 shots and BBBJ she even try to BB me cowgirl I told her to put on a condom first to be safe, I also check out Millie at Lokasari plaza and the Colliseum at kota most girl there want one Juta and up for ST price is too high I miss Stadium back in March this yr you can get girl there for 350 k ST even in Millie I got a girl there 500 k for all night early this yr now most girl want one Mil now.

Fast eddie 48.

[Master Diver II]

As with most things in Indonesia the surface isn't always what it seems.

Thing is they won't tell you they are part-time hookers or have had a brief stint at some point, even if they need money. You'll find out yourself if you stick with them long enough.

I'm not talking about the North discos. The kind of girls who go there aren't the types you'll find on DIA, Hi5 and whatnot.

Bottom line is if she speaks English and isn't a virgin (on the dating sites, I mean) there is a fairly high chance she is in the business. Of course, you may not find out on day one, but stay with her long enough and the clues will start coming in, especially when there are bills to pay.I've been with quite a few from the dating sites and although there are WGs (who are obvious and I'll politely tell them I can refer them to some friends of mine as it's not my scene) there are a lot of true "civilians". Plenty of them are no longer virgins as they get married pretty young before getting disillusioned. Yes, I've stuck around with plenty of them, and been in touch for years with many; while there are the odd few (very much in a small minority) who do need "help" with bills, most do not. The main difference in the cost is where you take them out for dinner, and what kind of oleh oleh you end up buying: I've had everything from chocolates to perfume to jeans (range of 150 k - 1. 5 million) and they don't ask for it every time they see you. OTOH some aren't interested in any of that, and just want fun in the kamar. Which I'm all for. Oh and velvet class cinemas are a blast:D.

MD II.

[Sad Sam]

Thanks to the wealth of info shared on this website, I felt confident and fully in control as I made my first trip to Jakarta. Apart from all the usual observations about traffic, immigration, money changers, food etc. , here is the summary about my experiences with the Indo ladies.

First day I took a taxi to Classic around 6 pm. I decided to go straight to the 5th floor and some real cute young dancers doing their topless dances. Very pleasing on the eye. I talked to a mami and told her what I was looking for and most importantly GFE. She paraded a few ladies and I finally settled on one. Off we go to the room and then all the rules start. No kissing on the mouth. She wanted to do a CBJ but I insisted and finally she obliged. Gave me a decent BBBJ and then a quick mush and back for some more BBBJ and I finally came in her mouth which she wasn't expecting and wasn't too happy. Oh well =).

Then I went to BATS and there was a great band playing and I must say I had a great time there drinking, dancing and flirting with a few FLs. Lots of fun and I stayed until about 1 am but decided to not pull anyone.

Next day I tried Travel. Like Classic, there seemed to be a fair number of decent looking young ladies. Again talk to the maim and this time decided to take 2. Both seemed young, voluptuous and friendly. But the same story in the room. No kissing and very opposed to BBBJ. But I got them to agree and had a decent one from one of them while I was fondling the other. Was very difficult to get them to agree to DATY as well. Came once and then got them to go for a second round, BBBJ with the other followed by a few positions and it was ok but their constant complaints to finish was a bit annoying.

Went later to Classic again and boy was I mesmerized with one of the dancers. Beautiful young thing with the most perfect natural see cup beauties that I have seen in a long time. She came over after the dance and I let my little man do the thinking and before I knew it I gad blown about 300 K on LDs for barely a 10 minute fondling and kissing of her body. As soon as I even mildly said no to her next drink she was off and that was it. Seemed like it was next to impossible to get her to go to the room. That is a shame.

Final day I went to Maibaya. I took a look at the 10 or so ladies present and no one floated my boat. Looks wise they were not that impressive. Then suddenly thus cute looking thing walked in. I made up my mind immediately and took her. Her name is Tutti. She has a decent body for a late twenties lady, slightly dark but a sweet face and a great attitude. I must say I had a blast with her. True GFE. By far the best one hour in Jakarta. I just wish more ladies would provide that type of service.

So, all in all, it was a good first trip but I missed the GFE / PSE of the ladies in BKK, although the women seemed hotter in Jakarta. I guess the next time I need to try some FLs to see how they are.

[Member #4410]

<SNIP>

Final day I went to Maibaya. I took a look at the 10 or so ladies present and no one floated my boat. Looks wise they were not that impressive. Then suddenly thus cute looking thing walked in. I made up my mind immediately and took her. Her name is Tutti. She has a decent body for a late twenties lady, slightly dark but a sweet face and a great attitude. I must say I had a blast with her. True GFE. By far the best one hour in Jakarta. I just wish more ladies would provide that type of service.

So, all in all, it was a good first trip but I missed the GFE / PSE of the ladies in BKK, although the women seemed hotter in Jakarta. I guess the next time I need to try some FLs to see how they are.Looks like you encountered Tutik (yes, I know, it is pronounced Tuti; a "k" at the end of a word is silent in Indonesian). She's a bit darker in complexion than most Maribaya girls. Can't handle alcohol but has a great attitude in bed. She has been working in Maribaya for a number of years and is still going strong. I posted a number of pictures of her in the past, if you want to relive the experience. I guess you had bad luck in timing, since there are more GFE girls there, also lookswise.

Regards,

Ko.

[Dg1980]

Is it like Alexis where you get a lineup, and can go up and change and relax in a pool / spa area with the girl?

Or is it more setup like hotel travel where you just choose and go to the room?

Cheers,

Dg

[Member #4410]

Thanks to the wealth of info shared on this website, I felt confident and fully in control as I made my first trip to Jakarta. Apart from all the usual observations about traffic, immigration, money changers, food etc. , here is the summary about my experiences with the Indo ladies.

First day I took a taxi to Classic around 6 pm. I decided to go straight to the 5th floor and some real cute young dancers doing their topless dances. Very pleasing on the eye. I talked to a mami and told her what I was looking for and most importantly GFE. She paraded a few ladies and I finally settled on one. Off we go to the room and then all the rules start. No kissing on the mouth. She wanted to do a CBJ but I insisted and finally she obliged. Gave me a decent BBBJ and then a quick mush and back for some more BBBJ and I finally came in her mouth which she wasn't expecting and wasn't too happy. Oh well =).
<SNIP>
Next day I tried Travel. Like Classic, there seemed to be a fair number of decent looking young ladies. Again talk to the maim and this time decided to take 2. Both seemed young, voluptuous and friendly. But the same story in the room. No kissing and very opposed to BBBJ. But I got them to agree and had a decent one from one of them while I was fondling the other. Was very difficult to get them to agree to DATY as well. Came once and then got them to go for a second round, BBBJ with the other followed by a few positions and it was ok but their constant complaints to finish was a bit annoying.

Went later to Classic again and boy was I mesmerized with one of the dancers. Beautiful young thing with the most perfect natural see cup beauties that I have seen in a long time. She came over after the dance and I let my little man do the thinking and before I knew it I gad blown about 300 K on LDs for barely a 10 minute fondling and kissing of her body. As soon as I even mildly said no to her next drink she was off and that was it. Seemed like it was next to impossible to get her to go to the room. That is a shame.
<SNIP>
Sorry to read about a not overly successful trip, apart from the old faithful Maribaya.

Looks like you relied a bit too much on one of the persistent trolls on this forum, FE48, who only writes about Travel and Classic although many posters by now seriously doubt if he has ever been there, if he has ever visited Jakarta at all. Should you want to re-visit Jakarta you're better off reading the posts of OS, MD II, MS, Smoothy and some others for serious tips. Sending PM's also comes in handy.

Regards,

Ko.

[Smoothy]

Is it like Alexis where you get a lineup, and can go up and change and relax in a pool / spa area with the girl?

Or is it more setup like hotel travel where you just choose and go to the room?

Cheers,

DgIt's like Hotel Travel. You choose, and go to the room. But the rooms at Malioboro are nice, Hotel Travel rooms are shit.

[QuackUp]

Hi All,

Just got back from a trip to Jakarta. First off, thanks to all the contributors, especially mighty spearman for his advice about Kartika. I was going to use the service of jad until I heard he isn't doing his touring anymore. After reading back to the start of the year, I think I did okay.

The hardest thing about going someplace new, even with a map, it's hard to tell what area and how far places are.

I decided to stay at the Century Park Hotel in Senyanan. It is more to the south, but using the Transjakarta bus, getting from place to place wasn't to bad. Also note, I'am not a late night person, so the bus was very convenient. Yes, traffic in Jakarta, is as bad as everyone says.

Before leaving, I made a schedule of all the places I wanted to go to. I did leave room for any adjustments. I was there for seven day's but on the seventh day, my flight left early so couldn't partake on that day. Here is the list of places I wanted to go to. Almost forgot, I flew one day to Yogyakarta and visit the huge Buddist and Hindu temples. Very impressive. Anyways, here is my list:

Maribaya, Alexis, Malioboro, Classic, Kartika, Emporvium, Kings's Cross, Top Gun, the's place, Bats, and Cj's.

I arrived Monday Nov. 17th, around 16:00. Got my voa and luggage and headed for the bluebird taxi line. Passed all of the taxi bandits and got in a long line for Bluebird. After 30 minutes, I get into the taxi bound for the hotel. Took about 50 minutes and cost around $160,000 rps with tolls included. Check in was a breeze and the room was okay. Nothing fancy but still good and roomy. While unpacking, I notice I forgot to bring my pair of dress shoes. That left bat's and cj's out. But again, I'am not a late nice person but it would have been nice just to see these places.

My favorite place to play is Brazil and the big clubs here, reminded me of the big night clubs of Sao Paulo. With the exception that the girls there get to roam around and mingle and the clubs here, basically the girls stay in their designated areas. What they both have in common, nice accommodations, food and drinks, lockers, and most of all many beautiful girls. Most of the girls of Jakarta on average from what I saw, were younger than the girls you would see in the Brazilian nightclubs. Both are awesome experiences. One big difference I did notice about the clubs in Jakarta vs. Brazil. All the girls of Jakarta knew my name (mister) LOL. For those that have never been to Jakarta, you will get it when you are here. Following will be a day by day diary of my first trip to Jakarta. Some might be long, so for you vet's. Alot of this will be stuff you already know.

[QuackUp]

After arriving, I exchanged $100.00 usd at the airport. The exchange rate was $11,900 rps to the dollar. Later after checking into the hotel, I changed $200.00 usd at the Dua Sisi money exchange booth in Plaza Senayan. Their rate was $12,110 to the dollars, so much better than the airport. I believe they have outlets in other malls in Jakarta. The plan for today, Maribaya and some shopping at Pasaraya.

This plan went down the drain quick. After exchanging money, I stopped at a place called la Luca for some dinner. While waiting for my food, I almost fell asleep at the table. I left L. A. At midnight 05 Sunday morning, which meant I had to be at the airport Saturday night. My flight was 12 hours from L. A. To Tokyo, with a 5 hour layover. Then another 7 and a half hours from Tokyo to Jakarta. It wouldn't have been so bad but I have a hard time sleeping on an airplane. So I arrive on a Monday and with no sleep for more than 24 hours, it finally caught up to me. After dinner, I walked back to the hotel and slept. So much for the grand opening act.

[MasBule]

While unpacking, I notice I forgot to bring my pair of dress shoes. That left bat's and cj's out. But again, I'am not a late nice person but it would have been nice just to see these places.
Hey mate, look forward to reading your reports. Looks like you covered some ground.

FYI. As you have left now this info is irrelevant, but I'd like to point out to other future travelers. You don't need dress shoes for CJ's or BATS. You just have to be white (that's a joke). In my early time in Jakarta I spent alot of time in these places, was never refused whilst wearing t-shirt, jeans and converse shoes. Never, never even close.

I have also seen many old men, who appear to have no dress sense, wearing jeans and running shoes. You know the sienfeld look, in those places.

Also. Anyone can get into BATS F. O. see, just tell them you are staying in the Shangrila. They let you straight in and only occasionally have I ever been asked what room number- just be confident and it helps when there is aline up and their collecting money from the other punters. I know its only 100 k, but its the principle right, especially when your just about to spend 120 k on 1 beer!

I haven't found this possible at the Mulia though.

Of course if you just hop off a plane from bali with thongs (slippers), shorts and a bintang t-shirt, then you will be refused.

Regards.

HHM.

[MasBule]

Anyone can get into BATS F. O. see, That was meant to be an acronym of 'free of charge'.

I also notice 'dees place' when spelt with a capital the, always gets changed to 'the place'. , anyway back to work.

[QuackUp]

Adjusted plan for today. Maribaya, kartika, malioboro.

After a big breakfast, caught a taxi for blok m. It was around 10:00 when I left my hotel. I couldn't remember what time Maribaya opened, so I told the cabbie to drop me off at Pasaraya. I can't believe how big this store is. I walked up to the batik section and bought a few gifts. It's around 11:00 so I figure Maribaya must be open. I was a little confused when I walked out of the store but I saw the sign for the Fave Hotel. So I walked towards it and saw the Hotel Melawai. I walk in and asked the receptionist about a massage. She looked at me and says you are at the wrong place. She tells me to go to the other hotel Melawai which was around the corner and down the street. Very close. Once inside the right hotel, I walked towards the bar. I see a pretty good looking girl talking on her cell phone. I get to the bar and mama san comes to greet me. There are only five girls to choose from, so I took the first one I saw with the cell phone. She is tall and slim with a pretty face. I'am really bad with names but it sounded like Nelson.

She was fun, but a little too profession for me. She was bobbing her head like she was giving me head, but she was actually jacking me while just moving her head. I busted her then she actually gave me some good head. Then I went to DATY on her. Within 20 seconds, she's said she had cum. She didn't even feel wet yet. Then another 30 seconds goes by and she says she came a second time. After that, I just wanted to finish with her. So we do the deed and I finish but would not repeat with her. Not bad but not great but it was my first lay from Jakarta.

After Maribaya, I walked over to the bus station. I got turned around but with the help of some locals who didn't speak English, I was able to find it. Yes, I know it was close, but I wanted to make sure. They no longer issue paper tickets for the Transjakarta bus. You have to buy a smart card and recharge when needed. I believe the fare is still $3,500 but with the card it cost $4,000. I found out later the minimum recharge rate is $20,000. So, took the bus and got off at the Olimo bus stop. I checked out which bus stops I need to know before arriving in Jakarta. After getting off the bus, it's a short walk to Kartika. The only problem you have to cross a small street. Cars and motorcycles almost make it impossible to cross. I just went when some of the locals went. Even then it was scary. Saw Suzzies bakery and turned left, walked down the alley and into kartika. There were maybe 6 girls girls when I arrived and most were on the big side. I tried to do what m / s suggested and wait at the bar to see if a gem might come back from a session. I ordered a coke and was going to wait but after every sip I took, the mama san would ask if I was ready. I kept telling her I wanted to finish my drink, then I would decide. She wouldn't stop and almost left but I really wanted to experience the soappie massage here. So in the 5 minutes it took to finish my drink, no one else came out. I said f- it, I took a girl that was on the heavy side but a somewhat pretty face. She never said her name and I never asked. The soappie part of the massage was awesome. M / s was correct, for this kind of massage, you need a girl with some weight to get the full effect. But then came the rest of the massage. After showering off we start the next phase. She gave good head but she didn't allow kissing or DATY. Kissing for me is a must for a great session. So I rated this session a so. So, but now I can check this off my wish list.

From Kartika, took a cab to Maribaya, which wasn't too far away. Arrived there around 15:40. Not alot of girls but still there were at least 20 on duty. Most, decent to very good looking. The waiter take's me to a table and about 5 minutes later the mama san comes around. She brings her line up over to me. I picked a very pretty indo girl named Anjani. In the room she is very nice. Good BBBJ, lot's of dfking and DATY was allowed with no problem. So far she was the best of the day. Total cost $1,171,120 rps with tip and two cokes. After the session, I went back to the bar and at that time, many more girls are there, with more still coming in. Even the downstairs portion is filling up. So I guess a good time to get her is around 17:00. After the session, I felt so good, especially since the first two girls were just average lays that I called it a night. Took the bus back to Senyana, had dinner, then back to the hotel.

[LA Guy 5]

Adjusted plan for today. Maribaya, kartika, malioboro.

After a big breakfast, caught a taxi for blok m. It was around 10:00 when I left my hotel. I couldn't remember what time Maribaya opened, so I told the cabbie to drop me off at Pasaraya. I can't believe how big this store is. I walked up to the batik section and bought a few gifts. It's around 11:00 so I figure Maribaya must be open. I was a little confused when I walked out of the store but I saw the sign for the Fave Hotel. So I walked towards it and saw the Hotel Melawai. I walk in and asked the receptionist about a massage. She looked at me and says you are at the wrong place. She tells me to go to the other hotel Melawai which was around the corner and down the street. Very close. Once inside the right hotel, I walked towards the bar. I see a pretty good looking girl talking on her cell phone. I get to the bar and mama san comes to greet me. There are only five girls to choose from, so I took the first one I saw with the cell phone. She is tall and slim with a pretty face. I'am really bad with names but it sounded like Nelson.

She was fun, but a little too profession for me. She was bobbing her head like she was giving me head, but she was actually jacking me while just moving her head. I busted her then she actually gave me some good head. Then I went to DATY on her. Within 20 seconds, she's said she had cum. She didn't even feel wet yet. Then another 30 seconds goes by and she says she came a second time. After that, I just wanted to finish with her. So we do the deed and I finish but would not repeat with her. Not bad but not great but it was my first lay from Jakarta.

After Maribaya, I walked over to the bus station. I got turned around but with the help of some locals who didn't speak English, I was able to find it. Yes, I know it was close, but I wanted to make sure. They no longer issue paper tickets for the Transjakarta bus. You have to buy a smart card and recharge when needed. I believe the fare is still $3,500 but with the card it cost $4,000. I found out later the minimum recharge rate is $20,000. So, took the bus and got off at the Olimo bus stop. I checked out which bus stops I need to know before arriving in Jakarta. After getting off the bus, it's a short walk to Kartika. The only problem you have to cross a small street. Cars and motorcycles almost make it impossible to cross. I just went when some of the locals went. Even then it was scary. Saw Suzzies bakery and turned left, walked down the alley and into kartika. There were maybe 6 girls girls when I arrived and most were on the big side. I tried to do what m / s suggested and wait at the bar to see if a gem might come back from a session. I ordered a coke and was going to wait but after every sip I took, the mama san would ask if I was ready. I kept telling her I wanted to finish my drink, then I would decide. She wouldn't stop and almost left but I really wanted to experience the soappie massage here. So in the 5 minutes it took to finish my drink, no one else came out. I said f- it, I took a girl that was on the heavy side but a somewhat pretty face. She never said her name and I never asked. The soappie part of the massage was awesome. M / s was correct, for this kind of massage, you need a girl with some weight to get the full effect. But then came the rest of the massage. After showering off we start the next phase. She gave good head but she didn't allow kissing or DATY. Kissing for me is a must for a great session. So I rated this session a so. So, but now I can check this off my wish list.

From Kartika, took a cab to Maribaya, which wasn't too far away. Arrived there around 15:40. Not alot of girls but still there were at least 20 on duty. Most, decent to very good looking. The waiter take's me to a table and about 5 minutes later the mama san comes around. She brings her line up over to me. I picked a very pretty indo girl named Anjani. In the room she is very nice. Good BBBJ, lot's of dfking and DATY was allowed with no problem. So far she was the best of the day. Total cost $1,171,120 rps with tip and two cokes. After the session, I went back to the bar and at that time, many more girls are there, with more still coming in. Even the downstairs portion is filling up. So I guess a good time to get her is around 17:00. After the session, I felt so good, especially since the first two girls were just average lays that I called it a night. Took the bus back to Senyana, had dinner, then back to the hotel.Thanks for the report, and I'm glad your last session worked out for you. Incidentally, the closest transjakarta bus stop to Kartika is Manga Besar. And I assume when you stated you went to Maribaya after Kartika you meant Malioboro. Anyway, keep up the good "work. ".

[QuackUp]

The plan for today. After my tour of Yogyakarta, from the airport straight to Alexis.

Started this day early to catch my 05:25 flight to Yogyakarta. Toured the temples and Yogyakarta, with a 19:25 flight back to Jakarta. My flight coming back was delayed so didn't arrive back into Jakarta until 21:15. Since on the map Alexis is so far north, I figure why not go from the airport straight to Alexis. Went to the bluebird taxi line and the line was even longer than the day before. Since it was so late, I saw only one person waiting at the silverbird taxi line, so I went over there. To give you an idea how much more the silverbird taxis are, they start the meter at $1,500. The bluebird taxis start at 7,000, and the express taxi's start at 6,000. At some point I took a ride in all of the taxis. All were pretty good but I did have one incidence that I'll write about in another thread. Anyways, from the map I studied before leaving, Alexis didn't look that far from the airport, in fact it didn't look further than my hotel. Final bill for the silverbird to Alexis $186,000. I actually used my credit card for this taxi so that I had money for Alexis. I know they take CC at Alexis but just in case.

Alexis is the first place I saw non Asian clientele at. Like other have said, there are sections for girls from Thailand, China, Vietnam, Eastern Europe, and locals. I almost took a Chinese girl who looked like Lucy Liu, but settled for a local. Again her name escapes me but it sounded like Harmony or Trinity. She is tall, slim and very pretty. We did the sauna first, which I wasn't too impressed with. It's probably because I know just a little Indo so couldn't hold a conversation with her. In the room she was great. Really good BBBJ, her kissing was awesome, and we did many positions. After a long day, this was a perfect ending. Total cost $1,710,000 rps. She has become the best of the trip so far.

[QuackUp]

Thanks hard hat mike, now that I think about it, I should have just gone and if they threw me out, no big deal. At least if I ever go back, I know now.

La guy, thanks for catching my typo. You are correct, I meant Malioboro.

[LA Guy 5]

Hi All,

Just got back from a trip to Jakarta. First off, thanks to all the contributors, especially mighty spearman for his advice about Kartika. I was going to use the service of jad until I heard he isn't doing his touring anymore. After reading back to the start of the year, I think I did okay.

The hardest thing about going someplace new, even with a map, it's hard to tell what area and how far places are.

I decided to stay at the Century Park Hotel in Senyanan. It is more to the south, but using the Transjakarta bus, getting from place to place wasn't to bad. Also note, I'am not a late night person, so the bus was very convenient. Yes, traffic in Jakarta, is as bad as everyone says.

Before leaving, I made a schedule of all the places I wanted to go to. I did leave room for any adjustments. I was there for seven day's but on the seventh day, my flight left early so couldn't partake on that day. Here is the list of places I wanted to go to. Almost forgot, I flew one day to Yogyakarta and visit the huge Buddist and Hindu temples. Very impressive. Anyways, here is my list:

Maribaya, Alexis, Malioboro, Classic, Kartika, Emporvium, Kings's Cross, Top Gun, the's place, Bats, and Cj's.

I arrived Monday Nov. 17th, around 16:00. Got my voa and luggage and headed for the bluebird taxi line. Passed all of the taxi bandits and got in a long line for Bluebird. After 30 minutes, I get into the taxi bound for the hotel. Took about 50 minutes and cost around $160,000 rps with tolls included. Check in was a breeze and the room was okay. Nothing fancy but still good and roomy. While unpacking, I notice I forgot to bring my pair of dress shoes. That left bat's and cj's out. But again, I'am not a late nice person but it would have been nice just to see these places.

My favorite place to play is Brazil and the big clubs here, reminded me of the big night clubs of Sao Paulo. With the exception that the girls there get to roam around and mingle and the clubs here, basically the girls stay in their designated areas. What they both have in common, nice accommodations, food and drinks, lockers, and most of all many beautiful girls. Most of the girls of Jakarta on average from what I saw, were younger than the girls you would see in the Brazilian nightclubs. Both are awesome experiences. One big difference I did notice about the clubs in Jakarta vs. Brazil. All the girls of Jakarta knew my name (mister) LOL. For those that have never been to Jakarta, you will get it when you are here. Following will be a day by day diary of my first trip to Jakarta. Some might be long, so for you vet's. Alot of this will be stuff you already know.I also have spent a lot of time at the clubs in Sao Paulo, as well as Jakarta. Another difference which is significant to me, in addition to the one you point out about girls roaming around, is that although years ago the clubs in Sao Paulo charged an all inclusive fixed fee for time with the girls, now one has to negotiate with them, which for me is a pain, and gives more opportunity for them to charge gringos more than Brazilians. And, of course, prices have shot up in Brazil generally, even when one takes into account the recent dive in the reais value. But I see some similarities (as you point out) between the Sao Paulo and Jakarta clubs. And I don't know if you took advantage of the sauna, steam room, and whirlpool at Malioboro, where there sometimes are topless (or maybe bottomless) girls dancing around, but those even beat the facilities at most Sao Paulo clubs.

As to waiting 30 minutes for a Bluebird, if you face this next time I would recommend getting in the almost always shorter Silver Bird line. It costs maybe $7 or $8 more from the airport to the hotel, but besides avoiding the wait you will likely be driven in a Mercedes by a more better driver than the case with the Blue Birds (same company, better and more experienced drivers assigned to the Silver Birds, on average). After a long trip this means something (at least to me).

Edit: I wrote this as Day 3 was being posted. So I see you did find the Silver Bird line. Although Silver Birds start either at 12,000 or 15,000 depending on the type of car and maybe other factors, one might think the incremental fee increases with distance traveled would be similarly about twice as much for a Silver Bird. In fact it is is less than that, although I'm not sure by how much. Going to the Grand Hyatt, for example, it is rare that the Silver Bird costs more than around $250,000 in my experience. That is around $20 US.

[Ceegee]

Went to the bluebird taxi line and the line was even longer than the day before.You don't need to wait for a bluebird taxi. If there is ever more than about 3 people in that line I just keep walking another 25 metres or so, turn right, and take the stairs up to the departure level. Grab one of the many bluebirds that are dropping people off. You might have to pay Rp10,000 ($1) to security as a 'parking fee' if they ask the driver for it, but who cares.

I do that in all busy airports now actually, works great in Manila as well.

[QuackUp]

Today plan, Berlian, city tour, Classic.

I forgot to mention, after my massage at Kartika, I stopped into Berlian to see their lineup. No stunners but one was decent. Her name is Aggie, and I told her I would be back for her. Today was the day. I again took the bus, walked over killer crosswalk and entered Berlian. The mama san remembered me and before she brought out the lineup, I asked for Aggie. She called Aggie over and to my disappointment, she didn't look as good as I thought. She was older and bigger than I thought. She was sitting down when I first saw her. She did have a decent face. Since I said I would session with her, I bit the bullet. One of the better decision I made on this trip. She was awesome! First she starts with a massage which was okay. Then she put some liquid on my back and gave me a great tit massage which felt great and sensual. Really got me excited when she tit massage my ass crack. She then turned me over for a BBBJ. Her BBBJ was okay but a little rough. When she licked my balls, I was in heaven. That was the best part of her BBBJ. She then comes up for some passionate kissing. After a while I proceed down for some DATY and get a good surprise. She's not a squirter, but she gushes out ton's of her love juices. She came 4 or 5 times and it was real. The soaked sheets proved it. Then in the heat of the moment, she slips me in. It's funny how when a girl wants you in them, they can move their body to make sure it happens and especially with no hands. I should have stopped and put a condom on but it felt so good and my little head took over. When I was ready to finish, I pulled out and shot all over her body. This would have been the perfect experience if she was younger and slimmer but regardless, her service was off the charts. Cost $300,000 massage, $100,000 tip and $10.000 coke. Highly recommended for her service.

Took the bus back to the Monas stop to take the free city tour bus. On the way there, I saw a pretty big protest blocking the street next to Monas. Not sure if it was because of the protest, but I saw at least 4 city buses empty going down the road not stopping to pick anyone up. I figured the tours have been cancelled for the day. So plan be. Got into a cab and went to the Grand Indo mall for some late lunch. I had ramen from a place called Ikkudo Ichi, I believe that is what it is called. Good ramen but small portions. After lunch, decided to go to Classic. This is where I encountered the taxi from hell. I get into the bluebird taxi and give the driver the address to Classic and he says okay, and off we go. I knew Classic wasn't too far from Monas but with the Jakarta traffic, I didn't know how long the trip should take. Whatever road we took it was slowed to a crawl. After about 40 minutes the taxi driver finally asked another driver where Classic was. The other driver pointed back from the direction we just came from. I was a little upset, but this wasn't going to spoil my mood, I'am on vacation. Then it went from bad to worst. The drive back was more stop than go. Every intersection was a cluster puck. The driver apologize but the meter was still running. I told him to stop the meter since it was his mistake. He said he couldn't. Eventually he did stop the meter, but would start it up again after a while. I'am sure he did it because the company could track what he was doing. We started out leaving the mall around 15:45, and arrived at Classic around 17:45. The meter showed $75,000 so I gave him $100,000. I wrote down his number to complain later but when he gave me back my change, he gave me $50,000 and apologize again. At least he took some responsibility so I was satisfied and didn't complain to the company.

Walking into the hotel, I pass a restaurant and head towards reception. I get stopped by two workers and ask what room for the elevator. I told I wanted to go to the lounge. They said I passed it and I pointed to the restaurant. They said yes, that's the lounge. I knew this wasn't the lounge I wanted. So I changed tactics and asked them if there was a massage place. They said yes, downstairs. So I went there and went to the receptionist and she gave me breakdown of prices. I believe she said 1 hour for $350,000. I then asked if I can pick out the girl. She said no, only by number. Feeling a little frustrated now, I asked her if there was someplace in this hotel where there is a mama san to help pick out girls for me. She then told he it was on the second floor then she also told me floors 3 and 4 were for KTV but opened later. This lady was more helpful than the two dumbasses downstairs. So I head up to the second floor. I go to the entrance and the guy in front says, we don't open until 18:00. I look at my watch and it's 18:10. By the time I get there, I hear music inside and the guy asked me if I wanted to see the girls. Of course I say yes, then he says unless you pay entrance you can't come in to see the girls. Wtf? I was almost ready to walk out there. Too many red flags. First the taxi guy (which actually worked out okay because I would have been too early otherwise). The two dumbasses downstairs, and finally this dumbass at the door.

But since I was here and wanted to check this place off my list I stayed. $40,000 for entrance, plus I had to check in my backpack. After going through the door, a mama san grabs my arm and leads me to a table, which happens to be in front of her girls. I told the mama san, I'am going to have a drink, then I'll decide who I want. What does she do? She says okay then sits at my table. Every couple of minutes, she would use her lazer pointer and say how about her, or how about two girls. I hate the hard sell and I'am starting to hate this place. Finally, a cute topless dancer comes by and asked me to buy her 3 drinks. So to shift the attention from the mama san, I told her the dancer one drink. She then starts pleading with me to buy her 3 drinks. I told her one drink or nothing. She agrees to the one drink, but I was still in a foul mood with all the hard sells. At least the mama san left. Still, I'am thinking, maybe it's an omen, I should just leave. Actually there were alot of girls here at Classic. I took a walk around to get a better look at the girls on the far side. Finally, I see a girl I like and with a different mama san, we hook up. Her name is Rita and she is very pretty and slim. A local girl. After all the hassles it took to get here and reading about the poor sessions here, I wasn't expecting too much. Fortunately, I got a pleasant surprise.

Because of some of the bad review, with Rita I changed tactics with her. I asked her if she would like a massage. She said she like that. So I gave her a very sensual massage and after the massage, I gave her a tongue bath from head to toe. This got her nice and hot and when I stuck my tongue in her ear, she couldn't take it anymore. She turned around and started to DFK me. I then went down on her and she got very wet. Not a gusher like Aggie but she got very wet. Then I stuck one finger into her honey box, then a second. It was amazing seeing her juices running down her ass crack. I have to admit I didn't get a BBBJ, actually I didn't get a BJ at all. After the DATY, we went straight into the act, with many positions. With plenty of dfkes, she became the best of the trip, so far.

So with all of the bad, Rita more than made up for it, with a great session. What I didn't like, when I choose Rita, I had to pay the mama san right then. It was $350,000 and I gave Rita a tip of $100,000. Then to pay for the entrance and my drink, I had to go to the cashier. Entrance was $40,000, so I give the cashier my visa card and she said they don't take credit cards, even though I see many credit card reader there. So, this place is still trying to get to me. I pay in cash and now the cashier has the nerve to ask for a tip. I told her my tip is to accept credit cards so I can give you a tip and left. But it wasn't over. I had to get my backpack. So I go to the checked bag area and get my backpack. Of course the attended asked for a tip. I was going to say something smart but gave her $2,000. She looked at it and said can't you give more. I told her, if you don't want it, give it back. She took it. Although the girl I session with was great, the customer service here really sucks.

[MasBule]

You don't need to wait for a bluebird taxi. If there is ever more than about 3 people in that line I just keep walking another 25 metres or so, turn right, and take the stairs up to the departure level. Grab one of the many bluebirds that are dropping people off. You might have to pay Rp10,000 ($1) to security as a 'parking fee' if they ask the driver for it, but who cares.Great tip Ceegee. And your spot-on.

[UsPete]

Great tip Ceegee. And your spot-on.Agreed great tip, also guys when you've arrived in CGK and gone up the steps to the departure level. This is the level to change your money into Rupiah for the taxi. The money changer on departure usually gives about 500 RP more per dollar more than arrivals. As the departure money changers are expecting you to be offloading your rupiahs there. I actually got this advice from one of the money changers cuties on the lift between floors who was carrying FX between travel changers belonging to the same business.

Also if you're worried about being overweight (with baggage not exhaustion from a weeks mongering in Jakarta) on leaving CGK there is a free weighing machine for bags just outside the left luggage shop.

[Member #4410]

Agreed great tip, also guys when you've arrived in CGK and gone up the steps to the departure level. This is the level to change your money into Rupiah for the taxi. The money changer on departure usually gives about 500 RP more per dollar more than arrivals. As the departure money changers are expecting you to be offloading your rupiahs there. I actually got this advice from one of the money changers cuties on the lift between floors who was carrying FX between travel changers belonging to the same business.

Also if you're worried about being overweight (with baggage not exhaustion from a weeks mongering in Jakarta) on leaving CGK there is a free weighing machine for bags just outside the left luggage shop.When I read all these posts on money changing I'm so happy my (Dutch) bank has provided me with a bank card that allows me to step up to any ATM in any country in the world and just get the local money from it. In Indonesia this varies a bit between banks but I can extract between 1. 5 and 2 million every time, up to 4 times per day. Having a credit card besides this means I don't pay bank charges.

Why don't you all demand the same service from your banks? If a small country like the Netherlands can organise its bank affairs like this, larger countries should be able to do this also. Many of you have consciously lived in the sixties so you must know how to protest. Your bank makes enough money from you so demand proper service.

Regards,

Ko.

[LA Guy 5]

When I read all these posts on money changing I'm so happy my (Dutch) bank has provided me with a bank card that allows me to step up to any ATM in any country in the world and just get the local money from it. In Indonesia this varies a bit between banks but I can extract between 1. 5 and 2 million every time, up to 4 times per day. Having a credit card besides this means I don't pay bank charges.

Why don't you all demand the same service from your banks? If a small country like the Netherlands can organise its bank affairs like this, larger countries should be able to do this also. Many of you have consciously lived in the sixties so you must know how to protest. Your bank makes enough money from you so demand proper service.

Regards,

Ko.Schwab Bank in the US does not charge foreign currency conversion fees and also rebates any ATM fees so you end up not paying these. I use it all the time in Indonesia and Thailand without any problems. I carry very little extra cash as I can go to an ATM (in Plaza Indonesia for example) and get what I want. I don't believe I have tried to get more than 3 million rupiah in a day, but probably could. I carry a back-up ATM card in the event the Schwab card does not work, but have never had to use the back up.

[Member #4698]

The Dutch have been financiers and world traders since before New Amsterdam was founded. That's NYC to anyone who has never opened up a history book. It doesn't surprise me that Dutch Banks were among the first to offer their consumers innovative services like free ATM debit cards. Thankfully, American Financial Institutions are beginning to offer a similar product.

Charles Schwab Bank now has a checking account with a debit card that guarantees no ATM fees worldwide, no monthly service fees, no minimum balance, plus interest on the outstanding cash in the account. This is the best debit card out there for Americans.

Capital One the credit card company is now offering its customers a 360 Checking Account. It too features no ATM fees charged by the bank worldwide, but unlike the Schwab card, I believe there may be unreimbursed local ATM charges when the card is used at non aligned ATM's.

The days of bringing gobs of cash to Asia are over.

[QuackUp]

Today's plan, Empovium, Kings cross, Top gun and the's place.

After another big breakfast, I did the gym pool thing for the early part of the day. Took the bus and got off at Monas. While walking to Monas, I saw the city bus coming down the street. Since I had reached the city bus, bus stop, I decided to jump on. From the bus I saw how far I had to walk just to get to the entrance. Since it was so hot and muggy, which was everyday, I decided to just stay on the bus for the whole tour. The air condition bus was great, but the guide only spoke Indo, so I missed some of the site's and history behind them. Back where I started, I got off the bus. Time to go to Emporvium. I wasn't sure what time they open but later found out the girls start coming in around 14:00. I arrived there around 17:30, went upstairs and notice this place is smaller than what I thought it would be. Plenty of girls with some from Vietnam.

The mama san escorted me from the locker room to the lounge. She told me the prices of the girls. I got a drink and told her I wanted to relax and to give me 10-15 minutes to look around. Unlike Classic, she said okay and left me alone. She came back about 20 minutes later. I tell her what girl I wanted. She was a local girl whose name escapes me. She was probably the best looking of all the girls so far. She speaks English and she was the one who told me when the girls start to show up. She also told me that most of the girls didn't like to go into the spa. We skip the spa and go straight to the room. Since it worked so good the other day, I ask her if she would like a massage. First red flag, she says no. Okay, so then I tried to kiss her. She kept turning her head and only let me kiss her on the cheeks. Second red flag. She gave a CBJ, my first one on this trip, actually the only one on this trip. She said that is why they give out two condoms, one for BJ, the second for the act. Her third red flag. I then tried to DATY and she says no kissing there. That was the final red flag for me. So I just turned her over and did a grudge puck. The best thing about this girl was her looks, too bad her service didn't match her looks.

After the session I went back to the lounge. Get a drink and scanned the girls again. There were a few more girls than before. One caught my eye but because of the previous session I was a little gun shy. So I got up to leave, but as I passed her, I asked her for her name. She said Bunny and we spoke briefly. She was from Vietnam. I asked her if she would be there tomorrow and she said yes. So I told her I would be back tomorrow just for her. She smiled and we said our goodbyes. 30 seconds with this girl was more fun than the hour I had with the other girl. Finally I get to the cashiers cage. There are three working there but one is very cute. Of course the cute one wasn't the one helping me. So I just turned to her and started to talk with her. Actually more like flirting with her. Her name is Desti. Since she was wearing a ring on her wedding finger, I told her I was heart broken because she was married. Immediately she says loudly, I'am not married, I'am very much single. Man, if only I wasn't leaving in two days. I give her a big smile and flirt somemore. Finally I asked her if she would be working there tomorrow. She said yes. So, even though this was the place for my worst session, I now have two reasons to return. Total cost for the session was $1,536,400.

Took a taxi back to my hotel to rest before my adventure to Blok M. Around 19:30 I caught the bus for Blok M. From the bus terminal I took a cab to a restaurant called Tokyo Skipjack, a steakhouse. This place is highly rated on Tripadvisor and it was only about a 5 minute drive from the bus terminal. I thought it was good but nothing exceptional. I do admit, the salad was very good. After dinner, took an express cab back to Blok m and top gun. On the way there, I saw a bunch of people eating on the sidewalk. I guess the street food here is good. It was not to far from the restaurant. I'll have to try it, if I ever come back. I get dropped off at top gun and notice DS place is just across the street. So I go to DS place first. I enter and culture shock, almost an all white clientele. The only other place I saw non asians was at Alexis. There were 3 girls dancing but no one in there excited me. I got a drink and of course an older lady sits next to me. For the next half hour I chill and converse with this lady. I wasn't going to take her out, but she was cool. She even warned me not to take the taxis waiting in front. I forgot to ask her about the vip rooms. So after awhile I walk over to top gun. This place is happening. Good crowd and the band playing was pretty good. Unfortunately, all the girls I liked, were already hooked up. About 40 minutes later, I walk out to check out the other clubs. Almost all were empty. When I walked into the one called Sportman's something, they told me it was empty because they close at midnight. 30 minutes from now. So when I checked out the other dead clubs, I assumed they closed at midnight also. I walk back into top gun hoping one of the girls I like might be freed up. No such luck. I also notice, the girl I was talking to at the's place, was now in top gun. I guess they just go from bar to bar. I stayed for about 20 minutes then walked out. Fortunately, a pusaka taxi just dropped some people off, so I got in and called it a night.

[Member #4410]

Schwab Bank in the US does not charge foreign currency conversion fees and also rebates any ATM fees so you end up not paying these. I use it all the time in Indonesia and Thailand without any problems. I carry very little extra cash as I can go to an ATM (in Plaza Indonesia for example) and get what I want. I don't believe I have tried to get more than 3 million rupiah in a day, but probably could. I carry a back-up ATM card in the event the Schwab card does not work, but have never had to use the back up.Good for you, but it is still rare. Why?

Regards,

Ko.

[Member #4410]

The Dutch have been financiers and world traders since before New Amsterdam was founded. That's NYC to anyone who has never opened up a history book. It doesn't surprise me that Dutch Banks were among the first to offer their consumers innovative services like free ATM debit cards. Thankfully, American Financial Institutions are beginning to offer a similar product.

Charles Schwab Bank now has a checking account with a debit card that guarantees no ATM fees worldwide, no monthly service fees, no minimum balance, plus interest on the outstanding cash in the account. This is the best debit card out there for Americans.

Capital One the credit card company is now offering its customers a 360 Checking Account. It too features no ATM fees charged by the bank worldwide, but unlike the Schwab card, I believe there may be unreimbursed local ATM charges when the card is used at non aligned ATM's.

The days of bringing gobs of cash to Asia are over.Well, the world is slowly (trying to) catch up on the Netherlands in the level of financial services. Maybe there is hope after all. .

Regards,

Ko.

[QuackUp]

Today's plan, Emporvium, Classic.

In a dilemma today. I have an early 06:20 Sunday morning flight out. Do I try and get back early to rest before my flight home? Or do I stay out all night, then head over to the airport? Since I have a hard time sleeping on the plane, I decided to play a little and call it an early night. So the plan was to go to Emporvium first, girls show up at 14:00 but I mainly wanted to go more for the cashier. Then head over to Classic. Yes, their customer service sucks, but my best session came from there so I wanted to end my trip on a very high note.

I get to Emporvium around 14:30. I notice there is only one cashier and it's not Desti. I asked the cashier where Disti is. She said today was Desti day off. Bummer, that kicked my ego to the ground. Hopefully my session with Bunny will make up for it. Again a mama san meets me at the locker room. A different one from the night before. She escorts me upstairs and we get a table. Because it's so early, there's only about 25 girls available. I also notice there is only one other customer in the club. I sit down, order a drink and tell the mama san to come back in 15 minutes. Again the mama san complied and left me alone. I looked at the section where Bunny was sitting the night before but no one was there now. At this time no foreign girls were in the club. So I turn my attention to the local girls. Since it was my last day, even with the bad session I had last night, I wanted to session here one last time. Plus, Classic didn't open until 18:00. The mama san returns and I ask her if she knows Bunny. She said she didn't know Bunny but knew a Funi. She said one was local and the other was from Vietnam. She showed me the picture of the girl from Vietnam but it didn't look like the girl I was talking to last night. She also told me the foreign girls would be in later. So instead, I pick a local girl who kept looking and smiling at me once I had sat down at the table. The mama san calls her over and she is very good looking and can speak a little English. We flirt a little at the table, then head up to the room. On the way to the room, all I'am thinking is, since she is good looking, this will probably be a trophy puck like the night before. But then again, a lame puck is better than no puck at all.

We get to the room and to my surprise, after she locked the door, she comes over to give me hug and a great DFK. While talking with her downstairs, I didn't notice she had a tongue piercing. After that DFK, no mistake, she does have a tongue piercing. After the first hug, we made out standing up for a good 10 minutes and that's before any clothes came off. She then helps me take off my clothes and we head for the shower. In the shower she soaps me up very sensually, every so often coming up to give me a DFK. After the shower I get on the bed waiting for her to finish her shower. When she gets to the bed I asked her if she would like a massage. She said yes and off to erotic heaven we go. During the massage I lick her from head to toe and she makes some exotic moaning noises. To finish the massage, I pay alot of attention to her ass and in between her beautiful legs. From behind I DATY on her and from her sounds, she is liking it. She turns around and more dfking. I start to go down south. DATY was wonderful and I was able to get two fingers inside. After a while I come back up for more dfking and while making out, she moves her body and I go in naturally. Again, how these girls can do this without using hands, is amazing.

So we start in mish with lots of kissing. Then I had her get on top for CG and asian CG. Feeling her firm tits put me over the top and I cip. I warned her, but she actually pounded harder when I told her. After I finished I thought she would get off, but instead, she lays on top of me, giving me small pecks on the lips. About 30 seconds later, when I started to shrink, she gets off of me. I though this is when I go shower off, but noooo. She lays on the side of me and cuddles. What a great feeling this was. Awesome GFE. Then after a while, she starts to make out with me again. At my age I need more time to recover, but I went with the flow. Finally, I told her I wish I could stay with her all night, but it was time for me to take a shower. She get's in the shower with me and cleans me up. What a difference a day makes. As you can see, I didn't get a BJ covered or not. But in the heat of the moment, I wasn't looking for one. My session with her was as passionate as any Brazilian girl I have been with and the Brazilian girls sets a high standard for passion, GFE and pse. This girl could compete with any of them. When leaving the room, I notice we went over by about 10 minutes. No phone call telling us about the time. Maybe because it was early or slow?

This session was so good and I was feeling so high, I forgot to ask her for a picture. I actually had my cell phone on me this day. I know ymmv, but for you lucky guys still in Jakarta, I highly recommend her. Her name is Nisa. After paying and waiting for a taxi, I was feeling so good and drained, I decided not to visit Classic. Rita at Classic was good, but not this good and I still hate the customer service at Classic. So took a taxi to get an early dinner, then back to the hotel to pack and get some well deserved sleep by 20:00. Today everything worked out perfectly. Great way to end my first vacation in Indonesia.

[QuackUp]

I had a blast in Jakarta. If I return, I would probably stay at the Grand Mercure hotel up north. The Century park hote was fine, but the Mecure looks like its in a better location for the clubs I visited. The big plus being, there is a Transjakarta bus stop directly in front of the hotel. If I remember correctly, I think Malioboro was across from the Mecure also. I do agree with the other posters who said that the Indo girl have the best ass's of all the Asian countries. But not only do they have fine ass's, but the young girls I had, all had nice firm tits. I know most think because the girl is young she should have firm tits, but that is not alway the case, especially in Mexico. I have to admit, I had a hard time reading the receipts I got from the clubs. Basically whatever price the mama san told me, I figure if the bottom line was close to it with drinks and all, no problem. The only thing I could figure out was for the drinks and tips. I didn't get many photos because at Malioboro they ask for you camera at reception. At Alexis, if you change into shorts, the robes they give you have no pockets. No place to hide the camera. Finally, just from being so high, I forgot to snap a few pictures.

One question I should have asked before going, if you don't use the spa, does that half hour go into your room time? Also for newbies that plan on taking the Transjakarta bus. When the bus stops, there are three doors that open up. One in the front, one in the middle and one at the rear. Problem is, some of the bus stops only have doors for the front and middle. The first few times when I noticed this, I sat or stood near the middle door. That is until I knew which stops had the two or third door opening.

Finally, I had a great time here and that's just scratching the surface. Brazil is still my number one destination but after this trip, Jakarta has become a close second.

[Offshore Swell]

The lack of doors on the bus is to give you an authentic Indonesian travel experience. Don't forget! It's the journey, not the destination, even if you did have your heart set on getting off at the previous stop. Transjakarta is great but beware of pickpockets. The MO is to surround you and then get you caught up in the crush when the doors open, hands start wandering around your pockets.

Grand Mercure Harmoni is certainly convenient. Writing from the lobby there right now. Had a Fresh 19 yo last night. First day at work at one of my and Jakarta haunts. Oh so tight!

OS.


I had a blast in Jakarta. If I return, I would probably stay at the Grand Mercure hotel up north. The Century park hote was fine, but the Mecure looks like its in a better location for the clubs I visited. The big plus being, there is a Transjakarta bus stop directly in front of the hotel. If I remember correctly, I think Malioboro was across from the Mecure also. I do agree with the other posters who said that the Indo girl have the best ass's of all the Asian countries. But not only do they have fine ass's, but the young girls I had, all had nice firm tits. I know most think because the girl is young she should have firm tits, but that is not alway the case, especially in Mexico. I have to admit, I had a hard time reading the receipts I got from the clubs. Basically whatever price the mama san told me, I figure if the bottom line was close to it with drinks and all, no problem. The only thing I could figure out was for the drinks and tips. I didn't get many photos because at Malioboro they ask for you camera at reception. At Alexis, if you change into shorts, the robes they give you have no pockets. No place to hide the camera. Finally, just from being so high, I forgot to snap a few pictures.

One question I should have asked before going, if you don't use the spa, does that half hour go into your room time? Also for newbies that plan on taking the Transjakarta bus. When the bus stops, there are three doors that open up. One in the front, one in the middle and one at the rear. Problem is, some of the bus stops only have doors for the front and middle. The first few times when I noticed this, I sat or stood near the middle door. That is until I knew which stops had the two or third door opening.

Finally, I had a great time here and that's just scratching the surface. Brazil is still my number one destination but after this trip, Jakarta has become a close second.

[Menteng]

You don't need to wait for a bluebird taxi. If there is ever more than about 3 people in that line I just keep walking another 25 metres or so, turn right, and take the stairs up to the departure level. Grab one of the many bluebirds that are dropping people off. You might have to pay Rp10,000 ($1) to security as a 'parking fee' if they ask the driver for it, but who cares.
It is not without risk for the taxi driver. I once saw a security guy rip off the airport-taxi sign of the windshield and I believe that is something serious.

[Smoothy]

It is not without risk for the taxi driver. I once saw a security guy rip off the airport-taxi sign of the windshield and I believe that is something serious.I've seen that as well. I've also tried that where no taxi would stop out of fear to be caught picking people up on the departure level (they are not supposed to do that), but that was years ago. I don't think they police that as much as they used to. I always just book a Goldenbird. No need to wait in any lines, and you get a bigger car (I normally get a Kijang Innova). It's a bit more expensive (250k), but not much.

[Idol1]

I had a blast in Jakarta.....Great trip report, thanks.

About Classic: they do open before 6 pm on 2. Floor. Some of the hotter girls may not come too early but 5 pm onwards is fine in my experience. They have a sign on the entrance with 6 pm but that is related to your minimum charge.

Check your change from the check-out counter! I got short changed more often than not.

The mamis can be a bit pushy. If I want to sit quietly for a while I tell them I just finished a round or am waiting for a specific girl. Girls always seemed to be willing to do more than I was willing to do *o*.

[Smoothy]

I'm not in Jakarta at the moment. A buddy of mine tells me Top Gun was shut down for a special birthday party for Frida on Friday night. I personally think she's been the best looking girl on the blok during the last 6 or 7 years. For her to be able to shut the place down on a Friday night, she must have a sponsor these days, if not a husband. Does anyone know her story? Is she off the market?

[Mighty Spearsman]

First Time

Hi All,

Just got back from a trip to Jakarta. First off, thanks to all the contributors, especially Mighty Spearsman for his advice about Kartika. I was going to use the service of JAD until I heard he isn't doing his touring anymore. After reading back to the start of the year, I think I did okay.Thanks for the shout-out, happy to help, and I'm glad that you got to experience the soapy massage at Kartika.


Day Five

After dinner, took an express cab back to Blok m and top gun. On the way there, I saw a bunch of people eating on the sidewalk. I guess the street food here is good. It was not to far from the restaurant. I'll have to try it, if I ever come back.

I also noticed, the girl I was talking to at Dee's place, was now in Top Gun. I guess they just go from bar to bar. I stayed for about 20 minutes then walked out. Fortunately, a pusaka taxi just dropped some people off, so I got in and called it a night.
The first paragraph above is the one sentence that I would disagree with. I strongly encourage short-time visitors to Jakarta to NOT eat the street food - too much risk that you are eating something that's partially spoiled and/or fried in cooking oil that's been doctored. The main reason so many people eat street food is that it's so cheap, and their stomachs are more used to it than your stomach is. I'm sure that at least one poster will write a post disputing this and claiming that they eat street food all the time and have never gotten sick, but why take the risk and spend 1 to 2 days out of a one-week visit sick in bed? Be careful!

Your last paragraph reminded me of my first visit to the Blok M bars, some 9 years ago, with esteemed Senior Member Menteng as my guide. We spent about 30 minutes each in several different places and kept seeing the same girls in each bar. I ended up taking home a young lovely who I had chit-chatted with in three different bars. Great customer service, and I also remember her pulling out a uniform top from her bag in the morning and putting it on, as she was going straight from the Mandarin Oriental to her place of work (Carrefour or similar).

I had negotiated 350,000 as the LT fee before taking her home, she then asked for an extra 50,000 rupiah in the morning as taxi money to get to her job. While she probably took a local bus or van to her job instead of a taxi, I didn't mind because our time together had been great. You can tell this story is 9 years old by the lower prices!

[Cooze Hound]

I'm not in Jakarta at the moment. A buddy of mine tells me Top Gun was shut down for a special birthday party for Frida on Friday night. I personally think she's been the best looking girl on the blok during the last 6 or 7 years. For her to be able to shut the place down on a Friday night, she must have a sponsor these days, if not a husband. Does anyone know her story? Is she off the market?Hi, I went into TG around midnight on Friday. Yes there was a function, half the waitresses were dressed in Red. Not sure if the bar was closed earlier to the public.

I don't know Frida, but I do know the guy whom was paying etc. Without risking embarrassment or exposure, he is guy from West Australia that used to be very visible on the Blok. I saw him for the first time in ages in the's on Wed night, but the pool tournament was on, maybe he was playing.

He comes and goes to Jakarta and also has had a long on again off again relationship with Frida, according to the girls on the street.

On another note there was a Jl Paletehan night festival outside on the street on Saturday evening. All the bars had little kiosks outside with staff in fancy dress. As the stage was set up outside Gelael, needless to say the Sportsman, Everest and Moonrider stalls had no customers. In fact the whole thing was poorly attended unlike the events of years ago.

Cheers.

[Smoothy]

He has had a long on again off again relationship with FridaI think many of us have over the years.

Thanks for the info. I'm glad to hear she's done well. I haven't been with her in many years, but was surprised to hear she had such an elaborate party. Good on her. There aren't many girls on the Blok over the last 15 years or so who I would rate as attractive as Frida. She's a looker. I've always wondered why some guy hasn't taken her off the market yet.

Attached is a photo of her. She's the one in the black and white dress.

[Sean EZ]

Arriving on Dec 25th initially for a weekend. Is it worth staying over New Years eve, what's party like?

[Member #4698]

There aren't many girls on the Blok over the last 15 years or so who I would rate as attractive as Frida. She's a looker. Attached is a photo of her. She's the one in the black and white dress.I think both girls are pretty hot. Thanks for posting.

[Cooze Hound]

I think many of us have over the years.

Attached is a photo of her. She's the one in the black and white dress.Yes I remember the face now, but never had the liberty of enjoying her company.

I will check with a couple of the girls to confirm I had the correct facts and names, as its easy to mistake an identity.

[ThedStar143]

Hi.

This was my first day in Indonesia, it felt a bit different in Jakarta, I don't know why. ! Visited the most famous BLOK M pub Top Gun. Very loud. Lot of WG's. All in range 0 f 6-7/10 scale. Had a chicken basket along with beer, felt a bit awkward, as I was the only person having food there. Most were having drinks and playing pool. The whole pub filled with cigar smoke. Finally left the place as no one was so striking. On my way out a wg approached me asked 'want to take me. Mr' , I said 'why not' (7/10 fair with cat eyes). She quoted 700 k IDR for ST. I laughed and said you can get for 350 K IDR elsewhere. She didn't budge and I left the scene. Only the next day I understood why she was charging double price. Its just because of english skills. Almost 90% of WG in Jakarta don't know english. Except 'where are you from Mr'. However Blok M is a different place, here 90% know atleast understandable english. Thats the reason for double price when compared to other bars. Anyways I had to spend Day 1 alone in my bed dreaming of Indonesian Beauty.

Rocky.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Hi.

This was my first day in Indonesia, it felt a bit different in Jakarta, I don't know why. ! Visited the most famous BLOK M pub Top Gun. Very loud. Lot of WG's. All in range 0 f 6-7/10 scale. Had a chicken basket along with beer, felt a bit awkward, as I was the only person having food there. Most were having drinks and playing pool. The whole pub filled with cigar smoke. Finally left the place as no one was so striking. On my way out a wg approached me asked 'want to take me. Mr' , I said 'why not' (7/10 fair with cat eyes). She quoted 700 k IDR for ST. I laughed and said you can get for 350 K IDR elsewhere. She didn't budge and I left the scene. Only the next day I understood why she was charging double price. Its just because of english skills. Almost 90% of WG in Jakarta don't know english. Except 'where are you from Mr'. However Blok M is a different place, here 90% know atleast understandable english. Thats the reason for double price when compared to other bars. Anyways I had to spend Day 1 alone in my bed dreaming of Indonesian Beauty.

Rocky.To Rocky the.

That is the going rate now days inflation everything gone way up the a lot last 6 yr in Jakarta, most disco even the low end one like Millie average girl want 700 k min for 3 HR high end disco like golden crown and the colosseum most girl want one juta for st and 1. 5 for LT .

Fast eddie 48.

[Member #4410]

I've seen that as well. I've also tried that where no taxi would stop out of fear to be caught picking people up on the departure level (they are not supposed to do that), but that was years ago. I don't think they police that as much as they used to. I always just book a Goldenbird. No need to wait in any lines, and you get a bigger car (I normally get a Kijang Innova). It's a bit more expensive (250k), but not much.Agree. Just stay at arrival level and go to either Silver Bird, Golden Bird or White Horse lines, which are usually max 2 persons, and take your taxi there. Let other people wait for a slightly cheaper taxi.

Regards,

Ko.

[Ceegee]

Dipped my toes into craigslist again recently. Should follow my own rules about getting the girls on cam first. Of course she sent me the best possible photos with the promise of an amazing rimjob. While significantly heavier than the photos, probably the best rimjob I have ever had. Really drilled her tongue into my ass, and she had a lot of BDSM experience too. Fun times. Asked for 1 juta, which I agreed to since I did not even have to leave my hotel as she came to me.

[Ceegee]

I've seen that as well. I've also tried that where no taxi would stop out of fear to be caught picking people up on the departure level (they are not supposed to do that), but that was years ago. I don't think they police that as much as they used to. Does not seem to be policed much now. I did it again since I last posted about it, no problems, no bribe. I just stepped out into the traffic and have several drivers wave me over. Was looking for something on the front of the car that could get ripped off by security, but I could not find anything.

[DelBosque]

Back from JK since one week, here is a short report. Sorry, but English is not my best language.

I was 2 times 3 nights in JK, i stayed in fave hotel / blok m (good choise price / quality, only the breakfast is very poor for a westener) and I had a very good time and this with thanks to the very up to date wsg jk forum. I travel a lot and I consult the WSG forums very regular and believe me. The JK forum is one of the most efficient forums of the site, so. Thanks brothers for your very useful info.

I went to:

Maribaya massage (blok m): first i took a beer and some time to look around but finally choose a girl, very kind, nice body, good massage and at the end good service, 600.000 + 100.000 tip.

Cj at hotel mulia: nice place, many people and live music. Very good to look around, spend some hours and take some beers, plenty of top class lady's but they give me a feeling of big professionals and i (I'm 60!) am not sure if there service is proportional to their 1. 500.000 rate! For me a place to visit but not to take a girl out.

Hard Rock Café: this is a splendid design restaurant with life music, but not a Hard Rock Café, it is a cool place without ambiance, everybody is sitting in club chairs on tables, only me was on the bar. This is a shame for the hard rock status.

Blok m: took 3 times (from dees bar, my bar and top gun) a girl to my hotel and 3 times very satisfied, 2 short times and 1 overnight, always 300.000 + 40.000 for taxi.

Kartika spa: splendid soap massage, like to go every day, the place is not big class but OK, I was 3 times and 3 times with the same pretty girl (30 y) with a very nice body and excellent service, 350.000 + 100.000 tip + 45.000 for a big beer.

I had a very good time in JK and like to go back next year, thank you for the very useful information on the forum.

[Mighty Spearsman]

Back from JK since one week, here is a short report. Sorry, but English is not my best language.

I was 2 times 3 nights in JK, i stayed in Fave Hotel / Blok M (good choice price / quality, only the breakfast is very poor for a westerner) and I had a very good time and this with thanks to the very up to date wsg jk forum. I travel a lot and I consult the WSG forums very regular and believe me. The JK forum is one of the most efficient forums of the site, so. Thanks brothers for your very useful info.

I went to:

Maribaya Massage (Blok M): first i took a beer and some time to look around but finally choose a girl, very kind, nice body, good massage and at the end good service, 600.000 + 100.000 tip.

CJ at Hotel Mulia: nice place, many people and live music. Very good to look around, spend some hours and take some beers, plenty of top class lady's but they gave me a feeling of big professionals and I (I'm 60!) am not sure if there service is proportional to their 1. 500.000 rate! For me a place to visit but not to take a girl out.

Hard Rock Cafe: this is a splendid design restaurant with live music, but not a Hard Rock Cafe, it is a cool place without ambiance, everybody is sitting in club chairs on tables, only me was on the bar. This is a shame for the hard rock status.

Blok M: took 3 times (from Dee's Bar, My Bar and Top Gun) a girl to my hotel and 3 times very satisfied, 2 short times and 1 overnight, always 300.000 + 40.000 for taxi.

Kartika Spa: splendid soap massage, like to go every day, the place is not big class but OK, I was 3 times and 3 times with the same pretty girl (30 y) with a very nice body and excellent service, 350.000 + 100.000 tip + 45.000 for a big beer.

I had a very good time in JK and like to go back next year, thank you for the very useful information on the forum.Thanks for your excellent report. I noted that you paid lower prices for the Blok M ladies. Good work! Your post is proof that reading ISG can help mongers.

Am also happy to read that you enjoyed Kartika, my all-time favorite place in Jakarta. Just curious. Since you went there 3 times, why didn't you try a two-girl combo during one of your visits? Stick with the girl you had enjoyed before and ask her to choose a second girl. Heaven on earth! Oh well, maybe during your next visit.

[DelBosque]

Thanks for your excellent report. I noted that you paid lower prices for the Blok M ladies. Good work! Your post is proof that reading ISG can help mongers.

Am also happy to read that you enjoyed Kartika, my all-time favorite place in Jakarta. Just curious. Since you went there 3 times, why didn't you try a two-girl combo during one of your visits? Stick with the girl you had enjoyed before and ask her to choose a second girl. Heaven on earth! Oh well, maybe during your next visit.Spearsman,

They proposed me each time to take 2 ladys but I hesitate, I'm 60 with only one zizi. , but next time I follow your advice.

[Smoothy]

Am also happy to read that you enjoyed Kartika, my all-time favorite place in Jakarta. Just curious. Since you went there 3 times, why didn't you try a two-girl combo during one of your visits? Stick with the girl you had enjoyed before and ask her to choose a second girl. Heaven on earth! Oh well, maybe during your next visit.I endorse this message. The sandwich at Kartika is a very unique experience.

[Member #4410]

I endorse this message. The sandwich at Kartika is a very unique experience.I do think I must try this the next time I'm in Jakarta (soon).

Regards,

Ko.

[Dkooau]

I've been hoping to check out immigrant, how would you guys compare this with BATS. In regards to WGs.

Never been to immigrant. But BATS is a very good place for pickups.

[Smoothy]

I've been hoping to check out immigrant, how would you guys compare this with BATS. In regards to WGs.

Never been to immigrant. But BATS is a very good place for pickups.There are more freelance WGs at BATS than anywhere in town. There are very few WGs in immigrant. But if you are young and have game, you can pull freebies. And the girls are better looking at immigrant than they are at BATS.

[Stykler]

There are more freelance WGs at BATS than anywhere in town. Anyone have any intel on what the BATS freelancers are charging LT?

Styk.

[MasBule]

There are more freelance WGs at BATS than anywhere in town. There are very few WGs in immigrant. But if you are young and have game, you can pull freebies. And the girls are better looking at immigrant than they are at BATS.Agree totally with smoothy. As far as I have experienced there are no true W / GS in Immigrant. But lots of girls that will easily cost you 1 m in drinks in any one night.

If you are good looking, and a funkstar, or look wealthy. Then yes you will score, but you got to be 'the man' and exude confidence and wealth.

And you cannot compare BATS to Immigrant.

BATS is for white guys to find W / GS, some classy but most not. Think Brix at the Hyatt in Singapore and you got it.

Immigrant is for very classy Indo girls to find wealthy guys (usually chinese, but some euro white guys and some wealthy indos) .

Guys are classy looking. Most girls arent on the take but will cost you more in their drinks for the night than BATS will.

Simply, BATS is a sure thing, and the girls from Immigrant would never step foot into BATS.

Immigrant is a challenge, especially solo and without a group.

Depends a bit on your age. My personal easier options to score compared to Immigrant are Dragonfly, Fable, X2.

[MasBule]

Anyone have any intel on what the BATS freelancers are charging LT?

Styk.Most asking 800 k for ST and 1. 2 for LT.

Will start with 1 m or even 1. 5 m for ST, But that's if your first answer is 'I've just arrived and I'm staying in a 5 star hotel and all indo women are gorgeous'.

[Member #4537]

Immigrant is a challenge, especially solo and without a group.Actually found the opposite to be true.

Going with a bunch of Indonesian guys especially the Chinese they are quite fragile and aren't too keen of having a foreigner pull one of their girls. The whole concept of going as a group and working together to pull doesn't exist, instead they all want to compete directly with me. In other words, they tend to get jealous and that creates a lot of drama and embarrassment later. That's my personal experience anyway over the numerous times I went with the so-called "classy locals".

I've had no problem pulling in Immigrant solo. In any case, there's always a backup plan in the Kota places if I didn't score.

[Smoothy]

I've had no problem pulling in Immigrant solo.Egy, it may not be difficult for you to pull chicks from there, but it's not so easy for us old, fat guys to pull from immigrant. I think as long as you are under 35 and relatively good looking, immigrant is a good pickup spot if you are solo. I was 30 years old when I first came to Jakarta. Those were the greatest times! I could pull a chick from absolutely anywhere in town with no effort at all. I'd walk through the shopping malls and pretty much every girl's head would turn to check me out. Now, I'd be lucky if an old grandmother checked me out.

I agree that the locals aren't going to help you in a group unless you are close friends with them and they think you are looking for a serious relationship. In that case, they might try to hook you up with one of their friends. The best locals to know are the gays. They can be quite helpful hooking you up with a chick if they think you are a good guy. The indo chicks seem to trust their gay friends more than their guy friends.

I think the local guys have a different mindset from the expat guys. I find that if you get a bunch of westerners together and have a table with a couple of bottles at your table where it looks like you don't mind spending money, the girls will be interested in joining and the guys work together to help each other out. That being said, it's cheaper for us older guys to go to BATS and pay the money directly rather than buying all those drinks and going through the trouble of impressing the chicks at immigrant.

[Hilo77]

But that's if your first answer is 'I've just arrived and I'm staying in a 5 star hotel and all indo women are gorgeous'.That's funny and brings back embarrassing memories of when I first arrived in town a dozen years ago all bright-eyed and bushy-tailed and with too much money burning a hole in my pocket.

As for the Immigrant issue, Smoothy nails it for me, I have come to a point in my life when the cheap and cheerful, all-you-can-eat buffet option that is Jakarta pick up bars appeals to me so much more than the gourmet, fine-dining option of somewhere like Immigrant.

Life's too short at this stage to chase high-maintenance birds with over-inflated ideas of the value of their vaginas. There are no mountains I need to climb, I've ticked off all the challenges in my life that I ever set myself (and there were damn few of them if I'm honest).

But each to their own, good luck in whatever floats your boat.

[Stykler]

Most asking 800 k for ST and 1. 2 for LT.

Will start with 1 m or even 1. 5 m for ST, But that's if your first answer is 'I've just arrived and I'm staying in a 5 star hotel and all indo women are gorgeous'.Thanks HHM.

Much appreciated.

Styk.

[ThedStar143]

Hi Friends,

After dissapointment at BLOK-M, wanted to try different avenues. Henced moved around the city. I will list out my experiences.

1) Hotel Travel: After reading so much on internet. Entered the place with full of expectations. But the quality was poor. (all around 6/10). No english as usual. Had a beer and left the place. Rating 5/10.

2) Hotel Classic: reached early around 7 pm. Went to second floor. Wow this place is awesome (most of the girls 7/10 and some in 8 range). Divided into 4 groups (different dress colours). 350 k for one and 500 k for two flat. But the catch is you have to select two from the same group (Same colour) (no mixing). Had a plump one. After entering the room, found out to be Jakarta local. Well deed was average (6. 5/10). I feel like even though indonesian girls look hot, they are not that competent at bed (may be I am generalising too early, but I rate malay women top rank in matter of service at bed). Anways after exhaustion come out and enjoy show which stars around 8. 30. Highest collection of girls (around 100-150) Note: If you want to check other floors of classic, do that before taking a girl. I don't know why security for some strange reason does not allow you out until you pay and remove the band. Rating 8/10 (economical place with lot of choice).

3) Maliboro spa: Reached around 9. 30 after having dinner. Entrance 120 k IDR (don't remember exactly). Holly molly. The perfect stripper place (only topless). Let me tell you I have seen a indo (or may be mixed) having the hottest pair of boobs here. I'm sure they were doctored, because we see such pair either in dreams or porn movies. Anyways was delighted to see the place. Lots of uzbeks (known for their bad service), Few kazakhs (charming beauties) and also I saw may be a korean girls and wow she was in a school girl attire definitely the GF looks. But anyways as I just had a session didn't choose the girl (prices Local - 750 - 1200 K IDR, import 1. 8- 2 mil IDR).

Rating (8/10 - one of the best strip place).

4) Alexis: Reached around 11 pm. This place is designed for upper circuit. Entrance - 175 k IDR. A mamasan grabs me at the entrance and takes me to upper floor to choose a girl. I said no. But she insists, please have a look. I said ok. Goddman what an artfully designed place is this. ! And the girls arrive all okish 6-8/10. I say thank you mam and move to top floor, where we can have a dip in hot tub a) with girl for 1. 1 mill to 2. 5 mill IDR b) by yourself - 0 IDR. I chose the second one. But once I was taking a dip, a guy chose an PRC for may be 2. 2 Mill IDR (200 USD). Wow she was hot (easily 8. 5-9/10, I don't know how the service was, but they were making out in tub. Awesome.) Yes this is the place if you cash, you will get all, Indo, PRC, Viet, Uzbek, Kazak and sometimes russian too.

Rating - 8. 5/10 For the Upper circuit.

5) Kings Cross. Finally I reach at Kings cross may be around 12.30 am. The show stops around 1 am (doesn't remember exactly). This is the full monty stripper place in Jakarta. All the girls get into birthday suits while dancing. Wow my lifes first full monty stripper show, amazing. The girls here may pester you for drinks and say they will sit with if you buy them drinks. I would rather take them to massage room for 500 k IDR. But I have seen one of the best live music here. Very peppy, one singer almost is a replica of Rihanna (including shape, size, colour, haircut and even tone. Wow that was something) Girls rating 6-8/10. Around 50-70 girls, but kings cross is a bit far from other venues.

Rating - 8/10.

Final word. I LOVE Jakarta. Never in my life I partied so late. I reached hotel by 4 am and my mind was asking for more and I don't think anywhere in the world you get so many happening night life places, all unique in their own way in the same city for such a cheap price. Overall rating Jakarta for mongering destination - 8. 5/10 (minus 1 for no english).

Rocky.

[ThedStar143]

Read Juta for mill (ex 1. 5 mill).

Sorry typographical mistake.

[Member #4537]

and also I saw may be a korean girls and wow she was in a school girl attire definitely the GF looks.Definitely no Korean imports at Malioboro.

Aside from the PRC, Vietnamese and Uzbek you may stumble across the odd Latina or Russian MILF. Hell, I've even taken Spanish and Thai before, but no Koreans.

[Liondale]

Hi Friends,

After dissapointment at BLOK-M, wanted to try different avenues. Henced moved around the city. I will list out my experiences.

....

Final word. I LOVE Jakarta. Never in my life I partied so late. I reached hotel by 4 am and my mind was asking for more and I don't think anywhere in the world you get so many happening night life places, all unique in their own way in the same city for such a cheap price. Overall rating Jakarta for mongering destination - 8. 5/10 (minus 1 for no english).

Rocky.Thanks for a great summary. I am heading back to Jakarta after a couple of years absence. Used to go there monthly for a few years so quite excited to see how thing are and if anything has changed.

[MasBule]

3) Maliboro spa: The perfect stripper place (only topless). Let me tell you I have seen a indo (or may be mixed) having the hottest pair of boobs here.

4) Alexis: A mamasan grabs me at the entrance and takes me to upper floor to choose a girl.

Hey Rocky.

Seems like you appreciate a full monty show. Well then just an extra comment on these 2 venues above.

If your at Maliboro, walk down past the main street entrance, to the back right. You will find a club called Malio club. It is full strip with about 8 girls on stage at any one time. The girls rotate off and then come and do lapdances.

If your at Alexis, walk to the left on ground floor when you enter into a bar called Foreplay. Same as above.

I like these venues to get into the mood, bit of an entree before the main course.

Have fun otu there.

[CykaBlyat]

Last night was my second ever night in Jakarta. Decided to check out Classic and had an overall good session. Not mind-blowing but good.

Fought through traffic and arrived there at about 6-7. The hotel staff were helpful in directing me to the third floor (L2). When I got to a door where loud edm was leaking through, I asked the security guards if this was Terminal. I got a confused look from one, while another confirmed I was in the right place with a chuckle. I was given a number and walked in.

The whole time between me getting through security and getting to a private room with a girl, was a big stumble just figuring out the processes in this place esp. As a foreigner. Here are a few points about classic that would have been useful to me before I went in:

- After security check, you're given a tag on your wrist with an I'd number. Everything you order is associated with your I'd.

- Entry fee, drinks etc paid on exit. Counter is opposite the entrance. Once you've paid they'll give you a pass to give to security to confirm you've paid your dues and cab leave.

- On this night at least (Monday) there were girls dancing topless on stage. After a time, a few will walk off stage offering a lapdance for lady drinks. I should have said no and I haemorrhaged 300 k in about 5 mins. She realised I was a foreigner and was just slamming shots down. Could have had another the session with that money, but you live and learn.

- order drinks through the waitresses roaming around (first thing I did was walk up to the bar when I got in). They'll give you a receipt and associate it with your number. They give it to you to check and sign. Receipt process applies for anything you buy.

- bar chairs and tables arranged on the floor with girls seated in groups (each group with a uniform). Don't know if there are different nationalities represented or if all the girls are indonesian. Can anyone confirm if international girls are available? Language barrier meant I couldn't get this info out of the girls or the mamasan.

- The pushy mamasan I relented to (had a green laser pointer) insisted I pay 350 k up front for the girl I chose. Not sure if this is standard for all groups of girls.

Anyway, since it was my first time I was fine with a pushy mamasan presenting me with girl after girl. Picked one I liked, indicated that I wanted to head off and we landed in a private room a floor down. In general I found the girls here ticked all my boxes in terms of the hotness department.

Girls name was Zheena, slim playful Javanese girl with strawberry blonde hair. Her english is as you expect (next to none) which took away from the session. Not much else to write home about: shower, kissing (no DFK), BBBJ, DATY fucking.

Was a good experience just to see how the locals in Jakarta get their dicks wet. Still, would be nice to have a session where I can have a conversation with a girl. Along those lines, where can I meet a Viet girl in Jakarta? From previous reports, I've got Emporivm and Alexis on my list, any others I should look into?

[UsPete]

Hey Rocky.

Seems like you appreciate a full monty show. Well then just an extra comment on these 2 venues above.

If your at Maliboro, walk down past the main street entrance, to the back right. You will find a club called Malio club. It is full strip with about 8 girls on stage at any one time. The girls rotate off and then come and do lapdances.

.Malio and Malioboro are the same venue. They're connected together on about the 3rd floor maybe not something they advertise to mister londo. When you walk up the stairs -you'll know where the bridge is. As it has the security guards sitting attentively at both ends. Your wrist band will work to buy drinks from both clubs. You just need to remember which club you entered from when you leave. The artwork on the wall at the outside malioboro / malio concierge is also impressive.

The show I would recommend is the nude lesbian one which has a keystone cops feel with the girls rolling over each other. It's in the private "hidden" club at Empornium. It's the same hotel as mentioned in reviews here but you won't be directed to it by reception. You take the lift to about the second floor, pay an entrance fee for a drink and then walk up a flight of stairs with a fancy balcony. You won't get in if you're in a large group unless your a regular but you'll get in on your own if sober and able to speak some small-talk Indoensian. It's open to about 4 - 5 am much later than the meathouse / sauna downstairs.

As Smoothy mentioned gay guys / bencong in Jakarta are always useful and this club takes this approach one step further. Instead of mamasans you get fagasans camping it up and finding the girls that match your requirements. It's got quite a few of the Alexis girls who didn't match their quotas on earlier shifts in Ancol. These fagasans are very approachable and quite inventive as selling, I'm not sure if they speak English. Afterwards there's a very famous chicken porridge restaurant on Pecenongan where can get breakfast with fellow revellers.

Sorry I'm terrible with names so can't remember the name of the snug club in Empornium or the Bubur restaurant. Maybe someone else knows.

[Narrah]

Definitely no Korean imports at Malioboro.

Aside from the PRC, Vietnamese and Uzbek you may stumble across the odd Latina or Russian MILF. Hell, I've even taken Spanish and Thai before, but no Koreans.About 3 / 4 years ago, Malio did have some Koreans; pricing higher than the PRC's IIRC at that time it was 1.6 mill for PRC's and 2 mill for the Koreans. Also had some Russian / Ukraine girls.

Nowadays seems to be more Uzbek and China only, plus a few from South America on occasion.

[Kip11]

Malio and Malioboro are the same venue. They're connected together on about the 3rd floor maybe not something they advertise to mister londo. When you walk up the stairs -you'll know where the bridge is. As it has the security guards sitting attentively at both ends. Your wrist band will work to buy drinks from both clubs. You just need to remember which club you entered from when you leave. The artwork on the wall at the outside malioboro / malio concierge is also impressive.

The show I would recommend is the nude lesbian one which has a keystone cops feel with the girls rolling over each other. It's in the private "hidden" club at Empornium. It's the same hotel as mentioned in reviews here but you won't be directed to it by reception. You take the lift to about the second floor, pay an entrance fee for a drink and then walk up a flight of stairs with a fancy balcony. You won't get in if you're in a large group unless your a regular but you'll get in on your own if sober and able to speak some small-talk Indoensian. It's open to about 4 - 5 am much later than the meathouse / sauna downstairs..Tease Club.

[SeaTraveler]

I arrive from the province to Gambir at 1 am and fly out of Soekarno at 8 am.

Any suggestions for late night fun at that time of night before leaving Indonesia?

Thanks,

Traveler

[Ceegee]

I arrive from the province to Gambir at 1 am and fly out of Soekarno at 8 am.

Any suggestions for late night fun at that time of night before leaving Indonesia?

Thanks,

TravelerGambir is central, so you should have your pick of city locations. If you want to start moving towards the airport, some of the northern places should still be open. Google Alexis hotel and see what time they are open until. While I have yet to go there, it has been reviewed positively many times here, and I have seen it as I drive by on the toll road so know where it is.

If you want to get some sleep, you could get a room in one of the many airport hotels, the massage girls are usually up for it. Orchardz has been well reviewed here, but you would need to confirm what time they are open until. I stayed there once, my balls were already empty so I did not sample the massage girls, but the lift opened on the spa floor as I was going to my room and I saw a few nice looking girls and when they saw I was a bule they all gave me the "come fuck me" eyes. I was very tempted, and made a note to try it next time I get an airport hotel.

If you do get a hotel, and you have time to work the dating sites, I am sure you could get a girl to come meet you as well.

[TimTimGuy]

I arrive from the province to Gambir at 1 am and fly out of Soekarno at 8 am.
Any suggestions for late night fun at that time of night before leaving Indonesia?

Hi Traveler. I think some fun is possible, but you should factor to the airport travel time, check in and immigration delays, etc. You should think about being AT the airport by 06:30.

What day of the week are you planning this adventure? Saturday night and Sunday morning, you should be able to avoid major traffic delays. Weekdays, you will have a long drive from anywhere to anywhere.

I don't think an airport hotel is great idea, because of the check-in and check-out time and the MP option will be hit-and-miss at 2 am.

You could try one of the hotels (Classic, Travel, Alexis) to get laid and get moving to the airport. I just don't think you'll get any sleep!

Let us know what you do! TTG.

[Ceegee]

Yeah, scratch my idea of airport hotel, I just checked the Orchardz website and was surprised to learn that the spa closes at 10 pm.

[Bartle]

The last time I stayed in Jakarta was a year ago. I'm about to head over there again. Last time I tried something special and actually stayed in Hotel Travel. I read a false report that you could take your working girl up to your room if you were staying there. Turns out the integral brothel is run as a separate operation and you have to pay the usual crazy fee to take the girl to your room. So I didn't bother.

The room I stayed in cost about $50. It was a vast marble palace. I need a big space to think in (I work when I travel) and this was perfect. They have smaller rooms. It was a bastard to book Hotel Travel over the phone. They have very little English and hang up the phone all the time. I had to check very carefully that they had my reservation. It worked out. It isn't worth going back because you can book other places more easily and you get a room throw in with the working girl at Travel. So I will stay somewhere nearby and just visit.

In the past years I had many experiences. The line up changes frequently. So I am not sure I can rate the quality of the girls as a fixed proposition. Years ago I fucked a 20 year Angel who was 5'8" and had a firm body. She insisted on a condom for fucking. About 50% of the time girls in travel are willing to bareback with me. I found that girls at Melawi hotel go BB 100% of the time and are OK with things like Anal on occasion. But the price there is 600 k and the girls are dogs (my finding).

To get a girl to BB I use foreplay. Firstly touching then fanny stimulation then a bit with the mouth to make her slippery and finally brisk action with finger in her **** and thumb over the clitoris. The last girl I did there was hot didn't stop me slipping it in after this treatment. She told me to cum outside. After a few minutes fucking she told me to cum inside. Another trick is to tell a girl she is beautiful or that you love her. Those seem to be stimulating sucker words for the female of the species.

This trip I will try some of the online dating services. I don't want my picture to be found in a reverse image search so I found an online holiday photo of someone about my age and about as attractive an cut that to size. Suggest you think about doing the same if you are worried about being researched and exposed.

[Member #4537]

About 50% of the time girls in travel are willing to bareback with me. I found that girls at Melawi hotel go BB 100% of the time and are OK with things like Anal on occasion. But the price there is 600 k and the girls are dogs (my finding).

To get a girl to BB I use foreplay. Firstly touching then fanny stimulation then a bit with the mouth to make her slippery and finally brisk action with finger in her **** and thumb over the clitoris. The last girl I did there was hot didn't stop me slipping it in after this treatment. She told me to cum outside. After a few minutes fucking she told me to cum inside. Another trick is to tell a girl she is beautiful or that you love her. Those seem to be stimulating sucker words for the female of the species.In Travel for me I can get it 100% of the time if I tip nicely. Worst case scenario, insist on a blowjob only then she'll get the hint and agree to bareback FS after she gets bored or tired.

In other places in Kota you can actually cancel the session if the girl forces the condom if it's not past 20 minutes yet free of charge.

The only time I've not had any luck even with tipping is with the imports (PRC, Vietnamese and Uzbek etc.) in Malio, Alexis and Classic Bunker who absolutely demand you use the condom.

[DrPecker]

In Travel for me I can get it 100% of the time if I tip nicely. Worst case scenario, insist on a blowjob only then she'll get the hint and agree to bareback FS after she gets bored or tired.

In other places in Kota you can actually cancel the session if the girl forces the condom if it's not past 20 minutes yet free of charge.I've always tipped quite well for good performers in Travel, but after the session. Do you negotiate the rip for BB at the start of the session?

Also is there a post somewhere mentioning names / locations of some of these other Kota places? I keep seeing mentions of them on here but not specifics.

[Canyon]

I've been to Jakarta several times and my favorite places are BATS, Hotel Alexis and Sun City. I always do well at these places. However, I've never been to Immigrant. Are there working girls there? I'm about 50, slim and good-looking. I don't want a freebie, but I would like to get a young looker to go with me. I'm willing to pay the going rate. Will I find someone at Immigrant? What is the going rate? Where is Immigrant? Is it a bar? Any information would be appreciated.

[Member #4537]

I've been to Jakarta several times and my favorite places are BATS, Hotel Alexis and Sun City. I always do well at these places. However, I've never been to Immigrant. Are there working girls there? I'm about 50, slim and good-looking. I don't want a freebie, but I would like to get a young looker to go with me. I'm willing to pay the going rate. Will I find someone at Immigrant?Immigrant isn't a place known for working girls, but you may get the odd ayam every now and then. Have you tried CJ's in Hotel Mulia?

[Bartle]

In Travel for me I can get it 100% of the time if I tip nicely. Worst case scenario, insist on a blowjob only then she'll get the hint and agree to bareback FS after she gets bored or tired.

In other places in Kota you can actually cancel the session if the girl forces the condom if it's not past 20 minutes yet free of charge.

The only time I've not had any luck even with tipping is with the imports (PRC, Vietnamese and Uzbek etc.) in Malio, Alexis and Classic Bunker who absolutely demand you use the condom.Very useful information. Thanks. How much tip do you offer the girl before the session starts in Travel and the like? I never thought about doing that before.

What are the other places in Kota where you can change the girl for demanding a condom? The management agree to that or do you just say she is no good? What is your approach to management?

I won't bother with foreign imports. I am going to spend a night in KL before hitting Jakarta. I will fuck a skinny teen Viet girl at one of the MPs there. The cost is 168 MYR for a fuck. That is the only good mongering thing for me in KL. I find Beach club over priced and a hassle.


I've been to Jakarta several times and my favorite places are BATS, Hotel Alexis and Sun City. I always do well at these places. However, I've never been to Immigrant. Are there working girls there? I'm about 50, slim and good-looking. I don't want a freebie, but I would like to get a young looker to go with me. I'm willing to pay the going rate. Will I find someone at Immigrant? What is the going rate? Where is Immigrant? Is it a bar? Any information would be appreciated.I think you will want a "wing man" for immigrant. You have all of the hassle of picking up a non-pro girl and then you have to pay for it. It doesn't make sense to me. But I wish you joy.

I eschew BATS etc. As I think they are a waste of time. You have to go and hang out for hours in an expensive venue. Many of the girls are dogs and so your experience will be hit and miss. I got bored at 1 am last time I went there and left. Passed three super attractive girls entering the hotel who told me to turn around. But I was bored with wasting my time over fat / ugly girls for so long. In the straight sex transaction places you get cunts on demand. The strip joints sound nice to liven things up. Aside from that the online dating sites look very interesting. I am dirty old man and the first search I enter is "from ages 18 to 20". The way the west is going that will earn you a jail sentence in a few years.

[LA Guy 5]

In Travel for me I can get it 100% of the time if I tip nicely. Worst case scenario, insist on a blowjob only then she'll get the hint and agree to bareback FS after she gets bored or tired.

In other places in Kota you can actually cancel the session if the girl forces the condom if it's not past 20 minutes yet free of charge.

The only time I've not had any luck even with tipping is with the imports (PRC, Vietnamese and Uzbek etc.) in Malio, Alexis and Classic Bunker who absolutely demand you use the condom.How up to date is your information on Kota places and Travel? From what I have been told (by a papa-san around five months ago) there have been NGO's accompanied by government officials going around to many of the places telling them they need to enforce condom usage or else. And I heard from a friend who visited more recently that some of the usual suspects are complying with this rather strictly. Then again the pendulum could swing back or maybe already has.

[Member #4537]

How up to date is your information on Kota places and Travel? From what I have been told (by a papa-san around five months ago) there have been NGO's accompanied by government officials going around to many of the places telling them they need to enforce condom usage or else.Or else what? It's not like they can just kick them out. They do have a certain quota to fill.

The NGOs are powerless and can't fix something as complicated as this.

With all the bureaucracy going around to get simple things done as it is, I doubt that story is real.

My information about getting 100% (with the exception of import talent at Malio, Alexis and Classic) is up to date and accurate, since I live here and monger on a daily basis. And have been doing so for the past 3 or 4 years.

By the way, it's the same for freelancers too, not just Kota places (I. E. BATS, Blok M, CJ's etc.). Bareback is 100% guaranteed if you are patient and know how to play it right.

One thing you should know is, it's an extremely competitive market here and definitely to our advantage as mongers, so insisting on condom or turning down a client is not in their best interest because they know the next girl will gladly do it bareback with you. Besides, it's no secret that the local men don't use them anyway (though the girls like to pretend everyone uses them to give the impression they are clean).

[AnywhereInAsia]

I've been to Jakarta several times and my favorite places are BATS, Hotel Alexis and Sun City. I always do well at these places. However, I've never been to Immigrant. Are there working girls there? I'm about 50, slim and good-looking. I don't want a freebie, but I would like to get a young looker to go with me. I'm willing to pay the going rate. Will I find someone at Immigrant? What is the going rate? Where is Immigrant? Is it a bar? Any information would be appreciated.I don't see any advantage for you to go there if you don't want a freebie. Its a club more like Dragonfly X2 etc where you could go to meet a freebie.

[Smoothy]

I've been to Jakarta several times and my favorite places are BATS, Hotel Alexis and Sun City. I always do well at these places. An overweight bald midget with one leg and wearing an eye patch could do well at those places. Those places have strictly prostitutes. Immigrant is a whole different world. If you want to try it, Immigrant is in EX (EX is connected to Plaza Indonesia at the Grand Hyatt hotel). Just find the movie theater in that mall and you will easily find Immigrant.

[Member #4537]

Very useful information. Thanks. How much tip do you offer the girl before the session starts in Travel and the like? I never thought about doing that before.

What are the other places in Kota where you can change the girl for demanding a condom? The management agree to that or do you just say she is no good? What is your approach to management?It depends on the girl. If she's obviously a popular girl and gets a lot of clients, getting her to go bareback gets harder. So the tip is higher also. But standard tip is always 100 k.

Tipping is always negotiated as soon as she starts demanding condom and gives the usual "harus pake kondom" blabber. And you pay at the end.

I can't say which places you are allowed to change the girl for fear they'll suddenly get overwhelmed by mongers who abuse this policy, but believe me it is possible. You deal with the mamasan or papasan directly in case you want to change the girl, but you may need to have established an already good relationship with them (I. E. Stay with the same mamasan always when you go, be a regular client and tip her every now and then).

[LA Guy 5]

.Bareback is 100% guaranteed if you are patient and know how to play it right.

Well as I suggested things have changed and you have confirmed this. Until relatively recently being patient and knowing how to play it right was not part of the equation.


With all the bureaucracy going around to get simple things done as it is, I doubt that story is real.

This occurred at a bar where in the immediate vicinity pro condom, anti HIV posters had recently been plastered at various places in the alley. So something seemed to be up. Moreover, I have known this papa-san for years and doubt he would make this story up. At the same time, places like LABar, in a different area (Penjay), were putting significant pressure on their girls to use condoms, as I and others quite familiar with the Jakarta scene observed on recent occasions. I'm not suggesting there is a 100 percent ban on barebacking, just that it is not as available as it used to be (unless one goes to freelancers, or perhaps Maribaya (which I gave up on sometime ago for other reasons)). And although as I suggested earlier it is possible this will pass, there are some bars that had been very easy, but have become rather difficult to go bareback.

[Golfinho]

An overweight bald midget with one leg and wearing an eye patch could do well at those places. .At a place like Hotel Classic or Travel this is a sight you may very well see. And, who knows it could be fast Eddie himself.

[Member #4537]

This occurred at a bar where in the immediate vicinity pro condom, anti HIV posters had recently been plastered at various places in the alley. So something seemed to be up. These anti-HIV posters have been there for years in most establishments.


I'm not suggesting there is a 100 percent ban on barebacking, just that it is not as available as it used to beDo you tip them as much as they ask during the negotiation process? Do you pick a girl and just straight up head to the room or do you sit with her and do some chit chat and sweet talk? Do you offer to buy her drinks and cigarettes? How is your Bahasa and are you patient / persistent enough to get them to change their mind?

I still say it's 100%. Definitely can't say the same for Thailand.

[Member #4410]

Well as I suggested things have changed and you have confirmed this. Until relatively recently being patient and knowing how to play it right was not part of the equation.



This occurred at a bar where in the immediate vicinity pro condom, anti HIV posters had recently been plastered at various places in the alley. So something seemed to be up. Moreover, I have known this papa-san for years and doubt he would make this story up. At the same time, places like LABar, in a different area (Penjay), were putting significant pressure on their girls to use condoms, as I and others quite familiar with the Jakarta scene observed on recent occasions. I'm not suggesting there is a 100 percent ban on barebacking, just that it is not as available as it used to be (unless one goes to freelancers, or perhaps Maribaya (which I gave up on sometime ago for other reasons)). And although as I suggested earlier it is possible this will pass, there are some bars that had been very easy, but have become rather difficult to go bareback.

I think it mostly depends on the location.
I never used a condom in the VIP room in D's or with girls (dancers) I took home from D's. Same with Maribaya girls or Top Gun girls.
Kartika girls use condoms as a matter of course.

Regards,
Ko.

[Member #4410]

An overweight bald midget with one leg and wearing an eye patch could do well at those places. Those places have strictly prostitutes. <SNIP>

:-D

Regards,

Ko.

[LA Guy 5]

I think it mostly depends on the location.
I never used a condom in the VIP room in D's or with girls (dancers) I took home from D's. Same with Maribaya girls or Top Gun girls.
Kartika girls use condoms as a matter of course.

Regards,
Ko.That is exactly right in my experience. The increased pressure to use condoms seems to be primarily in the Kota or North Jakarta area and has spread from Kartika to some of the other nearby bars, as well as some, if not most, of the Penjay places.

[Bartle]

I never used a condom in the VIP room in D's or with girls (dancers) I took home from D's. Same with Maribaya girls or Top Gun girls..One thing that put me off taking a DS girl to the VIP room was the chance she would demand a condom and then (for me) my money would be wasted. So that is good to know. The DS room girls seem to charge 300 k for a blow job and?? For full sex. I hear from various reports. Some say 800 k for BJ including hiring your space in the room. I saw one very cute dancer last year. I didn't fancy the others. There is the opportunity cost of going with them against Travel / Classic and the like that are so easy and cheap.


Kartika girls use condoms as a matter of course.Where is that place? (So I can avoid it).

Bareback is one reason I go to Jakarta (and the Philippines) and never Thailand.

[Menteng]

At a place like Hotel Classic or Travel this is a sight you may very well see. And, who knows it could be fast Eddie himself.Maybe and maybe that's why he's reluctant to meet us (grin). But, he must understand that we are brothers. So, there's no reason for restraint!

[LA Guy 5]

These anti-HIV posters have been there for years in most establishments.

Do you tip them as much as they ask during the negotiation process? Do you pick a girl and just straight up head to the room or do you sit with her and do some chit chat and sweet talk? Do you offer to buy her drinks and cigarettes? How is your Bahasa and are you patient / persistent enough to get them to change their mind?

I still say it's 100%. Definitely can't say the same for Thailand.No the anti-HIV posters that I referred to were new and as I mentioned earlier were not in an establishment.

I'm actually not interested in being persistent enough to get a girl who insists on using a condom to change her mind. That is not my idea of fun. Until recently, I simply asked the mama-sans I knew or in one case the papa-san to tell me which girls would go condomless or if there was a girl I had my eye on, I would ask specifically about that girl and more often than not the mama-san or papa-san would arrange it. There were five mama-sans / papa-sans I knew fairly well who would do this gladly and I never had a problem in this regard once in the room. About six months ago, four of the five suddenly stopped doing this for me, all during the same month, and told me all the girls now had to use condoms. The papa-san I referred to earlier explained this was the result of an effort by some NGO's with the government officials at their side to enforce condom usage.

If you are contending nothing has changed in this regard in Kota and North Jakarta over the course of the last couple of years, you are wrong. By the way, I cannot remember the last time I used a condom in Jakarta, but I now restrict myself to a small subset of the venues I used to frequent.

[Member #4410]

Maybe and maybe that's why he's reluctant to meet us (grin). But, he must understand that we are brothers. So, there's no reason for restraint!There is always hope. See you in January.

Regards,

Ko.

[Menteng]

There is always hope. See you in January.

Regards,

Ko.It would be nice if he could join us (grin). Zijn de messen al geslepen?

[Member #4410]

It would be nice if he could join us (grin). Zijn de messen al geslepen?That won't be neccessary. He will not be there since he doesn't even know where Jakarta is :->

[Member #4385]

Never been with Frida, but I met with the girl in Red next to Frida on that photo. Her name is Liana, a decent girl. Met at Topgun, paid 900.000 overnight. She did not allow Bareback.

Anyone else tried her, think she is a regular at Topgun since I have seen her on multiple occasions.

Photo from her whatsapp.

Wamena


I think many of us have over the years.

Thanks for the info. I'm glad to hear she's done well. I haven't been with her in many years, but was surprised to hear she had such an elaborate party. Good on her. There aren't many girls on the Blok over the last 15 years or so who I would rate as attractive as Frida. She's a looker. I've always wondered why some guy hasn't taken her off the market yet.

Attached is a photo of her. She's the one in the black and white dress.

[Cooze Hound]

One thing that put me off taking a DS girl to the VIP room was the chance she would demand a condom and then (for me) my money would be wasted. So that is good to know. The DS room girls seem to charge 300 k for a blow job and?? For full sex. I hear from various reports. Some say 800 k for BJ including hiring your space in the room. I saw one very cute dancer last year. I didn't fancy the others. There is the opportunity cost of going with them against Travel / Classic and the like that are so easy and cheap.

.FS in the VIP room is normally 500 K, with the usual variables to be factored in.

Speaking of Dancers, I was in the's last night and they seem to have a raft of new ones, many of which are very trim.

Should suit Ko on his next visit.

[MasBule]

Hi colleagues.

Been a while since I have contributed anything of any use, so here's a little update of the past week.

Did a Maribaya visit, approx. 7 pm on a week night. About 15 girls in attendance, quality seemed low to me, many rather round butt shaped women. Anyway, after a beer of observing I signaled a girl to come over. Her name was Rezma, which I later found out was 25 yrs old, married at 14 with her first and only child at 15, from Central Java Jepara (famous for its woodwork and on the coast). She didn't want face photos taken, but she is image16 and 17 in the photo gallery. Get down to business, BBBJ with great suction, tasty DATY where she literally quivered and stopped blowing me with excitement, missionary, ending in doggy on the bed. Condom used, but she would have accepted not. Beer and tip all up 690 k.

Next day, lined up a mid 30's divorced mother from Scout. Met in a cheapie hotel in the city, she had a fantasy to be rapped well I wasn't going to do that, but we agreed to her arriving at hotel door with no panties on under her skirt and I handed a blindfold thru the slightly open door. Then for the next 45 minutes she was extremely submissive, if not a little shy, whilst I had my way with her. She claimed to be 1 yr without sex, and got into the swing of it after a few minutes of me inside, she was really really wet with DATY (plus non of this pussy washing like the pro's do). No condom used at her request, and ended up with very hard and fast thrusting, again at her request (well demands to be honest). No photos, no cost.

Saturday night checked out theblok. The street was rather dead at midnight, only topgun a little busy, but zero hot girls, I would go as far as to say not even any 7's.

Moved across to DS place and I didn't partake because I couldn't see any that I liked except one sexy dancer, but my buddy grabbed her. He got the usual BBBJ in the back room for 300 k. After that we ventured into Kota and ended up in a dirty and delightfully seedy nightclub that was lots of fun, theyre all the same scene in my opinion full of locals on MDMA rolling their heads from side to side. Didn't score any girl action, but was offered plenty of young druggedup girls by various people. I recommend this scene to anyone who is young at heart and a bit of an adventurer, but its worlds away from a night at topgun.

Next day, went to my favorite FS little massage place in the south not far from Blokm. Found my favorite girl called Rima, who is in photos 2,3,5 in the gallery. She has great English skills and a really nice girl to boot. Can't remember where she is from, but she has 1 child and 25 yr old, she was a little sick with a head cold, hence the faint coin marks on her back. Got a great 1 HR massage, followed by BBBJ, DATY and FS. Her cowgirl skills were quite nice, but her doggy was great. She positioned herself standing up with one leg on the bed and one leg on the ground, and really got into it with yelping and panting. The rooms have curtain doors, so I know the other punters must have heard her yelping, but it was all worth it. 500 k to her and 200 k to the reception for the massage. This time I didn't receive rimming or give her anal, but in the past she has provided.

Also, took a look around Tanah Abang station, went down an alley or two. I didn't like this scene at all, everyone seemed quite poor and the place was really dirty. Seemed to me there were working girls hanging around the station trying to score a client. Maybe I was in the wrong place as I haven't been around the station before, but it's the most uncomfortable I have been out wondering around Jakarta for a long time.

Just another week in Jakarta, but seeing as I rarely post reports, I thought I should contribute as the board is quite slow at present.

[Member #4410]

FS in the VIP room is normally 500 K, with the usual variables to be factored in.

Speaking of Dancers, I was in the's last night and they seem to have a raft of new ones, many of which are very trim.

Should suit Ko on his next visit.

<Grin> .

Two weeks to go.

[MasBule]

Guys, I found this on the Burma forum, anyone have experience with it? What your thoughts?

"1) test OraQuick Rapid Test, see this link. http://www.oraquick.com/..

2) buy them online or in USA pharmacies, not sure about other locations, but likely.

3) cost: USD35.00 per test if purchased from Amazon in bulk of 3-6 tests.

4) reliability, check website, but generally as good as at a lab if swabbed correctly.

5) time, 20 minutes. So get the girl into the room, swab her gums and start the test. By the time you are ready for anything dangerous, that's intercourse, you should have your answer. (Nearly all data indicates that a BBBJ is close to an impossible way of transmitting HIV).

Note, if the girl has recently contracted HIV, this test will not catch it. But, IMO the girl would have to be very unlucky to have contracted it in the prior 60 days unless she was having repeated unprotected sex with an HIV+ guy. So this will catch many of the HIV+ Population, but not all. It's good additional insurance. ".

[Member #4385]

Frequent to Hotel Classic, but usually tend to use the services at the 2nd floor. This time I arrived at midnight and took the elevator up to the 5th floor. Basically the same setup as the 2nd floor, but the ladies sit on a kind of stage, compared to the sofas in the 2nd floor. Most tables were occupied at my arrival, but mamasan managed to get me a seat. Most ladies were busy at this time of the day at classic, so its better to arrive earlier in the afternoon / evening to have more to choose from. However, found a 22 year old from Cirebon, good service and spent the full hour without any rush whatsoever.

Picture attached.

Wamena

[Bartle]

After that we ventured into Kota and ended up in a dirty and delightfully seedy nightclub that was lots of fun, theyre all the same scene in my opinion full of locals on MDMA rolling their heads from side to side. Didn't score any girl action, but was offered plenty of young druggedup girls by various people. I recommend this scene to anyone who is young at heart and a bit of an adventurer, but its worlds away from a night at topgun.I had one on me like a baby's arm (holding an apple) reading that. Fantastic report. I stay in Kota when I visit. I wonder if I have been into the sort of place you mean. It was a pub / club perhaps called Bintang. The customers were young indos in groups. Didn't stay long. Your experience sounds a lot better than mine as I wasn't offered girls and didn't even see any attractive ones. This one was around Lokasari.

What is "scout"? I am using DIA for this trip.

At Cooze Hound thanks for the price info.

I will be in Jakarta in less than a week. Looking forward to spearing some tight little fish.

[MasBule]

Date in Asia is good to line-up girls before hand.

Scout is a smart phone app that find girls near your current location. In a city like Jakarta it will find many many women, but it particularly useful in the regional cities where you don't know the scene.

Scout is similar to WeChat, Badoo. But I find Badoo only 'suggests' girls your age (no fun in that), and wechat's location service is a bit hit and miss.

Once on the ground try Scout, see how ya go (works best with wifi, but if you get 3 g coverage then its ok). Just be direct and open on it with what your looking for and you'll find some luck, I recommend put a good picture of yourself on it, without a picture you won't score. With a picture as a white guy you should, assuming you don't have a face like a smashed crab.

Others have had success on Tinder, but I haven't tried that one. The reason these are so successful here is that Indos are social media junkies, They are the largest twitter users int he world and have some of the lowest cost phone / data plans in the world. Many Indos you meet will have 2 or 3 phones.

Check this out, from a young bules POV (http://thejakartaglobe.beritasatu.com/blogs/tinder-fuels-indonesias-digital-sexual-revolution/).


I had one on me like a baby's arm (holding an apple) reading that. Fantastic report. I stay in Kota when I visit. I wonder if I have been into the sort of place you mean. It was a pub / club perhaps called Bintang. The customers were young indos in groups. Didn't stay long. Your experience sounds a lot better than mine as I wasn't offered girls and didn't even see any attractive ones. This one was around Lokasari.

What is "scout"? I am using DIA for this trip.

At Cooze Hound thanks for the price info.

I will be in Jakarta in less than a week. Looking forward to spearing some tight little fish.

[FreebieFan]

Scout is a smart phone app that find girls near your current location. In a city like Jakarta it will find many many women, but it particularly useful in the regional cities where you don't know the scene.

Scout is similar to WeChat, Badoo. But I find Badoo only 'suggests' girls your age (no fun in that), and wechat's location service is a bit hit and miss.

.App is called Skout in case you couldn't find it.

[Bartle]

Date in Asia is good to line-up girls before hand.

Scout is a smart phone app that find girls near your current location. In a city like Jakarta it will find many many women, but it particularly useful in the regional cities where you don't know the scene.

Scout is similar to WeChat, Badoo. But I find Badoo only 'suggests' girls your age (no fun in that), and wechat's location service is a bit hit and miss.

Once on the ground try Scout, see how ya go (works best with wifi, but if you get 3 g coverage then its ok). Just be direct and open on it with what your looking for and you'll find some luck, I recommend put a good picture of yourself on it, without a picture you won't score. With a picture as a white guy you should, assuming you don't have a face like a smashed crab.

Others have had success on Tinder, but I haven't tried that one. The reason these are so successful here is that Indos are social media junkies, They are the largest twitter users int he world and have some of the lowest cost phone / data plans in the world. Many Indos you meet will have 2 or 3 phones.

Check this out, from a young bules POV (http://thejakartaglobe.beritasatu.com/blogs/tinder-fuels-indonesias-digital-sexual-revolution/).
App is called Skout in case you couldn't find it.Wow, that is great information. Thank you. I signed up for DIA and have been with chatting with a few. Skout sounds fantastic. With DIA I did't want my photo to be on record on the web, so I found a group photo including someone about my age doing mountaineering in Nepal. Which I do also. I cut his image from that to use as my photo. I'm a bit younger and better looking. So the girls won't be dissapointed when I switcheroo. If Skout doesn't broadcast photos on the internet I'd use my real one.

BTW, do all the hotels demand I'd? Last 2 trips I only used brothel / spas like travel. I think before that it was hit and miss. I'm thinking that some girls won't want to be treated like a prostitute (unless they are). Does Sparks for example demand I'd from guests? I could also do an airbnb rental to get a separate establishment.

Thanks. Got it now and have it installed. Also grabbed Tinder.

[Member #4716]

I use this for the African street hookers when I'm in Europe. I test them: if they test negative, they get my repeated business. I still, of course, use a condom.


Guys, I found this on the Burma forum, anyone have experience with it? What your thoughts?

"1) test OraQuick Rapid Test, see this link. http://www.oraquick.com/..

2) buy them online or in USA pharmacies, not sure about other locations, but likely.

3) cost: USD35.00 per test if purchased from Amazon in bulk of 3-6 tests.

4) reliability, check website, but generally as good as at a lab if swabbed correctly.

5) time, 20 minutes. So get the girl into the room, swab her gums and start the test. By the time you are ready for anything dangerous, that's intercourse, you should have your answer. (Nearly all data indicates that a BBBJ is close to an impossible way of transmitting HIV).

Note, if the girl has recently contracted HIV, this test will not catch it. But, IMO the girl would have to be very unlucky to have contracted it in the prior 60 days unless she was having repeated unprotected sex with an HIV+ guy. So this will catch many of the HIV+ Population, but not all. It's good additional insurance. ".

[Member #4410]

That won't be neccessary. He will not be there since he doesn't even know where Jakarta is :->That should have been <evil grin> .

Regards,

Ko.

[Stykler]

I find myself in Jakarta over the Christmas break.

Can any knowledgeable folk out there tell me if there would be a sports bar in Jakarta which would be likely to have the cricket from Australia on TV live?

Thanks heaps.

Styk.

[Bartle]

I find myself in Jakarta over the Christmas break.

Can any knowledgeable folk out there tell me if there would be a sports bar in Jakarta which would be likely to have the cricket from Australia on TV live?

Thanks heaps.

Styk.There is a bar in block M called "The Sportsman" or "The Sports bar" or similar which fits the bill. Whether they show the cricket will I guess depend on patrons. They have pretty good western sandwiches, means and friendly staff. I normally drop in there during my visits. I may bump into you this Christmas. I arrive in Jakarta Christmas day.

[Possessed Seoul]

Aphrodite in Kuningan, or Cazbar in Mega Kuningan. Eastern Promise and Fez in Kemang will show it, but open later than these two venues.


I find myself in Jakarta over the Christmas break.

Can any knowledgeable folk out there tell me if there would be a sports bar in Jakarta which would be likely to have the cricket from Australia on TV live?

Thanks heaps.

Styk.

[Osmotico77]

Hello guys,

Thanks in advance for suggestions. I am new to Jakarta, where I will arrive on 28th, so next week.

I went through the posts, but I was getting confused. Can someone recap some basic info, such as:

- best clubs to go on Sunday-Monday-Tue-Wed-Thu, as unfortunately I won't be in Jakarta in weekend probably. Is X2 currently open?

- any good 4 stars hotel to recommend with the following requirements?

A) close to nightlife (which is the are with good sexy and not-sexy lifestyle? So better to stay close to Hotel Travel? Or close to Hotel Mulia? Or close to Immigrant? Someone recommended me the Mellinnium hotel (4 stars).

B) zero problems to bring girls to room (I will book a double-room).

C) swimming pool is a must.

D) possibly around 50-55 / night double room, not more.

- good restaurants to bring and impress enough Indo girls, but not so expensive on the same time.

Thanks for any advice.

[ThePrince1127]

Hello guys,

Thanks in advance for suggestions. I am new to Jakarta, where I will arrive on 28th, so next week.

I went through the posts, but I was getting confused. Can someone recap some basic info, such as:

- best clubs to go on Sunday-Monday-Tue-Wed-Thu, as unfortunately I won't be in Jakarta in weekend probably. Is X2 currently open?

- any good 4 stars hotel to recommend with the following requirements?

A) close to nightlife (which is the are with good sexy and not-sexy lifestyle? So better to stay close to Hotel Travel? Or close to Hotel Mulia? Or close to Immigrant? Someone recommended me the Mellinnium hotel (4 stars).

B) zero problems to bring girls to room (I will book a double-room).

C) swimming pool is a must.

D) possibly around 50-55 / night double room, not more.

- good restaurants to bring and impress enough Indo girls, but not so expensive on the same time.

Thanks for any advice.Much depends upon the type of nightlife you are after? Do you want regular clubs with a mixture of pro's and regular girls or the P4P clubs? If the latter then stay in North Jakarta, you have Lokasari, Manga Besar and Harmoni as your hunting ground and will have access to a dozen P4P venues. Mercure Kota hotel is within your budget, although I have heard it is a bit run down now it can't be beat for location as you have Lokasari and Hotel travel within walking distance and a number of nice spa's a short ride away (Emporium, classic, Olympic).

My advice would be to base yourself in the North, fill your boots during the day / early evening and then post 10 pm when the traffic is sensible jump in a cab and hot places like X2, Immigrant, Bats, Cj's, Blok M etc.

[Smoothy]

I use this for the African street hookers when I'm in Europe. I test them: if they test negative, they get my repeated business. I still, of course, use a condom.I'd love to see the local establishments use those on the guys as well before they are allowed to shag the chicks.

[Member #4410]

Hello guys,

Thanks in advance for suggestions. I am new to Jakarta, where I will arrive on 28th, so next week.

I went through the posts, but I was getting confused. Can someone recap some basic info, such as:

- best clubs to go on Sunday-Monday-Tue-Wed-Thu, as unfortunately I won't be in Jakarta in weekend probably. Is X2 currently open?

- any good 4 stars hotel to recommend with the following requirements?

A) close to nightlife (which is the are with good sexy and not-sexy lifestyle? So better to stay close to Hotel Travel? Or close to Hotel Mulia? Or close to Immigrant? Someone recommended me the Mellinnium hotel (4 stars).

B) zero problems to bring girls to room (I will book a double-room).

C) swimming pool is a must.

D) possibly around 50-55 / night double room, not more.

- good restaurants to bring and impress enough Indo girls, but not so expensive on the same time.

Thanks for any advice.Your demands are quite high for the price you are prepared to pay. A USD 55 room will not impress Indonesian girls since it wil not be in a 4 star hotel; more likely 2 star.

As for the other questions: the predictable answer. Do some research for yourself by reading the Jakarta forum. You still have a week.

Regards,

Ko.

[Ceegee]

Next day, lined up a mid 30's divorced mother from Scout. Met in a cheapie hotel in the city, she had a fantasy to be rapped well I wasn't going to do that, but we agreed to her arriving at hotel door with no panties on under her skirt and I handed a blindfold thru the slightly open door. Then for the next 45 minutes she was extremely submissive, if not a little shy, whilst I had my way with her. She claimed to be 1 yr without sex, and got into the swing of it after a few minutes of me inside, she was really really wet with DATY (plus non of this pussy washing like the pro's do). No condom used at her request, and ended up with very hard and fast thrusting, again at her request (well demands to be honest). No photos, no cost.
Sounds like she might be a submissive in the BDSM world. I have been playing with one of those recently. Mine wants to be spanked, tied up, pissed on, and told what a **** she is. Good fun.

I was in town last week and had one of my semi-regulars come over for some afternoon delight. I was tired and after she left I had dinner at the hotel and was going to call it an early night. But no, after several drinks and a nice dinner the little head took over and I found myself texting a few craigslist numbers. Life really is like a box of chocolates and next thing you know this gorgeous half arab, half indonesian single mother was on her knees sucking my knob in my hotel room. Turned out that she was only a few blocks away when I rang. She had a few tats and has clearly been around the block a few times, but I was infatuated with her arab / indonesian mixed looks. BBBJ, various positions, busted out my second load for the afternoon / evening and fell asleep a happy camper. Damage was 1 juta.

I was so infatuated with her looks that I called her back early the next morning as I was flying out in the afternoon. No problem she texts back, however she does not have a baby sitter, can she bring her kid with her? WTF, how are we going to manage this I wonder. Somewhat hungover and with a raging boner I agreed. Assuming she would section off part of the room or something. Sure enough, soon after she turns up with a young baby. In the sober light of day she was not quite as beautiful as I remembered, but still pretty hot and big ol titties that have not made it through child rearing as much as I would have liked. So she feeds the kid a bottle and puts it on the floor and starts giving me a nice BBBJ. One of the stranger situations I have been in, but it is amazing what the mind can overcome when it wants to.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Much depends upon the type of nightlife you are after? Do you want regular clubs with a mixture of pro's and regular girls or the P4P clubs? If the latter then stay in North Jakarta, you have Lokasari, Manga Besar and Harmoni as your hunting ground and will have access to a dozen P4P venues. Mercure Kota hotel is within your budget, although I have heard it is a bit run down now it can't be beat for location as you have Lokasari and Hotel travel within walking distance and a number of nice spa's a short ride away (Emporium, classic, Olympic).

My advice would be to base yourself in the North, fill your boots during the day / early evening and then post 10 pm when the traffic is sensible jump in a cab and hot places like X2, Immigrant, Bats, Cj's, Blok M etc.To The Prince.

I agree I stay there in OCT and I have stay here many time nice large room and a nice roof top pool, there are a few smaller disco club in kota Millie, Golden Crown and the new Colosseum club, they also have a newer hotel near Harmoni more expensive with smaller room.

Fast eddie 48.

[Primo Bolan]

Osmotico77 do you write anything back, ever? Or do you only ask Q?

[Member #4410]

Tease Club.Meaning exactly what?

[Possessed Seoul]

There is a rumour going around that The Sportsman (or Sporties as it is affectionately known) has closed yet again. I haven't been down the blok in a while, but given the way things are going there, it's unsurprising. The place used to do decent food and was a good option for an early drink before the main attractions, especially if you didn't want to get hassled by the usual remoras that ply their trade by getting in your face and offering massages and whatnot. At any rate, even if Sporties is still open, it didn't, IIRC, open before 12, which would mean you'd miss most of the day's cricket as the Boxing Day test will start at 7 am local time.


There is a bar in block M called "The Sportsman" or "The Sports bar" or similar which fits the bill. Whether they show the cricket will I guess depend on patrons. They have pretty good western sandwiches, means and friendly staff. I normally drop in there during my visits. I may bump into you this Christmas. I arrive in Jakarta Christmas day.

[Travel Lucid]

I am in Jakarta for a few days next week, for the first time, and have some afternoons to myself.

I am planning to visit some of the spa: probably*Malioboro,*Kartika*or Berlian. I might try one of Delta spas depending upon location.

Firstly, thanks to all contributors to this forum, a real wealth of good information.

I am very familiar with spa / saunas in Macau, Hong Kong and Singapore. I currently live in Hong Kong.

What I cannot ascertain from this forum is how the spas work; I understand that there are locker rooms and a arm tag / numbering system. *.

However, does one change clothes into towels / gowns, and leave valuables in the locker, or just shoes? *.

In Macau, I typically leave my valuables in the locker, but take iPad or whatever with me if I want to spend a good few hours relaxing.

Any feedback will be most appreciated.

TL.

[Kip11]

Meaning exactly what?That's the name of the club inside Emporium. I was answering the last part of the quoted post.

[Kip11]

I am in Jakarta for a few days next week, for the first time, and have some afternoons to myself.

I am planning to visit some of the spa: probably*Malioboro,*Kartika*or Berlian. I might try one of Delta spas depending upon location.

Firstly, thanks to all contributors to this forum, a real wealth of good information.

I am very familiar with spa / saunas in Macau, Hong Kong and Singapore. I currently live in Hong Kong.

What I cannot ascertain from this forum is how the spas work; I understand that there are locker rooms and a arm tag / numbering system. *.

However, does one change clothes into towels / gowns, and leave valuables in the locker, or just shoes? *.

In Macau, I typically leave my valuables in the locker, but take iPad or whatever with me if I want to spend a good few hours relaxing.

Any feedback will be most appreciated.

TL.Yes, it works like the spas you describe. Hong Kong, Macau, German FKK clubs.

You are given an arm tag with a key. You lock all your valuables inside. You will be given a robe, shorts, and flip-flops. You shower anytime you want, enjoy the spa facilities, workout, or lounge around. If you consume any food or partake any girls, you will be billed to your arm tag. You settle your bill after you get back in your clothes, on your way out.

I haven't been to every single establishment in Jakarta to say for sure. But at least it was the case in Orchardz and other similar spas I've been to.

[LA Guy 5]

I am in Jakarta for a few days next week, for the first time, and have some afternoons to myself.

I am planning to visit some of the spa: probably*Malioboro,*Kartika*or Berlian. I might try one of Delta spas depending upon location.

Firstly, thanks to all contributors to this forum, a real wealth of good information.

I am very familiar with spa / saunas in Macau, Hong Kong and Singapore. I currently live in Hong Kong.

What I cannot ascertain from this forum is how the spas work; I understand that there are locker rooms and a arm tag / numbering system. *.

However, does one change clothes into towels / gowns, and leave valuables in the locker, or just shoes? *.

In Macau, I typically leave my valuables in the locker, but take iPad or whatever with me if I want to spend a good few hours relaxing.

Any feedback will be most appreciated.

TL.I can give you some information about Malioboro, which I have visited maybe five times. I have walked into Kartika and I believe Berlian (if it is a door or two from Kartika) and they are much smaller and I doubt they have any procedure beyond going to the room with all your things (but I haven't had a session at either). They also are much more downscale than Malioboro.

When you enter Malioboro and after going through their metal detector, you go to the front desk and get a number, which is used to track your purchases. You then have two basic options (although there are some variants). One you can head straight up to the large lounge where you sit at a table, buy drinks, watch what is on stage (girls dancing either with clothes on or perhaps some off), look around at the many girls seated at tables and couches (often segregated more or less by nationality), have lap dances (I don't, but believe they probably cost around IDR 50,000 or a shot), have lineups of girls brought to your table, and so forth. Once you find a girl you like, you can either have some drinks first, or go straight to the room, with all your things with you (although it is possible they won't let you bring a camera past the metal detector; I have but sometimes had to do some fast talking). The mama-san has you sign a sheet of paper indicating the price, which is payable (along with the bar tab and so forth) on your way out, at the front table where you were initially given your number (which is on a wristband). Some tipping of the girl is expected I believe, and IDR 100,000 is probably the minimum. I think you give this to her directly after the session (unlike Alexis Hotel, e.g., where you can sign for the tip). The charge for the girl starts around 850,000 and can go up to maybe 2 million or more depending on nationality and so forth (not unlike Macau, although the girls are not in "national costumes ").

The other option which you can do before or after the above, is to go to the locker room, leave most of your stuff in a safe locker (with attendants), and head to the steam room, sauna, and pool or jacuzzi area. The attendants there give you some sort of gym like thing to wear, and if I recall it is expected that at least the shorts will be worn in the area, including the sauna (not to my liking). Sometimes there are girls dancing along the pool in various stages of undress. After taking a shower, you then can proceed to the lounge area above. I don't think I have seen many, if any, people stay in their gym clothes in the lounge, although frankly I might not notice.

Unless you are rushed, the steam room/sauna area is worth spending some time at, and also can be used as a rebound area.

I believe there is also a place to get non-sexual massages on premises, and I think a small gym room but my memory on this is not clear.

If you are looking for a similar, although more expensive experience, you can also try the Alexis Hotel, which is maybe 15 minutes further north from Malioboro, the caveat being you never know how long a trip is going to take in Jakarta owing to traffic considerations. But I don't really see any big advantage to Alexis over Malioboro, although some of my very well-off friends prefer it.

Hope this helps at least a bit.

[Bkk212]

Visited the bars in Blok M yesterday lots of girls around (and guys as well) My Bar seems to be getting quite a different crowd than in the past. There were some very nice girls but of them seemed not interested.

Made a big mistake (rookie) last night found a dance partner and she was quite into dancing, but I never got a quote upfront, and that posed issues at the end of the night. She wanted 1 M and there was no discount. Don't know how that slipped me as I always negotiate first before taking the plunge.

Now while I can afford that I just think it's too much, can understand why some ask for M and others 400-500 K is ok for them. I haven't seen her before so maybe she was a CJ's or Bats girl.

But I just don't think 1 M is a fair price.

[Osmotico77]

Much depends upon the type of nightlife you are after? Do you want regular clubs with a mixture of pro's and regular girls or the P4P clubs? If the latter then stay in North Jakarta, you have Lokasari, Manga Besar and Harmoni as your hunting ground and will have access to a dozen P4P venues. Mercure Kota hotel is within your budget, although I have heard it is a bit run down now it can't be beat for location as you have Lokasari and Hotel travel within walking distance and a number of nice spa's a short ride away (Emporium, classic, Olympic).

My advice would be to base yourself in the North, fill your boots during the day / early evening and then post 10 pm when the traffic is sensible jump in a cab and hot places like X2, Immigrant, Bats, Cj's, Blok M etc.Hello Prince and fast Eddie,

Thanks for your inputs, you were very kind.

Unfortunately I read too late your advice and I booked already hotel in Grand Indonesia area, that should be very close to Immigrant and take the benefits of having a nice mall near. On the other side, I will need taxi for all the other places you mentioned in the north.

Yes, I prefer regular or "mixture" clubs (so X2, Bats, Cj's), but occasionally I could go to sauna and explore P4P clubs. Thanks for suggesting Hotel Travel, Emporium, classic, Olympic. Is X2 open currently?

BTW, the budget of 55 for the hotel was in, not $, sorry for being unclear on that.

Feel free to give additional advice, once my situation is now more clear.

[Osmotico77]

BTW, the budget of 55 for the hotel was in, not $, sorry for being unclear on that.BTW, the budget of 55 for the hotel was in, not $, sorry for being unclear on that.

[Member #4537]

Now while I can afford that I just think it's too much, can understand why some ask for M and others 400-500 K is ok for them. I haven't seen her before so maybe she was a CJ's or Bats girl.

But I just don't think 1 M is a fair price.Only us mongers can take the blame for their greed.

If enough of us just say "I'll pay what everyone pays" or "I'll pay what other girls here always ask" and pay the real rate they wouldn't ask these outrageous prices. The problem is most guys just want to get it over with and pay what is asked and make no real effort to bargain or negotiate.

I've spent a lot of time in the Dee Place VIP room and seen countless times how guys pay 500 and even 800 for blow jobs and then the girls cheer and say how much of a dumb ass in Bahasa. Little do they know the rate is actually 300 and if it's a quiet day you may even be able to get her down to 250 (and yes, this goes for all, not just 1 or 2 girls).

[Smoothy]

Visited the bars in Blok M yesterday lots of girls around (and guys as well) My Bar seems to be getting quite a different crowd than in the past. There were some very nice girls but of them seemed not interested.

Made a big mistake (rookie) last night found a dance partner and she was quite into dancing, but I never got a quote upfront, and that posed issues at the end of the night. She wanted 1 M and there was no discount. Don't know how that slipped me as I always negotiate first before taking the plunge.

Now while I can afford that I just think it's too much, can understand why some ask for M and others 400-500 K is ok for them. I haven't seen her before so maybe she was a CJ's or Bats girl.

But I just don't think 1 M is a fair price.That's why you have to take many of these posts on price with a grain of salt. There are girls who will go with you for 400 k. But if you want a true hotty, you are going to need to pay more than that. When people post a report with no photo, you can pretty much disregard it because you have no idea what the girl looked like. Even if the guy says the girl was a 9 or a 10, that means nothing without a photo. I've seen guys rate a girl a 9 who I would rate a 3 or 4. Then again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But the more popular girls are going to cost more than the less popular ones. There is not a set rate. 1 million (or more) is pretty much the standard these days for a stunner.

[Canyon]

Interesting discussion. One thing I have noticed, many of the ways to find fun have moved online. I wonder what impact the internet has on the types of mongering places you describe? On my last trip to Jakarta, I did not go to any of the places that are often written about here (BATS / CJs / Blok M etc) instead I simply used the internet to have girls come and meet me at my hotel. I had more girls wanting to come see me than I could handle, and met a couple of gems that I will keep in touch with. Definitely get some duds too this way, but there are ways to weed out as many of them as possible.I've thought of trying to use the Internet, but I worry that a girl I meet will not be as attractive as her picture or may be dull. How would you get rid of her quickly? I'm afraid I would have to spend the rest of the afternoon or evening with her. If you hit several losers in a row, it could use up a lot of your vacation time.

[Ceegee]

I've thought of trying to use the Internet, but I worry that a girl I meet will not be as attractive as her picture or may be dull. How would you get rid of her quickly? I'm afraid I would have to spend the rest of the afternoon or evening with her. If you hit several losers in a row, it could use up a lot of your vacation time.

I posted more about that either in this forum or the Philippines forum. Basically use a webcam to ensure that the pictures are of her and are recent. Be upfront with them and tell them if they try to scam you (bait and switch photos, or photos from 20 years / kilograms ago) they will quickly be shown the door with no $$ for their efforts.

Can also meet them in the lobby/restaurant of your hotel, if they are not genuine just walk away. Don't tell them your name or room number.

If they get to my room and I have blown my load and don't want to spend another minute with them, an urgent yet confidential business call that I have to make right then and there sees them out the door with the agreed upon bundle of rupiahs in their hand.

[LA Guy 5]

The other option which you can do before or after the above, is to go to the locker room, leave most of your stuff in a safe locker (with attendants), and head to the steam room, sauna, and pool or jacuzzi area. The attendants there give you some sort of gym like thing to wear, and if I recall it is expected that at least the shorts will be worn in the area, including the sauna (not to my liking). Sometimes there are girls dancing along the pool in various stages of undress. After taking a shower, you then can proceed to the lounge area above. I don't think I have seen many, if any, people stay in their gym clothes in the lounge, although frankly I might not notice.

Just a slight correction to what I wrote above about Malioboro. Actually, you get the clothes for the steam room, sauna and pool area in the locker room. But after you have used the pool, steam room, and / or sauna and have taken a shower, there are other gym like clothes available from a booth next to the pool. I'm not sure whether these are for further gym activities, or whether some wear these when they go up to the lounge. As said earlier, I have only been there maybe five times, so my recollection of some of these details is not so good.

[Hilo77]

She wanted 1 M and there was no discount. Don't know how that slipped me as I always negotiate first before taking the plunge.

Now while I can afford that I just think it's too much, can understand why some ask for M and others 400-500 K is ok for them. I haven't seen her before so maybe she was a CJ's or Bats girl.

But I just don't think 1 M is a fair price.Your mistake, with the greatest of respect, was even discussing the price.

After you have enjoyed the lady's company, and she's all showered, dressed up and ready for the door, slip her a previously prepared 500,000 (if it was short time, I have no idea of long time prices, others can provide that info but the procedure is the same) into her pocket or purse, give her a peck on the cheek and a pat on her pert ass as you usher her out the door. Once in a while she may check the money as she is leaving (and in fairness there are cheap assholes out there who would lead her to do so) and pout sadly and say "Tambahin dong" ("Give us a bit more, eh? " ) . If she did a great job and her pout melts your heart, with a look of feigned exasperation you can slip her an extra fifty, if she wasn't worth it, a friendly wink and a slightly firmer pat on the backside toward the open door will do the trick.

Rest assured you will have paid a fair wage for a fair job. Honor will be even and no distress will have been caused.

[Bartle]

Jakarta short report.

I arrived on Christmas day and headed to Kota, having opted for Sparks hotel. It is a few minutes walk from Hotel Travel (brothel) and Lokasari plaza. The breakfast buffet is great, the rooms are basic but adequate with comfortable beds. It is way cheaper than any of the other acceptable options at $35 inc. Taxes and breakfast. The Delux room is no different from standard (to my eyes) so pick standard with breakfast.

I headed over to Travel after 6 pm and a shower. Pricing is the same as last year; 350 k including the girl, sex, and the room. Beer is Anchor at additional 45000 if you want it. "Mommy" remembered I wanted slim "baby" girls and brought me a girl who was about a 7, meaning pretty, slim and young in my calculations. She was nineteen years old. I let her call her boyfriend in the room while I took pictures, fingered her pussy and groped her boobs. Sex was along the lines of cat bath, no kissing on the mouth, tried to put a condom on me with her mouth but I made her BBBJ. I got an excellent BBBJ and then tried to get her to go bareback. I don't like to interrupt the action for these discussions. She wouldn't BB for less than 500 k, which I thought was crazy. She had been a bit irritating and mercenary, not really a GFE, and I didn't want to risk that much on what might be a crap fuck. I fucked her hard wih a condom for a while. Sometimes I can break these and get BB indirectly. Got bored. I had to pay her another 100 k in advance (hate this, but couldn't argue more and be able to cum), which she put into her purse, to get her to continue with BBBJ. Near the finish she gritted her teeth to stop my intrusion. But I still gave her a white Christmas and she spent a full five minutes in the toilet brushing her teeth and using mouth wash to get rid of the taste.

Yesterday (26th) I went back to travel at 10 pm and picked another slim, pretty, 7/10. She was slimmer having a more "boyish" figure than yesterdays take. She gave a much better GFE, kissing me and showing me a lot of attention. BBBJ but absolute refusal to consider BB. After an excellent BBBJ I had to put on a condom and fucked her for a few minutes. I couldn't feel anything. I decided to stop and save the shot for later. I gave her 50 k tip as she was a nice girl. I don't care what others give.

If you don't mind fucking with a condom Travel is Mecca for you. Some decent girls and very cheap sex.

Both days I walked around Lokasari plaza, and there about, finding restaurants and going for coffee. Universally girls were mid 20's or older and 4-5/10. About midnight on the 26th I was offered a slim 6/10 who looked 20 years old and angry. I declined. "Mummy" started negotiations at 500 k short time no condom. I didn't see how much they would finally go for because I didn't want to negotiate for girls who are an insult to my cock.

I noticed that boys were also offering themselves at the entrance to Lokasari at this time.

I went into D'Cota club which is in a road off Lokasari. There were mainly guys in there. The dancers fell off the ugly tree, hitting every branch on the way down. No decent girls inside at 12:30 am. The patrons were Indos out for a good time. Cold Bintang 65000 Rp.

I have often passed a club on the main road which is nicely lighted, with a classical entrance, but no name board. This time I checked it out. It is called Siera. Entrance is 20 k. The club is long. Near the entrance it is pitch black. I am not exaggerating. I had to use my phone inside to light my wallet. Waiters ran over to me and sold me a beer for 54500 Rp. They never told me it was delivered, instead placing it on a table behind me. When I picked it up I understood why. It was room temperature with a glass of ice. They could have collected flat beer from tables and poured it back into the bottle. So I took enough into the glass to give me the excuse of having a drink and then poured the rest onto the floor in a corner. Let the bastards work for the money they cheated me out of! I was never going to drink any of this because of the risk it had been tampered with or dirty. Further into the club there is a bar. Buy any drinks you want direct. But you don't need to. Suggest you forgot an over priced tipple and just walk around.

Immediately I got to a table a girl of perhaps 20 yo started looking back at me and smiling (judging by the light coming past her face in the pitch black). She came up to me after a while and let me put my arms around her. She started jabbering in Indo as I discretely fondled her midriff and ass. She cleared out after a while. This happened a couple of times with other girls. From the forum I understood the girls wanted me to buy them Extasy at 350 k. The waiters had offered me Extasy when I ordered a drink. One slim, hit bodied, young, monkey faced girl asked me in English for E and then cutely showed me a sad face and traced a tear track with her finger when I turned her down for a pill. Plain clothes police wait for the opportunity to bust foreigners holding or paying for drugs. Fuck that.

I noticed that middle aged Indo guys were with some of the 20's girls chatting, smiling, and fondling. If you speak the lingo this may be attractive to you. But my calculus goes this way. You buy the girl a pill for the cost of full sex in Travel Hotel. What does she need you for at this point? It will take her 30 minutes to "come up" at which point she is going to want to dance. Are you going to hang around for hours? She can hang out with her friends after that. Why is she going to go back to your hotel? If you speak the lingo better to find one who is already "pilled up" and persuade her to go to your hotel. In western countries this is considered are-ape. No problem in Indo where this is called "surprise sex".

If you want to try the pill route buy a packet of paracetamol. Back at your hotel take a pill or two and grind them rougher on all sided to make them seem more like illegal pills. Hand the girl one of these discretely out of your pocket so that any watching cops are not on your ass. She won't be sure the pill is a dud for an hour. You will get to see what you get for the money with little risk of jail time. I'd recommend keeping the packet of paracetamol in your pocket. You can say you have a bit of a cold and a pill or two came loose in your pocket. You don't speak Indo and thought the girl had a headache / cold and gave her a paracetamol for that. You could still get fucked. But at least you have a story.

Perhaps you can even get the girl to come back to the hotel and fuck thinking she will come up on E. Anyway, it is better than blowing 350 k on a poor chance of sex. This is such a cool idea I will try it tonight.

At the entrance to the club two guys pat you down. So you need some way of concealing your paracetamol. No big deal if they find it at this stage.

Leaving Siera I bumped into an old Indo guy on a moped. Earlier, on foot, he had tried to get me to give him cash to deliver a girl to my hotel. "Sure, pal, here is a wedge of cash. I will go back to my hotel and wait. " This time he wanted me to get onto his bike for "small girl, small, small" he indicating the average height of Indo women with the palm of his hand like playing invisible bongos. Translation "get on the bike and let me take you where my friends are waiting to kick your ass and take your money. "

I have been using WeChat and Skout. In WeChat two men have contacted me. No thanks! I haven't gotten around hunting girls on WeChat. I have used Skout. I had mid 30's not very pretty women contact me. They are an insult to my cock. I contacted 20's girls who have been friendly but not crazy to get my big foreign equipment into their tiny Indo sockets.

I guess that for bareback Block M might be worth another look. I gave up last year because I found the girls too old / ugly.

I can't be bothered with CJs or BATS because you pay x4 the money for an older 7/10 and perhaps you even have to use a condom with them. Plus there is travel there and back to the hotel, hanging around, having to pretend to chat up a working girl, and the uncertainty.

I hope I kept this report to the point. I have wordy reports from guys who want to produce a travel brochure. I can go to trip adviror for that.


Your mistake, with the greatest of respect, was even discussing the price.

After you have enjoyed the lady's company, and she's all showered, dressed up and ready for the door, slip her a previously prepared 500,000 (if it was short time, I have no idea of long time prices, others can provide that info but the procedure is the same) into her pocket or purse, give her a peck on the cheek and a pat on her pert ass as you usher her out the door. Once in a while she may check the money as she is leaving (and in fairness there are cheap assholes out there who would lead her to do so) and pout sadly and say "Tambahin dong" ("Give us a bit more, eh? " ). If she did a great job and her pout melts your heart, with a look of feigned exasperation you can slip her an extra fifty, if she wasn't worth it, a friendly wink and a slightly firmer pat on the backside toward the open door will do the trick.

Rest assured you will have paid a fair wage for a fair job. Honor will be even and no distress will have been caused.Fucking nice.

[Cooze Hound]

That's why you have to take many of these posts on price with a grain of salt. There are girls who will go with you for 400 k. But if you want a true hotty, you are going to need to pay more than that. When people post a report with no photo, you can pretty much disregard it because you have no idea what the girl looked like. Even if the guy says the girl was a 9 or a 10, that means nothing without a photo. I've seen guys rate a girl a 9 who I would rate a 3 or 4. Then again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But the more popular girls are going to cost more than the less popular ones. There is not a set rate. 1 million (or more) is pretty much the standard these days for a stunner.On this note, some of the Blok M bar waitresses are of course up for it, most of them are not that hot, as previously discussed, but they seem to feel it is their right to charge 1 juta or more because they are a waitress, not a worker.

Yeah right. Not that I go with these girls but hang around enough in Blok M to here them talking amongst themselves about this topic, with the usual added exaggerations.

So if you bump into any of these girls, stick to your guns on the rates.

Cheers.

[Menteng]

I posted more about that either in this forum or the Philippines forum. Basically use a webcam to ensure that the pictures are of her and are recent. Be upfront with them and tell them if they try to scam you (bait and switch photos, or photos from 20 years / kilograms ago) they will quickly be shown the door with no $$ for their efforts.

Can also meet them in the lobby/restaurant of your hotel, if they are not genuine just walk away. Don't tell them your name or room number.

If they get to my room and I have blown my load and don't want to spend another minute with them, an urgent yet confidential business call that I have to make right then and there sees them out the door with the agreed upon bundle of rupiahs in their hand.My way of dealing with this kind of situation is as follows. Get her mobile number and then arrange a meeting in a public place. Ask her what she will wear to make it easy for you to find her. Be on the location 10 minutes before the meeting is scheduled. Watch the entrance and if a woman / girl enters and wears the kind / color of clothing your date told you, make a call to make sure she's the one you were to meet. If that person answers and you like her, proceed. Don't you like her, cancel the meeting!

[World Jockey]

My wing man and I are going to Jakarta for the first time. We are also taking separate flights that are supposed to land around 11 pm.

Seeing as how we have never been to this airport before & our phones won't work we are trying to think of a good place to rendezvous in the airport.

The best we have come up with is the check in departure desk at one of our airlines.

Any of you Jakarta vets know a better place / landmark inside this airport that neither of us can miss?

[LA Guy 5]

My wing man and I are going to Jakarta for the first time. We are also taking separate flights that are supposed to land around 11 pm.

Seeing as how we have never been to this airport before & our phones won't work we are trying to think of a good place to rendezvous in the airport.

The best we have come up with is the check in departure desk at one of our airlines.

Any of you Jakarta vets know a better place / landmark inside this airport that neither of us can miss?The airport is not a good one generally. Not like Bangkok's or Singapore's, for example.

To access the checkin desk area you are supposed to show your outgoing airplane ticket with a flight out that day. So that is not going to work unless someone can suggest a reliable work around, which I doubt would be 100 percent.

Although not ideal, I would suggest meeting outside at the Silver Bird taxi sign next to the curb. You will have to look for it but it won't be so hard to find once you leave customs and immigration and go out the door to the outside. Hopefully, you will arrive close in time as you would basically need to stand up where the sign is, and tell the Silver Bird attendant you are just waiting for a friend. Note though there will likely be a number of hawkers trying to get you to their taxis when you leave the airport building. Some may say they are with Silver Bird, but are not as Silver Bird doesn't solicit this way. If you ask someone where the Silver Birds are and they start walking with you somewhere, they almost certainly will not be taking you to the Silver Bird stand.

One other thing is immediately after going out the first door from customs, there will be an indoor Silver Bird counter, where they you can purchase a Silver Bird ticket; this is unnecessary as the Silver Bird drivers take both cash and credit cards. I am not suggesting that you wait by this counter as it is possible there is more than one of these (at each of the two (exits), but rather pass by it and go outside to the Silver Bird sign next to the curb where the Silver Bird taxis depart from.

Of course, you could agree to meet at a different taxi stand, but the Silver Bird would likely be a less congested location, and should not be too difficult to find. I am assuming you are both arriving internationally; if one of you is arriving on a domestic flight, things would get more complicated.

One of the Jakarta hands on the board could probably confirm there is only one Silver Bird departure stand at the international arrival building. I am pretty sure this is the case, but wouldn't want to mislead you. Also, someone else may have a better suggestion as to where to meet, but at least my suggestion would work if there is not a better suggestion.

[TimTimGuy]

My wing man and I are going to Jakarta for the first time. We are also taking separate flights that are supposed to land around 11 pm. *snip*
Any of you Jakarta vets know a better place / landmark inside this airport that neither of us can miss?I am guessing that neither of you have an Indonesian visa; if so, you will have to buy one before going to the immigration lines. That would be the place to meet. You may have as many as a couple hundred people queued up at the (multiple) windows, but it is the one place where neither of you will be going anywhere until completion.

The other option would be at baggage claim. If you know each other's flight numbers, arrange to meet at one of the luggage claim carousels, whether or not you checked baggage.

I would not recommend leaving the immigration / baggage areas until you hook up. The chances for a miscue outside are way, way too high. There are two exits from the international arrival, which complicates everything. Hope this helps! TTG.

[LA Guy 5]

I am guessing that neither of you have an Indonesian visa; if so, you will have to buy one before going to the immigration lines. That would be the place to meet. You may have as many as a couple hundred people queued up at the (multiple) windows, but it is the one place where neither of you will be going anywhere until completion.

The other option would be at baggage claim. If you know each other's flight numbers, arrange to meet at one of the luggage claim carousels, whether or not you checked baggage.

I would not recommend leaving the immigration / baggage areas until you hook up. The chances for a miscue outside are way, way too high. There are two exits from the international arrival, which complicates everything. Hope this helps! TTG.The visa on arrival area would work, but note they may have visa on arrival windows on both the left and right sides of the hall as seen from when you are approaching the area. I say "may have" because over the last few years it seems they change their configuration every now and then and it is possible the visa on arrival counters on the left side aren't used as such these days, or aren't always used as such.

Also, FWIW if you are getting a visa on arrival, having $25 US in exact change may make things easier although I have seen a bit more flexibility in this regard lately.

[World Jockey]

The airport is not a good one generally. Not like Bangkok's or Singapore's, for example.

To access the checkin desk area you are supposed to show your outgoing airplane ticket with a flight out that day. So that is not going to work unless someone can suggest a reliable work around, which I doubt would be 100 percent.

Although not ideal, I would suggest meeting outside at the Silver Bird taxi sign next to the curb. You will have to look for it but it won't be so hard to find once you leave customs and immigration and go out the door to the outside. Hopefully, you will arrive close in time as you would basically need to stand up where the sign is, and tell the Silver Bird attendant you are just waiting for a friend. Note though there will likely be a number of hawkers trying to get you to their taxis when you leave the airport building. Some may say they are with Silver Bird, but are not as Silver Bird doesn't solicit this way. If you ask someone where the Silver Birds are and they start walking with you somewhere, they almost certainly will not be taking you to the Silver Bird stand.

One other thing is immediately after going out the first door from customs, there will be an indoor Silver Bird counter, where they you can purchase a Silver Bird ticket; this is unnecessary as the Silver Bird drivers take both cash and credit cards. I am not suggesting that you wait by this counter as it is possible there is more than one of these (at each of the two (exits), but rather pass by it and go outside to the Silver Bird sign next to the curb where the Silver Bird taxis depart from..Thanks for exposing the fatal flaw in our departure desk plan! That possibility didn't occur to us at all; as in the states one has access up until the security check. Thanks for the taxi info as well. We are both arriving internationally. After RTFF is appears Silver bird is the gold standard of Jakarta taxis.


I am guessing that neither of you have an Indonesian visa; if so, you will have to buy one before going to the immigration lines. That would be the place to meet. You may have as many as a couple hundred people queued up at the (multiple) windows, but it is the one place where neither of you will be going anywhere until completion.

The other option would be at baggage claim. If you know each other's flight numbers, arrange to meet at one of the luggage claim carousels, whether or not you checked baggage.

I would not recommend leaving the immigration / baggage areas until you hook up. The chances for a miscue outside are way, way too high. There are two exits from the international arrival, which complicates everything. Hope this helps! TTG.Yep you would be correct; neither of us have a visa. I'm guessing the setup is visa immigration baggage claim ground transportation? Considering our flights are about a half hour apart and we would want to secure our luggage before it grows legs; it seems like baggage claim is probably most well rounded option. Thanks for the double exit tip too! That probably would have thrown us for a loop.

I'll be sure to let you all know how I made out with the logistics in my Jakarta newbie report.

[Bartle]

Also, FWIW if you are getting a visa on arrival, having $25 US in exact change may make things easier although I have seen a bit more flexibility in this regard lately.The Visa on arrival is $35 now. You get the same $25 paper but there is a hand stamped note saying the price is now $35 according to such and such a law. I gave the woman in the booth $40, expecting $5 to be returned, and instead she gave me 50,000. When I looked surprised she shooed me away in the direction of immigration. Not a big problem. The extra money is interesting for them. Plus these places are used by people who want USD to take black money out of the country.

[UsPete]

Also, FWIW if you are getting a visa on arrival, having $25 US in exact change may make things easier although I have seen a bit more flexibility in this regard lately.It's $35 US nowdays.

[LA Guy 5]

It's $35 US nowdays.Thanks for correcting me on the cost of a visa on arrival. I was last there in June when it still was $25. I now see it went up to $35 in July.

I do have a question related to this. In looking at the Washington DC Indonesian Embassy website, it states you can extend the visa for another 30 days for an additional $35. It also states you have to state how long you are going to be in Indonesia when you arrive. http://www.embassyofindonesia.org/wordpress/?page_id=188. Does this mean it is possible to get both the 30-day visa on arrival as well as a 30-day extension at the time of arrival? Or do you instead have to renew the visa at some office around the time the first 30-day visa expires (as I previously thought was the case)? It would make things a lot easier if you can get both on arrival, although it would seem they could then simply offer a 60-day visa on arrival for $70 for those who wanted to stay more than 30 days.

[Haggis Man]

Also, FWIW if you are getting a visa on arrival, having $25 US in exact change may make things easier although I have seen a bit more flexibility in this regard lately.US 35 Dollars now the VOA.

[World Jockey]

The Visa on arrival is $35 now. You get the same $25 paper but there is a hand stamped note saying the price is now $35 according to such and such a law. I gave the woman in the booth $40, expecting $5 to be returned, and instead she gave me 50,000. When I looked surprised she shooed me away in the direction of immigration. Not a big problem. The extra money is interesting for them. Plus these places are used by people who want USD to take black money out of the country.Thanks for that cost update. Yeah you got to have exact change with them. When getting a VOA in Cambodia; my buddy asked the attendant for change. The look he received in return was like he asked him what color his boxers were.

[Menteng]

Thanks for correcting me on the cost of a visa on arrival. I was last there in June when it still was $25. I now see it went up to $35 in July.

I do have a question related to this. In looking at the Washington DC Indonesian Embassy website, it states you can extend the visa for another 30 days for an additional $35. It also states you have to state how long you are going to be in Indonesia when you arrive. http://www.embassyofindonesia.org/wordpress/?page_id=188. Does this mean it is possible to get both the 30-day visa on arrival as well as a 30-day extension at the time of arrival? Or do you instead have to renew the visa at some office around the time the first 30-day visa expires (as I previously thought was the case)? It would make things a lot easier if you can get both on arrival, although it would seem they could then simply offer a 60-day visa on arrival for $70 for those who wanted to stay more than 30 days.I'm sorry to confirm that you will get a VOA for 30 days only. You can get an extension, but depending on where your location is, you have to take care of that at one of the immigration offices. Usually in the vicinity of those offices are persons who can take care of that for you. But, why not apply for a 60 days tourist visa in your home country when you know beforehand that you are going to stay that long in Indonesia? Besides, there are people in, o. A. Places, Singapore and Kuala Lumpur that can take care of the latter in one day.

[LA Guy 5]

I'm sorry to confirm that you will get a VOA for 30 days only. You can get an extension, but depending on where your location is, you have to take care of that at one of the immigration offices. Usually in the vicinity of those offices are persons who can take care of that for you. But, why not apply for a 60 days tourist visa in your home country when you know beforehand that you are going to stay that long in Indonesia? Besides, there are people in, o. A. Places, Singapore and Kuala Lumpur that can take care of the latter in one day.That is what I thought unless something recently changed (for example, at the time of the cost increase), which it apparently hasn't. Since I go on business often, a tourist visa is not an option (a VOA works for business) and in any case I don't live in a city that has an Indonesian consulate, meaning having to deal with a visa service in another city, which can be a hassle in itself. So VOA it is, and on those rare occasions when I have meetings scheduled over more than 30 days, I'll just use a few free days for a side trip and then come back for a second VOA.

Thanks for the clarification.

[Black Page]

US 35 Dollars now the VOA.That is for 30 days. In Batam there is the option to choose also the VOA for 7 days which costs only 15 $.

Only in Batam? I think in all ports of entries where VOAs are issues.

[LA Guy 5]

That is for 30 days. In Batam there is the option to choose also the VOA for 7 days which costs only 15 $.

Only in Batam? I think in all ports of entries where VOAs are issues.The seven day VOA is only available at certain ports of entry according to Indonesia's Washington DC embassy website. A few years ago, they were available everywhere.

[Fast Eddie 48]

That is for 30 days. In Batam there is the option to choose also the VOA for 7 days which costs only 15 $.

Only in Batam? I think in all ports of entries where VOAs are issues.To Black page.

Do you know for Singapore passport do they still need paid for a visa to visit Batam only, I never entry to batam both time I arrive from Jakrata for US passport is now 35 usd there.

Fast eddie 48.

[Bone Roller]

Can anyone recommend a place where I will likely be able to watch the NCAA college (American) football championship game? Looks like its going to be about 9 am on Tuesday Jan 13. If my best bet is to stay cooped up in the Mercure Harmoni then so be it, but a little morning eye candy to go with my entertainment would be my preference.

[Smoothy]

Can anyone recommend a place where I will likely be able to watch the NCAA college (American) football championship game? Looks like its going to be about 9 am on Tuesday Jan 13. If my best bet is to stay cooped up in the Mercure Harmoni then so be it, but a little morning eye candy to go with my entertainment would be my preference.Watching that live at 9 am won't be easy. You could check with Aphrodite in Kuningan near Taman Rasuna at Elite Club. However, the places that normally show sporting events (like Aphrodite) don't open until 11 am and will not likely open special for American Sports events. American sports are not popular in Jakarta. If it were rugby, cricket, soccer, or Aussie Rules football, it would be a big event. But not American football. The only place I can think of that will probably show that game live starting at 9 am is the American Club, but that would be a dull place to watch it. Unless you bring a girl to your own room, you will not find a place at 9 am that has any eye candy. To see it live, you're most likely going to need to watch that game in your room. If not on TV, then on your computer. You could go to Aphrodite at 11 am and watch the last hour of the game, but you may be the only one in there watching it.

[Possessed Seoul]

I don't know where you get your information from, but Aphrodite opens way earlier than that. I have been there for a 6. 30 am start for cricket test matches from Australia. There is a small, hardcore group of American Football fans who gather there, but mostly do so for the NFL. I know a few of them, so will ask and get back ASAP.


Watching that live at 9 am won't be easy. You could check with Aphrodite in Kuningan near Taman Rasuna at Elite Club. However, the places that normally show sporting events (like Aphrodite) don't open until 11 am and will not likely open special for American Sports events. American sports are not popular in Jakarta. If it were rugby, cricket, soccer, or Aussie Rules football, it would be a big event. But not American football. The only place I can think of that will probably show that game live starting at 9 am is the American Club, but that would be a dull place to watch it. Unless you bring a girl to your own room, you will not find a place at 9 am that has any eye candy. To see it live, you're most likely going to need to watch that game in your room. If not on TV, then on your computer. You could go to Aphrodite at 11 am and watch the last hour of the game, but you may be the only one in there watching it.

[D Cups]

I don't know where you get your information from, but Aphrodite opens way earlier than that. I have been there for a 6. 30 am start for cricket test matches from Australia. There is a small, hardcore group of American Football fans who gather there, but mostly do so for the NFL. I know a few of them, so will ask and get back ASAP.Good to know, P.S., thanks. I will be there next fall. Is this place near Blok M or close to any place where I can get laid by some busty beauty?

[Smoothy]

I don't know where you get your information from, but Aphrodite opens way earlier than that. I have been there for a 6. 30 am start for cricket test matches from Australia. There is a small, hardcore group of American Football fans who gather there, but mostly do so for the NFL. I know a few of them, so will ask and get back ASAP.I get my information from being a member of Elite Club Rasuna for over 10 years and going there almost daily. Aphrodite opens at 11 am unless there is a special event. You say you went for an early morning cricket match. I think the guy who runs Aphrodite is Indian, so he would have a vested interest in cricket. As I mentioned in my last post, if it were rugby, cricket, soccer, or Aussie Rules, I have no doubt the place would be open and showing it. However, US College football will not be a special event unless a bunch of guys convince Frederick to open special for that..

[Possessed Seoul]

Sorry, but that is just plain wrong. The place is open from around 6 am pretty much every day. Anyhow, no point in getting into an argument over something so petty, but please, take it from me it is open well before 11 am. I spoke to management last night and the game will be on ASN, which they have, so anyone wanting to watch it can just go in before the 8. 30 am kickoff time and ask the staff to put it on.


I get my information from being a member of Elite Club Rasuna for over 10 years and going there almost daily. Aphrodite opens at 11 am unless there is a special event. You say you went for an early morning cricket match. I think the guy who runs Aphrodite is Indian, so he would have a vested interest in cricket. As I mentioned in my last post, if it were rugby, cricket, soccer, or Aussie Rules, I have no doubt the place would be open and showing it. However, US College football will not be a special event unless a bunch of guys convince Frederick to open special for that..

[Possessed Seoul]

Its a good 15-30 minute taxi ride from the Blok, depending on traffic, longer sometimes if you are going during the day or evening at peak hour. There are ladies nights on Thursday and Saturday, but these events are not as popular as they used to be. You may be surprised on a good night, but I would not go there with only picking up in mind, if I were you.


Good to know, P.S., thanks. I will be there next fall. Is this place near Blok M or close to any place where I can get laid by some busty beauty?

[Smoothy]

Sorry, but that is just plain wrong. The place is open from around 6 am pretty much every day. Anyhow, no point in getting into an argument over something so petty, but please, take it from me it is open well before 11 am. I spoke to management last night and the game will be on ASN, which they have, so anyone wanting to watch it can just go in before the 8. 30 am kickoff time and ask the staff to put it on.From years of experience, I can tell you that the gym opens at 6 am, Aphrodite normally opens at 11 am. My standard routine is to hit that gym in the morning, then have either the lunch special or chicken ceasar salad for lunch after working out. None of their restaurant employees show up until 11am. Yes, the game is on ASN (all American football is on ASN), and most places in Jakarta have ASN. But I would be very surprised if they are open at 8:30 am. I personally think you are leading the guy wrong. I suggest to anyone interested to go check in person one day prior to the event if they are thinking about showing up there at 8:30 am on a Tuesday - unless you just want to use the gym facilities. And do not speak with the Indonesian employees, speak with Frederick. Indos have a habit of telling you whatever they think you might want to hear. I wouldn't want to watch it there anyway because there wouldn't be more than 5 people in there watching even if they did open that early. But I should be in the gym that morning so I will swing by and say hello if they are indeed open.

It doesn't hurt to check though. It wasn't until just recently that they started showing the Super Bowl. There are now some Americans living at Taman Rasuna, whereas in the past there was almost none.

Good luck!

[Possessed Seoul]

So you are saying that every time I am in there after the gym at 8 or 9 am, earlier some days, I am imagining it? Makes me wonder who it is serving me coffee or breakfast then. I've watched pretty much all of the cricket there this year, with the tests from Adelaide, Brisbane and Melbourne getting under way at 6. 30 to 8. 30 am. There are also the group of Indonesian guys who are the entourage of a prominent politician who plays tennis at the club pretty much every day and they are always in there for coffee or a bite to eat early in the day. The guys who work the morning shift are all competent and will not just tell you what you want to hear. Anyhow, I had a drink with Fred last night and he confirmed it would be open for that game. Call him yourself if you like.


From years of experience, I can tell you that the gym opens at 6 am, Aphrodite normally opens at 11 am. My standard routine is to hit that gym in the morning, then have either the lunch special or chicken ceasar salad for lunch after working out. None of their restaurant employees show up until 11am. Yes, the game is on ASN (all American football is on ASN), and most places in Jakarta have ASN. But I would be very surprised if they are open at 8:30 am. I personally think you are leading the guy wrong. I suggest to anyone interested to go check in person one day prior to the event if they are thinking about showing up there at 8:30 am on a Tuesday - unless you just want to use the gym facilities. And do not speak with the Indonesian employees, speak with Frederick. Indos have a habit of telling you whatever they think you might want to hear. I wouldn't want to watch it there anyway because there wouldn't be more than 5 people in there watching even if they did open that early. But I should be in the gym that morning so I will swing by and say hello if they are indeed open.

It doesn't hurt to check though. It wasn't until just recently that they started showing the Super Bowl. There are now some Americans living at Taman Rasuna, whereas in the past there was almost none.

Good luck!

[D Cups]

Its a good 15-30 minute taxi ride from the Blok, depending on traffic, longer sometimes if you are going during the day or evening at peak hour. There are ladies nights on Thursday and Saturday, but these events are not as popular as they used to be. You may be surprised on a good night, but I would not go there with only picking up in mind, if I were you.Thanks, P.S.

[Menteng]

Funny! Apparently the two of you frequent Aphrodite's early in the morning, but you haven't met each other! Maybe it's about time!

[Psychman]

Jakarta newbie, but veteran of many spots around the world seeks advance. I will be in Jakrata for five nights in the not too distant future, and then off to some work in Bandung. Will have free time after a week of work and then will probably come back to Jakarta for five or six days.

After reading the forum a good deal, I am thinking of spending three nights in North Jakarta / Kota (this includes the first night when I get in very late) at the Mecure Jakrata Kota, and then moving down for my last couple of nights to Central Jakarta or father south to Blok M. I understand that the traffic is just hell, which would explain why I am thinking of the two areas as distinct sections of the trip. Does this seem sound? I assume I can get back and forth to BATS from either area, as long as it is after 10 pm, correct? I think I have read under half an hour IF it is after 10 pm, yes? Will Bats freelancers be "cool" with coming up to Cota.

About my preferences- I far prefer long time / all nighters to hour spa visits (although, will pertake). I eat "local" everywhere I travel to (most countries in Latin America, PI, LOS, Cambodia, Maylasia, ect ect) - I love markets, night markets, street food, and day time wanderings through "funky" areas. I am very self contained and don't need a lot of day time activities- I will spend a couple of hours a day reading and working out. I love megalopolisis- yes, that even includes enjoying walking around various "cities" in metro Manila (during the day).

Other questions. I am not clear about the best places / strategies for freelancers in North Jakarta / Kota? Some info about some of the discos, but there is a great deal of trepidation about addicted woman. Any thoughts?

Also, midpriced hotels (40-70 dollar range) suggestions for the second leg of the trip? I am open to anywhere interesting with good walking around, and not too far from freelancers at night. Hotel should have a gym.

About me. Pushing fifty look thirties, into extreme fitness (HIIT mostly), love to dance have have no problem blending in in places where late 20's to early 30's reveleres are welcome. Obliviously, any younger and "normal" places are foolish. Actually like hitting "normal" dance clubs at times to try my luck with non P4 P and "the grey area", but rely on P4 P. My favorite places are dance clubs where freelancers and "normals" mix, or where there are regular girls who are more than thrilled to look. I also love freelancer discos (which means, BATS is a must, right).

I know, a ton of questions, and hopefully they do reflect the fact that I have done a ton of RTFF.

Sorry for the rambling post.

[Bone Roller]

So you are saying that every time I am in there after the gym at 8 or 9 am, earlier some days, I am imagining it? Makes me wonder who it is serving me coffee or breakfast then. I've watched pretty much all of the cricket there this year, with the tests from Adelaide, Brisbane and Melbourne getting under way at 6. 30 to 8. 30 am. There are also the group of Indonesian guys who are the entourage of a prominent politician who plays tennis at the club pretty much every day and they are always in there for coffee or a bite to eat early in the day. The guys who work the morning shift are all competent and will not just tell you what you want to hear. Anyhow, I had a drink with Fred last night and he confirmed it would be open for that game. Call him yourself if you like.Thanks guys, despite the difference of opinion here, this is all useful information.

OK, well I will swing by there a day early and make sure someone will be there, serving something and will have a screen at which I can scream once in a while. For anyone who is in the neighborhood and cares about the game, I'll be wearing my bright yellow shirt. If you holler a go ducks at me, the first round is on me. Buckeye fans welcomed too, but you still have to holler. I apologize in advance if I have the previous night's troll sitting bewildered at my table as well.

Bone Roller

[Possessed Seoul]

No worries, I hope you enjoy the game. I have little interest in American Football, but may be there depending on my schedule, as I usually go in early for a coffee and to check emails. I want to say also that I didn't mean to give the impression I was picking a fight with Smoothie, he's a wealth of information and someone who has given a lot more to this board than I have over the years. We've probably bumped into each other dozens of times, but are unaware of each others' real-world identity. Smoothie, if you do introduce yourself to me, I'll gladly buy you a beer. I think maybe the fact that he goes in later has lead him to believe the bar does not open as early as it does, but I am there regularly between 7 and 8 am and can testify that there are staff there at that time. If the main door through the lobby is not open, you can enter through the side, BTW.


Thanks guys, despite the difference of opinion here, this is all useful information.

OK, well I will swing by there a day early and make sure someone will be there, serving something and will have a screen at which I can scream once in a while. For anyone who is in the neighborhood and cares about the game, I'll be wearing my bright yellow shirt. If you holler a go ducks at me, the first round is on me. Buckeye fans welcomed too, but you still have to holler. I apologize in advance if I have the previous night's troll sitting bewildered at my table as well.

Bone Roller

[World Jockey]

So I hear the city is pretty much fucked due to heavy flooding.

Have any of you mongers been seriously affected by this?

[MasBule]

So I hear the city is pretty much fucked due to heavy flooding.

Have any of you mongers been seriously affected by this?Not sure where, but south and central are free from water today.

[Member #4410]

Not sure where, but south and central are free from water today.The old town was trouble-free over the weekend. Today only slight rain in the morning, now sunny.

[World Jockey]

The old town was trouble-free over the weekend. Today only slight rain in the morning, now sunny.
Not sure where, but south and central are free from water today.Cheers and thanks I guess I don't have to pack that blow up raft after all.

[Member #4410]

Some of you may remember Novi Tinggi from Maribaya. Some two years ago she quit working there to become aerobics and yoga teacher. A few weeks ago she contacted me via Facebook and we agreed to meet when I was in Jakarta again. She said she had had no sex since she left Maribaya and you could tell. All that aerobics had made her very tight indeed and it took some oil to enter her. She still does an amazing blowjob and when she is really into it she also starts rimming like in the old days :-) .

Pictures in the photo thread.

Regards,

Ko.

[Member #4410]

Yesterday I was at D's Place (now under new ownership, mr. John, according to the girls) and I re-established contact with Ayu, already dancing there for some time. She is the one wearing the shortest dress with a string underneath. I took her to the VIP-room together with her colleague Cha Cha and got one of the best BJ's I had there for quite some time. Back in the bar we talked for a while and I invited her to my room with her colleague Mila (already early 30's but new at D's).

Of course they were one hour late due to macet, but we spent an enjoyable couple of hour together. 700 k + taxi for each.

Both are not exactly large breasted and visibly had kids, but are still tight and are eager to please.

Pictures in the photo thread.

Regards,

Ko.

[Member #4410]

So I hear the city is pretty much fucked due to heavy flooding.

Have any of you mongers been seriously affected by this?Maybe you got this idea from the increasing amount of reports about Jakarta sinking below sea level. That is a major problem and has been discussed briefly in this thread some time ago. The government and the city have started investing billions of dollars to prevent flooding, so it should turn out all right. The rainy season is expected to start late January.

Regards,

Ko.

[Member #4385]

I agree that the notion that Jakarta is always flooded in the rainy season is ill-put. There might always be an area somewhere in Jakarta that is flooded, but most of the time the areas that are often mentioned in this forum is not affected. So for travelers, flooding is not of an big issue to worry about. By the way Ko, the rainy season have definitely started in Jakarta and the rest of Java, it did so roughly one month ago. You might have confused it with the fact that it was mentioned in the papers today that the peak of the rainy season is expected in the end of January.

Wamena


Maybe you got this idea from the increasing amount of reports about Jakarta sinking below sea level. That is a major problem and has been discussed briefly in this thread some time ago. The government and the city have started investing billions of dollars to prevent flooding, so it should turn out all right. The rainy season is expected to start late January.

Regards,

Ko.

[MasBule]

The government and the city have started investing billions of dollars to prevent flooding, so it should turn out all right. I am sure the billions invested will be well spent and will flow down to the projects.

[Member #4410]

I am sure the billions invested will be well spent and will flow down to the projects.Project execution has actually started and Jokowi is not keen on corruption so things should be better than under all previous presidents.

[Member #4410]

I am guessing that neither of you have an Indonesian visa; if so, you will have to buy one before going to the immigration lines. That would be the place to meet. You may have as many as a couple hundred people queued up at the (multiple) windows, but it is the one place where neither of you will be going anywhere until completion.

<SNIP> Bit late, but the situation has become more efficient for foreigners. After you have bought your VOA ther is no more queueing; you can walk straight through to the baggage claim. Indonesian citizens have to queue for immigration. Makes a nice change.

[LA Guy 5]

Bit late, but the situation has become more efficient for foreigners. After you have bought your VOA ther is no more queueing; you can walk straight through to the baggage claim. Indonesian citizens have to queue for immigration. Makes a nice change.Are you sure about this? It doesn't seem right because one would have to have an immigration officer stamp one's passport, no? As late as last June, after buying the VOA (and occasionally the line for the VOA could reach a hundred or so), you had to then proceed to a line just after the VOA windows where there were immigration officers who were there to process foreigners. Sometimes one could get right through; other times it took fifteen minutes or more. Indonesians and I suppose foreigners who were Indonesian residents had to walk past this area to the normal immigration lines (The one exception was on certain Garuda flights immigration was done on board (and VOAs could be paid for at the foreign airport, such as Narita)).

Has the procedure changed since last June?

[Member #4410]

Are you sure about this? It doesn't seem right because one would have to have an immigration officer stamp one's passport, no? As late as last June, after buying the VOA (and occasionally the line for the VOA could reach a hundred or so), you had to then proceed to a line just after the VOA windows where there were immigration officers who were there to process foreigners. Sometimes one could get right through; other times it took fifteen minutes or more. Indonesians and I suppose foreigners who were Indonesian residents had to walk past this area to the normal immigration lines (The one exception was on certain Garuda flights immigration was done on board (and VOAs could be paid for at the foreign airport, such as Narita)).

Has the procedure changed since last June?In June it was like this already. You bought your VoA (I always arrive by KLM, by the way), got your passport and immigration form stamped and followed the sign "exit". This guides you straight to the baggage claim area.

Indnesian citizens line up for a number of immigration desks. After you retrieve your baggage you proceed to the exit where part of the passengers are randomly selected to put their bags through the scanner. I just handed in the blue customs form and was waved through last December. Fastest arrival ever.

Regards,

Ko.

[Menteng]

In June it was like this already. You bought your VoA (I always arrive by KLM, by the way), got your passport and immigration form stamped and followed the sign "exit". This guides you straight to the baggage claim area.

Indnesian citizens line up for a number of immigration desks. After you retrieve your baggage you proceed to the exit where part of the passengers are randomly selected to put their bags through the scanner. I just handed in the blue customs form and was waved through last December. Fastest arrival ever.

Regards,

Ko.Maybe your flight was an exception. I arrived about a month ago from Europe and had to queue two times: to buy the voa and to have the visa glued in my passport. Later, arriving from Sydney, things were taken care of in the plane after paying for the voa at Sydney airport.

[Joel Goodsen]

Later, arriving from Sydney, things were taken care of in the plane after paying for the voa at Sydney airport.This is super convenient, I had it twice as well. No queuing. Can only be done on Garuda Indonesia flights though. Have a great time in Jakarta.

[Member #4410]

Maybe your flight was an exception. I arrived about a month ago from Europe and had to queue two times: to buy the voa and to have the visa glued in my passport. Later, arriving from Sydney, things were taken care of in the plane after paying for the voa at Sydney airport.Strange. Are they differentiating between ports of departure or airlines or what?

Both in June and December I bought my VoA at a desk at the start of the "arrival hall" and got my VoA sticker attached at the same time. In December I then mistakenly queued with the Indonesians but was duly sent back at the start of the travelator and pointed in the direction of the "exit" sign. This led to the baggage claim area.

Garuda has been offering the onboard VoA service for some years now, but for long haul flights I no longer fly with Garuda due to the cramped seating.

Regards,

Ko.

[LA Guy 5]

Strange. Are they differentiating between ports of departure or airlines or what?

Both in June and December I bought my VoA at a desk at the start of the "arrival hall" and got my VoA sticker attached at the same time. In December I then mistakenly queued with the Indonesians but was duly sent back at the start of the travelator and pointed in the direction of the "exit" sign. This led to the baggage claim area.

Garuda has been offering the onboard VoA service for some years now, but for long haul flights I no longer fly with Garuda due to the cramped seating.

Regards,

Ko.I'm not quite sure what the issue is here. The normal procedure for those who are going to get a VOA is to go to the VOA window, pay for the VOA, and then proceed maybe five or ten meters to the immigration windows that are dedicated to processing foreigners, and are essentially next to the VOA windows. There the immigration officer will paste the VOA into the passport and stamp it. You then walk down a lane to the baggage area, where before leaving the lane someone, if awake, will look at your passport to make sure this has all been done.

Depending on time of day, and so forth, there may be a line for the VOA's, and there may be a separate line for immigration processing. I fly business class, try to be the first off the plane, and run to immigration, so I often do not have to queue. But sometimes I do, at both lines, particularly if another plane has arrived just before mine. I have seen more than 100 people in the VOA line after arriving on an ANA flight (fortunately, they were behind me as I ran to the VOA window from the plane). I suspect this is because ANA is a Japanese airline and most of the passengers likely were Japanese who were going to enter via a VOA. A couple of times I also had to wait for more than fifteen minutes in the immigration line to get my passport stamped and the VOA glued in. In one case it was during an ASEAN (sp?) event, and the immigration officers were closely screening everyone, thereby slowing down the progress of the line.

The only exception to the above is when flying Garuda from certain ports of entry one can purchase a VOA before boarding, and immigration agents are on the airplane to paste the VOA into the passport and stamp it. Or, for those who do not need a VOA, the immigration officer simply stamps the passport. I suspect Garuda only does this on the bigger planes, as I have flown into Jakarta on some smaller Garuda planes and they did not offer this service. But they do from Narita, and based on some other posts here apparently do so from Sydney as well.

[Leche]

How much is the BJ in the VIP room?

Is more available?


Yesterday I was at D's Place (now under new ownership, mr. John, according to the girls) and I re-established contact with Ayu, already dancing there for some time. She is the one wearing the shortest dress with a string underneath. I took her to the VIP-room together with her colleague Cha Cha and got one of the best BJ's I had there for quite some time. Back in the bar we talked for a while and I invited her to my room with her colleague Mila (already early 30's but new at D's).

Of course they were one hour late due to macet, but we spent an enjoyable couple of hour together. 700 k + taxi for each.

Both are not exactly large breasted and visibly had kids, but are still tight and are eager to please.

Pictures in the photo thread.

Regards,

Ko.

[Member #4410]

How much is the BJ in the VIP room?

Is more available?Please invest a few minutes to read earlier posts before resorting to the lazy way of firing off questions.

[Psychman]

Jakarta newbie, but veteran of many spots around the world seeks advance. I will be in Jakrata for five nights in the not too distant future, and then off to some work in Bandung. Will have free time after a week of work and then will probably come back to Jakarta for five or six days.

After reading the forum a good deal, I am thinking of spending three nights in North Jakarta / Kota (this includes the first night when I get in very late) at the Mecure Jakrata Kota, and then moving down for my last couple of nights to Central Jakarta or father south to Blok M. I understand that the traffic is just hell, which would explain why I am thinking of the two areas as distinct sections of the trip. Does this seem sound? I assume I can get back and forth to BATS from either area, as long as it is after 10 pm, correct? I think I have read under half an hour IF it is after 10 pm, yes? Will Bats freelancers be "cool" with coming up to Cota.

About my preferences- I far prefer long time / all nighters to hour spa visits (although, will pertake). I eat "local" everywhere I travel to (most countries in Latin America, PI, LOS, Cambodia, Maylasia, ect ect) - I love markets, night markets, street food, and day time wanderings through "funky" areas. I am very self contained and don't need a lot of day time activities- I will spend a couple of hours a day reading and working out. I love megalopolisis- yes, that even includes enjoying walking around various "cities" in metro Manila (during the day).

Other questions. I am not clear about the best places / strategies for freelancers in North Jakarta / Kota? Some info about some of the discos, but there is a great deal of trepidation about addicted woman. Any thoughts?

Also, midpriced hotels (40-70 dollar range) suggestions for the second leg of the trip? I am open to anywhere interesting with good walking around, and not too far from freelancers at night. Hotel should have a gym.

About me. Pushing fifty look thirties, into extreme fitness (HIIT mostly), love to dance have have no problem blending in in places where late 20's to early 30's reveleres are welcome. Obliviously, any younger and "normal" places are foolish. Actually like hitting "normal" dance clubs at times to try my luck with non P4 P and "the grey area", but rely on P4 P. My favorite places are dance clubs where freelancers and "normals" mix, or where there are regular girls who are more than thrilled to look. I also love freelancer discos (which means, BATS is a must, right).

I know, a ton of questions, and hopefully they do reflect the fact that I have done a ton of RTFF.

Sorry for the rambling post.Would love some thoughts and feedback. Thanks.

[MasBule]

Dude, in response to your request for info in order of your questions below, and seeing as your a senior monger and done your RTFF, then here is my 200 rupiahs worth.

Stay at the Mecure, its a good loco. I wouldn't move hotel just to be near BlokM. Don't worry about the blokm taxi ride, by the time you leave the Blok it will be 1 am-ish, so the trip will be 30 mins tops, at 1 am its 15 mins from BATS.

BATS girls go everywhere, most BATS girls end up in the BLOK BTW, if theres no customers or too much competition in BATs. I could be challenged here, but I have frequently seen just as good talent in Top Gun as in BATS, albeit at 2000-300 k less. And YES BATS FL's have no problem going to Kota, the Mecure is respectable and its central.

I concur, I prefer allnighters than spa girls any day of the week. Spa girls are for Chinese with small dicks and no charming qualities to collect normal girls. FL's are for tourists. The ones in BATS for tourist with big wallets, remember FL's have a choice and it makes a big difference! And lets face it, we all like a challenge (even if sometimes its like fish in a barrel).

As far as the food goes. Make your own call. If you've eaten street food in other developing countries, then you'll be ok. Just be smart. Usual stuff in other counties, cooked food, busy stalls, clean cutlery, etc. A really good option in my opinion is if your happy with street food got to the 'warungs'. Their a step up from street food, but in reality only a small amount of price increase. Basically street food in a basic restaurant setting (very basic). You can sit down and chat to locals and find where the good girls are. The benefit is they have running water which is a must IMHO for cleaning cutlery, the street option of the 2 bucket strategy aint cutting it for me guys. Also, you often find the successful street food stalls end up in this manner (also look for 'warteg' - more food choices really, especially looks for padang food 'masakan padang' but maybe another dollar or two for a good feed). In fact without digressing too much, you got to try some masakan padang, google away my friend.

Discos in Jakarta are an acquired taste, I assume you mean the hardcore stuff as reference to your comment about the girls being on it. The hardcore Kota clubs are only for those who are young or young at heart and have an inclination for dance music, if your NOT then you will be annoyed with the amount of young hotties off their face, the unique kota tribal dance music, the damn damn loud music and the very very dangerous conditions (my biggest problem is relaxing when I'm in a club full of people off their face, on the 4th floor and there is 1 exit in and out). Back to freelancers in Nth Jakarta. Ok so again I am going to be controversial here, but the way I see it is every single Indonesian girl under 30 in Nth Jakarta, without a BF and not Indo Chinese IS after 10 pm a freelancer. OK Ok so I am generalizing, but basically get out around Hayum Waruk and Lokassari at midnight and their all on the game.

So, I am still not quite sure what type of nightclub scene you like. BATS is like Brix in singapore, high end western music full of westerners on high salaries. Ditto CJ's.

If you like or want to try the hardcore stuff its Kota for sure, but you got to occasionally deal with warm beer.

Drop me a note when your in town, if I am free I can show you a few favs in Nth Jakarta.

P.S. First night you arrive late right, well BATS is open till 3 am and BlokM same. Nth later again, but the spots up there are more of a challenge for a newbie first time.

Cheers HHM.


Jakarta newbie, but veteran of many spots around the world seeks advance. I will be in Jakrata for five nights in the not too distant future, and then off to some work in Bandung. Will have free time after a week of work and then will probably come back to Jakarta for five or six days.

After reading the forum a good deal, I am thinking of spending three nights in North Jakarta / Kota (this includes the first night when I get in very late) at the Mecure Jakrata Kota, and then moving down for my last couple of nights to Central Jakarta or father south to Blok M. I understand that the traffic is just hell, which would explain why I am thinking of the two areas as distinct sections of the trip. Does this seem sound? I assume I can get back and forth to BATS from either area, as long as it is after 10 pm, correct? I think I have read under half an hour IF it is after 10 pm, yes? Will Bats freelancers be "cool" with coming up to Cota.

About my preferences- I far prefer long time / all nighters to hour spa visits (although, will pertake). I eat "local" everywhere I travel to (most countries in Latin America, PI, LOS, Cambodia, Maylasia, ect ect) - I love markets, night markets, street food, and day time wanderings through "funky" areas. I am very self contained and don't need a lot of day time activities- I will spend a couple of hours a day reading and working out. I love megalopolisis- yes, that even includes enjoying walking around various "cities" in metro Manila (during the day).

Other questions. I am not clear about the best places / strategies for freelancers in North Jakarta / Kota? Some info about some of the discos, but there is a great deal of trepidation about addicted woman. Any thoughts?

Also, midpriced hotels (40-70 dollar range) suggestions for the second leg of the trip? I am open to anywhere interesting with good walking around, and not too far from freelancers at night. Hotel should have a gym.

About me. Pushing fifty look thirties, into extreme fitness (HIIT mostly), love to dance have have no problem blending in in places where late 20's to early 30's reveleres are welcome. Obliviously, any younger and "normal" places are foolish. Actually like hitting "normal" dance clubs at times to try my luck with non P4 P and "the grey area", but rely on P4 P. My favorite places are dance clubs where freelancers and "normals" mix, or where there are regular girls who are more than thrilled to look. I also love freelancer discos (which means, BATS is a must, right).

I know, a ton of questions, and hopefully they do reflect the fact that I have done a ton of RTFF.

Sorry for the rambling post.

[MasBule]

Hey mate, I just reread your post, I think I gave too much emphasis to crazy clubs up north, maybe after a few beers that's where my mind is at present.

I'd say stick with BATS, TOP GUN, MyBar and CJS, if you will pay western bar prices, But if they aint doing it for you venture elsewhere. I might add the language will be barrier outside of those places may be a challenge. But far from impossible for an intrepid monger.



So, I am still not quite sure what type of nightclub scene you like. BATS is like Brix in singapore, high end western music full of westerners on high salaries. Ditto CJ's.

If you like or want to try the hardcore stuff its Kota for sure, but you got to occasionally deal with warm beer.

Drop me a note when your in town, if I am free I can show you a few favs in Nth Jakarta.

P.S. First night you arrive late right, well BATS is open till 3 am and BlokM same. Nth later again, but the spots up there are more of a challenge for a newbie first time.

Cheers HHM.

[Menteng]

Garuda has been offering the onboard VoA service for some years now, but for long haul flights I no longer fly with Garuda due to the cramped seating.
Regards,
Ko.First time since decades that I flew Garuda from Amsterdam to Jakarta last month, but I didn't notice that the VOA service onboard, was available.

[Clear Water]

Great post HHM.

Yes I'm a it of a North guy being a Chinese Aussie.

I love my pork dishes and can only really get in the North Jakarta Chinese area.

Yes most of the girls walking around the Lokasari area are WL.