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I'm getting a clear picture here about American Women and all others. They are not that much different after all according to the some post I read here. If a man makes 80K a year in NY city, he would be considered not worthy of being fucked by a American women living there, because he doesn't have any money.
If the same Gentleman took his 80K to a 3rd world country, he would be considered rich, and those money grubbing women would be begging to suck his dick, because he would be considered rich: and they would ignore the poor sap making $10 to $50 dollars a day.
Now how are the women any different except for lower standards in regards to money.
Goddam American women! Did you see them laughing at the IRAQ prisoners of war dicks' in the newpaper or internet?
I'm moving to Australia where the women there won't laugh at my dick. How shameful!
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Pokey,
I would take issue with the "American Women" generalization and the atrocities commited on Iraqi prisoners of war.
War crimes have nothing to do with cultural money-grubbing. Persons in authority who abuse that position, by humiliating people under their charge are disgusting criminals, and should be dealt with as such.
Atrocities in wartime (or even psuedo-wartime) happen. Panning these off on a particular "flavor" or nationality is not helpful, IMHO.
Cheers,
Sporadic
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Anybody See Donald Trump is getting married to his Slovenian model girlfriend? All in the NY papers. Put a 2 million $ rock on her hand. They met at Fashion Week 5 years ago and he flew her to Palm Beach on his private jet on their second date. She says she was broke with no modeling gigs when she "met" him. See the implications of this? I was there too 5 years ago as i work in the area and I don't think I got the time of the day from anybody.
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Smut,
I'm pretty sure we're on the same wavelength when it comes to gold diggers.
I was having a conversation this weekend that reminded me of some non-American friends of mine. I seem to recall reading past posts the laud the virtues of Scandinavian women - well, guys, don't hold your breath there. I know two guys who are both Danish and got cleaned out completely by their wives. Both of these guys started working offshore on ships when they were in their early to mid teens (one was 14, the other 15) as apprentice motormen or something like that. They spent the next 40 - 50 years working on ships for 6-8 months per year. Both of these guys married in their late twenties and when they reached retirement age (early 60's) and quit working away from home, their wives (of 30+ years) decided they didn't like having their husbands around all the time so they divorced them and wound up getting most of what they had earned over the preceeding 40 odd years. In short, they both had to go back to work (at 60+ years of age) doing the only thing they knew how to do, maintain ships engines, because they were destitute, thanks to their lovely Scandanavian ex-wives.
So, the gold-digging is definitely not restricted to American women or Americanized women. I would hazard a guess though that most of the posters in this thread of the forum just have more experience with American women than any other variety.
CW
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Pokey,
I want to clarify a couple of things you said:
(1) No, not all American women are like this, but a disturbingly high number of them can be! The problem is that sooo many of them are cut from the same manipulative mold.
(2) The foriegn women are mostly an alternative for Western men, IMHO. I do agree that an American salary can be a big draw for them, but that still doesn't explain why they don't play the same head games as do Western women. In fact, they often don't become such manipulators until they spend some time in a place like the U.S. or U.K.
No, the concept of lower income standards seems to be only half the story, at least in my experience.
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Mike, of course you're not going to get the time of day from anybody in New York. Women who come to New York usually have one thing on their mind, money. That's why the Donald got the attention of that model. When I was New York, I used to meet a lot of women from Europe and South America, they were all good looking and they were all a bunch of golddiggers. Most of them were blatant about it, this one woman from the Netherlands asked me straight up how much money I make a year and how much I had in the bank a few years back. It was funny because when I spent some time in Amsterdam, I met a lot of local women on the same level of beauty as her and none of them asked me those kinds of questions, and they were nowhere near as materialistic and demanding as she was. The point is that environment can have a lot to do with a woman's behavior and attitude, it also affects a man too. So in essence that is why New York is a lousy place to meet an ideal woman because the city is a very fast paced environment where a lot of money is changing hands. So, essentially you need to have a lot of money to get good dates regardless of your physical appearance and mental disposition. Even if you look like Brad Pitt, without a good source of income, dating in New York is tough.
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CBGB,
I was trying to tell Pokey the same thing, but your post said it 1,000,000 times better than I could have!
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CBGB,
I Work in Midtown Manhattan and used to be in The Fashion District. Know alot of chicks here that would rather work 16 hour days and turn 30 40 with nobody because no man fits their idea of the perfect guy. Now, to be their ideal man in NYC you gotta be a Yankees player, music industry type, corporate attorney, Bway actor, etc, etc, you know, fling alot of cash so the chick feels like she's the star of a Sex In the City episode. You are talking like a couple of hundred a nite here. They expect this, it is their norm. I know I been there.
I usually keep it real by checking chicks that work in Mcdonalds, the local cafe/deli, Macy's perfume/cologne counter, and the cleaning people in office buildings. Alot of these girls are rite off the plane from Peru, India, China, Guyana, The DR, and Albania. Really nice and sweet too. They appreciate a nice gentlemen and you can really score big in these situations. I like these scenarios since I can be recognized on my own merits and not my duckets. Here in NYC you need game to get by or you're assed out.
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Mike12,
I hear ya. Your observations sound like the chick example I gave a few posts ago. What gets me scratching my head is when their "currency" becomes "devalued" and they can no longer even THINK of ensnaring such types. They then become bitter and blame others for their lack of flexibility. You hit the nail on the head regarding whom a monger should target. A plain chick (ATTRACTIVE, mind you, but plain in attitude, meaning that she's not of the type that thinks that her "goonya" is made of gold) who is practical-minded stands to make out MUCH better than these tunnel-visioned gold-digging cunts. I actually had a financial epiphany today. Generally, American women are like a bad investent: the RETURN on investment is inversely proportionate to the investment put into her.
I was listening to the national radio host Tom Leykis and he tells it like it IS regarding American women. In fact, he pretty much labeled them as manipulative b****es who fall far short of their overseas counterparts.
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CBGB, So once you got focused and determined, how did you do it? If you don't want to tell us, then just say so. BTW, you'd make a great polititican.
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This being a forum on women and how men relate with them, I think this fits in here. I was at the Getty Museum here in LA, California area last weekend and saw lots of POA. That's pieces of art. Heh. They were walking, talking, having fun, and some were bored. After staring at the walls a couple of times (my family was with me), I ditched them and spent the rest of the day looking and evaluating the women there. That's when I saw this painting and it kind of got to me.
Peace
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The accompanying information for said picture in last post. BTW, in all fairness, men are as bad as women. We all want what we don't have and if it's within reach, we scramble for it. On the other hand, American women [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off every day. I think it starts with the whole idea of growing up hoping to meet the "one man" of her dreams and having the cookie-cutter life. You want to blame any one thing, I'd put it squarely on the perceived notion of social status, i.e. how much money (power is interchangeable here) has one got. That and little girls playing with Barbies.
Peace
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Sinanju Master,
Good observation about the ROI concept. It's a damn shame it has to be like that alot of times. What irks me is you can't expect to get anywhere with some of these chicks by being yourself and doing the right thing. You have to play the role with a flashy car, be superficial and act like you are cool in an MTV defined kind of way.
I have been pondering what it is in the culture here that causes the women to play games and bug out the way they do. I had chicks that were from El Salvador, Honduras, DR and Asia flake out on me and I thought about what the hell happened there. Then I realized the common thread of them all being here longer than 2, 3 years. I'm just trying to define exactly what in the U.S. turns these girls into gameplaying beyotches at the drop of a dime.
Just some things to think about I guess.
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I have done two different things in order to be able to expatriate myself. #1, I got a job with an American company working overseas. #2, I got a job I could do over the internet from anywhere in the world. So, I don't have to fuck with any residency issues. Only problem is, I don't like job #1's location and #2 doesn't pay all that much. But #1 says they are going to send me somewhere else pretty soon. If I don't like where they are going to send me, I will then quit and make do with #2.
It's not that hard. Use the "Nike Method"; just do it!
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"So, the gold-digging is definitely not restricted to American women or Americanized women."
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True again, CW; but when I say "American" women, I'm really talking about "Westernized" women in general. Hell, guys in England, for example, see the same problems we do (I know - I've been there). In all fairness, though, I should probably start using the term "Western" in lieu of "American" :).
I feel for those Scandinavian dudes in your example, though. I used to be in the Navy and I've heard - and SEEN- situations like this all the damn time! It makes you wonder why the fuck anyone would get married (in Western societies), knowing from the start that wedlock is a one-sided deal.