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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Laloupe
[i]hi
Could you tell me where are asiatics girls in paris?
are they beautifuls?
how much is it?
how many times?
please a long report about it.
thanks [/i][/QUOTE]
LaLoupe,
The only Asian (Chinese) girls working in Paris I know at the present time are SW between Porte Dorée and Porte de St Mandé on the back street parrallel to the Bd Soult.
I had one last Saturday, 30 year old , 40 € for a full service no rush in the car ,(they will also go to hotel near by) BJ are also available for 30€, they are probably 4 to 5 girls working there in the afternoons.
Bonne Chance.
Denis
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Denis
[i]
The only Asian (Chinese) girls working in Paris I know at the present time are SW between Porte Dorée and Porte de St Mandé on the back street parrallel to the Bd Soult.
[/i][/QUOTE]As far as I know, they are Chinese girls working around the Strasbourg Saint Denis metro station. They usually keep walking around the station, and on the Boulevard de Strasbourg, up to the Chateau d'Eau metro station. In the good days there must be about 10 of them.
Beware, they are all above 30, and some of them are total dogs.
They usually ask 30 Euros for themselves and 30 Euros for the Hotel. So that's 60 euros total. If you're a cheap bastard, you can get the price down to 50 euros.
I've also seen half a dozen of Chinese girls (same, about 30 to 50, not too pretty) working around the Belleville metro station, near the Chinese restaurant called The President.
But believe me, I live in China now, and those SW you can find on Paris'streets are like the ugliest bottom end of what China has to offer.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Boofer
[i] Most other times, the white chicks are racist and wont come near you unless if you are european looking. I guess they had so much shit from the Algerians living in France so they avoid all dark men. [/i][/QUOTE]Sorry mate, but I have to take offense at your comment.
First, I'm Algerian and I' whiter than most French people I know. So much for you 'dark men' comment.
Second, why would Algerians give SWs more "shit" than other nationalities ? That was a hell of a prejudiced and racist comment if I ever saw one.
And last but not least, I never had any problem with any white chick from St Denis street or wherever. Not ONCE have I been rejected because I was Algerian. And I've seen black dudes going with white or North-African chicks more than once.
As far as I know, the only people St Denis street girls are prejudiced against are Pakistanis/Indians, for a reason I ignore.
And, to all of you tourists who go to St Denis street, remember well : the "universal" going price for FS is 50 euros. Not one penny less, not one penny more. I've read different reports talking of 60 or even 80 euros. Sounds like the girls levied an " unaware tourist tax" there... :-)
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Update on the scene in the Bois de Vincennes
Now most of the actions are done in minivans parked on the roads in the wood.
I have counted yesterday evening around 120 minivans, so there are plenty to choose from, the majority of the girls are blacks from Ghana and Nigeria, most of them are young and clean and pretty, services offered are mostly BJ for 20€ and FS for 30€ but if you are in something different like anal, or 2 girls, I am sure they will provide, as long as you have Euros. They are located when you go from the Chateau de Vincennes (Vincennes’s Castel) to the Hippodrome (horse race track).
In front of the Park Floral you will find Vans with Moroccan, Tunisian and Algerian girls, same rates but they are normally old , fat and ugly.
The bois de Vincennes does not provide Transsexual like the Bois de Boulogne does.
The area is pretty safe, police will not bother you. My only recommendation is to go from 11.00am to 10.00pm (I least you can see what you are buying as it is still not dark.) Also by experience have in your pocket only what you are willing to spend. I do not say they will try to rob you but !.
Have fun.
Denis
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You can find some street action around Porte Maillot (near the Concorde Lafayette and the Meridien hotel).
Accross the huge Palais des Congres (Exhibition Center) there is a big traffic circle. Just drive/walk around this traffic circle. Near a small brickwall they are usually 3/4 Eastern European girls waiting to be picked up. They are in their early 20s and relatively good looking.
The action takes place in the parking lot under the Exhibition Center (very safe, it is usually quiet). The girls can either go in your car or walk with you there (fun but very unconfortable since you FS in an open-air area).
Near the entrance of the parking lot there is also a blond-haired French woman in her 40's, but her body is still hot. She usually sits in her own car, which is good when you're a pedestrian. Action takes place in the parking lot as well, in her car.
Prices for both the Eastern Europeans and the French woman : 30 euros for BJ, 50 euros for FS.
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Dear Velcro:
I remember the club you are referring to!!! I went once in late 2001 and two more times in early 2002. I am from the U.S. so I can not tell you if it is still open. The club changed names between my visits. It was first called the "Triangle" and later changed its name to "Le Abyss" or something like that. This information is true as of early 2002, so mongers please report any changes. It is located on 13 Rue de Argentuil. This is one of the few swingers' clubs that admit unaccompanied men. The owner (Jean- Luc, I believe was his name) and his wife manage the place and keep the atmosphere going with dances, etc, but do not engage in action. The owner does not speak any English, but was very accomodating to me despite my highly elementary French. Your experience was absolutely typical. Many days you would go and nothing would happen, but once the action got started then everybody followed. I do have to disagree with you. I do not think the girls were hired entertainer. I think these were just horny women who were regulars. The incentive is that the couples as well as unaccompanied women pay next to nothing as enterance fee, as opposed to unaccompanied mongers like us who pay close to 80 Euros for the evening session.
I had a lot of fun there, and made a few friends with the locals. If anyone else knows what happened of this place I'd like to know.
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Street action in Paris.
It is now clear that the French police has made much headway and significatly reduced street action in Paris itself. I have just been walking all through rue Saint Denis. I doubt if the street can still be considered as a reason to visit Paris.
If you happen to go to Paris, and time is not an issue, you may have a go. Otherwise, forget it.
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My question is to eFrog: Can you give me an estimate on how much the African girls typically charge for all night at the Ruby's club?
Phil
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I had a terrible experience in Paris two weeks ago and I am writing this and hoping that none of have to go through it. I cannot stress it enough but Paris is a total rip off. My buddy and I had read many reports here that said that american bars will be a total ripoff but I guess we had to learn it the hard way.
We went to Pigalle area on a Monday night. The area had a lot of bars and strip clubs there with escorts actively convincing guys to go in and check out the club. They seem to do everything possible just to get you in the club. Because once you're in they know they have got you. We were roaming around and came across this guy (his name was Jesse I think) and he approched us and asked us if we wanted to see live sex shows in the club. He said the entrance was 10 euros and included a drink. At that point we should have said "NO" reading all the reviews from this board but as they say "curiosity gets the cat" and so did it get us. We asked him how many girls there were inside and what their nationality was etc. He asked us to take a look inside. We resisted saying that we dont really want to go but he said it was no problem at all and we had no obligation to stay if we did not want to. Remember, these guys will pretend to be your best friends while they try to get you in. So me and my buddy step inside just to see what its like.
As soon as we stepped inside we saw that the whole club was empty of customers. Thats a BIG WARNING to leave immediately from any of these clubs. There were about 4 girls and one unattractive hostess. They sort of came onto us. One girl grabbed me and the other grabbed my buddy. They took us in saying it was ok and we should just see what is there inside. Immediately, they made us sit on the sofas and started flirting with us. Within seconds this hostess came and asked me what drink I would like (now remember one drink was included with the entrance so we thought it was ok) She brought me a coke and within seconds brought another drink for the girl. My buddy had the same experience. He asked the girl who will be paying for the drinks and she said she will. Within seconds, a black girl started performing some sort of show. Now remember all this is happening very fast (before we could realize that this was going on) The girl and the show was terrible and lasted only about a few minutes and then she came over to us looking for tips but we ignored her.
All the while girls continued to flirt with us touching us and asking the usual questions like where you were from (since we were from states and obviusly they knew that we were tourists). Now we had read all these reports and we knew something was wrong so we tried to leave but again they insisted that we stayed. Again, the girls started to bring cigarettes from the bar and when we refused they said that it was for them. Then the hostess brought a champagne for the girl and that point we just got up forcefully and started to leave towards the door.
At this point, the girls started to scream and ran after us towards the door. The hostess closed the door and started screaming at us too saying that we were trying to leave without paying the bill. We agreed to pay the 10 euro each as was promised to us but she said that we must pay 850 euros!!!!!!! Yes, you read it right - 850 euros. We were totally shocked and realized that all that we had read was actually happening to us. We started arguing with the girls and the hostess, but they screamed back all the while pushing us and asking us for the money. They got very rude and violent, not the girls that they earlier were pretending to be. According to them they charged us 20 euro each for our soft drinks, 80 euro each for the girls soft drinks, some 100 euro for the show, about 100 euro each for the girl's company, other x euros for the girls touching us, and so on making a total of 850 euros. At this point we demanded to speak with the guy who let us in. He came in and acted differently as well. He said he would help us out but in a way was threatening us. He was very rude and argued with us also. He said he would help us and tried to reduce the bill to 360 euros as if he was doing a favor to us because we were students and tourists. BULLSHIT! They were all involved in this conspiracy. Anyway after much arguing we decided to pay them the 360 euros for both of us and decided to leave and end it there. There was nothing we could do at that point except to put an end to this.
The name of the bar was Eva Bar on Pigalle.
I strongly suggest that you do not try to seek any such adventures in Paris, it will bring you nothing but disappointment like it did to us. Instead, save your money and goto German FKK clubs. Thats where me and my buddy headed to after a few days and had the greatest time of our life (see posts in german fkk clubs on atlantis and oase).
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I will be in Paris shortly and was hoping for some affordable fun. All the Parisian escorts on the web want quite exhorbitant donations. If they have chased all the SW's away from the places noted in this forum, that leaves trying my luck at some of the bars mentioned herein. I have also looked into the possibility of hanging out at a Club Libertin (swing club), but I haven't gotten a good sense that it would be worth my time and Euros.
Unless someone has a current suggestion for me, I may return home fully loaded. If I find anything, I shall surely let you know.
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To Phil.
I'd be happy to have eFrog's estimate. What I can say is that girls have very different prices, depending on the girl herself, the hour, the day (Saturday will of course be more expensive, Sunday is closed if I remember well). Expect something in the range of 150-200 Euros to 300 Euros (plus taxi if you have no car).
Pretty girls arrive "early" (around midnight) but often find somebody very quickly too.
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Hi Phil, Hi Getopardo,
I will not add too much to what Getopardo says : it is right. For very upscale (and she knows she is) negotiation will start at 400 or even 500. But read well : NEGOTIATION START, meaning you need to make your deal.
At all this is also business : demand offer and final adjustment :-)))
Well, realize that it will anyway be less than most US escort for an hour and if you are nice to them... you will get more for your money... GFE is not impossible.
The beauty of the place is that you don't have all the usual crap : bottle ro pay to get the girl out, lots of drinks overpriced, ... basically your stay in the place cost will be the same as in a good level disco or club... it is not McDonald anyway... and you cannot compare with a 1€ expresso on the counter in a Paris bar, that makes me always questionning when same in US costs 3,50 $ and more... Coffee machine at StarBuck should be gold platted at least... ;-) see : other countries, other issues...
Now I cannot end without couple of words about the post FKK Newbie.
With kids, you tell them "fire burns, fire burns, fire burns" until they touch, get burned and for life knows that fire burns...
As they are newbies... normal...
but all of us here have spent tons of messages, not sure it is enough, to tell about Pigalle, the bars, ...
Don't complain... If you don't read, don't listen, then you have to learn... that's life.
You say you looked as students... OK consider that this was the school money.
This can happen to you not only in Paris, so don't say "Paris blablabla..."
Next time get rue Blondel and you will get your MD in poorest Paris S places...
If you want you can now try the same in Soho London, Brussels, Athen,... and even in Germany where you had a so great time.
Let me tell you a short story.
Couple of years ago, I was entertaining two US buddies in Cologne Germany.
Against my advice, they did want to check about the bar scene around the Train Station... old story : a cab driver coming from the airport told them...
Sorry my US friends, but they had a very typical US attitude : "we know better" even if this was their first time in the city ;-).
You know like... ooops no politics here... sorry, apologize, etc...
Well I did decide to go for the "Fire burns" strategy. It was anyway their money, and you cannot argue with two guys soooo sure...
We went to the excellent address they got from their cab expert driver.
Two clubs were next to each other.
So they decided to get say in A.
Immediatly I had a bad feeling. (experience maybe)
So I told them : stay here take a drink at the bar and I will check B , the other one with a short drink get back and we decide which to stay.
So we did. I went to the second place, that was... at least acceptable, spend 15 minutes : drink and a quick checking talk with the bartender as I am fluent in German also.
I came back to pick my buddies and I couldn't believe what I saw.
My guys were at the bar standing as expected....
but surrounded by 6 girls + bartender with champagne glasses in hand...
Three bottles were already killed and I just came in to see (this unseen from my friends) the bartender pouring a half bottle vintage champagne (not the German shitty sparkling wine) in the sink...
15 minutes and they were already with a tab 4 digits $.
Kids ... and they got burned...
I did expect a lesson but I couldn't imagine they were running for Guiness Book record in 15 minutes...
Well they paid, they had this kind of money to throw out.
We went to the other place and to make it short : one of the guys dated during 2 years, when in Europe, one of the girls he met in the "better choice".
Lesson of the story : you cannot make the people happy against their willing.
So FKK Newbie : I strongly suggest you to visit now a London Soho Club... it is next step in your monger education and be prepared you will also face a very rude security "bear" guy to help you lose your money. And please forget to read here or to visit the ********* web site, there is no use : own experience , man, that's all in life. :-))))
Why on earth are we writing reports and give comments, if nobody reads... ;-)))
Next time we will write reports about cooking, sightseeing,... whatelse... but SG ? why ?
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Hello eFrog,
I totally agree with you that we had made a mistake by checking out the club even after having read the reviews. The whole point of my posting the message was that no one else makes the mistake that we made. Lot of times people have the mentality that "it cannot happen to us" and thats what I was trying to illustrate that "it could and does happen to you". Plus things happened so fast that day and by the time we realized it, it was too late. But never mind, because a lesson learned the hard way is never forgotten..
A note about the FKK clubs - I was not talking about the general clubs and bars of germany where similar things like Pigalle could happen. FKK clubs are very professional, safe and value for your money. You have to visit it to believe it.
Lastlly, dont think that messages posted here are not read by anyone or not taken seriously. If we had not read the messages here, we would have never known to get out of the situation (in Pigalle) as soon as we did. Maybe they would have charged us even more. So reading the messages DID help! Plus, tons of other valuable information that we have learned about all the other places like fkk, ba etc. have all been derived from forums like these. So please don't be disappointed and keep the posts coming :) Peace!
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You guys made a big mistake in Pigalle. You should NEVER have paid the 360 euros. Instead all you had to do was tell them that you wanted them to call the police immediately. They would resist, but then your response shuld be if you touch me, I will have the police here to close you down." Especially with two of you - you have a "witness." If they resisted again, you say that the police knows what they do here and the police do not want trouble.
Pigalle is a tourist area and they do not want trouble. At the most you should have offered 50 euros.
Expensive lesson
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Sounds like we will have to get on this board and regularly sound off warnings on Pigalle/de Clichy areas like we all do in the London Board about the same kind of shit in Soho's clubs and ripoffs.
Never ever go in any club or bar in the Pig Alley (Pigalle) area of Paris. (MOULIN ROUGE excepted)
I was supposed to check out a massage spa club in Pigalle last time in Paree but I still can't bring myself to go near the area.
Even though the police have taken a lot of W/G's off the streets there were still plenty working Madelaine/St Augustine/St Malesherbes area. Also saw some nice ones by Porte Maillot.
Problem is the cops are targeting the W/G's and the fuckin gypsies are still thick as hell in the tourist areas.