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@ damaja: Tyrone Hill? dunno that guy, but i'm from Europe so basketball isn't quite my cup of tea; with such a name he only can be black, so you gotta be a brotha too ;)
I was pretty lucky to find some freelancers on the other end of Copacabana (between the hotels Copacabana Palace and Meridien)...a beachfront bar called Balcony, there's lotsa fun places in the neighbouring streets behind it too but i don't remember any names. As far as i'm concerned you can find freelancers outside of Help at the restaurant (i was always lucky), but don't ask me about Help...
cheers
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I went to Baronneti of Ipanema on a Sat night by my hotel’s recommendation for normal girls. My buddy and I paid for R$65 each. This includes R$60 drink something. Girls pay for R$35. There were not many good-looking girls that night. Tried to make eye contact with several girls without success. 2 girls seem to be interested in us. However, one is too skinny and the other’s ass is too big. We took a pass.
By 1:30AM, we decided to hit Help for the sure thing. When we left, there are a lot of people waiting to get in the club.
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I´m surprised that some gringos are willingly to pay the girls up to 300 reais. What´s the reason to overpay them?
This makes the girls trying to overcharge other gringos.
Regardless if I buy a t-shirt or pay a girl I would feel foolish paying three times as much as necessary.
I rather spend 300 reais on 12 girls at Vila Mimosa. Could be fun lining them up next to each other.... : )
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Thanks Sperto,
From reading the reports (2004's and 2003's), I got the impression 300R was on the high side, but to each their own. It's really kinda hard to put a "price" on a good time, but it's human nature for people to try to get away with as much as you'll let them.
I was reading about VM. How far away is it by taxi from Copa beach? How much should I expect to pay for the girls there?
The conditions look pretty shitty, and probably not something I want to do on my first visit, but I know my adventurous side will probably get the best of me to atleast check it out anyway.
Later
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Damaja,
You will pay 20R for 20 minutes at V.M. The conditions are not that great but have a few drinks and you will be ok. It is located in Central. It's about 25 minutes by cab from Copa. This depends on what time you go. Sometimes traffic is bad. Even if you don't participate in any extra activities you should go down there and have a couple of beers just to see what's going on. On a good night you will see hundreds of girls. Some good and some not so good. But you will see some winners. I had a couple of 10's down there. But remember the rooms are really small and uncomfortable. But it will be a good ideal to check it out. You won't see any tourist down there. This is the spot for the locals. I'm going to Rio April 2. I can't wait. I have Brasil on the brain.
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Damaja,
I have been reading the dialog here recently and have started to wonder if you're diminishing the joy of the trip. It seems that you are fishing for too much of a fix on price. My recommendation would be to use the experienced brethrens' advice as basic guidelines within which you do your own "negotiating". Who knows; the Mack in you just might be enough to get the hottest ladies; pros and non-pros alike -- for less $R or none at all.
Moreover, based on what I have discerned; you will do a "bang-up" job in Brazil; as long as you don't, "... throw water on a baby".
Have fun, and take some good fotos for those of us that are sick and shut in!
Ez
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300R
This is the high season in Rio, and most of the hot Help girls are INSISTING on 300R (about $110) and will walk away for less, even if you are handsome and know how to negotiate. This IS ridiculous, and is more than the monthly salary of many poor Brazilians, but once you have gone halfway around the world to get there, it is hard to argue over the extra money...
I also want to suggest to newbies, you may want to stay in Ipanema which is 10 times nicer and safer than Copacabana, has lots of great restaurants and is only a $3, 10 minute cab ride to Copa. Why shit where you eat? LOL It is like the difference between Manhattan and Brooklyn.
VM is about 20 mins by cab from Copa and is a truly grungy place, a whole different world from the luxury of Help or the Termas-- "It´s the third world afffffter all....."
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If they are willing to walk away for less than 300.reais "LET THEM WALK".... People have been saying they are asking too much for many years... If you refuse to pay that kind of price and they go home alone, often enough, they will start to negotiate...
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AMEN Ken! The reason they charge so much is that there are enough foreign fools who pay it. This only drives up prices for all of us and in Rio, land of pussy galore, this is completely unnecessary. Just walk away and find someone else. Go to a terma. Even if I had the money and didn't care I'd still feel a sense of duty to my colleaugues on this board to keep prices reasonable in the given culture. If you had any idea how much 300R really was there you'd see how crazy you'd be to pay it!
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And yet another amen...
I've been here in Rio for over a month now, and I have yet to pay 300 Reais for a girl, even for the Penelope Cruz look-alike I found in Help. When you consider that you can get laid for R$1 per minute in many of the grungier downtown termas, R$300 should only be paid to a true superstar (and those of you familiar with the term "microspinner" know what I mean.)
Two nights ago, while I was sitting at Terrific Asslantico, a garota approached and asked to sit down. She was kinda cute, loira, with really fair features. She started by asking R$400. After I finished wiping the tears of laughter from my eyes, I told her that I hadn't paid more than R$200 for anyone at T.A. or in Help. She said R$300. I ignored her. She said, "Ok, duzentos ta bom." I smiled, and started talking to my friends. Finally, she whispered to me "Duas horas, cem reais." It turned out she was a real winner for those two hours, and R$100 was a bargain.
Just remember, guys, only _you_ can prevent garota de programa inflation.
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There are several very hot Help girls who are very jaded (spoiled) and who have been to Europe (London, Zurich, and Barcelona) and think since they were making 500-1000 euros a night there, they can charge 400-500 Reis at Help. They stick to their price and don't negotiate. They stay at Help until the wee hours and walk away if they don't get their price that night, living off their European earnings until the right sucker (who will pay 500 Reis), comes along. Avoid these hotties at all cost, not just because they are overpriced, but also because they end up being a bad experience as well. For instance, refuse DFK, BBBJ, or shorten the session for any imaginable reason.
They are bad news, and will ruin a Rio experience when it can be so good with a less experienced girl.
Buyer Beware!
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Amen again. When a girl asks 400r, 300r its like she is asking are you stupid? Are you desperate? I don't care if it is their high season 200r is still a lot of money there--almost a typical month's salary for most people. There are too many other options like termas or escort services at a decent price to give in to that bullshit. Most times if you stick to your offer price the girl you want will get reasonable rather than go home to their bunk bed barracks empty handed. Dudes, be a man and don't get p-whipped in the girls a plenty land of Rio.
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Take a lesson from Nvr2L8, guys, that's how it's done!
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Great advice....
What nightclubs and restaurants do any guys suggest to visit for picking up non-pros?? Does Rio or Ipanema have any major shopping area (like a Mall) where many non-pro women congrugate to shop like here in America?? Are there party nights that are more bustling than others (like here in the States, with Fridays & Saturdays), or is any day of the cool?
Oh yeah....cellphones. What are the going daily rates for cellphone rentals....including calls to the US?
I know this is like 20 questions, but this should tie up the final loose end questions which have been on my mind on how to plan for the trip.
Thanks guys....
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damaja
How's your Portuguese??? If you are not pretty good you can pretty much forget picking up any non-pros......
Even if you go to another night club don’t expect too much. I have seen it and heard it many times before. Some young studs walk into a night club expecting it to be just like Help Disco. but with “non-pros.” and get snubbed by every girl in the place…They always wind up going back to Help to get laid..
If you do manage to meet a girl there, what makes you think she is a non-pro? They don't work every night and like to go out clubbing with their friends.. On more than one occasion I have seen many of the working girls at other clubs in town and sometimes they find a customer gullible enough to think they are not working.
It makes for a better sad story later when she asks you for $$$$$... “I got fired from my job and I have no money,, My rent is due and they will put me (and my baby or mother or whole family) in the street…..
I don’t want to go to Help Disco. I can't have sex with strangers for money.. but I’m desperate”…..
I keep telling you guys that you are not very likely to meet a non-pro in Copacabana or even in Ipanema…..
They know you’re a tourist..
You can’t speak the language..
They can’t speak any English, or just speak a few words….
You will be going back home in 1 or 2 weeks… what kind of relationship can you expect?
I have been living here in Rio for almost 3 years now and I can not tell you of ONE successful long distance relationship …. IT DOES NOT WORK…. If you want to meet someone and fall in love you will most likely have to MOVE to Brazil……