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Joel Goodsen
03-19-15, 01:59
It could be Bongkaran, which is in Tanah Abang, along the railway line.
http://m.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/04/17/jakarta-inundated-with-proliferating-ills.html
It's not uncommon for prostitution to take place around railway stations and lines in Indonesia. If you walk along the flood canal along Jl Latuharhari on the southern fringes of Menteng, you'll notice a bunch of blue tarpaulin shacks that are used for short-time encounters of a night. The area spills over from the ladyboy areas on the other side of the bridge and from Jl Cimahi eastwards, its mostly women. Its very low end, catering mostly to local workers and I have been told that sex is sold for as little as Rp 50,000. I have sat at one of the open air warungs by the train line and had a beer, watching the comings and goings and was assured by the people working there that is was safe. I'm quite big, speak more than enough Bahasa Indonesian and am fairly street wise, but would hesitate to go to Bongkaran. If you do go, have a local friend go with you at the very least. Thibaud from Jakarta 100 bars has done a review of the Kalijodo brothel area in West Jakarta. Its another local place, and again, one that I do not care to visit.P.S., I doubt it's in Jakarta. Looks more like East Java to me.
Funny. I never made it to Bongkaran. I tried to enter the area once. On the south side of Tanah Abang station. But got held up by a group of local men. "Not save for you".
I am actually glad they did, 50 k. Ridiculously low. Too low. There's some health hazard going there.
How much do you pay them for how long of time?Varies widely. I try to stick to around 500 for short time when negotiating, don't always get that low, sometimes I can't be bothered haggling over the last 100, and if they paid their own taxi I try to cover that as well. Also if they had to travel a long way (I remember one that took the train in from Bogor) and made me happy I will throw in a bit extra. Negotiate hard and then pay extra delivers dividends in the friends of friends department. LT I aim for the 700 or 800 mark, but again depends on the girl, and if I can be bothered sticking to my guns. One girl got to my soft spot and I was giving her 1.2 juta for all nighters. She did everything, anal, rimming, but she seemed to have convinced herself that she wasn't whoring herself out, instead I was just a kind foreigner that was helping her raise her kid and we had a future together, my bunny boiler alarm went off and I stopped repeating her.
Don't get me wrong, I go through a lot of profiles, some girls are just trying it on and ask or 2 or 3 juta. Best deal I think I ever got was 2 girls at the same time who could only stay for 2 hours. They were repeats and only wanted 400 each for a threesome. I went to sleep with a smile that night.
P.S., I doubt it's in Jakarta. Looks more like East Java to me.
Funny. I never made it to Bongkaran. I tried to enter the area once. On the south side of Tanah Abang station. But got held up by a group of local men. "Not save for you".
I am actually glad they did, 50 k. Ridiculously low. Too low. There's some health hazard going there.Yes, something as well-organised as that would be better known in Jakarta, I suspect it's not in J-town.
I have said it before, I enjoy pushing the envelope but even for me Kalijodo was as far as I would go (and I backed off that), the blue-tarp scene in Manggerai would be right off my radar.
Other railway-related pick up spots are around Jatinegara, near the prison helpfully, and around Tanah Abang. Neither are particularly appealing in my opinion and not really bule-friendly, although not especially threatening either.
I put up a profile which makes my intentions very clear. I say I am already married, but am looking for a short term girlfriend and am happy to help with tuition / transport whatever. I receive more messages / interest than I can manage and get right to the point with the ones I do communicate with. That way everybody knows the drill and there are no false expectations.
An admirably efficient system, I too adopt a (semi) honest approach making it clear that I am a happily married man who is simply looking to make friends, that probably rules me out of the running for about 85% of the girls but the remaining 15% are more than enough to be getting along with.
It's amazing how quickly the ones who contact you and who insist in their profiles that they are not looking for sex just friendship admit that actually a bit of sex would be fine too. However, I like your strategy better, it saves a lot of faffing about and faux coyness if you get right to the point.
For my own security my profile has a somewhat blurred picture of a not unattractive cousin of mine, a contemporary who in the right light and from the distance could pass for me, I can send better, genuine photos later when I get to know them, after all we bules all just look the same don't we?
It's amazing how quickly the ones who contact you and who insist in their profiles that they are not looking for sex just friendship admit that actually a bit of sex would be fine too. However, I like your strategy better, it saves a lot of faffing about and faux coyness if you get right to the point.
Haha, yeah, I assume those one are just keeping up appearances. A year or so ago I was regularly seeing a 40-something MILF with a career who was a freebie from a dating site. If a girl contacts me first after reading my profile, then I assume it is game on. In fact, the ones who have a profile that say they are only looking for serious and looking for an age range younger than me, but contacts me first, are a bit trickier to communicate with. They could be genuine freebies and get offended if you bring up money. In contrast, a 21 year old hottie who has a profile that says she is looking to date men 18 to 80 years old, I will be asking how much she wants in the first minute of communication to weed out the ones looking for 2 juta+ suckers.
For my own security my profile has a somewhat blurred picture of a not unattractive cousin of mine, a contemporary who in the right light and from the distance could pass for me, I can send better, genuine photos later when I get to know them, after all we bules all just look the same don't we?Absolutely! My pic is not me (fatter, uglier guy I found through google so there are no complaints when I turn up), the name I give them is not real, I have a completely bogus cover story about my business, and use a disposable SIM to communicate with them. When I leave town, if I don't want them to find me, I am a ghost.
Robert Long
03-19-15, 07:17
Haha, yeah, I assume those one are just keeping up appearances. A year or so ago I was regularly seeing a 40-something MILF with a career who was a freebie from a dating site. If a girl contacts me first after reading my profile, then I assume it is game on. In fact, the ones who have a profile that say they are only looking for serious and looking for an age range younger than me, but contacts me first, are a bit trickier to communicate with. They could be genuine freebies and get offended if you bring up money. In contrast, a 21 year old hottie who has a profile that says she is looking to date men 18 to 80 years old, I will be asking how much she wants in the first minute of communication to weed out the ones looking for 2 juta+ suckers.
Absolutely! My pic is not me (fatter, uglier guy I found through google so there are no complaints when I turn up), the name I give them is not real, I have a completely bogus cover story about my business, and use a disposable SIM to communicate with them. When I leave town, if I don't want them to find me, I am a ghost.When checking into a hotel we have to produce a passport and when we book we must book under the name on the passport. How do we get the hotel to use a fictitious name if a woman wants to meet me at the hotel and asks for me at the front desk? Will most hotels accommodate that request?
Mahalo.
RL.
When checking into a hotel we have to produce a passport and when we book we must book under the name on the passport. How do we get the hotel to use a fictitious name if a woman wants to meet me at the hotel and asks for me at the front desk? Will most hotels accommodate that request?
I just meet them in the lobby. They never ask for me at the front desk, because, well, they can't. If they ask for your room number so they can ring up, just tell them the elevator requires a key and you have no choice but to meet them in the lobby.
Although I did stay in a hotel in the Philippines where a girl was running very late and I got sick of waiting in the lobby for her, I slipped the doorman $5 and told him a girl would be asking for my fake name. He basically said 'no problem sir, we understand your need for privacy' and he walked over and the front desk wrote down my fake name and an hour later the doorman brought her to my door. But I have never tried that in Jakarta.
FreebieFan
03-19-15, 10:06
When checking into a hotel we have to produce a passport and when we book we must book under the name on the passport. How do we get the hotel to use a fictitious name if a woman wants to meet me at the hotel and asks for me at the front desk? Will most hotels accommodate that request?
Mahalo.
RL.There is no law that states producing your passport is mandatory. Its just a common practice. Side step that part by showing a credit card, which you will generally need to do without giving up huge stacks of cash as "deposits".
Robert Long
03-19-15, 20:16
There is no law that states producing your passport is mandatory. Its just a common practice. Side step that part by showing a credit card, which you will generally need to do without giving up huge stacks of cash as "deposits".The last time I was in Jakarta 2011, I was told that all hotels must report to the government, all international visitors that check in to the hotel. Also they must have a copy of their passport in the event of a national security issue.
RL.
Fast Eddie 48
03-19-15, 21:59
There is no law that states producing your passport is mandatory. Its just a common practice. Side step that part by showing a credit card, which you will generally need to do without giving up huge stacks of cash as "deposits".To FreebieFan.
I have stay at over12 hotel Indonesia 3-5 star all of them ask for a copy of my US passport, either I paid by cash or CC they want arrival and departure info.
Fast eddie 48.
When checking into a hotel we have to produce a passport and when we book we must book under the name on the passport. How do we get the hotel to use a fictitious name if a woman wants to meet me at the hotel and asks for me at the front desk? Will most hotels accommodate that request?
Mahalo.
RL.Hi RL. The answer to this question as you posed it in the Thailand (Chiang Mai?) forum / thread is also applicable in Indonesia. If they ask for Pak Robert (pak = mister) in room abcd, that will be about all that is necessary for name recognition. FYI, many Indonesians have / go by one name only, so Pak Robert is more than enough identification.
This assumes that you are using your real first name! Best, TTG.
Yeah, I think I lucked out at Hotel Travel with my session- the place sounds like mostly for eye candy. And yes, I need to hit Kings Cross and Classic my next trip. I KNEW I would be back, as this is my new happy place, so in some ways, felt less pressure hit every venue than I normally would (not that I was TOO sheltered, LOL).
Colloseum is on the top of my list also, as is Alexis. Ah, the variety of Old Batavia.Great report Pschman. I'll be in Jakarta mid April for the first time and hope to retrace some of your steps. A bit old for the disco and X 30 something crowd but will give the rest my best effort.
Thanks again for the report.
Altered Ego
03-21-15, 20:46
Having booked my first trip to Jakarta, and having read back through the forum at least 20 pages (and also looked at the hotels thread), I have a few of questions which I am hoping knowlegeable members might be kind enough to help me with....Many thanks to LA Guy 5, Smoothy and HardHatmate. I wasn't able to check the forum for a few days, I can't believe you answered all of my questions so quickly.
I have now booked the Oakwood, but only for 5 nights as I am assuming I might then take a side trip (or if I am having a good time in Jakarta I can just extend).
At the risk of pushing my luck, a couple of additional things have occurred to me from reading recent posts:
1. In one of Smoothy's posts, he mentions ordering an outcall 'male vitality' massage. Are there any recommended outcall massage agencies who supply this type of massage for the area I am staying at, or if not, where would I need to look to find these (or should I just ask in the hotel)?
2. Secondly, CeeGee's post suggests using badoo / wechat / skout / tinder. Any idea what might be the likelihood of meeting girls who speak some English via these methods?
Thanks again to everyone for taking the time to reply, and just to repeat that if anybody would like to meet up for a beer, I will be in town from 4th April.
2. Secondly, CeeGee's post suggests using badoo / wechat / skout / tinder. Any idea what might be the likelihood of meeting girls who speak some English via these methods?Quite good. Many, if not most, of the women who use social media / datting apps have quite reasonable English.
Member #4716
03-22-15, 14:06
Varies widely. I try to stick to around 500 for short time when negotiating, don't always get that low, sometimes I can't be bothered haggling over the last 100, and if they paid their own taxi I try to cover that as well. Also if they had to travel a long way (I remember one that took the train in from Bogor) and made me happy I will throw in a bit extra. Negotiate hard and then pay extra delivers dividends in the friends of friends department. LT I aim for the 700 or 800 mark, but again depends on the girl, and if I can be bothered sticking to my guns. One girl got to my soft spot and I was giving her 1.2 juta for all nighters. She did everything, anal, rimming, but she seemed to have convinced herself that she wasn't whoring herself out, instead I was just a kind foreigner that was helping her raise her kid and we had a future together, my bunny boiler alarm went off and I stopped repeating her.
Don't get me wrong, I go through a lot of profiles, some girls are just trying it on and ask or 2 or 3 juta. Best deal I think I ever got was 2 girls at the same time who could only stay for 2 hours. They were repeats and only wanted 400 each for a threesome. I went to sleep with a smile that night.Ceegee,
Thanks for your reply. I have exchanged messages with two girls on IndoCupid. One girl, Chrieztians (the girl with the tattoo on her chest) wanted a laptop or a motorcycle, and thought my offer of 800,000 IDR was insultingly low. The other, Melanie, wants $150 USD (almost 2 million IDR, if I'm correct) for only 3 hours in my hotel room. I've haven't been to Indonesia yet, but I reckon this is too high?
Ceegee,
Thanks for your reply. I have exchanged messages with two girls on IndoCupid. One girl, Chrieztians (the girl with the tattoo on her chest) wanted a laptop or a motorcycle, and thought my offer of 800,000 IDR was insultingly low. The other, Melanie, wants $150 USD (almost 2 million IDR, if I'm correct) for only 3 hours in my hotel room. I've haven't been to Indonesia yet, but I reckon this is too high?In my opinion, the tattoo chick is worth about 500 k for all night (although I wouldn't even want her for free). Melanie is worth 1 to 1. 5 million for 3 hours depending on how well she services you. But if I was going to pay that much, I would prefer just going to BATS or CJs and chatting the girl up in person over a beer first.
Member #4537
03-22-15, 20:36
The other, Melanie, wants $150 USD (almost 2 million IDR, if I'm correct) for only 3 hours in my hotel room. I've haven't been to Indonesia yet, but I reckon this is too high?I recognize this one from CJ's.
Anyway, it's really competitive there (5 girls to every guy, so it's a buyers market) and if you asked her in person there around closing time I bet she would drop to 1. 300.000 (that's almost a hundred bucks). No reason to be overpaying. Try not to tell them you're still new to Indonesia as they'll take that as a sign to trick you for more money.
Mighty Spearsman
03-22-15, 23:39
Ceegee,
Thanks for your reply. I have exchanged messages with two girls on IndoCupid. One girl, Chrieztians (the girl with the tattoo on her chest) wanted a laptop or a motorcycle, and thought my offer of 800,000 IDR was insultingly low. The other, Melanie, wants $150 USD (almost 2 million IDR, if I'm correct) for only 3 hours in my hotel room. I've haven't been to Indonesia yet, but I reckon this is too high?Yes, both girls are too high. I think I recognize the tattoo girl, and if it's who I think it is, I'd stay away from her completely. The other girl, Melanie, looks promising, but her requested rate is too high. My take is that she's just trying to see how much she can get from a foreigner who might think he's getting a bargain in comparison with the rates back home in the US / UK / Australia etc. , and I'm sure she'll lower her money demands once you show her that you know the local rates. But Smoothy's advice is solid.
Good luck! I look forward to reading your trip reports.
Ceegee,
Thanks for your reply. I have exchanged messages with two girls on IndoCupid. One girl, Chrieztians (the girl with the tattoo on her chest) wanted a laptop or a motorcycle, and thought my offer of 800,000 IDR was insultingly low. The other, Melanie, wants $150 USD (almost 2 million IDR, if I'm correct) for only 3 hours in my hotel room. I've haven't been to Indonesia yet, but I reckon this is too high?You have some good responses here already from people that have been playing the game longer than I have.
This is a business transaction and the seller will try to get as much for their goods as they can. IMHO, both these girls are trying to rip you off and have you picked as a newbie. One wants a motorcycle? Seriously? I would be laughing all the way to the next profile. Especially with MS saying he recognises her and you should stay away.
I would state on your profile or tell the girls that you are a frequent traveler to Jakarta, and that you know the market pricing. Even if you don't.
Another tactic I use it to tell the girls I will pay extra for good service on top of the negotiated base rate. Need to keep them motivated, otherwise the bad ones will just starfish, try to leave early, and demand the negotiated amount. Always offer the hope of repeat business, it improves the service often.
Oh, another tip, every time they talk dollars, switch it back to rupiah. The rupiah has dropped so much, they know $100 in your home country is not very much. One girl I was talking to yesterday asked for $200. That is about 2.6 million rupiah now. At first I just told her that her price was crazy high and I was not interested. She came back and said she would negotiate. So I offered her Rp500.000 and she countered with Rp750.000, which is about US $58. She is not a stunner, but has a nice big set of titties that I am tempted to play with on my next trip and I will give her the Rp750.000 because she came down a lot and I don't want to argue over a few bucks anymore.
Another girl I negotiated with recently, sent me some stunning pics. So good I am worried they are fake. I offered my usual 500, she countered with something like 1.5 million, and we finally agreed on Rp900.000 for 2 shots. If the pics are real and the service is good, she will be worth every penny and I will repeat. If the pics are fake I will send her home with nothing as soon as I meet her.
So the price does vary widely, depends on the girl, where she comes from, how badly she needs money, if you are a repeat customer that she likes, and how much you can be bothered to negotiate over the last few bucks. Places like CJs / BATS are high end hotels and you should expect to pay more in them.
P.S. I'm happy to read that you did not patronize the girl who wanted 3 million for all night. Ridiculous!During my last trip to Jakarta (which was also my first time), I visited BATS one night. Met a 8. She quoted me $300 for ST. I looked at her and told her 1 million for the night and walked away. She probably still thinks I am cheap charlie. Hehe. But I am glad that I had perused this thread.
Earlier that night before reaching to BATS, I ended up at the Ritz Carlton lounge thinking that BATS is located there. Ended up chatting with the 2 girls who were working at that time. When asked what their recommendation would be for a club. The answer was CJ's. Their shift was ending in about an hour and I almost offered them to accompany me but the curiosity in me wanted to check out BATS so I held myself back. Later that night, ended up picking a cute one from BATS (after the $300 offer) only to find out that she was another star fish (yep rookie mistake). Kicked her out of the room in less than an hour after 1 shot and went to bed. The next day, I flew out and promised myself that I will return soon. Guess where I will stopping by in my next trip.
One thing I can never understand: After how many hours does ST become LT?
I visited BATS one night. Met a 8. She quoted me $300 for ST.
One thing I can never understand: After how many hours does ST become LT?$300 - wow that's Brix Singapore pricing. And with the rupiah at such a low rate, that's 3. 9 m rupiah for a ST.
Top shelf import girls in Alexis are half that!
Sure there are ladies out there that command this. But there not working in BATS I can guarantee you that.
Glad you stuck to your guns on this one.
My exp is ST is 2 hrs min and 3 hrs max, Usually 2 pops for me, depends on the girl of course and your digs and your host abilities.
LT is often until 8 am-ish, but some girls will hang all afternoon the next day if the hotel, mood, food is all good.
For me usually max 3 pops, 2 in the night and 1 in the morning.
Met Viet girl in Macau, and we trade chat info, and have chatting regularly, also meet up several times when I am back. Always very GFE, and never ask for money. I thought I hit th jackpot, real freebee! Well, she got tired Macau and go to Indo on "a friend"s tip. She say she now work some place where she only massage. Can't make enough money only enough to eat and rent and owe the people that bring her there $1,500 for her flight and job to get passport back to go home. Her visa up soon if she don't pay then she pays more to get it back.
Do you old hands think this story is real? Sound like she is in with very bad people. In person very sweet, dunno if she would be playing me so long to ask for so much. Its a lot but don't want her trapped either. In a year she never ask for anything except small gift (80) one time.
What would you do?
My exp is ST is 2 hrs min and 3 hrs max, Usually 2 pops for me, depends on the girl of course and your digs and your host abilities.While that's possible, I'm not so sure it's the norm. The norm for me (and I would think for most guys who have to wake up in the morning) is for the girl to be on her way about an hour after her arrival. Normally I take the girl to my place, joke around with her and take some pictures for a half hour or so, shower together (I never shower separately just in case the girl is not trustworthy to leave alone with my things), then either some more photos or directly to bed. Once in bed, the girl will immediately begin giving me a BJ to get me aroused, then we will screw for approximately 5 to 20 minutes. I then show the girl the door within 10 minutes of me cumming so I can get some sleep. The last thing I want is for the girl to hang out in my place after that. I can't even remember the last time I had "2 pops" for a short time. I have no desire to do that.
The old joke is "What is the definition of misery in Jakarta?" "When you have come and her taxi hasn't. ".
If I keep a girl long time (this is very rare and I would have to really like that girl), I will normally have her arrive at my place around 8 pm and stay until noon the next day. This will be a girl I already know from doing a short time with her in the past. I will never take a girl long time that I haven't already tested out as a short time girl. I only do it on the weekend, and will sleep until 7 pm prior to her arrival and take a viagra to ensure that I can enjoy my time with her. In between rounds, I have her give me a massage. The biggest drawback to a long time girl is that you pretty much always have to feed her while she is with you.
While that's possible, I'm not so sure it's the norm. The norm for me (and I would think for most guys who have to wake up in the morning) is for the girl to be on her way about an hour after her arrival. Normally I take the girl to my place, joke around with her and take some pictures for a half hour or so, shower together (I never shower separately just in case the girl is not trustworthy to leave alone with my things), then either some more photos or directly to bed. Once in bed, the girl will immediately begin giving me a BJ to get me aroused, then we will screw for approximately 5 to 20 minutes. I then show the girl the door within 10 minutes of me cumming so I can get some sleep. The last thing I want is for the girl to hang out in my place after that. I can't even remember the last time I had "2 pops" for a short time. I have no desire to do that.
The old joke is "What is the definition of misery in Jakarta?" "When you have come and her taxi hasn't. ".
If I keep a girl long time (this is very rare and I would have to really like that girl), I will normally have her arrive at my place around 8 pm and stay until noon the next day. This will be a girl I already know from doing a short time with her in the past. I will never take a girl long time that I haven't already tested out as a short time girl. I only do it on the weekend, and will sleep until 7 pm prior to her arrival and take a viagra to ensure that I can enjoy my time with her. In between rounds, I have her give me a massage. The biggest drawback to a long time girl is that you pretty much always have to feed her while she is with you.Hey Smoothy, It is also highly dependent on alcohol and cialis consumption, and also the time of the night and work commitments. And yes at times I am there just for a quickie and need to get my beauty sleep.
Having said all that, these days my rendezvous are generally daytime. For numerous reasons. So LT doesn't come up often these days in my line of mongering.
One things for sure. If you do 1 pop or 2 in the night, a morning pop is expected and virtually guaranteed from a LT companion.
a morning pop is expected and virtually guaranteed from a LT companion.I agree with that. Unless I am the one turning down morning sex, I let the girl know that if she doesn't have sex with me in the morning that I will give her short time money rather than long time. If they complain, I normally ask them if they have ever heard the phrase "no money, no honey". They always have. I tell them it works both ways, if they don't have sex with me then "no honey, no money".
On a recent trip to the provinces, meet a late 20-something cutie through badoo. One of those rare ones where the pictures do not do her justice. The profile pics portrayed maybe a 6, normal looking office girl. What turned up was more like an 8, maybe 8.5!
She was so keen to meet, I thought she was in it for the money. Nope, I almost lost her when I steered the conversation towards money. Had to do some back pedaling there. She just wanted the bule cock inside her, and she wants to meet again as soon as I go back. The sight of her tight hard body riding on top of me with her head thrown back and moaning deeply while she cums will stay with me for awhile.
BUT, and there is always a but, she was very tentative about giving me a BJ, was not even that keen on doggie style, by this time I had given up any idea of probing the back door to see if anal was on the table. Since she was a freebie, I had no pricing power and I imagine she would have immediately walked out the door if I grabbed the back of her head and shoved it down on my cock! Sometimes there is something to be said for paying up to get exactly what you want. But who does not like a freebie. Will I repeat? Yes, I am weak. Haha.
My exp is ST is 2 hrs min and 3 hrs max, Usually 2 pops for me, depends on the girl of course and your digs and your host abilities.
LT is often until 8 am-ish, but some girls will hang all afternoon the next day if the hotel, mood, food is all good.
For me usually max 3 pops, 2 in the night and 1 in the morning.Pretty much same for me HHM. I don't take cialis so I need a reasonable rest between rounds. Smoothy, you old charmer, since you live in Jakarta you have the girls on demand anytime you want.
If it has been a long time between trips to Jakarta for me, sometimes I am still like a kid in a candy store when I get off the airplane.
HHM. Thanks for the tip between ST & LT.
Smoothy. You brought up excellent points and its clear that you are speaking from your experiences. Most of my encounters have been hit-and-run (ST? Will follow your suggestion and get that LT checked off my list someday.
Ceegee - "A kid in the candy store" is an understatement. I am wondering if I should just relocate to Jakarta. That will be dream come true.
Hey Smoothy.
Who should I dial for "Male Vitality" Outcalls? It feels awkward, since I have not contributed much to this forum. At the same time this posts of yours have added yet one more item to my "to-do list".
BTW, I did RTFF the first 20 pages of the Jakarta forum. Perhaps I need to dig more?
As far as the "extra" price for sex at a place that gives an actual massage, you guys are giving them the same money as I give them. I frequent the local indonesian sex chat sites and they are paying the same. The price of the actual massage, then plus 400 to 600 k for full sex.
I do find though that if I call the outcall girls to come to my place who provide the "male vitality" massage, 2 hours for 200 k (250 k if you are in a hotel because they have to give the security guy 50 k), they want a bit more for full sex than the in house hotel massage girls want. Then again, they are usually better looking too since the service makes sure the girls are sexy. The hottest massage girl I ever had was from one of those services. Sometimes those girls won't settle for less than 800 k to a million for full sex. Their massages are far better than the ones you get from the hotel masseuse though. They focus on your ass and balls most of the oil massage. I really feel vitalized after those massages. I always make the guy who runs the male vitality massage service send me a photo of the girl via whatsapp before I agree to have her come to my apartment or hotel. I prefer that to using the masseuse from the hotel.
Hey Smoothy.
Who should I dial for "Male Vitality" Outcalls? +1.
I join my voice to Chuday in order to know more about the Male Vitality masseuses who are more beautiful than normal massage girls in Jakarta.
Sounds just like my thing!
I believe it's against the rules to post phone numbers on the forum.
Smoothy,
Sorry. Did not want to imply that hand me the digits over a silver platter. Am hoping you would share some pointers such as xyz area. Or call up listings and ask for "abc services. ".
I believe it's against the rules to post phone numbers on the forum.
Those are not "real" businesses. I don't have any idea how you could look them up. I have the phone numbers because random unknown people slip business cards under my apartment door almost every week. They sell "male vitality" massage and always promise that the girls are under 25 years old and good looking (not all of them are actually young and good looking, so you need to get them to send you a photo first). But many times the girls are quite nice. The girls will come your your place and the price is 200k for a 2 hour oil massage where they mainly massage your cock, balls, and ass, but they do give you a true full body massage. Most times they actually do give quite a good massage. Then at the end, they try to negotiate extra to get you off with a handjob, bj, or full sex. I'm normally quite excited by that time since they are usually quite expert at the art of sensual cock and ball massage taking you to the brink, but not getting you off yet. These "businesses" don't last long, so the phone numbers are rarely good for more than a year. It's usually an indo guy who knows a couple of girls who want to make some extra money who printed up some business cards at Blok M or somewhere similar and paid some young kids to slip the cards under people's doors. I find that the attractive girls will never come to visit until after 6pm, and usually even after 10pm, but they will gladly come between 10pm and 3am. And like typical indo girls, they are normally an hour or so late.
Fast Eddie 48
03-25-15, 02:04
Those are not "real" businesses. I don't have any idea how you could look them up. I have the phone numbers because random unknown people slip business cards under my apartment door almost every week. They sell "male vitality" massage and always promise that the girls are under 25 years old and good looking (not all of them are actually young and good looking, so you need to get them to send you a photo first). But many times the girls are quite nice. The girls will come your your place and the price is 200k for a 2 hour oil massage where they mainly massage your cock, balls, and ass, but they do give you a true full body massage. Most times they actually do give quite a good massage. Then at the end, they try to negotiate extra to get you off with a handjob, bj, or full sex. I'm normally quite excited by that time since they are usually quite expert at the art of sensual cock and ball massage taking you to the brink, but not getting you off yet. These "businesses" don't last long, so the phone numbers are rarely good for more than a year. It's usually an indo guy who knows a couple of girls who want to make some extra money who printed up some business cards at Blok M or somewhere similar and paid some young kids to slip the cards under people's doors. I find that the attractive girls will never come to visit until after 6pm, and usually even after 10pm, but they will gladly come between 10pm and 3am. And like typical indo girls, they are normally an hour or so late.To Smoothy.
I stay in many hotel in Jarkata and Bali I never have got any business card slip in the door at my hotel before, but in China and Thailand I get this all the time even hotel staff knock on my door ask me if I need company or massage, I like to go out and hunt for myself anyway is more fun.
Fast eddie 48.
On a recent trip to the provinces, meet a late 20-something cutie through badoo. One of those rare ones where the pictures do not do her justice. The profile pics portrayed maybe a 6, normal looking office girl. What turned up was more like an 8, maybe 8.5!
She was so keen to meet, I thought she was in it for the money. Nope, I almost lost her when I steered the conversation towards money. Had to do some back pedaling there. She just wanted the bule cock inside her, and she wants to meet again as soon as I go back. The sight of her tight hard body riding on top of me with her head thrown back and moaning deeply while she cums will stay with me for awhile.
BUT, and there is always a but, she was very tentative about giving me a BJ, was not even that keen on doggie style, by this time I had given up any idea of probing the back door to see if anal was on the table. Since she was a freebie, I had no pricing power and I imagine she would have immediately walked out the door if I grabbed the back of her head and shoved it down on my cock! Sometimes there is something to be said for paying up to get exactly what you want. But who does not like a freebie. Will I repeat? Yes, I am weak. Haha.This story puts Indonesia near the top of my list for my next trip! I've found that chances are actually pretty good to find freebies in SE Asia, be it PI, Thailand, or Vietnam. Did you just do normal flirting / chatting before you met up?
Thank you Smoothy for taking the trouble to explain "male vitality" massage. Folks such as yourself make the forum and you are one lucky guy.
Cheers,
Chuday.
Met Viet girl in Macau, and we trade chat info, and have chatting regularly, also meet up several times when I am back. Always very GFE, and never ask for money. I thought I hit th jackpot, real freebee! Well, she got tired Macau and go to Indo on "a friend"s tip. She say she now work some place where she only massage. Can't make enough money only enough to eat and rent and owe the people that bring her there $1,500 for her flight and job to get passport back to go home. Her visa up soon if she don't pay then she pays more to get it back.
Do you old hands think this story is real? Sound like she is in with very bad people. In person very sweet, dunno if she would be playing me so long to ask for so much. Its a lot but don't want her trapped either. In a year she never ask for anything except small gift (80) one time.
What would you do?Hmm. This sounds a bit like what I hear Thai girls doing, where there is always a sick family member. But why not give the sick family member story? I would think that'd be a higher chance of success? So maybe this one is real. And $1500 is a lot to ask for!
Robert Long
03-25-15, 02:34
Hmm. This sounds a bit like what I hear Thai girls doing, where there is always a sick family member. But why not give the sick family member story? I would think that'd be a higher chance of success? So maybe this one is real. And $1500 is a lot to ask for!I would stay as far away from this as possible. Look, they know that what's between their legs can get them anything they want. And it can. I amazes me how many guys full in love with these WG's and Mary them and feed them money from afar.
If she is for real, and I seriously doubt that, then you come and take care of her and get her out of Jakarta. If she was in Macau then chances are she a WG, being from VN to begin with and then I can't understand why she would leave Macau. That big money. I have a friend that goes there a lot and he pays $250.00 for an hour with a pick from the line up.
There is to many fish in the sea to throw money at something like that. Good luck.
RL.
What turned up was more like an 8, maybe 8.5!Any pictures? I'm curious what an 8. 5 in Indonesia looks like.
Mighty Spearsman
03-25-15, 03:38
Met Viet girl in Macau, and we trade chat info, and have chatting regularly, also meet up several times when I am back. Always very GFE, and never ask for money. I thought I hit the jackpot, real freebee! Well, she got tired Macau and go to Indo on "a friend"s tip. She say she now work some place where she only massage. Can't make enough money only enough to eat and rent and owe the people that bring her there $1,500 for her flight and job to get passport back to go home. Her visa up soon if she don't pay then she pays more to get it back.
Do you old hands think this story is real? Sound like she is in with very bad people. In person very sweet, dunno if she would be playing me so long to ask for so much. Its a lot but don't want her trapped either. In a year she never ask for anything except small gift (80) one time.
What would you do?Yes, it's a scam, don't believe any of it. $1,500 for a flight from Macau to Indonesia? During this time of year, the fare should be to $300 to $500 round-trip Hong-Kong-Jakarta depending on the airline (plus the ferry fare from Macau to Hong Kong). In fact, one can buy a round-trip ticket from Hong Kong to New York for around $800-900.
Your last paragraph describes one modus operandi for these girls - don't ask for any money at first, then go for a big hit.
I must also say that this is a strange topic for someone who has written only one post. Why haven't you written anything about your exploits in the past?
This story puts Indonesia near the top of my list for my next trip! I've found that chances are actually pretty good to find freebies in SE Asia, be it PI, Thailand, or Vietnam. Did you just do normal flirting / chatting before you met up?You know what they say about something that seems to good to be true. That has been at the back of my mind ever since I met her. I tried to arrange a repeat this morning and she asked me for 1 million rupiah. Not sure if she is playing a long game, or really has a need for some quick cash. She has it in the looks department, but not in the service level provided, so I won't repeat at that price.
Any pictures? I'm curious what an 8. 5 in Indonesia looks like.I don't do pics. Too much information embedded in them these days, and my situation does not cater for creating evidence of these activities.
Yes, it's a scam, don't believe any of it. $1,500 for a flight from Macau to Indonesia? During this time of year, the fare should be to $300 to $500 round-trip Hong-Kong-Jakarta depending on the airline (plus the ferry fare from Macau to Hong Kong). In fact, one can buy a round-trip ticket from Hong Kong to New York for around $800-900.
Your last paragraph describes one modus operandi for these girls - don't ask for any money at first, then go for a big hit.
I must also say that this is a strange topic for someone who has written only one post. Why haven't you written anything about your exploits in the past?I post under different name before.
She say it for flight from Viet, rent, and find job. Sound like she got trick? She tell me she do Macau too long and don't like there anymore, but she make big mistake go to Indo.
You think she play this game this long? We meet over one year ago.
I tried to arrange a repeat this morning and she asked me for 1 million rupiah. Not sure if she is playing a long game, or really has a need for some quick cash.Here's what most likely happened. She is not a "pro" so she did not demand money from you the first time, expecting that you would give her money anyway when it was all said and done. Since she's fairly new to the game, she was not comfortable discussing money and didn't demand money when you didn't give it. She then went home crying to her friends that you didn't give her money. They told her that most guys will give money without asking, but since you did not, she has to demand money up front. So she is now demanding money up front.
That kind of thing used to happen to me when I was new in Jakarta. I was too naive to realize that even when these girls don't demand money, they still actually desperately need it. I would even ask them "do you need money"? And they wouldn't say anything and would seem uncomfortable with the question, so I wouldn't give it to them. After I lived in Jakarta longer and got to know these girl's situations, those girls absolutely needed that money. Hell, back then it was only 300k. Looking back on my youth, I feel bad to have not given the "nicer" girls money when they left. You were lucky to find one these days. They used to be the norm in Indonesia, but now the norm is for the girls to be hard core and pretty much always demand money up front.
Here's what most likely happened. She is not a "pro" so she did not demand money from you the first time, expecting that you would give her money anyway when it was all said and done. Since she's fairly new to the game, she was not comfortable discussing money and didn't demand money when you didn't give it. Yeah, since my last post I have been wondering if she was new to the game. That would certainly match some of her mannerisms and service level. The thing that totally threw me off was that I specifically asked her up front if she wanted money, she said no, got offended and said she was not like that. So I put my wallet away and just enjoyed.
I have been with women in Jakarta who work normal office jobs, have no interest in being paid and find it quite offensive when money is offered. This one had me convinced she was one of them. Although she is talking to me again on whatsapp this morning, so I might have one more go, I am such a glutton for punishment.
I specifically asked her up front if she wanted money, she said no, got offended and said she was not like that. Then it's her own fault. Given that she just asked you for a million rupiah, she obviously does want money. It sounds like she's trying to position herself for big money.
Then it's her own fault. Given that she just asked you for a million rupiah, she obviously does want money. It sounds like she's trying to position herself for big money.I said I was weak. I just did her again and gave her 1 juta. I figured it averaged out at the 500 k I like to pay haha. I am a bit intrigued with trying to figure out this ones story. She is already telling me by messenger that she wants to see me again and won't ask for money again, she just had a short term need for some cash and she really is not that kind of girl. She is from a small town, has never lived in Jakarta so maybe she is telling the truth and I am just jaded. Or maybe she was just positioning herself for big money and I will get bored with her soon and never see her again.
Hi all,
New to this forum, just found it. I had some time in Indonesia last October so will post about a couple of my adventures.
Arrived in Jakarta on a Thursday and a mate took me to bats on the first night. To be honest not really my scene, but anyway hurled a few drinks down and got chatting to a nice enough girl called Ina. She spoke good English. I bought her 2 Long Island Ice tea's. She can drink.
Anyway she asked if I was after some action and said she would give me great service for 2 million. I politely excused myself and we headed to Blok M.
Arrived at Top Gun and this was busy, more casual, exactly what I was after. Anyway me and my 2 mates were enjoying ourselves, horsing around with some girls etc and then Ina from Bats showed up. She said Hello, took up my offer for a drink and got a bit close. Time slipped by, it was about 3 am and she said lets go to your hotel, I said not on those rates to which she replied, no those are Bats rates, I like you, you have bought me several drinks, so 800 for the night.
Being my first night and smitten by all the young flesh on offer I agreed. Anyway we went outside and she said she would drive, I said wtf you have a car? And you have been drinking but she said no problem, so off we go in a silver Suzuki to the hotel.
In the room, she strips me down and has a play before we hit the shower, some sensual soaping up then she sat on the toilet seat and blew me for a while, I then take her from the back as she leans on the handbasin, trim body all firm, shaven pussy with a hint of stubble, I was tempted to offer my razor. Anyway I pumped vigorously for a couple more minutes and had a quick unload. We crashed out and about 9 am the next morning I slipped it in again and we had a more leisurely session.
After some coffee she excused herself and left. We agreed to meet again. My friend later told me that in her younger days she was a dancer at Mybar.
Anyway, that was my first for that Jakarta trip. Will post some more later.
Master Diver II
03-26-15, 10:31
I said I was weak. I just did her again and gave her 1 juta. I figured it averaged out at the 500 k I like to pay haha. I am a bit intrigued with trying to figure out this ones story. She is already telling me by messenger that she wants to see me again and won't ask for money again, she just had a short term need for some cash and she really is not that kind of girl. She is from a small town, has never lived in Jakarta so maybe she is telling the truth and I am just jaded. Or maybe she was just positioning herself for big money and I will get bored with her soon and never see her again.Sounds like an interesting story. I only do dating sites nowadays and had someone over last week somewhat similar to your girl. She wasn't keen to eat dinner and only seemed keen to get back to the room. No mention of money, and she was definitely in it for the enjoyment. Took our time and the only clue came when I asked if she need some money for the taxi. She said yes, but didn't ask for anything in particular. I just put 600 k in her bag which she didn't look at or count in my presence and walked her over to catch an express taxi. Mind you, that was the only one I gave money to. One picked me up in her BMW, and the other in her Honda Jazz. Both were quite uninterested in money, and still on BBM with me almost on a daily basis. I just hope I can maintain the balance because these women are so damned easy to fall in love with if you're not careful.
Incidentally thank you Menteng and JAD. I thoroughly enjoyed our very long conversation. I must be getting old if I spent more than six hours meeting you guys, foregoing a potential "victim" that was available during that time. It's so rare to meet one of my kind mentors and the man who took me all over Jakarta when I was green. Your time was much appreciated.
MD II.
One picked me up in her BMW, and the other in her Honda Jazz. May I ask how old these women were? Are these tante girang?
During my last trip to Jakarta (which was also my first time), I visited BATS one night. Met a 8. She quoted me $300 for ST. I looked at her and told her 1 million for the night and walked away. She probably still thinks I am cheap charlie. Hehe. But I am glad that I had perused this thread.
Earlier that night before reaching to BATS, I ended up at the Ritz Carlton lounge thinking that BATS is located there. Ended up chatting with the 2 girls who were working at that time. When asked what their recommendation would be for a club. The answer was CJ's. Their shift was ending in about an hour and I almost offered them to accompany me but the curiosity in me wanted to check out BATS so I held myself back. Later that night, ended up picking a cute one from BATS (after the $300 offer) only to find out that she was another star fish (yep rookie mistake). Kicked her out of the room in less than an hour after 1 shot and went to bed. The next day, I flew out and promised myself that I will return soon. Guess where I will stopping by in my next trip.
One thing I can never understand: After how many hours does ST become LT?I go so often to BATS that most of the staff and the regular girls know me by face. When someone quotes a ridiculous price, I just laugh and move on.
The absolute maximum I have paid at BATS is 1. 5 juta and this to a smoking hot girl who was a university student at that time. I know because she has so many pics of her graduation later on whatsapp. But now, you do see her a lot more at BATS.
I am never the price police but at USD 300 is more than what is quoted at Brix, Singapore (as someone mentioned).
In the BATS girl's opinion, ST is one time, regardless of the time. LT is min 2 and rest depends on the chemistry. I like them to stay with me and it's usually LT for me. Normally, 800 K to 1 million is the median price to stay till morning. But I normally pick them after 1. I reach there early and only go with girls who are there from the time I arrive.
Cheers,
McM.
I am never the price police but at USD 300 is more than what is quoted at Brix, Singapore (as someone mentioned).I think the normal price at Bats for one of the nicer girls is 1. 5 million (the absolute stunners may want more) while the normal price at Brix is 300 sing dollars. Although I was at Brix a few years ago, and Serlyana (many forum members may likely know her from Jakarta and Bali) quoted my friend $700 usd. The sad thing is he wanted to pay her that much because he thought she was the hottest indo girl he had seen in his life. I had shagged her a few years earlier in Jakarta after pulling her out of CJs for 700,000 rupiah. But that was prior to her boob job. After the boob job, she became quite stunning and her price did go up drastically. I will say that as hot as she was at that time, she would have been worth 300 usd from Bats. But 700 usd? Come on.
There is no set price for girls at any of these places. When you get an absolute stunner, her price is going to be higher.
Some questions about the local transportation and usual rates for negotiations as not to be rip off.
I know most mongers usually take the meter taxi such as bluebird for the hassle free trip. Also the Transjakarta bus line but they run limited routes so may not be along the routes that will get me to some places I like to see or do but at least they have a fixed price.
What is the proper prices for Ojek- moto taxi or the Bajak- tuk tuks as they seem useful for shorted trips? Also wondering if they are safe to use or just true rip offs to the foreigners?
Plan on doing some sights and travel around between monger sites using the ojeks or Bajaks if they are worth using.
I plan on staying in the Mangga Besar area in North Jakarta.
So using the Mangga Besar as starting point,
What should be the correct rates to.
1) Mangga Dua.
2) king Cross Spa.
3) Gambir station.
4) Classic hotel spa
5) Alexis
Thanks
Member #4537
03-29-15, 10:16
Plan on doing some sights and travel around between monger sites using the ojeks or Bajaks if they are worth using.
I plan on staying in the Mangga Besar area in North Jakarta.
What should be the correct rates to.
1) Mangga Dua.
2) king Cross Spa.
3) Gambir station.I prefer using taxis these days (with meter) as I can't be bothered negotiating with the ojeks, but for reference here is what I pay using ojek from Gajah Mada (close to Mangga Besar):
Mangga Dua: 25/30.
King Cross: 50 (though always went there at night only when the traffic is calm. Before 7 PM I bet they would ask more).
Gambir Station: 30.
What is the proper prices for Ojek- moto taxi
Also wondering if they are safe to use or just true rip offs to the foreigners?
Plan on doing some sights and travel around between monger sites using the ojeks or Bajaks if they are worth using.
I plan on staying in the Mangga Besar area in North Jakarta.
So using the Mangga Besar as starting point,
What should be the correct rates to.
1) Mangga Dua.
2) king Cross Spa.
3) Gambir station.
4) Classic hotel spa
5) Alexis
ThanksOthers may find different experiences, but I generally pay the ojek driver what I would pay a bluebird taxi (on a good traffic day), which you seem familiar. The benefit is you get there in half the time, sometimes even less.
I haven't used an Ojek for the areas you describe, but I think;.
Kings Cross 10-15 k.
Mangga Dua no more than 15 k-25 k.
Gambir, maybe 20-30 k.
Classic is before Gambir but close, so 15-25 k.
Alexis, I wouldn't take an Ojek. For this you might consider a taxi, depending on flooding around the time you are here. Its a tollroad for part of it, and I think better by taxi, but others may have a different opinion. ?
Unlike a bluebird, the time of the day, the demand on the Ojek driver, your negotiation skills. All come into play with the price.
AND something to consider, I have had many an Ojek driver offer to wait whilst you do the deed. They charge a tad more, but hey why not. I once paid 60 k for an Ojek to from Gran Indo Fortune behind LeMeridian and 2 hrs inside and a return trip back to Gran Indo. The truly amazing thing is, after 3 yrs, whenever I see him he asks if I want Ojek to Fortune. How do they remember?
I don't pay for Ojeks up north. So I couldn't really be sure of these prices, but my recent experience is an ojek from BlokM to Maliboro on NYE and paid 60 k. BlokM to Kemang paid 20 k.
I know a girl who pays 500 k a month for an Ojek driver to take her to and from work everyday. From Grogol to Sudirman.
Remember, if its a decent distance negotiate beforehand, otherwise if its under 10 mins, 10 k-20 k works well.
I've been on this forum for over 10 years and nobody has discussed using Ojeks until just this past month. What's up with that? My guess is some people who normally spend all their time in Thailand or the Philippines are wanting to try a new country. They use motorbikes in LOS and the PI, so they think it's the same in Indonesia. Jakarta is not the same as Philippines or Thailand. Motorbikes are great in those places, but I wouldn't recommend them in Jakarta. An Ojek is no cheaper than a taxi and the only time I'd even consider an Ojek in Jakarta is during rush hour traffic. But for mongering, there is no reason to be traveling during rush hour traffic. A true monger is sleeping at that time. When I first came to Jakarta, I rode an ojek and the idiot driver crashed into a car and I went flying, so I never take them anymore. Whenever you see a girl with scarred up legs (and you see them often), it's because of her riding on ojeks and the ojeks having accidents.
Member #4537
03-29-15, 18:20
But for mongering, there is no reason to be traveling during rush hour traffic. A true monger is sleeping at that time.Sometimes though an ojek makes things quicker as they cut through traffic in ways a taxi can't.
I wake up around 2 PM, head to one of the Kota places by 3 PM then by 5 PM already back home and sleeping until 9 PM when I head for my second shot.
Haggis Man
03-29-15, 19:30
If price is of interest most of these places are well connected by the Kopaja bus, for me never had a problem regarding theft and for 3000 where you can get off where required it does the job also for other routes microlets are on hand.
Robert Long
03-29-15, 20:15
Some questions about the local transportation and usual rates for negotiations as not to be rip off.
I know most mongers usually take the meter taxi such as bluebird for the hassle free trip. Also the Transjakarta bus line but they run limited routes so may not be along the routes that will get me to some places I like to see or do but at least they have a fixed price.
What is the proper prices for Ojek- moto taxi or the Bajak- tuk tuks as they seem useful for shorted trips? Also wondering if they are safe to use or just true rip offs to the foreigners?
Plan on doing some sights and travel around between monger sites using the ojeks or Bajaks if they are worth using.
I plan on staying in the Mangga Besar area in North Jakarta.
So using the Mangga Besar as starting point,
What should be the correct rates to.
1) Mangga Dua.
2) king Cross Spa.
3) Gambir station.
4) Classic hotel spa
5) Alexis
ThanksSafety should be everyone's concern when in Jakarta or BKK. I have heard that the Ojeks in BKK are all meth heads and I assume the same in Jakarta. And what about the air and the heat? No way. Give me a good secure Taxi any day. WE had an Ojek slam into the side of a Taxi we were in in Jakarta. We had to flag another Taxi because the driver had to haggle with the Ojek driver over repairs. Both were hurt on the Ojek. We were untouched.
RL.
Member #4410
03-29-15, 21:54
I've been on this forum for over 10 years and nobody has discussed using Ojeks until just this past month. What's up with that? My guess is some people who normally spend all their time in Thailand or the Philippines are wanting to try a new country. They use motorbikes in LOS and the PI, so they think it's the same in Indonesia. Jakarta is not the same as Philippines or Thailand. Motorbikes are great in those places, but I wouldn't recommend them in Jakarta. An Ojek is no cheaper than a taxi and the only time I'd even consider an Ojek in Jakarta is during rush hour traffic. But for mongering, there is no reason to be traveling during rush hour traffic. A true monger is sleeping at that time. When I first came to Jakarta, I rode an ojek and the idiot driver crashed into a car and I went flying, so I never take them anymore. Whenever you see a girl with scarred up legs (and you see them often), it's because of her riding on ojeks and the ojeks having accidents.The behaviour of motorcyclists on the Jakarta roads is the reason they are starting to close off a number of roads for motorcycles. The way most of the motorcyclists squeeze between the other road users, thereby forcing them to brake because of the Indonesian "right of way rule" is contributing to the traffic jams. THey see no problem with this behaviour, never having had a driving education (there are no driving exams in Indonesia; you buy your licence and ask the nearest policeman to approve it). In quieter cities I have occasionally taken ojeks. In Jakarta I wouldn't dream of it.
Hung Man 1808
03-30-15, 06:44
Show me a woman in Indonesia without scars on her legs and you are showing a woman who doesn't Ojek. There aren't many of them.
Ojeks can be handy. In these circumstances:
- When the traffic is guaranteed to be gridlocked from start to destination.
- When it is a short distance and you need to walk (too short or awkward route for a taxi).
- When it isn't going to pour rain or isn't clear skies (I. E. You can see blue through the smog, meaning damn hot).
- When how you look or smell isn't important when you reach your destination.
The traffic level is especially important. You *do not* want to give the Ojek a chance to get up speed. One time I got an Ojek in Bali, late at night. No traffic, open road, just been raining, no helmet. Casual ride down the road turned into something resembling qualifying for Moto GP. Never again. Rides since require bumper to bumper traffic all the way to impede speed.
You could also try a Bajah. I probably spelt that wrong, and if not forum autocorrect probably will! Those 3 wheel noise machines couldn't get speed up when trying on a steep downhill run. But they can't get through traffic like an Ojek. Ideal for short runs or carrying things however.
If a regular, finding a reliable Ojek or Bajah for your daily run can also work out just fine.
All other times. Taxi. Even the Transjakarta has deteriorated over the years. In recent years it has taken longer to get *on* the damn bus than the journey north to south would have taken in a taxi.
Even the Transjakarta has deteriorated over the years. In recent years it has taken longer to get *on* the damn bus than the journey north to south would have taken in a taxi.Two or three years ago I used the Transjakarta buses a fair amount so as to negotiate around the traffic jams. But I got sick of using those buses around the time I honest to god had to on one ride open an umbrella to keep the rain that was pouring through the roof off of me. There now are some newer buses, but I suspect there are still some running that are "umbrella worthy. " And all this on a bus system that is only about eleven years old (actually eight or nine at the time of the umbrella incident).
I suppose I like extremes in that since getting tired of the Transjakarta buses I now often use Silver Bird taxis to make waiting in the traffic jams less aggravating (and no umbrellas are needed).
Hung Man 1808
03-30-15, 13:23
But I got sick of using those buses around the time I honest to god had to on one ride open an umbrella to keep the rain that was pouring through the roof off of me.About 5 years ago I can recall hanging onto the rails holding the hand straps and wondering why it moved so much. The answer came a bit further down the bus: ONE bolt holding the lot onto the roof. I wonder how many more hours it held.
8 or 9 years ago the way to travel was for the crazy bule to get the Transjakarta up Sudirman and beat the taxis / private cars others travelled in. A relatively comfortable ride too as not many Indonesians wanted to use the bus due to the outrageously high charge of 3,000 rupiah. I guess that doesn't look so expensive now judging by the crowds.
Another favourite anecdote: 4 or 5 years ago someone decided to concrete over the asphalt in the busway lanes. Much delay and chaos results due to the buses needing to leave the lane and join normal traffic then get back in the lane after the roadworks. Except no steel reinforcement seemed to be added to the concrete overlay. Guess what they were doing again seemingly six months later? :)
Oh why not, here's another one: I was told the reason the original Transjakarta buses (or should I say, the older ones still running?) had doors on either side was due to them being imported from another country's system. Grand launch occurs, bus pulls up to the station to pick up the VIPs. With the door on the wrong side of bus. Busses imported from a "keep right" kind of country. Off to the panel works they go!
Some on here could probably verify if that story is true, but either way it pretty much sums up the general attention to detail and planning put to use in the country!
Master Diver II
03-30-15, 14:41
May I ask how old these women were? Are these tante girang?As I was telling Menteng, my age range seems to have widened drastically of late. There are some ladies in their forties who are in great shape and kept themselves well. However in this case, one was 42 and the other 28; one divorced, and the other still single. There's a plethora of choice, even with the much heavier competition on the dating sites over the last couple of years. Just looked at my whatsapp and BB (I keep a tab on the ages next to the names in my contact list) and the range is from 21 to 45; oh and also whether they're married or not. This city is crazy: I'm sitting in KL trying to figure out another excuse to head back there.
MD II.
Fast Eddie 48
04-01-15, 21:16
Others may find different experiences, but I generally pay the ojek driver what I would pay a bluebird taxi (on a good traffic day), which you seem familiar. The benefit is you get there in half the time, sometimes even less.
I haven't used an Ojek for the areas you describe, but I think;.
Kings Cross 10-15 k.
Mangga Dua no more than 15 k-25 k.
Gambir, maybe 20-30 k.
Classic is before Gambir but close, so 15-25 k.
Alexis, I wouldn't take an Ojek. For this you might consider a taxi, depending on flooding around the time you are here. Its a tollroad for part of it, and I think better by taxi, but others may have a different opinion. ?
Unlike a bluebird, the time of the day, the demand on the Ojek driver, your negotiation skills. All come into play with the price.
AND something to consider, I have had many an Ojek driver offer to wait whilst you do the deed. They charge a tad more, but hey why not. I once paid 60 k for an Ojek to from Gran Indo Fortune behind LeMeridian and 2 hrs inside and a return trip back to Gran Indo. The truly amazing thing is, after 3 yrs, whenever I see him he asks if I want Ojek to Fortune. How do they remember?
I don't pay for Ojeks up north. So I couldn't really be sure of these prices, but my recent experience is an ojek from BlokM to Maliboro on NYE and paid 60 k. BlokM to Kemang paid 20 k.
I know a girl who pays 500 k a month for an Ojek driver to take her to and from work everyday. From Grogol to Sudirman.
Remember, if its a decent distance negotiate beforehand, otherwise if its under 10 mins, 10 k-20 k works well.To Hard Hat.
No way Mangar Besar to King cross in Kelapa Gading is only 15 k,I took a meter taxi from Lokasari plaza to King cross around 6 pm it take about 40 min a lot of traffic cost is over 50 k,I take ojek once in Jakarta never again the ride is too rough for me.
Fast eddie 48.
To Hard Hat.
No way Mangar Besar to King cross in Kelapa Gading is only 15 k,I took a meter taxi from Lokasari plaza to King cross around 6 pm it take about 40 min a lot of traffic cost is over 50 k,I take ojek once in Jakarta never again the ride is too rough for me.
Fast eddie 48.Your probably right, Kelapa Gading is further than Mangga Besar. Probably more like 20-25 k if I re-think it.
But at 10 pm at night it should be no more than 10 mins on a ojek. For that I wouldn't pay more than 25 k.
Again, supply and demand. The time of the night. Your negotiation skills etc all come into play.
Member #4537
04-02-15, 11:23
Your probably right, Kelapa Gading is further than Mangga Besar. Probably more like 20-25 k if I re-think it.
But at 10 pm at night it should be no more than 10 mins on a ojek. For that I wouldn't pay more than 25 k.
Again, supply and demand. The time of the night. Your negotiation skills etc all come into play.It's impossible to find an ojek or taxi that will take you from King's Cross Kelapa Gading to Mangga Besar area at night for 25 k.
By the way. Coming from someone who actually mongers there back and forth from Mangga Besar on an almost daily basis for years, not what I think it should be or what I've read somewhere.
I am trying to visit Jakarta after about 4 years. I was a regular traveller before and has visited TC which was situated at Lokasari. One of the later visits I noticed that was closed down. TC was a nice place to hang around the opening time around 1. 00 pm as there were nice looking girls. Those who have visited there know what I mean. Does anyone know whether it has re-opened in another location or anything similar is currently operating. Appreciate if you can share any information.
Fast Eddie 48
04-02-15, 21:14
I am trying to visit Jakarta after about 4 years. I was a regular traveller before and has visited TC which was situated at Lokasari. One of the later visits I noticed that was closed down. TC was a nice place to hang around the opening time around 1. 00 pm as there were nice looking girls. Those who have visited there know what I mean. Does anyone know whether it has re-opened in another location or anything similar is currently operating. Appreciate if you can share any information.To Pancha.
TC have been closed for a long time you should try Millie disco for late night pick up for freelancer, I never like TC the girl there is just too young for my taste and now the Stadium is closed also but there is so many other place you can get action in the area.
Fast eddie 48.
Fast Eddie 48
04-02-15, 21:17
Your probably right, Kelapa Gading is further than Mangga Besar. Probably more like 20-25 k if I re-think it.
But at 10 pm at night it should be no more than 10 mins on a ojek. For that I wouldn't pay more than 25 k.
Again, supply and demand. The time of the night. Your negotiation skills etc all come into play.To Hard hat.
You better re-think again even with no traffic it will take a taxi about 30 min from Lokasari plaza to King cross, I took this trip just a few month ago I know how long it take.
Fast eddie 48.
Oh why not, here's another one: I was told the reason the original Transjakarta buses (or should I say, the older ones still running?) had doors on either side was due to them being imported from another country's system.
Some on here could probably verify if that story is true, A nice story but alas, like the story that the Rio De Janeiro suburb of Brooklyn got its name because the subway trains used to service the route were bought second-hand from New York or that Jalan Malioboro in Yogya was named after a Marlboro billboard that was erected on the street, it is not true.
The Transjakarta buses (at least on Corridor 1) pick up passengers at stops in the middle of the street hence the right-hand doors but deposit and embark passengers on kerb-side platforms at the Kota and Blok M terminals hence the left-hand side doors.
The original Corridor 1 service was a Godsend to hobbyists who split their game between Blok M and Kota, it's almost like it was designed with us in mind. It used to be a great joy to whizz up and down the Thamrin / Sudirman axis during rush-hour but with the endless annual renovations (pointed out by Hung Man) and now the MRT construction this is no longer the case. As to the other corridors due to the fact that most of them don't operate on 100 percent exclusive lanes there is no real advantage and the standard of maintenance on the buses is appalling. Quite a number of them are LPG-fuelled and I remember reading somewhere that one could visualise a scenario where a bus stuck in rush hour traffic starts leaking gas, some bloke on a motorcycle next to it decides to light a cigarette, then whoosh! Doesn't bear thinking about.
Ojeks are handy for emergencies or when you simply need to get somewhere at a certain time (but why bother? The person you are meeting won't be on time) but relying on them as transport would not be recommended. The real solution is just accept there will be traffic with a Zen-like patience, get a good e-reader and sit back and relax, what awaits you at the end of your journey hopefully will wash away all stress.
Medellin Kuya
04-03-15, 03:20
Greetings ISG,
Planning a trip to Jakarta and was looking for opinions on my info. Trying to get a feel for the lay of the land in regards to my nightlife choices.
I heard a lot of clubs have closed in the past year or so. So far this is the list I have gathered from online sources.
Illigals / Immigrant / CJ's / Bats / Golden Crown / Mille's / Sydney 2000 / Exotis / Blowfish / Dragonfly / X2 / Prive / Domain / Classic Hotel (Terminal) / 999 / UMBRA / Alexis / Venue / SCBD (Nebula / Fable / Lucy's / Empirica).
My tastes are quite varied and I would like to sample a little of everything Jakarta has to offer. Am I missing any club or bar of note?
What is your personal favorite from the list?
All info and recommendations are much appreciated.
Cheers
Medellin Kuya
04-03-15, 05:15
I do not think I have ever been to any clubs like what is described in and. Jakarta. I imagine an initial shock and awe for the first hour. I am not into techno, house, or anything like that so I will just have to tolerate the music as best I can. Woman come before music preference.
Assuming, I wanted to get a freebie from one of these type clubs, what is the best strategy for picking up a young Indo girl on E from one of these clubs?
Thanks in advance.
Greetings ISG,
Planning a trip to Jakarta and was looking for opinions on my info. Trying to get a feel for the lay of the land in regards to my nightlife choices.
I heard a lot of clubs have closed in the past year or so. So far this is the list I have gathered from online sources.
Illigals / Immigrant / CJ's / Bats / Golden Crown / Mille's / Sydney 2000 / Exotis / Blowfish / Dragonfly / X2 / Prive / Domain / Classic Hotel (Terminal) / 999 / UMBRA / Alexis / Venue / SCBD (Nebula / Fable / Lucy's / Empirica).
My tastes are quite varied and I would like to sample a little of everything Jakarta has to offer. Am I missing any club or bar of note?
What is your personal favorite from the list?
All info and recommendations are much appreciated.
CheersAlthough I note you state your tastes are quite varied, it is difficult to give recommendations without knowing more about what you like. For example, in other locales which places do you like to frequent?
Having said that, it seems you have missed the Blok M bars like Top Gun and D's Place, the Maribaya Bar (or whatever it is called) at the Melawai Hotel (also in Block M), and the Penjay Bars in Kota, such as Sari Ayu and LA Bar (there are a number of such bars in the Komplek Indah Kota on Jalan Pengaran Jayakarta (may be off on some of the spelling). But whether you would enjoy Komplek Indah Kota in particular depends on how flexible you really are (e.g., very little English spoken there but still possible to have fun if you don't speak Indonesian).
I would also add Malioboro towards the top of the list, and you might want to consider Hotel Travel, although the service level there can be problematic.
Greetings ISG,
Planning a trip to Jakarta and was looking for opinions on my info. Trying to get a feel for the lay of the land in regards to my nightlife choices.
I heard a lot of clubs have closed in the past year or so. So far this is the list I have gathered from online sources.
Illigals / Immigrant / CJ's / Bats / Golden Crown / Mille's / Sydney 2000 / Exotis / Blowfish / Dragonfly / X2 / Prive / Domain / Classic Hotel (Terminal) / 999 / UMBRA / Alexis / Venue / SCBD (Nebula / Fable / Lucy's / Empirica).
My tastes are quite varied and I would like to sample a little of everything Jakarta has to offer. Am I missing any club or bar of note?
What is your personal favorite from the list?
All info and recommendations are much appreciated.
CheersI don't know of any clubs that have closed recently other than Red Square and Stadium.
Your list there contains such a wide variety of places, they need to be rated separately. If you are young and decent looking, you don't need to spend your time in brothels because the girls will throw themselves at you at the clubs with no hookers.
In my opinion:
Best Brothels: Kings Cross, Malioboro, Hotel Classic (Alexis is better than all of these, but more expensive).
Best Night Clubs with Hookers: Bats, Top Gun, CJs.
Best Night Clubs without Hookers: X2, Immigrant, Dragonfly (I see you list others that are new and trendy and they would all be good pickup spots if you are young).
Best Rave Discos: Golden Crown, Milles, Colosseum.
There are lots of other places as well, but if I was new in town, these are the ones I'd go with. Hell, even if you had been in town over 10 years, these are the ones I'd go with.
Not a pickup spot, but a fun place to go these days is Jaya Pub. It's popular with both expats and locals. It's one of the oldest bars in the city and used to be one of the hottest hot spots in Jakarta. Then it died for almost 20 years. It has become popular again and is good fun. An old Dangdut singer runs the place. I'd never heard of him, but every time I've taken a girl there they always recognize that guy immediately as a famous "artist" from the past. He doesn't perform there, but has done a good job at bringing the bar back from the dead. The band mostly plays rock, but they also play dangdut on occasion. I love it when the hot chicks (why is it that dangdut chicks are always hot?) get up on the bar and sing dangdut. I normally bring a girl with me to the place. I have only been there on the weekend, so I'm not sure what it's like the rest of the week. Great atmosphere if you like a beer and a good time.
The Jaya Pub is right across the street from hotel Sari Pan Pacific.
Read on some other sites that some of the hotel brothels have an entrance fee. Not sure if it is waived if you took a girl or could be used towards your beer / drinks if none of the girls are to your liking. Also not sure if entrance fees only apply to certain times or days, like weekends. ?
I had plan on visiting several mentioned on this board and need to know if they have entrance fees and the amount as not to be surprised upon arrival.
Classic.
Travel.
King Cross.
Malioboro.
(Maybe Alexis- but unsure as it seems too pricey already with or without a fee).
Also, if other places you can think of have entrance fees, could list them here with the cost so others can also benefit from this info.
Thanks.
Show me a woman in Indonesia without scars on her legs and you are showing a woman who doesn't Ojek. There aren't many of them.
Ojeks can be handy. In these circumstances:
- When the traffic is guaranteed to be gridlocked from start to destination.
- When it is a short distance and you need to walk (too short or awkward route for a taxi).
- When it isn't going to pour rain or isn't clear skies (I. E. You can see blue through the smog, meaning damn hot).
- When how you look or smell isn't important when you reach your destination.
The traffic level is especially important. You *do not* want to give the Ojek a chance to get up speed. One time I got an Ojek in Bali, late at night. No traffic, open road, just been raining, no helmet. Casual ride down the road turned into something resembling qualifying for Moto GP. Never again. Rides since require bumper to bumper traffic all the way to impede speed.
You could also try a Bajah. I probably spelt that wrong, and if not forum autocorrect probably will! Those 3 wheel noise machines couldn't get speed up when trying on a steep downhill run. But they can't get through traffic like an Ojek. Ideal for short runs or carrying things however.
If a regular, finding a reliable Ojek or Bajah for your daily run can also work out just fine.
All other times. Taxi. Even the Transjakarta has deteriorated over the years. In recent years it has taken longer to get *on* the damn bus than the journey north to south would have taken in a taxi.Thanks for the info as I was also interested in alternate types of transport.
Are Bajaj available everywhere?
Also what should be a standard negotiated price from Gambir station to Mangga Besar, or Mangga Besar to King Cross on a Bajaj?
Just a thought as others have mentioned that the cost of taxi is also close to what the Ojek or Bajaj would cost. If this is true then why would they even exist?
Robert Long
04-04-15, 18:00
Thanks for the info as I was also interested in alternate types of transport.
Are Bajaj available everywhere?
Also what should be a standard negotiated price from Gambir station to Mangga Besar, or Mangga Besar to King Cross on a Bajaj?
Just a thought as others have mentioned that the cost of taxi is also close to what the Ojek or Bajaj would cost. If this is true then why would they even exist?For your health and safety use a Taxi. AC and pretty well protected. Why suffer the heat, rain, dust and traffic when you can relax in an AC Taxi? And Jakarta Taxi are cheap.
RL.
Read on some other sites that some of the hotel brothels have an entrance fee. Not sure if it is waived if you took a girl or could be used towards your beer / drinks if none of the girls are to your liking. Also not sure if entrance fees only apply to certain times or days, like weekends. ?Most of them the entrance fee is the minimum you will have to spend. I think classic entry fee is 30 k, but it's really just a guarantee that you will spend that much. If you buy enough (drinks or girls) to exceed 30 k, you don't have to pay an extra 30k. They do that because a bunch of cheap ass locals pile in there to see the naked dancers, and if they didn't charge anything at all, no paying customers would be able to get through the door due to it being overcrowded. I wish they would raise it to 100 k. It gets too damn crowded in that place.
I think Malio charges a minimum of 200 k to enter and same with Alexis, but it's the same theory. The good thing about that is you won't have a bunch of local ojek drivers jamming the place crowded in there due to those prices.
The ground floor at hotel classic where they have the foreign girls does charge a cover and I think it's good for one drink, but I forget. Bats and CJs also charge a cover that definitely includes one drink. Bats is 120 k and CJs is a little more than that. Places like Golden Crown and the other rave discos charge a cover as well.
I consider it a non-issue because in any of those places, I will at least buy one drink. And that's enough to cover that cover charge in any case.
Member #4537
04-04-15, 19:13
The ground floor at hotel classic where they have the foreign girls does charge a cover and I think it's good for one drink, but I forget.There used to be a free drink over at Bunker with the entry fee but now they won't give free drinks anymore.
I think Classic's fee is higher than 30,000 closer to 60,000 if I am not wrong, however it is not waived even if you run up a substantial bar tab, it's only waived if you take a girl to the room.
Another scam happened to me the other day at a new place just opened behind Taman Angrek, Hotel be (that's not how it's spelt but I can't be arsed getting a way around the anal-retentive spell checker) Fashion, a nice spot but a bit pricey, 800,000 for a girl. I had arranged to meet someone there, arrived, picked up the bracelet at reception and went in only to be told the person I was looking for had left so I simply turned round and walked out, less than 45 seconds inside all told, I didn't even enter the main room. I walked out and dropped the bracelet on the counter and suddenly there was all sorts of hullaballoo, ending only when I paid over 150,000 "cancellation fee". Very irritating and a sure way for a new place, looking to establish a customer base, to cheese off a potential regular client.
Not a pickup spot, but a fun place to go these days is Jaya Pub. It's popular with both expats and locals. It's one of the oldest bars in the city and used to be one of the hottest hot spots in Jakarta. Then it died for almost 20 years. It has become popular again and is good fun. An old Dangdut singer runs the place. I'd never heard of him, but every time I've taken a girl there they always recognize that guy immediately as a famous "artist" from the past. He doesn't perform there, but has done a good job at bringing the bar back from the dead. The band mostly plays rock, but they also play dangdut on occasion. I love it when the hot chicks (why is it that dangdut chicks are always hot?) get up on the bar and sing dangdut. I normally bring a girl with me to the place. I have only been there on the weekend, so I'm not sure what it's like the rest of the week. Great atmosphere if you like a beer and a good time.
The Jaya Pub is right across the street from hotel Sari Pan Pacific.I was there once with a group of expats and it is a fun place.
I do not think I have ever been to any clubs like what is described in and. Jakarta. I imagine an initial shock and awe for the first hour. I am not into techno, house, or anything like that so I will just have to tolerate the music as best I can. Woman come before music preference.
Assuming, I wanted to get a freebie from one of these type clubs, what is the best strategy for picking up a young Indo girl on E from one of these clubs?
Thanks in advance.I don't know if the traffic stops by the police are still a problem, but at least a couple of years ago cars, and even more so taxis, were stopped for "checks" by the police, particularly in parts of North Jakarta. If you were foreign and in a taxi you would be at particular risk. If you didn't have your passport with you, you would in many instances have to give a bribe in the range of 50,000 - 100,000 rupiah. But the more troubling scenario, which I fortunately never experienced, would be one where they checked for drugs. Even if you weren't carrying, if your "friend" was there could be trouble for you from what I understand. Others here might have both better and more up to date information about whether this is something to be concerned about, but your post did raise the issue in my mind.
Medellin Kuya
04-05-15, 09:02
How much would a night out normal cost?
Taxi from Plaza Senayan to the North and South to Kemang?
Entrance fee?
Local beer price?
Going to try to do small dates near my apartment during the week and go out alone on Friday or Saturday night.
Also, I think people missed my post about the rave clubs up North.
What is best strategy for picking up some rave girl on E? I assume to find one that is showing some interest. Then tell her to lets go and lead her out? Never dealt with any girls or venues like that.
Member #4537
04-05-15, 10:06
I don't know if the traffic stops by the police are still a problem, but at least a couple of years ago cars, and even more so taxis, were stopped for "checks" by the police, particularly in parts of North Jakarta. If you were foreign and in a taxi you would be at particular risk. If you didn't have your passport with you, you would in many instances have to give a bribe in the range of 50,000 - 100,000 rupiah. But the more troubling scenario, which I fortunately never experienced, would be one where they checked for drugs. Even if you weren't carrying, if your "friend" was there could be trouble for you from what I understand. Others here might have both better and more up to date information about whether this is something to be concerned about, but your post did raise the issue in my mind.These traffic stops and drug checks aren't just in North Jakarta. It doesn't make a difference if you have a guest with you in the car. I've been stopped in places as far as Pondok Indah all the way to Kelapa Gading. Almost always the motivation is money and it's music to their ears if you tell them you haven't got identification on you.
Member #4410
04-05-15, 12:20
For your health and safety use a Taxi. AC and pretty well protected. Why suffer the heat, rain, dust and traffic when you can relax in an AC Taxi? And Jakarta Taxi are cheap.
RL.
Safety is definitely an issue in the Jakarta traffic. Yesterday I learned that Milla, one of D's dancers, was killed in a traffic accident. I guess she was travelling by ojek.
Sad. She was a sweet girl.
Hung Man 1808
04-05-15, 15:49
The Transjakarta buses (at least on Corridor 1) pick up passengers at stops in the middle of the street hence the right-hand doors but deposit and embark passengers on kerb-side platforms at the Kota and Blok M terminals hence the left-hand side doors.Didn't think of that, mainly because it is rare for me to get to either end of the busway. I remember the left side exit in Blok M, I thought it was on the right side in Kota but only did it once, and the left hand exit in Blok M voids that argument anyway. And I'm now thinking too much.
Another scam happened to me the other day at a new place just opened behind Taman Angrek, Hotel be (that's not how it's spelt but I can't be arsed getting a way around the anal-retentive spell checker) Fashion, a nice spot but a bit pricey.Buggar me (not literally) and knock me down with a feather, I didn't know about that "B Fashion" hotel. Seems it has been around since 2013 or so judging by the reports on the hotel booking sites it appears on - booking.com must love the photos of the 'bar' area covered in bikini clad girls photos. There's more available in that area than I thought, though I haven't made it across the tollway to FM1 . Yet.
Safety is definitely an issue in the Jakarta traffic. Yesterday I learned that Milla, one of D's dancers, was killed in a traffic accident. I guess she was travelling by ojek.
Sad. She was a sweet girl.Her photo has been posted on various facebook accounts recently giving condolences.
Those motorbikes are dangerous in Jakarta.
To Pancha.
TC have been closed for a long time you should try Millie disco for late night pick up for freelancer, I never like TC the girl there is just too young for my taste and now the Stadium is closed also but there is so many other place you can get action in the area.
Fast eddie 48.Thanks very much FE48. Will definitely try that. However the Blok M is always there missing which the Maliboro.
Thanks again.
Member #4410
04-05-15, 21:22
Her photo has been posted on various facebook accounts recently giving condolences.
Those motorbikes are dangerous in Jakarta.There will be a charity auction on April 24, proceeds going to the family.
These traffic stops and drug checks aren't just in North Jakarta. It doesn't make a difference if you have a guest with you in the car. I've been stopped in places as far as Pondok Indah all the way to Kelapa Gading. Almost always the motivation is money and it's music to their ears if you tell them you haven't got identification on you.I didn't suggest the traffic stops were only in North Jakarta nor did I say whether you had another person with you affected the likelihood you would be stopped. I did suggest that if one is looking to pick up someone with "E" (and assuming I am interpreting "E" correctly to mean ecstasy), the possibility of a traffic stop should be considered as being found with drugs (even if only your guest has them) could become much more serious than not having one's passport. Having said that I don't know if these traffic stops are still as active as they were a few years ago, given some of the anti-corruption moves, albeit not so effective, that have taken place. I know in my recent experience I have not seen the number I did maybe three or four years ago, but then again I tend to avoid the roads where I previously saw them regularly. .
Her photo has been posted on various facebook accounts recently giving condolences.Could anyone post or direct us to her photo? All those girls use a few different names. Still, this is sad, sad news.
I don't know if the traffic stops by the police are still a problem, but at least a couple of years ago cars, and even more so taxis, were stopped for "checks" by the police, particularly in parts of North Jakarta. If you were foreign and in a taxi you would be at particular risk. If you didn't have your passport with you, you would in many instances have to give a bribe in the range of 50,000 - 100,000 rupiah. But the more troubling scenario, which I fortunately never experienced, would be one where they checked for drugs. Even if you weren't carrying, if your "friend" was there could be trouble for you from what I understand. Others here might have both better and more up to date information about whether this is something to be concerned about, but your post did raise the issue in my mind.Would the cops accept a copy of the passport as I hate to carry original around as it could easily get lifted or stolen if mugged.
I know most countries needs an ID on the person but will usually accepts a copy of the passport.
Would the cops accept a copy of the passport as I hate to carry original around as it could easily get lifted or stolen if mugged.
I know most countries needs an ID on the person but will usually accepts a copy of the passport.I was once stopped in North Jakarta near Komplek Kotah Indah and gave the police a copy of my passport and my original US-based drivers license. He said I needed the original passport, and if I did not pay him money he would bring me to the Police Station. He first wanted US $100, I laughed, and ended up paying him 100,000 rupiah. I have heard conflicting information about whether an original passport is necessary, but I didn't want to risk him following through on his threat to bring me to the police station. In Indonesia the law is often what the police officer (or governmental official) says it is irrespective of the written law. He probably wouldn't have taken me to the police station if I refused to pay (because it would have probably been more profitable for him to stay on the street soliciting bribes), but if the cop did decide to pursue this further it could have gotten rather ugly for me.
Incidentally, I was in a Blue Bird taxi with a wingman, and there was no reason for the traffic stop other than that the police officer appeared to be there for the sole purpose of doing shakedowns. I reached this conclusion because on other occasions I walked by the exact same spot, and saw the same thing being done to others, but also saw that he (or another cop at the same location) was selective in who he stopped.. There are other locations where the cops would stop everyone, and ask to see id. Fortunately, when this happened to me (a couple of times) I had my passport with me.
Jakarta is the only country I visit, and I visit a lot throughout the world, where I always have my original passport on me. Makes me nervous but I put it in a passport pouch that goes in my front pocket and ties to my belt loop.
Fortunately, when this happened to me (a couple of times) I had my passport with me.
Jakarta is the only country I visit, and I visit a lot throughout the world, where I always have my original passport on me. Makes me nervous but I put it in a passport pouch that goes in my front pocket and ties to my belt loop.So you had your passport with you and they let you go? You were lucky. Normally, it doesn't matter if you have your passport with you or not. They will still want a bribe and will just come up with some other BS excuse to ask for money. Their normal story is that you need to file with the police station when you arrive and they want to see the report that you filed with the station. But even my friends who live in Jakarta working for major companies with a legal kitas and carrying their passport have to pay the police bribes at those stop points on occasion. Carrying your passport does not guarantee that you will not be hassled. I personally think it's a very bad idea to carry your passport. I used to carry mine in Africa because the company I was working with asked me to. It ended up getting stolen from me one night in a bar when I was quite drunk. I haven't carried it with me since. I'd prefer to pay the 100 k rupiah (about 8 bucks usd) than risk any possible chance of losing or damaging my passport. I've been pulled over by the cops about 10 times in over 10 years. It's not that big of an issue. And I go out a lot.
Robert Long
04-07-15, 06:47
Would the cops accept a copy of the passport as I hate to carry original around as it could easily get lifted or stolen if mugged.
I know most countries needs an ID on the person but will usually accepts a copy of the passport.I have always carried a copy of my passport and drivers license along with the International DL in Bali and they have always accepted that. Police stops in Bali are very common and frequent. And as a Bule I am a driving dollar / RP sign. As long as you have your shit together they back away.
You can always get out your HP and start to film the stop. Who knows what that will bring?
RL.
Police stops in Bali are very common and frequent.I find a police stop in Bali to be very different from a blockade type of stop in Jakarta. I've never once been asked to pay a bribe in Bali for not having my passport or for any other reason while I am in a taxi or rented car in Bali. In Bali, if the police have stopped a car I was in, they have always hassled the driver and left the passengers alone. In Jakarta, it's just the opposite. If they see a westerner in the car in Jakarta, they don't even worry about the driver, they go right for the westerner sitting in the back seat. I think in Bali they mainly hassle the people driving motorbikes or full time bali residents with their own car.
So you had your passport with you and they let you go? You were lucky. Normally, it doesn't matter if you have your passport with you or not. They will still want a bribe and will just come up with some other BS excuse to ask for money. Their normal story is that you need to file with the police station when you arrive and they want to see the report that you filed with the station. But even my friends who live in Jakarta working for major companies with a legal kitas and carrying their passport have to pay the police bribes at those stop points on occasion. Carrying your passport does not guarantee that you will not be hassled. I personally think it's a very bad idea to carry your passport. I used to carry mine in Africa because the company I was working with asked me to. It ended up getting stolen from me one night in a bar when I was quite drunk. I haven't carried it with me since. I'd prefer to pay the 100 k rupiah (about 8 bucks usd) than risk any possible chance of losing or damaging my passport. I've been pulled over by the cops about 10 times in over 10 years. It's not that big of an issue. And I go out a lot.Yes, the couple of times I got stopped and had my original passport with me they just looked at it and let me go. But I agree even having the original passport does not guarantee that there won't be another (concocted) reason for the police to solicit a bribe.
But getting back to another point, I have the impression, but not based on a lot of information, this police behavior has diminished a bit over the course of the last year or so. Does anyone else have this impression (or the contrary one that it hasn't diminished)?
Hung Man 1808
04-07-15, 15:51
Incidentally, I was in a Blue Bird taxi with a wingman, and there was no reason for the traffic stop other than that the police officer appeared to be there for the sole purpose of doing shakedowns. I reached this conclusion because on other occasions I walked by the exact same spot, and saw the same thing being done to others, but also saw that he (or another cop at the same location) was selective in who he stopped.Which is why, when passing the police box at the start of Hayam Wuruk heading north at night (especially late at night) I tend to slip forward on the seat in the back of the taxi, so that only the top of my head (or less) is visible from the outside of the car.
Last time I got stopped, in that same area incidentally, all I remember is a door opening and a hand being stuck in, with the international sign of rubbing thumb and fingers together indicating it was time to depart with some cash. Doubt I would have been able to find the passport in the state I was in. If I had it!
Medellin Kuya
04-08-15, 01:33
I made a map of various points of interest if anyone is interested.
Let me know if anything is incorrect or I should add some other places.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zo0MWeCRla2c.kAE4muqVsxzM
It's odd but in the almost 12 years I have been in Jakarta I have never been shaken down by the peelers for ID.
Several times I have been stopped for a genuine traffic violation and have paid a bribe to get away with it, which suits me fine as I am an old-fashioned kinda guy who believes cops should be out chasing real criminals instead of harassing God-fearing, decent motorists who only want to get to the nearest red-light district in good time.
If occasionally we fine, upstanding motorists do infringe some minor traffic regulation then I am a firm supporter of the idea of a small contribution to the policeman's benevolent fund tucked inside the driver's licence as sufficient punishment, and given the alacrity with which the constabulary receive these contributions, holding up the traffic to allow me to go on my way with a crisp salute and a "mind how you go now sir", the police appear to agree. Or perhaps I over-pay, it wouldn't be the first time in this town but given that the difference between Rp 50,000 and Rp 100,000 is about 2. 50 in the Queen's money I can live with the shame.
When do these ID shakedowns occur? Are they mostly late night / early morning affairs?
I made a map of various points of interest if anyone is interested.
Let me know if anything is incorrect or I should add some other places.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zo0MWeCRla2c.kAE4muqVsxzMHey good work bro. How do I contribute to this?
It's odd but in the almost 12 years I have been in Jakarta I have never been shaken down by the peelers for ID.
Several times I have been stopped for a genuine traffic violation and have paid a bribe to get away with it, which suits me fine as I am an old-fashioned kinda guy who believes cops should be out chasing real criminals instead of harassing God-fearing, decent motorists who only want to get to the nearest red-light district in good time.
If occasionally we fine, upstanding motorists do infringe some minor traffic regulation then I am a firm supporter of the idea of a small contribution to the policeman's benevolent fund tucked inside the driver's licence as sufficient punishment, and given the alacrity with which the constabulary receive these contributions, holding up the traffic to allow me to go on my way with a crisp salute and a "mind how you go now sir", the police appear to agree. Or perhaps I over-pay, it wouldn't be the first time in this town but given that the difference between Rp 50,000 and Rp 100,000 is about 2. 50 in the Queen's money I can live with the shame.
When do these ID shakedowns occur? Are they mostly late night / early morning affairs?They used to often set up check points on Jl. Gunung Sahari just north of the old Sheraton Media, where I used to stay (so had pretty good knowledge of this situation). At these checkpoints they pretty much stopped every car, although there were a fair number of "discretional" stops at other points in this general area. One such discretional stop point was on Pengaran Jayakarta where that street meets Mangga Dua Raya, the street that the Kota Train station is located on. But although that location previously had police there much of the time (starting mid-evening), I haven't seen any there recently (although don't go there as much these days), leading to my question about whether the traffic stops have generally diminished in number.
I also heard they had these stops in the area around the deceased Stadium, but I don't recall if I ever saw any there.
When do these ID shakedowns occur? Are they mostly late night / early morning affairs?Normally around Midnight until 4 am and normally in areas where prostitution or drug use is prevalent. I was shaken down twice a few months ago. Once in Kelapa Gading and once near Taman Lawang (don't make any inappropriate assumptions.). Outside Stadium was a standard place to stop people in the past. But it's random. I've never been stopped in the same place twice. Many times they have a blockade but don't stop me. From my experience, it seems they let the Silver Birds pass more easily than the other taxis. But I've been stopped in Silver Birds as well.
If you haven't been stopped yet, your mongering habits probably aren't conducive to it ever happening.
If you haven't been stopped yet, your mongering habits probably aren't conducive to it ever happening.That perhaps explains it.
I am an afternoon, early evening kind of guy and I blend in with the usual commuter traffic. The cops I see are mostly standing on the side of the road waving vigorously at the passing parade and not paying too much attention to who is in the car. I have frequently driven the entire length of Thamrin / Sudirman alone in the car during the three-in-one period and passing literally dozens of stressed-out cops without any of them paying me the slightest heed.
Hiding in plain sight is often a good strategy for those of us who pursue our little hobby.
Member #4385
04-10-15, 17:40
Been living in Jakarta for a few years, my experience from being pulled over for the "passport check routine" are now uncountable. From 2003-2010 it happened very often, but I only got stopped for these checks in the Blok M area, Kota and Gunung Sahari. During 2011-2013 it was not many of these checks, I don't think I got stopped at all. Then for me this activity started to peak again last year, but not only on checkpoints at the usual places, but also in Menteng and on Sudirman. In my experience these check only happens at night or early morning. You notice that they only stop taxis, and their excuse are that they are doing "normal patrol". Indonesians may claim that they see a peak in activity in the late days of each month, as its the police haven't recieved their salary yet, and in need of cash. Maybe more of a joke, but may have some truth in it. In my experience nowdays, if you have a valid Kitas or passport, they won't ask you for money or if you do, just say politely no. Works for me.
Another thing, scary thing, that happened to me last weekend, after visiting a kota disco. Was that I was brought in by a undercover taxi driver to the policestation for a drug razia. I'm not into drugs, so I wasnt really worried. It took only 10 min, but it seemed like they were almost expecting me to come down with something, having seen me coming out of that particular kota disco. Story ended well. But what freaked me out afterwards (the next day, when I woke up with a hangover) was the thought, that if they had wanted to, they may have planted something on me during the bodysearch and have claimed me to have carried it. Lesson of they day for me, and I hope others take note of this as well, if you are taken in a razia like this, ask to see the policemans hands before they do the bodycheck on you, and be very aware of overall situation. Even ask a stranger to be your witness, so thepolice notice that you are aware.
Some cops in this country play very dirty, and a faked drug bust, may be too irresistible for some.
Wamena
They used to often set up check points on Jl. Gunung Sahari just north of the old Sheraton Media, where I used to stay (so had pretty good knowledge of this situation). At these checkpoints they pretty much stopped every car, although there were a fair number of "discretional" stops at other points in this general area. One such discretional stop point was on Pengaran Jayakarta where that street meets Mangga Dua Raya, the street that the Kota Train station is located on. But although that location previously had police there much of the time (starting mid-evening), I haven't seen any there recently (although don't go there as much these days), leading to my question about whether the traffic stops have generally diminished in number.
I also heard they had these stops in the area around the deceased Stadium, but I don't recall if I ever saw any there.
As far as the current price at BATS and CJs, in the past I had always refused to pay over a million rupiah. The last few times I went to BATS, I had no luck. Although I really liked the girl I was chatting up and was having a good time with her in the bar, I stuck to my guns and tried to negotiate her down to 1 million. I even went as high as 1. 2 million. But each time they were refusing, wanting at least 1. 5 million (some wanted 2 million) - and they ended up going home with another guy rather than dropping their price (shame, because in each case, the girls were very nice and I ended up alone rather than settling for a more mediocre girl for 1 million). Since I've been in Jakarta so long, I'm a bit picky, and there aren't many girls I will be attracted to in BATS or CJs. I don't normally prefer a girl older than mid 20's and I don't want them to have had a baby.
My last visit to BATS, I met a girl I found very attractive. She was sexy, fun, and getting me horny as hell in the bar. When she asked for 1. 5 for short time, I asked her if she'd go for 1. 2 million and she refused. So I then agreed immediately to 1. 5 (lesson learned). Given the 13000/1 exchange rate, I'm ok with it now if the girl is a keeper.
As it turned out, the girl was absolutely worth it. Best experience I've had in Jakarta in a while. I normally don't keep a girl in my room longer than an hour, but this girl was a lot of fun. She was probably in my room an hour and a half to two hours. She was fine with photos, sexy outfits, and the sex was awesome. I hate to admit it, but 1. 5 for short time seems to be the going rate these days for nicer girls from the 5 star hotels. Even for us guys who have been around for years. Some of my buddies say they have been paying up to 2 million short time for stunners from CJs and BATS. Gone are the days of 500 K for a stunner. But with the taxi fares and entrance fee, these girls are paying at least 250 k just to visit these places, so it makes sense.
Given that this girl was a lot of fun, I'm not complaining. Real GFE both in the bar and in the room. I've even repeated with her a few times after that.
I read where guys claim they are taking some of the nicer girls in BATS for less than that these days, but given my experiences and after talking with some of my friends who have lived in town for years, I find that hard to believe. There are older and less attractive girls who will go for less than that, but they are not the same quality.
Fast Eddie 48
04-10-15, 23:59
I went to Golden Crown last night at midnight not too crowded many girl in the front looking for a date most are average speak little English asking 500 k for ST and one Mil for all night but I am looking for a stunner and in come Jenny a OL with a hot body speak good English buy her a drink she want 1. 5 mil for all night we settle for 700 k for ST back to Mecure kota w go great BBBJ and she enjoy DATY 2 shots stay for 3 HR yes I agree with Smoothy the days for 300 k ST pick up is over most girl now days start at 1 mil and up.
Fast eddie 48.
I went to Golden Crown last night at midnight not too crowded many girl in the front looking for a date Really? I've never had that experience there. Those girls standing in front of the entrance to the disco area at Golden Crown aren't looking for a "date", they are looking for someone to buy them ecstasy. If you buy that for them, they will go into the disco with you and enjoy their high, then go home with you for free after that. Are you sure you were at Golden Crown? I haven't been there in a few years. Maybe things have changed?
Medellin Kuya
04-11-15, 03:23
Really? I've never had that experience there. Those girls standing in front of the entrance to the disco area at Golden Crown aren't looking for a "date", they are looking for someone to buy them ecstasy. If you buy that for them, they will go into the disco with you and enjoy their high, then go home with you for free after that. Are you sure you were at Golden Crown? I haven't been there in a few years. Maybe things have changed?How risky is it buying / giving a girl ecstasy?
How do girls act while on ecstasy?
In my mind I envision a girl spaced out and horny down for a wild night. LOL.
How easy would it be for a 28 year old white guy to pull a cute / sexy girl from one of these discos in the North?
What is the deal with all the girls online using Spanish words? Struck me ass odd LOL.
I have never bought ecstasy for those girls, but my friends have. You can just give the money to the girl, they know where to get the stuff inside the disco. I think the price of one tab is like 300 or 400 k, and they are going to want 2 before they go home with you so it's not as cheap a deal as you would think.
A 28 year old will have just as easy luck in Jakarta as they would in Colombia. The difference is in Colombia you will need to be able to speak Spanish to pull freebies, in Jakarta you won't necessarily need to be able to speak Indonesian. But you will need to be a good looking 28 year old to be pulling freebies from the discos, not a short, fat, bald guy who happens to be 28. (I'm not saying that is you.).
No Indonesian girl in Jakarta I've ever met can speak any Spanish. A few of their words are the same as Spanish, but very very few.
Double Shooter
04-11-15, 12:12
The Shooter always enjoys a business trip to Jakarta. Let's face it: it'a a great place to get a good shag!
Day 1.
The Shooter was well cream-crackered from the overnight flight. So he WhatsApped an old contact from Tagged. Sure enough, despite 4 years elapsed since their last meeting, she was ready to tango at short notice. She turned up at the hotel in an hour, looking like a fantastic blend of OL and seductress in glasses and a short dress. A quick drink in the bar then up to the room for a great sesh. This girl likes to suck and fuck. Not much in the titty department, but lovely soft skin and a fantastic arse. And a tremendous work ethic. This girl will go until you tell her to stop.
For some reason, probably jet lag, the Shooter was unable to shoot despite a 5-day abstinence. First she offered back-door, then bareback. The Shooter demurred. Eventually he got off via one of his old nut-busting techniques: she rested her head on his stomach and licked the base of his shaft while he diddled his dick; once completion neared, he switched the angle to come on her face. She didn't flinch at all and took it like a champ.
She had to work the next day, so she left at 8 am. No money requested; the Shooter put 800 k in her bag.
The Accountant was the Shooter's wingman for this trip. He opted for the CraigsList route. Some eye-popping ads. He almost went for a purported Emirati model for $200ST. In the end he chose an Indo girl who was much plainer in person than in the photos. However, she turned out to be a BJ specialist and much to the Accountant's surprise and delight she skilfully extracted 2 pops in just over an hour. $70 ST.
A successful and efficient day 1.
Double Shooter
04-11-15, 12:33
Day 2 was Tuesday, and by tradition that means a visit to Mo's Bar for Ladies' Night.
The place wasn't busy but there was plenty to choose from. The Shooter hit a table of tipsy OLs. They had clearly been getting stuck into the free drinks and were up for some white sausage. Great fun in the bar. The Shooter was chosen by an energetic spinner in a sexy black dress, while the Accountant hooked up with an even tinier doll-like creature with a beautiful face. The girls were all office workers, non-pros but expected some compensation for their company. Typical Asian scenario.
Back at the hotel, again it was a great session. Small boobs but great skin and fantastic arse. She was not a professional but uninhibited and very enthusiastic. She had an odd BJ technique that was amateurish yet intensely enjoyable. Basically it was her small mouth trying to engulf his endowment in various ways and from various angles. Her pussy was great-tasting and they 69'd for ages.
Again he had difficulty coming. This time he could not restrain himself and he plunged in bareback, revelling in the hot wetness against his cock. That ramped up the sensation sufficiently to reach escape velocity and he CIP'd (with advance warning). She moaned good-naturally about that, but later she messaged him: "I really enjoyed our sex. I love that feeling in the morning. Was really good in my body. " Kinnell. Rock Star syndrome. Fucking paradise.
There had been no mention of money, except that she expected to receive some, so he left 10 100 k notes by her bag. She took it without counting.
Meanwhile, the Accountant had been persuaded to take 2 of the OLs. The tiny doll-like creature and her raunchy friend. That turned out to be a bad idea. Basically they did not coordinate well, and in fact got in each other's way. He should have just taken one of them. On the plus side, the tiny doll-like creature had a "perfect body". Swings and roundabouts you might say.
All in all another great night.
How risky is it buying / giving a girl ecstasy?
How do girls act while on ecstasy?
In my mind I envision a girl spaced out and horny down for a wild night. LOL.
How easy would it be for a 28 year old white guy to pull a cute / sexy girl from one of these discos in the North?
What is the deal with all the girls online using Spanish words? Struck me ass odd LOL.The lingua franca of trade in Jakarta for 250 years was Portuguese so a lot of latin words are still commonly found in song lyrics and the various dialects of North Jakarta. Latin names are still popular and often indicate the girls are Christian.
GoodEnough
04-11-15, 15:40
The lingua franca of trade in Jakarta for 250 years was Portuguese so a lot of latin words are still commonly found in song lyrics and the various dialects of North Jakarta. Latin names are still popular and often indicate the girls are Christian.Don't know where you studied history, but actually it was Dutch.
GE.
Don't know where you studied history, but actually it was Dutch.
GE.Possibly a more thorough and wordly education than your's Sinyo GE. Following the defeat of Falatehan laskar troops in the 1520's the Portuguese language became the language of trade / lingua franca and mongering in Jakarta until about the 1740's. For 80 of those years Holland was itself occupied by Spain and run as a Spanish colony with a certain amount of fury. The Batavia Census of 1699 clearly indicates the strength of the Portuguese language in Jakarta with over 1/3 of the inhabitants declaring themselves as Mardijker Portuguese.
There are PortTUGUese quarters throughout the trading posts of Java. Mostly named Tugu, all having a number of Mestizo citizens. Many of these Mestizos created during a night of debauchery in the brothels that always neighbour Tugu. A visit to Kramat Tunggal in the 80's or the Sarkem backstreets of the railway station today at Tugu in Yogya provide examples.
While the Dutch language and the VOC prospered from the 1750's during the Dutch golden age, I believe Portuguese remained strong in the language of mongering.
A Moresco nightout with the Portuguese creole sailors of man Mar. Was a renowned experience in 1930's Batavia. With Keroncong lullabies wailing through the night these daredevils who had had the audacity to hunt wild bore at dusk, among muslim neighbours would turn to hard liquor and debauchery in the evenings. Until 1940's the Tugu men wore hats and carried guns, the womanfolk a short tight blouse. They organised festivities where the men and women danced in pairs. They even touched one another to the disgust of the Dutch Calvins. Alcohol was imbibed as a matter of pride.
Betrayed by the jealous Dutch when under Japanese occupation most starved to death in the camps, never to be seen mongering again.
In the mid 90's I attended a Portuguese wedding at the Gereja Sion in Kota to help record some Keroncong. In attendance was a heart melting collection of the most stunningly beautiful girls I've truly ever seen from all over the Indies. Betawi Cristao's, Ambon Serani. Malaccan Kristangs, Surinam migrants, the Costa Jews, and the thin nosed Topasses of Timor. The Holanda (or Londo as used in Java) weren't invited.
Tambora DJ.
GoodEnough
04-12-15, 00:36
Okay Pete, I stand abjectly corrected. Thanks for the capsule history. I had no idea.
GE.
Possibly a more thorough and wordly education than your's Sinyo GE. Following the defeat of Falatehan laskar troops in the 1520's the Portuguese language became the language of trade / lingua franca and mongering in Jakarta until about the 1740's. For 80 of those years Holland was itself occupied by Spain and run as a Spanish colony with a certain amount of fury. The Batavia Census of 1699 clearly indicates the strength of the Portuguese language in Jakarta with over 1/3 of the inhabitants declaring themselves as Mardijker Portuguese.
There are PortTUGUese quarters throughout the trading posts of Java. Mostly named Tugu, all having a number of Mestizo citizens. Many of these Mestizos created during a night of debauchery in the brothels that always neighbour Tugu. A visit to Kramat Tunggal in the 80's or the Sarkem backstreets of the railway station today at Tugu in Yogya provide examples.
While the Dutch language and the VOC prospered from the 1750's during the Dutch golden age, I believe Portuguese remained strong in the language of mongering.
A Moresco nightout with the Portuguese creole sailors of man Mar. Was a renowned experience in 1930's Batavia. With Keroncong lullabies wailing through the night these daredevils who had had the audacity to hunt wild bore at dusk, among muslim neighbours would turn to hard liquor and debauchery in the evenings. Until 1940's the Tugu men wore hats and carried guns, the womanfolk a short tight blouse. They organised festivities where the men and women danced in pairs. They even touched one another to the disgust of the Dutch Calvins. Alcohol was imbibed as a matter of pride.
Betrayed by the jealous Dutch when under Japanese occupation most starved to death in the camps, never to be seen mongering again.
In the mid 90's I attended a Portuguese wedding at the Gereja Sion in Kota to help record some Keroncong. In attendance was a heart melting collection of the most stunningly beautiful girls I've truly ever seen from all over the Indies. Betawi Cristao's, Ambon Serani. Malaccan Kristangs, Surinam migrants, the Costa Jews, and the thin nosed Topasses of Timor. The Holanda (or Londo as used in Java) weren't invited.
Tambora DJ.I think this applies to this erudite post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrm-rPSCIBw
Well given that the scene in Jakarta is so terminally dull these days and getting duller by the hour I suppose there would be no harm in a linguistic-historical discussion to while away a boring Sunday afternoon.
The Latin / Portuguese words in common use in Indonesian are often the words that refer to European things that would have been first introduced by the Portuguese, thus the words for table, butter, shoe etc are meja, mentega and zapatu. So many of the Dutch words originate with things that the Dutch menheers and their wives would have needed to explain to their staff to get household chores done, curtain, wash basin, and my favourite bed pan being gordyn, wastafel and pispot. Trade would have been conducted in a variety of linguas franca; Arabic, Malay, Javanese, Sundanese, the variety of Chinese dialects, Portuguese, Dutch and English and anything that got a polyglot range of Jolly Jack Tars through the day (and night) to become our old friend Bahasa Indonesia.
However, the colourful collection of Portuguese and / or Christian-descent wedding celebrants cited below, whilst no doubt leading to an entertaining and eye-easing evening could hardly be described as typical of the Indonesian people as a whole and certainly not of the type of girl a bule bloke could expect to pick up at Milles or Golden Crown, so in answer to the original question I have no idea where these Spanish speakers the OP asked about come from as I have certainly never met any of them.
I know, for a fact, that our esteemed member Natty Bumpo is kicking ass and taking names in Jakarta right now.
I'm looking forward to his excellent reports, as usual!
I know, for a fact, that our esteemed member Natty Bumpo is kicking ass and taking names in Jakarta right now.
I'm looking forward to his excellent reports, as usual!The thing I like about Natty's adventures is that he isn't afraid to spend some money to have fun. That is different from the majority of the posts here where people are looking for the cheapest sex possible. However, I don't think I've ever seen him post a single photo. Natty, if you read this, I'd love to see some of these ladies you are shagging.
Regarding some of the posts sometime back, I too had the same experience once.
I met a girl in BATS who wanted to party more. Headed out, gave her 350 K for an E tablet which she bought while I waited in the Silver Bird. Went to Collosseum which is a excellent club BTW. She had the tablet in small doses and we got out of the club at around 3 AM.
Was stopped by a couple of policemen between Collosseum and Malioboro (not too sure about the place). The policeman asked for my passport which I never carry. They asked me to come out with the girl as translator. Fortunately, she was quite sober.
They asked me to pay. I said that I would rather wait for the Shangri-La to get the passport out of my safe and get it to them. They talked in Bahasa and let me go. I was very polite and very firm. Maybe I was just plain lucky. I deal with a couple of General's sons for biz and knew that I could count on their connections if things got bad.
I really don't mind paying 100 or 200 K but we can never be sure about the cops' attitude once they have smelt blood.
On the other hand, this was the first time I ventured past Malioboro on that road.
Cheers,
McM.
Thanks Smoothy for the intel. This will definitely help in negotiations.
My last visit to BATS, I met a girl I found very attractive. She was sexy, fun, and getting me horny as hell in the bar. When she asked for 1. 5 for short time, I asked her if she'd go for 1. 2 million and she refused. So I then agreed immediately to 1. 5 (lesson learned). Given the 13000/1 exchange rate, I'm ok with it now if the girl is a keeper.
.................. Gone are the days of 500 K for a stunner. But with the taxi fares and entrance fee, these girls are paying at least 250 k just to visit these places, so it makes sense.
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When do these ID shakedowns occur? Are they mostly late night / early morning affairs?One spot where there is OFTEN police checks is near the Karet cemetery, just along the road of the Shangri La Hotel. The checks there are so frequent that I often used to take a long way home, going along Sudirman instead, to avoid them. Not that they were much trouble if you had ID on you, but it was just the hassle factor.
As far as the current price at BATS and CJs, in the past I had always refused to pay over a million rupiah. The last few times I went to BATS, I had no luck....Bats and / or CJs have become my mongering nemesis. I think I've got a strike rate of 0 out of the 4 past visits. The girls there (confused which is which as the same girls frequent both) only want to pull with new timers. I guess Smoothy you suffer form the same dilemma as I do, should you let on you've been in and our of town for a long tiime and can understand what the girls are talking about.
I also suffer the issue in these joint of girls who I pulled tricks with some twenty years ago coming up to wind me up, asking for drinks and warn the SYT fluttering about to avoid me like the plague. The phrase is "bule basi" which is akin to "contaminated by local indo. Men's influence / behavior".
I've gone in and even tried my best to only speak English, ask dumb questions, get quotes in dollars etc. One time managed to get a really attractive 20 year old to agree to leave with me, got up the stairs and one of the security guards casually said a pleasent goodbye in Batak and I stupidly replied in Batak without thinking.
Well, I now know how Richard Attenborough's character felt like in the Great Escape when he was caught by the German's at the train station. The girl I was with litterly froze and refused to go with me, despite the $100 leaving sweetener agreed. She said fairly politely that going with me would be like going with one of her family.
It's really become an issue for me, so nowdays when visiting Jakarta I bring along tshirts and miniature perfumes from branded stores in Europe for presents for the girls. Withe the result that my pulls on they way home and texting their friends, that they have left safely can also say the old timers aren't that bad.
North Jakarta isn't an issue so places like Kings Cross and Empornium are now my favourites but they don't always have the same chase and trap feeling you can sometimes get from Bats / CJ's or even out the blue in a mall or on the trains.
I also suffer the issue in these joint of girls who I pulled tricks with some twenty years ago coming up to wind me up, asking for drinks and warn the SYT fluttering about to avoid me like the plague. The phrase is "bule basi" which is akin to "contaminated by local indo. Men's influence / behavior".They've been calling me Bule Basi for about 10 years now. However, I don't think that's the problem in this case. I hadn't taken a girl from BATS in quite a while and I didn't recognize any of the girls there. They don't know me as bule basi at the moment. One girl did mention to me that I had a reputation of going there and just drinking then leaving alone. That was a combination of the fact that I had a live in girlfriend for a few years, so when I did go, I wasn't able to take one home. And then the previous few times I wasn't willing to part with so much money. (When I first came to Jakarta, I don't think there was even one remotely attractive girl in the bar I hadn't shagged, so to say I just drink there is pretty funny these days.) I simply think the price is now 1. 5 million as the standard. If you wait until closing time, you may be able to get cheaper because the girl's options become limited at that point. However, by that time, all of the best girls should be gone. The girls are not allowed by BATS management to re-enter BATS that night after they have already left the bar for a short time, so the hot ones are not making multiple runs anymore. That may also have something to do with the increased price.
The slope gets ever steeper and more slippery.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/04/14/prison-fines-await-drinkers.html
Guess what the next step will be.
Not sure if anyone has been tracking this; long story short 2 Islamic political parties have tabled in parliament to ban alcohol sales, with same penalties for consumption and possession as drugs. Obviously extremely radical, especially considering Malaysia, with its unique sharia law and Islamic constitution doesn't ban alcohol sales.
Not trying to give my own opinion here- just highlighting to fellow mongers, as this will change the scene somewhat if it ever passes (or in what form it passes).
FYI. If colleagues here didn't know, alcohol sales was banned in ALL mini-marts (including Bali) this month.
And condom sales were banned in Surabaya to unmarried people. Or so I've heard.
"A priority bill initiated by the House of Representatives has proposed banning all consumption of alcoholic beverages, with imprisonment of between three months and two years for anyone caught consuming alcohol.
The bill on the prohibition of alcoholic beverages, a copy of which has been obtained by The Jakarta Post, will put in place a ban on the sale, production, distribution and consumption of all beverages containing more than 1 percent alcohol.
A meeting of lawmakers in the House Legislation Body (Baleg) on Monday approved the progress of the bill's deliberation to the next stage where lawmakers are set to ensure clauses in the bill do not contravene existing laws. ".
- See more at: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/04/14/prison-fines-await-drinkers.html#sthash. DSBQVFTq. Dpuf.
Hahhaa, were obviously reading and posting at the same time.
The slope gets ever steeper and more slippery.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/04/14/prison-fines-await-drinkers.html
Guess what the next step will be.
Ahok announced in November last year Kalijodo would be closing soon. Similar to Dolly in SBY.
I was in Kalijodo Saturday afternoon, this wasnt a mongering visit for. Just having a stroll and a bo-peep, as I was nearby at Taman Angrekk.
Seems to me the place is still very much alive and kicking with the usual type of dodgy crowd, usual activities. (quieter of course as it was late arvo).
So I am not sure when it will close, but it hasnt yet!
And condom sales were banned in Surabaya to unmarried people. Or so I've heard.I don't think that will have much effect on the locals. I don't believe any of them ever wear a condom.
Not sure if anyone has been tracking this; long story short 2 Islamic political parties have tabled in parliament to ban alcohol sales, with same penalties for consumption and possession as drugs. Obviously extremely radical, especially considering Malaysia, with its unique sharia law and Islamic constitution doesn't ban alcohol sales.
Not trying to give my own opinion here- just highlighting to fellow mongers, as this will change the scene somewhat if it ever passes (or in what form it passes).
FYI. If colleagues here didn't know, alcohol sales was banned in ALL mini-marts (including Bali) this month.
And condom sales were banned in Surabaya to unmarried people. Or so I've heard.
"A priority bill initiated by the House of Representatives has proposed banning all consumption of alcoholic beverages, with imprisonment of between three months and two years for anyone caught consuming alcohol.
The bill on the prohibition of alcoholic beverages, a copy of which has been obtained by The Jakarta Post, will put in place a ban on the sale, production, distribution and consumption of all beverages containing more than 1 percent alcohol.
A meeting of lawmakers in the House Legislation Body (Baleg) on Monday approved the progress of the bill's deliberation to the next stage where lawmakers are set to ensure clauses in the bill do not contravene existing laws."
- See more at: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/04/14/prison-fines-await-drinkers.html#sthash. DSBQVFTq. Dpuf.What a bunch of dimwits. According to the article:
"Under the explanation section, the bill argues that 58 percent of criminal activities are due to the influence of alcohol, although it cited no scientific studies to back up this claim.
"Alcohol is also cited in the bill for causing memory loss, dementia, Alzheimer's, schizophrenia and other types of brain ailments. ".
Actually, scientific evidence is rapidly accumulating that moderate drinking, particularly of red wine, may significantly lower the risk of dementia and Alzheimer's as well as cardiovascular and other diseases. Yeah, if you become an alcoholic your health is put at risk, but probably not more so than from smoking the still-legal-in-Indonesia cigarettes (Indonesia having the highest rate of cigarette smoking among males in the world).
As to the claim that 58 percent of criminal activities are due to the influence of alcohol, I guess that means all those cops and government officials who solicit bribes (which to my mind probably represents a majority of all criminal acts in Indonesia) are drunkards. Isn't it nice to know that once this bill is passed, Indonesia's culture of criminal corruption will come to an end.
Natty... However, I don't think I've ever seen him post a single photo.Actually, he did post in every report pictures: I have seen his girl from BATS posted here, from Malioboro, and in places outside Jakarta. So, if you want to see them, check out his reports. .
I don't think that will have much effect on the locals. I don't believe any of them ever wear a condom.Including the rich local guys who go to Malioboro? I was always wondering about this, do they get "preferential treatment" and don't use condoms with the Indonesian dancers there?
Medellin Kuya
04-15-15, 04:31
Been using Tinder and adding girls to my "Jakarta" group on Facebook. By the time I go I should have 50-100 girls on the list. Already at 30 some from just 2 weeks of use.
Member #4537
04-15-15, 23:56
I was always wondering about this, do they get "preferential treatment" and don't use condoms with the Indonesian dancers there?Nothing to do with preferential treatment. If you are able to sweet talk them into it and have a few red notes handy, you'll get bareback with practically any hooker you want in Jakarta.
Hello everyone,
Not just if this is the right topic to post this kind of request, if not please redirect.
In a month ill be moving to Jakarta for an internship for at least 6 months. And reading this topic made me really interested in the sex scene there. But this topic is also somewhat confusing. There's no summary of where to go and what the prices are. I like to go there prepared so there for this question. I know that there's a lot of information to be found on this topic but there is also a lot of old information and prices that have been going up the last few years.
Can anybody help me with an overall summary of the prostitution possibilities in Jakarta? I am Dutch so I know my money is worth more over there, but yet I am still a intern, so expensive clubs where I have to pay 4 million for a girl are a little bit overpriced for me.
- What are the cheapest options?
- Are there places where me being a 25 year old white male, who's good looking take down the price a little?
- Are there places I can go for just a quickly? (with a "quickly price") I've done the math and for me 500.000 for good service for at least an hour is a good price.
- Maybe some additional hotel names?
Sorry if this request is misplaced here, I am new to this site, and new to the prostitution game in general.
I thank you all.
LifeIsABeach
04-16-15, 07:10
Nothing to do with preferential treatment. If you are able to sweet talk them into it and have a few red notes handy, you'll get bareback with practically any hooker you want in Jakarta.I barebacked all the time while I was in Indonesia last time. I am not rich nor a rich local guy. Just pleasant, dress well and treat women with respect. Did not take much smooth talking or extra cash.
Hello everybody,
First of all I am new to both this forum as to paying for woman in general. Second of all I hope these kind of post are allowed in this topic, otherwise please redirect.
I will move to Jakarta in a few weeks for an internship for 4 months. And there for I want to go prepared. I've been searching a lot this forum but the information is so different. And I know my money is worth more in Jakarta, the prices are rising and I am looking for some real recent information. So I hope somebody can help me out and give me a summary of the possibilities in Jakarta. Even though my Euros are worth more there I am still an intern, so the 4 million escort service are a bit above my budget.
- What is the cheapest possibility in Jakarta? Even if it's just for a quickly, I heard something about somewhere near a train station they will do it for 50.000??
- Can somebody summarize the possibilities and prices?
- I think a reasonable amount for me is 500.000 what is the best option for this amount? (this is reasonable for weekends, of course exceptions can be made from time to time).
- And are there places the price will drop if they see that I am White / handsome / young? Was reading somethings about plaza's?
I would be so thankful if somebody could make some sort of guide of direct me to an existing and recent one.
Thank so much, and of course during my time in Jakarta I would be happy to post some reports and photo's of my experiences.
Across Indonesia bareback is a default. It is not just in Jakarta, Surabaya, Bali, Batam but across Indonesia. Some even will ask you to buy condom yourself (available on the spot) if you want to use condom.
While HIV is not common, Just be aware of STD.
Actually, he did post in every report pictures: I have seen his girl from BATS posted here, from Malioboro, and in places outside Jakarta. So, if you want to see them, check out his reports. .Looks like he does post pictures. Just never in the photo gallery. I stand corrected.
....alcohol sales was banned in ALL mini-marts (including Bali) this month.
As I heard: except Bali.
I'm here now and everyone get his Alcohol.
Medellin Kuya
04-16-15, 16:02
Hello everybody,
First of all I am new to both this forum as to paying for woman in general. Second of all I hope these kind of post are allowed in this topic, otherwise please redirect.
I will move to Jakarta in a few weeks for an internship for 4 months. And there for I want to go prepared. I've been searching a lot this forum but the information is so different. And I know my money is worth more in Jakarta, the prices are rising and I am looking for some real recent information. So I hope somebody can help me out and give me a summary of the possibilities in Jakarta. Even though my Euros are worth more there I am still an intern, so the 4 million escort service are a bit above my budget.
- What is the cheapest possibility in Jakarta? Even if it's just for a quickly, I heard something about somewhere near a train station they will do it for 50.000??.How old are you?
Assuming Jakarta is anything like Manila or Bangkok.
If you are below 40 years old white male and not obese / fat than you do not even need to pay for any sex. You should be swimming in free pussy from online.
As for prices, cheapest (decent) options seem to be like 350 k (Hotel Classic / Travel).
Member #4537
04-16-15, 16:50
How old are you?
Assuming Jakarta is anything like Manila or Bangkok.
If you are below 40 years old white male and not obese / fat than you do not even need to pay for any sex. You should be swimming in free pussy from online.
As for prices, cheapest (decent) options seem to be like 350 k (Hotel Classic / Travel).I wouldn't say as easy as Manila but definitely a notch higher than Bangkok. Something I've learned over the years is you'll have better chances if you avoid communicating in Bahasa and pretend you're still new in the country.
And 350 k isn't the cheapest in town but you're close.
Traveler1234
04-16-15, 16:57
Hello everybody,
First of all I am new to both this forum as to paying for woman in general.
- And are there places the price will drop if they see that I am White / handsome / young?
Thank so much, and of course during my time in Jakarta I would be happy to post some reports and photo's of my experiences.Do a search on Natty Bumpo's recent posts as a starter. Some will say you can get free pussy as young bule but my father told me 40+ years ago, NO such thing as freebies. YMMV.
my father told me 40+ years ago, NO such thing as freebies.The most expensive pussy I've ever had was "free" pussy. I prefer to pay up front and keep it simple.
From my limited, ten day experience, getting laid for free in Jakarta was as easy as anywhere I have been in the last ten years (and I have traveled a whole lot!
Of course, this all depends on one's "game"- broadly defined, looks, ect.
And as others have said, paying for it is easier, and often, cheaper..
As I heard: except Bali.
I'm here now and everyone get his Alcohol.Yes mate, like many decisions in this country. A backflip occurred at the eleventh hour.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/04/17/bali-tourist-areas-exempt-beer-ban.html
However. This is a worry for the rest of us.
The ruling Indonesian Democratic Party of Struggle (PDI-P), the Golkar Party and the Democratic Party respectively the largest party and second- and fourth-largest parties in the House of Representatives -- have agreed to the deliberation of the bill.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/04/15/bill-alcohol-prohibition-gets-secular-backing.html
The most expensive pussy I've ever had was "free" pussy. I prefer to pay up front and keep it simple.So true, just ask my ex wife how much she got from me over the years.
Has anyone taken the Transjakarta busway. Seems to be cheap and said to have own dedicated bus lane to avoid the traffic. Is this worth using?
Also, my departing flight for upcoming trip will depart at 6 am. Which would mean I have to arrive at airport at 4 am. If I allow about 1 HR travel time that means leaving hotel at 3 am. Will there be a problem getting a taxi that will go to airport at that time? I know some taxi will be reluctant to go to airport at that time as they may not get a return trip with passenger at that hour. Any thoughts if problem then I may have to head to airport earlier ex. 11 pm or 12 midnight when more taxi available.
And 350 k isn't the cheapest in town but you're close.So aside from a freebie, what would be the cheapest bang in Jakarta in an ok brothel? I heard some SW by the train stations in a tent? Could be had for $5-10 but that's the lowest form of banging and not what I call an ok brothel with a reasonable room.
Hello everyone,
Not just if this is the right topic to post this kind of request, if not please redirect.
In a month ill be moving to Jakarta for an internship for at least 6 months. And reading this topic made me really interested in the sex scene there. But this topic is also somewhat confusing. There's no summary of where to go and what the prices are. I like to go there prepared so there for this question. I know that there's a lot of information to be found on this topic but there is also a lot of old information and prices that have been going up the last few years.
Can anybody help me with an overall summary of the prostitution possibilities in Jakarta? I am Dutch so I know my money is worth more over there, but yet I am still a intern, so expensive clubs where I have to pay 4 million for a girl are a little bit overpriced for me.
- What are the cheapest options?
- Are there places where me being a 25 year old white male, who's good looking take down the price a little?
- Are there places I can go for just a quickly? (with a "quickly price") I've done the math and for me 500.000 for good service for at least an hour is a good price.
- Maybe some additional hotel names?
Sorry if this request is misplaced here, I am new to this site, and new to the prostitution game in general.
I thank you all.I'm also going soon to Jakarta. From what I read so far, the cheapest options with no hassle would be Travel, Classic at about 350,000 and King Cross at about 380,000-- not sure if King Cross also charge for a room or have a cover charge if the 380,000 is all in.
I've read some can get a SW in a tent for 50,000 as some have posted in other forums but sure that quality will be none along with possible diseases not yet named. Have not been there yet so just guessing. I plan for Jakarta trip later this yr, maybe Nov.
Ahok announced in November last year Kalijodo would be closing soon. Similar to Dolly in SBY.
I was in Kalijodo Saturday afternoon, this wasnt a mongering visit for. Just having a stroll and a bo-peep, as I was nearby at Taman Angrekk.
Seems to me the place is still very much alive and kicking with the usual type of dodgy crowd, usual activities. (quieter of course as it was late arvo).
So I am not sure when it will close, but it hasnt yet!Heard this place was mainly for the locals so why the rush for closure?
Also, what's the going rate here for a quickie?
Yes mate, like many decisions in this country. A backflip occurred at the eleventh hour.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/04/17/bali-tourist-areas-exempt-beer-ban.html
However. This is a worry for the rest of us.
The ruling Indonesian Democratic Party of Struggle (PDI-P), the Golkar Party and the Democratic Party respectively the largest party and second- and fourth-largest parties in the House of Representatives -- have agreed to the deliberation of the bill.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/04/15/bill-alcohol-prohibition-gets-secular-backing.htmlI very much doubt that the booze ban will be as tough as the one proposed, it seems more along the lines of a kite-flying exercise by the Muslim parties and when the "secular" (pah!) parties get much less stringent controls, (but controls nonetheless) it will be hailed as a remarkable victory for tolerance and good sense and proof again what a sensible, moderate, nation Indonesia is.
However, the end result will be another step down the slippery slope / one more straw in the wind / thin end of the wedge* (*delete cliche as appropriate). The new restrictions will also be seen as very lucrative avenues for shake-downs and rent-seeking by government agents and policemen.
The overall result, like the porn ban, like the "you may wear / now you must wear" jilbab rules for schoolkids, government workers and now polwan, like the most recently imposed beer sales ban in mini-markets, will be another granny step toward a much more restrictive future.
The fun days are not yet over, and fun will always be available, if you know where to look for it and are willing to pay extra, but there can now be no doubt that the old free-wheeling, semi-lawless days of Jakarta that brought us all here in the first place, are coming to a very obvious end. I also note a rising sense of anti-foreigner hostility creeping into the political (though as yet not social) conversation, that also doesn't bode well.
Your humble correspondent would at this point like to say that he has been warning about this for some time.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta&p=1642175
I'm also going soon to Jakarta. From what I read so far, the cheapest options with no hassle would be Travel, Classic at about 350,000 and King Cross at about 380,000-- not sure if King Cross also charge for a room or have a cover charge if the 380,000 is all in.
I've read some can get a SW in a tent for 50,000 as some have posted in other forums but sure that quality will be none along with possible diseases not yet named. Have not been there yet so just guessing. I plan for Jakarta trip later this yr, maybe Nov.Can you give some further details about Travel and Classic?
And respond to the question about my age: I am 24, and good looking, especially in Asia I am aware. But I don't like the hassle and games that come along from scoring one night stands. I've grown to old for these things. That is why prostitution is suited for me, just a fun night without a whole play upfront.
BTW, I've set tinder to Jakarta just to see how my market value is. I have got a list of 250 matches in one week, but most of these girls appear to be Muslim? So I doubt that I can get them to join me for an bedroom adventure before a wedding ceremony.
Member #4537
04-17-15, 12:31
King Cross at about 380,000-- not sure if King Cross also charge for a room or have a cover charge if the 380,000 is all in.375 k is all in but there are different categories and last time I took a local one for 700++.
There are also PRC and Vietnamese imports for a cool million, still a good price compared to Malio, Alexis and Bunker.
375 k is all in but there are different categories and last time I took a local one for 700++.
There are also PRC and Vietnamese imports for a cool million, still a good price compared to Malio, Alexis and Bunker.I didn't know they had locals that expensive. But it's not surprising. I thought the quality of local girls at Kings Cross was better than at Malioboro or Alexis. (Of course, the quality of girls at any place in town varies month to month).
... but most of these girls appear to be Muslim? So I doubt that I can get them to join me for an bedroom adventure before a wedding ceremony.Indonesian girls, the vast majority of whom are Muslim, are (in my limited estimation) are perhaps the most PSE of the Asian women I've had the pleasure of renting; Go figure the religion deal (indeed, considering the sad state of world affairs, we should enjoy it while we can, since the fundamentalists are swarming their way across the planet unchecked). To quote one of my favorite Wan Chai Indo DH / freelancers: "I don't eat pork, but I love to eat cock!
Medellin Kuya
04-18-15, 07:12
Can you give some further details about Travel and Classic?
And respond to the question about my age: I am 24, and good looking, especially in Asia I am aware. But I don't like the hassle and games that come along from scoring one night stands. I've grown to old for these things. That is why prostitution is suited for me, just a fun night without a whole play upfront.
BTW, I've set tinder to Jakarta just to see how my market value is. I have got a list of 250 matches in one week, but most of these girls appear to be Muslim? So I doubt that I can get them to join me for an bedroom adventure before a wedding ceremony.Don't like the hassle? There is no hassle. Simply message girls online and invite them to your hotel to watch a movie or go swimming.
Easy peasy.
Double Shooter
04-18-15, 10:01
The Shooter was on a short business trip and had no time for peripheral adventures. So after a hard's day slog and a business dinner, he and the Accountant grabbed a bluebird to CJ's.
CJ's is actually the Shooter's favourite in Jakarta. It is well designed, with 3 bars and a "quiet area" for chatting. There is a live band that is pretty good albeit not as talented as the one in BATS. Above all, it's a big place and there are hundreds of hotties.
Of course, it's not the cheapest place in Jakarta, yet at around $100 for the night it's not going to break the budget of the visiting businessman. 150 k to enter (including 1 drink) and about the same for drinks.
As it happened, it was Wednesday night, which is Ladies Night, so there were a lot of semi-pros. The Shooter was immediately accosted upon entry by a SYT. She was pretty good, a beautiful boat race with a slightly dumpy body. Unfortunately her personality while pleasant was a bit flat. He took that as a warning sign of a flat performance in the sack, so he ditched her and went in search of fresh pastures.
He chanced upon some girl from the provinces, plainly dressed in jeans and top, an anomaly compared to the other girls in nightclub gear. The Shooter instinctively knew she would be a tigress in the sack. Yet her body was just not good enough in this company, so he had to let her go.
Next interview was with a tall girl with a spectacularly pretty face. She was very sweet. Undoubtedly would be a good lay if you like the submissive type. Unfortunately up close he noticed that her hips and thighs were very big, so he made his excuses. The look of disappointment on her face was almost heartbreaking.
Like a day in the life of a rock star.
He headed back to the quiet bar. 4 girls got off their stools and stood in a vogue style pose for his benefit. All pretty as hell. He chose an older one with a banging body under a great dress. The clincher was her naughty smile.
Amazingly she was 38 years old. Totally refreshing in her attitude and an intelligent conversationalist. Ran her own little business. A lot of guys won't touch a girl above 25, but the Shooter loves Asian MILFs. He was smitten.
Meanwhile, the Accountant had taken the first girl who approached him. As usual. She was probably in the bottom 30% of the CJ population. Yet she had exotic features which at the right angle were very seductive. She glanced over at the Shooter. It's funny how a single look can communicate so much. This one said "I can fuck you sideways for a week without pausing for breath". So perhaps the Accountant's choice was not so poor.
Back in the room the MILF was hungry for white sausage. She pulled down his pants and started gobbling. No time for shower or even full disrobing. Her body was perfect: hour glass figure, big boobs and flat stomach. Not an ounce of fat.
She declared she wanted to swallow his cum. He tried his best but could not deliver his payload via the oral channel. So she insisted on bareback cowboy. Her pussy was incredibly tight. He could not hold back and he CIP'd.
It was another great session with a horny Indo girl. At no point was money discussed. In the morning he put a million in her bag, which she accepted without comment. What a great city!
I will be in Jakarta from the 11-16th of July this year, which I gather is also the last week of Ramadan. Since Ramadan is a month long I'm not sure how devout everyone is during this entire period and whether there are some parts that are more intense in the observance than others. I'm also unsure how this would impact a club circuit since presumably (I'm very ignorant here and I know it) the more devout muslims wouldn't be out drinking anyway. Should I expect some complete closures during this period or only a significant decrease in girl volume?
Double Shooter
04-18-15, 23:07
The Shooter's afternoon meetings were cancelled, so he wandered down to the Ambassador Mall for a stroll. It's a fairly shitty place, so he didn't stay long. No signs of interest from any local lasses.
Upon exiting he noticed a spa to the right, so he popped in for a pedicure. After leaving there he noticed another spa to the left. There was a tiny entrance leading to an elevator. Upstairs he booked a massage and scrub for an implausibly small sum.
After disrobing in a well-appointed locker room, and donning baggy shorts and a dressing gown, he went upstairs to the massage rooms. It was basically a large room with partitioned massage cubicles and curtained entrances. Mattress on the floor with a face hole.
The masseuse came in after a few minutes. She was a fat old lady, so any lingering thoughts of hanky panky immediately disappeared. The massage was very good, she had strong hands.
On the flip, the Shooter was surprised when she pulled his leg out to 45 degrees and reached under his shorts massaging all the way up to his inner thigh, occasionally brushing his Johnson. He was amazed when she massaged his testicles, not sensuously, but with a degree of vigour like a massage of any other body part. He was astonished that his body responded to this stimulus with a raging boner. Keeping his eyes closed was probably a factor.
When she popped the question of extras, he assented out of pure curiosity. She wanted the ridiculous amount of 400 k. Eventually they settled on the unreasonable (by local standards) amount of 300 k. He knew he could negotiate lower, but he couldn't be arsed.
The HJ was skilfully executed. She clearly had had a lot of practice. Yet she could not quite bust the nut. The interesting part was when she pushed him onto his side, propped up on elbows and knees, while she reached under his arse to execute the HJ from that unusual position. That almost did the trick but not quite because it was an uncomfortable position to maintain.
Eventually after 20 minutes or so the Shooter called time on the HJ and preserved his resources for the evenings activities. She continued with the scrub, which was an odd affair with sachets of powder that she rubbed into his body. Afterward he relaxed in the steam room, plunge pool and jacuzzi. Soft drinks were included.
The Accountant told the same story: an unattractive masseuse, a great massage and a skilful HJ.
He emerged relaxed and energized, ready for the evening activities.
Double Shooter
04-18-15, 23:09
Day 4 was the Shooter's last night in town. He arranged to meet the horny Tagged chick from day 1. He asked her to bring her friend for the Accountant.
They met at 9 in the Marriott bar. The Accountant was delighted by his bllnd date: tall and slim with model looks. She was not a pro but a workmate of the Shooter's chick.
The Marriott bar is classy but quiet. There were a few WGs at the bar, older chicks and not tempting.
The girls wanted to see some live music. They suggested CJs. It is interesting that Indo girls don't seem to mind hooker bars, provided there is an upmarket vibe. The Shooter preferred to try out BATS, so off they went.
BATS was busy but not overwhelming. Some stunners there but a lot of average material also. Not as much choice as CJs. Having said that, most guys only have one dick, and there is no obligation to shag the entire bar.
BATS has better lighting than CJs, so the General can survey the field of battle and assess where to engage the enemy. Also the band is better, they have been there for years. It is clear that the big black singer is enjoying the perks of his employment: he is popular with several of the ladies at the bar.
Meanwhile the two girls were enjoying themselves, getting sozzled on caipiroskas and bopping to the music. They even dragged the Accountant to the dance floor, where he attempted some form of body motion that might be loosely interpreted as dancing. It was evident that the girls led a humdrum daily existence and a night on the town was an exciting experience for them.
Back in the room, the Shooters girl was well up for it. She declared that she loved sucking cock and was ready to do it all night if he wanted. Fucking hell. To prove it, after 10 minutes of BJ she put his hand on her pussy and sure enough she was soaking wet.
It was a great night and the Shooter's CDS stayed unopened on the bedside table. The highlight was her reverse cowboy. While the Shooter watched her fantastic ass bouncing up and down on his cock, she frigged her clit and squirted onto his balls. The sensation was tremendous and he squirted his own seed into her pussy.
She was ready to go all night but he needed a rest after that. In the morning she insisted on a BBBJCIM. That took a long time, but she was very patient and eventually she milked his dick with her hand with the head in her mouth. He came copiously and she swallowed the lot. Fucking brilliant.
Of course, no money was discussed. He put a million in her bag.
The Accountant also had a great experience. His chick was inexperienced and submissive. Just how he likes them. Her body was exactly to his taste. He had restrained himself in the bar, consuming mostly unfortified colas, in order to conserve his energy to fuck her senseless. And that is what he did. A perfect ending to the week.
Mighty Spearsman
04-19-15, 01:27
I will be in Jakarta from the 11-16th of July this year, which I gather is also the last week of Ramadan. Since Ramadan is a month long I'm not sure how devout everyone is during this entire period and whether there are some parts that are more intense in the observance than others. I'm also unsure how this would impact a club circuit since presumably (I'm very ignorant here and I know it) the more devout Muslims wouldn't be out drinking anyway. Should I expect some complete closures during this period or only a significant decrease in girl volume?To get to the point. If your main objective is to monger, you've chosen the single worst week of the entire year to visit Jakarta!
There's been numerous posts written by me and others in the past about this topic. Virtually all of the free-standing MPs shut down totally for Ramadan, with most of the female workers travelling back to their home villages until after the Eid (Lebaran) celebration is over. The MPs that are located in hotels, such as Malioboro and Alexis, remain open during Ramadan but are decidedly more low-key, with few girls working as well. The hotel bars / clubs also keep a much lower profile.
The last week of Ramadan is the quietest week of the year, with even fewer girls available and most of the night action is hidden. Unless you're in town for your job (highly unlikely since you won't get much done or find many Indonesians available to meet with you), you may want to consider flying to Bali for the week. Yes, you may be able to hook up with some girls using Tinder and other web / smartphone apps, but even that will be low-key.
Good luck! And I look forward to reading your trip report on what happened to you during your visit.
Indonesian girls, the vast majority of whom are Muslim, are (in my limited estimation) are perhaps the most PSE of the Asian women I've had the pleasure of renting; Go figure the religion deal (indeed, considering the sad state of world affairs, we should enjoy it while we can, since the fundamentalists are swarming their way across the planet unchecked). To quote one of my favorite Wan Chai Indo DH / freelancers: "I don't eat pork, but I love to eat cock!Sounds right to me.
Fast Eddie 48
04-20-15, 00:38
Has anyone taken the Transjakarta busway. Seems to be cheap and said to have own dedicated bus lane to avoid the traffic. Is this worth using?
Also, my departing flight for upcoming trip will depart at 6 am. Which would mean I have to arrive at airport at 4 am. If I allow about 1 HR travel time that means leaving hotel at 3 am. Will there be a problem getting a taxi that will go to airport at that time? I know some taxi will be reluctant to go to airport at that time as they may not get a return trip with passenger at that hour. Any thoughts if problem then I may have to head to airport earlier ex. 11 pm or 12 midnight when more taxi available.To Freezone.
The busway is good during off hour but during rush HR is too crowded and a lot of pick pocket I have my smart phone stolen last yr, just take the taxi is very cheap but again avoid rush HR, I have the same issue on early flight if you check out 3 am from the hotel taxi is about 45 min from Mangar besar area cost me 110 k with toll why do you want to stay at the airport for 6 HR and waste a night there.
Fast eddie 48.
Master Diver II
04-20-15, 07:05
Can you give some further details about Travel and Classic?
And respond to the question about my age: I am 24, and good looking, especially in Asia I am aware. But I don't like the hassle and games that come along from scoring one night stands. I've grown to old for these things. That is why prostitution is suited for me, just a fun night without a whole play upfront.
BTW, I've set tinder to Jakarta just to see how my market value is. I have got a list of 250 matches in one week, but most of these girls appear to be Muslim? So I doubt that I can get them to join me for an bedroom adventure before a wedding ceremony.As others have said before me, religion is not a barrier at all here. I even have women wearing the hijab telling me what they will do to me that you would definitely not expect. They will normally remove the headscarf before any action, although I have had a couple of occasions when things started before the removal thereof. There is no problem or hassle with freebies (hell I'm 50, married with kids, upfront about it all and have had no problems as such). I do however normally chat beforehand, so they do know what the situation is regarding our meetings before ever meeting in person. I don't see problems as long as you don't mislead them or make false promises (like someone who was previously posting here did).
As for Travel and Classic, there's been so much written here that you should just use the search function and just RTFF. Their rates fall well within your budget if you wish to try them out. If I was in Jakarta for 6 months I know which route I would take. Good luck.
Just noticed some kind of star rating next to the poster's name. When did that start?
MD II.
Just noticed some kind of star rating next to the poster's name. When did that start?
MD II.Ok, so I'm a nerd and I had to investigate! I don't know when this star was applied, but it turns green when the member is on line / logged into ISG. You can look at your old reports without logging into ISG and the star is "off" log on and, voila, it's green.
Probably only you and I give a rat's ass about it! TTG.
Ok, so I'm a nerd and I had to investigate! I don't know when this star was applied, but it turns green when the member is on line / logged into ISG. You can look at your old reports without logging into ISG and the star is "off" log on and, voila, it's green.
Probably only you and I give a rat's ass about it! TTG.I think you're confused. Well, at least in my account it is the small dot next to my handle that changes colors. And I think MD refers to the stars at the right side of the rosette under the handle.
Maybe the number of stars is linked to the number of postings.
To get to the point. If your main objective is to monger, you've chosen the single worst week of the entire year to visit Jakarta!
There's been numerous posts written by me and others in the past about this topic. Virtually all of the free-standing MPs shut down totally for Ramadan, with most of the female workers travelling back to their home villages until after the Eid (Lebaran) celebration is over. The MPs that are located in hotels, such as Malioboro and Alexis, remain open during Ramadan but are decidedly more low-key, with few girls working as well. The hotel bars / clubs also keep a much lower profile.
The last week of Ramadan is the quietest week of the year, with even fewer girls available and most of the night action is hidden. Unless you're in town for your job (highly unlikely since you won't get much done or find many Indonesians available to meet with you), you may want to consider flying to Bali for the week. Yes, you may be able to hook up with some girls using Tinder and other web / smartphone apps, but even that will be low-key.
Good luck! And I look forward to reading your trip report on what happened to you during your visit.Yeah, I was afraid it might be something like that. I have never been in a Muslim country during Ramadan and didn't know what to expect. I'll look at my options to see what I can do, and maybe add Bali into the mix, but I have to be in Indonesia for those dates so it's a case of making the best of a bad situation. Any other guidance you guys can provide will be greatly appreciated, and yes, I'll be reporting back on the results, one way or the other.
Joel Goodsen
04-21-15, 00:39
I do however normally chat beforehand, so they do know what the situation is regarding our meetings before ever meeting in person. I don't see problems as long as you don't mislead them or make false promises (like someone who was previously posting here did).
MD II.Same here. Works for me. I even post my own photo's on the dating sites. Explaining the situation beforehand, never problem. Girls can be surprisingly flexible.
But, if I was a 24 yo good looking bloke in Jakarta, I would definitely go to the bars. It is just too much fun. Check the Jakarta 100 bar site, Koopoen.
Same here. Works for me. I even post my own photo's on the dating sites. Explaining the situation beforehand, never problem. Girls can be surprisingly flexible.
But, if I was a 24 yo good looking bloke in Jakarta, I would definitely go to the bars. It is just too much fun. Check the Jakarta 100 bar site, Koopoen.Indeed. The talent at the trendy midtown bars is outstanding. A few of the best looking women I have ever seen were at Lucy in the Sky and a couple of the trendy bars in the same complex- I plan on hitting them again in August. A bit of youth and game would yield wonders if someone wanted to work for it (a big if). Even at near 50 (much younger looking though, and I do lie about my age, tee hee), I was able to score several freebies during my last trip, both from dating sites and the real world.
As I mentioned in my trip report last month, it was one of the best trips of my mongering life.
A few issues that have been raised and which have been more than adequately addressed in the forum in the past (very recent past in the case of the Busway) but which for the sake of convenience can be dealt with briskly before I want to discuss an important issue on the dating sites.
1) Last week in Ramadhan: Why on earth anyone would have any reason to visit Jakarta on that particular week I have no idea, it would be like going to the City of London or Wall Street on Christmas morning looking to cut some business deals. There is neither need nor reason to be in Jakarta that week, it is without question the worst possible time to visit Jakarta unless you have some mad desire to drive up and down traffic-free streets looking at closed up shops, offices and bars. Nuff said.
2) Muslim ladies: Go visit the photo gallery, scroll back as far as you like, there are over 3000 photos posted there of naked and scantily clad Indonesian women engaging in fornication and other haram activities. At a best guess 99.9% of those ladies are Muslims. I hope that sets anyone's mind at ease on that score.
3) Busway: As stated by myself and another senior poster only a page or so back the Busway, Koridor 1 particularly, used to be a hobbyist's dream form of transport, not so now. It is over-crowded, clapped out and due to the never-ending roadworks no faster and less comfortable than a taxi.
Now to important business. Dating apps and one particular pitfall therein, photos.
Allow me to digress, a few years ago I was looking to buy a second-hand car, I had planned on a reasonably priced sedan but saw a very nice BMW within my budget. The salesman said it was a great car but was going cheap due to a problem with its electronics, a problem that could probably be sorted out for no great expense. A friend I had brought along dissuaded me from buying it, "It's a screw" said he before moving on. Intrigued I asked him what a "screw" was (in that context obviously), he explained that his father had been a cattle dealer, and said that if you bought ten healthy looking beasts the probability was that one of them would turn out to be sick, a screw in other words, so knowing this one should never buy an animal that you can already see is a screw, the BMW was just one such screw.
So what's my point? Well I was engaging on and off with a lady from Tinder the other week, a divorcee early 30's, not usually my age range but I like hitting on the bored housewives from time to time. She was recovering from a painful divorce and hadn't seen anyone since the break-up and was originally very reserved about meeting me. Eventually however the dam broke and she agreed to meet me, the agreement was plain, sex in a hotel room just for the sheer hell of it, she got quite excited with the idea and I got keen on the idea of bringing a nice MILF suburban housewife over to the dark side.
Having committed myself I then decided to examine her photos a bit more closely. Most of them were unclear (warning sign) but from what I could see she was a well-stacked pleasantly cheerful woman in a nice home, although there was something odd about the features of her face. Who cares? Thought I, photos can never really capture the beauty of Indonesian women, even if she's only a 6. 5 she's a freebie and mad keen for it, I can pick her up on the way home, what's the worst that could happen?
Well the worst that could happen was a hefty, overweight (never mistake well-stacked for obese) frankly ugly woman in frumpy clothes stepping into my car with a lascivious leer on her face looking to play hide the sausage with her first bule stud. I smiled weakly as I pulled into the traffic but inside I was appalled at my stupidity, I had committed the basic schoolboy error of not arranging to meet in daylight prior to agreeing a hook up, and now I had this heffalump alongside me as I cruised through the rush-hour traffic of South Jakarta, who was expecting me to transport her into raptures of carnal delight. I couldn't do it, I simply couldn't.
Fortunately at that moment my phone received a couple of spam SMS messages from my telkom provider, the urgent ring tone gave me my out, "Oh no, it's my wife, she saw me pick you up outside the mall, oh God, what have I done? She's going to kill me, quick we need to get out of here!" I dropped her off at a taxi rank with enough cash to get her safely home, shouting my undying love and sincerest apologies as I sped off.
Gallant? No. A moment to be proud of? Certainly not. But a lesson well-learned, check the photos guys, if she looks like a screw, and not in the good sense, swipe to the right.
Member #4716
04-21-15, 18:10
As others have said before me, religion is not a barrier at all here. I even have women wearing the hijab telling me what they will do to me that you would definitely not expect. They will normally remove the headscarf before any action, although I have had a couple of occasions when things started before the removal thereof. There is no problem or hassle with freebies (hell I'm 50, married with kids, upfront about it all and have had no problems as such). I do however normally chat beforehand, so they do know what the situation is regarding our meetings before ever meeting in person. I don't see problems as long as you don't mislead them or make false promises (like someone who was previously posting here did).
As for Travel and Classic, there's been so much written here that you should just use the search function and just RTFF. Their rates fall well within your budget if you wish to try them out. If I was in Jakarta for 6 months I know which route I would take. Good luck.
Just noticed some kind of star rating next to the poster's name. When did that start?
MD II.Master Diver II.
Let me get this straight: On dating sites, you tell women that you are 50 and married with kids, and most of the good-looking women are cool with that? What age range of girls do you pull? It seems like most would get involved with a bule if there was a possibility of you marrying them and sweeping them off their feet.
Clear Water
04-21-15, 22:36
I will be in Jakarta from the 11-16th of July this year, which I gather is also the last week of Ramadan. Since Ramadan is a month long I'm not sure how devout everyone is during this entire period and whether there are some parts that are more intense in the observance than others. I'm also unsure how this would impact a club circuit since presumably (I'm very ignorant here and I know it) the more devout muslims wouldn't be out drinking anyway. Should I expect some complete closures during this period or only a significant decrease in girl volume?Yes it is quite. Very quite and traffic is good because of that. The week leading up to Eid al-Fitr the girls at Blok-M still avail but quite. All the alcohol is put away and drinking is kept to a discreet level. The Girls will be older though as most of the young ones will be gone to visit family. On Friday the 17th Fitr day I believe all serving of alcohol is banned and most of the bars clubs are shut. Including Blok-M. But I have been reliable informed one can still have at drink at the Hotel Borobudur. Good luck best to get some numbers of girls the week before and ring them up for some company. You never know there are quite a few lonely souls that would love some company at that time.
Joel Goodsen
04-22-15, 02:07
Indeed. The talent at the trendy midtown bars is outstanding. A few of the best looking women I have ever seen were at Lucy in the Sky and a couple of the trendy bars in the same complex- I plan on hitting them again in August. A bit of youth and game would yield wonders if someone wanted to work for it (a big if). Even at near 50 (much younger looking though, and I do lie about my age, tee hee), I was able to score several freebies during my last trip, both from dating sites and the real world.
As I mentioned in my trip report last month, it was one of the best trips of my mongering life.Rules of the game. Lying about age is allowed. It makes a good date just a little bit sunnier.
Lucy in the Sky, never been, is it good? It was great to read the other day that the old Jaya pub has picked up again as a venue. It has that nice old fashioned pub atmosphere. I think that went missing in the blok, since a few years.
Joel Goodsen
04-22-15, 02:11
Well the worst that could happen was a hefty, overweight (never mistake well-stacked for obese) frankly ugly woman in frumpy clothes stepping into my car with a lascivious leer on her face looking to play hide the sausage with her first bule stud. I smiled weakly as I pulled into the traffic but inside I was appalled at my stupidity, I had committed the basic schoolboy error of not arranging to meet in daylight prior to agreeing a hook up, and now I had this heffalump alongside me as I cruised through the rush-hour traffic of South Jakarta, who was expecting me to transport her into raptures of carnal delight. I couldn't do it, I simply couldn't.I had a sweet whale approaching my coffee table once. I now use the social media, whatsapp and Skype to double check before hand. Saves time. Being sweet and intelligent, whale became a close friend. She shows me her dating scene conquests on a monthly basis. German eco-tourists, British ex SAS, American expats, German diplomats, English teachers. I stand amazed on the cunning of overweight ladies.
Master Diver II.
Let me get this straight: On dating sites, you tell women that you are 50 and married with kids, and most of the good-looking women are cool with that? What age range of girls do you pull? It seems like most would get involved with a bule if there was a possibility of you marrying them and sweeping them off their feet.That is exactly how I do it, have posted about it before. The good thing about this strategy is you weed out the husband hunters up front. Lots of women don't want to see you if you are married, but in my experience they are the ones you want to get rid of quickly anyway. So this just speeds up the process. Plenty of fish in the Jakarta sea that are happy to hook up with married bules for some 'taxi fare' and some that refuse money altogether.
Create a new profile with different pic / name and give it a try!
Master Diver II.
Let me get this straight: On dating sites, you tell women that you are 50 and married with kids, and most of the good-looking women are cool with that? What age range of girls do you pull? It seems like most would get involved with a bule if there was a possibility of you marrying them and sweeping them off their feet.You know the old story of the Englishman who arrives at the dance hall in rural Ireland? The girls are lined up prim and proper along one wall of the dance hall sipping their lemonades with the blokes lined up at the other end. The Englishman observes this one geezer walking down along the line, whispering in each girl's ear, and almost every time receiving a fierce slap in his face, the Englishman is fascinated and decides to ask the bold lad what on earth he is saying to them.
"I'm asking them if they want to fuck".
"Good heavens," says the Englishman, "you were getting an awful lot of slaps for your effrontery".
"Indeed so," says the boyo, "and I get an awful lot of fucks too".
So it is with the married bule in Jakarta who states openly that all he is looking for is uncomplicated sex with no strings attached. Maybe he gets rejected by 90% of the girls on the dating sites, but 10% don't and having cleared out the heffalumps (see below) that's still more than enough sex without the bother of prolonged courtship for any one man to handle.
It's Jakarta guys, you're a bule, you've already won the lottery ticket of life, there's actually not that much need to sugar coat the pill at this point.
Master Diver II.
Let me get this straight: On dating sites, you tell women that you are 50 and married with kids, and most of the good-looking women are cool with that? What age range of girls do you pull? It seems like most would get involved with a bule if there was a possibility of you marrying them and sweeping them off their feet.Your missing something here.
Lucy in the Sky, never been, is it good? It was great to read the other day that the old Jaya pub has picked up again as a venue. It has that nice old fashioned pub atmosphere. I think that went missing in the blok, since a few years.I missed that info about the Jaya pub re-opening. Is it at the same loco on Thamrin?
Yes it is quite. Very quite and traffic is good because of that. The week leading up to Eid al-Fitr the girls at Blok-M still avail but quite. All the alcohol is put away and drinking is kept to a discreet level. The Girls will be older though as most of the young ones will be gone to visit family. On Friday the 17th Fitr day I believe all serving of alcohol is banned and most of the bars clubs are shut. Including Blok-M. But I have been reliable informed one can still have at drink at the Hotel Borobudur. Good luck best to get some numbers of girls the week before and ring them up for some company. You never know there are quite a few lonely souls that would love some company at that time.Your only real option is to plan very well ahead. Find a girl who comes from Jakarta (and her family is still here), who is up for some hotel action. Don't forget to book a room with a bar fridge for some beers.
Plan it through the social media, will take some time to sift through, but it is possible.
I can't vouch for the Borobudur, but I do know the international hotel bars all serve alcohol (some disguised and some not). Or another option is the restaurants / bars which will serve you beer out of tea-cups. I won't mention any specially on here, as I don't want them to be targeted by the powers-to-be who read this forum. A little trial an error and you will soon find some. And yes, as ClearWater states the 17th will be a ghost town.
P.S. BATS, CJ's etc turn the lights on at 1. 30 not 3 am during all of Ramadan.
Master Diver II.
Let me get this straight: On dating sites, you tell women that you are 50 and married with kids, and most of the good-looking women are cool with that? What age range of girls do you pull? It seems like most would get involved with a bule if there was a possibility of you marrying them and sweeping them off their feet.If you see the looks of MDII and know his personality, you would know the reasons why women don't mind his status. Though you're right about many women targerting bule's for financial reasons, there is still a huge quantity of them, who just want to have a good time with a handsome and charming guy.
I had a sweet whale approaching my coffee table once. I now use the social media, whatsapp and Skype to double check before hand. Saves time. Being sweet and intelligent, whale became a close friend. She shows me her dating scene conquests on a monthly basis. German eco-tourists, British ex SAS, American expats, German diplomats, English teachers. I stand amazed on the cunning of overweight ladies.You know the old saying about large or overweight girls and scooters? It is lots of fun to go around with one until your friends see you. Since most of these guys who are dating her know that no one from home will see her, they just get on with it and have fun.
Irish Mongrel
04-22-15, 22:03
I will be in Jakarta from the 11-16th of July this year, which I gather is also the last week of Ramadan. Since Ramadan is a month long I'm not sure how devout everyone is during this entire period and whether there are some parts that are more intense in the observance than others. I'm also unsure how this would impact a club circuit since presumably (I'm very ignorant here and I know it) the more devout muslims wouldn't be out drinking anyway. Should I expect some complete closures during this period or only a significant decrease in girl volume?Unless things have changed, and I have been in the same situation as yourself, you'll find that BATS is open and will have a small number of girls, subdued music and drinks available. The down side is all the lights are on, so it's mongering in full glare. All other places that I have been to are closed. Blok, BATS and bars out in Kemang.
Member #4410
04-22-15, 22:50
I missed that info about the Jaya pub re-opening. Is it at the same loco on Thamrin?It is located to the rear of the building known as the Gedung Jaya (don't know if that's still the name). You go there, cross a short pedestrian bridge across a small river and there you are. The entrance to the pub is up a flight of stairs, if I remember correctly (haven't been there in 3 years). Have fun.
Thanks to all of you that have answered my question. The news is grim, but not totally unexpected. I will see if I can divert for more time in Bali and I'd better start burning up those internet girls now.
Will there be any issue importing liquor into Jakarta during Ramadan? By importing I mean through the airport, although I suspect that's fairly obvious. LOL.
Member #4716
04-23-15, 10:38
If you see the looks of MDII and know his personality, you would know the reasons why women don't mind his status. Though you're right about many women targerting bule's for financial reasons, there is still a huge quantity of them, who just want to have a good time with a handsome and charming guy.Interesting, Menteng. So looks do matter (for freebies, anyway). I'm in my 40's and chubby, so I guess not many hot women will want to sleep with a chubby married guy in his 40's? I guess that is what BATS is for. I plan to go to Jakarta in December.
I'm sorry I didn't share this before, but on one of my last activities, I went with JAD to Bintang Mawar. When a mamasan approached I told her what I was looking for. I told her that age, as long as it is not above 40, would not be an issue.
She nodded and after a couple of minutes, she pointed her finger towards one of the workers. I thought that was funny, because usually they come dragging one. The name of the indicated one was Tania and probably she's between 30 and 35 years old.
To make sure, I repeated my wishes and she said she'd love to do those things. We went upstairs, took a shower and then the action began. Great BBBJ and AR. No FR, because that was not what I was there for.
I finished in her mouth as was agreed on and not only she kept sucking till it felt funny, after showing it she swallowed the whole load.
She's Chinese. Not only recognizable by that, but also by her tattoos.
Interesting, Menteng. So looks do matter (for freebies, anyway). I'm in my 40's and chubby, so I guess not many hot women will want to sleep with a chubby married guy in his 40's? I guess that is what BATS is for. I plan to go to Jakarta in December.I forgot to mention that MDII is not a bule, so those, I think, are the requirements to succeed. If you are a bule, well, even without those qualities, your chances will be better than this non-bule's.
I'm sorry I didn't share this before, but on one of my last activities, I went with JAD to Bintang Mawar. When a mamasan approached I told her what I was looking for.JAD first took me to Bintang Mawar back in 2001. I've had some true gems there over the years. I'm not sure why, but it rarely ever gets mentioned on this forum.
Member #4410
04-23-15, 23:57
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To make sure, I repeated my wishes and she said she'd love to do those things. We went upstairs, took a shower and then the action began. Great BBBJ and AR. No FR, because that was not what I was there for.
I finished in her mouth as was agreed on and not only she kept sucking till it felt funny, after showing it she swallowed the whole load.
She's Chinese. Not only recognizable by that, but also by her tattoos.Sounds good. Forgive my ignorance, but where is Bintang Mawar?
Sounds good. Forgive my ignorance, but where is Bintang Mawar?Isn't that the place across from Siera, near Lokasari Plaza? Or am I confusing it with a similarly named place?
Master Diver II
04-24-15, 07:57
Master Diver II.
Let me get this straight: On dating sites, you tell women that you are 50 and married with kids, and most of the good-looking women are cool with that? What age range of girls do you pull? It seems like most would get involved with a bule if there was a possibility of you marrying them and sweeping them off their feet.Firstly, I'm not a bule; secondly why do you need to lie to women or hint that there's a possibility of marriage if there's not? My hook is I'm not going to BS you, I won't lie to you, but I will be nice to you and listen should you feel the need to talk; I am an extremely naughty guy but not a bad guy. They already know the game and like to ask what I mean about the naughty but not bad part. That's always a great conversation starter. Range is from 21 to 43. There have been the occasional woman who has needed some help with the kost money but at least 75-80% are true freebies. Best age range is 28-35 for the jandas who want some attention and are 6-7.5 in my estimation. Menteng and Jad know what my usual range is (Menteng if you remember Yati who met me at the Hard Rock, she was a 7.5 and if Jad remembers Ocha, she was an 8).
I met up with a 42 year old who came to meet me while I was on outstation work: she would be a 6.5, but for those into it, her natural 36Ds were really quite something. She's concerned about her reputation in Jakarta and liked the fact that I'm foreign and discrete. I'm her non-judgmental friend with whom she can say and do anything without any worries. It saves an awful lot of time if they know what to expect when they meet you (fastest meet til clothes all off was somewhere between 5-10 minutes for a 27 yo DIA and a 31 yo IC :D) and I do have a strict no BS policy (except about the name and age. I do give my real name in person and I claim to be 46 on the sites);).
Please note that my profile write up is copywrite protected and my SOP has passed ISO 9001, 9002 and has been registered and patented internationally. :D
If you see the looks of MDII and know his personality, you would know the reasons why women don't mind his status. Though you're right about many women targerting bule's for financial reasons, there is still a huge quantity of them, who just want to have a good time with a handsome and charming guy.I'm flattered by your posts as usual bro. Yes if I was a bule, it would be even easier; if I was a young good looking bule, I'd have to beat them off with a stick! However there are some of them who have expressed a preference for the more mature gentlemen such as ourselves as oppose to younger men. One is grateful for women with good taste.:)
MD II.
Sounds good. Forgive my ignorance, but where is Bintang Mawar?Thought this question could be assisted by a map under construction by the local Sinyors in Jakarta. Bintang Mawar Coffee House is located at 6L on the crozmap.
The crozmap has only been going for a few months and we're not IT experts by any means so it's too early to be flamed. It's not been built for weekend sexpats and many of the venues require a fairly good comprehension of one of the local bahasa to partake in.
http://crozmap.com/6L
The bigger picture.
http://crozmap.com/@jakarta-pp
I've really lost touch with what goes on in Blok M beyond probably Top Gun, so I'd appreciate a quick tour from a regular when I'm in town in 2 weeks time so I can sample then add worthy venues into the crozmap.
Tambora DJ.
Bintang Mawar Coffee House is located at 6L on the crozmap.They serve coffee there? Who knew? I don't think I've ever heard it called Bintang Mawar Coffee House before, just Bintang Mawar. I always thought it was a bar. I guess it's possible that coffee house is in the name of the place. The huge letters in the sign though are just Bintang Mawar.
They serve coffee there? Who knew? I don't think I've ever heard it called Bintang Mawar Coffee House before, just Bintang Mawar. I always thought it was a bar, I've never had anything other than beer there to drink. I guess it's possible that coffee house is in the name of the place. The huge letters in the sign though are just Bintang Mawar.The "Coffee House" thing goes back to the good old alcohol prohibition days when Bang Ali Sadikin was governor when hard spirits could only be bought either from Duty Free Shops (required something called a KIMS), Hotels and yes you've guessed it, coffee houses. Being a coffee house meant it had a late licence from the Army, much like Hotel means thare are short time rooms today. Many of the bars in Mabes and Menteng were called coffee houses. Thats's why Jaya Pub is recorded as the first Pub as every other bar was called a coffee house. There's a very very famous song called Kopi Dangdut that aludes to it all.
Best age range is 28-35 for the jandas who want some attention and are 6-7.5 in my estimation. Hammer. Nail. Head.
There are guys, like me most of the time, who want a simple life and will just go to a North / West Jakarta knocking shop for the point-and-shoot form of relief, or pick some trouper out of a Blok M bar. Then there are the guys, a bit younger, a bit more hip, who want to pick up "freebies" and so get on their finest duds to pick up the beautiful young things at Jakarta's trendiest night spots, giving it the white man's overbite as they strut their stuff on the dancefloor, hoping to attract some bored little rich kid or wannabe starlet. Both great options it must be said if that's what you are into, whatever floats your boat, go for it.
Meanwhile there is this vast untapped pool of attractive, intelligent, ordinary women who are often leading lives of quiet desperation, who simply want a bit of uncomplicated fun and attention from some nice guy who'll treat them well for an evening or two, and relieve them of their lives of tedious monotony.
I have described these types before but let me give an example, she'll stand in for the literally thousands of her sisters. Very attractive woman, 27 years of age, has a secretarial job with a government ministry, keeps herself in great shape by daily trips to the gym, and after a mere day and a half of chatting she made it plain she was willing to meet up for a late-afternoon hook-up, this despite her initial protestations, stated plainly on her profile, that she wasn't interested in sex and was merely seeking friendship. So why is she now willing to meet a married man in his late forties she barely knows for sex?
Simple: Boredom. The great give away is the age, she's 27 (I never bother tapping under 23's, a waste of time) and unmarried, so we know straight away she has been around the relationship block at least once, probably twice, and has had her heart broken. She's kinda getting on a bit in Indonesian terms but she has no desire to start another relationship and invest another two or three years in a guy that will end up jerking her around. So she keeps herself fit, she gets on with her job, she makes the daily commute from her kos or her family home in Bintaro or Depok into work and she is quite simply bored out of her tiny mind.
Some guy comes along, a foreigner, no one she knows will be acquainted with him, who listens to her woes about her singleton existence, tut-tuts and says the right words about how all men are shits and how she deserves better, and meets her for dinner and drinks at a nice restaurant, treats her like a lady and most importantly doesn't lie. That's the key, as MD II so admirably puts it "naughty but not bad", he openly tells her there is no possibility of a long-term relationship but there's plenty of possibility of good-old fashioned fun and great sex (never forget lads, Indonesian women like sex you know, they like it a lot) and it will be discreet and no one in her family or office will ever be the wiser.
What's not to like? It's win-win all round.
Member #4716
04-25-15, 08:52
Menteng, Hillo 77, and MasterDiver II.
Thank you! You have given this 40-something chubby guy hope for my trip to Jakarta in December.
Sounds good. Forgive my ignorance, but where is Bintang Mawar?Bintang Mawar was the most popular bar (back then in 1990's), where you got WGs. Located in jalan Mangga Besar v (5), not that far from Lokasari Mal (you can park your car and cross the little street to get there).
But now BM is no longer at the top, among locals. For a cheap fuck, now looks like Classic floor 2 and 5, and Travel hotel are more popular now. I rarely saw foreigners (bule) came to BM.
Of course if you want high end market, still Alexis and Malioboro at the top and provide import girls.
Hey Smoothy,
As you are a seasoned pro here Sir I was interested to hear your take on this as my recent experience left me feeling somewhat scammed.
On WC I was bombarded by massage proposals all of which seemed to be an outcall service offering Male Vitality Massage.
I picked the most appealing looking and after trading chat for well over an hour such as "what sort of massage? "how much, how long? "do you have a girl with large breasts?" etc, a time and deal was cooked up.
We continued to chat as she was supposedly on her way then close to the due time my last message was rejected as she had blocked me on WC! WTF?
I started the process with another and at the end exactly the same thing happened.
I can only guess it was a scam of some sort but I couldn't figure out how it could possibly work.
I was admittedly firm about the deal and refused to give my room details instead insisted on meeting in the hotel lobby to check the merch first but was always polite if perhaps a tad impatient after the second one still hadn't arrived after 45 minutes and yeah I know about the traffic here.
Odd and very frustrating in every sense.
Member #4410
04-25-15, 22:57
Thought this question could be assisted by a map under construction by the local Sinyors in Jakarta. Bintang Mawar Coffee House is located at 6L on the crozmap.
The crozmap has only been going for a few months and we're not IT experts by any means so it's too early to be flamed. It's not been built for weekend sexpats and many of the venues require a fairly good comprehension of one of the local bahasa to partake in.
http://crozmap.com/6L
The bigger picture.
http://crozmap.com/@jakarta-pp
I've really lost touch with what goes on in Blok M beyond probably Top Gun, so I'd appreciate a quick tour from a regular when I'm in town in 2 weeks time so I can sample then add worthy venues into the crozmap.
Tambora DJ.I gave it a quick look and I think it's a commendable effort. Thanks for putting it up.
Hey Smoothy,
As you are a seasoned pro here Sir I was interested to hear your take on this as my recent experience left me feeling somewhat scammed.
On WC I was bombarded by massage proposals all of which seemed to be an outcall service offering Male Vitality Massage.First, what is WC?
First, what is WC?WC is We Chat. Forgive my impertinent assumption.
Hey Smoothy,
As you are a seasoned pro here Sir I was interested to hear your take on this as my recent experience left me feeling somewhat scammed.
On WC I was bombarded by massage proposals all of which seemed to be an outcall service offering Male Vitality Massage.
I picked the most appealing looking and after trading chat for well over an hour such as "what sort of massage? "how much, how long? "do you have a girl with large breasts?" etc, a time and deal was cooked up.
We continued to chat as she was supposedly on her way then close to the due time my last message was rejected as she had blocked me on WC! WTF?
I started the process with another and at the end exactly the same thing happened.
I can only guess it was a scam of some sort but I couldn't figure out how it could possibly work.
I was admittedly firm about the deal and refused to give my room details instead insisted on meeting in the hotel lobby to check the merch first but was always polite if perhaps a tad impatient after the second one still hadn't arrived after 45 minutes and yeah I know about the traffic here.
Odd and very frustrating in every sense.I have never used we chat, I've always contacted them via text message to their phone or by phoning them directly. It's always been a guy I talked with, I've never spoken with a girl to arrange her coming to my place. I also always have them come directly to my room, I don't meet them in the lobby. There have been times I did not like what they looked like and gave them 100 k just to go away, but not often. I've never once had them not show up, but there have been times they have been up to 3 hours late. I don't ask them many questions though. I just ask them to send me a photo via whatsapp and if I like the photo, I agree to have her come.
I received PM's from 5 different guys here on this site and I sent every one of them the phone numbers for the vitality massage, but I haven't heard back from even one of those guys as to whether they tried the massage nor have I seen a report from any of them.
I have never used we chat, I've always contacted them via text message to their phone or by phoning them directly. It's always been a guy I talked with, I've never spoken with a girl to arrange her coming to my place. I also always have them come directly to my room, I don't meet them in the lobby. There have been times I did not like what they looked like and gave them 100 k just to go away, but not often. I've never once had them not show up, but there have been times they have been up to 3 hours late. I don't ask them many questions though. I just ask them to send me a photo via whatsapp and if I like the photo, I agree to have her come.
I received PM's from 5 different guys here on this site and I sent every one of them the phone numbers for the vitality massage, but I haven't heard back from even one of those guys as to whether they tried the massage nor have I seen a report from any of them.I tried the WeChat option and messaged about 4 cute girls who offered massages in your hotel room. Got one for 1 hour at Rp150 K. I knew that low price could not include anything naughty but I wanted to check out the girl first. The girl came over on time and proceeded to do a very good oil massage. No hanky panky at all. She said that the boss had several we chat accounts and that all my communication had been with the boss. She was just sent to do the job. She only got Rp30 K from the Rp150 K. Wow. That's crazy. She told me the story about the business. Apparently, the girls make money by offering extras. If you don't offer extra like her, the pay is very low. If you discuss extras up front, the boss pretty much keeps most of it. Hence, she said if you want extras, some girls will do it but offer the girl directly during the massage session. I was happy, the girl did a good massage and it was fun way to spend an hour. Not expensive at all at only Rp 150 K. Will do it again.
Mighty Spearsman
04-28-15, 03:23
I tried the WeChat option and messaged about 4 cute girls who offered massages in your hotel room. Got one for 1 hour at Rp150 K. I knew that low price could not include anything naughty but I wanted to check out the girl first. The girl came over on time and proceeded to do a very good oil massage. No hanky panky at all. She said that the boss had several we chat accounts and that all my communication had been with the boss. She was just sent to do the job. She only got Rp30 K from the Rp150 K. Wow. That's crazy. She told me the story about the business. Apparently, the girls make money by offering extras. If you don't offer extra like her, the pay is very low. If you discuss extras up front, the boss pretty much keeps most of it. Hence, she said if you want extras, some girls will do it but offer the girl directly during the massage session. I was happy, the girl did a good massage and it was fun way to spend an hour. Not expensive at all at only Rp 150 K. Will do it again.Thanks for the useful info.
I just want to make sure that I understood what you wrote, which is that you had a good one-hour massage but that you received no extras because the girl does not offer extras.
If that's true, then. Considering that she told you that she would only make 30 K for her one-hour session, did you at least try to ask for extras? I find it hard to believe that any Indonesian female masseuse would refuse to give at least a hand job if a decent amount of cash (50K or so) were offered.
Mighty Spearsman
04-28-15, 03:33
Interesting, Menteng. So looks do matter (for freebies, anyway). I'm in my 40's and chubby, so I guess not many hot women will want to sleep with a chubby married guy in his 40's? I guess that is what BATS is for. I plan to go to Jakarta in December.Just to reinforce what's been written already, a flashback to 2008 when I went on a triple-date dinner, with 2 other white guys and three lovely, much-younger Indonesian females (all in their 20's). One of the other guys and I were in their 50's and in somewhat-reasonable shape, while the third guy was a white Dutch expat, late 60's, over 110 kg, balding, and a mouthful of teeth that was a total wreck. Guess who had the best-looking, hottest babe? Yup, the oldest guy.
Thanks for the useful info.
I just want to make sure that I understood what you wrote, which is that you had a good one-hour massage but that you received no extras because the girl does not offer extras.
If that's true, then. Considering that she told you that she would only make 30 K for her one-hour session, did you at least try to ask for extras? I find it hard to believe that any Indonesian female masseuse would refuse to give at least a hand job if a decent amount of cash (50K or so) were offered.I understood it differently. From reading the original post, I understood that the girl was advertising extras but she was explaining the model, I. E. Negotiate with me and pay me directly. I agreed with you that 30 k is a pittance, and I would find it hard to believe that someone would go through all that trouble for that.
Thanks for the useful info.
I just want to make sure that I understood what you wrote, which is that you had a good one-hour massage but that you received no extras because the girl does not offer extras.
If that's true, then. Considering that she told you that she would only make 30 K for her one-hour session, did you at least try to ask for extras? I find it hard to believe that any Indonesian female masseuse would refuse to give at least a hand job if a decent amount of cash (50K or so) were offered.Yeah. My post may not have been clear. I did not ask about extras when I booked the masseuse. She was chatty and explained about the way its done. The girls offer extras at the end of the session). She made it clear she did not do that. I gave her an extra Rp50 K as a tip as she gave a good oil massage and had a charming personality. She was young. She said 22, and had braces, and strong hands. The other thing is she had big eyes and sexy dark skin and she mentioned that many Bule asked for her cause they prefer the exotic look. She had regular clients in the upscale Kemang and Kuningan areas. I had never used WeChat before. Hope my next experience is as good.
I find it hard to believe that any Indonesian female masseuse would refuse to give at least a hand job if a decent amount of cash (50K or so) were offered.Then I can feel happy, as I was "lucky" to find such in Yogyakarta.
Dee
Excuse my ignorance but do you need a VPN here at all? I've been struck by the really inconsistent internet service and patchy network and sometimes simply can't access certain sites including this esteemed online organ. I'm used to using one in China but not clear what the deal is here.
Medellin Kuya
04-29-15, 23:58
Decided I will not extend my contract and will go ahead and take my trip to Indonesia in August.
Still a good 3-4 months away but I am stoked. Excited to compare it to Manila and Bangkok in terms of getting women.
Trying to decide if I want to stay 2 weeks and go out partying a lot or stay 4 weeks and keep things cheap (small dates near or in my apartment).
Excuse my ignorance but do you need a VPN here at all? I've been struck by the really inconsistent internet service and patchy network and sometimes simply can't access certain sites including this esteemed online organ. I'm used to using one in China but not clear what the deal is here.If you are talking about the adult-site blocking software that is implemented in many hotels in Jakarta, it is a definite risk that one will encounter this, but not very predictable. I have stayed at four and five star hotels in Jakarta and some have this implemented maybe 95 percent of the time, others more sporadically, and its seems others not at all. If access to this forum is important during any stays in Jakarta, it would be good to arrange a back-up way of accessing it.
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If anyone's been to Kuala Lumpur, how would you compare it to Jakarta?
Which city is better for pay for play?
If anyone's been to Kuala Lumpur, how would you compare it to Jakarta? Which city is better for pay for play?I have been to both. I really liked KL, and there are may options (read the forum), but it pales in size to Jakarta, and in general is more expensive. There are very, very cheap flights between KL and Jakarta, so if you have time, hit both!
I've gone through the last 11 pages of this thread and some people are reporting that 1.5 million rupiah is the new floor rate after negotiation with girls at the popular clubs. Is this true? If so, seems quite expensive for a country with this level of development.
I've gone through the last 11 pages of this thread and some people are reporting that 1.5 million rupiah is the new floor rate after negotiation with girls at the popular clubs. Is this true? If so, seems quite expensive for a country with this level of development.I myself have little experience at clubs like BATS or CJ's, but perhaps six months ago went to BATS with an expat who has lived in Jakarta for over a decade. He told me the going rate was around 1.5 million. But it should be added I don't think he is terribly price sensitive so may not always negotiate the best deals. He also wasn't real clear about whether this was for all night, although I suspect that is what he was referring to.
On the other hand, if the US Dollar is one's base currency, 1.5 million is not much different from 1 million a couple of years ago. But it is difficult to think that way when you have rupiah in your wallet.
I've gone through the last 11 pages of this thread and some people are reporting that 1.5 million rupiah is the new floor rate after negotiation with girls at the popular clubs. Is this true? If so, seems quite expensive for a country with this level of development.How about the price of a beer in those same clubs in a country with this level of development? The price of a beer is 120,000 to 150,000 for one beer. That's more than I pay in New York City or London.
I wouldn't say 1. 5 million is the "floor" rate, because you can always find the uglier girls for less. But in those expensive 5 star hotel clubs, 1. 5 million is the going rate for a good looking girl for a short time.
If you want cheaper, there are hundreds of clubs that are not 5 star where the price is cheaper.
I personally normally go to the cheaper places. I can speak bahasa, so it matters little to me that the girls at the 5 star hotel clubs can speak English. However, I do like to pull a girl from BATS or CJs on occasion. And when I do, I am prepared to pay the 1.5 million price tag these days.
Traveler1234
05-03-15, 12:16
I personally normally go to the cheaper places. I can speak bahasa, so it matters little to me that the girls at the 5 star hotel clubs can speak English. However, I do like to pull a girl from BATS or CJs on occasion. And when I do, I am prepared to pay the 1.5 million price tag these days.Is the street price these days 1. 5? I haven't been there in a while but I never paid more than 750-800 K for LT?
Is the street price these days 1. 5? I haven't been there in a while but I never paid more than 750-800 K for LT?Street price? You mean for picking up girls standing next to ojeks in the street? No, that is much cheaper.
1.5 is the going rate at BATS and CJs. Prior to the last few years, I also had never paid more than 900k for any girl in Jakarta. In a previous post, I gave the detail of how I tried to fight it, but every time I tried to pay less than 1.5 at BATS, I ended up going home alone.
Traveler1234
05-03-15, 20:07
1.5 is the going rate at BATS and CJs. Prior to the last few years, I also had never paid more than 900k for any girl in Jakarta. In a previous post, I gave the detail of how I tried to fight it, but every time I tried to pay less than 1.5 at BATS, I ended up going home alone.Thanks. Too bad but I guess inflation is everywhere ;)
1.5 is the going rate at BATS and CJs. Prior to the last few years, I also had never paid more than 900k for any girl in Jakarta. In a previous post, I gave the detail of how I tried to fight it, but every time I tried to pay less than 1.5 at BATS, I ended up going home alone.Prior to the last few years, the IDR was 9000 something to the dollar. Now its 12,500. What do you expect the girls to do, lower their rates so you don't have to go home alone?
Member #4537
05-04-15, 02:23
Prior to the last few years, the IDR was 9000 something to the dollar. Now its 12,500. What do you expect the girls to do, lower their rates so you don't have to go home alone?But then again don't you see the ratio of girl-to-guy in BATS and CJ's? There's almost 10 girls for every monger, and a lot of them go several days without a customer. And half of the patrons aren't even looking for P4 P anyway.
It's a buyer's market and I take advantage of it. In fact, I've always got a girl for 1.000.000 (for ST) if it's near closing time and they feel I'm not desperate.
It's a buyer's market and I take advantage of it. In fact, I've always got a girl for 1.000.000 (for ST) if it's near closing time and they feel I'm not desperate.Then you could help the Smoothy guy out how you do it, unless of course he's holding out for only top quality.
But then again don't you see the ratio of girl-to-guy in BATS and CJ's? There's almost 10 girls for every monger, and a lot of them go several days without a customer. And half of the patrons aren't even looking for P4 P anyway.
It's a buyer's market and I take advantage of it. In fact, I've always got a girl for 1.000.000 (for ST) if it's near closing time and they feel I'm not desperate.How about that tall chick we met that night who refused to go for less than 2 million? I think she'd be tough to impossible to get for 1 million even at closing time. Certain girls have a high self opinion. Unfortunately, those are normally the ones I consider to be the stunners. Yes, even though there are nights where the guys outnumber the girls, that can be misleading. There are probably 5 to 10 girls to every "cash spending monger" who is looking to spend the money it takes to have sex with those girls. But the problem is that only maybe 5 to 10 girls in the entire bar are stunners and they are almost always off the market by closing time. BATS has that stupid policy now that girls can't return to the bar after they go for a short time, so the stunners who take a customer early cannot return. It's rare to have a stunner in BATS alone at closing time (did see Mayang in there the other night at closing time and I consider her to be a stunner. But she was refusing guys who were offering her less than her going rate, even at closing time. My friend tried. LOL). However, there is more possibility at CJs because the BATS girls go there after they have done their first round to see if they can get another round in. I do agree that if it's one of the girls who does not get a customer every night, there is definitely a good chance to get her for a million at closing time.
Were you with me that night I met that chick with the white skin and huge breasts? She was fairly close friends with that tall 2 million chick, and I thought she was extremely hot in CJs. I'd have rated her the best in the place that night. Awesome tits! She did not negotiate price with me up front and just came home with me when I asked her at around midnight (probably because I had been with some of the other girls and she already knew I gave those girls 1.5 - the girls do talk to each other about such matters). I was prepared to give her between 1.5 and 2 million depending on how she serviced me in the room. But I ended up giving her 1 million. The reason I gave her 1 million instead of 1.5 is that she was such a crap shag and such a pain in the room. I'll never take her again. I have no doubt she would not have gone with me in the first place if she knew I'd only give her 1 million. I have avoided CJs for a while after that because I am sure she has slandered my name for giving 1 million. LOL. But it wasn't right to give her more than that considering how horrible she was in bed.
Tonight should be interesting, I have a girl meeting me at my hotel that says she is a virgin, she is happy to suck cock and take it in the ass, but I can't enter her pussy because she wants to save her pussy for her future husband! Has anybody run into this before? Seems kind of weird, but I am a glutton for punishment so I am going to find out how it goes.
Were you with me that night I met that chick with the white skin and huge breasts? She was fairly close friends with that tall 2 million chick, and I thought she was extremely hot in CJs. I'd have rated her the best in the place that night. Awesome tits!
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The reason I gave her 1 million instead of 1.5 is that she was such a crap shag and such a pain in the room. I'll never take her again.I am always wary of the stunners for this reason. They don't have to provide good service cause they don't rely on repeat business. There will be a new guy there the next night drooling over them. Give me a deep throating, ass begging to be pounded 6 over a starfish 8 anyday.
Tonight should be interesting, I have a girl meeting me at my hotel that says she is a virgin, she is happy to suck cock and take it in the ass, but I can't enter her pussy because she wants to save her pussy for her future husband! Has anybody run into this before? Seems kind of weird, but I am a glutton for punishment so I am going to find out how it goes.I had a girl in India like that in the past. She claimed to be a virgin as far as her pussy, but her ass was wrecked.
I had a girl in India like that in the past. She claimed to be a virgin as far as her pussy, but her ass was wrecked.Haha, this one claims to have only taken it in the ass a couple of times and seems a bit worried. If she is a total dud I suppose I will hit blok M or see if I can find a replacement on the dating sites to come to my hotel.
FreebieFan
05-04-15, 07:47
Tonight should be interesting, I have a girl meeting me at my hotel that says she is a virgin, she is happy to suck cock and take it in the ass, but I can't enter her pussy because she wants to save her pussy for her future husband! Has anybody run into this before? Seems kind of weird, but I am a glutton for punishment so I am going to find out how it goes.
.Met two of those in Manila. Both were in the 19/20 age range and both were committed to saving the hymen but wanted to explore their own sexuality. I enjoyed obliging. Was hoping for a third but never found one.
harryreams
05-05-15, 01:20
Any venues or Freelance providers available in the daytime? Any adviceappreciated.
Met two of those in Manila. Both were in the 19/20 age range and both were committed to saving the hymen but wanted to explore their own sexuality. I enjoyed obliging. Was hoping for a third but never found one.
Nice, I hope to get back to Manila soon, quite enjoyed my previous trips there.
It went pretty well last night. I had assumed she would have good BJ skills given the situation and I was not let down. Was quite relaxing actually, was watching TV while she did her job and knowing that nothing more was going to happen I just enjoyed the moment and when the time came let rip in her mouth. I lasted longer during the BJ than I usually do. Decided not to give it to her in the pooper, she had been a bit hesitant when we chatted beforehand and I was enjoying myself.
I don't think I would repeat this particular girl, I took her to dinner with me and she spent the whole time playing on her phone which always annoys me, but I won't run away screaming from the next girl who says I can only have her mouth or ass. Slipped her 500 k for taxi fare on the way out and slept like the proverbial baby.
Any venues or Freelance providers available in the daytime? Any adviceappreciated.This is the problem with Jakarta compared to the PI or LOS. There is almost nothing going on in the day time. It's possible to get a girl from online dating or tinder or even meeting a girl at the mall. It's also possible to line up a girl to come to your room who you have already met at a place such as Blok M or BATS during the night. However, there are no specific venues with free lancers during the day. And it's difficult to get a girl to come to your place until night time. Even if you line one up from a previous encounter. They like doing their work at night and sleeping during the day. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's not the norm.
Any venues or Freelance providers available in the daytime? Any adviceappreciated.It sounds like you are asking about P4P venues or freelancers, not just venues with freelancers. There are a few P4P venues such as Maribaya Massage in the Melawai Hotel, Malioboro, and some of the North Jakarta bars that are open during the daytime, although some of these don't get going until 3 pm or a bit later (Maribaya gets going earlier). However, overall Jakarta is more of a night-time city. Most of the places that are open during the day are exclusively on-site..
Most of the places that are open during the day are exclusively on-site..I think not just most of them, but all of them. At least as far as day action. And as you mentioned, they are on-site brothels where the girls are controlled by mamasans, not places for free lancers. Sorry, I had thought you only wanted free lancers.
Maribaya is the only place that truly gets going by 10 am. But the girls aren't extremely good looking and the price is 600 k for an hour (it may be 800 now, I'm not certain). Service is normally great though, so it's not a bad place to visit. It's possible to find a night shift girl at Maribaya who will visit you during the day if you get to know her, since her shift doesn't start until 5 pm. I used to have night shift girls visit me in my apartment around 2 pm frequently years ago. The day shift girls will also visit you after 5 pm. The Maribaya girls seem to still perform as well at your place as they do at the brothel itself.
If you don't want to shag on-site in a brothel during the day, another option could possibly be to bar fine a girl from a brothel in north Jakarta and take her to your room. You would have to buy her out at a cost equal to the number of hours you will have her at your place. So if the hourly rate is 350 k (the rate at the cheaper places up north), you would have to pay 1,400,000 rupiah to take a girl for 4 hours (plus tip). The 4 hours includes the time it takes for transit to and from your place. Considering traffic in Jakarta, this means you will probably only have her in your room for 2 hours out of the 4. You could pay to take her longer, but it's 350 k per hour you have her and needs to be paid to the mamasan before you ever even take her out of the bar. This is also dependent upon negotiations. Depending on the girl and the day of the week, they may negotiate differently. The bars in north Jakarta claim to get started at noon, but in reality 2 pm is about the time the girls start wandering in. By 3 pm, they are all there. However, there is a big downside to this strategy. For whatever reason, I find that the brothel girls up North do not perform as well when you bar fine them and take them home as they do when they are in the bar itself. They get lazy in my room, so it's normally not worth the trouble. At least that's my experience.
Medellin Kuya
05-05-15, 14:51
I decided not to extend my contract and will be finishing it in August.
Decided to spend 1 month in Jakarta and 1 month in the Philippines.
Going to try to keep my budget fairly tight. What are some of you guy's cheap date spots or routines?
Plan is to meet most girls online most days / nights of the week and go out alone one time each week to some of the popular night clubs.
If you are on that cheap of a budget, I'd recommend Cambodia.
Member #4537
05-06-15, 10:10
For whatever reason, I find that the brothel girls up North do not perform as well when you bar fine them and take them home as they do when they are in the bar itself. They get lazy in my room, so it's normally not worth the trouble. At least that's my experience.You're not the only one. Whenever I 'bar-fined' a girl who I thought was good when I booked her for an hour or had been going to her several times from one of the Kota knockshops, I ended up very disappointed. If I tried to initiate even one round after I'd got her back to my apartment, they'd say I was 'gila' or complain of being 'capek' and just wanted to watch TV, eat snacks or sleep all day. I think they take advantage of the situation knowing full well if you complained to the mamasan, they wouldn't care since you already paid the bill. Had there been a system where you would pay your barfine at the end before she left, I'm sure the situation would be different.
If you want to bring a girl to your place, better just get freelancers and always insist on paying in the end never upfront since this invites laziness.
Medellin Kuya
05-06-15, 16:47
If you are on that cheap of a budget, I'd recommend Cambodia.I do not have a budget. Or, lets just say I could triple my expected spending and still be fine.
I do not need to spend a lot of money to have fun. I might take 1 trip to Hotel Classic just for the experience and go check out the scene at BlokM, CJ's, and Bats just to say I've been.
95% of my lays come from online and bars / clubs where the only money being spent is on having cheap lunch or movie dates or buying a few drinks at the bar / club.
Just looking to optimize getting my dick wet, having fun, and conserving money all at the same time.
Fast Eddie 48
05-07-15, 02:21
I do not have a budget. Or, lets just say I could triple my expected spending and still be fine.
I do not need to spend a lot of money to have fun. I might take 1 trip to Hotel Classic just for the experience and go check out the scene at BlokM, CJ's, and Bats just to say I've been.
95% of my lays come from online and bars / clubs where the only money being spent is on having cheap lunch or movie dates or buying a few drinks at the bar / club.
Just looking to optimize getting my dick wet, having fun, and conserving money all at the same time.To Medellin.
One month in Jakarta is a long time if you are on a budget Angeles city in PI is much cheaper, hotel and food cost is much more here you can go mongering at hotel Travel or Panjay for 350 k for st is not easy to budget under 100 usd a day.
Fast eddie 48.
Medellin Kuya
05-07-15, 03:02
To Medellin.
One month in Jakarta is a long time if you are on a budget Angeles city in PI is much cheaper, hotel and food cost is much more here you can go mongering at hotel Travel or Panjay for 350 k for st is not easy to budget under 100 usd a day.
Fast Eddie 48I do not really have a budget. I simply have other trips planned for after Indonesia and Philippines back in the US and thus would like to conserve my money as to allow me more things to do in the future. If I go over my planned amount and have to cancel somethings that is not a problem.
I am already going to be in Manila for 1 month prior to going to Jakarta. I have no interest in Angeles. As I said, I deal with 95% normal girls I meet online or at the bar / club. I am white and late 20's for reference.
Just looking for some ideas for cheap dates around Plaza Indonesia and such.
If a white guy in his late 20's, I recommend Medellin, Colombia. HOT chicks there! Really hot.
Medellin Kuya
05-07-15, 15:02
If a white guy in his late 20's, I recommend Medellin, Colombia. HOT chicks there! Really hot.Yes, I've been to Colombia. Tied with Philippines as my most favorite country.
Women look amazing.
Yes, I've been to Colombia. Tied with Philippines as my most favorite country.
Women look amazing.I'm just kidding since your name has Medellin in it. I've been to Bogota, but never Medellin. Hot women in Bogota and I hear they as hot or hotter in Medellin. Menteng speaks well of it.
What club is closest to the Stadium experience now that it has been shut down?
It sounds like you are asking about P4P venues or freelancers, not just venues with freelancers. There are a few P4P venues such as Maribaya Massage in the Melawai Hotel, Malioboro, and some of the North Jakarta bars that are open during the daytime, although some of these don't get going until 3 pm or a bit later (Maribaya gets going earlier). However, overall Jakarta is more of a night-time city. Most of the places that are open during the day are exclusively on-site..LA Guy 5150, how about Lokasari Plaza during the day?
Hello everyone,
I have been meaning to complete a pending report of mine from Jakarta from beginning this year. I was there for only 1 night and as a result of all the contributors here was able to RTFF and decide on my POA.
Given I had a short time. Getting in the evening, staying the night and taking a flight next morning. I didn't have a choice to experiment much so I traded on the safe zone namely Astay in Shangrilla and go to BATS and look for someone.
Entered BATS around 9:15 pm on a Sunday night and was surprised to very few people mainly guys or some normal groups enjoying food. Decided to stick around and order a drink. The band came on and as many people have written before, the music and the singer were great. This could have been any bar and I would stick around for the music and ambiance. I was enjoying myself with the music and drink and that also helped me relax in a new country and new environment. Then 2 WGs came in and for some reason decided share the table with me with no eye contact. I said Hello, out of courtesy and given I was not very interested, I decided to continue looking around.
After an hour of walking around, I saw this girl sensually dancing and sliding around one of the pillars (like it was a strip pole) . She gave me the naughty look and pulled me towards her. Then the usual pampering around how smart I look, how well I smell etc. But she was cute all the same, petite with pretty eyes. Given she came on so strong put some doubt in my mind so after some talking I decided to move on. I spoke to a few more girls who were either not my type or not very interested to speak. I plonked myself on the round table in the middle of the bar and this girl I met first continued to eye me. Sending me signals. I don't know but I liked the game. Eventually I invited her for a drink. She immediately ordered long island ice tea we spoke a bit before she started to take my hands to various parts of her body. Hmm it was getting interesting to say the least.
Eventually the guy down there made the call. I decided to ask her about what she was expecting. She said 1. 5 mil IDR to which I laughed and said nothing more than 700 k IDR. She was shocked at my offer. Eventually we settled with 900 k with a tip if she was good with time dependent on me.
We went up and once she stripped, I realized that she had smaller tits than I had imagine (A cup vs. B) as well as except a cute ass, her body was normal. Nothing special! We had a shower together in which we explored each other a bit. She certainly had a quirkiness about her which I liked and I hoped that that would translate into her sexual performance. She was very tight and I did love being inside her but she wasn't one to do a lot herself. Just lie there and take it. We did a few positions, she gave me a decent BBBJ and ball sucking. I came. She showed some signs of packing up to which I reminded her what we had decided. She obliged right away.
We chatted for a while after which I asked her to do a BBBJ again and I came on her face. She took that like a champ.
Overall decent not amazing. Given a long flight, I was already tired. I asked her to pack up. She left me her number and asked if she didn't mind me taking her down to the reception as sometimes the bell man can ask for commission but if I would be there, he wouldn't. I didn't mind doing it so I went down with her. As I said goodbye (it was around 1 am I think), there were a few girls in the lobby hanging around and 1 of them asked me if I wanted another round. I smiled and moved on.
A good night overall thanks to this forum.
After some recent discussion about Bintang Mawar I decided to go there. A rather dark place which plays lots of Chinese songs which reminded me of CP in Southern China. Of course after around 7 pm they go more loud and upbeat semi techno. I met a fellow American who has been working continuously in Jakartar for at least the last 6 plus years. He explained the set up which was 125 K for the upstairs room and 250 K for the girl. Now immediately once one enters the bar area you're pestered by the mamasan to get a girl. A very high percentage of 6's and low 7's or a big cut below both Classic and Travel. After a few times the mommie tried to send me a third stringer I found one decent enough looking, but I don't think I would have taken her if she was made available to me in the states. Now she did give me a really really really long BBBJ. Consequently I gave her a 50 k tip. Very friendly local type bar with cheap beers. A tall Bintang only went for 42 k. I can see coming back here one time on another trip back to Jakarta. Assuming every girl is available I did see a couple of stunners more in the model category of slender bodies with b cups. I'm into young petite ladies with huge racks which can be found in both Travel and Classic but not here.
BTW there must be a new policy at Classic as I'm batting a 1.000 as far as bbbjs from both the 2nd and 5th floors. Now on the 5th floor the girls make a big push to order stuff beer/soda/cigs. But thats ok as I tell them later thats their tip. Of course it doesn't always ensure good service but I always touch their breasts when the bring a girl over to me that appears to meet needs. That way if they don't flinch its a somewhat reasonable sign of being accomodative. I did that with the girl in Bingtang.
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