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Well, I thought we "old geezers" were all washed up, that we were all of little consequence, having no game, no attractiveness left, no ability to charm, no ability to solicit desire from females half our age, etc...Why would they feel we are such a huge threat to them? Why soooooo much jealousy and angst?
If the former be true, what could possibly be worrying the young so much about the old geezers that they would want to eliminate them from the party by insulting their sensibilities, whether it be through music or direct insults.
NOT all the young...but, some must believe the following fantasies about themselves, and it's likely that this is what management is counting on.
They obviously believe the old geezers do not have a chance in hell with the girls, right? So, why get so hot and bothered over whether an old geezer is playing the game right along side them or not?
Could it be.....Ego? Could it be that the old geezers threaten their egos? Who knows...I don't get it.
Could it be that they are admitting, on a subconscious level, as is evidenced by their effort to insult the sensibilities of the old geezers, that the old geezers are most certainly able to obtain, from the very same girls that the younger among them claim would never touch them, a level of debauchery that is almost unsurpassed by the young among them.
The young are sometimes naive, in-experienced, and have a mistaken perception that somehow the old geezers have no chance whatsoever with these girls. It is no wonder they are blind sided by the old geezers. The young can not comprehend how a male twice their age could possibly steal the girls away from them, they with their young, hard asses, with their bulging muscles, flat stomachs, hard bodies, and long haired or wavy hair lines.
God forbid, the old geezers might embarrass the young impetuous fools at their own game. Could it be that the management is praying that the old geezers will not thwart the young fools, and that the young fools will instead stay in the clubs to impetuously throw away money carelessly on the girls as the music blasts away. Because, the old geezers sure ain't gonna' do it.
The reality is, the old geezers are getting the best ass, while also simultaneously hording their pesos, getting everything from their girls that their hearts and loins desire.
Could it be that these young types are blinded by their own self proclaimed prowess, when really they partake in wasted antics, intended to impress the girls, all of which are based on some macho male, ego maniacal, stereotypical understanding of women?
Some young males DO NOT understand women, and the girls see right through them. That's what the management is counting on. So, the young dudes congratulate themselves on their self perceived youthful superiority, believing their youth is the result of their own accomplishment, and refusing to instead acknowledge that their youth is a blessing of time and nature.
They foolishly do not consider the wisdom and experience of age, nor do they totally comprehend what an advantage the old geezers truly have in the long run psychologically and intellectually.
Plus...
Don't they know that all the old geezers have to do is turn down their hearing aids and the music will have NO EFFECT upon them!!! :-))) Come 'On... :-))) They will have to do better than that!
[QUOTE=Amigomio]Now am really contradicting you.
Seems you don't know how the new generations work.
The use of loud noise is precisely to get rid of old geezers.
And that is not exclusive of SCs.
It's inclusive of all joints up and down legal and irregular businesses.
They use loud music to scare the old folk away and it works.
Hell, my wife stopped going to a beauty parlor cause they play music loud.
The barber shop where I take my son plays loud music. I have to take him cause my wife hates it.
I went to a parents school night to celebrate a young single mom's birthday.
Guess what, all of the present ones were 30somethings and they got kareoke for fun playing music so loud you couldn't talk to the guy to your side.
So stop saying that it's a detriment when it's an asset for them.
If it filters the old and play loud to ring in young customers AND it works, they are going to use it.
Let me tell you that I spoke to the manager that now oversees the Harem, Casino and Bahamas... sorry to tell you but they are going to do the same thing to Casino.
I told him the music was too loud at Harem... he just stared at me and said "no it ain't"[/QUOTE]
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My friend USB tends to forget that Monterrey as in other big Mexican cities, we tend to have to deal with young customers with money in their pockets and with no qualms to spend 1000, 2000, 3000 pesos on the girls.
This is a new generation of customers I get to see on a weekly, semi daily basis and I have seen them grow in numbers.
It is hard to deal with 2 things in the business:
The notion that the girl has a regular steady boyfriend AND a customer that has tons of money AND is handsom.
It doesn't matter if they don't know how to treat a girl, they still have the money and that's the first thing in the set of rules that the girls have in mind.
I will state as an example what I see at the Obsession MC, where for a period of several months there was an epidemic of pregnancies among the girls.
This due to the fact that some of the girls were "novias" with hunks with money that would take them on trips, would give them fine gifts and spend tons of money on them when visiting them at the clubs.
And I know several of these girls, dealing with a regular BF and said "BF" with money to spend.
Another part of the girls makes them shut down their brain, and think only in money and no other consequences and that means having sex with no protection, ergo the pregnancies.
Nooooo sir.
The girls don't want to be treated nicely.
Firstly they want money.
Nextly, they want money.
Thirdly, they might like to pass a breif tranquile moment.
Fourthly, check "Firstly".
The young and new customers are evil, cause they hate our presence at the clubs and they don't hide the fact at all.
Addendum:
By the way, I forgot to add another place where they play the music so loud as to scare the older folk away, and this is in the USA as a matter of fact:
At the Abercrombie & Fitch and the Abercrombie stores.
The music is so loud, my wife stays outside the store and Iam the one that has to go in with my son to buy his stuff.
[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Well, I thought we "old geezers" were all washed up, that we were all of little consequence, having no game, no attractiveness left, no ability to charm, no ability to solicit desire from females half our age, etc...Why would they feel we are such a huge threat to them? Why soooooo much jealousy and angst?
If the former be true, what could possibly be worrying the young so much about the old geezers that they would want to eliminate them from the party by insulting their sensibilities, whether it be through music or direct insults.
NOT all the young...but, some must believe the following fantasies about themselves, and it's likely that this is what management is counting on.
They obviously believe the old geezers do not have a chance in hell with the girls, right? So, why get so hot and bothered over whether an old geezer is playing the game right along side them or not?
Could it be.....Ego? Could it be that the old geezers threaten their egos? Who knows...I don't get it.
Could it be that they are admitting, on a subconscious level, as is evidenced by their effort to insult the sensibilities of the old geezers, that the old geezers are most certainly able to obtain, from the very same girls that the younger among them claim would never touch them, a level of debauchery that is almost unsurpassed by the young among them.
The young are sometimes naive, in-experienced, and have a mistaken perception that somehow the old geezers have no chance whatsoever with these girls. It is no wonder they are blind sided by the old geezers. The young can not comprehend how a male twice their age could possibly steal the girls away from them, they with their young, hard asses, with their bulging muscles, flat stomachs, hard bodies, and long haired or wavy hair lines.
God forbid, the old geezers might embarrass the young impetuous fools at their own game. Could it be that the management is praying that the old geezers will not thwart the young fools, and that the young fools will instead stay in the clubs to impetuously throw away money carelessly on the girls as the music blasts away. Because, the old geezers sure ain't gonna' do it.
The reality is, the old geezers are getting the best ass, while also simultaneously hording their pesos, getting everything from their girls that their hearts and loins desire.
Could it be that these young types are blinded by their own self proclaimed prowess, when really they partake in wasted antics, intended to impress the girls, all of which are based on some macho male, ego maniacal, stereotypical understanding of women?
Some young males DO NOT understand women, and the girls see right through them. That's what the management is counting on. So, the young dudes congratulate themselves on their self perceived youthful superiority, believing their youth is the result of their own accomplishment, and refusing to instead acknowledge that their youth is a blessing of time and nature.
They foolishly do not consider the wisdom and experience of age, nor do they totally comprehend what an advantage the old geezers truly have in the long run psychologically and intellectually.
Plus...
Don't they know that all the old geezers have to do is turn down their hearing aids and the music will have NO EFFECT upon them!!! :-))) Come 'On... :-))) They will have to do better than that![/QUOTE]
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Ok then, I accept all of that...But, that still does not explain the jealousy, and outright disdain by the young self perceived superiors to the old geezers.
What do they have to fear from the old geezers? The young ones believe themselves to be far superior, so why all the angst?
Old geezers that enjoy GFE encounters, and enjoy them in their most intense form, strive to find the very small percentage of girls that DO want to be treated nicely, want something more than just the money, and are legitimately attracted and "open" to an older male. That doesn't negate the money component, but it does transcend the normal bar girl attitude.
Those kinds of girls do exist, all be it in admittedly smaller proportion compared to the larger majority that are strictly money oriented. The girls that are open to old geezers are termed by some as "CRAZY," apparently crazier than the normal crazy bar girl. Frankly, I don't really care whether they are crazy, provided they deliver what I like, and are not dangerous, verdad?
Many times, when girls are represented to me as HOT, I recognize they are not of the small number of "unique" types that are open to me. No matter how hot they are, once I interview them, sometimes spending more than I should to make this determination, but generally within a shorter period of time, I give up on them, willingly, except to otherwise sometimes patronize them in the bars as friends once they are disqualified. I still buy them a drink or two, just to socialize, and simply to extend a kindness. Ultimately, the bottom line is, they must have something in their makeup that distinguishes them from the normal bar girl attitude, which consists of girls that are strictly after the money, and not open to my generation.
Some young males have no understanding whatsoever about what motivates a woman. That's the obstacle that results in their frustration, which is projected onto the old geezer crowd, magnified by their jealousy of the old geezer's apparent successes, and contrary to their self perceived youthful superiority complex.
Success in the emotional realm, with females, results in the MOST intense sex possible. Those that fail to understand that basic truth, fail to fully experience the depth of satisfaction that they could be experiencing. As a result of their own psychological neurosis, they have a misplaced jealousy of the old geezer that routinely achieves this. This jealousy is magnified to the point of the young one's display of jealousy, and self perceived superiority complex, etc... (ie: loud music, and openly articulated disdain of the old geezers).
And, yes, I used to love ANF. I remember a number of years ago when their clothing selections were high end casual, and their quality unsurpassed. They certainly do pander to impetuous youth these days. As a result, their appeal and reputation with the broadest cross section of the buying public, at least in the US, suffers greatly. I recall walking past their stores in the malls in years past, hords of customers, buying customers. Now, you walk past them, and they are comparatively empty, not to mention their degradation of quality merchandise.
[QUOTE=Amigomio]My friend USB tends to forget that Monterrey as in other big Mexican cities, we tend to have to deal with young customers with money in their pockets and with no qualms to spend 1000, 2000, 3000 pesos on the girls.
This is a new generation of customers I get to see on a weekly, semi daily basis and I have seen them grow in numbers.
It is hard to deal with 2 things in the business:
The notion that the girl has a regular steady boyfriend AND a customer that has tons of money AND is handsom.
It doesn't matter if they don't know how to treat a girl, they still have the money and that's the first thing in the set of rules that the girls have in mind.
I will state as an example what I see at the Obsession MC, where for a period of several months there was an epidemic of pregnancies among the girls.
This due to the fact that some of the girls were "novias" with hunks with money that would take them on trips, would give them fine gifts and spend tons of money on them when visiting them at the clubs.
And I know several of these girls, dealing with a regular BF and said "BF" with money to spend.
Another part of the girls makes them shut down their brain, and think only in money and no other consequences and that means having sex with no protection, ergo the pregnancies.
Nooooo sir.
The girls don't want to be treated nicely.
Firstly they want money.
Nextly, they want money.
Thirdly, they might like to pass a breif tranquile moment.
Fourthly, check "Firstly".
The young and new customers are evil, cause they hate our presence at the clubs and they don't hide the fact at all.
Addendum:
By the way, I forgot to add another place where they play the music so loud as to scare the older folk away, and this is in the USA as a matter of fact:
At the Abercrombie & Fitch and the Abercrombie stores.
The music is so loud, my wife stays outside the store and Iam the one that has to go in with my son to buy his stuff.[/QUOTE]
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If you're buying your son Abercrombie and Fitch I would say you're well off. But I didn't know people still wore that. Well not in the west coast anyways.
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Unfortunatly Tjmee, I don't live in the West coast, I live in Monterrey, Mx and that's what the kids are wearing here... every single one of them, 7/24, rain or shine.
[QUOTE=Tjmee]If you're buying your son Abercrombie and Fitch I would say you're well off. But I didn't know people still wore that. Well not in the west coast anyways.[/QUOTE]
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Just a quick question for you MP vets- When you pay for the hour is that one pop or multiple, or is it just ymmv?
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From what I gather, it's just one pop.
At some places, even if you pay for an hour the girl will be anxious to leave the room and send you on your way once you're finished.
[QUOTE=Ssmc2]Just a quick question for you MP vets- When you pay for the hour is that one pop or multiple, or is it just ymmv?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Amigomio]Unfortunatly Tjmee, I don't live in the West coast, I live in Monterrey, Mx and that's what the kids are wearing here... every single one of them, 7/24, rain or shine.[/QUOTE]The IHT had an interesting take yesterday on the latest fashion trends in Mexico:
[url]http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/10/06/america/06mexico.php?page=1[/url]
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[QUOTE=Ssmc2]Just a quick question for you MP vets- When you pay for the hour is that one pop or multiple, or is it just ymmv?[/QUOTE]
Misses($160-200) will give you multiples for one hour. Some establishments have now incorporated an ascenting price/time scale(i.e. 30min/40min/60min) which may permit two pops for the 60 minutes. Just negotiate upfront with the girl when she is presented to you. I am a 40-minute guy and I generally use the entire time(single shot) and I have only done multiples at Misses and a private privado when I pay for and hour and a hour and a half, respectively.
Most of these establishments are well run and are looking for repeat business. Right now, this is a very competitive industry due to the collapsing global economic environment. I am now seeing some places offering better girls for lower prices. This in just a four month time period. Also, I have recently been frequenting the S/C's and have been offered 6's and 7's at the lower end clubs for $60-70 for 1.5 hours before their shift starts. Some attractive dance club girls offer themselves for $40/hour. However, I do not recommend or partake with these girls as they generally do not possess or are required to have health cards.
I believe that the next 18 months are going to provide an unprecedented value for mongering both here and in the U.S.
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It's strictly on a MP by MP basis, Precocious.
You are only mentioning the big daddy of them all that's Misses.
But for example, at Signore and similar they even specify that it's one pop.
At other places located on Diego de Montemayor like Subasta de Virgenes its 200 pesos per pop, 350 pesos per pop at Horoscope, 250 pesos per pop at Havana and so on.
If you want more, you need to pay again the starting price.
Yes, at place like Casa Rosa and Samara, they offer a 200 starting price for 20 minutes and 300 for half an hour, but that's also for one pop.
I don't know at Dr. Coss 713 norte... that is your forté.
[QUOTE=Precocious One]Misses($160-200) will give you multiples for one hour. Some establishments have now incorporated an ascenting price/time scale(i.e. 30min/40min/60min) which may permit two pops for the 60 minutes. Just negotiate upfront with the girl when she is presented to you. I am a 40-minute guy and I generally use the entire time(single shot) and I have only done multiples at Misses and a private privado when I pay for and hour and a hour and a half, respectively.
Most of these establishments are well run and are looking for repeat business. Right now, this is a very competitive industry due to the collapsing global economic environment. I am now seeing some places offering better girls for lower prices. This in just a four month time period. Also, I have recently been frequenting the S/C's and have been offered 6's and 7's at the lower end clubs for $60-70 for 1.5 hours before their shift starts. Some attractive dance club girls offer themselves for $40/hour. However, I do not recommend or partake with these girls as they generally do not possess or are required to have health cards.
I believe that the next 18 months are going to provide an unprecedented value for mongering both here and in the U.S.[/QUOTE]
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I wish I found this site/thread sooner. I have been to MTY a few times over the last few months and had it in the back of my mind to check out these activities. I'm in town this week and staying in the central part of town at one of the larger hotels.
From what I've read, it seems like I might do myself good to get over to Infinito. I've read some of the reviews and found the excellent map that AmigoMio put together.
Is it worth my while to go there tonight (a Tuesday), and if so is there a protocol this super-obvious ultra white gringo with big blue eyes should follow?
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Against most advice here, I went to Reno tonight. Why? Because it's right around the corner from my hotel and I'm not sure if I feel comfortable about going up to Infinito just yet. I could use a local guide for a trip in that section.
I walked into Reno on this Monday night. It was dead. Lots of women. ONE male patron on a couch with a girl. Nobody dancing on the stage. But I'm already, in so I figured I'd give it it's due.
I got a Sol beer ($50p) and was quickly introduced to Sonia, a spunky red head beauty. I'd give her about a 7. Nice full figure, tiny tiny gut, but overall not so bad. I offer to buy her a drink, which she accepts. The server tells me it's $220p for her drink since it covers her "social time" with me. So, whatever. There wasn't anything else going on here. With the $100p door charge, I was already up to almost $400p before she got comfortable next to me.
We had a good talk, she sat on my lap and stroked me through my pants and tried to get me into the private room where it's $2000p for an hour or $1000p for 25 minutes. I asked her to give me her version of what, exactly, that entails. She was forthright and said she likes to give a BJ and HJ. I didn't bother asking for the upcharge for BBBJ. I jokingly, but half serious said, I'd like to get you back to my hotel and she laughed and said "that's impossible". DOH!
So I finished my drink and said I'd think about the private room, but I purposely only brought a little bit of cash to check out the place (which was true). She did the pressure sell of trying to convince me I could use a credit card (which I didn't bring with me anyway).
So, advice was dead on. Stay away. Rip off. I only went because it was a 1 block walk from my hotel (FA) and I just didn't feel ready for the taxi ride. Total spend was only $40 USD or so.
Amigo. I know you don't know me, but if you happen to be going by Infinito this week on Tue or Wed night, please PM me. I could use a local guide.
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[QUOTE=Amigomio]It's strictly on a MP by MP basis, Precocious.
You are only mentioning the big daddy of them all that's Misses.
But for example, at Signore and similar they even specify that it's one pop.
At other places located on Diego de Montemayor like Subasta de Virgenes its 200 pesos per pop, 350 pesos per pop at Horoscope, 250 pesos per pop at Havana and so on.
If you want more, you need to pay again the starting price.
Yes, at place like Casa Rosa and Samara, they offer a 200 starting price for 20 minutes and 300 for half an hour, but that's also for one pop.
I don't know at Dr. Coss 713 norte... that is your forté.[/QUOTE]
As you know, I generally don't do the low-end places. The lowest I have been on a regular basis is D'Angy(40/40 minutes) because a girl there gave me incredible service. I am fairly positive I could have gotten two pops for $40, but that's just not my style. If you are a regular at a particular place and are a respected customer(treat the women well/no complaints), a good operator(Misses, Romanos, Extravagance, Signore and most others) tends to leave the rules up to the girl.
I am fairly positive about one thing. Some of these MP's that incorporate stringent rules(no touching or kissing;permitted upselling) with their girls(Estetica Roma, Le Baron;$50/40 minutes) are going to be in for a rude economic awakening. I don't know if it's just me, but some S/C girls are now currently offering deals that will make a few of these MP's obsolete if they choose not to modify their policies. When you can get 1.5-2 hours as opposed to 40 minutes for $30 more with substantially better unregulated service, there is unequivocally no question in regards to who presents the better value.
I would rather stay at home and jack off to some good quality porn than patronize a few of these MP's.
But then again I won't need to. I'll just head on over to the S/C's.
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[QUOTE=Phlmonger]Against most advice here, I went to Reno tonight. Why? Because it's right around the corner from my hotel and I'm not sure if I feel comfortable about going up to Infinito just yet. I could use a local guide for a trip in that section.
I walked into Reno on this Monday night. It was dead. Lots of women. ONE male patron on a couch with a girl. Nobody dancing on the stage. But I'm already, in so I figured I'd give it it's due.
I got a Sol beer ($50p) and was quickly introduced to Sonia, a spunky red head beauty. I'd give her about a 7. Nice full figure, tiny tiny gut, but overall not so bad. I offer to buy her a drink, which she accepts. The server tells me it's $220p for her drink since it covers her "social time" with me. So, whatever. There wasn't anything else going on here. With the $100p door charge, I was already up to almost $400p before she got comfortable next to me.
We had a good talk, she sat on my lap and stroked me through my pants and tried to get me into the private room where it's $2000p for an hour or $1000p for 25 minutes. I asked her to give me her version of what, exactly, that entails. She was forthright and said she likes to give a BJ and HJ. I didn't bother asking for the upcharge for BBBJ. I jokingly, but half serious said, I'd like to get you back to my hotel and she laughed and said "that's impossible". DOH!
So I finished my drink and said I'd think about the private room, but I purposely only brought a little bit of cash to check out the place (which was true). She did the pressure sell of trying to convince me I could use a credit card (which I didn't bring with me anyway).
So, advice was dead on. Stay away. Rip off. I only went because it was a 1 block walk from my hotel (FA) and I just didn't feel ready for the taxi ride. Total spend was only $40 USD or so.
Amigo. I know you don't know me, but if you happen to be going by Infinito this week on Tue or Wed night, please PM me. I could use a local guide.[/QUOTE]
I never comment on the S/C's as they are not my thing. Also, there are others that post here that are far more experienced than me regarding the S/C's and I generally leave it to them in disseminating information but I am going to make an exception here.
You went to Reno or the Mandalay Bay Casino? What the fu_k are you doing paying Las Vegas prices for in Monterrey, MX? Five dollars for a beer? Twenty-two dollars for a ficha? Ten dollar door charge? On a Monday night?
Phlmonger. Head on over to Givenchy tonight or tommorow. They have two for one beers($1.00 each) and fichas are six dollars. Five dollar table dances. The Tangalay(across the street) offers four table dances for $10.00 when the girls are presented on-stage but no drink specials.
Remember. This is Mexico not Las Vegas.
P.S.
Don't know if this is your thing but Motley Crue is playing tonight at the Monterrey Arena at 9:00 PM. Ticket prices are $30-150 and can be purchased right at the gate.
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And precisely Precocious, that's what am saying.
You are the man for the medium and up MPs.
You know them like the palm of your hand.
[QUOTE=Precocious One]As you know, I generally don't do the low-end places. The lowest I have been on a regular basis is D'Angy(40/40 minutes) because a girl there gave me incredible service. I am fairly positive I could have gotten two pops for $40, but that's just not my style. If you are a regular at a particular place and are a respected customer(treat the women well/no complaints), a good operator(Misses, Romanos, Extravagance, Signore and most others) tends to leave the rules up to the girl.
I am fairly positive about one thing. Some of these MP's that incorporate stringent rules(no touching or kissing;permitted upselling) with their girls(Estetica Roma, Le Baron;$50/40 minutes) are going to be in for a rude economic awakening. I don't know if it's just me, but some S/C girls are now currently offering deals that will make a few of these MP's obsolete if they choose not to modify their policies. When you can get 1.5-2 hours as opposed to 40 minutes for $30 more with substantially better unregulated service, there is unequivocally no question in regards to who presents the better value.
I would rather stay at home and jack off to some good quality porn than patronize a few of these MP's.
But then again I won't need to. I'll just head on over to the S/C's.[/QUOTE]