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Kiev is falling down
Like the gryvnas.
I spend at least 200 days in the last 3 years,. So I know girls and situation here.
Come 10 days so far and my impression is that really the city is over for good mongering, I mean not for paying ugly prostitutes in mamba or found somewhere in apartment in Kiev.
I mean over to fuck quality girl with body and brain, funny, good heart.
1- Quality of girl: I was used to see many 9 a day in Kiev, now the quality in many days is lower compared to the past. Less attitude to wear sexy and high heels. The situation contributed to this and also a lot of desperate man, included a lot of tourists stopping every girl.
2- Attitude: once I stopped and talk with a lot of girl take contact see them and fuck. Now its difficult even talk with girl.
3-Greediness: the situation didn't take them to the past, but only contributed to make most of them greedy, watching tourist like bancomat but bot like before, now they not even want fuck.
4-Nightlife: practically non existent. Most of club closed, decadence will close forever 22 and a casino will come, this mean lot of high end and expensive prostitutes. The city is completely dead after 22, I went to some club, nobody there, girl work work work or pretend to work and then go home.
5- SCUM in action: attention those who pays, there are an army of people out there in Kiev waiting tourist and taking everything from them, thanks to their girlfriends. I know any guys here and some not very recommended and they told me in Kiev the scums towards tourist are raising, and most of girl especially from web are central in this. So attention especially from mamba, never give real address but meet near your house, double check any girl, never give real name.
All in all I had to stay longer but decide to come back, first time in my life, after 10 of 35 days planned. Maybe if I stay all period I will fuck many girl I have known now and from the past, but for me there is the lack of fun and easy mongering that makes this city no more appealing, the tourists thanks to the army of poor men overpaying girls here are completely out of place here.
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[QUOTE=AColonizer;1774706]What about the exchange from grivnas TO dollars at the exchange offices in Ukrainian airports, do you know it is necessary a specific certificate to change grivnas TO dollars? Is it possible hundreds of mongers never dealt with this Ukrainian legal scam?[/QUOTE]I usually keep the larger denominations (100+) for my next trip, while all change goes to some babushka on my way out of town.
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I usually keep the 500's (it's too cumbersome to carry bundles of 100 notes around) but never for the next trip because the grivna's got only one way to go. Why keep a depreciating currency? I am also trying to dump my euros while I am here. I am glad two year ago I kept only trivial amount of new banknotes as a souvenir on my way out. This time I 'll spent all before I leave.
[QUOTE=Raffzahn;1775236]I usually keep the larger denominations (100+) for my next trip, while all change goes to some babushka on my way out of town.
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[QUOTE=HornyMonger;1775251] I am also trying dump my euros while I am here.[/QUOTE]Oh, if I am in Kiev right now I will take of off you all the Euros you have, I only use $ when going to USA euro is much more useful to me.
Cheers.
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You are right, but your story is well known for years, unfortunately.
Instead I meant there are a lot of invented tales by girls' pimps, and pimp is literally pimp, in this thread.
[QUOTE=HornyMonger;1774804]You're right. Mongering in Kiev is hard, and there are almost no 8 or 9's on my scale that I've seen, and I've been in Kiev many many days in the last two years(you need many many hands to count them).
Like several experienced members had posted a good while back, the girls on Mamba are skanks!
Mongering in Kiev is hard, hard work if you're not paying tourist price.
And many members on this thread and others are paying tourist prices even for Mamba skanks! And waste tons of time just doing that.
In order to save time and get a much better selection, you might as well go to apartment girls and massage parlors....[/QUOTE]
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That's a mix of different girls from the past and from the present. For example, I have recognized a prostitute of 5 years ago.
Members should understand Kiev profiles have become like Moscow profiles: 100% fake.
[QUOTE=MartinReunion;1775112]Does anyone know Milana [URL]http://www.mamba.ru/mb1489308401[/URL] ? I have contacted her, she sounds nice with limited but effective English; but with her 100+ very nice pics I wonder how real this can be. She says she doesn't travel but her pics are from all over the place.[/QUOTE]
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You understood me. But what about if you still have some grivnas at the departure? Exchange offices asked me a specific certificate, imposed by Ukrainian law, and this should be given to foreigners when they exchange dollars to grivnas. But no exchange office in the center of Kiev does that!
[QUOTE=HornyMonger;1775251]I usually keep the 500's (it's too cumbersome to carry bundles of 100 notes around) but never for the next trip because the grivna's got only one way to go. Why keep a depreciating currency? I am also trying to dump my euros while I am here. I am glad two year ago I kept only trivial amount of new banknotes as a souvenir on my way out. This time I 'll spent all before I leave.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=AColonizer;1774698]I read the last reports and according to the wording of the text, I think this thread has become a den of pimps telling marketing-oriented tales in order to attract inexperienced men in Kiev.[/QUOTE]For the first time in the history of ISG I find myself agreeing with AColonizer. Some recent posts are sounding way too similar to the readers letter from Penthouse.
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[QUOTE=MartinReunion;1775112]Does anyone know Milana [URL]http://www.mamba.ru/mb1489308401[/URL] ? I have contacted her, she sounds nice with limited but effective English; but with her 100+ very nice pics I wonder how real this can be. She says she doesn't travel but her pics are from all over the place.[/QUOTE]No, but I'm sure she's a very good friend of yours.
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Milana
[QUOTE=Ash1001;1775329]No, but I'm sure she's a very good friend of yours.[/QUOTE]The fact that I am posting for the first time, after years of reading, doesn't necessarily make me suspect of unwanted commercial activity. Just a Dutchman doing his homework. Thanks for any info, wouldn't you agree this is an. Elaborate profile?
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I changed the left-over UAH back into $'s in the morning before I left for the airport on the last trip.
I did not have problem changing UAH into dollars in the center. I always went to the same place; the woman recognized me.
There used to be one on Kreshschatyk right next to the arch stairway that looked at your passport, made copies and then gave you the certificate and the UAH.
I found that annoying; so I just went to places which don't do that.
I noticed it's closed now.
But I am sure you can find other places in the center that give you the certificate.
The banks always give you the certificate.
[QUOTE=AColonizer;1775270]You understood me. But what about if you still have some grivnas at the departure? Exchange offices asked me a specific certificate, imposed by Ukrainian law, and this should be given to foreigners when they exchange dollars to grivnas. But no exchange office in the center of Kiev does that![/QUOTE]
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What's seriously lacking in Kiev is a decent venue to meet and mingle with pro / semi p4 p girls. River Palace was perfection, Buddha bar was an inferior, overpriced copy for a short while. There's probably still some action there if you are prepared to pay $300 for two hours. I got a girl from there once in the late afternoon, had dinner with her for an hour or so then two hours of action (DFK, nothing bareback) at my place. She was a sweet girl as pros go.
The endless frustration of Mamba, with its fake profiles and photos and girls showing up (hours) late, if at all, is a far cry from what Kiev used to be. Sitting around waiting for a girl to show up is my idea of a pain the rear. DruidFire, you seem to have been remarkably lucky with your experiences. I'm assuming you did loads of vetting to weed out the potential flakes and fakes?
Shooters used to have a fair few girls on the game, no idea what the situation is now but it does have lots of pretty young student types. I remember asking a few if they were interested in sponsorship, most said no. One was interested (at $500 pw. This was in 2010). A tall, curvy, beautiful 21 yr old redhead called Yana. We went on an (expensive) date at Buddha bar during which we were kissing a lot. Her fat English speaking friend joined us as broker, trying to persuade the hesitant Yana to seal the deal. After that I never saw her again. She literally disappeared.
I must emphasise: what I want is a place to socially mingle with them (a bar, disco etc.) before taking them home OR NOT as I choose. That's worth paying a premium for.
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[QUOTE=HornyMonger;1775138]Virgins in Thailand sounds pretty good! Maybe we all should go to Thailand. Cheaper, fresher pussies and warmer weather!
Why would anyone want to take a girl home for 13 or 14 hours and pay 500 Euros for it or even a couple of hundred bucks for it ?? It's not like they'll let you f*ck them for anymore than an hour or two at best. I am talking about the length of time you're actually doing the deed.
I only heard from WGs that aging mongers likes to talk, chat and pat them or feed them candies; some of them paid for just that and didn't even have sex! Are those mongers afraid to be alone? Don't be afraid to be alone! I saw plenty of Kiev women dine by themselves. No kidding!
Yeah, Kiev is for aging mongers, who like to talk, chat and pat the girls and those who has tons of time to waste and bundles of cash to burn.
I guess if a man gets old, lots of young girls start to look good to him. Even the ones he probably wouldn't look in his 20's and he is looking at them now.[/QUOTE]As I mentioned before, I'm 46. Not sure how much that has to do with it as I've seen plenty of much older guys at FKKs and in Thailand / Philippines. Personally on a mongering trip, I like to find one really cool girl that is fun to hang out with and several cute girls that I like to have sex with and go. Kiev is great for that and you don't have to be a millionaire to do it. But if you are into quick, rapid fire mongering, then yeah. FKKs and Asia are better than Kiev. Everybody is different and wants different things.
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[QUOTE=Ash1001;1775566]The endless frustration of Mamba, with its fake profiles and photos and girls showing up (hours) late, if at all, is a far cry from what Kiev used to be. Sitting around waiting for a girl to show up is my idea of a pain the rear. [/QUOTE]You got it, my friend. You got it right on the dot!
That's an accurate discription of meeting girls there. A complete waste of time! And money, of course, even if they don't show, because you paid for accommodation.
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Today the 20 year old inquisitive cautious busty blond messaged that she had 2 to 2. 5 hours free from work and that she wanted to meet, I. E. Fuck. Actually, me fucking her because she just lay there spreading her legs with her head on a pillow for comfort! What a lazy be*tch! She only did lousy oral for a minute, shallow and with her hand then wanted to lay down and have me do all the work! She didn't want me to come in her mouth, didn't want me to come on her face and didn't want me to come in her ass. The only salvaging thing is that she let me fuck her pussy for a long time. I poked her until she be*tched about her pussy being sore and little painful. So, I asked her to do oral but again she did her lousy oral for a minute, shallow and with her hand and stopped just as I was feeling good. Terrible BJ. She came at 14.20 and left at 16:00 and wasted almost no time talking, etc.