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Well, Opebo, your logic is non-existent here. Whether the risk is higher for the receptive partner or the penetrator isn't really the point -- the point is that according to your own statement the women you're cornholing are bleeding 10% of the time. Blood, whether in the ass or pussy, puts [i]you[/i] at risk. Yes, they're more at risk (much more, based on your behavior, which greatly increases their chances of catching anything you have) than you are. Women are [i]always[/i] more at risk for STDs, regardless of the type or activity, than are men. Again, that's not really the issue here. (But I can point you to any number or citations that say that the single riskiest behavior is unprotected anal sex.)
Please cite a concrete source for the statement about lube, and I'll be happy to believe you. I have read extensively on this subject, and just did a web search as well. I've seen or found absolutely nothing that claims that water-based lubes, and in particular KY, manage to kill HIV. Everything I've seens talks about these lubes in combination with condoms. Now, some lubes might contain Nonoxynol-9, which does directly kill HIV, but KY does not. And the studies now considered authoritative say Nonoxynol-9 causes irritation, and thereby increases rather than decreases the risks of infection.
There's not a single authority that I'm aware of that says you're safe barebacking using your approach, so you may not be worried, but you're hardly safe. The percentages I've seen cited say that the risk of HIV transmission to a receiver during unprotected anal sex is 15 in 1,000 versus 3 in 10,000 from a receiver to a penetrator. Those might be fine odds for you, but they're not for me.
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Joe Zop, Freeler
Ever heard the phrase, "like talking to a dead man"? Sadly, I fear that speaking to Opebo fits all too aptly.
Tatoosh
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o****, no one here ever said that hiv doesn't exist in vaginal secretions. i wouldn't have unprotected vaginal sex without a condom either. but there is always blood contact in anal sex which does make it riskier. you make it sound like there is no risk of a man contracting hiv. tell that to magic johnson and the countless number of straight men who have contracted hiv. heck, if i can bareback anal a sw, then what can't i do? i cringe when i hear comments like yours. the world and all responsible mongers are trying hard to stem diseases like hiv, syphilis, and others and then you have guys like your self spreading disease and mis-information. i like joe zop's idea of having you post the pictures of the gals you've barebacked so we can avoid them. in fact, read joe's most recent report. he's obviously someone who has done his homework and knows what he's talking about.
civ2k
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"Regardless of how much lubrication you use there is going to be some bleeding in almost 100% of all cases."
I've had anal sex at least 400-500 times. Have yet to see a drop of blood. If a woman is visibly bleeding, you are doing something wrong.
"Lastly, circumsizion makes one much less pervious to hiv infection"
Really? And where does this little nugget of wisdom come from?
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Hi there,
I am a newcomer to the scene. I have been with pros in Canada and always try to get daty with them. It works about 30 percent of the time. What are the risks or doing this in Thailand? I have recently tested for all std's and came clean. This is after years of "swinging" bareback activity in Canada (dp's and all). I feel blessed to have come out of that era without a disease. I am into covering up for all activities except oral both ways. Is there much of a risk with Thai? and Viet and Cambodians? I am also into rimming them. Thoughts?
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Ok, I'll respond, though I think there's no settling this type of argument - we just have different priorities
Joe Zop -
I think the distinction between you and I is our definition of 'safe' - you mentioned a 3 in 10,000 chance. I have no idea if that is accurate but it sounds very low-risk to me. Some people look for gaurantees in life, others just for good odds. I'm one of the latter. I drive a motorbike in Thailand and consider that much higher risk (and less fun) than bareback sex. What clinches it is that for me condom-sex is really in no way enjoyable or preferable to staying home and masturbating.
On the lube issue - yes nonoxonol-9 is bad news, I know. Have never used it. But plain water-based lubes do greatly reduce the risk. This type of web search is difficult because one gets literally thousands of sites containing instructions about the use of 'water based lubricants' with 'condoms' - just the standard line. I could only find one reference -
http://www.google.co.th/search?q=cache:LK2H4jK6BAcJ:www.salon.com/sex/feature/2002/01/16/lubes_hiv/+hiv+study+transmission+%22lubricants+can+prevent+%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
I remember the things I read previously (on Yahoo News I believe) seemed to attribute the beneficial effect to water based lubes in general - this article stresses the preferability of Astroglide and a couple of others. Anyway, take it for what its worth. I mainly use them to reduce potential for abrasion and the risks that entails.
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Why do you want pictures of the girls I've barebacked? If you're practising 'safe' sex then it shouldn't matter if the girl you're with has taken risks or has something. I imagine the vast majority of them have taken lots of risks, and not with me - rather with Thai boyfriends who are a lot more likely to give them something than I or any monger. Relax, you're at no risk at all with your condoms, either of getting anything or having any first-rate sex.
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Nailr - Check the posts below for this subject. In summary, the answer is NO; it is NOT safe to be engaging in condomless sex (oral or not) with these women or for you to be eating them out! The Clap is apparantly quite rampant in BKK and Pattaya and why stick your tongue somewhere where 15 mins. previous some guy shot his wad in her?
Don't ruin a holiday because of a few moments of stupidity and / or drunkness. Wrap that willy! Play safe and stay safe! Cheers!
PS. Even up here in Canada, you're taking quite a risk engaging in that activity with them....good you got tested and you're ok.
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Nailr,
I have two very good friends who now have a herpies of the mouth because of eating hookers out. But have fun anyways and let us know what happens.
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Chikan,
Thanks for the advice, though it really it isn't what I want to hear. You are right about covering up at all times and most likely I'll try to refrain from daty, we'll see. I have read some of the reports on this subject and am shocked to see guys on here who will have anal sex with these girls uncovered. It doesn't take a genius to know that's suicide, of perticular was one poster who said some very sadistic things about making them bleed. That made me sick.
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I can tell all of you that I've never seen such a dummy like Opebo or similar guys. This guy is too much, his logic is like a ten-year old kid who has no knowledge whatsoever about how bad the AIDS epidemic is. He is now going around spreading his infected semen to poor girls in third world countries. He doesn't think about the welfare of these human beings and thus showing how cruel he is! Hey be mature! Man, how I despise him.
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Nailr,
Your dilemna reminds me of something a good friend said to me long ago, which is: "If I'm going to get HIV from eating pussy, then I'm going to get HIV from eating pussy." In other words, NOTHING was going to stop him from his favorite activity - DATY. All I can say is I wish you the best of luck in your resolve to refrain from DATY. I am also a huge fan of the activity, and I simply do not have the discipline to keep from doing it, even when I know it's not a good idea. I will ALWAYS wrap up for the main event- that goes without saying - but I simply find it impossible not to go down on a girl who really turns me on, hooker or not. I can't resist it. I love it that much.
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BLEEEEECH! I would rather lick the toilet! LOL
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I know you can't get hiv from oral sex, unless you are a vampire, but this Thailand not Romania so I'm not worried. It's a blood exchange that causes it. So, maybe I will get the klap, but that is also rare for oral. My first trip abroad and you are right, if the chick is hot nothing will stop me from tasting that sweet ass and pussy, escpecially if I am wrecked.
I've had a klamidia test before and have friends in Canada who have had it, it's not so bad. Some antibodies and you'll be fine. I don't think I would be able to help myself. I'll always have the girls take a shower before, with me doing the cleaning. To get rid of the flavour of nations. Burning [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] for a month is acceptable to satisfying my desire for an insatiable 2 weeks.
"Kiss a toilet". That's not too far from the truth when you think about the fluids and bacteria. Except one is a sensual and beautiful humanbeing and the other is pure pourcilan, in Canada anyways. The UN says we have the best toilets in the world.
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ChiManII,
That is actually the one thing that scares me...herpes.
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i have 2 questions i hope someone can answer.
1. is there a hiv test kit sold in bangkok that gives results in 30 minutes or is that a bad rumor.
2. can anyone recommoned a good std clinic in bangkok what are the prices for tests.
o****,
do not underestimate the effects of herpes, syphillis gonerrea in the practice of bareback bangin it is best if you settle in with one girl otherwise do the right thing wrap it up. do it for the girl. do it for the community. most of all do it for yourself.