Finding wealthy women in Cebu

[QUOTE=GregLondon; 1239599]I think the issue is that 90% of the posts in this forum are from people who have been living in Cebu or visiting many times.

I can't see any reason for those in such a situation to bother to visit a bar in Cebu which as far as I can see are all dingy, disappointing and way overpriced,

The action in Cebu is almost entirely in the freelancer / non pro scene. If you want bar reviews I suspect we need some newbie or infrequent viitors to step forward.[/QUOTE]I've been trying to find an upscale bar while I've been here. I don't mean anything in Ayala, I don't consider these bars. Or the pumping discos or the girlie bars, I mean a nice upscale bar where the wealthier girls would go to mingle but guessing that's not the thing to do here.

I went to voodu last night and the crossroads complex. Voodu is a club though, it's ok, it's loud and was expecting to see lots of trendy filipina here but alas I thought I was in seoul again. I was the only westerner in there and there were 2 filipina that I could see at around 12:30am, the other 99% korean.

I was bored early on so I went to arena only bc I wanted to have a look as I've read about it on many forums. Korean again but a shitload of girls. Must have been over 100 easily. Had one beer and left

IT Park, loft is closed for renovations. There are a few resto / bars in the 'walk' but again more 'take a date here' type thing. I did pick up a 22yr old as I was crossing the street the other night, invited her for a bite to eat and easy from there.

Still searching for a nice 'bar' though

[QUOTE=TravelSessions;1240014]I've been trying to find an upscale bar while I've been here. I don't mean anything in Ayala, I don't consider these bars. Or the pumping discos or the girlie bars, I mean a nice upscale bar where the wealthier girls would go to mingle but guessing that's not the thing to do here. [SNIP] Still searching for a nice 'bar' though[/QUOTE]You want to hookup with wealthier more upscale girls? Why? Most guys come to the Philippines for the average filipina who gives great GFE. My advice, stay well away from any "upscale wealthier girls" as you call them. I do not know of any upscale bars where they all gather. Most want to blend in and look average. They justifiably fear robbery and kidnapping, they do not like to stand out.

First any girls that qualify will most likely be Chinese-Filipina or richer 100% Filipina. They come from well connected families that live a life of luxury compared to the average person. The family will not take kindly to the girl getting into a relationship with anyone else but another guy from a well connected family. You will have to work very hard to get close to one, and the ones who might be open to date a foreigner they want a ring and marriage not just promises and you must be young and GWAPO. Keep in mind it's not out of the question for the father of the girl to search just who you are and what kind of past you have.

If you do manage to find a wealthier girl to date it most likely will end badly for you. Either you had to lie to her to get her into bed, and she wakes up to realize you are seeing other girls and she is blazing mad, or her family finds out about you and they are blazing mad. No matter what at the very least you are on the next plane out of the Philippines, all they need to do is make a call. These families have extensive connections and you are just a grain of sand to them. They CAN and WILL make sure you end up far far away never to come back again.

"Up to you sir" to use the old saying, but you play with fire getting involved with a young filipina socialite.

You could try at Harrolds, Sky Bar it is more upscale. Also the Blue Bar at the roof top in Marco Polo, or the pool side bar, as well at Marco polo, but Thursdays to Saturdays.

[quote=stroker ace88; 1240062]you want to hookup with wealthier more upscale girl? why? most guys come to the philippines for the average filipina who gives great gfe. my advice, stay well away from any "upscale wealthier girls" as you call them. i do not know of any upscale bars where they all gather. most want to blend in and look average. they justifiably fear robbery and kidnapping, they do not like to stand out.

first any girls that qualify will most likely be chinese-filipina or richer 100% filipina. they come from well connected families that live a life of luxury compared to the average person. the family will not take kindly to the girl getting into a relationship with anyone else but another guy from a well connected family. you will have to work very hard to get close to one, and the ones who might be open to date a foreigner they want a ring and marriage not just promises and you must be young and gwapo. keep in mind it's not out of the question for the father of the girl to search just who you are and what kind of past you have.

if you do manage to find a wealthier girl to date it most likely will end badly for you. either you had to lie to her to get her into bed, and she wakes up to realize you are seeing other girls and she is blazing mad, or her family finds out about you and they are blazing mad. no matter what at the very least you are on the next plane out of the philippines, all they need to do is make a call. these families have extensive connections and you are just a grain of sand to them. they can and will make sure you end up far far away never to come back again.

"up to you sir" to use the old saying, but you play with fire getting involved with a young filipina socialite.[/quote]good advice i did not even bother reply his post as going to arena and asking to meet wealthier girls is just crazy talk. the girls who are "wealthier girls" do not want to be compared to prostitutes. it also one of those things if you have to ask you will never know. did he tell the 22yo he met to go arena with him?

i wonder why guy like him even bother asking these types of questions with isg forums there is so much information here, one is tempted to send him to a gay bar and to tell him to ask for a gay i know to open the secret door to such hidden bar, and to tell the same gay a guy who likes to be raped will met him and ask about a secret door. it would be so easy.

oh the bar has free wifi

[QUOTE=Stroker Ace88; 1240062]You want to hookup with wealthier more upscale girls? Why? Most guys come to the Philippines for the average filipina who gives great GFE. My advice, stay well away from any "upscale wealthier girls" as you call them. I do not know of any upscale bars where they all gather. Most want to blend in and look average. They justifiably fear robbery and kidnapping, they do not like to stand out.

First any girls that qualify will most likely be Chinese-Filipina or richer 100% Filipina. They come from well connected families that live a life of luxury compared to the average person. The family will not take kindly to the girl getting into a relationship with anyone else but another guy from a well connected family. You will have to work very hard to get close to one, and the ones who might be open to date a foreigner they want a ring and marriage not just promises and you must be young and GWAPO. Keep in mind it's not out of the question for the father of the girl to search just who you are and what kind of past you have.

If you do manage to find a wealthier girl to date it most likely will end badly for you. Either you had to lie to her to get her into bed, and she wakes up to realize you are seeing other girls and she is blazing mad, or her family finds out about you and they are blazing mad. No matter what at the very least you are on the next plane out of the Philippines, all they need to do is make a call. These families have extensive connections and you are just a grain of sand to them. They CAN and WILL make sure you end up far far away never to come back again.

"Up to you sir" to use the old saying, but you play with fire getting involved with a young filipina socialite.[/QUOTE]I liked reading yours, correct advice. Yeh, dangerous ground. Guy requesting info on that needs to come down out of the clouds before he finds himself 6 feet under.

Why would a wealthy Filipino woman be interested in a foreigner? Wealthy Filipino women do not need us, full stop!

[QUOTE=Stroker Ace88;1240062]If you do manage to find a wealthier girl to date it most likely will end badly for you.[/QUOTE]Based on what experience? I have had two girls from very strong clans in Davao, as well as one from an old but not super rich family (nowadays) , and all was fine. I still have contact with two of these three. Never had problems with their families and never felt that they where the psychotic revenge seeking protectionists that they are described to be sometimes.

There are all kind of folks in all groups of people. Just use your judgement and do not [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in peoples face, and you will be ok also with richer girls. As rich as they may be, they are still just girls that wants love and attention. A bit more vain and pretentious, but still females. In Cebu I do not know, but in Davao I met them in the regular clubs that where considered "hip" at the time. Superficial as this society is, the weak egos will always flock in the place that they believe might make them look more like their ideal image of themselves.

No so hard to spot who is the classy ones in Davao. Just look for the ones that lift their feet when they walk in high heels.

Barba

[quote=barba; 1240336]. .

no so hard to spot who is the classy ones in davao. just look for the ones that lift their feet when they walk in high heels.[/quote]another splendid anthropological observation barba. (i guess i will upset the brigade who want posts pertaining to pussy only so if you are in that group, stop reading here and click on to next post)

you have hit on one of my pet peeves here; that ubiquitous habit of dragging the feet when they walk everywhere.

it should not be a big deal, and i should be able to ignore it, but sometimes it is incredibly overwhelming.

just yesterday i was sitting in a major manila clinic with a highly polished hard floor with lots of passing traffic.

i noted that probably 98% of passers-by dragged their feet, whether they were plastic slippers (thongs / flip flops) , rubber shoes (sneakers) and especially that variety of heeled shoe that girls wear by inserting the toe into the front section and the back portion flaps free and makes a clickety-clack sound.

the noise made by this diversity of footwear was quite deafening.

if you haven't noticed it before, just watch how many filipinos drag their feet when walking.

sometimes it is caused by them wearing borrowed shoes that are several sizes too large and they have to shuffle to prevent the shoe from falling off.

i think the 2% of non-shufflers were barba's elite group lol.

[QUOTE=Barba; 1240336]Based on what experience? [SNIP]

There are all kind of folks in all groups of people. Just use your judgement and do not [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in peoples face, and you will be ok also with richer girls. As rich as they may be, they are still just girls that wants love and attention. A bit more vain and pretentious, but still females. In Cebu I do not know, but in Davao I met them in the regular clubs[SNIP]

No so hard to spot who is the classy ones in Davao. Just look for the ones that lift their feet when they walk in high heels.[/QUOTE]My point is when you say "just use your judgement" experienced travellers to the Philippines know how to handle and deal with filipina girls and families, it's the guy who posted the question (newbie first time in the Philippines) that I based my answer and provided advice to.

A rookie knows little about filipina jealousy and how to deal with tampo situations and is not familiar with some of the childish behavior, and if he gets himself involved with a young socialite woman do you really see it working out? I don't. If a girl feels rightly or wrongly that she has been scorned and lied to and is in tears, what rich well connected father wouldn't ease her pain and make a few calls to send the guy packing. I am not saying that's what will happen, just something for the guy to think about.

I agree with most of what you posted. Sounds like good advice, but to the guy who has limited experience in the Philippines to want to date a weathier girl first trip is not a good idea IMO. Too much of a learning curve to attempt.

The line about lifting the feet, classic line and made me LOL here. Also noticed some Chinese and Koreans shuffle not just filipinas.

An interesting debate here about accessibility to wealthy / connected girls here. I once tried to do the same in Manila about 20 years ago and found the 'wall' unbreachable. Cebu is a different story I think and is just a matter of finding the right contacts, with maybe a bit of luck attached. Recently I was interested in buying investment property in Cebu or nearby, and was given (by a hotel manager) the contact details of an investment banker who knew the property market inside out. He turned out to be wealthy and well connected himself, and despite my reneging on the whole idea (like others here in the property blog, found it too dodgy, ambiguous and unreliable), we nevertheless became good friends. He showed me around far and wide from Cebu, even Camiguin Island where his family has a luxurious hideaway retreat, introduced me to his extensive family, friends etcetc.

More importantly, a bit of a player himself, he always ensured we had a bevy of delicious escorts to accompany us, and took me too a few high end business functions and exclusive clubs. He explained he was descended from a 16th century Spanish (now with much Chinese input) plantation baron, that he was one of about 20,000 descendants. Of these descendants his family was one of a top echelon of direct descendants, that there was another more numerous mid-range group usually well educated and prosperous, and a far larger group who sit on the edges or have disappeared into the masses. He said there were about 8 other major family groups or 'columns' as he called them, all quite closely connected (a somewhat large gossip group!) in terms of marriage, business and politics. In fact, all so closely intertwined that there was little sense of rivalry.

These business and social functions (often held in the big hotels) always seemed to have a surplus of women, and those apart from the wives acted as hostesses, who were from these 'good' families, and many of whom were very available. My friend tended to introduce me as some sort of high powered investment businessman (which of course I'm not), and maybe this had some sort of influence in my success, but I don't think many of these girls cared all that much. Like Stroker says, almost all women right down to the lowest trogladyte pro is looking for love etc underneath it all, regardless of status. Philippinas don't seem to see any form of prostitution with the typical Western derogatory viewpoint, rather it's just another means of finding love, marriage etc, especially with a foreigner. Social status is immaterial, well at least in Cebu. These 'upper class' girls are no different. Over generalised? Not in my experience.

The exclusive nightclubs and bars were similar. A similar great surplus of girls (like everywhere in the Phils), some as guests most as hostesses, all of similar 'upper class' backgrounds. Many readily available for a night of fun, especially with foreigners partly because they know there won't be any gossip. So also, married women are often willing and wanting to arrange discreet dalliances. These girls don't see themselves as pros and most don't demand a great deal in the way of monetary compensation, gifts etc.

The nightclubs / bars are obscure, luxurious, secure and expensive. They offer no external recognition (neon signs, club names etc) and operate on a membership basis only. Some have underground carparks and internal entrances only, and are very security conscious, mainly to obviate risks of kidnapping, robbery, assault etc of their 'elite' clientele. Well trained and well armed bouncers / guards are discretely everywhere. Doormen allow entry on recognition, and once I had been introduced by my friend I had no problems going back when I wanted. Luckily I didn't have to worry about the exorbitant membership fees! There is a door entry fee for guests, and so-called 'bar fines' are more subtly determined by how much you spend in the club on food and drink, which of course isn't cheap. You could always make sure you had the numbers of as many girls as you could and call them the following days as desired, or give them your hotel card with room number (always running the risk that several will turn up individually at once, at random).

Thus I don't think it's too difficult to break into the world of the rich and the privileged in Cebu, just a bit of time and persistence. Make a few contacts, you never know what might happen. Yes, Philippinas are notoriously jealous and the Phils is one big gossip shop. Your reputation and deeds spread around 70 million people in a whisk LOL. I think it depends on how you handle your communication with the girls, and how honest you are. If they're worried about your social status, financial status, education, career etc. , they will filter you out fairly quickly! I struck very few problems, and I'll be back. Soon.

I gave connection details to a couple of acquaintances. The first followed my advice and did very well, and even got a good job. The second I completely misjudged, and he almost blew it for all of us with his lack of subtlety and crassness. My Phil friend just did not appreciate being treated as some sort of glorified pimp! So please, chaps, I must know you very well before passing on info.

It isn't so difficult making contact with these people. Simply find and hang out with a few well educated bods, CEOs of international companies, managers, professionals etcetc and get to know them a little. It takes a bit of time and effort but is well worth it. The best tips I can give are make them laugh, politeness and respect. One thing I found, Phils love offers of help sincerely and freely given and with no expectation of return. This potentially opened many doors for me. My friend simply got me to go with him on many of his business trips and functions, introducing me as some sort of colleague or adviser or relative (well, I was shagging one of his nieces for a while. LOL). In fact, what it did was to give him a lot more status having a foreigner associated with him. All I had to do was shake hands, smile, stand around, make conversation etcetc. He certainly made up for it with supplies of women and hospitality, and it gave me many more contacts and invites.

I notice a lot of cynical and denigratory comments about Philas in the 'advice and opinions about Philippinas' thread. Assuming it applies to Cebu as well, things must have changed a lot since I was last there doing the usual mongering. There were elements of all those comments before but obviously it's much worse now perhaps. I think I will definitely stick to my upper end Cebu girls.

The differences appear to be:

These girls are much better educated than their proletarian sisters, most going to the best schools in the Phils, degrees in UK, North American, Australian universities etc. They are reasonable conversationists (if you want that), are more aware, and have, therefore, more Western attitudes to many things.

Contraception and pregnancy: generally these girls do not want to get pregnant at all costs, as it stigmatizes them amongst there own extended family, friends and social circles, and seriously limits their chances of making a good marriage later on.

So I found I almost never had to worry about or even mention contraception to the girls as they mostly had it under control themselves. Nevertheless I found it a good idea to have a supply of parachutes for the more naive, less experienced or for those whom you suspect might be inclined to make a husband out of you.

Photos: Likewise these girls don't like having compromising photos taken of them for much the same reason. They are scared of the internet and who might find them (family, friends, employers etcetc). Many of them got a kick out of nude posing for the camera, just like their proletarian sisters. However, if they wanted compromisng pics taken, I or they insisted I take the pics with their own cell phones or cameras. On the other hand, they all loved having photos taken of themselves on tourist type excursions and putting them on their facebook pages or whatever. (I sometimes wonder what their discrete girl friends thought when they discovered myself included, as I did shag a few friends of friends etc, LOL).

Honesty: Money was not an issue with these girls and therefore rip-off or set-up situations were never a concern. Most were not interested in payment, though small gifts were often appreciated. In fact, with many the opposite occurred. Hospitality, trips, excursions, restaurants etc. One well-heeled business woman took me on a trip to Palawan for a few days. These girls are mostly pretty genuine and are just as sexually randy and uninhibited, open to new ideas etc, as their poorer sisters. I even managed to arrange a couple of threesomes.

Discretion is the byword with these girls: the gossip factor of their proletarian sisters is avoided at all costs. And they know the fact that you're a foreigner makes you a very low risk. This increases the inhibition factor, as they know word won't get around. Most are superconscious of their reputations and do not like any whiff of words like prostitution, looseness etcetc, and so many do not like a lot of association with Philippinos preferring to cut loose on the opportunity when a foreigner comes buy.

So in future I will stick to these 'uptown' girls and avoid the pitfalls associated with their proletarian sisters. I will be back in Cebu in a few weeks (after my last assignation for a while with woman tourist friends coming from China).

RR,

You're a legend in your own mind. I highly doubt you passed on contact details to any members here, because I doubt you have ever visited the Philippines. Who was the member that made you look bad? Lmfao.

Your posting history is littered with removed by admin posts, dumb comments in the PI PG and your so-called trip report of AC which IMO was not authentic.

Now you're posting this dribble about hanging with the Hi-so elite in Cebu and giving tips lmao.

To keep this post on topic, I highly suggest mongers stay far away from any Hi-so women in the Philippines. If you 'date' a Hi-so Filipina and you make her cry and break her heart, her papa or other family members will make a few calls and see to it that you never set foot in the Philippines again.

Best to stick to local barangay Filipinas if you follow the three F rule.

It depends who you meet and how you handle people, situations, circumstances, Stroker. It's all judgement calls. Based on your experience, communication skills, people skills (philosophy, art, politics? A good deal of help from Philippino friends goes a long way as well. Developing a kind of automatic filtering system is a necessity. After a while it's easy to guess and filter out a girl who is going to be overly jealous, or likely to get overly emotionally involved, or is looking for a husband, asks too many questions, or has dodgy home circumstances, or could be troublesome in some other way. Who would be stupid enough to make such a bad judgement call as to bonk a girl who's going to get broken hearted, and get you bounced out of the country by her parents? I mean the days of jumping out of a girls bedroom and running down the road with parents in hot pursuit ended when I was about 19. In fact, I never heard of that sort of thing happening, got anywhere near it, or was ever warned about it by Phil friends.

Secondly, I generally (unless otherwise suggested by a Phil friend) waited for girls to approach me and give pretty clear signs that she wanted a night (afternoon or whatever) of licentiousness one way or another. Or I broached the subject with them. If they wanted to but were a bit too shy then that was pretty clear indication to leave them alone, for example. Many hitch-ups were made at the suggestion of Philo (and Phila) friends, including those married, divorced, separated Philappinas who wanted highly discrete liaisons.

As I've said before my approach needs a lot of effort, time and patience. It doesn't suit a lot of mongers due to time limitations, and may not suit the temperament of many others. However, it may contain a few suggestions for some. If you gave up on one or two of these girls because the parents were going to bounce you out of the country then I suggest you change your approach and persist. The rewards are great: there are thousands of these girls waiting for blokes like you and I. They are a much better challenge and more fun than the usual bar girls, waitresses etc. , much more genuinely sexual, and lower risk. I never heard the expression si-ho, they called themselves penili or dato.

I don't spend a huge amount of time on this website (as good as it is) and in fact may not be on it for many weeks or months. So I don't spend any time worrying about things like who has 'made me look bad'. I don't even understand anyone who would be so obsessed as to spend all that time researching this poster or that poster, and who said what. What an incredible waste of time. Nothing else to do. What sort of dribble is lmfao? Angeles City? I've been there or through it several times. I think you missed the point of my AC report: that I believe you can find better and more interesting girls off-centre, away from the main action, likewise Pattaya. Never been to the Philippines? I have been all over the Philippines to places you've never heard of, and had adventures you wouldn't even dare to try. Many posts deleted? Probably. Not all that interested. I've seen many far worse than mine allowed.

Give it a go, Stroker, you can do it if you try hard! Have courage!

Cheers and happy hunting.

If you find any, please let me know. Would like to try the experience of being a "kept man" before I die. Ha ha.

OM.

P.S. Am not particularly handsome or "guapo" (haha, the automatic spell checker just changed that to "guano", must be an AI editorial comment) and not so young or strong as before, but still have an adventurous spirit!

[QUOTE=Omega3;2030549]If you find any, please let me know. Would like to try the experience of being a "kept man" before I die. Ha ha.
[/QUOTE]They are out there. But you do have to offer them something.

Generally they will be divorced / annulled. Husband may have died, grown up kids. The lady will be educated not an uneducated farm girl.