Jakarta

[Pikefish]

What club is closest to the Stadium experience now that it has been shut down?Millie's. You should know the police are everywhere now and very motivated to fuck with westerners over drugs. Be very, very careful. None of my mates are doing drugs in north Jakarta anymore. The risk is too real.

[Offshore Swell]

Now no promises here but have been talking to a very pretty young thing on FB who wants to be gang banged. She is quite shy but today she messaged me and asked me how many people would gang bang her? Also she said no rough (kasar).

Her text, as described is thus:

Emang brapa org mau gangbang aku?

Tp jgn kasar2 main na.

I explained how all the local boys go malu when confronted by big bule meat at a gang bang.

Trouble is I don't have too many contacts who are Jakarta residents to do the grunt work with me.

Are there any prospects who might be able to mobilise at short notice?

It probably won't eventuate but heck!, who am I to deny her her fantasy and it's worth a try and she is pretty.

OS.

[MarkIII]

Millie's. You should know the police are everywhere now and very motivated to fuck with westerners over drugs. Be very, very careful. None of my mates are doing drugs in north Jakarta anymore. The risk is too real.And more important, every time the fasting month is coming they intensify their checks. If you get into trouble they will ask at least 100 million Rp or more.

And Milles is a shit hole. I have been there once, its unbelievable crowded and dirty. I didn't feel safe and above that a midget girl tried to slowly push my phone out of my jeans when I was moving trough the crowd.

[Member #4716]

Now no promises here but have been talking to a very pretty young thing on FB who wants to be gang banged. She is quite shy but today she messaged me and asked me how many people would gang bang her? Also she said no rough (kasar).

Her text, as described is thus:

Emang brapa org mau gangbang aku, ??

Tp jgn kasar2 main na.

I explained how all the local boys go malu when confronted by big bule meat at a gang bang.

Trouble is I don't have too many contacts who are Jakarta residents to do the grunt work with me.

Are there any prospects who might be able to mobilise at short notice?

It probably won't eventuate but heck!, who am I to deny her her fantasy and it's worth a try and she is pretty.

OS.If she can wait until December, I'm in.

[Smoothy]

Are there any prospects who might be able to mobilise at short notice?Any photos of the chick?

[Charlie Horse]

Any photos of the chick?Doubt she's the one on the left side of this page. .

[Offshore Swell]

If she can wait until December, I'm in.Yeah I am sure she would love to wait untill December for you.

Better still, why not send a photo of yourself and she can flick the bean looking at it while the rest of us are pumping her.

[Offshore Swell]

Here she is.

But no fatties or reall old guys. After all, its her fantasy.

[Smoothy]

She looks good. But if no fatties or old guys, I"m out.

[LA Guy 5]

I've been reading your reports in Bangkok and Jakarta, but something doesn't add up. None of your reports are real. Everything you say can be found reading old entries. You have no idea on current prices, and you have no idea on venues. Everything you write is taken from old trip reports from other members.Sorry to see your psychotic breakdown. Who would have known you would take it so hard when I earlier pointed out in response to similar nonsense your record of having posts deleted by the administrator of this forum.

[Possessed Seoul]

Here she is.

But no fatties or reall old guys. After all, its her fantasy.What constitutes old? I'm in my early 40's, but have a mental age of 16. And as for fat, I weigh about three times what she does but most of it is muscle.

[Smoothy]

What if we turn out the lights? She will never know how old and fat we are.

[Master Diver II]

What if we turn out the lights? She will never know how old and fat we are.ROFLMFAO Perhaps a fat wallet might make you look slimmer and younger?;):D

MD II.

[Hilo77]

Anyone got any juicy info on the high-class online prostitution ring that was recently busted involving models and sinetron artists?

Ahok had the refreshing honesty to admit that nobody was surprised at finding out this was going on, but given the apoplexy that some posters get into on this thread if a fellow hobbyist pays more than one million rupes for a chick I am fairly certain no one on this forum was shelling out 80 million for some minor starlet. However, if anyone has any salacious details I am sure we'd all like to know.

[ABCinLA]

Well I've been wanting to hit new places so I recently went to both V-2 and Emporium. Emporium is a bit better deal as you do get to grope the girl for 15 to 30 minutes in the jacuzzi before heading for your room. The best way for me to grope in the pool is have them on my lap as I'm sitting on the side of the pool. Its great to have them rocking back and forth on top of you has you grab their tits. As I first got in I was immediately approached by a mamasan who went with me inside the selection area. Much lower number of girls to choose from with none really outstanding maybe 1/3 of the Alexis numbers at best (however, much easier to get out of there when your done versus trying to catch a cab at Alexis). I would have liked to study the girls more; however, having a personal mamasan does sought of puts indirect pressure to make a selection rather timely. Well after I did in walks 4 plus stunners with one girl in the VIP group looking near perfect for me (regulars are 1050 k but charged 1020 k, vips 1200 k and foreign women more than that). While my girl maybe no better than 7. 5 she more than made up for that in service. While I first got a covered blow job and cover finish, she must of felt I was not completely satisifed so she then gives me a BBBJ and sticks it in uncovered as we didn't have an extra rubber. What can I say I do dumb things once in awhile. After I was done I walked to Tease Club but they weren't really rocking yet but I felt a need to go back to the hotel to do some trading.

When I first got to V-2 I immediately saw a fairly slim women with a huge pair who would have been my immediate choice; however, I was told by the gay looking older papasan she was taken. I did let him know I like big pairs so he had a couple of girls parade in front of me. My selection was very decent looking with D cups but nothing special as far as servicing with just a covered BJ. Cost was 1000 k for 1 hour in the room with girl but it doesn't mean something is always happening for that hour. I will say when I was leaving probably slightly more women behind the glass versus Emporium and were generally more voluptuous. I felt bad not getting the one with the huge huge pair.

[Smoothy]

you do get to grope the girl for 15 to 30 minutes in the jacuzzi before heading for your room. The best way for me to grope in the pool is have them on my lap as I'm sitting on the side of the pool. Its great to have them rocking back and forth on top of you has you grab their tits. I don't go in those shared jacuzzi's where they allow the girls in with the guys in those places simply because guys cum in the water too often. It freaks me out that I may be in a pool of some other guy's cum. The worst is at Malioboro. When they have the sexy dancers get in the water with the guys, they are jerking them off in the water for 50k. A lot of those guys go there just to get wanked off in the water, then go home after they cum in the pool.

[ABCinLA]

Wow! I can't believe that.

[MasBule]

Hahah funny Smoothy, live a little mate.

Considering what goes on in some parts of the world, that aint so bad. I once went into a peep show in NewYork City, with the little booths had a view of a stage (called wank tanks if I'm not mistaken). Well let me tell you, there was more cum in those little rooms than in a sperm bank, everywhere you looked and touched there was DNA. They should have handed out the CSI blue cum stain torches on entry, so you know what not to touch.

At least in the jacuzzi, it is somewhat diluted. Hahahaa.

Back in my box.


I don't go in those shared jacuzzi's where they allow the girls in with the guys in those places simply because guys cum in the water too often. It freaks me out that I may be in a pool of some other guy's cum. The worst is at Malioboro. When they have the sexy dancers get in the water with the guys, they are jerking them off in the water for 50k. A lot of those guys go there just to get wanked off in the water, then go home after they cum in the pool.

[MasBule]

Is it just me, or are others getting advertising on this website (top left of the Indo forum page) for the Scrogaurd? https://scroguard.com.

Is it really that bad out there in mongerville that the world needs the Scrogaurd?

[AussieDoug]

Is it just me, or are others getting advertising on this website (top left of the Indo forum page) for the Scrogaurd? https://scroguard.com.

Is it really that bad out there in mongerville that the world needs the Scrogaurd?I doubt it, but the nervous nellies are a ready market. A tub after in accord with the ayaotollah's recomendation is probably all that is needed.

[Lost99]

The worst is at Malioboro. When they have the sexy dancers get in the water with the guys, they are jerking them off in the water for 50k.This is news to me. When I last went to Malioboro, the jacuzzi was in an area where only Men can enter (ground floor beside the gym). Sexy Dancers and girls were upstairs in the lounge area; girls would take you straight to the room and not the jacuzzi at all. Am I missing something? Or should those girls be taking me to the jacuzzi and polishing my knob for me?

As for Alexis, never saw a dude release in the communal hot tub. I doubt anyone would really want that to happen since you would prematurely empty your bullets prior to the main event.

[LA Guy 5]

This is news to me. When I last went to Malioboro, the jacuzzi was in an area where only Men can enter (ground floor beside the gym). Sexy Dancers and girls were upstairs in the lounge area; girls would take you straight to the room and not the jacuzzi at all. Am I missing something? Or should those girls be taking me to the jacuzzi and polishing my knob for me?

As for Alexis, never saw a dude release in the communal hot tub. I doubt anyone would really want that to happen since you would prematurely empty your bullets prior to the main event.I have only been to Malioboro four or five times, but I sometimes there would be girls dancing around the pool / jacuzzi and other times not. I suspect there are fixed times they are down there, or at least general time periods. I didn't notice any interactions that would have resulted in a "jacuzzi release" but then again I wasn't really on the lookout for that so might not have noticed.

[Smoothy]

This is news to me. When I last went to Malioboro, the jacuzzi was in an area where only Men can enter (ground floor beside the gym). Sexy Dancers and girls were upstairs in the lounge area; girls would take you straight to the room and not the jacuzzi at all. Am I missing something? Or should those girls be taking me to the jacuzzi and polishing my knob for me?When you choose a girl from the bar area to take upstairs, she absolutely does not go to the jacuzzi area with you like they do in Alexis. However, at set times, there are sexy dancers in the jacuzzi area (at least that was the schedule in the past). It's normally one hour before the sexy dancers start upstairs. It used to be that the girls were in the Jacuzzi area at 6 pm and they finished at 7 pm, then the sexy dancers started up in the bar area at 7 pm. About 3 or 4 girls dance around the jacuzzi wearing bikinis (it's a huge jacuzzi and more than 20 guys can fit in it). They take their tops off, then get in the water with the guys. Just like in the bar, they will give you a private lap dance for 50,000 rupiah. In the jacuzzi, they get a rose, not a tequila, but it's the same concept. While they are giving the guys lap dances in the jacuzzi, they reach into the guy's shorts and wank them off. I never did it, but my indonesian friends did. They usually got off by buying 2 roses for the girl. After the guy gets off, she moves on to the next one. I find it rather disgusting. All those guys seated in that jacuzzi awaiting their turn in the same water that multiple guys have just ejaculated. Cheap way to get off though.

However, I'm not sure they still do the jacuzzi dancing anymore. They used to have set times for dancers, the dancers would dance for one hour then wouldn't have another show for a couple of hours. But now, it seems the dancers go continuously in the bar area. They may still have them in the jacuzzi area, but I haven't checked.

[Crocodilexp]

Excuse my ignorance but do you need a VPN here at all? I've been struck by the really inconsistent internet service and patchy network and sometimes simply can't access certain sites including this esteemed online organ. I'm used to using one in China but not clear what the deal is here.Yes, you do need VPN if you rely on the internet. This site is blocked, most porn is blocked, and even some major mainstream sites like Reddit. Some providers like XL Axiata also inject fake content into pages (like ads into Wikipedia, but lord knows what else). Blocking is not as strict as in China (less extensive, less consistent, easier to work around), but you're likely to run into it, and a VPN is the simplest and most reliable solution. It's not strictly necessary if you just browse around for fun, and don't care much to access a particular site, though.

[Member #4410]

Yes, you do need VPN if you rely on the internet. This site is blocked, most porn is blocked, and even some major mainstream sites like Reddit. Some providers like XL Axiata also inject fake content into pages (like ads into Wikipedia, but lord knows what else). Blocking is not as strict as in China (less extensive, less consistent, easier to work around), but you're likely to run into it, and a VPN is the simplest and most reliable solution. It's not strictly necessary if you just browse around for fun, and don't care much to access a particular site, though.In several hotels in Jakarta I have had no problems at all in accessing ISG, both via cable and wifi, over the past few years. Examples over the last two years: Century Park, Ambhara, Safin Felatehan. Also no problems in Harmoni Batam.

I canot believe I select the few hotels that cause roblems.

[LA Guy 5]

In several hotels in Jakarta I have had no problems at all in accessing ISG, both via cable and wifi, over the past few years. Examples over the last two years: Century Park, Ambhara, Safin Felatehan. Also no problems in Harmoni Batam.

I canot believe I select the few hotels that cause roblems.I may have mentioned this before here, but my experience is despite the blocking policy is apparently dictated by the government, implementation of the policy is very inconsistent across hotels. One five-star hotel I often stay at has this site blocked maybe 95 percent of the time (sometimes I can get through, and when I do it is often on one browser on my computer and not another), while another five-star hotel in the same vicinity doesn't block it at all. I believe some of the four-star hotels I have stayed at have been similarly inconsistent although I don't remember the specifics as I have settled recently into a couple of hotels and don't bounce from one to another as I used to.

I don't know whether these differences reflect differences in the visibilities of the different hotels (the five-star hotel I know that blocks has a much higher profile than the one that doesn't); differences in their relationships with the authorities; or something else or more random.

[Clear Water]

Any venues or Freelance providers available in the daytime? Any adviceappreciated.I've had good success on wechat. Also good as has distance location.

[Clear Water]

I think not just most of them, but all of them. At least as far as day action. And as you mentioned, they are on-site brothels where the girls are controlled by mamasans, not places for free lancers. Sorry, I had thought you only wanted free lancers.

Maribaya is the only place that truly gets going by 10 am. But the girls aren't extremely good looking and the price is 600 k for an hour (it may be 800 now, I'm not certain). Service is normally great though, so it's not a bad place to visit. It's possible to find a night shift girl at Maribaya who will visit you during the day if you get to know her, since her shift doesn't start until 5 pm. I used to have night shift girls visit me in my apartment around 2 pm frequently years ago. The day shift girls will also visit you after 5 pm. The Maribaya girls seem to still perform as well at your place as they do at the brothel itself.

If you don't want to shag on-site in a brothel during the day, another option could possibly be to bar fine a girl from a brothel in north Jakarta and take her to your room. You would have to buy her out at a cost equal to the number of hours you will have her at your place. So if the hourly rate is 350 k (the rate at the cheaper places up north), you would have to pay 1,400,000 rupiah to take a girl for 4 hours (plus tip). The 4 hours includes the time it takes for transit to and from your place. Considering traffic in Jakarta, this means you will probably only have her in your room for 2 hours out of the 4. You could pay to take her longer, but it's 350 k per hour you have her and needs to be paid to the mamasan before you ever even take her out of the bar. This is also dependent upon negotiations. Depending on the girl and the day of the week, they may negotiate differently. The bars in north Jakarta claim to get started at noon, but in reality 2 pm is about the time the girls start wandering in. By 3 pm, they are all there. However, there is a big downside to this strategy. For whatever reason, I find that the brothel girls up North do not perform as well when you bar fine them and take them home as they do when they are in the bar itself. They get lazy in my room, so it's normally not worth the trouble. At least that's my experience.In Kota North Jakarta house 75 (the one behind Travel).

Is only take away but may not be open during the day. 400 k for 3 hrs and 1. 2 M for overnight.

[Kaywhy]

In several hotels in Jakarta I have had no problems at all in accessing ISG, both via cable and wifi, over the past few years. Examples over the last two years: Century Park, Ambhara, Safin Felatehan. Also no problems in Harmoni Batam.

I canot believe I select the few hotels that cause roblems.If my recollection is correct, the Kempinski, Ritz at Pacific Place, Grand Hyatt and Shangri-La all block.

[Robert Long]

If my recollection is correct, the Kempinski, Ritz at Pacific Place, Grand Hyatt and Shangri-La all block.You can't get ISG in Bali when using Smart modem or using Telcomsel. I have no other way to access. If anyone has any feedback please advise.

RL.

[LA Guy 5]

Another long winded non answer. Thank you for talking about nothing as usual. Five star blahh blahh. Sometimes blahh blahh. I don't remember blahh blahh. I recently blahh blahh.

Here is what you should post. I have no clue what I'm taking about, but I'm bored in my old age. Thanks for reading.Great, we now have a stalker on this forum (see some of his other recent posts). In the past the administrator removed some (but unfortunately not all) of his offensive posts directed at others, but for some reason this loser is still here and is now directing his psycho-pathological posts at me.

[ABCinLA]

Well anyway, I always wanted to go to King Cross. Its about a 60 K taxi ride away from the Mangga Dua area and they will call a blue bird for you when you're to leave. Most of the action is on the ground floor where one is confronted with bleachers at either end. One side is only 335 K and the other 585 K. Of course with two price points like that I always go to find what I want at the lower one unless something outstanding is staring me in the face at the high end. Obviously I found what I wanted at the lower end which was a huge rack. The girls seem more like freelancers versus Travel / Classic. Additionally whereas at those two there is always a contingent of young newbies whom you can tell right away would be accomodative. I didn't see any young newbie looking girls at King. In fact there is a much higher percentage of girls with tattoos. Unlike Travel / Classic you settle everything at the end including the girl charge except for a tip if one desires to. I did as she did give me a BBBJ and stayed for nearly the full hour. I did drop by the third floor night club where the girls are prettier; however, really hard to see imperfections due the extremely dim lights. Needless to say those girls are much more expensive. A stage show was going on;
however, it was still early as they were in big bikinis. Nothing on stage stood out for me to want to stay to watch them get at least topless. Its well worth a trip out there.

[DeeKa]

You can't get ISG in Bali when using Smart modem or using Telcomsel. I have no other way to access. If anyone has any feedback please advise.

RL.On my Telkomsel ISG was blocked as well as badoo and a lot of other stuff, I had no issues in Accor Hotel group.

Dee

[Ceegee]

You can't get ISG in Bali when using Smart modem or using Telcomsel. I have no other way to access. If anyone has any feedback please advise.

RL.In my experience, blocking in Indonesia is quite random. The same hotel will block all the good sites like ISG one day, and have them wide open the next. That does not help us though.

You need to use a VPN to get around this. Basically the idea is that you create an encrypted tunnel between your computer and a point on the internet in a different country. If you do not have access (or want to use for these sites) to a VPN through work, then you will need to sign up for a paid plan. I am able to use my work VPN, so cannot recommend a paid one, but I would guess we are talking in the order of $5 per month. Do a bit of Googling, but it is the only way that I know of to be certain you can access all the fun sites in Indonesia because your Indonesian ISP cannot actually see what sites you are visiting. They just transport the encrypted traffic from the USA (for example) to your hotel room in Jakarta. .

[Hilo77]

For surfing in Indonesia I recommend downloading the Pale Moon browser and adding on the anonymox extension. It can be turned on and off allowing you to get an isp address from the UK, USA or Netherlands, it's free but it does have a small pop up ad which continually appears but if all you want to do is access blocked sites it will do the trick.

You can use your regular Firefox or Chrome browser to conduct your normal work thus not leaving an incriminating history behind (although I am sure all you experienced hobbyists have long ago installed CCleaner to clear all your history and cookies after each log-in session. Well, haven't you?.)

It works a treat for me and allows me to access British news websites that normally charge for overseas browsers too.

[Hihi Ster]

Gents, I just want to clear something up. It is not the hotels who blocks these sites, it's the ISP's under regulation of the government. The hotel has absolutely no control over this.

As with everything in Indonesia it is also very random, some sites open up temporary, sometimes days, weeks, months or hours.

[Vittu]

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/05/17/407526194/indonesian-military-chief-defends-virginity-tests-for-female-recruits?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20150517

[Member #4716]

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/05/17/407526194/indonesian-military-chief-defends-virginity-tests-for-female-recruits?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20150517I am talking with two girls in Jakarta I met online now for my trip in December. Neither of them wants to have sex, but both agreed to give me a blowjob and let me fuck them in the ass so that they can remain 'virgins' until married. Who says mongers like us have no morals?

[Ceegee]

Hahah funny Smoothy, live a little mate.
Haha, I'm with Smoothy on this one, the idea of getting into a spa where guys have been busting a nut makes me want to puke. At least in a seedy porn booth you can control what you touch and what surfaces you allow to touch you. In a spa bath the water goes everywhere and any little bit of anything that is not water that touched my skin would make me jumpy. Cum and water don't mix well, imagine trying to pick some other guys cum out of your pubes or whatever body hair you have. Yuck.

[ABCinLA]

Haha, I'm with Smoothy on this one, the idea of getting into a spa where guys have been busting a nut makes me want to puke. At least in a seedy porn booth you can control what you touch and what surfaces you allow to touch you. In a spa bath the water goes everywhere and any little bit of anything that is not water that touched my skin would make me jumpy. Cum and water don't mix well, imagine trying to pick some other guys cum out of your pubes or whatever body hair you have. Yuck.I was there on a recent Sunday and didn't see action in the pool area at all. In fact the dancers didn't even get on stage until 8 pm. It appears to be operating at a much lower key level from what I remembered in

2014. Now I've been to a few public / private pools in the states and I've never seen anyone get up to take a p__. Of course the smell of chlorine is strong.

[Member #4698]

2014. Now I've been to a few public / private pools in the states and I've never seen anyone get up to take a p__. Of course the smell of chlorine is strong.Thank God for Chlorine. LOL. Here is the peeing in the pool scene from the Adam Sandler movie "Grown Ups".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqzpM2W4MF0

[Lost99]

Anyone know if Spa's with FS gals that also have gym / fitness facilities?

I know Malioboro, SunCity, and Sumo have gyms. Alexis, Emporium do not. Interested to know if V2, Colosseum, or others also have gyms.

[Crocodilexp]

Indonesia newbie here, reporting on my first trip in Feb 2015. I have been visiting Thailand and a few other places many times over 30 years (and living in Pattaya for some time), so intevitably, I'll be comparing my experiences in Jakarta to Thailand.

On the first evening in Jakarta, I went to Travel Hotel. The entrance to the "club" is to the right of the main entrance to the hotel. Upon entry, they give you a tag with a number, and all incidentals (except for the girl) get billed to your tag. Don't lose it, you'll be punished. I find it easiest to tie it to my pants (it might slip off my wrist, but I'm not leaving without pants).

Warning: Mamasans are incredibly pushy. I was taken aback. They were ordering me around, telling me where to sit and bringing over girls before my eyes have even adjusted to the darkness, let alone had any time to look over either the venue layout or the girls. They point to girls and customers with annoying green laser pointers, and the pointed-out girl has to jump up immediately to go greet you. It feels extremely socially awkward to refuse a girl who comes up to you like that, but damn, I had no input or choice whatsoever. I was actually signaling "no" in every way I could, verbal and non-verbal. Despite my protests, the mamasan was pushing me to give her my tag to conclude the deal before I even knew what happened. I don't take kindly to being pushed around, so on the first visit, I was so shocked and disgusted that I left the place and didn't come back for a day.

I'm used to Thailand where people are non-confrontational, and you can take your sweet time to make your picks. Even in places with somewhat pushy pimps (soapy massages in Bangkok, low-end brothels in Malaysia or karaoke in China), they might be suggestive, but respect your body language and won't forcefully bind both you and the girl into a union within 10 seconds of you entering the venue.

Indonesian mamasans are a different breed. They absolutely don't respect your body language (including direct gestures or words) suggesting you'd like to take your time. Come prepared for this, or it might ruin your evening. You should actually completely ignore them and wave them away, like street touts or annoying wasps. They don't deserve any social consideration or attention, as they're giving you none. This feels strange at first, since you have entered their venue and at first feel obliged to at least try to get along.

Next day, I went to Classic hotel. Be warned that security will check your bags at entry, and if you have anything they dislike (like a camera or a larger bag), force you to put it in a "safe" area which is not locked at all, just a number tag. Maybe I'd go along with this in a safer country (like Thailand), but no way I'm leaving anything remotely valuable with a nightclub attendant in Jakarta in exchange for a number. They'll also charge you a 40 k rupiah for cover, which they make clear upon entry.

As opposed to Classic, Travel hotel has an advantage that they don't check you at the entrance, and there's also no entry fee.

The mamasans at Classic are pushy, but appear slightly more human-like than at Travel. Still the same spiel and green pointer routine, but they won't bring the girls over if you're actively telling them not to. It's still way too high pressure for my taste, unless you're very thick skinned, you can't just sip your drink and look at the girls for a while.

Now on to the good part. Girls sit on strongly lit sofas along two edges of the club. The lighting is harsh, their makeup is poor, and the distance is just enough that you can't see that well, so they don't look amazing out there -- much better in the room. Despite the pressure, I managed to actually take a cursory look at all the girls. Picked a tall one (170 cm), the mamasan did the laser pointer thing and she joined me. Paid mamasan upfront on the spot (350 k), and she went to do the paperwork, while my girl went off to pick her bag, or to the toilet, not sure. This took rather long (far longer than the time they allow you to look at girls), so I actually had more time to look over the choices and possibly regret. For a first-timer, the delay is also slightly disconcerting, since I don't know whether the pushy mama (whom I wouldn't be able to recognize in the darkness) just ran away with my cash never to be seen again. But no, eventually she comes back.

On to Fia, the tall girl from Java. 21 years old, no baby, an average face, but an absolute killer body, perfectly proportioned. You just don't find girls like that in Thailand anymore (at least not at anything near the comparable price).

Her service was acceptable in technical terms: she attempted some boilerplate small talk in her limited English, gave me a cursory shower, then on to a catbath, CBJ (I think close to a BBBJ but not quite), followed by pumping as I wished, with her being reasonably compliant with position changes. However, it all seemed pretty much off-a-checklist and clinical, with zero enthusiasm or an attempt at chemistry. In the shower, she didn't want me to touch her much, or get her hair or back wet. She allowed me to kiss her on the lips, but kept her mouth firmly closed. Technically allowed DATY (69), but was moving away. Not much eye contact. Seems like she was more concerned to make sure nothing unusual happens, rather than making any connection. Can't really blame her in any way, but I haven't had such an unsatisfying session in a long, long time (even the wham-bam shorties in low-end Asian brothels tend to come with more chemistry). Finished after about 30 min, with not much joy. Watching her shower was OK.

The room was good, clean and fresh, among better rooms I've been to in such establishments.

At the end, before we were about to go out, the girl asked for a tip. I wasn't about to volunteer one, but didn't want to make a scene either, so gave her 50 k. No complaints, nice thanks.

Total damage: 440 k. That's 40 k entry, 350 k session (one shot, up to 1 HR), 50 k tip, none of which are optional (I guess the tip can be refused if you're callous enough, but I'm not). That's only $34 USD or 1150 THB, a nice price.

Back to Travel hotel for another attempt. The mamasans were as annoying as the first time, but now I knew enough to ignore them. Similar setup to Classic, but the venue is smaller, with girls seated only along one side instead of two. The pesky mama actually pushed 5 girls on me (point with laser and up they jump) while I was only trying to look over the selection, which took not longer than 2 minutes. I refused them, not without discomfort, but once you know they're basically fully ignoring any of your wishes or signals, you can ignore them too, no need for common human kindness. Then picked a nice looking girl with a long face, and asked the mama. She actually brought 2 girls and wanted to push me into doing both for 550 k. An OK deal, but I clearly indicated I only wanted one (had to tell the mama 3 times until she accepted). Handed over 350 k, and this time the mama ran away with my number tag to do the paperwork. Bit uncomfortable since you get charged a silly sum if you lose it, but at least the girl stuck around, so it was OK.

The girl was a stunner from head to toe, a 24 year old from Java. Medium length hair, cute long face, perfect body, perfect legs, perfect feet. Definitely my spec, but again this became apparent in the room more than during the forced choosing process. I lived in Asia for many years, so I wouldn't call every girl in her 20's with acceptable body a stunner, but she surely was.

Service was only marginally better than the previous one. No mouth kissing (she turned away), perfunctory CBJ (no BBBJ), no eye contact. However, she seemed slightly more cheerful, and more willing to work at it. I got tired of screwing her (a session where the girl is non-responsive gets me soft after a while), so she finished me off with a long handjob while letting me admire her body and suck on various bits. Not bad overall. Gave her a 50 k tip, deserved this time.

Total damage: 400 k. That's 350 k session (one shot, up to 1 HR), 50 k tip. Only $30 USD or 1000 THB, won't break the bank.

Conclusions.

Would I visit Travel or Classic again? No, not really, unless I was in a bind.

I'm more of a service guy than a looks guy. For me it's also a major downside that there's no chance in hell of snapping a photo of the girl (always with permission, of course), so those looks are forgotten after a day and you can't even ojek about the session later (or even find her again in a few months unless your memory is stellar).

How does it compare to Thailand?

At $33 or so, the price is low, but service in Bangkok oilies (like Tulip) is 5 x better at about 2 x the price, albeit with uglier girls. I wouldn't even consider agogos in Thailand, too crappy these days, so if this is your scene, Jakarta will surely appeal. However, in Thailand there often seems to be more chemistry, the sex worker sessions can feel like a meeting of two people who don't mind being with each other, and there's at least some possibility of continuing the liaison for as long as you care for (even including marriage, stupid but many fell for it). In Jakarta spas like Travel / Classic, this is a non-option. Perhaps you could take a girl out, but it'll be heavily timed.

On the positive side, Indonesia has looks firmly on their side. Girls in Jakarta, while not necessarily better looking than Bangkok BTS girls, are clearly a class above the Issan girls in the nightlife industry.

Last, but not the least. I might be talking out of my ass, but I feel a dark foreboding in these places. Both the girl and the customer are non-actors, have little to no free choice and simply serve a purpose of making money for whoever controls the venues (mafia).

In almost all Thai venues, as a customer you can truly pick and choose at your pleasure, the world is your oyster. At Classic / Travel, you're only incidentally happen have some chance to choose (since the money is in your hand), but they'd much prefer you didn't.

In Thailand, sex workers in most venues have a choice of who they go with. Sure sometimes they may not like a customer much and still do it only for the money, but they could and do occasionally refuse. This holds even in low-end brothels for Thais or soapies, let alone the Farang bar / freelancer scene.

In Classic / Travel, I get a sense that the girls are not allowed to refuse at all, not even given an option to indicate pleasure or displeasure by smiling at you or looking away. The mama points with that laser, and they better jump up within 5 sec, or else. As a total newbie, I have no idea how things work behind the scenes, and won't rush into calling it sex slavery (they aren't in chains, and can technically go outside the venue outside working hours). However, it surely does not seem like proper choice either. In the best case scenario they have a binary choice -- either leave the job completely, or take the entire package. It could easily be worse than that. Does someone here with more Jakarta experience know more about how it works?

[Crocodilexp]

Last, but not least, Kalijodo.

This is allegedly the biggest RLD in Jakarta, geared towards the locals. I went there at midday, so there wasn't too much action on display, but an occasional house open and a few clusters of women sitting around. As a Bule, I'm not sure I'd be brave enough to go there at night, sleems like a shifty area.

This is located imediately south (across the street) from Best Western Harriston, on the street along a large canal (Jl. Kependuan II, Google says). The relevant stretch is fairly long, over 500 m. Clubs and brothels on one side, a green wall and the canal on the other. A few cops standing at the southern end.

Walked along twice, picked one woman, 150 k rupiah offered right away, not bad. She was 22 year old, bit plump, but nice enough. Tiny room, dirty mattress occupying most of it, water spigot in the corner. She tried going into her usual starfish mode (clothes off, lying on her back, eyes closed), but was surprised enough to see a Bule that I used that to my advantage. Bit of fondling, an unrushed handjob, even some DFK, she was sweet, wet and responsive in no time. Didn't ask for a BJ, nor was offered, and the FS fine, no problem switching position. Did about 15 min of shagging, then cleaned up, went out. No tip expected, actually she got out before I did, so I couldn't tip her even if I wanted to. Oddly, a somewhat better connection and higher GFE rating than with girls at Travel / Classic hotel, but that is almost certainly a fluke.

Not sure I'd do that again, but it's good to try everything once.

[LA Guy 5]

Last, but not least, Kalijodo.

This is allegedly the biggest RLD in Jakarta, geared towards the locals. I went there at midday, so there wasn't too much action on display, but an occasional house open and a few clusters of women sitting around. As a Bule, I'm not sure I'd be brave enough to go there at night, sleems like a shifty area.

This is located imediately south (across the street) from Best Western Harriston, on the street along a large canal (Jl. Kependuan II, Google says). The relevant stretch is fairly long, over 500 m. Clubs and brothels on one side, a green wall and the canal on the other. A few cops standing at the southern end.

Walked along twice, picked one woman, 150 k rupiah offered right away, not bad. She was 22 year old, bit plump, but nice enough. Tiny room, dirty mattress occupying most of it, water spigot in the corner. She tried going into her usual starfish mode (clothes off, lying on her back, eyes closed), but was surprised enough to see a Bule that I used that to my advantage. Bit of fondling, an unrushed handjob, even some DFK, she was sweet, wet and responsive in no time. Didn't ask for a BJ, nor was offered, and the FS fine, no problem switching position. Did about 15 min of shagging, then cleaned up, went out. No tip expected, actually she got out before I did, so I couldn't tip her even if I wanted to. Oddly, a somewhat better connection and higher GFE rating than with girls at Travel / Classic hotel, but that is almost certainly a fluke.

Not sure I'd do that again, but it's good to try everything once.Noting that you have visited both Kalijodo (an indication you are adventurous) and Travel / Classic, I would recommend on your next trip you try out the Penjay places like Sari Ayu, LA Bar, and so forth. About the same price as Classic or Travel, but the service is generally better (although nothing like the PSE Oilies in Bangkok). The rooms are generally a step down from those at Travel / Classic (if that matters) although you can pay a bit more at LA Bar and get the VIP room, which is quite nice.

Another place to try would be Maribaya Massage in the Melawai Hotel in Bloc M. Although the range of service offerings is not as great as the PSE oilies of Bangkok, it probably is the closest thing to them in Jakarta. Like the oilies the girls are not stunners for the most part, but on my last few visits there I would say the average was a bit above that in the Bangkok PSE oilies. I was quite happy with my picks there, both in terms of their appearance, and their service.

Although Classic and Travel are places one should probably visit at least once, I have had no memorable sessions at them and rarely visit either anymore. I have had many good to great experiences at the Penjay bars (although intermixed with a few mediocre sessions), and recently at Maribaya as well.

[Smoothy]

As far as brothels in Jakarta go, I still think Kings Cross is the best place in the city for value for money with nice rooms, hot women, and pretty good service.

[Smoothy]

How does it compare to Thailand?

At $33 or so, the price is low, but service in Bangkok oilies (like Tulip) is 5 x better at about 2 x the price, albeit with uglier girls. I wouldn't even consider agogos in Thailand, too crappy these days, so if this is your scene, Jakarta will surely appeal. However, in Thailand there often seems to be more chemistry, the sex worker sessions can feel like a meeting of two people who don't mind being with each other, and there's at least some possibility of continuing the liaison for as long as you care for (even including marriage, stupid but many fell for it). In Jakarta spas like Travel / Classic, this is a non-option. Perhaps you could take a girl out, but it'll be heavily timed.

On the positive side, Indonesia has looks firmly on their side. Girls in Jakarta, while not necessarily better looking than Bangkok BTS girls, are clearly a class above the Issan girls in the nightlife industry.

Last, but not the least. I might be talking out of my ass, but I feel a dark foreboding in these places. Both the girl and the customer are non-actors, have little to no free choice and simply serve a purpose of making money for whoever controls the venues (mafia).

In almost all Thai venues, as a customer you can truly pick and choose at your pleasure, the world is your oyster. At Classic / Travel, you're only incidentally happen have some chance to choose (since the money is in your hand), but they'd much prefer you didn't.

In Thailand, sex workers in most venues have a choice of who they go with. Sure sometimes they may not like a customer much and still do it only for the money, but they could and do occasionally refuse. This holds even in low-end brothels for Thais or soapies, let alone the Farang bar / freelancer scene.

In Classic / Travel, I get a sense that the girls are not allowed to refuse at all, not even given an option to indicate pleasure or displeasure by smiling at you or looking away. The mama points with that laser, and they better jump up within 5 sec, or else. As a total newbie, I have no idea how things work behind the scenes, and won't rush into calling it sex slavery (they aren't in chains, and can technically go outside the venue outside working hours). However, it surely does not seem like proper choice either. In the best case scenario they have a binary choice -- either leave the job completely, or take the entire package. It could easily be worse than that. Does someone here with more Jakarta experience know more about how it works?You are astute. You hit it right on the head. Those girls are mafia controlled sex slaves. However, you were going with girls in the mafia controlled brothels of North Jakarta. Try asking one of those brothel girls to go to Bali with you and see what happens. Even if you have had sex with that same girl 100 times in the past year and she really likes you and would love to go to Bali with you, she will not be able to. Unless you pay the mamasan something like 2 or 3 million rupiah per day to take her to Bali with you.

However, there is a drastic difference between those mafia controlled girls and the free lancers at BATS and CJS or even the girls at Hotel Melawai Maribaya massage. Those girls are free to do as they please, and they almost always provide excellent service. Ask one of those CJs or BATS girls to go to Bali with you and they will be packing their bags immediately, and most times dont even care if you give them any money. As long as you pay their airfare and expenses, and buy them a couple of things there, they are usually happy. Most western guys seem to prefer the free lancers or hitting the malls and internet for girls over the brothels. I know I do. Most Asian guys seem to prefer the brothels.

[Lost99]

I read in another post the ST rate here is 325 k all-in (plus tips).

Anybody know if there is only 1 class of girls? Is there a model class which is more expensive?

Also, anybody know the LT rate for overnight? Most places charge 3-5 times the ST rate depending on time, just want to confirm if anyone knows.

[MasBule]

To add to Smoothys comments on the penjay bars. They are also far easier to sit and have a beer and a smoke in, with the music not as loud and as offensive as Classic. Plus the madams are alot more relaxed, not as pushy as Classic hotel. Makes for a better experience IMHO.


Noting that you have visited both Kalijodo (an indication you are adventurous) and Travel / Classic, I would recommend on your next trip you try out the Penjay places like Sari Ayu, LA Bar, and so forth. About the same price as Classic or Travel, but the service is generally better (although nothing like the PSE Oilies in Bangkok). The rooms are generally a step down from those at Travel / Classic (if that matters) although you can pay a bit more at LA Bar and get the VIP room, which is quite nice.

Another place to try would be Maribaya Massage in the Melawai Hotel in Bloc M. Although the range of service offerings is not as great as the PSE oilies of Bangkok, it probably is the closest thing to them in Jakarta. Like the oilies the girls are not stunners for the most part, but on my last few visits there I would say the average was a bit above that in the Bangkok PSE oilies. I was quite happy with my picks there, both in terms of their appearance, and their service.

Although Classic and Travel are places one should probably visit at least once, I have had no memorable sessions at them and rarely visit either anymore. I have had many good to great experiences at the Penjay bars (although intermixed with a few mediocre sessions), and recently at Maribaya as well.

[LA Guy 5]

I read in another post the ST rate here is 325 k all-in (plus tips).

Anybody know if there is only 1 class of girls? Is there a model class which is more expensive?

Also, anybody know the LT rate for overnight? Most places charge 3-5 times the ST rate depending on time, just want to confirm if anyone knows.I have only been to BM a few times, but on one visit learned one of the girls I was considering was a "freelancer. " Her price might have been marginally more expensive than the "contract girls," but the difference would have been rather inconsequential, e.g. , 50,000 rupiah at the most.

Frankly, the freelancer vs. Contract girl distinction is not at all transparent at bars such as these, and I sometimes wonder whether they throw around the term "freelancer" when they just want to charge a bit more. But my best sense of things is they are indeed freelancers in the sense they are not bound by a relatively long-time (meaning many months at least) contract.

I have also run across this distinction at the Penjay bars, but only remember one instance at LABar where they tried to charge me a bit more owing to the freelancer label. I had previously been with the same girl at the lower price, so I'm not sure what was up (given I had recently been with her at the lower price, I declined the session not wanting to encourage price creep).

But the short answer is there is no significantly more expensive model class at BM unless things have changed recently, which I doubt.

[Smoothy]

By 8 pm, those places are also loud as hell with house music and packed with mostly drunken uneducated locals at night. I find those type of places miserable at night and avoid them. I normally don't go to the brothels up north at night, but if I do go to one at night, it will be either Malioboro or Kings Cross. The customers at those places are much higher class and those places are not as loud.

[LA Guy 5]

By 8 pm, those places are also loud as hell with house music and packed with mostly drunken uneducated locals at night. I find those type of places miserable at night and avoid them. I normally don't go to the brothels up north at night, but if I do go to one at night, it will be either Malioboro or Kings Cross. The customers at those places are much higher class and those places are not as loud.I usually go to the North Jakarta places late afternoon so avoid a lot of the nonsense. And Malioboro early to mid-evening although I'm not a regular there. Haven't tried Kings Cross but based on what I have been reading here recently may give it a try during my next trip.

[Fast Eddie 48]

I read in another post the ST rate here is 325 k all-in (plus tips).

Anybody know if there is only 1 class of girls? Is there a model class which is more expensive?

Also, anybody know the LT rate for overnight? Most places charge 3-5 times the ST rate depending on time, just want to confirm if anyone knows.To Lost99.

I been to Bintang a few time this place is going down hill I did pick a girl last yr is now 350 k in house only w room upstair girl is average very little english, this place cater mostly to local and dark and smokey you should go to classic and hotel travel near by for the same cost room is much better there, if you want LT go to pick up at disco and mall for freelance if you want model class looking at 2 Mil and up.

Fast eddie 48.

[Uncle Volodya]

Indonesia newbie here, reporting on my first trip in Feb 2015. I have been visiting Thailand and a few other places many times over 30 years (and living in Pattaya for some time), so intevitably, I'll be comparing my experiences in Jakarta to Thailand.
Thanks for your honest and detailed post. I too have toyed with visiting Indonesia, but had my doubts about the scene there. Especially compared to Thailand. Your reports seem to confirm some of my doubts.

It will be interesting to compare your reports to the upcoming reports form NattyB. It seems like he is very enthusiastic about Indo and that the girls he hooked up with offered real FE Btu I also think he was visiting much more expensive establishments.

Stay horny my friend!

Uncle-V.

[Downandup]

Crocodilexp,

Thanks for your report, it's made me reconsider my plans for a pre-Christmas trip, I was looking at spending a week or more in Jakarta in mid December.

Something I have to ask, how long long were you there? You talked about Travel and Classic but it looked as if you were there only three days or so. I wonder if you had a bad experience and also if you could have done better in some other location?

[Member #4698]

I had a really great time in Jakarta while on my 2015 Spring Asian Trip. If I were to compare Jakarta to Bangkok based solely on the quality of the girls I found there, I would have to say Jakarta wins 8 to 6. Yes, its amazing, but true! Jakarta girls are arguably the most sexy, best looking, most voluptuous, and passionate girls in all of southern Asia. Of course I went to the top places and spent beaucoup Rupiah.

Also let it be said, I am still a newbie when it comes to Jakarta. There are still a lot of places I want to try out. A friend and fellow punter, with a lot more experience in Jakarta than I, gave me a short list of "must go to" places before I left on my trip. I intended to visit them all, but unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you look at it, I never got around to most of them. At my pace it may take me 10 years to hit all the places on his short list, but, that's ok with me. I am in no hurry.

Anyway, at the top of the list is Malioboro and Malio Club, of course. I already knew this was a great venue from my 2014 trip. So I started out in Malioboro on my 1st night in town where I met 3 very sexy young dancers. I found out on my 2nd night there that the 3 girls were best friends with Auilia, one of the Malioboro dancers I shagged in 2014. Cut to the chase; I could not tear myself away from all 4 of them. 555. Below are a few pics of Ki KI, Chi Chi, and Aulia. I ended up shagging all 3 girlfriends and Aulia on successive nights. Each girl brought something different, spontaneous, and rewarding to the bedroom. All the sessions were memorable.

While in Jakarta I also paid a visit to Hotel Alexis where I selected a young 18 year old Indo girl. She was very sweet, but I have found that when a mamasan says a girl is "young" it usually means she is shy and not very experienced with customers so I have to take it slow with her and be extra tender. I suppose some punters like that feigned innocence, but I prefer a randy 20 to 22 year old who knows how to please and wants to. Anyway, Malioboro is just too hot! It is my current favorite bordello in all of Asia with scores of young Indo girls as attractive as Ki Ki and Chi Chi. I could easily spend a couple weeks in this place and take a different girl upstairs every night and not run out of beauties. On my last night in Jakarta before flying to BKK, with Ki Ki and Chi Chi taking the night off, I went upstairs with Bella, a friendly Vietnamese girl, for a change of pace. She was very nice and sweet, but not in the same league with my 4 Malioboro dancers.

Now when I say Malioboro is my current favorite bordello in South East Asia, I am not kidding. And I am comparing it to some really great top notch establishments like Rio Spa and Familia Nobre in Macau, and La Belle and the Lord Soapies in BKK. I just found Malioboro to be a more fun place with a great selection of girls. But like I said above, this level of quality don't come cheap. Malioboro brothel girls, of which there are scores and scores are 800,000 rp and 1,200,000 rp. The dancers (my girls) are around 2,000,000 rp. I forget how much the import girls are, but I do recall that my Vietnamese girl was significantly less than 2 mil however.

And I haven't yet mentioned Marsya, my CJ's girl, that I met on my 3rd to last night of the entire trip before heading home. It was Wednesday night, ladies night at CJ's and the place was packed with quality talent. IMHO, the only 5 star international hotel FL pick up bar with equal or higher talent is Brix Bar at the Hyatt in Singapore, but Cj's has a lot more girls than Brix and all of the CJ girls are local. Anyway, I liked Marsya so much that I finished out my trip with her, 3 nights in a row, and never made it back to Malioboro, What a great GFE to end a 2 month trip on! So needless to say, I am planing to return to Jakarta for a 3rd time as soon as possible. LOL. I am in weekly Viber communication with Marsya and she wants to show me around Jakarta and Java. I also intend to go back to Malioboro to see my girls and I plan to hit a few other places on my "must do" list like Fashion Hotel, Emporium Spa Hotel, the'Heaven Spa, and King Cross in no particular order. Ah, wishful thinking on my part, because I know in advance, I will not hit all these places in one trip. There are too many distractions. Jakarta girls really do rule! All things considered, I think that at the present time, they are the hottest girls in Asia, but they are NOT CHEAP. And unfortunately, Jakarta itself is not as visitor friendly a city as BKK, otherwise I would consider spending 4 weeks here like I usually spend in BKK. But, I am warming up to Jakarta and I am definitely returning to Jakarta during my 2016 winter trip. I will probably allocate 2 full weeks here and I might take Marsya on a beach holiday. I will have to see how it goes with her on my return before I commit to anything. But the bottom line is; I just can't get enough of these amazing girls.

[Smoothy]

Now when I say Malioboro is my current favorite bordello in South East Asia, I am not kidding. And I am comparing it to some really great top notch establishments like Rio Spa and Familia Nobre in Macau, and La Belle and the Lord Soapies in BKK. I just found Malioboro to be a more fun place with a great selection of girls. But like I said above, this level of quality don't come cheap. Malioboro brothel girls, of which there are scores and scores are 800,000 rp and 1,200,000 rp. The dancers (my girls) are around 2,000,000 rp. I forget how much the import girls are, but I do recall that my Vietnamese girl was significantly less than 2 mil however.After Kings Cross, I prefer Malioboro over any brothel in Jakarta as well. I believe that the Vietnamese girls are either 1. 8 million or 2. 2 million now (at least it was the last time I took one, as well as the other imports). Although someone told me they heard the price was 2.8 for some of the girls there now, so I'm not certain if it has increased. The dancers used to only be 1. 2 million, but I haven't taken on in over 5 years, so I'd guess 2 million is about right. I also like the lap dances with the girls, and normally get my fair share while I am there. At 50,000 a dance and the girls only spending a minute or two with you before asking for another 50,000, that can add up as well. If you don't mind spending 300 usd for the evening, Malioboro is a very good choice. Alexis is a bit nicer, but then you are talking closer to 500 usd by the time you leave. So I think Alexis is a bit too expensive. I also think that Alexis is more stale than Malioboro since I like watching the sexy dancers at Malio. The only reason I prefer Kings Cross over Malioboro is that it's cheaper. If they were the same price, Malioboro is better than KC.

However, if you have the impression that the girls in Malioboro are any hotter than the girls in Bangkok for the same price, I'm not sure that's accurate. In Bangkok, I actually prefer more down market than Malioboro because I think the quality and comfort of the downmarket places in Bangkok is better than in Jakarta. However, I've had some Thai guys from the office take me to some places in Bangkok where the girls are absolutely stunning. Supposedly the girls are "models" in sexy magazines like penthouse or something. They are very very nice, but they cost around 5 to 8,000 baht. I agree that those places in Bangkok with the stunners are not as fun as Malioboro though. Malioboro has similar ambience of Soi Cowboy dancers in the dancing area, along with nice rooms upstairs. Those nicer places in Bangkok, the girls just sit there in nice dresses, there are no sexy dancers. And there are some stunners in Malioboro and Alexis as well.

In Jakarta, if I had my choice of any of them for the same price, I would choose the Vietnamese chicks at Alexis. But then again, that ends up being 500 usd by the time I pay for the girl, drinks, tax and tip.

[Crocodilexp]

Crocodilexp,

Thanks for your report, it's made me reconsider my plans for a pre-Christmas trip, I was looking at spending a week or more in Jakarta in mid December.

Something I have to ask, how long long were you there? You talked about Travel and Classic but it looked as if you were there only three days or so. I wonder if you had a bad experience and also if you could have done better in some other location?

I was there for about 2 weeks, but you're right, was only mongering for 3 days or so.

Meeting regular girls online is a worthwhile pursuit in Jakarta, white people are in high demand. I dabbled a bit with that, though I'm no pickup artist. During my brief visit, I've seen a few rather decrepit looking (although well dressed) white gentlemen with knockout (and classy!) girls, the beautiful disparity I did not see in Bangkok in the last 5 years or longer.

If you can pass for under 45 or so, you'll be amazed by the opportunities. However, it does take a fair bit of legwork (pipelining before the trip), some minimal game, and a fair bit of time / patience. Not every date pans out, and it could easily take 2-3 days before scoring. Not sure whether discussing online dating is out of scope for this forum.

Jakarta is well worth a visit, though you might want to keep your plans flexible.

Note that December is rainy season, there could be flooding making the already awful traffic even less bearable.

[Lost99]

If you can pass for under 45 or so, you'll be amazed by the opportunities. However, it does take a fair bit of legwork (pipelining before the trip), some minimal game, and a fair bit of time / patience. Not every date pans out, and it could easily take 2-3 days before scoringI know this quote was with reference to 'online pickup', but I think the same applies to street / mall pickup as well, as long as you try to look good sound confident, and don't care about rejection once in awhile. The odds of success in Jakarta are much better than Thailand, and miles ahead of the States.

If you are older guy, you may have better luck targeting milfs at malls, coffee shops, markets, food stalls etc. I much prefer this to online as you get to "see the goods" in person before making an approach. Language has never been an issue if the girl is friendly and open, and makes it more fun at time. Thank goodness for Google translate.

[Ceegee]

Meeting regular girls online is a worthwhile pursuit in Jakarta
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Not every date pans out, and it could easily take 2-3 days before scoring. Not sure whether discussing online dating is out of scope for this forum.
I've posted my current modus operandi before, I almost exclusively use the dating sites now. Plenty of pro / semi-pro / horny girls who appreciate some taxi fare to be had on the dating sites. If I am going out drinking with mates I will go to the various places talked about here, but that is more of a social outing than a shag fest. Of course shagging happens, but the main event is socializing. If I am on my own in a hotel and have to work in the morning I just have the girl come to my hotel. If a girl agrees to come to your hotel, you are going to shag her.

Sort out the money issue up front before she gets there so there is no confusion, and even if she says she is not like that and does not want money, if she incurred cost (taxi / train) I make sure I give her some. The last time I shagged a 'good girl' who did not want any money, she actually did want / need it but was too shy to tell me, so I don't make that mistake any more.

[Uncle Volodya]

But the bottom line is; I just can't get enough of these amazing girls.Haha!

I am happy to her you had a great time Natty!

What is the going rate for FL's at CJ's? You know that I am all about the FL scene.

I am really looing forward to reading your reports!

Stay horny my friend.

Uncle-V.

[Smoothy]

What is the going rate for FL's at CJ's? 1. 5 million short time.

[Member #4537]

1. 5 million short time.You can get some of them for a cool million if it's near closing time and they haven't done a trick yet or if the rent needs to be paid the following day.

Jakarta has always been a buyer's market. Same goes for BATS by the way. Oh, and don't tell them it's your first time in Indonesia or that you're a business traveler.

[Member #4537]

To add to Smoothys comments on the penjay bars. They are also far easier to sit and have a beer and a smoke in, with the music not as loud and as offensive as Classic.Makes for a better experience IMHO.I disagree as the few times I have been there I have never found a seat. And the rooms upstairs are filled with cockroaches and bedbugs. What's worse, there's no hot water and I've even found used condoms near the sink.

[IllusionHeart]

May 3 (Day 10: Sunday) Continued from Angeles City, Philippines.


I landed at around 12 am. VOA was a breeze, barely took 10 minutes as I had walked fast before the crowd got into the VISA queue. I got out and into the queue for a Bluebird taxi to Hotel. I had booked 5 nights in Mercure Kota for my stay in Jakarta after recommendation from forum members. I chose the Executive Room, cost me approx. 350 SGD without breakfast. After a good hour of wait I got a Cab and finally reached Hotel, checked in. I had Millie's Disco in Lokasari Plaza in mind and it was near hence a good chance of getting their without much trouble. I freshened up quickly and took a taxi from the Hotel. I liked this about Mercure that they always had blue birds on call and got one for you in minutes.

The Taxi buy drove me right up to the entrance from where I could take a lift to the joint. I asked him about the fare but he wanted more, 5000 Rupiah extra for parking. I was slightly confused on this but as it was already late I paid him the money which was 12000 + 5000. The guy pocketed the 20000 note I gave him and refused to hand over the change. So much for Bluebird honesty.

Millies Disco


I paid 35 k entrance fee and got inside. As soon as I stepped in I couldn't see a thing. There was good EDM music playing and all I could see was faint people's faces peeking into their smart phones. The disco was extremely dark. It took good 5 minutes for me to acclimatize my eyes to the environment. I noticed the bar and walked right up to it. Got seated on a chair by the bar. I could barely see people's faces. Just their body sizes good enough to make out whether it was a girl or a guy. There was hardly any crowd. Few girls accompanied by guys. I ordered myself a JD cola, 90 k, almost 9 or 10 SGD, not steep and got a small bottle of water in lieu of the 35 k entrance fee I had paid. I hung around for some time. Two girls and 1 guy came and sat beside me, were local and enjoying. I smiled at the girl, don't know if she noticed but she came towards me said something in Bahasa. I told her that I spoke only English. She then asked me where I was from and what was I doing in Jakarta, etc. I replied to her Qs politely. She then asked me for a smoke. I offered her my Mevius light packet but she insisted that she smoked only menthol. I said sorry then she told me whether I would buy menthol for her. I was slightly surprised as to why would I buy that girl a packet of cigarette when I could barely see her face and body. Besides she was already with her friends. She then asked me again if I could buy her menthol and pointed at the tables in the corner. I realized that something is wrong. Maybe she's asking me to buy some dope for her. I refused and said she can go and get herself a menthol if she wanted. She shrugged and went back to her friends. I hung around for some time but with no girl in sight or anything to do finished my drink and decided to go back to the hotel. I retraced my steps towards the lift and soon as I got in the liftman asked me whether I wanted some X. I said No and told him to get me down. I stepped out and decided to walk towards the Hotel. I spotted a 7/11 within the plaza and got myself a XL $G sim for 10 krupiah. I asked about the 4 G data plan but guys didn't know anything about it and asked me to go to XL center. I picked the sim and walked back to Hotel. As soon as I got into the room decided to log into ISG. But both the mobile and Hotel internet seems to have blocked ISG. I was not able to access the forum for the next 5 days till I got out of Jakarta.

[IllusionHeart]

May 4 (Day 11: Monday)


I got up at 11 am and spotted a Dunkin right across the road from my Hotel room. I went and got some breakfast. Checked all dating apps and sent some messages. WeChat got me massage places by loads but not any great women around. Then I decided to find a XL center to get my 4 G data plan activated. I crossed over to the hotel and checked with the reception guy who told me that there is a store in Gaja Madah plaza. I took a blue bird and went there. Same problem, taxi guy refused to give me back 3000 rupiah, no change. I wondered if these guys were honest then how bad would be the other taxi guys. The store was in the lane besides the Mercure Harmoni hotel. Got my phone sorted out after good 45 minutes of waiting. Walked back to Hotel and just as I reached it started to rain. It poured for the next few hours. I had planned to visit Alexis in the afternoon but now had to wait for the rain to stop.

Alexis Hotel


I reached Alexis at 7 pm eventually, had to brave some traffic and cost me 65 k from the hotel. Got into the lift and straight up to the 7th Floor spa. Got my token and went up the stairs to the changing room. I wanted to have a look at the girls first so walked right into the main hall. I was immediately welcomed by a papasan, feels right. As I was alone I was made to sit on the long chair. He then explained to me the options available. He told me that Imports were 2. 37 Mill whereas the local gals were 1. 37 mill. He then asked me which ones I wanted to see. As this was my first time I thought why not take a look at all. So he first summoned the Thai ladies. Around 5 but very average, not worth the money being asked. Next were the East Europeans, around 5 gals again but pretty average. Then he summoned the PRC gals, found two quite sweet and sexy looking amongst the 7 present there. Then he clapped and summoned "Vietnam" and behold an entourage of 8 or 9 girls walked towards me. They all stood and in a semi-circle, wished me in Viet jointly with smiles. I found the 1 gal I was looking for. I asked him how it worked, whether I had to point and tell him. He told me I had to remember their nos. The Viet gals said bye and went away. In the meantime I had ordered a Corona. I told him that I need some time to decide to which he replied I can take as long as I want. I pondered over whether to take a PRC gal or Viet. Both were available in Singapore but I had not come across such beautiful girls during any of my visits. Amidst this commotion in my mind I didn't call for the local gals. Eventually I decided upon the Viet gal and asked him to call her over. I didn't remember her no so he summoned all of them. I smiled to everyone and noticed the no of the gal I wanted. As they were leaving I indicated to him my choice. He then called her over and she came and stood beside me. I asked her name and it was Nicolette. I found it a strange name for a Viet girl but didn't mind. She asked me whether I was ready to go. I nodded so she told me that I need to go and change into spa clothes and she will meet me near the Jacuzzi. I went and changed, took my sagami 0. 02 and smoked in the small pouch provided and walked towards the Jacuzzi. She was standing there in her bikini revealing her sexy curves and asked me to put my things into a locker. I kept my beer on the table and then accompanied her. She got me into the hot Jacuzzi and gave me a good face massage with hot towel for 5 minutes. She then massaged my shoulders and back. She slowly guided her hand to my dick over the shorts and started playing. I pulled her closer to me and got her on my lap. I kissed her on the lips and she was ok. There was only one other couple in the pool. The girl was PRC and they were at the other side and were busy with their own game. Meanwhile Nicollete continued rubbing my dick leading to a raging hard on. I got my hands over her be sized breasts and kissed her. She responded well and then whispered in my ear to go to the room. I couldn't wait any further. I immediately changed, got my stuff and beer and off we went one floor down to the rooms. It was one of the plushest rooms I have ever seen in any massage parlour or spa till date. She got to shower and brush. We got onto the bed. Little bit of foreplay followed with some good DFK. She then stopped and opened a rubber. I was surprised. I was expecting a BBJ but she said that they could offer only a CBJ. I was slightly dejected but wanted to carry on. It was an average BJ. I got her to mount me and started pumping her. Then changed position to missionary and then doggy. I could hear her slight fake moaning and wanted to get my load out before it turned me off. I finished and we lied besides each other for some time. I asked her that how was she named Nicolette to which she replied that her real name was Mi and it was her work name. I remembered one encounter in my earlier visits to OT with a girl names Mi. We got up and I took a shower. She then presented me with a slip which had different boxes as options for tip. I ticked on 200 k. She smiled back and was happy. She led me out to the changing area. I contemplated whether I should stick around for some time and check the Indo gals or come later. I decided to come back later. I changed and came down to settle my tab which came to 2. 7 Mill. I paid by cash and handed over the token to the guard who let me go into the lift. I came back to hotel and was pleasantly happy with the experience. The ambience was superb and it was a different feeling compared to the Soapies and Oilies I had been to in Thailand.

Overall experience 7/10.

Malioboro


I had planned for 2 spa visits on each day of my stay there covering all key ones. I rested for about half an hour and then checked on google maps which one I should go to. Malioboro seemed the closest so I took a bluebird from hotel and went to Mc Donald's near Mercure Harmoni, got some food then walked to Mailoboro. I entered and took my token, was guided to the spa on the ground floor. I looked around and there were some Japanese men cleaning up and relaxing but no girls. I then remembered that I also had to check the Mailo club. So I took the lift up to the 4th floor then walked across the hallway till the end wherein 2 security guards checked my token no. I asked them where the malio club was and they told me to take the lift downstairs. I came down and was immediately accosted by a mamasan who guided me to a chair near the stage. I told her that I wanted to look around. There were nude women dancing on stage. I went around till the back and could see sexy good looking women in bikinis spread all around. I managed to get a seat facing the stage. There were some beautiful women up on stage and I was Happy. Immediately like a swarm of bees the bikini girls circled around me and started bombarding me with questions about where I was from, what was my name, was I on holiday, etc. I told them that I need some time alone and will call them back. 2 even asked whether I can buy them drinks. I told them to leave me alone for some time. I had read about the drinks and how it can screw your entire evening's budget. They left but 2 remained seated around me. I ordered for a Guinness and started sipping slowly taking in the ambience. I had a good look at the girls on stage and the bikini girls around. These indeed were the most beautiful indo girls I had seen so far. Amazing bodies and great looks. I didn't mind paying 2 mill for anyone of them. One of the girl sitting across to me was a real looker and killer body. I asked her whether she wanted a drink to which she smilingly nodded. She called over the waiter who came with shots asked me how many. She wanted four so I asked him how much each cost. He said 50 k so I told him to get one. Her face dropped but she still continued to smile at me. Language was a problem so not much chit chat. She finished her drink in a single gulp. The girl sitting next to her asked me for a drink. I thought to myself that it was time for me to leave. SO I told them that I will comeback after freshening up at the spa. As I left the mamasan was standing near the door and asked me if everything was ok to which I positively nodded. I took the lift upstairs then across the hallway and wanted to take the lift to go down to the selection floor. The liftman told me that the lift is used only for going up floors and not down. I was quite amused and took the stairs to the 3rd floor and walked in. It was a small pub but didn't have the feel of the Malio club I had just been to. I walked out and took the stairs to the second floor. I went in and into the main hall. This place had tables wherein guys were seated. To the left was an area wherein all girls were seated. There was a small stage in the centre and few girls were dancing, few of them beautiful but not as the ones I had seen earlier. I got myself seated and ordered another Guinness. One mamasan approached me and asked me whether I wanted to choose a girl. She had PRC girls and they were in some good quantity. I wanted to sample local fare so I asked her to show me Indonesian girls. She then told me the rates written on paper. PRC girls were 1 mill and 1. 2 mill for models. Indo girls were 800 k and 1 mill for models. She then asked a papasan to come over and show me girls. He immediately summoned a set of girls, approx. 8, found 2 to my taste. I picked one and the others left. In the meantime the dancers on the stage had gone nude. I asked her if she wanted a drink to which she said no. I asked her if she was ok to which she said that she had a bad cold. These were not good signs so I told her to call over the papasan. She called him over and I asked her to go back to her seating area. I told papasan that I need another girl. He looked puzzled but I told him that I am not ok with that girl /. He summoned the rest of them over. I picked the second girl I had liked earlier. She got seated beside me. I got her a green ice tea. She added a pack of cigarettes to the order, Icouldn't refuse. Her name was Siskaa. Usual chat and we were off to the room. I was surprised that this place had more PRC girls then Indo. The congregation of men there was also dominantly of PRC guys. We took the lift up to the fourth floor and got into oneof the rooms. Room was pretty basic with a thick mattress on the floor. We took shower and got on with the session. The girl offered me a BBJ but was not keen on DFK. Besides girls here were referring to me as mister despite telling them my name and it's not so difficult to remember. We had a decent WOT, miss and doggy session, got over fast. It wasn't as passionate but I had tasted my first Indo girl. She got me added on fb and I offered her a cash tip of 100 k and we walked out. I was not completely satisfied with the session but it was ok.

Overall experience 6. 5/10.

Few things which I didnt bother to ask the mamasan or papasan is whether the bikini or dancer girls in the Malio club are bar finable. Similarly are the dancer girls in the main hall area also available. These girls were much better looking with great bodies compared to the girls available through papasan. I didnt have access to the forum to post this query at that time and left without exploring it much further. I wouldnt have minded paying 2 mill or more for some of those girls as they were totally worth it. Request if forum members can throw some light on this subject.

Golden Crown


It was 1 am by the time I was out. I took a blue bird post paying 20 k tip to the guard who were not closing the taxi door and letting me go. I wanted to go to Golden Crown but neither the taxi guy no I was aware of the location. I asked him to drop me to Mercure. I went to the room, changed into trousers and was back down in minutes. I told the bell boy to get me a taxi who knew where golden crown was. He got me one. The taxi guy drove right up to the entrance. As usual he didn't have change and pocketed my balance money along with 5 k parking charges. I never understood this system and decided to take it as ancillary expenses henceforth. Entry was 35 k. I walked into the main disco hall. This place was as dark as Millie's but quite huge in comparison. The DJ was located up on a revolving stage almost a floor above. I walked around without stumbling but could barely see a face amongst the strobe lights. I came back and got myself a seat on a table near the entrance. There was barely a crowd there. Within minutes of me seated two women approached me. Tried to chat to me but I could notice from the light coming in from the entrance that they were cougars and I wasn't there for them. I got rid of them. Few minutes later another cougar walked up asked me if I was alone. I replied that I was waiting for my girlfriend, she went away. I then walked out see what else was available. When I came out I caught hold of a staff walking by. I asked him if there were any other rooms or pub within the vicinity. He told me that there were two discos and rest were Karaoke rooms. I asked him where the other disco was. He then took me to the end of the hallway. Now this was what I called a disco. It was a small but open area, ample light to notice women's faces. Good crowd around, lots of young women in groups. I took a walk around and decided to come back later as I was tired and wanted to go to sleep now. I took the lift and walked out. There were some taxi guys but I avoided them and walked up to the main road. I waved a bluebird over who dropped me off to Mercure. I called it a night.

[IllusionHeart]

May 5 (Day 12: Tuesday)


Alexis (2nd Visit)


I started my day with breakfast at Dunkin at 12 pm and then followed up on social apps for leads or interests, some responses but not very positive, left few more messages and gave up. I had checked the earlier day regarding the opening time of Alexis and it was 2 pm. I wanted to go back to Alexis and take an Indo girl. I reached Alexis around 3. 30 pm. The usual imports were there however the Indo corner had more than 30 girls, good news for me as I had a wide choice. As there were not many customers I was seated on the sofa right with the PRCs on the right, Indo's on front, Viet's at my left and Thai and EE were behind me. I guess this position was extremely suitable for me. Only issue being that since there were not many customers I couldn't see the girls walk. I would have to summon them though mamasan and it becomes extremely overwhelming and nerve wrecking to make a choice when so many beautiful girls are standing in front of you and dozens other looking at who you pick. Never felt this kind of pressure in my FKK visits. I sipped on Guinness and tried to focus on a girl. The indo girl section was too crowded and unless I didn't want to make a choice just by seeing someone's face. The mamasan came to me and asked me if I was ready to make a selection. I nodded and she asked me which girls to call. I told her that I wanted to see the Indo girls but since there were too many she could get only the ones who were tall and slim. She went away towards the girls section and started picking at random. I didn't know what she understood from my choice but she got me approx. 8 girls including short, chubby, tall and thin. Luckily I liked one girl and she joined me at my table. She ordered a coconut drink. Her work name was Amelia and she was from Bandung. With pleasantries over we went to the Jacuzzi. She had a good body with an amazing arse and her two piece indeed was helping reveal her figure. We spent some time in the hot water with some light pecking, she was acting too shy to DFK there even when the entire pool was left to ourselves with no one around. We went to the room. Amelia opened up in the room and kissed me well. Got into the shower and on to bed. She had good be sized breasts and a curvy ass. Now I realize what forum members meant when they referred to Indo girls as Latinas of the east. Her butt was simply amazing. She played with my dick in her hand and licking all over my naval area getting me an instant hard on. She then tried to reach for the condom but I stopped her and said that I will give her a good tip if she does BBBJ. Surprisingly she agreed and gave me a decent BBBJ. I got her on Top of me, she was having slight difficulty in accommodating me, seemed she will still dry inside. I puller her closer to me and got into DFK with her and she responded well. After a few thrusts I asked her to change position. She was slightly surprised as to why so fast. I had her arse on my mind and wanted to take her doggy. Got her into position and pounded her for the next few minutes holding and slitting her buns. She reached out to kiss me and I did. Her breasts were too soft and I was ok with that as her arse was compensating for the firmness I wanted. I came within few minutes. I just lied on top of her for few seconds and rolled over to her side. She had a slight puzzled face why had I finished so soon. Her arse had done the trick and I enjoyed those few minutes very well. I gave her 200 k tip and kissed her goodbye. Like yesterday I wanted to stick around and do another round but then there were so many other places to check out this being my maiden trip. I really enjoyed the girl selection, ambience and over all experience at Alexis and will recommend everyone to do atleast 1 session there. I paid the tab which came to approx. 1. 7 Mill and came back to Hotel. I rested and watched TV for some time, tried social apps but all I could get on WeChat were massage nos and I wasn't interested in those.

Overall experience 7/10.

Hotel Classic (Basement Spa)


I took a Bluebird to Classic Hotel at around 8 pm. As soon as I got in I saw the disco on the right I just peeked inside and it seemed empty so I went near the lift. I asked the liftman for the Spa. He pointed me downstairs. I had in mind to go to the 2nd floor. Nonetheless I walked the staird down to the spa. I was briefed about the charges and handed over a token. I went in and was in the spa. I didn't want to shower now. I walked into the main hall. As soon as I entered it was pitch black. I could barely see anything. A waiter came with a torch and led me to a vacant table. There were two guys making a selection on the table to my left. Girls were all lined up and the waiter was pointing his torch on each girls face and then body helping in selection. I was surprised as to why wouldn't they keep some lights on. I was seated near the entrance, to my right was the bar area and right in front of me after few tables was the Girls seating area by the wall. That area was completely lit up. Mamasan came to me and spoke something in Bahasa. I couldn't follow and asked her to speak in English. The waiter then stepped forward and spoke in broken English. He asked me whether I would like to see the girls. I nodded while sipping my beer. She then went and brought 4 girls. I asked the waiter who understood me if only these were available. He told me that others were busy. I pointed and asked her if he could get the mamasan to call some girls who were sitting near the wall or could I go and take a look. He said that I could go and have a look myself. While getting up I saw one girl up close and she seemed to fit my taste. However I walked towards where the girls were sitting. There were approx. 10 odd girls but they seemed too busy yawning or into their smartphones. I decided to get back to my table. As soon as I reached back I asked the waiter to tell mamasan to get the 4 girls back and I would make a selection out of them. She called them over and I selected the girl I had looked up close earlier. She came and sat beside me. The mamasan told me that It will cost me 800 k, which slightly puzzled me as I had 350 k in my head. Then I realized that that must be on the 2nd floor. The girl looked better than the one I had at Malioboro earlier day hence I decided to go ahead. The girl like her mamasan spoke no English so I asked the waiter to check whether the girl is ok and will I get good service. He spoke to the mamasan in Indo and she smiled and said all ok showing her fingers. She then whispered something in the girl's ear. The girl got up and led me to one of the rooms. Room was pretty small but clean. Barely space to take out ones clothes and get into the shower. I asked her name. She replied Fika or that is what I could catch. We got onto the shower wherein I noticed her amazing butt. We cleaned and got onto the bed. I pulled her besides me and kissed her. She came closer to me and kissed back. It seemed that mamasan had told her what to do. She got into DKF with me and reached her hand towards my dick. She started stroking me while kissing me at the same time. Fuel just enough to light my fire. Instant hard on followed. I sucked onto her juicy and soft be sized boobs. She started moaning softly. I was sucking her boobs and massaging her clit at the same time whereas she was stroking me. She then gave me a good BBBJ. I stopped her before I could lose control. She then got the Rubber on me. I started with missionary as I really wanted to keep on kissing her and suck her boobs. She had pouty lips and good tits. I thrusted her for some time and was almost about to come. I stopped and withdrew. I told her to change position and it was doggy time. Her arse was round and full, something I had not seen in Manila or AC. I just wanted to kiss her buns and I did. Then I entered her from behind. She was already wet and dripping. Maybe she must have come when she had moaned softly earlier. I entered her and started thrusting, enjoyed holding her buns and boobs alternating between them. I came shortly after. I just dropped on her side. She turned towards me and kissed me looking in the eye. I did not understand this. Thought maybe I was her first customer of the day or maybe I had made her come first time in the day. Didn't bother to ask as she would have not understood. I cleaned up and handed over a tip of 200 k. She had indeed taken care of me and given me a good session. She also smiled all the time which really made it more enjoyable. Well-earned tip for her. She walked me out, settled the tab and walked upstairs to the ground level.

Overall experience 8/10.

Hotel Classic (2nd Floor)


I wanted to check out the 2nd floor as well since many forum members has referred to it. I took the lift went upstairs and got in. It was a sausage fest inside. All I could see was men all around. I walked slowly by the wall and could see some women sitting in clusters. There were hardly 20-30 women and around 50+ men. I was wondering whether something was wrong. I walked on the left by the wall toward the end but all I could see were sad and bored faced of girls. Some were busy with their phones, some looked like they were drugged. I didn't like the scene at all. When I was walking back 1 mamasan approached me held my hand and took me towards the sofa where the girls were seated. I could see 4 or 5 sad faces looking down. They were not even making eye contact. I asked her how much, she said 350 k then she said 500 k if I take two. She just snapped her fingers and two girls stood up and came to me. I was in no mood or even if I was I wouldn't have had a session in such a surrounding. I said no to her and walked away. I had to pay 35 k as entrance fee and get the exit token since I had not taken any girl. I don't know if I had visited on an odd day or whether it was late in the day but I didn't feel comfortable there and didn't want to return. However I had in mind to also check the 5th floor in the next 2/3 days.

I was famished and decided to walk back to Mercure Kota and have food on the way. I walked back using google maps and decided to feed myself at Burger King on the way. I had 2 good sessions and wanted to go and rest. I was too tired from the walk and didn't venture out in the night. I tried social apps but nothing materialized so I went to sleep.

[IllusionHeart]

May 6 (Day 13: Wednesday)


As usual breakfast at Dunkin and wasted some time on social apps. I got some responses but nothing interesting. Quite surprising that when you message someone looking at her single pic one day makes you lose interest in her if she had changed her pic and is no longer that attractive. I spend some time but nothing concrete. I used Badoo, Tagged, Tango, Wechat, Skout, etc all apps I had installed.

I had Berlian and Kartika on my mind. Both were a stone's throw from the Hotel. The easiest way to get to them is to stand in front of the building on the square looking towards the 7/11 shop and get into the lane at right where the building ends.

I walked to Berlian around 3 pm. It really is a seedy lane with everyone staring at you while you are walking inside. I had left my wallet at home and was carrying about 500 k on me. I got into Berlian and there were 3 matured women sitting on the sofa inside. I asked if there were any more available and got no for an answer. I just walked out.

Kartika


I entered Kartika and there were about 12 women inside. They welcomed me and made me sit near the Bar. Since I was the only customer inside the mamasan asked me to take a pick. I told her that I needed some time and ordered a Guinness. There were couple of women seated to my left and right near the bar smiling at me expecting me to pick one of them. One thing immediately struck to me was all women were BBWs. Most of them past their prime and it was obvious from their faces and body. I continued sipping my beer with the mamasan coming every 5 minutes and me asking her to let me relax. I was in two minds whether to go away or try a session with one of the women. I was just not feeling the vibe to go for it. Suddenly a girl walked in who was slightly less fat than the others but not a slim lady by any chance. She had a sweet smile and was joking with some of the ladies. I had found my pick. I waved the mamasan over. She came smilingly that I had finally made a selection. I pointed at my choice. Immediately the women sitting to my left and right got back to their own businesses of doing nothing. The girl came over and asked me if we could go. I paid my Guinness tab and left a tip of 5 k. The bar lady couldn't control her happiness and thanked me profusely. I then paid 350 k at the counter besides the bar. The girl took me upstairs on the first floor. The room was slightly shoddy with open bathing area in one corner and a small bed on another. The girl then closed the door and put a chair to block it. There was a slit at the top of the door. I asked her if its ok, she said not to worry. I had no intention of getting filmed. I asked her name, it was Meta. Meta then showered me. There was a green plastic or vinyl sheet on the bed like in a hospital. She asked me to lie naked on the sheet. Meta then started the soapy massage and she rubbed her body making funny noises on my back with her body and more so her breasts. She continued rubbing me with her body for some time. Reminded me of EZ1 massage in Bangkok. She then asked me to turn over and continued rubbing me on front side. She then put both her legs under my thighs and pulled me close as if she had a dick and was going to enter me. I really found it funny. The soapy massage finally ended after few minutes. It is then I realized why these women needed to be BBWs. A slim gazelle would have never been able to do this with a guy of my or any other size. She then showered me again and wiped the sheet clean with a towel. She then lay a fresh bedsheet and asked me to lie down till she cleaned. She got on the bed and massaged my dick. She then put on a rubber with her mouth on my dick and gave me a CBJ. I was expecting a BBBJ. She got on top of me with and after few thrusts I asked her to change position. I entered her in miss, sampled her boobs which were big but very soft. I didn't kiss her and finished in some time in missionary. Got up and cleaned up. It is then I asked her how old she was to which she replied she was 25 and mother of 2 children. I gave her 50 k tip and she asked for 100 k. I said 50 k was good and maybe next time and walked out and back to the Hotel. The session has been extremely mechanical. I came but did not enjoy any piece of the session. I don't think I will be going back there again. I stayed at the hotel rest of the afternoon lazing in my room.

Overall experience 4/10.

Hotel Travel


I went to Travel hotel around 7 pm in the evening. I got in collected my token and sat at the first table in front of the girls. The must be around 4 seating areas with 10 to 12 girls each. Ample choice. Mamasan came over and immediately pointed the laser at one of her girls and called her over. I greeted the girl and told mamasan I need time. As soon as she left with her girl another mamasan did the same routine. I was feeling extremely uncomfortable and these were the pushiest Mamasans I has seen so far. I told the second one I need time and ordered for a Guinness. Unfortunately the girls brought to table seemed like the worst in the lot which not many would pick. The waiter brought me a big bottle and a glass full of ice. The beer was room temperature and it just disappointed me. I had no choice but to sip it. I looked around but the girls are seated slightly far and you don't get a good idea till they walk up to your table. I noticed one PYT sitting at the first sofa from the entrance in the corner. She was sitting quietly and it just got my attention. I signaled the mamasan to come over but she seemed busy showing her girls to other men who had just walked in. I waited few minutes and finally got her to come over. She came over and started pointing her laser to all other girls. I held her hand and pointed it towards the PYT. The mamsan called her over and smiled to me signaling good choice. The girl came over and sat with me. I asked her to her order a drink for herself which she did. Her name was Shelly. I assumed it must be her work name. We left to the room. She was extremely petite and cute. Small and slim body dimensions and was lacking the Indo buttI had got exposed to recently. The room was decent sized with an old CRT inside. She showered me. Session was decent with CBJ and no DFK. I started with WOT and finished in missionary. Gave her 100 k tip. My tab came to 470 k including 350 k for the session.

Overall experience 7/10.

I walked back towards the Hotel. Went to Burger King for some grub. Plan for the night was to go to CJs or BATS.

CJs / BATS / Colosseum / Golden Crown


I took Blue Bird to Mulia from my Hotel. I reached around 11.30. Paid in the 200 k entry drink fee. Live band was playing inside. I walked from the back taking a good look around upto the Bar near the Loo. There were some good women there but I couldn't spot many young girls. I stood near the bar for some time and got myself a Guiness. Not many good looking women near the bar. I stepped down near the counter from where all women go to the loo and got myself a space to lean on. The first one to approach me was Nika. She refused to talk any further and left when I told her I was staying in Kota. After a few minutes another one approached me, name was Indah. After initial pleasantries I asked her how much, she said 200 USD. I didn't even feel like negotiating and got hold of my pint and walked towards the bar area on the left of the entrance. Few women were sitting around but nothing caught my fancy. The live band took a break and some EDM was put on. I again strolled from the front side to see if I could find someone interesting but guess there weren't many young women that night. I strolled around and stood at different places but didn't find anyone. The women there were mature ones and I had LT in mind. I was not willing to pay crazy prices to these mature ones. After an hour I found myself back at the bar with seating area on the left of the entrance. The live bank was back and in full swing. Just then I was smoking and a girl entered the bar. She caught my fancy and I immediately smiled at her. She reciprocated and I signaled her towards me. She came and stood by me. She was a good looking one and had a young body, something that I had been looking for. Her name was Riska. After the initial chat I asked her how much was it going to cost me. She said that she did only ST and would cost me 1. 5 Mill and taxi money as I was staying in Kota. I told her that I will offer her 2 Mill for LT + taxi money and a good tip. She simply refused. She knew that she had just walked in and would quickly find someone as per her requirement. I contemplated for few minutes and told her I can't and I was sorry. She moved on. I decided to go to BATS as it was 1 am and there was a chance that I might find someone.

I took a taxi to Shangri La. Once inside I got myself a Corona. Looked around, not much of a crowd. This place was extremely sad. I should have stuck to CJs. Atleast there were some women there to look at. I scouted the entire bar and could spot only 2 good looking ones and both already had company. I finished my beer and took a cab to Mercure Kota. On way it struck me as it was barely 2 am I could go to a disco in Kota as those places really started getting crowd after 1 am. I asked the taxi driver whether he knew where Colosseum was and he nodded positively.

I got in after paying 150 k for a glass of draft Heineken. This place was big but not as huge as the main disco in Golden crown. I walked in and took a good look around. Luckily Colosseum has this lighting on the ceiling which they use often which is really helpful in looking at people faces otherwise the places goes completely dark in between. I walked upto the DJ and then back checking if anything was available. There were some really beautiful women but in groups or accompanied by guys. I came back and got seated near the bar, got my beer and faced turned towards the DJ. There was a couple to my left and two girls sitting to my right. They were pretty young and seem to be having a good time. It seemed to me that game was available and I need to hang around and explore. I could see women going back and forth to the loo and some of these girls were really sexy and beautiful. It must have been 15 minutes that I was there when two young guys approached the girls sitting beside me and they spoke Indo. It seemed that the guys were inviting the girls over to their table. After some talks the girls agreed. The guys were quite mature and in no way would the girls have gone there only for drinks. There had to be a financial transaction behind this interaction. I wish I knew Bahasa and would have been able to figure out what they talked. The chairs got empty and I was still scouting. Sometime later two girls walked up to the bar counter. I smiled at them and they smiled back. One of the girl approached me. On coming closer I could figure that she was a mature one and the other was chubby one. The mature one also had braces. She asked me if I spoke Bahasa and I said no. The usual chat, where from, why visiting, etc. The mature one told me their names but I couldn't get them and didn't ask again thinking they would leave after they got their drinks. The chubby one was good looking and much younger but didn't speak or understand a word of English. The mature one was doing all the talking. The mature one suddenly offered to me whether I would like massage with both of them. I said yes but not with two of them. I was thinking of taking the chubby one as she had a good body and just the right amount of fat to enjoy her through the night. The mature one said its 500 k each for 2 hours and I need to take both. I was in a fix. I thought maybe I will take both and screw only the chubby one. But then I thought what if I get to the room and the mature one wants to bed me and the chubby one doesn't partake. It was a tough decision but I declined. I didn't want to waste 1 Mill for possibility of a good fuck with one of them. I told her that either I take the chubby and give 700 k or no deal. Surprisingly they refused took their drink and went to their table near the DJ. I then stood up and walked around. There were few more women available but mature or old hags and I wasn't interested in taking them. One thing I realized is that the local Indo girls were also available as a lot of them gave me positive stares but didn't smile. Maybe the language was a barrier for them. I didn't approach any of them as they were in groups and I did not want to make an arse out of myself. I stuck for some more time, finished my glass of beer and walked out.

It was 4 am and I decided to go to the second small disco in Golden crown. I took a Bluebird and reached there in 10 minutes. Luckily the taxi guy dropped me in front of the plaza and I didn't have to pay for parking charges or ask for the change. I took the lift up from the basement and went to the 6th or top floor. The entrance fee counter was closed and I just walked in. I went and stood near the bar at the back. The place was pitch black today. I somehow managed to order myself a Corona. As I was sipping I spotted 2 girls whom I had seen earlier in Colosseum. I now thought for sure it was a possibility that they were working girls. I looked and smiled at them but did not get any response. A local guy just walked and spoke to them. One of the girl spoke to him and then he just walked away. I decided to go to them and chat up. Before I could make my move another 2 guys engaged them and after some chat the girls got up and went with them to their table. Not my day I thought. One thing is for sure that one needs to have some Bahasa under his belt to pick local girls in discos. There are pro girls but mostly mature or old hags. The young ones don't seem as interested in foreigners. I called it a night and was back to Hotel.

[IllusionHeart]

May 7 (Day 14: Thursday)

Started my day with breakfast as usual at Dunkins, did some social app browsing. I have been seeing massage ads a lot on WeChat so decided to give it a try for in call. I zeroed in on Naura Massage. Asked for pics, some real good ones were send. I then asked which lady was available so I was sent pic of a very young and sexy lady. Looked like the typical next door girl. Price quoted was 300 k for 2 hours. I made it clear that if any other lady came I would send her back. Time was fixed at 3 pm. I went to room and waited. Girl didn't turn up at 3. 45 pm. Around 4 pm I got a call from reception that there is a lady to see me. I confirmed with reception that whether it was a lady to which they affirmed. I asked her to be sent up. I thought maybe I am going to have a good time. The doorbell rang and I opened the door. I couldn't believe my eyes. My heart just sank. There was an old and ugly hag standing at the door. I was speechless and didn't know what to do. She came in. I had to cook up something and get her out. I told her that since she had come an hour late I couldn't avail the massage and I had to go to South Jakarta. She started cribbing and asking money. I told her that all I can do is give her taxi money and maybe call her back later when I was in room. Surprisingly she agreed but wanted to talk to her massage parlour owner. I told her to go ahead, in the meantime I dug out a 20 k rupiah note from my wallet and waited for her to finish. Once she finished I handed over the note to her but she seemed displeased. I told her I am getting late and will call her back. I still cannot believe she fell for it. I was thinking maybe she will extract the entire 300 k from me before leaving the room. I as am lucky that she left with a 20 k note. I vowed to myself that I would never get anyone directly to my room henceforth. It took me a good hour and couple of smokes to come out of the setback.

I had thought about going to Kings cross but had not found much reviews on ISG before my trip. I searched online to see if anyone had posted any FRs on web. I could only check feedback on jakarta100 bars and it was not positive. I was also getting constant messages from Siskaa at Malioboro to visit her again. But who repeats a girl unless it's a 9/10. I has done Alexis twice and was not too keen on going back to Classic either. I googled for feedback on Fashion, Emporium and many other spas but nothing was too positive. I decided to go to Classic instead and thought will check the 5th floor.

Hotel Classic (5th Floor)


I reached Classic around 6. 30 pm. I took the lift directly to 5th floor. I got my token and walked in. The customer area to the right was completely deserted with barely 2 or 3 people. The girls seating area had approx. 40 odd women and I could definitely select one for the evening. I took a seat. A Mamasan immediately came to me and asked me which girl I liked. I told her I need time and ordered a Guinness. I looked at the girls carefully checking their face, bodies and behavior. I spotted one girl with short hair and thought she definitely would be the one. I signaled the mamasan over. I showed her the girl and as usual her laser pointed to all except that girl I wanted. I held her hand and guided the laser to the girl. She came over and stood beside me. I shook her hands and asked her name. Her work name was Linda. I was impressed by her slender body, pouty lips and amazing curvy arse. She had A sized breasts but her rest of the body made up for it. I asked her to order for a lady drink. She ordered for her drink. We chatted a bit, she could speak in broken English and understood what I was saying. I felt quite comfortable. Mamasan asked me to pay 350 k which I did. Little surprised that I had to pay upfront as in other bars and even the basement spa the amount was collected when I paid the bill. I ignored. We then went to the room downstairs one floor. Once inside she ordered for a pack of Marlboro menthols. I couldn't refuse. Usual shower followed. She started with kissing the area around my navel including my balls. I was ready for her to take my dick into her mouth but she was playing with me. She got me a hard on and I asked her to suck me off. She then got the rubber and put it on my dick with her mouth. I was disappointed but carried along. CBJ was ok, nothing great then she mounted me. We went on for some time then I got her in missionary. She did not allow DFK but small kisses. I was not ok but now was into the session halfway. I turned her around and started pounding her from the back. I took some time before I came. We were both sweating profusely and exhausted. I lied for few minutes besides her without speaking anything and just panting. I got up and went into the shower to cool off. She cleaned after me. I tipped her 100 k to which she asked for more. I said I was not very happy due to CBJ and no DFK. She said she was having a bad cold hence couldn't DFK. I said it was too late and she could have told me earlier. I walked out and into the main hall. I then realized that I was sitting in the first half of the bar. The second half was on other side and it has equal no of girls. In total there would have been somewhere between 80 to 100 girls on the floor at that time and barely 4 or 5 customers. I took a walk to the far end of the main hall and saw that there were equally good women on the other side and if I stayed for some more time I could make another selection. I eventually didn't and got out. I would definitely recommend the 5th floor over the 2nd floor at Classic. Women quality and quantity is much more. I also enjoyed the basement spa though expensive was a good experience for me.

Overall experience at 5th floor 7/10.

I walked up to Mc Donald's for some food and then walked all the way back to Mercure Kota. My plan was to go to CJs and try my luck again tonight. If things didn't go well then I wanted to go to Blok M.

CJs / X2 / Immigrant


I took Blue Bird to Cjs and reached around 11.00 pm. Paid in the 200 k entry drink fee. As soon as I entered I could see the same crowd that I had seen earlier night. I tried to look for Riska but she was nowhere to be seen. I took my beer and did circle the place for some time scouting for potential company. CJs had let me down again. I simply couldn't find anyone interesting enough to pay 2 or 3 Mill for LT. I decided to get out so walked and stood near the bar on the left of entrance for a smoke. One girl approached me and started chatting. As soon as I mentioned that I was staying in Kota she withdrew and walked away. I thought maybe I should go back to Kota and visit Colosseum or Golden crown.

I was waiting for a Bluebird taxi and got talking to the security guys standing outside. One of them suggested that I should try X2 as it was close and had a lot of young crowd. I took the next bluebird and reached X2. I paid the cover charge of 100 k and got in. Bought myself a Corona and got a pint of water in lieu of the entry charge paid. I walked around but there were any single or group of girls in sight. Place was good and lighting was good but no women available. I finished my beer and decided to move on. I took a blue bird and asked him to take me to Immigrant disco in Plaza Indonesia. I got down on the main road paid the taxi guy and walked in. There were some security guys sitting at the entrance who told me that the club was closed for the day and I should come back the next day. I asked them why so early. Answer was that club closed every day at 2 am. I didn't realize that it was that early in the night for a club to close in Jakarta. I took another taxi and decided to go back to the hotel.

Once I reached my room and changed I was checked my social apps for any response I had received. I had received revert from a Viet girl on Wechat and she was interested in meeting me. I asked her price and she instantly replied 2 mill ST and 3. 5 mill LT. I was getting ready to sleep hence thought why not waste some time chatting with her. I asked her to send me more pics and she did. She was indeed beautiful. I told her that I was going back to Singapore and ST there was 100 SGD. She replied 200 SGD ST. We eventually negotiated for her to stay till 12 pm next day as I was going to check out at 1 pm and I offered 250 SGD LT. I told her that if she's any different from the pic I am going to send her back without paying anything. I also told her that I will pay her in SGD as I had only 2 mill in IDR. She asked me my room no. I told her that I will meet her in the lobby. I didn't want any fiasco at this time of the night. True to her word her taxi arrived within 15 minutes. I too a good look at her and she was better than her pics. Slender body, beautiful face. I escorted her to my room. She then told me that she was working for a Karaoke nearby and went on calls when she needed some extra money. We showered together and she cleaned me up well. On to bed and we kissed like crazy. She was the best snogger I had come across on this trip. She then gave me an excellent BBJ. The girl knew what she was doing and she was really good at it. She also had one of the firmest breasts I have even felt till date. We really had an amazing round of sex in miss, WOT, sideways and finished eventually in doggy position. I was panting and nearly out of breath when we finished. I couldn't believe that this was one of the best sessions I had in this trip. We got up and cleaned up and went to sleep. The next thing I remember is waking up next to her with her arms around my tummy and her body coiled up next to mine. My movements woke her up. She got up and went to the loo. I went in next and within minutes of being back in bed we were at it again. Sweet taste of her lips just got me a hard on. She gave me an amazing blow job and wanted me to come in her mouth but I stopped her. I wanted to fuck her again so got my Sagami on and went in missionary. She came before me and almost dug her nails into my shoulder. I turned her over and thrusted her in doggy for the next couple of minutes till I finished. It was gratifying sex with her. It was one of the best sessions I had enjoyed in this trip. We lay for some time and kissed each other. She told me that as she had to get back. I wanted her to stay as it was hardly 11 am and we could have managed another round. But I eventually let her go. Her name was Belle. I gave her 250 SGD and tipped her 200 k IDR. We were both happy with this transaction. I rest for another hour before I was due to check out and head for the airport. I was booked on the 5. 35 pm Air Asia flight to Singapore.

Overall experience 8. 5/10.

I am now working on a trip to Vietnam after this experience. Hope I am able to plan one as it will mean skipping AC or Pattaya.

[IllusionHeart]

Summary of my experience in Jakarta:


1. FL scene in Jakarta was nonexistent or at least I didn't come across any good ones. I had to hang up my gun on the wall during these 5 days. There was simply no game to hunt.

2. The spa scene is good for a single visit but I don't see myself going back to Jakarta again only to meet girls in spa or massage parlour. It's like shooting chicken in a pen with a bazooka.

3. There needs to be something done about the lighting in Discos. I still cannot understand why every place is Pitch Dark.

4. Malio Club had the best looking girls I have come across in entire Jakarta. Request if some member can help me know the MO of enjoying their company. I would definitely return soon if I can take these girls to bed. Don't mind paying 2 Mill ST.

5. Local food in Jakarta is something I didn't try. I am very comfortable with street food in Thailand and even tried in Philippines but couldn't dare to in Jakarta. Maybe I need to do some reading if I am going to visit again.

6. CJs and BATS were a big letdown like Kartika. Maybe the good days for these places are over or they are going through real tough times.

7. Social media app scene was also very poor compared to Philippines or Thailand.

8. There is not much of a price advantage compared to Thailand or Philippines It all added up in the end.

9. I got a mix of CBJ and BBBJ in the sessions I had unlike Philippines where I completely enjoyed BBBJ and liked it. DFK was also not assured in all session. Never tried Greek so cannot comment on that.

10. I felt that local language would have been an advantage while picking up local girls in Discos. I found the non or semi pro girls slightly reserved towards foreigners.

11. 8 out of 10 blue bird guys never gave change back to me. So much for honesty. I can only imagine how bad other operators might be.

12. I had read well and had planned my trips to avoid traffic jam and was quite successful in doing so on ground.

13. I couldn't make it to Blok M this time. I sure will if I return.

14. Girl tantrums were existent. I found girls to be more hardcore or pro comparatively maybe because these places have girls with that kind of behavior.

15. I would not recommend Jakarta as a repeat destination just basis of my single 5 day visit. My schedule is blocked in the current year till December with repeat visit to Philippines and Thailand. If time permits I might plan a visit early next year post reading on ISG thread about how the scene is on ground. I would definitely not come back purely to bed girls in the spa or massage parlours, Thailand is much better in comparison for that.

Thanks to Smoothy, Fast Eddie48, Studbucket, Menteng, Dorman and other members who had provided valuable inputs for me to plan my trip optimally and enjoy whatever Jakarta had to offer.

Continued in Geylang, Singapore

[UsPete]

You can get some of them for a cool million if it's near closing time and they haven't done a trick yet or if the rent needs to be paid the following day.

Jakarta has always been a buyer's market. Same goes for BATS by the way. Oh, and don't tell them it's your first time in Indonesia or that you're a business traveler.I'm no fan of CJ's. The married man's swinger club, the "dj" only plays pre mixed Guetta, most of the male singers have been chosen for their looks and ability to please the cougars after the set is finished, not their vocals. The humourless tall China dolls / mannequins perched in a row as you walk from one bar to another are particularly creepy.

But I do respect that we all need to scratch a living. I spoke to Loopy Lou one of the bouncy manado girls about the going rate (at a hairdressers where she also models), and she confirmed 1. 5 m is the fixed rate. She pointed out she spends 2 x RP100 000 on Taxi's, RP 180 000 on entrance fee and probably about Rp 200 000 on hair styling, new dresses and makeup per visit.

So 1. 5 m is a reasonable and fair figure to agree to in the current climate.

If you don't speak any Indonesian or dialects it is quite clear you are a new arrival or business traveller, so like everything in life it is easier to stick to the truth.

Sinyo Tambora.

[Member #4698]

You know that I am all about the FL scene. What is the going rate for FL's at CJ's?
Andre, I think you are really going to like CJ's especially on Wednesday night and the weekends. A ton of girls show up and the overall quality is high. And BTW, not all the girls are FL's. But I can usually tell who's who and I like the option to go after a talented amateur if I so choose. Remember, just because amateurs don't accept payment for sex doesn't mean they don't want to shag.

My CJ girl for example has a 9 to 5 regular job and I would classify her as a part time FL. She has amateur friends that like to go to CJ's for a night out and party. Marsya wanted 2,000,000 rp. Long term was implied. I gave her my "that's a crazy price" look, but I could see she was fixed on that amount so I agreed to it because A) I really liked her and B) I wanted to get the issue out of the way so we could both concentrate on having a good time. I never like to negotiate. I feel negotiation can kill the vibe and with it a punter runs the risk of winning the bargaining battle but losing the GFE war. In those situations when I think a girl has asked too much ie her price is significantly higher than market price; I tell her so and I am prepared to politely walk away after I finish my drink. Thus I give the girl in question adequate time to reconsider her offer and negotiate herself down if she wants to, otherwise I look elsewhere. But in this case, Marsya was very attractive and quite demure. It was relatively early (around 11 pm) and I knew she was not going to come down in price unless I wanted to gamble and wait her out until 3 am.

I know 2 mil is an outrageous sum especially considering that just a couple of years ago the price was 1 mil and less, but I do not believe I overpaid. 2 mil is the current CJ's market price and it is what the majority of the better looking CJ girls are currently asking and receiving for LT. The less popular girls are asking 2 mil too, but they will settle for less. The real issue here is about the tremendous run up in the price of quality pussy in ALL the sex capitals of Asia over the last 5 years or so. This price increase has been incredible both in terms of its size and rapidity and I do not believe it is sustainable in the long run. Unfortunately, I can't predict how high the market price will go before it affects demand. For example, next year will popular CJ FL's be asking 3 mil for LT and getting it? Will BKK Go Go's be charging 2000 bt barfines and the Go Go girls asking 4000 bt for ST? I don't know. Maybe! What I do know is that sooner or later these huge price increases will have to affect aggregate demand and when that happens the Asian sex market bubble will burst.

[Uncle Volodya]

I am now working on a trip to Vietnam after this experience. Hope I am able to plan one as it will mean skipping AC or Pattaya.Thanks for the informative post, my friend.

I just got back form VN. A lot of ready and willing girls on wechat. And, judging form the pics, great lookers too. They are asking from between 50 and 100 for ST. I could not verify the pics or partake as I was preoccupied with the two hunnies I was visiting. Just killing some time on Wechat in whiel waiting for my girls to come over. But it may be a gold mine for someone tht knows how to maneuver it.

Otherwise the mongering scene doe not seem all that promising, especially compared to Patts. Still I have had great times with my two Viet girls. They are just so pretty and real tigresses in bed. And tender and loving too. I am hooked!

[UsPete]

Few things which I didnt bother to ask the mamasan or papasan is whether the bikini or dancer girls in the Malio club are bar finable. Similarly are the dancer girls in the main hall area also available. These girls were much better looking with great bodies compared to the girls available through papasan. I didnt have access to the forum to post this query at that time and left without exploring it much further. I wouldnt have minded paying 2 mill or more for some of those girls as they were totally worth it. Request if forum members can throw some light on this subject.

It's basically down to the relationship between you and the girl. The bikini dancers are paid Rp 22 million per month as a basic net salary. This means most will be driving their own cars back to an apartment after hours and too tired for extras or some of the educated ones may be paying their way through university.

My advice is listen to what the girls offer you. My fav. Bikini girl offered me a blowjob upstairs after one LD and a discussion of her plans for a career outside Malio and I agreed, she was truly excellent showhorse and wouldn't stop the BBBJ long after I came. She actually picked me up in her car up after the club closed and we went for chicken porridge but it was a platonic post-work food thing.

I've also discussed life with those bikini / nude girls in Malio and found out quite a few are genuine virgins, waiting for marriage. They'll let you touch them to enhance their salary a further 10 -15 m per month but that is strictly it. So it's very much down to the individual girl but I'm sure 2 m would cover it. The only place I've come across a BF in Indonesia is Batam BTW.

Maybe ask where the girls are from. Sundanese girls may have great Latino bodies but they perform poorly (SUka Nya Duit Aja). If you need help try and find a gay papasan as they tend to be more honest. Choose a girl with an urban upbringing Jakarta, Makassar, Medan etc. Look at the teeth and feet, feel how hard the palms are etc.

[Smoothy]

I know 2 mil is an outrageous sum especially considering that just a couple of years ago the price was 1 mil and less, but I do not believe I overpaid. 2 mil is the current CJ's market price and it is what the majority of the better looking CJ girls are currently asking and receiving for LT. The less popular girls are asking 2 mil too, but they will settle for less. Agreed. If you want one of the best looking ones who can get a customer every day of the week, you are going to pay 1. 5 short time or 2 to 2. 5 million long time. The less popular girls can be had for 1 million. Getting them for less than that is very difficult. As Egy says, if you wait until closing time, the prices drop and you have more bargaining power. However, the best looking girls will go home alone rather than take less than 1. 5. At least that's my experience.

[Member #4537]

But I do respect that we all need to scratch a living. I spoke to Loopy Lou one of the bouncy manado girls about the going rate (at a hairdressers where she also models), and she confirmed 1. 5 m is the fixed rate. She pointed out she spends 2 x RP100 000 on Taxi's, RP 180 000 on entrance fee and probably about Rp 200 000 on hair styling, new dresses and makeup per visit.If you've been going 2 or 3 days in a row and haven't done any tricks and keep going there using borrowed money or have rent to pay the next day like a few of these girls do, wouldn't you accept negotiation? From 1. 500.000 to 1. 000.000. Don't forget if they make 3 or 4 tricks every month that's the same they'd get working a middle-class office job for 12 hours a day. So it's still a lot of money.

I'm not saying it works with every girl, but when it's 3 AM and the place is closing down, I guarantee a few will agree to 1.000.000. And yes that's for CJs and BATS.

[Smoothy]

Maybe ask where the girls are from. Sundanese girls may have great Latino bodies but they perform poorly (SUka Nya Duit Aja). If you need help try and find a gay papasan as they tend to be more honest. Choose a girl with an urban upbringing Jakarta, Makassar, Medan etc. Look at the teeth and feet, feel how hard the palms are etc.I've had some awesome Sundanese girls! I don't think you can generalize on sexual performance based on their heritage in this case. I do think you can generalize that pretty much all sundanese girls are "mata duitan" or as you say "suka nya duit" meaning they are gold diggers, but I wouldn't say "aja" (only). Some of them like sex as well as money. Some of the best shags I've had in Jakarta were Sunda babes. They are also known by the locals as being the best looking girls in all of Indonesia, and I happen to agree with that.

[Smoothy]

my experience in Jakarta:
Damn fine reports. Sounds like you had some good experiences.

[IllusionHeart]

It's basically down to the relationship between you and the girl. The bikini dancers are paid Rp 22 million per month as a basic net salary. This means most will be driving their own cars back to an apartment after hours and too tired for extras or some of the educated ones may be paying their way through university.

My advice is listen to what the girls offer you. My fav. Bikini girl offered me a blowjob upstairs after one LD and a discussion of her plans for a career outside Malio and I agreed, she was truly excellent showhorse and wouldn't stop the BBBJ long after I came. She actually picked me up in her car up after the club closed and we went for chicken porridge but it was a platonic post-work food thing.
Thank you UsPete for the info, appreciate it. I did get talking to a girl who didn't ask me for a drink. I got her a tequila shot for 50 k and she downed it before my beer bottle could reach my mouth after saying cheers. Then she asked for more drinks (set of 4) and I backed out. I didn't want to end up spending 200 k to 400 k in 15 minutes and get nothing in return. Maybe that was my mistake. I took advice of being careful on LD too seriously and was averse to buying anyone a round.

Lesson learned. If I return I am definitely going to invest time and money as some of these girl were really gorgeous and deserve investment.

The girl I took that night Siskaa, I had added her on FB, big mistake. She started bugging me on FB messenger the very next day, Mister where are you, Mister I have no customer, Mister I am sick, Mister come meet me, . WTF. Hence I didn't return to Malioboro again during remainder of my visit. Yes i unfriended her immediately.

[IllusionHeart]

Damn fine reports. Sounds like you had some good experiences.Thanks Smoothy for the info provided earlier on stay and venues, would have not been possible for me to plan accordingly in terms of location and time of travel each day. I did not miss a single venue I wanted to go to albeit did change only one at last minute such as Kings cross. In hindsight I should have gone there and could have skipped 1 visit to Classic.

I did not find the FL scene as open and welcoming as Singapore or Thailand or even Philippines. Even the social app scene was quite dead except for massage places and some hideous milfs. Yes I was a one week millionaire and wanted some of the finest, had budgeted accordingly I. E 5 mill per day for 2 girls only. Only regret was not having found out the MO for the Malio club girls. That is something which surely will pull me back to Jakarta for another trip in future.

I already have a repeat trip scheduled to Philippines in August and then Pattaya in October. Don't want to schedule December visit to either of these locations due to seasonality hence Vietnam or Jakarta it shall be.

Till then hope to keep reading updates from you and other senior members on the forum.

[IllusionHeart]

Thanks for the informative post, my friend.

Otherwise the mongering scene doe not seem all that promising, especially compared to Patts. Thanks Uncle V. That is the only thought which has avoided me from planning any visit to Vietnam so far. Our visits to Pattaya have never matched hence opportunity has never arisen for us to meet but I look forward to bumping into you in one of these exotic location in near future. If not then Singapore for sure if you move and settle down there.

BTW Belle is still in touch with me on WeChat and is asking 5 mill per day to come and stay with me in Singapore...I told her to take a vacation to Vietnam...maybe the long stay away from her country has indeed corrupted her mind.

[Lefeu]

The real issue here is about the tremendous run up in the price of quality pussy in ALL the sex capitals of Asia over the last 5 years or so. This price increase has been incredible both in terms of its size and rapidity and I do not believe it is sustainable in the long run. Unfortunately, I can't predict how high the market price will go before it affects demand...the Asian sex market bubble will burst.Yes, indeed, I have been witnessing this rapid price increase. I think it's due to 2 factors: China and India. Between the 2 countries, we have a combined population close to 3 billion people. They are likely to produce an awful lot of mongers, and it would be difficult for the supply to catch up. Hence, the price increase.

I don't think there will be a bubble in the sex market anywhere. What's most likely to happen is that mongers will move to other places that are still reasonably priced. I saw that with Brazil. In the late 90's and early 2000's, it was a great mongering place and the Real was 4-1 to the USA Dollar. As the Brazilian economy took off, it went down to 1. 6 when I was last there in 2011, and all of a sudden Rio became very expensive for mongering. I and most other mongers migrated to other Latin countries, such as Argentina, Colombia, Peru, etc.

Heck, I was in Tokyo last month for the first time. I had 2 escorts, one independent who wanted close to $500. The other one was with an agency and wanted $300 for 2 hours. To my knowledge, Tokyo mongering scene never had a bubble, and unlikely to have one.

[IllusionHeart]

Yes, indeed, I have been witnessing this rapid price increase. I think it's due to 2 factors: China and India. Between the 2 countries, we have a combined population close to 3 billion people. They are likely to produce an awful lot of mongers, and it would be difficult for the supply to catch up. Hence, the price increase.
Lefeu, During my recent visit to Manila, I never came across any Indian in LA Cafe or Makati or EDSA. I did see some Malaysian Indians in AC but then they cannot be termed as Indians from the Mainland. I came across none in any of the Spas I went to in Indonesia. I think majority of Indians are more restricted to Thailand luckily and few might stray to other countries sporadically. Then the kind of treatment they get from girls in Thailand ensures no additional supply if available will be willing to service them atleast.

However I saw Chinese present in all locations and venues. The sheer amount of Chinese girls and customers in Malioboro speaks of domination being created. But I am personally also thankful for them for population increase as I am very fond of PRC girls and really have a good time with them in Singapore.

AC seemed to be primarily dominated by Korean visitors and even Manila to a certain degree considering it has the second largest Korean congregation (Koreatown) outside South Korea. The Japanese also seem to be omnipresent across locations and their nos are also increasing every year, its an assumption though.

Bottomline is that the analogy you have derived for price increase in this part of the globe i.e. due to Indians in SE Asia might not hold completely in light of what I have personally seen but that's my assessment.

[Uncle Volodya]

BTW Belle is still in touch with me on WeChat and is asking 5 mill per day to come and stay with me in Singapore...I told her to take a vacation to Vietnam...maybe the long stay away from her country has indeed corrupted her mind.Damn! That's some serious change!

I paid my two VN sweeties about $200 USD per day to stay with me. Though the first one didn't even ask for money I gave her some "for school". I negotiated with the other one up front in wechat.

I envy you living in SG. OT is full of hot VN girls. Why fly them in from Jakata? LOL.

[Member #4410]

I think not just most of them, but all of them. At least as far as day action. And as you mentioned, they are on-site brothels where the girls are controlled by mamasans, not places for free lancers. Sorry, I had thought you only wanted free lancers.
<SNIP>
If you don't want to shag on-site in a brothel during the day, another option could possibly be to bar fine a girl from a brothel in north Jakarta and take her to your room.
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At least that's my experience.
Bit of a late reaction, but anyway: If you establish a certain rapport with a working girl in a bar or other establishment you can make an appointment for a house call outside her working hours. I have had very satisfying visits over a number of years by (digs into diminishing memory due to advancing age): Novi kecil, Novi tinggi, Sari, Tutik, Shella and Wulan (all Maribaya) who took freelance Sindi with them a few times, and by Ayu, Mila, Indi and Titi (from D's Place). YMMV.

Regards,

Ko.

[Smoothy]

Bit of a late reaction, but anyway: If you establish a certain rapport with a working girl in a bar or other establishment you can make an appointment for a house call outside her working hours. I have had very satisfying visits over a number of years by (digs into diminishing memory due to advancing age): Novi kecil, Novi tinggi, Sari, Tutik, Shella and Wulan (all Maribaya) who took freelance Sindi with them a few times, and by Ayu, Mila, Indi and Titi (from D's Place). YMMV.

Regards,

Ko.I agree with that in regards to the Blok M girls. I've done that with them many many times. But the North Jakarta brothel girls are a different story.

[LA Guy 5]

Bit of a late reaction, but anyway: If you establish a certain rapport with a working girl in a bar or other establishment you can make an appointment for a house call outside her working hours. I have had very satisfying visits over a number of years by (digs into diminishing memory due to advancing age): Novi kecil, Novi tinggi, Sari, Tutik, Shella and Wulan (all Maribaya) who took freelance Sindi with them a few times, and by Ayu, Mila, Indi and Titi (from D's Place). YMMV.

Regards,

Ko.Actually, I'm not going to add to the above but would like to make a comment related to your post. You edited your post and gave the reason as "moronic auto-edit. " I'm wondering whether there is a way this could be made the default reason given for post edits so we do not have to type it in each time. In those cases, a minority I am sure, of instances where there is another reason for an edit, the poster could simply erase the default reason.

What do you think?

Sorry to go off topic but it had to be said.

[Lost99]

Marsya wanted 2,000,000 rp. Long term was impliedSeems like the asking price has definitely increased since last year; They started between 1. 5-2 mil, and you could negotiate down to 1-1. 5 mil. I even got one for 700 K towards closing time. It seems like those prices are out of reach now, unless you find someone desperate, unattractive, or both.

The reason asking price is increasing, I believe, is the simple fact the market is being spoiled (No disrespect Natty Bumpo, If I found my type of Huge (.)(.) on small frame I would maybe pay more). There are alot of businessmen at Mulia on expense accounts willing to pay these high prices without haggling, and the girls don't even need to leave the hotel! This is why so many gals won't budge on their asking price, or even leave with you if staying elsewhere.

One thing I am curious though, is whether the prices would be Cheaper on Ladies Night Weds, when they don't pay for cover (lower expenses for them) and more competition amongst ladies, or Weekend when there is more competition.

When I goto CJs in a few weeks time, I"ll go on Weds and try report back. I'm hoping I can still secure LT offsite to a different hotel for 1. 5 mil or less.

[LA Guy 5]

Seems like the asking price has definitely increased since last year; They started between 1. 5-2 mil, and you could negotiate down to 1-1. 5 mil. I even got one for 700 K towards closing time. It seems like those prices are out of reach now, unless you find someone desperate, unattractive, or both.

The reason asking price is increasing, I believe, is the simple fact the market is being spoiled (No disrespect Natty Bumpo, If I found my type of Huge (.)(.) on small frame I would maybe pay more). There are alot of businessmen at Mulia on expense accounts willing to pay these high prices without haggling, and the girls don't even need to leave the hotel! This is why so many gals won't budge on their asking price, or even leave with you if staying elsewhere.

One thing I am curious though, is whether the prices would be Cheaper on Ladies Night Weds, when they don't pay for cover (lower expenses for them) and more competition amongst ladies, or Weekend when there is more competition.

When I goto CJs in a few weeks time, I"ll go on Weds and try report back. I'm hoping I can still secure LT offsite to a different hotel for 1. 5 mil or less.This doesn't account for the full increase in the last year, but the rupiah has lost maybe 15 percent of its value in the last year and significantly more before that. I assume this translates into a high inflation rate in Indonesia, particularly for foreign goods. At some point the prices at places like BATS and CJs start catching up with this.

[Smoothy]

I took Blue Bird to Mulia from my Hotel. I reached around 11.30. Paid in the 200 k entry drink fee. Live band was playing inside. I walked from the back taking a good look around up to the Bar near the Loo. There were some good women there but I couldn't spot many young girls. I stood near the bar for some time and got myself a Guiness. Not many good looking women near the bar. I stepped down near the counter from where all women go to the loo and got myself a space to lean on. The first one to approach me was Nika. She refused to talk any further and left when I told her I was staying in Kota. I find this post interesting. I have read other guys posts where they ask if it's a problem staying in Kota and picking up free lancers from places like CJs and BATS. I've read where some people posted in reply that "it doesn't matter where you stay, the girls will go with you". However, I have had the same experience as you. There are girls who do not want to go to Kota. There is a reason the girls ask "where you stay in Jakarta" as part of their initial questioning. (What's your name?, where you come from?, where you stay in Jakarta? Is this your first time coming to Jakarta?) It's usually only with the really popular girls who want to do multiple short times in a night, but I think staying in Kota can be detrimental for you to pick up freelancers from BATS and CJs. If the girls are spending half of their night transiting to and from your hotel, they lose time and potential customers, so they prefer not to go to Kota. I'm not saying there aren't some who will go to Kota, but there are some who will prefer to not go up there. Many of them don't want to do a long time up in Kota as well because when they leave in the morning it takes them forever to get home with traffic. Basically none of the BATS or CJs girls live near Kota.

Then again, if it's getting near closing time and they haven't had a guy in a few days, they will be getting desperate. Not only will their price decrease, but they will be open to going anywhere.

[Smoothy]

This doesn't account for the full increase in the last year, but the rupiah has lost maybe 15 percent of its value in the last year and significantly more before that. I assume this translates into a high inflation rate in Indonesia, particularly for foreign goods. At some point the prices at places like BATS and CJs start catching up with this.It's crazy how much the price has gone up. In the past, if the rupiah devalued, I've noticed the price would raise as well. For example, back in 2001 the rupiah went from around 9000/1 to 12000/1. At that time, the girls raised their prices from 350 k to 500 k in BATS. Then that same year, Megawati replaced Gusdur as President and the exchange rate dropped from 12000/1 to around 8000/1 almost overnight. Did the girls lower their prices again due to that? No way. That's what's scary. When the rupiah strengthens again, at 1. 5 million, the price is going to be ridiculous. (It's already ridiculous if you ask me. But it is what it is.).

[Hihi Ster]

Awesome reports by IllusionHeart, it gives a good overview of Jakarta in my opinion. You mentioned a few points which I would like to comment on:


Summary of my experience in Jakarta:


1. FL scene in Jakarta was nonexistent or at least I didn't come across any good ones. I had to hang up my gun on the wall during these 5 days. There was simply no game to hunt.

There are a lot but you must know the local language.

3. There needs to be something done about the lighting in Discos. I still cannot understand why every place is Pitch Dark.

Because your eyes hurt when you're in a very bright room after taking XTC, in all Disco's (including popular ones like X2 and Emperica) most of the popular drugs are available.

4. Malio Club had the best looking girls I have come across in entire Jakarta. Request if some member can help me know the MO of enjoying their company. I would definitely return soon if I can take these girls to bed. Don't mind paying 2 Mill ST.

From what I gathered during my multiple visits to Malioboro was that any girl there was able to be brought to the room, at least every girl in Malio Club that I talked to, including all that were dancing on the stage. Prices ranged from 20 LD's for a Blowjob in one of the curtained boots on the 2nd floor (the ones overlooking the dance floor), starting at 40 LD's up to 80 LD's to bring them to the room. 2 LD's buys you a short lap dance wherever you are in the club, they usually go topless for 2 but sometimes try to get more out of you.

5. Local food in Jakarta is something I didn't try. I am very comfortable with street food in Thailand and even tried in Philippines but couldn't dare to in Jakarta. Maybe I need to do some reading if I am going to visit again.

6. CJs and BATS were a big letdown like Kartika. Maybe the good days for these places are over or they are going through real tough times.

7. Social media app scene was also very poor compared to Philippines or Thailand.

8. There is not much of a price advantage compared to Thailand or Philippines It all added up in the end.

9. I got a mix of CBJ and BBBJ in the sessions I had unlike Philippines where I completely enjoyed BBBJ and liked it. DFK was also not assured in all session. Never tried Greek so cannot comment on that.

I always point blank refuse a CBJ, should the girl still refuse to give a BBBJ even after offering some incentive I simply change the girl as for me the session is a waste from that moment onwards.

10. I felt that local language would have been an advantage while picking up local girls in Discos. I found the non or semi pro girls slightly reserved towards foreigners.

You are absolutely right. There are a lot of semi/non-pro girls around in all major clubs, but the only way to interact with them is in the local language or have a local buddy with you to help smooth things over.

11. 8 out of 10 blue bird guys never gave change back to me. So much for honesty. I can only imagine how bad other operators might be.

It is customary to round up to the nearest round number. So lets say your bill is 22.000, you give him a 50.000 note and claim 25.000 back. If he was a very friendly guy, good driver or you wish to tip these guys an additional amount for whatever reason they will always appreciate it. Most places allow free parking/entrance for taxi's but not all, which you then must add to the fare just like tol road charges.

12. I had read well and had planned my trips to avoid traffic jam and was quite successful in doing so on ground.

13. I couldn't make it to Blok M this time. I sure will if I return.

Don't bother in my opinion, unless you like old hookers passed their prime.

14. Girl tantrums were existent. I found girls to be more hardcore or pro comparatively maybe because these places have girls with that kind of behavior.

15. I would not recommend Jakarta as a repeat destination just basis of my single 5 day visit. My schedule is blocked in the current year till December with repeat visit to Philippines and Thailand. If time permits I might plan a visit early next year post reading on ISG thread about how the scene is on ground. I would definitely not come back purely to bed girls in the spa or massage parlours, Thailand is much better in comparison for that.

Thanks to Smoothy, Fast Eddie48, Studbucket, Menteng, Dorman and other members who had provided valuable inputs for me to plan my trip optimally and enjoy whatever Jakarta had to offer.

Continued in Geylang, Singapore

[Tiger 888]

It's crazy how much the price has gone up. In the past, if the rupiah devalued, I've noticed the price would raise as well. For example, back in 2001 the rupiah went from around 9000/1 to 12000/1. At that time, the girls raised their prices from 350 k to 500 k in BATS. Then that same year, Megawati replaced Gusdur as President and the exchange rate dropped from 12000/1 to around 8000/1 almost overnight. Did the girls lower their prices again due to that? No way. That's what's scary. When the rupiah strengthens again, at 1. 5 million, the price is going to be ridiculous. (It's already ridiculous if you ask me. But it is what it is.).Just don't forget, prizes are not crazy because the girls ask them but because there are guys who pay them.

[Smoothy]

Just don't forget, prizes are not crazy because the girls ask them but because there are guys who pay them.Very true. I tried to combat that by refusing to pay more than a million, but I was going home alone with my right hand every night.

[Sympalogy]

Very true. I tried to combat that by refusing to pay more than a million, but I was going home alone with my right hand every night.This had been my experience exactly in every single country I have been to.

When I try to pay less than "market price", my right hand becomes my companion that night.

[UsPete]

I've had some awesome Sundanese girls! I don't think you can generalize on sexual performance based on their heritage in this case. I do think you can generalize that pretty much all sundanese girls are "mata duitan" or as you say "suka nya duit" meaning they are gold diggers, but I wouldn't say "aja" (only). Some of them like sex as well as money. Some of the best shags I've had in Jakarta were Sunda babes. They are also known by the locals as being the best looking girls in all of Indonesia, and I happen to agree with that.With your batting average Smoothy it doesn't surprise me. I wish I was generalising but their Sundanese heritage is the tragic explanation for these girls fate. A few days ago a monger on this board reported on his visit to Hotel Travel and Classic (perplexing choices in my opinion, as they are quite rightly very poorly rated) and he commented his impression was that he felt the girls were forced into bonded labor. He was correct but this isn't something that has just happened as a result of the Vietnam War like the Isaan girl fenomena in Thailand. What he saw was the chattling of sundanese girls which has been in place in Java for 650 years as a direct consequence of the Battle of Bubat (wiki for more info.). At the end of every harvest about 4000 Indramayu and Subang Sundanese girls are rounded up. Loaded onto carriages to work under contract in North Jakarta as call-girls, masseurs and concubines. Your Javanese colleagues may regard them highly for their beauty and impreganate them at a young age but they will quickly discard them for being docile low caste Sundanese.

Yes, there are exceptions and the savvy mojang priangan of Bandung which I'm sure you've also encountered usually put up a stronger fight and make more suitable Nyai (mia noi) for Europeans. Occassionally a Sundanese princess can be found. I had a close friend. A very attractive successful singer / artist from Bandung in 1995 who when told she was a suitable concubine for a two star general made the truly honourable act of sacrificing her own life in a puncak car crash.

Ask one of your pious muslim god-fearing Sundanese male colleagues why he is forbidden to marry a Javanese girl. From his eyes and reaction you will see an Indonesian that is still caught up in an epic Hindu battle. The Islamic veneer will disappear for a second or two as he contemplates the evil deeds of Gajah Mada which forced the Sundanese girls into slavery.

[Smoothy]

Your Javanese colleagues may regard them highly for their beauty and impreganate them at a young age but they will quickly discard them for being docile low caste Sundanese.Interesting information. I agree that Sundanese are screwed over by the Indos more than any other type of girls due to their poverty. However, that doesn't mean they aren't the most beautiful girls in the entire country. And I wouldn't say that all Sunda girls provide bad service.

I hate any caste system. If a girl is hot as hell, I don't care at all if she's from some caste that the locals perceive as inferior for some God forsaken reason. All I care about is if are they good looking, sweet, and provide good service. I think Sundanese chicks are at the top of the Indonesian evolutionary scale when it comes to being good looking. The sweetest and most honest girls are from the Jogja and Solo area. But if a Javanese chick is working at Hotel Travel then she was also forced into sex slavery, so I don't see the difference between her and a sunda girl working in the same place. I find that the service the girls provide in the brothels depends greatly on the mamasans. That's why the same girl can work in one place and be terrible, but when she works in a different place she provides great service. As far as looks, only Manado chicks can compare to Sunda in looks. But it's rare to find a hooker from Manado since they are normally Christian, higher educated, and not dirt poor. I've never met even one in the North Jakarta brothels.

For sex, give me a Sunda girl any day. If I were to get married, I'd generally but not exclusively look for a girl from Solo or Manado.

[UsPete]

For sex, give me a Sunda girl any day. If I were to get married, I'd generally but not exclusively look for a girl from Solo or Manado.ID' agree with you Smoothy. Maybe you're correct and Kings Cross success is down to the training and attitude of the papasanas and mamasans.

For sex I'm strictly Betawi. Solo and Manado are in my top 5 for GFE. I guess you are aware of the joke about manado girls being MENang NAmpang DOang. Padang girls are my number one for relationships and it's a hell of a challenge.

Years ago we used to go to Manado churches which reside in the upper floors of shopping malls on a Sunday. We'd sit at the back of the room and wait for the girls to come in. If there were any lookers we'd go up and sit beside them. If they were all fugly bataks we'd sneak out the back door and wait for the next service an hour later. My strike rate was quite good on reflecttion.

Funny how there's no field reports from the churches are on this forum. The Sunday church service in Ambassador Mall which has dayaks, manado, and nasrani Javanese really is worth a visit for anyone so inclined.

[Smoothy]

Padang girls are my number one for relationships and it's a hell of a challenge.Haha. I avoid Sumatran chicks for relationships. They are last on my list because they are too strong willed. If I want a chick like that, I can go back to the US and find one.

Churches, Malls, McDonalds, the street. Girls are available anywhere in town. I have to admit I don't worry so much where they come from as far as shagging criteria.

[IllusionHeart]

Then again, if it's getting near closing time and they haven't had a guy in a few days, they will be getting desperate. Not only will their price decrease, but they will be open to going anywhere.I didn't see any potential with the girls available on either day hence first day rather then sticking around till the end at 1 pm I went to BATS, was big mistake. Second night also I moved on to X2, another mistake.

The good ones most probably get picked up on a regular basis. The ones that get left behind are the ones we didn't like in the first place or we would have picked them up initially. The only benefit would be the price for sure as you right pointed and location also but that's a maybe.

[Member #4410]

Actually, I'm not going to add to the above but would like to make a comment related to your post. You edited your post and gave the reason as "moronic auto-edit. " I'm wondering whether there is a way this could be made the default reason given for post edits so we do not have to type it in each time. In those cases, a minority I am sure, of instances where there is another reason for an edit, the poster could simply erase the default reason.

What do you think?

Sorry to go off topic but it had to be said.It is a common reason for editing, but not the only one.

Suggestions to Jackson.

[IllusionHeart]

Awesome reports by IllusionHeart, it gives a good overview of Jakarta in my opinion. You mentioned a few points which I would like to comment on:Thanks Hihi Ster. Further few thoughts.

1. FL scene in Jakarta was nonexistent or at least I didn't come across any good ones. I had to hang up my gun on the wall during these 5 days. There was simply no game to hunt.

There are a lot but you must know the local language.

I am still grappling with Thai, Tried and gave up learning basic Deutsch during my Deutschland visits, already increasing pressure to learn Tagalog, now I need to find time to learn Bahasa for good girls in JKT and I thought mongering was easy, select, pay and get over with....poor me...lol


3. There needs to be something done about the lighting in Discos. I still cannot understand why every place is Pitch Dark.

Because your eyes hurt when you're in a very bright room after taking XTC, in all Disco's (including popular ones like X2 and Emperica) most of the popular drugs are available.

I understand this now. Never seen drug abuse so rampant in other cities I have visited so far except Amsterdam where aroma of Cannabis was all over in the air in the RLD and adjoining streets..

4. Malio Club had the best looking girls I have come across in entire Jakarta. Request if some member can help me know the MO of enjoying their company. I would definitely return soon if I can take these girls to bed. Don't mind paying 2 Mill ST.

From what I gathered during my multiple visits to Malioboro was that any girl there was able to be brought to the room, at least every girl in Malio Club that I talked to, including all that were dancing on the stage. Prices ranged from 20 LD's for a Blowjob in one of the curtained boots on the 2nd floor (the ones overlooking the dance floor), starting at 40 LD's up to 80 LD's to bring them to the room. 2 LD's buys you a short lap dance wherever you are in the club, they usually go topless for 2 but sometimes try to get more out of you.

I am gonna keep this in mind as I dont mind paying upto 2 or 2.5 mill for an experience with the risk of a starfish. So If i have understood the MO, i make the girl sit with me and get her few LDs and ask her during the process if she would be providing me company. Her payments are expected to be in LDs only. I think this is worth trying. However anything over 2.5 mill is not something i would want to pay for ST except if the girl was driving me crazy. If any member is scheduled to be visiting and is interested in Malio girls, do try this and share some feedback.

9. I got a mix of CBJ and BBBJ in the sessions I had unlike Philippines where I completely enjoyed BBBJ and liked it. DFK was also not assured in all session. Never tried Greek so cannot comment on that.

I always point blank refuse a CBJ, should the girl still refuse to give a BBBJ even after offering some incentive I simply change the girl as for me the session is a waste from that moment onwards.

I was not aware I could do that here. Noted now and will keep in mind for future use in Jakarta.


10. I felt that local language would have been an advantage while picking up local girls in Discos. I found the non or semi pro girls slightly reserved towards foreigners.

You are absolutely right. There are a lot of semi / non-pro girls around in all major clubs, but the only way to interact with them is in the local language or have a local buddy with you to help smooth things over.


Same feeling as no 1

11.8 out of 10 blue bird guys never gave change back to me. So much for honesty. I can only imagine how bad other operators might be.

It is customary to round up to the nearest round number. So lets say your bill is 22.000, you give him a 50.000 note and claim 25.000 back. If he was a very friendly guy, good driver or you wish to tip these guys an additional amount for whatever reason they will always appreciate it. Most places allow free parking / entrance for taxi's but not all, which you then must add to the fare just like tol road charges.

I do tip generously but what i didn't like was the tip was assumed here irrespective of the amount upto 12k in one instance.


13. I couldn't make it to Blok M this time. I sure will if I return.

Don't bother in my opinion, unless you like old hookers passed their prime.


Noted

[IllusionHeart]

Damn! That's some serious change!

I paid my two VN sweeties about $200 USD per day to stay with me. Though the first one didn't even ask for money I gave her some "for school". I negotiated with the other one up front in wechat.

I envy you living in SG. OT is full of hot VN girls. Why fly them in from Jakata? LOL.Uncle V, I unfortunately don't live in SG. I visit every two months. Nightscene of SG is on a general decline. In my last two visits I was not able to find a single hot & young LT girl from OT (Ipanema). Nowadays these new FOBs who actually are on their 3rd or 4th visit in reality believe in multiple STs rather then single 250 sgd LT. I won't pay more than that and don't like the mature ones hence end up hanging around and calling it a day after few hours. Geylang was other good option for PRC but it seems the LE is upto something and things are also drying up there at night in terms of selection.

The other option of Pinays is slightly pricier and time consuming. You need to spend atleast 100 SGD on drinks on them at Moonshine or peyton, etc and then negotiate with her to come with your condo or room which she might only after 6 am once her bar closes and stay till afternoon. This costs anything between 150 to 200 SGD. Wouldn't recommend to anyone visiting Singapore once in a while. During my initial visit I also went to lucky plaza but found the overall Sunday Pinay rush very intimidating. Besides the good looking ones are working in BMD bars and won't be seen there on Sundays.

Sorry guys, slightly off city and topic post

[NewComer111]

Hi guys,

I am from India and coming to Bali and Jakarta in sometime. Got to know from friends the Sindhi population is huge in Jakarta and damn hot do any of you mongers would know of any direct independent girls would really appreciate. And will reciprocate the same when anybody needs contacts in Delhi.

[Member #4537]

I always point blank refuse a CBJ, should the girl still refuse to give a BBBJ even after offering some incentive I simply change the girl as for me the session is a waste from that moment onwards.If all of us did the same and just walked out or changed the girl the moment she insists on a CBJ, they wouldn't play this game with us. This is what the local mongers do.

Never had a problem with BBBJ or BBFS. 2 or 3 blue notes always did the trick, regardless of which venue.

[MrSoulo]

It said I had available space; might have to drop a note to Jackson. I deleted most of the messages and have room now.

Cheers,

AATried to reply to your pm and this message showed up: "Artisto Art has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space."

[Hilo77]

Haha. I avoid Sumatran chicks for relationships. They are last on my list because they are too strong willed. If I want a chick like that, I can go back to the US and find one.A male Batak friend of mine expressed his frustration recently at his inability to get a nice Batak wife. "They all want to marry bules these days" he told me. Given the number of good friends and colleagues married to Batak ladies I think he has a point. In my (admittedly limited) experience Batak ladies are great fun and very free-spirited but personally I would be wary of marrying one. If the wedding itself doesn't bankrupt you she'll clean you out in the divorce settlement, Batak ladies aren't as forgiving of male indiscretions as their Sundanese and Javanese sisters, and they all have too many lawyers in their families for my liking.

If you're in Sumatra I'd carry on north to Aceh, the ladies there can be hard to get but, my word, you will be well-rewarded for your effort even if you do have to fly them down to Jakarta for the privilege. Their Arab blood also gives them great cheekbones and voluptuous figures.

Manadonese ladies are stunners but frankly they are show ponies, constantly preening themselves and feeling left out if they aren't the centre of attention, you'll also be out a fortune on designer handbags and shoes.

As for you marrying a nice Javanese girl, Smoothy, well was it Hugh Heffner who described marriage as "the death of hope"? That with knobs on for being wedded to a Javanese girl, sure you get the demure, servile little wifey but you'll hardly have the ring on her finger than she'll be getting fitted out for the jilbab and the daster as befitting her new life as a respectable married ibu-ibu, you'll be clawing your eyes out with boredom.

No, you want some fun in your marriage, get yourself a fiery Sundanese girl (like you, when it comes to choosing women, I couldn't give a fiddler's fart about who won what battle half a millennium ago). A Sundanese woman (choose an office worker or such from Bogor or Bandung) knows how to keep her man happy and when to turn a blind eye at the right moment, she will keep herself in shape, look good and keep the house in order, provided you don't do what so many eejits do, of course, and marry some Indramayu bar girl.

Watch out for the brothers-in-law though; dead beats every last one of them.

[Ceegee]

Idul fitri money gathering seems to have begun. Girls I have barely spoken with on various dating apps seem to be coming out of the woodwork. One had a profile that made her look like a respectable office girl, just told me she works in a woman only spa. We have negotiated a 2 hour naked massage (both of us naked) plus BBBJ and fucking for 850.000 in my hotel room. Pics seem good, going to try to get her on cam to verify pics are real. Should be able to sample her next week.

P.S. I am enjoying the discussion (Hilo77, Smoothy) about various girls from various places. Always wanted to get back to Manado and try some girls there. Need to do some google work about Sundanese women.

[Minge]

Carrying on from my previous report about my trip last October, we headed to the Blok M again and went through the usual.

Exchanges from girls in Top Gun they must seem to smell the new guys in town.

Found a girl, Dewi, seemed nice enough small ish average body, good in the sack though.

A great BBJ and as many positions as I could think of, she was small enough to sit on it whilst I walked around the hotel room.

She panicked when I opened the door with her still astride me and said lets go and see my friend, so called off that adventure, finished up and off she went.

Damage 500. Feeling a bit seedy from 2 heavy nights did not bother heading back to the bar, and crashed.

[MasBule]

Hahaha absolutely outstanding summary IMHO and a funny read. I have not experienced Acehnese women on your list, certainly the forbidden fruit there.

Cheers bro.

One last question, I have never bedded a balinese woman? (low numbers and very elusive) Are there any comments on the 2 million Balinese women, I find them extremely intriguing. With stronger family life attributes than the Javanese and very strong village ties, often great english, cute (smaller?) bodies, BUT they seem to be immune to the bule advances. Or is it just me?


A male Batak friend of mine expressed his frustration recently at his inability to get a nice Batak wife. "They all want to marry bules these days" he told me. Given the number of good friends and colleagues married to Batak ladies I think he has a point. In my (admittedly limited) experience Batak ladies are great fun and very free-spirited but personally I would be wary of marrying one. If the wedding itself doesn't bankrupt you she'll clean you out in the divorce settlement, Batak ladies aren't as forgiving of male indiscretions as their Sundanese and Javanese sisters, and they all have too many lawyers in their families for my liking.

If you're in Sumatra I'd carry on north to Aceh, the ladies there can be hard to get but, my word, you will be well-rewarded for your effort even if you do have to fly them down to Jakarta for the privilege. Their Arab blood also gives them great cheekbones and voluptuous figures.

Manadonese ladies are stunners but frankly they are show ponies, constantly preening themselves and feeling left out if they aren't the centre of attention, you'll also be out a fortune on designer handbags and shoes.

As for you marrying a nice Javanese girl, Smoothy, well was it Hugh Heffner who described marriage as "the death of hope"? That with knobs on for being wedded to a Javanese girl, sure you get the demure, servile little wifey but you'll hardly have the ring on her finger than she'll be getting fitted out for the jilbab and the daster as befitting her new life as a respectable married ibu-ibu, you'll be clawing your eyes out with boredom.

No, you want some fun in your marriage, get yourself a fiery Sundanese girl (like you, when it comes to choosing women, I couldn't give a fiddler's fart about who won what battle half a millennium ago). A Sundanese woman (choose an office worker or such from Bogor or Bandung) knows how to keep her man happy and when to turn a blind eye at the right moment, she will keep herself in shape, look good and keep the house in order, provided you don't do what so many eejits do, of course, and marry some Indramayu bar girl.

Watch out for the brothers-in-law though; dead beats every last one of them.

[UsPete]

Hahaha absolutely outstanding summary IMHO and a funny read. I have not experienced Acehnese women on your list, certainly the forbidden fruit there. One last question, I have never bedded a balinese woman? (low numbers and very elusive) Are there any comments on the 2 million Balinese women, I find them extremely intriguing. With stronger family life attributes than the Javanese and very strong village ties, often great english, cute (smaller?) bodies, BUT they seem to be immune to the bule advances. Or is it just me?I'm still sticking out my hopes for a minangkabau Padang girl. They have a matrilineal culture where the dowry goes to the husband. I will settle for 1. 5 m per night, though I may need to reduce the daily dowry down to 1 m when the mortgage is due, as Egy Monger advised.

Actually this topic has been covered in a previous thread, if you go way back to 1928 in the ISG archives you can read that a group of mongers from Jakarta went to London to sing about indo girls. It's a kerontjong song that many of you will have heard on TV or Bars. It's one of the first malay songs I learnt as a kid.

In it we learn that you should not marry a girl from Pesapen because she has too many screws loose, pretensions, and 'attitude', or a young lady from Semarang because she's in debt up to her eyebrows and will likely bankrupt you, or even a dame from Krembangan. That type has too many lice. I have no idea how many lice are just enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0VJeQ-4550

If you are trying to learn bahasa here's one version, though I've also heard it in Dutch and Petjok (a dead language created specifically for mongering in the East Indies). If you need it translated find a long haired dictionary.

Djangan mandi Kali Pesapen.

Kali Pesapen banjak lintahnya;.

Djangan kawin noni Pesapen.

Noni Persapen banjak tingkahnya.

Ajoen ajoen ajoen in die hoge klapperboom.

Ajoen ajoen Masmira.

Djangan main gila.

Ajoen ajoen ajoen in die hoge klapperboom.

Ajoen ajoen Masmira.

Djangan main gila.

Djangan mandi Kali Semarang.

Kali Semarang banjak oedangnya;.

Djangan kawin noni Semarang.

Noni Semarang banjak oetangnya.

Djangan mandi Kali Krembangan.

Kali Krembangan banjak batoenya;.

Djangan kawin noni Krembangan.

Noni Krembangan banyak koetoenya.

[Hilo77]

Hahaha absolutely outstanding summary IMHO and a funny read. I have not experienced Acehnese women on your list, certainly the forbidden fruit there.

Cheers bro.

One last question, I have never bedded a balinese woman? (low numbers and very elusive) Are there any comments on the 2 million Balinese women, I find them extremely intriguing. With stronger family life attributes than the Javanese and very strong village ties, often great english, cute (smaller?) bodies, BUT they seem to be immune to the bule advances. Or is it just me?Only once, back in 2003, did I enjoy the company of a Balinese lady but given that she was a bar girl she would be very far from typical. She was a heavy drinker (perhaps exacerbated by trauma caused by being caught up in the 2002 bomb, as the drink flowed she got ever more unhinged about the sights she witnessed) and very passionate in bed but given her circumstances I could not possibly generalise about Balinese women from her.

There was a masseuse by the hotel pool who was very friendly during long lazy afternoons enjoying her ministrations and we were rapidly getting to the point of arranging extra-curricular activities until the third day when she turned up at work with two black eyes. Apparently her husband who was fond of a drop and less fond of working to fund his inebriation was unhappy with the amount of money she had brought home the previous evening, particularly as he needed cash for a big poker school coming up. The cheerful, smiling, family-centred culture of Bali has its dark side, like anywhere else.

Oh, and let us not forget the Madurese women, whose pelvic muscle skills are legendary and actually true. Mothers teach their daughters apparently, and wouldn't you like to be a fly on the wall at that particular family gathering.

[Engine Driver]

Lefeu, During my recent visit to Manila, I never came across any Indian in LA Cafe or Makati or EDSA. I did see some Malaysian Indians in AC but then they cannot be termed as Indians from the Mainland. I came across none in any of the Spas I went to in Indonesia. I think majority of Indians are more restricted to Thailand luckily and few might stray to other countries sporadically. Then the kind of treatment they get from girls in Thailand ensures no additional supply if available will be willing to service them atleast.

However I saw Chinese present in all locations and venues. The sheer amount of Chinese girls and customers in Malioboro speaks of domination being created. But I am personally also thankful for them for population increase as I am very fond of PRC girls and really have a good time with them in Singapore.

AC seemed to be primarily dominated by Korean visitors and even Manila to a certain degree considering it has the second largest Korean congregation (Koreatown) outside South Korea. The Japanese also seem to be omnipresent across locations and their nos are also increasing every year, its an assumption though.

Bottomline is that the analogy you have derived for price increase in this part of the globe i.e. due to Indians in SE Asia might not hold completely in light of what I have personally seen but that's my assessment.There are no direct flights from any Indian city to Manilla, so that is a disincentive for them to travel there. I suspect with the effective discrimination of Indians in Pattaya (for good reason), I see them going to the Philippines eventually.

[IllusionHeart]

There are no direct flights from any Indian city to Manilla, so that is a disincentive for them to travel there. I suspect with the effective discrimination of Indians in Pattaya (for good reason), I see them going to the Philippines eventually.Engine Driver, the key advantage that Thailand offers to average travelers irrespective of nationality is in terms of cost I. E food, stay, travel, alcohol, commuting and Sightseeing. The overall infrastructure is good and same is not available in Philippines. Apart from direct flight the overall travel time, travel cost, Hotel cost, mount up to quite a sum over mongering costs which would definitely deter an average Indian traveler visiting Thailand to change.

Indians who can manage these costs are anyways traveling currently to other locations besides Thailand such as Philippines, Cambodia, Indonesia and Vietnam. However the only reason my assessment could prove wrong in near future is if Thailand was to clamp down on Prostitution or it becomes super expensive which I don't foresee at least for the next 5 to 10 years. Hence I see no other reason for a major shift to Philippines or any other Country as far as Indians are concerned.

We also need to note that things are also going to keep getting expensive in Philippines simultaneously hence the price gap will only remain same or might even increase.

[The Cane]

Hence I see no other reason for a major shift to Philippines or any other Country as far as Indians are concerned.I would add that for an Indian, going to the Philippines would be no solution for avoiding discrimination from other Asians. When I was in Dubai, I found a number of Filipinas working there who openly expressed a lack of interest in having an Indian clientele. If this is the way it is in Dubai, then it's reasonable to expect the same attitudes in the Philippines itself. In other words, you can take the Filipina out of the Philippines, but you can't take the Philippines out of the Filipina! No matter where she lives, and especially in her home country. And could this also be true for some Indian mongers too?

I mean, if an Indian (s) were to start going to the Philippines and exhibiting the same bad behaviors that Thai women (rightly or wrongly) have accused them of, then would this not result in the same kind of situation faced by Indian mongers in Thailand today? I posit that if you can take the Indian out of India, but not the India out of certain bad behaving Indians, then you would end up with the same problems for Indian mongers in the PI that they have in Thailand now. And, you're already starting the game playing from behind due to already existing prejudices of many Filipinas towards Indian clients. My fellow Indian mongers, the Philippines is not the answer!

[Cucumber]

Went to Jalan Faletehan / Blok M on a Friday night. I think this street is overrated. Basically you are talking about 2. 5 bars and both this time and when I was there a year or two ago there was only really interesting action in Top Gun. By 12:30 the other bars were dead or dying, only Top Gun still alive. The live band plays good old rock and various covers. The number and variety of girls is limited. Many are 27-45. Perhaps I shouldn't complain too much, because I ended up with a girl with a remarkable body, incredible ass and tits, ok service, 22 years old.

On a Saturday I went to CJs at the Mulia Hotel. 180 rupia to get in. Much more upscale than Top Gun, but not a better selection of girls. In fact it is much harder work, 1. 5 million rupiah and the average age is probably higher than in Top Gun. I ended up with a 27 year old with a floppy body and slightly off breath. She was a true semi pro with a day job, out on the town for fun with a female colleague. Lots of work dancing, buying them a couple of drinks and waiting for her to ripen. After that experience I can't really see the point of going to CJs over Top Gun, but then when go to this area of Jakarta at all when you can go to North Jakarta. I certainly won't do it again.

[Smoothy]

After that experience I can't really see the point of going to CJs over Top Gun, but then when go to this area of Jakarta at all when you can go to North Jakarta. I certainly won't do it again.It depends on what you want. If you just want cheap sex with young girls as a pure business transaction for an hour in a sex slave brothel, then go to North Jakarta. If you enjoy chatting up the girls and having a little fun with them as human beings rather than just one drop cum buckets for an hour, then Top Gun is a good place to go. CJs and BATS have become more mercenary these days due to the great influx of sex tourists. Those girls can be almost as bad as the girls in North Jakarta now and will likely only want to do a short time. But there are still some gems in there you can find where you can hang out with them a few days and have some fun with them on your vacation. There have been weeks where I take a girl home from Top Gun, BATS or CJs and pay her the going rate the first night, but she then ends up staying with me the entire week not charging me a set rate again. We may hang out in Jakarta or go to Bali or Jogja, etc. A true GFE. But of course, I do give her what I feel is fair at the end of the week. After all, these girls do not have real jobs that pay the bills (regardless of what they tell you) and do need money to support their families. However, I normally give them less than the nightly rate they would get at cjs every night for a week. Try finding that in North Jakarta.

[LA Guy 5]

Went to Jalan Faletehan / Blok M on a Friday night. I think this street is overrated. Basically you are talking about 2. 5 bars and both this time and when I was there a year or two ago there was only really interesting action in Top Gun. By 12:30 the other bars were dead or dying, only Top Gun still alive. The live band plays good old rock and various covers. The number and variety of girls is limited. Many are 27-45. Perhaps I shouldn't complain too much, because I ended up with a girl with a remarkable body, incredible ass and tits, ok service, 22 years old.

On a Saturday I went to CJs at the Mulia Hotel. 180 rupia to get in. Much more upscale than Top Gun, but not a better selection of girls. In fact it is much harder work, 1. 5 million rupiah and the average age is probably higher than in Top Gun. I ended up with a 27 year old with a floppy body and slightly off breath. She was a true semi pro with a day job, out on the town for fun with a female colleague. Lots of work dancing, buying them a couple of drinks and waiting for her to ripen. After that experience I can't really see the point of going to CJs over Top Gun, but then when go to this area of Jakarta at all when you can go to North Jakarta. I certainly won't do it again.There have been occasions when for one reason or another I wasn't particularly looking for female companionship (for example, already had too much fun during the afternoon), but still ended up at Top Gun enjoying the band. At least when I have been there (which actually isn't so often as I'm not a big Blok M fan) the band alone made it worth the trip.

[Lefeu]

I would add that for an Indian, going to the Philippines would be no solution for avoiding discrimination from other Asians. When I was in Dubai, I found a number of Filipinas working there who openly expressed a lack of interest in having an Indian clientele. If this is the way it is in Dubai, then it's reasonable to expect the same attitudes in the Philippines itself. In other words, you can take the Filipina out of the Philippines, but you can't take the Philippines out of the Filipina! No matter where she lives, and especially in her home country. And could this also be true for some Indian mongers too?

I mean, if an Indian (s) were to start going to the Philippines and exhibiting the same bad behaviors that Thai women (rightly or wrongly) have accused them of, then would this not result in the same kind of situation faced by Indian mongers in Thailand today? I posit that if you can take the Indian out of India, but not the India out of certain bad behaving Indians, then you would end up with the same problems for Indian mongers in the PI that they have in Thailand now. And, you're already starting the game playing from behind due to already existing prejudices of many Filipinas towards Indian clients. My fellow Indian mongers, the Philippines is not the answer!Man, you write well. Very impressed with your writing style. Plus, you make perfect sense.

[Smoothy]

I posit that if you can take the Indian out of India, but not the India out of certain bad behaving Indians, then you would end up with the same problems for Indian mongers in the PI that they have in Thailand now. And, you're already starting the game playing from behind due to already existing prejudices of many Filipinas towards Indian clients. My fellow Indian mongers, the Philippines is not the answer!Indonesia certainly is not the answer either. You don't just have existing discrimination of many Filipinas towards Indians, you of course have Thai, Indonesian, and every other Asian working girl with the same desire to avoid Indians if possible. And as you well know, it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with those "certain bad behaving" Indians being too high a percentage of the Indians they come in contact with.

I read a good discussion of this on the Thai forum, I'm not sure why it crept over here.

However, it's easy to say "the Philippines is not the answer". I'm curious what you think the answer is.

[The Cane]

However, it's easy to say "the Philippines is not the answer". I'm curious what you think the answer is.Well of course, there is no easy answer to this. Actually, on the one hand the answer is quite simple. The percentage of "bad behaving" Indians must go down while the percentage of "properly behaving" Indians must go up. This is the only way to change the situation. But then on the other hand, this is something that would be rather hard to achieve in reality wouldn't it? At least in the short term. The best thing that any of us can do as individual mongers, regardless of where we hail from, is to comport ourselves in a manner that does not bring scorn down upon our brethren.

That's the best that any of us can do as individuals. You can't control everybody else, but you can control yourself. Changing the big picture through the power of one! I will add that you are quite right too in saying that for the Filipinas, this thing is not only just a matter of race or color. One Filipina in Dubai told me that she really liked to lay down with American men of most any color. Her statement to me on the matter seemed to make it much more about nationality versus race or color. This certainly would confirm your own thoughts on this then, at least with respect to that one particular Filipina. But, I'm willing to bet there are a lot of others just like her. Lots of them.

[Smoothy]

I will add that you are quite right too in saying that for the Filipinas, this thing is not only just a matter of race or color. One Filipina in Dubai told me that she really liked to lay down with American men of most any color. Her statement to me on the matter seemed to make it much more about nationality versus race or color. I don't think there is any doubt about that. In Bangkok, many of the Go-go's will not allow Indians, Arabs, or Blacks inside their doors. However, if those same guys are able to convince the place that they are from the USA or England rather than India, the Middle East, or Africa, they will be allowed in.

[Lost99]

Just wondering if anyone here has visited the various bars / pubs / KTVs in Little Tokyo near Block M.

I understand that this area is even bigger than Block M, and meant to cater to Japanese and Koreans. Not sure how welcoming these places are if you are white, or Asian of other descent. I am guessing since the girls here meant to cater to such, they likely have fairer skin, and softer facial features which the Japanese prefer.

Although I"m not into the KTV scene, I'd love to see the quality of girls at these places. I imagine that it would also cost less than high end places like Alexis / Malio / Sun City, but probably more than Block M. I am landing in a few days, and may venture out here if Block M disappoints again (last time quality of girls not up to par).

[FreebieFan]

Just wondering if anyone here has visited the various bars / pubs / KTVs in Little Tokyo near Block M.

I understand that this area is even bigger than Block M, and meant to cater to Japanese and Koreans. Not sure how welcoming these places are if you are white, or Asian of other descent. I am guessing since the girls here meant to cater to such, they likely have fairer skin, and softer facial features which the Japanese prefer.

Although I"m not into the KTV scene, I'd love to see the quality of girls at these places. I imagine that it would also cost less than high end places like Alexis / Malio / Sun City, but probably more than Block M. I am landing in a few days, and may venture out here if Block M disappoints again (last time quality of girls not up to par).Once a taxi driver dropped me on this area by mistake, as I was heading to Blok M. There are indeed many interesting bars and KTV places and I recall many friendly ladies. Didn't see many bules there but that's to be expected. The area certainly had promise and I seemed to be well welcomed by the ladies.

[Master Diver II]

Just wondering if anyone here has visited the various bars / pubs / KTVs in Little Tokyo near Block M.

I understand that this area is even bigger than Block M, and meant to cater to Japanese and Koreans. Not sure how welcoming these places are if you are white, or Asian of other descent. I am guessing since the girls here meant to cater to such, they likely have fairer skin, and softer facial features which the Japanese prefer.

Although I"m not into the KTV scene, I'd love to see the quality of girls at these places. I imagine that it would also cost less than high end places like Alexis / Malio / Sun City, but probably more than Block M. I am landing in a few days, and may venture out here if Block M disappoints again (last time quality of girls not up to par).I went here because a formerly active member of this forum (Panya) used to entertain a lot of Japanese clients there. I recall a couple of visits with JAD and Menteng: Menteng went after the "mummy" if I'm not wrong. I think she wanted something more serious with him than he was willing to offer: did I recall correctly bro?

There was at the time a distinct difference between the Japanese and Korean KTVs in that there was no guaranteed takeaway or "happy ending" at the Japanese KTVs, whereas you could always arrange to take the girl back from the Korean KTVs (that was handy if you wanted to slot the cost of the girl under your business entertainment expenses). The Japanese places were for companionship where you needed to make friends with a girl and see if you could bring that friendship "to fruition". The girls there were very proprietary over the guys who were their "bfs" - woe betide the guy if he took another girl, or the girl who stole the guy from another girl. The quality of the girls was indeed of a good standard and I was certainly made welcome even, as an Asian from another country. I believe this is how they still operate - can anyone else confirm?

Incidentally there used to be another Korean KTV called Cosmos just off Sudirman; I do wonder if they're still around.

MD II.

[Menteng]

I went here because a formerly active member of this forum (Panya) used to entertain a lot of Japanese clients there. I recall a couple of visits with JAD and Menteng: Menteng went after the "mummy" if I'm not wrong. I think she wanted something more serious with him than he was willing to offer: did I recall correctly bro?

There was at the time a distinct difference between the Japanese and Korean KTVs in that there was no guaranteed takeaway or "happy ending" at the Japanese KTVs, whereas you could always arrange to take the girl back from the Korean KTVs (that was handy if you wanted to slot the cost of the girl under your business entertainment expenses). The Japanese places were for companionship where you needed to make friends with a girl and see if you could bring that friendship "to fruition". The girls there were very proprietary over the guys who were their "bfs" - woe betide the guy if he took another girl, or the girl who stole the guy from another girl. The quality of the girls was indeed of a good standard and I was certainly made welcome even, as an Asian from another country. I believe this is how they still operate - can anyone else confirm?

Incidentally there used to be another Korean KTV called Cosmos just off Sudirman; I do wonder if they're still around.

MD II.You're right about the mamasan, bro. Still wonder why she refused this serious, sincere guy. BTW, how is James Bond?

I haven't been to that part of blok M for a long time, so things may have changed. Back then it was like this. Before the karaoke bars opened their doors, there was always a swarm of girls waiting to enter.

The mayority, I would say, those who have a regular job in there, enter, but there were always girls left outside who had to wait to be picked up by a visitor entering the place.

Though these girls were waiting to be picked up by a Japanese, who might become their sugar daddy, you can try your luck with them. Have a try at about 23.00. Another way to pick

up one of them, is to go there right after closing time of the karaoke's. You might find one who was inside but didn't get a costumer.

[SydneyDoc215]

Have to say that Jakarta is my new fav destination after spending one night there for the first time. I live in Australia and was on my way back from Bangkok. I actually preferred Jakarta to Bangkok as I felt more welcome with a greater level of service from everyone in general. I also prefer the Malay / Indo look as opposed to the Thai look. My only regret was that I only had one night but am planning to stay longer on my next trip in a few months time. I read a lot of the articles online as well as posts on this forum before I went over and I decided on Malioboro as the overall impression from everyone seemed to be that this ticked all the boxes. I thoroughly enjoyed the experience. First had a late lunch at the restaurant followed by a 90 minutes firm full body massage that was without any action as that was what I ordered. I believe naughty options are available at a higher price. I then checked out Malio club and treated myself to 4 lapdances by the dancers there. They were friendly and sweet but not as hot as some on this forum made them out to be. I've seen hotter Indo dancers working in Orchard Towers in Singapore. The lapdances were pleasant enough but they didn't really do it for me. Mainly just got them as I felt sorry for the dancers going around begging as it was a quiet night so I bought them each 5 shots. By this time I had also checked out the main lounge area where the girls are seated but no one caught my eye. However upon returning there I spotted 2 very hot tall Indo girls that were just my type. They had that slutty playful look about them. So I took them both for a threesome for one hour in the room upstairs which was very entertaining and lots of fun. Managed to last for most of the hour and the 2 girls happened to be best friends so they worked well together. The staff at the club were always courteous and professional and I really felt well looked after as compared to some of the establishments in Bangkok that seem to be only interested in padding your bill. Over here I found what you pay was very open and I liked that everything had a set price. Total damage for all of that including meals, drinks and entertainment over a period of about 4-5 hours was approx Rupiah 3,600,000 which I thought was great value. I would definitely return again. However besides the 2 girls I took for the threesome I couldn't say that I would have spent a lot of money on any of the other girls. Was hoping for a higher hotness rating. Would any of you guys know where I can bed some insanely hot Indo girls? Not interested in other types, only the local gals. My budget would be about 10,000,000 per night so I can afford some high quality models if they're available.

Thanks!

[Cucumber]

I went to BATS on a Sunday night. It was awful, worse than CJs (see my recent report below). Very few people, advanced age of both men and women (many men 70+, many women 30 or 40+), loud band, not particularly pleasant locale (in contrast to CJs, which is kind of hip and clearly draws a big non-pro partying crowd). I didn't see a single young (25 or younger), slim, attractive woman. Perhaps it was the wrong day but at least this was my impression.

Then another night I went to Kota Indah, an alley off Jalan Pangeran Jayakarta in North Jakarta. The taxi driver did not recognise the address, only "Royal bar". It is a dingy you-shaped alley with four establishments with 2-3 dancers on a little stage (periodically nude at a couple of the places), fishbowls in the back with 10-25 girls and rooms upstairs. Loud electronic music. The rooms are low standard with a rough shower attached, but the linen is clean. The main joints are called LA Bar, Royal, MTR2 and one with an Indonesian name that I can't recall. In addition there are 2-3 smaller karaoke places but I didn't try them as my singing skills would outshine and humiliate the other customers:) I saw only two foreigners the whole evening I was there, the rest are (mostly drunk) locals. Everybody treated me nicely.

I did one hour each with three girls from three different bars. The girls had an English vocabulary of about 15 words. They were on the chubby side for my taste and not accustomed to (regular) sophisticated sex. Typically third world working class environment where the guys just get their dick out, have a shower, get sucked, fuck in mish or doggy for 2-3 minutes and that is it. The girls are not used to veering from this path. DATY is important to me and I got it with all of them, but only after overcoming resistance. One kissed ok, but not really DFK. So the sex was so so, but on the bright side there was the potential pleasure of teaching them something, if you like that.

Overall I would not give Kota Indah a strong recommendation, but it can be worth a visit if you don't mind hunting a while to find gems and risking not finding any.

[Smoothy]

The girls are not used to veering from this path. DATY is important to me and I got it with all of them, but only after overcoming resistance. One kissed ok, but not really DFK. So the sex was so so, but on the bright side there was the potential pleasure of teaching them something, if you like that.You weren't teaching them anything, trust me. The girls in that place don't want you doing that because they are concerned about you sticking your tongue in their pussy that has just had 4 low class locals shoot a load of cum inside of them. They will ask you not to eat their pussy because it is "kotor" which translates to dirty. If you are the first guy they have been with, they probably won't mind. There is ZERO chance that I would ever stick my tongue in one of those girls working in that area.

[Master Diver II]

I went to BATS on a Sunday night. It was awful, worse than CJs (see my recent report below). Very few people, advanced age of both men and women (many men 70+, many women 30 or 40+), loud band, not particularly pleasant locale (in contrast to CJs, which is kind of hip and clearly draws a big non-pro partying crowd). I didn't see a single young (25 or younger), slim, attractive woman. Perhaps it was the wrong day but at least this was my impression.Yet another sign of how things have changed. Five or six years ago, I met two girls on two trips to BATS, both young (21/22) and both non-mercenary. No negotiations and really quite uninterested in money. One had gone there to get drunk and have fun (she did get drunk and we both had fun), and the other was just interested in the fun and was not interested in "taxi money" just some taxi money. The first was just a bit too wild and loud but I saw the second one quite often. Now I forget about these places and use the usual dating sites, although I do reminisce about the days in TigaPuluh, CJs and BATS.

MD II.

[Smoothy]

Yet another sign of how things have changed. Five or six years ago, I met two girls on two trips to BATS, both young (21/22) and both non-mercenary. No negotiations and really quite uninterested in money. One had gone there to get drunk and have fun (she did get drunk and we both had fun), and the other was just interested in the fun and was not interested in "taxi money" just some taxi money. The first was just a bit too wild and loud but I saw the second one quite often.

I do reminisce about the days in TigaPuluh, CJs and BATS.

MD II.

I don't really think BATS and CJs have changed much in the past 5 or 6 years other than the price increase for working girls. I know Menteng says you are the ultimate cassanova, and I am not arguing that, but I think you were fairly lucky to have met those two girls not interested in money. That would have been lucky 10 or even 15 years ago in BATS as well. But those kinds of "party" girls do still come to BATS and it's possible to meet them. They will usually hang out at the tables near the band or up top left upper area near the band. However, I normally stick to the working girls. They are less trouble. Picking up the "nice" girls there to have a good time normally ends up with worse repercussions in the long run emotionally and even possibly financially.

Tiga Puluh is the one that has really fallen off the map. That place used to be the best of the 3. Drunk girls dancing on top of the bar near the end of the night was always a treat. Loved that place! Damn shame they "renovated".

Last time I was in CJs, I pulled a 25 year old who didn't negotiate at all. Extremely attractive lady, but she was a crap shag. I only gave her 1 million rupiah because she was such a crap shag and would not consider repeating.

Last time I was in BATS, I pulled a nice 24 year old with an hour glass figure and a stomach that was close to a 6 pack. Perhaps the best shag I've ever had in Jakarta. Very GFE and up for anything. 1. 5 million rupiah.

To say there are many women over 30 in there is true, but there are some gems. And they will be a lot more fun and GFE than the girls in the brothels up north. You can even go down on them without worrying about getting a mouth full of an ojek driver's cum.

[SteelBaton]

. You can even go down on them without worrying about getting a mouth full of an ojek driver's cum.Now that's funny!

[Master Diver II]

I don't really think BATS and CJs have changed much in the past 5 or 6 years other than the price increase for working girls. I know Menteng says you are the ultimate cassanova, and I am not arguing that, but I think you were fairly lucky to have met those two girls not interested in money. That would have been lucky 10 or even 15 years ago in BATS as well. But those kinds of "party" girls do still come to BATS and it's possible to meet them. They will usually hang out at the tables near the band or up top left upper area near the band. However, I normally stick to the working girls. They are less trouble. Picking up the "nice" girls there to have a good time normally ends up with worse repercussions in the long run emotionally and even possibly financially.

Tiga Puluh is the one that has really fallen off the map. That place used to be the best of the 3. Drunk girls dancing on top of the bar near the end of the night was always a treat. Loved that place! Damn shame they "renovated".

Last time I was in CJs, I pulled a 25 year old who didn't negotiate at all. Extremely attractive lady, but she was a crap shag. I only gave her 1 million rupiah because she was such a crap shag and would not consider repeating.

Last time I was in BATS, I pulled a nice 24 year old with an hour glass figure and a stomach that was close to a 6 pack. Perhaps the best shag I've ever had in Jakarta. Very GFE and up for anything. 1. 5 million rupiah.

To say there are many women over 30 in there is true, but there are some gems. And they will be a lot more fun and GFE than the girls in the brothels up north. You can even go down on them without worrying about getting a mouth full of an ojek driver's cum.Yes, it was luck more than skill. If you can read the eyes (BATS is at least bright enough for this unlike some other places) you have a better chance to get the "right" girl. Menteng tends to flatter me (he is such a gentleman) but it's nothing more than learning what to say or not say in the circumstances. I'm just not in this scene as the dating scene has been so much better for me. You can avoid most of the emotional pitfalls by being upfront with the women. A surprising number like the fact that they have the freedom to say and do almost anything with you without penalty to their social standing or any of their friends knowing. I just wish I had as much time in Jakarta as I used to with my previous company.

TigaPuluh was the main reason I used to stay in LeMeridien. Damn I miss the fun I used to have there though. What a graphic description Smoothy. You never know who has been before you in the brothels up North and it would be advisable to bring a douche and help the girl use it, if you want to DATY.

MD II.

[SuperDong]

Incidentally there used to be another Korean KTV called Cosmos just off Sudirman; I do wonder if they're still around.

MD IIA quick search on Google confirms that it's no longer in business. I used to to date the karaoke girls who worked there, picking them up after their shifts finished around 11:00 pm and took them to Disco or night clubs. I didn't really spend much as these girls were genuinely looking for some fun after a long day at work, dealing with drunk and difficult customers.

I hooked up with quite a few of them and found out they're actually just village girls from Sukabumi who were attracted to city life but had no real skill to offer apart from their natural beauty. In the end, I just went straight to the source and manage to date a few pretty and innocent ones before they were recruited by Cosmos. Some of them who 'graduated' from Cosmos were able to get lucrative temporary jobs in Japan and Korea via agents. I personally know a young and pretty Sukabumi girl who were lucky enough to marry a Japanese and settled there.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, quite often these girls ended up working at Bars and Karaoke not because of their circumstances but rather due to their lifestyle choices. Which is to make easy money or finding a sugar daddy. I respect their choices and I think they should be allowed to make their own choices. I spent (wasted) 5 years (98-03) of my life by dating these kind of girls (dancers, escorts, etc) and I had never seen anyone who were forced to work in this industry because the promise of making lots of money is enough to attract them.

[Member #4410]

I had decided to spend a quiet evening in town so I went to Eastern Promise in Kemang. Crowded to a point just short of overcrowded, so nice. After a couple of beers and chatting with a couple of girls obviously on the take, but not my type, I took a taxi back to the hotel. On the way the taxi driver told me there had been a razzia in Blok M.

Only a single source, so unconfirmed, but very plausible since ramadan is approaching and the cops need money. Has anyone else heard about this raid?

Regards,

Ko.

[Smoothy]

Yes, it was luck more than skill. If you can read the eyes (BATS is at least bright enough for this unlike some other places) you have a better chance to get the "right" girl. Menteng tends to flatter me (he is such a gentleman) but it's nothing more than learning what to say or not say in the circumstances. I'm just not in this scene as the dating scene has been so much better for me. You can avoid most of the emotional pitfalls by being upfront with the women. A surprising number like the fact that they have the freedom to say and do almost anything with you without penalty to their social standing or any of their friends knowing. I just wish I had as much time in Jakarta as I used to with my previous company.

TigaPuluh was the main reason I used to stay in LeMeridien. Damn I miss the fun I used to have there though. This is interesting timing because Ramadan is so near, but I hear that BATS has recently hired the FUSE band to play there. It's about damn time they hired a good band. That band used to play the Ritz Carlton in the past, and I used to go there specially to see them. They have a local following among the indo chick party circuit (mainly because of that Colombian guy in the band who dances so well). My guess is that you can expect more non-working girls going there to get drunk, dance, and party in BATS due to that band playing there now. The indo chick lead singer is not only a good singer, but easy on the eyes.

[Member #4410]

I had decided to spend a quiet evening in town so I went to Eastern Promise in Kemang. Crowded to a point just short of overcrowded, so nice. After a couple of beers and chatting with a couple of girls obviously on the take, but not my type, I took a taxi back to the hotel. On the way the taxi driver told me there had been a razzia in Blok M.

Only a single source, so unconfirmed, but very plausible since ramadan is approaching and the cops need money. Has anyone else heard about this raid?

Regards,

Ko.I was in the's Place this evening to get a blowjob (excellent service by Ayu this time) and the girls confirmed there had been a raid in which the girls were checked for their KTP. No customers were harrassed. Some girls had left heir ID at home and were further checked. The girls I spoke were not sure if they had to pay and how much.

Ramadan is indeed near, so beware the police.

[Michelangelo]

Many reports already about these 2 places which I visited yesterday and today. Mamas pushy in both places, but it is easy to turn them down and look around - 350.000 IDR in both places. Travel was very busy and I was lucky to get there around 8. 30 pm. Plenty of good looking girls in all sizes and shapes. At 10.00 pm almost all girls were busy. Had a great time with nice 22 year old girl from Java, very GFE, which is unusual for this place.

Classic was not really busy. - many young girls (<18!) - found a 19 year old spinner, very talkative and a bit mechanical, but a killer body! She told me being new to the place and will not stay long. Said she only gets 90.000 IDR out of the 350.000, the balance being for the room, for the mama and for something else which I did not really understand. Maybe she is more exploited than others working there for longer, but I would not be surprised. She did not ask for a tip and actually was surprised when I gave her one. She deserved it.

Back to my hotel, I chatted a few girls offering room service on WeChat. Asking price 1 million for massage and FS. I do not see the point of paying such an amount of money with so many nice girls available in places like Travel and Classic.

[IndoIndo]

I was in the's Place this evening to get a blowjob (excellent service by Ayu this time) and the girls confirmed there had been a raid in which the girls were checked for their KTP. No customers were harrassed. Some girls had left heir ID at home and were further checked. The girls I spoke were not sure if they had to pay and how much.

Ramadan is indeed near, so beware the police.Would the more knowledgeable members of Jakarta scene enlighten the others if they have actually been in during a raid and their experience of it and what / how to behave during one.

[Member #4410]

A number of you may remember Novi kecil who used to work in Maribaya until 2004, when she left to get married and get a child. This afternoon I went to Maribaya and lo and behold! She's back. She recognised me before I recognised her, but after taking a closer look I saw that her face hasn't changed very much. The memory of these girs is uncanny: she remembered my name, that she had come to my hotel a number of times with Sari, etc.

She is not as kecil as she was; she has grown somewhat after having a child and after 10 years. She told me that she was 19 the last time we met. Pictures of her and Sari can be found in a number of posts I made under my Koperen Ko moniker in 2004.

I took her with another girl, Eki, and of course asked to take pictures. Novi is a refreshing exception to the present custom; she had no objections at all and following that Eki also agreed. Novi has lost none of the blowjob skills for which I nicknamed her Nilfisk in the past; excellent. Eki was nearly as good. Novi also did not hesitate when I asked her to rim. After some initial licking she pushed het tongue in while Eki kept sucking. Attached is a picture of Novi kecil as she is now. More to follow in the Picture Gallery.

Regards,

Ko.

[UsPete]

Would the more knowledgeable members of Jakarta scene enlighten the others if they have actually been in during a raid and their experience of it and what / how to behave during one.A guy called Gareth Evans managed to film a couple of Raids. Google him.

[Member #4410]

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She told me that she was 19 the last time we met. Pictures of her and Sari can be found in a number of posts I made under my Koperen Ko moniker in 2004.
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I just saw that all pre-2007 posts were removed from the forum. Oh well.

[Shuga]

I just saw that all pre-2007 posts were removed from the forum. Oh well.Not really. If you scroll down to the bottom of the list for Indonesia forums you will find archives for Jakarta, Bali and Photos 2002 - 2006 http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2699-2002-2006-Jakarta-Reports.

[Member #4410]

Not really. If you scroll down to the bottom of the list for Indonesia forums you will find archives for Jakarta, Bali and Photos 2002 - 2006 http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2699-2002-2006-Jakarta-Reports.Yeah. I saw that after I posted, but I figured others would be smarter than me.

[Hilo77]

Would the more knowledgeable members of Jakarta scene enlighten the others if they have actually been in during a raid and their experience of it and what / how to behave during one.My only experience of a razzia was in Dee's Place a few years back. I arrived and ordered a drink and was rather surprised to see the door to the VIP room wide open, the room was empty and all the lights were on.

I asked the security man about it and he said "razzia", I asked him when it happened and he glanced at his watch and said "oh, we're expecting them in another hour or so".

Presumably back then the management had a closer relationship with the local constabulary than they do now.

[Member #4410]

My freebie (I will keep using her "stage name", Novi tinggi as she has left the business and has a repectable job) had been asking me repeatedly about my next visit to Indonesia, so we met up early June in Jakarta. This girl genuinely likes me; she never talks about money, arranges for her own transport to and from my hotel (car and driver borrowed from her uncle) and is just happy to spend time with me. Of course there is no such thing as a freebie. I brought her oleh eleh from the Netherlands (perfume and other things) and I provide for her while we're together.

The last time I met her I bought her some toys, including a little vibrating egg, and she came with a request from one of her friends to bring a vibrating egg for her, so I suggested we go to Mal Ambassador together. At first she didn't want to go with me but when I told her that women were selling the toys she relented and we went together. She had a very animated conversation with the salesgirls behind the counter and I ended up buying two vibrating eggs (as presents for friends) and a fairly large and intricate vibrator for Novi. The things you do to maintain a friendship.

Obviously she had been discussing her toys with her friends (so much for "malu") and this had raised interest. Perhaps I can ask her to take her friend along when she returns. Ramadan starts on June 17 or 18 and girl pickings in town will be slim so she will return next Thursday to alleviate that until my return to the Netherlands. Sorry, this time no pictures.

[Member #4410]

Today start of the Ramadan was fixed on July 18. The effect is of course already noticable in many places. Yesterday only 2 dancers in D's Place, forcing some desperate ekspats to use the services in the backroom of some of the older women. I passed on that and went to EP for a couple of quiet beers.

Today went to Maribaya and was told that tomorrow it will be closed (officially, that is) and will re-open on July 20. I did have an excellent shag with Novi again. She asked me to take some pictures and was very proud of them. She loves being photographed. Exchanged hp-numbers in case I get the urge again this week. Pictures will follow in the Photo Thread.

Funny: Ayu also texted what my plans for the evening are; she wasn't going to D's because it is boring this week. A quick invitation to come to the hotel was too quick. Her child was at home and she couldn't leave it alone. Will check another link. I think I will invite Novi or Ayu for another round in my hotel tomorrow afternoon. Thursday or Friday Novi tinggi will come again.

Saturday pulang kampung, unfortunately.

[Smoothy]

Today start of the Ramadan was fixed on July 18. The effect is of course already noticable in many places. Yesterday only 2 dancers in D's Place, forcing some desperate ekspats to use the services in the backroom of some of the older women. I passed on that and went to EP for a couple of quiet beers.

Today went to Maribaya and was told that tomorrow it will be closed (officially, that is) and will re-open on July 20.I'm sure this was a typo, but that's June 18, not July. June 17 and 18 absolutely everything will be closed in Jakarta. If you don't have a girl already booked on the side, you are stuck with your right hand for now.

[Member #4716]

Today start of the Ramadan was fixed on July 18. The effect is of course already noticable in many places. Yesterday only 2 dancers in D's Place, forcing some desperate ekspats to use the services in the backroom of some of the older women. I passed on that and went to EP for a couple of quiet beers.

Today went to Maribaya and was told that tomorrow it will be closed (officially, that is) and will re-open on July 20. I did have an excellent shag with Novi again. She asked me to take some pictures and was very proud of them. She loves being photographed. Exchanged hp-numbers in case I get the urge again this week. Pictures will follow in the Photo Thread.

Funny: Ayu also texted what my plans for the evening are; she wasn't going to D's because it is boring this week. A quick invitation to come to the hotel was too quick. Her child was at home and she couldn't leave it alone. Will check another link. I think I will invite Novi or Ayu for another round in my hotel tomorrow afternoon. Thursday or Friday Novi tinggi will come again.

Saturday pulang kampung, unfortunately.What are these girls' rates for short time vs long time?

[Undercoverh]

On a recent trip to Jakarta for 4 days, I tried to visit lots of Spas, but time and traffic prevented me from doing all that I wanted to do. Can anyone recommend a hotel that is easy access to Classic Hotel, Travel, King Cross, Malioboro and Alexis?

I find that going to Jakarta and visiting the Spas there is more fun then going to Thai MPs. This is my opinion, based on my experience, your experience may be different. For example, when I went to Classic, I was expecting to pay 350 IDR, but then the mama offered 2 girls for 500 IDR. What a deal. I was not sure I heard her right after I picked the two girls, but it was too late to turn back. Two Indo, cute, with nice ass, and playful, and a good sex. Both provided BBBJ, at the same time! I felt really lucky that night. I tipped them each 100 IDR, for a total of 700 IDR. I have not had a deal like that in Bkk. That is, two young sexy girls with good BBBJ and sex for 500 IDR house rate. Looking back on it, I do not know if that was a special or what. I wonderful if other guys have had the same deal. I will for sure plan a trip back to Jakarta in 5 weeks. I find that I enjoyed my time in Jakarta more then my time in BKK.

P.S. Is it just me, but I noticed that the Indo girls have asses like Latin girls. Of all the Asian countries I have been to, I find that the Indo girls has a larger number of young girls with great looking round asses, like Spanish girls. Did other guys find this true also? Jakarta is my new Fav spot in Asia!

[Member #4410]

What are these girls' rates for short time vs long time?In Maribaya the rate is fixed at 600,000 IDR per girl per hour, of which the girl gets to keep 200,000.
If the girls like you most of them do housecalls and I give them 600,000 for the night.

Ayu is a D's place girl. Rates there are 300,000 for a blowjob by one girl. Additional services cost extra.
Housecalls are also usually 600,000, but some stunners want more. I gave Ayu 800,000 this time (she decided to come after all) as a Ramadan bonus.

[Member #4410]

I'm sure this was a typo, but that's June 18, not July. June 17 and 18 absolutely everything will be closed in Jakarta. If you don't have a girl already booked on the side, you are stuck with your right hand for now.Yes, typo. Luckily I have two girls lined up.

[Member #4410]

<SNIP>
Funny: Ayu also texted what my plans for the evening are; she wasn't going to D's because it is boring this week. A quick invitation to come to the hotel was too quick. Her child was at home and she couldn't leave it alone. Will check another link. I think I will invite Novi or Ayu for another round in my hotel tomorrow afternoon. Thursday or Friday Novi tinggi will come again.

Ayu later changed her mind and texted if I would mind when she came to the hotel at 10. Of course not. Remarkably punctual she walked through the front door at 10 and she stayed for most of the night. She wanted to leave at 4 am with the excuse that that was her normal time after work and otherwise the neighbours would gossip. OK. Pictures will follow in the Photo Thread.

[Member #4410]

Yes, typo. Luckily I have two girls lined up.I heard from Novi, who came to visit this afternoon (see separate post) that several bars in Kemang will be open. I'll check EP for some beers. Tonight I will take a well-deserved rest. If all goes well my freebie will arrive tomorrow afternoon.

[Member #4410]

This morning I texted Novi if she would like to come to my room. Within seconds the affirmative came together with the question if I would like a second girl, and what kind. I asked for a slim girl and at 14:00 they walked in the front door. She had brought Wati, another Maribaya girl whom I had never seen before.

We went to my room and we spent an enjoyable two hours together. Good teamwork by the two. Damage 500 k each plus taxi. Pictures in the Photo Gallery.

[Smoothy]

On a recent trip to Jakarta for 4 days, I tried to visit lots of Spas, but time and traffic prevented me from doing all that I wanted to do. Can anyone recommend a hotel that is easy access to Classic Hotel, Travel, King Cross, Malioboro and Alexis?

I find that going to Jakarta and visiting the Spas there is more fun then going to Thai MPs. This is my opinion, based on my experience, your experience may be different. For example, when I went to Classic, I was expecting to pay 350 IDR, but then the mama offered 2 girls for 500 IDR. What a deal. I was not sure I heard her right after I picked the two girls, but it was too late to turn back. Two Indo, cute, with nice ass, and playful, and a good sex. Both provided BBBJ, at the same time! I felt really lucky that night. I tipped them each 100 IDR, for a total of 700 IDR. I have not had a deal like that in Bkk. That is, two young sexy girls with good BBBJ and sex for 500 IDR house rate. Looking back on it, I do not know if that was a special or what. I wonderful if other guys have had the same deal. I will for sure plan a trip back to Jakarta in 5 weeks. I find that I enjoyed my time in Jakarta more then my time in BKK.

P.S. Is it just me, but I noticed that the Indo girls have asses like Latin girls. Of all the Asian countries I have been to, I find that the Indo girls has a larger number of young girls with great looking round asses, like Spanish girls. Did other guys find this true also? Jakarta is my new Fav spot in Asia!Over the last 10 years, I've been to Classic over 100 times and I have taken 2 girls at Classic probably 10 times. Each time I regret it. When you get 2 girls in the room there, they inevitably provide poor service. It's better to take them one at a time. Even with 1 girl at a time at that place, the service there is mediocre at best. I find it very hard to believe that you had "good sex" when taking 2 girls there. I'd be interested what places you are visiting in Bangkok where you think the sex is better at Classic with the 2 girl special than it is in Bangkok. Have you tried the Eden Club in Bangkok? Now THAT is good sex.

[Smoothy]

Luckily I have two girls lined up.Smart man. The day before the start of Ramadan, and the first and second days of Ramadan are a bummer.

[Member #4410]

Smart man. The day before the start of Ramadan, and the first and second days of Ramadan are a bummer.EP announced on their facebook page that they will be open this evening. Not tomorrow, though.

Beer, here I come!

[Undercoverh]

Over the last 10 years, I've been to Classic over 100 times and I have taken 2 girls at Classic probably 10 times. Each time I regret it. When you get 2 girls in the room there, they inevitably provide poor service. It's better to take them one at a time. Even with 1 girl at a time at that place, the service there is mediocre at best. I find it very hard to believe that you had "good sex" when taking 2 girls there. I'd be interested what places you are visiting in Bangkok where you think the sex is better at Classic with the 2 girl special than it is in Bangkok. Have you tried the Eden Club in Bangkok? Now THAT is good sex.In my previous post I stated upfront, "this is my opinion based on my experience, your experience may be different. " As far as Eden club, did that a few times about 7 years ago. Sex was good, however the girls were not young or that attractive to me. Again, this is my opinion based on my experience and taste as it relates to ladies.

It is interesting to note that several other men here written very good write ups on Classic over the past 6 months. So their experience was also much more enjoyable then yours. I cannot explain why the girls at Classic do not provide you with good sexual service.

You stated you have been to Classic more then 100 times, why keep going back when the girls there do not give you good service.

[Smoothy]

You stated you have been to Classic more then 100 times, why keep going back when the girls there do not give you good service.100 times is not that many relative to how many times I have been to the other places in town. Over a 10 year time frame, that is only 10 times per year. There are some places in town that I have visited well over 1000 times. I wouldn't say that I have never had a decent shag at Classic, because the girls are young and attractive so that's a good thing and even a starfish shag with a young girl can be nice. But I have never had what I consider to be "good sex" there. I do think it's better than Hotel Travel however. For some reason, the girls at Malioboro are more passionate than the girls in Classic or Travel (although I wouldn't call the girls at Malioboro passionate).

Eden Club doesn't have many beautiful or young girls, but the service is off the charts. I have been lucky a few times over the years and had some real stunners there, but that is the exception. That thing they do at the start where one girl licks your ass and balls while the other one sucks you off is the best start to any massage I've had anywhere. And they know how to suck a cock. The girls at Classic and Travel give poor BJ's and just want to get out of the room as soon as possible.

In my opinion, on the average, the girls at the oily massage places in Bangkok provide way better sex than the chicks at Travel or Classic. The Soapy girls, not so much. Karel has been posting pics from Maribaya. That place is similar to Eden Club where the girls are not as young or attractive, but the sex is great.

[Member #4410]

EP announced on their facebook page that they will be open this evening. Not tomorrow, though.

Beer, here I come!That annoucement was slightly misleading since they closed around 8 pm. When I arrived around 9 pm the place was dark, all outside advertising had been covered in black plastic and the night watchman sat on the porch telling everybody they would re-open on June 19. Oh well, back to the hotel bar. That was open until the regular time, 12 pm, so I could get a little sloshed anyway.

[Undercoverh]

You are astute. You hit it right on the head. Those girls are mafia controlled sex slaves. However, you were going with girls in the mafia controlled brothels of North Jakarta. Try asking one of those brothel girls to go to Bali with you and see what happens. Even if you have had sex with that same girl 100 times in the past year and she really likes you and would love to go to Bali with you, she will not be able to. Unless you pay the mamasan something like 2 or 3 million rupiah per day to take her to Bali with you.

However, there is a drastic difference between those mafia controlled girls and the free lancers at BATS and CJS or even the girls at Hotel Melawai Maribaya massage. Those girls are free to do as they please, and they almost always provide excellent service. Ask one of those CJs or BATS girls to go to Bali with you and they will be packing their bags immediately, and most times dont even care if you give them any money. As long as you pay their airfare and expenses, and buy them a couple of things there, they are usually happy. Most western guys seem to prefer the free lancers or hitting the malls and internet for girls over the brothels. I know I do. Most Asian guys seem to prefer the brothels.You are correct in your post when you rasied two important points. That is, most of us Asian guys do prefer the Spas and MP brothels. Reason, we simply want to have sex with cute young girls (over 18), in a nice surrounds, with good service, pool, food, etc. We have no desire to date hookers and marry them. This is the big difference between Western men and Asian men, especially those Asian men born in Asia. Western men will pay for sex with a hooker, then want to date them. Or, worst, marry them. Most Asian people find this odd.

One American expat frined explained the reason why this way. In American, the men have no or little access to cute young Asian girls, especially if the guy is in his 40s or 50s. When they come to Asia, they go wild, like kids in a candy shop. And, sometimes lose sight of reality. Thus, wanting to date young hookers (even the old hookers) or marry them.

Whereas Asian guys, we have grown up in Asia with tons of cute girls all around us. From the time we go to school to working in the office. Plus, if you are a middle class Asian guy, it is easy to bang regular Asian girls here. Even the the ugly middle class Asian guy has a cute girlfriend or wife. To us, it is no big deal becasue we have always been around Asian women. In addition, we have always had access to P4 P sex, even when we were in our teens. However, for most Asian men (like 90%) that grow up in Asia, we never think of marrying or dating a hooke who that bangs 100's of men. We would never think of having kids with her or bring home to meet our family and friends. This is not acceptable in our culture, nor do we want to do it.

Yes, we bang these hooker women all the time, and enjoy our time with them. But we do not confuse a hooker with a regular nice girl we would date or marry. If we take a girl to Bali, it would be a regular girl as our girlfriend, or our wife that is a middle class lady from a good background.

But I do understand why Western men are quick to want to date hookers. It is becasue most Western men to do not know the language and have access to regular nice Asian girls (other then online dating with is also filled with problem girls). Thus, the quickes route to date an Asian girl for most Westerns just of the plane, is to date a hooker. Which results in a ton of problems.

As an Asian guy, I look for service when I go to a MP or Spa. I am not looking for a relathionship. I am not trying to tounge kiss her, beccause I know she has been sucking dicks all day. Also, I am not trying to eat her pussy, because I know many hookers will have sex with no condom. Or, many other guys have been licking her pussy. It is a service she provides me, such as a good BJ, giving me a good wash, giving me a good massage, providing good sex. Asian men look for good service, Western men look for a GFE and possible date. Neither is bad or right, it is just how men from different cultures and backgrounds are different.

Note: This is my opinion, based on my experience. Your experience may be different. Also, I am making generalizations. I know there is always exceptions to the rule.

[Hilo77]

You are correct in your post when you rasied two important points. That is, most of us Asian guys do prefer the Spas and MP brothels. Reason, we simply want to have sex with cute young girls (over 18), in a nice surrounds, with good service, pool, food, etc. We have no desire to date hookers and marry them. This is the big difference between Western men and Asian men, especially those Asian men born in Asia. Western men will pay for sex with a hooker, then want to date them. Or, worst, marry them. Most Asian people find this odd.

One American expat frined explained the reason why this way. In American, the men have no or little access to cute young Asian girls, especially if the guy is in his 40s or 50s. When they come to Asia, they go wild, like kids in a candy shop. And, sometimes lose sight of reality. Thus, wanting to date young hookers (even the old hookers) or marry them.

. . .I think this is one of the most perceptive and accurate posts I have ever read in this forum.

[Lefeu]

I think this is one of the most perceptive and accurate posts I have ever read in this forum.And I think this is gross generalization. Maybe that analysis applies to a small minority of Western men, but not more than that.

[Lefeu]

Whereas Asian guys, we have grown up in Asia with tons of cute girls all around us...In addition, we have always had access to P4P sex, even when we were in our teens...But I do understand why Western men are quick to want to date hookers...I am not trying to tounge kiss her, beccause I know she has been sucking dicks all day. Also, I am not trying to eat her pussy, because I know many hookers will have sex with no condom...This is my opinion, based on my experience. Your experience may be different. Also, I am making generalizations. I know there is always exceptions to the rule.Most Western men have also grown up in Western countries with cute Caucasian girls all around them. There is nothing unique to Asian guys here. Most Western teenagers have also access to P4 P, except that most of them don't need it as girls are readily available to them. Also, they don't pursue P4 P because they don't have the money at that age. Curious to know where Asian teens get their money for P4 P. Not all Western men want to date hookers, only a few may do so. And eating pussy, kissing a girl are all services that Western men enjoy. You may just like to have sex with providers. We enjoy kissing them and eating their pussy. Nothing wrong with that. Sorry, but most of your observations about Western men are incorrect at best, or applies to a small minority.

[LA Guy 5]

Most Western men have also grown up in Western countries with cute Caucasian girls all around them. There is nothing unique to Asian guys here. Most Western teenagers have also access to P4P, except that most of them don't need it as girls are readily available to them. Also, they don't pursue P4 P because they don't have the money at that age. Curious to know where Asian teens get their money for P4 P. Not all Western men want to date hookers, only a few may do so. And eating pussy, kissing a girl are all services that Western men enjoy. You may just like to have sex with providers. We enjoy kissing them and eating their pussy. Nothing wrong with that. Sorry, but most of your observations about Western men are incorrect at best, or applies to a small minority.To the extent Asian men and Westerners want different things sexually from their P4 P experiences this might solve the mystery of why some here find the service level at places like Classic and Travel in Jakarta just fine, while others (aka westerners) pretty consistently find the service at those places lacking. If you aren't looking for much in the way of service it is not difficult to find a girl who will meet that standard.

Mystery solved?

[Hilo77]

A few years back a group of us western guys met up and went to Malioboro. The group consisted of several guys who were new to the Asia scene, myself and one other, a New Zealander, the same age as the rest of us but who grew up in Hong Kong. The other guys (including myself) were all doing the usual sizing up the talent, chatting up the dancing girls, throwing money away on titty dances, trying to impress the dancers with our charm, wit and personalities.

The Kiwi guy was studying the drinks list looking for a particular fine brandy he liked and asking to see what cigars were on sale. Later when we all went our ways with the pretty young things, he went off to choose a masseuse to get the best massage he could get, specifically mentioning at the desk he wasn't interested in looks but on massage skills, I should point out he expected a happy ending but regarded that simply as something that was a part of a normal, good massage (unlike in the west of course).

Afterwards of course we all took the mickey out of him but he smiled quietly and explained that having grown up in Hong Kong he had got all the kid-in-a-sweetshop stuff out of his system by the age of 16 and now looked for certain more refined pleasures during his night out.

One of the great myths about the west is that we are more relaxed about sex than Asians, including Indonesians. We aren't, we range between extreme puritanism and prudishness, especially in regard to prostitution (try admitting casually in the west among colleagues that you have used prostitutes) to in-yer-face exhibitionism, debauchery and crudity, which also tends to have a slightly desperate rejection of our upbringing about it. Asians have a much more relaxed attitude to sex, they know all about it and where to get it but somehow don't feel the need to talk about it non-stop in explicit detail or have their women walk around like strippers. They know the difference between marriage and prostitution and the role each has in society and are far more accepting of the concept of extra-marital sex, especially Asian women, who are no fools. They were practising sublime refinements in sex and detailing them scientifically when we were rutting unwashed on mud floors in damp drafty huts.

The idea that young westerners are having carefree, uninhibited, joyful sex as teenagers (unless perhaps you lived in Southern California circa 1970) is balderdash, even today, sex is available but it is usually pretty grim and hardly the stuff of fond middle-aged remembrance. While it is simply absurd to believe that Asians are growing up in crabbed, restrictive, sex-free, authoritarian societies with no contact with the opposite sex beyond brief glimpses of an exposed ankle once in a while.

If such stereotypes were true then why do airplane loads of supposedly sexually-liberated young (and not so young) western males descend in their hundreds of thousands to avail of the sexual services of sexually repressed Asian women? Why aren't these men able to get this sexual relief in the oh-so laid back, easy-going west?

[Rainman 2108]

It's crazy how much the price has gone up. In the past, if the rupiah devalued, I've noticed the price would raise as well. For example, back in 2001 the rupiah went from around 9000/1 to 12000/1. At that time, the girls raised their prices from 350 k to 500 k in BATS. Then that same year, Megawati replaced Gusdur as President and the exchange rate dropped from 12000/1 to around 8000/1 almost overnight. Did the girls lower their prices again due to that? No way. That's what's scary. When the rupiah strengthens again, at 1. 5 million, the price is going to be ridiculous. (It's already ridiculous if you ask me. But it is what it is.).Hi Guys, Been so many years since I am back. Actually this site is banned here in Jakarta. (Thanks to Betternet. Hehe).

Indeed the prices have gone up quite a bit over the years and I was also not in this game for a couple of years now, family commitment and living outside Jakarta city.

Regards the prices. One just have to look at the current cost of transportation and daily expenses. They are very expensive in my opinion. Food in Food court and restaurant is not far from Singapore.

I am now staying in Tangerang. There is a new bar there that operate the same as Stadium down in BSD City, called Venesia. First floor is a disco that open from 11 pm to 4 am. 2nd Floor is the SPA where the mamasan will parade the girls in nice uniform group as Tulip, Rose and forgot the last (All in is Rp600,700 and 800 depending on quality).

Also in Summarecon Area, there is a Pijit place call Rodeo. Also all in at Rp 650 k. Not bad in terms of look.

Do share more if you have any good joint there in Tangerang City. There used to be 2 pick up bar name Vino and Cheers down in Karawachi but have since closed. The girls were great and looks like working office girls. Wonder where they hang out now?

Cheers.

RM.

[Goatscrot]

A few years back a group of us western guys met up and went to Malioboro. The group consisted of several guys who were new to the Asia scene, myself and one other, a New Zealander, the same age as the rest of us but who grew up in Hong Kong. The other guys (including myself) were all doing the usual sizing up the talent, chatting up the dancing girls, throwing money away on titty dances, trying to impress the dancers with our charm, wit and personalities.

The Kiwi guy was studying the drinks list looking for a particular fine brandy he liked and asking to see what cigars were on sale. Later when we all went our ways with the pretty young things, he went off to choose a masseuse to get the best massage he could get, specifically mentioning at the desk he wasn't interested in looks but on massage skills, I should point out he expected a happy ending but regarded that simply as something that was a part of a normal, good massage (unlike in the west of course).

Afterwards of course we all took the mickey out of him but he smiled quietly and explained that having grown up in Hong Kong he had got all the kid-in-a-sweetshop stuff out of his system by the age of 16 and now looked for certain more refined pleasures during his night out.

One of the great myths about the west is that we are more relaxed about sex than Asians, including Indonesians. We aren't, we range between extreme puritanism and prudishness, especially in regard to prostitution (try admitting casually in the west among colleagues that you have used prostitutes) to in-yer-face exhibitionism, debauchery and crudity, which also tends to have a slightly desperate rejection of our upbringing about it. Asians have a much more relaxed attitude to sex, they know all about it and where to get it but somehow don't feel the need to talk about it non-stop in explicit detail or have their women walk around like strippers. They know the difference between marriage and prostitution and the role each has in society and are far more accepting of the concept of extra-marital sex, especially Asian women, who are no fools. They were practising sublime refinements in sex and detailing them scientifically when we were rutting unwashed on mud floors in damp drafty huts.

The idea that young westerners are having carefree, uninhibited, joyful sex as teenagers (unless perhaps you lived in Southern California circa 1970) is balderdash, even today, sex is available but it is usually pretty grim and hardly the stuff of fond middle-aged remembrance. While it is simply absurd to believe that Asians are growing up in crabbed, restrictive, sex-free, authoritarian societies with no contact with the opposite sex beyond brief glimpses of an exposed ankle once in a while.

If such stereotypes were true then why do airplane loads of supposedly sexually-liberated young (and not so young) western males descend in their hundreds of thousands to avail of the sexual services of sexually repressed Asian women? Why aren't these men able to get this sexual relief in the oh-so laid back, easy-going west?One of the best posts that I have read on the subject. Kudos to you.

[MasBule]

Hilo, great post and I believe it is all true.

One thing I have never really understood is one question, that I get asked frequently (non P4 P scene). Which is a little relevant to your post as it is trying to understand acceptance of sex, or extra marital relations and foreign perception.

After it is established that I live in Indoville, I am from xyz country and I am not single, the next question is always whether my partner Indo or Bule (and can I see a picture?

When I answer Bule partner, it seems all is ok. Lets move on. When can we meet, how do you like your cock sucked etc etc. I have never answered that I have 'an Indo wife' cause I don't, but I suggest the response must be somewhat different.

- Is there a sisterhood? Do they think all Bule women are oblivious to what goes on? Is it ok to cheat on a bule woman but not an Indo woman? If I had an Indo partner does the current squeeze feel they have to share the jimmy choo's? Does the Indo squeeze feel they are doing better cause they got a bule who already has a bule wife. Or opposite?

I don't really get it. What does it matter where your partner is from? Doesn't matter to me, but seems to matter ALOT to the Indo dates I seem to come across.


A few years back a group of us western guys met up and went to Malioboro. The group consisted of several guys who were new to the Asia scene, myself and one other, a New Zealander, the same age as the rest of us but who grew up in Hong Kong. The other guys (including myself) were all doing the usual sizing up the talent, chatting up the dancing girls, throwing money away on titty dances, trying to impress the dancers with our charm, wit and personalities.

The Kiwi guy was studying the drinks list looking for a particular fine brandy he liked and asking to see what cigars were on sale. Later when we all went our ways with the pretty young things, he went off to choose a masseuse to get the best massage he could get, specifically mentioning at the desk he wasn't interested in looks but on massage skills, I should point out he expected a happy ending but regarded that simply as something that was a part of a normal, good massage (unlike in the west of course).

Afterwards of course we all took the mickey out of him but he smiled quietly and explained that having grown up in Hong Kong he had got all the kid-in-a-sweetshop stuff out of his system by the age of 16 and now looked for certain more refined pleasures during his night out.

One of the great myths about the west is that we are more relaxed about sex than Asians, including Indonesians. We aren't, we range between extreme puritanism and prudishness, especially in regard to prostitution (try admitting casually in the west among colleagues that you have used prostitutes) to in-yer-face exhibitionism, debauchery and crudity, which also tends to have a slightly desperate rejection of our upbringing about it. Asians have a much more relaxed attitude to sex, they know all about it and where to get it but somehow don't feel the need to talk about it non-stop in explicit detail or have their women walk around like strippers. They know the difference between marriage and prostitution and the role each has in society and are far more accepting of the concept of extra-marital sex, especially Asian women, who are no fools. They were practising sublime refinements in sex and detailing them scientifically when we were rutting unwashed on mud floors in damp drafty huts.

The idea that young westerners are having carefree, uninhibited, joyful sex as teenagers (unless perhaps you lived in Southern California circa 1970) is balderdash, even today, sex is available but it is usually pretty grim and hardly the stuff of fond middle-aged remembrance. While it is simply absurd to believe that Asians are growing up in crabbed, restrictive, sex-free, authoritarian societies with no contact with the opposite sex beyond brief glimpses of an exposed ankle once in a while.

If such stereotypes were true then why do airplane loads of supposedly sexually-liberated young (and not so young) western males descend in their hundreds of thousands to avail of the sexual services of sexually repressed Asian women? Why aren't these men able to get this sexual relief in the oh-so laid back, easy-going west?

[Smoothy]

A few years back a group of us western guys met up and went to Malioboro. The group consisted of several guys who were new to the Asia scene, myself and one other, a New Zealander, the same age as the rest of us but who grew up in Hong Kong. The other guys (including myself) were all doing the usual sizing up the talent, chatting up the dancing girls, throwing money away on titty dances, trying to impress the dancers with our charm, wit and personalities.

The Kiwi guy was studying the drinks list looking for a particular fine brandy he liked and asking to see what cigars were on sale. Later when we all went our ways with the pretty young things, he went off to choose a masseuse to get the best massage he could get, specifically mentioning at the desk he wasn't interested in looks but on massage skills, I should point out he expected a happy ending but regarded that simply as something that was a part of a normal, good massage (unlike in the west of course).

Afterwards of course we all took the mickey out of him but he smiled quietly and explained that having grown up in Hong Kong he had got all the kid-in-a-sweetshop stuff out of his system by the age of 16 and now looked for certain more refined pleasures during his night out.

One of the great myths about the west is that we are more relaxed about sex than Asians, including Indonesians. We aren't, we range between extreme puritanism and prudishness, especially in regard to prostitution (try admitting casually in the west among colleagues that you have used prostitutes) to in-yer-face exhibitionism, debauchery and crudity, which also tends to have a slightly desperate rejection of our upbringing about it. Asians have a much more relaxed attitude to sex, they know all about it and where to get it but somehow don't feel the need to talk about it non-stop in explicit detail or have their women walk around like strippers. They know the difference between marriage and prostitution and the role each has in society and are far more accepting of the concept of extra-marital sex, especially Asian women, who are no fools. They were practising sublime refinements in sex and detailing them scientifically when we were rutting unwashed on mud floors in damp drafty huts.

The idea that young westerners are having carefree, uninhibited, joyful sex as teenagers (unless perhaps you lived in Southern California circa 1970) is balderdash, even today, sex is available but it is usually pretty grim and hardly the stuff of fond middle-aged remembrance. While it is simply absurd to believe that Asians are growing up in crabbed, restrictive, sex-free, authoritarian societies with no contact with the opposite sex beyond brief glimpses of an exposed ankle once in a while.

If such stereotypes were true then why do airplane loads of supposedly sexually-liberated young (and not so young) western males descend in their hundreds of thousands to avail of the sexual services of sexually repressed Asian women? Why aren't these men able to get this sexual relief in the oh-so laid back, easy-going west?I get the point of your post, and I very much agree. Westerners like to think they have a "carefree, uninhibited" lifestyle, but they are ignorant. And you can't tell them a damn thing because they already think they know everything based on their own fishbowl lives. Your comment on mentioning prostitution to them is spot on. I don't even mention it to anyone in the US because they don't understand it and it's a waste of time trying to explain it to them. (I think by categorizing a Westerner though, we have to stick with first world Western countries. South America is in the West, but if you go to South America, you can have a very very good time.).

But as far as that New Zealander, he got shagging hotties out of his system by the age of 16? So he had a good run from the age of 14 until 16? Come on. Hell, I've been shagging women non-stop in Southeast asia for over 16 years and I don't have it out of my system yet.

Having lived in Indonesia quite a while, there are of course times when I prefer a massage over shagging. The kid-in-a-sweetshop thrill left me years ago, but I still like sweets and would venture a guess that I always will.

[Smoothy]

When I answer Bule partner, it seems all is ok. Lets move on. When can we meet, how do you like your cock sucked etc etc. I have never answered that I have 'an Indo wife' cause I don't, but I suggest the response must be somewhat different.

- Is there a sisterhood? Do they think all Bule women are oblivious to what goes on? Is it ok to cheat on a bule woman but not an Indo woman? If I had an Indo partner does the current squeeze feel they have to share the jimmy choo's? Does the Indo squeeze feel they are doing better cause they got a bule who already has a bule wife. Or opposite?My theory on this is that they are under the impression that every guy who comes to Jakarta will eventually leave his bule wife for an Indo girl. They seem to have the mindset that once a Bule tries an Asian girl, they never want anything to do with any Bule girl again. They aren't far off.

[Marky1]

If such stereotypes were true then why do airplane loads of supposedly sexually-liberated young (and not so young) western males descend in their hundreds of thousands to avail of the sexual services of sexually repressed Asian women? Why aren't these men able to get this sexual relief in the oh-so laid back, easy-going west?Because it's cheap compared to home.

[Traveler1234]

My theory on this is that they are under the impression that every guy who comes to Jakarta will eventually leave his bule wife for an Indo girl. They seem to have the mindset that once a Bule tries an Asian girl, they never want anything to do with any Bule girl again. They aren't far off.That's true and applies not to just Indonesia. Seem it happen in China, HK, Taiwan, Thailand and Singapore. In fact when we lived abroad, my wife and I would often identify potential fellow expats who would split with the wife and marry local!

[Hilo77]

My theory on this is that they are under the impression that every guy who comes to Jakarta will eventually leave his bule wife for an Indo girl. They seem to have the mindset that once a Bule tries an Asian girl, they never want anything to do with any Bule girl again. They aren't far off.I think this may be the answer.

As someone with an Indonesian wife I too have always been asked that question but never having answered that my wife is a bule I can't say whether the reaction would be different (I must try it next time) but there is no doubt now that I think on it that the reaction I get when I say my wife is a local lass is one of ill-conceived disappointment, and I certainly never get the "how do you like your cock sucked" reaction that HardHatMate gets. I suspect that a combination of "don't mess with a sista / I could easily take a bule bloke off a bule woman" may well be the reason.

It's certainly an interesting aspect of life here I had never contemplated.

[Hilo77]

Having lived in Indonesia quite a while, there are of course times when I prefer a massage over shagging. The kid-in-a-sweetshop thrill left me years ago, but I still like sweets and would venture a guess that I always will.A very fair point.

Even if I hadn't had a typical Irish Catholic adolescence of grim, guilt-ridden gropes in the back rows of flea pit cinemas, or later drunken, unfulfilling fumbles in dirty bedrooms of damp student bedrooms I still would love shagging hot young Indonesian women.

I too hope I always will.

[Hilo77]

Because it's cheap compared to home.Are you sure?

Factor in the cost in time, money and hassle of transcontinental air travel, arranging and paying for food and hotel accommodation and the fact that you will be entertaining yourself in the upper-market end of brothels and titty bars (so cost clearly isn't your number 1 priority) and you could easily enjoy a fine time at the local cat house in your home town for a lot less hassle every other weekend.

But it's not the cost that makes you choose an Asian brothel and prostitutes over their western versions, is it?

Well, is it?

[LA Guy 5]

Are you sure?

Factor in the cost in time, money and hassle of transcontinental air travel, arranging and paying for food and hotel accommodation and the fact that you will be entertaining yourself in the upper-market end of brothels and titty bars (so cost clearly isn't your number 1 priority) and you could easily enjoy a fine time at the local cat house in your home town for a lot less hassle every other weekend.

But it's not the cost that makes you choose an Asian brothel and prostitutes over their western versions, is it?

Well, is it?Cost is part of the equation. Most of my sessions in Jakarta cost about $30 US with some getting up into the $50 to $70 range. In Bangkok a two hour session at some place like Mango or Snow White will cost around $75 US. Although I no longer partake in the United States, I am guessing that a one-hour session with something more than a crack wh**e would be $200 - $400, which would add up if one went on a f**king binge, akin to what many do in Jakarta or Bangkok. And if the choice is between taking a vacation in Asia where prostitutes are available, and taking a vacation somewhere in the United States or another non-Asian location, in either scenario one would have to pay for hotels and food, which generally would cost more in the USA, so the only real additional cost is international airfare, which is counterbalanced by the lower prices prostitutes charge, as well as the generally lower prices for food and lodging.

And, of course, many of us often go to Asia on business and don't pay for airfare, hotels, or food (like me).

But the other part of the equation is prostitution is not legal in almost all of the United States so at least for those from the US This can be a big factor. More than twenty years ago I sometimes frequented Asian massage parlors in the Los Angeles area, mostly one in particular. At one point a new district attorney took office and I knew he did not like prostitution. Accordingly, I stopped frequenting the massage parlors. Sure enough, within about two months a number of them were busted, including the one I went to often, with the customers being arrested along with the prostitutes. Depending on one's profession and marital status, such an arrest can ruin one's life. Since that time I have not seen a single prostitute in the United States. It is too risky for many of us.

Parenthetically, there is legal prostitution in certain areas of Nevada, but it generally is only for those who like to spend hundreds of dollars (if not more) for an hour of mediocre sex from a hardened prostitute. No thanks!

[Smoothy]

Cost is part of the equation. Most of my sessions in Jakarta cost about $30 US with some getting up into the $50 to $70 range. In Bangkok a two hour session at some place like Mango or Snow White will cost around $75 US. Although I no longer partake in the United States, I am guessing that a one-hour session with something more than a crack wh**e would be $200 - $400, which would add up if one went on a f**king binge, akin to what many do in Jakarta or Bangkok. And if the choice is between taking a vacation in Asia where prostitutes are available, and taking a vacation somewhere in the United States or another non-Asian location, in either scenario one would have to pay for hotels and food, which generally would cost more in the USA, so the only real additional cost is international airfare, which is counterbalanced by the lower prices prostitutes charge, as well as the generally lower prices for food and lodging.

And, of course, many of us often go to Asia on business and don't pay for airfare, hotels, or food (like me).

But the other part of the equation is prostitution is not legal in almost all of the United States so at least for those from the US This can be a big factor. More than twenty years ago I sometimes frequented Asian massage parlors in the Los Angeles area, mostly one in particular. At one point a new district attorney took office and I knew he did not like prostitution. Accordingly, I stopped frequenting the massage parlors. Sure enough, within about two months a number of them were busted, including the one I went to often, with the customers being arrested along with the prostitutes. Depending on one's profession and marital status, such an arrest can ruin one's life. Since that time I have not seen a single prostitute in the United States. It is too risky for many of us.

Parenthetically, there is legal prostitution in certain areas of Nevada, but it generally is only for those who like to spend hundreds of dollars (if not more) for an hour of mediocre sex from a hardened prostitute. No thanks!Spot on all the way around. I think the main reason is the fact that you could end up with a criminal record and have your life ruined. I wouldn't even consider having sex with a prostitute in the US. If I get caught in a raid at Hotel Maribaya in Jakarta, I pay a 1 million rupiah bribe to the police and go to Malioboro with no repercussions. If I get caught in a raid in the US, that's a big problem.

[PStevens999]

Hello Gents--my buddies and I are heading to Indonesia in September--spending 4 or 5 days in Jakarta before a dive trip. Present plan is to make the Grand Mercure Jakarta Harmoni our headquarters. Very close to Malioboro -- and a short cab ride to either CJ's or BATS-all of which we want to hit. For you Jakarta regulars, does this look like a good choice? Price is cheap enough--about $75/ night.

[LA Guy 5]

Hello Gents--my buddies and I are heading to Indonesia in September--spending 4 or 5 days in Jakarta before a dive trip. Present plan is to make the Grand Mercure Jakarta Harmoni our headquarters. Very close to Malioboro -- and a short cab ride to either CJ's or BATS-all of which we want to hit. For you Jakarta regulars, does this look like a good choice? Price is cheap enough--about $75/ night.Although I have never stayed there, I have passed by numerous times and have heard good things. From what I gather it is a good compromise between luxury and keeping one's budget under control.

As to location, it depends on where you expect to spend most of your time. It is extremely convenient to Marioboro, and reasonably convenient to the North Jakarta places including those at Penjay, Alexis, Travel, Classic and the lower-end massage places near where Stadium used to be. It is a bit of a distance from Bats, but not so much. Although with no traffic one could hit Blok M in perhaps twenty or twenty-five minutes, with traffic it could be much more. But there is no perfect location if one wants to hit all these places and unless one is planning on spending most of one's time in Blok M or at CJ's, one can't argue with the Grand Mercure Harmoni as a base of operations. .

[Smoothy]

Hello Gents--my buddies and I are heading to Indonesia in September--spending 4 or 5 days in Jakarta before a dive trip. Present plan is to make the Grand Mercure Jakarta Harmoni our headquarters. Very close to Malioboro -- and a short cab ride to either CJ's or BATS-all of which we want to hit. For you Jakarta regulars, does this look like a good choice? Price is cheap enough--about $75/ night.Nothing wrong with that hotel. If you are looking to spend a lot of time at Malioboro, it's fantastic (Malioboro gets going at 3 pm). It's not like Mercure is one of the hotels that pops to the top of the list of a hotel search on the various sites, so my guess is that you already have read on this forum about that hotel or you wouldn't be mentioning it. It's a good hotel with a good price. The rooms are about 30 square meters, so they aren't big but not too small, and they are clean and fairly new condition. I find it strange how there are hundreds of hotels in Jakarta, but that one particular hotel gets mentioned over and over on this forum (in the Hotel section of this forum, not the Jakarta section). I'm guessing that is mainly because there are a lot of Malaysians on this site. Not that it matters, but that hotel has mostly Malayasians, Singaporeans and Indonesians staying there. It's a decent hotel, but it's actually in a crap area as far as it's a dirty, heavy traffic area. It's strategically located for sex at Malioboro or some of the other brothels in North Jakarta like Travel or Classic (on their hotel map, they specifically mention that they are right next to Malioboro spa. I find that hilarious, and as far as I know, they are the only hotel in town that even has Malioboro as a landmark at all so obviously one of the main reasons people stay there is to go to Malioboro). If you go to CJs or BATS, that will be at night after the traffic is over with, so going to those places is not an issue, you can get there quickly regardless of where you stay in the city.

I personally enjoy staying more central in a nicer area than North Jakarta. I normally stay at the JW Marriott, but if sticking below $100 a night, there are still many choices. For example, Puri Casablanca Suites Serviced Apartments are only about $75 a night for a 94 square meter 2 bedroom apartment on agoda.com. 2 of you can stay easily in one apartment as you have your own bedrooms and can have sex parties swapping girls back and forth. You can walk across the street to Mal Ambassador (the place the locals go to buy cheap clothes as well as pirate dvd's and local food) and the other new nice shopping mall next to it that has western restaurants like Outback Steakhouse. Also there is another new mall next door to those apartments, I forget the name, but it's a great place with many restaurants. You are also within walking distance of Loewy, and that is the most popular restaurant in town for party chicks to have dinner and drinks. Some of the same girls from Bats and Cjs will be there. It's about 10 minutes to Bats, and maybe 30 minutes to Cjs. It can be between a half hour and 1 hour to get to Malioboro though depending on the time you go (traffic going anywhere during the day is horrible). It's also just down the road from Fortune massage when you can get an actual massage followed by full sex if you negotiate that with the girl in the room.

Hotel Manhattan is across the road from Puri Casabalanca and it's also a good choice for about the same price. Same advantages and drawbacks as Puri, but the rooms are only 30 square meters.

If you stay at Mercure, that will be great. It just depends on whether you want to spend all of your time during the day in the North Jakarta brothels or if you want to spend some time during the day in the shopping malls and restaurants.

[Undercoverh]

As I read some of these recent post regarding P4 P in the west, I wonder which west are the guys here talking about. I think it is important to state which specific country you are referring to. Since this is an American website, when guys state the west, I think of America.

I assume guys are not referring to USA, because no one in their right mind would attempt to compare the P4P situation in America to Indo. Simply stated, in USA, it not legal to pay for sex. With the exception of a small city near Las Vegas, which has old overpriced working girls.

Try paying for sex in Los Angeles, with the vice cops on the lookout. Several well know actors over the years got busted getting bjs in their car, and their name was headline news in USA. One city even post the pictures of regular men busted paying for sex. There is no comparison, none, between the P4 P action in Asian and USA.

America has tons of sexually repressed men, that is why plane loads of men from USA come to Asia. Are plane loads of Asian male sex tourist flying from Asia to USA, of course not.

Yes, there are sex outlets, street hookers, etc., in USA. But, if you try it, you take the chance of going to jail. In Indo, walk into a major MP, Spa, e.g., Alexis, Classic, etc., pick your girl, pay your money and no problems from cops. Thus, no comparison. Also, where in USA can you find a location of 50 to 75 girls that are 18 to 23 of age, no where. But in Jakarta, several MP, Spas have it. Again, no comparison between USA and Indo.

[LA Guy 5]

As I read some of these recent post regarding P4 P in the west, I wonder which west are the guys here talking about. I think it is important to state which specific country you are referring to. Since this is an American website, when guys state the west, I think of America.

I assume guys are not referring to USA, because no one in their right mind would attempt to compare the P4P situation in America to Indo. Simply stated, in USA, it not legal to pay for sex. With the exception of a small city near Las Vegas, which has old overpriced working girls.

Try paying for sex in Los Angeles, with the vice cops on the lookout. Several well know actors over the years got busted getting bjs in their car, and their name was headline news in USA. One city even post the pictures of regular men busted paying for sex. There is no comparison, none, between the P4 P action in Asian and USA.

America has tons of sexually repressed men, that is why plane loads of men from USA come to Asia. Are plane loads of Asian male sex tourist flying from Asia to USA, of course not.

Yes, there are sex outlets, street hookers, etc., in USA. But, if you try it, you take the chance of going to jail. In Indo, walk into a major MP, Spa, e.g., Alexis, Classic, etc., pick your girl, pay your money and no problems from cops. Thus, no comparison. Also, where in USA can you find a location of 50 to 75 girls that are 18 to 23 of age, no where. But in Jakarta, several MP, Spas have it. Again, no comparison between USA and Indo.Actually, there are a few counties in Nevada where P4 P is available legally, not just in a small city near Las Vegas. But none of it is good. In fact, HBO had a series that was basically a reality TV show that took place in a brothel in Carson City. I believe it is still available on HBO on demand and is titled "Cathouse. ".

Perhaps interestingly, one of the girls who made a brief appearance on that show was someone I met at a festa in Rio where the men were sharing the girls (we all contributed to a common pot to pay for the girls fixed fees for the day). She was basically there to receive some training on the P4 P scene and to get comfortable with it through her participation at the festa. I later heard she was for a time the top earner at the brothel featured on the HBO series. But I must confess, even when she was green and trying to learn the ropes I was totally uninterested in having anything to do with her based on her "American girl obnoxious personality," which was intolerable to me. At that festa I had sex with four Brazilian girls, and there were others I would have considered had we not run out of time. But there is no way I would have wanted to put my dick in the American girl who nevertheless was destined to become a star at a Nevada brothel.

No, I'll take the Asian P4P girls over the American ones.

Also, you seem to have missed Smoothy and my earlier posts on the subject of P4 P in the US which basically said the same thing you posted, and specifically referred to the United States.

[Hilo77]

It's not just the United States gentlemen, in Sweden and I think several other European countries it is now a criminal act to pay a woman for sex, note; the law has swung from arresting the prostitute to arresting the john. A similar law is under consideration in Ireland if I am not wrong.

The west, which for so long prided itself in saying that what consenting adults do in their own bedroom was no concern of the state has now decided that in fact policemen do have the right to pry into the sexual activities of consenting adults and destroy their lives if they find something the state doesn't approve of. Needless to say if any poor western bloke decides he would like a bit of cop-free nookie with a consenting adult in a somewhat more liberal society overseas he better take very good care about photocopying ID's because of course if the law suspects his choice of partner might not have reached 18 then he's going to chokey.

And yet some people will still insist that Asians are more repressed and conservative about sexual matters than us wonderfully enlightened westerners.

[IllusionHeart]

Hello Gents--my buddies and I are heading to Indonesia in September--spending 4 or 5 days in Jakarta before a dive trip. Present plan is to make the Grand Mercure Jakarta Harmoni our headquarters. Very close to Malioboro -- and a short cab ride to either CJ's or BATS-all of which we want to hit. For you Jakarta regulars, does this look like a good choice? Price is cheap enough--about $75/ night.IMHO if you are staying purely for mongering purposes then Mercure Kota is a better option. The Hotel is completely geared to handle all your nocturnal activities. Its also close to Harmoni (Malioboro) barely a 10 minute walk. I enjoyed my recent stay there and will definitely stay again if I return to Jakarta.

[LA Guy 5]

IMHO if you are staying purely for mongering purposes then Mercure Kota is a better option. The Hotel is completely geared to handle all your nocturnal activities. Its also close to Harmoni (Malioboro) barely a 10 minute walk. I enjoyed my recent stay there and will definitely stay again if I return to Jakarta.Out of curiosity, have you stayed at both Mercures? I haven't, but am under the impression the Grand Mercure Harmoni is in better condition and likely has better and more comfortable rooms. Given they are so close to each other, I'm not sure what your recommendation of the Mercure Kota over the Mercure Harmoni is based on. But let us know as I'm not saying your recommendation of Kota over Harmoni is wrong, just that your post doesn't give enough information to evaluate the basis for it.

[PStevens999]

Yes we are going to Jakarta purely for mongering. There are three of us so I initially was just thinking of three separate rooms--and since we arrive in Jakarta early afternoon after a long flight from the US, being close to Malioboro made some sense. But Smoothy's suggestion of a 2 BR suite, got me thinking. Have any of you guys ever tried Airbnb? There are some nice looking condos available in the $300/ night range. Only issue would be are they girl friendly. Our preference is to mostly go to CJ's and BATS and bring FL back to the room. Anyway, thanks for all of the good advice.

[Member #4698]

I just checked out the Mercure Kota on Agoda. The hotel looks real good, BUT I am a little suspicious because the rate quoted - $28 for a deluxe room and $32 for executive room seems very low to me. Usually when something is too good to be true something is wrong, for example, is there any noisy construction / remodeling going on inside the hotel. So has anybody stayed at this hotel recently and paid these unusually low rates? It just seems like a really really good deal for a nice 3. 5 star hotel. Is it too good is all I am asking.

[Smoothy]

Yes we are going to Jakarta purely for mongering. There are three of us so I initially was just thinking of three separate rooms--and since we arrive in Jakarta early afternoon after a long flight from the US, being close to Malioboro made some sense. But Smoothy's suggestion of a 2 BR suite, got me thinking. Have any of you guys ever tried Airbnb? There are some nice looking condos available in the $300/ night range. Only issue would be are they girl friendly. Our preference is to mostly go to CJ's and BATS and bring FL back to the room. Anyway, thanks for all of the good advice.Sorry, my mistake. It's not Puri Casablanca that I recommend, it's Somerset Grand Citra Jakarta. Puri Casablanca is ok too and cheaper and also near a mall, but Somerset Grand is the one near Mal Ambassador and I like it better. Puri Casablanca is down the road. You can get a 160 square meter (this is large) 3 bedroom apartment at Somerset Grand for about $200 a night. Almost every place in Jakarta is girl friendly. If you found a very nice condo for $300 a night, that would be cool depending on how many bedrooms and location. A few of us guys stayed at a place called Penthouse Grand Tropic Suites once for a party. It cost about $250 a night, but the place was huge (over 500 square meters). However, it's in Grogol which is almost near the airport so it's a long trip anywhere. It works well when you have the girls arranged to meet you there though.

Mercure can work too though (any hotel can work. Haha), but if you are looking for daytime shagging in the North Jakarta brothels, Mercure is a really good choice due to traffic.

[PStevens999]

Natty Bumpo-where did you stay on your recent trip to Jakarta?

[Golfinho]

Mercure can work too though (any hotel can work. Haha), but if you are looking for daytime shagging in the North Jakarta brothels, Mercure is a really good choice due to traffic.Mercure Harmoni newer (and better) than their other one up the street. More modern and nice gym. Across the street, old mall, with some retail / meal convenience. And close to the action.

[LA Guy 5]

I just checked out the Mercure Kota on Agoda. The hotel looks real good, BUT I am a little suspicious because the rate quoted - $28 for a deluxe room and $32 for executive room seems very low to me. Usually when something is too good to be true something is wrong, for example, is there any noisy construction / remodeling going on inside the hotel. So has anybody stayed at this hotel recently and paid these unusually low rates? It just seems like a really really good deal for a nice 3. 5 star hotel. Is it too good is all I am asking.That does seem a bit low for that hotel; the rates tend to be in the $40 to $60 range based on the few times I checked them. Is it possible you looked at rates during Ramadan (now in progress) and that because of the holiday the rates are lower than normal?

[Member #4698]

PStevens-

I stayed for 6 nights at the Morrissey upon my arrival in Asia. I booked the loft room which is a 2 story 48 sq meter 1 bedroom suite for $115 before taxes. I liked the hotel. The room was comfortable and clean. The pool was small, but then I was the only guest who made use of it. Breakfast was free and ok. The hotel was friendly and upbeat. The central location was very good in that there were a lot of Indonesian and western restaurants nearby and the big Plaza Indonesia was easy walking distance. Marioboro was a short taxi ride away at 8 pm. Later on at night there was no problem taking a taxi to CJ's, my new favorite international 5* hotel FL bar.

I stayed at the Intercontinental upon my return to Jakarta 7 weeks later. The Intercontinental is a very good hotel. There is no comparison of its quality or standard to that of the Moririssey. I stayed for free using my Priority Club vouchers and accumulated points. I liked the Intercontinental for its quality and appointments, the large swimming pool, and it's excellent restaurant. Huge buffet breakfasts were part of my free voucher package. They killed. The staff was very friendly. It is also very convenient for CJ's and Bats and the girls liked being brought back to elegance. 555. I prefer CJ's by the way.

On my last night in town, I didn't feel like going out because I had a very early flight in the morning back to the USA and my foot was killing me. Somehow a small rock splinter had become lodged under my toenail while I was playing around in Palawan. I was bathing the toe in hydrogen peroxide to keep the infection down to a minimum until I got back home, but my toe hurt. So I had my last meal in Asia in the executive lounge of the Intercontinental for free. The chef prepared freshly made Nasi Goreng with chicken which I devoured along with many tasty complimentary appetizers and a couple glasses of Chianti. I believe the rate at this hotel is normally between $140 and $160.

I have not decided where I will stay on my next visit. I am planning to spend 2 weeks in Jakarta this next time because I really like the girls here. Approximately half my time will be spent at the spas and brothels in the north and the other half of my time will be spent hanging out with FL's from CJ's and Bats and possibly the Blok M bars.

So I wouldn't mind staying at the Morrissey again if the price was right. I like the hotel and its location. I also like the idea of staying at the Grand Mercure Jakarta Harmoni. A friend highly recommends the Harmoni. I should note that he loves Malio Club and Malioboro and some of the other clubs and spas in that approximate area. Hey, so do I!

I will also have more points and vouchers so I expect to spend another 3 or 4 days gratis at the Intercontinental. And I have a lot of accumulated Marriott points as well. The problem is I really do not like the Jakarta Marriott as much as the Intercontinental. Room for room they are about equal. The Marriott may even have larger rooms, but I hate the location of the Marriott and they have a small pool. So I will probably split my Jakarta visit in two and stay the first part at either the Morrissey or Harmoni and then move up to the Intercontinental or Marriott, stay for free, and enjoy the FL bar scene in the south.

[Member #4698]

That does seem a bit low for that hotel; the rates tend to be in the $40 to $60 range based on the few times I checked them. Is it possible you looked at rates during Ramadan (now in progress) and that because of the holiday the rates are lower than normal?Nope, I was looking at rates in September / October and March 2016. Superior room $28.80 and Executive Deluxe Room $36.60. It looks like a great deal, but I am wary of it. It seems too good.

Update: I have just been informed privately by a board member so I will not mention his name, that some heavy construction was going on behind this hotel recently. This may be the reason for the low rates. Hotel management knowing there is a temporary problem will cut the price of their rooms to increase the demand. If this is the reason for the bargain rates at the Mercure then it is still a very good deal if you don't mind construction noise and plan to get up early. I stayed one time at the Fraser Hotel in BKK while construction was going on across the street. The rate was very cheap and the noise was not too bad although the construction workers always woke me up at 8am. The construction noise impacted the ambiance by the Fraser pool too.

[Fast Eddie 48]

I just checked out the Mercure Kota on Agoda. The hotel looks real good, BUT I am a little suspicious because the rate quoted - $28 for a deluxe room and $32 for executive room seems very low to me. Usually when something is too good to be true something is wrong, for example, is there any noisy construction / remodeling going on inside the hotel. So has anybody stayed at this hotel recently and paid these unusually low rates? It just seems like a really really good deal for a nice 3. 5 star hotel. Is it too good is all I am asking.To Natty.

I stay there in March book by my customer it cost 48 usd a night if you can get a room there for 28 usd you better jump on it, I stay at this hotel many time the last 10 yr never see it that low before.

Fast eddie 48.

[PStevens999]

Natty Bumpo-thanks for that detailed info. I just booked on Agoda a 3 BR at Aryaduta Semanggi in late September for $147.72/ night (with taxes) --not bad split three ways. Rather large 135 square meters. Decided on that place because I really want to spend most of my time at CJ's and / or BATS. We will have a Wednesday night at CJ's and then the weekend. I am so looking forward to this visit to Jakarta--first time.

[Member #4698]

Natty Bumpo-thanks for that detailed info. I just booked on Agoda a 3 BR at Aryaduta Semanggi in late September for $147.72/ night (with taxes) --not bad split three ways. Rather large 135 square meters. Decided on that place because I really want to spend most of my time at CJ's and / or BATS. We will have a Wednesday night at CJ's and then the weekend. I am so looking forward to this visit to Jakarta--first time.I know you are going to have a great time in Jakarta. This town currently has the hottest girly scene in Asia. CJ's on Wednesday night is amazing! So many hot girls looking for guys. I love it. But while you are in Jakarta be sure to visit Malioboro at least once. That place rocks too. I love the dancers there.

[Smoothy]

Natty Bumpo-thanks for that detailed info. I just booked on Agoda a 3 BR at Aryaduta Semanggi in late September for $147.72/ night (with taxes) --not bad split three ways. Rather large 135 square meters. Decided on that place because I really want to spend most of my time at CJ's and / or BATS. We will have a Wednesday night at CJ's and then the weekend. I am so looking forward to this visit to Jakarta--first time.I used to live at those Aryaduta apartments. You are right next to Atma Jaya University there. Maybe you can pick up some University chicks! You can also walk to Plaza Semanggi Mall, that is a place where it is possible to pick up girls. Vertigo disco was in Plaza Semanggi and I have met girls there many times, but I think it may be closed now. They may have opened another disco there by now. The Crowne Plaza disco around the corner called Stingray has a small selection of girls as well and is ok on certain nights. Dragon Fly disco is just down the road and the girls there are hot, but many of them are not prostitutes. It's very easy to get to BATS, CJs and Blok M from there, but you are fairly far from North Jakarta. It will take you an hour to get to Malioboro, maybe 2 hours during rush hour. All that being said, sticking to Bats and CJs is always safe...

[PStevens999]

Thanks Smoothy. I think we will make a run to Malioboro one mid-afternoon--and and then hit Malio late into the evening --by then traffic should have died down a bit. Looks like a straight shot up Jenderal Sudirman to Malioboro--but it must be stop and go the whole way.

[Smoothy]

Another place that can be booked with multiple bedrooms that is close to that same area is Batavia Apartments. I believe you can book the 3 bedroom apartment for about $100 or the 200 square meter penthouse there for about $150 a night.

[IllusionHeart]

Out of curiosity, have you stayed at both Mercures? I haven't, but am under the impression the Grand Mercure Harmoni is in better condition and likely has better and more comfortable rooms. Given they are so close to each other, I'm not sure what your recommendation of the Mercure Kota over the Mercure Harmoni is based on. But let us know as I'm not saying your recommendation of Kota over Harmoni is wrong, just that your post doesn't give enough information to evaluate the basis for it.LA guy, you are right. My recommendation is not comparative as I have stayed only at the kota property. When I was booking I got a better rate then Harmoni and this hotel was a decent green property which I found so during my 5 days. I did not speak about the room as I had booked the executive room, need little more space then the usual cramped room. All said the staff at the hotel is extremely courteous. Get blue bird taxi from the hotel, the night staff know all the usual entertainment joints hence no hassle of figuring it out especially for a newbie like me. Women to room is no problem.

Forex across the road. All America fast food joints within walking distance. These are few of the reasons I suggested this hotel. It is not that Harmoni or any other hotel is not good.

[LA Guy 5]

LA guy, you are right. My recommendation is not comparative as I have stayed only at the kota property. When I was booking I got a better rate then Harmoni and this hotel was a decent green property which I found so during my 5 days. I did not speak about the room as I had booked the executive room, need little more space then the usual cramped room. All said the staff at the hotel is extremely courteous. Get blue bird taxi from the hotel, the night staff know all the usual entertainment joints hence no hassle of figuring it out especially for a newbie like me. Women to room is no problem.

Forex across the road. All America fast food joints within walking distance. These are few of the reasons I suggested this hotel. It is not that Harmoni or any other hotel is not good.Well, I suppose one argument would be (and I'm being facetious) Mercure Kota = Burger King + Pizza Hut + Starbucks; Grand Mercure Harmoni = Dunkin Donuts. Mercure Kota wins that one.

Actually, I slightly prefer the location of the Mercure Kota because it is closer to Penjay, Lokasari Plaza, and that shopping mall across from the Burger King. I don't frequent Malioboro or Classic that much so closer access to them (I. E. , Mercure Harmoni) would not be much of a plus for me, but for a Malioboro addict, it clearly would be. However, it seems Mercure Harmoni is a bit more comfortable just based on its appearance and the fact it was just built (Mercure Kota, where I have had lunch once, seems a bit old unless it has been renovated recently). But both are reasonable choices unless someone prefers more expensive hotels.

[LA Guy 5]

Thanks Smoothy. I think we will make a run to Malioboro one mid-afternoon--and and then hit Malio late into the evening --by then traffic should have died down a bit. Looks like a straight shot up Jenderal Sudirman to Malioboro--but it must be stop and go the whole way.Malioboro and Malio bar are next to each other, and I understand (although haven't done it) it is possible to go from one to the other without going outside. So you can kind of consider it one trip that begins late afternoon (I wouldn't show up earlier) and continues through the night. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

[Member #4385]

Yes its correct, you may go from Malioboro to Malio bar trough a corridor located at 3th or 4th floor. The guards know where it is.

Wamena


Malioboro and Malio bar are next to each other, and I understand (although haven't done it) it is possible to go from one to the other without going outside. So you can kind of consider it one trip that begins late afternoon (I wouldn't show up earlier) and continues through the night. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

[IllusionHeart]

Malioboro and Malio bar are next to each other, and I understand (although haven't done it) it is possible to go from one to the other without going outside. So you can kind of consider it one trip that begins late afternoon (I wouldn't show up earlier) and continues through the night. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.Malio club is inside Malioboro. Access is slightly funny though. You have to get inside Malioboro, collect token from the counter then take the lift upto the top floor then walk across the hallway. They check your token here and once you pass the security guys you take the lift down from the end of the hallway. On the ground floor is the malio club. Hence if someone dosent know about the club he would never reach there.

Domino's is also besides Burger king. Then there is also a KFC. I am sure because I ate only fast food for 5 days. Didn't bother to try the local fare.

The kota property is not renovated but dosent show too many signs of ageing. Beds are comfy, sheets are clearly. I was on a smoking floor hence there was some stench but since I am a smoker myself didn't matter much.

[LA Guy 5]

Malio club is inside Malioboro. Access is slightly funny though. You have to get inside Malioboro, collect token from the counter then take the lift upto the top floor then walk across the hallway. They check your token here and once you pass the security guys you take the lift down from the end of the hallway. On the ground floor is the malio club. Hence if someone dosent know about the club he would never reach there.

Domino's is also besides Burger king. Then there is also a KFC. I am sure because I ate only fast food for 5 days. Didn't bother to try the local fare.

The kota property is not renovated but dosent show too many signs of ageing. Beds are comfy, sheets are clearly. I was on a smoking floor hence there was some stench but since I am a smoker myself didn't matter much.You are correct about Domino's; I got it confused with a Pizza Hut although I believe there also is one of those maybe a block or so north of the Mercure Kota.

[MasBule]

Or just walk in from the street, straight along the driveway, past the water truck that seems to always be there pumping shit out and the main entry door is on the right. No need to go into Malioboro.


Malio club is inside Malioboro. Access is slightly funny though. You have to get inside Malioboro, collect token from the counter then take the lift upto the top floor then walk across the hallway. They check your token here and once you pass the security guys you take the lift down from the end of the hallway. On the ground floor is the malio club. Hence if someone dosent know about the club he would never reach there.

[Undercoverh]

I just checked out the Mercure Kota on Agoda. The hotel looks real good, BUT I am a little suspicious because the rate quoted - $28 for a deluxe room and $32 for executive room seems very low to me. Usually when something is too good to be true something is wrong, for example, is there any noisy construction / remodeling going on inside the hotel. So has anybody stayed at this hotel recently and paid these unusually low rates? It just seems like a really really good deal for a nice 3. 5 star hotel. Is it too good is all I am asking.I have used Agoda for the past 7 years and never had a problem. However, most of the discounted very low rates are nonrefundable. Agoda will send you an email with your voucher. You can also call the hotel to confirm the rate based on the voucher number. I have used the discount nonrefundable rates when I booked online the day before I arrive. That way I know I will be going to the hotel and nonrefundable is not an issue. I am in Bkk so I also book discounted rates for air and hotel to other Asian cities close by. That is the great thing about being in Asian, there is always some discount on air and flight which makes a weekend of sex fun very easy in another country.

[Undercoverh]

I just checked out the Mercure Kota on Agoda. The hotel looks real good, BUT I am a little suspicious because the rate quoted - $28 for a deluxe room and $32 for executive room seems very low to me. Usually when something is too good to be true something is wrong, for example, is there any noisy construction / remodeling going on inside the hotel. So has anybody stayed at this hotel recently and paid these unusually low rates? It just seems like a really really good deal for a nice 3. 5 star hotel. Is it too good is all I am asking.I have used Agoda for the past 7 years and never had a problem. However, most of the discounted very low rates are nonrefundable. Agoda will send you an email with your voucher. You can also call the hotel to confirm the rate based on the voucher number. I have used the discount nonrefundable rates when I booked online the day before I arrive. That way I know I will be going to the hotel and nonrefundable is not an issue. I am in Bkk so I also book discounted rates for air and hotel to other Asian cities close by. That is the great thing about being in Asian, there is always some discount on air and flight which makes a weekend of sex fun very easy in another country.

[Member #4537]

The Blok is definitely not what it was when I first started going several years ago.

In the past it used to be half old hags and a few teen amateurs especially on weekends, but now it's just total hags everywhere. Top Gun, the's Place and even My Bar. Anyone notice the same thing?

I think the younger ones moved on to CJ and BATS, because I saw familiar faces there. Anyway, that's good news for us because it increases supply making it even harder than it is already for the average girl to hook up. I have been getting 1 juta ST at CJ's and BATS the last few times without much challenge, which wasn't the case when it used to be emptier.

[Lost99]

The Blok is definitely not what it was when I first started going several years ago.

In the past it used to be half old hags and a few teen amateurs especially on weekends, but now it's just total hags everywhere. Top Gun, the's Place and even My Bar. Anyone notice the same thing?

I think the younger ones moved on to CJ and BATS, because I saw familiar faces there. Anyway, that's good news for us because it increases supply making it even harder than it is already for the average girl to hook up. I have been getting 1 juta ST at CJ's and BATS the last few times without much challenge, which wasn't the case when it used to be emptier.

If Blok M was ever in fact "charming", well I certainly never witnessed that during my short visit to the Area over a year ago. Sure, the band at Top Gun was entertaining, but in terms of ladies not much more than those past their prime. I could see the appeal for American / European Expats who just want a laid-back drinking hole with a bit of 'sinister' temptation and fun on the side, but if your primary motivation is to seek fresh young chicks, instead of old worn hens, you are best served looking elsewhere like CJs or BATS. Even at those places, there aren't many "chicks", most likely mature "chickens", but better than the old "hens" of Blok M.

[Smoothy]

If Blok M was ever in fact "charming", well I certainly never witnessed that during my short visit to the Area over a year ago.Yes, if you only had a short visit just over a year ago, you probably wouldn't know. But the Blok was THE place to be in Jakarta in the past. The Blok used to rock. Top Gun is still good on occasion.

[Traveler1234]

Yes, if you only had a short visit just over a year ago, you probably wouldn't know. But the Blok was THE place to be in Jakarta in the past. The Blok used to rock. Top Gun is still good on occasion.As far back as early '90's, LOL!

[Smoothy]

As far back as early '90's, LOL!I'm sure the early 90's were great, but that's before my time. I first arrived in town in 1998 and the Blok was absolutely the best place in Jakarta at that time and remained so until My Bar changed the Blok. But the Blok has had it's good periods and down periods since then. My Bar is crap, but I still love Top Gun, and D's is a great place to hang out.

[Undercoverh]

Got bored with the BKK same old stuff, needed to get out of town for the weekend. Found a cheap flight from BKK to Jakarta. Booked a discounted hotel rate at a hotel next door to Hotel Classic (called G7 Hotel on agoda website). Left BKK after work on Friday night and returned to Bkk late Sunday night.

By-the-way, checkout a good hiden video on you tube entitled "Striptiest Hotel Classic Jakarta" which takes a look inside Classic Hotel and shows lots of girls. One of the first girls shown (as she is walking back to her seat) has a cute perfect little ass in her short dress.

On Saturday, went to Hotel Classic and was thrown off by the overwhelming number of girls. I quickly counted at least 70 girls. WTF! I walked up to get a closer look and for the first time, in a long time, I felt a little nervous having so many young girls looking at me. It was a crazy fun time of being nervous. I could not help but smile and many of the girls which most all of them returned the smile. Mama was pushy, but that does not affect me. I deal with pushy Asians all the time in busines, so no big deal, I know how to handle them.

I took my time, and made my selection. I picked an 18 year old girl, not the most cute there, but she gave me the biggest smiles, like she really wanted me to F her. To clarify, she was not the most cute there, but she was still attractive to me. I liked her nice round ass, long hair, sexy eyes, nice size breast and happy attitude. When she took off her clothes, her as was perfect round and sexy. I got hard just looking at her taking off her clothes. Nice big brown nipples on a medium size breast. Had a good time with her. She and I got along well and we were both playful with each other. BBBJ, touched as I pleased which was softly, light kissing but not tongue kissing as I do not like that with a hooker. Since you get one shot for up to an hour, I took my time banging her in serveral positons. Her pussy was nice, wet, and tight. I shot my load, and we rested for a while, then showered. Sweet girl with good service to me, so I gave her 100 IDR. She was very happy with the tip and gave me a kiss and hug.

Side note: I had seen a Western guy there, dressed in flip flops, tea shirt, and cargo shorts, and the tea shirt was a little dirty. I thought back to some of the post here from guys stating the girls at HC did not give them good service. Or, it was not a GFE. Do not get me wrong, I am not putting any guy down. But from the girls POV, maybe there is not a GFE or not good service because the guys does not present himself well (e. G. , body odor, dirty clothes, etc.). Yes, they are hookers, but still they are young women, and of course they will not be turned on having to bang a guy that has body odor and dirty clothes.

There is a misconception that hookers should provide good service and GFE no matter what type of guy they have to bang. That is of course unrealistic. Yes, they are required to bang the guy mama sayes to bang, but that does not mean the girl has to enjoy it or provide a GFE. As for me, when I go to the MP or SPAs, Hotel Classic, etc. , I dress nice, genearlly in busines shoes, tailor made business slacks and shirt. Clean shaven with nice cologne. Now, I am not suggesting that all men do this, do what you like. As for me, this is how I present myself. And, I am happy and a nice guy with the girls in additon to being playful and not demanding. Maybe this is why my experience at places like Hotel Classic has been good.

Cost with the girl was 350 IDR. That is somehting like $27. Plus tip, which is up to you and not required. Wow, for $27 and 70 girls to choose from, most around 18 to 22, what a deal. On youtube, some guy took an hidden video inside Hotel Classic. To view the video, type in "Striptiest Hotel Classic Jakarta" and you will see the large number of young women. Also, in my opnion, the girls at $27 with killer bodies and shape, are far above what I could find at the same price in BKK. Since I was there for the weekend, I banged two the first day. One in the early evening and another late at night around 1 am.

Here is the floor information.

Basement, looks like the spa is there.

1st floor, massage referred to as Bunker

2nd floor, Classic Terminal, sexy dancers

3rd floor, Karaoke room

5th floor, Classic Terminal II, big area with girls.

This is based on my notes and it should be mostly correct, but not perfect.


Disclaimer:

The information provided is based on my opinions and my experinces at the Hotel Classic. Which does not mean you will have the exact same experience, or that you have had the same experince in the past at Hotel Classic. For whatever reason, some men do not like HC and some men enjoy it. I happen to be in the group that has had a good time with the girls at Hotel Classic.

[LA Guy 5]

Side note: I had seen a Western guy there, dressed in flip flops, tea shirt, and cargo shorts, and the tea shirt was a little dirty. I thought back to some of the post here from guys stating the girls at HC did not give them good service. Or, it was not a GFE. Do not get me wrong, I am not putting any guy down. But from the girls POV, maybe there is not a GFE or not good service because the guys does not present himself well (e. G. , body odor, dirty clothes, etc.). Yes, they are hookers, but still they are young women, and of course they will not be turned on having to bang a guy that has body odor and dirty clothes.

There is a misconception that hookers should provide good service and GFE no matter what type of guy they have to bang. That is of course unrealistic. C'mon buddy, get real. Just because you saw one westerner with a dirty t-shirt doesn't mean that those of us who get much better service at other locales in Jakarta than Classic are getting poor service there because we go there in dirty t-shirts and are better dressed when we get the better service elsewhere. I, for one, always wear long pants and usually have a shirt with a collar on when I go to any of these places. The worst service I have had in Jakarta is at Classic and Travel.

Of course, if one doesn't, e.g., partake in DFK then that the girls at Classic generally don't give it whereas at many other locales they do wouldn't affect one's judgment of the level of service at Classic relative to the other places. But don't confuse the fact you may have lower standards for service than many of the rest of us here do for some sort of superior studliness on your part.

[Smoothy]

Cost with the girl was 350 IDR. That is somehting like $27. Plus tip, which is up to you and not required. Wow, for $27 and 70 girls to choose from, most around 18 to 22, what a deal. After tip, it's equivalent to 1000 baht. Considering your discount flight from Bangkok will still cost around 8,000 baht, you could have had a very good time that weekend in Bangkok for the over 10,000 baht you spent.

The $35 (I don't consider $27 to be accurate because you still have to tip. Tip is required, it is not "not required" unless the girl was a complete disaster or you are unethical) they charge at Classic seems like an awesome bargain. 2 girls at once appears to even be more of a bargain (it's not due to even worse service). As it's been stated many times over the last 10 years or so on this forum, the girls there are young and nice looking. The service is normally starfish with no passion 95% of the time. I can't say that I don't enjoy that myself as well at times, cheap and young even if the girl gives a lazy blow job then just lays there is still ok. Then other times, I prefer hot, passionate sex at places other than Classic. And yes, that is normally with a girl not quite as young, but not always. It just depends what you are looking for.

Variety is the spice of life. We all get bored of the place we live, so I can understand why you would want to sample new girls. I've lived in both Jakarta and Bangkok and I do prefer Bangkok a bit more for mongering (the girls are naughtier), but Jakarta is great too.

As far as wearing flip flops, I don't even own a pair of flip flops. I do wear tennis shoes and jeans at times, but I'm always well maintained. If I am going after work I wear dress shoes, slacks, dress shirt (very rarely a jacket or tie). I've not seen a difference in the quality of service I get regardless of how I dress. But I do agree that if guys go in there dirty (bule jaksa), they may get worse service.

[Undercoverh]

After tip, it's equivalent to 1000 baht. Considering your discount flight from Bangkok will still cost around 8,000 baht, you could have had a very good time that weekend in Bangkok for the over 10,000 baht you spent.

The $35 (I don't consider $27 to be accurate because you still have to tip. Tip is required, it is not "not required" unless the girl was a complete disaster or you are unethical) they charge at Classic seems like an awesome bargain. 2 girls at once appears to even be more of a bargain (it's not due to even worse service). As it's been stated many times over the last 10 years or so on this forum, the girls there are young and nice looking. The service is normally starfish with no passion 95% of the time. I can't say that I don't enjoy that myself as well at times, cheap and young even if the girl gives a lazy blow job then just lays there is still ok. Then other times, I prefer hot, passionate sex at places other than Classic. And yes, that is normally with a girl not quite as young, but not always. It just depends what you are looking for.

Variety is the spice of life. We all get bored of the place we live, so I can understand why you would want to sample new girls. I've lived in both Jakarta and Bangkok and I do prefer Bangkok a bit more for mongering (the girls are naughtier), but Jakarta is great too.

As far as wearing flip flops, I don't even own a pair of flip flops. I do wear tennis shoes and jeans at times, but I'm always well maintained. If I am going after work I wear dress shoes, slacks, dress shirt (very rarely a jacket or tie). I've not seen a difference in the quality of service I get regardless of how I dress. But I do agree that if guys go in there dirty (bule jaksa), they may get worse service. Good discussion here about Classic, I understand the points you are making. However, in the P4 P game, most men assume if they received bad service from a girl, she must be providing bad service to all guys. The hard cold fact is, a hooker may provide bad service to one guy, and the next guy she provides good service. Therefore, it is a mistake to think just because you had starfish service from a girl at Classic, that no one can possibly have good service there.

There are many post from other guys on this website that had good service from Classic. These are the simple facts. In my post, I stated a disclaimer, that all guys will not have the exact same experience I did, whatever the reason maybe.

Regarding the cost of tips and compare prices of flights, etc. , I am at the stage in my life, after having a successful professional career, that such small amounts of money -- are just that, small amounts of money. Simply stated, I can more than afford it. Each man should spend according to what is right for him, since it is his money. If what I spend is too much for someone else, then so be it.

One last thought on this topic. If Classic provided bad service to all men, Classic would have went out of business long time ago. That is a simple fact.

Do some men receive bad service from classic girls, yes. Do all men receive bad service from all the girls all the time, no. Just like any other sex outlet service levels will very from guy to guy.

This idea that since I had good time at Classic, I must not know what good service is (a statement made by another member here) is simply silly. Any adult male that pays for sex knows the difference between good and bad service. Again, just because you do not have good service at Classic, does not mean all guys will have bad service at Classic.

[Smoothy]

So true. Everyone has different expectations. Beauty and service is in the eye of the beholder. For example, some guys enjoy screwing a blow up sex doll purchased from the local adult sex shop, while others don't. I wouldn't want one, but they sure seem to sell a lot of them or they wouldn't make them. Nothing wrong with it. Different strokes for different folks.

[LA Guy 5]

Good discussion here about Classic, I understand the points you are making. However, in the P4 P game, most men assume if they received bad service from a girl, she must be providing bad service to all guys. The hard cold fact is, a hooker may provide bad service to one guy, and the next guy she provides good service. Therefore, it is a mistake to think just because you had starfish service from a girl at Classic, that no one can possibly have good service there.

There are many post from other guys on this website that had good service from Classic. These are the simple facts. In my post, I stated a disclaimer, that all guys will not have the exact same experience I did, whatever the reason maybe.

Regarding the cost of tips and compare prices of flights, etc. , I am at the stage in my life, after having a successful professional career, that such small amounts of money -- are just that, small amounts of money. Simply stated, I can more than afford it. Each man should spend according to what is right for him, since it is his money. If what I spend is too much for someone else, then so be it.

One last thought on this topic. If Classic provided bad service to all men, Classic would have went out of business long time ago. That is a simple fact.

Do some men receive bad service from classic girls, yes. Do all men receive bad service from all the girls all the time, no. Just like any other sex outlet service levels will very from guy to guy.

This idea that since I had good time at Classic, I must not know what good service is (a statement made by another member here) is simply silly. Any adult male that pays for sex knows the difference between good and bad service. Again, just because you do not have good service at Classic, does not mean all guys will have bad service at Classic.OK, Mr. Undercoverh. Let's try this a different way. Please tell us each and every place in Jakarta that you have visited (incall or outcall) in which you have had worse service on average than you have had at Classic. And then please tell us each and every place in Jakarta where you have had better service than Classic on average. And then please tell us each and every place in Jakarta where you experienced the same level of service as Classic. The answers to these questions will provide a context for interpreting your statements about how good you find the service at Classic.

One other thing: That Classic has a lot of customers does not in any sense mean the girls there give good service, just as the fact Nataree in Bangkok has a lot of customers does not mean the girls there give good service. The choice as to which P4P places to give business to depends on a combination of factors--looks, service, price, age, ambiance--and just because the balance of factors might lead a number of customers to frequent the establishment does not mean the girls there give good service, particularly when the other factors score high.

As Smoothy correctly points out, quite a few men buy blow-up dolls, but that doesn't mean blow-up dolls give good service. I would agree though the girls at Classic on average give better service--albeit not by so much- than do blow-up dolls. I also would think a man who spends a lot of time with blow-up dolls likely would consider the service at Classic quite good compared to the standard he is accustomed to. Everything is relative.

[Member #4410]

OK, Mr. Undercoverh. Let's try this a different way. Please tell us each and every place in Jakarta that you have visited (incall or outcall) in which you have had worse service on average than you have had at Classic. And then please tell us each and every place in Jakarta where you have had better service than Classic on average. And then please tell us each and every place in Jakarta where you experienced the same level of service as Classic. The answers to these questions will provide a context for interpreting your statements about how good you find the service at Classic.
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I suggest a stop to giving the poor guy a hard time. He is very satisfied with the service he gets at Classic. So be it.

I have never been there and given the ratio of positive versus negative reviews I doubt I ever will, but to each his own.

Regards,

Ko.

[LA Guy 5]

I suggest a stop to giving the poor guy a hard time. He is very satisfied with the service he gets at Classic. So be it.

I have never been there and on the ratio of positive versus negative reviews I doubt I ever will, but to each his own.

Regards,

Ko.That would be fine, if he hadn't suggested, or strongly implied, the reason some of us find the service at Classic sub-standard is because we are showing up with body odor, dirty t-shirts, and so forth. And then trying to give us a lesson on how to overcome such inadequacies. After polluting this board with such nonsense, I don't think I would categorize him as a "poor guy" or victim here.

And I am truly interested in knowing the other places he visited in Jakarta, and how in his mind Classic stacked up relative to them. I look forward to him sharing this information after which, assuming he shares it in a neutral manner, I won't continue with him.

[Member #4410]

Yes, if you only had a short visit just over a year ago, you probably wouldn't know. But the Blok was THE place to be in Jakarta in the past. The Blok used to rock. Top Gun is still good on occasion.Agree. I just came back from a three week visit to Jakarta and the live music in Top Gun is what it should be in a bar: not top of the range but entertaining. Might turn down the volume a bit but that's just my opinion. There's quite a crowd of girls that are getting on a bit but if you're looking for a young chick, you can easily succeed. See my pictures from January in the Picture Gallery showing two sisters in my hotel room I picked up in Top Gun. In June I went there just for the music because I already had a girl lined up each evening.

D's Place also has a good number of ageing girls, but to compensate there are the dancers who will happily give you a blowjob and more in the backroom. The dancers also do house calls, see my pictures in the Photo Gallery.

Regards,

Ko.

[Member #4410]

That would be fine, if he hadn't suggested, or strongly implied, the reason some of us find the service at Classic sub-standard is because we are showing up with body odor, dirty t-shirts, and so forth. And then trying to give us a lesson on how to overcome such inadequacies. After polluting this board with such nonsense, I don't think I would categorize him as a "poor guy" or victim here.

And I am truly interested in knowing the other places he visited in Jakarta, and how in his mind Classic stacked up relative to them. I look forward to him sharing this information after which, assuming he shares it in a neutral manner, I won't continue with him.If you don't feel you're in one of the categories he addresses, why bother?

[Freezone]

On the discussion about Classic or any other spa in Jakarta, it all depends on the girl you choose. I was in Classic and had a really good one and then next day I visited Travel and had a so-so time. But two days later I went back to Classic and choose a different girl and had a worst time that at Travel. So I went to Travel next and choose a different girl and had a blast. So point is it depends on the girl you choose and what her mood is at that time. With over 50 girls to choose from it could be hit or miss no matter where you go.

[Member #4410]

On the discussion about Classic or any other spa in Jakarta, it all depends on the girl you choose. I was in Classic and had a really good one and then next day I visited Travel and had a so-so time. But two days later I went back to Classic and choose a different girl and had a worst time that at Travel. So I went to Travel next and choose a different girl and had a blast. So point is it depends on the girl you choose and what her mood is at that time. With over 50 girls to choose from it could be hit or miss no matter where you go.
In all discussions on Classic the constant is: "the girls look stunning but the performance is starfish". A suggestion for those looking for a more client friendly experience: try the Maribaya bar in Hotel Melawai in Blok M. The girls are not Miss Indonesia material, but they do their best to please. I just came back from a holiday in Indonesia and I re-encountered a girl who I had many times 8 years ago when she was 19, Novi kecil. Her blowjob skills were just the same as then: awesome. I nick-named her Nilfisk then. I fucked her after that and it was just great.

[LA Guy 5]

If you don't feel you're in one of the categories he addresses, why bother?

Ko: I realize we are reaching the point of diminishing returns, but I do want to answer your question. He earlier said in substance that the reason many here have criticized the service at Classic is likely because they are smelly, wear dirty clothes, and so forth. I am one of those who earlier, more than once, expressed a negative opinion about the service at Classic, so it is not really true he wasn't referring to me as well as others who also posted negative reviews.

If he had said, "I like Classic, some other don't, different strokes for different folks," that, of course, would have been fine. But he basically stated (and I'm sort of paraphrasing) "I like Classic, some others don't which I suspect is because they smell bad, wear dirty clothing, and so forth, and let me give you all a lesson on how to monger."

As before, I don't think it is asking too much for him to simply tell us which other locales he has frequented in Jakarta, and how he rates their service relative to Classic. That way people here will have some context for evaluating the vantage point from which he has reached his various conclusions.

[LA Guy 5]

In all discussions on Classic the constant is: "the girls look stunning but the performance is starfish". A suggestion for those looking for a more client friendly experience: try the Maribaya bar in Hotel Melawai in Blok M. The girls are not Miss Indonesia material, but they do their best to please. I just came back from a holiday in Indonesia and I re-encountered a girl who I had many times 8 years ago when she was 19, Novi kecil. Her blowjob skills were just the same as then: awesome. I nick-named her Nilfisk then. I fucked her after that and it was just great.On a more positive note, I went to Maribaya three times during my last visit to Jakarta, and all three of my sessions there (although two were with the same girl) were fantastic, as I reported at the time. I hadn't been there in years (the last time was before the renovations and it was both run down, and when I visited had very few girls) but now am thinking it may become one of my regular stops.

[Smoothy]

OK, Mr. Undercoverh. Let's try this a different way. Please tell us each and every place in Jakarta that you have visited (incall or outcall) in which you have had worse service on average than you have had at Classic. And then please tell us each and every place in Jakarta where you have had better service than Classic on average.Since he lives in Bangkok, I think even listing places in Bangkok that are worse would be interesting. My last trip to Bangkok I had better service every place I went than I have ever gotten at Classic.

[Smoothy]

D's Place also has a good number of ageing girls, but to compensate there are the dancers who will happily give you a blowjob and more in the backroom. The dancers also do house calls, see my pictures in the Photo Gallery.

Regards,

Ko.You've not posted any picture of Anjani yet, but I think she's one of the sexiest girls around. She works DS and she's a stunner.

[Member #4410]

You've not posted any picture of Anjani yet, but I think she's one of the sexiest girls around. She works DS and she's a stunner.I guess I missed her. There were some very pretty dancers there who, according to Ayu and Indi, did not go to the VIP room or on house calls. Is she one of those?

[Member #4410]

On a more positive note, I went to Maribaya three times during my last visit to Jakarta, and all three of my sessions there (although two were with the same girl) were fantastic, as I reported at the time. I hadn't been there in years (the last time was before the renovations and it was both run down, and when I visited had very few girls) but now am thinking it may become one of my regular stops.Renovations? What renovations?

[LA Guy 5]

Renovations? What renovations?Maybe two years ago or more, they were closed for a period for what were referred to as renovations. This was based on what I read either on this site or elsewhere and because it was not at that time on my "circuit" I didn't know about the closure from direct experience. But I'm quite confident this did happen. I'm not sure the extent of the renovations, but the layout of the bar, etc. did seem a bit different when I went there recently compared to my (rather weak) memory of the layout a few years ago.

Edit: I now see it was four years ago, http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta&p=1159787&highlight=Maribaya+renovations#post1159787. But I suppose it is possible the scheduled renovations never happened.

[Undercoverh]

OK, Mr. Undercoverh. Let's try this a different way. Please tell us each and every place in Jakarta that you have visited (incall or outcall) in which you have had worse service on average than you have had at Classic. And then please tell us each and every place in Jakarta where you have had better service than Classic on average. And then please tell us each and every place in Jakarta where you experienced the same level of service as Classic. The answers to these questions will provide a context for interpreting your statements about how good you find the service at Classic.

One other thing: That Classic has a lot of customers does not in any sense mean the girls there give good service, just as the fact Nataree in Bangkok has a lot of customers does not mean the girls there give good service. The choice as to which P4P places to give business to depends on a combination of factors--looks, service, price, age, ambiance--and just because the balance of factors might lead a number of customers to frequent the establishment does not mean the girls there give good service, particularly when the other factors score high.

As Smoothy correctly points out, quite a few men buy blow-up dolls, but that doesn't mean blow-up dolls give good service. I would agree though the girls at Classic on average give better service--albeit not by so much- than do blow-up dolls. I also would think a man who spends a lot of time with blow-up dolls likely would consider the service at Classic quite good compared to the standard he is accustomed to. Everything is relative.You must be joking with this new homework assignment you are giving me. LOL. You are taking this way to seriously.

[LA Guy 5]

You must be joking with this new homework assignment you are giving me. LOL. You are taking this way to seriously.It's rather easy and would be informative, unlike a lot of the other nonsense you have posted.

Can't do it, huh? Not surprising.

[Undercoverh]

I suggest a stop to giving the poor guy a hard time. He is very satisfied with the service he gets at Classic. So be it.

I have never been there and given the ratio of positive versus negative reviews I doubt I ever will, but to each his own.

Regards,

Ko.Well said.

[Undercoverh]

It's rather easy and would be informative, unlike a lot of the other nonsense you have posted.

Can't do it, huh? Not surprising.Relax, let it go. This is becoming childish and silly. I will not respond to any more of your comments regarding my post.

[LA Guy 5]

Well said.I guess nothing is going to change. We can "look forward" to the next installment in your series (and it has become a series) of posts about how Asian mongers are so much more astute than Westerners and how you can explain this all to us. Yawn.

[Lost99]

To Undercoverh:

Just want to say that I appreciate your review and POV from a non-Indo monger experiencing Jakarta for the first time. I've always thought Jakarta was an awesome, underrated, and under-the-radar place for most international mongers. The end game is the same as in BKK, but I"ve always found the experience enjoyable and with good value. The cheapest lay I've found in BKK while being decent would be at Thermae Cafe, which cost 1500 Baht ST ($40 USD) which is the same price as Classic Hotel after tip, but has much less selection and not as enjoyable process for me. Just ignore any haters here and post your reviews because they make a positive contribution to the forum.

Additionally, I think Classic is mainly geared towards local Indo Mongers, who prefer cheap prices and the quick "wham-bam" approach, rather than the "getting to know you" beer bar approach that most westerners prefer. If anyone prefers this style, they are better served in places around Blok M instead of places in the North like Classic Hotel.

[Lost99]

On the discussion about Classic or any other spa in Jakarta, it all depends on the girl you choose. I was in Classic and had a really good one and then next day I visited Travel and had a so-so time. But two days later I went back to Classic and choose a different girl and had a worst time that at Travel. So I went to Travel next and choose a different girl and had a blast. So point is it depends on the girl you choose and what her mood is at that time. With over 50 girls to choose from it could be hit or miss no matter where you go.Agreed. Best service I had was from a Thai girl in Malioboro. We went through a whole bottle of baby oil, and my penis slid through every crack and crevice of her body, and capped off with a bit of face fucking and exploding in her mouth. Then there was ROUND 2! Worst service I had, was probably a big tit baby at Alexis. Although hot, she was just lazy and wanted to lay on her back the whole time. I wouldn't have cared if it was Hotel Classic price, but was a bit annoyed since this cost 4 times the price!

[Undercoverh]

To Undercoverh:

Just want to say that I appreciate your review and POV from a non-Indo monger experiencing Jakarta for the first time. I've always thought Jakarta was an awesome, underrated, and under-the-radar place for most international mongers. The end game is the same as in BKK, but I"ve always found the experience enjoyable and with good value. The cheapest lay I've found in BKK while being decent would be at Thermae Cafe, which cost 1500 Baht ST ($40 USD) which is the same price as Classic Hotel after tip, but has much less selection and not as enjoyable process for me. Just ignore any haters here and post your reviews because they make a positive contribution to the forum.

Additionally, I think Classic is mainly geared towards local Indo Mongers, who prefer cheap prices and the quick "wham-bam" approach, rather than the "getting to know you" beer bar approach that most westerners prefer. If anyone prefers this style, they are better served in places around Blok M instead of places in the North like Classic Hotel.I agree with your comments and thanks for your feedback.

[Smoothy]

POV from a non-Indo monger experiencing Jakarta for the first time.I don't think there is much difference between a non-Indo Asian monger and a local Asian Indo monger. However, there is a difference though between a Western monger and an Asian monger. I agree that Asian mongers prefer the quick "wham-bam" approach, rather than the "getting to know you" beer bar approach that most westerners prefer. I won't say that all Asians prefer cheap because Japanese seem to pay more than anyone. Although not many Asians will be found chatting the girls up in bars, many Asians do love their karaoke and do stand a chance of establishing a relationship with a karaoke girl. You won't find many Westerners in the karaokes.

I've often thought that people should describe themselves when giving their reports. What country are they from, how old are they, etc. People who are most similar to you will enjoy the same places that you enjoy (for the most part).

A good example is the time about 7 years ago when one of my very good friends who is a Hong Kong Chinese guy in his late 40's came to Jakarta. He asked me to fix him up with a great girl. I told him I had recently been with the best girl I had ever been with in Jakarta and he had to try her. She was fairly tall for an Indo girl, white skin due to her father being Arabic, beautiful big firm breasts and her face was as close to a 10 out of 10 I've ever seen in Jakarta. This girl was a true stunner. When I first met her, I thought she had to be one of the well known models or actresses in town. She spoke very good English and I would guess her age to be around 25. Any Western guy would jump at the chance to spend a night with this girl. I introduced him to her and he had no interest in her at all. His response was "I can't handle a girl like that. She would kill me. I need a younger and more innocent girl." I have to admit that she was very wild in bed the time I took her home and I did have a hard time keeping up with her, but it was fantastic. My friend is not a small Asian guy, he's over 6 feet tall and quite muscular, "handling" her would not have been an issue. But if he prefers a younger and less experienced girl over the best fuck of the century, Jakarta does have that.

So we went to one of the North Jakarta brothels instead and he chose a tiny young girl who the mamasan said was "anak baru" which basically translates to "new girl". She was too shy to talk much, but my friend doesn't speak Indonesian and she didn't speak English, Mandarin, or Cantonese, so her not speaking much didn't bother him. I did ask her in Indonesian how old she was. Her reply was "delapan belas", which translates to "eighteen". I'd have rated her about a 5 out of 10 and nowhere near as hot as the 25 year old I introduced him to earlier. But she was young and naive, no doubt about that. After we came downstairs my friend said, "now that is the type of girl I am looking for. This is a great place". Even to this day, he mentions how it was one of the best places he'd ever been to in his life and raves about Jakarta.

[Smoothy]

Renovations? What renovations?They painted the rooms (poorly), bought new sheets, and fixed the wall in the back room so that when it rained, you don't get soaked anymore.

[Smoothy]

I guess I missed her. There were some very pretty dancers there who, according to Ayu and Indi, did not go to the VIP room or on house calls. Is she one of those?She's the one with the really hot body, and most popular in the back VIP room. She has an indo boyfriend, so I don't think she ever does take out. As hot as she is, I don't like her personality. It's similar to the girls at Hotel Travel's personalities. No charm. You are better off sticking with the girls with the better personalities.

This is the picture of her from the My Bar Calendar. Unfortunately, it doesn't show her best assets - her ass, pussy and legs.

[SteelBaton]

I have never had the chance to enjoy Jakarta but this forum has always intrigued me and its on my bucket list. I now have a window to go for 3 days mongering in SEA. I'd like to try somewhere new. I've spent plenty of time in the usual places (BKK, PI, HCMC, Cambodia, Burma, etc) but not Jakarta. The issue is my window falls squarely in the last week of 2015 Ramadan (Sunday to Tuesday). The question is should I bother or wait for another opportunity later in the year?

I'm seeking confirmation from some bros who have local experience about the situation during Ramadan. Having RTFF and done a few other searches my conclusions are the following:

- mongering is possible, but have reduced expectations.

- youngest girls will be home with their families, so expect 25-30 yrs, with a good amount of MILFs.

- some venues like BATS will still have good offerings, but again olde, more independent ladies.

- places like (the much discussed) Classic which seems to have more of the young (if starfish) hotties will have very few options compared to their normal menu.

Is this roughly correct? I'm not especially interested in the older, more MILFy women. Young and fresh is more appealing even if that means less experience and weaker service. It seems these are exactly the sort of girls who will be in the shortest supply?

Any special venue suggests for this time of year would be helpful.

Cheers,

SB.

[Master Diver II]

I guess nothing is going to change. We can "look forward" to the next installment in your series (and it has become a series) of posts about how Asian mongers are so much more astute than Westerners and how you can explain this all to us. Yawn.Ease up LA, many others made comments on Classic but didn't seem to feel as sensitively about it as you. He mentioned one guy who was sloppy, but didn't say that was you.



I've lived in both Jakarta and Bangkok and I do prefer Bangkok a bit more for mongering (the girls are naughtier), but Jakarta is great too.
The girls are naughtier? I find it the other way around. But perhaps that's just our experiences. I'm Asian but I would definitely have jumped that 25 yo part Arab girl you mentioned earlier; at the same time, I have been with less experienced girls and enjoyed bringing out their wilder side. I don't enjoy starfish performances, but I also don't like Blok M. I guess that's why I'm firmly in the "dating" market in Jakarta. Naughty girls wanting naughty experiences, no starfish, fun getting to know the girl, and a ridiculous strike rate (even as a non-bule)!

MD II.

[Master Diver II]

I have never had the chance to enjoy Jakarta but this forum has always intrigued me and its on my bucket list. I now have a window to go for 3 days mongering in SEA. I'd like to try somewhere new. I've spent plenty of time in the usual places (BKK, PI, HCMC, Cambodia, Burma, etc) but not Jakarta. The issue is my window falls squarely in the last week of 2015 Ramadan (Sunday to Tuesday). The question is should I bother or wait for another opportunity later in the year?
Would I be correct in assuming that would be 12th-14th July? You have chosen a tough time to visit Jakarta, and while there are options, it will not be simple for a Jakarta newbie. If you are set on coming, my advice would be to go online now and hit the dating sites and target women who come from Jakarta; otherwise you will find many go back to their kampungs a week or so early for the Eid festivities. There are women who are clearly looking for P4P on these sites if that is what you wish. Alternatively, make contact using Tinder, Skout, Craigslist etc but use your brain to filter - we're all at least sometimes temporary victims of the 2nd brain taking over, and making the wrong choices. If you don't want to do this, or know your way around at all, I would seriously consider rescheduling Jakarta for another time. The only way you could have picked a tougher time would be the middle of Ramadan or Eid itself.

MD II.

[LA Guy 5]

Ease up LA, many others made comments on Classic but didn't seem to feel as sensitively about it as you. He mentioned one guy who was sloppy, but didn't say that was you.So long as you want to continue this, you are wrong about what he said. Here it is:

"Side note: I had seen a Western guy there, dressed in flip flops, tea shirt, and cargo shorts, and the tea shirt was a little dirty. I thought back to some of the post here from guys stating the girls at HC did not give them good service. Or, it was not a GFE. Do not get me wrong, I am not putting any guy down. But from the girls POV, maybe there is not a GFE or not good service because the guys does not present himself well (e. G. , body odor, dirty clothes, etc.). Yes, they are hookers, but still they are young women, and of course they will not be turned on having to bang a guy that has body odor and dirty clothes.

There is a misconception that hookers should provide good service and GFE no matter what type of guy they have to bang. That is of course unrealistic. Yes, they are required to bang the guy mama sayes to bang, but that does not mean the girl has to enjoy it or provide a GFE. As for me, when I go to the MP or SPAs, Hotel Classic, etc. , I dress nice, genearlly in busines shoes, tailor made business slacks and shirt. Clean shaven with nice cologne. Now, I am not suggesting that all men do this, do what you like. As for me, this is how I present myself. And, I am happy and a nice guy with the girls in additon to being playful and not demanding. Maybe this is why my experience at places like Hotel Classic has been good. ".

He wasn't commenting on only one Western guy. He was suggesting in that post those of us who posted negative information about the service at Classic likely got bad service because we did not know how to present ourselves to the girls, whereas he did. I found that offensive, particularly coming from someone who apparently has such limited experience in Jakarta; apparently you don't.

And to the guy who suggested I was a "hater" for holding this view, have you looked at your own history of posts here, insulting other people? Classic pot calling the kettle black.

[LA Guy 5]

I have never had the chance to enjoy Jakarta but this forum has always intrigued me and its on my bucket list. I now have a window to go for 3 days mongering in SEA. I'd like to try somewhere new. I've spent plenty of time in the usual places (BKK, PI, HCMC, Cambodia, Burma, etc) but not Jakarta. The issue is my window falls squarely in the last week of 2015 Ramadan (Sunday to Tuesday). The question is should I bother or wait for another opportunity later in the year?

I'm seeking confirmation from some bros who have local experience about the situation during Ramadan. Having RTFF and done a few other searches my conclusions are the following:

- mongering is possible, but have reduced expectations.

- youngest girls will be home with their families, so expect 25-30 yrs, with a good amount of MILFs.

- some venues like BATS will still have good offerings, but again olde, more independent ladies.

- places like (the much discussed) Classic which seems to have more of the young (if starfish) hotties will have very few options compared to their normal menu.

Is this roughly correct? I'm not especially interested in the older, more MILFy women. Young and fresh is more appealing even if that means less experience and weaker service. It seems these are exactly the sort of girls who will be in the shortest supply?

Any special venue suggests for this time of year would be helpful.

Cheers,

SB.Probably not a good time to visit Jakarta. That is awfully close to, or includes, Lebaran, during which there will be even greater traffic jams than usual. And although I cannot say whether places like BATS or CJ's will have a reasonable selection, in general things will be very slow in the P4 P area. I would wait until another opportunity to visit.