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Fredo,Great post! Good to hear someone else is out there with similar experiences. Concerning the BJCIM at the parties I attended, I?ve never heard or seen any rule against it. I prefer to finish with FS, however, so I?ve never really tried. Also, please check your private messages! Fishmonger,I feel a little guilty. I think you asked a question back a few months ago about one of my original posts about the parties and I never got around to answering it?my apologies! It is a great deal and can be pretty wild. Unfortunately, the girls are pros in reality, not amateurs. The home pages say the girls pay nothing, which is, of course, true. What they don?t say is that the girls are paid a very high ?transportation allowance??20K in one newspaper article on the subject--which makes it worth their while to come in. You definitely should try it at least once!PM me if you want to the club I attended.Meguro Joe,You make a good suggestion and the thought crossed my mind as well. The next time I see the mamasan I?ll suggest it and see how she warms to it. (She wasn?t at the party the other day, unfortunately.)Hot Bot,Sounds like you?re the first alien on the bus! Great job breaking the store?s foreigner cherry. With all those other doors being slammed in your face, this one had to feel good. We need more reports like this! To those who PMed me,Thanks for contacting me. There were more messages that I expected, so please give me a little time to get back to you.Cheers
OK, it's been long enough so I'll relate a story regarding a wedding I attended at the New Sanno Hotel in Hiroo. I don't want to give away the couple or my friend who gets me in there occasionally on the weekend for brunch.A friend of mine is retired US military residing in Japan for the last 15+ years. One of his numerous watering holes is the New Sanno Hotel. The place is a little amazing in Japan because virtually everything there is imported, including plumbing fixtures in the rooms and even in the public restrooms. Additionally, I think the general store upstairs only takes dollars!Anyway, I was invited to a wedding there for my friend's very close friend who is active US military. Standard wedding, quite nice, great food and booze, the whole nine yards.The bar there is usually occupied on the weekends with a few painted ladies. Nothing that you'd really want to dip your wick with but their makeup and dress is something to behold. I have no idea how they get in because the security is pretty tight there and you have to be credentialed or know somebody.To make a long story short, I managed to catch the garter and my friend "treated" me to an hour with one of his "friends" who is usually in tow with him. He's a rather studly guy from the US mainland and he keeps himself in pretty good shape and it seems like many of his Japanese ex-girlfriends still hang out with him even though they are no longer living together or otherwise connected. He had a room rented that day and let us use it and made it clear that we were to clean it up and make it presentable because other people would be using it after us. This lady was about 30-33, nice body, and pretty decent technique and gives a good GFE. Although I am curious as hell about my friend's arrangement, it's not my place to ask too many questions so I just keep my mouth shut and attend his get-togethers every 2-3 months. Most of the time we just have brunch and then head to the small bar for beers. That was my one and only time to use the room facilities there but I did connect up with two of his "friends" via keitai later on. They all speak and write English so that makes it quite easy. Most of his friends are in their 30's and even early 40's but they are all well-groomed and charming in their own way and I would certainly never turn down any of them for lack of looks or charm. While not really nampa, but I admire his setup and he never seems to be without the ladies.Anyone else been to the New Sanno and seen or heard of anything like this?
As most of those parties are not gaijin-friendly... or at least they are not designed for foreigners, one should organize our own parties... Let's find 5 girls, we could be 5 to 8-9 guys and have fun, no ?
Quick update for Shibuya Sex Tower:I visited the 2F men's esute and got another discount ticket from the old tout outside. Before 12.00pm so it was only12k for 60min! Amazing, they should recognise me by now, but I always get the 3k discount ticket and they are happy to receive it! Anyways, I tried a new girl , Reika (???????j, and was amazed at her beauty for this type of place! A real stunner and nearly 175cm tall! Nicely trimmed bush, perfect B cup. The experience was totally GFE, no FS because it was her 'red day', but otherwise, very nice. The place reminds me of the BBS in Shanghai or BJ, but the girls are cuter and the cost is about 4x!! But hey, this is Tokyo!Also - 5F and 6F are still in business contrary to previous reports. They were just on vacation.Shibuya Sex Tower still tops my list of the easy fun in Tokyo. It may get boring soon, but there's definitely something for everyone in price from 6k - 20kJPY Minimal japanese required, gaijiin friendly on every floor. Just don't be a jerk if you get marginal service! Remember, YMMV and generally improves with attitude! Also - bring your own condom if you are larger sized. The japanese standard issues <really> are too small!FYI - New Sanno is a U.S. government hotel and open only to armed services employees or directly accompanied friends. If you are looking for casual pickups in the area, then I suggest going to Motown or Heartland in Roppongi. Or visiting Ebisu near the club/restaraunt section which also has a couple nice love hotels conveniently near.S
Soujourn,I don't think there are any casual pickups near the New Sanno. It's in a very high end neighborhood and not really the place for casual mongering. I was mainly interested to know if any military or retired military or friends of those have any stories to tell about the place. It's not for public consumption, I realize that, but it's an interesting place if you can get in, even just to see a little of the US buried in the middle of Tokyo. I was mainly interested in how the painted ladies get into the place.Which place is the Shibuya Sex Tower? Do you have an address or phone number of any of the places in it?
Woody For Asians
02-11-04, 11:57
Homer69,I've been to the New Sanno many times. I've taken Japanese there and they loved it. One young lady exclaimed, "It's like being in the United States!" (which I guess was a "good" thing for her because she decided to seduce me). It's a quick way to win points with the opposite sex, and no place I've found in Tokyo can beat their room rates (even the love hotels). On the down side, I've never seen any obvious "working girls" there and I can't imagine how they could enter unless they held U.S. military or U.S. embassy I.D. cards or came as guests of card holders. (Note that military I.D. card holders include widows of U.S. military personnel, which might account for the women you saw.) These days, everyone gets "carded" and security is fairly high, as it has to be. It's run as a military facility by a Navy supply corps captain who takes his responsibilities seriously. The grounds are fenced and the entrances are manned. There are video cameras everywhere (except in the rooms), in the lobby areas, parking garage, passageways, etc. It has become a popular spot for U.S. military families in Japan and the management would not sanction obvious prostitution, if only to keep the families happy and protect their reputation as a premier military hotel.
Ambassador
02-12-04, 01:03
Woody4asians,Thanks for the info re: the New Sanno. I have a reserve ID (inactive reserve, meaning I don't have to do any annual reporting and I would only be called up if Congress declared war); would that be enough to get in? It has been good enough in the past to get onto some bases in Japan and do shopping (legal, mind you), though I haven't tried lately.I haven't actually seen the New Sanno, but I know more or less where it is and was in the neighborhood once, at a Cafe de Crie or something. Were lots of obviously military folks around there, lots with family as you said. Reading the posts here has me thinking I should stop by to get a taste of home and maybe see if there are any relative bargains in the shop. The bar sounds fun, too. As for staying the night, is there a mongen, or can people come back to their room at any hour of the night from parts nearby? Thanks for any info, much appreciated.
Woody,Thanks for the info on the New Sanno. It really is like being in the US, down to the currency they take there. The rooms are very reasonable and tough to get reservations for. My friend is a retired seargent, I think, and he gets a pretty good rate on the room.Good point about widows of US military personnel. That probably explains what I saw. These were older women with slinky, low-cut, colorful outfits with short hemlines and looked to be hoping for some sort of companionship. You must know the small bar layout there so you know it's tough to miss two "brightly dressed" women sitting at the bar, alone or in pairs.The first time I went there was about 15 years ago towards the end of the bubble and the security was pretty tight back then, too. I've probably been there 3-4 times in the past two years and maybe I'm just using selective recognition or something. Anyway, I made a score there for catching the garter so it has a special place in my heart.Have you ever been in the store upstairs? There's real porn magazines up there without the pubic hair scratched off or pixelated, right in the middle of Tokyo. That store only takes dollars if I remember correctly. I bought a copy of "Lips" magazine for a Japanese friend of mine who lived in the US for three years and always liked that magazine.
Paradise Massage Review:Can someone who reads Japanese check out the following website reviews on the Paradise Massage in Nippori and summarize the reviews:http://hamanasu.sakura.ne.jp/~esthe/jyoho/nippori.htmlI put it through some translation software but something is getting lost in the translation and see if it's consistent with what is posted here?
Hi there,1) Shibuya Sex Tower is located on the same street as C-21, 7min walk from Hachiko exit of Shibuya. Just aim to the right of Starbucks. You know you are on the right street if you see an HMV record store on the right. Conitnue past the McDonalds (on the left) Almost to the end of the street on the right side - you may see a 'Bar Sky' sign on the street - that club is in the basement of the Sex Tower. Next to sex tower is a hip hop clothing store. There's always touts out from around 11am. 2nd floor - leftside is men's esute and rightside is pink salon 5th floor is chinese esute 6th floor is out of business sadly, but will probably replace soonNote: due to crackdown's in the area for visa violations, drug dealings, fighting, etc, the police have mounted cameras on all the intersections. You can feel safe while mongering now.2) While New Sanno might be fun to visit for the novelty of 'little america', most Japanese find it basically imperialistic and degrading. I don't care one or the other - just from the standpoint of conversation with Japanese (I work very near there and have been to the bar quite a few times). I'd say you will have better luck to visit Heartland in Roppongi Hills - which is only 10min cab away. Not many people find themselves in the Hiroo-Minato ku area by choice unless they have some business with the nearby embassies. The bar on the corner of Hiroo Plaza used to be quite a place for freebie pickups AND semi-pros. It's changed now and quite dull. If you are really jonezing for 'americana' then New Sanno might feel ok - but I wouldn't count on as much action as you would get at Heartland or Motown. Just my 2yen.
Crazy Jim Wood
02-14-04, 07:14
Homer,Here's your translation. Note, reports are old (Feb 2002, Jan 2001). There were even older ones but I don't think your historical interests extedn that far back.
Paradise (used to be called "Very Good")Feb 2002 reportTel 03-3805-1502Fee: 8000-13000 (9000 for 60 min, discount available before 5 pm)Korean massage parlor (KMP). South exit, Nippori StationA course: 60 min 9,000 yenB course: A course + no braC course: completely nudeFinish: Yes.Massage: 5 starsGirl: two starsRoom comfort: four stars.SP service: three starsMy second visit to this KMP.The male greeter told me the base fee was 8,000 until 5 pm.After receiving a warm hand towel and a Yakult beverage, I waited five minutes and the girl arrived. I was shocked which was partly my fault for not specifying my wishes, but she was in her early 30s and trying had to fit into the skimpy clothes. The shower room was spacious with an akazuri [Korean exfoliation treatment] table. After a brief akazuri treatment we returned to the room.There she explained the course and fees for extras, with no extras available for A course and 3,000 extra for B and 5,000 extra for C.I selected C since it was my first time I wanted to see what it was. Seeing as how the clock had already started I lost time getting my wallet, paying, etc, wish they had explained it before. As for the massage she asked about a whole body pack but since I didn't know what it was I refused. After thigh, shin, foot massage she proceeded to the special service and stripped off all her clothes, but her body showed her age and she didn't allow touching of breast or pussy so the hand job wasn't getting me off. She said we would run out of time for the back massage so I closed my eyes and forced myself to come. She went out to get a towe for my back came back got on me for the back massage and it was time. She said it's already 10 minutes over time and I had to get dressed and leave without a shower. Trying to fit all that service into 60 minutes is obviously trying to make the customer extend the time, and while the girls were friendly to the customer, they were old and the technique was poor. It was an unsatisfying experience. Jan 2001 report.Korean massage parlor (KMP). South exit, Nippori Station9000 yen, 10,000 with nomination.Finish: Yes.Massage: 5 starsGirl: 4 starsRoom comfort: four stars.SP service: three starsTowel use frequency: 5 starsMy first report.During the "Very Good" days there was a girl there I really liked so I went 2 or 3 times. On 24 Jan I had a meeting at the Hotel Longwood so I stopped by on my way home. It wasn??t until I was up the stairs that I noticed the name of the shop had changed. Decor and location of rooms had also changed. I asked for my favorite girl but of course she was gone. I entered without nomination and waited on the sofa. The greeter brought me a towel to wipe hands and face and after draining a Yakult I was summoned to the room. She was petite and cute. She said she was studying Japanese and her Japanese was very good. Massage was good, she politely washed my feet and covered my face with a hot towel rubbed neck, shoulders, head and removed the towel over my face and gave me the melon pack then after asking if lotion was ok she rubbed both legs and arms with lotion to work out kinks. She then lightly massaged face after removing the towel. Then she lowered lights and provided special service. She laid down next to me without removing her clothes, but I was free to touch as I liked. She had really good technique, now soft, now hard.After special service concluded she had me roll over and she gave me a good massage walking on my back. Then she rubbed my shoulders and gave me oolong tea and sent me on my way. My impression from a massage enthusiast point of view was that it was a Korean massage with special service thrown in.
Hotel New Sanno is a shit heap sex wise. I have a pass but seldom use it. Too much security. Same goes with the American bases. I odn't want to hand in my ID to some MP fuckhead. If you want high class pussy, check out the Tokyo American Club during the day. John T Skinless is a member. You gotta be high class or be able to pass yourself off as a poet or something but the executive wives are there all day wetting their panties for a bit of action. Key thing is to latch on to their boredom. That is why you need to be able to offer them something hubby cannot give them.
CJW:Thanks for the translation. I can see it's changed a little which is what I suspected. I think now they just have an A and C course + optional sumata. Personally, I felt the massage there was OK, especially when she walks on my back because I'm naturally a little muscle-bound in the upper body area with pretty wide shoulders and chest (genetics, not from working out anymore) and a slight beer belly which is a recipe for lower back aches now so I do enjoy the massages almost as much as the happy endings.Anyway, it's kind of interesting to read an old report. The little towel and Yakult hasn't changed. Personally, with me age doesn't matter as much as technique and feeling as long as they are between 18 and maybe late 30's or even early 40's in some cases, it's OK with me as long as they have taken care of themselves.
Skinless: (re: New Sanno and American Club)Thanks for the New Sanno perspective. I kinda agree with you. It's just an interesting place to visit and I did have a score once there so it has a special place in my heart. The security is pretty tight. If you're a resident in the area I can understand why you don't use it. My friend uses it because his girlfriends like the place and it is kind of exclusive from that standpoint.I've been to the American Club quite a few times and that lousy Chinese restuarant across the street but never for the poontang. I've only been there with an old co-worker friend who I used to work with in the US who is now residing in Tokyo with her husband and kids on an expat package with a major Japanese firm. I guess when I'm there with a housewife and 2 children it's tough to go mongering. Her kids have swimming, basketball and other activities there so sometimes I tag along for lunch or to use the library, always on Saturdays because I can't usually break free from work on the weekdays. It's actually a very comfortable place for Americans because almost everybody there speaks native American English. I'm not high class and I certainly am no poet so I guess it's not an appropriate place to use of my limited mongering skills.
Soujourn:The street you're describing sounds like Senta Gai (Center) past 109 and behind BEAM (near where the burusera shop Final Fantasia is) and Quattro. I think I can find it pretty easily based on your description because I've probably been right by it a bunch of times but never paid attention (again, lack of Japanese literacy and an aversion to touts in general). I'll rely on the touts to guide me as any good mongerer would the next time I get out that way.
Crazy Jim Wood
02-14-04, 09:38
Skinless,Great coverage of the Shibuya Sex Tower.Skinless, I have a question for you: if you had your sha-meru equipped cell phone in hand going down the escalator and a J-girl's platform shoe broke and threw her down the escalator where she would surely break her neck, would you drop the cell phone and risk damaging it in order to catch her hand and save her from certain death, or would you snap a shot up her skirt as she flew by you?Please, answer the question and post the picture here.CJW
Woody For Asians
02-14-04, 13:40
Ambassador,Regarding the New Sanno, You can come and go any time. If you get a room they will give you a key card which you can keep in your wallet. There is no "curfew." It is open 24 hours a day but you have to pass through security to get in. If you have a valid I.D., no problem. Check out the Sanno website for more particulars, to make reservations, and their email contact info: www.thenewsanno.com. If your I.D. will let you onto a U.S. base it should be good enough to get you into the New Sanno. They have expanded the shopping privileges of reservists lately, but I don't know if that applies to the inactive reserves. I have an active duty I.D.It is tough to get reservations at the New Sanno, and I'm the sort of person who seldom plans anything days in advance, let alone months (I think they are fully booked for weekends, at least 3 months in the future). If I'm knocking around Tokyo on a Saturday and feeling tired I usually just show up around 5:30 P.M. and tell them I want a space-available room for the night. I often get lucky because there are often no-shows for the reserved rooms. If I don't get lucky, no big deal. I just head for home or find a room somewhere else. One advantage of going for a space-a room is that I can sometimes bargain them down on their already-low rates. Last time I talked the clerk into the Japanese Suite (their most expensive rooom) for $60. Homer69,The store on the second floor is a Navy Exchange. It's a pretty good place to shop and they have a nice selection of items for the small size of the store. They accept yen there, as well as U.S. dollars and credit cards. There used to be a Stars & Stripes bookstore upstairs that had porn (Hustler, et. al.) but they ran all the Stars & Stripes bookstores out of Japan years ago. Probably too liberal on their titles for the new conservative military. The Navy Exchange sells books and magazines, but I'm not sure if they have the hard-core porn any more. They probably have Playboy and a few other titles but they might keep them under the counter and you may have to ask for them.Your American credit card is good there, they have an ATM machine, a bank open during the day, and a cashier for the slot machines. They have a military post office downstairs. They used to show recent films on the weekends (cheapest movies in Tokyo) but I'm not sure if it's still in operation. I didn't see it listed on their service menu.Even if you don't spend the night it's a nice place to drop in and spend a few hours. You can have a drink and relax and pretend you're back in the states.
Nut Scratcher
02-15-04, 11:11
I went by the Shibuya Tower today. COULD NOT GET in. Some old dude waved me and two buddies off with the big X.The "tower" does not seem very big and is a bit grungy looking from the outside.I may try again later when I go by myself. The directions to get there were very accurate.
went into seibu shinjuku today. also went into kyoko. kyoko is very fat and 40s and looks it too so no need for id. defintely not enjo kosei **** but she wears some cute lingerie: if you get off by looking at a jumbo elephant wear frilly lingerie, this rhino is for you. her layers of bellies were worth the entry fee (10k yen for 2 pops, 3 k for the hotel but she bought me a large pepsi - but not nearly as large as herself). there was a skanky lady about at the station, looked drunk, skirt up to her belly button, nice legs for a skank, she wanted 5 k for one shot. i tried to bargain for 2 but no good so i skipped. when i left her, the yakuza chimpira had her under observation (probably did not pay the 2k yen they charge).keiko is small and very rolly poly fat (ordinary japanese size but as broad as she is tall). she wears bright red pink clothes and probably has a heart condition due to her excess meat. how i rate her:camera: zero, she would not let me snap her. i tried to take some funnies of her in the ofuro but no luck.rimming my ass: 3/10. the is obviously not part of her regular routine so she should be forgiven.blow job: enthusiastic; she gives the balls, shaft etc good bbbj exercise. this is where she is best, as well as bath play (blowing you in the oforu before themain course)groaning: good as if she is in pain, which she probably is with all the lard.ass: she is a 3 holer. i oiled up mr skinless and butt fucked her but again she is not a natural at it. bring your own lubricant as she does not supply.pussy: willing once you can find it. this takes time and her pussy mostly serves as a drop off point for your sperm. if you get off on watching a tubby groan under you (don't risk putting her on top) then this is for you.freak value: excellent.friendliness: good and funny english. she knows about me and keiko but she won't tell me where that power pack is. keiko rules and how i missthat sex tiger.where to find her: pottering around seibu shinjuku but she does not do much sentinel duty lately. so hit or miss to find her.recommended? mostly for freak value, to say you fucked a sumo size. and not bad at bbbj. so good to get the seed out as you relax.repeat? not really, that is my second time with her and that is enough.ms skank? again good for freak value. a chain smoker. might be packing some diseases. there were some other skanks around. overall, a quiet day in paradise, and in kyoko.
Starfe,I have stayed at the ANA hotel which was alright and it is at the airport but coming in to Tokyo is an hour plus trip and a 6K round trip by bus or train. Is it worth the hassle of getting back to Narita and dealing with the traffic? Hakozaki is near Ueno and Yoshiwara so it might be an interesting way to spend the night but.....
Che De Barna
02-16-04, 08:05
Hey guys!This is my first post on this forum, and I'm in a hurry right now, so I'll leave self-introductions and reports for later and go straight to the point, if someone can help me:I read Soujourn's post about his favorite links for mongering in Tokyo, so I checked it and decided to go with my young friend (name) for a ride to a place called WOW WOW.The point is that I'm not sure if we can get sex there (looks too good to be true!) or if on the other hand it's just a massage or bj place, which would be abusive for the prices listed on the website (but hey, this is Tokyo and you never know).So if anyone can check the website (I can read japanese, but I still cant manange with their "subtle language" and specialized vocabulary, so), or if anyone knows the place, I'd be really glad to know for sure if , basically, we can get laied by those beauties! :-)There goes the URL: http://www.wowow-club.net/index2.htmlThanks in advance, I promise some good reviews about the (in)famous Shibuya Tower that may be interesting, as well as about some of the other places in Shibuya ruled by the Chinese, mainly.Read you,CheEDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions to correctly spell the words "you", "are" and "because". To avoid delays in future reports, please refrain from using "u" instead of "you", "r" instead or "are", "em" instead of "them", and "cuz" instead of "because", etc. Thanks!
hi guys, going again to Tokyo in a few weeks.Has anyone been again to Hinomaru ? Reading the last reports, it looks like the place has changed a bit, no more FS ? As well, this time I am looking for a party play, like soap with a J-girl in uniform, maybe 2 J-grils. What are the best places for gaikokujin ?Price does not matter so much, but can't go to a hotel or so, so should be place with rooms, and I want to take at least 90 minutes... thanks
RE: Wow Wow ClubI went there the other week and, since I'm Asian and speak reasonable Japanese, was able to get in. But my accent almost gave me away."I read about your shop on the web. Can I get a discount?""Discount? Sorry, but what nationality are you?""Japanese, of course..."If you are going with a Japanese or you and your friend are Asian and speak decent Japanese, go for it. But even the girl I was with gave me strange looks. Rather than say I wasn't Japanese or Half (which is what I usually say), I said I was from Yamagata and that's why I have this accent.It is a standard Health: BBBJ w/ CIM, French kissing. There is a Mat and Lotion option for an extra 1000 yen or so, but I didn't go for it. First timers get a 10000/50min discount. I got Hina, a little chubby but nice E cup. She was a little ditzy, but had a good attitude and let me try two shots.The girl I really want is Honoka. If you look on the web page, you'll see what I mean. But if you're not a member, it's pretty hard getting a reservation, so that's why I went and got another girl. Hopefully I can try next week and tell you guys about it.You can check out her Gravure and Movie on:www.fuzokudx.com
Hi, Had a interesting evening at the adult party in Okubo today. They had three new girls working so my curiosity got the better of me and had to check them out. Eri, Emi and Satomi were not bad but the regulars Kyoko and Sarumi were looking much better. Mami, who was a regular, was there as well and though she gives great head and is a great lay I tried Eri. Body not bad, small rack, B cup, good bj technique and was a rather tight fit. I would have gone for Kyoko but my buddy chose her first and decided to go the full two times with her and got a so so massage from her as well. Talked to Kyoko later and she said she would service my friends if I vouched for them for 30K, double shots in a Shinjuku area hotel. Couple of others, I got to know, will as well, didn`t ask them for price quotes but nice to know that they trust my taste in the company I keep. All the guys I have had the pleasure of hosting at the parties have been gentlemen with the girls and were as friendly as possible to the other customers at the party.Re Che De Barna`s request. The place you gave a link for is a `Fashion Health` the service they provide varies but for the most part they are a BJ type of place. They mention mat play for that they rub their pussy with lotion and rub you, there should be no penetration as FS is a no no. There are exceptions but that is usually negotiated with the girl who provides the service in the privacy of the room. You might want to try looking at the following URLs for out call places. You will need to be able to speak Japanese or have a fluent speaker call for you and set it up. There are also English speaking J-girls on call but the rate goes up to 35K for an hour. The prices at the Date Clubs (DC) vary from 15K for an hour FS to 45K for threesome. You can also request a rotation service where you get one girl for a shot and when you are finished with her they send out another. I have gotten foreign guys in by calling the shop and requesting they send out the girls for customers I am entertaining. Might want to try that if you strike out and have a J friend who is willing to go out with you.Re Rene02 request,I recommend going to an adult party if you speak Japanese. If you want a soap experience there are some places which will take foreigners if they have girls who speak English. As the girls will move from place to place and shops change owners almost every half year a search for a soap would have to be done the week you want to go. I have a AV (Porn Actress) friend who works at a soap from time to time she speaks English but she is expensive. She will refer me to a reasonably priced place if I ask her. Reasonable being 35K the last time a WSG fellow come through town. I introduced him to my friend and had coffee together while she called several of her aquaintances to confirm times available and policies of the soap.Have fun.
Che De Barna
02-17-04, 17:25
Rondolo and Sailing,Thanks for your advice guys, but actually I didn,t remember about the "administrator checking time" one-day delay between my post and its actual publication, so I met my friend yesterday and finally decided to give WOW WOW a try. Unfortunately, Rondolo was totally right, and as both my friend and I are European-looking we just had no chance to get in. We speak decent Japanese and know how to deal with Japanese people, but the guy at the entrance said that 1. the girls dont want to work with foreigners and thus 2. the management doesnt want foreigners to get in, so there wasnt no way he could get us in, although he understood our feelings, and saw that we were "yasashii hito" and was very sorry, bla, bla, bla. Damn, I REALLY wanted to try that Honoka chick (same taste, Rondolo!).Anyway, here comes my subsequent report:As we got shot down at WOW WOW's, my young friend (name) and I decided to head for Shibuya.As it's known, the 6th floor at the Tower was shut down after Xmas, so the only chance there to get FS was the 5th floor. Unfortunatedly for me, that's one place I really used to hate since once of the chinese guys who hooks the costumers on the street fooled me once (we had made a deal and they broke it) and I had promised not to go again. Anyway, we went up to check the 6h floor (u never know). Closed.We went down, and we meet one of the hooks for the 5th floor going upstairs together with a young, long black haired beauty. The guys recognises me and starts to work: he knows that I wont go up because I hate his work-mate (the guy who fooled me) and I think the facilities suck (they do, for the European standard), so he (he!) starts to bargain, from 15 000 / 60 min. In a couple of minutes I had a deal for 70 minutes with that beautiful girl at 11 000 yen and my friend could choose any one of the girls, same conditions, no pictures, the real chicks.This was a 21 yo girl from Shanghai whose fake japanese name I cant remember, but it was something like Lina (Rina). She could speak better english that japanese, which makes me think that she hasnt been here for too long. Beautiful childish face, nice smile (good teeth), nice body, although her butt was a biiiiit too meaty (dont misunderstand me: I'm a butt freak, so my appreciations about asses are really strict and usually I go too far for regular standards), and perfect (I mean PERFECT) skin. Oh, and one of the tightest pussies I've ever tried, even for asian (and she wasnt petite).As I had 70 minutes and only one shot (I didnt want to bargain too much), after a nice shower (in that horrible "bathroom") I decided to have a long massage: good technique. After that, we started to play and she soon grabbed one condom and left it ready to use. Then she started BJ: excellent. Even skinned. The 69 allowed me to test her, and she responded well, then we passed to the next step.She was kind of surprised of such a "big thing", but I know that's a technique they always use with white guys in Asia (there hasnt been a single time, not even one, that I havent heard that shit about "oh, what a big thing" here, while I have never heard it in Europe). Anyway, in this case this one might have been her first time with a foreigner, because she couldnt ride me - it hurt too much. And, again, I guarantee that was the tightest girl I've been with, so I cant really rate her technique: anything she did felt GREAT.Well, after a while, I finish, we talk for a while, shower, and go.My friend was waiting for me, and we went for a beer and some gyoza.Next post: last weekend at Shibuya's Bellagio.
Hi to all,Just to mention that the Red Light district that used to be in Machida is definitively closed. Still you can find a couple of girls working in love hotels but nothing good. A man I used to see a lot over there (probably linked to Yakuza) told me all girls are now in Hinodecho, Yokohama.I'm also interested in places that might accept foreigners around Machida, Sagami-ono or Odasaga. There are a lot of pink salon or health club over there, but even though I speak japanese I've never been able to enter one.Thanks
Starfe,Your message went away so I'm not sure if you're still looking for Tokyo hotel information or what. I have some opinions and experiences on this topic if you're interested. Repost if you need any help of send me a PM. Also, you didn't say if you would be mongering during your layover.
Are there girls who provide service for 2-3 hours in Love Hotel to gaijin ?I know some outcall service, but they need your room number, etc... and because in love hotels you can't open the door once in the room or even take the elevator, it would be kinda problem
Homer69 , I decided to stay in Tokyo for 2 nights and booked The Mansions at Roppongi for $190 a night. As for mongering the price could be out of my league in Tokyo.thanks againstarfe
Rene,There are a variety of places that service foreigners i.e. non-Japanese clients. They can be found in the escort section of the Metropolis magazine which can be picked up at Tower records, Virgin records and a variety of other places. The English speaking escorts for the most part are pricy they charge like 35K for 70 minutes and FS is an option which may cost an additional 10K and up. If your Japanese is native level you can call almost any DC listed in one of the many URLs which list a variety of places. They go for anywhere from 15K to 18K for an hour if you can pass yourself off as a J-guy. If you have a J-guy friend who will go with you it will make it a lot easier, but you may have to pay a surcharge. Some younger girls think you will rip them apart with the wicked thick foreign weapon. If you go to the area where the shop is located there will be no charge for exchanges if you don`t like the girl you got. There is no charge for cancelling either. If you have them travel out to where you live then they may charge a travel fee which can be as low as 1K to 6K depending upon the travel time and time of the day/night. Regarding Love hotels, if you check in to the hotel you have anywhere from 2-3 hours during the day and early evening. After 8 pm they will charge for the the entire night anywhere from 6K and up. Once in the hotel call the escort service and tell them the name of the love hotel and room number, they will then call you back at the hotel to confirm that you are actually there. They will then send out a girl to your room. When checking in just tell them that your girlfriend will be joining you later if they ask. There are some hotels which won`t play that game and insist that you both check in together. Just go to another hotel, most know what is going on but will just go with the story. They will let the girl or girls up to your room. Yes, there are DC which offer threesomes. The main areas for DCs are the following: Shibuya, Otsuka, Komagome(older women ie housewives) Nippori, and Uguisudani. There are some in Kinshicho, Ueno and some in Gotanda. Just be careful you don`t call a delivery health as they are basically BJ services and the girls charge extra for FS.Just to be on the safe side get in touch with the DC and find out whether the girl you have in mind is available that day at the time you plan to have your action. Confirm that the girl they are sending is actually the girl on the web page. Also ask whether they offer complete service and what options are available and the prices. You might what to have a couple of backup places (other DCs and girls) lined up in case the first DC flakes out. Have fun. I pm-ed you my contact info if you have any other questions.
Sailing, thanks a lot for the details. I emailed you before reading your below answer.as I have been to love hotels very often (cheap for the night stay with my girlfriend) I kind of remember tht most of the nice ones, in Shibuya for example, do not have any staff at the desk, it is rather all electronic. So can't let a girl in ater.... I used to get service from escort service while staying overnight in business hotel, but was never really satisfied, the girl was not pretty, or very late, .... anyway i think then it may be easier to go to hinomaru as I have never had any problem with them. But I wanted to try some role play....
Panther Claw.. has anyone ever tried them ?
Rene,I read and pm-ed you before reading your post, in the Otsuka area or Shinjuku area, there are many hotels which would be very accomodating to the escort type of service. Many escort services offer costume play you can get her to bring a school girl uniform, nurse uniform, Bud girl, Office lady etc. Many of these places offer this service at no additional charge. Since you seem to have some language ability, I don`t think it would be too difficult to set something up.
Mighty Spearsman
02-19-04, 17:51
Che De Barna recently published this link for Wow Wow:http://www.wowow-club.net/index2.htmlWhat he forgot to mention is - when you get to that home page, click on 'System," then when that page appears, click on the WOWOW blue box on the lower left-hand side. You'll get a humorous cartoon that shows you (with Japanese text) what happens here. Other posters here on WSG have pointed out that you can then use a language translater to translate the Japanese text into English (although I've never done so).I've noticed that many Japanese web sites mentioned here have the cartoon feature - always fun to look at, especially the "anal" place discussed a few pages back from this page.
This is my first post. I was wondering what an adult party is. I saw this in an earlier post, as well as a post in the picture thread.I am going to Tokyo in a few weeks and I am curious as to what these are. If it is all good I may want to check it out.Thanks.
A quick recap:1) Century 21 - though I hardly go there anymore, decided to visit after returning from biz trip to the states. Around 9pm, sat with Mina and Karen. Had 2 nice pops. Mina is quite fresh, enthusiastic and attractive and Karen is predictable - just get her mouth on your dick quickly or she will waste your time chatting. Nicest tits on any j-girl I've seen. One note - the manager asked me to be careful and to be gentle. I guess some guys have been rough with the girls. I asked Mina about it and she confirmed that it's 'scary' to be with gaijiin because sometimes they get too rough. Remember to clip your nails, guys! This is the no. 1 turn off for these girls. Every place has a clipper laying around if you forget.2) Sex Tower - was heavily touted, but passed. Asked the guys about the crackdowns and they confirmed. Also asked them about gaijiin acceptance. They (chinese) don't have a problem with it as long as the guy is not drunk and obnoxious. 2F will accept gaijiin, too, if you have some minimal japanese or pretend you do. 2F Pink Salon is a bargain and not heavily visited - especially by gaijiin. The women are older, heavier and very typically old school. But they perform perfectly and there's a couple of jewels there if you hit the timing right.Ciao!
Rabo Verde
02-21-04, 18:12
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Went to Shibuya sex tower a few weeks ago late in the afternoon and One of the touts said that some didn`t accept gaijin but for some strange reason his one did went in I think the first floor small rooms had a shower the girl was nice good bj but no F/s signs all over the place saying no Sex and don`t even ask.Can ayone give me an update on this place and or the name of the places that do take us gaijin, do you take the elevator or stairs?When is the best time to get a good selection of girls at hinomaru?Thanks all
Could someone tell me exactly where Pinochio is? Is it in the same place as centry 21?Thanks
Hello -Hinomaru update: Visited around 10am. Noticed 3 girls on staff including Mimi, I definitely did NOT want her! Got a 1000y discount ticket from the tout and picked Kaori (???????j?@It costs 2000y to choose a girl. If you do, you will get a little better service and location to sit. Kaori was slim, older, funky makeup but cute enough. Nicely trimmed bush and perk B cups. Her service was professional - just enough GFE to make you feel wanted. I was surprised that she went straight to FS after only a short time BJ. Super tight pussy and she enjoyed the ride.I asked her about the disease problem and she said that many girls weren't taking care properly, but it should be better. I still recommend full wrap with these chicks. At least Kaori smelled clean and obviously attended herself accordingly. Some of the other girls there recently were so bad I just left after talking a few minutes with them.So, for your morning pleasure - I recommend Kaori. She is working there from 5am - 1pm tues -> sun. Best time to visit (IMHO) is between 9 and 11. Before that and after it can get busy.Price - 9k with 1k ticketLooks - 7CBJ - yesCFS - yesGFE - 5Service - 8 (no rush)Technique - 7S
Another Gaijin-friendly Seikan in Shibuya:One more option seems to be available for gaijin mongers in Shibuya area. I recently got together with another monger from here and found L/S in the Shibuya area near Mark City. It?s in the same building as G-Style, which has previously been reviewed here. The web site has fairly good information and pictures, but as with G-Style and a few of the other gaijin-friendly places, the alien?s girl selection isn?t as wide as the native?s. My friend and I got a choice of 4 girls, the next Japanese guy that came in the door got about 12 cards to choose from. I noticed there seems to be some connection with G-Style as the girl I got was in the same 10th floor suite that G-style has sent me to when I went there. The prices are typical of these places and start from 9K for 30 minutes and go up 4K for each additional 15minutes. Unfortunately, there?s no first timer?s discount, but I did get a 1K off card for the next time. There?s an optional ?mat? course here that costs 1K extra. But as far as I can see, all you get is a mat?all the same play could be done on the regular bed. Also, if you go to the place, don?t just walk into the shop?make sure to ring the speakercom outside. We just walked in and the guy inside became a little unsettled and asked us not to do that next time. I thought the girls were of higher quality?6-8?and I was pleased with the girl I got?attractive face and a nice body with F-cup headlights. She gave an arousing BBBJ, showed enthusiastic interest in me and little Mister H and let me have FS. Overall a good GFE and I was well satisfied with her. If you?ve been to seikans before or have adequate Japanese conversation ability, there should no problem getting in and using the facilities. My friend and I enjoyed this place very much and will definitely come back again. To get there, walk from Tokyu Plaza along the main road, 246. Walk up the hill about 3 or 4 minutes, past the new overhead pedestrian walkway. It?s in a building with white lit signs and red lettering. One of the signs reads ?ESP group?. Enter the building next to the cigarette machine. It?s on the 5th floor?suite 5A, I believe. There?s nothing that indicates L/S on the door or in the building directory.Pros? Higher quality, sexy Japanese girls?most are 6-8 in my book? Convenient location?3minutes from Shibuya station in a regular business building? Fairly useful and informative web site? No first timer?s fee or charge for choosing a girl from the picturesCons? Currently no first timer?s discount ? repeater discount also weak?only 1K off after 5 visitsWeb site is at http://www.l-s66.com/
Panther claw in RoppongiI have been wanting to try this place out for a while as it advertises for foreigners. I called up last weekend and had a session with "Coco" in a nearby love hotel. First let me say about the club. The hostess is very friendly and informative although skews the facts a little but I guess that is to be expected. The service was Very expensive as Coco asks more then the rest of the girls, (she told me she did) as she is/was a professional model quality woman. Also there was a Taxi fee I should have expected of 5000 yen. Plus another 10000 yen for the Anal option. Plus the 7000 for the room in Roppongi it just goes on and on. Now after all that, was it worth it, well yes and no. Coco was astonishingly beautiful for a professional escort. But she was not exactly GFE either. She was passive at best but then again how often do you get a woman like this to let you take her ass. So she was very nice profesional and complimentary just not the most active professional I have met. I would use the club again and maybe even her despite the expense. She was incredbily hot and the club was friendly and helpful so I am happy with them. But at over 60000 total for one hour it is difficult to imagine going often.Also about this cclub they have a Famous former Japanese AV star working there whose name they don't seem to want posted so I won't and she wants 150000 for 2 hours time no anal. TIt might be worth it if anyone is interested to try this out is you are rich and let us know how it was. I Have seen her videos and she might be worth it if I had the cash to spend.
Ambassador
02-25-04, 08:06
Thanks for the recent reports, Mister H and Katana. Very interesting and complete. Soujourn, I'm glad you had a good time with Kaori, cause based on my time with her (which I reported on here), she didn't rate a do-over. I would give her a GFE score of 0 or 1. On the positive, her BBBJ was around an 8. Guess YMMMV. (Your mongering mileage may vary). Maybe she was in a good mood the day you went or a bad mood the day I went, who knows. For info only, I posted to the Hiroshima board (first one there!), so if anyone is going there, might be worth a read. Also, I see we have a new board just for Nampa discussions. Actually, I have no problem with them being included in the regular boards, but my reasoning goes beyond the scope of this report so I'll just leave it at that.One faux SW experience I had that I don't think I have reported here was an old lady on the small road that parallels the Yamanote line, between Shinjuku and Shin Okubo. She was walking along real slow, making eye contact, and I was out cruising, not really intent on buying anything but more or less just window shopping. Anyway, she seemed to be in good shape and had an unprofessional look about her that made me curious, so I asked her if she would like to play. She must have been used to dealing with a lot of foreigners, because she motioned to her mouth and said "ichi man". I thought it was a little expensive, but what the hell, right? All in the name of adding to one's life experiences. Weird thing was, she didn't want to use a love hotel even though there was one just 15 meters away. She pulled me by the hand to what looked like somebody's carport! And there was a car there! She says "daijoubu, daijoubu" as she pulls me to the front of the car. She was going to put a raincoat on me right away, but I pleaded with her a bit and she said she would do nama for a while and then put it on later. That was better with me. So down come the pants, and she is kneeling in front of me as I prop myself up on the hood of this car in someone's carport less than 20 meters from the Yamanote line. She proceeds to give me a decent BJ, and about two minutes later a train comes screaming by. I turn my head to see a flash of faces going by inside the brightly lit cars. I know they couldn't see me and her unless they were looking right in that exact spot as the train passed, but still the thought that even one person might have seen me there getting a BJ in public was kind of exciting. Trouble was, I think I was a little worried about the passersby on the road. For those of you familiar with the area, you know it gets a lot of foot traffic at night :-) Awesome Amby just wasn't performing to spec that night, and soon the lady was starting to rush me, after she had put the raincoat on (which made Amby a little irritated after the nice environment he was just getting used to, inside her mouth nama). Would you believe that some people walked toward the carport as if they lived there or something? Man, I was ready to panic, but the lady said something like, "don't worry", as she and I gathered ourselves, I pulled my pants back up, and we left as if we had just gone in there by accident and had suddenly realized our mistake. I asked her for the money back, feeling that it was her fault for not agreeing to go to a love hotel in the first place, but she kind of walked away from me real fast, and I didn't want to pursue the matter further. I go through some AV binges maybe six times a year, renting a bunch of videos that strike my fancy. On one of my trips to the video store, I couldn't believe my eyes when I looked at one of the video jackets and this old (60s) lady was on the back cover! It was an obasan video, with maybe three ladies in their 40s and above. I rented it and gosh, she was just skin and bones when they shot the video. Guess they paid her quite well, because she had no problem doing FS for the camera. (Sailing, if you get a chance to ask your AV actress friend, I'd like to know how much ladies like her and other so called jukujou and hitozuma get paid for one time video deals.) If anybody thinks they have seen this lady around there lately, let me know. This happened a whiles back, maybe even 5 years, so don't know if she's even gracing this planet anymore.
Ralph Kramden
02-25-04, 14:39
GentlemenKatana spiked my interest in Panther Claw. They have a quite nice web site at pantherclaw.com. In English no less, but alas, no map. Katana, would you please post directions, and thank you for your informative report.
I may try panther as well, as it seems some girls are very hot.
I would post a map if there was one..or if I had been there. I haven't. I called up they told me where to meet the woman. That was that. It must be easy if you have a hotel already. Rika (the agent) was very good about calling me back and arranging things. The woman she promised was exactly as promised and that is very rare. Anyway just call. her English is good if you speak Japanese even better but the club seems to be focused on the foreign clients.
RE Panther Claw,Why do they have pics of Jun Kusanagi on the web page? Don't tell me she is an escort there.
Rondolo, I think Jun Kusanagi is the owner of Panther Claw.Katana, what's the name of the 150,000 yen AV star? would like to find her videos first.. thanks a lot.
Che De Barna
02-29-04, 18:51
Hi again gentlemen,Sorry for taking so long since I last (and first, actually) posted. I had to take care of something in Taiwan, and I've been there these days. By the way, nothing interesting there, at least for those like me who are out of the local scene. I confirmed on the terrain the rather discouraging info I had gathered from the Taipei forum. But, in fact, this trip has been useful to our cause: I have come to the happy conclusion that actually the very best of Taiwan's beauty and savoir faire is right here, in Tokyo!But that'll be my next report.For today, I said I'd talk about the Bellagio, because things can get really complicated sometimes.As usual, I was with my young unnamed friend roaming around Shibuya. You know, he still has the faith of the unexperienced, so he insisted to try each and every place around the love hotel area, although I knew we had no chance to get into any of those places. After one hour or so of the "expected racist rejection-try to convince them and be nice" game, we had concluded that we rather try some of the chinese places (that's my next report), when one old guy approached us and offered "Young girls. High level girls. Young."His chinese accent increased my expectations, but I wanted to make really sure so I insisted on the fact that we didnt want any stupid massage, but SEX. He said "no problem", we talked for a while, emphasizing the SEX part, and finally we got to the place, the Bellagio.Down in the basement, the usual counter guy, irasshaimase, bla, bla. We ask again, and try to arrange the price, as I always do. No chance this time, and I didnt really wanted to lose more time. It's ichiman for massage, shower and BJ, plus ichiman if we wanted FS. I ask: so, it's niman for one hour, huh? Yes, he answers. He wouldnt let us check the chicks live, so we had to trust the pictures. I choose one really good looking big breasted onnanoko, and my friend a really cute one, rather flat.First KO: As expected, mine was SO FAR form the picture, really chubby and yes, rather big breasted for asian, but she should have used milk bottle to feed her (imo, MANY) children, if you know what I mean. Let's make it brief: FLACCID *****. And BAD TEETH (I hate that over all things).Second KO: anyway, I can take it as it comes, so I decided not to mind her flaccid ass and breast and bad teeth and enjoy a presumably good performance (at least she looked old enough as to have looong experience). But the first thing she said ("barked" would be more accurate) was: umpf, you're gaijin?Third KO: POSITIVE THINKING. Dont give them the chance to say that they "knew it!" when you first stepped inside the house! Stay nice and smile. You're clean, good mannered and have a good sense of humor.So shall we go for the shower? Of course, not. You go alone, I'll wait for you outside.Forth KO: massage? hahhaahah.None of that. She goes straight onto my tool armed with one condom and starts a skinned pretty amateur BJ. Two or three minutes seem to be eough for her, who just tries to stick little Che in her pussy without any warning. But still.Fifth KO: complaining about my apparently enormous cock all the time. Yukkuri, yukkuri (I was). Dont do it like this, do it missionary style. OK, no prob. No, dont try to kiss my neck. OK, no prob. Dont lick my back. OK, no prob. Dont even touch by mistake my ass. Ehm, sorry, can I do it doggy style? You're fuckin crazy! OK, no prob.I just felt fooled but still was thinking positive: sometimes it happens, you'll grow out of it.But then, it went WORSE!(I'm not counting the KO's anymore)The ***** starts to complain about how long I'm taking, but the hour was FAR to finish yet. So I just say, dont rush, I have an hour, huh? Goddam it... she pushes me back and starts to yell at me. Gaijin blah, gaijin blah, sex is only 30 minutes, you are stupid, dont understand japanese (I do, even her shitty chinese accent).I just sit down quitely and let the ***** steam for a while.She even calls the manager, out of her mind, screaming from one extreme of the place to the other, while I just remain there, sitting in silence. After a good while,the guy appears and "explains to me" that it's half an hour massage, half an hour sex. I say I knew that, but I hadnt even gotten my fuckin massage. Finally he thinks everything is clear, so he leaves, and she says that we can "continue". Hah! Now it was my turn, and, very solemnly, I start dressing and talking at the same time, telling her how yasashikunai she had been, that I wasnt deaf, so no need to scream to tell me things, specially when I know them (like the 30 minutes thing), etc. She doesnt know what to say now, *****. So I get my stuff and leave her there.Back in the counter I tell the guy that I dont want to do that chick. He says that it's ok, so I ask him to show me the picks again. He makes one of those faces people make here: what? Yeah, I didnt get my massage and I didnt fuckin came, so I wanna choose another girl. Trouble. No, no, I cant understand you, let me call the other guy who can speak english. What? I can speak japanese, but He just doesnt want to make a decision about me, so I just wait and stay there without messing around the place. Finally the other guy comes and takes me out of the shop, to talk. He says that they cant give my money back, and of course I say that I'm not moving till I get it, or a different girl. He calls anpother guy, I suppose the boss or something, but I remain cool. Finally he says that he wont give me my money back, but he can "do me one personal favor" and give 5000 from his own, and I leave. Of course I didnt accept, so he roleplays a little more, some calls and stuff, and finally says that "at end I could speak to the boss, and he says that you can choose another girl".And after the storm, the sunshine!The chick was a bit chubby, but really FIRM and with beautiful big firm breast. Extremely GF-like and nice to me. Gave me a REAL massage with oil and even using her whole body. And, she said, as she liked my "takai hana" and latino natural perm (asians are weird, sometimes!), she gave me a "special service": a nice AR and namaBJ. We had a great time and exchanged phone numbers: I'm meeting her this week, after my trip, when she's free. I'll report.Conclusion: take care at Bellagio's, it's expensive for what it is, and you don't know what you'll get. Try to see the chick before, dont trust the picks. And don't let them fool you, be tough - but gentle, that help me a lot this time!
Hi! Shibuya tower update,Monday feeding frenzy. Looks like our old friend is back from SH and now working the 2nd. floor. What does this mean? Well add a couple cuties from the mainland to the mix! I went with my old favorite the chunky girl w/cute face. Even though she'd been busy that day, really great service and a smile. 3rd floor is basically difficult to get into if you don't have decent japanese skills. But 2nd and 5th are very foreign friendly. Almost too popular now. Also - has anyone tried the place across the street with the heart shaped sign? It appears to be a PS with good discount - only 6k.
Che De Barna
03-01-04, 18:07
Quick update about the Bellaggio plus apologies and one petition:Today I was checking the old reports and I found the URL of Bellaggio's.Be warned: the Chinese witch I had trouble with was the apparently so really good looking one on the main page of their web site. Or, at least, that was the picture I pointed to.http://www.a-side.com/bellagio/index2.htmApologies: to the administrator, for giving him such a hard time with my dirty language and to my monger fellows, for having to read so many *****'s - it won't happen again.The petition:As I said, I've been checking old reports, and I found something that may be interesting - Shibuya starts to be boring. It's one place called Paichu, in Gotanda. The reports were good, but old. I found the URL and checked it, and now I'm curious about it. Has anybody been there lately?Thanks in advance!
Che De Barna
03-01-04, 19:26
Ok, another Shibuya report, love hotel area.This has come to be my favorite place in Shibuya, after three visits since January.If you check the directions map to go to Bellagio'shttp://www.a-side.com/bellagio/images/map.gifYou'll notice that on the way there, when you turn left passed the curry shop facing Lawson's, there's the usual massage place. I'm talking about the one in the basement. If I'm not wrong, there's something going on on the 2nd floor as well, but I haven't checked (yet?).My unnamed friend and I ended up here once while the Tower was closed after Xmas. Of course no one can beat the Tower's prices, but still I think it's a really good place, considering how difficult has the very fact of paying for sex become lately for gaijin in Shibuya.As usual, it was one of the guys hooking customers by the main road who first approached us. I always do it the same way: first, let them know that want I want is FS. Then, try to arrange the price. And usually it works with this guys. The system is similar to that at Bellaggio's, they'll say niman for one hour, including massage, shower, BJ and FS (and one free drink, beer, if you want, or just tea). So that's it.First we checked the picks. Of course all the girls looked flawless, so I was suspicious about it and asked to check the real stuff. I asked to see a couple of them, and my friend decided to wait to check another one who was having a shower on that moment while drinking a beer.The first one I had chosen didnt really match the pick, so I declined. Bad hair style and too fat. I didn't even care about checking her teeth.But the second one... she was beyond the picture.She was an AMAZING 23 yo Taiwanese chick, absolutely PERFECT for my taste. Her nickname was KAORI.Nice tanned skin, beatiful 100% Southern Asian face with deep dark eyes... long straight black hair, perfect butt, tits and belly, all the stereotypes a white guy dreams about.Not only that, but also she was nice to me and specially to Big Che, who got a 9 point (skinned) BJ that almost made him burn all the powder just three minutes after starting... before that, we had had a hot, lubrified, almost GFE shower together, something that almost never happens in one of these places. I took her in my arms Tarzan style from the shower all the way to the bed, to her amusement (and old mamasan's, sitting on her bamboo chair). I threw her (gently) on the bed and started playing.I have to admit that I just couldnt help it: I ate the whole thing for ten minutes or so. And she liked it, oh yeah she did. Now it's done, so no regret.After that, she made me stop and asked if I wanted the massage, which I accepted, just to make it more interesting when we resumed.After ten minutes or so of a pretty decent massage, she decided that it was time to proceed to check Big Che, and who am I to say no?So, as I said, her BJ technique can be qualified with 9 points, and after having to stop that awesome BJ she was giving me, she lied down, waiting for the train. Missionary for a while, then side back pump, side front, one knee down doggy, vertical doggy, and even my favorite, which not all girls know how to do, back pump her on the top looking to the ceiling. She would be willing to try anything I proposed.As a special occasion, breaking my own rule of always coming inside the body, not the mouth, I asked her to come with a BJ (skinned, I dind't want to screw things up with unnecessary requests), which she didn't have any inconvenient to do. It was intense and long.We had some time left, so after another shower we chatted about Taiwan and Japan and stuff.I have to say, though, and I dont know if it's good or not, that yes, she was definitively friendly and willing, pretty much GFE, but she behaved like a professional all the time, stating things clear and firm, with a smile: BJ, with raincoat; no anal; no AR. In other words, just high quality plain sex for a reasonable price.My and my young fellow, who had gotten a very good memory of that place as well, were back there yesterday, but she had a free day, so, a bit disappointed, I must say, I asked to check the girls, who had changed since that day, before I went to Taiwan. We were talking about these things with the guy at the door when a chick arrived, something similar to what happened to me in my last visit to the Tower (see report). I'm lucky, sometimes.I didn't hesitate and said: "I'll take this one".But that's tomorrow's report.EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions to remove the multiple periods throughout the text. To avoid delays in future reports, please consider using a comma to separate the phrases in your sentences and a single period at the end of each sentence. Thanks!
I went to Seiki 21 twice over the course of the past week. Accepted the BBBJTC from 3 different girls. So far, no itching no dripping , no problem (not a recommedation, it's just what I did). Anyway, didn't really have a lot of problems finding it. The sign on the side of the building is blue, written in Japanese. Look for the number 21 if you don't speak Japanese. It will be the only discernable characters, which let me know I was in the right spot.Enter the building through the elevator in the Gyu-Syoku opening.There was Kanna. She gave me a card with her name & the number 20, (which confuses me, each time I went there were only 2 or 3 girls). She gives a nice job even though she is about a 5 in looks. She drew the task of giving me the second shift both days.I also had Mina but her technique was a bit too gentle for me.There was another girl who was the most attractive the first day. Short reddish tinted hair. She was about a 6. Really good BBJ.I tried the SW scene over by Shinjuku. There are a few girls available on the commercial side of the street with the Shinjuku Prince Hotel and the next street, next to the police station. Beware, it looked like TV's at the top of that second block. Listen to the voices! However on that block, provided you walk on the inside of the bushes, there'll be about 6 or so girls.Black mongerers beware! As a gaijin, and a black gaijin, I got absolutely no love at all from any of these girls. They seem to approach some of the caucasians, so the rest of you guys may not be out of luck.
Ambassador
03-02-04, 09:21
The below URLs are for ladies who supposedly allow Greek. Most work for delivery healths. Of the websites I've seen, the option price for Greek runs from 3,000 to 10,000, with 7-10K being the most common. Of course, I doubt many of these ladies would agree to give AF service to us foreign beasts, but who knows.If anyone has been able to do AF who hasn't posted here about it, I'd appreciate any info you can provide. In the meantime, I'm enjoying the pictures of these ladies and the knowledge that they do AF, even if only for the Japanese customers...http://www.fuzoku-townpage.com/d/abc-g/20040122014018.htm http://www.fuzoku-townpage.com/d/abc-g/20031024222823.htmhttp://www.fuzoku-townpage.com/d/abc-g/20030919054915.htmhttp://www.fuzoku-townpage.com/d/wangan/20031221200205.htmhttp://www.fuzoku-townpage.com/d/wangan/20031221195104.htmhttp://www.fuzoku-townpage.com/d/sparky/20031213194254.htmhttp://www.fuzoku-townpage.com/d/sparky/20031124181326.htmhttp://www.fuzoku-townpage.com/d/sparky/20031121153930.htmhttp://www.fuzoku-townpage.com/d/sparky/20031108234638.htmhttp://www.love-again.com/photo/girls/nao.htmlhttp://www.love-again.com/photo/girls/wakaba.htmlhttp://www.fuzoku-townpage.com/d/ojamakko/20030917164210.htmhttp://www.fuzoku-townpage.com/d/ojamakko/20030405031452.htmhttp://www12.ocn.ne.jp/~pinthera/pinktherapy-new_008.htm
Che De Barna,Do you remember the name of the places that turned you down in Shibuya? Or the area?
Che De Barna
03-02-04, 20:37
Hi, Rondolo:Let's make it brief.Basicaly, I have been shot down EVERYWHERE in Shibuya. Believe me, I've tried each and every place that has crossed my sight. Most of this places are located within the love hotel area.The only exceptions are the Tower, the Belaggio and the last place I reported near the Belaggio. This three shops have one thing in common: they are ruled by the Chinese and Chinese are the girls that you get. Places offering Japanese girls rejected me systematicly.Now, let me punctualize:1. I'm not interested on BJ shops, massage shops and, generally speaking, anywhere I cant get FS for sure, so actually there's a lot of places that I just dropped from my check list from the beginning.2. I'm a clean, good-looking, young (white) European guy. I dress expensive clothes and wear glasses. I speak decent Japanese and have good manners. So I've come to the conclusion that the problem cannot be me but their, let's call it like this, admission criteria.3. I wanna fuck one of those Japanese cuties so bad! For God's sake is that so difficult? SOME ONE TAKE ME WITH HIM!Read you.ChePS: "Che" is enough to call me.
Che,It sounds like your requirements are pretty stiff (excuse the pun). I think most of us gaijin mongerers accept that cute young Japanese ladies are either very expensive or just plain unavailable at most places, because of the "admission criteria" or what might be referred to as the "contamination factor." Basically, there is this fear that we drive the customers (Japanese men) away, and it may or may not be a valid one.An American comedian once said that he wouldn't want to be a member of a club that would have him as a member. I've put myself in the mind of a Japanese salaryman (I have many friends and co-workers who are) and they are sometimes frankly xenophobic and somewhat insecure in their manhood and really prefer to do their business at Japanese-only places where they find ladies that are young, cute and "unspoiled" by any gaijin contamination. I can relate to this because I've had long talks with these friends and co-workers about this very subject over many beers, sake, shochu and whiskey, where they do open up their true feelings when they are drunk. They really prefer to stick to joints that are not gaijin-friendly and closed to outsiders and I think these places are merely protecting their franchises more than anything else.Some of these guys make jokes (although it may not be that much of a joke) that they are concerned about their daughters when they get to a certain age, might be lured into this business for the big money it pays, "because they have much personal experience talking to and dealing with these Japanese ladies because they are just like someone else's daughter" in their home neighborhood. So, it's personal for many of my friends and co-workers and they certainly would not want their own daughters servicing non-Japanese, either.It takes a different kind of Japanese lady to service a gaijin because most likely she is some respectable guy's daughter trying to make some extra cash and not a foreigner who is here for reasons we don't need to get into. So, I think your misfortunes have more to do with the reality of the marketplace more than anything else.I do understand the lure of these Japanese cuties but I've long ago given up on having convenient, reasonable access to them based on my conversations with their customer base. I can understand where I'm not wanted and and very appreciative for the other opportunities that are out there as described in this board. I also understand the overhead of dealing with the Chinese places, too, and it's a hassle and a crapshoot but at least they take gaijin.
Che,Can't really help you much since I just frequent BJ Shops. But if it's cheap FS with J-girls you're looking for, I suggest you take a train ride up to Nishi Kawaguchi. Some places you can get FS (called NK-Ryuu in that area) for 10k but the quailty of the girl varies greatly.The entire area is full of BJ Shops and Soaps but the area that usually takes foreigners is located at the west exit of the station. It's the street on the right of the rotary. It's packed with touts and one of them, if not all, will try to pull you into their shop, race regardless sometimes.I haven't been there in over a year so things may have changed. But you can easily investigate via a Net search.Good luck,Rondolo
Hi there,1) You should try L/S and G-Style in the Shibuya 'ESP' building. It's on right side of R246 walking away from the station towards Mark building. Japanese required - or at least a good fake (lots of 'wakarimashite' and 'so desu ne') My FS rate about 60%2) 2nd floor Tower - daytime. 2 japanese girls there usually. 1 chunky with big tits and cute face. The other may be a stunner - Reika. Minimum japanese required. My FS rate over 90%3) Skinless memorial stroll. Everything from Beatlejuice to trannies. Make your pick carefully. FS rate - only if you decline!4) Kanda esutes and street. Hit or miss SW. Have had some nice older (30's) there in a businessman hotel. FS guaranteed - but you gotta get hooked up first which is a little difficult without some Japanese.5) Uguisudani - Love hotels next to tracks. SW scene. Mostly older japanese and chinese. FS guaranteed - especially from the chinese SW. Japanese SW a little hard to pickup, but possible. If you wanna bang your obaachan fantasy - here's the place.6) Otsuka - Near love hotels, again. Wierd scene. Been turned away by some touts and then next time welcomed in. Variety of traditional Japanese sex slums. Everything from SW to PS and esute. Had a little of everything here. FS in the esute and PS. FS rate less than 30%. Would like anyone else's experience about this place.7) Roppongi - don't bother unless you have alot of JPY or know exactly where to go. However, the bar scene is happening,especially on thursday nites which is uniformly 'OL get laid nite' at many places. Heartland, Motown, etc. Watch where the office ladies go after getting off work from Roppongi Hills and surrounds. A few tequilas later and BAM!Ciao!
Hi all,I'll be in Japan on the 9th of March to the 12th of March and was wondering if any brother would be kind enough to bring me around Tokyo. Help would be much appreciated especially that I don't speak japanese.If anyone can gelp, please drop me a mail at [Email address deleted by Admin]Thanks!EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending remove email addresses in the text. To avoid delays in future reports, please do not post email addresses in the Forum. Instead, please invite other Forum Members to contact you directly via the Forum's Private Messaging system. Thanks!
Super6stud9
03-04-04, 05:12
PASSING OVER JAPAN.I was planning a trip to japan , but the prices (almost $100 for FS with a so so looking girl) are not worth the expense.True, some Japanese girls are very beautiful , but those are going for prices that will get you a goddess in other parts of the world.I am astonished at the prices , and what punthers get in return in Japan. Also, begging for a shag is not my style. I find it amusing that gaijin are not let into the establishments. So to the poor punthers stuck in Japan, my best condolences. At least Thailand/Cambodia is just a 1 to 2 hour flight from Japan. Where you can unload with model types for a fifth of the price in Japan. It is no wonder even Japanese visit these countries also.
Thailand/Cambodia is a little longer than a 1 to 2 hour flight from Japan.
I have always had FS at Hinomaru. I have to agree with Homer's view on the J-guys and the places that do not accept gaijins. Same in Korea, they now have closed their RLD to foreigners, addind a huge ban over the entrance which simplay says 'non-korean not admitted from that point'.This may look rude, racist or whatever, but once you know a bit more about the culture and the way asian people feel about themselves, their pride and somehow their own weaknesses and insecure feelings, then you would understand.Remember Alabama state in the 70s and South Africa until the 80s, the apartheid was not just to avoid black people having sex with the white ladies.... anyway, I do not want to start to talk about those things here. My point was just to say that they are many gaijin-friendly places and that many offer FS. Other solution is to meet J-girls, then you get the culture and language barrier, but who never tries never knows.Enjoy this great country and this great city, have sex anyway.
Shibuya Sex Tower update.The entire building is just about closed down. The only shop doing business when I went tonight was the Fashion Health club on the 2F. The two estees on 5 and 6 are gone, the place on 3F was there, but the signs and posters have been taken down and when I opened the door, the girl there said they weren't doing business anymore. And Pinocchio on 2F has also closed. The only sign that remains is for the FH club "Peperon".So, went to Seiki 21 because I wanted something cheap tonight. Asked who was in and it seemed to be the regulars, plus one I hadn't heard of before, "Mina". I picked Kanna because she was reliable before. She gave me a great BJ, and I even got her to climax with my fingers - she was squirming all over the place.Afterwards, she told me she was finishing work on 15th April and asked me if I wanted to go out for a drink with her. I declined, as... you know. But anyway, if you're nice, and you like her, go there and give it a try. She is a DJ too, and is learning English, so I'm sure she'll make someone very happy.As for the report below that someone has had 90% success of FS at Peperon... geez, how hard did you try? I have never had FS there, thanks to the very intimidating signs everywhere. I only got a BBBJCIM once too! Can you remember the names of the girls who let you do that?
Greetings fellow hobbyists!I am a 52 year old gaigin from the US with virtually no Japanese language skills yet, and though I can read the katakana and hiragana, I usually don't know what I am reading! I'm a newly arrived resident of Tsukuba. Last week, after carefully studying the posts from the experts on this board, I ventured into the Shinjuku/Kabuki-chu RLD, and, as a fairly experienced hobbyist back home, I must say I was rather intimidated by all the "Japanese Only" signs, and the rather cold reception from most of the propriators of the "picture galleries" that I wandered into. After pounding the pavement for an hour or two, I was finally approached by an English-speaking tout who offered to take me to an establishent where I would have my choice of several girls, 16K for the hour--FS. I took him up on the offer, and went with him to a 5th floor establishment near the big blue 747 sign--sorry I can't be more specific, but I'm still quite unfamilar with the area. I chose Yuki, 19, from the book of pictures--she was the one with the biggest tits in the picture book. While the room was a bit cramped, hot, and Spartan, the place was clean, as was the girl, who was fun, receptive to DFK, DATY, provided BBBJ, and nice covered FS. The mamasan, who spoke passable English, did wheedle quite a bit more from me than the original 16K, but in a very jocular, respectful manner, and since I wanted a second round with Yuki, it ended up 30K by the time I was done (which did last the full hour). She also offerered 2 girls for 20K if I came back next time without the tout. (Of course, she would rather not have to pay the commission.) I may take her up on the offer (knowing, of course, that she now knows that she canl probably squeeze more out of me when all is said and done).Later in the evening, I was approached by several more touts--and some very nice looking streetwalkers had now appeared on the scene--including some Europeans. But I was spent for the evening. I think I will explore the area again starting later in the evening next time. The area is near the Prince Hotel, but, as I said, I am not familar enough with the area to provide more specific directions than that. So here are my questions for the experts:1. Can I expect the same kind of fairly decent, trustworthy service from the girls that the touts will lead me to? (In the place I was at, I even took a chance and left my pants with wallet and several thousand yen unattended while I showered--and everything was still there when I returned!) 2. Is it the usual practice in these establishments for the mamasan to try to squeeze more cash from gaijins? As I said, while this was done in a joking and respectful manner, I did find it surprisingly more aggressive than I have run into in other "legitimate" business enterprises. And I thought the 300 that I finally did end up paying was a little steep. 3. Regarding the 'love hotels"--can you get a room there for a regular overnight or two-night stay, with normal check-in and check out times? I was thinking of using one as a base for a couple of days of mongering, combined with other activities, while in Tokyo.4. Does anyone know if there are any escorts, pink salons, or other venues in Tsukuba? (Or, at least closer to the Tsukuba area than downtown Tokyo?) It is a LONG bus ride down there, especially on weekdays, when the traffic is awful!Thanks for your help, and I would welcome any and all advice!
McManus1000
03-04-04, 20:06
Anyone have any info on strip clubs in Tokyo? General info is appreciated, but especially interested if anyone has had any luck in arranging services outside the club. Please feel free to send me a message if you prefer not to post on the board.Thanks!
About strip clubs:There are many strip clubs in Tokyo area. The foreigner friendly ones tend to be in the Roppongi area and feature women from all over. I recommend visiting the Kama Sutra which is small, but very friendly women. Following that, you can visit Private Eyes, One eyed Jacks and more. Most strip clubs have 'happy hour' prices and I recommend you try that before committing to the full price schedule.In outlying areas you can find other strip clubs that feature mostly Fillipina, Korean and some Chinese women. Rarely are foreigners allowed to the all Japanese clubs - especially away from Tokyo and Roppongi, in general.If you are visiting for business then suggest to your host(s) that you may be interested to see a Japanese cabaret show. Chances are they will treat you to at least a hostess club experience, after a few drinks it's OK to say you'd like to visit a strip club. But let them suggest anything more as it's a bit rude to request something like health club or soap club as a visitor.
Japan,Regarding love hotels, you can't do a 2-night stay as far as I know. You can stay overnight after a certain hour depending on availability but it's strictly a short-term stay only. I don't know of any love hotels where you can check in and check out two days later. You might scout around in your favorite area next time for a business hotel or check the Internet. The Tokiwa in Nippori comes to mind because it's convenient to the Joban line for you.About the trustworthiness, somebody here with more experience can answer that question because I'm curious about this, too. What do you do with your wallet and other valuables when you leave a room to shower? CJW, Sojourner, et. al? I've left some valuables (cash, camera, etc.) in a coin locker at a station prior to my mongering but that's a hassle. I was thinking of taking a plastic bag or some sort of purse with me where I can put my wallet and having it within view during the showering.I'm not sure how long you're going to be in Tsukuba but the new Joban express train from Tsukuba City Center to Akihabara (45 minutes) will be operational in about autumn 2005. That will be great for any mongerers based in Tsukuba.You're right about the bus into Tokyo from Tsukuba. It really sucks when it hits the central Tokyo outskirts on weekdays. Going back leaving Tokyo seems OK most of the time once you get out of that snarl.You might think about grabbing the Joban line out of Arakawaoki or even a Super Hitachi out of Tsuchiura to get into town if you've got a car in Tsukuba. Otherwise, it's a hassle to get to Arakawaoki or Tsuchiura stations unless you want to pay for a taxi or ask a friend for a ride since everyone who lives in Tsukuba seems to have a car.
Woody For Asians
03-05-04, 14:06
Japan,1. In general, Japan is safe. I have never had a problem with my wallet and other valuables. I would use extra caution in the Chinese- and Korean-operated places however. I suspect the place you visited may have been a Chinese operation. 2. In my experience, in Japanese establishments, it is not common to increase the price beyond what was originally agreed. Ordinarily, everything is laid out clearly on a system menu and everything is explained. I visited a Chinese massage place in Kabuki-cho last year that matched your experience, although I think my total was only about 16K. They wanted to charge extra for everything and kept changing as negotiations went on. It was like ordering a sandwich from Subway (I refuse to eat at places that involve more than a dozen decisions) except even more complicated. 2,000 yen more to choose the girl from a photo album, 15% more for a credit card fee, etc., etc. Then when I eventually got the charge she had added more for some other items I didn't understand. The girl was pretty but all I received was a clumsy hand job even though I had been promised a "body massage" by the woman at the front desk. I don't plan to return. 3. I think the love hotels have a 2-tiered pricing structure, "rest" and "stay." "Rest" is an hour or two. "Stay" is all night but you must check in later in the evening, I believe after 11 P.M. I don't think you can reserve multiple consecutive nights at a love hotel, or make any reservations at all for that matter; you just show up and it's first come, first served for the rooms. For multiple nights you will have to leave and check in again each night (after 11 P.M.). Most love hotels have the system clearly labeled on the sign boards outside or in their lobby.4. Never been to Tsukuba and I don't know anything about the nightlife, but next time you come to Tokyo try taking the train vs. the bus. I expect it will be much faster. Looks like the JR Joban line express is 40 minutes from Tsuchiura station to Ueno. At Ueno transfer to the JR Yamanote line and go to Shinjuku, which will take about another 20 minutes. Just make sure that if you want to get back to Tsukuba that evening you leave in time to get home before the trains stop.
Hello - A japanese website translation tip:Just paste the following jscript into your browser, then drag to the 'links' bar. Then, whenever you want a rough translation of a japanese webpage, simply hit this 'link'. It will load the page into the Babelfish translator automatically.javascript:void(location ='http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?lp=ja_en&url=' +escape(location.href))Note: you might have to paste it into notepad first, then copy to your browser.
Japan,Your experience in Kabuki-cho sounds like some similar experiences that I have had there at Chinese/Korean massage parlors. It sounds fairly typical. I have had the mama-san do the haggling with me, or I have had the girl do it, if she spoke English well enough. Those places are hit or miss. I have had very good times, and rather mediocre and lackluster times. You might want to check out Hino Maru (see many posts on this board on the subject). It is located behind the Korma theatre.
4. Does anyone know if there are any escorts, pink salons, or other venues in Tsukuba? (Or, at least closer to the Tsukuba area than downtown Tokyo?) It is a LONG bus ride down there, especially on weekdays, when the traffic is awful!I have been to Tsukuba many times. I don't think there is much in the way of mongering there, at least not that I have found. However, there are some places in Tsuchiura, not far from the train station (search this board for posts), though I have not visited them personally.As for the bus vs. the train. I have used both from Tsukuba to Tokyo. The train is faster and more comfortable, but if you add in the time and cost to get from Tsukuba to Tsuchiura, the bus is often comparable. I usually stay in Tsukuba Center, very close to the bus station, and so the bus is very convenient. Some of the buses make fewer stops than others, too.Please post your reports, especially if you find anything in Tsukuba or Tsuchiura.Have fun!V.
Soujourn,Thanks for the website translation tip. It works great in Netscape and Mozilla, too. You just need to create a bookmark manually and then hit the bookmark when you're on the Japanese page.
Viagrant,I've stayed in Tsukuba many times, probably at the same place(s) you have (Dai Ichi and Grand Shinonome) and there seemed to be a real lack of mongering places in and around the area behind the city center where all of the restaurants are near the old Expo center area. I think Tsuchiura is probably going to be a better choice but I've never explored the mongering but my friends and co-workers have told me of their soapland experiences near the station. What Tsukuba does have is a ton of love hotels (motels, actually, because everyone has a car there) all over the place.
Thanks for your help!Viagrant, I will check out the area in Tsuchiara that you mentioned! Is there any specific place there that will accept a greenhorn Gaigin like me, with almost no Japanese? Today I passed a place in Tsukuba called the Philippines Show Bar. Does anyone know anything about it? It seems the admission is 4-5K. I think its a strip club, but I'm not sure. What kind of action can one expect in a place like that? Is there any possibility for FS in the strip clubs, for a gaijin with almost no Japanese? In general, is FS available in the strip clubs, and if so for how much?
Hello everyone!I am new to this board. But I quickly made this site one of my favorites hehe. I heard of this one place in Tokyo thats an Escort service "Asian Typhoon" the # is 070-5369-8563/03-3410-5661. If anyone has tried it or can give it a go, please let me know how they are?
Homer69,
I've stayed in Tsukuba many times, probably at the same place(s) you have (Dai Ichi and Grand Shinonome) and there seemed to be a real lack of mongering places in and around the area behind the city center where all of the restaurants are near the old Expo center area. I think Tsuchiura is probably going to be a better choice but I've never explored the mongering but my friends and co-workers have told me of their soapland experiences near the station. What Tsukuba does have is a ton of love hotels (motels, actually, because everyone has a car there) all over the place.I have stayed at the old Dai-Ichi hotel (now the Okura hotel). I agree that there seems to be a lack of mongering places in Tsukuba, though I, too, have noticed many Love Hotels in Tsukuba, so something must be going on (just not for gaijin?).I have only visited Soaplands in Yoshiwara in Tokyo. If you visit a soapland in Tsuchiura, please post.V.
A publication detailing the opportunities for paid sex was published a few years ago - maybe called "THE TOKYO PINK GUIDE". Does anyone know where I can get a copy?What information does it contain?
The Tokyo Pink Guide is pretty dated and out of print. Used copies are hard to come by and Amazon has a few starting at US$50 or so. It's pretty interesting reading and even mentions Hinomaru but most of it is not applicable to today's scene. I don't think no-pants-shabu-shabu caberets are popular today, if they even exist, for instance. It gives a view from the end of the bubble (very early 1990's).It was published by Tuttle and you might be able to find a used copy in Jimbocho. I haven't been to Jimbocho in a few months but there are some places there that might have a copy.
Dogz,The Tokyo Pink Guide can be found be searching used book sites on the web, including Amazon. Just type used books in the search bar. However, the prices being asked are rather high, ie. $200. I found one on Amazon for $50.Someone stole mine but never mind.Although it is interesting to read it is way out of date. Almost every named establishment mentioned is no longer open. I have been thinking of rewriting it and bringing it up to date but I'm not sure my writing skills are up to it. If any members are interested in a joint project such as this let me know.Max
HI all,Went to Nishikawaguchi on Sunday for the first time. Only curiousity brought me there but found the place quite gaijin friendly. Lost of Pink Salons, Helath Club (with foreigner girls as well), and soaplands.I went to Soxnine and had Hibiki. She is a little bit on the weigh but gave a great service: good BBBJ and a short 10min FS session. GFE and nice voice (which makes her sexier!) http://www.uselovers.com/soxnine/top.html 14K for 30 min but 12K with the coupon.I have been many times asked to get in the shops and even two soaplands. Coming back, I checked the URL of the soaplands and they look quite ok.http://www.sekitei.com/index2.htmlhttp://www.soap-silkroad.com/Definitely gaijin friendly if you look good (well-dressed etc.)Went for nampa on Fri night to Motown but missed! My nampa technique needs improvement. Anybody in his 20s or early 30s for a nampa action?Is it better to start talking in Japanese or English. Actually, my Japanese is better than my English so I always start in Japanese but I think those girls are looking for some kind of English lessons.Anyway, Nishikawaguchi seems a nice place. It used not to have a nice image but I heard it changed a lot.Happy hunting!
I checked out the SW action by the hospital in shinjuku. Some very interesting looking transvesties there and other sw's of all ages. I was wondering about the quality of the younger ones. Anybody try them out? A couple of them looked half decent, but Im a bit skeptical of SWs.Also, anyone know anything about Kinschicho? I saw several shops there.
Fishmonger
03-10-04, 07:32
Homer, Viagrant et al ... wow, you guys talking about Tsukuba and Tsuchiura are in Fishmonger's backyard! Let me reaffirm your suspicions - Tsukuba is a barren wasteland as far as mongering goes. There are a few Korean estes, but they are few and far between and only accessible by car. There are many hostess bars, but you won't get anything more than the company of some so-so looking girls and all the whiskey you can drink. The Philipino places are no different .... they can be fun if you want to sing karaoke with some moderately cute girls, but as far as mongering - forget about it.The real action is in Tsuchiura. I think it may have the biggest red-light district in Ibaraki prefecture. Everything from massage estes, to BJ bars, to fashion healths to soaps can be found near Tsuchiura station. I think the area is called Sakura machi. I would say the best value for your money can be had in the the fashion healths. I recommend one called "nurse tengoku". Everytime I have been there the girls have been cute, young, slender, and the service was great. The seem to specialize in slender small breasted girls, but that suits me fine. I remember one girl in particular I had there ... she said she was nineteen, but I think she may have actually been sixteem
or seventeen. She was about 4' 9", had a really pretty baby face and she had cutest little body. Her breasts were just beginning to bloom if you know what I mean, and every inch of her was so smooth. I still remember how GOOD her pussy tasted - like a ripe juicy peach! I shot my load while doing 69 with her. The 40 min. course there is something like 9,000 yen, and includes assisted shower before and after the deed, full body kissing, BBBJ, ass rim, 69 or sumata to completion. The at the door just asks if you can speak Japanese, and if you say something like "daijyoubu" he will let you in, at least it works for me. Other places though can be tough, I really wanted to tryout "Splash" soapland in Tsuchiura, but they shot me down badly. BJ bars can be hit and miss, if one turns me down I go to the one next door. There is usually a tout hanging around on the street there for a low-end soap called "Banana boat", I have tried it a couple times. The deal there is 2 man en, and the service is typical soapland service, I think for one hour. It would be great, but the girls are pretty much dogs, I'd say rating around 4 to 5. I'd rate the girls at "nurse tengoku" about 8 to 9, so for my money the fashion health is the better deal. There are also some Chinese estes around, but they offer at most a CBJ, so I think they are not worth bothering with.Sorry for the long, rambling post, but I thought I had better post some actual information to justify my "senior member" status ;-)Fishmonger
fishmonger,Thanks for the report on Tsuchiura. I would like to check out "nurse tengoku" the next time I am in the area. Can you give any details on how to locate this place?As for Tsukuba, I have been to a couple hostess bars, and I agree that they are fun for some drinking, flirting, and karaoke, but nothing much else.V.
Hello! Hinomaru update - I went to Shinjuku Hinomaru and visited to Kaori. Another nice experience! It really helps at these places to pick the girl and pay the extra 1000. Get a ticket for discount on their website at http://www.hinomarukanko.com I won't say details of visit, but it was completely satisfying in all regards.Also - I notice they have an Ikebukuro location. It should be easy to find. West exit of JR then walk on the street to 0101 City store. Turn right then go a block or so. Has anyone tried? The girl selection looks alot better than the Shinjuku location.Cheers!
Fishmonger
03-11-04, 06:58
Viagrant - it would be a bit difficult to explain how to find Nurse Tengoku from the station, so I tried to find their website and post the address here, but it seems that it is no longer listed on a "fuuzoku" Japanese language page I sometimes use to find places. I haven't been there in a while so maybe they have gone bust. Anyway, here is the website of another fashion health place in Tsuchiura that looks pretty good. It is in the same area as Nurse Tengoku is (was?). If I have some free time I will try to check it out.http://j-links.fureai.or.jp/parapara/home.html
Cool http://www.hinomarukanko.com I did not know they had a webiste, unfortunately no pics of the gilrs, just some drawings.Does anyone know if Mina still works there ?
Does anyone know Maximum? It is a delivery service. I got their card in my mailbox. They have a shop in Akasaka, Roppongi, Saitama and Ginza. Everything is written in both Japanese and English so I guess it is OK for gaijin. Their number is 048-731-4567, I guess it is in Saitama. 23K for 70 min (plus transportation).If somebody used Maximum, thank you for reporting!
Does anyone have email or Keitai # for someone's service in Hakata. Prefer independant.I know this is the Tokyo board but it also gets the most action.RegardsEn~
an off topic question,why is it that when i watch japanese porn, the woman have "high pitched' voices?.at times i get a laugh.it's like chalk scraping against the chalkboard.anyone wanna chime in on this?this is not to bash japansese women of course.
Rene02,No Mina listed on the Hinamaru website for either Shinjuku or Ikebukuro, so maybe she has moved on.
Ralph Kramden
03-13-04, 01:49
Meat ManPerhaps the producers encourage the girls to do it. To me the "high pitched voice" is a sign of the still socially accepted practice of Japanese women being at the service, beck and call of Japanese men. But I am sure there are other reasons for it. If anyone can explain those, then please do so. In public it depends on the mentality of the woman. It is not uncommon to hear it from about any age woman.
I was able to get FS at Nippori's Paradise Korean este. After a few visits with Naomi, a short slightly chubby cute Korean girl and paying a total of 13,000 (10k at the door and 3k to her for Sumata) After a few visits of pure Sumata, on the 3rd visit she allowed full penetration with her on top- but she had to be real quiet, I don't know if that kind of stuff was allowed there or not.Whats more, it was Fs with no condom! Makes me a bit nervous but she doesn't seem tha used to me.If you become a regular customer, some of these girls will go all the way.
Hello Everyone,I am a new monger/member. Anyway. I was wondering about Tokyo. Particularly Shinagawa, and Hatanodai.I travel there often and I heard about some really sexy hot Filipinas in this area. A friend of mine told me there are some but I am not sure if this is true or just old info. Can anyone recommend and Filipina SW's or area like a bar or places these girls might frequent.He heard of a few that work near or around Shinagawa Prince Hotel, offer a super BBBJ. Apparently one he named as Rose, and another was Aida, but I am not sure. I guess I have a soft spot (or a hard one,) in my heart for them Filipinas. Thanks for your help
DogJamm,I'm not sure if I would want that kind of FS. It sounds like Naomi did it on the spur of the moment and it's not part of the store's policy given she didn't even put on a raincoat. The shopmaster told me in no uncertain terms on my first visit there that there was no FS and that was that. Anyway, in intersting store, nonetheless. I guess I need to bring my own protection in the future, just in case...
I hear you homer. Unprotected worries me a bit so if it happens again Ill bring my own. It's also not on the cheap side either. If some of the more attractive girls there did it it might be more worth it.
Terax13:I've spent quite a bit of time in the area around Shinagawa Station (both sides, before and after the remodeling, including just a few days ago) and I have not seen any mongering areas or SW to speak of, but then I'm not looking for that sort of thing in that area. There are some hostess clubs on the east side of the station but nothing but hotels, restaurants and Sony on the west side. Maybe somebody else knows better but I would say that Shinagawa is a mongering wasteland, with the possible exception of the restaurant and club area on the east side. That area is getting quite a bit of development now because of the new bullet train stop there but I'd be really surprised if there were any hot spots around that area.As for Hatanodai, I can't really help you there, given that I rarely use those Tokyu lines.
Soujourn,Thanks for the information on Hinomaru's web site. I didn't even know they had one. Too bad much of the Japanese is not in text format on that site, and therefore cannot be translated (but enough can that I found the coupon).By the way, you wrote:
Also - I notice they have an Ikebukuro location. It should be easy to find. West exit of JR then walk on the street to 0101 City store. Turn right then go a block or so. Has anyone tried? The girl selection looks alot better than the Shinjuku location.How do you know the girl selection looks better? The web site seems to have artist's renderings of the girls instead of photos.V.
Thanks for your help and the advice on Tsuchiura, guys! I went there last Friday, late afternoon. It looked pretty dead, but it was early. I walked around and was approached by a guy working for a soapland called Prin Prin. (The name was on the building in Katakana.) He spoke no English, and I, virtually no Japanese. But we agreed somehow that I would take a girl sight unseen for 20K for 1 hour. I got a girl named Tomo. Again, I spoke no Japanese, and she, no English. Nevertheless, we managed to communicate anyway. She was very shy at first. I had the full soap routine, ending with a nice cock and ball massage. At first she was very reluctant to DFK, but I gently perservered, and got her to do it a bit--especially during the main event. She gave me a nice BBBJ, provided great DATY, and covered full service. I had a second pop with BBBJTC, but she pulled it out at the last minute. Very nice, still. She is a very sweet girl. She has a cute face--much better than the pictures, I think. Her body was very much to my liking, a bit thick in places, but I like that. She has small but cute tits, and a very tasty, sweet pussy! Highly recommended! She gave me her card with the website, which is www.prin2.com. She is the covergirl with the bunny ears, there are also more pics of her on the website.Has anyone had any experience with this place before, or with any of their other girls? Some others on the website look cute, and I'm thinking of trying them.
Well done on the Tsuchiura soap. The website offers a coupon for Y2,000 off, meaning the total is just Y18,000 for 70 with 2 pops-pretty reasonable.This is a obviously a case of FS being included in the posted price, despite the illegality. Other soaps make it a bit more challenging, with an entrance fee of 5-10,000, after which you need to ask questions to find your real total price.
Fishmonger
03-17-04, 06:13
Japan - glad you had a nice time at the Tsuchiura soap. The few times I have gone to soaps there I always thought the service and price were good, but I just wasn't happy with the girls I got. Sounds like you found a good one though. Maybe I'lll check out "prin-prin" sometime soon ;-)
Party in Tokyo?I'll be coming to Tokyo next week. Some time ago there were several posts about parties. This sounded like something I would like to try. Does anybody know about any good parties in the period March 23-29 or would somebody we willing to take me along to one?Also, I want to thank all you guys for all the good information you have posted here. I promise to post my experiences like I did last year in the Osaka forum. I intend to try mainly nampa though.Best wishes, Uwe
Failed experience at Nishi-Kawaguchi. I went up there to check out the place. Was looking for that sox nine place, but I got an offer for FS for 10,000 yen from a tout in front of his shop. I'm not sure what kind of place it was, definitely not a soapland, kind of just a massage place fronting for a brothel. There was no massage, just fs. Unfortunately, I think some places save the ugliest girl for the foreigners. This girl was nice enough, but was missing 1 front tooth and was skinny like a crack *****. I went through with it and chalked it down as a learning experience.Anyway watch out for promises for FS at that price. Insist on seeing the girl first. I'll check out the soaplands there next time, and I'll make sureI don't get side tracked!
DogJamm:Sorry about Nishi-Kawaguchi. Is it possible or practical to see the girl first? That's the problem with touts out on the street. They'll tell you anything to get you in the place and the best I've been able to do was see a picture of questionable accuracy. Ugly does not necessarily mean bad, especially when you mention that she's nice enough. Missing the tooth is a little scary but one of my best experiences was with this rather overweight, ugly girl who was dynamite with her technique and function. One of my least pleasurable experiences was with this beautiful girl who somewhat looked like Norika Fujiwara in terms of sexiness and beauty and she had an absolute perfectly sculpted body to boot. She was a disappointment in the sack. That's what so memorable about her. A good friend of mine mentioned the same thing in his experience with her. Perfect body, beautiful face and figure but terrible in the sack. It's as if all the parts didn't fit together correctly or something. I can't explain it any other way.I plan to make it up there one of these days when I recharge my wallet a bit. Can you give some basics about the area, the layout, proximity to the station, etc.? Also, if you're gaijin, the language requirements and gaijin-friendliness of any places you go to.
Japan,Thank you for the information on the Prin Prin Soapland in Tsuchiura! The prices sound great (half the price of Tokyo soaps). The girls look slightly less pretty than those in Tokyo, but still decent. Any idea if there is an extra fee for picking a girl by name (or from picture)?Also, to anyone who can read Japanese, on that web site ( http://www.prin2.com ) there is a map, but can someone confirm that the top of that map is North and that the dashed section on the right edge is the train station?Thanks,V.
Viagrant,Not sure which end is north, but that's the station on the right, as you supposed. And the line at the bottom is the river. Hopefully that will be enough to get you oriented. Good luck!Sho
That is a JR station on the right side of the map. Don't know if up is North.
Hi,The train line runs in a north easterly direction going away from Tokyo, so for all intents and purposes the train is going north. So if you get off the train coming from Tokyo, face the direction the train is traveling and head towards your left. Of course, do the opposite if coming from Mito on the Joban line.With the rest of the information provided I hope we have cleared this up sufficiently.Have fun.
Viagrant:Check out: http://map.yahoo.co.jp/pl?nl=36.4.30.614&el=140.11.55.035&la=1&sc=4&CE.x=252&CE.y=247The crosshairs should be in the vicinity of PrinPrin if I read their map correctly. The top of the map appears to be North-North-West in orientation.
Homer,There are lots of este and other shops in Nishi Kawaguchi. I belive it's all on the west side of the station, just take the west exit and wander around, you'll see several shops. Or check out that sox nine post from last week, theres a decent map on it. As far as knowing Japanese goes, I'm not sure since I spoke Japanese but that did not seem to be an issue. He was very eager to get my money. I suppose if you were able to communicate that you wanted to see the girl first, it may be possible, but I think they were just showing photos -- the girl I got was not nearly as cute as the girls in the photos.Next time I'll ask to see her first.
Gents,Had a nice time at Trinity, a Korean este in Otsuka last evening. http://www.paradise-bb.com/trinity/index2.html. 16,000 for 80 minutes, including table shower, hot towels, full body massage, ass-rimming, BBBJ and sumatra to climax. My partner was Nana, who just arrived from Seoul a month ago. I enjoy chatting with the girls but Nana's Japanese was pretty limited and English nonexistent, and she has a heavy accent, so it was hard to get much going in the way of non-physical communication. But she had a nice friendly attitude, and even gave me a manicure and pedicure, plus deep facial massage toward the end of the session.About a three minute walk from the North exit of Otsuka Station, on the third floor above a Matsuya. Basic Japanese ability required to negotiate with the guy at the front desk. One hour course also available for 12,000 yen.Sho
Super6stud9
03-20-04, 05:00
GAIGIN ENTRANCE.I have some questions for the gaigin experts.What is the main reason why you are not allowed into the clubs??I am talking about the Clubs that have the 19yo's like this club here http://www.fuzoku-townpage.com/d/m-heaven/20031127230208.htm#Is it because the girls think you are big?Is it because you are another race? Do they stop White/Black only/ Is this only against Americans(because of WWii and the nuke thing, or Is it also against Europeans?(I've seen many French with Japanese girlfriends/wives)What about other Asians??Is it because Japanese think you are full of diseases?I have a scheme to try to get into the clubs. I won't reveal it here til I try it. I've been told I look Japanase(I am not), not by a stretch of a imagination.Begging for pussy is not my style, I've to Asia before, but The more I look at the Fuzoku page the more I want to go to Japan now. Those girls look like they must have the tighest holes on earth, Am I correct??Are there any escort websites where you can order Japanese girls to come to your hotel? Can you post??PM's if you don't feel like answering in the forum.I will share info on other locations(many) if you ask.Sayonara!
Superstud,Lots of non-asians like to think it's because they are 'too big'. This could be true but thats not why they don't want to serve foreigners. I believe it's mainly racial. Anyone non Japanese would have trouble getting served. Of course some accept asians and not non-whites (in Korea for example) but Japan is generally very not foreigner friendly. Maybe it's because most shops have no trouble getting customers. I bet Japanese men spend the most or close to the most money on sex in the entire world. On another note, I tried out a chinese este in Otsuka, called 'Love Game'. Girl had a cute face and average body. Got a real nice shower, massage, bbbj and fs. Price was 9k. Not a bad deal. I asked if they would accept foreigners and they said no problem, just no Chinese because the girls are chinese and they'd rather not meet people from their own country. Also I think it could matter, for example if there were Japanese guys in the waiting room and if a white guy came in that might scare them a bit. At that point they might reject you. Just a thought.url is http://www.a-side.com/lovegame/Not bad for 9k, if you are interested in chinese estes. Note that the photos are brushed up quite a bit.
Traveler X
03-20-04, 20:32
Hi superstud,I've been rejected from about 40 clubs in my Japan experience, and got in to a few. I'm Asian American but I don't think it made much difference (for getting rejected). No one would doubt I was Japanese if I could speak it with no accent, but it's clear that I'm not when I open my mouth. I speak some Japanese and know several Japanese friends, and my insight is that clubs don't let gaijin in for many reasons. But first, here are some situations where clubs do let gaijin in, even if they normally don't:1) Business is low, and some girls in the club will service gaijin. (only applies to some clubs)2) You are dressed decently and speak some Japanese. You look like you won't cause trouble, and that you can follow simple rules. (only applies to some clubs)Now as for the reasons why they reject gaijin, many of them make sense in that a small minority of gaijin completely ruined it for the rest of us. Keep in mind the average Japanese hasn't seen enough gaijin to recognize which ones are the troublemakers. If I ran a club, I'd instantly know which gaijin to let in and which ones are going to ruin my club. Now here are the reasons I've noticed:1) Some gaijin can't understand or follow important rules. For example, how the drink system works at a hostess bar, or how not to break simple rules which are clearly displayed in English. I can't see most Americans breaking these rules, but I know a few Americans who would and would start a fight in a club. Suppose we're talking about rules at a strip club on where you can touch the girl or what you can do with her. Now at an American club, they have a bouncer that just warns the girl, cuz we all know the girls are supposed to break the rules. At a Japanese club, the rules are precisely the rules.2) Some gaijin are noisy and bothersome, by Japanese standards. I found myself in subways rummaging through my backpack and then quieting myself when I realized I was noisier than everyone else combined. =)3) Other Japanese don't want to frequent a club where they get sloppy seconds from Americans. I could care less if I were Japanese, but I know many Americans wouldn't choose a club if most of the clientele were Japanese enjoying 'their' women. As a business owner of a club, you have to keep in mind that some of your customers are going to be racists. =P If American businesses were allowed to be racist (whether legal or through lack of enforcement), you bet they'd start turning back the clocks in an instant. I've noticedd that race or gender does matter when people look for a roommate for an apartment. And those roommate-finders have the same legal standing to discriminate in the US as a Japanese bar does in Japan (both illegal, but almost never enforced).4) The girls won't service Americans, out of personal misconceptions, preferences, or fears. As an Asian American, I can say this is no different than the United States, some caucasian women like asians, some don't at all. Of course, I'm happy to service any woman provided she is up to par, but many Americans and Japanese have strongly programmed prejudices when it comes to servicing each other.5) There is some concern of diseases, but this is more an afterthought in light of the reasons above.I doubt WW2 is any significant factor, because most people in their 20's don't even know who WW2 was fought with or who won. This is a fact, as demonstrated by one study that found most Japanese youths did not know who won WW2. It's evident in the fact that many textbooks mention WW2 in a few sentences. And moreover, more Japanese than not have a positive impression of Americans in general. That still doesn't mean they want their women to service us.Almost all the clubs I was rejected from would not have allowed Europeans either, especially if they couldn't speak Japanese or English. I've seen and met an inordinate number of Americans with Japanese wives in Japan, both white and black, so I don't know what part of Japan you were walking around.If you have a scheme that will work without embarrassing you or the rest of us, that's great. Or maybe you could have a Japanese friend bring you in. Or you could find a club that will let you in anyways, and go in. Do you speak any Chinese or Korean? If so, you can get into those clubs and get serviced by those girls much easier.I'll be in Japan in a few weeks, so I'm going to try again now that my Japanese is better and I have an idea of what clubs to look for.
Traveler X
03-20-04, 20:47
PS. A lot more could be said about why the women working at clubs won't service Americans. I'm only going to offer a few suggestions based on my conversations with them:a) They can't communicate with you sufficiently. It's more work for them to get your money. They know they can eat up some people's time by just talking with them, but now they have to put out for you because they can't have convo with you. Japanese customers are easier money at times.b) Because they can't communicate with you well, you two remain strangers and it might be uncomfortable. Girls in clubs Japanese and American don't want to service customers they can't be friendly and smalltalk with. If you can talk with them just a little and show them you're not a psycho, it goes a long way.c) It's a crapshoot for them. They don't know what you look like until they sit down with you. They're already taking that crapshoot with Japanese customers, who they understand and communicate with, they don't want to play a second defensive game with a few Americans.d) If we're talking about soaplands, some Americans have huge cocks, more frequently than Japanese. This is a simple fact demonstrated by the size of condoms in each country. These women want to keep their pussies tight as long as possible, to save them for me. I respect these hard working and prudent businesswomen for that sentiment.Of course, some places will accept gaijin, so we should just go there and make them profitable and expand the market. Let's not blame the Japanese for being afraid of our huge pussy stretching cocks, and focus on helping each other find the places that will let their women service us.Traveler X
Super6:Re: GaijinThere are two principal reasons that I've gathered in my conversations with many Japanese friends and co-workers why gaijin are restricted from clubs.1. Contamination.2. Language and cultural barrier.The contamination factor comes from Japan being a homogeneous society with very little genetic mixing. Most Japanese men do not want to pay for services with Japanese ladies who service foreigners. It's human nature to be averse to things you're not familiar or comfortable with and Japanese are no different. This is not going to change so there's no use in getting mad about it. Just work with the system and deal with it.The language and cultural barrier is also quite relevant. As a visitor, who is usually treated quite well, much better than the average Japanese, some may come to expect this sort of treatment all the time. Once you become a resident and "one of them" everything changes and you're no longer treated with the same sort of novelty and respect that you get when you first arrive. I think every gaijin resident in Japan experiences this. You can learn the language and the culture but you're still not Japanese. You may be really engrained into the society but you are still an outsider. Unless you have a special introduction with the shopmaster, you're not going to have much luck with cold calls, in my experience. I got into one high class place once because a Japanese friend of mine brought me there and set everything up. Without that intro I had no chance to even look inside the door.Instead, it's probably more practical to focus on what can be had instead of what can't. If you try to force the issue at these places, you just make it worse for everybody else. The Korean massage parlors, booths at Koganecho, gaijin-friendly pink salons in Shibuya and Shinjuku and other gaijin-friendly places mentioned in this forum should be more than enough for most mongerers.
Traveler X -- I disagree. As a resident of Japan for more than 2 years I have a farily well founded experience of acceptance/rejection in Japanese clubs.1) Communication - of course this is important when using clubs that specialize in more vebal interaction like image or SM. But how much small talk is required or even initiated for Pink Salon, Esute or Health? Just a few words is generally enough in ANY country OTHER than Japan to gain entrance and enjoy.2) Cock size/pussy size. First - there's no way a cock can permanently stretch a pussy. It's biologically impossible. If it was then your whole body would be sagging from non-resilient tissue(s). Secondly, The size of a woman does not necessarily indicate the inherent length of her pussy. I've fucked hundreds of women around the world (I'm sure I'm not the only monger with a decent statistical sample) and found small women with loose pussies and large women with tight ones. And in Japan, the same! I have a regular freebie that is super petite, less than 40kg and 155cm, but can 'handle' my <monster> gaijin cock easily. In fact she loves it deep as can be! My other regular who is swedish and much taller, larger in every sense, complains if I do her from behind because I bottom out!3) Every Japanese woman I have been with has not been astounded by my penis size. They really don't care so much. They are more interested in the size of my nose! So let's throw away the cock size/pussy size argument. The only people here concerned about that are Japanese MEN!4) Remember - entrance to the club is determined by the MEN who OWN the club. Not the women who work there. If you visit any club that denies your entrance, you will notice you are denied at the counter! Not by ANY women who are actually doing the deeds.5) Japan is the most homogeneous country in the world with over 95% of Japanese living IN Japan! It is racist and segregationist. In fact even the Ministry of Government Homepage has a special form for Japanese to inform on irritating foreigners they suspect. As a gaijin you are simply not welcome here. You are tolerated out of necessity. Of course there are exceptions to the rule, but this is the general feeling and it plays even harder in more personal venues such as sex industry. Think about it - even when Japanese live as U.S. citizens, IN the U.S., they refer to their neighbors and friends who are non-Japanese as gaijin. And whenever they say about travel to Japan, it's ALWAYS using the word for RETURN to home. And when they actually return to their country of citizenship (U.S.) AND real home, they use the word for travelling AWAY! This is not my casual observation, I listen closely to how Japanese speak whenever I'm away from Japan and I have heard this similar conversation many, many times.6) How TO get into clubs: A) Dress well - almost every Japanese guy will be wearing his salarysuit - your chances improve when you are not the nail that sticks up [sic]. B) Speak some Japanese to increase the comfort level C) Go with a Japanese friend. If you notice - many Japanese men go together in these clubs. Men who go to these clubs alone are considered a bit 'sukebe' or perverted - but men together are seen as a bonding group or normal. And of course if you go with a Japanese guy, he will vouch for you and explain that you are OK. D) Learn the system and rules. Also, learn about the protocol of just being in ANY Japanese space. Shoe placement, slippers, bowing, polite words, etc. Japanese culture depends on everyone expecting the same from everyone else.Ganbatte!
Yesterday, walking around Kabukicho at 5 PM, was approached by an older Australian sounding tout who offered university age J girls for 1.5 man one hr, FS. I was late for an appointment so declined but everything sounded good. Even offered for me to look first and come back later. Said he would be there this weekend.Take exit 13 from Marunochi line, when you reach street, looking toward "My City" go right and then next right (down slope) and go one block across main street, past fruit shop and then one more block. Has anyone had any luck with these types of arrangements?
NorthSeattle
03-21-04, 05:16
Since I'm considered by some to be a old Asian hand I'll try to explain about the behavior of the Ladies toward all Westerners and actually anyone not Japanese.There is no place that's more ethnically BIGOT orientated then Japan. Even Korean or Chinese living in Japan for several hundred years are considered second hand citizens.Many Japanese Restaurants, Clubs, Entertainment Business and especially Prostitutes won't do business with anybody except Japanese. It's generally a matter of Face or Pride, doesn't make sense to anyone but the providers, or even Management.This is starting to change, especially as woman become more adventuresome, independent or experimental. There are even Woman operating or doing business independently during the last few years. There are even several places that arrange meeting for married woman interested in experimenting where they charge both sides for their service. Any half way attractive foreigner that speaks the language will be hit on often at Mall's or Department stores, where he'll get the chance to screw his brains out at a short time hotel.Believe me it's not your size, as any Woman can accommodate the majority of men. It's mostly the shape of your eyes and that your not a native. Also believe it or not but Japanese men often Pay more then Foreigners, as they are suckers for getting whatever costs more, thinking it's better and providers are aware of this situation. Remember any "Geisha" costs exorbitant prices by any standards without any guarantees.The less on the ball providers suffer from the misconception that they will enhance their value by not accommodating foreigners, even thinking that they will become soiled by doing the deed.Those that do take the step find that it's more fun and overall they are much more happy and better adjusted and bring in more talent in the long run.North Seattle
Soujourn:Re: Gaijin AcceptanceYou hit the nail on the head in every respect! I really didn't want to get into the racist thing too much but it's a fact of life. I've been in Japan on and off for over ten years now and it's really a wonderful place when you start figuring out all of the rules (yes means no, for instance) and figure out some of the subtleties like never talking straight to the point, saving face, not making too much noise (except those silly school girls in sailor suits on the trains who seem to jabber and laugh so obnoxiously), and letting things slide when they don't go your way.There's a lot of very positive things about this place and one of them is the practical attitude towards sex. One of the things that I don't like are gaijin horror stories of some idiot gaijin getting out of line and ruining it for all of us. That's where a lot of those silly rules and rejections come from, experiences that were unpleasant.When you say, "As a gaijin you are simply not welcome here. You are tolerated out of necessity," it really says it all and when gaijin get this idea that they are owed a favor is when the trouble usually starts.I think your point about the way Japanese away from Japan talk about "home" and "going away" when they are actually going to the place of their naturalized citizenship or permanent residence is absolutely right.
Today around 3 pm I visited the Ikebukuro branch of Hinomaru. It is quite easy to find. From Ikebukuro station, take the west exit and go into the main street staight ahead (it has a McDonald's at the right corner).Continue a few blocks until you see the OICITY department store on your left and a Daiwa Securities branch on your right. Make a right immediately past Daiwa. Hinomaru is on the left at the end of the first block. Take the stairs down to B2F.I was greeted very politely and got a 2000 yen discount using the coupon found online at www.hinomarukanko.com, thus paying 6000 yen (which includes a beer or two). I found the atmosphere inside pleasant, more spacious and open than Seiki 21. However, the girl was a bit of a disappointment - not a very good looker and somewhat smelly.After a very cursory cleanup (much less than at Seiki), she started a CBJ, which was rather good, but definitely no GFE (too mechanical).I will probably try it again, but would opt for a different girl.
Traveler X
03-21-04, 14:25
Hi Sojourn,Thanks for the reply, it helps to have a second insight into these points.1) I did have a good amount of smalltalk at various clubs. I've found from American clubs that it's very important in order to get both people relaxed, and I've been told as much by professionals. This is just my experience and observation.2) I completely agree with you. I don't think my post was really saying any of the points you were addressing. I hope you'll see some of my comments were really tongue in cheek observations, and that the only point I was really making was that there is in fact a very real cock gap.3) I have met Japanese women who were curious and surprised by the difference. My real point was really that the workers are afraid of the unknown, whatever that may be. Some of these workers haven't met many Americans. I know when I was in Japan, I was the first American for many Japanese, although this was partly because I don't like tourist areas (except when the sun sets!).Where I live in the US, we don't have such a problem with racism because the average person here has seen many Asians. But when you arrive at the wrong part of the country, the Americans in some places are exactly as racist segregationist as the Japanese, to the point of being physically threatening. My cousin was spit at by people in one place (thinking he was a "damn Jap") because of ill feelings from WW2. Too bad those people don't know the war is over and he wasn't Japanese. Which is probably why they still live in that part of the country to begin with. ;-)4) I am aware it is the men doing the rejection, when you are rejected from the club itself. However, I noticed that at certain clubs that did let me in, only some women were willing to take gaijin (and the man in front knew who they were). So in fact, it is a combination of the club and the women rejecting gaijin. I can confirm this firsthand on more than one occasion. Even when the man at the door lets me in, my choice may still be further limited by the women's own policies.5) My experience is very different than this. In most cities (as opposed to Tokyo), people went out of their way to help me constantly. I was treated well by most strangers (far more than I'd expect in the states), and had no trouble fitting in in any area except the RLD. Tokyo is notoriously different, because that's how they treat everyone. I know many friends who moved from Osaka to Tokyo only to be shocked at how cold people were, not even giving directions. It's no different than any other super-sized city like New York where they couldn't care less about the next person. It was honestly a night and day difference for me, because I spent most of my time in other cities.I have long been aware of your observations on Japanese and their way of thinking, but I wouldn't draw too many deep conclusions based on language and differences in expression. English and Western culture have the very same kind of problems in different areas. We use he when we really mean "he/she" (as do a ton of languages), we say delivery man instead of "delivery person". But it would be excessive to say that this means all English speakers are obsessed sexists. Yet liberal extremists have made that exact argument and then some.The US government has one-upped the Japanese, they actually have a network of informants now to report suspicious foreigners (read Muslims and Arabs). Worse can be said for most countries in the world.I've noticed that many people either have very positive or very negative impressions of Japanese and how they behave as a whole. While the Japanese may have certain ways of thinking that are more extreme than Westerners, I have yet to see any behaviour out of them that certain groups of Westernerers don't also do, even if it is merely to a lesser extent.-Traveler X
Endowed, I know the guy you are talking about, met him while shopping with another WSG fellow in Kabukicho, He told us about a soapland, which he claimed to be the only one which took foreigners (this is not true there was another soap which said they would service foreigners but they quoted 65,000) Went with him to the "soapland" he claimed had J-girls working there. It turned out to be a Chinese massage palor on the fifth floor. Said good bye to the guy at that point.Went to a party this afternoon with another WSG fellow had a good time but the facilities left a lot to be desired. First the bathroom is small with very little space to change in to the robe they give you and you are constantly under pressure to get out of there as the toilet is in the bathroom so if you are under pressure, you are out of luck until the person taking a shower is out of there. The play room is larger but the quality of the girls went down. I didn`t get much advance notice so I could not call the girls I know so....
TravX:Re: Gaijin AcceptanceI think we have all met Japanese ladies and had good experiences and I'm not sure the ones you've met were workers or just meetings with regular OL. The difference between meeting a lady randomly and meeting a lady who is working is night and day. My point is, the working lady is a captive audience (as is the lady operating the cash register at the local convenience store) and she cannot just walk away if she doesn't like you. This changes the rules of the game. A lady you meet at the coffee shop can just leave and tell you to take a hike which puts her in a much stronger position than someone who is meeting you as a part of her job.I'm not sure if my experiences regarding Tokyo people being like NYC people is the same. In very busy areas around major stations (Shinjuku, Shibuya, Shinagawa, Tokyo, etc) I expect people to be in a hurry and not have much time to answer my dumb questions. I've wandered the neighborhoods for years inside of the Yamanote loop away from major stations and found the people (especially the residents, housewives, etc.) to be quite friendly and helpful, even if they couldn't understand me or didn't know about what I was asking.Also, remember that some of us are considered "resident gaijin" because of the time we've been here and the way we behave while others still are considered "honored visitor" which makes a huge difference in how you are treated.
Soujourn,Great analysis! It was a LOL!Since the thread is talking about Japanese acceptance or rejection of foreigners, I'll throw my 2 yen in here to give my side. There are establishments that refuse foreigners with signs saying so. It isn't necessarily the polarised society reason, but foreigners not understanding the culture and presenting it, accidently, as a dishonourable way, simply by not knowing how. The Japanese have no time for this. There are specific times when to say certain Japanese honourific words to respect one's ranking and to respect one's own ranking. Yes, a foreigner may be second class in Japan, so respect that because that foreigner should know it isn't worth squat to prove he/she is not second class. It's just a fact of life in Japan.So to conclude that "foreigners" are not welcome in Japan is absolutely NOT true. Only foreigners that are bad people whom don't belong in Japan are not welcome and should be removed. For the entertainment areas, which this converastion is really focused about, there are just styles of entertainment the Japanese DON'T want foreigners to know about and simply feel those foreigners can't handle it. This is true. It has nothing to do with AIDS, SARS, big dicks, etc., but more to do with lack of communication, lack of honourific Japanese, lack of "scrupples", and trying to negotiate when it isn't welcome. All this over the period of many decades has created what we see today. If you want lots of sex, go to Bangkok. If you want lots of sex in Japan, pay for it. Many will serve you if you dish out the yen. Show someone that doesn't take foreigners 100000 yen and they will take you. Speak the highest level honourific Japanese and watch what they do.But all being equal, if one wants to pay the rates the Japanese pay, one has to, in essence do what a Japanese person will do. You will be surprised what perks actually exist. If you try to "be Japanese" and don't really know how, don't try. Be yourself, there will be someone, somewhere in Japan to serve you. Notice the billions of businesses in which someone is always served by it. It should be like that in the US, not Walmart and everything illegal.One will never end "racism", but getting an *iya* from a Japanese is much better, IMHO, than being threatened by a US racist pig that is a terrorist in disguise with a knife for my wallet in any major US city. Blacks calling blacks epithats in front of whites....etc. Just that last sentence alone is such uneducated, headache style, low level math, I have no need to see it, be involved, whatever. Japan is safe and I know I am welcome there with the friends I created in Japan. All Japanese. All good times. All safe. All educated. And when I want to get laid, I get it myself. I haven't been turned away from "Japanese only" after researching places I wanted to see on my own.Best of success! Gyaos
Traveler X
03-22-04, 05:10
I thought I should mention one of the clubs that let me in in Tokyo was in Kabukicho of Shinjuku called Lover's Cafe. This was a kind of strip club where you get free drinks, which I enjoy. This was right after Golden week, so business was low and that might have been a factor. You need about 6-12 months worth of Japanese to negotiate in, less if you're a fast learner.Once I did get in, there was no trouble and I felt welcome. I chose 60 mins, which was 9980 including girl. The girl I picked wouldn't be ready for another set (20 mins), so they sent another girl for the first 20 mins. The girl I picked (Yuuko) was really cool, and despite my Japanese it was fun and comfortable. According to the illustrated brochure, "Original Touch", "Back Touch", "Deep Kiss", "Petting" are allowed. They should have had an illustration that said "But no fucking" with an X over the picture. Overall a memorable experience, and I'll go again. This was a year ago, so I'll see in two weeks if she's still there. =PYou'll notice minimum prices are a bit high, but I got more mileage and spent less money that I do in US strip clubs. If you're looking for caucasian strippers, I have heard many positive recommendations for Seventh Heaven in Roppongi. Foreigners are all welcome, and certain hours are discounted.Kabukicho also has a ton of Chinese parlors. Their advantages are they allow foreigners, and you can order what's not on the menu at a strip club. Some Chinese places were hostess clubs where you can take the girls back to your room for a fee and get a night's worth for your money. When I was surprised I could do that (I was just enjoying the novelty of my first hostess club), the mamasan explained this is where the money was for them. All the other customers were Japanese, such as businessmen entertaining an important client. These girls are in their early 20's, mostly from Beijing, and because I only paid attention to the hot ones, I saw some very good lookers. You need to speak either some Japanese or Chinese (I speak a little of both, but not fluent). I found two of these clubs through Chinese touts, the first one was full and no girls of my liking, while the second one had two I was completely satisfied with. None of these clubs are labeled or advertised for obvious reasons, so you either need to be introduced to them through a friend, or through a tout.By the way, if you do talk with a Chinese tout, remember that they're going to try very hard to lead you to a massage parlor or Chinese hostess bar (depending on your budget), no matter where you ask them to take you. That's where their cut is gauranteed and the biggest. They're only useful for getting into a hostess club, or helping you find the one Japanese club that will let you in (they have an idea, but even they have to get lucky for you based on how business is doing for the club).I asked the mamasan at the hostess club for a referral to an honest tout, who true to his word actually found me another Japanese club that would let me in. The margins are much smaller for them because they have to negotiate with the clubs (their accent in Japanese was heavier than mine, but they knew the key words that I didn't know), but as I knew exactly what kind of club I wanted, they took me straight to one.If you go to a massage parlor in Kabukicho, every parlor seems to put fake photos in their photobooks for you to pick, so I wouldn't bother. You don't necessarily get the girl you pick. It's better to look for the massage girls standing outside and pick the one you want, if that's what you're looking for.Some of the massage girls are real attractive looking, but I'll repeat a little advice from my Nagoya guide: Make sure you negotiate exactly what you want beforehand or you will not get it unless you pay more (or not at all). My modus is to simply ask them what they'll offer, because it is much more likely they will not offer on their own initiative anything they won't deliver. Whereas if they see the only way to get your money is to agree to something you proposed but they won't do, they'll take your money. That's how a massage girl who doesn't like sex but likes money thinks.I did manage to get myself into a cabaret style club. There was a barker standing outside with a menu of the ladies. It's like a strip club, but the girls line up and you pick them by number. You get two tickets, one for each girl. Service wasn't as enthusiastic as at Lover's Cafe, but I did enjoy the novelty of it and had a good time. These girls didn't look Japanese, but I didn't ask. This might have been why I had no trouble getting in. The second girl that I called got on top of me, and when I explained I spoke mainly English, she smiled and said "Enjoy" to which I said "I will".So after visiting several of the clubs in Kabukicho, my impression was that service is hit and miss, but there's enough variety that you can find what you like. I had a great time just for the novelty of it, but when I was in Nagoya service was much better on average.In the middle of Kabukicho there is a Manzoku storefront where they have brochures of most of the legit clubs in the area. This was more a curiosity for me, because the clubs advertised won't let foreigners in as far as I could tell. But for the Japanese customers, you can pick the girls you want at the store, and then they will even escort you to the club. If I can get good scans of these, I'll try to post them on the pictures section if anyone's curious. Each brochure has a stamp of some bat with the word "Manzoku" on it.
Sailing, Thanks for confirming my Hara Gei about that tout. I forgot to mention that he wears large eye glasses that have a reddish rim that are broken. In case anyone else is out there.Ditto with Soujourn on the pussy size issue. Just like small guys can have huge cocks the size of the woman does not have anything to do with it. Reccomend going easy doggy style as that is when you tend to bottom out into some internal organs not meant for sexual pleasure.En
Super6stud9
03-22-04, 08:37
Thank you for the insight.Maybe Osaka , or some of the other cities are better for hunting pussy. Which one would you recommend?The comparison between NY and Tokyo makes sense.Thank you for the insights.
Soujoun, I agree with you on most of your points and think they provide good insite for newcomers, but I found a couple that I disagree with 4) and 5):Some clubs do consult the girls, as I know a few that tell me which girls are OK with foreigners and which aren't. I've even heard them ask "gaijin wa daijoubu?" to the girl in question. Of course there are many clubs which have a blanket rule of no foreigners (but even that can be relaxed if you are lucky, clean, a good speaker of Japanese and look like you have money).Also, Korea is more ethnically pure than Japan.And to those other posters who think Japanese are particular, try going to China and talking to a Japanese who was left behind after WWII or a third generation Korean in China-they will all tell you that despite the language and appearance, they are not accepted as the same. And this is from a country with 50 nationalities! This is also true for Chinese in Indonesia (for the last 400 years). And you'd find a fair number of white Americans or Brits who would prefer to think of Vietnamese or Pakistanis as not being pure members of their society.Of course I am not happy with rejection based on race, but to say Japan is unique is stretching things."4) Remember - entrance to the club is determined by the MEN who OWN the club. Not the women who work there. If you visit any club that denies your entrance, you will notice you are denied at the counter! Not by ANY women who are actually doing the deeds.""5) Japan is the most homogeneous country in the world with over 95% of Japanese living IN Japan! It is racist and segregationist. In fact even the Ministry of Government Homepage has a special form for Japanese to inform on irritating foreigners they suspect"
Lion:Nice comments. I think if you look at nationalistic chauvinism, in terms of which nationality considers themselves superior, the Japanese are probably only a very, very close second to US Americans or Canadians. I know for a fact that of the Asian immigrants I knew when growing up, the Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Filipinos and Indians always seemed to be very focused on getting US citizenship. Western Europeans were not quite so focused while Japanese and Canadians were not usually interested in becoming citizens at all unless some family matter (estate issues, taxes, etc.) compelled them to think hard about it. Basically, I think Japanese people in general, especially the baby boomer aged ones, believe that Japan is a superior place and that everywhere else is inferior, including the people. Your average Vietnamese, Korean or Chinese probably doesn't feel so strongly that way and is willing to change their citizenship and naturalize to something else. I worked with a Canadian guy once and he was always complaining about the US medical system, the guns and the homelessness. He felt pity for us US citizens who had to deal with such an uncivilized society.Anyway, the prosperity that Japan has enjoyed since losing the war is probably only matched by Germany and some of my German friends actually told me that if things had gone differently during WWII we might all be speaking German instead of English.So, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your points because they are well taken. I'm just trying to add a slightly different perspective and angle to the discussion.Regarding Koreans in Japan, I find it virtually impossible sometimes to discern Korean ethnicity in those 2nd, 3rd and now 4th generation Korean residents. They all have Japanese names, speak, read and write perfect Japanese and unless they have a very strong Korean facial feature, it's virtually impossible for me to tell, even if they tell me they are ethnic Korean, yet growing up in the US I could usually tell Koreans and Japanese apart quite easily. I think it's wrong the way they are treated but since I'm not a Japanese citizen I really don't have much say in the matter.One thing I do like are the Korean ladies who work in the industry. Like people have said here, less hair down there and better proportioned bodies.
Johnny Jets
03-23-04, 15:30
Coolguy reported this on 02-16-03"I am from third world country. Stayed in Shinjuku Hilton on my business trip there. It's amazing how many women hang around in the lobby there. If you are taking elevator alone to your room, then they will follow you and start conversation. they will come to your room if you invite them. I had 2 of them but they were not japanese. One was french about 40 years old and other malay about 25 .Also walked around other side of the train station and had my balls squeezed by half a dozen streetwalker women in the dark back alleys there. I didn't partake any of them because I was not able to communicate with them. it's hard to negotiate out in the open when you don't speak the same language."Well I satyed there this week (March 22-24 2004) and none of the above happened, very disappointing. Also went for a walk to the other side of the train station and saw no one in the main streets. Didn't go up any dark back alleys as they looked too seady. Might have missed some fun.
I am interested in meeting some women over the web before my stay in Tokyo this summer. I'm a caucasian, and I've heard that there are some Japanese women who might be looking for a fling of that kind. Has anyone had any luck with any particular web dating services? I've tried Adult Friend Finder in the U.S., but found it to be nothing but an invitation to get spammed or worse. Anyone know if the ads for women in Japan are legit?Someone mentioned in a post a few months ago that there are agencies in Japan that arrange meetings between Caucasian men and Japanese housewives or OLs. Anybody have info here?Thanks!
Wazoo, You can check out adds on www.japantoday.com and click the classified link. I think this would be your best bet.
I have used the classified section years ago. I wrote things like 'like caucasian man travelling to Japan is seeking female friend for fun, etc...' and it came out that I got a hundred of replies. Among them I was able to make real and now close female friends. Some were a bit in love, but I have to say that after chatting over the net for a while, my idea to have sex with them disapeared. So yes, the classifieds are a great place to find sex partners, but also friends.
Super6stud9
03-26-04, 04:39
BAD CASE OF ASIAN FEVER.The women in japantoday website are mostly 30 or older, not my typeThis is for the Gaigin experts. I have a really bad case of Asian fever(want some Asian pussy). I have had Thai, Viet, and Cambodian. I was considering japan. But the prices are indeed 3x that in other places with a model type(100USD and Up). I visited the Hong Kong board, and it has lookers like the one below. Price about $40USD.Her name is Swallow, no pun intended.http://******.com/php-en/memberDetail.php?id=2165For those who have had Chinese, and japanese, Which ones have the hardest bodies. I had a Chinese(mixed) before, and her ass was the hardest most firm delicious ass. I kept squeezing her firm ass just to make sure it was real. It was a surrreal experience. I still dream about it. Japanese girls look a little flabby in the tummy in the japanese fuzoku pages(even the 18 yo's).I think HK is better (price wise and the chinese girls look thinner than the Japanese ones, the legs are also longer even though they are about the same height, more proportioned)What do you think punthers that have had both, Japanese and Chinese?Well thank you to the punters that replied.
Super6stud9,I've had real Japanese girls, real Korean girls and real Chinese girls. All I can say is what James Bond said, "Why do Chinese girls taste different than all other girls?" The girl replied, "you like us best?" Bond, "No just different, like cavier tastes different than roast duck, but I love the both, very much". Girl: "James, I give you best duck"!Japanese is my prefered favourite and are the tightest and kinkiest. I like them kinky. However, if you are in need of a serious shag, you can also get a Korean girl and pretend she's Japanese, if you are that desperate. As for prices, if Japan is 3x to you and you cannot "get in" with the Japanese, Korean, or find the bargain hidden mines, then go to Macau where the spas have all sorts of variety, including Thai, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and even Russian. Reasonably priced too. I was in Vancouver once and scored on a Japanese as 1/2 of a 3-some. She spoke English and Japanese and was very kinky. So it can happen anywhere.I had a dollar once.Best of success!Gyaos.
Super6stud9, for me you have to try Korean, they are the best for service. Somehow not as fun, shy or kind as the Japanese would be, but can be very hot, sexy, and I like their bodies and faces the most. Then, in fact, it depends what you prefer. Go to Pataya and you will have vacation-like fun, emerging country cheap chicks. A thai woman can be hot, fun, love sex, but on the other not as sophisticated as a japanese or korean.
Wazoo,I agree, AFF is worthless. Almost none of the girls reply, and if they do, then they are of the kind where they should pay you. But if you have enough patience (and are not too picky), then there are other ways, which are even free, like penpal boards, yahoo chat, japantoday, etc.But this would probably belong in the nampa section, not here.
Interesting that we all have different tastes when it comes to women. As for me, nothing beats the beauty of a Korean woman. If you are ever in Seoul, check out the Seoul board. I have never met a Japanese girl that even came close to the beauty of a Korean women (yet, still looking though). In Korea, for 7k in yen you can have a near-supermodel. In Japan, the same might cost 10 times that.
Shibuya Sex Tower - R.I.P. I visited the 'tower' today and found all floors closed except for 5. Went there as guest of the tout -- and had a marginal session with one of the resident Beijing girls. She was ashamed of her belly scars and god knows what else - I was tightly wrapped in an industrial cover, so not too worried, but nonetheless, dismayed. Finished by CHJ, how's that for safety? The glory days are gone, it seems, some signs indicating new tenants outside and maybe renewal in the future. But for now, IMHO, the Tower is a shadow of its former mongering paradise.These places change rapidly and it may be another one comes into being in a couple weeks. I'll check it out every week or so to see what the latest is. One crazy side note - the pink salon was there for more than 10 years according to one of the girls. Apparantly it was the 'sister' club to the Century 21.Another note - visited to Hinomaru in Ikebukuro. It was closed and the sign indicated some renewal action. We'll have to wait to see what's on the sofa there!Hinomaru Shinjuku - session (inlcuding fs) with Mika. Not bad, but super mechanical and she seemed irritated. I'm bored of that place, but will visit to 'see' what the range of offering is with Kaori and the other girld.Best,So
As something of a self-proclaimed connoisseur of asian women myself, I have to chime in here! I think that if you take the population as a whole, there are fewer attractive women in Japan than in Korea or certainly in Thailand. However, beautiful Japanese women are truly beautiful. They also have two really special things about them. First, Japanese women can have a refinement and grace about them that is truly unique, even among asians. Second, most Japanese women somehow can be very sexual, even a little kinky, but seem shy and innocent at the same time. I don't know how they do it. In American porn, for example, the women all look really slutty. In Japanese porn, they all seem like that innocent girl next door--even while doing some amazing things. Japanese women also tend to make very, very sweet girlfriends and wives.Korean women, taken on the whole, are more likely to be attactive and well-proportioned. If you are a breast man, as I am, then you are most likely to find your slice of heaven here. In fact, the two most beautiful women I've ever seen naked worked in KMPs. Both were absolutely jaw-dropping perfect!Taken as a whole, I think that Thailand has the highest proportion of good-looking people on the planet. I've had no experience beyond the girl-watching level, though. I wish I could make some well-seasoned comments about Thai women in bed, but much to my dismay I can't. I'll have to work on that.
I tried that soapland 'Silkroad' in Nishikawaguchi this afternoonhttp://www.soap-silkroad.com/As I am asian-american, I had no trouble getting in after I demonstrated that I could speak Japanese, and they didnt seem to have a problem with it. I was a bit unsure of the price(ended up costing 35,000) but as I checked the website afterwards I found that was the correct price. There was some kind of 10k entrance fee attatched to it as well.It's a very classy place. First theres a waiting room with a tv and they provide tea and an energy drink as you wait. I selected Momoka, who only works in the daytime. The picture was a lot better than she actually was, it was obviously brushed up a bit. Definitely not a knock out but her service more than made up for that. These girls are trained to serve the man's every needs. In the space of 90 minutes, it worked like this:first bbbj and fs. Then body washing/bath and more bbbj. After that 'mat play' where she rubs her naked body against yours aided by some kind of slippery gel, followed by more bbbj and more fs. Her goal was to get the customer off 2 times.I have mentioned before that korean women are generally better looking, but to Japan's credit, the attention to detail that Japanese girls pay to their customers is unmatched. If you have not been to a soapland, it is definitely a must do experience in Japan.I asked about foreigners being admitted to the shop. They said no to black people period. Asian looking foreigners are probably ok as long as they speak Japanese. As for caucasians, it depends on the time that you come. If you are well dressed and speak japanese that will definitely help you get in. Next time I'll go during prime time to hopefully get a much better looking girl.
Viagrant,Replying to your query about Prin Prin in Tsuchiura: I don't know whether there is an extra charge for requesting a specific girl there--I would very much like to know the answer to that myself, as I would like to try some specific cuties pictured on the website. So, if any of you gentlemen get to Prin Prin, please do report back regarding your experiences!
I have been researching a few places just outside Tokyo in the Chiba area. I went to Matsudo and Shin Koiwa, not much possibilty of gaijin entry in most of the BJ places I think.I went onto Funabashi. Lots of places here. About 5 minutes from the train station, a guy invited me into one place. I met a sexy girl in one of the two rooms. We had seperate showers. Then she gave me a very nice HJ. After shooting - another shower. Then out. 8,000 - but the girl was better than the average BJ place girlss. And you do it on a bed!Later I found another place in Funabashi. I went up some stairs and a guy said 7,000 for 40 mins. Only one girl in the place. She was 28 years old, a bit fat, but nice enough. A relaxed BJ and some beer.There a lots of places in Funabashi I think others should try it. And then tell the rest of us about it!I might try Nishi-Funabashi next. Anyone been there?
FU-Town translates pretty well using babelfish but can somebody help with the following entries that don't translate, the following is a list from the URL: http://www.fuzoku-townpage.com/a/f03/genf03_05.htmSoap - Obvious"エステ"Strip - ObviousHealth - ObviousSM club - ObviousShow run pub - Not so obviousイメクラホテヘルNew half - What is this?Characteristic impression - What is this?デリヘルSwapping - ObviousピンサロThe Korean business trip - Delivery Health?In addition - Not SureセクキャバDate club - ObviousThe one that really baffles me is what is "characteristic impression' as translated? That one is really strange. What is it?
Dogz,Thanks for the report on Funabashi. I've been meaning to get up there to check it out. Where exactly from trainstation is the RLD? Is it gaijin-friendly?
Hi everybody,Here is the report I promised. As I have had some success with my nampa, my exeriences with pros are rather meager. I was staying in a business hotel near Kanda station and I noticed that after 10 or 11 pm there were always chinese girls standing around offering massages. Their first price was 10000, but they go down to 6.000 - 8.000 rather easily. So on my third evening, when I came home from the first date with a Japanese lady I met on the internet, I was rather excited, but unrelieved, since I didn't want to push things on the first date. So I went with a cute Chinese girl who I would have guessed to be in her mid-twenties, but who said that she was in her mid-thirties. I asked her, if she would do the massage herself, which she did. I got a one hour massage with hand job for 6.000 yen and she let me touch her, too. We chatted a lot in a mixture of English and Japanese and it was very relaxing experience.I'll write about the rest of my experiences in the Nampa section.
Homer69,????????? = Este = Massage parlor???????????? = Ime-kura = Image Club???????????? - Hote-heru = Hotel Health (massage in your hotel toom)New half = transsexual???????????? = Deli-Health = pastrami sandwich(just kiding, it's delivery massage)???????????_ = pink salon????????_?????? = Seku-Kaba = Sex CabaretNot sure what to make of 'characteristic impression'
Had a nice time in Shin-Okubo the other day. Not a Korean party exactly, but rather two women who operate out of an apartment not to far from the station. I was with Sera, who was very sweet, 24 years old.The cost is 16,000 for two hours, which is a pretty good deal for an unrushed full body massage, steam towels, CBBJ, sumatra to finish, 2 pops OK. And its a great deal when you consider that after the fun has concluded you are given a Korean meal in the room to enjoy with your girl, free of charge. Japanese (or Korean) language ability is a must, as neither of the girls seems to speak the slightest english. No website as far as I know. PM me if you would like further information.
Hello,Here are some old links that still seem active and quite useful for mongering in Japan:http://www1.mahoroba.ne.jp/~sailor/english/pink.htm - Classichttp://www.ut-info.com/night/term.shtml - Terms listhttp://tokyotopless.com/ - Great site of largebreasted Japanese and links to their clubs or servicesFor Homer:1) Characteristic Impression is usually translated from the Image Club type of place. It deals with the girl offering you the impression of what you expect. Like Air Hostess, Campaign Girl, etc.2) New Half - This is term used to designate transexual person or full transvestite. Not just casual cross dressing. Read 'ladyboy'.3) Show Pubs - Many types exist. It's usually like a bar that offers some 'extra' service or show. Like the women pour drinks without panties and expose for you. Or maybe they have some topless hostess. Different than the strip club in that it's more bar oriented with this extra type service. Sometimes the girl can offer blowjob or handjob in semi-private place.Enjoy!
The Funabashi RLD is a stones throw from the JR / Keisei line stations. Just walk down the back streets and you will see tons of places.You should find somewhere to service you. It helps if you speak Japanese. At busy times they are more selective who they let in I guess
Ambassador
04-10-04, 00:24
Homer 69 and Shomohin,The kanji that was translated by Babelfish as "characteristic impression" reads in Japanese as "seikan". A better translation would be "quasi sex", perhaps. The "sei" kanji means sexual or gender, the "kan" means "feeling", so, on the website in question, "sexual feeling" is a better direct translation than "characteristic impression." I think Babelfish is on drugs sometimes!"Seikan" is the word that about 80% of the Chinese girls standing on sidewalks in RLD across Japan use when trying to pull in customers, usually as "Seikan masaji ikaga desu ka?" The other 20% of the time, and probably more if you look like you don't understand Japanese, they just use the word "masaji", figuring the rest would be lost on the gaijin. As we know, unless we are specific about what we want, what we get from these girls can vary quite a bit, and lots of times its a handjob from a different (and less attractive) woman than the one pulling your dickstrings on the street. However, the shops in that category on the fuzoku townpage site, which are legitimate businesses (compared to the Chinese bait-and-switchers) show what's on the menu, and lots of them offer much more than a HJ. Granted, with some of the Chinese street girls you will get FS (from what I've been told; been burned once too many times to try it again but YMMV). But if I have a choice between a shop that says on their website that CIM is standard procedure, like some of these shops on fuzoku townpage do, and a promise of FS from a FOB streetgal, I'll go with the legitimate business every time.
Jimbehr2000
04-10-04, 07:33
I'll be returning to Japan for the first time in a few years. Is Seiki 21 in Shibuya open 24 hours? I get different answers searching the archives.
Seiki21 used to close at midnight, but I'm not sure about these days. I would be surprised if it was open 24hrs.
Crazy Jim Wood
04-11-04, 03:45
Ambassador, Homer, Shomo, other philologists out there:Seikan massage just means 'sensual massage' with the same connotation in Japan as in the U.S.: possibility of sexual service is implied but not promised. Best to ask the girl if it includes honban/sumata/fera/etc before committing.
CJW:Thanks for clearing that up. You always seem to be able to cut to the chase and tell it like it is.You found any good seikan/estute places recently?
Woody For Asians
04-11-04, 13:03
Seiki 21,First BBBJ starts at 5 p.m. Not sure when it closes but it's not open 24 hours.
Hiroo Tokyo
04-12-04, 03:38
Coming to Tokyo on business this week. Haven't been to Seiki 21 since last year Oct. Will check it out this time to see what changed. I normally do the happy hour, not as busy. Tried pantherclaw a few times and was happy with the service even though it came at a steep price. How is the Gotanda scene these days?
Captain Pi
04-12-04, 05:52
I have to concur w/Dog Jamm about a soapland being a must do experience. Mine was pretty similar to his although, I only had 1 bbbj, the subsequent ones were covered. Personally I was a bit worried about that and I think next time I'll ask to not that it always be covered. I really enjoyed the matt play w/the gel. The sex on the matt and later in bed was nice. Yeah, the experience I think made up for the appearance of the girl (I'd give her a 6.5). I'd totally do it again if I'm back in Japan and not in a relationship.
Woody For Asians
04-12-04, 12:43
Sadly, Kanna is leaving Seiki 21. Thursday will be her last day. She has provided the old Woody with some memorable ball-licking, rectum-rimming BJ's. I heartily recommend her services. Get her while you can, gentlemen.Woody4asians
Can anyone recommend a web site that contains a good posting board or a good chat room for meeting Japanese girls? I will be coming this summer and want to connect with a non-pro while I'm there. I don't speak Japanese, so my attempts to use sites like Yahoo! Japan haven't worked since I can't really navigate around. I'm looking for a site where everyone posts in English.Thanks for the help.
Mount,Try www.asoboo.com or www.gaijinfinder.com.Good luck
Hello, Does any one know a place called "OS Theatre" in Tokyo? If you do, could you please provide address and direction?Thanks,BH Lover
Crazy Jim Wood
04-17-04, 12:09
Homer,Always happy to be of service. I've always fancied myself a cunning linguist.I've been in Hawaii so not much to report here in Japan. Hooked up with an amateur there so not much to report in Hawaii either. I was running late leaving and returning so no chance for a stip by at Nishi Nippori either.How about you? I notice you have been in Nishi Kawasaki? A little bit out of my jurisdiction so happy for the info.When are you upgrading to senior member so we don't have to wait to read your input?
Need advice from those who've done delivery healths (deli heru) or D.C.s.I've never done it before, only regular healths and such. What is the SPECIFIC procedure? What are you asked and in what order? I want to see if I can get service from a Japanese only service so I want to know everything about the procedure in advance.Much appreciation in advance!
I'm in the Akasaka area. Where can I find some action and any idea what the costs are?
Hello all,First time in japan and i'm in the akasaka area. Where can I find some action, other than the beer hostess stuff.
I've been hanging around Nishi-Kawaguchi lately and have had some good success at the 'NK style' places. NK style basically means FS. If you guys are tired of Korean and Chinese girls, this is a great place to get Japanese. For 9-10k, you can get 40-50 minutes of shower, bbbj, and FS. I've been there 3 times, the first was a failure because I didn't demand to see a picture. The last 2 times were great. The girls were a bit tubby in the middle(is this a common thing?) but moderately cute and great bbbj and fs.Since I am asian-american I can get into most places. As for caucasians, if you are approached on the street by a tout you are in. However, make sure you choose from a photo if you don't want a dog. Sometimes it costs 2k to select from a photo.I asked the girls if foreigners were ok, and the 2 I talked to said no problem, just that black people were 'scary' (sorry guys).As a prevous post reported, just walk around and you will be approached by a tout sooner or later.Have fun!
D Jamm:How good is your Japanese?How did you find these places (without a tout)?I'm getting ready to head up there when I get some spare funds.Also, you mentioned one was a failure. Can you define failure? It sounds like you got one that was not very attractive but you were serviced just the same?
Homer,My Japanese is upper intermediate I would guess. It also helped to look Japanese, as many touts approached me. Most of the time when I was a 'gaikokujin'(foreigner) they said no problem. I'm positive there will be some places that accept caucasians. The one failure was described in an earlier post, my first time going there. They gave me a real dog, probably because I didnt ask about seeing a picture or anything else.Just make sure you ask for a photo.There was one building that I couldnt get into at all. One shop was called 'pinky girls' or something like that , and that shop and every shop in the building looked fairly good- with real nice looking girls. However I was denied entry, even after I said I was of Japanese decent. There are so many shops there I'm sure you can find a decent one.
Unfortunately, I have not had as much luck as DJ has in Nishi-Kawaguchi. I am a big white guy and rarely get approached by the touts. There is a good massage place there that I like to go to occasionally. I have never been able to get FS there but all the other services are top notch. I found their websitehttp://www.kinnotsuki.com/index2.htmlI usually go for the gold course. I have played with Sera and Aki. Sera is very small and seems bored with her work. The reason I continue to go back is Aki. Unbelievable service. Very nice GFE. I would love to be able to get FS with her but at this place it is very strictly prohibited.
Anyone with experience in regards to hotel massage services? Is it massage only or is fs available? Seems like the hotel I'm staying at is pretty straight forward.
Woody For Asians
04-24-04, 07:41
Stoops,What is the "gold course?"Aki looks scrumptious.
Shibuya Soap- Well I haven`t been on the board in a long while due to many things, inclusuve of work. I had chance to stop by the Tower in Shibuya. Although I heard recently that it was busted up I had little problem getting in. Walked towards the elevator when a gentlemen grabbed me murmurred a couple of "keen" phrases in my ear and whisked me off to the 5th floor. Yumi was cute and soft spoken (my two favorites) Great massage and lip service. It was a quick first one then a little relax and on two round two. FS over under and from behind (didn`t request greek but think it is not beyond possible) 70 minutes for 15K not bad at all considering she was about an 8 didn`t mind my wondering hands and was actually kind of sweet. BTW, great bar next door (5-9 pm / 350 yen for open bar)
Hello gents,I hate to ask for info, but I will be in Tokyo for a few days in May and I would like to know where and when are the best place for catching up with SW and other SP? I am thinking of going to Eastern Shibuya. Are there other areas that I should go to for curb crawling?
Captain Pi
04-26-04, 09:38
Wow! That Kinnotsuki DOES have a lot of hot girls on their site. I guess they're sorta a soapland (w/the mat) but don't allow FS? I'd LOVE to do many of the girls there. Stoops: Please do elaborate on the "gold course".
Traveler X
04-27-04, 12:15
This is my recent experience attending adult parties in Tokyo with Sailing and other WSG members. I want to thank Sailing for being an awsome host, as well as the other members for a memorable time. Also in this post are my experiences at two clubs in Shinjuku. In the Yokohama section, I also post my experience in Koganecho.So depending on the night and time, there are a varying number of girls at the party. You shower and change into a robe, putting your belongings into a bag you carry with you.Some girls are more talkative than others, and some girls are dressed for the occasion while others are casual. Speaking some Japanese is useful to get started and I'd highly recommend it, but once you decide who you'll try you should make your move and choose her. Or else I will. =) Well, one guy who visited the party spent a long time talking with Kyoko, but he wasn't making her any richer so I chose her after waiting an obligatory amount of time.As for Kyoko, she was well worth it and skilled at what she does. She is well-gifted and still shaven. I didn't know whether or not it would make a difference to me, but it did. She started me off with a covered bj and I took over from there in a great session.Before Kyoko, I had another girl Mimi, whom I hadn't seen before at previous parties. Sailing was thinking I'd definitely pick her, and once I started thinking straight and realized she was the one, I chose her. She was surprisingly good and knew what to do from the start. Sailing tells me she's had a boob job, and I think he's right though I'm no expert. Afterwards downstairs, I could see her face was really flustered. Actually this is how she is after each time, I think it's because she's very hard working! One other visitor to the party tried her two times in a row, so she is certainly universally appreciated. Her attire for the night left little to the imagination, but there's more to her than what you see at first.The other girls I chose at the party each had something I liked, and they were more passive compared to Kyoko and Mimi. When I come back to Japan in the future, I will be sure to come again.Now I'll mention a few notes about two clubs I went to in Shinjuku: Love Wagon, and Ichigo Melon. I'm Asian American, and my Japanese is reaching two years of serious study. I'd say if I had much less Japanese, I may have been rejected at said clubs, but I don't know.Ichigo MelonI chose the first course, which is comically illustrated:http://www.ichigo-melon.com/play.htmlIf you go to the Manzoku station I described in an earlier post, you can get a discount ticket for the 45 minute "Show and Blow" course for 9980 yen. Certainly this is less bj cost effective than Hinomaru or Seiki 21, but I'm more interested in a unique Japanese experience than in the quantity of bj's I recieve. I was amused by the comic illustration posted in one of the advertisement stations, so I wanted to try it out just so I could say I did. I think the comic pretty accurately describes what happened to me, but it was kind of surreal to be there in person. The first 15 minutes involved the "cosplay selection", where there were four girls dressed up in schoolgirl outfits, all blindfolded. You get to play with each of them for your own evaluation, and you choose the one you want. It's interesting because the girls can't see you. Then for the next 30 minutes you go upstairs where she showers you, and you go to a private room where there is a bed and she performs a combination of oral and sumatra on you, whichever you prefer. This girl I chose had an awsome body both with and without schoolgirl outfit, so I really enjoyed the sumatra experience. Afterwards, you shower again with her again. Obviously Hinomaru and Seiki 21 are more BCE (bj cost effective) and so is full service in Koganecho, but I enjoyed this just for the novelty of it.Love WagonSo this is a new strip club which I found advertised in Manzoku. It is really close to Manzoku, and I go whenever I just want to relax. It's 7000-10000 yen for 45 minutes depending on what time you go, and you get a 1000 yen discount for showing the ticket from Manzoku. In 45 minutes you get three girls and your choice of drink. It's topless, and most of the girls I saw were E cup. I had no trouble with privacy here. Depending on what you think of the girl, you can talk with her, make out with her, or kiss and touch anywhere above waist. The girls can touch you anywhere, and you get good mileage with most. On introduction, half the girls will give you their card with name on it, so you can select them next time. I had a good time and went again. I also enjoyed this largely for the novelty of it.So that said, if you're looking for full service, try Koganecho.Traveler X
Kinnotsuki is a massage place. The facilities are very clean and the playrooms are huge. The gold course is 110 minutes long. You start in one of two huge shower rooms. There is an air mattress on the floor. While you are lying on the mattress, you get a nice, long, soapy rub down. After she rinses you off, she breaks out the water-based lube. Getting rubbed down with that stuff all over your body (and hers) is incredible. This part of the service lasts almost 50 minutes. After you are rinsed off, it?fs off to the playroom.In the playroom you start with a massage. It?fs not bad compared with most massage places. Hot towels are placed on your back while the girl walks all over you. After the massage, the lights are turned down and the fun begins. FS is strictly not allowed here. 69, CBJ, and sumata are about it. It does not sound like much but the way the service is performed is outstanding. All of the people who work there are extremely friendly.The price is a bit misleading. Take a printout of the system page on the web site to get the discount. After the first visit, you are given a member?fs card. Every time you go back with your card, you get a discount. I usually pay 15,000 or 16,000 for the gold course with my card.
I was browsing yukan.net today and I noticed that there are a ton of Korean delivery health services from Uguisudani. Any particular reason why Uguisudani has so many of these businesses?
I am thinking of trying one of the agencies in Tokyo that advertise in English on the web. Can anyone recommend a specific venue or girl that will provide full service as a matter of course. And, if it is included in the base price, whether it will cost extra, and how much? There seems to be conflicting info on the boards about this. Some of the Club Boo girls look good, but do they provide FS? Anyone have any experiences with them, or with Tokyo Enjoy, or any others I might not know about?Thanks for your help!
Hi All,I'm from New York.I will be in Tokyo 5/17-5/20 around Roppongi. Any advice on where to get some hot Japanese girls. I can't speak Japanese at all. I been to Tokyo many times on Business but always failed in getting some action.Your advice and guidance is much appreiciated from this clueless of NY.Patboy
Homer,There seems to be a ton of services but after using several of them, it seems each time I call one the same woman answers. There seem to be only a couple of places that use various names and telephone numbers. As I speak Japanese like a native, I have not had trouble getting service from those establishments. I have even taken WSG members under the pretext that I was entertaining visiting clients. There is at least one which will take foreigners i.e. non-Japanese but you will have to call around and see which ones they are. I have found that if I tell them in advance that my clients are foreigners the quality of girls goes down i.e. they get older and bigger.Japan,Regarding the venues that advertise in English magazines, the girls for the most part are English speakers and nothing is explicitely stated. It is a matter of hit or miss as to whether you are quoted a price for FS or not. They tend to be verｙ careful in describing the service provided for the price quoted.Traveller,Enjoyed reading your version of the experience we had. I went there again for a double a couple of days ago and found another interesting pair of girls. One was Japanese and the other a Korean who had just started that day. Very interesting breaking them in. I would be game for another trip to Koganecho if we don`t do another triple before going.
Shibuya Sex Tower update part deux. It seems the 5th floor is hanging in there with better than sporadic openings. A few of the girls have returned from 'resting' and ready for action! Funny thing, when I was visiting one of my favorites another girl came in the room and said 'oh, I had him too! should we try together?' Kind of cute since I hadn't seen either girl for almost 4mo! Happy mongering! P.S. They've painted and cleaned a bit, too, almost cozy - like a BJ BBS except for the price. But hey, it's Tokyo and you won't get this kind of service anywhere else for the price. You can bargain for 10k/45min - slack time. Some of the girls try to cheat you on the time - so hurry your way in and out the shower and cut the massage short.Cheers
Went to Utamaro. Arrived just went it opened at 5:00pm. The inside was so dark I couldnt' see anything for at least 10 minutes until my eyes got used to the darkness. The furnishing is not as plush as Hinomaru but with three girls servicing you in 45 minutes or whatever the time limiit was, it was a better value. I can't remember the girls that serviced me but there were pretty cute.
Che De Barna
05-03-04, 17:01
Gentlemen,It has been a long time since my last visit, and I'd like to apologize to all those to whom my sudden departure may have driven to wrong conclusions, e.g., nothing further to my will than leaving behind unanswered messages and unattended invitations, specially when those who sent them didn't need to do so and were just trying to help a total stranger.I just had to leave everything here in Tokyo and go back to my country to take care of some - non pleasant - family issues, ipso facto, so one night I was checking the forum at my cozy Tokyo home drinking ocha and eating nigiri and the next morning I was flying back to Europe with just my passport on.Anyway, now I'm back here, ready to resume my normal gaijin-in-Japan existence, mainly based upon enjoying this city's special services... so, gentlemen, let's roll!Again, apologies to anybody whom I might have offended.Che
Thanks Sailing,I havn't found any ads that specificallty specify FS in the base price, so I think I'll hold off on that for a bit, unless there are some specific recommendations for particular agencies and girls.Just a tip about another gaigin-friendly Soap in Tsuchiura. I started out intending to pay another visit to Prin-Prin, which I posted about a while back. But I was ?pulled in? by a tout, from the ?Banana Boat?--another Soap near the train station in Tsuchiura. The girl, Akari, about 27, was a bit thick, but had a pretty face and a nice attitude. She provided a fun soap raft slip and slide session with nice cock and ball massage. The BJ was covered, and no DFK. Even tough I gently persisted, I could not get any ?kissu? this time! That was the only major disappointment, as DFK is really crucial to me for a first rate experience. She really enjoyed DATY, though, and allowed very careful digital insertion and seemed to enjoy the G-spot simulation. And she allowed two rounds of unrushed covered full service. Price: ne man yen for 70 minutes. All in all, about a 7 in both looks and performance, with very professional service, with lots of ?arragatto gozimashide?s" from the staff when leaving--the owner even insisted I take an umbrella to walk back to the station in the rain! And now a question--I have been much less successful in getting DFK from Japanese girls than other nationalities. They seem to withhold this-- much more so than the Thai or Chinese girls I?ve had, or the Western girls back home. And I have been told by many Japanese girls now that DFK is just not the Japanese way. My question is--is this really true? Do Japanese girls normally not kiss? And how would some of you more experienced gaigin mongers approach this? Any tips? Surely there are some of you out there that consider this as important to the experience as I do! And I am thinking of trying the Koganecho area in Yokohama soon. Any tips, or specific venues, regarding the girls there, especially regarding DFK? Thanks for your help!
Japan,For whatever reason the girl didn't want to do DFK, it's not a Japanese thing or anthing like that, lots of places offer that. My question is: why would youwant a DFK? These girls may have done that with lots of guys, its a good way to catch a cold, I tell you. I like a little kissing but try not to DFK if possible.One place where a kiss is offered as part of the service is Nishi-Kawaguchi, it all depends on the girl, though whether they will DFK or not.
Japan,I tend to agree with DogJamm regarding DFK. Why would you want to? Probably not much as much risk as FS without a raincoat but you can catch some nasty bugs from mouth-to-mouth contact.As much as I enjoy DATY, I never do it with a working girl, which doesn't eliminate risk but it is certainly much safer doing it with a girl you know fairly well. VD sucks and HIV can kill you so it's not really worth it for me.
Can someone let me know the directions to Seiki 21. I am sure they have been posted but the search for them is a little maddening.Thanks In Advance
Hi there - Shin Okubo update1) visited 2 massage places (esute - ?G?X?e) . Just as you exit the station turn right and proceed under the bridge. Go 2 small streets and turn right - you will see the signboards. 1 bulding 5 or 6 floors. The 5th floor has a Japanese health place but they don't accept foreigners. The massage places are good for massage and HJ but not much else. I couldn't even get my fingers in their pie!2) Another place - again exit station, turn right. Walk under the bridge then cross to other side of the road. On the same side of street as hiking or camping supply place (can't remember name) Go about 2 or 3 buldings more. You will see signboard for esute and at night a girl or 2 touting. I went to the 5th floor location. First you walk in the bulding, then up stairs to 3rd floor. Then elevator to 5th. Mixed girls from korea, HK and SHanghai. Had a very pleasant time with a SH girl. CBJ, CFS, massage, leisurely. Not a bad value for 12k - they want 18k. Prolly get them to 10k/45min not much problem. I didn't want to spoil it for the group by being a hard bargaining dick, so went halfway and paid 12 - the girl was very accomodating and GFE (enough for me anyways)3) Not many SW on the usual strolls. They have migrated towards Okubo station - prolly due to the cameras now on the street poles by the usual places near the Love Hotels. Walking back to Shinjuku - not much along the 'Nut Club' stroll by the hospital - the usual skanky suspects.Ciao
I'm coming to Tokyo in a few weeks and was hoping to make contact with a Japanese woman, non-pro, via email before I go. Does anyone have any good web sites, chat rooms, or message boards that are good for meeting non-pro, Japanese women?Thanks
Homer69 and Dog Jamm,Yes, you can catch things from DFK, but not much that you won't get eventually anyway by riding the Joban line full of coughers and hackers! Why DFK? To me, the experience is just not the same without it! A certain sensuality that is hard to describe. But I can understand that some don't find it all that important. To each, his own!But that raises a question. To me, the much over-used term "GFE" implies DFK as a matter of course. Is that the way most use that term on this board? If not, what DOES GFE mean? Please post your ideas about this, guys. It does help, I think, if we all agree on what the words mean, even if we have (inevitably) different ideas about what we want!
Jimbehr2000
05-11-04, 07:23
Etchy: I was just in Tokyo but didn't visit 21 on this trip. I posted some very precise directions a long time ago (others did also) but they are no longer in the archives. Here's what I remember. If I make any errors I hope someone else will correct them. Use the Hachiko exit at Shibuya Station. Cross the street and use the ?middle? street keeping Starbucks on your right side as you walk up the street. You?ll also see a HMV music store on that street. HMV will be on your right as you proceed up the street. Its 5 minutes walk to Seiki 21. Seiko 21 is on the left facing a Java coffee store. There used to be a hamburger place next door to the coffee shop. There is a sign on the outside with the number 21 recognizable. The rest of the sign is written in the local language. Use the elevator on the right side of a restaurant. 21 is on the 3rd floor.Utamaro is on the 4th floor of same building as Seiki 21. Pinnochio's is a 2 minute walk furthur up the street (away from Shibuya Station) on your right.
Henry Hentai
05-11-04, 16:53
Gentlemen,If any of you would be up for some nampa action this Thursday in Tokyo (and maybe next Thursday as well), send me a PM.I've been in Nihon for a while and have a good command of the language; however, the finer points of nampa still elude me. If you can share any pointers, that would be great. If not, that's cool too. Just have to master the art by doing it, I guess.Henry
JImBehr20,I think what I am enjoying most about this board is the response I get from my fellow hobbyists. Thanks for the info, actually got it PM`d to me as well. Headin to Shibuya tonight but think it is a Tower sort of day.Will post of my adventures.
For what it is worth,GFE should include DFK, DATY, FS, BBBJ, DIGITAL INSERTION, POTENTIALLY AF (Additional ??), message, and a thank you!Anything less would simply be an GE.
I agree with Etchy's description, although I doubt many GFs are willing to allow AF.AF is more of a PSE in my book.In addition, many real Japanese GF experiences may be rather quiet and submissive, but a good service provider may give a more vocal and exciting time.Of course, a JGF who gives a PSE and AF would be ideal.
Jimbehr2000
05-12-04, 04:58
You're welcome Etchy. Please post your adventures. Have heard about the Tower but I don't know what it is or how it works.
Etchy,I agree completely! As far as J-girls go, I got that from a fine, gorgeous Japanese stripper named Miko, at a strip club called the Market Cinema in San Francisco. She is REALLY Japanese, too, with very little English! But I have yet to get that kind of service--or anything even approaching, yet, here in Japan. I am still looking, though! I guess I just have not been here long enough yet!
I'm not that much into complete GFE with professionals but my understanding is that it includes some cuddling together after you shoot your load and not an immediate rise and clean up.Also, most professional services include cleaning you and your little guy up afterwards with hot towels or moist cloths and very few GF I've ever had will do that sort of thing.So, if GFE means you have to clean yourself up then I'm not really into that part, either.My personal perception of what GFE is with professional girls is that they will behave as if they care about you in an unhurried manner and show some mock affection for you. They will also act like they are really into it and enjoying it, too.What is not part of GFE with professional girls is the nagging and complaining that comes with real GF. ;-)>>Etchy said, "GFE should include DFK, DATY, FS, BBBJ, DIGITAL INSERTION, POTENTIALLY AF (Additional ??), message, and a thank you!"
Tower II Report,Well it was another trip to the Tower. This time brought with me a friend. The same gentleman was outside and when our eyes met there was little conversation but a quick ride up. It was a little late so opted for the 10K 40 min standard. Allowed my friend to take first choice (the gentlemen that I am) Yea right! And off he went. I was introduced to MoMo. Nice girl from Taiwan. Gents, she explained she had been in town only two days and juding from her lack of "smooth transition" she was telling me the truth. I decided that a little 69 was approrpriate. Now I do not usually DATY with providers but this one was still a little fresh and I was a little drunk. She obliged with little resistance. Nice ass and did not smell, as I had thought it might. Once done some missionary and then from behind. I would suggest that everyone get over there and partake of this gem in training before she is gone or becomes hardened to the whole scene. I would have to say this was a very pleasant experience. My friend has sworn to keep the Tower a thing between just us on the WSG as I do not want the Tower to dissapear again. Tower is in happenig. Again, the bar two doors down towards Tokyu is great 350 until 2100, open bar. I am thinkign of another visit to MoMo next as I still need more of it! Also, need to get down to Seki 21
Hi there! Glad to see you guys are enjoying 'the tower' I agree about keeping it discreet - it's already under alot of heat due the murder that happened from there last year. Actually what happened is that some japanese guy got obsessed withone of the girls on the other floor then kidnapped her. She eventually died in his apartment of abuse or neglect. He committed suicide the honorable japanese way - by jumping in front of the train. The girl was only 16 - Japanese. The news said it was because her parents were divorced and couldn't 'manage' her. I can only wonder - how many 'gaijiin' kidnap girls from japanese soaps? Maybe the signs on the tower should say 'No Japanese Allowed'. hehe.
For my first report, I want to inform about a sweet girl, which I met from AsianMystique who I had the pleasure of last week. The company have a web page listing their girls, they only have a few however, as a first try I was very pleased with the results. I booked her for a 2 hours session, we went straight to a hotel, chatting (in English) all the way there. After our general introductions and requirements were agreed we took a hot bath, and then moved to the bed for some hot action in a variety of positions. All the time she was very talkative and open as if we had known each other for months rather than minutues. The two hours soon went by, yet both of us were happy with our results.Body 8Looks 7GFE 9.5PM me for her name and web address (if you don't already know it!)
Hello!I dropped into Motown tonite - late. There were so many WG. Some very hot half latin/japanese. All asking around 30k ST - LT. Sure negotiation is possible. (the fat ugly guys were paying 30!) It's obvious and simple and maybe the nicest asses in Tokyo.For variety I would go to Koganecho - but if your are not japanese and looking for the simple f* late at nite - 12am - 2am. I can then suggest to check out this place. FYI - on thursdays it's great for freebies (office ladies, etc)Cheers,S
One more thing,The scene at Motown seems to be getting alot like the infamous Maggies in Beijing, so for those of you experienced in Maggies, it will seem very familiar. The bar 'tolerates' the many wg who you might think are just there having a great time, but the attention you will receive is just a litle more than the average bar goer. So, don't be shy! If a girl smiles at you in Motown, there's a good chance she is P4P! Please negotiate! Keep the prices down! These girls are mostly 'overstays' or 'tourist' so can't work the regular venues.Ganbatte!SEDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions to remove the multiple dashes throughout the text. To avoid delays in future reports, please consider using a comma to separate the phrases in your sentences. Thanks!
Soujourn,Can you tell us where Koganecho isi located? I'm staying in Rapongi. Is it near Motown or any other landmark I can steer by? I'll be asking locals for directions and don't speak Japanese, so any help you can provide would be appreciated.ThanksAnd thanks for the Thursday night tip!
Mount:Koganecho is in Yokohama, quite a ways from Roppongi. Search the archives here regarding how to get there. Basically, you need to get on a local Keihin Kyuko (Keikyu) train and get off at Koganecho or Hinodecho and walk under the tracks between those two stations.
Mount,I know you asked Soujourn however, Koganecho is not a bar/club though it is understandable why you thought it was. Koganecho is an area located in Yokohama and you can get more information regarding Koganecho/Hinodecho in the Yokohama section of this forum. FYI it is like the Amsterdam or 588 in Seoul where there are girls standing in front of small stall like shops with an upstairs service area. Check it out for quickies. Hope this clarifies things for you.Sailing
Member #3346
05-22-04, 06:42
You guys are awesome. Just got back from a trip to HK and Tokyo, and after reading and rereading the forums, I decided to check out Shibuya Sex Tower and Seiki 21. I went to Seiki 21 first. The directions made the place too easy to find. I went in early, checked out the pictures, and there was a hot Japanese chick, and the rest looked like 5-6's. I paid my money, and waited 20 minutes. I had to get a business appointment, so I got my money back and bolted. The girls looked cute, but only one would I put over a 6. I came back later that night and decided to go to the Tower. I went up to the 5th floor knocked on the door, there was no answer, but as I was going downstairs, a guy opened the door, said there was one girl, showed me a fake picture, and I was in. Paid 10K for 30 minutes, I was too nervous to bargain more, he took me to the room which was a massage table with some towels on it, small, but clean. Sent the girl in, Yumi, said she was from Shanghai, 27, 5'4, 105, slender, small B's, nice skin, average face, a little pooch in the middle with a c-section scar. Took me into the short standup shower, then back to the room. The shower was totally nasty, I thought I was at a homeless shelter with all the mildew in there. Back in the room, started in with a short BBBJ, then covered FS, diff positions, after I shot she massaged me for a while then it was over. L-7,S-7,A-7, wouldn't repeat.I was going home, then passed by Seiki again and decided to check out Utamaro. I went up, I asked the guy if he spoke English, he told me the price, and I got my beer and went to the booth. The girls ranged from 4-7. I didn't get any names. The first girl was a whale, cute face but weighed about 160, she slid on the bench, I figured what the heck, and she went to work, technique was solid, but I didnt' bust a nut. It was different feeling up a big girl because I would never do someone like her in an AMP. Next girl was more polished, more slender, average face, she had something cool in her mouth, didn't feel like ice, but she worked the head for a song then blew. I had a song to rest and wasn't sure if I would get a 3rd girl, so put my pants on, then another girl came in. She was a little bottom heavy, but nice on top, natural b's, cute face, and she looked just like a girl at work I've wanted to do for years. Her technique was the best, but I couldn't get off.I speak no Japanese at all, which I think was an advantage because the girls didn't waste any of my time making small talk, just cleaned me off and got down to business. I wish they were a little better looking. Is there a place that will service a non-Japanese speaking Asian that has better looking ladies? I thought the girls at Seiki might have looked a touch better, but not a whole lot.Also, is there a soapland that will service a non-Japanese speaker? I hear about ones that are Gaijin friendly, but some Gaijin speak better Japanese than a Japanese person. I mean a soapland that will take someone who will speak English only with semi-decent looking Nihonjin girls.You guys are the best,Q
Sailing,Thanks for clarifying that for me. I'm in Tokyo this week, and will probably be heading down to Ropangi to try to connect with a non-pro. I did last night, but it was with a girl I had met through Yahoo! If anyone is up for hitting Motown or any of the other bars with me let me know. I'm thinking probably Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday. Thanks
Hey fellas,Got a question for anyone who has faced this before. Met a few regular girls in Japan on my last trip and have invited them over one at a time to stay in my house for short vacations. A couple of them have told me that single women from japan traveling alone get the third degree from immigration about their reasons for coming here. I thought only citizens from poorer countries got this kind of treatment, but they swear it happens. They even talk about some website where Japanese people vent their frustrations about immigration hassles here. Can anyone recommend the best thing for her to say upon arrival? Should she just tell the truth that she is visiting a friend (male) and let the chips fall? Or should she say she will be at a hotel and visiting a japanese girlfriend who lives here? Any other ideas?Thanks fellas,Mikster
Mikster,Is this immigration hassling post-9/11 or pre-9/11. I know many single Japanese ladies who travelled to the US without any hassles but things may have changed after 9/11. My advice would be to just tell the truth, she's visiting a friend and to have your address and phone number to present to them if asked. You shouldn't have to specify the gender unless specifically asked. If you tell the truth you never have to remember what you said. There is no law against coming into the US to visit a friend, opposite sex or otherwise as far as I know. Japanese nationals do occasionally overstay their visits and become illegals in the US but it's far less frequent than those from other countries.
Mikster,From past experience, it is quite likely that a single girl from an Eastern European country, or from Asia will be questioned quite thouroughly. Immigration wants to be sure that the girl is here for legitimate purposes ( holiday, visiting friends or family ) and not here for a job, unless she has a work visa.If she has a return ticket and enough money to show that she will be able to survive for the duration of her trip, all should be fine. They will probably ask where or with whom she is staying. I suggest you send her a letter of invitation. Keep it light and don't suggest that you will pay her way or be responsible for her. Simply invite her to be a guest in your home while she is on vacation. Don't give the INS any reason to suspect that she is meeting a "rich American" and will never leave. She shouldn't panic and everything will be fine.I know that this sounds severe, but that's the way it is. They might not hassle her at all, but it is best to be prepared after flying halfway around the world. Feel free to ask any other questions that you might have.By the way, I will be in Tokyo from June 1 to June 9. I will be staying in Roppongi. Any tips from fellow travelers would be appreciated.Monet
She should just say she is a tourist, sightseeing. She shouldnt need to say anything else.
Mikster,You wrote:
Got a question for anyone who has faced this before. Met a few regular girls in Japan on my last trip and have invited them over one at a time to stay in my house for short vacations. A couple of them have told me that single women from japan traveling alone get the third degree from immigration about their reasons for coming here.Where is "here"? Which country are you talking about?V.
Member #1005
05-25-04, 12:40
In my experience Japanese tourists going to many other countries have one of the most liberal agreements when compared to foreign nationals entering Japan. I have never known of this or heard of this before and to be honest I would think the girl is either (a) exaggerating (b) never travelled overseas before (c) looks mixed or very Chinese, (as this is a typical rouse for Chinese to fly to Japan and use false documents to enter other countries claiming to be Japanese). But all the Japanese girls I know have no problems coming to visit me, even when they are between jobs, only my Thai friend gets the occasional grilling from the immigration and she?s a frequent flyer in a good job and fairly wealthy and remembers she?s visiting four or three countries when she does a trip.
A while back someone was asking about deriheru so I thought I would post my experience of Japanese and Korean ones.There are now large numbers of Japanese delivery services and if you can read Japanese you easily find them by searching "deriheru". Some are gaijin-oriented like club boo but most are targeted at Japanese. Either way the service is usually the same. After the girl arrives, you will decide the time period, typically 60 or 90 min. You then take a shower together, both mouthwash and gargle and go to bed and make out or whatever pleases you. This typically culminates in BBBJ to CIM. For the service to be legal in Japan FS has to forbidden but occasionally the girl may permit or even prefer this. AF is also legal but it is rarely offered.When you dial into a Japanese deriheru, you will usually speak to one of a team of Japanese guys manning the phones. In general they are not keen to have gaijin customers and will usually politely tell you they don't serve foreigners. However I've found if you speak your politest Japanese to them, calling the same place a few times you can sometimes hit on a guy who will allow you in. Once you've used them once and your phone number is recorded, even though you may be initially rebuffed, when they find you on the database you're fine. On the websites you can usually see pictures of the girls that are available. Some sites are not clear at all so I've only used those with good pictures. When using the Japanese sites, the girl that has arrived has always been the one from the picture. There's still some pot luck involved and the girl may be slightly more or less attractive than she appears in the picture. Still I've mostly been very pleased and would rate most as 8 or even 9. In general, they're really sweet girls, students or furita making extra cash. By the way, on the subject of gfe, I would agree with the guy who said dfk is key. For me it's not really exciting without it. Fortunately most girls have been up for that and only a few hold their mouths firmly closed. Maybe there's some health risk but so far I never caught anything I think and it's really no fun without it. Obviously it's not a nice thought if she's just blown someone else so I always take only the first reservation of the day. (You can see the time she starts work on the website.) Overall, I have had some awesome experiences with some gorgeous girls.My experience of the Korean sites has been very different. These sites have many pictures of really beautiful girls but sadly these have only been scanned from magazines. No matter who you choose, a random girl will get sent over. The two times I have tried, this has happened. The girls were really not much good in both cases like a 5 or 6. In both cases the end was FS with condom rather than BBBJCIM. I don't recommend using them.I hope this has been useful.
Avanti,Nice report. Could you post the websites for the deliheru you've used? Or could you private message them to me?Really appreciate it.
Hi there! This is an information report for those interested in where to get quality medical care in Tokyo by english speaking doctors. I highly reccomend the following from personal and referred experiences:1) International Clinic - Address 1-5-9 Azabudai, Minato-ku Telephone 03-3583-7831 By Appointment Website www.members.aol.com/draksenoff . This doctor is quite a legend in Tokyo. Old fashioned but always up to date. The friendly 'family doctor' environment. I've had some travelling associated bugs that he diagnosed and took care of perfectly. His diagnosis was exactly in line with my 'high tech' stateside physican.2) Akasaka International Clinic - Tokai Akasaka Bldg. 3F, 3-16-11, Akasaka, Minato-ku Telephone 03-5570-2288 Language English, Spanish, Tagalog By appointmentWebsite www.e-doctor.ne.jp/aic This clinic is modern, well staffed and professionally run. They also specialize in internal medicine and urology - so pertinent if you end up with a 'gift that keeps on giving'.Both locations are less than 10min walk from associated stations and the directions are indicated on their websites. Also - the reception staff speaks english as well as Japanese. This posting is simply a reflection of my personal opinion and I'm not trying to endorse or qualify any medical establishment. Just re-posting information that is available from other websites and private experience. I can say that it's really great when you can walk into a medical facility and be treated promptly, correctly and efficiently! I've had some bizarre experience in asian clinics - if you watched 'Lost in Translation' you'll get a gentle gist of the situation. Or if you've travelled extensively as I have, you'll know exactly what I mean!Cheers,
Hello,I'm new here and I have a problem with jap women. I believe it is the regular or the Pros gookieshas. You see, I'm Asian, and I noticed that most of these gookieshas are more friendly to either Caucasians or Black Americans, but unless you are a Very Rich Asian Guy, you are pretty much outa Luck.I am not that rich. Although I am Asian-American (not of Japanese ancestry though) I am so frustrated that I could not get hooked up w/ regular jap women and I have to spend ALL my hard-earned money on Pro gookieshas.Anyways, the reaon I am venting my frustration is that my buddies black and white and there is a couple of them Score easily with the regular gookieshas, just by BS! Like crazy! w/o spending all that YEN. I even bragged that coz I'm "Asian" I will have the better of it, but I was proven wrong primarily because of the preferential GOOKIESHAS!I am resigned to the fact that most of these gookieshas believe in the Myth of the Big Dick. No problem. I am not that small either, but I think that Discrimanation and Myths get the better of me.What do you guys think?
Actually 2 of my best friends are mixe -asian, look more asian than not, don't speak ANY japanese and get laid ALOT ! So Idon't think it makes alot of difference about your race - of course some girls wanna taste 'the strange' - and guys, too. But for most Japanese - they actually prefer to be with 'their own'. Look at the hostess clubs, soaps, etc - they are largely off limits to gaijiin. I speak better japanese, been here longer and more aware of the culture than some of my japanese-euro buddies and guess what? They get let right into the primo places! As for suggestions - hit the Nanpa forum right here and learn all about scoring with j-girls on their home turf! Ganbatte kudesai!
Vice Squad
06-03-04, 06:30
Even in Japan, Japanese women are not the only game in town. There are so many women in this world that you really can't afford to get hung up over any that aren't with the program.
New Kid,Just my humble opinion, but it may be your attitude. I've been here for the better part of 34 years and if you treat them like a lady, (pro or amateur) they'll respect it. The phrases "jap women"and "gookieshas" are not only offensive to them, but to me. I have several asian friends (nisei, sansei, Korean, Chinese etc.) that have had great success with both pro and amateur woman here, just by treating them right. Bragging that you're Asian isn't going to help (my guess is they're smart enough to notice it). Try places like Gas Panic in Yokohama, a girl in a Soapland in Yokohama told me she goes there regular and enjoys taking guys home on her off nights---go figure. Also Roppongi is a place you may be able to score if you want to stick with amateurs, just treat them like a lady.Happy Hunting,Asia Nut
Lazarus_Long
06-03-04, 16:53
I don't think it's the myth of the big dick as much as Japanese are racist towards other Asians, and have some bizzare complex vs. other races. That just makes the odds longer against finding an open minded woman. Good luck, it's not impossible though, I have known several Asian guys who have learned the ins and outs and learned how to score well in the game.At the same time if you're Asian you have the advantage that if you learn a smattering of Japanese, you can probably fake your way into many of the interesting pay for play establishments that would never let us in.We non-Asians are locked out of many of those opportunities, even if like myself, we speak fluent Japanese.And uh, what's this gookiesha term?
Blue Sky Molka
06-03-04, 21:25
New Kid,I'm sorry that you have not had a good experience so far with Japanese women pro and non-pro. But to blame that on you being Asian is simplistic and not fair to these women. Like you, I am also Asian American (Chinese.) I've lived in Japan for 6 years in the past, I go to Japan on business several times a year, and I live in a US city with a high Japanese National population as well as a major destination for Japanese tourists.From my experience, I have not had major problems hooking up. I have been lucky with touists, J-women that live here, and the ones I've met in Japan. Don't get me wrong, there's been plenty misses but I've had my share of hits too. By the way, I am not a super rich or even a rich person. Not all J women like caucasian or black men. There are many that like Asians better. Maybe you have been looking in the wrong places. Have you tried going to pubs or clubs that cater to mainly Japanese? Not much help but just my 2 cents.
Black women, in general, sometimes avoid looking at me when I'm walking on the street. I also get looks from caucasian women (mostly a smile as to say hello) ,But I've always wondered why do asian women stare? I've had it happen to me a few times! Here's an example..I was in a record store not to long ago buying a couple of CD's as well as listening to a couple of tunes. I happened to look my right and saw an lovely asian woman also listening to music. I didn't pay much attention to it but, when I looked to my left out of the corner of my eye, I noticed she was staring at me with no experession on her face. I find it odd when they do this.Another example...I was in a library checking my E-mails, and across from me was a Asian woman of either Chinese, Korean, or Japanese decent. Agian, lovely features et all. While checking my E-mails, she was staring at me with no experession on her face. I had thought I'd done something wrong, but I paid it no mind. I wanted to say hello, but I didn't know what to do!What would you guys have done in a situation such as the ones I've experienced?. This pretty much goes for Asian women overall...By the way, I'm African-American:)Itte rasshaiMeatMan
Lubricate It
06-04-04, 22:54
Meat ManWhat you should have done is pack up and leave, but as you walk out, hand her a small slip of paper containing your email adress. You could say "I think you dropped this" or something like this as you hand her the paper.
They are just fantasizing and wondering if you are "Dangerous", maybe you should get a shirt that says "not dangerous".Now how are you dressed? Are you dressed rap style like the Shibuya brothers or casual. I know a girl that told me when she was younger she lived in Shibuya and was approached constantly by black men asking for her phone number and demanding a date in an aggressive manner and with fairly good success. You can see it when you walk around there. Maybe the girls are wondering why you are not doing that.
Endowed,Now why would I be dangerous? I wouldn't hurt a fly(unless provoked) I've been told I'm a sweetheart and I'm mostly the quiet type. The so-called Shibuya Brothers? I can't deal with them becuse they don't know the plight of what it's like being a African-American from "da hood" going through lifes struggles jst being black!As far as I'm concerned, there all wanna be's. I'm much too deep for em! As for how I dress? I don't give off the vibe of a rap star, I'm 36! but I sure as heck talk the "lingo"Lube,As strange as it may sound, that sounds like a good idea!I think a lot of the stereotypes that exist, come about through ignorance. The only time asians see African-Ameican people are on TV where most of the time they're playing sports, making music, comdeians or thugs. To be honest, it wouldn't make good viewing if they showed all the successful black lawyers, doctors and politicians on televisionI think the views that some asians have are unfortunate but it depends upon the situation in which the person is surrounded. If you'd ever asians other than in the movies doing martial arts, would your perception of orientals would be the same?Sorry for ranting let get back to the subject..SEX!MeatMan
Meat manWith 778 posts I am not going to invite you on a blind date with my sister, that?s for sure !What I mean by dangerous is that the J girls usually term anything unknown to be "dangerous", if you remove the dangerous from their perception somehow, then you will have more success.En~
Lost in Gotanda,I went to Gotanda to check out a session show (music) invited by a drunk chick I met somewhere else. Anyways -- went to the club and the show was great. Got to sit in between no less than 5 mid 30's j-girls. Can you say success is sweet? However, the real news of this post is that as I was walking to the gig I was approached by no less than 3 female touts to esutes and soaps. All offered 'honban' (sex). Also - several ASW along the streets winking and beckoning. Check out Gotanda, my friends, Tokyo still has its sleaze. Directions - West Exit and then walk around the area close to the tracks (heading west). I didn't partake because I was duely occupied by a new 'friend'.
Shibuya Sex Tower - NOT! I stopped in here looking for a good massage and extras. They only had 2 girls working, neither of which I knew. I chose the 'Shanghai' girl who the tout said should give good massage. Her name is MiMi (file it in case you go there).Massage - pretty well sucked. Consisted of random back walking and totally unskilled manipulation.Extras - she wanted more money which I refused and she confirmed w/mama~san that I was indeed VIP so she better do her job! As for that -- she was worse at extras than the massage! Complained I was too big, painful even if I let her do all the work and on top of that continued to urge me to cum. All in all - I finished my shower and talked to the manager and got a 50% refund.Anyways - what used to be a great scene is simply not worth it. Even for the benefit of the doubt. Just too many other places for same and better prices to get alot better service. My personal blacklist:Shinjuku - HinoMaru - due to foul smelling girls and the last time I was there the chick actually bled on me! Damn! This is a potential disease dump if there ever was one.Shinjuku - Any chinese esute near the Koma theatre. For every success of good service, expect about 10 bad ones.Shibuya - Sex Tower. Now is a shadow of its former glory. Has fallen to the norm of Chinese esute behavior featuring largely unattractive, pushy, unskilled women.Shibuya - Century 21. I used to like this place, but most of the great girls have left and in their place are over weight, lackluster and poor performers. Karen who <still> claims to be 19 after how many years, is one of the highlights if only because she can prattle on in english and her tits are nice. If you are gonna have a 'one shot' night, then she will not be the one you want to fluff you! Go upstairs to the Utamaru place (3girls in 40min) It's really no better, but the variety is interesting. I did get an STI there (NSU) So I put it immediately on my blacklist, too.If it's your first time in Tokyo and you need to get something then each of these places may give you some basic relief. But for better service and fun I suggest spending more effort on either nanpa with regular chicks or Koganecho in Yokohama.S
Traveler X
06-08-04, 06:20
New Kid,I'm Asian American as well, and I think you should take a step back and realize you have a big advantage in Japan too. Your chances on picking up a girl are way better than the average Japanese there. Caucasians do have an initial advantage over me in that my friends will get approached by women more often, but that advantage is eclipsed if you have game. The difference between caucasians and asians at nampa are small compared to the difference between caucasians who are good at nampa and those who suck at it. If you keep focusing on comparing yourself with others, you won't be able to focus on your goal.You started by saying you have a problem with jap women. If you start your nampa thinking this way, you're bound to fail again and again. What you need is the irrational belief that you WILL succeed, and that's the first stemp to nampa.And there's nothing wrong for paying for pros when you can nampa. I got sick of it in Japan when I realized how much time and sleep I lost even when I succeeded. And unless you're looking for a longterm girlfriend, with nampa you are always choosing between quality and quantity. So either you're lowering your standards or you're spending a lot of time going for a few quality ladies.
Have been reading the posts here for about the lasts 2 years & this will be my first post. Really want to read Ambassadors's account of AF with the married chick & so have decided to become a member & post.My Oasis: Tachikawa on the Chuo Line.I discovered Tachikawa about a year ago & have since refused to ever go back to 21 or Utamaro or Hinomaru.Tachikawa has over 20 pink salons on both the north & south side of the station. I have been refused entry at about half of them because I am a Gaijin. But have had great luck with the remaining places.There are so many places in Tachikawa that I am not going to post directions or names, but will give you a couple tips on how to recognize them. Any sign with flashing lights is a salon, usually the opening hours & prices are posted & usually in bold, removable lettering the current price. Most are open from noon, some from 3pm. A lot of the have San(3)-Kyu(9) discount times. 3900 for 1/2 an hour. Once there even was a 2900 yen happy hour special. Great Value!I have never requested a girl, always have said "free" or "omakase"(your recommendation) & have never been dissapointed. The girls out in Tachikawa are between 18 & 25 & gorgeous & 100% Japanese. Many of them are country girls who live even further west & Tachikawa is Tokyo enough for them & have heard many said they won't work in Shinjuku or Shibuya because it is scary. Have had FS over 10 times, have received a few keitai numbers now.Once again, you will never find more beautiful women. One girl said she has a part time job as a dancer at events at Velfarre & don't know if anyone here has been to Velfarre, but the girls on stage are fantastic & you are lucky if they look at you at Velfarre, but here she was looking up into my eyes while she was giving me a wonderful, warm, wet BBBJ.Once I had to wait & was in a waiting room looking at some adult magazines laying around, next thing you know cover girl is saying how happy she is to be with me & how much she likes gaijins & how she has dated a few military boys. Apparently Yokota is nearby. She said her boyfriend dumped her after seeing her on the cover of this magazine.Once a cutey dressed in pajamas asked me to stay as my 1/2 hour wasn't up yet & gave me seconds.Maybe I've just been lucky in Tachikawa, but I really do think with just a learning a little Japanese & a gentleman attitude you can have a great time, sometimes only for 2900yen.Enjoy Tachikawa!Now Ambassador, can I get that PM of your accout with the married women.Hi, This is just a suggestion, so please don't take it the wrong way. I appreciate the details in your report, but I know from experience that a lot of people find it easier to read a report if the paragraphs are separated by a single blank line. I know how this happens: You're banging away at the keyboard, putting your thoughts into the report as fast as you can write them. However, if you could hit the return key TWICE at the end of each paragraph, your report would be much easier to read, which would certainly be appreciated by your fellow Forum Members. Thanks, Jackson
Timelines:Thank you for the Tachikawa heads-up. Are there touts around or are you just walking into these places and checking them out?
Timelines,Thanks for the report on Tachikawa. It is the first I have heard of that area. Do any of those places have web pages?It looks like a relatively short train ride from Shinjuku. I will have to check it out when I get back to Tokyo.V.
The only website for a place I know of in Tachikawa is a place where they turned me down.But will give you basic directions:The Salons are on both sides of the stations. North & South exits. & when you get out of the staions head towards the right if you leave the north exit & left if you leave the south exit. There are so many & I've seen some close & some new places open. There are a couple in this Castle looking building on the north side of the station (you can see it from the tracks). There are 5 places right behind the Wins horse race building on the south side of the station & the best place with 4 salons in one building (there are touts outside this place trying to get you to come to their floor): leave the north exit & turn right (heading back to Shinjuku) stay along the tracks until you come to the first underpass that takes you to the south side of the station. Take the underpass & go about 50 meters & there is a building on the corner with lots of joy inside.
Haven`t posted for a while as I have been going to the party almost exclusively and been busy with the girls I have met from the parties. Was even able to hook up a buddy with one of the hotter ones though she was not what I would call inexpensive but definitely fun to be with.I was asked to call several out call places for another friend who wanted to have a girl delivered to his place. What I have learned is that the FS places are mainly 30 K and up, that some also charge a gaijin fee of 10K though some can be talked out of the charge if they are slow that day. I was able to get that deferred because the girl they had posted as available that day was not available and if I couldn`t get that girl I was not interested blah, blah. blah and they dropped the delivery fee of 5k and gaijin fee of 10 K. One of the places I called for my buddy was charging 55k for 2 hours. The girl was cute and fun according to him.I am in Tachikawa on Wednesday evening from 8pm. If anyone is interested in checking out the places with me drop me a PM and we can check it out together. BTY I am fluent in Japanese and can pass for Japanese in most situations.Sailing
AsianMystiqueSpent the weekend in Tokyo, I tried the Nampa venue on Friday night and was out until 5 am without success. On Saturday I talked to a few girls but gave up at 1 AM, and gave AsianMystique a call. The web site quoted 35,000 for 2 hours, and I chose a girl off the web with the name of Yukie. I picked her up i the lobby of my hotel and when I saw I knew that I would not be dissappointed. She was a very classy woman and very intelligent also. We went to my room where we got aquainted and talked about everything. After a while we showered together and got down to business. This girl had remarkable talents. Kissing and Kissing all over your body. It was just an incredible experince. Some that I had not seen before. She performed a Semi-BBBJ and moved on to a CBJ which was still very good. Normally I don't dine, but she had put some cherry flavored lotion on, that I could not resist. FS was performed in any postition you desired, but I could not last so long because she was very very good at what she was doing. If you are looking for the ultimate GFE she can provide it too you. Even after the short time we had known each other. I felt I had know her for yers. If all the grils from asianmystique are that way. I can say they are worth every bit of the 35,000 Yen I spent, and would do it again. I was not disppointed at all.
I was browsing the web and came across a place in Shibuya call L/S. Their homepage is in English. I have not visited the place but looks like it is Gaijin friendly with all of the information translated in English. Send me email and I will send you the address if you are interested.Tokyo Joe
What a great place! I managed to get Goto in my room - check http://www.l-s66.com/ - and I can tell that although she is only 20 yo, she was fantastic. Did BBBJ without any problems, full GFE experience. She knows how to move her body with and without any clothes on. She smells like roses, cute face, lovely skin, great ass. She made me cum twice in 45 mins (14K only) for such a great experience. If you want, go directly to 1-chome, Dogenzaka, Shibuya.Planning to be back in Japan in two weeks, any other recommended websites to visit?
Hino redux. I tried the HinoMaru shop in Ikebukero having blacklisted the Shinjuku one. It opens at 3pm until midnight or 1am. Took a little convincing to the doorman I was 'ok' - I even showed him a girl's ticket from the Shinjuku location. After that he let me in warmly and served some drinks. I asked for any girl because it was my first time here. The girl I got was older, maybe mid 30's, but attractive , slim and nice body. We chatted a bit then got right to business. Very nice bbbj and lots of finger action. My guess is that FS is possible, but you might have to choose the girl and pay a little extra. Difference from Shinjuku:1) Smaller but still the funky red 70's disco theme2) The love seats are cloth instead of vinyl (yey)3) Seats are lower and you can see around easily - but still some feeling of privacy.4) No english spoken or written anywhere - so you should have some basic Japanese skills. Mine are very basic and I did ok, though.I'll return again to check it out and see what kind of mileage is available.Directions - Ikebukuro - West Exit.Walk to the 0101 store and turn right.Go across the mainstreet and into the little streets for 1 blockIt's on the corner - you can't miss all the blinking lights and famous Hinomaru Red colors.
Rodmanj,I too have used the services of Asianmystique and have been very satisfied. My report is down in the archives. I think that this particular group have got their act together and know exactly what the average gaijin is looking for, and delivers it at a good price.P Q
Ambassador
06-16-04, 07:26
Thanks for the info, Timelines. I hadn't heard from you, but had heard from one or two others who popped out of the woodwork wanting to read my extended dance version Word file of my AFF "chance encounter". PM me with your private email address if you want me to send a copy. It's way too long for me to PM it to you.BTW, I looked up Tachikawa at the Fuzoku Town page and found three pink salons listed, two had really decent coupon deals, but don't know if they let us foreign monsters in or not. If anyone heads out there (Sailing, I think you said you were going there today, Wednesday?) please by all means do report to us. I have been in the Tachikawa area (when I say "area", it usually means within 500 meters of the station!) several times. The south side Doutor has a lot of character (and characters); I just recently discovered the north side is fairly nice and there is some great "scenic viewing" to be had in the Excelsior. (Hey, you know what they say about it not costing anything to look at the menu :) Haven't been to Tachikawa in a while, but just writing about it makes me want to go. Anybody got any basic info about the area? My impression (and it is only that), is that, with the military being so close Westerners aren't real welcome there. I just say that from vibes I picked up. However, it seems to have more than its share of old money, which I prefer to the new money sorts any day of the week.
Another world of mongering: Couple Kissas & Happening Bars (aka Swinger Clubs)Difference between Couple Kissas & Happening Bars are that a Couple Kissa you must go as a couple. A Happening Bar is where single men are allowed.Happening Bars have really taken off in the past couple years & are sometimes reported in the tabloids, gossip shows, etc. I actually know the man who coined the phrase Happening Bar. I've been going to Happening Bars & Couple Kissas for almost 4 years now & will dedicate this report to HBs (Happening Bars)I've seen other Gaijins at HBs & so maybe some of you gentlemen are also attending?Will go through the basic steps with attending a HB. Am posting several recommended sites with maps, etc.All places are discreet with just a basic sign with the name of the club & usually something like "Members Only". Most look just like an apartment from the outside. Ring the intercom & say Dansei, Hitori desu. (Single male), they will usually ask if it's your first time. The Master or Mama will come out & talk to you & you will pay then. First a Membership fee (5000-10000 depending on the place) & then an entrance fee (again 5000 to 10000) So for the first time a trip to a HB can cost 20000. Membership is life so after visits will only be the entrance fee, unless there is a big event. You may have to fill out a form (fake name/ number is fine) Never have had to show ID.Next the Master or Mama will give you a tour & explain the rules. Drinks are free all night. Sometimes the Master will go around & introduce you to everyone.Then it's just finding a partner & enjoying the night. Sex is not guaranteed, but every time I have gone I have had FS with at least 1 lady, once with 9 ladies in a 6 hour period.Being alone & Gaijin will be to your advantage sometimes & sometimes not. Everyone there is there to have sex & so there is nothing to be shy about, just finding someone you are compatible with. A lot of times the master will help me find a partner & introduce me to people.The setup is usually a bar & lounge where everyone chats & gets to know each other & where the initial petting, kissing, BJs take place & then usually you will move to the play room for FS. The play room is more private, but they usually have that glass where people can see you, but you can't seem them. Condoms & lotions are usually provided in the play room. The Play is usually off limits to single men unless you go in with a lady, in other words you can't just go in & watch unless invited for a 3some, 4some or orgy. The lounge usually is free for all, like if a couple is having sex you might be able to feel her up & get a BJ or more. Full on orgies can take place in the lounge areas.Some basic rules: Be friendly & a nice guy. If someone says to stop, please do stop. Go with the flow, if there are games going on, join in. Keep in mind that you are the single male & a lot of guys have come to the club with a partner. Thank the boyfriend/husband after you have played with his partner. & generally speaking it would be quite rude I think to turn down an offer from a lady to play. & condoms are a must for FS. Don't ask too many personal questions, people are secretly coming to these clubs. Thank the Master when you leave, he usually is the one to make things happen & unless he likes you & respects you, you probably won't have a good time. The people who go to HBs are usually married couple bored with their day to day sex & need some excitement, I have had husbands ask me to have sex with their wife while they watch. Sometimes the couples are older. But sometimes there are 18, 19 yrs old who just can't get enough sex. Once saw a young girl get doggy from every guy in the club, about 15 guys! Because I am a Gaijin a lot of times there is the pressure to perform for everyone, so have had many 3somes, 4somes, etc. My favorite & the one that I've been to many time now is Le Grand Blue http://www.lgb.co.jp in Shinjuku. Website has details. The master here speaks basic English & is quite friendly. Have had many many good times. A little bit old though, but heard they are doing a renewal. Grand Blue has a sister bar in Roppongi called Heat http://www.heat-r.com Similar to Shinjuku, a lot of dress up costumes. Have seen Gaijin men & women here. Quite friendly & cozy.Lock69 is another HB in Roppongi. http://www.roppongi69.jp Probably the biggest & most famous HB in Japan. Very posh & nice, waiters are in tux & bunny girls, etc. The people that go here are quite upper class & can be cold. Lots of very beautiful women in evening gowns. But I think the couples that come here, many of the ladys are hired escorts. But again I've never been disappointed.Purety in Shinjuku. http://www.mysteria-purety.com This place is very cozy & enjoyable. You take off your shoes & it like walking into someones apartment. There usually is a large staff & the master will make sure you are happy. Like if no one is playing with you, he will send one of his staff over to play with.Hope this has been a help. Please enjoy
Timelines,What was the approximate boy-to-girl ratio at those places (for example: Le Grand Blue)? I'm thinking of giving it a try..SM
I recently called Asian Mystique and met one of their new girls. I have to agree with the other guys who posted. I had such a good time I forgot it was a service. Kudos to "Dave" at AM!
After reading Timelines report, I surfed around the sites he listed and eventually found this: http://www.interq.or.jp/hot/dream/This place seems very interesting. Does anybody know anything about this place?
Henry Hentai
06-20-04, 04:56
Stoops,I've been to that place a few times... basically, you go in there, and as part of the sign-up process they have you fill in a report with info about yourself, what kind of woman you're after, as well as a little blurb introducing yourself... they also attach your picture to it. Then they send you to small cubicle where you sit around and wait. Meanwhile your report gets posted up on a board, and any chick on premises that reads your report and likes it can come over to your cubicle and hang out with you. Presumably what goes on after that is up to you.I went there a total of 5 or 6 times, stuck around for a total of 10 hours, maybe? Met several chicks, some of them quite sexy, but it never got any further than that, nor did I manage to convince them to head on outside the premises for some extracurricular activities. The things is, the girls that go there receive enticements from the owners, such as gifts etc... and basically I think that is why they go there, and not really to get laid. It's a bit of a fishy incentive system they've set up there.They whole setup is sexually suggestive, but I am not so sure that a whole lot goes on in there... It's an opportunity to chat with a few different chicks every time you go there (provided that there are enough of them to go around, which is not always the case), but honestly I am not sure how feasible it is to go beyond that; it almost ends up being like going to a hostess bar, with amateurs doing the hostessing. By the way, just about every chick I met there did not speak any English, so be ready to bust out some Japanese if you do choose to sign up to this gig.In short, if I were you I would give this place a pass... the places Timelines describes are clearly much more geared for sex and such, whereas Dream sells itself as such but does not deliver. to me they sound a lot more interesting.If you do decide to go, let us know how it turns out. Cheers,Henry
In answer to some questions regarding HB'sGuy to Girl ratio: Depends on the place & time. Everytime has been different. Generally though there are more guys than girls. Many of the girls do come with partners so it can end up 2 guys to 1 girl. But most HBs single women get in for free. So a few times it's almost been like a harem. I've talked to quite a few women there & for many it's just a part of their life now. After a stressed day at work, they pop in for a couple drinks & if they find someone they fancy, they'll play & catch the last train home. Recommended Bar: Le Grand Blue is my favorite. Purety is nice & the Master there I think tries to guarantee that everyone has a good time.Stage Fright: It has happended to me quite a few times & I have been very embarassed. Not only are you dissapointing the girl, but all the people who are wanting to see a good "show". Once I could not get it up & this sweet, gorgeous girl told me to do her "nama" (raw) & that helped. But advise not to drink too much or take the blue pill for extra precaution.Dream Report by Stoops (http://www.interq.or.jp/hot/dream/):Highly unrecommended. Very few if any women there. No Sex allowed on the premises, just a place to meet girls (many who are actually working girls & who will then ask for 30-50000 to be taken to a Hotel. You pay 10000 yen entry & then 4000 an hour to leave very frustrated.Japanese Speaking ability: Of course the more you speak the better, but then again, sometimes it's just a free for all & a just a nod of the head or a wink will do. Grand Blue has these Friday Night dance where they turn off the lights & play fast music & the girls dancing on the floor want anyone & everyone.Good luck & anyone who does get a chance to go, woulld love to see your report here.
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