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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2444351]A) a constant daught / wind can reduce infection a lot:
In a recent german TV show (Maybrit Ilgner), [URL]https://youtu.be/5ulKfdHm5wU?t=1094[/URL] (exact position), Prof Drosten (Germany's most famous virologist) said something *super-important*:
Essentially if there is a constant draught, then the coronavirus would have a much less chance to settle.
B) an app, that could show someones personal risk score, based on the vicinity of folks one was with in the past 5 days, and whether those were infected or not.
Easy to create this draught, with ventilators in the rooms. Likely dehumidifiers might help too. If the air is dry, the aerosols will be killed.
And also easy to make the risk-score app mandatory for certain establishments. At the door the FKK-clubs, could simply say, that either mongers / girls need to show that they are immun or have a low risk score. Done.[/QUOTE]Well either way, there is only one option for FKK to be open again, which is when government gives green light to do so.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2444197]But most powerful is not able to manage virus, with their town number 1 giving scary images to the world, with fridge trucks in streets, with Hart island for poor. I really don t wish them, because I would probably not be French without them, Europe might be very different without them, but I m afraid they could be over 50000 deaths, with so many poor who can t afford to go to hospital, keeping on working to have to eat, when unemployment is exploding there. When the most powerful is the worst since weeks. Of course, we won't compare to China, because I think everybody and our politics understood what kind of danger they can be. Have now to think about less dependence and more protection, we are not in same world. Virus is like miror for our society, much more than our medical level, and they are discovering in France, when 80% deaths are over 70 yo, and 67% under 70 had already health problems, but 50% of the worst cases under 70 are suffering obesity, even in France, more and more obese, eating on US way since they are child: MacDo for gift in foods, Cola, when we have best gastronomy in France, but US culture spreading in France, making more and more obese who are vulnerable to virus. This virus would not only kill fragile lungs, but could also infect blood for some cases when doctors didn't understand what happened for some quite young, seeming healthy, who died. I wish, if we lost, but at least could learn from what happen. As we say in sport, we learn more from a defeat than when we win.[/QUOTE]Power and managing virus has nothing to do with each other siri. USA messed up on this and many European nations messed up big time too, and soon Japan is on the same path, Japan have now 20 % beds kept free in hospital, so Japan too can have health care destruction soon if that 20% of beds are filled with heavy symptom patients and then we be on same path as Europe and USA, and all of these country has same standard of civilization beside some nations has better medical technologies, but we all are failing or on the path to failing.
However, this virus won't terminate humanity, we be back on the norm sometimes in future, it is matter of how much damage and death till then. Again, it is better to focus on controlling death rates and protecting health care system is the key.
Beside Avigan made by Fuji film Japan, which is working on mild symptom well. There is another medicine made by USA based medical company that is showing good result and not they are testing on 4000 patients globally, so it is quite hopeful.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2444351]A) a constant daught / wind can reduce infection a lot:
In a recent german TV show (Maybrit Ilgner), [URL]https://youtu.be/5ulKfdHm5wU?t=1094[/URL] (exact position), Prof Drosten (Germany's most famous virologist) said something *super-important*:
Essentially if there is a constant draught, then the coronavirus would have a much less chance to settle.
B) an app, that could show someones personal risk score, based on the vicinity of folks one was with in the past 5 days, and whether those were infected or not.
Easy to create this draught, with ventilators in the rooms. Likely dehumidifiers might help too. If the air is dry, the aerosols will be killed.
And also easy to make the risk-score app mandatory for certain establishments. At the door the FKK-clubs, could simply say, that either mongers / girls need to show that they are immun or have a low risk score. Done.[/QUOTE]With Chinese not reliable tests? Even if mistral or tramuntana wind, but if You kiss with saliva a infected girl with no symptom, no risk for you? I'm pretty sure virus will return in FKK land when reopening, virus is now around us. Risky business. When US are the worst under virus, when they never respected confined, but now they want confined to be stopped, and even fat and old ask for, same like for free weapons any psychopath can buy, it just means they accept to die, but maybe they don't understand everything and they will cry after, when no more Navajo to be scared about. In France, old people also asked not to be confined anymore after 11 May, so, many will die, many will be given by children. I don t know for how long they plan to close EU borders, but some will go outside for job, will they be under quarantine when returning? Nearly impossible no more virus and nothing in FKK land, new risk, more risky than HIV, but less dangerous for my opinion, even seem to attack not only lungs but can also blood.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2444299]China claim US brought it, US claim other, don't believe all what is told or written, same than here. I just think now the world know China lied to protect their already falling economy and keeping on producing not reliable tests, with people tested negative and dying from covid. I think this is now time to protect versus lies, not to be so dependant about safety, health. We don t all have same standards and level for quality, reliability. Now, this is new world with virus working around, not so sure even having recovered will make full safe, even french doctors think to use plasma to cure. I think FKK land will now be risky playfield if you are not a survivor healthy warrior with no relatives, because when will reopen, even with EU borders closed for months, but such playfield to spread so fast and around when returning at home, but as I went to a escort under confined, but since more than 2 weeks now, I look if she is still available and I m happy for her she is, when she is only 19, too young to die from virus in Paris, as soon it will reopen, I will go to Germany, Switzerland, Austria which should open first, and Spain for Slavians. But better to know about risk for health, for relatives. Even with vaccine, if ever, if virus don t mutate before, just impossible for everybody but only risky people like versus grippe. But on the other hand, no need to be paranoiac, can die while sleeping. When I grew up, I read, I heard so much about US paranoia about what was behind the wall. Now we know, not because Russian women are much prettier and elegant than Americans, even despite Putin, but Russia is so much more interesting for culture, for a french like me, even I thank US to be a free French.[/QUOTE]It is this one I have been saying from the beginning.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuhan_Institute_of_Virology[/URL]
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Not This Year?
[QUOTE=TheCane;2444054]The German authorities seem to be confident that they have things under control. I hope they are right, and that things remain under control in FKKland. One step closer to getting back to our "hobby".[/QUOTE]If only that was the size of it however, I firmly believe the very suggestion even thoughts of FKK's reopening this year is at best optimistic.
With social distancing measures firmly in place and likely to remain so throughout the summer months quite probably beyond, I'm at loss to understand how the business of close contact and intimate pleasure with a sex worker on an industrial scale is going to be sanctioned by the German authorities.
I'd even go so far as to suggest this won't be happening until a proven vaccination is in circulation and everybody entering FKK's (clients and workers) are able to produce valid certification to prove they are inoculated and virus free.
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[QUOTE=Pentire;2444505]If only that was the size of it however, I firmly believe the very suggestion even thoughts of FKK's reopening this year is at best optimistic.
With social distancing measures firmly in place and likely to remain so throughout the summer months quite probably beyond, I'm at loss to understand how the business of close contact and intimate pleasure with a sex worker on an industrial scale is going to be sanctioned by the German authorities.
I'd even go so far as to suggest this won't be happening until a proven vaccination is in circulation and everybody entering FKK's (clients and workers) are able to produce valid certification to prove they are inoculated and virus free.[/QUOTE]It will open when government gives green light LOL!
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2444469]It is this one I have been saying from the beginning.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuhan_Institute_of_Virology[/URL][/QUOTE]French built this and they backed off for Chinese to manage it, and look what happened.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2444405]I believe there are now so many mutations of the virus that maybe there are both one version with 3-4% death rate, and another one with just 0. 1%. We simply do not know. An Icelandic scientist found 40 different mutations of the virus on Iceland alone![/QUOTE]Salaam Pistons,
According to the authors of that study in Iceland, the virus mutations would be less harmful. Mutations are nothing to freak out about. The flu does it all the time. It makes sense for a virus to mutate to become a nicer bedfellow because if it kills the host it kills itself. So again, I am saying: 0. 1%.
In places where the death rate was higher, like Italy and New York, it could be simply because of the disorganization of the national health systems. At first they were caught by surprise and they couldn't distribute the ventilators to the right places fast enough.
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[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2444548]Salaam Pistons,
According to the authors of that study in Iceland, the virus mutations would be less harmful. Mutations are nothing to freak out about. The flu does it all the time. It makes sense for a virus to mutate to become a nicer bedfellow because if it kills the host it kills itself. So again, I am saying: 0. 1%.
In places where the death rate was higher, like Italy and New York, it could be simply because of the disorganization of the national health systems. At first they were caught by surprise and they couldn't distribute the ventilators to the right places fast enough.[/QUOTE]Italy was first Western country to be heavily impacted and in poor South, many Italians live with parents, when many left impacted North to return to South with family, but US couldn't not ignore because they were impacted much later, but they thought first they would be stronger, they still don t respect confined, poverty can t afford to pay for healthcare when many don t have insurance, but who really care there about mostly black people dying in NYC, Louisiana, Michigan, Chicago. I m sure Trump doesn't have problem to sleep. Virus is real mirror for US society and they are the worst under virus. Just figures.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2443724]You do realize that you have added to the conversation on coronavirus.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2443782]But you can tell about your FKK experiences, to entertain us while this black time. I could go to Russian escorts, but no libido reading deaths, unemployment.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your messages. I guess this is the case of great mind thinking alike. I apologize if your enjoyment of this forum has been upset. Please see my Evita report below. I do not wish to take over forum as do another. Please post away about Covid19 for everyone's enjoyment. Please say Hi to Basketcase if you see. Many thank and thank you again for your messages.
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[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2444548]Salaam Pistons,
According to the authors of that study in Iceland, the virus mutations would be less harmful. Mutations are nothing to freak out about. The flu does it all the time. It makes sense for a virus to mutate to become a nicer bedfellow because if it kills the host it kills itself. So again, I am saying: 0. 1%.[/QUOTE]You almost make it sound like the virus has a mind of its own now, haha.
I believe this is all by chance. Like hitting up a casino in Las Vegas or Macau.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2444352]I encourage the audience to read the above linked CNN article in full. You'll find that the doctor who oversaw this study is far more guarded in his language than Polyamorist, who with great eagerness thinks he has found validation for his government conspiracy theories. This study is preliminary and is not yet peer reviewed. The doctor also ends with a word of caution saying that "the flu and coronavirus are still quite different. For one, we don't yet have a vaccine for Covid-19.
Doctors suspect, though, and are still trying to prove beyond a doubt, that antibodies to Covid-19 mean one is immune down the line. " The latter remains open, and it's a significant question indeed.
Also, even if the death rate is scaled downward substantially as the result of wider, like testing, there's still a number of other problems associated with placing restrictions only on the elderly while allowing everyone else to get back to business as usual. Those are found in the below article. This is an idea that British considered but back off of for good reason.
[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/03/heres-why-it-wont-work-just-isolate-elderly-vulnerable/[/URL][/QUOTE]This is what I find problematic, many act as if the main goal should be to stop the number of deaths no matter what it takes. I strongly disagree with that approach. Saving the lives of people with poor health isn't worth much to me if we in process destroy the lives of the 99.0-99.9 % that won't die. We have to be able to see the bigger picture. The virus isn't especially dangerous for people under 65 without underlying health problems. In the US they have 22 million unemployed after four weeks, probably 18 million more in June. How many business owners will be forced into bankruptcy? How many will be heavily indebted and forced to a life in homelessness? How many children will have their childhood destroyed and highly disadvantaged to live a good life? Many countries will face huge problems considering their debt to GDP ratio.
30 years of economic progress in Africa might be wiped out. People have to wake up and stop being afraid of nature. Old people should stay at home, the rest should go on with their life.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2444352] Also, even if the death rate is scaled downward substantially as the result of wider, like testing, there's still a number of other problems associated with placing restrictions only on the elderly while allowing everyone else to get back to business as usual. Those are found in the below article. This is an idea that British considered but back off of for good reason.
[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/03/heres-why-it-wont-work-just-isolate-elderly-vulnerable/[/URL][/QUOTE]No visitors at the elderly homes. Masks, gloves etc for the employees. In a household where one person is old or belongs to a risk group everyone in that household stays at home without loss of pay (government steps in). It would cost a government a lot less than shutting down an entire country.
Might not work in third world countries but for the rest it should.
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[QUOTE=DenHaag;2444572]Thank you for your messages. I guess this is the case of great mind thinking alike. I apologize if your enjoyment of this forum has been upset. Please see my Evita report below. I do not wish to take over forum as do another. Please post away about Covid19 for everyone's enjoyment. Please say Hi to Basketcase if you see. Many thank and thank you again for your messages.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry, I know I m different but I m much more interested by virus crisis with so many deaths, economy crisis with 22 millions more unemployed in US, 8 millions more in France, than brothels and Evita I see at Sharks since January 2015 , and even my best girls, but only my subjective ranking of values, of course. At the moment, some beauties escorting in Paris, but I already missed 4 who left, went only with 1 , because not in the mood about what happen to our world, I don't mean FKK land I don't care much about at the moment. Still a Polish, a Estonian and a Belarus real beauties if I have better mood, when only pleasures are to work and prepare bicycle to climb my beloved mountains and wish to go to my Dolomiti friends. I m happy because they are safe. I wish Romanian girls had good Easter in family today.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2444558]Italy was first Western country to be heavily impacted and in poor South, many Italians live with parents, when many left impacted North to return to South with family, but US couldn't not ignore because they were impacted much later, but they thought first they would be stronger, they still don t respect confined, poverty can t afford to pay for healthcare when many don t have insurance, but who really care there about mostly black people dying in NYC, Louisiana, Michigan, Chicago. I m sure Trump doesn't have problem to sleep. Virus is real mirror for US society and they are the worst under virus. Just figures.[/QUOTE]Nobody, not even Germany, can compete with North Korea, Belarus and I think Turkmenistan, claiming 0 deaths and even 0 cases, same in Taiwan. Belarus president found vaccine before others, telling to drink vodka.
Today, french government explained us about where we are about virus, really interesting and clear explanation. Virus should be under control when R0 really below 1 and stay like this, they say we are now at 0,6 in France, wish it will stay like this after 11 May, end of confined and also for old people. But not sure having recovered is no more risk. Only children have not much risk.