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The rule of "don't follow touts", as well as don't go to those shady bars in Roppongi, should be a hard-and-fast rule. I should have heeded this advice.Anyway, the PSA is this -- DO NOT GO TO AVALON IN ROPPONGI (wherever that is). I rolled the dice and followed a tout into a less than respectable place, and the night went downhill from there. Avalon charged USD 5000 on my credit card. Suffice it to say it's total BS.Anyway, I won't have to pay of course, but clearly Avalon (and any of those shady places) are to be avoided.Happy Thanksgiving.-B-
Bonzo,It's a hard and fast rule for anyone who drinks alcohol to never take a credit card or excess cash along with you when you go out drinking. You take enough for the night and that's it. I'm not sure what led you to partake but its common knowledge here in this forum that this is a "get what you deserve" scenario when you start going along with touts who promise you things associated with drinking alcohol you're simply asking for trouble. It's not particular clubs, either. It's anywhere but especially in Kabukicho and Roppongi.
The rule of "don't follow touts", as well as don't go to those shady bars in Roppongi, should be a hard-and-fast rule. I should have heeded this advice.Anyway, the PSA is this -- DO NOT GO TO AVALON IN ROPPONGI (wherever that is). I rolled the dice and followed a tout into a less than respectable place, and the night went downhill from there. Avalon charged USD 5000 on my credit card. Suffice it to say it's total BS.Anyway, I won't have to pay of course, but clearly Avalon (and any of those shady places) are to be avoided.Happy Thanksgiving.-B-
Advice taken re credit cards. However, I don't think I 'deserved' to be drugged and ripped off to the tune of $5000 plus my cash (about $500), though it's not unexpected I suppose. In any case, I submitted this post (despite the shame) to forewarn others in hopes that they might avoid a similar circumstance. -B-
Bonzo,It's a hard and fast rule for anyone who drinks alcohol to never take a credit card or excess cash along with you when you go out drinking. You take enough for the night and that's it. I'm not sure what led you to partake but its common knowledge here in this forum that this is a "get what you deserve" scenario when you start going along with touts who promise you things associated with drinking alcohol you're simply asking for trouble. It's not particular clubs, either. It's anywhere but especially in Kabukicho and Roppongi.
No shame, just a hard lesson. The drink-spiking has been in the news since March 2009 or even before. I'm surprised you didn't know. The US Embassy has been warning Americans (not sure where you're from but that doesn't matter because this pertains to all foreigners) about drink spiking. It's very well known throughout the expat community. Do a search. Here is just one article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/18/us-embassy-tokyo-warning
Advice taken re credit cards. However, I don't think I 'deserved' to be drugged and ripped off to the tune of $5000 plus my cash (about $500), though it's not unexpected I suppose. In any case, I submitted this post (despite the shame) to forewarn others in hopes that they might avoid a similar circumstance. -B-
Ah - that's scary. I'm American, but not living in Tokyo...was just visiting friends and did zero research. Hence I suppose I was a perfect target, particularly given my "I'll try anything once" attitude. Lesson learned. Hope can prevent someone else from suffering the same thing. I can say first hand it REALLY sucked - not just the phony credit card charged, but more the entire night which I can hardly remember other than struggling to deal with BS and to get out of the bar and get back to my hotel.Happy thanksgiving, and safe wishes to all.-B-
No shame, just a hard lesson. The drink-spiking has been in the news since March 2009 or even before. I'm surprised you didn't know. The US Embassy has been warning Americans (not sure where you're from but that doesn't matter because this pertains to all foreigners) about drink spiking. It's very well known throughout the expat community. Do a search. Here is just one article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/18/us-embassy-tokyo-warning
Avalon charged USD 5000 on my credit card. Suffice it to say it's total BS.Anyway, I won't have to pay of course, but clearly Avalon (and any of those shady places) are to be avoided.Happy Thanksgiving.-B-What surprises me in these scams are also the credit card companies. for sure most of the scams go successfull as nobody dares ot complain for many reasons. Still there is a good number of people that claims with the cc company and surely those corporates have list fo th egood and bad establishments.I mean, a high rate of claims should be a warning not to license those scammers with credit card payments.Evidently they do not care!
I have informed my credit card company and I'm fairly sure I won't have to pay. My company, Chase, puts the responsibility on the establishment to prove the charges, which in this case of course they will not be able to do. I agree - they have access to lists about bad establishments, and these places should have their merchant licenses revoked. It happens occasionally in China they do (get their licenses revoked). Strange that it happens over and over in Tokyo without similar consequences....
What surprises me in these scams are also the credit card companies. for sure most of the scams go successfull as nobody dares ot complain for many reasons. Still there is a good number of people that claims with the cc company and surely those corporates have list fo th egood and bad establishments.I mean, a high rate of claims should be a warning not to license those scammers with credit card payments.Evidently they do not care!
I went to Gotanda noon time. First I wanted to go for a KDH in a LH, (see a previous report) but I was hailed by a scout. I asked WTF it was about.Well, quite a good surprise. Pink salon, 7000 yens. Loud music, huge sofa. Quite dark but you can have a glimpse of the action of your fellow mongers (if you enjoy this kind of things.! I do.). J-girls, young, but not really pretty. Mine was a 5/10 face ok but really thin, no tits, bad teeth.Like other places, its about BBBJ & CIM, but I asked for a condom and I got it. I tried to remove the condom & CIM at the end, but I missed it, damn, I have to go and try again.It was really busy. All seats were full, and I saw customers come in as soon as some clients left.Personally I think BBBJ is unhealthy and no showers / toilets in this kind of place. As someone said on this forum, its a STD in waiting. So please be careful.Where? Take A6 exit from Toei Asakusa Gotanda, turn right into Gotanda Ichibancho, (big sign above your head) 2nd small street on the right, second floor. I think the sign reads 'O-takara' (treasure).Maybe there has been a report on this place in this forum already?Hi againI could not resist to go there again.The tout didn't recognize me, but it was the same guy, and about the same time (noon). I had to wait about 20mns to get serviced. This time, I looked at the price board, and noticed service starts at 3, 500 (before noon). Last time I paid 7, 000 for 1 girl (so the double). This time the guy told me id have 2 girls for 7, 000 yens, then 5mns later told me this time only id have 2 girls this time, but normally id have only 1 next time, as for gaijin, the rate is double.Of course, I complained and the guy figured out I could read and speak Japanese, so next time they may not try these cheap tricks.This is a rip-off as I'm sure the guys keep the money for themselves and not the girls. But hey, were gaijins and all-in-all its a bargain basement price in Tokyo for the quality of service and nice setup.Anyway I'm a one-shot guy (need more time to reload) and I knew in advance #2 girl would totally unhelpful, except for fondling, hugging and kissing.It wasnt the same girls than the other day. The girls are not good looking, theyre poor and simple girls from Chiba or Saitama, having a hard living. All 3 are kind hearted, offer good service and have good BJ technique, IMHO.And part of the excitement is to see other people getting laid or being seen getting a nice BJ. Might be fun to go in groups as well. (4 people max if I remember well)EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.
I have informed my credit card company and I'm fairly sure I won't have to pay. My company, Chase, puts the responsibility on the establishment to prove the charges, which in this case of course they will not be able to do.You should be fine. A friend with a Japanese credit card wasn't so lucky. The Japanese credit card companies are very difficult to get reversals on and he is paying off a $US5000 debt. I had a hold put on my American credit card once because of a legitimate $2000 transaction which was rejected. When I contacted them about my card not working they asked if that transaction was OK. It wasn't easy saying yes. I could have got away with rejecting it.
Warburton 0263
11-28-09, 04:39
You should be fine. A friend with a Japanese credit card wasn't so lucky. The Japanese credit card companies are very difficult to get reversals on and he is paying off a $US5000 debt. I had a hold put on my American credit card once because of a legitimate $2000 transaction which was rejected. When I contacted them about my card not working they asked if that transaction was OK. It wasn't easy saying yes. I could have got away with rejecting it.I had a chance to figure out these Chinese girls near the naval base. I went in for the standard 3000 Yen massage from a good looking Chinese girl. Went upstairs and saw a bunch of curtained stalls. I got on the table and started with a standard massage. A drunken US guy was in the next stall, could hear him asking for extras. Long Story Short (LSS) the girl charges this guy 40, 000 yen for a HJ on his CC "sign here" was the clue. With the heavy Chinese accent it was easy to mislead the price for 4, 000Y (showing 4 fingers). My time was about up so I requested another 30 minutes for 3, 000 Y. Then came in victim #2 extremely drunk could hardly even get on the massage table. LSS Credit card charge 70, 000 Y for BJ. For the 6, 000 Y I did get a lubed HJ at the end.Things to watch for at these establishments.Curtained booths will not allow FS, may be BJ.Watch for second girl asking for the house $/Y especially different from negotiated. (I negotiated FS for 10, 000Y and second girl asked for 3000Y house fee (?). RUN, they will try to stop you by grabbing your arm.I found FS range from 10, 000 to 15, 000 Y depending on your negotiating skills; they try to rip you off starting at 30, 000 to 90, 000Y.The FS I got was in small single massage rooms, not separated by curtains but with real walls.
Hotboy Ronald
11-29-09, 14:04
Her latest post: http://tokyo.craigslist.jp/ers/1455223292.htmlHer name didn't come up on the search thread, so wondering if anyone's given her a shot.After numerous failed attempts and cancellations I was finally able to secure an appointment with Alana. Met her at Roppongi station and was not impressed. Her pictures that she posted on CL could be her, but a few years ago, she looks to be around 35. I backed out after seeing her (I made an excuse that I got an important call and had to leave) but I did give her money for her cab fare. She offered $250 for the entire night but I couldn't bring myself to do it. It seems like she had some sort of acne condition on her face also.
Things to watch for at these establishments.Curtained booths will not allow FS, may be BJ.The FS I got was in small single massage rooms, not separated by curtains but with real walls.Perhaps for that particular establishment, but others (with only curtains) DO allow FS. SPM Takanobaba is but one example....
Perhaps for that particular establishment, but others (with only curtains) DO allow FS. SPM Takanobaba is but one example....Please see my previous reports in Nishi-Nippori as well.
Hey guys, this is my first report ever and I just found this forum yesterday. After serveral readings of previous grimpeur report, I decided to go there check it myself. Arrived around 5PM, the place was easy to find but there are two doors on each side, a little confused on which one to go in. I look japanese but not able to fully communcate with the staff. When I walked in, there were five guys standing behind the counter and ask he many questions in japanese. I told them I a gaijin and only say a few word. Then they show me who is able to take a gaijin customer. I forgot her name, 21 yr be cup. The guy walked me to the hotel 20 feet away and check in the room. Waited about 10 mins before the girl showed up. I paid 40mins and the girl has a smoking hot body. Except her nose bridge a bit tall, everything else was perfect.We talked a few mins before she set the timer. Shower together with all the standard, washed my part with great care and always talk to me about many things in japanese. I only understand half of what she was saying but no problem on breaking the ice. Then she sucked my part for a long time, asking me if I am S or M. Of course I went S on her. About half way, I asked her real penatration if alright. She said it's illegal but she want me to keep it secret. Maybe I played it cool or I just play cute, she wants me go all the way. Then the next 20 mins was fantastic. All the positions I could think off and not to worry about breaking the comdom since she pull out an extra size from her purse. She said the japanese are too small for me. She cry out like a porn star but not in the fake way. Last few mins left, I said I want to cum in her month and she went really deep with out the protection. It was the first time I got a real month finish. She spit out the stuff and clean my part with her month again. Never a better feeling then this.Totally worth going back. Service 10. Attitude 10. Body 10 but face I gave a 7 because her nose.Additional note, I used to go to the massage place around shinjuku. Taking the south exit, 4 mins walk straight towards the JR hospital right befor the AM PM store. On the left side, there are three massage place in one building. The 8th floor has real deal but the girls there are not so hot. 4 for body and 5 for service. 5th floor are all Chinese, "asian maid". But only HJ. The thai massage place which on the same floor has the best massage but I can't touch the girls. So I only went there once.So anyone know any place better for a cheaper, better place then grimpuer. Please let me know.
According to the website, most of the girls are from Spain. There are also others from France, Switzerland, Portugal, Greece, Argentina, and the US. No Eastern European countries mentioned.Seems a little strange because the girls are smokin', but the prices seem pretty low. It's right across the street from Mark City in Shibuya, so you would think there would be a line of guys standing in the street waiting their turn.If anyone has any info on this place, please share.I tried to fine the place yesterday around 5PM. Had a difficult time locate the place. Only I could find is that pachiko on the first floor. Do I have to call?
Went to Nishi Nippori again.Not to the Korean place (este Feel) but to Carnivalhttp://n-carnival.com/index_pc.phpGaijin friendly. But you have to speak Japanese to find the place. Unless you read this forum!So at the exit from JR, look for the Yoshinoya. Next small street on the right. At the end of the street is a LH called Hotel Papillon. Before that on the right side of that street is a Udon called Kameya (in Hiragana.?). Now if my memory is good, on the other side of the street is an old residential building (blue if I remember well) called New Fleet (?). No sign of any activity. Some bicycles in the entrance. Go to room 501 and knock at the door. IRRASHAIMASE!Mostly Chinese girls, some Korean & Thai as well. Looks 5 at best. But service quite good if you're nice with them. No unnecessary waiting, no BS.FS looks always included. Starts at 6, 000 for 40mns. Today I chose 3P course for 15, 000 / 1 hour. It feels very nice for sure! Even I wasnt in great form at all (and probably a bit 'worried' about the situation and my 'performance') I don't regret at all my money!Actually thats my 2nd time here. The girls are not clean. I don't recommend BBBJ and be sure to use condoms and bring your own ones (might be too small for you.)
I went there about two month ago when I was bored out of my mind on a weekend. I went to two massage parlor that night and found out they are all legit. Both of them are at the north east exit of the JR station. First one called "mo-e" in kanji, right above a taiwan food joint. First I asked in japanese if any happy ending. And the mamasan keeps saying yes. 8k yen for one hour. But nothing happen. And the massage was so-so. Another place right across the street on the back alley. Thai massage and I paid 3k for 30 mins with shower and everthing. I didn't expecting anything but the massage was superb. Stretch out my back bones and everything. Feels like a new born when all my joints are all loosen up. I recommand this place for a short relax.Ps, there is another korean massage place very closed to the "asian feel" in shinjuku kabukicho. 10k yen for a hour service. First 30 mins was a deep scrubbing in the shower table. First I feel like in a mortgue when they clean up the body. But they did a very nice job on cleaning you up. So much dead tissue scrubed away. And the HJ was nice and quick if you close your eyes the hold time and don't mind the obansan, who is really hot when she was younger. Biggest load I ever shot. Still a little sore five hours later. I recommand you do it once a year, just for the srubbing is worth the price.I have been reading so much about the BJ alley in varies parts of tokyo. Can someone do a whole list and it's location? Much apprciated.EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.
Member #3439
12-03-09, 04:25
The rule of "don't follow touts", as well as don't go to those shady bars in Roppongi, should be a hard-and-fast rule. I should have heeded this advice.-B-Yeah, don't follow touts to the places they are touting...but they actually can be friendly guides if you let them know that you're a real hobbyist who knows the business...not just a tourist or rookie monger. I got one to show me the closest place to buy an umbrella in Kabukicho. Yet another one showed me the location of a good cheap ramen noodle shop.After walking around for an hour, I got a tout for a different shop to show me the location of Hinomaru. I assume and hope he got a commission.Some of these guys even ask me about the scene elsewhere, and I make them jealous with tales of Latin America. :) The ones I've spoken to don't even get to session the girls that they are touting..sad.
Backtobasics
12-03-09, 05:26
I can't make head or tail of the options on the System page - could someone kindly summarize?
Went to Nishi Nippori again.Not to the Korean place (este Feel) but to Carnivalhttp://n-carnival.com/index_pc.phpGaijin friendly. But you have to speak Japanese to find the place. Unless you read this forum!So at the exit from JR, look for the Yoshinoya. Next small street on the right. At the end of the street is a LH called Hotel Papillon. Before that on the right side of that street is a Udon called Kameya (in Hiragana.?). Now if my memory is good, on the other side of the street is an old residential building (blue if I remember well) called New Fleet (?). No sign of any activity. Some bicycles in the entrance. Go to room 501 and knock at the door. IRRASHAIMASE!Mostly Chinese girls, some Korean & Thai as well. Looks 5 at best. But service quite good if you're nice with them. No unnecessary waiting, no BS.FS looks always included. Starts at 6, 000 for 40mns. Today I chose 3P course for 15, 000 / 1 hour. It feels very nice for sure! Even I wasnt in great form at all (and probably a bit 'worried' about the situation and my 'performance') I don't regret at all my money!Actually thats my 2nd time here. The girls are not clean. I don't recommend BBBJ and be sure to use condoms and bring your own ones (might be too small for you.)
Yeah, don't follow touts to the places they are touting...but they actually can be friendly guides if you let them know that you're a real hobbyist who knows the business...not just a tourist or rookie monger. I'm going to disagree slightly. I've used touts to take me to stores with great success. I generally ignore them though as I almost always have a place I want to go to. The only problem is that you have to be specific with what you want. You have to say I want this service with this kind of girl. They'll do their best to help. However those free information places are far better at that. Those Muryou Annaijou places.If it's past the last train though, I might go up to a tout and tell him I'm looking for some play with a Japanese girl for example. I've been helped out a number of times that way.
Gaijin Otoko
12-03-09, 14:00
I can't make head or tail of the options on the System page - could someone kindly summarize? The whole SP 1, SP 2 thing is rather cryptic. Here's how I understand it. SP1 - One shot on goal2do nuki - One shot on goal with some non-goal action after.SP 2 - Two shots on goalThe reading of the last one escapes me, but it means unlimited shots on goal.Courses:40 Min short course 6000 yen, one shot on goal and non scoring play after60 Min basic course 7500 yen, up to two shots on goal80 Min long course 12,000 yen, up to two shots on goal100 Min long course 17,000 yen, unlimited shots on goal80 Min W course 13,000 yen, two shots, girls switch60 Min Harem course 14,000 yen, two shots, probably two girls simultaneouslyThe last two are overnight courses, one starting at 2 am, and the other starting at midnight. Unlimited shots, of course.Hope this helps, and I hope someone can give a clearer definition of the whole SP 1, SP 2 thing, and correct me if I'm wrong.
[QUOTE=Gaijin Otoko]The whole SP 1, SP 2 thing is rather cryptic. Here's how I understand it.SP (?. Special seikan) is generally used as a cryptic euphemism for full service by some estes. The codes used are basically:SP1: one full service shot2 nuki: one full service shot, then one hand service shotSP2: two full service shotsSpecial seikan: as many full service shots as you can manageEach of the courses (40 minutes, 60 minutes, etc.) show what you are allowed to do during the allotted time (red color OK, gray not OK).Hope that helps!
Member #3439
12-04-09, 06:08
If you research far back enough, there is a report from a guy who got crabs after a visit there. Yes, to each his own, the price can't be beat, 100% gaijin friendly but the place is filthy.I guess you're talking about me. I did get crabs, but I definitely don't think it was from there. On that trip I fucked (2) full bush J-girls in Tobita in Osaka , then back to Tokyo..went to Jan-Jan about 3 times, Hinomaru once, and had an session with a dominatrix in a Kabukicho love motel where I ended up on the dirty floor. I theoretically could have caught them at any of those places, but *Tobita* is the most likely since that's the only place where I had that kind of contact. Moral of the story: Go to Jan Jan. It's great and the deal can't be beat. If I was in Tokyo, I'd be at Jan Jan tonight. If you are worried, take a cloth and put it under you to ward off anything.Next time back, all my hobbying yen will go to Jan Jan for BBBJ, and to Milkybaby and the domina service for kink. I am staying away from anything hairy on a J-girl.
Backtobasics
12-05-09, 05:02
Thanks to both of you. Google Translate choked on the SP stuff, but you have both made it very to me (and others).
[QUOTE=Gaijin Otoko]The whole SP 1, SP 2 thing is rather cryptic. Here's how I understand it.SP (?. Special seikan) is generally used as a cryptic euphemism for full service by some estes. The codes used are basically:SP1: one full service shot2 nuki: one full service shot, then one hand service shotSP2: two full service shotsSpecial seikan: as many full service shots as you can manageEach of the courses (40 minutes, 60 minutes, etc.) show what you are allowed to do during the allotted time (red color OK, gray not OK).Hope that helps!
Yesterday, on my way home from the airport I stopped off for a massage in Otsuka. I had a really long week in the states, due to a family emergency, with almost no time to myself, late nights and little sleep. I was beat after a long day of travel and I just wanted some relaxation. As I was transferring at Otsuka anyway, I decided to pop out for a massage. I walked to the north east of the station and went into one of the many Korean massage places. I opted for the 70min ?12,000 akasuri course as I'd never tried it before. I was told I could switch girls for an extra ?1,000 - the price of choosing in person (本指名). The girl who I was given, however, was cute enough although kind of chubby, maybe a 6, but since I wasn't really looking for anything but a good massage, I didn't care.She started out with some massage on the table - laughing and swatting my hand away whenever I touched her ass or titties. Then she took me into the shower room, laid me out on a table and scrubbed me all over with a sort of abrasive glove. After that she washed me down and played with my cock a bit. Then she said let's go finish in the other room. She took me back to the first room laid me down, gave me a bit of a rubdown and then told me to wait while she took a shower. She came back into the room in a towel, took it off and climbed onto the massage bed with me. She rubbed her tits and her paipan pussy all over me and started to play with my cock. I asked if I could eat her pussy and she lay down on the bed. I ate her pussy until I was pretty horny then lubed it up for some sumata. I hadn't touched a girl all week, so I came pretty fast. But she wanted to get me off again, so she lay me on my back and started stroking my cock. Once she got it hard again, she started really going to work on it. She climbed on for some 69. Since I was taking a long time, we went for some FS. After I blew my load a second time, she took me back into the shower and washed me off. Then she gave me a hard massage for the last few minutes of my time, reminding me over and over again not to say anything and that honban is a no go. Slept like a baby, happy to be back in Japan.
Some of the mongering vocab that you may not find in the standard dictionaries:http://www.dch.jp/top/dictionary.html
Ginger 3443
12-08-09, 14:31
Xslikx,Do you have the name or site of the Otsuka one? It it Trinity?
Avoid Rui in JanJan she looks hot in the dark but up close she is like 50.Besides the one time I was with her she gave me Hepatitis.Since then I keep having flare ups
Wow - it seems you have bad luck - either getting chlamydia by BJ or Hep (A?, B?, C?) First off - its very difficult to get chlamydia by oral sex unless the chick is blowing you with cum from the last infected dick still in her mouth and the bacteria not yet succumbed to death by saliva.Secondly - I'd strongly suggest to any monger to make sure their Hep shots and boosters are up to date. Thats just common sense - and will serve well in Asia anyway as its a general cesspool everywhere. Staff never wash properly, food work areas are not santizied, etc. More likely you got Hep from eating Sushi or the local Ramen shop.
Avoid Rui in JanJan she looks hot in the dark but up close she is like 50.Besides the one time I was with her she gave me Hepatitis.Since then I keep having flare ups
Xslikx,Do you have the name or site of the Otsuka one? It it Trinity?Sorry, I don't know. The only Trinity I know is in Iidabashi. The place I went to in Otsuka is in the section to the north west of the station. It's above the BJ place called Sweets towards the end of the red light area (which, by the way, told me no gaijin are allowed). There are a ton of Korean places around here, all of which will take gaijin.
Tokyo Nampa King
12-10-09, 05:29
Wow - it seems you have bad luck - either getting chlamydia by BJ or Hep (A?, B?, C?) First off - its very difficult to get chlamydia by oral sex unless the chick is blowing you with cum from the last infected dick still in her mouth and the bacteria not yet succumbed to death by saliva.Actually there is always one or two posters here (and on other boards about the Tokyo Pink scene) who say this non-sense. Basically I think these people are affiliated with the other high priced, gaijin rip off places and they believe that by posting negative or say that they got a disease there then the people reading it will most likely migrate over to the over priced places. If you read this posters previous posts (and others like him) usually in the post history they are giving rave reviews about one of the other shops. Take it all with a grain of salt. Ive been to Jan Jan at least 20 times, never had an issue and always get a BBBJ with CIM.
OldAsiaHand
12-11-09, 10:47
Prices range from 4,000 to 6,000, depending on the time of day, which is more than JanJan but comparable to most pink salons. The places that I went to were in roughly these locations (which you can enter into Google Maps):Gaijin providers:(35.69575239971124, 139.81140285730362)A BJ alley, J-girl providers:(35.69512069201174, 139.81567561626434)XSlikx,I walked around for an hour but could not find the Gaijin BJ providers from the Google map. Some people told me it was across the main road in front of the station, others said on the same side. Anyway, I gave up.I did manage to find the BJ alley but it is not gaijin friendly anymore. One of the touts told me that it used to be but the policy was changed about 6 months ago. He asked me to wait outside while he went in and double checked.I was offered all kinds of FS in the area from 10k for Chinese to 15-20k for J-girls.OAH
Hello fellas, long time lurker here. Not adding a report as I have been out of the loop with the working ladies in the city. However, I came across the following on another site:Famed JAV actress Maria Ozawa (half-Japanese, half-Canadian) is now doing delivery health. Anyone else heard of this? Anyone willing to take one for the team? I'm considering it (assuming she or the agency allows gaijin clients).Site in Japanese: http://www.tora-ana.jp/detail.php?sn=393Sumimasen, if this is a repost.
Lurkingdog
12-12-09, 17:58
To everyone on the board. Thanks for your comments. I had my first trip to Tokyo and the information gleaned from this board was incredibly helpful. I have to say that this is NOT the easiest city to find things in and obviously a working knowledge of Japanese would go a long way. When I return, I will have to study harder to get more phases. I am half-Japanese so that helps initially but my lack of effective communication inhibits a lot of play time.First off, went to Super Girls. Definitely NOT gaijin friendly at present as has been noted in the past. I tried to talk to the tout who was polite but stated "Japanese only". I think I would have made it past if I could speak more.Decided to try to find Manohra for and Oily Thai massage. Despite what appeared to be pretty good directions, I wasn't able to find it at all (It's suppose to be on the Yaesu side of Tokyo station. After 30-45 minutes of just walking around and looking at address, I think I found the building but I couldn't find the actually establishment. In the place where Manohra was supposed to be there was an aromatherapy place. I went up to investigate and they were very nice. Two Japanese women were on. I paid for the 60 minute oil (7000 yen) and got a truly wonderful massage. I extended for another 30 minutes and ended up having a wonderfully relaxing HR. The masseuse was seemining reluctant to do it encouraging "self service" but in the end she delivered a great assist! After the massage was done, they offered me iced tea and I tried to improve my Japanese with them. I wasn't too successful but they were very nice about it (and I had the place to myself on a Saturday night!).After I left I went over to Shinjuku and to Kabukicho looking for Hinomaru. I wandered around again until a tout from Senegal stopped me to try to go to his club. I asked him about Hinomaru and surprisingly, he walked me through the Kabukicho area, stopping and asking the other touts where the club was. He delivered me to the club and the doorman was extremely friendly and there were no problems with my being gaijin. Had a wonderful BBBJCIM from a chunky but nice Japanese girls who really did a nice job trying to make me feel comfortable for 4K. I would highly recommend this place, however, I'm afraid I couldn't explain the directions. After this episode, the tout was waiting for me and I guess since he was so nice, I wandered to his club (club paradise or something like that) which was a hostess bar. He assured me all sort of things that of course didn't happen so I left after having dropped another 4K to visit the club. I should have followed everyone's advice but that's how it goes sometime.Leaving in the morning but will look forward to coming back. Thanks again to everyone for helping this monger out.LDEDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.
OldAsiaHand
12-13-09, 06:19
Hello fellas, long time lurker here. Not adding a report as I have been out of the loop with the working ladies in the city. However, I came across the following on another site:Famed JAV actress Maria Ozawa (half-Japanese, half-Canadian) is now doing delivery health. Anyone else heard of this? Anyone willing to take one for the team? I'm considering it (assuming she or the agency allows gaijin clients).Site in Japanese: http://www.tora-ana.jp/detail.php?sn=393Sumimasen, if this is a repost.Jpn Dude,Did you enquire about the price and gaijins? I would consider it myself.OAH
Jpn Dude,Did you enquire about the price and gaijins? I would consider it myself.OAHA quick look over the 'system' page, it looks like they aren't even publishing her price since she's 'diamond' level. It also looks like porn star Yoko, who has done some fine uncensored AV work, is providing at the same place:http://www.tora-ana.jp/detail.php?sn=322Her rates, as 'platinum', *ARE* published- 35K Yen for an hour. Pretty cheap for a porn star.
I'd be curious to hear what the "diamond" rates are. One could estimate the rates to be around 45,000 yen?
A quick look over the 'system' page, it looks like they aren't even publishing her price since she's 'diamond' level. It also looks like porn star Yoko, who has done some fine uncensored AV work, is providing at the same place:http://www.tora-ana.jp/detail.php?sn=322Her rates, as 'platinum', *ARE* published- 35K Yen for an hour. Pretty cheap for a porn star.
Evan Stoner
12-14-09, 02:26
Famed JAV actress Maria Ozawa (half-Japanese, half-Canadian) is now doing delivery health.This has been reported on (http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2009/11/14/maria-ozawa-other-acclaimed-av-actresses-on-auction-as-stagnation-sticks/). Given the strict conditions noted here for locals to have a shot at MO guess what our chances are?
A source says that once an asking price of 150,000 yen for 70 minutes with the actress appeared on the club?s Web page a flood of roughly 200 inquiries soon followed.Not that there would be any harm in trying.By the way, Tora No Ana is one of the deli-heru's that have been on my radar for a while. I mean to eventually try it, but until now Shinagawa Komachi and its sister shops have been enough. Anyone who goes for it let us know your results.ES
OldAsiaHand
12-14-09, 03:08
This has been reported on (http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2009/11/14/maria-ozawa-other-acclaimed-av-actresses-on-auction-as-stagnation-sticks/). Given the strict conditions noted here for locals to have a shot at MO guess what our chances are?Not that there would be any harm in trying.By the way, Tora No Ana is one of the deli-heru's that have been on my radar for a while. I mean to eventually try it, but until now Shinagawa Komachi and its sister shops have been enough. Anyone who goes for it let us know your results.ESES,I have only done a porn star once in New York. She was not a real famous star but did have quite a few starring roles under her belt. It cost me 1,000 US$ + 100 US$ to use a credit card for 2 hours. This was several years ago. I am sure prices have gone up.IMHO, there is no way that us normal mongers have a shot at MO. She can be and will be very selective about her clientele if it is not a scam and she is available at all.MO and her fame aside, I wonder where a non-Japanese speaking, gaijin, monger can get that same quality level. In my experience, I haven't seen/done anything close to that hot at AM, Club Boo or Nasty Dolls, for example. Do any of these deli-heru with top quality girls accept gaijin at all?Just my POV.OAH
ES, I wonder where a non-Japanese speaking, gaijin, monger can get that same quality level. In my experience, I haven't seen/done anything close to that hot at AM, Club Boo or Nasty Dolls, for example. Do any of these deli-heru with top quality girls accept gaijin at all?Just my POV.OAHHere is a list of girls all over Japan that have done AV work and are available for takeout. I would guess the over 30 would be likely to say yes to most paying customers, gaijin or not. Some superhot 20-somethings maybe less likely, but then again the are AV stars, not girls trying to make ends meet with a little evening DH work.Still, I expect you should have a fat wallet for the FS charge that will no doubt come.http://dh-jiten.com/galList/b3-11/
Here is a list of girls all over Japan that have done AV work and are available for takeout. I would guess the over 30 would be likely to say yes to most paying customers, gaijin or not. Some superhot 20-somethings maybe less likely, but then again the are AV stars, not girls trying to make ends meet with a little evening DH work.Still, I expect you should have a fat wallet for the FS charge that will no doubt come.http://dh-jiten.com/galList/b3-11/How much does it cost to call AV stars?THe pink bikini one looks very hot.
I talked to a tencho a few days ago at a hotel health in Shibuya. It was a slow time and he didn't mind chatting. I asked him about gaijin and he said there are a number of considerations. First, he said many of the ladies don't like us because we take too long, whereas most Japanese men finish their business quickly and move one. Gaijin tend to take their time and seem to be trying to prolong things while Japanese men are just going in to shoot their load and be done. Any spare time is left for chatting. I think many foreigners believe it is a macho thing to last a long time. In this business, you're trouble, you wear out the equipment, you cost valuable time and you create an uncertainty as to whether or not you'll finish. I think most of us can identify with this characteristic. Second, it's the language and reputation issue. Many foreigners have caused problems due to misunderstanding of the system, etc. Many have limited Japanese skills which makes explaining difficult or impossible. My Japanese is not great so I asked him about mine. He said mine is fine. Basically, you need what I call mid-level Japanese which means you don't need to be fluent in terms of conversation but you do need to be fluent in terms of understanding what is being said. He said that is an absolute requirement. You don't need to read kanji but you need to understand the rules. Third, he said we should not come around during busy times. It's just plain bad for business. This is common sense. Choose afternoons or mornings if they are open. Don't go at 9:00PM, for instance. Fourth, he said to come alone or with a Japanese friend. Do not come in with other foreigners. Put yourself in his place and I think this is easy to understand. It's intimidating and scary for him and his reaction is going to be to tell you all to go away.This pertains to hotel healths only in Tokyo. A regular health is a much tougher nut to crack in my experience, virtually impossible in some areas like Yokohama. I would be curious if anyone has had success with a health in Yokohama.
Chocha Monger
12-14-09, 21:02
I talked to a tencho a few days ago at a hotel health in Shibuya. It was a slow time and he didn't mind chatting. I asked him about gaijin and he said there are a number of considerations. First, he said many of the ladies don't like us because we take too long, whereas most Japanese men finish their business quickly and move one. Gaijin tend to take their time and seem to be trying to prolong things while Japanese men are just going in to shoot their load and be done. Any spare time is left for chatting. I think many foreigners believe it is a macho thing to last a long time. In this business, you're trouble, you wear out the equipment, you cost valuable time and you create an uncertainty as to whether or not you'll finish. Homer,You make some very good points. Unfortunately, cultural differences can make it very hard for Westerners mongering in Japan. In the West having a big dick and fucking for a long time before busting a nut is supposed to impress women. Manliness is measured in dick size and stamina. Japanese women with small pussies don't want to be worn out by a Western dick doped up on Viagra. They are not impressed by attempts at marathon fucking sessions. They appreciate men who just fuck and shoot their load within five to ten minutes. Poking their tight pussies as quickly as possible is seen as being considerate while rooting away for a long while is seen as being abusive.
Evan Stoner
12-14-09, 21:25
ES,I have only done a porn star once in New York. She was not a real famous star but did have quite a few starring roles under her belt. It cost me 1,000 US$ + 100 US$ to use a credit card for 2 hours. This was several years ago. I am sure prices have gone up.IMHO, there is no way that us normal mongers have a shot at MO. She can be and will be very selective about her clientele if it is not a scam and she is available at all.MO and her fame aside, I wonder where a non-Japanese speaking, gaijin, monger can get that same quality level. In my experience, I haven't seen/done anything close to that hot at AM, Club Boo or Nasty Dolls, for example. Do any of these deli-heru with top quality girls accept gaijin at all?Just my POV.OAHI have had good luck at Shinagawa Komachi and its sister shops:http://www.s-komachi.jp/http://www.sw-sp.jp/http://www.s-hana.jp/http://www.s-chaya.jp/Many of these girls are gravure/AV-level hot, and some are even gravure girls e.g. Aira (http://www.s-komachi.jp/profile_513.html) who I've had several times. I am a non-Asian foreigner but my Japanese is fluent. I have never gotten The Question over the phone ("お客様、外人さんですか？") although it is not 100% clear this is because they don't realize I am a foreigner or because they don't care. The great thing is, once you phone in an appointment and complete it successfully once, they recognize your number on subsequent calls and the level of due diligence on their part falls considerably. You can even schedule subsequent appointments via the web, further reducing the risk of getting caught out as a non-Japanese over the phone.I just noticed that you are asking from the POV of a non-Japanese speaking foreigner... unfortunately I think you have three chances: slim, none, and SOL. Sorry about that. As you can see in the article I linked to in my last post, it's not easy or cheap even for the locals.By the way, I happened to meet and fuck an ex-porn star on Japan Cupid. Her actress persona was 成瀬 雛 (http://actress.douhou.com/actress/7404.html). In the end not really my type, plus she was mad as a hatter.ES
My experiences totally contradict you. I'll leave it at that.
Homer,You make some very good points. Unfortunately, cultural differences can make it very hard for Westerners mongering in Japan. In the West having a big dick and fucking for a long time before busting a nut is supposed to impress women. Manliness is measured in dick size and stamina. Japanese women with small pussies don't want to be worn out by a Western dick doped up on Viagra. They are not impressed by attempts at marathon fucking sessions. They appreciate men who just fuck and shoot their load within five to ten minutes. Poking their tight pussies as quickly as possible is seen as being considerate while rooting away for a long while is seen as being abusive.
OldAsiaHand
12-15-09, 02:54
Here is a list of girls all over Japan that have done AV work and are available for takeout. I would guess the over 30 would be likely to say yes to most paying customers, gaijin or not. Some superhot 20-somethings maybe less likely, but then again the are AV stars, not girls trying to make ends meet with a little evening DH work.Still, I expect you should have a fat wallet for the FS charge that will no doubt come.http://dh-jiten.com/galList/b3-11/Lion,Thanks for the list. I am not necessarily interested in AV stars that can charge more for fame. I am interested in normal WGs of the same quality e.g. 8-10 range. IMHO, what is available from the gaijin friendly outcall providers (AM, Club Boo, Nasty Dolls) is only in the 5-7 range. Are there any 8-10s available for gaijins without paying crazy prices?OAH
Gaijin Otoko
12-15-09, 05:33
Homer,You make some very good points. Unfortunately, cultural differences can make it very hard for Westerners mongering in Japan. In the West having a big dick and fucking for a long time before busting a nut is supposed to impress women. Manliness is measured in dick size and stamina. Japanese women with small pussies don't want to be worn out by a Western dick doped up on Viagra. They are not impressed by attempts at marathon fucking sessions. They appreciate men who just fuck and shoot their load within five to ten minutes. Poking their tight pussies as quickly as possible is seen as being considerate while rooting away for a long while is seen as being abusive.I agree with what you wrote, with the caveat that the "short time" preference is much more common in working girls than in non-professional relationships. And I think this preference is common across cultures and borders. As the humorous (and accurate) old joke goes: "What's the difference between a hooker, a mistress, and a wife? The hooker says, 'will you finish soon?' the mistress says, 'what you finished already?' and the wife says, 'Yellow. I think I'll paint the ceiling yellow!'"
Oki Guy 09
12-15-09, 09:20
Went by Hinomaru today, thanks to all for the directions and recommendation.It's a little difficult to find, best advice I can give is find Seibu-Shinjuku station as that is on all the local maps then with your back to it looking at the main road walk left, walk a few hundred yards and you will see a kabukicho entrance with a red arched sign above the road, if you can see McDonalds down to the left you are looking the right direction.Walk down all the way to the end where you can either go left or right, you should see the Koban on the leftish, go right, then walk about 1 minute until you see a building with a white sign on the front that says "Ninja in New YOrk" 5F, its on the side of that building with a Japanese sign (White letters on Red) with a Japanese flag on the top of the sign.So anyway, went in paid Y4000 for 20 minutes, I spoke Japanese and asked if foreigners were ok and got a dozo. So went up the stairs, not offered a choice of girls, paid at the window and sat down.One other gaijin getting service, then Miu, think that was her name, arrived OK looking but probably late 30s, early 40s, she took her top down and left the dress around her waist then cleaned me up and got down to business. Excellent technique while I slipped my hand into her panties and she slowly built up until she got me off in about 15 minutes.She asked me to wait while she went to get cleaned up, but I got ready and was ready to go then, though if my Japanese was better I could have stayed for a chat a bit longer. She walked me to the door which was a nice touch then off I went.EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.
OldAsiaHand
12-15-09, 09:21
I am a non-Asian foreigner but my Japanese is fluent. I have never gotten The Question over the phone ("お客様、外人さんですか？") although it is not 100% clear this is because they don't realize I am a foreigner or because they don't care. The great thing is, once you phone in an appointment and complete it successfully once, they recognize your number on subsequent calls and the level of due diligence on their part falls considerably. You can even schedule subsequent appointments via the web, further reducing the risk of getting caught out as a non-Japanese over the phone.IMHO, I think too much emphasis is placed on language ability. I understand that guys that have mastered the Japanese language are very proud of it. Without pointing any fingers, I sense that bravado in some of the posts here e.g. "I am accepted but you are not." That said, I am nearly fluent in two other Asian languages but I always encourage those without language skills to go for it in those countries. They can usually manage to get laid with a pen and paper and some body language.
I just noticed that you are asking from the POV of a non-Japanese speaking foreigner... unfortunately I think you have three chances: slim, none, and SOL. Sorry about that. As you can see in the article I linked to in my last post, it's not easy or cheap even for the locals.IMHO, I believe the underlying reason for "Japanese Only" is primarily discrimination, plain and simple. It has nothing to do with language, "understanding the system." or big dongs and long sessions. Most Japanese men do not want their girls done by gaijin. And, when a WG has enough Japanese business, why challenge this. The older, less attractive gals have less choice. When my Japanese business associates take me out, it is nearly always a Filipina, Chinese or European girls club. Almost never a Japanese club. Telltale signs to support my theory.The same applies to a lesser extent in other Asian countries. Korea is virtually the same as Japan; China is somewhat more tolerant. On the other hand, Thailand and Philippines are nearly completely tolerant, altough there are still small segments of those markets that are still off limits to foreigners.Just my POV.OAH
Gaijin Otoko
12-15-09, 13:29
IMHO, I think too much emphasis is placed on language ability. I understand that guys that have mastered the Japanese language are very proud of it. Without pointing any fingers, I sense that bravado in some of the posts here e.g. "I am accepted but you are not." That said, I am nearly fluent in two other Asian languages but I always encourage those without language skills to go for it in those countries. They can usually manage to get laid with a pen and paper and some body language.IMHO, I believe the underlying reason for "Japanese Only" is primarily discrimination, plain and simple. It has nothing to do with language, "understanding the system." or big dongs and long sessions. Most Japanese men do not want their girls done by gaijin. And, when a WG has enough Japanese business, why challenge this. The older, less attractive gals have less choice. When my Japanese business associates take me out, it is nearly always a Filipina, Chinese or European girls club. Almost never a Japanese club. Telltale signs to support my theory.While there are a lot of things that OAH says that I agree with, I think that the picture has some subtle, but important, differences.It is worth noting that in living memory (although that living memory is quickly fading), there was a time in Japanese history when the majority of servicing that was going on was of American servicemen, and not Japanese. This must have been a huge blow to the Japanese collective psyche (no pun intended), because prior to that, they were an island people who had never had their island invaded. As a professor of mine liked to say, "if you take a people and shut them away from the world for 250 years and browbeat them by despots, they are bound to grow up strange." Simply dismissing it as prejudice is overly simplistic.There certainly is some element of boasting to the "I speak Japanese and you don't" mentality, but I think that it also addresses the fact that the Japanese see themselves not only as unique, but uniquely unique, and hence the shut off a lot of their culture to outsiders. There are some areas of Japanese culture that a foreigner will never be allowed to penetrate (again, unintentional pun), but I can tell you from personal experience that there is a feeling of accomplishment in getting "in the club." And this feeling extends far beyond P4P. Japan is a large "members only" club, and I am quite sure that fact is a large part of its appeal.
Evan Stoner
12-15-09, 15:03
IMHO, I believe the underlying reason for "Japanese Only" is primarily discrimination, plain and simple.Basically I agree. What I am saying is the slim chance a fluent-Japanese foreigner has of getting one of these high-demand girls is basically reduced to nil for someone who has no language ability. It's not simply a matter of making yourself understood; it's also a matter of getting the shop to believe that because you know the language pretty well, you might also understand the culture a little bit and be able to follow the rules.ES
Evan Stoner
12-15-09, 15:14
I always encourage those without language skills to go for itSo do I -- see my posts on nampa. No one here is saying don't try (well, some are, but they seem mostly concerned that a certain element might 'ruin it for the rest of us' -- with some cause for such concern). Most of the guys sending the message that language ability is an asset in this game are trying to be helpful. If it sounds like boasting, well in some cases it probably is, but generally it's simply a reflection of the facts of the situation. Deal with it or, if you can't, perhaps it's time to hit the books?ES
I talked to a tencho a few days ago at a hotel health in Shibuya. Should I assume that hotel health is not the spa in a hotel?
I Fail At Nanpa
12-15-09, 22:05
This pertains to hotel healths only in Tokyo. A regular health is a much tougher nut to crack in my experience, virtually impossible in some areas like Yokohama. I would be curious if anyone has had success with a health in Yokohama.I think this has a lot to do with the visibility factor. When you go in for a regular health you'll be seen by Japanese customers either waiting for service or entering a room to get service. With hotel health on the other hand you're less likely to be seen by Japanese customers.I've tried a few and the only regular health I was able to enter was ucla little bear in ikebukuro. Other ones simply say no gaijin. This one time I went with a Japanese friend to shibuya and we tried to get into a few. First one said no and wouldn't budge. Second one said no initially, then my friend said I was half-Japanese (my Japanese is fluent) so the tencho said OK. But there was only one girl available (it was around 8-9am). Funny thing is the tencho had dyed blonde hair and blue contacts. He looked more gaijin than me. Eventually we ended up in a hotel health where again tencho said no gaijin, my friend again whipped up the "he's half" line, and tencho was OK with that.Probably won't work for a gaijin alone. But if you're fluent and coming with a Japanese friend at an off-hour I have a feeling saying you're half will get you into a lot of places. Don't abuse this.
Should I assume that hotel health is not the spa in a hotel?No, it's not the spa in the hotel. They can be found almost anywhere where you can find regular fuzoku establishments. It's a type of store where they send you to a hotel room with a girl. Generally, you wait around until they call you, then they introduce you to the girl and you walk to the hotel room together. However it's not uncommon to be given directions to the hotel, and after checking in, they'll send the girl to you. The latter type is invariably requires the ability to speak Japanese, obviously because they have to be able to give you directions to the hotel.
They have enough English on the site to suggest they might accept Japanese-speaking foreigners. She speaks English, so once she turned up at least you'd have no problem. I'd bet she'd go for 50,000 or more per hour, though. Probably more like jyu-man, about 1,200 AUS$. Maybe more? Not cheap, but it would be something to remember.The question is, is this for real?
Hello fellas, long time lurker here. Not adding a report as I have been out of the loop with the working ladies in the city. However, I came across the following on another site:Famed JAV actress Maria Ozawa (half-Japanese, half-Canadian) is now doing delivery health. Anyone else heard of this? Anyone willing to take one for the team? I'm considering it (assuming she or the agency allows gaijin clients).Site in Japanese: http://www.tora-ana.jp/detail.php?sn=393Sumimasen, if this is a repost.
Went by Hinomaru today, thanks to all for the directions and recommendation.It's a little difficult to find, best advice I can give is find Seibu-Shinjuku station as that is on all the local maps then with your back to it looking at the main road walk left, walk a few hundred yards and you will see a kabukicho entrance with a red arched sign above the road, if you can see McDonalds down to the left you are looking the right direction.Walk down all the way to the end where you can either go left or right, you should see the Koban on the leftish, go right, then walk about 1 minute until you see a building with a white sign on the front that says "Ninja in New YOrk" 5F, its on the side of that building with a Japanese sign (White letters on Red) with a Japanese flag on the top of the sign.So anyway, went in paid Y4000 for 20 minutes, I spoke Japanese and asked if foreigners were ok and got a dozo. So went up the stairs, not offered a choice of girls, paid at the window and sat down.One other gaijin getting service, then Miu, think that was her name, arrived OK looking but probably late 30s, early 40s, she took her top down and left the dress around her waist then cleaned me up and got down to business. Excellent technique while I slipped my hand into her panties and she slowly built up until she got me off in about 15 minutes.She asked me to wait while she went to get cleaned up, but I got ready and was ready to go then, though if my Japanese was better I could have stayed for a chat a bit longer. She walked me to the door which was a nice touch then off I went.EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.Hey man, I think we saw each other over there yesterday. Glad you like it. It was my first time there. Tenchu insisted me to go with the 40mins 8k yen. Maybe I look too much like japanese. But I still go with the 4k. Chatted with the girl a little bit.
I have not mastered Japanese but I can get by. The bravado you're pointing out is real but the requirement for Japanese ability is also real. Basically, if you can't understand the rules your chances of success are greatly reduced, usually approaching zero. For instance, I can't read menus very well at these places. I study the website before going but I'm at a severe disadvantage if they give me a menu in kanji. Hiragana and Katakana are no problem but Kanji is difficult and my writing is pretty terrible if they give me a clipboard to fill out. DH is totally off-limits for me, I just don't have the conversational skills to pull it off over the phone. I usually have a Japanese drinking buddy do the calling for me in this case.
IMHO, I think too much emphasis is placed on language ability. I understand that guys that have mastered the Japanese language are very proud of it. Without pointing any fingers, I sense that bravado in some of the posts here e.g. "I am accepted but you are not." That said, I am nearly fluent in two other Asian languages but I always encourage those without language skills to go for it in those countries. They can usually manage to get laid with a pen and paper and some body language.OAH
I'm a very persistent guy when it comes to getting in at a Japanese health. I'm not talking about a Chinese esute which will usually take anyone. Before my Japanese got better, I tried and tried and tried some more and then I tried and tried again. I had an extremely high failure rate at the time. One reason is that I couldn't speak basic Japanese in a confident manner. Limited success would drive me on and as my Japanese got better my success rate got higher. I quickly figured out that night time mongering during busy periods is also a losing proposition. Most of my success (and the free time I have) is on an early afternoon on weekends. After about 4:30 or so it starts getting busy and prospects become less and less. If I were to count up my failures vs successes I would probably estimate 50:1 (for new Japanese places I've inquired at). In the old days, I would go to NK and try at least 30-40 Japanese healths and fail. I could always go to a Chinese place but that was not what I was looking for. I can usually have a 10:1 success rate now (on new places I've not tried) because I can read the websites and usually figure out if there is any chance of success before I try. This take a great deal of perseverance and frustration to overcome. It's not easy but I enjoy the challenge, especially if I'm not that horny and can take it or leave it.The key is, when I find a place is to establish myself, at least until the management changes and I'm refused service. That means getting a membership or point card and not losing it. It means slipping out quickly after saying goodbye and going along with the program. It's a lot of hassle but I find it worthwhile.
So do I -- see my posts on nampa. No one here is saying don't try (well, some are, but they seem mostly concerned that a certain element might 'ruin it for the rest of us' -- with some cause for such concern). Most of the guys sending the message that language ability is an asset in this game are trying to be helpful. If it sounds like boasting, well in some cases it probably is, but generally it's simply a reflection of the facts of the situation. Deal with it or, if you can't, perhaps it's time to hit the books?ES
I have not mastered Japanese but I can get by. The bravado you're pointing out is real but the requirement for Japanese ability is also real. Basically, if you can't understand the rules your chances of success are greatly reduced, usually approaching zero. For instance, I can't read menus very well at these places. I study the website before going but I'm at a severe disadvantage if they give me a menu in kanji. Hiragana and Katakana are no problem but Kanji is difficult and my writing is pretty terrible if they give me a clipboard to fill out. DH is totally off-limits for me, I just don't have the conversational skills to pull it off over the phone. I usually have a Japanese drinking buddy do the calling for me in this case.I'll agree with his statement. I probably am a bit on the arrogant side since I have a decent success rate, but I am going to agree, your success rate goes up as your Japanese goes up. I can't tell you how many places have sat me down and tossed some rather difficult Japanese at me to make sure I knew Japanese and not just a few key phrases. Now, that doesn't mean you shouldn't try, but there are many places that will reject you simply for logistical reasons. As for Homer's seemingly low success rate, well, I don't have a rejection rate quite that low. I can usually find a place that will service me in about 3 to 4 tries. However, part of the reason is that I will usually ask for some help being pointed in the right direction. There have been several instances where the store actually made a few calls and then had an employee walk me over to the store. Obviously most stores aren't this nice, and I've had a few incidents where they were practically pushing me out the front. If the stores don't help me, there might be a few touts that will. Granted with touts you need to be careful. There are many horror stories with them.
IMHO, I think too much emphasis is placed on language ability. I understand that guys that have mastered the Japanese language are very proud of it. Without pointing any fingers, I sense that bravado in some of the posts here e.g. "I am accepted but you are not." That said, I am nearly fluent in two other Asian languages but I always encourage those without language skills to go for it in those countries. They can usually manage to get laid with a pen and paper and some body language.The number of establishments that provide in house services is shrinking and a lot are hotel health or delivery health. A lot of places now do not advertise an office but tell you to call from the station and they direct you to the office and then a love hotel or directly to love hotel. You then have to phone and let them know where you are and the room number. I'm no good on the phone in either English or Japanese :(Of course if you can just walk into a in house parlour then that's different then generally good social skills might win out, but in my experience less common these days.
Basementcello
12-16-09, 22:33
Well said! For the businessmen, newcomer and the short term visitor to Japan, I feel for you. When I first came to japan, I spoke not a lick of Japanese which left me few options. It was either try to pick up English speaking girls in gaijin bars, as the other foreign hyenas circled close by, salivating over the same prey. Or, it was calling up the safe options like AM, which was sometimes ok, but was usually expensive. But being bold and taking a few risks can pay off - hit different bars, talk to girls on the street, walk into more places, enlist a Japanese friend. Maybe you can get him to claim he represents you, a famous diplomat/rock star/F1 driver, to get Maria Ozawa to visit your room!For the guys resident here who can't speak J-go, just a bit of conversation practice opens new doors. I just took an hour lesson every week in a language school, and in 6 months I could order girls over the phone and had picked up a couple of girls who couldn't speak any English. Not to mention I became able to live properly in this country and take control of my life. I enjoyed my lessons I can now read most everyday things short of a newspaper. Point is, yeah I'm proud I can now speak Japanese - I won't ever be one of the Japan club and don't want to be, but I can now plunder more of their natural resources! Time to go back to school?
I have not mastered Japanese but I can get by. The bravado you're pointing out is real but the requirement for Japanese ability is also real. Basically, if you can't understand the rules your chances of success are greatly reduced, usually approaching zero. For instance, I can't read menus very well at these places. I study the website before going but I'm at a severe disadvantage if they give me a menu in kanji. Hiragana and Katakana are no problem but Kanji is difficult and my writing is pretty terrible if they give me a clipboard to fill out. DH is totally off-limits for me, I just don't have the conversational skills to pull it off over the phone. I usually have a Japanese drinking buddy do the calling for me in this case.
My low rates for for Japanese healths only. These are the highest class places that are licensed and the ladies have regular medical examinations. The prices reflect this and are usually something like Y14000 for 40 minutes. They are nothing like esute which are not licensed and the ladies are not checked out regularly. For me, these are an extremely nut to crack, but not so tough as the soaps in Kawasaki where I am 0:100000. I don't know what it is but I have had no luck there and don't even waste time trying anymore. Ditto for the healths in Kawasaki. I've only had success at esute and the booths when they were open in Kawasaki.
As for Homer's seemingly low success rate, well, I don't have a rejection rate quite that low. I can usually find a place that will service me in about 3 to 4 tries. However, part of the reason is that I will usually ask for some help being pointed in the right direction. There have been several instances where the store actually made a few calls and then had an employee walk me over to the store. Obviously most stores aren't this nice, and I've had a few incidents where they were practically pushing me out the front. If the stores don't help me, there might be a few touts that will. Granted with touts you need to be careful. There are many horror stories with them.
OldAsiaHand
12-17-09, 08:10
So do I -- see my posts on nampa. No one here is saying don't try (well, some are, but they seem mostly concerned that a certain element might 'ruin it for the rest of us' -- with some cause for such concern). Most of the guys sending the message that language ability is an asset in this game are trying to be helpful. If it sounds like boasting, well in some cases it probably is, but generally it's simply a reflection of the facts of the situation. Deal with it or, if you can't, perhaps it's time to hit the books?ESES,Although I would love to learn Japanese for my business, I don't find it absolutely necessary since I do not live in Japan. I only visit 6-7 times a year. That said, I have learned the languages in the Asian countries I have lived in; Thailand and China.From a mongering perspective, it seems that even with the language ability, hit rates are still quite low and frustration quite high.I have tried most of the gaijin friendly places usually posted on this forum, AM, Club Boo, Nasty Dolls outcall, Jan Jan in Sugamo, New York, New York, Champs Elyse in Ueno, Kawasaki booths when they were going, Tobita in Osaka and a couple other soaps and Pink Salons in various places, etc. And, I've had my share of Nampa. I have never managed DH. I tried to get a Japanese friend to call a couple for me one time without success.My dilemna is that when I look at some of the websites that are not usually gaijin friendly, I realize that what I am getting is the "bottom of the barrel" so to speak. For example, guys here rave about AM. Don't get me wrong, I have always (with one exception) had good service from pleasant girls but IMHO the girls are 5-7 at best. And, the pictures always look better than the real thing. I remember one girl that must have gained at least 20 lbs. For 35,000, I reckon I should do better than that. What I would like to hear is some advice from the resident mongers here where I can get better quality for similar money without having to learn Japanese. From the websites that have been posted here, I can manage to tell the prices without Japanese. Most are cheaper than the gaijin friendly providers for younger, better looking girls. It does not have to be an AV star. I don't care about the fame. I don't care if they can speak English.Are you guys telling me that it is absolutely impossible without speaking the language? OAHP.S. I am only interested in J-girls. I have access to others in my travels. I always find that the quality and service is better on their home turf.
OldAsiaHand
12-17-09, 08:26
A Japanese customer of mine is always telling me that "many years ago" he used to take all his foreign suppliers to Kawasaki to get laid.OAH
Iceachilles
12-17-09, 16:06
I'm headed for Japan for layover. I'll be there for 20 hours and was wondering if anyone can recommend a place. I am an asian but don't speak or read japanese. thus, I'm not even sure how to communicate with japanese speaking people. thus, if there is anyone that can recommend anything, that would be for the best.
I always to go Kawasaki alone. My friends won't go there. They still think it's the dirty place it was during the Bubble. I am sure if I had a Japanese friend go with me it would not be so much of a problem. My hit rate in Yoshiwara is pretty decent, albeit at a much higher price. It's the same thing (soapland) with the same polite touts out front but there is just no luck when I go by myself to Kawasaki.
A Japanese customer of mine is always telling me that "many years ago" he used to take all his foreign suppliers to Kawasaki to get laid.OAHWith learning the language you also learn the nuance of the cultural norms expected. This is often more important. You learn about when and how to use very polite Japanese. I found when I used normal Japanese I had a high failure rate. When I started using polite Japanese my rate went up. My main problem is with Healths. To me, they are at the top of the food chain in terms of quality of Japanese ladies and choice. They are strictly get-em-in-get-em-out operations (hence, the short session times and relatively high price) and are often smoky and a little dirty but the quality of the ladies is pretty good.Regarding looking at websites, I have spent many hundreds of hours doing this sort of prep work. I don't just head out to Shimbashi or Okachimachi unarmed. I have a list and a plan. For instance, in Okachimachi where the density is very high I can hit 30 places in an hour or less. They are all clustered together in two main areas, some of them clustered in the same building.Most of the time, I have a plan for failure, using ending in a bath at Champs with an older woman who I've already vetted or I head across town for a painful massage at Asian Feeling. Both provide relief at the end which is often good enough after the frustration of rejection. Note that this is a time-consuming proposition and I usually burn 3 hours on a Saturday afternoon doing this sort of activity.I think a lot of guys here just want the magic bullet. Cheap FS with a young, cute Japanese lady. Well, let me tell you, that doesn't exist anywhere, especially if you don't have much Japanese skill.Cheap FS with a not so young, average looking Chinese lady is available, easily and conveniently, usually with minimal or no Japanese skill.Figure it out. CB and AM provide almost what you are looking for but at a steep price. They can command that price because you can't speak Japanese. You are basically paying for an invisible interpreter, who happens to be built into the tencho and lady. If you needed an invisible interpreter to accompany you, how much would you have to pay that person to work for you? CB and AM are simply providing this invisible interpreter. I would figure 1-man to 1.5-man for this service if I hired a professional interpreter.
ES,From a mongering perspective, it seems that even with the language ability, hit rates are still quite low and frustration quite high.I have tried most of the gaijin friendly places usually posted on this forum, AM, Club Boo, Nasty Dolls outcall, Jan Jan in Sugamo, New York, New York, Champs Elyse in Ueno, Kawasaki booths when they were going, Tobita in Osaka and a couple other soaps and Pink Salons in various places, etc. And, I've had my share of Nampa. I have never managed DH. I tried to get a Japanese friend to call a couple for me one time without success.My dilemna is that when I look at some of the websites that are not usually gaijin friendly, I realize that what I am getting is the "bottom of the barrel" so to speak. For example, guys here rave about AM. Don't get me wrong, I have always (with one exception) had good service from pleasant girls but IMHO the girls are 5-7 at best. And, the pictures always look better than the real thing. I remember one girl that must have gained at least 20 lbs. For 35,000, I reckon I should do better than that. What I would like to hear is some advice from the resident mongers here where I can get better quality for similar money without having to learn Japanese. From the websites that have been posted here, I can manage to tell the prices without Japanese. Most are cheaper than the gaijin friendly providers for younger, better looking girls. It does not have to be an AV star. I don't care about the fame. I don't care if they can speak English.Are you guys telling me that it is absolutely impossible without speaking the language? OAHP.S. I am only interested in J-girls. I have access to others in my travels. I always find that the quality and service is better on their home turf.
My low rates for for Japanese healths only. These are the highest class places that are licensed and the ladies have regular medical examinations. The prices reflect this and are usually something like Y14000 for 40 minutes I'm shooting for the same places. I've only been in a Chinese Estute a few times, and that was when I was figuring out these places.
Are you guys telling me that it is absolutely impossible without speaking the language? A quick run through of what I've gotten in Japan. The cheapest FS from a Japanese girl I've ever gotten was 16,000 yen for an hour. She was young, but was a 6 at best, more likely a 5 actually (dim lighting). This came with a hotel room and there was no upselling at all.The cheapest FS I've gotten from a top quality Japanese girl is 20,000 yen for 80 minutes. Normally you have to pay a nomination fee of 2000, but you can get out of that in various ways. Also there was a hotel room fee of 2000 yen (provided through the store), but this can be dropped if the store has a special, or possibly some sort of time service. Anyways the total damage is about 20,000 to 24,000 yen for 80 minutes. Again, no up selling.You can find stores with similar price models to the ones above almost anywhere in major cities, but I have never been to one where they didn't confirm I spoke Japanese. I'm not going to say you can't find a place similar to these that will also take in non-Japanese speaking foreigners, but I have never been to one. Honestly though, you'll have better chances in the nampa scene.Again, that's not to say it's impossible as a monger to find top-quality girls, but at this point we're talking about high-quality soaps which cost quite a bit.
OldAsiaHand
12-18-09, 05:11
Gentlemen,Thanks for the feedback. I guess I can make the assumption that it is impossible for me to find high quality, younger, J-girls.Kawasaki: I managed one soapland there. A tout called me in and showed me pictures. There was one girl only that would accept gaijin. I asked about the others and he kept saying no and pointing to the one picture. I paid 15k for 50 minutes. Last time I was there, most of the booths with the Koreans, Chinese, Thai girls were closed. Have they reopened?Chinese estutes: I live in China so I am not interested. Most of the Chinese girls I see in Japan would not be able to get any customers in China or would be standing in front of a hovel for 30 RMB ST (400 JPY). There may be better quality available but I have not looked that much.Prices for J-girls: The cheapest FS I've had is 11k for 15 minutes in Tobita. The most expensive is AM at 35k for 2 hours. BTW, I pay 5k per hour for an interpreter. Nampa: I have had limited success at this, but it takes time which I do not always have and often it is difficult for me to plan ahead.Soaplands: So where are these "high-quality soaps that cost quite a bit"? How much are we talking about?OAH
Ever since NK got shutdown, it is very difficult to get FS from a Japanese lady without going to a soapland which is going to be quite expensive. It's not difficult because of a lack of Japanese skill, either, it's just plain difficult even for native Japanese to get cheap FS with a young attractive lady.Young, cute Japanese ladies do not consider themselves hardcore prostitutes (i.e. offering FS). Offering FS to them is hardcore prostitution and mostly illegal except for at soaps because of the way the law is written.Come to think about it, I can't think of anywhere you can get cheap FS from a young, cute Japanese lady. It really doesn't exist. Perhaps the soaps in Kawasaki or Yokohama (Y15K-Y20K, if you call that cheap) but those are mostly closed off to all but native Japanese.I talked to a Japanese friend about this. He doesn't know anywhere he can go and pay for this. He told me to work on my nampa.
Gentlemen,Thanks for the feedback. I guess I can make the assumption that it is impossible for me to find high quality, younger, J-girls.Kawasaki: I managed one soapland there. A tout called me in and showed me pictures. There was one girl only that would accept gaijin. I asked about the others and he kept saying no and pointing to the one picture. I paid 15k for 50 minutes. Last time I was there, most of the booths with the Koreans, Chinese, Thai girls were closed. Have they reopened?Chinese estutes: I live in China so I am not interested. Most of the Chinese girls I see in Japan would not be able to get any customers in China or would be standing in front of a hovel for 30 RMB ST (400 JPY). There may be better quality available but I have not looked that much.Prices for J-girls: The cheapest FS I've had is 11k for 15 minutes in Tobita. The most expensive is AM at 35k for 2 hours. BTW, I pay 5k per hour for an interpreter. Nampa: I have had limited success at this, but it takes time which I do not always have and often it is difficult for me to plan ahead.Soaplands: So where are these "high-quality soaps that cost quite a bit"? How much are we talking about?OAH
Gaijin Otoko
12-18-09, 13:24
Young, cute Japanese ladies do not consider themselves hardcore prostitutes (i.e. offering FS). Offering FS to them is hardcore prostitution and mostly illegal except for at soaps because of the way the law is written.Small point: FS for pay is illegal everywhere in Japan, including in soaps. The difference with soaps is that the girls who work there are technically independent contractors who are just contracting the space and purchasing supplies from the soapland. Therefore if the cops come in and bust the joint, the owners have a legal argument to hide behind. Of course the reality, which is a larger issue, is that the legal code really doesn't mean anything in Japan, because it is interpreted and applied based on the actors involved. As someone smarter than me once said, "Japan is a country of customs, not laws." So FS has been illegal since April 1, 1958, but the reality is that soaplands are allowed to offer FS, and others aren't for complex and convoluted reasons that have no bearing on the law.
I Fail At Nanpa
12-18-09, 15:05
Hey man, I think we saw each other over there yesterday. Glad you like it. It was my first time there. Tenchu insisted me to go with the 40mins 8k yen. Maybe I look too much like japanese. But I still go with the 4k. Chatted with the girl a little bit.That's funny. I was there the same day too! (seriously)
Azure Knight
12-18-09, 16:22
They have enough English on the site to suggest they might accept Japanese-speaking foreigners. She speaks English, so once she turned up at least you'd have no problem. I'd bet she'd go for 50,000 or more per hour, though. Probably more like jyu-man, about 1,200 AUS$. Maybe more? Not cheap, but it would be something to remember.The question is, is this for real?I called them up a few days ago. I speak fluent Japanese, but after only a few sentences the guy figured out that I wasn't Japanese and gave me the whole "Sorry, no foreigners" bit.So, you'd have to have a pocket full of cash and REALLY good Japanese to even have a shot at this.
OldAsiaHand
12-18-09, 16:48
Come to think about it, I can't think of anywhere you can get cheap FS from a young, cute Japanese lady. It really doesn't exist. Perhaps the soaps in Kawasaki or Yokohama (Y15K-Y20K, if you call that cheap) but those are mostly closed off to all but native Japanese. Homer69,Where did you guys get the idea that I wanted cheap FS? I am willing to pay the going price if it is available.OAH
Homer69,Where did you guys get the idea that I wanted cheap FS? I am willing to pay the going price if it is available.OAHhttp://www.y-playgirl.nethttp://www.y-tokubetu.netThese are two soaps that will take in foreigners (it says so in their FAQ). Their prices say 20,000 each, but you multiply that by 3 to get the the real price and then you add another 10,000 for the Gaijin service fee. The total comes out to 70,000 yen for 100 minutes, you might get them to toss the Gaijin fee though, but that's up to you. Not cheap by any means, but these girls are probably the girls you're looking for. I'd recommend tokubetsu over playgirl though, but only because I haven't been to playgirl, but I've been to tokubetsu many times and the girls always looked stunning.Now, a quick note, I'm sure there are cheaper soaps that will take non-Japanese speaking foreigners that ALSO have the girls you want. It's just a matter of footwork.
Gaijin Otoko
12-18-09, 22:47
http://www.y-playgirl.nethttp://www.y-tokubetu.netThese are two soaps that will take in foreigners (it says so in their FAQ). Just a point. Tokubetsu on their website specifically says that they DON'T take foreign customers. Glad to hear you have gotten past that barrier.From their FAQ. Q5.外国の方の利用は可能でしょうか? ご利用頂けません。
Azure Knight
12-19-09, 03:18
I'm a little late to this party, but I wanted to chime in a bit.
I asked him about gaijin and he said there are a number of considerations. First, he said many of the ladies don't like us because we take too long, whereas most Japanese men finish their business quickly and move one....I have chatted up numerous tencho/mamasan, and triple that amount of girls over the years. Of course, the information tends to vary across the board depending on who I talk to, but compiling everything together this is what I've found.The main reason why we foreigners get turned away is because we attract too much attention. The sex industry operates under a very precarious balance with law enforcement - don't make waves, and we'll look the other way. We foreigners attract attention simply because we are foreign. And while shops don't know about the ISG specifically, they have a general idea that if they begin regularly accepting foreigners that quite a few will turn up.So if foreigners start frequenting a shop in decent number, that brings attention to the shop, and the police would have to step in. Your occasional 10,000 yen isn't worth the risk of getting closed down.Then after that, its the communication problem, and fear that you don't know the system. If you cause problems, there's no way to settle it, and it again risks bringing attention to the shop. The girls do put themselves in a vulnerable position every time they are with a customer, and you not being able to communicate with them just makes them extra nervous. The risks outweigh the potential benefits.Then there is the stamina issue. But this is really mostly for the girls, the tencho don't really care as long as the girl can continue to work. They are a lot stronger than most people give them credit for (after all, this is their profession) but if you are a big guy and have lots of stamina then that can cause problems.And then after that there's the stuff like racism, STD fear, et al.The key is to show them that you are very low risk. They're not above taking your money if they feel safe about it. Japanese language ability helps a lot of course, but I have seen a guy navigate an area where I only have about 10% success ratio, with about 60% success or better. He didn't say a word, he just let everyone there know that he knew what was up - no need to worry about him, just take his money.I've been thinking about writing up a small p4p guide for a few months, maybe I should?
Just a point. Tokubetsu on their website specifically says that they DON'T take foreign customers. Glad to hear you have gotten past that barrier.From their FAQ. Q5.外国の方の利用は可能でしょうか? ご利用頂けません。They must have changed their policy since I last went there. I went there about 3 months ago, so they must have changed their policy during that time. That or I've been reading that wrong the whole time, but the former seems more likely as a few others on this forum have also been there.
I've been thinking about writing up a small p4p guide for a few months, maybe I should?You should. (thumbs up)
OldAsiaHand
12-19-09, 05:40
http://www.y-playgirl.nethttp://www.y-tokubetu.netThese are two soaps that will take in foreigners (it says so in their FAQ). Their prices say 20,000 each, but you multiply that by 3 to get the the real price and then you add another 10,000 for the Gaijin service fee. The total comes out to 70,000 yen for 100 minutes, you might get them to toss the Gaijin fee though, but that's up to you. Not cheap by any means, but these girls are probably the girls you're looking for. I'd recommend tokubetsu over playgirl though, but only because I haven't been to playgirl, but I've been to tokubetsu many times and the girls always looked stunning.Now, a quick note, I'm sure there are cheaper soaps that will take non-Japanese speaking foreigners that ALSO have the girls you want. It's just a matter of footwork.Zcorps,Thanks for the recommendations. I noted the following English comment on Playgirl's website:＊The visitor of the foreigner comes back to the index page, and please watch deficit guidance.Do you know what it means? I could not find any index page.Also, what do you get for the 20k basic charge for 110 minutes?"OAH
OldAsiaHand
12-19-09, 05:49
I'm a little late to this party, but I wanted to chime in a bit.I have chatted up numerous tencho/mamasan, and triple that amount of girls over the years. Of course, the information tends to vary across the board depending on who I talk to, but compiling everything together this is what I've found.The main reason why we foreigners get turned away is because we attract too much attention. The sex industry operates under a very precarious balance with law enforcement - don't make waves, and we'll look the other way. We foreigners attract attention simply because we are foreign. And while shops don't know about the ISG specifically, they have a general idea that if they begin regularly accepting foreigners that quite a few will turn up.So if foreigners start frequenting a shop in decent number, that brings attention to the shop, and the police would have to step in. Your occasional 10,000 yen isn't worth the risk of getting closed down.Then after that, its the communication problem, and fear that you don't know the system. If you cause problems, there's no way to settle it, and it again risks bringing attention to the shop. The girls do put themselves in a vulnerable position every time they are with a customer, and you not being able to communicate with them just makes them extra nervous. The risks outweigh the potential benefits.Then there is the stamina issue. But this is really mostly for the girls, the tencho don't really care as long as the girl can continue to work. They are a lot stronger than most people give them credit for (after all, this is their profession) but if you are a big guy and have lots of stamina then that can cause problems.And then after that there's the stuff like racism, STD fear, et al.The key is to show them that you are very low risk. They're not above taking your money if they feel safe about it. Japanese language ability helps a lot of course, but I have seen a guy navigate an area where I only have about 10% success ratio, with about 60% success or better. He didn't say a word, he just let everyone there know that he knew what was up - no need to worry about him, just take his money.I've been thinking about writing up a small p4p guide for a few months, maybe I should?Azure Knight,This is a good summation of the rationale in China, as well, except the language is not a big issue. They could care less if you can communicate. If there were any trouble, a couple of thugs would show up fast to show you the way out. That said, racism also plays a big part. Many local Chinese punters don't like to do girls that do foreigners so it can affect their business if it gets out of hand.Just my POV.OAH
Zcorps,Thanks for the recommendations. I noted the following English comment on Playgirl's website:＊The visitor of the foreigner comes back to the index page, and please watch deficit guidance.Do you know what it means? I could not find any index page.Also, what do you get for the 20k basic charge for 110 minutes?"OAHIt's not 20k, it's 70k. The basic fee is the room rental or something, another 20k for the girl directly, another 20k for something else, and 10k for the Gaijin fee. Japanese people pay 60k for this service fyi. You get FS for this price. First it starts out with a mandatory bath, then they'll probably give you a smokejob. Then some mat play, the girls covers you and her in a thick lube, and she starts massaging you with her body and than transitions into another bj followed by some covered FS. After that you'll probably get more FS if you can manage it. If you search red tube for japanese massage, you're basically getting that. It's a unique experience for sure.I just noticed, playgirl has an "English" site. http://www.y-playgirl.net/e/ It's really a crappy English site, but there it is. Lists some basic information you need. Considering that crappy English page, you should be able to get in no problem.
Homer69,Where did you guys get the idea that I wanted cheap FS? I am willing to pay the going price if it is available.OAHI got it from the quote that follows. It sounded like you were looking for something cheap. If the most expensive you've found is 35K then that sounds cheap. To get a top flight young cute Japanese lady you're probably going to have to go to a soap and pay double that.
Gentlemen,Prices for J-girls: The cheapest FS I've had is 11k for 15 minutes in Tobita. The most expensive is AM at 35k for 2 hours. BTW, I pay 5k per hour for an interpreter. OAH
Nakameguro97
12-19-09, 11:20
I am only interested in J-girls. I have access to others in my travels. I always find that the quality and service is better on their home turf.Have you gone to Shibuya Grimpeur yet?http://www.s-grimpeur.jp/They will limit your choices as a foreigner, but even then, they are usually very good. I tried Rina today:http://www.s-grimpeur.jp/index.php?action=girlprofile&id=1112She is better looking than her pictures, and I am a picky bastard. Here are my ratings for 45 min:Looks: 9.5 (pretty face, great T&A, perfect skin - from Hokkaido)Service: 7Technique: 8English: a little bitTotal: 14.5k (13k - 1k discount + 2.5k hotel)Repeat? ProbablyShe would not do FS - I tried nicely twice, but her BBBJ was pretty good. A nice, typical Shibuya-type girl who is into fashion and music. Like posted many times before, Grimpeur is a crap shoot - sometimes, you get FS, sometimes you don't. But if you want a real Japanese girl with almost no chance of rejection as a foreigner, this is a good bet. She will finish with sumata or if you prefer, have your way with her (almost anything but FS or DFK) depending on the girl.When talking to the guy at the counter, you will usually need to know some very basic Japanese, at least enough to convince him that you understand the basic rules. I think they get a lot of business from foreigners. After the first time, you will get a member's card, which will make subsequent times easier. GL.BTW, Tobita is GREAT - I wish they had something like that here in Tokyo.
Have you gone to Shibuya Grimpeur yet?http://www.s-grimpeur.jp/They will limit your choices as a foreigner, but even then, they are usually very good. I tried Rina today:http://www.s-grimpeur.jp/index.php?action=girlprofile&id=1112She is better looking than her pictures, and I am a picky bastard. Here are my ratings for 45 min:She looks better in person? WOW!
Have you gone to Shibuya Grimpeur yet?http://www.s-grimpeur.jp/They will limit your choices as a foreigner, but even then, they are usually very good. I tried Rina today:http://www.s-grimpeur.jp/index.php?action=girlprofile&id=1112She is better looking than her pictures, and I am a picky bastard. Here are my ratings for 45 min:Looks: 9. 5 (pretty face, great T&A, perfect skin. From Hokkaido)Service: 7Technique: 8English: a little bitTotal: 14. 5k (13k. 1k discount + 2. 5k hotel)Repeat? ProbablyShe would not do FS. I tried nicely twice, but her BBBJ was pretty good. A nice, typical Shibuya-type girl who is into fashion and music. Like posted many times before, Grimpeur is a crap shoot. Sometimes, you get FS, sometimes you don't. But if you want a real Japanese girl with almost no chance of rejection as a foreigner, this is a good bet. She will finish with sumata or if you prefer, have your way with her (almost anything but FS or DFK) depending on the girl.When talking to the guy at the counter, you will usually need to know some very basic Japanese, at least enough to convince him that you understand the basic rules. I think they get a lot of business from foreigners. After the first time, you will get a member's card, which will make subsequent times easier. GL.BTW, Tobita is GREAT. I wish they had something like that here in Tokyo.Thanks a lot for the report and I frequent this place too. Is her pussy shaved or trimmed?
Hi,I searched the Forum, but did not found any feedback about Asuka from AM.So I would like to ask if there is any experience with her?Thanks for the feedback!Nemics
Small point: FS for pay is illegal everywhere in Japan, including in soaps. The difference with soaps is that the girls who work there are technically independent contractors who are just contracting the space and purchasing supplies from the soapland. Therefore if the cops come in and bust the joint, the owners have a legal argument to hide behind. Of course the reality, which is a larger issue, is that the legal code really doesn't mean anything in Japan, because it is interpreted and applied based on the actors involved. As someone smarter than me once said, "Japan is a country of customs, not laws." So FS has been illegal since April 1, 1958, but the reality is that soaplands are allowed to offer FS, and others aren't for complex and convoluted reasons that have no bearing on the law.In a follow up to this point. In the RLDs of Osaka all of the shops are technically licensed as 'restaurants' where you have to pay a base fee of 11,000 for 15min, which is posted on the walls near the genkan and in the rooms. Inside the rooms, they have a little hand-written list of prices that give the rates for 20min, 30min and so on. The girls bring you a little tray of snacks, tea and an o-shibori. I don't think there is any pretext of the girls renting out the rooms. Everybody knows what's going on, and the cops in the nearby kobans just make sure that everyone is behaving themselves. After all, those areas have been brothel districts since before there was an anti-prostitution law and nobody in south Osaka gives a shit about what the laws in Tokyo say about how they ought to be conducting themselves.
I was thinking of going to Trinity today. The website is 403 and it appears as though they have closed. Too bad.
OldAsiaHand
12-20-09, 02:39
Gentlemen,I appreciate all your feedbacks, suggestions and recommedations. I am starting to get the picture. I apologize if I am asking too many ignorant questions. Unfortunately, I have not had the luxury of spending as much time on the ground as many of you that live in Japan and speak the language have. Time contraints usually force me to seek out the "sure things" such as AM, Jan Jan, New York, New York and the like.As I see it, the system is very complicated. Correct me if I am wrong, but to an outsider, it looks like this is intentional either to get around the law and/or to scam the patrons. Most Japanese are non-confrontational thus the operators can probably get away with it. This is usually not the case with gaijin so the operators want to avoid any hassles or misunderstandings. It is too difficut to explain 20k for this, 20k for that, 3k for BBBJ, 2k to pick the girl, 10k because you are gaijin, etc. Most gaijin resent being charged more just because they are a gaijin. This applies to everything wherever they travel. Some gaijin get pissed off and create a scene, I have learned to just walk away and look elsewhere.The websites are confusing even when I use a translation site since a lot of it is slang and does not translate literally. Some seem to quote for a FS package while others have all the add ons. This is probably why the Playgirls's English site just says 70k for everything. It is much simpler and more palatable for gaijin to deal with.As Azure Knight suggested, if somebody could post a "Gaijin's Guide to Mongering in Japan", that would be fantastic. SammyT's comprehensive guide for Beijing on the China board is a very good example. Also, if somebody could supply Jackson with definitions of local acronyms and abbreviations, he could add them to the Abbreviations link.Just my POV.OAH
I had a plan since long to try out Hono-bono. And a few days ago I finally got a chance. I booked over the phone (in japanese) and my choice was Wakame. On the website she looks like my type of girl. I know of course that they edit the photos and the girls never look like the ones on the photo. But maybe I was to naive or just didn't realize what they can do with Photoshop nowadays but in no way I was prepared for what I got when I opened the door. I was totally shocked. She has at least 30 pounds more and she looks to say it in a nice way, not pretty. Lot's of tattos (which is not a problem) but she also smells bad! I guess she is a heavy smoker. We did some foreplay anyway but after maybe 20 minutes I just couldn't bare it any more and I complained of a headache and finished the session. I had some experiences in Tokyo and been to AM and UCLA, but Hono-bono is by far the worst experience I ever had and I just warn everyone to use them.Now I realize also why they accept foreigners and handicapped. I am pretty sure they don't get normal japanese customers otherwise and they believe foreigners don't complain.Next time I will go with grimpeur, ND or AM again. UCLA is also not bad but never ever again HB.
Gentlemen,As I see it, the system is very complicated. Correct me if I am wrong, but to an outsider, it looks like this is intentional either to get around the law and/or to scam the patrons. Most Japanese are non-confrontational thus the operators can probably get away with it. This is usually not the case with gaijin so the operators want to avoid any hassles or misunderstandings. It is too difficut to explain 20k for this, 20k for that, 3k for BBBJ, 2k to pick the girl, 10k because you are gaijin, etc. Most gaijin resent being charged more just because they are a gaijin. This applies to everything wherever they travel. Some gaijin get pissed off and create a scene, I have learned to just walk away and look elsewhere.OAHIMO, I am less likely to be scammed in Japan than elsewhere in asia. The web sites clearly indicate the prices and services, just not in English.
The language thing is a little more complicated. Mostly, if you've taken the time and trouble to learn the language you've probably also taken the time and trouble to understand the cultural norms. Some dumbass foreigners haven't done this and those people do pose a problem. These dumbasses are very few in number.I find many long time residents who don't really know Japanese very well to be in the same shape as an infrequent visitor who knows very little Japanese. The shops are just playing percentages by accepting Japanese who speak the language. It's a risk for them but they need the business. During the Bubble years they did not need our business so it was extremely difficult to get service back then.In general, foreigners get rejected because we are bad for business. If we were good for business, such as checking into a 5-star hotel where the staff speaks English and where they are used to foreigners then we have no trouble getting a room. Additionally, we are considered acceptable in these places so Japanese customers don't shy away because we foreigners may have stayed in the room before them. If you try to check into a very small business hotel in an obscure area way out in the suburbs you may have a little more trouble, both with the language and their racism. They may not want to rent you a room because you don't understand the system and other Japanese customers may not like the fact that we make a little more noise, take showers in the morning and other things that are outside of Japanese norms. The same goes for fuuzoku places. If we are bad for business then we are rejected. If we are not bad for business (I can't think of a case where we are good for business other than providing a less than optimal revenue source) then we may get service. It's as simple as that.If you consider Chinese esute, the downside of accepting us is far less. The Japanese clientele is going to expect a Chinese place to accept foreigners and it may or may not affect their willingness to go to a cheap Chinese esute.The bottom line is for us to not take it personally. It's just a business. It does have racism built into it but everywhere on the planet has a certain amount of local racism and it can't be avoided.You get service at AM because they are geared for foreigners and probably don't even have Japanese customers. You get service at NYNY because the quality of the lady is extremely low by Japanese standards and no Japanese guy below the age of 30 would even consider going there because he can get a better lady from a hitoduma (housewife) place so there isn't much risk in having foreigners there. You absolutely will not a get a young, cute Japanese lady at NYNY so their target customer is far different from the places we always get rejected from.The system is not complicated at all. If you don't have language skills then you need to delete a certain number of places from your pool. If you are of a certain ethnicity (some places don't like blacks, some don't like Chinese, some don't like Korean, some don't like Middle Easterners, etc., each for whatever reason) then you have to cut back further. What you are left with is often very slim pickings. As others have said, you can always find a Chinese esute for a reasonable price but you said you're not interested in that.If your budget can afford it then you should stick to high end soaps that service foreigners. The service is almost always superb and the ladies are almost always at least moderately attractive.
Gentlemen,I appreciate all your feedbacks, suggestions and recommedations. I am starting to get the picture. I apologize if I am asking too many ignorant questions. Unfortunately, I have not had the luxury of spending as much time on the ground as many of you that live in Japan and speak the language have. Time contraints usually force me to seek out the "sure things" such as AM, Jan Jan, New York, New York and the like.As I see it, the system is very complicated. Correct me if I am wrong, but to an outsider, it looks like this is intentional either to get around the law and/or to scam the patrons. Most Japanese are non-confrontational thus the operators can probably get away with it. This is usually not the case with gaijin so the operators want to avoid any hassles or misunderstandings. It is too difficut to explain 20k for this, 20k for that, 3k for BBBJ, 2k to pick the girl, 10k because you are gaijin, etc. Most gaijin resent being charged more just because they are a gaijin. This applies to everything wherever they travel. Some gaijin get pissed off and create a scene, I have learned to just walk away and look elsewhere.The websites are confusing even when I use a translation site since a lot of it is slang and does not translate literally. Some seem to quote for a FS package while others have all the add ons. This is probably why the Playgirls's English site just says 70k for everything. It is much simpler and more palatable for gaijin to deal with.As Azure Knight suggested, if somebody could post a "Gaijin's Guide to Mongering in Japan", that would be fantastic. SammyT's comprehensive guide for Beijing on the China board is a very good example. Also, if somebody could supply Jackson with definitions of local acronyms and abbreviations, he could add them to the Abbreviations link.Just my POV.OAH
OldAsiaHand
12-20-09, 06:10
Have you gone to Shibuya Grimpeur yet?BTW, Tobita is GREAT - I wish they had something like that here in Tokyo.Nakameguro97,Thanks for the tip. I've not tried it yet but I am staying in the Shibuya area next month. I've read mixed reports about the place but I will give it a go and hope for the best. I assume because FS is not on the menu it is not possible to ask at the counter if a girl provides it?I enjoy Tobita a lot too although my hit rate can be very low, between 5-30% depending on the time of day I am there. The earlier the better. That said, nearly all the hottest girls are usually off limits even though I get lucky from time to time.OAH
OldAsiaHand
12-20-09, 06:40
The language thing is a little more complicated. Mostly, if you've taken the time and trouble to learn the language you've probably also taken the time and trouble to understand the cultural norms. Some dumbass foreigners haven't done this and those people do pose a problem. These dumbasses are very few in number.After many years of traveling to and doing business in Japan, even having worked for a Japanese/American JV, although not based in Japan, I have learned something about Japanese cultural norms even though I do not speak Japanese.
If you consider Chinese esute, the downside of accepting us is far less. The Japanese clientele is going to expect a Chinese place to accept foreigners and it may or may not affect their willingness to go to a cheap Chinese esute.As others have said, you can always find a Chinese esute for a reasonable price but you said you're not interested in that. I invite you guys to visit me in China where I would be honored to show you the ropes. You can have top quality, 8-9 level girls overnight for what you are paying for an hour with a 5-6 at best in Tokyo. Or, the same quality will provide 18 steps of total bliss for 2 solid hours in a high-end sauna for the same money. 5-7 quality is as cheap as 2k ST, even for gaijin. And, even then, the service will still be better than you get in the Chinese estute. And, you do not need to speak a word of Chinese for any of it.
If your budget can afford it then you should stick to high end soaps that service foreigners. The service is almost always superb and the ladies are almost always at least moderately attractive.Unfortunately, my budget cannot afford 70k+ for lunch everyday but I am willing to try it out a few times to see if it is worth it. The most expensive soap I have been to was 20k. I like to have a balance. Sometimes I spoil myself with the top end whilst other times going for the down and dirty at the low end.OAH
OldAsiaHand
12-20-09, 06:46
You get FS for this price. First it starts out with a mandatory bath, then they'll probably give you a smokejob. Then some mat play, the girls covers you and her in a thick lube, and she starts massaging you with her body and than transitions into another bj followed by some covered FS. After that you'll probably get more FS if you can manage it. If you search red tube for japanese massage, you're basically getting that. It's a unique experience for sure.Zcorps,Thanks for the clarification. Sounds pretty close to a Thai MP, "B Course" as they call it minus the thick lube. Same type of service is available in most of Asia with a slightly different spin to it.Just my POV.OAH
Hi,I searched the Forum, but did not found any feedback about Asuka from AM.So I would like to ask if there is any experience with her?Thanks for the feedback!NemicsThere are some positive reports on her on Tokyo Pink Guide.
Ralph Kramden
12-20-09, 13:11
Ronin 7788I think you just happened to make a bad choice of Wakame. That particular photo of her has been posted for a long time, so it may be that she has put on the extra poundage since it was taken. I notice she regularly works the late night shift so, and a lot of them, so the stress of doing that probably has affected her living habits.I have tried HB only one time and that particular girl showed up with more extra padding than the photo, but she was also on a heavy work schedule and has since left.So you might reconsider HB....watch the site on a daily basis and observe the girls who don't work that often. They might be your best bet because they are fresher and less stressed. I check in on the site almost every day just for fun.Jam and Rika look interesting to me. I wonder if anyone has tried either.
Personally, as a foreigner I would not ask for FS. The code is AF, but then you may get one that doesn't do FS and will insist on AF.Grimpeur is hit or miss because many of the best ladies will not take foreigners. It is a legal (as far as I know) hotel health now so that means its licensed and FS is not part of the offering. If you get FS its going to have to be between you and the lady.
Nakameguro97,Thanks for the tip. I've not tried it yet but I am staying in the Shibuya area next month. I've read mixed reports about the place but I will give it a go and hope for the best. I assume because FS is not on the menu it is not possible to ask at the counter if a girl provides it?I enjoy Tobita a lot too although my hit rate can be very low, between 5-30% depending on the time of day I am there. The earlier the better. That said, nearly all the hottest girls are usually off limits even though I get lucky from time to time.OAH
Where in China? Who are the best (most knowledgeable, most practical, etc.) ISG references in the Shanghai and Beijing forums (besides yourself)?
I invite you guys to visit me in China where I would be honored to show you the ropes. You can have top quality, 8-9 level girls overnight for what you are paying for an hour with a 5-6 at best in Tokyo. Or, the same quality will provide 18 steps of total bliss for 2 solid hours in a high-end sauna for the same money. 5-7 quality is as cheap as 2k ST, even for gaijin. And, even then, the service will still be better than you get in the Chinese estute. And, you do not need to speak a word of Chinese for any of it.OAH
Nakameguro97
12-21-09, 01:51
Okay - most of this message is directed towards OAH, but posted for the benefit of all.1. In general, Japanese as a society, is a little "system-crazy". There are rules and conventions for everything. This includes the various types of fuzoku. There are special pricing conventions for soap, hotel health, pink salons, delivery health, massage-with-finish, etc... FS is illegal, and almost always, the counter will deny and insist no FS. Sometimes, this is really the case, and they will deny you service if you ask about FS. In others, not. With Shibuya Grimpeur, I have read on ISG that the guy at the counter actually told him who provided AF, but YMMV. It is safest to consult with ISG or someone who has used that particular service. As for Grimpeur, the default hotel is a dump, and the service is random, but for the price you pay, it is cheap to have a chance at a hottie. IMHO, sumata is not bad at all, so for me at least, FS is not so important here - I just want a young Japanese hottie when I go there. With all the services in Japan, the more conditions you insist on, the more expensive it gets and the more research you have to do to find a place that satisfies all your conditions. There are many foreigners who live here who still have to compromise in one way or another. I agree with you that most of the systems are unnecessarily complicated, but it is what it is.To me, the hit-or-miss is not that foreigners get a worse choice - foreigners will only get the ones where the girl doesn't mind being with a foreigner. There are still good ones to be had. The hit-or-miss is in the quality of service and whether you end up with FS or not.2. In general, pricing in Japan is crazy relative to most other places. In terms of value, I'd much rather go to certain areas in the South of China rather than spend my money in Tokyo. However, there are exceptions. In particular, I like some higher level pink salons and some legitimate massage-with-finish places, which probably have no comparison elsewhere, in terms of service. My personal measure is, do I feel like I got ripped off after the service? If you've never tried soap, it's good to try it once, but I think for most people, unless you are very wealthy or inexperienced mongering, will experience monger's regret at paying outrageous sums of cash. I know OAH is experienced so maybe he'd try it once or twice, but I am certain he would compare versus his experiences elsewhere.3. WRT Tobita, I have never met you, OAH, but I am rather certain that your hit rate there should be much higher. Japanese tend to be very appearance-oriented, even more so in Tokyo than in Osaka. The general idea is, if you can dress and appear to be a local, your chances are much better. If you can speak a few words in Japanese, your chances are better. How hot the girl is makes no difference. I have only been to Tobita a few times, but I have never been rejected.4. In answer to the previous question, she was shaved, and yes, she is better looking in person - not as heavily made-up and dressed professionally. Big eyes and beautiful skin. Unfortunately, not really into the work, but she has a happy personality. At this price, no complaints from me.
Okay. Most of this message is directed towards OAH, but posted for the benefit of all.1. In general, Japanese as a society, is a little "system-crazy". There are rules and conventions for everything. This includes the various types of fuzoku. There are special pricing conventions for soap, hotel health, pink salons, delivery health, massage-with-finish, etc. FS is illegal, and almost always, the counter will deny and insist no FS. Sometimes, this is really the case, and they will deny you service if you ask about FS. In others, not. With Shibuya Grimpeur, I have read on ISG that the guy at the counter actually told him who provided AF, but YMMV. It is safest to consult with ISG or someone who has used that particular service. As for Grimpeur, the default hotel is a dump, and the service is random, but for the price you pay, it is cheap to have a chance at a hottie. IMHO, sumata is not bad at all, so for me at least, FS is not so important here. I just want a young Japanese hottie when I go there. With all the services in Japan, the more conditions you insist on, the more expensive it gets and the more research you have to do to find a place that satisfies all your conditions. There are many foreigners who live here who still have to compromise in one way or another. I agree with you that most of the systems are unnecessarily complicated, but it is what it is.To me, the hit-or-miss is not that foreigners get a worse choice. Foreigners will only get the ones where the girl doesn't mind being with a foreigner. There are still good ones to be had. The hit-or-miss is in the quality of service and whether you end up with FS or not.2. In general, pricing in Japan is crazy relative to most other places. In terms of value, I'd much rather go to certain areas in the South of China rather than spend my money in Tokyo. However, there are exceptions. In particular, I like some higher level pink salons and some legitimate massage-with-finish places, which probably have no comparison elsewhere, in terms of service. My personal measure is, do I feel like I got ripped off after the service? If you've never tried soap, it's good to try it once, but I think for most people, unless you are very wealthy or inexperienced mongering, will experience monger's regret at paying outrageous sums of cash. I know OAH is experienced so maybe he'd try it once or twice, but I am certain he would compare versus his experiences elsewhere.4. In answer to the previous question, she was shaved, and yes, she is better looking in person. Not as heavily made-up and dressed professionally. Big eyes and beautiful skin. Unfortunately, not really into the work, but she has a happy personality. At this price, no complaints from me.Thanks a lot and very much agreed, except thigh or ball massage in Macau should beat the massage parlor in Japan. Like Japan, the system is complicated, officially, they can't give you the finish, but with more sessions, it is always possible.In Grimpeur, AF was on the menu until few months ago. Kazumi in Grimpeur still does AF. She has a great attitude and good and keen service. AF itself is not among the best though, probably not the best ass, that's all.Will try Rina soon!
OldAsiaHand
12-21-09, 04:13
Where in China? Who are the best (most knowledgeable, most practical, etc.) ISG references in the Shanghai and Beijing forums (besides yourself)?Homer69,I am S. China based where P4P is the best value. In Shangai, it would be Blacklisted and Mockabee, Ace Gallant if he is in town. In Beijing, it would be SammyT, Zhuren and Bad Boy Billy but Billy is not based in Beijing. Prices in Beijing a little higher than the rest of China. Send me a PM if you are coming over and I will hook you up.OAH
OldAsiaHand
12-21-09, 04:29
3. WRT Tobita, I have never met you, OAH, but I am rather certain that your hit rate there should be much higher. Japanese tend to be very appearance-oriented, even more so in Tokyo than in Osaka. The general idea is, if you can dress and appear to be a local, your chances are much better. If you can speak a few words in Japanese, your chances are better. How hot the girl is makes no difference. I have only been to Tobita a few times, but I have never been rejected. I agree. I get more "dozo" with a suit on then wearing a pair of jeans. My hit rate may be higher if I approached more shops. I normally just walk around waiting to be called in. I never approach the shop without the "dozo". I get the feeling that they are taking gaijin to fill in the low business periods. When there are many Japanese punters around later in the evening, my hit rate goes down a lot. What time do you normally go?OAH
I just tried SW-SP and they said no gaijin, even says so on the website. So I tried Komachi and the guy said no on Aira and one other girl I asked about. He said some girls are OK but he wouldn`t know until they showed up. My Japanese is not a problem and they guy didn`t know until he asked for name and address. Just curious, but did you use them recently?
I have had good luck at Shinagawa Komachi and its sister shops:http://www.s-komachi.jp/http://www.sw-sp.jp/http://www.s-hana.jp/http://www.s-chaya.jp/Many of these girls are gravure/AV-level hot, and some are even gravure girls e.g. Aira (http://www.s-komachi.jp/profile_513.html) who I've had several times. I am a non-Asian foreigner but my Japanese is fluent. I have never gotten The Question over the phone ("お客様、外人さんですか？") although it is not 100% clear this is because they don't realize I am a foreigner or because they don't care. The great thing is, once you phone in an appointment and complete it successfully once, they recognize your number on subsequent calls and the level of due diligence on their part falls considerably. You can even schedule subsequent appointments via the web, further reducing the risk of getting caught out as a non-Japanese over the phone.
Seoulstice
12-21-09, 15:09
Hey guys,I'll be staying in Shinjuku for the Christmas holiday [23rd-28th] and want to visit a soapland and/or some of the pink salons.I could use a partner in crime/guide to find these venues. Your bar tab would be on me, naturally. I could reciprocate if you were to come to Seoul, even though the scene there is minimal compared to Tokyo. (big sigh)Up-to-date advice on which venues to visit would also be appreciated.Send me a PM if you're up for it.Seoulstice
Nakameguro97
12-22-09, 04:24
I agree. I get more "dozo" with a suit on then wearing a pair of jeans. My hit rate may be higher if I approached more shops. I normally just walk around waiting to be called in. I never approach the shop without the "dozo". I get the feeling that they are taking gaijin to fill in the low business periods. When there are many Japanese punters around later in the evening, my hit rate goes down a lot. What time do you normally go?OAHThat's way too passive: do you wait for girls to approach you at a bar? The girls in Tobita are on display, for god's sake. If you are interested in someone, stare a little bit, smile and nod, and say "konnichi-wa" when they recognize your interest. How can you call that a "hit rate" when you haven't even attempted a "hit"? =DYou are being too self-aware of being a foreigner and they might be getting those vibes from you!!!If they are not interested because they think you are a foreigner, they will either ask you about your background, or at least chit-chat with you for a second to gauge you. From my experience, Kansai fuzoku (Osaka/Kobe, etc...) is much more open to foreigners than Kanto fuzoku (Tokyo).I've never paid attention to the time of day when I took a visit; I went when I felt like it. I've gone when it's busy and I've gone when it's quite empty. Just view it from their perspective: the shop doesn't care if you are a foreigner or not, as long as you understand the rules and act like all the other customers do (this is true of 99% of Japan, regardless of what kind of business). Occasionally, the girl cares, but there's no way you can gauge until you try! Let the mama reject you... ...that's HER job.Oh... ...and you don't literally need a suit - just dress neatly and cleanly - casual also works, but looking cheap or sloppy does not. Just do as the locals do.
Hi,I searched the Forum, but did not found any feedback about Asuka from AM.So I would like to ask if there is any experience with her?Thanks for the feedback!NemicsI haven't been able to post for a while hence no FR on Asuka. I saw her in late Oct. She's young, grew up in Australia (speaks perfect English with an Aussie accent), has a very down to earth attitude and is a hot and horny experience. Small breasts, very passionate kisses, gets very wet during DATY, mutiple positions and likes it hard and deep, finished 2nd session with a great BBBJCIM and swallow.Stats:Age: 22 Nationality: JapaneseLooks: 7/10 (pretty with nice smile)Body: 7/10 (slim waist, slightly larger butt)Tits: 5/10 (small)GFE and attitude : 9/10 (outstanding)BBBJ: 8/10CIM: and swallowAnal: Not available AR: Can't recallTime: 2 hrsPrice: standardWIR: Definately Yes
OldAsiaHand
12-22-09, 15:23
That's way too passive: do you wait for girls to approach you at a bar? The girls in Tobita are on display, for god's sake. If you are interested in someone, stare a little bit, smile and nod, and say "konnichi-wa" when they recognize your interest. How can you call that a "hit rate" when you haven't even attempted a "hit"? =DYou are being too self-aware of being a foreigner and they might be getting those vibes from you!!!If they are not interested because they think you are a foreigner, they will either ask you about your background, or at least chit-chat with you for a second to gauge you. From my experience, Kansai fuzoku (Osaka/Kobe, etc...) is much more open to foreigners than Kanto fuzoku (Tokyo).I've never paid attention to the time of day when I took a visit; I went when I felt like it. I've gone when it's busy and I've gone when it's quite empty. Just view it from their perspective: the shop doesn't care if you are a foreigner or not, as long as you understand the rules and act like all the other customers do (this is true of 99% of Japan, regardless of what kind of business). Occasionally, the girl cares, but there's no way you can gauge until you try! Let the mama reject you... ...that's HER job.Oh... ...and you don't literally need a suit - just dress neatly and cleanly - casual also works, but looking cheap or sloppy does not. Just do as the locals do.I suppose I could be more straightforward. I do look into the shops but often the mama does not return the look or say anything. I will try to smile, nod and say hello next time and see if it helps. From reading some other posts about Tobita, I did not think I was that far off with my success ratio.Thanks for the advice.OAH
Evan Stoner
12-22-09, 17:46
I just tried SW-SP and they said no gaijin, even says so on the website. So I tried Komachi and the guy said no on Aira and one other girl I asked about. He said some girls are OK but he wouldn`t know until they showed up. My Japanese is not a problem and they guy didn`t know until he asked for name and address. Just curious, but did you use them recently?You are correct, I see that SW-SP does note a no-foreigners rule on their web site -- although oddly none of the other three 'sister shops' seem to. I have used several of these sites within the last couple months, including SW-SP. PM me if you like.ES
Member #4239
12-22-09, 19:49
this place is very expensive but absolutely rocking with girls...been here for about just a year and enjoyed every minute of it. J.G.
Yes I went there for the second time yesterday. Only one was available was ayu at that time. Her profile was nice. But when she showed up 15 mins later at my hotel, I was a bit disapointed since she was not as cute as her picture. I bought 45 mins, paid 2500yen for the hotel. So we chat for a while just about everything, then she showed me all the stuff in her purse, WTF? She was stalling time and the her timers started as soon as she walked in. So I have to pay the talking too? I can get that in any host club. My japanese wasn't perfect but I can get by. Then we showed for 5 mins. She mainly just washed my private a bit. Then off to business. She told me to lay down and went to BBBJ directly. Sad thing is she was on period that day. So DATY is out, 69 is out and I don't feel comfortable asking for FS is there is blood involved. I came in the first 15 mins. She didn't even taking them all in since I have to pay 2000yen extra for that. Then I asked for another shot if time allows. So I tried to arouse her a bit, but she feels a bit passive and neglectant to that. In the end, I didn't get my second shot. But her BBBJ was the best I ever had. Something about the way she works her tougue just blow my mind and my ****.Body 5Service 4Repeat I don't think so.Maybe because she was one her period or somthing else, I didn; t get the same satisfaction as before. So maybe depends on the girls.So I went to dinner with my clients around shibuya, then went back to 666 again that night. Something stroke me to walk to the left entrance instead the right. It's a different establishment. Here is the link http://www.S-queens.com/contents/top/index.htmlThey said they don't take gaijin. But I talked to the tencho for a bit, then he told me he has to call the girls to make sure if that is ok. I waited in the booth about 2 mins. He said daijobu. So I picked Sari. Looks nice on her profile. Went to the hotel, and tencho walked me to it and take care of the clerk over there. Waited for 10 mins then she arrives. Totally shocked me since she was much better than I expected and way better than the Ayu. She timed only the time when we get to the shower until the end. So I don't know if it is a stardard practice. She was like someone who is into sex and not afraid to try couple new things. So as soon we got it on in the bed. I asked for honban. Then she told me "can you keep a secret? " then she grabed a extra large condom from her purse, along with some toys and a hand cuff. I was so surprise that I don't know what will happen to me. SM was in the house. Only down side is that her "mango" was a bit small, so I can't go all the way in. I not joking about my size. Regular 6 only. So well money spent in this joint. If your japanese is ok, general noding and common conversation, then you should try this place. Maybe just my luck.EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.
LatinoInTokyo
12-25-09, 14:23
Hi There.Firstly I would like to wish all a very Merry Christmas and it goes without saying that this forum has been a great help over the years.I am in a position at the moment where I want to treat myself to a Christmas present and would like to experience a threesome here in Japan. The only options I have come across for us gaijin is with AM and ND. I have a couple of queries and would love some advice.1. Has anyone gone experienced a threesome with AM or ND? If so, which girls make a good combination in order to make it an experience to remember.2. Are there any other options (maybe Happening Bar) that is considered Gaijin friendly where I could perhaps get the same service?Thanks in advance
My girlfriend is looking at experimenting with some other cock. When she is out partying, she has her urges. However, when she is sober and in work mode, she doesn't want to do it. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone knew of any straight glory holes or happening clubs in the Tokyo/Yokohama area that are easy access? My girlfriend is Japanese.
I'm also looking for a Happening Bar in Tokyo that I can take one of my girls too. If anyone has any info on Happening Bars that will take accept a gaijin/nohonjin couple, please let me know. You can contact me by PM if that's better.Thanks
Me too.I'd like to find some easy access happening bars or a straight gloryhole.My Japanese girlfriend would like to try some other dick.
Gaijin Otoko
12-26-09, 14:02
Hi There.2. Are there any other options (maybe Happening Bar) that is considered Gaijin friendly where I could perhaps get the same service?Thanks in advanceManami (http://www.tokyomeltykiss.com/) offers a happening bar option. This could take care of two issues at once, in that you'd have a girl who would take you to a happening bar which is gaijin friendly. Anyway, good luck, and enjoy!
Hey guys,!I'll be coming to Tokyo og new years eve. Till 3rd Jan.I am an India guy. Please suggest me some thing to go about in Tokyo., is it difficult for me to get a nice catch if I am not a Japanese?.And are the 5* hotels in central Tokyo. GFF.? Do they arrange girls by any change?Your Indian mate!
AussieGaigin
12-27-09, 09:55
Hey guys,!I'll be coming to Tokyo og new years eve. Till 3rd Jan.I am an India guy. Please suggest me some thing to go about in Tokyo., is it difficult for me to get a nice catch if I am not a Japanese?.And are the 5* hotels in central Tokyo. GFF.? Do they arrange girls by any change?Your Indian mate!There are plenty of 5* hotels in Tokyo, but you better start making some enquiries now if you want any chance of getting a booking.RTFF for the other answers.
There are plenty of 5* hotels in Tokyo, but you better start making some enquiries now if you want any chance of getting a booking.RTFF for the other answers.Indeed, indeed. And prepare to be shocked. The computer says those three days at, say, the Park Hyatt will cost around $2000, cheapest rate. If someone has to ask whether there are 5* hotels in Tokyo, he better won't come.None of them usually care who you bring to your room.And none of them will arrange for female room service. Polite as they are, they will claim they don't understand the question.
Has anyone gone experienced a threesome with AM or ND? If so, which girls make a good combination in order to make it an experience to remember.I'd wondered the same thing -- how "interactive" are the threeways with AM? Do the girls play with each other or just concentrate on the guy?
Indeed, indeed. And prepare to be shocked. The computer says those three days at, say, the Park Hyatt will cost around $2000, cheapest rate. If someone has to ask whether there are 5* hotels in Tokyo, he better won't come.None of them usually care who you bring to your room.And none of them will arrange for female room service. Polite as they are, they will claim they don't understand the question.OMG!Thts hell expensive.Any other suggestions?. Caus I have already booked my flight tickets.!
OMG!Thts hell expensive.Any other suggestions?. Caus I have already booked my flight tickets.!use http://www.kayak.com and act fast. Tokyo hotels are booked out fast over new year's. Also, lower your expectations in stars or raise your budget.
Short list --1) Washinton Hotel in Shinjuku.2) Granbell in Shibuya or Akasaka.3) Akasaka Prince same day booking.4) E-Hotel various locations.5) Bali-An various locations.Ganbatte!
Anyone in Tokyo and want to join me for some action?I will be here till the 3rd Jan.
Thanks guys!Will let you know my experience.
Gaijin Otoko
12-29-09, 21:23
I'd wondered the same thing -- how "interactive" are the threeways with AM? Do the girls play with each other or just concentrate on the guy?This is secondhand information, not first, but a friend of mine did the three-way option at AM. According to him, the girls needed prompting from him to interact with each other, but once he asked, they did. You might want to book far in advance, and ask them to make a pairing, or ask for one you like and leave it up to her to choose the second. I've had fairly good luck with the second strategy at Estes and the like.
Gaijin Otoko
12-29-09, 21:26
use http://www.kayak.com and act fast. Tokyo hotels are booked out fast over new year's. Also, lower your expectations in stars or raise your budget.I've tried them all, and I find that http://www.japanican.com and http://www.agoda.com have both been better than Kayak, unless Kayak has added Japanican and Agoda to their meta-search.
OMG!Thts hell expensive.Any other suggestions?. Caus I have already booked my flight tickets.!For really cheap but clean business hotels look at these chains:http://www.toyoko-inn.com/eng/http://www.superhotel.co.jp/en/index.html Other reservation sites:http://www.itcj.jp/eng/index.phphttp://travel.rakuten.co.jp/en/http://www.kid97.co.jp/~jeh-group/jeh-group.htmlhttp://www.jcha.or.jp/english/http://www.ejapanhotels.com/http://www.japanhotel.net/http://www.j-hotel.or.jp/en/index.htmlhttp://www.japanican.com/index.aspxhttp://www.j-reserve.com/
I went to this happening bar in Kabukicho a couple of years ago and had a great time (I went with my gf of the time). Does anybody know what happened to it, or where the "new" B&B scene might be? From reading other blogs etc, I found that B&B was one of the best S&M type happening bars around, but that the police had raided and closed them down.
I went to this happening bar in Kabukicho a couple of years ago and had a great time (I went with my gf of the time). Does anybody know what happened to it, or where the "new" B&B scene might be? From reading other blogs etc, I found that B&B was one of the best S&M type happening bars around, but that the police had raided and closed them down.Sadly, B&B has been closed for some time. Some of its flair lives on at Sleeping Beauty in Shibuya (same owner.) Sleeping Beauty is more like a "regular" happening bar, but it has several SM themed rooms. The beauty of Sleeping Beauty is that the main playroom is opened to couples only, and you won't be accosted by single guys.
Mar Deepack
01-01-10, 10:51
I will be in Tokyo 12 January for 1 weekI'm new and I have some question1) There are some place (bar. Or.) where to find freelancer?2) I read a lot about Grimpeur, I cannot read japanese map, will be big help to post english map or right information for to arrive.3) I don't speak japanese, I hope Grimpeur will not refuse me, if happened will be other similar place?4) RLD also for this can give me good information for findSorry for to much asking.
Johnwong123
01-01-10, 16:04
I'm currently in Japan on vacation in shinjuku. I walked through kabukicho and saw the same guy I saw on a random youtube video that speaks in english hustle me for a good time.I'm mainly interested in one of the 'image' or 'theme' clubs where the women wear the sexy outfits. I'm not looking for FS, just a good bbbjtcim hopefully.Any good recommendations?
AtlasArchw
01-01-10, 19:53
I have read (and re-read!) accounts on this board over the last few weeksAnd would appreciate a few tipsI'll be visiting Tokyo late this month, my second visit in five years(3 days in Tokyo, then leaving for elsewhere in Japan).The first time I almost made contact with someone from Cherry Blossoms but confess I cancelled due to cold feet.I am committed to make something happen this visit.I'm Canadian. Caucasian. Can't read, write or speak Japanese.Just turned 50. Fit. Quiet by temperament. Never been comfortable with bar scene.Looking to meet J-girl in her 20s or 30s.Prepared to pay for high-end experience.What I have discerned so far from your collective experience is thatA) the above qualities severely limit my options.B) AM and CB and ND are probably my best betC) with no working knowledge of Japanese, and no local contacts, wandering the streets of Yoshiwara or following up leads from this site is essentially asking to be taken advantage of.Is that accurate?Also, I did email a girl from her ad on www.Sexyescortads.comShe responded to me with a phone number, general indication of openness but cagey on details other than she is fun to be with, and call her when I am in town. Goes by name of "Tomoloo. " Ring any bells?One more: Is Cherry Blossoms still operating?Thanks, and good luck to all.
I have read (and re-read!) accounts on this board over the last few weeksAnd would appreciate a few tipsI'll be visiting Tokyo late this month, my second visit in five years(3 days in Tokyo, then leaving for elsewhere in Japan).The first time I almost made contact with someone from Cherry Blossoms but confess I cancelled due to cold feet.I am committed to make something happen this visit.I'm Canadian. Caucasian. Can't read, write or speak Japanese.Just turned 50. Fit. Quiet by temperament. Never been comfortable with bar scene.Looking to meet J-girl in her 20s or 30s.Prepared to pay for high-end experience.What I have discerned so far from your collective experience is thatA) the above qualities severely limit my options.B) AM and CB and ND are probably my best betC) with no working knowledge of Japanese, and no local contacts, wandering the streets of Yoshiwara or following up leads from this site is essentially asking to be taken advantage of.Is that accurate?Also, I did email a girl from her ad on www.Sexyescortads.comShe responded to me with a phone number, general indication of openness but cagey on details other than she is fun to be with, and call her when I am in town. Goes by name of "Tomoloo. " Ring any bells?One more: Is Cherry Blossoms still operating?Thanks, and good luck to all.Manami from www.tokyomeltykiss.com will rock your world. Unfortunately she won't be available until 11Jan. Webpage is in english.
I'm currently in Japan on vacation in shinjuku. I walked through kabukicho and saw the same guy I saw on a random youtube video that speaks in english hustle me for a good time.I'm mainly interested in one of the 'image' or 'theme' clubs where the women wear the sexy outfits. I'm not looking for FS, just a good bbbjtcim hopefully.Any good recommendations?Here is a hompage of a delivery health in Gotanda. www.Minisuka-c.com You will need a working knowlege of Japanese as you have to call the tout, follow directions to a mansion/apartment and in person choose the girl, course and outfit she will wear. The tout will emphasize NO FULL SERVICE but from my experience its up to the girl once you are in the hotel. The tout will show you a book of approximately 100 different outfits for the girl and you choose everything all the way to color/style of stockings and shoes. All in all probably close to 1000 variables in outfits. This place's primary focus is on leg fetish but the girls are very good looking, all japanese and the service is amazing. After choosing the course, girl and outfit you will pay the tout and he will give you directions to a neaby hotel with instructions to the girl at the window "Minisuka desu". You will pay another 4000 yen or so and receive a room key for 2 hours. Call Minisuka back up and give them the room number. Wait and have fun. Most girls do BBBJ and the tout was upfront if the girl didn't. Again, if you don't have a decent working knowledge of Japanese don't waste your time with this place. Way too much interaction for an non-knowledgable person. I have had no problem with this place and another Delivery Health in the same building called Bodycon. Bodycon focuses more on the seual appeal of a well dressed woman but both companies are run by the same people. Sorry couldn't fiind the webpage for Bodycon but I got both of them from the Manzoku newspaper sold in most Tokyo convienence stores. Once you are inside the lobby of the mansion look at the mailbox on the wall and look for the room number for bodycon if you prefer. Sorry I don't remember the exact room number. Both places worked with me just fine and I am as "white american looking" as you can possibly get.
Gaijin Otoko
01-02-10, 05:50
I have read (and re-read!) accounts on this board over the last few weeksAnd would appreciate a few tipsI'll be visiting Tokyo late this month, my second visit in five years(3 days in Tokyo, then leaving for elsewhere in Japan).I'm Canadian. Caucasian. Can't read, write or speak Japanese.Just turned 50. Fit. Quiet by temperament. Never been comfortable with bar scene.Looking to meet J-girl in her 20s or 30s.Prepared to pay for high-end experience.What I have discerned so far from your collective experience is thatA) the above qualities severely limit my options.B) AM and CB and ND are probably my best betC) with no working knowledge of Japanese, and no local contacts, wandering the streets of Yoshiwara or following up leads from this site is essentially asking to be taken advantage of.Is that accurate?A) and B) are absolutely correct. I have recommended AM to others, with uniformly positive results (although I have never used them myself). C) is not 100% accurate. Other than being charged a "gaijin-rate," you are exceedingly unlikely to be "taken advantage of" in Yoshiwara. I've never been ripped off, although most of the complaints I have heard have been about Shinjuku, Roppongi, and a few other places frequented by foreigners. The biggest indicator of potential danger is if they employ foreign touts. Now before I get totally flamed, many foreign touts are simply trying to conduct business, and some are genuinely helpful. However it is difficult for me to think of a case of someone getting ripped off or worse that wasn't predicated by some variation of the phrase, "so this Nigerian/Iranian/Pakistani tout comes up to me..." Stick with AM. It isn't the finest experience possible, but it is generally safe, extremely gaijin-friendly (gaijin are their business), and more consistently rated than CB or ND.
Castl Smith
01-02-10, 06:22
I have read (and re-read!) accounts on this board over the last few weeksAnd would appreciate a few tipsI'll be visiting Tokyo late this month, my second visit in five years(3 days in Tokyo, then leaving for elsewhere in Japan).The first time I almost made contact with someone from Cherry Blossoms but confess I cancelled due to cold feet.I am committed to make something happen this visit.I'm Canadian. Caucasian. Can't read, write or speak Japanese.Just turned 50. Fit. Quiet by temperament. Never been comfortable with bar scene.Looking to meet J-girl in her 20s or 30s.Prepared to pay for high-end experience.What I have discerned so far from your collective experience is thatA) the above qualities severely limit my options.B) AM and CB and ND are probably my best betC) with no working knowledge of Japanese, and no local contacts, wandering the streets of Yoshiwara or following up leads from this site is essentially asking to be taken advantage of.Is that accurate?Also, I did email a girl from her ad on www.Sexyescortads.comShe responded to me with a phone number, general indication of openness but cagey on details other than she is fun to be with, and call her when I am in town. Goes by name of "Tomoloo. " Ring any bells?One more: Is Cherry Blossoms still operating?Thanks, and good luck to all.Stick with AM. Its a sure thing. I've never been disappointed. I'll post a report about Shiori soon. She's a little older, but I would rate her really high. Not a dynamo, but a smooth, soft relaxing experience with a woman who loves sex and knows how to take her time and do things right.
Just for the record, I know a few of you know but if you speak Japanese well there really is no reason to limit yourself to AM etc. I got the impression that the places I've tried would be unhappy with a sudden gaijin rush* (in fact they all said they'd never had a Caucasian before and I believed them) but if you speak, just go through the Japanese Fuzoku pages and make calls. All this talk of foreigners being rejected mostly comes from salons where its bad for foreigners to be seen by other customers, and soaps where things are a bit more complicated. I called multiple very, very good deli health (8-10's), hotel health etc. Places and wasn't rejected by any of them. Its expensive ( 2man all together) but got an I've gotten an I cup girl, a 19 yo gyaru, etc. If you can't speak Japanese or don't speak well, don't try but for the rest, try branching out!*I don't mean to be mysterious about which places I've been but really you can find tons on your own if you speak.
Mar Deepack
01-02-10, 23:04
I will be in Tokyo 12 January for 1 weekI'm new and I have some question1) There are some place (bar. Or.) where to find freelancer?2) I read a lot about Grimpeur, I cannot read japanese map, will be big help to post english map or right information for to arrive.3) I don't speak japanese, I hope Grimpeur will not refuse me, if happened will be other similar place?4) RLD also for this can give me good information for findSorry for to much asking.No any information?
Was wondering if anybody tried the 24 yr old Australian - 170 cms, caramel hair - advertising on Craig's list? Her add said she was expensive but worth it... was wondering how much she wanted and if indeed she was worth it!
AtlasArchw
01-03-10, 04:15
For incall services, which is generally better?Do hotel staff (I am thinking of business hotels here, or four/five star hotels)Get fussy with the girl, or with you?Also, anybody familiar with "Tomoloo" (mentioned in an earlier post)?Thanks
Prepared to pay for high-end experience...Also, I did email a girl from her ad on www.Sexyescortads.com As long as you don't pick Natasha Levine, (http://www.sexyescortads.com/escort-150-107646/) who sells her cherry for a cool quarter million Euro, you should be fine.
Evan Stoner
01-03-10, 04:46
I don't mean to be mysterious about which places I've been butWhy don't you just tell us all then? Frankly you are not adding much value unless you do. I've sourced deli/hotel healths via the net, stickers and booklets found in Shibuya phone booths, and even a magazine or two back in the day. What places did you find success with, and where did you source them?ES
Hi,I searched the Forum, but did not found any feedback about Asuka from AM.So I would like to ask if there is any experience with her?Thanks for the feedback!NemicsMeant to answer that but saw Striker34 beat me to it. I by and large agree with him. Here the review I wanted to post before I even read his:Manga-ka is a manga artist, and one may wonder what asu-ka stands for.Well you get a great un-expected package. An Aussie babe mind in a J-Girl body! For those of you who miss the now elusive Basia, there is now another antipodian option to be found in town. Asuka is absolutely laid back. Her English is very good and the sex is good, she has a taste for doggy style, attitude is great, the body is a tight little package. What else could you wish for?For the casual traveler who wants a smooth taste of J-girls without the risk of loss in translation types of problems, and for the experience monger here who would like some kind of new reverse exotics. Strongly recommended.
Evan Stoner
01-03-10, 15:00
Was wondering if anybody tried the 24 yr old Australian - 170 cms, caramel hair - advertising on Craig's list? Her add said she was expensive but worth it... was wondering how much she wanted and if indeed she was worth it!To quote from the original listing: http://tokyo.craigslist.jp/ers/1529984745.htmlES
To quote from the original listing: http://tokyo.craigslist.jp/ers/1529984745.htmlESThanks.I thought this happens when the author decides to remove their post. I.e. she had enough interest, or am I misunderstanding?
I went to this shop few weeks ago, it was a Friday, around 5pm. I went there a few times and never had any problem. Sometime the service is good, sometimes not as it really depends of the provider. For the price, you can't really complain.Well this time, I paid normally the tout. He took the money and right after call an other shop, gave my name and then told me to go to this shop located around 50-100 meters ago. It was a little bit strange but I was ok, as I never got any trouble with him. I finally found the place after 10mn. I wanted to see pics of girls but the tout didn't give me that chance. Fortunately the girl he choose looked ok, she was friendly and we had a good contact, laughing together for some jokes. We was almost in the shower when the toot comes to her and said she finally had to wait, as a Japanese customer was coming in a minutes. He didn't really ask me, just explained the situation and said sorry. An other girl came to me and she was bad looking and bad in providing services. An other bad experience.I didn't know if I had to accept or not what the tout said, but the thing is, it was the first time for me to feel that kind of discrimination.In the same situation, what would you do?
Ralph Kramden
01-04-10, 11:55
I would absolutely not ask, but demand my money back in a polite but very firm manner. Something similar has happened before to me and I got my money back.
Hi allI'd like to thank everyone here as I've largely been able to achieve what I've intended to do with all of the information on this forum. I wish I could contribute more, but sadly, I probably don't do much in the conventional mongering that anyone would want to hear about (I've been going to mostly hostess clubs).I've read the forum to see where I can get a basic massage/HJ from a Japanese girl (not a Chinese/Korean). If I go to a health is this possible (I don't really want a BJ). (I'm sure everyone is sick of hearing this). But I went to UCLA in kabukicho yesterday (and found it to be closed in the afternoon) and was going to ask. At that point I went to an annaijo and spoke with the guy who worked there who told me he could get me a BJ but no HJ (if anyone is interested in this the annaijo was right across from UCLA).Anyways. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. My Japanese is passable and would just like a nice looking girl to get me off.Thanks again to allI've also posted this at pink guide as my time here is short so sorry for the duplicate.
Hi allI'd like to thank everyone here as I've largely been able to achieve what I've intended to do with all of the information on this forum. I wish I could contribute more, but sadly, I probably don't do much in the conventional mongering that anyone would want to hear about (I've been going to mostly hostess clubs).I've read the forum to see where I can get a basic massage/HJ from a Japanese girl (not a Chinese/Korean). If I go to a health is this possible (I don't really want a BJ). (I'm sure everyone is sick of hearing this). But I went to UCLA in kabukicho yesterday (and found it to be closed in the afternoon) and was going to ask. At that point I went to an annaijo and spoke with the guy who worked there who told me he could get me a BJ but no HJ (if anyone is interested in this the annaijo was right across from UCLA).Anyways. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. My Japanese is passable and would just like a nice looking girl to get me off.Thanks again to allI've also posted this at pink guide as my time here is short so sorry for the duplicate.There's two UCLA stores, one in Kabukicho which I've never seen open, and another one in Ikebukuro.
Japanese Gaijin
01-05-10, 12:52
Hello, Tokyo end of the forum! I'm a newbie and have been in Osaka but have had no luck finding what I want (due to the lack of activity in the fourm)I will soon be in Tokyo for 2 days and am hoping someone could help me find aa place that does BBBJCIM.Young sexy J-girls is a must!Money will not be a problem but I can't get a DH unless it can be arranged at a love ho: /I would RTFF but I don't have that kind of time!Please any help would be greatDetailed reports will ensue!
Japanese Gaijin
01-05-10, 12:57
Sorry guys I forgot to mention my details!I'm Japanese, 18, speak little Japanese and have enough for decent FS but really am only looking for BBBJ.
I will be in Tokyo for a few days and am staying at the Conrad with family. Is there anywhere near to get out to for about 2 hours or so? I read a lot of reports but can't really tell what areas they are in.I'd be glad to help anyone with any Philippines or HKG info.
I will be in Tokyo for a few days and am staying at the Conrad with family. Is there anywhere near to get out to for about 2 hours or so? I read a lot of reports but can't really tell what areas they are in.I'd be glad to help anyone with any Philippines or HKG info.Conrad is in Shimbashi. This area used to be good, but has been closed to non-J punters.Options really depend on your J level and how comfortable you are riding the rails in Tokyo.
Really Now
01-06-10, 08:39
Stick with AM. Its a sure thing. I've never been disappointed. I'll post a report about Shiori soon. She's a little older, but I would rate her really high. Not a dynamo, but a smooth, soft relaxing experience with a woman who loves sex and knows how to take her time and do things right.I'm chomping at the bit CS!, do tell soon! Inquiring minds of AM fans like me want to know! Cheers.
Gaijin Otoko
01-06-10, 13:23
I will be in Tokyo for a few days and am staying at the Conrad with family. Is there anywhere near to get out to for about 2 hours or so? I read a lot of reports but can't really tell what areas they are in.I'd be glad to help anyone with any Philippines or HKG info.The Conrad is next to Shinbashi station (sometimes spelled Shimbashi). Get on the Yamanote line and ride around the ring. The big places frequently metioned here are virtually all near stations on the Yamanote. If you find something here that interests you, search to see if it is near a Yamanote station. The most notable exception is the soapland district in Yoshiwara, which isn't near any station, train or subway.The areas that get the most coverage here that are served by Yamanote stations are:Shibuya (Shibuya Station)Ikebukuro (Ikebukuro Station)Ueno (Ueno Station)Sugamo (Sugamo Station)Shinjuku (Shinjuku Station) There is an excellent article on the Yamanote line on Wikipedia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamanote_Line
Mar Deepack
01-06-10, 23:02
Is profile looks great.Anybody have experience with her?Next week I will be in tokyo, and I want trial AM, also other information on AM girl is welcome.
Greetings all,I am in Tokyo for a short time and would like to find AM and Jan Jan. Could somone point me to a google map, web site or some directions. I read back 30 pages, LOL, and found lots of references, but no addresses.Thanks everyone!M.Ps; alas, I do not speak or read japanese.
Castigamatti
01-07-10, 19:18
Few weeks ago I only had three hours of freedom in Tokyo.My hotel was not far from Shibuya so I went there.Drifting around at 10:00 pm I walked on the large streetwhich is on the left side of 109's store keeping the right side...After the movie theatre, some girls stop me asking if I want massage.Further, some touts ignore me because I am totally gaijin.Further more, at the cross with a small street there was a tout (possibly Chinese or Korean)that stopped me and insists to bring me to some girls.He seems to not be expert enough to be dangerous,and due to my time shortage, I decided to follow him.I asked several times what kind of service he was going to propose,but he was more involved in quality of girls instead of their services...So I just made it sure that I was going to regret in caseI don't like the girls or their services.He understood and said no problem.Rising the small street and turning right, he took mein a small residential condominium and knocked at one apartment door.I got into a very small space where there was a big guy that showthe picture list of the girls (all pretty) and the prices. (6 to 8 thousands/hour)Not being a beginner in Japan, I wanted to make it sure about the services,and he immediately understood that I was looking for FSand not for a massage with several extras to be paid apart the standard price.I politely excuses myself for the embarassment,and firmely complained with the tout because he didn't want to tellpreviously about the available services.The guy inside the shop helped him to understandwith the FS gesture... the thumb between other two fingers.On the way back and still in the small street,we crossed a lady and the tout said something:then the lady said in good english that she could show mesome young pretty j-girls for FS.Again I made it sure that I was allowed to regretin case I don't like the girls or the service... No problem... and so I decided to follow her.Not a long way, this time turning left the small street instead right,and we get into from a small door directly from the street.The shop is not shabbier than the previous but the girls list is shorter.The menu is 15000 yen for 50 min but the girls don't look pure Japaneseand there is only two... fu*kable.The manager insist for one, but I choose another.Pay first and then take me in a dark corridor with 4 doors,knock at one and show me the girl.Pretty girl, but this is not the girl I said,and so I politely demand him to show me the picture list again.After I pointed again my choise, he knocked another door...Again, the girl wasn't the one in the picture and moreoverthis time I didn't like her at all.To get over the situation, I promptly said that I would takethe first one I saw and the manager was ok with it.Inside the little room there was just the space for the bed,but with the light on, the girl was a little Chinese beauty.Not too bad by the circumstances...Clothes off, little shower, a bit of conversation and there we go.The girl wasn't very partecipative for European standards,no FK, no DATY, and not too much touch,but spoke good english and had nice attitude anyway.I let her leading the curse and gained an excellent BJ(a full 10/10 for her tongue skills)Then she ride as a cowgirl for few minutes but get tired soonand ask for some missionary.Too bad because I lost the view of gorgeous big natural boobs.With no FK, I got quickly tired of it, and so I tried to vary lifting and turning her a bit.I don't know if she didn't like it too much or if she just wanted to finish me right away,but she suddenly offered me doggystyle... and I can't resist to it.Finally she let me free to go however I want toand kept me inside as long as she feels me throbbling.After that, very kindly and with no rush,she took care of the gum and cleaned my satisfied brother,so meticolously that I renounced to the second proposed shower.Some more friendly conversation...Bye Bye, good luck !The girl:8/10 for the apparence10/10 for BJ skills9/10 for attitude10/10 conversation5/10 for participation10/10 personal hygieneThe ambience:3/10 Too small and unconfortable, doubts about general hygiene2/10 Girl can't wait to get away from that environment...1/10 Of course none of the girls was JapaneseOverall:A flower can grow from the shitCheers
Conrad is in Shimbashi. This area used to be good, but has been closed to non-J punters.Options really depend on your J level and how comfortable you are riding the rails in Tokyo.I can get around fine but my Japanese is very basic. The problem is that Shimbashi station is about a 10 min walk each way which cuts into my time. Anywhere in the area?
The Conrad is next to Shinbashi station (sometimes spelled Shimbashi). Get on the Yamanote line and ride around the ring. The big places frequently metioned here are virtually all near stations on the Yamanote. If you find something here that interests you, search to see if it is near a Yamanote station. The most notable exception is the soapland district in Yoshiwara, which isn't near any station, train or subway.The areas that get the most coverage here that are served by Yamanote stations are:Shibuya (Shibuya Station)Ikebukuro (Ikebukuro Station)Ueno (Ueno Station)Sugamo (Sugamo Station)Shinjuku (Shinjuku Station) There is an excellent article on the Yamanote line on Wikipedia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamanote_LineThanks. I lived in Japan for a year but that was about 15+ years ago but I am still familiar with the railway.I'm looking for a J girl. Last time I was here I went to Kabukicho to the massage place that has been recommended here and got a Thai girl.Any help on a place I can get to and from in about 2 1/2 hours is appreciated.As mentioned, I can give a lot of advice on the Philippines and HKG if anyone is interested. Everything is a lot cheaper there. FS massage with your pick of a girl in an "aquarium" is about $50US all in.
Gaijin Otoko
01-08-10, 02:05
Thanks. I lived in Japan for a year but that was about 15+ years ago but I am still familiar with the railway.I'm looking for a J girl. Last time I was here I went to Kabukicho to the massage place that has been recommended here and got a Thai girl.Any help on a place I can get to and from in about 2 1/2 hours is appreciated.As mentioned, I can give a lot of advice on the Philippines and HKG if anyone is interested. Everything is a lot cheaper there. FS massage with your pick of a girl in an "aquarium" is about $50US all in.For FS with a J girl, you are probably better off just using AM. If your Japanese is not highly fluent, and your familiarity with the trains not terribly high, any other option runs the risk of you missing your time frame.The closest I can suggest is visit Jan Jan in Sugamo. That's only oral, but the ladies working there all seem to be Japanese. And the price, at between 3000 and 4000 yen, depending on the time of day, is very good for Japan. You might try Grimpeur in Shibuya. I haven't used them, but I understand they are J-girls, and they offer FS. But it's a Deri-heru, which means you'll have to work out a place. They might be able to help you locate a love hotel; Shibuya is full of them. But that will be extra. Search the forum, and you'll find answers to just about all of your questions.
Thanks. I lived in Japan for a year but that was about 15+ years ago but I am still familiar with the railway.I'm looking for a J girl. Last time I was here I went to Kabukicho to the massage place that has been recommended here and got a Thai girl.Any help on a place I can get to and from in about 2 1/2 hours is appreciated.As mentioned, I can give a lot of advice on the Philippines and HKG if anyone is interested. Everything is a lot cheaper there. FS massage with your pick of a girl in an "aquarium" is about $50US all in.6 months ago, just under the tracks at Shimbashi station, I just randomly walked into a basement using a stairway that said R-18 (18 and over) and came into a health shop, they asked me if I spoke Japanese (which I did) and I got to choose between 5 girls who were available at the moment.I remember the girl's name, Noriko, but not the shop's name.Service was great, the girl was slender and cute as hell. 100% Japanese.She said they don't get that many foreigners, so I guess the shop is not on the boards.If I ever go back in that area, I'll try and find it again and report.
Gaijin Otoko
01-08-10, 02:10
Thanks. I lived in Japan for a year but that was about 15+ years ago but I am still familiar with the railway.I'm looking for a J girl. Last time I was here I went to Kabukicho to the massage place that has been recommended here and got a Thai girl.Any help on a place I can get to and from in about 2 1/2 hours is appreciated.As mentioned, I can give a lot of advice on the Philippines and HKG if anyone is interested. Everything is a lot cheaper there. FS massage with your pick of a girl in an "aquarium" is about $50US all in.You might also try these two posts, very informative:http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=938073http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=938074
I was walking around a little and saw a sign that offered a massage on the 2nd floor and was 3000 for 30min and also had prices for 45min and 60min. Are these regular massages?I also saw a sign like that in Kyoto and wondered the same thing.I'll look for the R-18 sign if I go out tonight.I lived in Japan before so I know about the love hotels but I'm afraid that going through the whole process will take too long.
As long as you don't pick Natasha Levine, (http://www.sexyescortads.com/escort-150-107646/) who sells her cherry for a cool quarter million Euro, you should be fine.Natasha? I've had 'er; a couple of times. Not bad for a slapper.
Gaienmae08
01-09-10, 08:38
I had an itch to scratch and a couple of hours to spare so went over to try the (in)famous Jan Jan (or JanJan, Japanese ジャンジャン ) for the first time. Easy enough to find, in fact I had been there once before but too early in the day before they opened so knew where I was going. Nothing spectacular to report, but for anyone (like myself) wondering how this kind of place works, it's like this:1) make the tout outside aware of your presence (not difficult, the street is pretty empty apart from a couple of touts for other places)2) he directs you down the stairs, and presses some kind of doorbell to alert the staff of incoming fire3) the mama-san greets you, relieves you of 3,000 yen, and guides you to a boothThe place is pretty dark and loud disco-style music is playing, there are even some mirror balls etc. It has that distinct "eau de fuzoku" olfactory atmosphere, dominated by the smell of sanitary wipes. The booths are semi-enclosed spaces with a long upholstered bench seat on one side, and a small corner table. Not exactly private, though until your eyes get used to the dark it's hard to work out what's going on around you. The odd slurping sound is hard to overhear when there is a break in the music though. Every now and again the doorbell dingdongs, and there is a constant stream of announcements along the line "Booth 19, your time is up".You wait for a while, then your assigned attendant comes in with a handful of warm o-shibori (towels), introduces herself (I forget the name, but early 30s maybe, from what I could make out not unattractive), engages in a bit of chitchat, then invites you to remove anything restricting access to your lower half. She takes her top off at the same time (presumably more might be possible, but from a subsequent quick exploratory feel I think the painters might have been in, and did not pursue the matter further). She uses one of the o-shibori to wipe down the object of interest (no disinfectant wipes etc. involved), then engages in a bit of touchy-feely during which I imagine a DFK might be possible, but to be honest unless I had a signed affidavit she'd just come on shift following a visit to an oral hygienist, I wouldn't want to go there. Then down to business, which is carried out with the lady in question lying on the bench supporting herself with her left hand on the floor. No complaints about technique, though I am not exactly a BJ connoisseur, and she took everything I had to give like a trouper. Once the transaction was complete she engaged in a little post-coital chitchat before discretely divesting herself of a mouthful of Gaienmae08's potential children into one of the oshibori before assisting with the cleanup operation with the remaining ones. Disappeared for a few minutes, presumably to somewhere involving lots of mouthwash, while I re-robed myself. A bit more chitchat, then off to the door with an invitation to come again, and not 5 minutes later I was on a Yamanote Line train.Was it what I expected? More or less. Would I go again? Possibly, though not in any hurry. I'm not really a BJ afficionado, and the place is too skanky for my taste. Came out feeling in need of a shower and change of clothes (the place has an underlying cigarette smell) and rather stupidly realized too late that there was nowt betwixt my tender posterior and the booth bench (note to self: if there is a next time, at least sit on underpants or appropriate one of the oshiboris, soft lad).
OldAsiaHand
01-09-10, 13:15
I will be staying at a hotel near Shibuya station. Will Grimpeur send the girls to your hotel or only the love hotels nearby the shop?OAH
Samurai666
01-10-10, 06:13
I will be staying at a hotel near Shibuya station. Will Grimpeur send the girls to your hotel or only the love hotels nearby the shop?OAHYou have to go to the shop anyway to pay, you cannot just call and get the girl sent to you. I doubt they will do anything but love hotels but since you have to go there anyway you may as well ask them.My experience with Grimpeur has been quite poor recently. Not as friendly towards (Japanese speaking) gaijin as they used to B. They completely closed the place for foreigners in 2003 after they had a few bad customers.Due to the recession there are now actually quite a few places in Shibuya who accept non-Japanese speaking customers. If you hang out in Dogenzaka at night, especially the area in front of the Lawson convenience store, most likely a tout will approach you and take you to a few places that are okay with gaijin. Quite different from a few years ago.
Greetings all,I am still trying to find JanJan and AM. Can anyone assist? Many thanks!Oh, and someone mentioned slightly higher prices for full service at AM. What sort of numbers are we talking..Mysterio
Mar Deepack
01-12-10, 18:26
Who have some experience and give some information?Any other system for to find real freelancer?
Basementcello
01-12-10, 21:42
Had a chance to visit Grimpeur for the first time the other day, so I thought I would report in and maybe stick a quick guide up for those who are thinking of giving it a try.Getting there:Finding the place was pretty straightforward. They have directions on the website in Japanese. You basically go out of the JR station in Shibuya and go to the main hachiko crossing. When you see the big "109 Building" where all the girls go shopping, take that exit and follow the street on the left hand side of the 109. This is the dogenzaka hill and leads to all the love hotels. After about a 100m, you then need to take the second turning right down a small street. There is a weird looking sign with a pac-man's head on the top of the street. Follow this road straight past a Lawson (to the right of the lawson, there are some semi-decent hotels to use) and you will eventually see the "666" sign on a building on the left. When you get to the 666 building there are 2 curtained entrances, take the right hand one and there should be a few vending machines, ashtrays and three little curtained desks inside. Grimpeur is the furthest desk away and has a sign.Ordering:I did the whole thing in Japanese, and it seemed pretty straightforward. It could be done in English maybe, but the guy behind the desk didn't look like he cared to use anything other than Japanese. There was a big, bouncer size Japanese skinhead guy there who looked my cheesy grin up and down before solemnly asking if I was Japanese. Told him I was half Japanese half English and he brought out 2 photo cards of the girls available (presumably to foreigners). There may have been more, but it was like 10 in the morning on a weekday. Hey, I was bored and horny! They had Mei and another girl who I can't remember. Girl's names were written in Japanese only. Mei looked sexy and young so chose her, then out came the price card and chose 75 mins for 22k (with the added fees, which was paid up front). He then asked if I was a member, then gave me a card. Lastly he asked about hotels. I had spotted some hotels near the Lawson so told him I would call him back when I'd checked in to one nearby. I guess he could guide you to one if you were unsure (?)I doubled back to the Lawson and to a hotel nearby. Once I had checked in to a room, called Grimpeur and told them which hotel and which room I was in. I guess this would be the hardest part for non-Japanese speakers. After about 15 mins, got the knock on the door. Mei was reasonably cute, maybe 70% of her photo. Chubbier cheeks than her photo had given away, early 20s, unremarkable body, pretty small tits, hairy pussy, a couple of suspect bruises on her back and zero English ability. She was, however, really friendly and wasted no time getting me into bed. After a shower together, to bed: lots of kissing, DATY, BBBJ and sumata to finish. Didn't get FS but wasn't too bothered, I asked "shall we? " after I had got her excited, but I think they are being strict on customers. I reckon if I see her again it may be OK. Had a cuddle and a cigarette with her for a bit, chatting about this and that. She was quite funny and open. Said she was fairly new but had been working there often recently, joking about her ex boyfriend and her party lifestyle etc. I got the feeling I could have given her my mail address and gone out drinking with her sometime, turned her over into a sex buddy. By this point, she was more into kissing me than talking so moved onto round two and another good long BBBJ to finish, just as the timer went. Said our goodbyes and jobs a good 'un. Not bad for a pre-lunch relax!Verdict:I was pretty pleased actually. It was a relatively hassle free way to have a good laugh with a cute Japanese girl. Can't wait to try the others when I'm back. If you absolutely must have FS, this is not for you, you may get lucky but don't bank on it.Ease of ordering. 9/10Looks. 6/10Attitude. 9/10; no FS but was very chatty and easy to get on with.Damage. 21k course fee for 75 mins, 1k entrance fee and 5k hotel fee = 27, 000EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.
Really Now
01-13-10, 00:49
Greetings all,I am still trying to find JanJan and AM. Can anyone assist? Many thanks!Oh, and someone mentioned slightly higher prices for full service at AM. What sort of numbers are we talking..MysterioRather than scrolling back, try clicking the Search This Thread button on the upper right hand side of this page. When your there, type in Jan Jan, and Sugimo since that is where Jan Jan is loceated. You'll find Sugimo Station on the Yamanote train line (green color). As for Asian Mystique (AM), simply find their site on Google. Have fun!
Sugamo JR station for JanJan.I had FS from AM without higher payment. I just asked nicely. I expect it is not guaranteed. They will never talk about it because of the legal position.
Tokyo Nampa King
01-13-10, 02:54
My girlfriend is looking at experimenting with some other cock. When she is out partying, she has her urges. However, when she is sober and in work mode, she doesn't want to do it. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone knew of any straight glory holes or happening clubs in the Tokyo/Yokohama area that are easy access? My girlfriend is Japanese.Your best bet is Club Silk in Shinjuku. Here is the website: http://www.Nc-silk. Jp/silk-index_e.htmlGreat place, lots of fun. Its way cheaper for "membership" if you go with your girl. The nomihodai is reasonable. And the experience is unforgetable.There is another place in Shibuya. But I forgot the name.Cheers
Gaijin Otoko
01-13-10, 04:05
Rather than scrolling back, try clicking the Search This Thread button on the upper right hand side of this page. When your there, type in Jan Jan, and Sugimo since that is where Jan Jan is loceated. You'll find Sugimo Station on the Yamanote train line (green color). As for Asian Mystique (AM), simply find their site on Google. Have fun!Just make sure you spell it Sugamo, not Sugimo. For those who are curious, it means duck's nest.
Sugamo JR station for JanJan.I had FS from AM without higher payment. I just asked nicely. I expect it is not guaranteed. They will never talk about it because of the legal position.AM offers FS. It's sort of guaranteed in the sense that you should always get it, but you're right, they won't talk about it.That is, unless you and me are talking about a different AM.
I will be staying at a hotel near Shibuya station. Will Grimpeur send the girls to your hotel or only the love hotels nearby the shop?OAHGrimpeur is not a hotel deli, you need to show up there and pay the bill. If it's not far, they might send the girl to your hotel, but it's their discretion. You probably need to speak passable Japanese nowadays.
Does anyone know what happened to Marina from Club Boo?She disappeared from their web site.
AM offers FS. It's sort of guaranteed in the sense that you should always get it, but you're right, they won't talk about it.That is, unless you and me are talking about a different AM.Asian Mystique. I should have said "ask the lady nicely".
I had akasuri recently. It's mentioned in earlier posts, it's a good solid body scrub that takes layers of skin off.Does anyone know how often you can have this done? I'm guessing every week would be too often. Once a month?
Evan Stoner
01-14-10, 16:42
I had akasuri recently. It's mentioned in earlier posts, it's a good solid body scrub that takes layers of skin off. Does anyone know how often you can have this done? I'm guessing every week would be too often. Once a month?Apparently no more than twice a day is advised. If they try to do it more often, I would report them. Reportedly wearing a flak jacket also helps.Best of luck.ES
Really Now
01-14-10, 16:46
I've only been to Champs a few times over the years. Can anyone that's familiar with both places break down the small differences. Assuming the providers are similar at both, have you had more luck with talent at one or the other? How about the rooms themselves? Same lay out over at NY-NY? Champs' table-beds are high, I guess this lends to the massage/sauna image the law stipulates. If you were to choose solely on the room layout, would you always choose one over the other? Feel to chime in here on the forum or hit me up with a PM. Many thanks in advance.
I've only been to Champs a few times over the years. Can anyone that's familiar with both places break down the small differences. Assuming the providers are similar at both, have you had more luck with talent at one or the other? How about the rooms themselves? Same lay out over at NY-NY? Champs' table-beds are high, I guess this lends to the massage/sauna image the law stipulates. If you were to choose solely on the room layout, would you always choose one over the other? Feel to chime in here on the forum or hit me up with a PM. Many thanks in advance.The owner is the same, the price is the same, the furnishing of the rooms is similar. At NYNY I remember long hallways with similar rooms on both sides, Champs seems to be smaller and the layout of the rooms may differ a bit.Actually your success depends on the provider. I have had good experiences at both shops, and mediocre ones at both. The last two times I went to Champs and did not have old chubby providers as I had twice at NYNY, so I may prefer Champs again the next time - until I get a bad provider there and change to NYNY ;-) . Don't expect more than body wash, bath, massage and HJ and you'll be satisfied. If you additionally get DFK, anal lick, and/or BBBJ you'll be happy.
They are the same. You really can't tell any difference.
I've only been to Champs a few times over the years. Can anyone that's familiar with both places break down the small differences. Assuming the providers are similar at both, have you had more luck with talent at one or the other? How about the rooms themselves? Same lay out over at NY-NY? Champs' table-beds are high, I guess this lends to the massage/sauna image the law stipulates. If you were to choose solely on the room layout, would you always choose one over the other? Feel to chime in here on the forum or hit me up with a PM. Many thanks in advance.
I remember there was a BBBJ shop called Super Girl in Shinbashi. But I couldn't find it anymore.Is it still operating, still gaijin friendly?
Gaijin Otoko
01-15-10, 13:01
I remember there was a BBBJ shop called Super Girl in Shinbashi. But I couldn't find it anymore.Is it still operating, still gaijin friendly?A search of the forum will reveal the long and sad tale. Supergirls is NO LONGER gaijin friendly. It hasn't been so for quite a while now.
I asked some questions about the Shimbashi area so here's what I found.One of the first days I went out, I saw all of the "girls bars" while I was looking for the R-18 place that was mentioned. Never found it but after walking around for a while, I was persuaded for a 3000yen massage by one of the Taiwanese ladies.In another cube I could hear the moans and the lady told me that for 7000 more, I would be "very, very happy" so I gave in. I figured I had to be back at the hotel in less than an hour so I wouldn't have more time to look around.As soon as I gave the money, the tune changed a little. I had a 30sec CBJ and then a HJ for the rest.A few days later, I walked past Supergirls because there were a few women talking right in front and turned right on the next street. A J girl offered me a massage for 5000 and kept telling me that it really was 5000 and wouldn't be more. But, I wanted to try Supergirls so I declined.I went around the block and just walked down the stairs. Since it was 9:30pm, I had to pay 9000 and it was just as reported before.A couple of days later I went back at about 8:30pm and the price was 8000.I am Asian so that is probably why I wasn't stopped. I wanted to try a girls bar but I thought my lack of Japanese would have made it difficult.
Basementcello
01-16-10, 11:04
I am always on the look out for a good Korean DH to try. When you get it right, you can find great FS with a super hot girl and at a decent price. When you get it wrong, it is a fantastic waste of time.One of the huge problems choosing a girl on Korean DH websites is that they are all photoshopped to hell. The fakers who run the websites are so sneakily deceptive, regularly turning water into wine and regular girls into strange anime/manga hybrids. One way you can get around this is to look for KDHs that have movies of their girls. These are much harder to doctor than photos. In any case, I managed to find a new place called Shiro-Bara that for once, didn't heavily alter their pictures. Low and behold, they had some half decent looking girls. So decided to give it a try one afternoon.http://shiro-bara.net/ladies.htmlCalled them up beforehand asking who was available and they said which girls would be there and I booked Naomi, who looked quite game. They said call when you get to a hotel and they will send the girl. After some hunting around Uguisudani's north exit, a love hotel haven and centre of the KDHs, found a room and checked in. I then called Shiro-bara to tell them where I was. Perhaps because of my accent or something, the lady asked if I was Japanese (my heart always sinks at this bit). I told them I was half and they said "sorry, she (Naomi) doesn't like foreigners". I asked if any of the other girls would be fine with me and she also said "no, they can't be sent either". Now I know a certain amount of tacit discrimination exists against servicing foreigners in Japan. But perhaps they don't quite get irony in Korea - YOU ARE A BUNCH OF FOREIGNERS TOO!!! I pointed this out politely to her on the phone and hung up - no business for you idiots then.Being in a love hotel with nothing to do does indeed suck, so called up story DH, who I had used before and was pleased with.(http://www.storydh.com/main.html) They said they had one girl - Kanon - available, and I had them send her over. Knock on the door 20 mins later and she was quite cute and seemed friendly, maybe not totally my type. Definitely the girl from the photo in any case. Decided on 100 mins for 25k, paid up and we hit the shower. I had to endure the spraying of disinfectant on my nob, never a fun experience as well as the general wash down. I should have seen the warning signs when I tried to playfully touch her in the shower only for her to reply in crappy Japanese "later, not yet..."As we went to bed, she told me to lie down and said "you can just sleep" - huh? What shite is this? I tried to go for a kiss and she said no, and I realised I was in for a bad ride. She wouldn't let me kiss her body in any way...damn. She grabbed a condom and strapped it on me, even though I wasn't really hard, going straight for CBJ. She then lubed herself up, hopped on and demanded I get on with it...a very depressing situation. Had FS, but all the while she complained it hurt. She also kept asking me if I was done yet. After what seemed like an eternity, I eventually finished and went to get changed, even though 100 mins usually means round two is guaranteed. She asked if something was wrong, don't you want to go again? etc. and I just said I'm going home. No use in pushing the issue. I did however tell the tencho on the phone that she had a bad attitude, I was disappointed and I wouldn't return.So, as you Americans say indeed, "your mileage may vary". Or the car won't start at all. A thoroughly crap experience and I won't bother with them again. So if you do decide to use a KDH, make sure the girl does what you want on the phone to the tencho, specify a nice/popular girl and don't take any shit. AND, unless you are supremely confident that you won't be found out, you should mention that you are a foreigner on the phone beforehand. Whilst you may be turned down, you can at least avoid the discrimination crap before you pay the hotel fee.Ease of ordering: 8/10Looks: 6.5/10Attitude: 0/10Damage: 25k for the girl, 5k for the room = 30,000EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.
LoveShibuyaGirls
01-17-10, 01:17
Hey All - What do all of the little cartoon icons on the girls' profiles stand for with Komachi and its sister shops?You can see them, for example, here:http://www.s-komachi.jp/before_profile/profile.html?id=244For example, starting at the top row going left to right, it looks like for this girl:DFK = YesNot sureNot sureBJ = YesBJ with your hands on top of her head (?) = YesRimming = NoFingering = YesTit fucking (?) = NoOn top = Yes69 = YesSpits = Yes (ie doesn't swallow)
Azure Knight
01-17-10, 05:37
Hey All - What do all of the little cartoon icons on the girls' profiles stand for with Komachi and its sister shops?You can see them, for example, here:http://www.s-komachi.jp/before_profile/profile.html?id=244The first yellow square says "Basic Play". Then from there, left to right top to bottom, its Deep KissBody KissingLotion PlayBall LickingBJAss LickingFingeringTitty FuckingSumata69CIMCircle is yes, triangle is maybe and X is no.
Azure Knight
01-17-10, 05:38
Does anyone know what happened to Marina from Club Boo?She disappeared from their web site.Retired perhaps? I enjoyed her services twice so that's too bad. If anyone knows anything else please share.
hey all - what do all of the little cartoon icons on the girls' profiles stand for with komachi and its sister shops?you can see them, for example, here:http://www.s-komachi.jp/before_profile/profile.html?id=244for example, starting at the top row going left to right, it looks like for this girl:dfk = yesnot surenot surebj = yesbj with your hands on top of her head (?) = yesrimming = nofingering = yestit fucking (?) = noon top = yes69 = yesspits = yes (ie doesn't swallow)starting left to right, they are:first row:-dfk-whole body kissing-lotion play-ball licking (?) - pretty sure that's what this is.-bjsecond row:-analingus/rimming-fingering-tit-fucking-sumata (simulated sex where the dick rubs between her thighs)-69-can't make out the kanji on the last one, but from the first few, it looks to mean cim (vs no cim allowed)third row without icons--gokkun - swallowing-pretty sure this one is [CodeWord117] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord117)-vibrators-af- anal sex
Hi all,I am staying at the Westin Hotel in Tokyo near Ebisu. I have a few questions since this is my first time in Tokyo, and yes I've read the forum.- The hotel offers in-room massage services. Any idea if extra's are available?- Is there any action to be picked up at the hotels bars (they have a few)?- Are there any Pink Salon's or the like in the Ebisu area?Thanks in advance!Dave
Apparently no more than twice a day is advised. If they try to do it more often, I would report them. Reportedly wearing a flak jacket also helps.Best of luck.ESIs this supposed to be funny, because I have no idea what you are on about.
I will be in Japan (Tokyo) in march and am very interested in a foreigner friendly experience (either MP or Escort). Unfortunately I am black and have heard it is seriously taboo to "play" with foreigners let alone black/arab foreigners.Any hope?
I think you watched too much american movie. "lost in translation" does not happen just like that. High end hotel does not have any extra service at all. At least the most I stayed before. You can call those deliver service from the reports before, if you japanese is good. Ebisu doesn't have that much fun for adults. Take JR line one station north, you will be in shibuya. That will be your best pick. Ueno is nice also.
Hi all,I am staying at the Westin Hotel in Tokyo near Ebisu. I have a few questions since this is my first time in Tokyo, and yes I've read the forum.- The hotel offers in-room massage services. Any idea if extra's are available?- Is there any action to be picked up at the hotels bars (they have a few)?- Are there any Pink Salon's or the like in the Ebisu area?Thanks in advance!Dave
Go to Hinomaru in Shinjuku if you want some BBBJ.They never turn down anyone.
I will be in Japan (Tokyo) in march and am very interested in a foreigner friendly experience (either MP or Escort). Unfortunately I am black and have heard it is seriously taboo to "play" with foreigners let alone black/arab foreigners.Any hope?
Hi all,I am staying at the Westin Hotel in Tokyo near Ebisu. I have a few questions since this is my first time in Tokyo, and yes I've read the forum.- The hotel offers in-room massage services. Any idea if extra's are available?- Is there any action to be picked up at the hotels bars (they have a few)?- Are there any Pink Salon's or the like in the Ebisu area?Thanks in advance!DaveThe only time I had an in hotel massage in Japan it ended up being done by a man in his 50's.Thus I didn't even consider asking after for extras.No loss because I was actually in pain after slipping on some ice and what I needed was a bloody good massage not a reach around.Moreover the legit massage biz in Japan goes out of it's way to emphasize that it is non-sexual.But as I type I find myself thinking that if you did have a suitably aged woman come to give a massage in a hotel room, and it was a skin on skin massage, that could be an indicator that extras are available because most massages in Japan are conducted through clothes, sheets or towels with zero skin on skin contact.I'd say a hotel bar would be a slightly worse place to pick-up a regular girl in than a regular bar because there wouldn't be much traffic. On the other hand if you did happen to find a lone female Japanese traveler in the hotel bar so long as you were half-way attractive and charming it could work out very nicely, because relative to most other places women in Japan are more open to discrete one night stands.
Gaienmae08
01-18-10, 14:32
Hi all,I am staying at the Westin Hotel in Tokyo near Ebisu. I have a few questions since this is my first time in Tokyo, and yes I've read the forum.- The hotel offers in-room massage services. Any idea if extra's are available?Very probably not.
- Is there any action to be picked up at the hotels bars (they have a few)?I doubt it (though there might always be nanpa possibilities I suppose).
- Are there any Pink Salon's or the like in the Ebisu area?Not that I am aware of. Geographically Gotanda will be the closest area with any sort of action, but otherwise the Yamanote Line will get you easily to the usual places (Shibuya, Shinjuku, Ikebukuro, Sugamo etc.)I might be wrong about any of the above though.
Ebisu is more of an upscale area, and I think there have been reports of delivery type services in the past, it's not a famous place for P4P. Shibuya, Shinjuku will be your best bets. Distance-wise Shibuya might be your best bet, but prices will be around the 20, 000 yen range depending on how long you want to play. If you want to play below 10, 000 yen, then Shinjuku, Ikebukuro are probably better choices but you will then have to get on the train (or higher taxi fare). I suggest looking at the previous reports for pointers on places that will accept foreigners.I wouldn't even try approaching the Westin massage staff for services. I couldn't imagine the response you would get. I cannot comment on if the hotel will allow a delivery girl into the hotel, or if the service will allow the girl to service customers in a well known hotel like the Westin. All of this being said, perhaps you may consider AM or Club Boo, although I have not used their services.
Hi all,I am staying at the Westin Hotel in Tokyo near Ebisu. I have a few questions since this is my first time in Tokyo, and yes I've read the forum.- The hotel offers in-room massage services. Any idea if extra's are available?- Is there any action to be picked up at the hotels bars (they have a few)?- Are there any Pink Salon's or the like in the Ebisu area?Thanks in advance!Dave
One Eyed Man
01-18-10, 21:11
Hi all,I am staying at the Westin Hotel in Tokyo near Ebisu. I have a few questions since this is my first time in Tokyo, and yes I've read the forum.- The hotel offers in-room massage services. Any idea if extra's are available?- Is there any action to be picked up at the hotels bars (they have a few)?- Are there any Pink Salon's or the like in the Ebisu area?Thanks in advance!DaveThe Westin is a very upscale hotel! I've stayed there several times, but haven't used the in-house massage services, but it's not China, so I doubt anything is on offer. I found the lobby bar to be VERY quiet. You see gorgeous girls in the lobby, but they're waiting for Japanese friends. I've read reports in the forum of a couple places in town down by the subway stop, but I haven't had time to check them out. The hotel is very convenient to public transportation, and you can take the JR line to Shinjuku or the subway to Roppongi.
AtlasArchw
01-18-10, 23:47
Like the previous poster, I will also be staying at high-end hotel in Tokyo(Park Hyatt). Will girls from AM, for example, come to the hotel (and will they get hassled on the way in?) Or does one meet the girl in the bar first?
Hi all,I am staying at the Westin Hotel in Tokyo near Ebisu. I have a few questions since this is my first time in Tokyo, and yes I've read the forum.- The hotel offers in-room massage services. Any idea if extra's are available?Do you like 50+ blind men? If so you might get lucky...IF you can afford the Westin, then just order takeout from AM.
Thanks everyone for the feedback. I took one for the team and tried the in-room massage. God massage but thats about it, NO EXTRA's. When I came out of the bathroom naked the girl almost $h! T her pants. Oh well, on to the next attempt.
Tokyo Nampa King
01-19-10, 08:29
Thanks everyone for the feedback. I took one for the team and tried the in-room massage. God massage but thats about it, NO EXTRA's. When I came out of the bathroom naked the girl almost $h! T her pants. Oh well, on to the next attempt.hahahahaha.. that is the funniest shit I have heard all day. Man this is not the movies and the WESTIN does not offer a rub and tug. Wish I saw your post before you tried it.I can imagine that poor girls face when you walked out naked with a raging gaijin boner.
Basementcello
01-19-10, 08:51
I reported about a crappy experience with a Korean DH I ordered from in Uguisudani a while ago. I was looking for some info on which would be a good place to order from so that I would be better informed in future and I stumbled upon something interesting I should probably warn you guys about.Anyway, Japanese punters regularly report on their trips to hotel healths, soaplands etc on the internet. If you type in something like 体験レポート and the name of the place you want to know about in google.co.jp, there may be a review or two there to take a look at. I was having a look after my bad experience with story DH, and found this website where guys can report on the individual girls of each Korean health in Tokyo.http://www.kan-deli.net/index.htmlThey have lots of reports and links to the websites of the healths with dates and names of the girls. The good thing is that they comment on how good looking the girls actually are in person, how their performance is in the bedroom and what services they give. They go into a fair amount of detail - does the girl have piercings, does she smoke, does she speak Japanese or English. What was quite funny was they even list if her breath or pussy smells funny, how tight she is downstairs and what brand of cigarette she smokes! Like listing video game characteristics in some bizarre RPG.So they have a code, to talk about each girl like we do on international sex guide. I had a look around at some other websites and managed to understand this much at least. Kissing is DK, BBBJ is NF (or nama fera in Japanese) and there are a few others I could decipher. I was somewhat vexed by these three which seemed to crop up often in Japanese guy's reports:G着NSNNAfter reading several reports it became clear (and forgive my naiveness if you already know this). G着 (G for gomu) refers to full sex with a condom. NS (nama soto) is unprotected sex, cumming outside the girl. NN (nama naka) refers to unprotected sex cumming inside the girl. Just glancing at the reports, it is clear that almost half the girls regularly give FS without a condom. There are references to girls saying things like "I'm on the pill, so its ok" or "without condom is fine, just make sure you finish outside" and so on. Of course, the punters who report are thrilled to bits with this and expect unprotected FS from Korean girls as standard. There may be further info on this for regular Japanese healths out there but I have yet to see it.In this day and age it seems unbelievable! But there you have it, be very careful when ordering from Korean DH places. Who knows where she's been.EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.
Thanks Smith Ed. I look forward to trying them when I get there. I assume they speak (some) english and BBBJ works for me. I may walk around after to see if there are any FS places but it will be great to take a look around in of itself.It will be my first time in Tokyo.
Ralph Kramden
01-19-10, 13:31
You will find the phone operator at AM very helpful and knowledgeable about whether any particular hotel is girl friendly or not. I suspect their stable of providers have visited just about every type of hotel available over the years. Just call them and ask.
Like the previous poster, I will also be staying at high-end hotel in Tokyo (Park Hyatt). Will girls from AM, for example, come to the hotel (and will they get hassled on the way in?) Or does one meet the girl in the bar first?No, they wouldnt have any problems at all.
Thanks Smith Ed. I look forward to trying them when I get there. I assume they speak (some) english and BBBJ works for me. I may walk around after to see if there are any FS places but it will be great to take a look around in of itself.It will be my first time in Tokyo.you are welcome. But remeber. Being polite and go with the flow. If the price is way too high than you expected or higher than you search online, walk away. Do you look white or asian? If you want FS, try the massage place near shinjuku, not in the kabukicho. 10K for 30 mins and some other place in takanobaba. AM would be nice and very easy to get some. If you wondering in shibuya, go to grimpeur. Some of the girls are willing to do FS but remember to be polite about it. No means no. Soapland was a great experience, once in a life time is good enough. But very experience. Depends on what you looking for, I can give you more info on other places.
Thanks everyone for the feedback. I took one for the team and tried the in-room massage. God massage but thats about it, NO EXTRA's. When I came out of the bathroom naked the girl almost $h! T her pants. Oh well, on to the next attempt.Wow, you are really taking one for the team. But how was the massage? Go to asian feel in shimjuku or shibuya, you will always get a happy ending. Location please see preivous reports.
Thanks Smith Ed. I look forward to trying them when I get there. I assume they speak (some) english and BBBJ works for me. I may walk around after to see if there are any FS places but it will be great to take a look around in of itself.It will be my first time in Tokyo.This is something for everyone. It's a full list of massage place in tokyo. Rule of thumb, if the place only has 2 or 3 staff, it means a crappy establishment. If the place is very discrete and high volume of staff, you would have a lot fun. But doubt check some of the places are not offer any reach around or FS.http://deli-hyo.com/shinjuku/
Vito Corleone
01-20-10, 07:44
If you want FS, try the massage place near shinjuku, not in the kabukicho. 10K for 30 mins and some other place in takanobaba. AM would be nice and very easy to get some.Takadanobaba. 1-2 stops on the Yamanote line from Shinjuku station.
Shoebridge
01-20-10, 10:29
This may be a little off-topic, but am sitting in Narita airport on my way back to the States from Bangkok. Looking at some pretty girls, which reminded me of the time I used to date a Japanese American girl. My question is, if I came over here for 3-6 months (to teach English, for example), is Japan the sort of place that being white is going to lead to my easily dating local women? I don't mean P4P, which I'd be likely doing either way, I just wondered if I had any hope of dating a local?In Thailand, it seems rather unlikely, but in Argentina and a host of other places, its pretty easy.Thanks,Shoe
Shoganai Ne
01-20-10, 14:59
Hello, fellow gaijin sempais,I recently found this site and have realized that for some weird reason, looking for sex or no, I have visited just about everyday. Weird but as educational as it has been to discovering the sex underground of tokyo, some of the stories are just plain out great entertainment to help me through my boring life here in japan.With that said, I have decided that I shall make my first attempt into the world of mongreling. (is that a word?) I mean, when in japan, right?For some background info, I have a japanese girlfriend who is quite sexy and yes, we do bang quite a bit. I also go to the occasional bar and get my fair share of one night stands as well. So while thats all good fun (and free) there has been some fantasies that come festered themselves to the point where I'm just ready to hell, give it a go.I'm trying to ease my way into this scene here and I think a good place to start would be a pink salon. I've always been curious about the japanese school girl look and kinda want to go to a pink salon that has that going on.Anyone have any good recommendations? I've read about that sekai place out in gotanda but it seems a bit difficult to get into, being gaijin and all. So if anyone wants to help a rookie out, thatll be most helpful. I will of course, log my experiences here as well.
There are no pink salons any more, but there is one fashion health (whether they accept foreigners during this particular season is anyone's guess) called New York. You can find it on the west side of the Yamanote line, not far from the station. http://tokyo.mxy.jp/10102/There is also a Chinese rub & tub place on the east side of the station. http://www.e-hyakkaen.com/ Service here depends very much on the girl. For example, Tanpopo will ask for an extra 3000 yen and take her top off for you, while Koyuki will do the same for free and even go as far as licking your Johnson if you are on good terms. I got some sumata from her last time even!
Hi all,I am staying at the Westin Hotel in Tokyo near Ebisu. I have a few questions since this is my first time in Tokyo, and yes I've read the forum.- The hotel offers in-room massage services. Any idea if extra's are available?- Is there any action to be picked up at the hotels bars (they have a few)?- Are there any Pink Salon's or the like in the Ebisu area?Thanks in advance!Dave
Ok, went to Asian Feeling tonight (er, yesterday evening). Told them I had been there before and wanted the 60 min for 6k yen. Brings me back, girl comes in (great rack!) walks me to the shower, I shower alone., she drys me (minimal touching), starts massage, after 60 minutes she says thank you and I'm on my way. Had to head back to the hotel to take things into my own hands.
AussieGaigin
01-20-10, 20:08
TMy question is, if I came over here for 3-6 months (to teach English, for example), is Japan the sort of place that being white is going to lead to my easily dating local women? I don't mean P4P, which I'd be likely doing either way, I just wondered if I had any hope of dating a local?Generally, YES.Have a read through the NAMPA section, there are lots of clues on how to meet local girls for one night stands or LT relationships.
Captain Yonoi
01-21-10, 01:36
As for Tokyo, in my opinion nothing beats Yoshiwara, but since it is on the pricey side, I sometimes hit this little Korean massage joint by Nippori Station as my cheaper option. It's called Star Relaxation Massage. Exit Nippori eki, south side, go down the stairs turn right, take first left and there it is. Massage sign written in katakana. Under one minute walk from the station. 100% gaijin ok. Been there 5 times, every girl is attractive and under 30. They have 3 courses. Short 9, 000 middle 13, 000 and long 17, 000. I always do the short. Wash-massage-HJ-wash. Good service. Girls always get naked, you can grab t&a, some will do a bit of body licking or sumata. Considering it's under ichiman, girls are hot, easy to get to, I'd say it's a good value.I have yet to try the middle or longer courses. MAYBE there is BJ/FS, MAYBE it's just a longer massage. Not sure. Check it out. Enjoy.www.star-es.com
Tokyo Nampa King
01-21-10, 02:23
Hello, fellow gaijin sempais,I recently found this site and have realized that for some weird reason, looking for sex or no, I have visited just about everyday. Weird but as educational as it has been to discovering the sex underground of tokyo, some of the stories are just plain out great entertainment to help me through my boring life here in japan.With that said, I have decided that I shall make my first attempt into the world of mongreling. (is that a word?) I mean, when in japan, right?For some background info, I have a japanese girlfriend who is quite sexy and yes, we do bang quite a bit. I also go to the occasional bar and get my fair share of one night stands as well. So while thats all good fun (and free) there has been some fantasies that come festered themselves to the point where I'm just ready to hell, give it a go.I'm trying to ease my way into this scene here and I think a good place to start would be a pink salon. I've always been curious about the japanese school girl look and kinda want to go to a pink salon that has that going on.Anyone have any good recommendations? I've read about that sekai place out in gotanda but it seems a bit difficult to get into, being gaijin and all. So if anyone wants to help a rookie out, thatll be most helpful. I will of course, log my experiences here as well.Search the forum for Jan Jan. Its in Sugamo near Ikebukero on the Yamanote line. Its exactly what you are looking for. And cheap enough (3000 yen during the day) that if you don't enjoy it. Its not like you lost out in the wallet much.Mayu is quite young and cute if she is working there still.
Ok, went to Asian Feeling tonight (er, yesterday evening). Told them I had been there before and wanted the 60 min for 6k yen. Brings me back, girl comes in (great rack!) walks me to the shower, I shower alone., she drys me (minimal touching), starts massage, after 60 minutes she says thank you and I'm on my way. Had to head back to the hotel to take things into my own hands.You should ask for the Oil Massage course (10,000yen) to get the happy ending.
Here's my report on my first visit to Grimpeur, on a weekday afternoon.I was just wandering around Shibuya killing time when I stumbled onto it and happened to recognise it immediately from reading a posting here a few days earlier.So as I had some time I decided to check things out. First impression was the staff didn't seem to show any surprise about a foreigner being there. They did ask (in Japanese) if I spoke Japanese (which I do, somewhat).Shown photo cards for the 3 girls apparently available. All 3 looked reasonable. Each card had height, cup size etc as well as small print with all the various services (in Japanese) each girl could provide. Unfortunately I couldn't read what they were but clearly some girls do more than others, as expected.I chose "Kurumi" for 60 minutes of play time. Was escorted to the love hotel across the street, which I had read here was not the best, but decided in my limited available time that it would serve the purpose and save figuring out how to try and advise room number and so on.Waited in the room what seemed like a long time. Probably 20 minutes. Room itself was plain, as expected. Not exactly dirty, but certainly not new. Sheets and towels at least were spotless and fresh.Eventually Kurumi arrives. On the bright side, she looked as good as in the photo I thought so no disappointment there. She was not very talkative and went straight for the toothbrush shortly after complaining about it being too cold and too bright.She then slips quickly out of her clothes and we showered together with a bit of attention to the important bits but definitely more practical than GFE. She gargled with that iodine mouthwash I'd read about here, and asked me to do the same.So up until this point things seem to be going reasonably as expected.We head for the bed. And she turns her back and goes for the TV guide. And reads. And reads. Not a good sign. So I ask her to come back and forget the TV, but it takes quite some persuasion to get her to agree.When she is eventually on the bed she is just lying there doing nothing. I ask if there is anything in particular she likes, and she says "everything" (when it is clear the real answer is "nothing").Asked if kissing was OK, she said yes, I thought maybe that will be a start and after the iodine gargle I figured DFK would be offered, but her mouth was shut tighter than a fugu's arsehole so gave up on that fairly quickly.She eventually started on BBBJ and did quite a good job of it in a few positions, but a few times looked worried that I was about to cum and made it clear that wasn't on the menu.She asked several times how I liked to "finish". But it seemed that everything I asked for was not on her menu. Maybe I just needed to be more assertive from the outset.There was an odd point in between all this conversation where she did seem to accept that traditional FS was in fact on the menu, and asked whether or not I'd prefer to use a condom (and seemed indifferent either way. Which surprised me for a J-girl who I thought would know better).In the end we finished with sumata which was very pleasant and a first time for me, although I wondered just how safe that might be, particularly given she seemed to not be too concerned about offering "nama" FS.Looks: 7/10. C-section scar; soft somewhat empty feeling breasts but otherwise quite attractiveGFE: 1/10. Almost no eye contact; extremely passiveCommunication: Not great, but passable in Japanese; very limited EnglishBBBJ: 7/10. Could have had a +1 each for CIM or more enthusiasm and eye contactOther services: 0/10 (ultimately most things weren't on offer)Repeat this girl: NopeRepeat at Grimpeur? Not in a hurry. Looks like the range of girls on the web site is quite large, but presumably many are off-limits to foreigners. I didn't have a chance to try any of the cheaper (or more expensive) P4P venues, and with quite a bit to choose from and a not spectacular experience here I think I would go somewhere else first but perhaps give Grimpeur a second chance if I happened to find myself with an hour to spare on its doorstep again some time.Conclusion: an interesting introduction to Japanese P4P for me, with a first experience of sumata and a decent (but expensive and CIM-less BBBJ) with a pretty young real J-girl.EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.
"There was an odd point in between all this conversation where she did seem to accept that traditional FS was in fact on the menu, and asked whether or not I'd prefer to use a condom (and seemed indifferent either way. Which surprised me for a J-girl who I thought would know better).'--LOL who are these intelligent J-girls you know that are so sexually responsible? Who are these mysterious J-girls who insist on the guy using a condom???!!
Greektyranny1234
01-23-10, 13:00
Has anyone used hole in 1 recently?Is it friendly to foreigners who dont speak japanese?
Strong Sky
01-24-10, 03:25
I'm new in town and live in Ebisu, and have no experience in Tokyo underground sex life.I'm looking to get a good looking Japanese girl to my place and willing to pay around 40,000Yen / hour.I'll be more than thankful if someone can recommend to me a very gaijin-friendly website or phone number with only English speaking since i don't know a single word of Japanese. Something quick & simple.Cheers!
Has anyone tried any of the services advertised under "Erotic" on Craiglist ? Their seem to be a bunch of ladies freelancing and was looking for feedback.
Evan Stoner
01-24-10, 08:42
Has anyone used hole in 1 recently?Is it friendly to foreigners who dont speak japanese?Not recently, but had カテリーン about 3 years ago. I can recommend her, good body, nice tits (enhanced), definitely not 23... maybe late 20's or even 30 by now? She's not American either... eastern European if I recall. The pictures are real. FS was an extra 10k I think.http://holein-1.jp/profile.php?id=012I did speak Japanese on the phone, so not sure what the situation is for non-speakers... can't help out on this point. Would say there is a good chance whoever answers the phone won't speak good English. Just my impression, but you can find out with one phone call.ES
Mar Deepack
01-25-10, 03:00
Has anyone tried any of the services advertised under "Erotic" on Craiglist ? Their seem to be a bunch of ladies freelancing and was looking for feedback.Good service from one, 20. 000 yen FS, girl 7, BBJ 7, FS 7Offer massage but you can get FS.
Gaijin Otoko
01-25-10, 03:12
I'm new in town and live in Ebisu, and have no experience in Tokyo underground sex life.I'm looking to get a good looking Japanese girl to my place and willing to pay around 40,000Yen / hour.I'll be more than thankful if someone can recommend to me a very gaijin-friendly website or phone number with only English speaking since i don't know a single word of Japanese. Something quick & simple.Cheers!Try Asian Mystique http://www.asianmystique.com/top.html It's a bit more expensive, and whether or not they meet your definition of "good looking" is a matter of personal preference, but you can't beat the service if you don't speak a single word of Japanese.Manami (aka Tokyo Melty Kiss) is also a good choice. She's good looking and does incall, and many have commented on her skills. http://www.tokyomeltykiss.com/Finally, Club Boo is an option, although the general consensus is that it is the least gaijin friendly and has the most question marks, but some folks swear by it. http://www.clubboo.jp/frames/home.htm The biggest point in its favor is that some claim that the Club Boo girls are more attractive, but the biggest negative is that FS is not guaranteed. Beyond that, RTFF.
Gaijin Otoko
01-25-10, 03:16
Has anyone tried any of the services advertised under "Erotic" on Craiglist ? Their seem to be a bunch of ladies freelancing and was looking for feedback.I've done a significant amount of research, and I have not used any because my impressions are that 1) some of them are fake 2) others are high maintenance - which is not what I'm looking for and 3) most of them charge more than AM, TMK, or CB. But I'd be interested in hearing if anyone has had a more positive experience than mine.
OldAsiaHand
01-25-10, 15:15
Try Asian Mystique http://www.asianmystique.com/top.html It's a bit more expensive, and whether or not they meet your definition of "good looking" is a matter of personal preference, but you can't beat the service if you don't speak a single word of Japanese.Manami (aka Tokyo Melty Kiss) is also a good choice. She's good looking and does incall, and many have commented on her skills. http://www.tokyomeltykiss.com/Finally, Club Boo is an option, although the general consensus is that it is the least gaijin friendly and has the most question marks, but some folks swear by it. http://www.clubboo.jp/frames/home.htm The biggest point in its favor is that some claim that the Club Boo girls are more attractive, but the biggest negative is that FS is not guaranteed. Beyond that, RTFF.I've tried Asian Mystique, Club Boo and recently Nasty Dolls. I must agree with the consensus here. For the non-Japanese speaker who can afford it, this is the way to go. First of all, it is easy; just a phone call to an English speaking person from the comfort of your hotel room. Second, there is no risk of gaijin rejection. Third, the girls all speak passable English; some nearly fluent.After trying them all, I recommend AM. It has always been straightforward, 2 pops, get what you paid for service. Club Boo has been hit or miss for me. As Gaijin Otoko has pointed out FS is not always guaranteed. Some girls tried to upsell me for the FS, some included it for the agreed price and others would only provide a BBBJ period. I did not find them that more attractive than AM. I've only tried Nasty Dolls once. There were only 2 girls available when I called in the afternoon to book that evening and only 3 available for the following day. I only wanted the 45 minute option but the girl I wanted would only accept 90 minutes which is the same price AM charges for 2 hours. I made the mistake of taking the 45 minute one and was disappointed. I think she goes for 45 minutes since she is desperate for business based on her looks. YMMV. Just my POV.OAH
Went off to UCLA Little Bear for the first time tonight, on the way home.Was about 10: 30pm, so I wasn't sure if the girls were going to be tired or not (seems the shift is from 5pm onwards) but I thought I would try my luck anyway.Knew about the place from reading the forum, and I used to live in Ikebukuro a few years ago, and bought international food and alcohol at the Yamaya across the street.Went up, and the manager was kind of freindly. First asked if I can talk Japanese (mine is passable), which I confirmed. He then said 30 minutes ok? And asked if? Was ok (gamufera. Covered BJ) and pointed at two girls on the wall. I can't really feel anything with a covered BJ, so I asked if? (namafera. BBBJ) was ok. Thats what I was there for, wasn't going to try and get honban.He said it was ok for the 45 minutes course.Damage was 11000 Yen for the 45 mins, plus 1000 for being after 5pm, plus 2000 for shimei (choosing) which I guess I paid because I asked for someone who did BBBJ, even though I didn't get to choose, and wasnt quite sure who I was going to end up with. Plus an extra 1000 yen, which I assume was a gaijin tax. So 15000 total. A little more than I thought, but I wasn't going to haggle. Thats disrespectful.Anyway, wait in the waiting room for about 5 mins. A Japanese guy ahead of me. Both of us avoiding eye contact like the plague. He went in to a sideroom first. I was ushered about 3 mins later into a different room.Walked into the room. Which is TINY, as other people have mentioned. But functional I guess. And quite clean if a little old. A bed, a small area for your clothes and stuff, and a shower.The girl who met me at the door was (I think!) named? (Sae) 19 Years Old and Japanese.I forgot to get her name, but looking at the online schedule, I'm pretty sure its her.Anyway. She was a little bit plump, but not huge by any means. Just a little bit of extra weight on her to what I'm used to, but she carried it well, and it gave her some decent breasts too.She told me she was 19, and she looked it too. She had a REALLY cute face. I mean, REALLY smiley and super cute.I disrobed and so did she, and she led me into the shower, where she washed me down quite functionally (not a good sign I thought) but she seemed really freindly and we chatted quite comfortably. She gave me the mouthwash to use (a first for me) but that was fine. Didn't taste that bad.We chatted the whole time in Japanese (as I mentioned, mine is not great, but it works).Anyway, after washing me, I went out and dried myself and sat on the bed. She finished herself in the shower, and came and lay down next to me.Started with DFK. She had REALLY soft lips, and was quite into it by the sound, little noises and all. Or she was a good actress. Either way it was nice. Very GFE. I touched her breasts a bit and brushed my hand all over her back and tummy, which she seemed to enjoy. Then she slowly moved down to the BBBJ. Seemed very into it, lots of energy and really putting in the effort. CIM to finish and took it like a champion. When she was sure I had finished twitching, she moved off to spit it out, giggling a little bit.There was still about 15 minutes left, so we chatted about my work and my country, she mentioned she was going to University at the moment. And that was that. Smiling, she waved to me as I left.Really overall a great experience. Quite GFE, and very very freindly and smiley and soft.Face. 9. 5/10. Really really kawaii. Much cuter than I expected.Body. 8/10. A little bit heavier than I'm used to, but nice breasts and really soft skin.Attitude. 11/10. Super freindly, and really nice, always smiling, chatting and giggling.BBBJCIM. 8/10. I've had better, but it was still good. And along with the attitude, felt more like a GFE BJ, than a provider BJ, so that was more than fine!Overall 9. 5/10. Great experience, much better than I expected. Went in with just an itch to scratch, and left smiling after a nice GFE.Return to UCLA?. Definately.Repeat with Sae?. Most definately.EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.
Good service from one, 20. 000 yen FS, girl 7, BBJ 7, FS 7Offer massage but you can get FS.Appreciate that. Any chance you can tell me what day you saw the ad so I can narrow it down ? Sorry not a member so can't receive pms.
Try Asian Mystique http://www.asianmystique.com/top.html It's a bit more expensive, and whether or not they meet your definition of "good looking" is a matter of personal preference, but you can't beat the service if you don't speak a single word of Japanese.Manami (aka Tokyo Melty Kiss) is also a good choice. She's good looking and does incall, and many have commented on her skills. http://www.tokyomeltykiss.com/Finally, Club Boo is an option, although the general consensus is that it is the least gaijin friendly and has the most question marks, but some folks swear by it. http://www.clubboo.jp/frames/home.htm The biggest point in its favor is that some claim that the Club Boo girls are more attractive, but the biggest negative is that FS is not guaranteed. Beyond that, RTFF.Just one quibble: Club Boo is most definitely gaijin-friendly. But it operates like a Japanese service, in that FS is definitely not included in the official package from the shop. I suppose that can lead to misunderstandings with fresh gaijin.
Just one quibble: Club Boo is most definitely gaijin-friendly. But it operates like a Japanese service, in that FS is definitely not included in the official package from the shop. I suppose that can lead to misunderstandings with fresh gaijin.I am not excited about the idea of maybe having to pay an extra 10,000 for FS. Consider Club Boo is pricier than normal DH, I would give them a pass. However for the non-Japanese speaker it is one of the few options.
Shoganai Ne
01-29-10, 12:39
ok, thanks to some advice of the more experienced users of this website, i armed myself with as much information as i could hold on my iphone and headed out to enjoy tokyo's finest. or, at least i was hoping so.started off by going to the ever so popular jan jan in sugamo. i have been to sugamo a few times before, never to get a bj, but at least i was somewhat familiar with where the action spots were. ironically enough, i started off by taking the wrong exit from sugamo and went to the opposide side of the station, where most of the izakayas and pachiko parlors were. strolled through the streets around there looking at a bunch of pink salons, but couldn't find jan jan. i ended up at one at the end of a street called 'nice lady. ' the guy waved me in, was really nice about it, and i walked downstairs and was relieved of a quick 3000yen. without saying much, which was my plan, i tried to act as cool as possible and just go with the flow. i was lead into a half closed off couch, took a seat, and then was waited on by a waiter (?) who pointed at a drink menu posted. paid 1000yen for a beer which i didn't even drink.so then a girl came, older, chubbier, probably mid 30's at best, not ugly but nothing special. i was a little dissapointed but i at least could have seen it coming. she washed me down, put on a condom, and then did her thing. it was a very uneventful 10-15 minutes where i struggled to even keep it up. some announcements were made and then she just cleaned me up and headed out. no, i didn't get the satisfaction of cummin and honestly, i don't think she cared much. before she left, she said something about how the next girl would be really cute so i should just be patient. at least thats what i figured she said. low and behold, yea, the next girl was quite beautiful. very cute, sexy sexy body, very gfe, lots of smiling and giggling. we chatted for a bit, did some dfk and she then did her business on my business as well. it was like night and day. she was very adept and i was in the mood to reciprocate as well. i was surprised that she became wet, considering how many guys touched her manko everyday, but yeah, she got into it and so did i. a short 15 minutes later and i finished and i think she did too, although i can't really tell. anyways, cleaned up again and walked out with her in hand. she was nice and smiled the whole time.4000 yen for 2 cbj, one from a cute, younger 20's blonde japanese girl who was sexy. not a bad start for my first experience.so i was pretty satisfied after this blond bombshell and should've just went home but i figured i would at least try to locate jan jan. finally ended up on the other side of the station and soon easily enough, found the bj alley with jan jan written in huge katakana letters on the sign. i went straight there and smiled at the guy in front. he was very polite and i think thought i was a regular. i smoothly walked in and paid the 3000yen to an old guy and was led into a booth near the front. there was a guy in front of me, who seemed to have a great time, based on the moans i heard from his girl. the place was pretty empty, maybe 2-3 other guys in there. i peeked a bit and found all the girls working to be skinny, long blonde hair girls. all seemed young and quite sexy.this got me quite nerve racked as thoughts of 'yes, i will get a cute girl since all the girls here are cute', vs 'fricken a, all the cute girls are taken and i'm going to be left with an ugly broad. ' kept bugging me. but whatever i guess, its a 3000yen test trial. so then i get a pretty tall girl, thin and actually very attractive looking to come my way. i'd give her an 8 at first sight. i think her name was yuu. she sat down, very cheery and we chatted for a bit. maybe after 2-3 minutes, she was getting ready to do her thing but i trapped her into talking to me more. yes, i did say trap. since i was pretty empty from my previous visit, i was in no hurry to rush things. i figured i'd go out of the norm and bit and engage her in some broken japanese conversation. asked her what her hobbies were, where she was from, etc. etc. etc., and she seemed to soak it up all happily. i guess these girls don't get many guys that care for them more than their oral abilities. so yeah, i let her talk a bit which i think she really enjoyed. after about 10 minutes or so, she looked like she wanted to give my johnson some good lovin not because she had to, but because she wanted to. which was a wonderful thing. she was really into it and i ended up 69'ing her right there. not sure if this is standard procedure for a pink salon but hell, she was pretty cute and wet so why not. i finished in her mouth and surprisingly, she didn't spit it out! pretty shocked to see her take it down like a trooper.we kissed a bit more and i left a very satisfied man.3000yen for a cute and fun girl who gave bbbj and cim plus swallow. not bad, not bad at all.so fast forward to last week, i decided to try my luck to find a place with young girls in school girl uniforms, which was my goal initially from day 1. went to a place in otsuka called 'smiles. ' it was reviewed once a few months ago but not really adequately so i didn't really know what to expect. my japanese isn't nearly enough to get into this place so i ended up just doing the ol point and go. they had all the girls pictures up so i choose a girl i thought was pretty cute. ended up choosing seira. http://smiles-o.com/seira.html# her pic here actually looks like her. i'd say 95%. so quite satisfied with that. there were tons of guys being serviced too. at least 15, with about 5 more in the lobby waiting their turn. i walked by a bunch of them on my way to my couch and all the girls were in school girl skirts and just doing their thing. a really weird scene to see 10 guys just getting their knob shined all in the same room. there was basically no privacy at all. which i guess was normal. seira came, we chatted, she was very cute, said she was from chiba and that she worked everyday, sun up to sun down. wow. i was like, wow. we did some dfk and she gave me a bbbj. technique wasnt as good as the one i got in jan jan but hell, she was really cute. i mean, look at the picture fellas. i got to touch her and finger her as well, she didn't mind it as she got pretty wet too. 30 minutes later, cim and she spitted it out into the towels. cleaned me out and we cuddled for a bit. she was very gfe. it looks like a lot of the guys there are regulars as i heard a lot of personal chit chat from the other guys. hey, they all seemed like they had a great time so i can't really blame them for blowing their hard earned otaku dollars getting serviced by cute young japanese school girls.5000yen since i choose the girl and i not a single regret at all. will definitely repeat. probably will try the 5 girls for 7000yen next time. they rotate every 10 minutes i think. but man, can't really beat that right? i mean, 5 different girls. about 1200 a chick. thats a steal right there.so there you have it. 3 pink salons all with pretty unique services. id probably stick with smiles in otsuka but jan jan didn't disappoint either.editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.
My Japanese isn't nearly enough to get into this place so I ended up just doing the ol point and go...Does this mean that you are Asian and were pretending to be Japanese by not talking much?
Lost For Words
01-31-10, 06:29
I've been to Grimpeur twice with nearly identical experiences as have been posted before, so I don't really have much to add. They gave me 2 choices and the girl I chose was new and looked exactly like the picture that was shown to me. The conversation and service were both good enough and FS was on the menu so I couldn't complain. If you're looking for something with a cute, young Japanese girl that is foreigner friendly, you surely can't go wrong here.But I decided to see what else was out there, and I ended up at a place very close to Grimpeur (same street) called Shanai-Renai (http://www.ol-health.net/), which is the same sort of deal but the girls dress up as Office Ladies. It's on B1 and the reception room is actually for both Shanai-Renai and Gakuen (http://www.shibuya-fuzoku.jp/). There was actually another Japanese customer there waiting, but it didn't seem to affect my chances of getting service. After asking if I spoke Japanese they pulled out a few cards of girls and since I didn't have much time I just chose the one who was available the soonest. They did give me an option of maybe 5 girls though, so a bit more than Grimpeur. Off to the hotel I went and after checking in, I called them to tell them where I was. 10 minutes later the girl arrived but looked a bit different than the picture in a disappointing way. She said she's been working there for 6 months, so I'm guessing they took the picture when she first started and then doctored it up a bit. The conversation was alright, though, and the service was good. She was aware of the options that I had chosen and asked how I wanted things to go. I didn't ask about FS, but I have a feeling if I had wanted it, it would have been available. The girl was a bit more relaxed with the time than the girl at Grimpeur had been, but overall the experience was very similiar to Grimpeur.On a separate occasion, I also went to Ikebukuro hoping to go to Cosplay Sunshine after seeing their website (http://cos-sun.com/). I went to the place indicated on the map and found it pretty easily. But as soon as I went in, I was turned away. I tried talking to the guy in Japanese a bit and said this wasn't my first time, but no go. To get there, though, go up to 3F and there are two unmarked doors. It's the one on the right. At first I went in the door on the left first but it was the wrong door. Completely by chance yesterday, though, I happened upon the site of the door on the left (http://www.se-den.com). They said on their website that they are door number #301 and they didn't seem to mind that I was a foreigner when I walked in there by mistake, though, so maybe you would have better chances there. After striking out at Cosplay Sunshine, however, I decided to go to Ikebukuro Lip (http://ikebukuro-lip.com/) to try my chances there. It's pretty easy to find and after they asked me if I spoke Japanese, they didn't seem to have an issue with my being there. In fact, they brought out all of the photos of the girls working at the time that I went -- maybe 8 or 10 -- and the only thing he said was that of course he would have to call the girl I chose to check to make sure she's okay with a foreigner. But I was happy to at least have my choice from all the available girls and it turned out the girl I chose - Karen - was okay with foreigners. She showed up at the hotel a few minutes after I called the store to confirm my room number, and she looked pretty much like the picture actually. She was, however, the least GFE and seemed pretty down to business about everything. The service was just alright and you could tell she was trying to push things along a bit at times. She was nice enough and did most of the things we discussed, but FS was definitely not on the table. She was probably the only one I wouldn't go back to again. The place -- Ikebukuro Lip -- seemed alright though and I might try them again if I'm in Ikeburko again.All in all, though, my experiences have been pretty positive even when going off of the tried and true path of Grimpeur. All of these experiences have been on weekdays during the day and they were all done entirely in Japanese, but I was happy to find out that there are at least some options out there other than Grimpeur.EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.
OldAsiaHand
01-31-10, 06:42
I am not excited about the idea of maybe having to pay an extra 10,000 for FS. Consider Club Boo is pricier than normal DH, I would give them a pass. However for the non-Japanese speaker it is one of the few options.I've tried Club Boo five times. 3 times they charged me an extra 10k for the FS, 1 time it was included in the basic fee and 1 time I was refused at any price for more than BBBJ.YMMV.OAH
Lost For Words
01-31-10, 10:23
I think so because I went there today (to Smiles O) and they definitely weren't foreigner-friendly, no matter how much I talked to them in Japanese.
Does this mean that you are Asian and were pretending to be Japanese by not talking much?
i visit smiles myself once in a while. i'm surprised you are able to get in, as there is a sign that distinctively says, "no foreigners, " in japanese. if people are able to get in, better so. there are other pink salons in the area, but this one seems to have the highest quality girls, and the best service. use the link below for a discount.http://smiles-o.com/coupon.html
ok, thanks to some advice of the more experienced users of this website, i armed myself with as much information as i could hold on my iphone and headed out to enjoy tokyo's finest. or, at least i was hoping so.started off by going to the ever so popular jan jan in sugamo. i have been to sugamo a few times before, never to get a bj, but at least i was somewhat familiar with where the action spots were. ironically enough, i started off by taking the wrong exit from sugamo and went to the opposide side of the station, where most of the izakayas and pachiko parlors were. strolled through the streets around there looking at a bunch of pink salons, but couldn't find jan jan. i ended up at one at the end of a street called 'nice lady. ' the guy waved me in, was really nice about it, and i walked downstairs and was relieved of a quick 3000yen. without saying much, which was my plan, i tried to act as cool as possible and just go with the flow. i was lead into a half closed off couch, took a seat, and then was waited on by a waiter (?) who pointed at a drink menu posted. paid 1000yen for a beer which i didn't even drink.so then a girl came, older, chubbier, probably mid 30's at best, not ugly but nothing special. i was a little dissapointed but i at least could have seen it coming. she washed me down, put on a condom, and then did her thing. it was a very uneventful 10-15 minutes where i struggled to even keep it up. some announcements were made and then she just cleaned me up and headed out. no, i didn't get the satisfaction of cummin and honestly, i don't think she cared much. before she left, she said something about how the next girl would be really cute so i should just be patient. at least thats what i figured she said. low and behold, yea, the next girl was quite beautiful. very cute, sexy sexy body, very gfe, lots of smiling and giggling. we chatted for a bit, did some dfk and she then did her business on my business as well. it was like night and day. she was very adept and i was in the mood to reciprocate as well. i was surprised that she became wet, considering how many guys touched her manko everyday, but yeah, she got into it and so did i. a short 15 minutes later and i finished and i think she did too, although i can't really tell. anyways, cleaned up again and walked out with her in hand. she was nice and smiled the whole time.4000 yen for 2 cbj, one from a cute, younger 20's blonde japanese girl who was sexy. not a bad start for my first experience.so i was pretty satisfied after this blond bombshell and should've just went home but i figured i would at least try to locate jan jan. finally ended up on the other side of the station and soon easily enough, found the bj alley with jan jan written in huge katakana letters on the sign. i went straight there and smiled at the guy in front. he was very polite and i think thought i was a regular. i smoothly walked in and paid the 3000yen to an old guy and was led into a booth near the front. there was a guy in front of me, who seemed to have a great time, based on the moans i heard from his girl. the place was pretty empty, maybe 2-3 other guys in there. i peeked a bit and found all the girls working to be skinny, long blonde hair girls. all seemed young and quite sexy.this got me quite nerve racked as thoughts of 'yes, i will get a cute girl since all the girls here are cute', vs 'fricken a, all the cute girls are taken and i'm going to be left with an ugly broad. ' kept bugging me. but whatever i guess, its a 3000yen test trial. so then i get a pretty tall girl, thin and actually very attractive looking to come my way. i'd give her an 8 at first sight. i think her name was yuu. she sat down, very cheery and we chatted for a bit. maybe after 2-3 minutes, she was getting ready to do her thing but i trapped her into talking to me more. yes, i did say trap. since i was pretty empty from my previous visit, i was in no hurry to rush things. i figured i'd go out of the norm and bit and engage her in some broken japanese conversation. asked her what her hobbies were, where she was from, etc. etc. etc., and she seemed to soak it up all happily. i guess these girls don't get many guys that care for them more than their oral abilities. so yeah, i let her talk a bit which i think she really enjoyed. after about 10 minutes or so, she looked like she wanted to give my johnson some good lovin not because she had to, but because she wanted to. which was a wonderful thing. she was really into it and i ended up 69'ing her right there. not sure if this is standard procedure for a pink salon but hell, she was pretty cute and wet so why not. i finished in her mouth and surprisingly, she didn't spit it out! pretty shocked to see her take it down like a trooper.we kissed a bit more and i left a very satisfied man.3000yen for a cute and fun girl who gave bbbj and cim plus swallow. not bad, not bad at all.so fast forward to last week, i decided to try my luck to find a place with young girls in school girl uniforms, which was my goal initially from day 1. went to a place in otsuka called 'smiles. ' it was reviewed once a few months ago but not really adequately so i didn't really know what to expect. my japanese isn't nearly enough to get into this place so i ended up just doing the ol point and go. they had all the girls pictures up so i choose a girl i thought was pretty cute. ended up choosing seira. http://smiles-o.com/seira.html# her pic here actually looks like her. i'd say 95%. so quite satisfied with that. there were tons of guys being serviced too. at least 15, with about 5 more in the lobby waiting their turn. i walked by a bunch of them on my way to my couch and all the girls were in school girl skirts and just doing their thing. a really weird scene to see 10 guys just getting their knob shined all in the same room. there was basically no privacy at all. which i guess was normal. seira came, we chatted, she was very cute, said she was from chiba and that she worked everyday, sun up to sun down. wow. i was like, wow. we did some dfk and she gave me a bbbj. technique wasnt as good as the one i got in jan jan but hell, she was really cute. i mean, look at the picture fellas. i got to touch her and finger her as well, she didn't mind it as she got pretty wet too. 30 minutes later, cim and she spitted it out into the towels. cleaned me out and we cuddled for a bit. she was very gfe. it looks like a lot of the guys there are regulars as i heard a lot of personal chit chat from the other guys. hey, they all seemed like they had a great time so i can't really blame them for blowing their hard earned otaku dollars getting serviced by cute young japanese school girls.5000yen since i choose the girl and i not a single regret at all. will definitely repeat. probably will try the 5 girls for 7000yen next time. they rotate every 10 minutes i think. but man, can't really beat that right? i mean, 5 different girls. about 1200 a chick. thats a steal right there.so there you have it. 3 pink salons all with pretty unique services. id probably stick with smiles in otsuka but jan jan didn't disappoint either.editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.
Evan Stoner
01-31-10, 15:16
I've also used Boo 5 times. I was 5/5 for FS: Akubi twice, Asahi (gone) once, Yayoi once, Erina (gone?) once. Only Yayoi charged extra for the FS (5k) and if I recall Erina said afterwards that 10k or so extra was normal (although I didn't pay it because she had not mentioned it beforehand).Once I heard that Akubi had started charging for FS I dropped her like a hot potato. And since Boo really doesn't get new girls in, I've stopped using them altogether.It's too bad, as I think they had a good franchise and brand name at one point. They never got serious about developing the business though.ES
Thought I'd try out this alternative provider to the frequently commented AM. User friendly webpage at http://www.The10000yen.com/roppongi/frn/topmenu.html. They even have a possibilty to book via internet. Used this and had a call back within minutes. The chosen girl was not available but the Papa san recommended another girl (conversation with him was in Japanese, though I think he also speaks English). Arranged for Sayori (first on the "nighttime girls" list) who arrived within 30-40 mins. Ater settling the payment and getting a bit comfortable with each other proceeded for the shower. Pretty sop, though her boobs seemed easily stimulated and turned on her sound machine. After the shower proceeded to the bed with ample finger action (boy did she get wet) and some tongue action (negative point that not shaven DATY) but excellent stereo surround sound. Cap and off we went.. Phone rings. Time over. Main negative was that phone went off after 30 mins, whereas had booked for 50 mins.. But overall good experience, JPY 24 k all in for 50 mins. No hassle booking and girl (true J girl) was actually rather cute (give her a 7/10). But she only speaks Japanese. This might be a downside for Bro's not conversant in Japanese.
Long time lurker, first time poster.Went with the Hono-bono option, picked Tapioka.As long as you speak a little Japanese, you should not have a problem with Hono-bono.No issues with the reservation, girl showed up in less than an hour. Pic on the site is blurred and was heavily made up. The girl that showed up did not have any makeup, but pretty sure it was the same girl!Great GFE, all cuddly and kissing. She took a shower, we went to bed. Started off with DFK, then slowly moved south starting from breasts. Pretty sensitive, was squirming all the time.Moved on to 69, then the condom was on and started first with missionary, then a few other positions.Talking until the time was up, really a friendly girl. This is my second time using Honobono, and never have I been disappointed. Fully recommend to everyone!Cost: 20, 000 (80 minutes)Travel: 2, 000Looks: 7Experience: 9+Would I repeat: Yes! Tapioka is nice, would like to try others next time.
Shoganai Ne
02-01-10, 11:25
Actually, no, I am not Asian looking. White, blonde hair lad from the US Southwest. I guess the trick for me is to build up a shiat load of confidence when I walk there. You have to just go and give them the 'I'm ashamed to be here but whatever, I just want to get my load off' look, you know, very nonchalant about it all. Somehow it works. I don't act like I feel I will be turned away for a second. Just walk in like you own the place and you're a true regular.Went back to Smiles yesterday afternoon and get the 5 girl special. Only 1 of them was a bit large but the other 4 were young and cute. Can't complain one bit.
I think so because I went there today (to Smiles O) and they definitely weren't foreigner-friendly, no matter how much I talked to them in Japanese.
I've been to Grimpeur twice with nearly identical experiences as have been posted before, so I don't really have much to add. They gave me 2 choices and the girl I chose was new and looked exactly like the picture that was shown to me. The conversation and service were both good enough and FS was on the menu so I couldn't complain. If you're looking for something with a cute, young Japanese girl that is foreigner friendly, you surely can't go wrong here.Lost 4 Words., appreciated the post but it may be a bit misleading. There is no menu that lists FS at Grimpeur. It is up to the girl and you may have just got lucky 2 times, or charmed her. I was there last week, picked 名前メイ Mei (what she told me), 22, C cup, works from 1300. There was no way she was doing FS. So it is really up to the girl and I would say there is a 30% chance you will be disappointed if you go in expecting it. Also might add that you need to speak Japanese for this place or go in with someone who does.
Ralph Kramden
02-01-10, 13:48
Kish1970The site shows Tapioka has a rather buxomy 98CM bustline. Is that accurate?
thought i'd try out this alternative provider to the frequently commented am. user friendly webpage at http://www.the10000yen.com/roppongi/frn/topmenu.html. .... but overall good experience, jpy 24 k all in for 50 mins. i've seen that site but what bothers me is the difference in prices:japanese site:40分10,000円、50分12,000円、60分14,000円以後10分2,000円指名料2,000円交通費、渋谷区、港区1,000円、渋谷区、港区以外2,000円～english site:40min.: 16,000yen50min.: 20,000yen60min.: 24.000yenextension fee: 4,000yen (every 10min.)naming fee: 4,000yentravel expenses: subjected by areaminato-ku: 2,000yenother areas: from 4,000yen----of course they'll take us when so few will. that's up to the individual of course, but pointing it out.
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