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Fish and Chips.
[QUOTE=Prosal;1321078]FYI, if the frenchs would have not been here to help, the US national dish would be fish and chips now. (rolleyes)[/QUOTE]Instead of talking about Pussies and Asses, you are now talking about another Double Act.
Educating The French on The Origin of Fish and Chips.
"Like Morecambe and Wise or Wallace and Gromit, fish and chips are a classic double act. And yet they started life as solo performers. And their roots are not as (British) as you might think.
The story of the humble chip goes back to the 17th Century to either Belgium or France, depending who you believe.
Oddly enough, the chip may have been invented as a substitute for fish, rather than an accompaniment. When the rivers froze over and nothing could be caught, resourceful housewives began cutting potatoes into fishy shapes and frying them as an alternative.
Around the same time, fried fish was introduced into Britain by Jewish refugees from Portugal and Spain.
The fish was usually sold by street sellers from large trays hung round their necks. Charles Dickens refers to an early fish shop or "fried fish warehouse" in Oliver Twist (1839) where the fish generally came with bread or baked potatoes.".
On a side note, Have you ever fucked a French Girl?
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In Kiev as well then.
[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1315007]And will definitely turn blue. Viagra Blue. Will be glad to meet with fellow hunters.[/QUOTE]In Kiev 23-1 looking for english comp for some shagg huntin.
Pm me
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Kiev sept 23- oct 1
For absolutely no reason but up to early on a Monday I booked tickets to Kiev.
Been skimmin the forum, some good, most trash or outdated.
Is there and good looking cheap women? Where is good gatherings?
Popular english speaking clubs?
My good looking mid 20s body isn't paying 200usd.
Anyone up for a beer whos on town? Pm me
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Police. Downtown
Victimed police tracking, hunting, running after italians with 2 hookers last night on Kretchatik.
They did not make it to the door before police stopped them.
Big hassle. I sat on a bench and watced for some minutes.
They were (all) more than not amused! Keep walking distances short!
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How to humanely dump a girlfriend?
[QUOTE=Stirling; 1320826]Must be a * to have those sort of problems, LOL. I had 2 in Canada and 2 in Austria and I don't have the time (or funds) to properly take advantage of them all. I bow to your superior abilities.
Stirling.[/QUOTE]Hey, it's not superior abilities. I am sure that you have the same. It's only that I don't have the balls to get rid of the old girlfriends!
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[QUOTE=GuythatlikesStuf;1320828]Almost any woman from the Ukraine will come to Vegas over Paris. It has to do with the possibility of finding away to stay in America. It is not being cultured that they care about. For opportunity they will do almost anything.[/QUOTE]Not true. Your assuming every hot Ukranian girl can strip. It's just not like that. For every girl that can strip, there are two that tried the job and could not do it and there are another two that would not even consider it. I've had a few stripper girlfriends and it's always the same story when you look at the over all picture of friends included.
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[QUOTE=Jojosun;1321104]Strippers for Free, Where and When.[/QUOTE]Chisinau, Tashkent, Piter and Bucarest.
Talking about strippers, here is an entertaining and well-written account of my comrade-in-arms Dirkdingy. A wild night in Tashkent featuring strippers and booze. Too bad that no one posts this kind of fun stories in the Kiev thread, it would be really refreshing.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1039-Tashkent&p=796630#post796630[/url]
A long-term GF (freebie) , stripper in the most upscale club of Piter. She comes to Paris as often as she can BTW, and never has enough of it.
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[QUOTE=Prosal;1321078]Tashkent[/QUOTE]Just to counterbalance the enthousiasm of some guys here about Rio, a great post of Roger Nebel. There is MUCH more fun and cheap strip venues if you have the balls to venture beyond the Caspian Sea. The last words are something anyone should have in mind also.
[I] "There's a pretty strange place called "FM Bar". It's just off broadway: If you walk from Amir Temur through Broadway, FM Bar is at the main crossing. Turn left towards Mirstor, keep to the right side, and you'll see it. There's a security guy outside the door, it's open after around 16:00 usually. It's as close to a striptease club that you can get in Tashkent, which means: The girls don't get totally naked, but stay in their underwear (with a few dancing exceptions).
You'll pay an entrance fee of around 3 $. Inside, the prices are very fair, a beer will set you back some 2$.
Usually, there are loads of girls and not very many guys in there. Some of the girls are absolutely stunning, while others look like they've been working their for too long.
Usually, they'll come to your table and ask you whether you want a lapdance or a massage. The lapdance is a normal lapdance, and after it's done you're expected to hand a tip to the girl (usually 3000 Sum (1. 5$) will do, if you really enjoyed the dance pay 5000 (2. 5 $).
The massage is a neck and shoulder massage. Try it out: Some of the girls are really, really good at that. If you had a hard day, getting such massage while having your beer at the same time is just simply great. The price is the same as for the lapdance. Usually, lapdance and massage last for the duration of one song.
Actually, I've never tried to take any of the girls there home (despite that it can be extremely tempting). From how well I know the region, however, it must be possible. Either the direct way (just ask them) , or the indirect way (invite them for dinner the next day, or ask them when they have free time). It's likely you'll get somewhere like this. I'll let know once I tried. But really, I can't imagine this to be anyhow difficult. Some of the girls might not go for it, but I'm absolutely sure most will. Again: Be nice, be a gentleman, treat them well. That's a very important trick here, because many of the local males tend to be total machos. And despite the fact that many local girls expect you to be a macho to an extent, you still impress most of them by being a gentle, nice, but at the same time decisive and visibly powerful sort of "alpha animal with a heart".
And bear in mind: There are no "two kinds of girls". It doesn't matter whether you are talking to a stripper or a girl you meet on the street. Their desires and life attitudes are mostly the same, and if you treat them right, you'll be successful." [/I]
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Sexual Power pills OTC
Anyone that has any experience with sexual power pills in pharmacy's in Kiev?
Is it possible to get Viagra etc. Without prescriptions?
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[QUOTE=Bimbo Boy;1320777]Any practical advice for gently dumping a girlfriend? I am serious, this is not a joke![/QUOTE]I wish I had the answer to that. Some guys can break up with girls and still stay friends. Other guys, like me, will be bitterly hated for years to come.
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A beer drinking, young, cheap guy.
I suggest hitting the same places the young, beer drinking, cheap Ukrainian guys go.
Good luck, you are going to need it.
[QUOTE=MattNDBoy; 1321340]For absolutely no reason but up to early on a Monday I booked tickets to Kiev.
Been skimmin the forum, some good, most trash or outdated.
Is there and good looking cheap women? Where is good gatherings?
Popular english speaking clubs?
My good looking mid 20s body isn't paying 200usd.
Anyone up for a beer whos on town? Pm me[/QUOTE]
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The minimal help the French gave during the American Revolution, which mostly consisted of political recognition and maneuvering didn't quite compare to the US liberation of Europe during WW2 and the rebuilding of Europe after the war. As time proved loss of colonies for all European powers was inevitable.
[QUOTE=Prosal;1321078]FYI, if the frenchs would have not been here to help, the US national dish would be fish and chips now. (rolleyes)[/QUOTE]
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Thanks for the answer. I hadn't had a good laugh all day.
[QUOTE=Prosal;1320957], I'll answer. I'm not a club guy,.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=MattNDBoy;1321340]Popular clubs?[/QUOTE]"Sorry Babushka", the Kiev branch of the Moscow's famous club. How no one has reported on it is astounding. I've been to Kiev only once but had a great time there. The so-called "experts" should better give more useful info instead of bragging about the 1200 dyevs they have allegedly fucked.
[url]http://www.sorrybabushka.com.ua/[/url]
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Shengen Visa
[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1320178].
UK is not a member of the Schengen visa scheme. It depends on a lot of Factors.
But say for a young UA girl to apply for a UK visa, her chances are almost ZERO.
There are many, many more Chinese tourists who visit France than the UK, because its easier for them to get a Visa.
I know at one time some UA girls were getting Schengen visa by applying through the Czech Embassy in Kiev. The Czech republic is a member of the Schengen Scheme.
Paying a bribe, false documents, Dunno.
Schengen visa is a centralized system for all members, which allow free travel and movements withiin members of the Schengen Scheme. There is no Visa for only one country in the scheme.[/QUOTE]Please let me know the cost and time to get a Shengen Visa. Thanks
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[QUOTE=Cruiser D;1321649]Thanks for the answer. I hadn't had a good laugh all day.[/QUOTE]Well, it's just reciprocity for your entertaining BS.
[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1320293]You guys really don't have a clue about what you are talking about. It's all about the blinky lights.
Me, jugling dozens of hots girls all over the world and they know about it. You guys, not so much.[/QUOTE]
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Rio Lineup
I am planning a trip to Kiev for 2 weeks at the end of September.
Do any of you humble mongers know the current lineup at the despised club?
Would be nice to see what new talent is available and which veterans are still working there.
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[QUOTE=Jojosun;1321104]Question 1. Are you then a Poser doing that in the clubs.[/QUOTE]Not so. I am a tall, athletic, olive-skinned and green eyed guy with shoulders like a Piterbilt bumper, but I most often ignore most girls and primarily go out to get drunk and enjoy the atmosphere, especially when it's debauched. And furthermore I'm not against a good brawl from time to time. So am I a poser? (rolleyes)
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1039-Tashkent&p=1048457&viewfull=1#post1048457[/url]
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[QUOTE=Sponsor74;1321656]Please let me know the cost and time to get a Shengen Visa. Thanks[/QUOTE]One of my girls told me 250€, another one told me 300$.
Time: a couple of weeks to a month.
The girl in Zaporoje had to travel to Kiev for a meeting at the Consulate
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How to gently dump a girlfriend
[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1321593]I wish I had the answer to that. Some guys can break up with girls and still stay friends. Other guys, like me, will be bitterly hated for years to come.[/QUOTE]My former Brazilian GF now hates me. She even left threats to my children on my voicemail, so I made a police report. Yes, Brazil is a violent country!
My former Russian GF is now one of my best buddies.
Go figure!
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The title said coming to america.
[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1321446]Not true. Your assuming every hot Ukranian girl can strip. It's just not like that. For every girl that can strip, there are two that tried the job and could not do it and there are another two that would not even consider it. I've had a few stripper girlfriends and it's always the same story when you look at the over all picture of friends included.[/QUOTE]The point was they will come to America over France because of opportunity. Not that they ALL become strippers. Some will prostitute and some will try to find a husband and some will do under the table modeling jobs. Stripping is just a very common example of how the pay the bills until the get the EAD.
And those few girls that say they do not want to come to America, it generally has to do with the fact that they are intimidated with the english language.
But your statement about strippers is totally correct. There are a lot of CIS and Latin girls in NYC that tried stripping and would rather prostitute despite the risk.
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Schengen Visas For UA Citizens.
[QUOTE=Sponsor74; 1321656]Please let me know the cost and time to get a Shengen Visa. Thanks[/QUOTE]All The Info you need.
There are currently 25 European countries that belong to the Schengen Area: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland.
Schengen visa generally covers entry and travel in all of the countries that have signed the Schengen Agreement, although there are exceptional cases in which the visa may restrict your travel to certain Schengen countries.
There are three types of the Schengen visas:
. Airport transit visa (type 'A') : for a stopover or transfer at an airport of a Schengen State.
. Transit visa (type 'B') : for a transit through the territory of one or more Schengen States.
. Short-term visa (type 'C') : for staying in one or several Schengen States.
Schengen visa allows stays which do not exceed three months over a six-month period (90 days during 180 days)
For longer periods of time abroad, national visas (type 'D') and residence permits are required for Schengen countries.
Schengen visas can be valid for single entry or multiple entries. If you plan leaving the Schengen area during your travel, you should apply for the multiple-entry Schengen visa.
Applications for the Schengen visa must be made at the consulate of the country that is your main destination. If your main destination is unclear (you plan to visit several Schengen countries and stay approximately the same period of time in each of them) , the country you first enter is responsible for handling your visa application.
A uniform visa application form is used by all Schengen countries.
SCHENGEN VISAS DO NOT ALLOW YOU TO WORK OR TO CARRY OUT ANY OTHER ECONOMIC ACTIVITIES DURING YOUR STAY.
HOW SHOULD I APPLY FOR A SCHENGEN VISA.
Contact the respective embassy / consular section and clarify the information about:
. Specific documents to be provided for the visa type that you need.
. Procedure of submission of your visa application. Please note that embassies of Belgium, Italy, the Netherlands and Spain have introduced the new procedure for handling the visa applications through the intermediaries. Following the new procedure, you should submit your visa application with all the supporting documents to the special visa centres. The services of such visa centres are not free. The embassies of Germany and France are partly using the services of such visa centres (they are responsible for assigning the date of your interview in the Embassy)
Complete and sign your visa application form, attach your recent photograph to it. Schengen visa application forms are free and are distributed at the embassies. You may also download the application forms from the websites of the embassies or consular departments.
Present a valid passport (validity must extend until at least 3 months after the end of the planned journey)
Present documents that describe the purpose and circumstances of your visit (an official letter, a written request, etc)
(Demonstrate sufficient means of subsistence for the proposed journey and for the return trip to Ukraine (for example, bank statements, proof of income or an invitation letter or sponsorship declaration from your relatives / friends in a Schengen country)
Schengen visa generally covers entry and travel in all of the countries that have signed the Schengen Agreement, although there are exceptional cases in which the visa may restrict your travel to certain Schengen countries.
There are three types of the Schengen visas:
. Airport transit visa (type 'A') : for a stopover or transfer at an airport of a Schengen State.
. Transit visa (type 'B') : for a transit through the territory of one or more Schengen States.
. Short-term visa (type 'C') : for staying in one or several Schengen States.
Schengen visa allows stays which do not exceed three months over a six-month period (90 days during 180 days)
For longer periods of time abroad, national visas (type 'D') and residence permits are required for Schengen countries.
Schengen visas can be valid for single entry or multiple entries. If you plan leaving the Schengen area during your travel, you should apply for the multiple-entry Schengen visa.
Applications for the Schengen visa must be made at the consulate of the country that is your main destination. If your main destination is unclear (you plan to visit several Schengen countries and stay approximately the same period of time in each of them) , the country you first enter is responsible for handling your visa application.
A uniform visa application form is used by all Schengen countries.
SCHENGEN VISAS DO NOT ALLOW YOU TO WORK OR TO CARRY OUT ANY OTHER ECONOMIC ACTIVITIES DURING YOUR STAY.
HOW SHOULD I APPLY FOR A SCHENGEN VISA.
Contact the respective embassy / consular section and clarify the information about:
. Specific documents to be provided for the visa type that you need.
. Procedure of submission of your visa application. Please note that embassies of Belgium, Italy, the Netherlands and Spain have introduced the new procedure for handling the visa applications through the intermediaries. Following the new procedure, you should submit your visa application with all the supporting documents to the special visa centres. The services of such visa centres are not free. The embassies of Germany and France are partly using the services of such visa centres (they are responsible for assigning the date of your interview in the Embassy)
Complete and sign your visa application form, attach your recent photograph to it. Schengen visa application forms are free and are distributed at the embassies. You may also download the application forms from the websites of the embassies or consular departments.
Present a valid passport (validity must extend until at least 3 months after the end of the planned journey)
Present documents that describe the purpose and circumstances of your visit (an official letter, a written request, etc)
Demonstrate sufficient means of subsistence for the proposed journey and for the return trip to Ukraine (for example, bank statements, proof of income or an invitation letter or sponsorship declaration from your relatives / friends in a Schengen country)
You may be asked for a copy of your travel itinerary with a confirmed reservation or another proof of your means of transport.
Arrange and present the medical insurance which should be valid in all countries of the European Union and for the whole duration of the stay (number of days) and the validity period of the visa (insurance must cover a minimum of € 30 000)
Pay the consular fee (handling fee for submitting visa application)
Any embassy reserves the right to request any other supporting documents.
A decision on a visa application shall be taken within 10 calendar days of the date of the receipt of the complete visa application and the supporting documents (this period may be extended up to 30 days when further scrutiny is needed).
VISA HANDLING FEE FOR UKRAINIAN CITIZENS.
The fee for processing all types of Schengen visa applications, irrespective of the number of entries, is € 35.
There is the possibility of charging an extra fee of € 70 on urgent requests (3 days before departure). This does not apply to members of official delegations, members of national and regional Governments and Parliaments, Constitutional Courts and Supreme Courts, cases related to humanitarian or health reasons (disabled persons and those to receive urgent medical treatment) , journalists and pensioners.
CATEGORIES OF PEOPLE THAT ARE EXEMPTED FROM THE VISA FEE:
Close relatives. Spouses, children (including adopted) , parents (including custodians) , grandparents and grandchildren, visiting citizens of Ukraine legally residing in the territory of the Member States.
Members of official delegations who, following an official invitation addressed to Ukraine, shall participate in meetings, consultations, negotiations or exchange programmes, as well as in events held in the territory of one of the Member States by intergovernmental organizations.
Members of national and regional Governments and Parliaments, Constitutional Courts and Supreme Courts, if they are not exempted from the visa requirement by the Agreement between EC and Ukraine on the facilitation of the issuance of visas.
Pupils, students, post-graduate students and accompanying teachers who undertake trips for the purposes of study or educational training.
Disabled persons and the person accompanying them, if necessary.
Persons who have presented documents proving the necessity of their travel on humanitarian grounds, including to receive urgent medical treatment and the person accompanying such person, or to attend a funeral of a close relative, or to visit a close relative seriously ill.
Participants in international sports events and persons accompanying them in a professional capacity.
Persons participating in scientific, cultural and artistic activities including university and other exchange programmes.
Participants in official exchange programmes organised by twin cities.
Journalists.
Pensioners.
Drivers conducting international cargo and passenger transportation services to the territories of the Member states in vehicles registered in Ukraine.
Members of train, refrigerator and locomotive crews in international trains travelling to the territories of the Member States.
Children under the age of 18 and dependant children under the age of 21.
What is the Schengen Information System (SIS)?
The Schengen Information System was introduced as a result of the agreements between the Schengen countries on police cooperation and assistance for purposes of prevention and search for punishable facts, and also for the purposes of preventing illegal migration from the third countries to the countries of Schengen area.
The information on every applicant for the Schengen visa is checked in the SIS database. Schengen visa may be denied if the applicant is a person for whom an alert has been issued in the SIS. In such cases, the Schengen visa can be issued only in exceptional cases.
VISA WARNING.
Embassies ask that all individuals applying for a visa give complete and correct information about themselves on a visa application form. Do not fall prey to outside parties who want to convince you that there are 'right' answers to visa applications. Though you may be reluctant to answer visa questions honestly, despite what 'consultants' may say, truth is your greatest defence. If you are caught lying on your visa application, there is a good chance that you will be refused to enter the country. Remember that the information you provide during your visa application is investigated by the embassy officials and the only right answers are the truthful ones.
You may be asked for a copy of your travel itinerary with a confirmed reservation or another proof of your means of transport.
Arrange and present the medical insurance which should be valid in all countries of the European Union and for the whole duration of the stay (number of days) and the validity period of the visa (insurance must cover a minimum of € 30 000)
Pay the consular fee (handling fee for submitting visa application)
Any embassy reserves the right to request any other supporting documents.
A decision on a visa application shall be taken within 10 calendar days of the date of the receipt of the complete visa application and the supporting documents (this period may be extended up to 30 days when further scrutiny is needed).
VISA HANDLING FEE FOR UKRAINIAN CITIZENS.
The fee for processing all types of Schengen visa applications, irrespective of the number of entries, is € 35.
There is the possibility of charging an extra fee of € 70 on urgent requests (3 days before departure). This does not apply to members of official delegations, members of national and regional Governments and Parliaments, Constitutional Courts and Supreme Courts, cases related to humanitarian or health reasons (disabled persons and those to receive urgent medical treatment) , journalists and pensioners.
CATEGORIES OF PEOPLE THAT ARE EXEMPTED FROM THE VISA FEE:
Close relatives. Spouses, children (including adopted) , parents (including custodians) , grandparents and grandchildren, visiting citizens of Ukraine legally residing in the territory of the Member States.
Members of official delegations who, following an official invitation addressed to Ukraine, shall participate in meetings, consultations, negotiations or exchange programmes, as well as in events held in the territory of one of the Member States by intergovernmental organizations.
Members of national and regional Governments and Parliaments, Constitutional Courts and Supreme Courts, if they are not exempted from the visa requirement by the Agreement between EC and Ukraine on the facilitation of the issuance of visas.
Pupils, students, post-graduate students and accompanying teachers who undertake trips for the purposes of study or educational training.
Disabled persons and the person accompanying them, if necessary.
Persons who have presented documents proving the necessity of their travel on humanitarian grounds, including to receive urgent medical treatment and the person accompanying such person, or to attend a funeral of a close relative, or to visit a close relative seriously ill.
Participants in international sports events and persons accompanying them in a professional capacity.
Persons participating in scientific, cultural and artistic activities including university and other exchange programmes.
Participants in official exchange programmes organised by twin cities.
Journalists.
Pensioners.
Drivers conducting international cargo and passenger transportation services to the territories of the Member states in vehicles registered in Ukraine.
Members of train, refrigerator and locomotive crews in international trains travelling to the territories of the Member States.
Children under the age of 18 and dependant children under the age of 21.
What is the Schengen Information System (SIS)?
The Schengen Information System was introduced as a result of the agreements between the Schengen countries on police cooperation and assistance for purposes of prevention and search for punishable facts, and also for the purposes of preventing illegal migration from the third countries to the countries of Schengen area.
The information on every applicant for the Schengen visa is checked in the SIS database. Schengen visa may be denied if the applicant is a person for whom an alert has been issued in the SIS. In such cases, the Schengen visa can be issued only in exceptional cases.
VISA WARNING.
Embassies ask that all individuals applying for a visa give complete and correct information about themselves on a visa application form. Do not fall prey to outside parties who want to convince you that there are 'right' answers to visa applications. Though you may be reluctant to answer visa questions honestly, despite what 'consultants' may say, truth is your greatest defence. If you are caught lying on your visa application, there is a good chance that you will be refused to enter the country. Remember that the information you provide during your visa application is investigated by the embassy officials and the only right answers are the truthful ones.
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To Lj
Helo old man, when are you coming to Kiev?
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Try :
# Porter Bars.
[url]http://www.porter.com.ua/[/url]
# Shooters.
[url]http://www.shooters.kiev.ua/[/url]
# Vodka Bar.
[url]http://www.vodka-bar.com.ua/[/url]
Have a nice trip)
[QUOTE=MattNDBoy; 1321340]For absolutely no reason but up to early on a Monday I booked tickets to Kiev.
Been skimmin the forum, some good, most trash or outdated.
Is there and good looking cheap women? Where is good gatherings?
Popular english speaking clubs?
My good looking mid 20s body isn't paying 200usd.
Anyone up for a beer whos on town? Pm me[/QUOTE]
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Schengen Visas For UA Citizens.
[QUOTE=Sponsor74;1321656]Please let me know the cost and time to get a Shengen Visa. Thanks[/QUOTE]To summarize the detailed info posted below.
35 euros for all kinds of visas.
Plus additional fees if applied through the Embassies of Italy, Spain, Netherlands, Belgium.
The fees are for using intermediaries for applications to the Embassies above.
Franch and German Embassies partly use the services of those agents. Ie it means probably additinoal fees.
Urgent Visas 3 days before departure is 70 euros.
It takes about 10 calendar days for visas to be issued, but in some cases up to 30 days.
That said, have you got a UA girl in mind?
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[QUOTE=Ronaldinjo;1321837]Helo old man, when are you coming to Kiev?[/QUOTE]LOL. Why don't you phone Rio Club?
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Spot On.
[QUOTE=GuythatlikesStuf;1321748]The point was they will come to America over France because of opportunity.[/QUOTE].
America over France because of opprtunity and there is sweet fuck all for them to do.
In France, careers, jobs, opportinities. Excluding Russian and Ukrainian girls (Including Strippers) who chose France over America because of "Tall Olive Skinned Green eyed (colored lenses?) French Man called Prosal who lives in Paris. LOL.
Now I know why the French are Flooding to London too, because No Sex and No Opportunities In France.
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The Flood.
[QUOTE=GuythatlikesStuf;1321748]The point was they will come to America over France because of opportunity.[/QUOTE].
Now I know why the French are Flooding to London too, because No Sex and No Opportunities In France.
Bungie. Net : Off Topic: The Flood : London, France's sixth biggest.
[url]www.bungie.net********posts.aspx?postID=72489759[/url]
11 posts. 8 authors. 30 May.
London, France's sixth biggest city "I came to London from Paris straight after graduating from art school, just to have a look," says Malika Favre.
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The Flood. Paris on The Thames.
[QUOTE=GuythatlikesStuf;1321748]The point was they will come to America over France because of opportunity.[/QUOTE]Now I know why the French are Flooding to London too, because No Sex and No Opportunities In France.
Bungie. Net : Off Topic: The Flood : London, France's sixth biggest.
[url]www.bungie.net********posts.aspx?postID=72489759[/url]
11 posts. 8 authors. 30 May.
London, France's sixth biggest city "I came to London from Paris straight after graduating from art school, just to have a look," says Malika Favre.
The French community in London.
Paris-on-Thames.
The French influx to London.
This is how the Economist magazine called it.
I would rather have a Kiev with all the girls on Thames.
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I with you man.
[QUOTE=Prosal; 1321654]"Sorry Babushka", the Kiev branch of the Moscow's famous club. How no one has reported on it is astounding. I've been to Kiev only once but had a great time there. The so-called "experts" should better give more useful info instead of bragging about the 1200 dyevs they have allegedly fucked.
[url]http://www.sorrybabushka.com.ua/[/url][/QUOTE]There is alot about Ukraine that is not posted here. The main thing you HAVE TO KNOW THE LANGUAGE. If you know the language and you have game, you will be treated to some of the most tender pussy on the face of the Earth. I was in dnipropetrovsk and the Apartment I rented was directly downtown. Well, there were a bunch of College girls staying next door to me. I made very little conversation with the limited Ukraine that I had and the limited English they had and this one tall Ukraine girl gave me one of the best mind blowing blow jobs that I ever had. Cost, dinner going to the clubs plus drinks, plus having game. They love it. The next day I had to leave for Kiev since I was coming back to the United States. The one that stay with me accompany me to Kiev and now I have some sweet thing waiting for me in October when I go back. I am under NO illusion here, since she is 23 and I am 51, but we had a great time. This is the sort of info that shoulb be written here, not about Rio. Rio is shooting ducks in the Barrell that is no fun. But getting to hang out with a normal girl, that is special and rewarding. It all about the game fellas, It all about the game.
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Thanks Prosal.
[QUOTE=Prosal; 1321654]"Sorry Babushka", the Kiev branch of the Moscow's famous club. How no one has reported on it is astounding. I've been to Kiev only once but had a great time there. The so-called "experts" should better give more useful info instead of bragging about the 1200 dyevs they have allegedly fucked.
[url]http://www.sorrybabushka.com.ua/[/url][/QUOTE]Really credit goes to Prosal for this tip and link.
This is the kind of Place whih really sums up what a lot Of Ukraine should be about, not any old without a soul or national character like a lot of the fucking discos in Kiev which could be anywhere.
But I imagine to go to such a place you need to be in the company of a female or better still in a group. .
I am in the process of getting info and tips about such places in Kiev for my forthcoming mongering trip to Kiev. This time I am taking my wingwoman with me to meet up with my other wingwoman in Kiev to explore hidden gems and venues like the above in Kiev.
There is a place like that I already posted on, called Xata Rabata on the other side of the Dnipro.
Greek, Georgian venues in EE countries with live music tend to be very good as well
Sorrybabushka in Kiev sounds. Like another Russian institution in the heart of London, Knightsbridge, called Boescht and Tears.
A great place with live music and mingling with other females, but you need to be accompanied.
[url]http://www.borshtchntears.com/[/url]
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Thanks Prosal. 4 The Babushka.
[QUOTE=Prosal; 1321654]"Sorry Babushka", the Kiev branch of the Moscow's famous club. How no one has reported on it is astounding. I've been to Kiev only once but had a great time there. The so-called "experts" should better give more useful info instead of bragging about the 1200 dyevs they have allegedly fucked.
[url]http://www.sorrybabushka.com.ua/[/url][/QUOTE]Really credit goes to Prosal for this tip and link.
This is the kind of Place whih really sums up what a lot Of Ukraine should be about, not any old without a soul or national character like a lot of the fucking discos in Kiev which could be anywhere.
But I imagine to go to such a place you need to be in the company of a female or better still in a group. .
I am in the process of getting info and tips about such places in Kiev for my forthcoming mongering trip to Kiev. This time I am taking my wingwoman with me to meet up with my other wingwoman in Kiev to explore hidden gems and venues like the above in Kiev.
There is a place like that I already posted on, called Xata Rabata on the other side of the Dnipro.
Greek, Georgian venues in EE countries with live music tend to be very good as well
Sorrybabushka in Kiev sounds. Like another Russian institution in the heart of London, Knightsbridge, called Boescht and Tears.
A great place with live music and mingling with other females, but you need to be accompanied.
[url]http://www.borshtchntears.com/.[/url]
[url]http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=borscht[/url]+and+tears+london+photos&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=you&source=univ&sa=X&ei=7c9AUMGGENGb1AWb-ICIDQ&sqi=2&ved=0CB8QsAQ&biw=744&bih=338.
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[QUOTE=Ronaldinjo;1321837]Helo old man, when are you coming to Kiev?[/QUOTE]Why do you waste bandwidth with this drivel? You can send him a pm and not bother the rest of us with your inanity.
What do you want to do with LJ, kiss his ass?
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Re Dumping Gently.
[QUOTE=Bimbo Boy; 1321747]My former Brazilian GF now hates me. She even left threats to my children on my voicemail, so I made a police report. Yes, Brazil is a violent country!
My former Russian GF is now one of my best buddies.
Go figure![/QUOTE]Tell them that your house, apartment is being reposssesed due to a foreclosure by a nasty bank and you are looking to relocate for a much cheaper life style by downsizing and renting a cheapish place in their home countries.
If you do hear from them again, then they are your true. Girlfriends.
Girlfriends In Need are Girlfriends Indeed.
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Sorry Prosal?
[QUOTE=Prosal; 1321654]"Sorry Babushka", the Kiev branch of the Moscow's famous club. How no one has reported on it is astounding. I've been to Kiev only once but had a great time there. The so-called "experts" should better give more useful info instead of bragging about the 1200 dyevs they have allegedly fucked.
[url]http://www.sorrybabushka.com.ua/[/url][/QUOTE]Did you go there alone?
Not being nosy here, but why didn't you post on this place before?
I don't think this is the sort oof place to look for Pros or semi pros, is it.
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Its in The Cord, Old Boy.
[QUOTE=Uke Boy; 1322072]Why do you waste bandwidth with this drivel? You can send him a pm and not bother the rest of us with your inanity.
What do you want to do with LJ, kiss his ass?[/QUOTE]Ronaldjno is joined to LJ in an Umbilical Cord, so I guess he is just being Curious which is only Natural.
Why The Angst Old Boy.
Calm Down, its so much Fun this Kiev Thread.
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Write to me at privatemaille gmail please
[QUOTE=MattNDBoy; 1321336]In Kiev 23-1 looking for english comp for some shagg huntin.
Pm me[/QUOTE]I hunt there every 60 days, almost on the cock, sorry: clock. Next is sept 23, then Nov 24
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They sell everything, including Viagra
[QUOTE=Norwegian76; 1321568]Anyone that has any experience with sexual power pills in pharmacy's in Kiev?
Is it possible to get Viagra etc. Without prescriptions?[/QUOTE]. Without a prescription in Kiev. They look authentic, but like everything else, it may be cheap copies made in Turkey or worst. I always bring plenty with me, you never know. One winter gone it snowed so hard that they closed the airport for a couple of days and panic took me over: Imagine being locked in Kiev without Viagra! I was desperate! But they did open the airport for my time to go back home. Sometimes I have nightmares thinking back on that trip and imagining no viagra in Kiev. Horrible!
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Visa is USD200 and need to make reservation.
[QUOTE=Sponsor74;1321656]Please let me know the cost and time to get a Shengen Visa. Thanks[/QUOTE]With that travel agency. They take care of it, but need to issue RT ticket + hotel and the girl may need to have about $200 in her bank, and show the statement. Is all a con job, but it works and they all do it.
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Calm down little boy
[QUOTE=Uke Boy; 1322072]Why do you waste bandwidth with this drivel? You can send him a pm and not bother the rest of us with your inanity.
What do you want to do with LJ, kiss his ass?[/QUOTE]We are living in democratic world, I can write whatever I want without asking your permission, your brightness. As for Lj, he brings us 1000 times better information than you do. I'm here to get information that I need and use it even if it seems boring to you. I'm not interested about 1200 phone imaginary numbers you have in your phone. He dissapeared recently and I hope he continues to write here and don't get scared from your agressive comments. We are looking for you to come back Lj.
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Erotic Massage
In Kiev working recently, I don't have time to do research, put in legwork to build up contacts or am able to stay up all night going to the clubs and language skills zilch so I know my limitations in terms of options. I have visited a couple of apartments before with decent outcomes plus I have had an incall to my hotel but the aggravation re language, finding addresses is time consuming and the hit and miss nature of the hobby is problematic.
On my last visit I was indifferent about indulging as I do get plenty in other locations I go but I was feeling horny so called Salon Dolly who are located close to my hotel. Full sex is not offered but a happy ending clearly is according to their website. I went with an open mind, happy if all I got was a half decent massage. What followed was way above those expectations. Offered a choice of 3 girls I chose Nastya, she was slim and had decent breasts and body to body was part of the service so no point in choosing a flat chested girl!
1 hour later I had a very relaxing oily full body massage followed by body to body massage ending with a very nice oily breast wank and handjob whilst my hands strayed all over Nastyas oily naked body. She brought me to a really unforgettable climax so much so I was wobbly when I left. The experience was way better than many full sex encounters I have had in the past and next time I am in Kiev I will definitely return. A great option if you're feeling lazy or short of time. Damage UAH 350 + 50 tip
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[QUOTE=Ronaldinjo;1322161]I'm not interested about 1200 phone imaginary numbers you have in your phone.[/QUOTE]The guy with the alleged "1200 phone numbers in his phone" isn't Uke B, but the one who [I]" plays the game at a different level then most on this site" [/I] And who "[I]jugles dozens of hots girls all over the world"[/I]. (wink)
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[QUOTE=Bloke;1322229]In Kiev working recently, I don't have time to do research.[/QUOTE]Thank you Bloke. Information saved. Good to see a report and even better to see a post without the all to frequent and desperate self stroking going on here most of the time.
B.
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Thanks for a proper review
[QUOTE=Bloke; 1322229]In Kiev working recently, I don't have time to do research, put in legwork to build up contacts or am able to stay up all night going to the clubs and language skills zilch so I know my limitations in terms of options. I have visited a couple of apartments before with decent outcomes plus I have had an incall to my hotel but the aggravation re language, finding addresses is time consuming and the hit and miss nature of the hobby is problematic.
On my last visit I was indifferent about indulging as I do get plenty in other locations I go but I was feeling horny so called Salon Dolly who are located close to my hotel. Full sex is not offered but a happy ending clearly is according to their website. I went with an open mind, happy if all I got was a half decent massage. What followed was way above those expectations. Offered a choice of 3 girls I chose Nastya, she was slim and had decent breasts and body to body was part of the service so no point in choosing a flat chested girl!
1 hour later I had a very relaxing oily full body massage followed by body to body massage ending with a very nice oily breast wank and handjob whilst my hands strayed all over Nastyas oily naked body. She brought me to a really unforgettable climax so much so I was wobbly when I left. The experience was way better than many full sex encounters I have had in the past and next time I am in Kiev I will definitely return. A great option if you're feeling lazy or short of time. Damage UAH 350 + 50 tip[/QUOTE]This is the only reason I keep checking this site. For authentic experience reviews with descriptions and locations of where to get some fun. There is so much rambling nonsense here it's so refreshing to see a proper, useful review at last.
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[QUOTE=Ronaldinjo;1321837]Helo old man, when are you coming to Kiev?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Ronaldinjo;1322161]We are living in democratic world, I can write whatever I want without asking your permission, your brightness. As for Lj, he brings us 1000 times better information than you do. I'm here to get information that I need and use it even if it seems boring to you. I'm not interested about 1200 phone imaginary numbers you have in your phone. He dissapeared recently and I hope he continues to write here and don't get scared from your agressive comments. We are looking for you to come back Lj.[/QUOTE]Dear Ronaldinjo,
I haven't disappeared. Nor have I ever been scared by the aggressive comments of a few assholes that inhabit this thread along with the rest of us. Just as the human body has a mind that can dream and a heart that can sing, eyes with which to behold the beauties of Kiev, and tongues with which to tastepossessory also possesses an asshole through which passes all its drek and dross that should be eliminated, so too does this ISG thread on Kiev have it's dreamers and thinkers, its singers and its venerable masters, and yes its assholes too, through which pass all their drek and drivel onto this thread for your reading pleasure. And you assholes know who you are! In the interests of avoiding a war, I shall not name names. But if upon reading these my words your sphincter is puckering and your juices fuming with anger or irritation, then you are one of the assholes. And if you are laughing, then you are one of the good guys.
Ahhhh. Writing that paragraph was immensely satisfying. I hope why'all out there were as entertained in reading it as I was in writing it. LOL.
Now, Ronaldinjo, the girls typically take me for a good looking 35 to 37 year old guy, so what's with the hello "old man" stuff? I guess some might say "hello Old boy" with the meaning of "hello old friend", so in my vanity, I shall assume you meant it as such.
I haven't posted for a relatively short while because I was waiting for all the nonsense about all kind of extraneous topics to die down, and for the discussion to turn back to our thread's proper topic. Questions and advice on scoring hot pussy in Kiev, be it p4p or freebie sex (I have long since recommended dividing the thread between these two essentially different types of girl-seeking). There has been all this stuff about France bashing and defending, a personal war of words between Prosal and CD, where Russian women prefer to travel, and sundry other off topic stuff, that anything I might have written would be of no use to the newbies who needed any help or advice because it would have immediately been buried in all the drek being spewed out into this thread. And you have to be careful too of which question you ask here, or Jojosun will, in his desire to be helpful, dump the entire pertinent Wikipedia article into this thread for your reading pleasure, and then do it twice, as is his custom.
And it is a given, that newbies, who are the ones who might benefit from what I wrote, will definitely not bother to research the thread conscientiously, and therefore will not spot my post of even two weeks prior, before asking questions just answered. So what would be the point of posting the general information type post I do once in a while? It wouldn't benefit newbies, as it would immediately be buried by the flurry of nonsense being posted of late, and would only irritate those veterans who have short fuses. So better to allow the current trend of discussion to exhaust itself, in my opinion.
The truth is that my last posts were only a short two weeks ago, on this thread, and I haven't gone anywhere. No one's asked a question recently that needed a response beyond what I posted then. For any newbies needing or desiring my comments here are some links to my recent comments that might interest you:
Cost hierarchy of p4p in Kiev.
[url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1316208&viewfull=1#post1316208[/url]
This report earned the following nod from veteran Cruiser D:
[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1316503]That report nicely sums up everything you need to know about p4p action in Kiev based on good intel written in this forum.
Someone should ROD it.[/QUOTE]Prices Update.
[url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1318574&viewfull=1#post1318574[/url]
This report was in response to Salbatorxxx's question to the forum about Rio, and to any honest reader the report maintains its objectivity and while discussing Rio in response to the question asked, as it must, also put that strip club option into the proper context of the other options available in Kiev, as well as candidly pointed out the deficiencies of Rio in comparison with other strip clubs, and its sole advantage being regarding price for take out.
This report, as well as the previously referenced report, are a complete rebuttal to the "mythology" a few assholes on this thread are trying to promote that my reports are pushing the Rio option, and shilling for Rio, over other options for Kiev mongering. Nothing could be further from the truth. Just follow the links I provided and read what I have actually written in my posts and you will see the lie exposed by the actuality of my words, and the truth shall then dispel the myth. I state this for newbies, so that they don't get confused by the stupidity being posted by a few idiots on this thread. What I have written is clearly objective and fair reviewing of ALL options in Kiev, pointing out factors that occur to me might be important to other mongers as pros and cons for themselves in each option or venue. There is no shilling going on whatsoever.
There is however a mania that has infected a few zombies here on the thread to the point that they refer to Rio strip club as "the despised club" or not wanting to even utter the unholy name of the place refer to it as "the three letter club" or some other ridiculous manner. Dear newbie, when you read some such references to a place in Kiev that is just like any other place, with no mystery, you should simply know that the author of the comment you are at that time reading is a moron of the first order who resides in an alternate reality from this here and now world, and simply discount what they are saying, once you realize that they have some sort of mental "issue" either with my brazenness in continuing to post my opinion in the face of their intimidation, or they hate the club, or some such other nonsense that has nothing to do with giving you usable information for mongering in Kiev. The intimidation by way of name calling and insult that these guys have tried to foster here on this thread is palpable, and has members afraid to mention they visited Rio or had a nice time there. There are notable exceptions such as guys like Kirsch who posts about his great times without fear and with honesty. The intimidation unfortunately has guys like Jojosun scurrying to quickly disassociate themselves from my mongering objectives or reports. How sad, the lack of backbone. Really Jojo you disappointed me with that one, as well as your latest taunt to Ronaldinjo to find me by calling Rio, haha, which I'm sure you meant as a jest, but nevertheless feeds the mindless myth of the "intimidators" whom you apparently fear. You once posted your analysis that trashed that shilling and multiple identity stupidity by incisive logic. Where is that great mind of yours now? Yet I do not need allies to stand with me openly on this forum, if they don't have the balls to suffer the abuse of the "intimidators" lurking here. My shoulders are big enough to handle the criticism of the cretins who resort to name calling and smear of shilling for Rio that they promote as a myth in order to try to discredit my clearly balanced and honest reporting, such as the last one who tried it, namely PedroToronja. I often receive PM's of support from those who can recognize the difference between truth and bullshit. The symptom of mindlessness is most evident when in response to a cogent argument you see in the next responding post merely name calling and smear instead of a lucid argument. Here is a link to my response to Pedro:
Response to PedroToronja accusation of shilling:
[url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1319461&viewfull=1#post1319461[/url]
Dear newbie, if you can come away from reading the three posts I just referenced above with any shred of doubt as to my accuracy and integrity in reporting here on this thread, then you are hopeless and I recommend for you to not read my posts. However, if you feel you can benefit from the information I have presented and will continue to present, then by all means drink of these waters and gain knowledge. I think most newbies are intelligent enough to use the sniff test to recognize the bullshitters from those who honestly report on all options and don't have an axe to grind or a bias against any one option in particular. It is for those readers that I post my reports. Live and let live!
[QUOTE=Cruiser D;1319334]I don't think LilJoey or Jojo are. A shill for Rio in the least bit. I simply think they were both grabbing for the lowest hanging fruit and the easiest option.[/QUOTE]Cruiser D is not a fan of my posts, but rather a critic, since he is a veteran who knows the information I post for newbies, and doesn't need it. So to him it's useless, as he can always fall back on the many numbers he has in his vaunted Contacts list of girls in Kiev he previously met over the years. But at least he is honest. He knows the shilling thing is bullshit. However, he feels I took the easy way to finding really hot pussy in Kiev, when there are more fun ways or maybe cheaper ways. That criticism I accept, because you see he is precisely correct. I was looking for the easiest and most sure way to get hot pussy into my bed without fail each night of a three night visit to Kiev. So I looked for the easiest and surest way. If that's what you too are looking for, then my own experiences can be helpful to you. If you are instead looking to chase freebies and not p4p, or your budget or economic mentality cannot allow you to spend more than a minimum of $100 on a p4p experience, then you must find a different guru or source for the good info. My easy and sure way turned out to be an expensive way, but I expected to pay more for convenience and certainty, as is always the case, and tried to get the best prices I felt possible without sacrificing too much convenience and certainty. But I certainly always pointed out the cheaper, but less certain or convenient ways of getting pussy in Kiev. I absolutely never concealed the cheaper ways. So my posts always enabled the reader to choose his own preferences based on the factors most important to each individual monger.
Why did I choose to go into an explanation of the contentiousness that surrounds Rio and some of my posts? Because it became clear that newbies wouldn't understand the history of this dispute. Witness the honest question of Salbatorxxxx a recent poster on this thread, who is completely oblivious to the bullshitters and can't understand what all the fuss they are making is all about. I posted the above, to explain this to him and to other newbies similarly situated. Here's what he wrote:
[QUOTE=Salbatorxxx; 1319552]Guys.
Had I known that my reference of being french would have triggered so many comments, I wouldn't have done it! I thought this forum was about exploring the best possible ways of getting laid in Kiev, not discussing the merits or flaws of the French army. I didn't respond to any of the French bashing as I really don't care about that.
So if I get back to the main subject, I didn't understand Pedro's post on being careful about what people say, especially about RIO. I've been to RIO 3 times and it has been an excellent experience each time. With LJ's post, I know 2 more strip clubs that I'll hit next week (Dolls and Mandarin).
Regarding going to strip clubs being seen as "the low hanging fruit", this is your opinion. I also like to mix it with chasing regular girls at nightclubs but there's no hierarchy for me between the 2 options. A few years back, I used to think that getting a regular girl in my bed was more heroic and then I grew up and realized that the goal was to do the sexiest possible girl (paid or not). I didn't really like the association you made between being a freebie on this forum and taking the "low hanging fruit" option. It's not because someone hasn't been writing on this forum his entire life, that he cannot score a regular girl in a disco and decide what option is good for him. We're all grown men after all.
Voilà
Sxxx[/QUOTE]I agree with the balance of his comments as well. The whole French thing on this thread was completely useless and a waste of time. And there is no hierarchy of what's the best mongering option in the abstract sense, because different mongers have different abilities, different goals, different circumstances, etc. So to each his own. Right on, Salbatorxxxx. You stated it correctly.
In an effort to get this thread back on track, I post the following link to my post on issues regarding using Mamba. Maybe it will generate some discussion on that topic that will provide helpful guidance for those wishing to visit Kiev for mongering. Getting contacts from mamba. Ru is one of the favored methods of finding inexpensive pussy in Kiev, so much more insight and attention should be paid to how to go about it. Here is the link to my thoughts and questions on the topic of mamba:
Developing a Strategy For Using Mamba For P4P:
[url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1317670&viewfull=1#post1317670[/url]
Happy Mongering.
LJ
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Mamba
Hi guys.
Is it just me or the search engine in mamba. Ru does not work anymore?
I got a free account and the age range search does not apply.
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Rio and LJ.
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 13227. The intimidation unfortunately has guys like Jojosun scurrying to quickly disassociate themselves from my mongering objectives or reports. How sad, the lack of backbone. Really Jojo you disappointed me with that one, as well as your latest taunt to Ronaldinjo to find me by calling Rio, haha, which I'm sure you meant as a jest, but nevertheless feeds the mindless myth of the "intimidators" whom you apparently fear. You once posted your analysis that trashed that shilling and multiple identity stupidity by incisive logic. Where is that great mind of yours now? Yet I do not need allies to stand with me openly on this forum, if they don't have the balls to suffer the abuse of the "intimidators" lurking here. My shoulders are big enough to handle the criticism of the cretins who resort to name calling and smear of shilling for Rio that they promote as a myth in order to try to discredit my clearly balanced and honest reporting, such as.
LJ[/QUOTE]Hi LJ.
Replied to the above in detail, but I guess I clicked the key too soon.
I wait to see if it got posted before I re-reply again.
Intimidated never, Entertained and bantering here yes.
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Visa
[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1322142]With that travel agency. They take care of it, but need to issue RT ticket + hotel and the girl may need to have about $200 in her bank, and show the statement. Is all a con job, but it works and they all do it.[/QUOTE]Thaks for your answer. Do you mean any agency or do you mean a special one? Which one do you recommend. USD 200 seems for me not a big amount and I trust is also valid for Switzerland a not EU country but in Shengen. Regarding hotel I plan she will be with me in my apartment.Thanks agai for your valauble info
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Visa
[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1321757]All The Info you need.
There are currently 25 European countries that belong to the Schengen Area: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland.
Schengen visa generally covers entry and travel in all of the countries that have signed the Schengen Agreement, although there are exceptional cases in which the visa may restrict your travel to certain Schengen countries.
There are three types of the Schengen visas:
. Airport transit visa (type 'A') : for a stopover or transfer at an airport of a Schengen State.
. Transit visa (type 'B') : for a transit through the territory of one or more Schengen States.
. Short-term visa (type 'C') : for staying in one or several Schengen States.
Schengen visa allows stays which do not exceed three months over a six-month period (90 days during 180 days)
For longer periods of time abroad, national visas (type 'D') and residence permits are required for Schengen countries.
Schengen visas can be valid for single entry or multiple entries. If you plan leaving the Schengen area during your travel, you should apply for the multiple-entry Schengen visa.
Applications for the Schengen visa must be made at the consulate of the country that is your main destination. If your main destination is unclear (you plan to visit several Schengen countries and stay approximately the same period of time in each of them) , the country you first enter is responsible for handling your visa application.
A uniform visa application form is used by all Schengen countries.
SCHENGEN VISAS DO NOT ALLOW YOU TO WORK OR TO CARRY OUT ANY OTHER ECONOMIC ACTIVITIES DURING YOUR STAY.
HOW SHOULD I APPLY FOR A SCHENGEN VISA.
Contact the respective embassy / consular section and clarify the information about:
. Specific documents to be provided for the visa type that you need.
. Procedure of submission of your visa application. Please note that embassies of Belgium, Italy, the Netherlands and Spain have introduced the new procedure for handling the visa applications through the intermediaries. Following the new procedure, you should submit your visa application with all the supporting documents to the special visa centres. The services of such visa centres are not free. The embassies of Germany and France are partly using the services of such visa centres (they are responsible for assigning the date of your interview in the Embassy)
Complete and sign your visa application form, attach your recent photograph to it. Schengen visa application forms are free and are distributed at the embassies. You may also download the application forms from the websites of the embassies or consular departments.
Present a valid passport (validity must extend until at least 3 months after the end of the planned journey)
Present documents that describe the purpose and circumstances of your visit (an official letter, a written request, etc)
(Demonstrate sufficient means of subsistence for the proposed journey and for the return trip to Ukraine (for example, bank statements, proof of income or an invitation letter or sponsorship declaration from your relatives / friends in a Schengen country)
Schengen visa generally covers entry and travel in all of the countries that have signed the Schengen Agreement, although there are exceptional cases in which the visa may restrict your travel to certain Schengen countries.
There are three types of the Schengen visas:
. Airport transit visa (type 'A') : for a stopover or transfer at an airport of a Schengen State.
. Transit visa (type 'B') : for a transit through the territory of one or more Schengen States.
. Short-term visa (type 'C') : for staying in one or several Schengen States.
Schengen visa allows stays which do not exceed three months over a six-month period (90 days during 180 days)
For longer periods of time abroad, national visas (type 'D') and residence permits are required for Schengen countries.
Schengen visas can be valid for single entry or multiple entries. If you plan leaving the Schengen area during your travel, you should apply for the multiple-entry Schengen visa.
Applications for the Schengen visa must be made at the consulate of the country that is your main destination. If your main destination is unclear (you plan to visit several Schengen countries and stay approximately the same period of time in each of them) , the country you first enter is responsible for handling your visa application.
A uniform visa application form is used by all Schengen countries.
SCHENGEN VISAS DO NOT ALLOW YOU TO WORK OR TO CARRY OUT ANY OTHER ECONOMIC ACTIVITIES DURING YOUR STAY.
HOW SHOULD I APPLY FOR A SCHENGEN VISA.
Contact the respective embassy / consular section and clarify the information about:
. Specific documents to be provided for the visa type that you need.
. Procedure of submission of your visa application. Please note that embassies of Belgium, Italy, the Netherlands and Spain have introduced the new procedure for handling the visa applications through the intermediaries. Following the new procedure, you should submit your visa application with all the supporting documents to the special visa centres. The services of such visa centres are not free. The embassies of Germany and France are partly using the services of such visa centres (they are responsible for assigning the date of your interview in the Embassy)
Complete and sign your visa application form, attach your recent photograph to it. Schengen visa application forms are free and are distributed at the embassies. You may also download the application forms from the websites of the embassies or consular departments.
Present a valid passport (validity must extend until at least 3 months after the end of the planned journey)
Present documents that describe the purpose and circumstances of your visit (an official letter, a written request, etc)
Demonstrate sufficient means of subsistence for the proposed journey and for the return trip to Ukraine (for example, bank statements, proof of income or an invitation letter or sponsorship declaration from your relatives / friends in a Schengen country)
You may be asked for a copy of your travel itinerary with a confirmed reservation or another proof of your means of transport.
Arrange and present the medical insurance which should be valid in all countries of the European Union and for the whole duration of the stay (number of days) and the validity period of the visa (insurance must cover a minimum of € 30 000)
Pay the consular fee (handling fee for submitting visa application)
Any embassy reserves the right to request any other supporting documents.
A decision on a visa application shall be taken within 10 calendar days of the date of the receipt of the complete visa application and the supporting documents (this period may be extended up to 30 days when further scrutiny is needed).
VISA HANDLING FEE FOR UKRAINIAN CITIZENS.
The fee for processing all types of Schengen visa applications, irrespective of the number of entries, is € 35.
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The information on every applicant for the Schengen visa is checked in the SIS database. Schengen visa may be denied if the applicant is a person for whom an alert has been issued in the SIS. In such cases, the Schengen visa can be issued only in exceptional cases.
VISA WARNING.
Embassies ask that all individuals applying for a visa give complete and correct information about themselves on a visa application form. Do not fall prey to outside parties who want to convince you that there are 'right' answers to visa applications. Though you may be reluctant to answer visa questions honestly, despite what 'consultants' may say, truth is your greatest defence. If you are caught lying on your visa application, there is a good chance that you will be refused to enter the country. Remember that the information you provide during your visa application is investigated by the embassy officials and the only right answers are the truthful ones.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your valuable info
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[QUOTE=Sponsor74;1322910]Thanks for your valuable info[/QUOTE]Welcome my friend.
My other friend on this thread Liljoey didn't think I should have posted it in full and twice as well. I agree, but there was an error and on half a bottle of wine by then as usual.
Cheers
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[QUOTE=Sponsor74;1322906]. Switzerland a not EU country but in Shengen. Regarding hotel I plan she will be with me in my apartment.[/QUOTE]I she stays with you then you need to send her a certifed letter of invitation.
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Make out with locals.
[QUOTE=El Cubanito;1321047]. I did get lucky as I made friends with these locals who spoke English and got to hang out with them. They introduce me to one of there friends, who made the whole trip worth while.[/QUOTE]Hi Guy, your postbox is full so delete your old mails. And tell us, where did you get lucky and contact locals who introduced you to normal girls? Pm me, RB
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I often forget about how clueless guys on here can be.
Yes, there are nightclubs in Kiev, a whole bunch. In these nightclubs are these creatures called girls (hopefully).
If you speak only English and approach these 'girls' in a Kiev nightclub 70% of the time they will say one of two things (without being prompted) 'I am not a prostitute' or '$500 (or whatever number) '. Ah, the joys of Kiev.
If you want a list of nightclubs in Kiev try using this magical thing called 'the internet'. Go to google. Com and type 'nightclubs Kiev' or 'nightclubs kyiv' and hit return. Maps, addresses, videos, reviews. Wow!
I never said I fucked 1200 girls, simply that I have 1200 Ukrainian girls contact information in my Ukrainian mobile phone. If I had to guess I'd say I probably tapped about 20% of them.
[QUOTE=Prosal; 1321654]"Sorry Babushka", the Kiev branch of the Moscow's famous club. How no one has reported on it is astounding. I've been to Kiev only once but had a great time there. The so-called "experts" should better give more useful info instead of bragging about the 1200 dyevs they have allegedly fucked.
[url]http://www.sorrybabushka.com.ua/[/url][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1322919]Welcome my friend.
My other friend on this thread Liljoey didn't think I should have posted it in full and twice as well. I agree, but there was an error and on half a bottle of wine by then as usual.
Cheers[/QUOTE]Jojo, please don't take any offense. The sign of a true humorist is that one can also laugh at oneself. I was merely trading jokes with you. You know, like the "Your Momma" lines that our African American brothers love to trade. Somehow I know you must have laughed just a little. I certainly don't feel there was any issue with posting the whole article. It was obviously something of interest to some people here. And let's face it, who am I to talk about long posts. Talk about the "pot calling the kettle black". Some of my posts are as long if not longer. And I think I know why you need to post things twice sometimes. Could it be that "Big Brother" has denied you the ability to edit your posts, leaving you with only the option of correcting a post and re-posting it? Anyway, it wasn't even the 2nd posting of the same article which tickled my funny bone. What did it for me was Sponsor 74's quoting the entire article again yet a third time, instead of editing it down to a mere reference, in thanking you for posting the info, which inspired my jest. So post away to your heart's content, Jojo, and know, in all seriousness, that it was merely the laugh I was going for.
LJ
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Nighclubs are important.
I have no idea how I would meet girls without the nightclubs. Most of the beauty in Kiev lies with the girls that live in the outer rings. Without venues to concentrate all this pussy, it would be difficult for foreigners to access what's here. Many of these glamour models and just pretty girls do not possess the social fabric to gain good employment in the city. Most just want to eventually find a guy that will take care of them so they can have there one kid. Many Ukranian men are poor prospects because they neither have access to good employment. If a Ukranian guy, has the right education and can work among corporate culture, he will choose a wife that is socially equal to himself. Rare that he will care to have some trophy wife just for the sake of beauty. So it is your job to come to Kiev and rise above the tourist crowd so that you can access one of these poor socially trapped hotties.
Guys that down nightclubs, simply don't have the stamina and persistence of just going. I will be the first to tell you that I have no real game or pickup skills. What I do have is the ability to get my ass out in the field and take whatever rejection some dev wants to through at me over and over again.
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1323096]I have no idea how I would meet girls without the nightclubs. Most of the beauty in Kiev lies with the girls that live in the outer rings. Without venues to concentrate all this pussy, it would be difficult for foreigners to access what's here. Many of these glamour models and just pretty girls do not possess the social fabric to gain good employment in the city. Most just want to eventually find a guy that will take care of them so they can have there one kid. Many Ukranian men are poor prospects because they neither have access to good employment. If a Ukranian guy, has the right education and can work among corporate culture, he will choose a wife that is socially equal to himself. Rare that he will care to have some trophy wife just for the sake of beauty. So it is your job to come to Kiev and rise above the tourist crowd so that you can access one of these poor socially trapped hotties.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. If you go to a late night, face-controlled, high end and expensive bar or club anywhere in EE and FSU, you will find very good looking women all dressed up with wild partying on their minds, and looking for similarly well-appointed, heavy drinking and generous men with the right "look" and "game" to provide the drinks and company to get the job done. If you can fit in and keep up, it's sex guaranteed.
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[QUOTE=Wallyally; 1318767]So I took this old avice from Me and you and went to the BEST one (see below) :
City center, OK to find, girls speak english, the place is huge, it is clean. Yes. 1000 is a lot of cash. 850 for the second hour is not really cheap either.
YOu can chose the girl in the apartment and then take her back to your place "free of extra charge". Took a red haired, nice girl which had taken the lead while doing the line up. She explained sweetly who is there and asked what I wanted.
Went to the room, explained what I wanted. Funny, you then have to walk to the shower past all the other girls grinning at you. And then back again. Same after the deed, but they do not give you number cards as they do at the Olympics, though! .
Excellent nice hard massage, great long super blowjob. Super nice service!
If you want hassle-free, easy action with GREATLOOKING, super nice, tall girls, rating 8-10, go there and nowhere.
Me&you, thank you. The rest of you. Enjoy. (number is below) [/QUOTE]- BEST one 0674438285: on Kripynysto'koho str 4. Parralel to bessarabska: 1000 griv or 125 $ for hour but you can find top girls (7-8-9) like Gennia (tall blonde with Crystal blue eyes and nice tits and ass) or Ivanna (brunnette with blue eyes) or Vlada or Anfisa. 1000 is good deal as you don't have to pay taxi for girl. They will bring the girl to you and take her back with their own taxis in case you want her in your appartment (I prefer this option) or you can stay with the girl at the place as they have rooms. And no extras expenses drinks and so.
Anyone know the new phone number for this place or the apartment number they operate out of at the address?
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The best
I just called and the number works! As ever.
[QUOTE=James Bond 007; 1323116]- BEST one 0674438285: on Kripynysto'koho str 4. Parralel to bessarabska: 1000 griv or 125 $ for hour but you can find top girls (7-8-9) like Gennia (tall blonde with Crystal blue eyes and nice tits and ass) or Ivanna (brunnette with blue eyes) or Vlada or Anfisa. 1000 is good deal as you don't have to pay taxi for girl. They will bring the girl to you and take her back with their own taxis in case you want her in your appartment (I prefer this option) or you can stay with the girl at the place as they have rooms. And no extras expenses drinks and so.
Anyone know the new phone number for this place or the apartment number they operate out of at the address?[/QUOTE]
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Just my 2 cents.
[QUOTE=James Bond 007; 1323116]- BEST one 0674438285: on Kripynysto'koho str 4. Parralel to bessarabska: 1000 griv or 125 $ for hour but you can find top girls (7-8-9) like Gennia (tall blonde with Crystal blue eyes and nice tits and ass) or Ivanna (brunnette with blue eyes) or Vlada or Anfisa. 1000 is good deal as you don't have to pay taxi for girl. They will bring the girl to you and take her back with their own taxis in case you want her in your appartment (I prefer this option) or you can stay with the girl at the place as they have rooms. And no extras expenses drinks and so.
Anyone know the new phone number for this place or the apartment number they operate out of at the address?[/QUOTE]If you are alone in Kiev, without any acquaintences, I would not follow any leads to apartment salons. Rare that I would ever let myself fall into a position of complete weakness.
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[QUOTE=Cruiser D;1323073]If you speak only English and approach these 'girls' in a Kiev nightclub 70% of the time they will say one of two things (without being prompted) 'I am not a prostitute' or '$500 (or whatever number) '. Ah, the joys of Kiev.[/QUOTE]Actually, what they do is just look away to not make eye contact. This is where you have to know the most basic of Russian words like dance with me, drink with me, anything communicated in Russian to make them believe you have some connection to Kiev beyond tourism. It's pretty cool when a girl that initially would not look into eyes does a complete 180 in body language.
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1323139]Actually, what they do is just look away to not make eye contact. This is where you have to know the most basic of Russian words like dance with me, drink with me, anything communicated in Russian to make them believe you have some connection to Kiev beyond tourism. It's pretty cool when a girl that initially would not look into eyes does a complete 180 in body language.[/QUOTE]This is counting without the drunk sluts, which is a commodity in FSU. Talking is totally useless sometimes, I've scored more than a few inebriated dyevs without exchanging one single word.
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Brief Rio Report
There has been several reports here of the club, but here is another report. The current hours are 8pm-5am. It is located behind the Opera House and there are a couple of metro spots within a few blocks. The entrance fee is 100 UAH and drinks are about 60-100 and up UAH. You run a tab of your entrance fee and the drinks. There are 4 dance stages and it doesn't seem like the girls rotate between the stages. 3 of the stages are upstairs and 1 downstairs. There is a dance section upstairs labelled "VIP" which I am not sure what makes it special, but it appeared "full" most of the time as there are "hall monitors" monitoring the number of men in each section. You run a drink tab separately at each location. When you see a girl you are I interested in speaking to, you can let the waitress or the men "hall monitors" know and they will notify the girl. The girl when she is done with her song or two will come and sit with you and talk, drink, etc. There is a separate area for private dancing and it is 200 UAH for 2 songs. Most girls will privately dance for you, but not all of them are available for take out. I don't know girls not "being available for take out" has to do more with the chemistry between the dancer and the client or if that is her personal decision. The take out rate is still $300 USD for 3 hours, but you can certainly pay in UAH currency. The girl I spoke with asked for the money upfront before leaving the club, but I don't know if that is typical or not. As noted before, taxis in front of the club are a total rip-off the non-locals as they will ask for fares 5x the regular rate. If you have a phone number of a taxi driver who will charge you a fair price, certainly better to call him.
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[QUOTE=Prosal;1323159]This is counting without the drunk sluts, which is a commodity in FSU. Talking is totally useless sometimes, I've scored more than a few inebriated dyevs without exchanging one single word.[/QUOTE]I know what you mean but in the more glamorous places, drunk sluts are harder to find.
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1323185]I know what you mean but in the more glamorous places, drunk sluts are harder to find.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. That is why I prefer DJ cocktail bars (something that a priori LACKS in Kiev, but I'm not a specialist, someone can correct me if I'm wrong) to glam clubs.
Strong cocktails + wild atmosphere = drunk sluts = sex.
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[QUOTE=James Bond 007;1323161]There has been several reports here of the club, but here is another report. The current hours are 8pm-5am. It is located behind the Opera House and there are a couple of metro spots within a few blocks. The entrance fee is 100 UAH and drinks are about 60-100 and up UAH. You run a tab of your entrance fee and the drinks. There are 4 dance stages and it doesn't seem like the girls rotate between the stages. 3 of the stages are upstairs and 1 downstairs. There is a dance section upstairs labelled "VIP" which I am not sure what makes it special, but it appeared "full" most of the time as there are "hall monitors" monitoring the number of men in each section. You run a drink tab separately at each location. When you see a girl you are I interested in speaking to, you can let the waitress or the men "hall monitors" know and they will notify the girl. The girl when she is done with her song or two will come and sit with you and talk, drink, etc. There is a separate area for private dancing and it is 200 UAH for 2 songs. Most girls will privately dance for you, but not all of them are available for take out. I don't know girls not "being available for take out" has to do more with the chemistry between the dancer and the client or if that is her personal decision. The take out rate is still $300 USD for 3 hours, but you can certainly pay in UAH currency. The girl I spoke with asked for the money upfront before leaving the club, but I don't know if that is typical or not. As noted before, taxis in front of the club are a total rip-off the non-locals as they will ask for fares 5x the regular rate. If you have a phone number of a taxi driver who will charge you a fair price, certainly better to call him.[/QUOTE]I took one girl for 3 hours and yes cab outside are a rip off, but if you hail one down and negociate they will give you honest rate.
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[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1323073]I often forget about how clueless guys on here can be.
Yes, there are nightclubs in Kiev, a whole bunch. In these nightclubs are these creatures called girls (hopefully).
If you speak only English and approach these 'girls' in a Kiev nightclub 70% of the time they will say one of two things (without being prompted) 'I am not a prostitute' or '$500 (or whatever number) '. Ah, the joys of Kiev.
If you want a list of nightclubs in Kiev try using this magical thing called 'the internet'. Go to google. Com and type 'nightclubs Kiev' or 'nightclubs kyiv' and hit return. Maps, addresses, videos, reviews. Wow!
I never said I fucked 1200 girls, simply that I have 1200 Ukrainian girls contact information in my Ukrainian mobile phone. If I had to guess I'd say I probably tapped about 20% of them.[/QUOTE]Hey Cruiser Ia m planning my next Ukraine trip. When are you planning of going and would you like to hang out. I just want to see your game in action.
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I was doing a little research for an upcoming trip to Kiev and stumbled across this site. I really wish I had found this site a few years back. I admit I prefer to just find a local girl for the night, but the hassle, time, and money (with no guarantee) has led me into that direction on many travels. I'm surprised to hear about men having a hard time picking up women in Kiev. All you need is to be aggressive when the time is needed. I realize my situation is a little different than some others on here, but as my story will show, attitude plays a large role. A little background on myself, I'm 30 and born and raised in Los Angeles. I guess that was my first lucky break. As any of you that have been to Southern California can attest, SoCal is the land of beautiful women. Only a few other places I have visited can rival this city when it comes to women. I say I'm lucky there in that I am comfortable talking to beautiful women now just from the mere exposure of living where I live. Enough of that, on to the story.
My first experience with Ukrainian girls came during a business trip to Washington DC of all places. Apparently, there are requirements for all pools in that area to have lifeguards. The hotel I was staying at had a very attractive female lifeguard the first night I arrived. Unfortunately, the pool was closing so I did not get to start talking to her that night. The next day, there was a male lifeguard so I did not pay much attention at first. When I heard him speaking Ukrainian on his cell phone. I asked if he was Russian (didn't even know they feel there is a difference between Russian and Ukrainian languages). He told me he was Ukrainian and on a work exchange program for his university. All of the lifeguards were on the same program. I told him I was watching Ukraine's Euro Cup match on my Ipad and offered to let him watch it as well.
This brings me to an important lesson in the story. When looking for foreign women, don't just focus on the women making friends with local men is a great way to make them think you're just a fun person and not a total horn dog. Plus it helps to have a translator with your interests in mind. .
It paid off quickly since the girl from the night before came by to visit him and he did an amazing job of talking me up and we just spent the night talking. I quickly learned that unless they are drunk, Ukrainian women love to play indifferent and dislike the direct approach. This all goes out the window when they are drunk though. After another day or two of hanging out with these two, they told me there was going to be a party with all the lifeguards and I was invited. Little did I know, this was just a rabbit hole into one of the crazier weeks of my life. All of the lifeguards lived in one apartment complex and man did these kids like to drink. I was quickly introduced around the party, but since I don't speak ukrainian and most of them only spoke minimal English, I just became known as the guy from LA. Now proof that its not just about looks with these ladies, I took another guy I had met with me. He was a pretty outgoing guy originally from pakistan. I didn't realize that most EE girls don't like guys from pakistan and india but his personality helped him land a few girls as well.
At the party, I began talking to anyone that was near by. All of the girls claimed to have boyfriends, but as the night went on and the bottles turned up empty, they quickly forgot about their boyfriends. I spent the night talking to the amazing lifeguard from my pool and ended up spending the night with her. Learned another lesson about these girls as well, they care way too much about their image. Even the girls that went into the bathroom for a quickie with a guy would claim that nothing happened. If you encounter this, just play along with it and chalk it up to cultural differences. Now, being an American from a place like LA does have its benefits as far as picking up the girls, but they were very quick to latch on at any sign that it was more than just a one-time thing. Feel free to talk them up a little, but just be careful as they are a jealous lot. One of the girls that I let her know was only a one-time thing but I enjoyed being friends with her paid off when I took her to a nightclub in DC and she helped me score an unbelievable Russian girl.
All in all, in one week I fucked 4 girls and got BBBJ from 2 more. Ukrainian women are not that inaccessible. As a recap. Dress to impress, be outgoing, show interest in their culture, and make friends with local guys as well. Now I'm headed to Ukraine shortly and have been offered a place to stay by 6 different people at Kiev University. If no luck there, then try one of the pay for it places.
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Apartment
[QUOTE=Wallyally;1323127]I just called and the number works! As ever.[/QUOTE]Yes maybe a good option in my next trip. Please more details of this street or Metro, house?. And if you have other apartments addresses to recomend are welcome because I like young blonds and nice if I can select different options in apartment with several girls, maybe 6 or more to choose my favorite
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Visiting Kiev Sept 4 to Sept 6
Any other hobbiests here who want to go scout for talent together. Need a wingman.
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[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1322139]I hunt there every 60 days, almost on the cock, sorry: clock. Next is sept 23, then Nov 24[/QUOTE][blue][Email address deleted by Admin][/blue]
Pm we both are regular members and havnt paid for PM!
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Of All Places?
[QUOTE=SoCalJosh; 1323215]I
My first experience with Ukrainian girls came during a business trip to Washington DC of all places. .[/QUOTE]DC, might not sound Sexy, but of All Places in the US its one of the easiest to get laid there big time and its all for free. .
Cheaper than NY in clubs, bars, restaurants.
Yeah, great for Lap Dance clubs as well. Of course no take out.
Way back in 2010 I told Liljoey here on this thread about the great Sex to be had In DC hitting the Clubs and bars. .
And I am serious here, find an AC / DC girl in Washington DC and you tap an unlimited supply of girls.
More females on the pull than available men.
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Tonight
[QUOTE=Haja2001;1323308]Any other hobbiests here who want to go scout for talent together. Need a wingman.[/QUOTE]I'm game. How about tonight?
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Kiev now
Yes, I am in! Where / when / what?
[QUOTE=Eccomiqua;1323585]I'm game. How about tonight?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Wallyally;1323646]Yes, I am in! Where / when / what?[/QUOTE]Sent you a pm. No definitive plans but open to pretty much anything.
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Friendly hing
[QUOTE=Wallyally;1323646]Yes, I am in! Where / when / what?[/QUOTE]There is a special thread here called Travel Announcements (Ukraine). Can't you guys keep these remark there? Then we others can concentrate on real issues here
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[QUOTE=Prosal; 1321654]"Sorry Babushka", the Kiev branch of the Moscow's famous club. How no one has reported on it is astounding. I've been to Kiev only once but had a great time there. The so-called "experts" should better give more useful info instead of bragging about the 1200 dyevs they have allegedly fucked.
[url]http://www.sorrybabushka.com.ua/[/url][/QUOTE]Have been but wouldn't recommend it to be honest. I found the vibe a bit sinister. Felt all the tables were occupied by mini mafia wannabes with their dolls. Ground floor is a bar with some dancing, upstairs a stage where musicians sang cover songs.
Not much to it, even on a Saturday night. Of course, as always, you can do well here if the right crowd is in. The downstairs bar is ok to hang out at and you never know what can happen.
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Bars
For those who don't do clubbing, there are lots of choices in the centre.
Dockers in passage / Kreschatyk is well worth a visit. They have live music, ok food and no Princesses, just normal girls.
Art 44 on Kreschatyk 44 can be good too. Live music. Edible food and again, regular girls.
Volias on Boulevard Shevchenko 1 (beside Lenins statue) is not bad but the bar area is tiny. Best to take a table next to some girls and wait and see.
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[QUOTE=Irish Lad;1323987]Have been but wouldn't recommend it to be honest. I found the vibe a bit sinister. Felt all the tables were occupied by mini mafia wannabes with their dolls. Ground floor is a bar with some dancing, upstairs a stage where musicians sang cover songs.[/QUOTE]You are surely right. Honestly, when I was there, I was beyond the right amount of drunkeness, and as it was my first night in Kiev everything seemed great and fun.
The bars you mention are DJ cocktails bars, or just pubs with music? . My feeling is that what lacks in Kiev are unbridled venues as Coyote Ugly in Moscow or xxxx bars in Piter. It doesn't seem that there is a lot of cool artsy / underground spots also, but I could be wrong.
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[QUOTE=Irish Lad; 1323987]Have been but wouldn't recommend it to be honest. I found the vibe a bit sinister. Felt all the tables were occupied by mini mafia wannabes with their dolls. Ground floor is a bar with some dancing, upstairs a stage where musicians sang cover songs.
Not much to it, even on a Saturday night. Of course, as always, you can do well here if the right crowd is in. The downstairs bar is ok to hang out at and you never know what can happen.[/QUOTE]IL, could you please share which Kiev club is best for pickups. Not working girls.
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1324090]IL, could you please share which Kiev club is best for pickups. Not working girls.[/QUOTE]Shooters without a doubt. Girls are not allowed to work there 100%. They do of course to some degree but it's a place where every one has a sporting chance of getting a result. After that, Avalon should be ok but 10-20% used to be the WG ratio. Caribbean has a 30% ratio I would guess.
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Coming to Rio soon.
The London Evening Standard is Promoting one of its journalists as Lap dancing Correspondent to tour and report on Strip clubs all over the World.
And contrary to what some on this thread might think, re his Name? LOL. He is Simon English. And not Liljoey.
Read his article on Asset Strippers dated 5 Sept. On here.
[url]http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/asset-strippers-are-lap-dances-the-way-to-do-business-8105444.html[/url]
Hope he he does Rio soon and report what he thinks of it compared to the ones he had been to. .
For me it is what it is " Not a Heaven For Sex Tourists, nor a Tourist Trap " as Duenstrieb put it.
But alas it can be a Tourist trap when a monger thinks all the Hot Ones are available for take out and spends $$$ trying to Which Is Which.
The End
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Re Rio again.
For me it is what it is " Not a Heaven For Sex Tourists, nor a Tourist Trap " as Duenstrieb put it.
But alas it can be a Tourist trap when a monger thinks all the Hot Ones are available for take out and spends $$$ trying to find out Which Is Which.
For me I have never taken a Dancer from there and never will at US$ 300, Rio or No Rio in Kiev or anywhere in the world.
When I am in Kiev I just happen to drift there along with other places which are within walking distance from where I am staying.
I have a drink watch the dancers and on occasion took lap dances.
Re above on take out. More than credible member did report here that not all girls are available for take out. I concor with that.
At one time I tried just in the interest of research to find out during a Lap dance.
The girl said maybe at 5 am? .
There you have it, and this was around midnight. So was I expected to hang around till 5 am to find out whether its yes or No.
I had to post again on Rio what I have always said right from the start.
And this is also in reply to a PM I receieved from a newbie heading to Kiev, re his questions. On Rio girls.
Hope this clarifies it.
That said newbies shouldn't be intimedated from asking questions on the open forum on Rio or any other venues. .
Gagging orders if appropriate are in the hands of Big Brother on ISG.
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Re Rio again.
For me it is what it is " Not a Heaven For Sex Tourists, nor a Tourist Trap " as Duenstrieb put it.
But alas it can be a Tourist trap when a monger thinks all the Hot Ones are available for take out and spends $$$ trying to find out Which Is Which.
For me I have never taken a Dancer from there and never will at US$ 300, Rio or No Rio in Kiev or anywhere in the world.
When I am in Kiev I just happen to drift there along with other places which are within walking distance from where I am staying.
I have a drink watch the dancers and on occasion took lap dances.
Re above on take out. More than credible member did report here that not all girls are available for take out. I concor with that.
At one time I tried just in the interest of research to find out during a Lap dance.
The girl said maybe at 5 am? .
There you have it, and this was around midnight. So was I expected to hang around till 5 am to find out whether its yes or No.
I had to post again on Rio what I have always said right from the start.
And this is also in reply to a PM I receieved from a newbie heading to Kiev, re his questions. On Rio girls.
Hope this clarifies it.
That said newbies shouldn't be intimidated from asking questions on the open forum on Rio or any other venues. .
Gagging orders if appropriate are in the hands of Big Brother on ISG.
Ooops hope I didn't post again?
Computer problems. Sorry.
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Mamba
[QUOTE=Titanius; 1322759]Hi guys.
Is it just me or the search engine in mamba. Ru does not work anymore?
I got a free account and the age range search does not apply.[/QUOTE]Could someone please explain why I can no longer search age on Mamba. Sorry, just a mamba newbie.
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[QUOTE=Jojosun;1324167]For me it is what it is " Not a Heaven For Sex Tourists, nor a Tourist Trap " as Duenstrieb put it.[/QUOTE]Perfectly said, the show is definitely worth the price of admission and drinks.
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[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1324167]For me it is what it is " Not a Heaven For Sex Tourists, nor a Tourist Trap " as Duenstrieb put it.
But alas it can be a Tourist trap when a monger thinks all the Hot Ones are available for take out and spends $$$ trying to find out Which Is Which.[/QUOTE]A better way of "finding out which is which" would be to simply open up your mouth and ask whether a girl is dancer only or goes out. This question can be addressed to the manager in each lounge, or even directly to the girl. It is not necessary to wait until you spend $$$ on the girl and take her to private dances before you ask her questions like whether she speaks English or whether she is dancer only or sometimes goes out with customers. I prefer to ask such questions of the manager. If I would ask the girl, it requires being careful with words to make sure she doesn't misunderstand the question and think I am asking her out at that moment, and that she realizes that I am only inquiring generally what her story is, and that I will continue to consider the matter, and maybe will ask her out later. Also, because it is up to each girl whether she wants to go out with a customer, I feel it is necessary to develop a rapport and good relationship and good feeling and chemistry with the girl, such that she is interested in the take out date with me, before asking such questions of her, lest she simply answer in a way that is uninspiring. All said, it seems best to ask a manager about the girl you are interested in. If she has been there a while, he will usually know about her habits with customers.
By the way, this info is in my prior posts detailing how to best operate within Rio. So the monger spending $$$ to find out which girls are available for take out and which are dancer only, rendering himself a victim of a "tourist trap", is guilty of not properly reading the thread and properly preparing for mongering in Kiev. I have said many times that properly reading the thread will give you many pieces of information and tips that will save you time and money as you try to monger in Kiev. This would be a good example.
[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1324167]Re above on take out. More than credible member did report here that not all girls are available for take out. I concor with that.
At one time I tried just in the interest of research to find out during a Lap dance.
The girl said maybe at 5 am? .
There you have it, and this was around midnight. So was I expected to hang around till 5 am to find out whether its yes or No.
I had to post again on Rio what I have always said right from the start.
And this is also in reply to a PM I receieved from a newbie heading to Kiev, re his questions. On Rio girls.
Hope this clarifies it.[/QUOTE]Jojo, in all my own experiences at this club, the 5:00 AM club closing time was the time by which most girls wanted to be finished with the take out date and back at the club, presumably to collect their portion of the money you paid, which was left at the club, and also because they wanted to get to sleep so they could deal with whatever they had going the next day whether it be university classes, or just another all nighter at work at the club. So I suspect the girl was telling you at about midnight that she could only go out with you until 5:00 AM, when she would have to return to the club. I think you simply misunderstood her. She wasn't saying wait until 5:00 AM to begin the date. She was saying you could have a date until 5:00 AM. Many girls have said this to me. It is an exceptional success if you get one of these girls to stay with you later than 5:00 AM, which can occur only if they really like you and don't feel pressured about the next day's responsibilities. I'm not sure what you were clarifying via PM as you didn't elaborate, but I think you had a misunderstanding in the one instance you described.
Happy mongering.
LJ
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Probably server problem
I am no internet specialist, but now and then I have noticed some hickups in the Mamba Forum. My guess is that the service provider is updating the database. During this the forum may be 'down' for a while. Mamba-forum has been changed a bit recently, and now we can no longer search 'sex-for-money'. Secondly, reliable services like banks sometimes experience hackers, who try to invade, steal or destroy data. This will also result in some hickup for the registered user, sometimes for a day or more. So the internet is not always stable. Thirdly, if someone makes a complaint of you for something you have written and find it insulting, you will have trouble, sometimes your profile may be shut down without notice. Lately, when I was logging in, I was asked about my birthdate, so I guess there was some suspicion about my identity. Luckily I remembere my registered birthday! My advice: keep a record of friend, like a copy or s. L. T, and make sure you can contact them outside the forum.
[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1324433]Could someone please explain why I can no longer search age on Mamba. Sorry, just a mamba newbie.[/QUOTE]
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Rio Club Experiences
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1324521]A better way of "finding out which is which" would be to simply open up your mouth and ask whether a girl is dancer only or goes out. This question can be addressed to the manager in each lounge, or even directly to the girl. It is not necessary to wait until you spend $$$ on the girl and take her to private dances before you ask her questions like whether she speaks English or whether she is dancer only or sometimes goes out with customers. I prefer to ask such questions of the manager. If I would ask the girl, it requires being careful with words to make sure she doesn't misunderstand the question and think I am asking her out at that moment, and that she realizes that I am only inquiring generally what her story is, and that I will continue to consider the matter, and maybe will ask her out later. Also, because it is up to each girl whether she wants to go out with a customer, I feel it is necessary to develop a rapport and good relationship and good feeling and chemistry with the girl, such that she is interested in the take out date with me, before asking such questions of her, lest she simply answer in a way that is uninspiring. All said, it seems best to ask a manager about the girl you are interested in. If she has been there a while, he will usually know about her habits with customers.
By the way, this info is in my prior posts detailing how to best operate within Rio. So the monger spending $$$ to find out which girls are available for take out and which are dancer only, rendering himself a victim of a "tourist trap", is guilty of not properly reading the thread and properly preparing for mongering in Kiev. I have said many times that properly reading the thread will give you many pieces of information and tips that will save you time and money as you try to monger in Kiev. This would be a good example.
Jojo, in all my own experiences at this club, the 5:00 AM club closing time was the time by which most girls wanted to be finished with the take out date and back at the club, presumably to collect their portion of the money you paid, which was left at the club, and also because they wanted to get to sleep so they could deal with whatever they had going the next day whether it be university classes, or just another all nighter at work at the club. So I suspect the girl was telling you at about midnight that she could only go out with you until 5:00 AM, when she would have to return to the club. I think you simply misunderstood her. She wasn't saying wait until 5:00 AM to begin the date. She was saying you could have a date until 5:00 AM. Many girls have said this to me. It is an exceptional success if you get one of these girls to stay with you later than 5:00 AM, which can occur only if they really like you and don't feel pressured about the next day's responsibilities. I'm not sure what you were clarifying via PM as you didn't elaborate, but I think you had a misunderstanding in the one instance you described.
Happy mongering.
LJ[/QUOTE]Very Briefly.
! The girl in question spoke very good English. Sat next to me and then I took her for a Private Dance.
2 Asked her if she will come out with me? She replied in very good English and very clearly, Maybe at 5 am. She could have meant after work or something. BTW I didn't have any intention of taking her out, I was just testing the waters.
3 More than one credible member reported here that not all the Hot ones do go out.
4. Who goes out, how to find out, how to play the game in Rio, building of Chemistry, etc, is All Very Academic to me after all this time.
Simply not interested at US$ 300 plus other costs.
Sorry for Repeating myself yet again.
Happy Mongering at whatever Turns you On.
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[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1324609]Very Briefly.
! The girl in question spoke very good English. Sat next to me and then I took her for a Private Dance.
2 Asked her if she will come out with me? She replied in very good English and very clearly, Maybe at 5 am. She could have meant after work or something. BTW I didn't have any intention of taking her out, I was just testing the waters.
3 More than one credible member reported here that not all the Hot ones do go out.
4. Who goes out, how to find out, how to play the game in Rio, building of Chemistry, etc, is All Very Academic to me after all this time.
Simply not interested at US$ 300 plus other costs.
Sorry for Repeating myself yet again.
Happy Mongering at whatever Turns you On.[/QUOTE]There is no "right" way in doing things. All is about your looks, wallet, work etc. Most important PERSONALITY and what you prefer. I would suggest people don't listen to all these Rio cowboys have to say.
The ones that smile and flirt with you both while sitting beside you and dancing is most often a bad hand to play. Now I must say I never take a go go girl home since its most often bad sex. Last weekend I was on work trip and was sitting with my co worker at the stip club (not Rio). After turning away best looking girls for lady drinks and private dances I spotted a girl that did not even look my way. She did not flirt with clients while dancing and in general it dose seem she hated to be on stage. After her third dance on stage I was trying to talk with her while she was passing my table, telling her she was a great dancer. Guess what. She ignored me!
In the end my friends girl ask her to come and join me. I will make this story short. Yes I bought her around 10 lady drinks, I did not ask her for private dances and did not touch her. And finally last 3 drinks while I was holding around her she whispered in my ear that unfortunately she can not kiss me in club even she feels lonely sometimes (yes yes she was a bit drunk). Was out of the club 05:30 and took taxi right to the place she told me we will meet. We took few drinks more, kissing talking etc. Had to go to work, in the evening she had dinner with me followed great experience in my hotel rom free of charge.
Adapting to situation is a key to success.
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Asset Strippers.
[QUOTE=Tomux 22; 1324816]There is no "right" way in doing things. All is about your looks, wallet, work etc. Most important PERSONALITY and what you prefer. I would suggest people don't listen to all these Rio cowboys have to say.
Adapting to situation is a key to success.[/QUOTE].
Not only that.
If you read the investigative article on a London Club Strippers on the link below, you wiil see that some strippers are Married, others are with boyfriends, and others are Simply Dykes. These categories are merely Prick Teasers getting paid for it.
This is true in most Strip Clubs all over the world.
That said, there are unattached Strippers who would go out with a monger, or even date him, including students moonlighting during holidays and weekends.
[url]http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/asset-strippers-are-lap-dances-the-way-to-do-business-8105444.html[/url]
The article also shows that this club (Sophisticats) does have an official PR woman.
Might be an Idea for RIO club to Start a thread in the Kiev section, where the named PR person will answer all relevant questions together with a Gallery of photos of girls even blurred, Rota of girls working during the week, languages spoken. This would answer a lot of questions here about the present Line Up etc, and cuts a lot of corners.
Other questions should be left until such time when the monger meets girl or the manager at the club, re who would come out, or who wouldn't?
This is entirely left at the discretion of the girl. Manager at the club, re who would come out, or who wouldn't?
This is entirely left at the discretion of the girl.
I would rather hear it first hand Straight From The Horses Mouth.
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Asset Strippers.
[QUOTE=Tomux 22; 1324816]There is no "right" way in doing things. All is about your looks, wallet, work etc. Most important PERSONALITY and what you prefer. I would suggest people don't listen to all these Rio cowboys have to say.
Adapting to situation is a key to success.[/QUOTE].
Not only that.
If you read the investigative article on a London Club Strippers on the link below, you wiil see that some strippers are Married, others are with boyfriends, and others are Simply Dykes. These categories are merely Prick Teasers getting paid for it.
This is true in most Strip Clubs all over the world.
That said, there are unattached Strippers who would go out with a monger, or even date him, including students moonlighting during holidays and weekends.
[url]http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/asset-strippers-are-lap-dances-the-way-to-do-business-8105444.html[/url]
The article also shows that this club (Sophisticats) does have an official PR woman.
Might be an Idea for RIO club to Start a thread in the Kiev section, where the named PR person will answer all relevant questions together with a Gallery of photos of girls even blurred, Rota of girls working during the week, languages spoken. This would answer a lot of questions here about the present Line Up etc, and cuts a lot of corners.
Other questions should be left until such time when the monger meets girl or the manager at the club, re who would come out, or who wouldn't?
This is entirely left at the discretion of the girl.
I would rather hear it first hand Straight From The Horses Mouth.
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[QUOTE=Tomux 22; 1324816]There is no "right" way in doing things. All is about your looks, wallet, work etc. Most important PERSONALITY and what you prefer. I would suggest people don't listen to all these Rio cowboys have to say.
The ones that smile and flirt with you both while sitting beside you and dancing is most often a bad hand to play. Now I must say I never take a go go girl home since its most often bad sex. Last weekend I was on work trip and was sitting with my co worker at the stip club (not Rio). After turning away best looking girls for lady drinks and private dances I spotted a girl that did not even look my way. She did not flirt with clients while dancing and in general it dose seem she hated to be on stage. After her third dance on stage I was trying to talk with her while she was passing my table, telling her she was a great dancer. Guess what. She ignored me!
In the end my friends girl ask her to come and join me. I will make this story short. Yes I bought her around 10 lady drinks, I did not ask her for private dances and did not touch her. And finally last 3 drinks while I was holding around her she whispered in my ear that unfortunately she can not kiss me in club even she feels lonely sometimes (yes yes she was a bit drunk). Was out of the club 05:30 and took taxi right to the place she told me we will meet. We took few drinks more, kissing talking etc. Had to go to work, in the evening she had dinner with me followed great experience in my hotel rom free of charge.
Adapting to situation is a key to success.[/QUOTE]+1. I've said it many times here. Many opportunities with strippers in FSU, as long as you treat them nicely and respectfully, and if you show some empathy, self-restraint and personal attention. Those girls deal night after night with boorish sex-weaned guys, and are usually happy to find someone who don't treat them like pieces of meat.
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[QUOTE=Prosal;1324883]+1. I've said it many times here. Many opportunities with strippers in FSU, as long as you treat them nicely and respectfully, and if you show some empathy, self-restraint and personal attention. Those girls deal night after night with boorish sex-weaned guys, and are usually happy to find someone who don't treat them like pieces of meat.[/QUOTE]Yes, women always likes men to qualify somehow. Words, time, money, security, etc.
I was just dumped by my UA student. Huhuhuhu. All in tears here. I did not qualify enough. Going to Asia fucking other teens and not paying her enough attention. Bad Barba. Having babies with other women always makes things complicated as well. Sort of dents the trust somewhat but I refuse to lie about such important matters. Huhuhu. Some more sobbing.
FREEDOM! Hurray! I would not mind to fuck her a few more times and take her anal cherry, but admit I was getting slightly bored with her after all these minutes we spent together.
A little survey:
How many of you pervs fucked Nika?
[url]http://flirt.com.ua/mb769952927/?afolder=dating[/url]
And how many did her in number two, I. E. The chocolate X?
I do not think I am sharing any secrets when I say that her pictures are 60% of reality as so often, but beats wanking off if your alone in Kiev some day.
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Nika
Funny enough, Barba. I am the only loser who did not have neither her pink and brown one. She insists she only does massage!
I did have a hard time convincing her that deepthroat is part of a good massage. But she did not accept any other body opening to be on the menue.
Funny, funny. What did I do wrong? .
[QUOTE=Barba; 1325122]Yes, women always likes men to qualify somehow. Words, time, money, security, etc.
I was just dumped by my UA student. Huhuhuhu. All in tears here. I did not qualify enough. Going to Asia fucking other teens and not paying her enough attention. Bad Barba. Having babies with other women always makes things complicated as well. Sort of dents the trust somewhat but I refuse to lie about such important matters. Huhuhu. Some more sobbing.
FREEDOM! Hurray! I would not mind to fuck her a few more times and take her anal cherry, but admit I was getting slightly bored with her after all these minutes we spent together.
A little survey:
How many of you pervs fucked Nika?
[url]http://flirt.com.ua/mb769952927/?afolder=dating[/url]
And how many did her in number two, I. E. The chocolate X?
I do not think I am sharing any secrets when I say that her pictures are 60% of reality as so often, but beats wanking off if your alone in Kiev some day.
B[/QUOTE]
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Not a report, sorry, but I've forgotten my original username, as it has been awhile. Cruiser D knows who I am. Rented Leo's apartment if you recall. Sorry for the retarded post, but I'd like to log into my old profile, but I can't recall my username (rbrenton88 perhaps) in order to reset the password. My email has changed since I last logged in.
Thanks for your patience guys. Cruiser, where are you?
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[QUOTE=Wallyally; 1325425]Funny enough, Barba. I am the only loser who did not have neither her pink and brown one. She insists she only does massage!
I did have a hard time convincing her that deepthroat is part of a good massage. But she did not accept any other body opening to be on the menue.
Funny, funny. What did I do wrong? .[/QUOTE]Hmmm. That is odd. Massage was never discussed when I met her. We had some wine, fucked, had some more wine, fucked some more. Easy going girl.
B.
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Are You Guys Kidding?
[QUOTE=Wallyally; 1325425]Funny enough, Barba. I am the only loser who did not have neither her pink and brown one. She insists she only does massage!
I did have a hard time convincing her that deepthroat is part of a good massage. But she did not accept any other body opening to be on the menue.
Funny, funny. What did I do wrong? .[/QUOTE]Nika? ? ? ?
Did you post the right link? Why are you guys salivating over this girl, Nika? I've Looked at her profile photos and she appears to be a chubby, plain looking girl? If this is the girl, then I disagree that she "beats wanking off if you're alone in Kiev some day."
If it came down to just this girl, I say go ahead and wank off!
Here's a tip. Instead of thinking about fat, chubby, plain, Nika, while you're wanking off, try this link ([url]www.4tube.com[/url]) which has helped my wanking sessions go rather brilliantly. There are clips that go for a very long time, even half an hour. So should be enough for the most avid wanking enthusiast.
Or if it's a massage girl worthy of salivating over you need, go see Ira, Sasha or Vika at Rakuena Massage (see photos on their website) ([url]www.rakuena.com.ua[/url]) or perhaps Inessa at Salon Dolly Massage (see photo on their website) ([url]www.salondolly.com[/url] ). These massage salons have both been written about on the thread and were given high marks by those that reported. The photos of some of the girls look pretty hot with gorgeous, sexy bodies. Now that's a nice thought to have such hotties sliding their bodies all over yours, isn't it? Do you really prefer a chubby girl like, Nika?
LJ
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Check possible mistake in the link posted for Nika
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1326041]Nika? ? ? ?
Did you post the right link? Why are you guys salivating over this girl, Nika? I've Looked at her profile photos and she appears to be a chubby, plain looking girl? If this is the girl, then I disagree that she "beats wanking off if you're alone in Kiev some day."
If it came down to just this girl, I say go ahead and wank off!
Here's a tip. Instead of thinking about fat, chubby, plain, Nika, while you're wanking off, try this link (
[url]www.4tube.com[/url]
) which has helped my wanking sessions go rather brilliantly. There are clips that go for a very long time, even half an hour. So should be enough for the most avid wanking enthusiast.
Or if it's a massage girl worthy of salivating over you need, go see Ira, Sasha or Vika at Rakuena Massage (see photos on their website)
[url]www.rakuena.com.ua[/url]
or perhaps Inessa at Salon Dolly Massage (see photo on their website)
[url]www.salondolly.com[/url]
These massage salons have both been written about on the thread and were given high marks by those that reported. The photos of some of the girls look pretty hot with gorgeous, sexy bodies. Now that's a nice thought to have such hotties sliding their bodies all over yours, isn't it? Do you really prefer a chubby girl like, Nika?
LJ[/QUOTE]The girl in the profile one gets by following the link posted for Nika (chubby, massage only girl) , does not match the photos just attached on this thread for her which show a slimmer girl. So it looks like the link has a mistaken reference.
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Wallyally, and others that know me. If you like dark haired girls I can recommend Y. PM me if you know me and / or are not a prick, and want her details.
Barba's lip size correlation theory is supported by Y. Just see pics and imagine how juicy her clam is. Nika from my last post was soft in a feminine way, but a bit stupid and with yellow teeth. Y is a sharper tool that you can have a reasonable good conversation with between the sex. We had a great time for about 4 hours. I paid for just one hour so she had a good time as well I think. I was carried away and wanted to fuck her without a condom after a couple of hours and a couple of glasses of red, but fortunately she resisted in an elegant way and dressed me up for the occasion. Her tits are a little bit softer than I like them, but quite big so the softness is excused. Nice pussy that smelled and tasted sweet and fresh. In short an educated student that knows how to use her pussy. I apply a no repeat rule to most girl I see, so I do not mind sharing with the few generous gentlemen here. The girlfriends we naturally all keep to ourselves until we are done with them, but let us transform this pathetic ego parade corner of ISG to something we can actually benefit from. I don't care if you share older or young with me, as long as you tested her and know she is honest and clean. A woman is a woman, and they are all worth a big hard cock in them if they are honest and clean. A phone number without a picture is quite useless IMHO, unless there is a detailed description of the girl.
I "just have to go back" to Asia in a couple of weeks so no Ukraine until late October, but if anyone are around by then, we could meet over a beer. We can share experiences and numbers to girls we had a good time with.
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Since I am in such a generous mood I will share a picture of a girl I would recommend you NOT to meet. I found out that at least one of my close friends here also spent precious time and cash on her, so I can imagine she is one of these serial offenders when it comes to using a mans hope to get free meals at fancy restaurants. The girl to the left is not unfriendly in any way, on the contrary, but just boring and has very high thoughts about herself and her vagina. A very fit body and a reasonably (not very) pretty face. I got to feel her up a bit and squeeze her firm tits while kissing her after she got hammered in a restaurant, and I would love to fuck her, but not if I have to take her to endless dinners first.
The blond girl I was introduce to at a fancy club and she was quite hot with a big juicy ass that would drive my Greek friend insane. He loves to mount himself behind a big round soft ass and press his thick hairy Johnsson in the honey cave. She said she was 18 and the next day she wanted to see me only if I took her to a really fancy restaurant I forgot the name of. Streif or whatever it was called. Think I wrote about it before. The girl to the left later told me that Blondie is only 16. Or was it 17? In any case I would avoid them both, unless I knew the meal at the mafia wannabe restaurant rendered me some guaranteed pussy. The picture is from one of these Kiev by night web pages, so I guess they are frequent guests, spending visitors hard earned money.
If you, despite my warnings, wish to invest the time in this girl, I will be happy to point gentlemen and friends to her Facebook account.
B.
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Chubby sex
Guys, give me a break and do not blame Nika for being chubby. She is less chubby then ALL of us!
I had two very funny sisters last ween, one a 6/7 with nice firm tits and long, long, long legs. The other chubby. They were very cool together, kissed, kissed me, did double blowjob, then the chubby one liked my ass outside and inside. Very cool. And had me cum on her big, big tits1111.
I liked. Want to try? 0989430559.
[QUOTE=LilJoey;1326258]The girl in the profile one gets by following the link posted for Nika (chubby, massage only girl) , does not match the photos just attached on this thread for her which show a slimmer girl. So it looks like the link has a mistaken reference.[/QUOTE]
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What makes you tick
Boy oh boy, its a great feeling when you close a discussion with a 19 year old Mamba girl after 10 months of ranting, and she agrees to tell her mobile so we can meet. Yes I am going to Kiev, and no, its not definate, but very likely she will join the group of happy girls who get into my apartment. There is nothing, IMHO, that compares to winning a girl, half my age or less, to actually want to have sex, and enter the bed, weak in her knees, because she has for a long time had no sex or little experience. I'm glad to help and train until they have had some fresh and fantastic experience. Hope to report soon. Among the girls knocking on my message board is this, I suspect she is a pro, can anyone confirm? RB.
[url]http://mamba.ru/my/message.phtml?cid=319220[/url]
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[QUOTE=Wallyally;1326472]Guys, give me a break and do not blame Nika for being chubby. She is less chubby then ALL of us![/QUOTE]Yea, she is not that chubby. I do not see LJ:s messages but when he is quoted and the girl is the same. Maybe she lost weight. I just saw her once some time ago and posted that because she seems to be one of those girls that half the world spunked in. LOL.
Thanks for the number!
RB, I can totally relate to that. Still working on the 18 year old model that is just so slim and gorgeous. Sometimes the hunt is even better than the kill. Or at least just as thrilling.
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[QUOTE=Roll Buzz;1326727][url]http://mamba.ru/my/message.phtml?cid=319220[/url][/QUOTE]Roll Buzz, that link just close my browser window immediately. No idea why.
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Mamba
Because he posted a link to her private message to him which of course we cannot see as not being logged in with his I'd. Smarter to post her I'd or profile!
[QUOTE=Barba; 1326940]Roll Buzz, that link just close my browser window immediately. No idea why.
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[QUOTE=Barba; 1326940]Roll Buzz, that link just close my browser window immediately. No idea why.
B.[/QUOTE]Sorry, my mistake, this ws message window. Here is profile:
[url]http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=720717940&hit=3[/url]
This is also questionable:
[url]http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=340111153&hit=3[/url]
Info if anyone has.
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To dear Liljoey
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1322745]Dear Ronaldinjo,
I haven't disappeared. Nor have I ever been scared by the aggressive comments of a few assholes that inhabit this thread along with the rest of us. Just as the human body has a mind that can dream and a heart that can sing, eyes with which to behold the beauties of Kiev, and tongues with which to tastepossessory also possesses an asshole through which passes all its drek and dross that should be eliminated, so too does this ISG thread on Kiev have it's dreamers and thinkers, its singers and its venerable masters, and yes its assholes too, through which pass all their drek and drivel onto this thread for your reading pleasure. And you assholes know who you are! In the interests of avoiding a war, I shall not name names. But if upon reading these my words your sphincter is puckering and your juices fuming with anger or irritation, then you are one of the assholes. And if you are laughing, then you are one of the good guys.
Ahhhh. Writing that paragraph was immensely satisfying. I hope why'all out there were as entertained in reading it as I was in writing it. LOL.
Now, Ronaldinjo, the girls typically take me for a good looking 35 to 37 year old guy, so what's with the hello "old man" stuff? I guess some might say "hello Old boy" with the meaning of "hello old friend", so in my vanity, I shall assume you meant it as such.
I haven't posted for a relatively short while because I was waiting for all the nonsense about all kind of extraneous topics to die down, and for the discussion to turn back to our thread's proper topic. Questions and advice on scoring hot pussy in Kiev, be it p4p or freebie sex (I have long since recommended dividing the thread between these two essentially different types of girl-seeking). There has been all this stuff about France bashing and defending, a personal war of words between Prosal and CD, where Russian women prefer to travel, and sundry other off topic stuff, that anything I might have written would be of no use to the newbies who needed any help or advice because it would have immediately been buried in all the drek being spewed out into this thread. And you have to be careful too of which question you ask here, or Jojosun will, in his desire to be helpful, dump the entire pertinent Wikipedia article into this thread for your reading pleasure, and then do it twice, as is his custom.
And it is a given, that newbies, who are the ones who might benefit from what I wrote, will definitely not bother to research the thread conscientiously, and therefore will not spot my post of even two weeks prior, before asking questions just answered. So what would be the point of posting the general information type post I do once in a while? It wouldn't benefit newbies, as it would immediately be buried by the flurry of nonsense being posted of late, and would only irritate those veterans who have short fuses. So better to allow the current trend of discussion to exhaust itself, in my opinion.
The truth is that my last posts were only a short two weeks ago, on this thread, and I haven't gone anywhere. No one's asked a question recently that needed a response beyond what I posted then. For any newbies needing or desiring my comments here are some links to my recent comments that might interest you:
Cost hierarchy of p4p in Kiev.
[url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1316208&viewfull=1#post1316208[/url]
This report earned the following nod from veteran Cruiser D:
Prices Update.
[url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1318574&viewfull=1#post1318574[/url]
This report was in response to Salbatorxxx's question to the forum about Rio, and to any honest reader the report maintains its objectivity and while discussing Rio in response to the question asked, as it must, also put that strip club option into the proper context of the other options available in Kiev, as well as candidly pointed out the deficiencies of Rio in comparison with other strip clubs, and its sole advantage being regarding price for take out.
This report, as well as the previously referenced report, are a complete rebuttal to the "mythology" a few assholes on this thread are trying to promote that my reports are pushing the Rio option, and shilling for Rio, over other options for Kiev mongering. Nothing could be further from the truth. Just follow the links I provided and read what I have actually written in my posts and you will see the lie exposed by the actuality of my words, and the truth shall then dispel the myth. I state this for newbies, so that they don't get confused by the stupidity being posted by a few idiots on this thread. What I have written is clearly objective and fair reviewing of ALL options in Kiev, pointing out factors that occur to me might be important to other mongers as pros and cons for themselves in each option or venue. There is no shilling going on whatsoever.
There is however a mania that has infected a few zombies here on the thread to the point that they refer to Rio strip club as "the despised club" or not wanting to even utter the unholy name of the place refer to it as "the three letter club" or some other ridiculous manner. Dear newbie, when you read some such references to a place in Kiev that is just like any other place, with no mystery, you should simply know that the author of the comment you are at that time reading is a moron of the first order who resides in an alternate reality from this here and now world, and simply discount what they are saying, once you realize that they have some sort of mental "issue" either with my brazenness in continuing to post my opinion in the face of their intimidation, or they hate the club, or some such other nonsense that has nothing to do with giving you usable information for mongering in Kiev. The intimidation by way of name calling and insult that these guys have tried to foster here on this thread is palpable, and has members afraid to mention they visited Rio or had a nice time there. There are notable exceptions such as guys like Kirsch who posts about his great times without fear and with honesty. The intimidation unfortunately has guys like Jojosun scurrying to quickly disassociate themselves from my mongering objectives or reports. How sad, the lack of backbone. Really Jojo you disappointed me with that one, as well as your latest taunt to Ronaldinjo to find me by calling Rio, haha, which I'm sure you meant as a jest, but nevertheless feeds the mindless myth of the "intimidators" whom you apparently fear. You once posted your analysis that trashed that shilling and multiple identity stupidity by incisive logic. Where is that great mind of yours now? Yet I do not need allies to stand with me openly on this forum, if they don't have the balls to suffer the abuse of the "intimidators" lurking here. My shoulders are big enough to handle the criticism of the cretins who resort to name calling and smear of shilling for Rio that they promote as a myth in order to try to discredit my clearly balanced and honest reporting, such as the last one who tried it, namely PedroToronja. I often receive PM's of support from those who can recognize the difference between truth and bullshit. The symptom of mindlessness is most evident when in response to a cogent argument you see in the next responding post merely name calling and smear instead of a lucid argument. Here is a link to my response to Pedro:
Response to PedroToronja accusation of shilling:
[url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1319461&viewfull=1#post1319461[/url]
Dear newbie, if you can come away from reading the three posts I just referenced above with any shred of doubt as to my accuracy and integrity in reporting here on this thread, then you are hopeless and I recommend for you to not read my posts. However, if you feel you can benefit from the information I have presented and will continue to present, then by all means drink of these waters and gain knowledge. I think most newbies are intelligent enough to use the sniff test to recognize the bullshitters from those who honestly report on all options and don't have an axe to grind or a bias against any one option in particular. It is for those readers that I post my reports. Live and let live!
Cruiser D is not a fan of my posts, but rather a critic, since he is a veteran who knows the information I post for newbies, and doesn't need it. So to him it's useless, as he can always fall back on the many numbers he has in his vaunted Contacts list of girls in Kiev he previously met over the years. But at least he is honest. He knows the shilling thing is bullshit. However, he feels I took the easy way to finding really hot pussy in Kiev, when there are more fun ways or maybe cheaper ways. That criticism I accept, because you see he is precisely correct. I was looking for the easiest and most sure way to get hot pussy into my bed without fail each night of a three night visit to Kiev. So I looked for the easiest and surest way. If that's what you too are looking for, then my own experiences can be helpful to you. If you are instead looking to chase freebies and not p4p, or your budget or economic mentality cannot allow you to spend more than a minimum of $100 on a p4p experience, then you must find a different guru or source for the good info. My easy and sure way turned out to be an expensive way, but I expected to pay more for convenience and certainty, as is always the case, and tried to get the best prices I felt possible without sacrificing too much convenience and certainty. But I certainly always pointed out the cheaper, but less certain or convenient ways of getting pussy in Kiev. I absolutely never concealed the cheaper ways. So my posts always enabled the reader to choose his own preferences based on the factors most important to each individual monger.
Why did I choose to go into an explanation of the contentiousness that surrounds Rio and some of my posts? Because it became clear that newbies wouldn't understand the history of this dispute. Witness the honest question of Salbatorxxxx a recent poster on this thread, who is completely oblivious to the bullshitters and can't understand what all the fuss they are making is all about. I posted the above, to explain this to him and to other newbies similarly situated. Here's what he wrote:
I agree with the balance of his comments as well. The whole French thing on this thread was completely useless and a waste of time. And there is no hierarchy of what's the best mongering option in the abstract sense, because different mongers have different abilities, different goals, different circumstances, etc. So to each his own. Right on, Salbatorxxxx. You stated it correctly.
In an effort to get this thread back on track, I post the following link to my post on issues regarding using Mamba. Maybe it will generate some discussion on that topic that will provide helpful guidance for those wishing to visit Kiev for mongering. Getting contacts from mamba. Ru is one of the favored methods of finding inexpensive pussy in Kiev, so much more insight and attention should be paid to how to go about it. Here is the link to my thoughts and questions on the topic of mamba:
Developing a Strategy For Using Mamba For P4P:
[url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1317670&viewfull=1#post1317670[/url]
Happy Mongering.
LJ[/QUOTE]Of course I meant "old friend", master of Kiev and our man in Kiev. I have no doubght that you look younger than your 50ies. How are you my friend, when are you planning to visit Kiev?
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RB,
What makes you think these two are professional hookers?
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To Ronaldinjo
[QUOTE=Ronaldinjo;1327468]Of course I meant "old friend", master of Kiev and our man in Kiev. I have no doubght that you look younger than your 50ies. How are you my friend, when are you planning to visit Kiev?[/QUOTE]No Comment from me this time. On the advise of Liljoey.
I wouldn't comment even if (Dear Prosal) pops up here now.
Not in a postion to make coherent comments right now from my little corner in Laptoptistan situated in a lovely watering Hole.
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[QUOTE=Ronaldinjo;1327468]Of course I meant "old friend", master of Kiev and our man in Kiev. I have no doubght that you look younger than your 50ies. How are you my friend, when are you planning to visit Kiev?[/QUOTE]Dear Ronaldinjo, feel free to PM me if you just want to exchange pleasantries.
I think perhaps you are overdoing it, as I am not a master of Kiev by any means. Just a guy with basic intelligence who likes pretty girls, has no qualms about paying for it, and is happy to share my experiences and insights of how to go about getting high quality p4p pussy in a more or less convenient and guaranteed way during a short visit in Kiev.
Yet there are areas of mongering in Kiev in which I have not devoted sufficient time and effort to be regarded as a master. I have written numerous times that in the beginning of 2011, after satisfying myself that the prices of the p4p girls in the regular nightclubs were at a minimum of $300/2 hours, that I made the decision to abandon pursuing those too high priced pussies in the regular nightclubs, and focused my attentions for daytime action on the websites like mamba. Ru or top-modals. Com and on numbers of girls I had met the prior year at the River Palace, and for nighttime action, I favored Rio strip club over the regular nightclubs, because it was cheaper then and more convenient to find what I wanted.
However, I have also written that in 2012, I became cognizant of reports on this thread by some members I considered reliable, that the prices of the p4p girls in the regular nightclubs had come down to levels of $200/2 hours or lower, and thus the prices in some regular nightclubs had become lower than even Rio strip club, which is the lowest priced strip club. So I set myself the project of getting to the regular nightclubs on my upcoming trips, to see for myself what kind of girls it was possible to get at the regular nightclubs with reasonable convenience and certainty, and at what prices. This project of investigating and reporting on the possibilities of the regular nightclubs in Kiev, is a necessary element to developing a more complete and accurate picture of the p4p scene in Kiev, upon which more accurate advice and recommendations can be based.
I have been waiting throughout 2012, for any members to post detailed and descriptive reports of the action and p4p possibilities in the regular nightclubs, by any members visiting Kiev. But until the present, no such reporting has taken place. Some of the guys who visited Kiev during the summer said that the summer is not a nightclub scene time of year. Perhaps that's true of regular girls. But p4p girls have to go somewhere. So they must still be going. Nevertheless, no one, not even Cruiser D who recommended going to the regular nightclubs, has posted any action reports with details like prices asked / negotiated, looks levels of the girls, how many or what percent of the girls were available for p4p, only a few, or a lot of p4p girls at the club in question, etc. So we are functioning in a vacuum of information. I was thinking of investigating this further and busting that nut open, so that it could be reported here with personal knowledge.
That being said, I did not follow through on this project to investigate the possibilities of the regular nightclubs yet, even though I took an opportunity during the holiday weekend at the beginning of September to hop over to Kiev for a few nights, during what was supposed to be an FKK trip, essentially. I had planned to finally visit the vaunted Club Globe in Zurich (Schwerzenbach) Switzerland, to see for myself if the quality level was higher than the Frankfurt FKK's like Oase. And after my stopover in Zurich, I had planned to stop at Goldentime in Vienna, and back to Frankfurt for a jaunt through some of the clubs there. As my travel dates approached, however, I began to yearn for Kiev, and so at the last mInute I booked the flights to hop over to Kiev and give up those days in Frankfurt.
However, While in Kiev, instead of nightclubs, I ended up focussing on two girls I had met on mamba. Ru. They were both excellent and enjoyable and cost only $100 / hour. However, old habits die hard, so on one of my nights in Kiev I took out a duo from Rio which cost $300 each girl. And no, the lesson wasn't lost on me, regarding the difference in price. But like I said, old habits do die hard. In Rio I saw many spectacular looking girls. A few I knew from the past. Most were new faces.
An interesting phenomenon was the prevalence At Rio of the girls using the excuse of "I've got my women's period" so I can't go out with you. No less than three girls said that to me after I was sure we had great chemistry and was going to take her home. I asked one of the managers if it was like a bunch of rabbits who all get their periods together? Haha. I smelled something fishy. (pun intended) so when the third girl I had hit on said to me she couldn't go home with me because she had her period, I said to myself,"this is bullshit!" so I insisted (with a smile and charm of course) that, no, she is definitely coming home with me, and to her protestations that she had her period, I said, I don't care, I love it, and smiled and laughed. Anyway, she agreed to come home with me, and even as she was leaving to go get dressed, she was saying,"ok, but you know I have my period." Guess what? When I was going down on her, and when I was fucking her brains out, there was no period! It's an excuse they use.
What did I learn about using mamba. Ru? The other two girls I had sex with were from mamba. One of them, when I finally was discussing the time of our date, wrote that she never said that the profile photos were really her. So I said what does she look like, and she emailed me her photos. She is an attractive brunette with a nicely curved body. It turned out her photos were familiar to me from another profile I had been corresponding with for this trip. She finally admitted to me that she operates about four different profiles using pictures of other girls who are not available, or even known to her, and that she put her real pictures onto one profile but with a different name. So this is what many girls do. When you fall in love with certain profile pictures, it is in many cases, pictures of a different girl, and not the one you will meet. Since she was about to meet me, she decided to come clean and see if I liked her real photos. She was nice looking, with a good body, but not as pretty or hot as the photos of the other girls she was using as advertising bait. I'm not sorry I had sex with her. Just the opposite. Now that I know who she really is, I can't wait to get her in bed again. I did have to do some therapy on my head to get the other girls' pictures out of my head, but they were not real or available, so it was a fantasy.
Many girls will post fake photos and then on a different album in their profile, there will be one or two pictures which are actually them.
The second girl I met from mamba. Ru was exactly how she looked in her mamba profile pictures. In fact she looked better in person. She is a gorgeous blonde with a model face and hot little ass. She is a nightclub girl and admits to going in order to pick up men.
The p4p girls on mamba. Ru have various ways of making it obvious that they are available for p4p. Sometimes they write into the words at the top of the profile that they offer intimate meetings for $$$$. Sometimes they say they are looking for dating / relationship / friendship with men up to age 50 or age 60 or more. When the girl is in her 20's, it is a hint that she is looking to date older men for sponsorship or money. Sometimes, it isn't clear what they want because they have written so little. Just send a nice message and ask them if they are interested in meeting you, to please send their phone number and conditions. Asking for their conditions, is a very discreet and not obvious way, to ask what they want. You also have plausible deniability in case you don't want to say you wanted them for paid sex, since the words can be interpreted otherwise also. If they don't want money, they may ask what you want. Then you are free to say you want friendship and to enjoy their nice company. If they want money, they will to you.
There are a number of girls who write specifically on their profiles that they are not looking for sponsor, do not want money, do not provide sexual services, and are looking for true love and friendship. These girls have made it clear that they are not p4p girls. Also girls in the teens and early 20's who are seeking to find men up to age 25 or 30, are probably also just regular girls, and I usually just skip them because they have written in their profile that they want a man who is more age appropriate to their own age. There's no harm to send one nice message, or a "wink", just in case they do like your profile and want to respond. But don't pester such girls repeatedly, or she will block you, or worse complain and your profile might get blocked.
One other thing, it is important, although it is tedious, to make a copy of the name, Copies of their profile photos, phone numbers and prices of each girl you ate interested in and have corresponded enough with to get the phone number. You will be thankful you made the copy when they delete their profile. Deletion of profiles happens constantly. Within the two months leading up to a trip, half the girls whose contacts I had put into a specific folder for that trip, had deleted the profile. They delete and re- open a new profile with different pics constantly. Why? I don't know. It is frustrating. In order to copy their profile photos so I can use them later to decide who I want to invite over to my apartment from the various mamba contacts I have, and assuming the profile photos are true, I have been able to do it by copying a "screen shot" of the computer screen into a photo editing program and cropping it and saving it as a jpeg, or just leaving the screen shot as is, if I'm lazy. At least this way I have something to refer to about what they look like and who they are, even after they delete their profile.
Happy mongering,
LJ
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Anyone tried this girl from Gia?
I used Gia a few years ago and from all the girls they sent me, only one met my standards, I did probably 2 or 3 and sent back just as many. The girl are the ones in the photos, but the photos are too modified with Photoshop. Besides, they are quite expensive. Now I see this girl called Angelika at [url]http://gia.la/girl/angelika2[/url] And she looks very good to me, and offers the brown button, which I am crazy about. She is almost too good to be true. And you know how the saying goes. Anyone tried her?
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How about exchanging some info on chicks we tasted / tested?
I do a lot of fishing in Mamba and Top-Modals. Used to fish on SeekingArrangement but now they don't show many good targets. I already posted here a girl in Kiev that I thought it was very good, did anyone try her?
This other is also very good, I would say a solid 8, and she loves dick, but no anal and a little too sexually aggressive for my taste, I like more submissive. If you try her, give us your rating: [url]http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=555672221&hit=3[/url] Her name is Julie and the pics are accurate.
Can you guys also recommend? I will be happy to review more and give you their links.
BTW, I will be in Kiev for 10 days starting Sept 24 if someone wants to meet-up.
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[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1327835]I used Gia a few years ago and from all the girls they sent me, only one met my standards, I did probably 2 or 3 and sent back just as many. The girl are the ones in the photos, but the photos are too modified with Photoshop. Besides, they are quite expensive. Now I see this girl called Angelika at.
[url]http://gia.la/girl/angelika2[/url]
And she looks very good to me, and offers the brown button, which I am crazy about. She is almost too good to be true. And you know how the saying goes. Anyone tried her?[/QUOTE]Pedro,
I just know that gia changed the policy of pictures on their website.
Pictures of the girls can vary from very different years and there are. Obviously. A lot of massive photoshopped too.
But:
If you check "your desired girl": you will see a lot of natural and "private" pictures.
There is even one from Olmeca Beach in Kyiv. (pic #8)
I think this should match the reality.
Anyway: just try it. If she not match your desire: give her money for taksi and refuse
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Sponsoring on Mamba
Anybody have a general opinion as to weather sponsorship has been in decline or rise within Ukraine. Was Mamba better in years past? Now that I have come to appreciate the venue and the art involved to seduce, did I miss out on anything or is it as good as ever for the guys that really know how to use Mamba?
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Mr PedroToronja, thank you for sharing. If you pay the 20 $ I will send you some girls.
Anybody know if Dante is open and packed with tier 1 girls also during the autumn? Does everybody (every man) have to pay 200 gremlins to enter or just me and other fools who had to fork that up? Maybe it was 100 and I had to pay for the hoe who "invited" me?
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Rio
[QUOTE=LilJoey;1327812]An interesting phenomenon was the prevalence At Rio of the girls using the excuse of "I've got my women's period" so I can't go out with you. No less than three girls said that to me after I was sure we had great chemistry and was going to take her home. I asked one of the managers if it was like a bunch of rabbits who all get their periods together? Haha. I smelled something fishy. (pun intended) so when the third girl I had hit on said to me she couldn't go home with me because she had her period, I said to myself,"this is bullshit!" so I insisted (with a smile and charm of course) that, no, she is definitely coming home with me, and to her protestations that she had her period, I said, I don't care, I love it, and smiled and laughed. Anyway, she agreed to come home with me, and even as she was leaving to go get dressed, she was saying,"ok, but you know I have my period." Guess what? When I was going down on her, and when I was fucking her brains out, there was no period! It's an excuse they use.[/QUOTE]LJ,
I've always been an admirer of your advice and anecdotes and like most on this forum am grateful for your input. But you had me confused on this one. If the girl was making an excuse, why would you want to go with her if she wasn't reciprocating this possibility? In the past you have emphasised how important it is to build a rapport with the girl before utilising the option of take-out which isn't cheap. If there was a likelihood she wouldn't be into it, I'm just rather surprised you took her out regardless.
For what it's worth, I hope to be back in Kiev in a few weeks and intend to examine the club scene much more closely. I visited Rio previously and will probably do so again, purely because I like the atmosphere and it is next door to the apartment I have stayed in previously and the beer is relatively cheap. But I never really saw any 9 or 10 rated girls there (maybe except one that I can remember but she was far too tall for a short-arse like me) so will certainly be keen to explore other possibilities.
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Good report on Mamba
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1327812]Dear Ronaldinjo, feel free to PM me if you just want to exchange pleasantries.
I think perhaps you are overdoing it, as I am not a master of Kiev by any means. Just a guy with basic intelligence who likes pretty girls, has no qualms about paying for it, and is happy to share my experiences and insights of how to go about getting high quality p4p pussy in a more or less convenient and guaranteed way during a short visit in Kiev.
Happy mongering,
LJ[/QUOTE]I used and keep using Mamba and all LJ wrote is exactly my experience. The key is when they look for a man 50 or older, or just a man without specifying age. The Admins of Mamba are quite particular and strange. They do remove your photo and threaten to block you if you ask directly for sex. They don't want you to put your email address either and if girls ask openly for money for sex, they apparently also get blocked or their profiles deleted. That may be the reason why so many profiles (practically all) get deleted after a few months. Many girls refuse to write that they want money for sex, they say they discuss the details on the phone. Problem is, for me, I don't speak Russian. I write messages using Google Translate, and that is how I read what they say to me. I am going back in a week, and I already have 'dates' with some 15 girls from Mamba, some of them (at least their photos, which of course they swear are true) are solid 9s and 10s. No kidding.
I contacted 5 model agencies, of fashion photo, advertising. I asked for a model to accompany me on my 'business meetings' and dinner. I got 10 models proposed to me, with the worst being a 9. Incredible beauties. Cost is 400 Euros per model. No word of sex yet. I will ask about extending the company overnight, and (pray for me please) I will see what reaction I get, and share with you. I am ready and willing to cough 1K for any of those beauties if I get the full spectrum of what I expect (If I can fuck the shit out of them, in other words). Let's hope and pray.
Like LJ, I do copy and paste the photos, name, link to their profile in Mamba, phone number, etc. On my Outlook Calendar. Also my own evaluation of the girl and the services they offer (or do not offer, most are very emphatic about NO ANAL) , to my big disappointment. I do the same with the girls from Top-Modals, of which I selected 3 or 4 for this trip. Yes, I still have phone numbers from girls from River Palace. Ukraine is fucking paradise. Literary.
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Your Desired Girl?
[QUOTE=Kotik01; 1328006]Pedro,
I just know that gia changed the policy of pictures on their website.
Pictures of the girls can vary from very different years and there are. Obviously. A lot of massive photoshopped too.
But:
If you check "your desired girl": you will see a lot of natural and "private" pictures.
There is even one from Olmeca Beach in Kyiv. (pic #8)
I think this should match the reality.
Anyway: just try it. If she not match your desire: give her money for taksi and refuse[/QUOTE]Sorry, I am missing something. I want to try what you suggested, but I don't see a button or menu option for 'your desired girl', or a website with that name. Com. Ua or. Ua What do you mean?
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Rio Stunner?
[QUOTE=SexBomb123; 1328225]LJ,
For what it's worth, I hope to be back in Kiev in a few weeks and intend to examine the club scene much more closely. I visited Rio previously and will probably do so again, purely because I like the atmosphere and it is next door to the apartment I have stayed in previously and the beer is relatively cheap. But I never really saw any 9 or 10 rated girls there (maybe except one that I can remember but she was far too tall for a short-arse like me) so will certainly be keen to explore other possibilities.[/QUOTE]If the girl you refer to is, Was Blonde? Then I agree with you she was as close to a 10 as it gets.
Got Pasha the manager to ask her to come over to my table and she did, but she only spoke Russian so she said. I had to pass.
She was one of the most beautiful girls that I saw in Kiev.
She was very tall which suits me fine. .
Was working there in Nov. 09, but I didn't see her again.
Wonder if she is still working there?
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[QUOTE=Barba; 1327488]RB,
What makes you think these two are professional hookers?
B[/QUOTE]I was only guessing because they were straightforward about meeting for material support. Maybe there is the reason my Mamba profile suddenly was blocked. Never had this before, and don't understand Why Me? Why Now. Lost several contacts that will take days to find again on my new account. But I had no respons regarding those two
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Dining Suggestions in Kiev
I've been in Kiev for a couple of nights now and I'm starting to tire of the food. So far most almost everything I have tried doesn't cut the mustard. The cheap joints are horrible and the food generally inedible, and the expensive ones are only marginally better but they charge international fine dining prices. Thus far the most reliable has been McDonald's but there's no way I can eat there everyday. I know this is a bit off topic but I've got a few more days here, and I need some assistance here with some names of establishments you city regulars hit for a reliably good meal that doesn't cost a bomb. I'm staying in the city centre area right where independence square is located.
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[QUOTE=Roll Buzz;1328529]I was only guessing because they were straightforward about meeting for material support. Maybe there is the reason my Mamba profile suddenly was blocked. Never had this before, and don't understand Why Me? Why Now. Lost several contacts that will take days to find again on my new account. But I had no respons regarding those two[/QUOTE]RB, it happened to me also but I just wrote the admin and asked them to please unblock the profile. And they did, without even responding to my email.
B.
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[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1328272]I write messages using Google Translate, and that is how I read what they say to me. I am going back in a week, and I already have 'dates' with some 15 girls from Mamba, some of them (at least their photos, which of course they swear are true) are solid 9s and 10s.[/QUOTE]I try to find girls that know at least basic English and I try to spend some time with them on Skype / YM / MSN / FB / etc if they claim to not be hard core professionals. You just have to wiggle a bit and they will chat with you. Give them a reason and they will give you the time. Some do cam chat as well and at that stage you will be reassured how they look. To collect dates with Russian speaking girls from Mamba is a bit of a gamble IMHO, at least unless you get past the normal exchange of price, date and phone number. I find that many of the real girls have profiles that survive while many of the Russian speaking "girls", especially with generic template responses, are more often deleted. Time wash out the true ones from the fakes. The fake profiles, or rather the ones that I determine to be agencies, always dies within some weeks. Persistence is they key for me, on all dating sites, for all locations I visit. No one (except one or two "winners" here) ever said Ukraine was easy, but better to spend the time preparing than to spend the time in frustration when you are there and ready for action.
B.
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First Trip to Kiev
Will be going to Kiev next week. Any advice per PM would much appreciated. I prefer quality of quantity.
As it relates to hotels. Trying to decide between Intercon and Premier Palace?
Anyone want to meet up next week just PM me.
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[QUOTE=SexBomb123; 1328225]LJ,
I've always been an admirer of your advice and anecdotes and like most on this forum am grateful for your input. But you had me confused on this one. If the girl was making an excuse, why would you want to go with her if she wasn't reciprocating this possibility? In the past you have emphasised how important it is to build a rapport with the girl before utilising the option of take-out which isn't cheap. If there was a likelihood she wouldn't be into it, I'm just rather surprised you took her out regardless.
For what it's worth, I hope to be back in Kiev in a few weeks and intend to examine the club scene much more closely. I visited Rio previously and will probably do so again, purely because I like the atmosphere and it is next door to the apartment I have stayed in previously and the beer is relatively cheap. But I never really saw any 9 or 10 rated girls there (maybe except one that I can remember but she was far too tall for a short-arse like me) so will certainly be keen to explore other possibilities.[/QUOTE]Dear Sexbomb123,
To paraphrase your good question. Why continue to try to take out a girl who has told me she has her period, even if I suspect she does not have her period and is using that claim as an excuse? If she is using an excuse so as not to go out with me, isn't that proof she is not into me, that the chemistry and rapport are lacking, and that if I somehow manage to get her to go out finally, isn't she likely to be a bad date?
It's a fair question. The answer is that in the instances where I persevered to take the girl out, I felt there was definitely chemistry, based on the interaction with the girl up until that point. I knew the girl liked me. There was no mistaking that part based upon our conversation and rapport and the behavior in the private dances. So her refusal to go out and giving the excuse of having her period was accepted by me as truthful at first, because my assumption was that she would want to go out with me if she could. But I handing the back of my mind, the fact that one of my first favoritas at Rio over a year and a half ago, had also claimed to have her period at first, and then changed her mind and came out with me, and we had one of my best sessions ever. And in the course of the session it was obvious she never had her period, and had just said it as an excuse. So after a third girl said it to me on a recent visit, I decided that it was not a true excuse, but that something else was going on. For example, the first girl who said it to me on my recent visit was Tory. Tory is a spectacular looking girl I met last year when she danced in the VIP. She has jet black hair and is a true hard body, with incredible cut musculature in her torso, which I find very sexy. She has a pretty face too, as well as a cute ass. She had agreed then last year to go out with me, but I had never been able to take her because I had other girls I was interested in before her. When I saw her at first this last visit, she was busy with another customer, but she broke free for a short time to cOme over and say hello. It was immediately evident that she was very happy to see me, the electricity was palpable, and the chemistry was definitely there. I am not a delusional patsy. Anyway, she was busy that night. I made up with her that I would come see her the next night and we would finally haven our date. She agreed wholeheartedly. I didn't end up taking anyone out of Rio that night, having just finished an excellent session with a $100 / hour mamba girl before coming to the Rio club. But the next night when I returned, I had intended to take out Tory, at long last. She came over to me, and we had a nice chat, but then she told me she could not go out with me that night. I believed her at that moment when she said she had her period. I am puzzled now in afterthought as to why she made such an excuse, when I now believe that was all it was. But I am absolutely certain that if and when Tory comes out with me sometime in the future, the sex will be scorching hot. I really like the girl, and I just feel it in my gut that she likes me.
So I guess the answer to your question is that it depends on the situation. In general, your warning of a possible bad session up ahead should be taken as a serious possibility. But to that I add that one can override that concern with gut intuition about the chemistry with a girl, in a suitable case. I have done so several times, and have not been disappointed with the girl afterward.
Perhaps some girls have hesitations and are nervous about going out in general. When you persevere and keep trying to get them to come out with you, you somehow prove to them that you really are nuts about them. That seems to make a difference to them.
When I asked the girl I mentioned above that I met a year and a half ago, why she refused me at first, and then later in the private dance, she changed her mind and agreed to come out with me, her answer was, that during the private dance she saw that I really wanted her (as if my huge erection could leave her any doubt about that. LOL.) I guess she needed the reassurance of seeing how much I responded to her. I also think I turned her on with some of the stuff I did to her in the private dance too, and perhaps that was a factor too. Anyway, the memory of her refusal at first, and the awesome date that followed (I have dated her many times since then) was in my mind.
So I knew the possibilities, and trusted in my gut intuition that it would be good with a girl, even if she gave me an excuse at first. With a girl I didn't know enough to have the basis for any gut intuition feeling about her, I probably would not have taken a chance on her, to persevere and try to get her to go out, for the concerns that you mentioned.
In general, with EE women, I believe the experts will confirm, they like to refuse you, they get off on it, and the more times you ask them undeterred, you increase your chances. If you ask them 10 times, they feel very complimented, and may just say yes. So I think that factor that applies to EE women in general, also plays a role when trying to woo a young stripper to come out with you for a sexy date.
LJ
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Straight From The Horse
[QUOTE=Hectorgonz;1328568]I've been in Kiev for a couple of nights now and I'm starting to tire of the food. So far most almost everything I have tried doesn't cut the mustard. The cheap joints are horrible and the food generally inedible, and the expensive ones are only marginally better but they charge international fine dining prices. Thus far the most reliable has been McDonald's but there's no way I can eat there everyday. I know this is a bit off topic but I've got a few more days here, and I need some assistance here with some names of establishments you city regulars hit for a reliably good meal that doesn't cost a bomb. I'm staying in the city centre area right where independence square is located.[/QUOTE]In a nutshell the food in most of Eastern Europe including Kiev is plain crap and the the better ones are expensive for what they are. .
I understand where you are coming from, but if you are staying near independence square here is onw which might suit you, Krym restaurant off independence square.
"A good Tartar restaurant'
5 of 5 stars Reviewed 4 August 2011.
1.
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If you're looking to try different kinds of food while in Kiev, definitely check out Krym. Located right off of Maidan, there is a fairly large menu with a good selection. I personally loved the laghman (a meat stew with noodles). I've had better chak-chak before, although that was in a Tartar village in Crimea so I suppose I can't quite hold Krym to such high standards."
This was one review from many on [url]www.tripadvisor.com[/url] On Kiev restaurants.
I have been there few times and if you read the menu and choose carefully the food and drinks are very good. And reasonable.
If you go down the escalators by the side of this restaurant you will find many international food stalls in the underpass with seating areas. Turkish, Chinese, Noodle Bars, Etc. Some are good and very resonable.
If you have a date and want good fresh seafood in a nice restaurant, head to Xata Rabata on the other side of the Dnipro River. About 70 uah return by taxi. .
Georgian and Greek Restaurants near the centre are good as well.
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Straight From The Horse
[QUOTE=Hectorgonz;1328568]I've been in Kiev for a couple of nights now and I'm starting to tire of the food. So far most almost everything I have tried doesn't cut the mustard. The cheap joints are horrible and the food generally inedible, and the expensive ones are only marginally better but they charge international fine dining prices. Thus far the most reliable has been McDonald's but there's no way I can eat there everyday. I know this is a bit off topic but I've got a few more days here, and I need some assistance here with some names of establishments you city regulars hit for a reliably good meal that doesn't cost a bomb. I'm staying in the city centre area right where independence square is located.[/QUOTE]In a nutshell the food in most of Eastern Europe including Kiev is plain crap and the the better ones are expensive for what they are.
I understand where you are coming from, but if you are staying near independence square here is onw which might suit you, Krym restaurant off independence square.
"A good Tartar restaurant'
5 of 5 stars Reviewed 4 August 2011.
1. If you're looking to try different kinds of food while in Kiev, definitely check out Krym. Located right off of Maidan, there is a fairly large menu with a good selection. I personally loved the laghman (a meat stew with noodles). I've had better chak-chak before, although that was in a Tartar village in Crimea so I suppose I can't quite hold Krym to such high standards."
This was one review from many on [url]www.tripadvisor.com[/url] On Kiev restaurants.
I have been there few times and if you read the menu and choose carefully the food and drinks are very good. And reasonable.
If you go down the escalators by the side of this restaurant you will find many international food stalls in the underpass with seating areas. Turkish, Chinese, Noodle Bars, Etc. Some are good and very resonable.
If you have a date and want good fresh seafood in a nice restaurant, head to Xata Rabata on the other side of the Dnipro River. About 70 uah return by taxi. .
Georgian and Greek Restaurants near the centre are good as well.
Here is Krym Restaurant review and directions on Lonely Planet Kiev.
[url]http://www.lonelyplanet.com/ukraine/kyiv/restaurants/central-asian/krym.[/url]
Use Lonely Planet and [url]wwww.tripadvisor.com[/url] Online to look up restaurants. They take care reviewing restaurants and clubs.
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Your choices here.
[QUOTE=Hectorgonz;1328568]I've been in Kiev for a couple of nights now and I'm starting to tire of the food. So far most almost everything I have tried doesn't cut the mustard. The cheap joints are horrible and the food generally inedible, and the expensive ones are only marginally better but they charge international fine dining prices. Thus far the most reliable has been McDonald's but there's no way I can eat there everyday. I know this is a bit off topic but I've got a few more days here, and I need some assistance here with some names of establishments you city regulars hit for a reliably good meal that doesn't cost a bomb. I'm staying in the city centre area right where independence square is located.[/QUOTE]More choices on here with directions.
[url]http://www.inyourpocket.com/ukraine/kyiv/restaurants-cafes.[/url]
Fee free to post on your foodie experinces there after you taste the goodies.
It would be very useful.
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An Uzbek in Kiev,
[QUOTE=Hectorgonz;1328568]I've been in Kiev for a couple of nights now and I'm starting to tire of the food. So far most almost everything I have tried doesn't cut the mustard. The cheap joints are horrible and the food generally inedible, and the expensive ones are only marginally better but they charge international fine dining prices. Thus far the most reliable has been McDonald's but there's no way I can eat there everyday. I know this is a bit off topic but I've got a few more days here, and I need some assistance here with some names of establishments you city regulars hit for a reliably good meal that doesn't cost a bomb. I'm staying in the city centre area right where independence square is located.[/QUOTE]Just fished out this one an Uzbek Restaurnat. Good deal lunch time and at night a Belly Dancer. Sounds good to take a date there as well.
If not for you, then very useful for (Dear Prosal) , albiet no Frogs Legs on the menu. .
Pro, the things I go out of my way to do for you. You Old French Git, ha, ha.
"Karavan.
Walking through the door, we felt as if we were suddenly transported to central Asia. Everyone is wearing Uzbek traditional costumes and if you wish, you can buy one for yourself or purchase one of the handmade dishes or other gifts. The cuisine is Uzbek and some Moroccan and the restaurant holds a Halal Certificate. Much of the food & ingredients are imported and there is an open grill which gives that special aroma that carries throughout the restaurant. Everyone was supper friendly and spoke English as did the menu. An average meal costs around 350Hr. There is a business lunch weekdays from 12:00-16:00 for just 85Hr. On Friday & Saturday there is the 'chef's special' – something the chef offers that's not on the menu for 180Hr. There are TV monitors set up for football and there is a belly dancer from 20:00 daily except Monday & Tuesday.
Credit Cards Wi-fi Live Music Smoking place Non-smoking Air-conditioning Breakfast.
Open:
Open 12:00-00:00, Fri, Sat 08:00-02:00.
Address:
Klovskiy Uzviz 10.
Phone:
(+380) 67 502 65 26.
[url]www:[/url]
[url]http://www.2k.ua[/url]
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[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1328394]If the girl you refer to is, Was Blonde? Then I agree with you she was as close to a 10 as it gets.
Got Pasha the manager to ask her to come over to my table and she did, but she only spoke Russian so she said. I had to pass.
She was one of the most beautiful girls that I saw in Kiev.
She was very tall which suits me fine. .
Was working there in Nov. 09, but I didn't see her again.
Wonder if she is still working there?[/QUOTE]Hi Jojosun,
Going back to November of 2009, is quite a large bit of time in a strip club with a high rate of dancer turn over like Rio. If it's a blonde girl who was extremely pretty and awesome body that you are rembering, there are two names that come to mind. Both were my pleasure to meet at the end of 2010 and beginning of 2011. The first was named Taya. She wAs tall, blonde and awesome looking, like a cover girl model type. She spoke some English though. The second girl I thought of from those times was named Rosa, who had dirty blonde colored hair, a very good body and sexy way of dancing, and a particularly beautiful, finely featured face. She too spoke some English though. Both these girls no longer work at Rio for quite some time. Since they spoke a little English, I'm not sure if either of these were your fantasy girl of November 2009. I hadn't started going to Rio at that time yet, and was still happy with the offerings of River Palace and top-modals. Com at the time. And when I started going to Rio at the end of 2010, I too only took interest in girls who spoke English.
However, since then I have used Google Translate successfully, to date girls who don't speak English, as long as they are happy to communicate with me by writing back and forth to supplement my very few words of Russian. If the girl is patient and good natured it works out fine. This can help with any girl who shows up at your door from one of the low cost websites also. Simply sit her down together with you in front of your laptop, and try to get a conversation going. It breaks the ice, and can help get things going until you reach the point where you ask her in writing if she would like to go take a shower. I also bring the laptop to the bedroom and have it on my nightstand just in case the need arises to say or ask something while we are in bed together. Don't let language barrier prevent you from having sex with a pretty, but non English speaking girl.
LJ
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[QUOTE=LilJoey;1328671]trying to woo a young stripper[/QUOTE]In my experience, many strippers in FSU are just girls with honest feelings, emotions, goals and reactions. With them, you need to develop other skills than the simple fact of having money. Intelligence, empathy, charm, witt, cultural knowledge, ect come to mind.
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[QUOTE=Defender; 1328649]Will be going to Kiev next week. Any advice per PM would much appreciated. I prefer quality of quantity.
As it relates to hotels. Trying to decide between Intercon and Premier Palace?
Anyone want to meet up next week just PM me.[/QUOTE]
Quality can be found anywhere in Kiev. Before you go and if you got some game go for semi pros,"normal girls" at tg site.
As for escort coming to your rom I would suggest GIA.
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[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1328818]In a nutshell the food in most of Eastern Europe including Kiev is plain crap and the the better ones are expensive for what they are.
I understand where you are coming from, but if you are staying near independence square here is onw which might suit you, Krym restaurant off independence square.
"A good Tartar restaurant'
5 of 5 stars Reviewed 4 August 2011.
1. If you're looking to try different kinds of food while in Kiev, definitely check out Krym. Located right off of Maidan, there is a fairly large menu with a good selection. I personally loved the laghman (a meat stew with noodles). I've had better chak-chak before, although that was in a Tartar village in Crimea so I suppose I can't quite hold Krym to such high standards."
This was one review from many on.
[url]www.tripadvisor.com[/url]
On Kiev restaurants.
I have been there few times and if you read the menu and choose carefully the food and drinks are very good. And reasonable.
If you go down the escalators by the side of this restaurant you will find many international food stalls in the underpass with seating areas. Turkish, Chinese, Noodle Bars, Etc. Some are good and very resonable.
If you have a date and want good fresh seafood in a nice restaurant, head to Xata Rabata on the other side of the Dnipro River. About 70 uah return by taxi. .
Georgian and Greek Restaurants near the centre are good as well.
Here is Krym Restaurant review and directions on Lonely Planet Kiev.
[url]http://www.lonelyplanet.com/ukraine/kyiv/restaurants/central-asian/krym.[/url]
Use Lonely Planet and.
[url]wwww.tripadvisor.com[/url]
Online to look up restaurants. They take care reviewing restaurants and clubs.[/QUOTE]Jojosun,
Thanks for the tips. If my stomach isn't happy my pecker won't be a happy camper as well.
I'm only just beginning to figure this city out from a culinary perspective. I experienced a couple of shock days to my budget and taste buds initially, but I discovered the restaurant reviews section of tripadvisor today, and the one restaurant I tried (Walter's) was a welcome change for the pleasant, thankfully. I'm going to take note of what and where I ate so I build a database of where, and where not to go, for future visits.
H.
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[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1328394]If the girl you refer to is, Was Blonde? Then I agree with you she was as close to a 10 as it gets.
Got Pasha the manager to ask her to come over to my table and she did, but she only spoke Russian so she said. I had to pass.
She was one of the most beautiful girls that I saw in Kiev.
She was very tall which suits me fine. .
Was working there in Nov. 09, but I didn't see her again.
Wonder if she is still working there?[/QUOTE]Hi Jojo,
The girl was definitely a brunette and in her heels, easily 6 foot 4. What stood out for me whilst she danced on stage was her ample breasts. I'm not sure who the manager was, maybe Sergey (?) but he allowed me to take a private dance with her which I did enjoy greatly. I could sense the girl was tired though, (it was around 3am) as was I having spent the evening watching Dynamo Kyiv so I opted not to try and take out. Her body was awesome. Immensely tight with breasts which must have been D+ cup.
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Mamba blocked
[QUOTE=Barba; 1328623]RB, it happened to me also but I just wrote the admin and asked them to please unblock the profile. And they did, without even responding to my email.
B.[/QUOTE]This happen to me too. The reason? Don't know, maybe because telephone numbers exchanges which seems to be nogt allowed and Administrators are checking this or maybe because I was to direct requesting how much money for se? Any way I don't know the reason and I requested also to Administrator an explanation but until now no response. What can I do? A new account and loose all my contacts?
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Straight From The Horse
[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1328818]In a nutshell the food in most of Eastern Europe including Kiev is plain crap and the the better ones are expensive for what they are.
I understand where you are coming from, but if you are staying near independence square here is onw which might suit you, Krym restaurant off independence square.
"A good Tartar restaurant'
5 of 5 stars Reviewed 4 August 2011.
1. If you're looking to try different kinds of food while in Kiev, definitely check out Krym. Located right off of Maidan, there is a fairly large menu with a good selection. I personally loved the laghman (a meat stew with noodles). I've had better chak-chak before, although that was in a Tartar village in Crimea so I suppose I can't quite hold Krym to such high standards."
This was one review from many on.
[url]www.tripadvisor.com[/url]
On Kiev restaurants.
I have been there few times and if you read the menu and choose carefully the food and drinks are very good. And reasonable.[/QUOTE]Sorry I had to repost again. Its all in the the title which means what it means.
Some words were missing in the title of the posts below.
The reason for the clarifiation because, the last thing I want to read is a Fucking Lecture on Political Correctness given to me by a dickhead.
Just realized that a combination of Tatars and Horses might give a different meaning to the title of my post.
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[QUOTE=Hectorgonz;1328568]I've been in Kiev for a couple of nights now and I'm starting to tire of the food. So far most almost everything I have tried doesn't cut the mustard. The cheap joints are horrible and the food generally inedible, and the expensive ones are only marginally better but they charge international fine dining prices. Thus far the most reliable has been McDonald's but there's no way I can eat there everyday. I know this is a bit off topic but I've got a few more days here, and I need some assistance here with some names of establishments you city regulars hit for a reliably good meal that doesn't cost a bomb. I'm staying in the city centre area right where independence square is located.[/QUOTE]If you like good meat I would suggest this [url]http://beef.kiev.ua/en/Meat/about-cobe/[/url]
A nice place for good meal in Kiev.
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Checking references before taking Viagra
It happened. I get ready, $20 pill one hour before meeting, girl that shows at my door is not even a bad copy of a bad copy of the girl I saw on the website. So not to get stuck, if anyone had any experience with the following, please let me know. I promise to provide feedback afterwards for the benefit of the good people of this Community. If nothing else, enjoy your eyes, but please do not rush to visit with them before I get there this weekend, or I may not find them virgins anymore!
[url]http://www.top-modals.com/?id=5644#f5[/url]
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[url]http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=943508399&hit=3[/url]
[url]http://mamba.ru/Lenchik200810[/url]
[url]http://mamba.ru/sexsimvolmambu?afolder=album_photos&album_id=766287947&[/url]#closed.
[url]http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=966520047&hit=10&fromsearch&sp=24[/url]
[url]http://mamba.ru/zajegalo4ka?afolder=album_photos&album_id=562807915&[/url]#closed
I appreciate your info on any of them. Thanks!
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Kyiv in 3 days.
In Kiev for 1-2 weeks leaving this weekend. Bought some sick penthouse 3 bedroom with jacuzzi close to it all.
Also have some sexy Svetlana who speaks perfect english showing me the real Kyiv probably moving in with me.
This country and how there minds reallly intrigue me. Well anyway I'm excited to see how this pans out for me, Sveta is bringing all her girlfirends over ever night before we go out. She wants to hook me up with them, yet wants to smash me as well.
Interesting how this acquaintance came about to. I was trying to get her friend Liuba but she's in turkey for the week so she hooks me up with her hot friend.
Well gents, I plan on having a dozen EE sluts in my penthouse all week. Can't wait. All this dam oil money needs to be spent on some good times!
Anyone here of the massage parlor? I forget the name. Its probably on my work pc but they have a hole menu for errotic massages, lesbian massages. Cheap.
Ill deff be hitting all the underground and top clubs, probably everything with vodka, I'm a soddin alchoholic horndog. So I assure you I will keep this HOLY forum we have created in the loop.
MAMBA NOTES! Yes works for quit times of desperation. Try haggling! You can get for 50-60 USD easily.
If your planning a trip! Hit up these dam marriage agencies. YES probably not entirely what your looking for but these women are real its a cheap way to get ahold of a weekend sex doll for free!
Slightly annoyed lenny kravitz cancelled his tour there, bound to be a fishbowl of targets.
Till then chaps watch BBC news for tourist in Kiev killed and left in ice chest.
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Defender
[QUOTE=Defender; 1328649]Will be going to Kiev next week. Any advice per PM would much appreciated. I prefer quality of quantity.
As it relates to hotels. Trying to decide between Intercon and Premier Palace?
Anyone want to meet up next week just PM me.[/QUOTE]If your a young man under 30 I could possibly have some. Prime candidates to hook you up with.
My girl Sveta is sad I travel alone, she has so many gf's that want "nice" handsome men.)
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[QUOTE=Sponsor74;1328978]This happen to me too. The reason? Don't know, maybe because telephone numbers exchanges which seems to be nogt allowed and Administrators are checking this or maybe because I was to direct requesting how much money for se? Any way I don't know the reason and I requested also to Administrator an explanation but until now no response. What can I do? A new account and loose all my contacts?[/QUOTE]Hey, Barba's advice worked, after ca. Two days the profile was unblocked and all my correspondance was there again. My big luck, one more time. But remember to update the little black book, too, and regularly, or whatever system you got. Reason for blocking can only be unhappy girl. There is this button they can use: block user, and it has fatal consequenses for your profile and all your correspondance. So be polite to the girls here, as always.
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[QUOTE=Tomux 22; 1329030]If you like good meat I would suggest this.
[url]http://beef.kiev.ua/en/Meat/about-cobe/[/url]
A nice place for good meal in Kiev.[/QUOTE]Ouch. I'm not stingy, but some 38 € for a Filet Mignon and 62 € for a Chateaubriand isn't cheap, especially when you talk about hormones-loaded US beef. I wonder what is the price for Kobe beef.
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Culinary parenthesis
[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1328836]Just fished out this one an Uzbek Restaurnat. Good deal lunch time and at night a Belly Dancer. Sounds good to take a date there as well.
If not for you, then very useful for (Dear Prosal) , albiet no Frogs Legs on the menu. .
Pro, the things I go out of my way to do for you. You Old French Git, ha, ha.
"Karavan.
Walking through the door, we felt as if we were suddenly transported to central Asia. Everyone is wearing Uzbek traditional costumes and if you wish, you can buy one for yourself or purchase one of the handmade dishes or other gifts. The cuisine is Uzbek and some Moroccan and the restaurant holds a Halal Certificate. Much of the food & ingredients are imported and there is an open grill which gives that special aroma that carries throughout the restaurant. Everyone was supper friendly and spoke English as did the menu. An average meal costs around 350Hr. There is a business lunch weekdays from 12:00-16:00 for just 85Hr. On Friday & Saturday there is the 'chef's special' – something the chef offers that's not on the menu for 180Hr. There are TV monitors set up for football and there is a belly dancer from 20:00 daily except Monday & Tuesday.
Credit Cards Wi-fi Live Music Smoking place Non-smoking Air-conditioning Breakfast.
Open:
Open 12:00-00:00, Fri, Sat 08:00-02:00.
Address:
Klovskiy Uzviz 10.
Phone:
(+380) 67 502 65 26.
[url]www:[/url]
[url]http://www.2k.ua[/url][/QUOTE]Spasibo, it's very nice from you indeed, I thought your culinary tastes were limited to fish and chips (smilie). Anyway Karavan is the best uzbek cuisine restaurant in Tashkent, where I like to take my dates. It belongs to a group which has also a (great) georgian venue, a pub / brewery, a japonese venue, ect, all very good. I doubt that the Kiev venue is a branch of the group though. Also, prices might not be the same, a large portion of Plov (the national dish) , enough for two, costing about 5 € in Tashkent, and a plate of shashliks, still for two persons, some 4 €.
[url]http://caravan.caravangroup.uz/rus[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mx1CQL8DJo&feature=related[/url]
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Re Rio Stunner.
[QUOTE=SexBomb123; 1328974]Hi Jojo,
The girl was definitely a brunette and in her heels, easily 6 foot 4. What stood out for me whilst she danced on stage was her ample breasts. I'm not sure who the manager was, maybe Sergey (?) but he allowed me to take a private dance with her which I did enjoy greatly. I could sense the girl was tired though, (it was around 3am) as was I having spent the evening watching Dynamo Kyiv so I opted not to try and take out. Her body was awesome. Immensely tight with breasts which must have been D+ cup.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply. She sounds very similar to a girl who was dancing at Tixi omut Strip Club on the other side of the Dnipro.
Will check her out on my next visit. I would be interested to hear a second opinion on her by my wingwoman.
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[QUOTE=Prosal;1329143]Ouch. I'm not stingy, but some 38 € for a Filet Mignon and 62 € for a Chateaubriand isn't cheap, especially when you talk about hormones-loaded US beef. I wonder what is the price for Kobe beef.[/QUOTE]Yes I agree it is not cheap and not a place I go to everyday. But its the only place I know in Kiev where they serve proper beef.
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Don
[QUOTE=MattNDBoy; 1329067]In Kiev for 1-2 weeks leaving this weekend. Bought some sick penthouse 3 bedroom with jacuzzi close to it all.
A.
Slightly annoyed lenny kravitz cancelled his tour there, bound to be a fishbowl of targets.
Till then chaps watch BBC news for tourist in Kiev killed and left in ice chest.[/QUOTE]I will be in Kyiv same time as you. Hope to meet up. U have too many cuties to take care by yourself and I feel sorry for you, I need to lighten your load (actually, that sound horribly gay, that is not what I meant! Delete delete delete) , meaning of course that I have to take care of some of the poor chicks you won't be able to get to. Lets touch base, tits, pussies and asses!
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Haha. Sorry, misunderstanding. I meant:
This girl you have choosen from GIA page. That "Angelika"
[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1328275]Sorry, I am missing something. I want to try what you suggested, but I don't see a button or menu option for 'your desired girl', or a website with that name. Com. Ua or. Ua What do you mean?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Sponsor74;1328978]This happen to me too. The reason? Don't know, maybe because telephone numbers exchanges which seems to be nogt allowed and Administrators are checking this or maybe because I was to direct requesting how much money for se? Any way I don't know the reason and I requested also to Administrator an explanation but until now no response. What can I do? A new account and loose all my contacts?[/QUOTE]I exchanged many phone numbers on Flirt / Mamba, so I do not think it is that. Do you have a fake picture and told someone so they maybe reported yup to the moderators?
I have fake picture and my profile was closed because of that but I wold them "I did nothing wrong. I followed the guidelines. Bla bla bla." And then they opened the profile again. The fake pic was gone, so I had to upload another fake pic.
B.
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Yep, fake
[QUOTE=Barba; 1329435]I exchanged many phone numbers on Flirt / Mamba, so I do not think it is that. Do you have a fake picture and told someone so they maybe reported yup to the moderators?
I have fake picture and my profile was closed because of that but I wold them "I did nothing wrong. I followed the guidelines. Bla bla bla." And then they opened the profile again. The fake pic was gone, so I had to upload another fake pic.
B.[/QUOTE]Same with me, uploaded fake photos until one stuck, and there it is.
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These profiles
All the mamba profiles chosen are fake or salons.
No individual!
If you want student girls. Search not for nude penthouse fotos in the profile.
There is good salons though / so happy times.
If they give you the number, you can normally just google up the number.
And then see who they are in the web.
[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1329060]It happened. I get ready, $20 pill one hour before meeting, girl that shows at my door is not even a bad copy of a bad copy of the girl I saw on the website. So not to get stuck, if anyone had any experience with the following, please let me know. I promise to provide feedback afterwards for the benefit of the good people of this Community. If nothing else, enjoy your eyes, but please do not rush to visit with them before I get there this weekend, or I may not find them virgins anymore!
[url]http://www.top-modals.com/?id=5644#f5[/url]
[url]http://www.top-modals.com/?id=6301#f2[/url]
[url]http://www.top-modals.com/?id=4590#f2[/url]
[url]http://www.top-modals.com/?id=6003[/url]
[url]http://www.top-modals.com/?id=5498[/url]
[url]http://www.top-modals.com/?id=5916#f3[/url]
[url]http://www.top-modals.com/?id=6122[/url]
[url]http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=943508399&hit=3[/url]
[url]http://mamba.ru/Lenchik200810[/url]
[url]http://mamba.ru/sexsimvolmambu?afolder=album_photos&album_id=766287947&[/url]
#closed.
[url]http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=966520047&hit=10&fromsearch&sp=24[/url]
[url]http://mamba.ru/zajegalo4ka?afolder=album_photos&album_id=562807915&[/url]
#closed
I appreciate your info on any of them. Thanks![/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Tomux 22;1329349]Yes I agree it is not cheap and not a place I go to everyday. But its the only place I know in Kiev where they serve proper beef.[/QUOTE]By the way I can't believe that their Grave 2008 (Bordeaux) costs some 55 €. In Paris it costs 4/5 € in stores, and at max 18/20 € in restaurants!
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Taya?
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1328855]Hi Jojosun,
Going back to November of 2009, is quite a large bit of time in a strip club with a high rate of dancer turn over like Rio. If it's a blonde girl who was extremely pretty and awesome body that you are rembering, there are two names that come to mind. Both were my pleasure to meet at the end of 2010 and beginning of 2011. The first was named Taya. She wAs tall, blonde and awesome looking, like a cover girl model type. She spoke some English though. The second girl I thought of from those times was named Rosa, who had dirty blonde colored hair, a very good body and sexy way of dancing, and a particularly beautiful, finely featured face. She too spoke some English though. Both these girls no longer work at Rio for quite some time. Since they spoke a little English, I'm not sure if either of these were your fantasy girl of November 2009. I hadn't started going to Rio at that time yet, and was still happy with the offerings of River Palace and top-modals. Com at the time. And when I started going to Rio at the end of 2010, I too only took interest in girls who spoke English.
LJ[/QUOTE]Hi Lj.
The beautiful very tall girl was like a "Cover Girl" and sounds like Taya the first girl you refer to. But the weird thing is, she came over to my table and the first thing she said "Only Russian ", and when I replied "No Problem " she just walked away.
Perhaps got her lost in her translation of what I said which was without a cumma after No, and without a Droll after the No, dunno.
Maybe it was an excuse or something, like the other tall brunette telling me "maybe at 5 am".
Now you tell me some girls tell you "Its their Period " as an excuse.
It doesn't bother me at all, as I have no intention of taking out a girl from there. .
I say it again, Rio does have a nicer atmosphere than the other strip clubs in Kiev and no hassle there to buy Private Dances or drinks.
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kiev speed dating.
anybody know anything about the speed dating invitations that occasionally pop on mamba? anything positive to be had? any inherent scams?
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Kiev
I'm here right now, thanks to a fellow monger who I been hanging out with I have able to down bargain to $200 US for 6-7 quality girl from Mamba for a full day and night. Last night D'Lux was not too busy but there some real stunners asking for too much money. I will post a full report when I return but if anybody wants to meet up let me know as I leave on Tuesday.
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kiev speed dating.
[quote=climaxnow;1329598]anybody know anything about the speed dating invitations that occasionally pop on mamba? anything positive to be had? any inherent scams?[/quote].
i posted on this some time ago.
here it is, albeit nearly 3 years ago, but i don't think much has changed since then.
here is the article in full straight from the horse's mouth in kiev post.
"speed dating and agencies help find your perfect match.
oct. 8,2009, 8:41 pm | about kyiv — by alexandra matoshko.
in a big and friendly city like kyiv, meeting members of the opposite sex should be easy. however, for those who spend their days in offices and the weekends in noisy bars, finding the right partner is not always that simple. people are often too shy to make the first step. or they fear being rejected. and if locals face such difficulties, it's even more complicated for 'expats, ' the foreign expatriates still getting to know the city, many without benefit of speaking either russian or ukrainian well.
these language and cultural barriers add another layer of misunderstanding between the sexes. luckily, in modern-day ukraine, there are many ways of finding a date or a partner. but all require some degree of boldness.
in one way or the other, you have to 'put yourself out there. '
speed dating.
a popular matchmaking method for busy working people in the west for 10 years now, speed dating is finally coming to ukraine. it was invented by rabbi yaacov deyo of aish hatorah (jewish orthodox ashkenazi organization) in california in 1998 as a way for jewish singles to meet and marry. but speed dating quickly became fashionable.
it involves a gathering with an equal number of men and women registered for an event. they meet each other through short conversations and rotate among the tables. dates last up to 10 minutes before the organizer signals it's time to swap tables. the organizers also provide the contacts among interested parties, if a promising match emerges.
speed dating is also a good business, since the company setting up the event charges participants for registration. thus far, however, speed dating has not really taken off in kyiv.
the latest attempt is 2play (2play. net. ua) project holding speed dating parties at barsky (2/5 chervonoarmiyska, arena entertainment complex. 7th floor ). targeting busy working people, the company offers weekly events – mostly on fridays or weekends, for the price of hr 200 per person. at the end, participants inform the organizers of their preferences and e-mails are sent to likely matches. the meetings are regulated by age range, currently 25-to-40 years old. since the majority of participants are supposed to be successful career men and women, many speak at least some english. and to ensure only the right kind of people are allowed to participate, the registered candidates are required to meet with the 2play representative before the event. next speed dating parties at barsky are scheduled for oct. 10 and oct. 23. to register, write to 2startsmart@gmail.com or call 38068-128-2398.
another speed dating service is offered by bonapart company (sd. bonaparte. com. ua.). here the rules are similar: up to 10 men and 10 women take part, and each date lasts for seven minutes. to participate in their activities, you need to fill out the online form and wait to be contacted by organizers. bonapart doesn't offer pre-scheduled events, but holds one when there are enough men and women willing to participate. the only way to find out is to register and wait. the admission to the event is hr 150. for details, call 38095-842-1290.
pro matchmakers.
everyone who ever tried looking for dates online knows what a tricky business it is. in their profiles, people only share the info they want to share. and, only your intuition can tell you if everything they say, as well as their photographs, are real or fake. for this reason, people seriously looking for a partner use websites run by professionals (or so they call themselves) , who do checkups on people and help the customer connect to a promising partner. of course, you'll usually have to pay for this luxury.
unfortunately, such dating services in ukraine are rather one-sided. dating clubs and marriage agencies mainly target foreign men looking for ukrainian women, not the other way around. and the choice of such services is rather immense, so here are just a few colorful examples of what kind of websites there are.
love lab ([url]www.lovelab.com.ua[/url]) is ran by an individual who calls himself andre moneylove – a photographer, businessman and certainly a profound personality, judging by the life interests he lists on his facebook profile: women, money, success. his website is designed as a western-type dating site and is done entirely in english, though the registration form is available in three languages – english, french and russian. gentlemen have to pay to view letters from the ladies of their choice ($1-2 per letter) , through a system of prepaid credits. love lab also organizes special parties for men to meet kyiv girls and coaches foreign men in how to behave with mysterious slavic women.
interdating club (interdating. ua) defines itself as an elite dating agency. one look at the prices shows why. after viewing the website catalogue of women – most pictures are taken by professional photographers in a studio and heavily photo-shopped – you can sign up for a $200 'evaluation program. ' at this time, your introduction letter and photos will be sent to the ladies of your choice. you can also pick a 'romantic introduction tour' of kyiv or other cities in ukraine ($500 to be paid in addition to 'evaluation program'). but if you're ready to spend big and prefer the most individual approach possible, you can use the 'headhunting' program for $1, 500. in this case, the company's matchmakers will offer you a selection of women, consult you and help organize meetings with them. if one such trip won't be sufficient to find your special lady, additional romantic trips will only cost you $500 apiece.
[url]www.russia-ukraine-travel.com/kiev-dating.html[/url] is not a dating site, but offers useful tips on how to look for women on local dating websites and fill out registration forms, even if they are entirely in russian.
finally, if you don't trust agencies run by ukrainians or russians, try kiev connections ([url]www.kievconenctions.com[/url]) managed by american brett ousley. having launched his matchmaking business in 2002, ousley promises to introduce you to great women and not scam you like 'other agencies do. ' with kiev connections, a man sends an e-mail letter (no more than 1, 000 words in size) and photograph to the agency. the photo is printed and the letter is translated and delivered to a woman – all for $12 per letter. it works both ways. the lady's reply will be translated and forwarded to you at the same cost. also you'll need to open an account of $120 or $60 credit just to get started. why they insist on sending letters to women by regular mail instead of e-mail is a mystery.
just mingle.
finally if you're bold enough to meet people on your own – which is certainly a good idea – but only worried about the language barrier, just try to hang out in places popular among ex-pats and english speaking locals. those include: irish pubs o'brien's (17-a mykhaylivska. 279-1584) and golden gate pub (15 zolotovoritska. 235-5188) ; nightclubs arena (2-a basseyna. 492-0000) .112 (5 chervonoarmiyska. 230-9632) , buddha bar (14 khreshchatyk. 270-7676) and eric's friends club (1-a uritskoho, butterfly ultramarine) ; latino dancing carribean club (4 kominterna. 288-1290) ; bierstube pub (20 chervonoarmiyska. 235-9472) ; restaurants arizona bbq (25 naberezhno-khreshchatytska. 425-2438) , napule (9 mechnikova. 461-9263) , soho (82 artema. 484-0351) and ciro's pomodoro (12 rustaveli. 221-4545) ; gloria jean's coffees (34 chervonoarmiyska) ; live music clubs 44 (4b khreshchatyk. 279-4137) and docker's abc (15 khreshchatyk. 278-1717) ; underground youth club khlib (12 frunze) and other places."
the moral of all this, is just go there and mingle in the right places.
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[quote=climaxnow;1329598]anybody know anything about the speed dating invitations that occasionally pop on mamba? anything positive to be had? any inherent scams?[/quote]there is a "dating tool" on mamba, that is a place organized as a calendar and by city, and where girls look for coffee, dining or clubbing dates (and where men offer coffee, dining or clubbing dates for that matter). something like a 'little or no obligation' way of meeting strangers of the opposite sex for a little reconnoitring with a view to future fun.
[url]http://love.mail.ru/placecard/[/url]
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speed dating
Thanks JoJo, did not expect such detail.
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[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1329595]Hi Lj.
The beautiful very tall girl was like a "Cover Girl" and sounds like Taya the first girl you refer to. But the weird thing is, she came over to my table and the first thing she said "Only Russian ", and when I replied "No Problem " she just walked away.
Perhaps got her lost in her translation of what I said which was without a cumma after No, and without a Droll after the No, dunno.
Maybe it was an excuse or something, like the other tall brunette telling me "maybe at 5 am".
Now you tell me some girls tell you "Its their Period " as an excuse.
It doesn't bother me at all, as I have no intention of taking out a girl from there. .
I say it again, Rio does have a nicer atmosphere than the other strip clubs in Kiev and no hassle there to buy Private Dances or drinks.[/QUOTE]Can someone explain how the girls that do not let themselves be "carried out" make money at Rio? Are we to assume they all do "carry out" but decline certain customers with "period excuses".
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If they don
[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1329595]Hi Lj.
The beautiful very tall girl was like a "Cover Girl" and sounds like Taya the first girl you refer to. But the weird thing is, she came over to my table and the first thing she said "Only Russian ", and when I replied "No Problem " she just walked away.
Perhaps got her lost in her translation of what I said which was without a cumma after No, and without a Droll after the No, dunno.
Maybe it was an excuse or something, like the other tall brunette telling me "maybe at 5 am".
Now you tell me some girls tell you "Its their Period " as an excuse.
It doesn't bother me at all, as I have no intention of taking out a girl from there. .
I say it again, Rio does have a nicer atmosphere than the other strip clubs in Kiev and no hassle there to buy Private Dances or drinks.[/QUOTE]As much as I want to get into the panties of every gorgeous girl in the planet (Venus is next, obviously!) I personally do keep some red-lines: the girl has to be over 18 and has to consent. Even when I pay them, they agree to the deal, so for me that is legit. If the girl says no, getting her hammered or pushing because they are afraid of the bouncers or managers in the club (losing their jobs, whatever) , I don't push. If the girl says no, it may break my heart and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off to no end, but (call me whatever you want) , if they say no, it does mean no. I feel bad for girls that may hypothetically be working as strippers to make ends meet, they don't want to become full-blown prostitutes, and one pushes them into it. I don't want that in my consciousness. If they say no, they have period, whatever, it is their decision and their right, and I go try my luck elsewhere. I hope this makes sense.
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1329720]Thanks JoJo, did not expect such detail.[/QUOTE]The Beauties and the gems are sometimes in the evidenced condensed details.
One such find for me was in O'Brien the Irish Pub. Which was in the details posted.
Next time I will base my posts on Hear, Say.
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1329740]Can someone explain how the girls that do not let themselves be "carried out" make money at Rio? Are we to assume they all do "carry out" but decline certain customers with "period excuses".[/QUOTE]They must make more money doing Private Dances in Rio?
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Taya.
[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1329595]Hi Lj.
The beautiful very tall girl was like a "Cover Girl" and sounds like Taya the first girl you refer to. But the weird thing is, she came over to my table and the first thing she said "Only Russian ", and when I replied "No Problem " she just walked away.
It doesn't bother me at all, as I have no intention of taking out a girl from there. .
I say it again, Rio does have a nicer atmosphere than the other strip clubs in Kiev and no hassle there to buy Private Dances or drinks.[/QUOTE]Any similar girls to her currently dancing in Rio?
Never say never in Mongering.
If Taya didn't walk away (misunderstood me?) she was one Girl I would have gladly taken her out forThe US300 Required Donation.
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You saved me, thank you!
[QUOTE=DoctorOral; 1329524]All the mamba profiles chosen are fake or salons.
No individual!
If you want student girls. Search not for nude penthouse fotos in the profile.
There is good salons though / so happy times.
If they give you the number, you can normally just google up the number.
And then see who they are in the web.[/QUOTE]Yes, I checked with Google and ALL were agencies. Very disappointing indeed. They probably only have the photo of the girl, not the girl.
Thank you for your advice.
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[quote=pedrotoronja;1329748]as much as i want to get into the panties of every gorgeous girl in the planet (venus is next, obviously!) i personally do keep some red-lines: the girl has to be over 18 and has to consent. even when i pay them, they agree to the deal, so for me that is legit. if the girl says no, getting her hammered or pushing because they are afraid of the bouncers or managers in the club (losing their jobs, whatever) , i don't push. if the girl says no, it may break my heart and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off to no end, but (call me whatever you want) , if they say no, it does mean no. i feel bad for girls that may hypothetically be working as strippers to make ends meet, they don't want to become full-blown prostitutes, and one pushes them into it. i don't want that in my consciousness. if they say no, they have period, whatever, it is their decision and their right, and i go try my luck elsewhere. i hope this makes sense.[/quote]i think what pedro says does make sense, in a situation where there are reasonable grounds to suspect any element of coercion of the girls to do something they really do not want to do.
however, in the circumstances pertaining to the situation i described in rio about a few girls saying an excuse to not go out because they had their periods, or in the situation described by jojosun, also at rio strip club, there are certainly no indications of any coercion pertaining to the girls going on dates out of the club with customers.
anyone who has experience at that club knows that it has many girls who are dancer only, and only those girls that want to go out on dates and earn the extra income associated with escorting the customers, are doing so. in addition, i can relate to you, that a number of girls had in the past said they could go out with me from the club, but only to a nightclub or other public place, and not to my apartment. it was their way of saying not to expect more than a normal date. the girls have choice. there is no coercion such as what pedro suggested that the girls "are afraid of the bouncers or managers in the club (losing their jobs, whatever)" so they will go out with you even if they don't really want to. there is no indication that any of the girls are required to go out with customers if they don't want to. enough of the girls tell you "dancing only," or simply say "no", to allay any such concerns about coercion.
that being said, i think the basic premise of the slogan,"when a girl says no, it means no" is being misapplied. this slogan is properly applied to unwanted touching of a woman and physical contact with her, which all will agree is improper if it is not consensual.
but applying the slogan "when a woman says "no", it means no" to a man's verbal speech, and his efforts to woo and romance a woman, and plead his cause to her, is a misapplication, which runs counter to all notions of romance and the historic role of the man to chase after the woman he desires. as long as the woman's participation in the conversation is consensual, and he is not harassing her in an unwanted way, it is not only desirable but actually expected of the man, to use his speech and his charms to entreat the object of his desire, that she be his to have and to hold. how much of great literature would the human race be bereft of, were this not the case. for the female of the species rarely says "yes" up front, and she requires that the man make great effort to "win" her attentions.
so i say that as long as a dancer is sitting at your table with you, and she is free to leave at any time she wishes, but she stays with you because she wants to and the conversation is flowing, and she is entertained by your company and is laughing at your witticisms, and you feel there is good chemistry developing, you should feel free to try to speak to her in such a way as to charm her, and get her to like you more, and if she made some excuse before about why she couldn't go out, she may yet change her mind, as any woman might, freely and with no coercion, and purely as a result of the kind of feeling she has for you. she may have begun to feel more at ease with you and comfortable with you and with the idea of a date with you, as you continue to spend more time with her, and your "game" draws her naturally toward you. this is just as it might be in an interaction in any nightclub between a guy trying to woo a girl he met there. the girl is free to make the choice, and the guy is free to keep trying to interest her with whatever he has, good conversation, humor, drinks, fun, etc, whatever he has at his disposal in the game of romance. she is either buying it, if there is chemistry, and they may end up together at some point, or if there isn't enough chemistry, she won't go with him. but he can and should keep trying as long as she continues to show interest. by staying with him and continuing to talk with him. it applies in a nightclub, as well as in rio strip club. in both cases, if she is really not interested, she can walk away.
my two cents.
lj
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[QUOTE=Jojosun;1329770]They must make more money doing Private Dances in Rio?[/QUOTE]I have often wondered about the economics at play at Rio. For example, I assumed that the girls get a basic salary to dance, because how else would the "dancer only" girls make money. Now recently a Rio girl told me that they get no salary, and they only earn money from their tips or private dances. On the other hand, many times when I was sitting with a girl at my table and talking, the girl will be told that she has to go to do her turn dancing on stage per the rotation that evening. I was given to understand by one of the managers that if I wanted her to stay with me and not get up to go do a stage dance, that I could give her 100 UAH, and this would exempt her from dancing that turn on stage. So I did that and the girl goes backstage with the 100 UAH and returns to sit with me instead of dancing her turn on stage. So what is happening with the 100 UAH backstage? Is the girl keeping it for herself? Is she giving it to the house for being exempt from dancing? Don't know. But it seems it shows there is a value associated with each turn dancing on stage. Obviously, the rewards a girl receives for going out are lucrative lures to do that work. Girls have begun dancing at the club and when they were new at it, they were dancer only, and after some time passed, they started to go out. Others stayed dancer only despite the allure of the extra cash. I think every presentable guy has a chance with those girls that are doing take out, and it depends on the chemistry. It has not been my impression that a girl suddenly becomes dancer only when she meets a guy she doesn't care for. A girl who does take out doesn't need to lie and say she's dancer only. She can simply say she's busy, or any other reason she wants to say, for not going out. It's her choice if she wants to go out or not with each particular client. That's why making an effort to be well groomed and charming is important in developing good chemistry and getting a take out date. There may be other factors at play, hitherto unknown to me, as I experienced when girls that definitely liked me, told me they can't go out because they had their period. It was too much of a coincidence after three girls said it. So I think something else was going down. I remember a time in the past that I reported about, when suddenly all the girls were saying that Saturday night, private dances only. It was frustrating. Management didn't bother to explain it to me. They did offer me a free taxi ride over to their sister club, Paradise. I found out later that it had been because LE was in the club that night.
LJ
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[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1329866]Yes, I checked with Google and ALL were agencies. Very disappointing indeed. They probably only have the photo of the girl, not the girl.
Thank you for your advice.[/QUOTE]Do escorts agencies use Mamba to market? Yes, I understand that 90% of p4p on Mamba comes from salons. I am just wondering if somebody runs a group of girls strictly through the internet without a home base such as a salon. It seems to me that escort agencies could not operate based on $100 an hour standard.
Why do I ask? I am not comfortable using salon girls in Kiev.
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Yes.
[QUOTE=Climaxnow; 1329908]Do escorts agencies use Mamba to market? Yes, I understand that 90% of p4p on Mamba comes from salons. I am just wondering if somebody runs a group of girls strictly through the internet without a home base such as a salon. It seems to me that escort agencies could not operate based on $100 an hour standard.
Why do I ask? I am not comfortable using salon girls in Kiev.[/QUOTE]The answer is Yes. There are escort agencies without a Salon.
You don't like details, Right?
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow; 1329908]Do escorts agencies use Mamba to market? Yes, I understand that 90% of p4p on Mamba comes from salons. I am just wondering if somebody runs a group of girls strictly through the internet without a home base such as a salon. It seems to me that escort agencies could not operate based on $100 an hour standard.
Why do I ask? I am not comfortable using salon girls in Kiev.[/QUOTE]Short answer. An English speaking girl mans the phone, does the bookings, sends the girls on bookings, gets her cut at the end of the day. It could be a group of friends.
One such girl was Marina. Its also safer for them.
If you ask her whether you can see the girl at her apartment? If the answer is No, then its not a Salon.
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1329720]Thanks JoJo, did not expect such detail.[/QUOTE]Yep. LOL, been influenced by Liljoey's posts minus his great erotic writing and Typing Skills.
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Fisting
Hello,
I am looking for young girls available for deep fistings: who can suggest some tested young girls for deep fistings?
Thanks for help.
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[QUOTE=AColonizer; 1330051]Hello,
I am looking for young girls available for deep fistings: who can suggest some tested young girls for deep fistings?
Thanks for help.[/QUOTE]It's been my experience in Kiev that the pretty ones do not want even a finger stuck up there vagina. Happy to see you post again AC.
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[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1329885]I have often wondered about the economics at play at Rio. For example, I assumed that the girls get a basic salary to dance, because how else would the "dancer only" girls make money. Now recently a Rio girl told me that they get no salary, and they only earn money from their tips or private dances. On the other hand, many times when I was sitting with a girl at my table and talking, the girl will be told that she has to go to do her turn dancing on stage per the rotation that evening. I was given to understand by one of the managers that if I wanted her to stay with me and not get up to go do a stage dance, that I could give her 100 UAH, and this would exempt her from dancing that turn on stage. So I did that and the girl goes backstage with the 100 UAH and returns to sit with me instead of dancing her turn on stage. So what is happening with the 100 UAH backstage? Is the girl keeping it for herself? Is she giving it to the house for being exempt from dancing? Don't know. But it seems it shows there is a value associated with each turn dancing on stage.
LJ[/QUOTE]All of the girls dancing at Lap Dance clubs in London are self employed and they pay the club for the allocated time to dance there.
That's why one gets a hassle from them to buy private dances for £20, but not for drinks.
I don't how it works at Rio, but I imagine they must get a basic salary plus a cut from private dances.
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[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1329962]Short answer. An English speaking girl mans the phone, does the bookings, sends the girls on bookings, gets her cut at the end of the day. It could be a group of friends.
One such girl was Marina. Its also safer for them.
If you ask her whether you can see the girl at her apartment? If the answer is No, then its not a Salon.[/QUOTE]Its also much cheaper than running a Salon.
Hance their prices are often cheaper than salon girls.
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[QUOTE=AColonizer; 1330051]Hello,
I am looking for young girls available for deep fistings: who can suggest some tested young girls for deep fistings?
Thanks for help.[/QUOTE]AC.
Try relaxportal. Biz.
You can find everything there
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Because you believe everything that women say, ah ah ah.
In March I had an 18 engaged in fisting and pissing and very honest too. Unfortunately they last some months and disappear.
[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1330142]It's been my experience in Kiev that the pretty ones do not want even a finger stuck up there vagina. Happy to see you post again AC.[/QUOTE]
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GIA Elena
Have any of you guys try this girl from GIA, here is the link [url]http://gia-escort.com/girl/elena7[/url]
Would have been very handy if anyone could give a report on her GFE skills.
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[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1329776]Any similar girls to her currently dancing in Rio?
Never say never in Mongering.
If Taya didn't walk away (misunderstood me?) she was one Girl I would have gladly taken her out forThe US300 Required Donation.[/QUOTE]Jojo, after reading your story again, I wonder if, after she said "only Russian", if your reply had been "charasho" or some other Russian word or phrase, whether the result would have been different? Or whether history might have taken a different course?
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[QUOTE=Tomux 22; 1330215]Have any of you guys try this girl from GIA, here is the link.
[url]http://gia-escort.com/girl/elena7[/url]
Would have been very handy if anyone could give a report on her GFE skills.[/QUOTE]She looks to be a very pretty girl with a good body and all the goodies on her menu, but are you looking at her prices? She wants $300 for the ONE hour date, and it only goes up from there. Yet on the other hand, a guarantee of good GFE services is worth a premium of some additional money over the kind of rate more usual in Kiev of $100 / hour. But how much more? If you are considering girls with such rates as $300 / hour (230 Euro / hour) , then that opens up for you the entire high end of Kiev's internet escort scene (the websites you will come to if you search "escort Kiev" on Google) which have 1 hour prices like 150 Euro or 200 Euro. Maybe for that kind of money, they look like their pictures and provide GFE services? No one has ever reported on those high priced websites charging rates more common in Western Europe than in Kiev. If you do experiment with those agencies, please report on it.
LJ
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[QUOTE=Immy007; 1330200]AC.
Try relaxportal. Biz.
You can find everything there[/QUOTE]I would be interested to know of any experiences you guys have with the girls at relaxportal.
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[QUOTE=AColonizer; 1330202]Because you believe everything that women say, ah ah ah.
In March I had an 18 engaged in fisting and pissing and very honest too. Unfortunately they last some months and disappear.[/QUOTE]AC, have you found many girls in the past who engaged in fisting and pissing? It seems quite a few girls advertise that they are willing to engage in the more kinky activities.
I'm curious, when I sometimes see a list of services a girl will provide, and it says it includes vaginal fisting, does that usually mean they will allow you to fist them, or they will fist you, or both?
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Gia
[QUOTE=Tomux 22; 1330215]Have any of you guys try this girl from GIA, here is the link.
[url]http://gia-escort.com/girl/elena7[/url]
Would have been very handy if anyone could give a report on her GFE skills.[/QUOTE]I can not see any value in Gia. If you look at the profiles of most girls, they are above college age. The ones that are college age, look like village girls. This venue is clearly not student friendly in its employment.
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1330507]I can not see any value in Gia. If you look at the profiles of most girls, they are above college age. The ones that are college age, look like village girls. This venue is clearly not student friendly in its employment.[/QUOTE]Some like cheap uni girls from villages and some enjoy classy women, having nice conversation, food and wine. Nothing wrong in that. Value is depended on needs, yes individual needs. I will not argue about GIA girls since its not my main aim when I am in Kiev, to much normal girls to catch. So I am not a regular client. But I really don't see any seance in your answer mister, just personal option of what you see as a good service.
Take care
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[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1330316]She looks to be a very pretty girl with a good body and all the goodies on her menu, but are you looking at her prices? She wants $300 for the ONE hour date, and it only goes up from there. Yet on the other hand, a guarantee of good GFE services is worth a premium of some additional money over the kind of rate more usual in Kiev of $100 / hour. But how much more? If you are considering girls with such rates as $300 / hour (230 Euro / hour) , then that opens up for you the entire high end of Kiev's internet escort scene (the websites you will come to if you search "escort Kiev" on Google) which have 1 hour prices like 150 Euro or 200 Euro. Maybe for that kind of money, they look like their pictures and provide GFE services? No one has ever reported on those high priced websites charging rates more common in Western Europe than in Kiev. If you do experiment with those agencies, please report on it.
LJ[/QUOTE]Yes LilJoey I have a gf in Kiev and five dates arranged when I come. I can't help my self but I still think of escorts, guess its a curse. I don't get anything from mechanical sex, putting on condom and doing the deed. I value classy true GFE and that is what I expect from a girl I pay for having sex with me. Thats why I am willing to pay the price. I have booked this girl for few hours session, will do a report of her performance when back from Kiev.
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If Only?
[QUOTE=LilJoey;1330312]Jojo, after reading your story again, I wonder if, after she said "only Russian", if your reply had been "charasho" or some other Russian word or phrase, whether the result would have been different? Or whether history might have taken a different course?[/QUOTE]My 3 Russian words in Nov09. Were the, Neyt, Spasibo.
And it was during the epidmy as they called the Swine Flu then.
Maybe this explains her excuse at the time.
What I missed out at Rio then, I made it up at River Palace at prices unheard of before.
Showed the RP girls my Swine Flu Jab certificate translated to Russian. Guess they wanted to reward me for my bravery in flying my ass on a nearly empty plane to Kiev and disregarding offical travel warnings at the time.
If only (The Epidemy) lasted a bit longer.
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[QUOTE=Tomux 22;1330535]Yes LilJoey I have a gf in Kiev and five dates arranged when I come.[/QUOTE]Without being controversial, but don't you guys are bored to deal with constant arranged dates? I mean, what about unexpected adventures, drunk sluts fucked in the bars toilets, unforseen one night stands, booze-fuelled nights with inebriated dyevushki met in clubs, ect? When I read the Kiev thread and all this uninspiring stories about Rio, escorts, mamba piranhas, ect, it seems that it is nor the FSU that I know, and nor the FSU that I love.
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Mamba and relax
I'm on mamba, chatting with a lot of nice girls and women from Kiev.
But I've found few wg or prof.
If you know how to find escort on mamba please tell me.
I've looked at relaxportal too. Every girl is a topmodel and prices are cheap.
But I've seen a lot of sites like this and I got a lot of doubts.
I tried google on a phone number, just like an experiment:
This 20 why old dark angel from relaxp.
[url]http://relaxportal.biz/eng/prostitutki-kieva/4850/[/url]
Got the same number of this 25y blonde skinny girl.
[url]http://www.top-modals.com/?id=6308[/url]
And some other add on relaxp have the same number.
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1330702]That would be the nineties my friend. Moscow, Kiev, all so civilized nowadays.[/QUOTE]Moscow is still the world capital of the drunk club sluts. Why Kiev would be so different?
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[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1330537]My 3 Russian words in Nov09. Were the, Neyt, Spasibo.
And it was during the epidmy as they called the Swine Flu then.
Maybe this explains her excuse at the time.
What I missed out at Rio then, I made it up at River Palace at prices unheard of before.
Showed the RP girls my Swine Flu Jab certificate translated to Russian. Guess they wanted to reward me for my bravery in flying my ass on a nearly empty plane to Kiev and disregarding offical travel warnings at the time.
If only (The Epidemy) lasted a bit longer.[/QUOTE]I typed (Yes) in Russian as the first word, but it got posted as (the)
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[QUOTE=Prosal;1330553]Without being controversial, but don't you guys are bored to deal with constant arranged dates? I mean, what about unexpected adventures, drunk sluts fucked in the bars toilets, unforseen one night stands, booze-fuelled nights with inebriated dyevushki met in clubs, ect? When I read the Kiev thread and all this uninspiring stories about Rio, escorts, mamba piranhas, ect, it seems that it is nor the FSU that I know, and nor the FSU that I love.[/QUOTE]Good question. I think everyone here wants to do that, or at least have that option, but my guess is most guys here are not intending to plant seeds and think too far ahead, simply preferring guaranteed satisfaction without the hassle and uncertainty. Most guys are there for only a few days so they want to cut to the chase.
To embark on an unexpected adventure and score would imply one has to have 'game' and be somewhat intimate with the city. Game meaning knowing how to dress (club bouncers seemed to take particular interest in the shoes people were wearing) , knowing which girl (s) you can approach and being able to strike up and hold a conversation. The language barrier can be a daunting task itself to overcome and having zero Russian / Ukrainian language skills would probably not stack the odds in your favour. Knowing which bars and clubs to go to would be useful knowledge as as well, as I found out that certain joints have a higher concentration of WGs than others.
I'm definitely interested in scratching beneath the surface and go beyond arranged dates and encounters with pros and semi-pros, so anyone with specific advice and knowledge please chime in.
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To be honest. I do so much
Really I do miss taht.
But there is so much good delivered to your doorstep.
Sometimes it is hard to convince obeself.
So where does the toilet throatuck happen?
UOTE=Prosal; 1330553]Without being controversial, but don't you guys are bored to deal with constant arranged dates? I mean, what about unexpected adventures, drunk sluts fucked in the bars toilets, unforseen one night stands, booze-fuelled nights with inebriated dyevushki met in clubs, ect? When I read the Kiev thread and all this uninspiring stories about Rio, escorts, mamba piranhas, ect, it seems that it is nor the FSU that I know, and nor the FSU that I love.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Prosal;1330709]Moscow is still the world capital of the drunk club sluts. Why Kiev would be so different?[/QUOTE]Girls are reserved here in Kiev. With a dozen or so trips to D'Lux, I have yet to see a foreigner pickup a girl and leave the place together. I saw it happen once in Avalon. Maybe I just go to the wrong places.
Face control in Moscow is tough on 40 something tourists like me. If they don't let me in, how am I suppose to get a blowjob in the toilet? (smiley)
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D
[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1330870]Girls are reserved here in Kiev. With a dozen or so trips to D'Lux, I have yet to see a foreigner pickup a girl and leave the place together. I saw it happen once in Avalon. Maybe I just go to the wrong places.[/QUOTE]I was D'Lux twice last week Thurs & Sat. Weekends most of the girls it seemed it they were more local regular girls having fun and fewer "working girls" then the week day. Also on Sat the working girls definitely a notch or two below some of the stunning super model types who were their with BF's or just having having fun with their friends. I find it's just like Vegas you might need to get a table and bottle service if you want to attract some of the better looking ones and dress to impress. Add the taxis, cover, booze the costs can add up not counting $200- $400 to the girl. Another thing since it really doesn't get busy til at 11-12 so it can be a late night. Next time in Kiev I would try avoid clubs and try to build more contacts first and leave it as a last resort.
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Dante is another hi end club in Kiev. Having a table helps and if you are by yourself it will cost a lot. Then you invite girls over to your table for drinks
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Mamba phone numbers or emails
[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1329467]Same with me, uploaded fake photos until one stuck, and there it is.[/QUOTE]I guess is not allowed phone numbers and the risk is to block the account? Is this correct?
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Kiev airport and baggages controls
[QUOTE=Sponsor74;1310012]Dear Cruiser, when I travel to Kiev, I experienced controls of my baggages and questions about the present I bring there. Is this a normal procedure for other members here? Of course I manage these controls paying USD 20 or 50 but is not nice because is time consuming and my contacts are waiting for me[/QUOTE]In my last 2 trips after Euro Football it seems a big improvement in this issue and no more these experiences in Kiev's airport. Regarding other airports sorry no experiences
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[QUOTE=Yellowpaul;1330892]I was D'Lux twice last week Thurs & Sat. Weekends most of the girls it seemed it they were more local regular girls having fun and fewer "working girls" then the week day. Also on Sat the working girls definitely a notch or two below some of the stunning super model types who were their with BF's or just having having fun with their friends. I find it's just like Vegas you might need to get a table and bottle service if you want to attract some of the better looking ones and dress to impress. Add the taxis, cover, booze the costs can add up not counting $200- $400 to the girl. Another thing since it really doesn't get busy til at 11-12 so it can be a late night. Next time in Kiev I would try avoid clubs and try to build more contacts first and leave it as a last resort.[/QUOTE]This is not good news to hear the regular club WG scene is not so good, even at D'lux. Cruiser D you reported recently you were in Kiev. Have you been to the nightclubs this recent trip? Or Has your time been hijacked by all the girls you already have in your venerable phone Contacts list, and you didn't make it into the nightclubs this recent trip? I had the experience of spending a lot of my available time on just two mamba girls that I liked, so I can imagine what having many more girls to call on might be like. You really don't have to go anywhere. You can just summon them to your apartment one after the other, without even getting out at all. But somehow from your writings I suspect you would need the excitement of going clubbing. So if you did go out, how about telling some stories of your encounters? Can you perhaps report any pertinent observations on the current nightclub WG or semi-pro scene? Any details would be welcome. The above report doesn't sound encouraging.
LJ
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European cities similar to Kiev
Which other central / east european cities have a scene similar to Kiev? Better / worse? Specifically asking about lot of semi pros (univ students) , a site like mamba and club scene with semi pros.
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[QUOTE=Yellowpaul;1330892]I was D'Lux twice last week Thurs & Sat. Weekends most of the girls it seemed it they were more local regular girls having fun and fewer "working girls" then the week day. Also on Sat the working girls definitely a notch or two below some of the stunning super model types who were their with BF's or just having having fun with their friends. I find it's just like Vegas you might need to get a table and bottle service if you want to attract some of the better looking ones and dress to impress. Add the taxis, cover, booze the costs can add up not counting $200- $400 to the girl. Another thing since it really doesn't get busy til at 11-12 so it can be a late night. Next time in Kiev I would try avoid clubs and try to build more contacts first and leave it as a last resort.[/QUOTE]I only go to D'lux for one reason. On Friday's and Saturday's, this place draws nice girls from outside Kiev central that come to enjoy the music, dance, and show off there beauty. Yes, there are a lot of flashy ball busting b*s mixed among the crowd. But what is really amazing to see are the beautiful girls with Kmart clothes that did not get caught up in the sponsoring deal. These are the girls where I can feel the strongest chemistry. It's almost shocking how they will look and dance at me more than some good looking twenty something foreign fella. I'm almost bald now, forty something, yet my ability to present myself as a nice and secure man allows me to attract girls here in Kiev.
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Kmart
[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1331105]I only go to D'lux for one reason. On Friday's and Saturday's, this place draws nice girls from outside Kiev central that come to enjoy the music, dance, and show off there beauty. Yes, there are a lot of flashy ball busting b*s mixed among the crowd. But what is really amazing to see are the beautiful girls with Kmart clothes that did not get caught up in the sponsoring deal. These are the girls where I can feel the strongest chemistry. It's almost shocking how they will look and dance at me more than some good looking twenty something foreign fella. I'm almost bald now, forty something, yet my ability to present myself as a nice and secure man allows me to attract girls here in Kiev.[/QUOTE]Hey I'm like you early 40's and just average looking and losing my hair. I saw the "Kmart" girls you are talking but I guess I was a little disppointed because I didn't fly 10 hours from Canada for that. Thursday was better as I split bottle service costs with 2 other newbies and we got a prime table right in front of the dance floor. Me and another guy brought guy brought girls with us to the club that night but I got a few numbers but they failed to respond to some day time action. We also went to Skybar on Friday night which had some better girls there. Mamba can very hit or miss as the girls can busy for days even after a great GFE. I had awesome night with a 20 year but who was at least 10-15 pounds heavier then her Mamba pic's. I will post a full review when I return and get time.
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Game on
Yes,
It has been a while since I saw a decent report about pulling freebies in Kiev. With all the talk about that shithole Rio and the Princesses in D'Lux, it would be natural to assume that no one scores here any more. Fortunately that's just not the case.
Here's what you need.
1. The right plan. If you're going to a club, get a table. Invite girls to join you, if they are boring or suggest money, throw them off and get some more.
2. Pretend to have game, even if you don't. It's the guy who does the pulling. 100 times more so in the FSU.
3. Don't lose focus. None of this "haven't decided yet" crap. If you fancy a girl and she gives you a glimmer of a response. Go in for the kill. No prisoners.
4. Dress to impress but within your comfort zone. I wear jeans and t-Shirts and don't own a suit. My black and white Casio watch works just fine.
5. Don't get drunk. We all do but your chances plummet.
6. Use mamba to suit your own purposes. Save time by posting your photo on the top line saying "looking for a fun chick to party with tonight". Bring her along until you close with her or find better.
Got to go
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Night of oblivion
The one only rule that people should know here is: because you believe everything what girls say to you. A real man has no limits. The rest of the mass are just losers pretending to be something. But this is the story as ancient as the humanity.
I can't explain again and again and again what was already said millions times: the worst blind is who doesn't want to see what he has in front of his eyes. What is still happening now, after years and years and years of reports: masters are seldom and they sometimes wrote experiences, the mass don't want to understand masters' experiences and they are still wrong with the reality, the mass are wrong with girls, the mass are wrong with sex, the mass are wrong with marriage (Pay4Children) , the mass are wrong with prostitutes (Pay4Sex) , the mass think sex is vaginal sex only, the mass pay 4 times the honest price for vaginal sex and they are happy, and prostitutes are happier than them, and pimps are happier than them.
I had the unique schooling by one of the best prostitutes in the world, just 19 years-old, and she exclaimed, sadly a long time ago: if I am a customer, rather to pay my last 30 euros for a stunning girl like me, I would masturbate myself. This is the difference between female mindset and male mindset. This is the difference between a master of his own doom and the rest of the mass forgotten into the night of oblivion. But this is the story as ancient as the humanity.
[QUOTE=Hectorgonz; 1330503]AC, have you found many girls in the past who engaged in fisting and pissing? It seems quite a few girls advertise that they are willing to engage in the more kinky activities.
I'm curious, when I sometimes see a list of services a girl will provide, and it says it includes vaginal fisting, does that usually mean they will allow you to fist them, or they will fist you, or both?[/QUOTE]
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I guess if you want super easy sleasy women mamba, net, and Rio works.
But in reality no, I was at shooters last night, met up with english speaking guys there and had fun, it was filled with beautiful women, dancing on everything but the ceiling.
I guess I'm still a young guy so women is really easy for me, the language issue is just a new thing to get used to. There is a guy bartender at shooters who looks 16-18 hes a little pimp, he will tell you everything about the women. And even help you out. He saved me time, told me not to mess with specific women in the club because they do not like americans, don't know a single english word, are sleezy.
Anyway moral concept from what I gather.
Ask yourself why do Kiev or ukraine women like foreigners, expessially americans?
Stability security better life chance to have nice family. The never ending list.
Anyway just break the ice with a woman, buy here a drink accross the table or go dance with one, try communicating, make them feel special. Don't be entirely upfront.
ALWAYS INTRODUCE YOURSELF I got let down a lot because I wasnt introducing myself when I asked for their names.
Menhya-Zavut (your name)
Kak-vas-Zavut (asks their name)
Anyways yes, and Rio I was told by taxi girls take home for 100 USD no problem during late hours.
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[QUOTE=Irish Lad; 1331144]Yes,
It has been a while since I saw a decent report about pulling freebies in Kiev. With all the talk about that shithole Rio and the Princesses in D'Lux, it would be natural to assume that no one scores here any more. Fortunately that's just not the case.
Here's what you need.
1. The right plan. If you're going to a club, get a table. Invite girls to join you, if they are boring or suggest money, throw them off and get some more.
2. Pretend to have game, even if you don't. It's the guy who does the pulling. 100 times more so in the FSU.
3. Don't lose focus. None of this "haven't decided yet" crap. If you fancy a girl and she gives you a glimmer of a response. Go in for the kill. No prisoners.
4. Dress to impress but within your comfort zone. I wear jeans and t-Shirts and don't own a suit. My black and white Casio watch works just fine.
5. Don't get drunk. We all do but your chances plummet.
6. Use mamba to suit your own purposes. Save time by posting your photo on the top line saying "looking for a fun chick to party with tonight". Bring her along until you close with her or find better.
Got to go[/QUOTE]Absolutely agree with that. The most difficult part being (for me, smilie) nonetheless "don't get drunk". That said, from my experience, it is still possible to drink a lot IF it's with a girl that is also drinking. And preferably one that you have met before. A drunken fuck can be a great thing.
As for point number 4, totally agree on that too, jeans can be worn without problems. I also always wear jeans, but that look fashionable. Diesel is in this respect the best IMO. It is an expensive brand (some 200€ to 250€ in Europe, and more expensive in FSU) , and most girls know that it's top jeans. A pair of raggedy Wranglers or 501 will make you stand out like a sore thumb. As a side note, a pair of Diesel is a great gift to do to one of your favorites.
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Neeeded.
Hi,
Does any one know where to buy viagra or something equal in Kiev or Odessa?
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Viagra in Kiev
Viagra in Kiev comes in packs of two usually.
Viagra is served on high heels with blonde, brown or black topping.
In the process of intake, Viagra usually presents itself naked in bed.
Or cumcovered in the toilet of a dirty bar!
If Viagra (ukr version) is not strong enough for you. You got to be in serious shit!
(for serious help, search the forum, it has ALL been said!)
[QUOTE=Barfarf; 1331173]Hi,
Does any one know where to buy viagra or something equal in Kiev or Odessa?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Prosal; 1331153]Absolutely agree with that. The most difficult part being (for me, smilie) nonetheless "don't get drunk". That said, from my experience, it is still possible to drink a lot IF it's with a girl that is also drinking. And preferably one that you have met before. A drunken fuck can be a great thing.
As for point number 4, totally agree on that too, jeans can be worn without problems. I also always wear jeans, but that look fashionable. Diesel is in this respect the best IMO. It is an expensive brand (some 200€ to 250€ in Europe, and more expensive in FSU) , and most girls know that it's top jeans. A pair of raggedy Wranglers or 501 will make you stand out like a sore thumb. As a side note, a pair of Diesel is a great gift to do to one of your favorites.[/QUOTE]Mark Jacobs jeans are nuts, last time I have seen nice Diesel jeans model was 10 years ago.
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[QUOTE=Irish Lad;1331144]1. The right plan. If you're going to a club, get a table. Invite girls to join you, if they are boring or suggest money, throw them off and get some more.[/QUOTE]This might be OK for Kiev; however, in my "provinces" I never ask for a table in a club. Standing at the bar works much better for me, because the girls, which are easily available, find me.
Usually, they simply stand besides me, sometimes they even bring their own drink, when coming from another party. Or just dance in my very front.
Invitation of girl (s) to the table quite often results in a simple, but expensive party, and then "bye, bye". Only difference in case we talk about the top class girls. They expect a table, usually. Because having some kick-back deal with the owner of the club. To make some business, even in case they don not like the potential "customer".
However, a good "bad girl" is sufficient for me.
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[QUOTE=Tomux 22;1331208]last time I have seen nice Diesel jeans model was 10 years ago.[/QUOTE]Well, GF Tatiana in Tashkent would strongly disagree with this statement. Just say the word "Diesel" and see her legs open slightly in an uncontrolled answer. I just bought her a 240€ super skinny pair for my approaching visit by the way. They match perfectly with too high heels (smilie).
[url]http://store.diesel.com/fr/super-skinny_cod42255779vs.html[/url]
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Oh, you talk about Diesel. I live near Diesel's headquaters and also I live in a country where unknown brands are good as much as Diesel. It is probably you are right, because it is a right marketing that makes great a product, and not instead a great product that makes good a brand. For your information, your Diesel jeans costs 8 dollars at the manifacture in Vietnam / Thailand / China and I don't think they could be very different from Levi's, Wrangler, Lee or etc. I really don't know which famous Italian fashion brands are still manifacturing in Italy with Italian fabrics and with Italian workers! Another example, scandalous is that Ferrari makes caps, t-shirts, scarfs, shoes, etc. In China and then it sells them with the slogan "designed in Italy", but they are not a piece of Italy, they are a piece of China!
The same criterion is about girls.
[QUOTE=Prosal; 1331153]Absolutely agree with that. The most difficult part being (for me, smilie) nonetheless "don't get drunk". That said, from my experience, it is still possible to drink a lot IF it's with a girl that is also drinking. And preferably one that you have met before. A drunken fuck can be a great thing.
As for point number 4, totally agree on that too, jeans can be worn without problems. I also always wear jeans, but that look fashionable. Diesel is in this respect the best IMO. It is an expensive brand (some 200€ to 250€ in Europe, and more expensive in FSU) , and most girls know that it's top jeans. A pair of raggedy Wranglers or 501 will make you stand out like a sore thumb. As a side note, a pair of Diesel is a great gift to do to one of your favorites.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Yellowpaul;1331117]Hey I'm like you early 40's and just average looking and losing my hair. I saw the "Kmart" girls you are talking but I guess I was a little disppointed because I didn't fly 10 hours from Canada for that. Thursday was better as I split bottle service costs with 2 other newbies and we got a prime table right in front of the dance floor. Me and another guy brought guy brought girls with us to the club that night but I got a few numbers but they failed to respond to some day time action. We also went to Skybar on Friday night which had some better girls there. Mamba can very hit or miss as the girls can busy for days even after a great GFE. I had awesome night with a 20 year but who was at least 10-15 pounds heavier then her Mamba pic's. I will post a full review when I return and get time.[/QUOTE]I said Kmart clothes, not Kmart girls. Some are absolute stunners, inside and out. Believe or not, there are beautiful girls and I mean really beautiful, that do not have an Iphone and Diesel Jeans.
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1331252]Believe or not, there are beautiful girls and I mean really beautiful, that do not have an Iphone and Diesel Jeans.[/QUOTE]Hum. You obviously making sarcasm about some of things I've said about FSU societies being class societies where WE 'd better show in which class we are in. Evidently, a girl doesn't need the latest Iphone nor 250€ jeans to be charming and attractive. But YOU'd maybe need (among other things) stylish jeans to cajole the face kontrol guys in upper-market clubs. (wink)
[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1330870]Face control in Moscow is tough on 40 something tourists like me.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=MattNDBoy; 1331150]Ask yourself why do Kiev or ukraine women like foreigners, expessially americans?
Stability security better life chance to have nice family. The never ending list.[/QUOTE]I guess you are attempting humour here. If a Russian (or Ukrainian for that matter) girl is with you only for the financial or emotional security that you are supposed to provide, it makes you a tool, a stooge, but by no means somebody she REALLY wants to have a hot fling or a passionate romance with. Sorry, but your US passport doesn't necessarily make of you a guy worth fucking. By the way, for your information, in FSU, sex-weaned yank tourists are rather a subject of disdain or mockery nowadays. And even of hate sometimes.
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[QUOTE=DoctorOral;1330840]So where does the toilet throatuck happen?[/QUOTE]It might sounds strange, but I've had my wildest adventures with drunk club sluts in Chisinau. And not only one. A good dozen of wild and quick scores and on-site fucks, some semi-public.
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Shooters
[QUOTE=MattNDBoy; 1331150]I guess if you want super easy sleasy women mamba, net, and Rio works.
But in reality no, I was at shooters last night, met up with english speaking guys there and had fun, it was filled with beautiful women, dancing on everything but the ceiling.
I guess I'm still a young guy so women is really easy for me, the language issue is just a new thing to get used to. There is a guy bartender at shooters who looks 16-18 hes a little pimp, he will tell you everything about the women. And even help you out. He saved me time, told me not to mess with specific women in the club because they do not like americans, don't know a single english word, are sleezy.
Anyway moral concept from what I gather.
Ask yourself why do Kiev or ukraine women like foreigners, expessially americans?
Stability security better life chance to have nice family. The never ending list.
Anyway just break the ice with a woman, buy here a drink accross the table or go dance with one, try communicating, make them feel special. Don't be entirely upfront.
ALWAYS INTRODUCE YOURSELF I got let down a lot because I wasnt introducing myself when I asked for their names.
Menhya-Zavut (your name)
Kak-vas-Zavut (asks their name)
Anyways yes, and Rio I was told by taxi girls take home for 100 USD no problem during late hours.[/QUOTE]Sadly I never got to experience Shooters as I was denied entry LOL.
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Nice to see we are back on the wardrobes again. I was totally confused last time I went for shopping, due to the lack of advice of what to wear for several days. So I made it simple and just staple 100 EUR bills to cover my arms, legs, chest and back. I could fit many bills so the girls are really impressed. In fact I think everyone are impressed. So I must be a winner now, right?
[QUOTE=Prosal;1330553]Without being controversial, but don't you guys are bored to deal with constant arranged dates? I mean, what about unexpected adventures, drunk sluts fucked in the bars toilets, unforseen one night stands, booze-fuelled nights with inebriated dyevushki met in clubs, ect? When I read the Kiev thread and all this uninspiring stories about Rio, escorts, mamba piranhas, ect, it seems that it is nor the FSU that I know, and nor the FSU that I love.[/QUOTE]Yes I am sure people do that because the do not dare to be wild and crazy. In reality they are super bored. Not everyone can be wild and crazy, right?
Best for me is a mix. Arranged dates in daytime and alco induced adventures at night. But night clubs are often filled with corrupt and ego inflated idiots, that try to impress strangers. So I can can not blame people who are not attracted to the black energy vortex called night clubs.
As for mr A-fantasy-nizer. Would be great if the world was like you describe it, but men will always walk the edge to get the upper hand. If all men where cheap fisting anal fucking bastards, there would always be one prick that betray the rest and start to act all nice on the girls. Men almost always try to qualify, even if the describe themselves as hard core alpha males, all dressed up in their fancy feathers. The truth is that we all walk the slack line balancing between trying to impress and being a man that tales charge. And I must admit, it is not an easy line to balance on (unless you are in places like SE Asia).
BTW. I know a girl in Kharkov that I think would be into fisting. I got to fuck her and cum in both her ass and pussy without a condom (yes I was very stupid that day but thank god, or rather China, for rapid STD tests to calm paranoid minds).
B.
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[QUOTE=Prosal;1331309]Hum. You obviously making sarcasm about some of things I've said about FSU societies being class societies where WE 'd better show in which class we are in. Evidently, a girl doesn't need the latest Iphone nor 250€ jeans to be charming and attractive. But YOU'd maybe need (among other things) stylish jeans to cajole the face kontrol guys in upper-market clubs. (wink)[/QUOTE]No sarcasm at all. Just saying there are a lot of pretty and sweet girls that can not afford the above toys. IPhones are an excellent sign that a girl is being sponsored and hardly offer any indication of social class.
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[QUOTE=Prosal; 1331153]Absolutely agree with that. The most difficult part being (for me, smilie) nonetheless "don't get drunk". That said, from my experience, it is still possible to drink a lot IF it's with a girl that is also drinking. And preferably one that you have met before. A drunken fuck can be a great thing.
As for point number 4, totally agree on that too, jeans can be worn without problems. I also always wear jeans, but that look fashionable. Diesel is in this respect the best IMO. It is an expensive brand (some 200€ to 250€ in Europe, and more expensive in FSU) , and most girls know that it's top jeans. A pair of raggedy Wranglers or 501 will make you stand out like a sore thumb. As a side note, a pair of Diesel is a great gift to do to one of your favorites.[/QUOTE]I wear Dsquared jeans and jacket. The ladies there seem to take notice and have made favourable comments.
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1331412]No sarcasm at all. Just saying there are a lot of pretty and sweet girls that can not afford the above toys. IPhones are an excellent sign that a girl is being sponsored and hardly offer any indication of social class.[/QUOTE]Of course you are right. Status accessories are not an indication of social class. Why does a girl with a modest job have a 650€ phone and 400€ shoes? Why is she sipping a mojito that cost 10% of the average monthly wage? How girls can afford this? Certainly not from their wages.
By the way, I saw sarcasm where there obviously wasn't. I guess it was a consequence of an abuse of Chardonnais (smilie) , my bad.
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[QUOTE=Prosal;1331318]I guess you are attempting humour here. If a Russian (or Ukrainian for that matter) girl is with you only for the financial or emotional security that you are supposed to provide, it makes you a tool, a stooge, but by no means somebody she REALLY wants to have a hot fling or a passionate romance with.[/QUOTE]I disagree. A man can provide security to a woman without being used as a meal ticket. Most people have nothing in Ukraine. No parents to fall back on, no choice in the job market, remnants of soviet mentality that somebody should take care of them. Why would a Western guy be a stooge if he can give security to girl who in return offers companionship? Ask any dev why the defense towards foreigners, number one reply. "They won't marry you".
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1331466]I disagree. A man can provide security to a woman without being used as a meal ticket. Most people have nothing in Ukraine. No parents to fall back on, no choice in the job market, remnants of soviet mentality that somebody should take care of them. Why would a Western guy be a stooge if he can give security to girl who in return offers companionship? Ask any dev why the defense towards foreigners, number one reply. "They won't marry you".[/QUOTE]I can speak only from my experience, but I find that by-and-large, the lower on the food chain the girl is, the sneakier she is. And consequently the relationship lacks of "passion" and of spontaneity. Lower class / poor girls are most often one-track-mind goldiggers. I remember that Doctor Skank said once that it's in their blood and called survival. Contrarily, higher social class girls often put out uncomplicated and passionate relationships. The bills are paid, they have no materialistic expectations or financial problems to solve and they only feel they need hot adventures otherwise they are missing out on life.
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[QUOTE=AColonizer;1331249]I really don't know which famous Italian fashion brands are still manifacturing in Italy with Italian fabrics and with Italian workers![/QUOTE]Pal Zileri (Gruppo Forall). I made a real-estate deal with them a few years ago and had the opportunity to visit their factory in Vincenza (they also fabricate for Zilli and Zegna by the way). They produce the finest quality clothing, and this is defined by their simple label: Made in Italy.
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1331466]Ask any dev why the defense towards foreigners, number one reply. "They won't marry you".[/QUOTE]Not every girl is looking for love and long-term relationships. Fortunaly, casual sex is as common as ever in FSU, and most girls know exactly what they are getting into when dating and / or fucking foreigners.
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Dear members,
This forum was made to increase sexual practices only.
Your adolescent crises are not welcome.
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[QUOTE=Prosal;1331471]I can speak only from my experience, but I find that by-and-large, the lower on the food chain the girl is, the sneakier she is. And consequently the relationship lacks of "passion" and of spontaneity. Lower class / poor girls are most often one-track-mind goldiggers. I remember that Doctor Skank said once that it's in their blood and called survival. Contrarily, higher social class girls often put out uncomplicated and passionate relationships. The bills are paid, they have no materialistic expectations or financial problems to solve and they only feel they need hot adventures otherwise they are missing out on life.[/QUOTE]Well, than I can assume you have no concept of the "jewel in the rough theory". In twenty years of post communism, you are assuming that folks in FSU have the same social securities as people out West. Skank just made a generalization, seems uncultured of you to stereo type people and not judge a person by his / her individual qualities.
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1331561]Well, than I can assume you have no concept of the "jewel in the rough theory". In twenty years of post communism, you are assuming that folks in FSU have the same social securities as people out West. Skank just made a generalization, seems uncultured of you to stereo type people and not judge a person by his / her individual qualities.[/QUOTE]I don't stereotype. I just depict how the world runs. I always been stunned by how some travellers (not just to FSU) can be genuinely disappointed to find that people in traditionally poorer countries actually have the same aspirations (and a desire to enjoy the same kind of lifestyle) as they do. For me they are missing the point. Poorer girls want to get higher on the status food chain. Period. And it's just normal. That said, I agree that for many of those girls, the way to get ahead is to work hard, be smart, innovate, learn, ect. But admittedly, many also try to harpoon a foreigner ONLY because they see a financial benefice to do so.
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Some need to wear Fucking Nappies as well.
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Tonight in Shooters, Irish Lad will be wearing 501's from Levi's and a T-shirt from M&S. Bound to score)
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Luck of the Irish.
[QUOTE=Irish Lad;1331644]Tonight in Shooters, Irish Lad will be wearing 501's from Levi's and a T-shirt from M&S. Bound to score)[/QUOTE]Bound to score for sure. The Irish Lad on a Wednesday night, usual table at Shooters.
Its not the label you wear, its the Looks and the Style, Got it?
Now repeat after me the above and jog on.
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[QUOTE=Yellowpaul;1331354]Sadly I never got to experience Shooters as I was denied entry LOL.[/QUOTE]Can't you look like an Irish Lad?
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[QUOTE=Irish Lad;1331644]Tonight in Shooters, Irish Lad will be wearing 501's from Levi's and a T-shirt from M&S. Bound to score)[/QUOTE]Thanks to get back on tracks (smilie). How is Shooters on a Wednesday night?
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A few pic
1) First pic is Julia from Mamba, not my girl but a fellow monger's taken at Sky Bar on Friday. Next to her is a girl I wanted but could not get that night.
2) Blonde is Natsy from Mamba $200 for all day & night and she has a amazing flat stomach. She's actually off to China soon with a Turkish guy she has never met yet.
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Clubs update
Just got back from all the strip bars,
Arena city cabaret has the most beautiful women, so friendly! I fell in love with my stripper! She wrote my email and gave me free private, whch was more of a romantic kiss seshion.
Shooters, Wednesday is gurls night! Men can't come till 12. But it is crazy bumping! Hookah bar in basement is nice to bring your women for quiet.
Uhmm lots of expats in shooters as well. Most of them horny old men LOL!
I've had plenty of sex in Kiev and never spent money for it. I only complain about how much money I spent partying.
Make up some half assed lie if you need, seem innocent and different. You will win.
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[QUOTE=Yellowpaul;1331354]Sadly I never got to experience Shooters as I was denied entry LOL.[/QUOTE]I also was declined on a Wednesday night at 12:30. I saw two different groups of guys about my age, well dressed, turned away. If you look at their photo gallery, the crowd is mostly twenty and thirty somethings. I have never been in the place, but if I was to guess, the days of this place being monger friendly are over.
If I was to try again, I would go on a day other than Wednesday and a lot earlier. I'm sure older expats have no problem entering once the door people know you. The door man clearly looked at only one thing, and that was my age.
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1331845]I also was declined on a Wednesday night at 12:30. I saw two different groups of guys about my age, well dressed, turned away. If you look at their photo gallery, the crowd is mostly twenty and thirty somethings. I have never been in the place, but if I was to guess, the days of this place being monger friendly are over.[/QUOTE]Just one question. Why you guys continue to go to Kiev repeatedly? I mean, there is many other places in FSU (and even in Ukraine for that matter) that are not invaded by sex-weaned tourists, where there is no disdain or distrust towards foreigners (or at least where it is not so blatant) , and where the women are not so spoiled and equally beautiful. Just asking, no polemic here.
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[QUOTE=Prosal;1331889]Just one question. Why you guys continue to go to Kiev repeatedly? I mean, there is many other places in FSU (and even in Ukraine for that matter) that are not invaded by sex-weaned tourists, where there is no disdain or distrust towards foreigners (or at least where it is not so blatant) , and where the women are not so spoiled and equally beautiful. Just asking, no polemic here.[/QUOTE]For me, I have to begin somewhere and Kiev seems just fine. The basics are all here: beautiful women, cheap sex, and needy girls.
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1331998]For me, I have to begin somewhere and Kiev seems just fine. The basics are all here: beautiful women, cheap sex, and needy girls.[/QUOTE]And the fact to be with other 10 000 foreigners doesn't disturb you? Personally, if I go to a club abroad and bump into dozens of sex-weaned foreign mongers (and consequently to be assimilated with them) , this is enough to send me into a tailspin of suicidal depression.
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1331998]and needy girls.[/QUOTE]By the way, those needy girls are included in your " "jewel in the rough theory", those who must be judged by their "individual qualities"? (rolleyes)
[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1331998]I can assume you have no concept of the "jewel in the rough theory", seems uncultured of you to stereo type people and not judge a person by his / her individual qualities.[/QUOTE]
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Everybody is a little right, but nobody is completely right. The reality is much more complicated. Hecker wrote some good anthropology. At the end, all behaviour models are simple as much as insufficient. At the end, it is not important what she thinks, but it is vital what he scores. Any method is good for the score. The best score is a steady relationship with a bisexual 90-60-90 young girl and to make a threesome once per month and to have two children and to keep the same sexual life after children. All the rest is time into the litter bin. The time is the most expensive appearance of money: Time = Money * C2. I am not an Irish Lad's fan, but he, as all Irish, doesn't reason a lot about that method or another, he just scores, and it seems he has found the right girl now.
[QUOTE=Prosal;1331471]I can speak only from my experience, but I find that by-and-large, the lower on the food chain the girl is, the sneakier she is. And consequently the relationship lacks of "passion" and of spontaneity. Lower class / poor girls are most often one-track-mind goldiggers. I remember that Doctor Skank said once that it's in their blood and called survival. Contrarily, higher social class girls often put out uncomplicated and passionate relationships. The bills are paid, they have no materialistic expectations or financial problems to solve and they only feel they need hot adventures otherwise they are missing out on life.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Prosal;1331889]Just one question. Why you guys continue to go to Kiev repeatedly? I mean, there is many other places in FSU (and even in Ukraine for that matter) that are not invaded by sex-weaned tourists, where there is no disdain or distrust towards foreigners (or at least where it is not so blatant) , and where the women are not so spoiled and equally beautiful. Just asking, no polemic here.[/QUOTE]Prosal. What other FSU cities would you recommend that have a better or similar scene?
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Here now.
Hey guys,
Sorry I'm a little behind on updating. I came in from another vacation and went straight into this one. I arrived in Kiev 2 days ago and already its been a hell of an adventure. I'm here with a couple of guys and we have 2 flats right on Kryshatik St (sp?) so we're right in the middle of all the action.
I'm kind of in a rush be / see the guys want to go grab some breakfast so I don't have time to report on the last 2 exciting days here but I just wanted to post up and see if some of you guys still wanted to meet up in the afternoon / early evening for a drink or two like we talked about a while back.
My number is a temp (will be off when I leave Kiev a week from now) so I don't mind posting it on a public forum: [blue][Telephone Number deleted by Admin][/blue]
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[QUOTE=Charisman;1332067]Prosal. What other FSU cities would you recommend that have a better or similar scene?[/QUOTE]Thre is about 11 000 km from Lviv to Vladivostok (west to east) and 5000 km from Murmansk to Samarkand (north to south). Pick your choice.
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[QUOTE=Prosal;1332006]And the fact to be with other 10 000 foreigners doesn't disturb you? Personally, if I go to a club abroad and bump into dozens of sex-weaned foreign mongers (and consequently to be assimilated with them) , this is enough to send me into a tailspin of suicidal depression.[/QUOTE]Foreigners are not the problem in Kiev, TBO I wish there were more. Competition is weak here in Kiev, most tourists just come for the weekends, take a look, and then go home never to return. Understand something, I didn't come to Kiev for drunken one nite stands, I didn't come here to just look at beautiful women, I came here to find girlfriends, lots of girlfriends.
You are a lucky guy Prosal, you live in Paris. It's true, every FSU girl wants to visit there. If I was in your place, I would probably just work the internet ready to provide lodging and guide to any pretty dev that wanted to visit your ridiculously expensive megalopolis.
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1332178]I came here to find girlfriends, lots of girlfriends.[/QUOTE]A needy girl and a GF are two different things.
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1332178]You are a lucky guy Prosal, you live in Paris. It's true, every FSU girl wants to visit there. If I was in your place, I would probably just work the internet ready to provide lodging and guide to any pretty dev that wanted to visit your ridiculously expensive megalopolis.[/QUOTE]Yes, I am a (part-time, smilie) guide for Russian women vacationing in Paris. Free guide. Furthermore, I provide boozing and dining, and if necessary a confortable accommodation in the epicenter. And sex. Talk about a nice situation for them!
More seriously, Paris isn't that expensive. You just need to avoid the "glam" and expensive venues. We got drunk with Bimbo Boy recently in my favorite bar, where I take ALL my Russian GFs, and the bill didn't exceeded 80€ for 16 mojitos and moscow mules (we also got two free rounds from the waiter). A few weeks ago SeanEZ came here (with a gorgeous 19yo lithuanian GF by the way, kudos Sean) , we had some cocktails in a good little bar near St Germain des Pres, was happy hour, some 4€ per cocktail.
Anyway, Russian blondishka. 23 yo. Witty, smart, indulgent, good drinker, ect. And a freak in bed.
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[QUOTE=Prosal;1331666]Thanks to get back on tracks (smilie). How is Shooters on a Wednesday night?[/QUOTE]A Wednesday is unmissable and I plan my flights abroad around being back in Kiev on a Wednesday. Sure, Kiev has changed over the last 7 years and I hear many reports and comments of "In the old days". However, there are many other destinations in the FSU where it's easier to pull. The benefit I guess of Kiev is access, comparable safety and a higher ratio of English speakers than some unspoilt areas. The competition in Kiev has increased but still nowhere high. Tourism is mostly restricted to the summer months.
For those with extra time on their hands and boldness in their hearts then the smaller cities in Ukraine are better for pulling. I haven't traveled to many other FSU countries but Bishkek and Chisneau were easy markets.
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Greetings from Kiev
Hi Guys. Haven't posted on ISG for years. I am an old man in late 20s now.
I have only been here for 1 night so maybe I am jumping the gun. Thought I'd give my first impressions.
I love this city, the architecture, the sense of history, the people are warm and friendly. But.
Sorry to say it but I was expecting big things and have been disappointed. I have walked the city all day with my friend in the sun, and I'm afraid that Ukranian women are a bit overrated. London is much better for variety and quality of women walking the streets. I'm sure this will [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] you all off but there needs to be a reality check here I feel. Don't get me wrong there Ukranian girls have great figures and great hair, but the hit rate is no higher than any other western european city.
Last night we went to buddha bar, and dlux but wasn't anything there to get my wallet out for particularly. No freebies in spite of chatting up anything with a pulse. Some nice chicks but just not enough of them. No particular interest in me or my friends. Too young? Too ugly? Who knows.
In desperation we went to the notorious Rio strip club. I asked my ukranian mate earlier (who had gone home) whether he recommended the place, expecting him to say no don't touch that expat dive but surprisingly he was quite positive about it. However.
When we got there at approx 3. 30am I couldn't believe my eyes. I thought we had gone to the wrong place. There were 2 tiny stages, and the girls were not even fully nude. Some were not even topless. WTF! Identified a couple of targets and with the help of the very friendly bar manager slash pimp managed to get them over to talk. Both wanted 300 bucks for 2 hours! Tried to bargain them down to 200 but they wouldn't even entertain it and seemed quite pissed off. I wasnt drunk or aggressive, I know how to behave I am not a yob. Are these prices normal? Didn't buy 'because they just weren't fit enough.
I'm afraid to say that I fear I am just another young western pickup artist coming to eastern europe expecting girls to be everywhere and who will throw themselves at him when in fact the reality is that for the older men Ukraine is a honey pot 'because the chicks are all about the benjamins, but for the younger male it's no better than anywhere else. I can drop 200 bucks and get laid in any european city including my own.
Will see how it goes over the weekend. Any advice of venue appreciated. Looking for semi-pros.
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[QUOTE=Bumhead111;1332261]Sorry to say it but I was expecting big things and have been disappointed. I have walked the city all day with my friend in the sun, and I'm afraid that Ukranian women are a bit overrated. London is much better for variety and quality of women walking the streets. I'm sure this will [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] you all off but there needs to be a reality check here I feel. Don't get me wrong there Ukranian girls have great figures and great hair, but the hit rate is no higher than any other western european city.[/QUOTE]With all due respect, you are just looking at that first layer of what is obvious to tourists. The hot girls of Kiev don't live in the center and few have any true reason to walk around K street. If you want to see really hot girls walking the city center, go to Moscow. If you want to see the beauty here, go to the nightclubs on weekends.
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[QUOTE=Bumhead111; 1332261]Hi Guys. Haven't posted on ISG for years. I am an old man in late 20s now.
I have only been here for 1 night so maybe I am jumping the gun. Thought I'd give my first impressions.
I love this city, the architecture, the sense of history, the people are warm and friendly. But.
Sorry to say it but I was expecting big things and have been disappointed. I have walked the city all day with my friend in the sun, and I'm afraid that Ukranian women are a bit overrated. London is much better for variety and quality of women walking the streets. I'm sure this will [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] you all off but there needs to be a reality check here I feel. Don't get me wrong there Ukranian girls have great figures and great hair, but the hit rate is no higher than any other western european city.
Last night we went to buddha bar, and dlux but wasn't anything there to get my wallet out for particularly. No freebies in spite of chatting up anything with a pulse. Some nice chicks but just not enough of them. No particular interest in me or my friends. Too young? Too ugly? Who knows.
In desperation we went to the notorious Rio strip club. I asked my ukranian mate earlier (who had gone home) whether he recommended the place, expecting him to say no don't touch that expat dive but surprisingly he was quite positive about it. However.
When we got there at approx 3. 30am I couldn't believe my eyes. I thought we had gone to the wrong place. There were 2 tiny stages, and the girls were not even fully nude. Some were not even topless. WTF! Identified a couple of targets and with the help of the very friendly bar manager slash pimp managed to get them over to talk. Both wanted 300 bucks for 2 hours! Tried to bargain them down to 200 but they wouldn't even entertain it and seemed quite pissed off. I wasnt drunk or aggressive, I know how to behave I am not a yob. Are these prices normal? Didn't buy 'because they just weren't fit enough.
I'm afraid to say that I fear I am just another young western pickup artist coming to eastern europe expecting girls to be everywhere and who will throw themselves at him when in fact the reality is that for the older men Ukraine is a honey pot 'because the chicks are all about the benjamins, but for the younger male it's no better than anywhere else. I can drop 200 bucks and get laid in any european city including my own.
Will see how it goes over the weekend. Any advice of venue appreciated. Looking for semi-pros.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you are aiming for cheap sex in the range of $100 / hour or less. If so, stick to girls you can find on mamba. Ru, or other websites. I have gotten some very nice girls this way for $75 or $100 per hour. You will need to contend with the "fake picture" problem of bait and switch tactics used by the website girls and agencies, but you can simply send away those girls that don't appeal to you with taxi fare and keep trying until something good looking enough shows up. There has been a lot written on this on this thread. Haven't you read the thread? You can also try to find cheaper girls of $100 / hr or less in the girl apartments that taxi drivers or shills can show you. Or you can go to nightclubs like Shooters, Avalon, Carribean, and try to find semi-pro girls or WG's that will agree to sex for $200/2 hours or less.
Oh, and unless you are prepared to at least read my prior posts on Rio (some of which you can find referenced on the Reports of Distinction thread) , I wouldn't bother going back there. You did it all wrong there and will probably just repeat your mistakes and get the same result. So first learn what to expect at Rio (the girls strip, over the course of several songs, down to their bikini thongs. The bikini bottom comes off only in a private dance) and how others have gotten good results there, by reading this thread, and then, if you are not scared off by a price tag of $300/3hours, maybe go there earlier and try again and you might just have a ball. Some of the errors that got in your way included things like coming way too late, or trying to negotiate lower price instead of more time. The price has been fixed by the club for a long time and the girls cannot change and so it cannot be budged. The only area of negotiating that will affect price is by negotiating to get more time for the amount paid, which makes the outlay per hour lower. If you take a hottie from Rio out at 9:00 PM, then there are potentially 8 hours until closing at 5:00 AM, and then the "all night" fee of $400 will get you 8 hours, which comes out to $50 / hour net. That's a low hourly price.
But if you don't care for the idea of spending $400 for all night, or even $300/3hours ($100 / hour net rate) , then you should stick to the lower priced options mentioned above.
Happy Mongering.
LJ
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Does anyone want to meet up in downtown Kiev this evening for drinks?
Some things came up at our Dubai office and I had to expedite my departure date, so I'll be flying out tomorrow evening. This evening will be my last, and if possible, would be nice to finally meet some of you folks from this forum. Perhaps after 6pm or so. Somewhere in the city center.
I have yet to visit Premiere Palace. Someone just decide on a place / time to meet and let me know of the Dress code and I'll be there.
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[QUOTE=Bumhead111; 1332261]Hi Guys. Haven't posted on ISG for years. I am an old man in late 20s now.
I have only been here for 1 night so maybe I am jumping the gun. Thought I'd give my first impressions.
I love this city, the architecture, the sense of history, the people are warm and friendly. But.
Sorry to say it but I was expecting big things and have been disappointed. I have walked the city all day with my friend in the sun, and I'm afraid that Ukranian women are a bit overrated. London is much better for variety and quality of women walking the streets. I'm sure this will [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] you all off but there needs to be a reality check here I feel. Don't get me wrong there Ukranian girls have great figures and great hair, but the hit rate is no higher than any other western european city.
Last night we went to buddha bar, and dlux but wasn't anything there to get my wallet out for particularly. No freebies in spite of chatting up anything with a pulse. Some nice chicks but just not enough of them. No particular interest in me or my friends. Too young? Too ugly? Who knows.
In desperation we went to the notorious Rio strip club. I asked my ukranian mate earlier (who had gone home) whether he recommended the place, expecting him to say no don't touch that expat dive but surprisingly he was quite positive about it. However.
When we got there at approx 3. 30am I couldn't believe my eyes. I thought we had gone to the wrong place. There were 2 tiny stages, and the girls were not even fully nude. Some were not even topless. WTF! Identified a couple of targets and with the help of the very friendly bar manager slash pimp managed to get them over to talk. Both wanted 300 bucks for 2 hours! Tried to bargain them down to 200 but they wouldn't even entertain it and seemed quite pissed off. I wasnt drunk or aggressive, I know how to behave I am not a yob. Are these prices normal? Didn't buy 'because they just weren't fit enough.
I'm afraid to say that I fear I am just another young western pickup artist coming to eastern europe expecting girls to be everywhere and who will throw themselves at him when in fact the reality is that for the older men Ukraine is a honey pot 'because the chicks are all about the benjamins, but for the younger male it's no better than anywhere else. I can drop 200 bucks and get laid in any european city including my own.
Will see how it goes over the weekend. Any advice of venue appreciated. Looking for semi-pros.[/QUOTE]I am in my mid 20s and for me Ukraine dose feel like a heaven. Dlux, budda is about the worst places I could think of finding a hot dievuska for a night. Try to think of what disadvantages FSU men do have and make it into your advantage. You need first to understand how these women think. Only thing they need is an illusion, passion and to feel human. My gf was avoiding sex with her ex bf and there is several reasons for it, now she is screaming for dikk. And I am not say I am worlds greatest lover, but there is many components to get them there a small bricks you put together like a puzzle.
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[QUOTE=Tomux 22;1333628]/// Dlux, budda is about the worst places I could think of finding a hot dievuska for a night. ///[/QUOTE]Buddha & Dlux are perhaps not so easy but at least you can find there some "hot" girls, if you speak Russian, choose the right girl & know what to say.
I doubt you will find same quality in shooters / vodka bar or local live music pubs.
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Kiev Newbie Report 2012
After getting back and getting a chance to reflect back on my first trip to Kiev, hopefully it might be useful of other newbie's heading out there.
1) Accommodation: Apartment is the way to go, I used Airbnb with the link to the place below which a beautifully restored apartment with a nice balcony, Jacuzzi and a sauna. The best part was it located at next door to a McDonald's and a Metro station where I could easily meet people as I prefer that to letting a girl that I have not met before come to the apartment.
[url]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/52676[/url]
2) Strip Clubs: I was disappointed with Rio. We could not get a table as it was a busy Friday night and most of the girls I thought looked like they had a lot of mileage on them. Drinks were expensive as I paid about $140 Gurvina HRY for a Grey Goose on the rocks. Also went to Star Rhino at 11:30 pm on a Sat night and I was surprised how dead it was. I got a dance from a super hot 20 year old who acted more a Go Go dancer then turning me on. She even refused to take off her bottom despite it was suppose to a private dance ($200HRY for 2 dances). I guess such is service in the FSU.
3) Clubs. I hit up Buddha Bar where is seemed it was the playground for the rich American's business type's. Oddly there were more guys then women when I was there on Sat night. Avalon hit it up on the a Wed night with lots of working girls. I always look for a vibe with a girl. For instance if they refuse to have alcoholic drink with me it's a sign as they end up being all business and I usually go with my instinct on this and move on. Took home a average looking 33 year old for $200 but I guess she would have taken even $100 for all night and she did a great job and left at 8am. Went to D'Lux twice and Sky Bar on Friday night. Where face control always make sure to look at my shoes! I found that with a large amount of regular girls on the weekends it was not always easy to tell who was working and who was not. Basically if you add up the cover, drinks, taxi and having a late night since the clubs don't get busy to almost 1am it can be a expensive and late night. 1 night we did get bottle service at D'Lux with a great table right in front of the dance floor, it felt great like I was back in Vegas. Personally I would only use clubs as back up on my next trip. The going rate seemed to be $200 for 2-3 hours for "8" type of girl.
4) Websites. Mamba offered the best value but it really requires and a lot planning and effort. I had a few girls I paid only $200 for all day and night. Best was a 20 year old who never asked for money up front and was eager to please.
Overall: The semi-pro market is what really interests me but that will require a lot of more effort and to build contacts as the amount of quality women is quite outstanding on the streets but it also requires knowing basic Russian. Another website I did use was rabota. Ua which a normal job seeking website where I got a lot response for regular girls who willing to be a English translator for $10 hour. I decided not to go with this option it might have potential in the future.
PY
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Busy days
Had some pleasant days in Kiev and guess I should submit a report. ISG notes and advice help a lot, so keep writing, and start writing, those of you who haven't.
My last day I had planned an evening-date with a 40 yo. Freebie (I already sixty). Still I I was horny in the morning hours and tried to connect to contacts from Mamba, but they were either busy at university or out of town for the day. Took a walk in the afternoon, dressed on purpose like a crazy foreigner, and what do you know? On Basseyna a guy tries to hand me out cards, very discreetly. Asked him if I could see and he took me to meet three girls, but none of who appealed to me, so I gave him 50hra peaceoffering and left. Saved some 600hr there. Waited for my date, went for dinner with her and then into apartment. Made some photos of those endless long legs and still perky tits, which ultimately led to great, endless sex, even when waiting for taxi she came twice! Great girl, fourth time we meet, and I could fall in love with her! She has a regular job and daughter, overnight was not an option.
But this was my last night and I did not want to sleep too much, so at 1 am I went to Avalon, as this is very close. Few people as this was mid-week, maybe 20-30 studentkas and 5-10 older pretty obviously working their way through the night. I went dancing and then had a drink at the bar. Very soon a thirtyish tall amazonian looking girl spoke to me. Real beauty with a body to keep your hands busy, but I didn't fancy her at the time. Regrettably I didn't ask for her phone for later, but her name was Anna (not Anastasia, as I suggested). Anyway, I had already spotted another on the dance floor, even taller student girl, but she had left, so I was on my way out when I met her on the stairs. Quickly established contact and offered her something to eat, as I wasn't sure on what terms she was there. Her name was Jana. 180 and 21yo, she was with a friend. To make the story short, she came for fun in my apartment, total sensation in bed, but very strict on her time frame. Guess that is a good presupposition for practicing dentist, which she said she is studying. She wanted out of bed much sooner than I had estimated. This pissed me off, but I would meet her again sometime for 200 USD.
It never stops to amaze me how many different types of girls you find in Kiev. I am talking about looks. The men all look the same, except some are thin, some are fat and some very fat. And, yes, some are darkhaired, some are grey, and some are bald. But the women, there is a constant wonder. You have typical slavic devushkas with strong face, there are blackhaired and brunette latinas, asian looking girls, you have scandinavian country-girls looking like Claudia Schiffer, voluptous blonds a la Pamela Anderson, there are birdie-like brunettes like Vicky Beckham, friendly-face turkish girl, some look like egyptian queen or greek goddess. There is no end to this, and this is only the outward look, then there are probably more types if you go into the psyche. But basically, all of them come to some stage, and then they want sex. That is something we have to do s-g about! So keep busy.
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About mamba
Hi guys, I need help about mamba. I was member of mamba for 1 year. Never put porn photos, never disturb other people by rude messages. Etc. My profile was blocked about 1 month ago. And after that, I tried to register mamba several times. I cleared cookies, changed ip address even even I used different phone numbers and different mail address to register each time. I can register succesfully. But when I upload my photos, mamba blocks my profile immediately. First I thought the system recognize the names of image files. I changed the names of image files. It doesn't work. Mamba still bans me. Second, I use my new photos. But still, as soon as I upload my own photos,"moderator" rejected my photos and my profile is banned immediately. So I decided to make a test. I found random men photos from google. Even some of them is nude. I uploaded randomly. Moderator approved photos. My profile is not banned. However, as soon as I upload my real photos again, the profile is banned again. What the f*ck? There is anyone to know what is happening? Before I really spend good money in mamba. Some days 50 $ I spend at once. I never make spams. There are many profiles full of adult photos and prostitution and mamba approved them. But my photos permanantly banned. How can it be possible? As I said, I tried to register with different phone numbers, different photos, ip address, different names. Didn't work. Mamba can recognize my face and block my profile as soon as I upload my real photos. i upload my real photos. after seconds, i see that my photos rejected by "moderator" and i got this mesage :
"Some uploaded photos do not meet posting guidelines Unified Dating. Therefore, they have been rejected and some time will be permanently removed from the system. When re-posting photos not meet posting guidelines, your profile may be blocked."
And after that, my profilee is blocked. i tried to register maybe ten times. all same. rejected photos and blocked my profile.
How can it be possible? What I can do to join mamba again? Last time they deleted my profile that I had just upload 100 $. This is really rip off.
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[QUOTE=Roll Buzz;1333971]But the women, there is a constant wonder. You have typical slavic devushkas with strong face, there are blackhaired and brunette latinas, asian looking girls, you have scandinavian country-girls looking like Claudia Schiffer, voluptous blonds a la Pamela Anderson, there are birdie-like brunettes like Vicky Beckham, friendly-face turkish girl, some look like egyptian queen or greek goddess. There is no end to this, and this is only the outward look, then there are probably more types if you go into the psyche.[/QUOTE]Many people think that FSU girls are all pale and skinny blondes. They are dead wrong. They obviously know nothing about the history of this part of the world. They also surely never heard of the Tatars, Mongols, Khazars, Turks, ect ect invasions. FSU population is the result of centuries of tumultuous history and mixes. Whatever a look a guy is into, if he doesn't find it in FSU, it is probably that it doesn't exist (granted, save black and meztico). Guys who say that Brasil has the most ethnically various population in the world talk out of their ass. FSU has the most ethnically various population in the world. And as a side note, Uzbekistan is where it is the most obvious.
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Please help me. I cannot register mamba. I really can't understand what this is.
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Kiev break '12 Memoirs of an ageing monger. (cont'the from 2011).
Night one.
Enough of the fashion tip stuff – here's the real thing, packed with useful tips for middle aged twats like me who just want to eff pretty gals.
Wiz air from Luton – 12. 50 pm, £150 return. Parking in nearby compound. Because of airport based hassles, had to run to the plane arriving sweating and upset. Hadn't realised new 'one cabin bag' policy meant my shoulder bag had to be emptied out, then was challenged over size of plastic liquid bag. Usual long security queues. I will buy priority security route in next time. At least extra leg room option on plane made it a slightly less uncomfortable two and a half hours.
I stay at Partner Guest House – 19 Baseina St which has been great in the past three years, but this time room a bit pokey. £270 for five nights. Lift temporarily broken – a drag having to walk to my appt on floor seven. Stupid key system locked me out of my room – more panic as I was awaiting a massage girl from Evita at the time– I had used `Dolly 'in the past – very nice but only hand job allowed. I got further with these guys (choice of 2 sevens sent) for $100 and was very happy, although much pissing around with excuses for lateness dragging on and on . Which seems typical and makes timing of taking 150mg Viagra for maximum effect a bit tricky. Had shower and a walk round the town – bought basic food from nearby supermarket on edge of nearby Kreschatic St (Same thug guys hanging about, same sad alkies all over the place) and went back to sleep.
Day 2.
Woke with raging horn and spent ages attempting to find a girl from erotic massage sites. Dolly not answering phone, Evita only speaking Russian, Euphotia messed me about for two hours and I gave up on them– I must have spent a fortune on calls – as couldn't get local SIM card to work. Eventually found the number for 'Best' on this site posted by ClimaxNow in early Sept) , popped 100mg, to be on the safe side and waited 'till they sent a pretty long legged girl for $125. Took an hour and numerous chasing calls to the agency 100 yards away. These girls give true GFE – where do they learn that – to cuddle and look after you so passionately and lovingly, smile at you. If only my ex wife etc. Anyway, thoroughly sorted now. After the morning of passion I am completely despunked and totally relaxed. A pleasant walk about the Arena Amusement place opposite and a salad over the road girl watching. There is no understanding of customer care – long waits for things and defensiveness. The waitresses are better but there seems to be a culture of downright ignorance and aggressiveness from guys here. Back to listen to the news quiz on the computer and a nice milky coffee.
The divisions here are huge and obvious with matt black land rover Brabus and big new bmw x5s on the road versus the have not and never will haves. This is exactly what is happening in the uk with city workers and grubbing politicians
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Try this. Simple trick once helped me out: by sign-in, click 'forgot my password, ' and Mamba will ask for your email address you made registration from, send message to it, which you have to confirm. Then Mamba (or their server) will send new password. This did the trick for me, with this new password I could access my profile again. Guess they simply had some trouble in the system and could not respond to all customers.
If not successful, write administration. I think sending money will not help.
[QUOTE=PlantMagic;1334227]Please help me. I cannot register mamba. I really can't understand what this is.[/QUOTE]
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I tried it. Didn't work (Says your profile is blocked bla bla bla. I have photos more than 400. Each time I open new profile, I upload different 5-6 photos. But I just don't understand one point : as soon as I upload my photo, systems says me "moderator rejected your photo" this happens after 1 second I upload my photo. How they can recognize me? Many photos. All different places, different clothes. But if I upload another man's photo, system approves it. Even if it is a nude man photo. I asked the moderator maybe ten times, but no answer.
I open a new profile, I upload several photos, my profile would be blocked after minutes. I really don't understand what is this. I don't write anything about "financial support" or something else in my profile page. Even I don't have time to send messages to girls because immediately my profile is blocked. Now I am mongering on vk and loveplanet. Ru I really don't understand what mamba tries to do! I decided to be register mamba with fake photos because all is fine with fake photos. But really it is impossible for mamba to recognize my identity from my photos.
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[QUOTE=PlantMagic; 1334443]I tried it. Didn't work (Says your profile is blocked bla bla bla. I have photos more than 400. Each time I open new profile, I upload different 5-6 photos. But I just don't understand one point : as soon as I upload my photo, systems says me "moderator rejected your photo" this happens after 1 second I upload my photo. How they can recognize me? Many photos. All different places, different clothes. But if I upload another man's photo, system approves it. Even if it is a nude man photo. I asked the moderator maybe ten times, but no answer.
I open a new profile, I upload several photos, my profile would be blocked after minutes. I really don't understand what is this. I don't write anything about "financial support" or something else in my profile page. Even I don't have time to send messages to girls because immediately my profile is blocked. Now I am mongering on vk and loveplanet. Ru I really don't understand what mamba tries to do! I decided to be register mamba with fake photos because all is fine with fake photos. But really it is impossible for mamba to recognize my identity from my photos.[/QUOTE]The mamba moderator is probably a girl you didn't call back)
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[QUOTE=PlantMagic; 1334443]I tried it. Didn't work (Says your profile is blocked bla bla bla. I have photos more than 400. Each time I open new profile, I upload different 5-6 photos. But I just don't understand one point : as soon as I upload my photo, systems says me "moderator rejected your photo" this happens after 1 second I upload my photo. How they can recognize me? Many photos. All different places, different clothes. But if I upload another man's photo, system approves it. Even if it is a nude man photo. I asked the moderator maybe ten times, but no answer.
I open a new profile, I upload several photos, my profile would be blocked after minutes. I really don't understand what is this. I don't write anything about "financial support" or something else in my profile page. Even I don't have time to send messages to girls because immediately my profile is blocked. Now I am mongering on vk and loveplanet. Ru I really don't understand what mamba tries to do! I decided to be register mamba with fake photos because all is fine with fake photos. But really it is impossible for mamba to recognize my identity from my photos.[/QUOTE]Dear Plantmagic,
Possibly, Pua88 may be close to right. It seems obvious from your descriptions that your face is being recognized by the mamba administrator (s) as a problem person that should be blocked. You haven't told us much of the history leading up to your first being blocked. Perhaps some of your comments and messages were not appreciated by one of the girls who is a member of the site. It really doesn't take much to get one of the prima donna's on mamba upset enough to complain. I have gotten the moderators message about perhaps I was too aggressive in my approach to the little darling, blah, blah, blah and I should rethink my approach or I may get blocked. And this was after a very benign and innocuous message like "are your pictures truly real?". So she hit the complaint switch on me. I'm sure if the moderator looked they would have seen that the uproar by the girl was unfounded. The girl herself continued to talk to me on the telephone. Imagine what would be the reaction if something really assinine was written by some guy. So justly or unjustly they have gotten your number and the moderator wants to block and ban you.
But it's not all bad. Because why isn't it ok for you to use a fake profile picture. The girls all do it. Just select someone that reasonably resembles you. Just make sure to inform whoever you get interested in, very early on, that you have sample photos on the site, but that you are happy to email them your real pictures. I would not tell them the real reason you use fake pictures is because of being banned by moderator of mamba. That will only generate concern in the new girl. Instead, tell them it works best for your privacy to do it this way. Many would argue that using fake pictures on mamba profile is the preferred way, anyway.
LJ
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Memoirs of an ageing monger (cont'd.)
Friday, night 3 of 5.
A nice start to the day at the cafe opposite. Food not so cheap here. Omelette bread and 2 coffees £12. Spent the day dozing, bathing and listening to radio 4 on the computer. I don't really want to wander about this time, it's so humid and hilly and what's to see apart from huge traffic and endless shops and offices.
In the evening, rang salon Evita who promised two girls with possible lesbi action and strap on. Something I have never tried since a near miss in the school library when the bigger boys cornered me fifty years ago. However, I couldn't wait, so opted for a 'kissing massage' from salon Dolly. I asked for a slim busty girl. Roslana turned up after twenty minutes before the 50mg had started to work-not really my type-nicely solid – pictures accurate. No mouth kissing, no pussy eating and no fingering unfortunately-lots of artificial moaning as the elderly gentleman downstairs grew respectably engorged under her ministrations, with a hasty massage to follow the blessed relief-and all for the best part of £43 including a 50gn tip. I can get this in the uk from Bubbles or Vixens without the expense of the fare and so in, but there isn't the feeling of freedom.
One of these days I must have a proper holiday rather than these escorted European excursions for my penis.
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[QUOTE=PlantMagic;1334443]I tried it. Didn't work (Says your profile is blocked bla bla bla. I have photos more than 400. Each time I open new profile, I upload .[/QUOTE]Sounds strange. Have you tried to register flirt. Com. Ua, or love. Ujut. Net? Different names but same database as Mamba. You get access to everything, except your contacts from the old account, regrettably. I have been blocked by administration, probably for annoying girls with messages in English when they don't understand much English. Since then, I once got a message from the moderator with the hint that the girl was not happy with my correspondence and I should probably be more careful in my messages. There was IMHO no insult in my messages, the girl probably just lost her nerves and blocked me.
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I tried all. Flirt, love. Mail. Ru. All. The result was same. It is about my photo. It is impossible to detected my face each time for mamba moderators. There must be another trick. Maybe a software that aouto detected faces. I don't know. I just understand that I must say mamba good bye forever. I can only be a member with fake photos. But the most strange thing is, I never made anything to deserve permanent ban. I think mamba's policy about mongering changed. They don't like such sentences in our messages " I can support you financially". But again, it is impossible to ban a client permanently. Even facebook is not so strict!
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Mamba
[QUOTE=PlantMagic;1334625]I tried all. Flirt, love. Mail. Ru. All. The result was same. It is about my photo. It is impossible to detected my face each time for mamba moderators. There must be another trick. Maybe a software that aouto detected faces. I don't know. I just understand that I must say mamba good bye forever. I can only be a member with fake photos. But the most strange thing is, I never made anything to deserve permanent ban. I think mamba's policy about mongering changed. They don't like such sentences in our messages " I can support you financially". But again, it is impossible to ban a client permanently. Even facebook is not so strict![/QUOTE]Hello,
If they accept a fake photo, you can upload your real photos in other album (miscellenous Album). And may be after few days or weeks you can try to uplaod your real photo in the main Album, and may be it would work.
Good luck
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Girls from Kiev as opposed to girls from abroad in Ukraine
Has anybody noticed that prostitutes that come from Kiev perform worse and are less serious than the girls that come from abroad in Ukraine? It kind of makes sense too, because a girl that relocates has to survive on her own and does not have the option of running back to mommies house. My imagination or is there some truth to this?
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[QUOTE=Me and You; 1334701]Hello,
If they accept a fake photo, you can upload your real photos in other album (miscellenous Album). And may be after few days or weeks you can try to uplaod your real photo in the main Album, and may be it would work.
Good luck[/QUOTE]They don't accept my photos to miscellenous album, too. I tried it.
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Memoirs of an ageing monger (cont'd.) night 5 of 5 final
Panic!. I think the viagra and all the strenuous shagging has detached my retina. Christ, how long 'till I get back and check into Moorfields 24 hour emergency. Just rest now, forget about further debauchery. Delete all the web sites bookmarks. Tidy up. This is when you realise just how far away from home you are and with no Russian in this very Russian place, how vulnerable you are.
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1334816]Has anybody noticed that prostitutes that come from Kiev perform worse and are less serious than the girls that come from abroad in Ukraine? It kind of makes sense too, because a girl that relocates has to survive on her own and does not have the option of running back to mommies house. My imagination or is there some truth to this?[/QUOTE]I can not verify this theory, but only because, I regret to admit, there is serious lack of data here. Relocation can also produce more commitment to their task, I. E. Service, I can imagine. I have in my mind the idea that Romanian girls abroad provide more GFE than most others, at least when treated with some respect.
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Fb
[QUOTE=PlantMagic;1334872]They don't accept my photos to miscellenous album, too. I tried it ([/QUOTE]I have logging in through the Facebook option since I was blocked. Just make sure to remove any FB pictures currently up that you don't on Mamba and also the "hide" option if you don't want your FB contacts seeing your on Mamba.
PY
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[QUOTE=Limarian;1335083]Panic!. I think the viagra and all the strenuous shagging has detached my retina. Christ, how long 'till I get back and check into Moorfields 24 hour emergency. Just rest now, forget about further debauchery. Delete all the web sites bookmarks. Tidy up. This is when you realise just how far away from home you are and with no Russian in this very Russian place, how vulnerable you are.[/QUOTE]It's painful. I've had a cornea (or maybe it was retina) fracture in Tashkent. I've always thought that it was because of a brawl in a bar I've had the day before, but now that you mention that an extensive absortion of V and Cialis could have caused it, this could also explain it (I just made a small research on google and actually, it seems that V can be the cause of retina problems). Anyway, yes, this is the kind of health trouble that you don't need when you are in a FSU city and when you don't speak the language. Best is to find an international clinic for expats, the staff of most five stars hotels can give you the information. But it's actually more difficult when you are in a second-tier city or a small town. In Tashkent, happily I found a eye-clinic where I had to go every day during almost one week to plaster my eye and change the bandage (taht covered half of my face). The only good thing is that girls pampered me at the pool, the bars, ect. (smilie)
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President Hotel. Kiev / Kyiv. I am here!
I am here at the President. It was named something similar back in 2004. It is now 2012, and I ask for 2012 information.
Not staying long enough to wander through Kyiv. And never felt the websites are a good source. The bar downstairs is probably good enough to buy pussy. .
So who has a favorite here in the President? Name? Do I find her in the lobby tonight? The casino? Deep throat? Anal? What makes her so good in 2012? I am here for several nights so keep answering gentlemen! Thanks.
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Well. No, still means no.
[quote=liljoey; 1329873]i think what pedro says does make sense, in a situation where there are reasonable grounds to suspect any element of coercion of the girls to do something they really do not want to do.
my two cents.
lj[/quote]guys, we have no clue of how the relation or employment of the girls in a club works. if she says 'no' and adds 'i have a period' to reaffirm (especially when they do not have the period) , i think it is safe to take them for their word: they don't want to fuck you. putting pressure on them, at their place of work, is imho totally wrong. it is clear they don't want to, and their intent is what one should respect unless we enjoy [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url]. i enjoy (probably need) to screw as much as my energy, viagra and my wallet allow. if the girl is difficult to get, probably even more, as it is a challenge of conquest, seduction or higher price. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] is not in my menu, by a long shot. what adults consenting adults do, is up to us. forcibly fucking a chick because she fears her bosses, losing her job, is not ok with me. they know they get a lot more money than what they get paid for dances, and they still come up with the 'i have the period, no' answer, there is no way to put that in a good light as consensual. we all draw the line somewhere (i hope) , and mine is right there. if she is a ***** that took you for a lot of money, flirts with you, gets you hard in your own place and after milking you (your wallet!) wants to walk away leaving you naked with blue balls, then we can discuss. but this is not the case when a dancer at a club refuses to go to your home and get fucked. especially in a kleptocracy where finding jobs that pay anything is so difficult, where guys leave girls pregnant to fend for themselves. it is particularly sick. i would not want that in my consciousness.
as for dancers going out on a romantic date with you. forget about it! dancers have a few cardinal rules, and one of them is never to date a guy they met at a club: the guy will never forget about her job, the girl can always be reminded of that forever, the guy likes to go to clubs and screw around (the girl knows that). they may appear dumb, but most of them are not stupid.
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Obstetrics
[QUOTE=AColonizer; 1330051]Hello,
I am looking for young girls available for deep fistings: who can suggest some tested young girls for deep fistings?
Thanks for help.[/QUOTE]Hi, more than 4 fingers is quite unusual, especially on a young girl. In top-modals some offer fisting, never read 'deep fisting' offered, but you can try. Sure, the head of a baby is bigger than your fist, but they use epidural for that trip out. Don't forget latex gloves, lots of cream, cut and file your nails smooth. Maybe a career in Obstetrics?
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Mamba
[QUOTE=Arkiloko; 1330599]I'm on mamba, chatting with a lot of nice girls and women from Kiev.
But I've found few wg or prof.
If you know how to find escort on mamba please tell me.
I've looked at relaxportal too. Every girl is a topmodel and prices are cheap.
But I've seen a lot of sites like this and I got a lot of doubts.
I tried google on a phone number, just like an experiment:
This 20 why old dark angel from relaxp.
[url]http://relaxportal.biz/eng/prostitutki-kieva/4850/[/url]
Got the same number of this 25y blonde skinny girl.
[url]http://www.top-modals.com/?id=6308[/url]
And some other add on relaxp have the same number.[/QUOTE]I thought I found some real treasures in Mamba and in top-modals, till I followed somebody's advice here: most of them were escort agencies. It broke my heart! Bitches! LOL I still managed to find a civilian from Mamba and fucked the shit out of her, but would not repeat, it was not even a 7.
I guess the only way is to go to the usual caffees and see what you will get, make the offer (get them drunk, seduce them, etc.) so you know what you are bringing home. Girls from Gia are the ones in photos, but a full 3 points less (on a scale of 1 to 10) thanks to Photoshop. They are also expensive. Someone told me that River Palace action is now at a new location, but did not know the location. If anyone can confirm this, it will be priceless.
I still have my oficial GF there, so I got my action every day, but nothing beats variety, and did not have a lot of that. Just came back after 2 weeks there. Never been to Donetsk, but I hear they have the best of UA, but they are not professionals so it takes some work. I have more money than time (or great looks) so that will probably not work for me. Shit.
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Yes, they blocked me now, and I can
[QUOTE=Sponsor74;1330935]I guess is not allowed phone numbers and the risk is to block the account? Is this correct?[/QUOTE]Yes, they blocked me, but 90% of the 'treasures' I found last, turned out to be escort agencies and the girl was non-existant. So fuck Mamba, it does not work anymore.
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Airport hassle
[QUOTE=Sponsor74;1330944]In my last 2 trips after Euro Football it seems a big improvement in this issue and no more these experiences in Kiev's airport. Regarding other airports sorry no experiences[/QUOTE]I never had a problem at the airport in Kiev, and I landed there some 60 times in the past 6 years.
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And?
[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1331105]I only go to D'lux for one reason. On Friday's and Saturday's, this place draws nice girls from outside Kiev central that come to enjoy the music, dance, and show off there beauty. Yes, there are a lot of flashy ball busting b*s mixed among the crowd. But what is really amazing to see are the beautiful girls with Kmart clothes that did not get caught up in the sponsoring deal. These are the girls where I can feel the strongest chemistry. It's almost shocking how they will look and dance at me more than some good looking twenty something foreign fella. I'm almost bald now, forty something, yet my ability to present myself as a nice and secure man allows me to attract girls here in Kiev.[/QUOTE]Climax, do you get into their panties? All the fun and dancing is great, but it ends there? Sincerely interested.
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Thanks, good update!
[QUOTE=Yellowpaul; 1333898]After getting back and getting a chance to reflect back on my first trip to Kiev, hopefully it might be useful of other newbie's heading out there.
1) Accommodation: Apartment is the way to go, I used Airbnb with the link to the place below which a beautifully restored apartment with a nice balcony, Jacuzzi and a sauna. The best part was it located at next door to a McDonald's and a Metro station where I could easily meet people as I prefer that to letting a girl that I have not met before come to the apartment.
[url]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/52676[/url]
2) Strip Clubs: I was disappointed with Rio. We could not get a table as it was a busy Friday night and most of the girls I thought looked like they had a lot of mileage on them. Drinks were expensive as I paid about $140 Gurvina HRY for a Grey Goose on the rocks. Also went to Star Rhino at 11:30 pm on a Sat night and I was surprised how dead it was. I got a dance from a super hot 20 year old who acted more a Go Go dancer then turning me on. She even refused to take off her bottom despite it was suppose to a private dance ($200HRY for 2 dances). I guess such is service in the FSU.
3) Clubs. I hit up Buddha Bar where is seemed it was the playground for the rich American's business type's. Oddly there were more guys then women when I was there on Sat night. Avalon hit it up on the a Wed night with lots of working girls. I always look for a vibe with a girl. For instance if they refuse to have alcoholic drink with me it's a sign as they end up being all business and I usually go with my instinct on this and move on. Took home a average looking 33 year old for $200 but I guess she would have taken even $100 for all night and she did a great job and left at 8am. Went to D'Lux twice and Sky Bar on Friday night. Where face control always make sure to look at my shoes! I found that with a large amount of regular girls on the weekends it was not always easy to tell who was working and who was not. Basically if you add up the cover, drinks, taxi and having a late night since the clubs don't get busy to almost 1am it can be a expensive and late night. 1 night we did get bottle service at D'Lux with a great table right in front of the dance floor, it felt great like I was back in Vegas. Personally I would only use clubs as back up on my next trip. The going rate seemed to be $200 for 2-3 hours for "8" type of girl.
4) Websites. Mamba offered the best value but it really requires and a lot planning and effort. I had a few girls I paid only $200 for all day and night. Best was a 20 year old who never asked for money up front and was eager to please.
Overall: The semi-pro market is what really interests me but that will require a lot of more effort and to build contacts as the amount of quality women is quite outstanding on the streets but it also requires knowing basic Russian. Another website I did use was rabota. Ua which a normal job seeking website where I got a lot response for regular girls who willing to be a English translator for $10 hour. I decided not to go with this option it might have potential in the future.
PY[/QUOTE]How much the D'Lux table sat you back? Did you call girls to the table, or they approached?
Regarding the 20yr old from Mamba. Can you clue us in how to find her? I am sure she will appreciate the business referral.
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Just cheat
[QUOTE=PlantMagic; 1334028]Hi guys, I need help about mamba. I was member of mamba for 1 year. Never put porn photos, never disturb other people by rude messages. Etc. My profile was blocked about 1 month ago. And after that, I tried to register mamba several times. I cleared cookies, changed ip address even even I used different phone numbers and different mail address to register each time. I can register succesfully. But when I upload my photos, mamba blocks my profile immediately. First I thought the system recognize the names of image files. I changed the names of image files. It doesn't work. Mamba still bans me. Second, I use my new photos. But still, as soon as I upload my own photos,"moderator" rejected my photos and my profile is banned immediately. So I decided to make a test. I found random men photos from google. Even some of them is nude. I uploaded randomly. Moderator approved photos. My profile is not banned. However, as soon as I upload my real photos again, the profile is banned again. What the f*ck? There is anyone to know what is happening? Before I really spend good money in mamba. Some days 50 $ I spend at once. I never make spams. There are many profiles full of adult photos and prostitution and mamba approved them. But my photos permanantly banned. How can it be possible? As I said, I tried to register with different phone numbers, different photos, ip address, different names. Didn't work. Mamba can recognize my face and block my profile as soon as I upload my real photos. I upload my real photos. After seconds, I see that my photos rejected by "moderator" and I got this mesage :
"Some uploaded photos do not meet posting guidelines Unified Dating. Therefore, they have been rejected and some time will be permanently removed from the system. When re-posting photos not meet posting guidelines, your profile may be blocked."
And after that, my profilee is blocked. I tried to register maybe ten times. All same. Rejected photos and blocked my profile.
How can it be possible? What I can do to join mamba again? Last time they deleted my profile that I had just upload 100 $. This is really rip off.[/QUOTE]If they accept your profile with some other stupid photo, just put that photo and go with it. Don't worry, most girl photos are not real either.
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[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1335415]As for dancers going out on a romantic date with you. Forget about it! Dancers have a few cardinal rules, and one of them is NEVER to date a guy they met at a club.[/QUOTE]Some guys here might contradict you, but I guess that they would even bother to answer to such a ridiculous statement. I've had adventures with strippers in Romania, in Russia, in Moldova and in Uzbekistan.
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I am planning a trip to Kiev for late November. In advance of it, I opened an account on mamba. Ru and started sending messages. So far, it seems to me that most of the responses I got are from pros (or agencies posting as independent girls). I am not surprised that that is the case, what I am surprised is that everybody who gave me any details on what they provide indicated that all services are with condom (I understand that as no BBBJ). Of course, all responses I received were in Russian and I used an online translator. Am I missing something here? I was in Kiev like 10 yr ago and BBBJ was not difficult to find.
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To PedroToronja
[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1335426]I thought I found some real treasures in Mamba and in top-modals, till I followed somebody's advice here: most of them were escort agencies. It broke my heart! Bitches! LOL I still managed to find a civilian from Mamba and fucked the shit out of her, but would not repeat, it was not even a 7.
I guess the only way is to go to the usual caffees and see what you will get, make the offer (get them drunk, seduce them, etc.) so you know what you are bringing home. Girls from Gia are the ones in photos, but a full 3 points less (on a scale of 1 to 10) thanks to Photoshop. They are also expensive. Someone told me that River Palace action is now at a new location, but did not know the location. If anyone can confirm this, it will be priceless.
I still have my oficial GF there, so I got my action every day, but nothing beats variety, and did not have a lot of that. Just came back after 2 weeks there. Never been to Donetsk, but I hear they have the best of UA, but they are not professionals so it takes some work. I have more money than time (or great looks) so that will probably not work for me. Shit.[/QUOTE]Hello Pedro, sorry for you, seems your trip got the wrong way. Some top-models profiles seems reliable (there are some client comments on those profiles). Did you try all the profiles you posted and all of them got fake? Have you been to Rio?
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[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1335433]Climax, do you get into their panties? All the fun and dancing is great, but it ends there? Sincerely interested.[/QUOTE]D'Lux is a glam show, lots of fun, but not so easy to pull. Nope, I never got into anyone's panties from that venue but I have no doubt I will. After a total of two months in Kiev, it's almost impossible to not develop a group of girlfriends. As long as you are a dissent person and have some form of sex appeal as a man, it's all the pussy you want in that town.
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[QUOTE=Flsailor;1335729]I am planning a trip to Kiev for late November. In advance of it, I opened an account on mamba. Ru and started sending messages. So far, it seems to me that most of the responses I got are from pros (or agencies posting as independent girls). I am not surprised that that is the case, what I am surprised is that everybody who gave me any details on what they provide indicated that all services are with condom (I understand that as no BBBJ). Of course, all responses I received were in Russian and I used an online translator. Am I missing something here? I was in Kiev like 10 yr ago and BBBJ was not difficult to find.[/QUOTE]I don't want to sound preachy, but isn't it good to know that pros and angencies posting as independent girls demand safe sex? STDs are easily transmitted by BBBJ, I would not take any risk in this part of the world. For uncovered sex I point out that it is easy and not expensive to make a test in one of the many clinics, and have the girl make it too, but you have to wait some days for results.
To find a english speaking freebie, I think you would have to upgrade your profile (pay for membership) so you can search for girls like: "speak english" and "living with parents". With some luck you will connect. Intimate contact with such a girl is more likely to include uncovered, and also to be safer than with a pro. Best of luck. PS: those translating machines are not very accurate and can provide huge misunderstanding. My friends always laugh out loud when I use the Russian provided by translating sited.
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Have You?
[QUOTE=Ronaldinjo;1335774]Hello Pedro, sorry for you, ? Have you been to Rio?[/QUOTE]Over 2 you Pedro?
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Mamba
[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1335430]Yes, they blocked me, but 90% of the 'treasures' I found last, turned out to be escort agencies and the girl was non-existant. So fuck Mamba, it does not work anymore.[/QUOTE]Ninety per cent of Mamba is in fact escort agencies / salons. The other ten per cent tends to be girls above college age. When you really start to take mamba seriously, it does not take much to understand what you are dealing with. I had this false notion in my head that maybe an occasional student would market herself independently through Mamba, but this is rare in Kiev. You have to understand that a young girl probably does not have the business acumen to operate alone and will need support from somebody. As in most things in life, the girls need the boys to survive.
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[QUOTE=Ronaldinjo;1335774]Hello Pedro, sorry for you, seems your trip got the wrong way. Some top-models profiles seems reliable (there are some client comments on those profiles). Did you try all the profiles you posted and all of them got fake? Have you been to Rio?[/QUOTE]Rio in Brazil or that strip club for the lazy and stupid. Just look at the posts from You and Me to see how those who make the effort can get super results on Mamba or in a bar. It's Wednesday, ladies night in Shooters and no one goes home alone!
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1336058]Ninety per cent of Mamba is in fact escort agencies / salons. The other ten per cent tends to be girls above college age. When you really start to take mamba seriously, it does not take much to understand what you are dealing with. I had this false notion in my head that maybe an occasional student would market herself independently through Mamba, but this is extremely rare in Kiev. You have to understand that a young girl probably does not have the business acumen to operate alone and will need support from somebody. As in most things in life, the girls need the boys to survive.[/QUOTE]You using the same Mamba as the rest of us?
I would guess 10% agencies. 50% looking for serious relations 20% semi-pros looking for sponsorship and 20% open to offers but not actively seeking sponsorship. I have been on Mamba 7 years and can tell you that many girls there have in fact 2 profiles, one for serious relations and one for rent money. Even your Budda bar / D'lux girls asking $300 are available for $125 (1, 000 UAH) on Mamba.
One of my best friends went to River palace a few years back and bumped in to his personal assistant. Another friend met a girl on a "serious date" only to meet her a week later in Arena working the bar. As for dating a stripper. There are no negative issues with that. Every girl knows her man will cheat. As for the man "remembering" his girlfriends a stripper. What's the problem? No ones ashamed. Borat's sister is the 4th best prostitute in Kazhakstan!
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[QUOTE=Irish Lad; 1336068]You using the same Mamba as the rest of us?
I would guess 10% agencies. 50% looking for serious relations 20% semi-pros looking for sponsorship and 20% open to offers but not actively seeking sponsorship. I have been on Mamba 7 years and can tell you that many girls there have in fact 2 profiles, one for serious relations and one for rent money. Even your Budda bar / D'lux girls asking $300 are available for $125 (1, 000 UAH) on Mamba.
One of my best friends went to River palace a few years back and bumped in to his personal assistant. Another friend met a girl on a "serious date" only to meet her a week later in Arena working the bar. As for dating a stripper. There are no negative issues with that. Every girl knows her man will cheat. As for the man "remembering" his girlfriends a stripper. What's the problem? No ones ashamed. Borat's sister is the 4th best prostitute in Kazhakstan![/QUOTE]I am referring to the straight p4p on Mamba, basically the one hour meetings. Yes, I understand there is another world on Mamba that deals with relationships and more complicated forms of sponsorship. That's why I have one Mamba profile with fake pictures for prostitutes and one with real pictures for regular girls.
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Recent visit
[QUOTE=Ronaldinjo;1335774]Hello Pedro, sorry for you, seems your trip got the wrong way. Some top-models profiles seems reliable (there are some client comments on those profiles). Did you try all the profiles you posted and all of them got fake? Have you been to Rio?[/QUOTE]Don't be sorry, I put to good use all my Viagra stash. Of Top-Modals I only called one, Veronika, that looked amazing and said on the listing that she speaks English, but the lady who answered did not speak English and would not call Veronika to the phone either. That was the only one from there. From Mamba I called a few, and they all were agencies but one, which I scored good, but it was a 7, nothing to brag about. One from Mamba that was extraordinary (in photos) , gave me address in English on the phone, even when I was at the door she told me to come up to meet her and promised she was the one on the photo. I went up and a fat ugly woman was there together with a slighltly better one, but not even close to the one on Mamba's pic and none of them spoke English. The one I was on the phone may have been miles away. Anyway, I had a great time.
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Romantic adventures with strippers and hookers
[QUOTE=Prosal;1335661]Some guys here might contradict you, but I guess that they would even bother to answer to such a ridiculous statement. I've had adventures with strippers in Romania, in Russia, in Moldova and in Uzbekistan.[/QUOTE]And how much those romantic adventures cost you?
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As for that club.
[QUOTE=Ronaldinjo;1335774]Hello Pedro, sorry for you, seems your trip got the wrong way. Some top-models profiles seems reliable (there are some client comments on those profiles). Did you try all the profiles you posted and all of them got fake? Have you been to Rio?[/QUOTE]Sorry, forgot to reply to your last question. I have been there on previous trips and it is a complete waste of money. I want to get laid, not fucked.
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Let me put it simple.
[QUOTE=Jojosun;1335983]Over 2 you Pedro?[/QUOTE]Rio sucks. Been there, done that. Not any more. It is a trap.
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Need Info
I need any infos on websites that have independents stripclubs that do takeout and sex clubs also salons. I do not know ukrainian and Russian. TY
Mikepop
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Rio
[QUOTE=Ronaldinjo;1335774]Have you been to Rio?[/QUOTE]I was at Rio on a Tuesday night. The talent seemed a notch lower than what I remember in March. I won't go again, the girls were just not hot.
One interesting observation was that I saw three older Tony Soprano types pull three girls out of that place. I'm not sure if they were Ukrainian but they did have there own car. It seemed odd that three locals just plopped down a thousand US for three really average village girls. I was confused. I thought these guys were suppose to be getting it for free out there. It didn't make any sense.
By the way Ronald, I always found it interesting how the letters RIO nicely spell out in your user name and that's all you ever ask about. The place must be your destiny.
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This week in Kiev
Been here working for the week, needed some action. Monday I had an hour at Salon Dolly, average massage from Sasha followed by a very nice oily tit wank which did the biz and she had nice large breasts, nice for UAH350. This afternoon called a girl advertising on Top Modals, she gave me her address and so I turned up for a 1 hour session. Maybe the girl in the pics not sure as the face was masked but she had very large breasts and was 18. 1 hour later, covered BJ followed by 2 pops with DFK which was only because we clicked and that I know because she got very very wet. She made sure I kept her number as says she will not be doing this for long. I was very satisfied for UAH400 +50 tip. Very sweet girl doing this to pay her way through college in Kiev but she is from Liviv. I will definitely call her again next time in Kiev, a real gem.
Kiev very hit and miss but I got lucky today!
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Viagra and retinal detachment
[QUOTE=Prosal;1335325]It's painful. I've had a cornea (or maybe it was retina) fracture in Tashkent. I've always thought that it was because of a brawl in a bar I've had the day before, but now that you mention that an extensive absortion of V and Cialis could have caused it, this could also explain it (I just made a small research on google and actually, it seems that V can be the cause of retina problems). Anyway, yes, this is the kind of health trouble that you don't need when you are in a FSU city and when you don't speak the language. Best is to find an international clinic for expats, the staff of most five stars hotels can give you the information. But it's actually more difficult when you are in a second-tier city or a small town. In Tashkent, happily I found a eye-clinic where I had to go every day during almost one week to plaster my eye and change the bandage (taht covered half of my face). The only good thing is that girls pampered me at the pool, the bars, ect. (smilie)[/QUOTE]They were very helpful. Actually taking me to the local hospital. Usual crap when I tried phoning lloyds travel insurance 'our offices are now closed' etc. A good tip is that you should make sure you have the emergency tel no. To hand just in case. Moorfields told me just floaters. Can be blasted with laser but dangerous. Give it time. May clear. I see there is a viagra alternative called MUSE which you either inject as a solution into your dong or insert as a tiny pellett. Hugely expensive but I will give this a try and report back.
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Hello
[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1336139]Don't be sorry, I put to good use all my Viagra stash. Of Top-Modals I only called one, Veronika, that looked amazing and said on the listing that she speaks English, but the lady who answered did not speak English and would not call Veronika to the phone either. That was the only one from there. From Mamba I called a few, and they all were agencies but one, which I scored good, but it was a 7, nothing to brag about. One from Mamba that was extraordinary (in photos) , gave me address in English on the phone, even when I was at the door she told me to come up to meet her and promised she was the one on the photo. I went up and a fat ugly woman was there together with a slighltly better one, but not even close to the one on Mamba's pic and none of them spoke English. The one I was on the phone may have been miles away. Anyway, I had a great time.[/QUOTE]Pedro, why you didn't insisted with topmodal girls? Are the pics there relible?
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In Kyiv for the weekend. Looking for a Sensei.
Any experts out there up for showing a novice the ropes?
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Top-Modals
[QUOTE=Ronaldinjo;1336412]Pedro, why you didn't insisted with topmodal girls? Are the pics there relible?[/QUOTE]I say the hit and miss is similar to Mamba. 80% are fake.
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Are we on the same Mamba?
[QUOTE=Arkiloko; 1330599]I'm on mamba, chatting with a lot of nice girls and women from Kiev.
But I've found few wg or prof.
If you know how to find escort on mamba please tell me.[/QUOTE]The trick is trying to find girls on Mamba who are NOT escorts or pros!
First, most girls in the "New Faces" section. Those two rows of photos on the home page. Seem to be pros or sponsorship girls. I guess they pay a premium to appear there, or there is some algorithm that selects them?
Second, any time you see a 22 year old girl specifying an age range for the man of her dreams as 18-60, that is a pretty good indicator!
Third, seeking "friendship" seems to be the new euphemism for P4P. I don't know why, and it must not be consistent, probably some actually are looking for friendship, but it seems to be a commonality between the girls mentioned above.
It is a pity Mamba removed the criteria that allowed both parties to specify "sex for money". It removed all the nonsense and ambiguity. Of course there were many girls without pink profiles who were still some version of P4P, but at least it allowed clarity for those willing to be direct.
I disagree with whoever was talking about 80% fake profiles. Sure there are lots of fake profiles, but if you focus on profiles with many photos (I ALWAYS ignore profiles with a single photo) , showing the girl in real life situations (especially travel) and non-modelling shots, you have a pretty good chance that she is real, although sometimes older and heavier than the photos show.
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13th 14th Oct in Kiev
Who is around in Kiev today and tomorrow?
It would be nice to check some few joints together in the evening.
I rented an apartment nearby Arena so we can meet up nearby.
I did some research yesterday and just then and found the following price range.
Avalon, Buddha: USD 200/2-3 hours.
Sorry Babochika: USD 150/2-3 hours.
Brothels in Kiev: USD 150/1 hour
Mamba girls: Grivna 400-500/1 hr (in and out calls) Some insisted to come immediately to my place when I am still recovering from yesterday's action.
Street: Grivna 200-400 / quick shot.
SKY bar did not let me in because I was wearing Nike shoes. Perhaps tonight and I like to go with some one and share each other all findings.
My age: 39.
Race: Asian.
Occupation: just an ordinary businessman.
Area of expertise: FSU, Eastern Europe.
Addiction to mongering: since 24 years
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[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel; 1336716]The trick is trying to find girls on Mamba who are NOT escorts or pros!
First, most girls in the "New Faces" section. Those two rows of photos on the home page. Seem to be pros or sponsorship girls. I guess they pay a premium to appear there, or there is some algorithm that selects them?
Second, any time you see a 22 year old girl specifying an age range for the man of her dreams as 18-60, that is a pretty good indicator!
Third, seeking "friendship" seems to be the new euphemism for P4P. I don't know why, and it must not be consistent, probably some actually are looking for friendship, but it seems to be a commonality between the girls mentioned above.
It is a pity Mamba removed the criteria that allowed both parties to specify "sex for money". It removed all the nonsense and ambiguity. Of course there were many girls without pink profiles who were still some version of P4P, but at least it allowed clarity for those willing to be direct.
I disagree with whoever was talking about 80% fake profiles. Sure there are lots of fake profiles, but if you focus on profiles with many photos (I ALWAYS ignore profiles with a single photo) , showing the girl in real life situations (especially travel) and non-modelling shots, you have a pretty good chance that she is real, although sometimes older and heavier than the photos show.[/QUOTE]I've met a number of girls on Mamaba over the years, some I dated for long periods. The ones in the United States and the UK are real profiles for the most part. In EE you will need to put in work to find 'fresh' P4P profiles. I find it easy to meet normal girls there but then you are up for wasting time on dating. In Moscow and I think in Ukraine now as well I would say if you write to a girl first and get an instant response with address / number / price it's an agency and the girl in the profile is zero what the girls in the apartment will be once you get there, so be careful. Once you start chatting with a girl ask if she likes gifts, ask if you could add her vkontakte. If she adds you it's a good chance she's a real person. One more thing mamba has feature to put one's profile to the top and I think the cost is one dollar. 'Friendship' never heard before, it's a good one if it's true. Mamba is trying to cleanup when effectively the entire EE female population is P4P directly or indirectly, what a dumb move on their part.
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I've tried the search engine but failed to succeed.
Are hotels in Kiev mostly GF friendly? My reference are the most popular hits using hotels dot com.
Thanks
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Kiev oct 15-19
Anyone need a wing man or willing to show a novice around? Would be cool to roll with someone who knows how it works here. I'm staying in Kiev by Buddha bar.
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Top Model agency. Legitimate?
Reading a few posts on these forums and had a look atsome of the agency links plus top-modals. Com. There are one or two girls of interest to me (although one may not speak any English and my Russian consists of about 5 words) at the top-modals site but it seems a cheap and not sure how legitimate it is due to agencies being renowned for fake photos, bait and switch etc.
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Anyone around and want to hit the city tonight in Kiev?
I'm 37, well dressed, white guy from California.
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Sure
[QUOTE=JayCZ35; 1338017]Anyone around and want to hit the city tonight in Kiev?
I'm 37, well dressed, white guy from California.[/QUOTE]Sure man! I am 37 White Male in Kiev also. Let me know where? Maybe Arena area?
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In Kiev!
I have heard that Kiev is dead unitl Wed-Sun. I am currently in Kiev for a few weeks needs some info on GF hotels and places to go that are not rip off's. Cheap to middle of the road p4p and normal disco's to go too. Anyone here want to have a beer give me a shout as well.
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Gia. La
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[QUOTE=WilliamStewart;1337590]Reading a few posts on these forums and had a look atsome of the agency links plus top-modals. Com. There are one or two girls of interest to me (although one may not speak any English and my Russian consists of about 5 words) at the top-modals site but it seems a cheap and not sure how legitimate it is due to agencies being renowned for fake photos, bait and switch etc.[/QUOTE]Photos are generally fake like Mamba. There is a reasonable chance of getting an acceptable one. If you don't like, you will be asked to pay the Taxi money (USD 10) and it is unlikely that they serve you again.
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[QUOTE=LongWang;1337394]Anyone need a wing man or willing to show a novice around? Would be cool to roll with someone who knows how it works here. I'm staying in Kiev by Buddha bar.[/QUOTE]Try Buddha bar, Deluxe, Caribbean and Patipa. Asking price USD 200-300.
You may also like to try Mamba. Ru and top-Modal and escort-Modal. Com agencies.
You may get from USD 50-USD200
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[QUOTE=Zimmerbaby; 1337004]I've tried the search engine but failed to succeed.
Are hotels in Kiev mostly GF friendly? My reference are the most popular hits using hotels dot com.
Thanks[/QUOTE]Most 4-5 stars are guest friendly. In Some three stars or lower you may have to bribe the security US 20 approx.
I usually stay at Khreschatyk Hotel and that certainly is very guest friendly
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[QUOTE=Zimmerbaby; 1337004]I've tried the search engine but failed to succeed.
Are hotels in Kiev mostly GF friendly? My reference are the most popular hits using hotels dot com.
Thanks[/QUOTE]If you take girl to room late at night (maybe after 11pm) you have to pay the "friendly" security guy, especially if they recognize the girl. Even when I managed to get past the concierge, they soon made visit to my room and wanted security money, some 50uah. I put up a struggle, because I had a doublebed booked, but he and the girl both persisted. Probably supporting girlz at the bar, willing to talk and walk to room. But I have experience only from Lybid Hotel.
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[QUOTE=Zimmerbaby;1338309]Thank you guys![/QUOTE]No problem. I always use apartments, where you don't have to think about this. But your question is very frequent in many forums, I really never understood why not ask the reception when you make reseervation or when you arrive? Then you can also ask, if the girl in reception is pretty, for her tel number, or if it is a guy, if he can recommend some girl and tel number. Just a thought.
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Hi here I am (Italy. 42 ys. Old)
[QUOTE=JayCZ35; 1338017]Anyone around and want to hit the city tonight in Kiev?
I'm 37, well dressed, white guy from California.[/QUOTE]If you like we can meet for checking some girls?
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Hi somebody in Kiev want to go out these night?
I am italian. 42 ys. Old, want to join the nightlife today or tomorrow.
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Here I am too. 42 ys.
[QUOTE=WorldWideHitch;1338074]Sure man! I am 37 White Male in Kiev also. Let me know where? Maybe Arena area?[/QUOTE]Give me the time and twhich place.
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An apartment instead
[QUOTE=Roll Buzz;1338175]If you take girl to room late at night (maybe after 11pm) you have to pay the "friendly" security guy, especially if they recognize the girl. Even when I managed to get past the concierge, they soon made visit to my room and wanted security money, some 50uah. I put up a struggle, because I had a doublebed booked, but he and the girl both persisted. Probably supporting girlz at the bar, willing to talk and walk to room. But I have experience only from Lybid Hotel.[/QUOTE]For about $100 to $130 you can get an apartment with a bedroom, living room and kitchen, and no security people at the door to deal with. Is much better option, more private, WG prefer them (some won't go to certain hotels) and is perfectly safe. I have done that for 6 years now.
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200/300 USD for what? For an overnight, I say!
[QUOTE=Global Surfer; 1338169]Try Buddha bar, Deluxe, Caribbean and Patipa. Asking price USD 200-300.
You may also like to try Mamba. Ru and top-Modal and escort-Modal. Com agencies.
You may get from USD 50-USD200[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Global Surfer;1338169]Try Caribbean[/QUOTE]The Russian version of their web site "caribbean com ua" says they're closed for repairing. Anybody knows is it true of I've found wrong Caribbean? Where is it located in Kiev?
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[QUOTE=Jose Cuervo;1338412]The Russian version of their web site "caribbean com ua" says they're closed for repairing. Anybody knows is it true of I've found wrong Caribbean? Where is it located in Kiev?[/QUOTE]I visited Kiev more than 6 months ago so obviously my information is not up-to-date. It's a mix club with both pros and normal civilians and that is why I like it. English version does not say anything. If you are in Kiev you can just call them and ask.
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[QUOTE=AColonizer;1338395]200/300 USD for what? For an overnight, I say![/QUOTE]In Buddha bar, they usually they ask USD 200/300 per hour. I have negotiated the price to USD 200 for 2 hours.
In my opinion the best value for money is Mamba. I usually paid between USD 60 to 100 per hour. None of them were time watchers. However, one hour means one shot. Some of them were happy to spend the night for USD 200.
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In Kiev Now, threesome. Foursome?
After being disappointed with the girls in Buddah Bar and the Hotel Lobby I came across a really nice girl at Mantra. We have been seeing each other often over the past couple of weeks. Last night she dropped this info on me: She wants me to include another couple or man the next time we get together. Unfortunately, I really don't know anyone in Kiev that might be interested in this, as my friends are all married and would not go for this. Is there anyone on this forum that wants to talk about this with me?
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Barbie
I thought this was interesting.
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/ukraines-disturbing-barbie-flu-beauty-trend-095000167.html[/url]
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[QUOTE=Global Surfer; 1338479]In Buddha bar, they usually they ask USD 200/300 per hour. I have negotiated the price to USD 200 for 2 hours.
In my opinion the best value for money is Mamba. I usually paid between USD 60 to 100 per hour. None of them were time watchers. However, one hour means one shot. Some of them were happy to spend the night for USD 200.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. It depends on the negotiation with so many variable factors like the vibe you get form the girl, the time of night, how attractive she is, etc. I remember turning down a brunette from D'Lux who would not move from $200 and she wanted minimum $250. She would not even commit to any period of time except to say you will be "happy". I just took her number instead of taking her that night.
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[QUOTE=Yellowpaul; 1338788]I thought this was interesting.
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/ukraines-disturbing-barbie-flu-beauty-trend-095000167.html[/url][/QUOTE]The "mukla" (Russian barbie) or better "glamurnoe kiso" (ultra glam and ultra materialistic devushki with excessive suntan, excessively siliconed lips and tits) trend is big since a few years in FSU.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2941-Russian-Women-Opinions-and-Advice&p=1272090&viewfull=1#post1272090[/url]
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Re: Barbies
The VERY GOOD englishrussia site make some funny reportages about this trend.
[url]http://englishrussia.com/2012/07/09/looks-like-halloween-but-it-is-not/[/url]
[url]http://englishrussia.com/2012/07/27/who-is-the-fairest-of-them-all/[/url]
I especially like this one, glamurnoe village girls (smilie)
[url]http://englishrussia.com/2012/10/03/glamour-at-its-worst/[/url]
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Caribbean club
Very nice club and atmosphere, mixed people, old, young, dancing and having fun, work every night. And yes, there are some working girls in the club operating, I pick up from there few nice ones, no bombs (or 10, how somebody like to call them) , but you can chat with them and fool around before you make a decision. There was some nice looking working Milfs too. But remember. They will all start with price of 200. 300 $ for their services, but will very fast come to the 80. 100 $ for hour or two of fun. Just tell them that you come to Kiev often and that you always pay no more then 100$. Do not spoil the market!
And all girls do OWO & CIM / COF, I still am not find hooker or even a regular girl in Kiev who have something against that.
Good luck to all
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[QUOTE=Kyyv1;1338706]After being disappointed with the girls in Buddah Bar and the Hotel Lobby I came across a really nice girl at Mantra. We have been seeing each other often over the past couple of weeks. Last night she dropped this info on me: She wants me to include another couple or man the next time we get together. Unfortunately, I really don't know anyone in Kiev that might be interested in this, as my friends are all married and would not go for this. Is there anyone on this forum that wants to talk about this with me?[/QUOTE]Why don't you ask her to bring a girlfriend of hers? Just for the fun. It would solve your dilemma and make her happy) was an idea.
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[QUOTE=Roll Buzz;1338929]Why don't you ask her to bring a girlfriend of hers? Just for the fun. It would solve your dilemma and make her happy) was an idea.[/QUOTE]Hey Roll Buzz. Because she specifically asked for another man or another couple.
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Somebody in Kiev tonight
For some mongering action?
I am 42 ys. From Italy.
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Avalon was packed with working girls yesterday. The usual 200 USD per 1-2 hours, that can be negotiated down to 150 for a quick shot. I like to party in the evenings so just collected numbers to meet the girls in the day. Daytime you get away with ca 100 USD and still the girl takes home more $ than if you take her in a club, due to no kickback / security to the club, no drinks, cheaper transportation, etc.
The freelance price goes up if the club is more expensive, so you will pay much more in for example D'lux for the same lady.
Mamba has been kind to me, and ever more so my friends here on ISG. You know who you are, so thank you for sharing and keep an eye on your inbox more my contributions!
B
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[QUOTE=Global Surfer;1338166]Photos are generally fake like Mamba. There is a reasonable chance of getting an acceptable one. If you don't like, you will be asked to pay the Taxi money (USD 10) and it is unlikely that they serve you again.[/QUOTE]Did a quick google images search on a couple of them and plenty of met-art matches. Beautiful girls, but probably fake.
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D
Have anyone lost a white and black beaded necklace last Saturday 13th in D'Lux?
The waitress gave it to me thinking that it is my friend's necklace.
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[QUOTE=WilliamStewart;1339992]Did a quick google images search on a couple of them and plenty of met-art matches. Beautiful girls, but probably fake.[/QUOTE]Still no harm in trying. You may be surprized by the quality. Interviewing is fun anyway.
In my opinion Mamba is the best option considering value for money. Top-Model and escort-model are also worth trying
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Anyone want to meet up?
I am in Kiev until October 29th.
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Kiev- mamba help
Hi fellow members.
Had 2 mamba accounts and today cannot sign in both. So all my Ukraine and Poland contacts lost. Tried restoring the password and after a few attempts got accessed denied with a nice message liking me to an anti Putin terrorist.
1) anyone experience this.
2) should I move house.
3) is this my mongering career over. Is this my equivalent of the River Palace being towed away.
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[QUOTE=Monsoon64; 1341063]Hi fellow members.
Had 2 mamba accounts and today cannot sign in both. So all my Ukraine and Poland contacts lost. Tried restoring the password and after a few attempts got accessed denied with a nice message liking me to an anti Putin terrorist.
1) anyone experience this.
2) should I move house.
3) is this my mongering career over. Is this my equivalent of the River Palace being towed away.[/QUOTE]3) Yes this is your mongering career over.
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Gia. Ua / girls
Wanted to get info about the gia. Ua / girls the website is it any good?
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Fake
[QUOTE=Vinny78;1341336]Wanted to get info about the gia. Ua / girls the website is it any good?[/QUOTE]Keep looking down. All fake pics.
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Why interested?
Why do you ask about Gia specifically? Isn't this a crap agency?)
[QUOTE=Vinny78;1341336]Wanted to get info about the gia. Ua / girls the website is it any good?[/QUOTE]
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Banja
Hello,
I will be next week in Kiev and want to meet girls. Unfortunately I cannot use hotel for meeting, therefore I thought about visiting a banja with one or two ladies. Can someone advise a banja near city center which is working already on afternoon?
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Banja / Gia
Hello,
I will be next week in Kiev and want to meet girls. Unfortunately I cannot use hotel for meeting, therefore I thought about visiting a banja with one or two ladies. Can someone advise a banja near city center which is working already on afternoon?
With regard to Gia: Last year I had date with some of their girls. Pictures on the net are generally okay and you can rely on their services. I can recommend Olga ([url]http://gia.la/photo/olga10/18.jpg[/url]). What I do not like is their high prices. Especially in comparison to Buddha Bar or Avalon.
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Kiev New Year's Eve
Hi all,
I plan to be in Kiev for New Year's Eve.
Anyone there during this period for drinks or else?
I would be grateful also if any kind mongers are willing to share P4P phone contacts.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers.
Eros
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The Good Old Days
The Kiev Post just published a bit of nostalgia about River Palace. Here's the link.
[url]http://www.kyivpost.com/guide/about-kyiv/remembering-river-palace-314970.html[/url]
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The "Neck"lace
Oh my god! Thank you. Yes, I do miss it, although it is not a necklace, but a cocklace.
Made in China. I wrap one of them around my cock each time I go out to clubs and let he girls get an idea of the two presents they get when they go home with me.
I lost one last weekend. Meet for a beer? I then tell you the story how I met my wife in Kiev and proposed with a diamond cock piercing in the Avalon mensroom! .
[QUOTE=Japansh; 1340085]Have anyone lost a white and black beaded necklace last Saturday 13th in D'Lux?
The waitress gave it to me thinking that it is my friend's necklace.[/QUOTE]
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Nice hard boners.
Anybody have any good tips on how to achieve a good natural erection. I refuse to take Viagra. I stopped watching porn, my arranged appointments are mostly in the day time, I don't jerk off too much, and I try to fuck college aged girls only. Am I missing anything?
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Hi guys,
I may go to Kiev in the next months but asking several questions.
I've read several pages of this forum but can't find anything about streetworking girls. There's not any area where there are some? If yes, do they generally take you to their place (for short term) and for which price?
Have a good day,
Thanks.
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1341747]Anybody have any good tips on how to achieve a good natural erection. I refuse to take Viagra. I stopped watching porn, my arranged appointments are mostly in the day time, I don't jerk off too much, and I try to fuck college aged girls only. Am I missing anything?[/QUOTE]There are many factors involve including but not limited to your age, atherosclerosis and whether or not you are diabetic.
The only general advice is egular aerobic exercise for at least half an hour. Yoga may also help. You may see things improving in 2-3 months.
Some people may recommend herbal Chinese medicine but beware that one such preparation in London they found Sildenefil (Viagra)
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[QUOTE=IAlvsg; 1342078]Hi guys,
I may go to Kiev in the next months but asking several questions.
I've read several pages of this forum but can't find anything about streetworking girls. There's not any area where there are some? If yes, do they generally take you to their place (for short term) and for which price?
Have a good day,
Thanks.[/QUOTE]You may find them close to Mango on kreschatik but its a hit or miss.
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Raise your hands who finds this thread needs more reports? I better elate a recent day in Kiev. It was the first of ten.
Arrived at dinner time and met my complementary transfer, which was included in my Last-minute-deal with Guesthouse. My friend Sasha had added credit to my number so there was no problem getting service for my number from last visit and start calling on the way to the city.
First call was Jenna, a new contact on Mamba I had promised to call when I arrived, but as happended before, she bailed and did not return my call all evening. So my next option was my old friedn Sasha. Well. 21 os not old, but I have been meeting her several times, and she is always nice except for always being late by one or two hours. When you know about this, it is not so bad. We hit it wonderfully together and she slept in my arms until eight, when she had to attend classes apparantly. I am not so sure she does much academic work, maybe she is working on her carrier as a musician in a band. Never asks for money but gladly receives a gift for rent, like this time 1200uah.
Anyway, at arrival I had texted and made appointment at noon with a little-English-speaking devuschka, who confirmed this answering my sms at 11. Got her number from Mamba, real photo arrived timely, stunning 24 year old blond, which by the way I don't really fancy, but she was 178cm, beautiful curves and a shy smile most of the time. Very pleasant and wanted to escort me dancing in the evening. Which I did not act upon. 1000 uah and she left after two hours.
Called another old flame, Anya 28 (but probably older) , and she was very persistant to go for an early dinner, also wanted to choose restaurant, which I denied, remembering warnings of bait&switch. Close by my apartment is this nice beef restaurant on Shota Rustavelli, that someone had recommended in this forum. We went there and had a very enjoyable meal together, she has been long in business and told me about her past experiences. But I did not fancy going with her to my apartment at this moment, and the service in this restaurant was all about getting as much money from your card as possible, so I suggested going somewhere else for coffee and cake. She suggested Premier Palace, which is rather posh and historic, but pleasant. She told me there is high-class bar with some nice high-class bar-flies in the vicinity. Don't remember anyone referring to this hotel, but here it is, somewhere close to Volodimyrska and Maidan. We agreed she would take me to clinic for STD-test Monday morning. Gave her some taxi money an left her there with some excuse about my friend from the company.
Was thinking maybe visit Rio, which I have neglected for very long, but decided to go to Avalon first to see the lineup, and it was thin for a Friday night. I like to dance, and blond seemed to be my lucky number this day. For a while this blond girl, getting rather drunk, got my attention, and vice versa, but when I wanted to invite her a drink she was already at the bar in the company of some foreigner who seemed to have charmed her and her sister with his generosity. But soon it became obvious he had had to much at the bar and had difficulties leaving on his own, and the sisters had no interest in helping him. Trying to be a gentleman, I told them I wanted a quiet place to have something to eat and they offered to show me the way to the restaurant downstairs, where we all sat down and inspected the menu, made some photographs and laughed a lot. But then they advised me to go to a much cheaper and just as nice restaurant close by, and excorted me there. We got some sushi and came to agreement they could both overnight with me and have 300 dollars for travelling back home in the afternoon. I don't tell details about what happend in bed but it was very pleasant for all of us. Kate 24 and Vika 29 looked very much alike, still were no sisters, but cousins. Woke up at eleven, all very vigorous and hungry, and the girls agreed to go out for some food. One of them left her bag but took my key and 300uah. Two hours later they had not returned and I had bad feeling about this. Could not leave the apartment without a key, and my phone soon had no credit anymore. So I called the agency and told them I needed a spare key. Two minutes later Kate and Vika return with food, and admit that they had gone on a shopping spree downtown with my 300uah. Everybody was happy and after having some food we had a short session in bed again. Then I threw them out before 5pm, they were going to their village again, but willing to come again. Maybe I call them next time in Kiev.
Lesson: drinking too much yourself at the bar can deprive you of the pleasure of two nice girls, better offer drinks to others. Most of the time, the girls are nice and will not screw you, but when they do, it is very uncomfortable. Show patience, women appreciate if you can wait.
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Apartments
Has anyone got any links to tried and recommended apartment they have used recently.
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[QUOTE=Roll Buzz; 1342186]Raise your hands who finds this thread needs more reports? I better elate a recent day in Kiev. It was the first of ten.
So my next option was my old friedn Sasha. Well. 21 os not old, but I have been meeting her several times, and she is always nice except for always being late by one or two hours.
Anyway, at arrival I had texted and made appointment at noon with a little-English-speaking devuschka, who confirmed this answering my sms at 11. Got her number from Mamba, real photo arrived timely, stunning 24 year old blond, which by the way I don't really fancy, but she was 178cm, beautiful curves and a shy smile most of the time. Very pleasant and wanted to escort me dancing in the evening. Which I did not act upon. 1000 uah and she left after two hours.[/QUOTE]Thanks for great report. I know the profiles are not permanent and I have no chance of visiting Kiev before February but still would you mind sharing the links to the profiles in this forum. Thanks again
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[QUOTE=Global Surfer;1342116]You may find them close to Mango on kreschatik but its a hit or miss.[/QUOTE]Yes I imagine. Thanks for the info Global Surfer.
I'm kind of confused for the ways of getting girls in Kiev compared to other locations in the world.
1) In Kiev, the common way to get a session with a girl is to go to one the special clubs (Avalon, Rio, etc) which work as restaurant+bar+disco, have expensive dinner or drinks and by this time do the deal with a girl?
2) The girls you can get on these places are working for the club or are freelancers?
Thanks,
Have a good day.
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[QUOTE=IAlvsg; 1342340]Yes I imagine. Thanks for the info Global Surfer.
I'm kind of confused for the ways of getting girls in Kiev compared to other locations in the world.
1) In Kiev, the common way to get a session with a girl is to go to one the special clubs (Avalon, Rio, etc) which work as restaurant+bar+disco, have expensive dinner or drinks and by this time do the deal with a girl?
2) The girls you can get on these places are working for the club or are freelancers?
Thanks,
Have a good day.[/QUOTE]Working for the club or free lancers.
It depends on the club. I think for Rio they work for the club but in other club e. G. Caribbean, Buddha, D Lux etc they are probably free lancers.
Expensive dinner / drink.
All you need to buy is one drink and if you want you can get away with diet Coke on ice. Girls in Buddha bar, D Lux are hard core professionals. You can finalize the deal and take them out. If you are in party mood you can buy them drink and spend some time there.
Caribbean is mixed club I. E. Civilians mixed with wgs.
You may also want to try Mamba and in my opinion that is probably the best value for money
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Mamba. Ru
Hi all,
Anyone knows why when I sent my phone number (from abroad) to activate "Real status" but I've never receive the code to activate "Real status"?
Thanks in advance for any tips.
Eros
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[QUOTE=Global Surfer; 1342510]Working for the club or free lancers.
It depends on the club. I think for Rio they work for the club but in other club e. G. Caribbean, Buddha, D Lux etc they are probably free lancers.
Expensive dinner / drink.
All you need to buy is one drink and if you want you can get away with diet Coke on ice. Girls in Buddha bar, D Lux are hard core professionals. You can finalize the deal and take them out. If you are in party mood you can buy them drink and spend some time there.
Caribbean is mixed club I. E. Civilians mixed with wgs.
You may also want to try Mamba and in my opinion that is probably the best value for money[/QUOTE]Thank you for your answer Global Surfer.
So, if taking a girl from one of these clubs, you need to bring them back to your place (hotel / private apt)?
Not any clubs provide rooms on place for that?
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[QUOTE=Eros75; 1342520]Hi all,
Anyone knows why when I sent my phone number (from abroad) to activate "Real status" but I've never receive the code to activate "Real status"?
Thanks in advance for any tips.
Eros[/QUOTE]The reason could be you have registered wrong country in your profile. The registration is used to insert country code. It worked with me.
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[QUOTE=IAlvsg; 1342340]I'm kind of confused.
2) The girls you can get on these places are working for the club or are freelancers? .[/QUOTE]I think you really need to read more reports of distinction. Or seek wingman. Avalon, Arena, Buddha, D'Lux et alia are discos where some girls, if you look decent and appear to be generous, will approach you at the bar and ask if you are alone and lonely, or something like that, and want to leave you phone number. Some even want to discuss terms for coming to your apartment or room. Weekends will be more, workdays fewer girls. Rio is a strip club (there are several in Kiev) where you will be offered private dance in a cabin, and sometimes you can discuss with manager about girl following you home. There are apartments, a kind of a small brothel (with rooms!) , but this seems to be operating discreetly, maybe illegal? Street workers, try around MacDonalds, girls seeking eye contact may need money. Then there are several bars (hotels) where working girls will seek contact, probably only between 10pm and 2am. You can call agency like Gia around the clock. Then there are dating sites. This is not exhausting all details, read the forum, please, there is plenty of info and you soundalike you need it. Forgive me blunt approach. RB
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[QUOTE=CheekyDancer;1342220]Has anyone got any links to tried and recommended apartment they have used recently.[/QUOTE]No one?
No one knows of any decent apartments?
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[QUOTE=CheekyDancer;1342220]Has anyone got any links to tried and recommended apartment they have used recently.[/QUOTE]Dobovo and also Sergey at apartments. Com. Ua have delivered good service for me recently. But I really think this is question for TripAdviser, not ISG.
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Profiles without guarantee
[QUOTE=Global Surfer;1342302]Thanks for great report. I know the profiles are not permanent and I have no chance of visiting Kiev before February but still would you mind sharing the links to the profiles in this forum. Thanks again[/QUOTE]I don't want to disclose profiles of friends. But there are others that have simply responded friendly to me, and I think it is little harm to share it here. Not all speak much English, one in Karchov. You can see one has fake photo, one has none, another seems to be absent. There is really no way to tell if they will answere. Good luckm.
[url]http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=936639709&hit=3[/url]
[url]http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=764743858&hit=3[/url]
[url]http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=454554575&afolder=album_photos&album_id=595264953&[/url]#closed.
[url]http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=674033271&hit=3[/url]
[url]http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=674033271&hit=3[/url]
[url]http://mamba.ru/inusik_n/?afolder=dating[/url]
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[QUOTE=IAlvsg; 1342816]Thank you for your answer Global Surfer.
So, if taking a girl from one of these clubs, you need to bring them back to your place (hotel / private apt)?
Not any clubs provide rooms on place for that?[/QUOTE]I am not aware of any club providing rooms. Those FKK you can find Germany, Switzerland, Check Republic.
As Roll Buzz mentioned there are small brothers operating from flats who may provide you space. I have never used those.
My experience in Kiev is restricted to mamba dating agency, TopModel, Escort Model, Baccardi, Buddha bar and only once a street walker
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Mamba. Ru
[QUOTE=Roll Buzz;1342873]The reason could be you have registered wrong country in your profile. The registration is used to insert country code. It worked with me.[/QUOTE]Thanks Roll for the info. I registered with the right country in my profile but for some unknown reasons it didn't work. I asked the mamba support team and their answer was incomprehensible to me. Like "Hello, # name. # message #"!
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Tips for town
[QUOTE=Irish Lad; 1331144]Yes,
It has been a while since I saw a decent report about pulling freebies in Kiev. With all the talk about that shithole Rio and the Princesses in D'Lux, it would be natural to assume that no one scores here any more. Fortunately that's just not the case.
Here's what you need.
1. The right plan. If you're going to a club, get a table. Invite girls to join you, if they are boring or suggest money, throw them off and get some more.
2. Pretend to have game, even if you don't. It's the guy who does the pulling. 100 times more so in the FSU.
3. Don't lose focus. None of this "haven't decided yet" crap. If you fancy a girl and she gives you a glimmer of a response. Go in for the kill. No prisoners.
4. Dress to impress but within your comfort zone. I wear jeans and t-Shirts and don't own a suit. My black and white Casio watch works just fine.
5. Don't get drunk. We all do but your chances plummet.
6. Use mamba to suit your own purposes. Save time by posting your photo on the top line saying "looking for a fun chick to party with tonight". Bring her along until you close with her or find better.
Got to go[/QUOTE]Greetings Comrades. I am a single Canadian guy coming to Kiev for 16 days over New Years with a buddy. We speak no Russian / ukrainian. I wanted to get advice on where to stay, what to do, where to go, what to say. A condensed guide on current hot spots. Thanks for the Mamba tip, will work that a little before we arrive! The quote above was also helpful but need a list of names / places / clubs we can find. We are both 38, good looking, respectful mongers. Any and all advice is most welcome!
Questions:
- We fly in and out of Kiev 16 days apart. Where else should we go that has beautiful horny women? Thinking Odesa for a week also, thoughts?
- How much Russian / Ukrainian should we try to learn? Any specific phrases?
- Are the marriage agencies good for marriage minded hotwifes?
- Hoping to mostly pick up locals and be generous. Tips?
- How are the trains? Is a car helpful for mongering?
Appreciate any tips and tricks!
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[QUOTE=Roll Buzz;1342886]Dobovo and also Sergey at apartments. Com. Ua have delivered good service for me recently. But I really think this is question for TripAdviser, not ISG.[/QUOTE]Thanks Roll buzz I will give them a go.
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[QUOTE=AlbertaGuy; 1342936]Greetings Comrades. I am a single Canadian guy coming to Kiev for 16 days over New Years with a buddy. Ny and all advice is most welcome!
Questions:
- We fly in and out of Kiev 16 days apart. Where else should we go that has beautiful horny women? Thinking Odesa for a week also, thoughts?
- Are the marriage agencies good for marriage minded hotwifes?
- Hoping to mostly pick up locals and be generous. Tips?
- How are the trains? Is a car helpful for mongering?
Appreciate any tips and tricks![/QUOTE]- New Year: Not a good time, at least here in the "Province", in case you have no good contacts. Many people do the parties privately, because of $. And in case, people have enough $, they go into the Carpats, to Crimea or even abroad for celebrations. Students will be out of town because of holidays, anyway. Seriously, Tailand might be a much better choice for New Year.
- Same for Odessa.
- Marriage Agency: Same chances as to grab the Jackpot in Vegas.
- In Kiev I like Shooters best.
- Trains are OK, in case you book "Coupe", at least (2'nd class). However, end of year always difficult to book tickets on the spot. Do it in advance.
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Reply for REAL STATS
[QUOTE=Eros75; 1342520]Hi all,
Anyone knows why when I sent my phone number (from abroad) to activate "Real status" but I've never receive the code to activate "Real status"?
Thanks in advance for any tips.
Eros[/QUOTE]Hey I'm having the same issue.
Mamba is owned by Mail. RU their email system. Which also uses the real stats via TXT sms. The issue is their system only sends to european phone numbers. Even though USA is listed.
I'm trying to have my contacts over there send me the code. But with the delay in time the codes time out.
If anyone has a clue how to get the real stats figured out. UNLIMITED MONGER potential is waiting with MAIL. RU's dating site. Every single Russian / ukraine or european chick is pretty much on there.
I've heard of online cell phones to recieve texts but I don't know which ones still work?
Idk help for god sakes!
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[QUOTE=Global Surfer; 1342903]I am not aware of any club providing rooms. Those FKK you can find Germany, Switzerland, Check Republic.
As Roll Buzz mentioned there are small brothers operating from flats who may provide you space. I have never used those.
My experience in Kiev is restricted to mamba dating agency, TopModel, Escort Model, Baccardi, Buddha bar and only once a street walker[/QUOTE]Ok Global Surfer.
[QUOTE=Roll Buzz;1342883]I think you really need to read more reports of distinction. Or seek wingman. Avalon, Arena, Buddha, D'Lux et alia are discos where some girls, if you look decent and appear to be generous, will approach you at the bar and ask if you are alone and lonely, or something like that, and want to leave you phone number. Some even want to discuss terms for coming to your apartment or room. Weekends will be more, workdays fewer girls. Rio is a strip club (there are several in Kiev) where you will be offered private dance in a cabin, and sometimes you can discuss with manager about girl following you home. There are apartments, a kind of a small brothel (with rooms!) , but this seems to be operating discreetly, maybe illegal? Street workers, try around MacDonalds, girls seeking eye contact may need money. Then there are several bars (hotels) where working girls will seek contact, probably only between 10pm and 2am. You can call agency like Gia around the clock. Then there are dating sites. This is not exhausting all details, read the forum, please, there is plenty of info and you soundalike you need it. Forgive me blunt approach. RB[/QUOTE]I have read the last 5 pages without finding all the information but you are right, I'm going to read more.
Thanks.
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[QUOTE=AlbertaGuy; 1342936]Greetings Comrades. I am a single Canadian guy coming to Kiev for 16 days over New Years with a buddy. We speak no Russian / ukrainian. I wanted to get advice on where to stay, what to do, where to go, what to say. A condensed guide on current hot spots. Thanks for the Mamba tip, will work that a little before we arrive! The quote above was also helpful but need a list of names / places / clubs we can find. We are both 38, good looking, respectful mongers. Any and all advice is most welcome!
- We fly in and out of Kiev 16 days apart. .
Appreciate any tips and tricks![/QUOTE]I have not been in Kiev around New Year, but I agree with Rainer Otto, this could probably be bad time to start and get new contacts. Better gather some more information.
Actually New Years Eve is only one or two days of your trip, and you know, Kiew celebrates Christmas 3-4 weeks later than westerners, so you should find out when exactly the students really go on holiday (most go to the countryside). If they are in town, this is not bad, and in two weeks you should find some action.
More locals in the streets means more options for you, because you can address any girl in streets, shops etc and start some conversation. Ask for phone number, depending on your charm, sometimes it can lead to a date, I have had numbers from girls late in the evening and called them day after to meet. But really time-consuming.
Absolutely learn some lingo. Kyrillic alphabet is a must, for street names to start with, and many people there have negative attitude towards english-speaking people.
I am not sure what you mean by questiona about agencies. You are single, and marriage agencies are good for marriage minded wifes (women?) , if you are looking for this, you should go straight to them. Most of the single women are secretly hoping to find a decent guy to marry and take them, some to Europe, some to the states, some prefer Moscow. Well, maybe this is only my speculations, but I have not been shown to be wrong.
But really, the winters in Kiew can be terribly cold and long.
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REAL STATUS for Canadians
[QUOTE=MattNDBoy; 1343178]Hey I'm having the same issue.
Mamba is owned by Mail. RU their email system. Which also uses the real stats via TXT sms. The issue is their system only sends to european phone numbers. Even though USA is listed.
I'm trying to have my contacts over there send me the code. But with the delay in time the codes time out.
If anyone has a clue how to get the real stats figured out. UNLIMITED MONGER potential is waiting with MAIL. RU's dating site. Every single Russian / ukraine or european chick is pretty much on there.
I've heard of online cell phones to recieve texts but I don't know which ones still work?
Idk help for god sakes![/QUOTE]Yes I'm having the same issue. Any help would be welcome.
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Ukraine visa runs.
Anybody know if Ukraine enforces the 90/180 day rule? As I exited Ukraine, I noticed the agent specifically look at the dates of my past entrance / exit stamps. If somebody was to reside in Kiev without the proper residency papers, what's standard operating procedure to get around the law?
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Fb
[QUOTE=MattNDBoy; 1343178]Hey I'm having the same issue.
Mamba is owned by Mail. RU their email system. Which also uses the real stats via TXT sms. The issue is their system only sends to european phone numbers. Even though USA is listed.
I'm trying to have my contacts over there send me the code. But with the delay in time the codes time out.
If anyone has a clue how to get the real stats figured out. UNLIMITED MONGER potential is waiting with MAIL. RU's dating site. Every single Russian / ukraine or european chick is pretty much on there.
I've heard of online cell phones to recieve texts but I don't know which ones still work?
Idk help for god sakes![/QUOTE]Just log in with Facebook and avoid all the hassle. I started doing that and no more issues. Just edit your FB profile to avoid any issues.
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Same Question?
[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1343568]Anybody know if Ukraine enforces the 90/180 day rule? As I exited Ukraine, I noticed the agent specifically look at the dates of my past entrance / exit stamps. If somebody was to reside in Kiev without the proper residency papers, what's standard operating procedure to get around the law?[/QUOTE]I was thinking about the same thing recently as I was there in Sept. And according to the Canadian Government website I have to wait 90 days to re-enter or pay a possible fine? Anybody with any information on this issue?
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I rented a nice apartment from Dobovo, that flat made a good impression to girls, but I didn't get a good customer care by Dobovo, I had to await for the plumber and I didn't receive any assistance when my wi-fi connection was down. I had a very good service by Grata agency even if its flats are unpretentious. I met Sergey Kulik five years ago and in my opinion he is a bandit!
[QUOTE=Roll Buzz;1342886]Dobovo and also Sergey at apartments. Com. Ua have delivered good service for me recently. But I really think this is question for TripAdviser, not ISG.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Yellowpaul;1343581]I was thinking about the same thing recently as I was there in Sept. And according to the Canadian Government website I have to wait 90 days to re-enter or pay a possible fine? Anybody with any information on this issue?[/QUOTE]As a long-termer in UA I have to say, be careful to obey to the 90/180 day rule now. I already payed some fine 2 years ago because of overextending.
This was during a border run to MD.
Actually, it looks that the passport control is even more strict controlling. In best case, you might exit just paying some fine; in worst case you risk being banned for up to one year, with a special stamp in your passport.
But even when only paying a fine when exiting, you have a good chance being refused when trying entering again.
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Apartments
[QUOTE=AColonizer;1343642]I rented a nice apartment from Dobovo, that flat made a good impression to girls, but I didn't get a good customer care by Dobovo, I had to await for the plumber and I didn't receive any assistance when my wi-fi connection was down. I had a very good service by Grata agency even if its flats are unpretentious. I met Sergey Kulik five years ago and in my opinion he is a bandit![/QUOTE]When it comes to apartments, Arik at kievapts. Com is the best.
Thanks LJ for the lead.
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[QUOTE=AColonizer;1343642]. I met Sergey Kulik five years ago and in my opinion he is a bandit![/QUOTE]His problem is he does not speak English. His wife has to translate everything, but she is very friendly. Eh, I mean helpful. Errr, professionally, heck, you know what I mean. If your thinking is not dirty.
Ps. They really have been good contact persons when I knew nobody in Kiev.
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Anyone around tonite for Avalon or elsewhere? I'm 37. Well dressed etc.
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[QUOTE=JayCZ35;1344378]Anyone around tonite for Avalon or elsewhere? I'm 37. Well dressed etc.[/QUOTE]I'm in Kiev at the moment. Lucking out on a few Mamba contacts. I'm 36 also well dressed here until Tuesday. Wouldn't mind a wing man if your about.
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I am still hunting.
Anyone has contact to a puffy slim flat chested 0cup girl. PM me. I have nasty contacts to trade!
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The exist in Ukraine
As seen in Kazantip.
[url]http://trinixy.ru/37499-devushki-kazantipa-136-foto-nyu.html[/url]
[QUOTE=DoctorOral;1344973]Anyone has contact to a puffy slim flat chested 0cup girl. PM me. I have nasty contacts to trade![/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Reiner Otto;1343151]- Trains are OK, in case you book "Coupe", at least (2'nd class). However, end of year always difficult to book tickets on the spot. Do it in advance.[/QUOTE]I agree too. Do it a lot in advance. Because many people buy a bunch of tickets and try o sell them with more higher price.
I bought last time this 2 people coupe. Was not really worth the money. Even more expensive than to take the plane.
And Tv also was not working in the coupe. (but who needs if you take some music with you and some bottles of wine=
Anyway: train ride can be very funny if beeing in good company and you are used to sleep in this bed with the typical train noise in background.
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[QUOTE=Rudigumble; 1341598]Hello,
I will be next week in Kiev and want to meet girls. Unfortunately I cannot use hotel for meeting, therefore I thought about visiting a banja with one or two ladies. Can someone advise a banja near city center which is working already on afternoon?
With regard to Gia: Last year I had date with some of their girls. Pictures on the net are generally okay and you can rely on their services. I can recommend Olga (
[url]http://gia.la/photo/olga10/18.jpg[/url]
). What I do not like is their high prices. Especially in comparison to Buddha Bar or Avalon.[/QUOTE]There is one Banja at Malaya Zhitomyrskaya. Was there one time. Think its working 24/7 but I am not sure. As usual: Thinks can change everyday in Kyiv. I was little drunken when have been there, but as far I remember it was good. There is even a sign outside.
Gia:
Blayt. One of my actual girlfriends is working for Gia. Could fill a book about stories from my alcoholic GF.
In general Gia changes some rules and put more pictures from real-life of the girls on their page. Some customers complained about too much Photoshop.
But if you order from Gia: they have some apartments you can use.
I really have no own opinion about GIA, never used that servis.
Try it: if you not like: send them home.
You will not get problems anyway.
I just can mention that we always too nice to the girls. They really not need that and even laughing about customers. I some cases: too much politeness can be contra-productive.
But: depends what you want, and how is your nature.
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I see you are a beginner. For those girls and for those prices in Gia, I could invite you in Italy and I could make you enjoy the most beautiful country in the world and, at the same time, you could try some young Romanian and you could get something more and, at the last, your travel would be less expensive.
[QUOTE=Rudigumble; 1341598]Hello,
I will be next week in Kiev and want to meet girls. Unfortunately I cannot use hotel for meeting, therefore I thought about visiting a banja with one or two ladies. Can someone advise a banja near city center which is working already on afternoon?
With regard to Gia: Last year I had date with some of their girls. Pictures on the net are generally okay and you can rely on their services. I can recommend Olga (
[url]http://gia.la/photo/olga10/18.jpg[/url]
). What I do not like is their high prices. Especially in comparison to Buddha Bar or Avalon.[/QUOTE]
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Salon Dolly
This report is from a visit to Ukraine a few months ago. Just joined ISG, so writing about my past mongering experiences.
Google around for a bit and decided to contact this place:
[url]http://www.salondolly.com/index.php/en/Contacts/[/url]
Arranged for a girl to come to my apartment late one night. The girl was Alisa and she matches the pictures on the site. Beautiful tattoo on her back, petite, pert, and very proud of her body. I rented a very nice apartment in Kyiv and this did wonders. She spent the first few minutes checking out the apartment and was obviously impressed. I was busy checking her out, of course, and was equally impressed, especially as she had stripped down to some sexy black lingerie before her tour. I had agreed on the Kiss & Body Massage + Classic for 450 grivnas. We headed to the bedroom and she took off her underwear, revealing a perfect body. Her ass and tits were incredibly firm and she had a darker complexion, which I prefer. The massage itself was fairly average, but she loved showing off her body, so the experience itself was excellent. The body massage was heavenly, with her well oiled tits rubbing against my whole body. My only complaint would be that the "kiss" part of the massage was a bit of a joke. It basically consisted of about a half dozen half-hearted kisses on my nipples, ears, and neck. But given how hot she was, I didn't complain.
She hinted at extras, but I was tired and more in the mood for her to finish me off on her own. She ended up straddling me, facing forward, so her naked ass was about 8 inches from my face. As she jerked me off, she spread her legs and the view was frankly incredible. I came more quickly than I was hoping to, because I couldn't help being incredibly turned on, and she didn't give me any breaks. The massage ended up being about 45 minutes instead of an hour, but I was too tired and relaxed to care.
The experience was positive overall, but mostly because she was so damn good looking. Otherwise, the rushed service and average massage would have left a sour impression. Instead, I'm hoping to make it back to Kiev one of these days and see my 'girl with the dragon tattoo' as she called herself :P.
P
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Real status
[QUOTE=Yellowpaul;1343580]Just log in with Facebook and avoid all the hassle. I started doing that and no more issues. Just edit your FB profile to avoid any issues.[/QUOTE]Thanks Paul. Still having issues though. Logging in with FB doesn't help. If I delete my profile and try to reactivate, will their face recognition block me? Seems like the best contacts for town are on Mamba though.
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Real Status
[QUOTE=Yellowpaul;1343580]Just log in with Facebook and avoid all the hassle. I started doing that and no more issues. Just edit your FB profile to avoid any issues.[/QUOTE]Thanks Paul. Still have issues, logging in with fb doesn't seem to help. Some great contacts on Mamba but unless I can get real status, I'm hooped. There's no way around it I guess. Any help is most welcome. Definitely looking forward to my time over there *drools*
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Dear Rio Veterans,
Has anybody successfully met with a girl from Rio privately?
I've only taken out two girls from Rio. I really liked one of them and so asked her if we can get together privately, and her answer was because she is so busy being a student and working at Rio, as they always say, I can only see her at Rio.
I'm wondering if they say they are busy, so they don't have to get together with clients privately. Or they want to avoid getting together with clients, being afraid of being found out by Rio?
Any thoughts are appreciated.
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[QUOTE=Shevchenko; 1345669]Dear Rio Veterans,
Has anybody successfully met with a girl from Rio privately?
I've only taken out two girls from Rio. I really liked one of them and so asked her if we can get together privately, and her answer was because she is so busy being a student and working at Rio, as they always say, I can only see her at Rio.
I'm wondering if they say they are busy, so they don't have to get together with clients privately. Or they want to avoid getting together with clients, being afraid of being found out by Rio?
Any thoughts are appreciated.[/QUOTE]What you are wondering, has all been wondered on this thread before. Only succeeded once to have a girl come over to my apartment during the day. The girl was a hot blond and very satisfying. I had taken her out multiple times before that. She finally agreed to a daytime date. Unfortunately, she has moved on and no longer works at Rio. Your reasoning is correct. They don't want to be found out, they are tired from working all night plus some have a university schedule and they do need to sleep. So really there is not much time in their daytime hours for yet another date prior to their beginning an all night shift at the club. Think about it from their perspective. A human being needs some down time. For daytime action, mamba. Ru is the go to favorite on this thread. I have seen the wonders it can produce if effort is invested. Also you can get numbers at the clubs and then set dates with those girls during daytime. Forget about Rio girls during the day. You're just giving yourself a headache. It's next to impossible. If you're one of those who run out of sexual steam late, late at night, just try to get to the club early, soon after opening, and take out whoever you like in the pre-midnight hours. Or use the daytime to broaden your horizons and bang chicks from mamba or those you pick up at nightclubs. Don't torture yourself dreaming about a romance with a Rio girl. I have seen reports on this thread claiming to have achieved it, but it is very rare.
LJ
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To Pedro Toronja
Hi Pedro,
Hope you are fine.
I was reading your last Kiev trip about model girls from agency but you did not mention anything after all.
How was it?
Did you score the models or failed?
Thanks in advance.
Naykan
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Kiev versus FKK
[QUOTE=AColonizer; 1345783]- the fallen Germany, where men go just for a sexual coitus, and not for the girls' beauty, and not the girls' performance, and I never shall go there;
- the funny Ukraine, where P4P is not easy as silly men talk, but where girls are still real female.[/QUOTE]I thought this was a simple and accurate quote by AC to describe the difference between Fkk's and Kiev. It's really amazing how personal even arranged appointments with prostitutes can feel in Ukraine.
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VK. Com
I just wanted to mention that I am having a lot of luck on VKontate. If you find a girl on Mamba, it's worth asking if they have a profile on VK. Once you find a girl open to business, you will want to bounce around the friend lists and solicit sponsorets. Most will ignore you, many will tell you to "fuck off", but sooner or later you will find a lead.
Keep in mind that a lot of Ukrainian girls really do enjoy fucking strange men as long as it is in there parameters.
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Liljoy,
Thanks for your input.
In fact I even asked her if she would go on a trip to somewhere like Turkish coast, and she said that I would have to pay Rio several hundred dollars a day to do such things. Have you or anybody tried this path?
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[QUOTE=Shevchenko; 1346026]Liljoy,
Thanks for your input.
In fact I even asked her if she would go on a trip to somewhere like Turkish coast, and she said that I would have to pay Rio several hundred dollars a day to do such things. Have you or anybody tried this path?[/QUOTE]She has opened for you the pathway she prefers. Arrange whatever you want for daytime action while she is at the club and pay her for it in advance while there.
There was a Rio girl that I was enamored of when I had just begun going to the club, that I thought I would enjoy being with all day too. In the end, she agreed and we settled on a price of $400 for all night plus another $400 for all day, for a total of $800 for a complete 24 hour period. We left Rio at about 10:00 PM and I didn't bring her back to the club until 10:00 PM the following evening. In retrospect, I felt afterwards that I wasn't getting enough out of it, and I never repeated such an approach again.
I will run through my thoughts and analysis on the topic as some of what I considered, might be useful to you, or others. Economically. 24 hours divides into $800, for a Net Rate of only $33 / hour, which is not a bad rate. But the question is, what are you receiving for $33 / hour? Looking at it analytically, in a long term multiple hours date package there are three broad categories of time being paid for. These include the time spent in actual sexual activities, as well as non-sexual companionship time for anything from simply cuddling and / or kissing to any and all activities one might want to do with a pretty, sexy young girl on one's arm, as well as significant down time (8. 10 hours) for sleeping etc. Included in the 24 hour period.
While it is easier to arrive at a conclusion as the the correct value in Kiev for time spent in sexual services, it is not as clear what should be the proper rate for non-sexual mere companionship time included in such a package, and this can be debated.
But first one must identify a reasonable estimate of the number of hours if each type of activity included within a 24 consecutive hour period with the same girl. The sexual services component must be approached by a man first evaluating his own capacity to engage in sex within a 24 hour period, as well as the duration for that man of each sex session. Each guy is different, but as an example, let's take a guy who can engage in various parts of a sexual session, such as kissing, and giving the girl cunnilingus, receiving oral sex from the girl (BJ) , as well as various multiple positions for intercourse, until he reaches an ejaculation over a period of 60 minutes or even, let's say up to 90 minutes. And let's further assume, that this "typical" guy can desire to and can actually engage in such 90 minute sex sessions at least three times over a 24 consecutive hour period with the same girl. Three times 90 minutes translates into 4. 5 hours of actual sexual activity as a reasonable estimate for a statistically significant percentage of men over a 24 consecutive hour period with the same girl. To make the analysis easier, let's take 4 hours as the estimated amount of time that will be spent in actual sexual acts over the 24 hour date. That means the balance of the time. 20 hours is non-sexual companionship time. Going a step further, although some guys will actually enjoy sleeping with a pretty, young girl in their arms, I am one of those people that cannot fall asleep easily. For me, I prefer to sleep alone in my bed, or at least not bodily entangled with a female, and she has her side of the bed, and I have mine. So for me, sleeping with the girl, has no value, and in fact is a hindrance that ruins the quality of my sleep, and that I would not pay for. Therefore, I would subtract the 10 hours of down time used for sleeping etc. From the 24 hours date.
Therefore, my conclusion is that a 24 consecutive hour date with the same girl can be reasonably estimated to contain an approximate 4 hours of sexual activity, plus about 10 hours of non-sexual companionship type activities, and the balance of 10 hours down time should not even be considered as paid for.
Breaking it down in this way, I came to realize that I was paying for 4 hours of actual continuous sexual activity, for which a reasonable value would be $300. $400 value in Kiev at $100 / hour, which meant that I was paying the other $400 for 10 hours of non-sexual companionship type time, or about $40 / hour for 10 hours of such time.
Those, I felt, were the actual economics of what I had done, with the $800 for a 24 hour date with the Rio girl. Was it worth it? Probably the price was ok, and not a complete rip off, although some guys might debate that. But the real question for me was whether I sufficiently enjoyed what I had purchased, enough to do it again in the future. I came down on the side of saying,"No." It was nice for a one time thing, but I wouldn't repeat, as my enjoyment factor wasn't high enough. I concluded that I would keep to the mongering model of having a girl for around 3 hours at night to have sex and some companionship time, and then send her home, so I could get a good sleep. And then if I felt horny during the day, to summon another girl for a sexual romp if an hour or two in the afternoon. These two sex sessions could be $400. $500, depending on the hotness of the girl and negotiating skills. And I would do just fine without the female companionship during the rest of my time, unless it was freebie.
As for your plan to take a girl on an actual vacation, you should choose a destination that requires no visa for Ukrainians, as that's a hassle and cost to deal with. Also, in negotiation, you must press the fact that whatever price she comes up with for a take out date from Rio lasting for a couple of days, there must be subtracted the value of the enjoyment you will also be providing her with, of the vacation experience.
LJ
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[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1346102].
As for your plan to take a girl on an actual vacation, you should choose a destination that requires no visa for Ukrainians, as that's a hassle and cost to deal with.
LJ[/QUOTE]LJ a nice analysis. This is a interesting topic as ironically I'm flying out a 22 year old Ukrainian girl whom I have never met yet to Dominican Republic next month. She is "regular" non-mamba but you never really know with these girls. She almost cancelled the trip originally when I told her I was 20 years older then her. Which is actually a good thing as I find the experience more rewarding and safer then the "semi-pro" Mamba girls who might see 2, 3.4 different guys a week.
I'm not paying her anything but the airfare from Kiev to Punta Cana is not cheap either but I figure I'm paying $300 a day for unlimited sex and companionship.
Anybody up for meeting up in Kiev in late January or early Feb. ?
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[QUOTE=Yellowpaul; 1346360]LJ a nice analysis. This is a interesting topic as ironically I'm flying out a 22 year old Ukrainian girl whom I have never met yet to Dominican Republic next month. She is "regular" non-mamba but you never really know with these girls. She almost cancelled the trip originally when I told her I was 20 years older then her. Which is actually a good thing as I find the experience more rewarding and safer then the "semi-pro" Mamba girls who might see 2, 3.4 different guys a week.
I'm not paying her anything but the airfare from Kiev to Punta Cana is not cheap either but I figure I'm paying $300 a day for unlimited sex and companionship.
Anybody up for meeting up in Kiev in late January or early Feb.?[/QUOTE]Hi YP, it so happens that Dominican Republic is a favored destination for me as well, especially when the airfares get low (under $400). It is also a country that does not require a visa for nationals of many countries. However, to fly girls out to the Dominican Republic from Ukraine, without a visa, one must necessarily avoid any stopover landings in any USA airport in the flight itinerary. That eliminates a lot of the flight plans using familiar USA airlines, and their lower airfares, as they all will touch down at their hub in the USA, coming from Europe, in order to change planes for the flight from the USA to the Dominican Republic. That leaves European airlines, where the stopover in the flight from Ukraine is in a European country that does not require a visa for Ukrainians who remain in the airport as transit passengers. Of note, Air Berlin, a lower cost airline, started flying from Germany to the Dominican Republic. The airfare is one of the major challenges and investments that all those adult vacation businesses operating in the DR also face, in bringing EE girls out to tge DR. So I'm wondering what air travel arrangements you made for your self-designed adult vacation in the Dominican Republic?
A 2nd question that I had is how you can guarantee "unlimited sex" every day, with a girl who is not a WG, or is not even a "semi-pro", but rather is an unsullied regular girl? Unless you have already romanced the pants off the said young maiden on a previous visit to Ukraine, and you know she can and will provide the sex-a-thon you seek, how do you know what will happen when she arrives in the DR to vacation with you? Your individual concepts of how the vacation is to play out, sex-wise, may be miles apart. Has she at least verbally declared her decadence and promised you that she will daily fuck you within an inch of your life, leaving you to hobble your way to the resort's pool each day, like over-shtupped Warren Beatty in the old movie Shampoo (circa 1975) , where he played a hair-dresser who had to fuck one lady "client" after another until he was visibly at the edge of sexual exhaustion and could barely walk (my favorite scene)?
Anyway, I have often invited superior sex performers whom I have met in Ukraine, or even in FKK's in Austria and Germany, who I felt were very beautiful, to join me for a vacation in the DR, but so far it has remained in the discussion stage. So I'm very interested in the logistics and costs of actually pulling it off, and any info details will be most appreciated.
LJ
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It' s getting interesting for me as well.
First, thanks for your analysis, Liljoy.
The girl actually said $500 a day to me. Then I think I made a mistake. I said, 'That's not bad. That's cheap! ' Now she or Rio may jack up the price. It's actually not that cheap when I have to pay for her airfare, accommodation and food as well.
$400 airfare to bring a girl from Ukraine to DR? Is that what you are saying, Liljoy?
I had not thought about DR. The girl and I were initially considering Italy, but since she needs an EU visa to go to Italy, I was thinking about Maldives instead. The cost may skyrocket. I might consider DR.
But from the Ukrainian girls' point of view, why DR, when they can more easily go to Turkey, Egipt or Tunisia?
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Taking girls to the Dominican
As a daily reader of this forum who has not been to the Ukraine yet, this is a subject I know a good bit. The best way to book a flight for a Ukrainian girl to the DR is to book the flight through Air France. They have a one-stop, round-trip flight to Punta Cana for about 1500. I stayed at all inclusive resorts, so that was another 900. Then with my flight, and and spending money, it brought the total for a week of great sex with a hot Ukrainian girl in the paradise of the DR to about 3200. That comes to about 500 a day, which is pretty reasonable for the daily expensive of a sexy girl who hasn't had sex with a thousand guys! I have one girl that I have taken there 3 times, and another that has been with me once there. I have two more girls that are just waiting for there passports before they can travel there, and I can't wait to take them there! Even though both girls are normal and not wg's or semi-pros, they were very aware of the amount of sex I wanted to have with them through our emails and Skype chats, and it was never a problem. With both girls, I had sex at least once a day, and most times 2-3 times a day, most of the time with them being the aggressors!
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Haint69,
Thanks for the info.
I guess the plane stops in Paris. Did they not have to stay overnight in Paris?
So how do yo find those innocent Ukrainian girls? Mamba?
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[QUOTE=Shevchenko; 1346845]Haint69,
Thanks for the info.
I guess the plane stops in Paris. Did they not have to stay overnight in Paris?
So how do yo find those innocent Ukrainian girls? Mamba?[/QUOTE]It's about a 12 hour flight with a 2 hour stop in Paris. I have had some success with the pay marriage sites, finding regular girls who want to eventually get married, but are still open to having fun and traveling.
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[QUOTE=Shevchenko; 1346673]It' s getting interesting for me as well.
First, thanks for your analysis, Liljoy.
The girl actually said $500 a day to me. Then I think I made a mistake. I said, 'That's not bad. That's cheap! ' Now she or Rio may jack up the price. It's actually not that cheap when I have to pay for her airfare, accommodation and food as well.
$400 airfare to bring a girl from Ukraine to DR? Is that what you are saying, Liljoy?
I had not thought about DR. The girl and I were initially considering Italy, but since she needs an EU visa to go to Italy, I was thinking about Maldives instead. The cost may skyrocket. I might consider DR.
But from the Ukrainian girls' point of view, why DR, when they can more easily go to Turkey, Egipt or Tunisia?[/QUOTE]Dear Schevchenko, you mixed together different things. My post was about $400 price for all night take out from Rio strip club in Kiev to my apartment in Kiev. That had nothing to do with bringing a girl to the DR. In that post, I related that once I took a Rio girl out in Kiev for a full 24 hour period for another $400, totaling $800 for 24 hours. And my analysis was about what was actually being received for that amount and whether it had been worth it to me.
Then on a totally different question raised by Yellowpaul about his desire to take a Ukrainian girl and fly her out to Dominican Republic, I asked about the airfare involved, and about how he was guaranteeing unlimited sex, if the girl was not even a semi-pro. Yellowpaul and Haint69 are talking about Ukrainian girls in general who are not professional strippers and Working Girls (sex for money) , just regular girls, being brought to the Dominican Republic.
You, Schevchenko, were the only one talking about taking out specifically a Rio girl, and you and I were discussing that you might be able to do it if you arranged it through the club, and paid the girl for the number of days of the vacation while at the club in advance. I don't know anyone who took a Rio girl by arrangement through the club on a vacation. I seem to remember a report somewhere back on the thread of a fellow who took a girl on a vacation to Maldives but I don't remember if he got the girl from Rio, or some other source. I think that taking a Rio girl for a vacation will be more costly that what Yellowpaul and Haint69 are suggesting. They are taking regular Ukrainian girls on a vacation. There is no expense except the travel expenses for the girl and themselves. However, a Rio girl will likely add a demand of compensation for her time and services as an escort, in addition to paying all her travel expenses. But you may prefer the Rio girl anyway, for these purposes, despite the added escort costs, for several reasons. When the services are paid for there is no question about your expectation to receive them and the girl's agreement to provide them. There is no ambiguity about their role. Haint69 writes that in respect to this concern he makes certain that there is a clear understanding by the non-pro regular girl about the sex he is expecting from them if he brings them out on a vacation. Another advantage of taking a Rio girl might be that since you have been with her already in Kiev and tried out the merchandise, there is no question or uncertainty of what the sex will be like. You already told me in your initial question that you wanted to invite one of the Rio girls you had taken out and really like. I've been there, buddy. There are some really nice, sexy girls that I've become smitten with that I met at Rio, and that I would love to vacation with and make a "honeymoon" with. The other two fellows seem to be shopping online and taking girls they haven't previously had sex with out on a vacation, and they are hoping for the best.
But this issue of where the girl comes from aside (I. E. Rio girl or other pro, versus a regular girl from a dating website) , the issue I wanted more info about was the costs and logistics.
Haint69 advocates Air France for bringing Ukrainian girls to the Dominican Republic for about $1500. I will just mention that I think it is possible to shave off a few hundred from the cost of her air tickets by using Air Berlin flights to Punta Cana (PUJ) originating from either Dusseldorf or Munich, by flying her from Kiev to one of those airports to connect with the Air Berlin flight to the DR.
The reason that they prefer the destination of the DR probably is the same as mine. I reside in the US, and I can get relatively cheap flights to the DR, with a relatively short travel time. So my own travel plan will be easy. If you reside in Turkey or some other Medditerranean country, it might, in fact, be easier for you to vacation with the girl in Turkey, Egypt or Maldives. BTW, in Dominican Republic it is not illegal for an adult girl to take money for sexual services. That may be a reason it is a favored location for many adult vacation companies. Just do a search on Google for adult vacations and you will find many are based in the DR.
LJ
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Dear Liljoy,
" it so happens that Dominican Republic is a favored destination for me as well, especially when the airfares get low (under $400)."
I was talking about this $400 you mentioned, but I now realize you were probably talking about the flight between NY and DR.
Hmmm, I'm not sure if this girl from Rio, who seems to be inexperienced in traveling, would be willing to fly all the way from Kiev to DR for herself. I also reside in the US. I thought I would have to leave Kiev with her for wherever we decide to go. That is why I was thinking of Maldives. I also don't feel like going to those regular destinations for Ukrainians or Russians like Turkey, Egypt or Tunisia. But I'm just wondering if girls in Kiev would prefer DR to Turkey, Egypt or Tunisia.
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Travel
Please open a thread for travel arrangements, will you.
This here is about Kiev.
BTW. Where is my skinny blondes with 0tits?
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Surprise, Surprise.
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1347085]Dear Schevchenko, you mixed together different things. My post
The reason that they prefer the destination of the DR probably is the same as mine. I reside in the US, and I can get relatively cheap flights to the DR, with a relatively short travel time. So my own travel plan will be easy. If you reside in Turkey or some other Medditerranean country, it might, in fact, be easier for you to vacation with the girl in Turkey, Egypt or Maldives. BTW, in Dominican Republic it is not illegal for an adult girl to take money for sexual services. That may be a reason it is a favored location for many adult vacation companies. Just do a search on Google for adult vacations and you will find many are based in the DR.
LJ[/QUOTE]Enjoyed reading LJ's In depth cost analysis and favored destinations, But, Surprise, surprise. I never thought I will see the Day when Liljoy makes a Spelling Mistake.
"Turkey or some other Medditerranean country".
I guess with Liljoey it was a Typing issue, and not Spelling.
Unlike the case with Ex President Dan Quayle with his way of spelling (Potato).
He loved Spelling it with an (e) at the end.
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Loves Potato with an e.
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1347085]Dear Schevchenko,
So my own travel plan will be easy. If you reside in Turkey or some other (Medditerranean) country,
LJ[/QUOTE]There is comfort for me (for me or to me?) in watching (Brain Of USA) at the time [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdqbi66oNuI.[/url]
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There is already: "Travel Announcements Only (No questions or comments please)".
[QUOTE=DoctorOral; 1347296]Please open a thread for travel arrangements, will you.
This here is about Kiev.
BTW. Where is my skinny blondes with 0tits?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Jojosun;1347339]Enjoyed reading LJ's In depth cost analysis and favored destinations, But, Surprise, surprise. I never thought I will see the Day.[/QUOTE]This is to the Old Prick sitting next to me right now reading this.
You have been to Kiev 3 times this year, Where are your posts.
Stop Lurking and grammer checking the Kiev thread. Start posting.
I know (I never thought I would the day).
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[QUOTE=Shevchenko; 1347241]Dear Liljoy,
" it so happens that Dominican Republic is a favored destination for me as well, especially when the airfares get low (under $400)."
I was talking about this $400 you mentioned, but I now realize you were probably talking about the flight between NY and DR.
Hmmm, I'm not sure if this girl from Rio, who seems to be inexperienced in traveling, would be willing to fly all the way from Kiev to DR for herself. I also reside in the US. I thought I would have to leave Kiev with her for wherever we decide to go. That is why I was thinking of Maldives. I also don't feel like going to those regular destinations for Ukrainians or Russians like Turkey, Egypt or Tunisia. But I'm just wondering if girls in Kiev would prefer DR to Turkey, Egypt or Tunisia.[/QUOTE]That's a hell of a lot of flying for you to do! As far as the girl being afraid to travel all the way to DR on her own because she is not experienced as a traveler, I suppose it depends on the personality of the individual girl. Some are timid, and some are adventurers. A couple of Rio girls, including one of my favorites, just departed on a vacation to Mexico. Despite my begging, my favorita refused to allow me to join with them or meet them in Mexico, and my offers to pay didn't budge her. They are going
I don't know the answer about whether Ukrainian girls would prefer DR to the closer more usual destinations like Egypt or Turkey. Some of them have gotten to those nearer destinations on their own, and don't need help from you, so maybe the fact that you're paying will make DR attractive.
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[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1347339]Enjoyed reading LJ's In depth cost analysis and favored destinations, But, Surprise, surprise. I never thought I will see the Day when Liljoy makes a Spelling Mistake.
"Turkey or some other Medditerranean country".
I guess with Liljoey it was a Typing issue, and not Spelling.
Unlike the case with Ex President Dan Quayle with his way of spelling (Potato).
He loved Spelling it with an (e) at the end.[/QUOTE]You have found out my weakness, Jojosun. When there is Kryptonite in my immediate vicinity, I lose the ability to properly spell and have been caught red-handed by you leaving off the "e" from Turkeye.
LOL.
I am one if those whom Big Brother has seen fit in His great wisdom, to deny the ability to correct and edit my masterpieces. Hence they will stand for all eternity full of spelling flaws, mostly introduced by my iPhone's auto-spell function into my meticulous prose. In this I join the ranks of other great writers on this thread.
So I stand corrected.
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[QUOTE=DoctorOral; 1347296]Please open a thread for travel arrangements, will you.
This here is about Kiev.
BTW. Where is my skinny blondes with 0tits?[/QUOTE]Dear Dr O.
I wouldn't dismiss this discussion so cavalierly, since under discussion is the best way to have sex with Kiev girls, a matter which pertains to the kind of girls you are interested in also.
Apart from the purely economic considerations, which I will take up in a moment, taking a Kiev girl on a vacation versus having sex with her in Kiev, raises for our consideration the following pros and cons:
Vacation Cons:
In Kiev one can have a large variety of different pro or semi-pro girls for a low price, whereas on a vacation one is necessarily limited to the girl one took on the vacation for the duration.
Vacation Pros:
In a vacation scenario, it would seem an easier feat to get a regular girl to agree to freebie sex in return for the enticement of a beautiful vacation, than when trying to bed such a girl in Kiev based solely on your own "game".
In Kiev, all your sex during the winter will be in a drab city that is pretty cold, and often freezing, whereas the locale of a vacation date can be luxuriously warm and romantic.
That's all I could think of at the moment, in terms of pros and cons of having the sex in Kiev versus taking a Kiev girl on a vacation. I'm sure others can think of more aspects to consider.
As for the economic costs comparison, it is clear that the week long vacation in the DR with the girl from Ukraine (with sex up to 2 or 3 times each day) , will cost far less than traveling to Kiev and paying for girls there for an equivalent amount of sex. The numbers speak for themselves!
Airfare from New York to Kiev can be as low as $621 on Aeroflot. A week to rent a luxury apartment downtown Kiev at $110 / night will be $770. Food for a week can be estimated at $500, especially if one makes good use of the full kitchen in the apartment. So travel related costs for a week long trip from NY to Kiev total $1891. Adding taxi costs and incidentals, it's about $2000.
To achieve the equivalent of the sex possible on a week vacation with a girl, one should assume 2 to 3 times sex each 24 hour day, plus continuous companionship.
What would it cost to have a mamba girl whose base rate is $75 / hr or $100 / hr stay with you for a complete 24 hour day? For a full week?
Probably a 24 hour date could be gotten for maybe $400, but more likely $500, depending on the girl. A week would not cost simply a multiple of that fee by seven. There would be some discounting. I can't see many girls turning down a flat fee of $2000 for a week long booking, since that is a huge amount for a Ukrainian, and such a booking comes along very rarely. Only a girl who is routinely taking in over $400 every night would look at it as losing money. So I'm guesstimating one could get an agreement for a weeklong companion for $2000, or maybe $2500 in Kiev.
Sex with three mamba girls each day for two to three hours each, would cost between $400 to $500 each day, depending on the girl, which over the week would cost more than a package deal for a one week booking with just one girl. But the allure of variety may dictate this choice anyways.
But using the guesstimate of $2500 for a week long booking in Kiev, plus the $2000 travel costs of traveling from NY to Kiev, we see that the total costs comes out to about $4500.
So if you compare the cost of travelling to Kiev for a week long date with a girl of $4500, to the costs of bringing that girl out to the Dominican Republic for a week long vacation (around $3400) , you can see that the vacation idea has economic merit.
I arrived at the $3400 figure for a DR week long vacation as follows: $1500 girl airfare + $500 your own airfare + $1400 resort costs = $3400.
Resort costs: Many high end (4 and 5 stars) all-inclusive resorts in Punta Cana, DR cost in the area of $200 / night, so a week there at a good high end resort, would cost around $1400. Yes you can go cheaper, but I'm comparing to luxury accommodations possible in high end luxury apartments in downtown Kiev, so it's more properly compared to the high end resorts.
LJ
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Bring Ukranian girls to DR
You guys mentioned flying girls to DR without ever being to Ukraine, where do you meet the girl that agrees to such arrangement?
Thanks in advance.
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"I arrived at the $3400 figure for a DR week long vacation as follows: $1500 girl airfare + $500 your own airfare + $1400 resort costs = $3400."
Are you only talking about bringing a freebee to DR?
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[QUOTE=Acesking2; 1347495]You guys mentioned flying girls to DR without ever being to Ukraine, where do you meet the girl that agrees to such arrangement?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]You can find plenty at tgs site. But be careful, some will try to scam you, most pretend to be high class but are not and so on.
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[QUOTE=Acesking2; 1347495]You guys mentioned flying girls to DR without ever being to Ukraine, where do you meet the girl that agrees to such arrangement?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]There are social websites like vkontakte, and of course the website mamba. Ru which is also a social website, but in which in Ukraine, and especially Kiev, many of the profiles are from escorts seeking clients. You need to read this Kiev thread to learn how to use mamba for finding girls of various types. There are also websites such as travel girls. Com set up essentially for the purpose of travel hook ups. Also mentioned was marriage websites.
In general, my opinion is that taking a girl whom one has never met, and never had sex with before, on an expensive vacation, is a gamble. My preference would be to invite a girl that you know and have had sex with before, so the nature of what will happen is more assured. However, you have read the recent posting by Haint69 wherein he writes that he communicates by email and Skype sufficiently to assure himself of what the girl looks like and that she knows about and is interested in having sex with him. He takes a gamble on whether she will do as she said.
You have to use your own judgment on this, as there are no guarantees.
LJ
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ITS The (DD) LJ
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1347454]You have found out my weakness, Jojosun. When there is Kryptonite in my immediate vicinity, I lose the ability to properly spell and have been caught red-handed by you leaving off the "e" from Turkeye.
LOL.
So I stand corrected.[/QUOTE]Not bothered about TURK_ Eye.
It was the (DD) that caught my eye in your post."Turkey or some other Medditerranean country".
I am into Big Tits.
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When in Turkey.
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1347454]You have found out my weakness, Jojosun. When there is Kryptonite in my immediate vicinity, I lose the ability to properly spell and have been caught red-handed by you leaving off the "e" from Turkeye.[/QUOTE]When you take a UA girl to Turkey, then you Stick "e" at the end.
Here you go "Republic of Turkey.
Türkiye Cumhuriyeti".
Wonder if they do have a Turkish Dan Quayle?
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Vice
[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1347339]Unlike the case with Ex President Dan Quayle with his way of spelling (Potato).[/QUOTE]Operative word (VICE) didn't pop up there.
But you know what I am Saying.
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[QUOTE=Shevchenko; 1347600]"I arrived at the $3400 figure for a DR week long vacation as follows: $1500 girl airfare + $500 your own airfare + $1400 resort costs = $3400."
Are you only talking about bringing a freebee to DR?[/QUOTE]Yes, Schevchenko, in that estimate I was only talking about the travel costs along the lines of the others (Haint69 and Yellowpaul) who were talking about bringing out regular girls to the DR for a sexy vacation. Those girls were coming because they were being offered a free vacation, albeit one in which they would be having sex with their benefactor. However, as I pointed out to you in my earlier post, when you try to take a Working Girl (WG) on such a vacation, whether she is a Rio girl, or a less expensive girl from mamba. Ru, she will inevitably demand money for her pussy, over and above getting the free vacation. Unlike a regular girl, a WG is conditioned to selling her pussy and using her pussy to extract as much money from men as she can. The best you can do with a WG in such a circumstance is to negotiate a very reduced pussy price in recognition of her receiving the value of a free vacation. So for example, in the case of the Rio girl who you wrote gave you a price of $500 per day, you might try to get her to agree to a reduced flat rate package fee for a week that is less than simply multiplying $500 x 7. So instead of $3500 for a week, maybe she will accept $2500 or $2000 for a week. You should advocate that the cost of the travel tickets should be accounted for by a reduction in the escort fee she wants. However, taking a WG on a vacation will definitely add costs to the type of vacation that the others were talking about when they discussed inviting regular girls. A WG will look at it by analyzing how much pussy money she will be losing by leaving her escort work to go on a vacation with you. Whereas a regular girl won't have such a calculation, and will give it up in exchange for free travel.
LJ
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[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1347670]Not bothered about TURK_ Eye.
It was the (DD) that caught my eye in your post."Turkey or some other Medditerranean country".
I am into Big Tits.[/QUOTE]You mean there is a spelling of Turkey that has an "e" at the end? I didn't know that. I was purely going for the humor. Of course, I understood you spotted the incorrect dd.
LJ
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[QUOTE=LilJoey;1347458]Airfare from New York to Kiev can be as low as $621 on Aeroflot. A week to rent a luxury apartment downtown Kiev at $110 / night will be $770. Food for a week can be estimated at $500, especially if one makes good use of the full kitchen in the apartment. So travel related costs for a week long trip from NY to Kiev total $1891. Adding taxi costs and incidentals, it's about $2000.[/QUOTE]Hum. You never drink, never party? Just search for sex? Sad indeed.
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When in Turkey.
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1347735]You mean there is a spelling of Turkey that has an "e" at the end? I didn't know that. I was purely going for the humor. Of course, I understood you spotted the incorrect dd.
LJ[/QUOTE]Wasn't much of an Acadamic in my previous life (hence my spelling and grammer) , but I continue with my studies on Wikipedia University. .
This is the official name for it in Turkey.
"Türkiye Cumhuriyeti".
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Have a date set with Anna. Should be good. Having some luck on VKontate as well. The search function for "Actively Searching" is handy. HOT ladies there, and more real than Mamba. Google translate is not very good, but learning Russian is likely impossible for me. I'll have a tablet that I can use for translation, but it will be slow. Hopefully my pals and I can find some English speaking girls at the clubs. I'll see if some comrades on here want to join us next month ass well. 2 friends and I. 2 weeks in Kiev. Luxury Penthouse. Pussy Focus.
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[QUOTE=Shevchenko; 1347600]"I arrived at the $3400 figure for a DR week long vacation as follows: $1500 girl airfare + $500 your own airfare + $1400 resort costs = $3400."
Are you only talking about bringing a freebee to DR?[/QUOTE]Just stumbled upon this bizarre maths of bringing sand to the beach. Only her share of the airfare on a weekly basis equals RD $ 8, 500 or much more than you need to procure cream of the crop of local pussy, each day new, bused to your resort from the major center.
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Good luck with these girls. Hmmmmm. Agencies
With ver little! Effort, you will see that these, and I mean all these, are not REAL.
I wonder why you all can't read this forum and learn.
I am not saying the contacts are bad, you might find good lineups in the salons, but not the girl in the picture.
Good luck!
QUOTE=AlbertaGuy; 1347860]800 UAH / hr. Condom only:
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Have a date set with Anna. Should be good. Having some luck on VKontate as well. The search function for "Actively Searching" is handy. HOT ladies there, and more real than Mamba. Google translate is not very good, but learning Russian is likely impossible for me. I'll have a tablet that I can use for translation, but it will be slow. Hopefully my pals and I can find some English speaking girls at the clubs. I'll see if some comrades on here want to join us next month ass well. 2 friends and I. 2 weeks in Kiev. Luxury Penthouse. Pussy Focus.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1347733]Yes, Schevchenko, in that estimate I was only talking about the travel costs along the lines of the others (Haint69 and Yellowpaul) who were talking about bringing out regular girls to the DR for a sexy vacation. Those girls were coming because they were being offered a free vacation, albeit one in which they would be having sex with their benefactor. However, as I pointed out to you in my earlier post, when you try to take a Working Girl (WG) on such a vacation, whether she is a Rio girl, or a less expensive girl from mamba. Ru, she will inevitably demand money for her pussy, over and above getting the free vacation. Unlike a regular girl, a WG is conditioned to selling her pussy and using her pussy to extract as much money from men as she can. The best you can do with a WG in such a circumstance is to negotiate a very reduced pussy price in recognition of her receiving the value of a free vacation. So for example, in the case of the Rio girl who you wrote gave you a price of $500 per day, you might try to get her to agree to a reduced flat rate package fee for a week that is less than simply multiplying $500 x 7. So instead of $3500 for a week, maybe she will accept $2500 or $2000 for a week. You should advocate that the cost of the travel tickets should be accounted for by a reduction in the escort fee she wants. However, taking a WG on a vacation will definitely add costs to the type of vacation that the others were talking about when they discussed inviting regular girls. A WG will look at it by analyzing how much pussy money she will be losing by leaving her escort work to go on a vacation with you. Whereas a regular girl won't have such a calculation, and will give it up in exchange for free travel.
LJ[/QUOTE]Yeah, but the Rio girl said to me I need to pay Rio, not her, $500 a day. (I'm sure she'll receive a cut.) Do you mean to say I can negotiate with Rio?
Thanks
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[QUOTE=Questner;1347910]Just stumbled upon this bizarre maths of bringing sand to the beach. Only her share of the airfare on a weekly basis equals RD $ 8, 500 or much more than you need to procure cream of the crop of local pussy, each day new, bused to your resort from the major center.[/QUOTE]You err, my friend, in assuming that mongers who love the looks of Eastern European beauties, such as one can find in Ukraine, would see any significant value in what you call the "cream of the crop" of the local talent in Dominican Republic. It's just not the same. Personally, I happen to enjoy Dominican girls to some extent, and have sampled probably more than 50 in various trips to the DR in locations such as Sosua, Puerto Plata, Blackbeards, Santiago and Santo Domingo. Most of the girls I saw in these places were not to my taste both in terms of the shape and contour of their bodies, as well as facially. But I always found some girls I could work with. So I enjoyed very sexy vacations in the DR with its best girls. But in my personal taste, the beauty and sexiness of the Eastern European hotties I have enjoyed in Kiev completely blows away the best that DR has to offer. It's a completely different level. So bringing Eastern European beauties to the DR, in the view of those who share my attraction to EE beauty, is not at all like bringing sand to the seashore. There are a lot of men who have the same perspective on female beauty as I do, and consider the EE beauties more desirable than the DR local hotties, and there are many ultra-expensive adult vacation businesses set up in the DR to cater to the men who share my taste for the beauty of EE women. Now, of course, I recognize that this is a matter of personal taste.
So if you don't think that the EE beauties from Ukraine are more desirable than the best local DR girls, then you should realize that it's your own personal perspective on female beauty, and that many other men feel differently than you, and see the obvious benefit of having an EE beauty to enjoy while vacationing in the beautiful surroundings that the DR offers, and because EE type beauty is scarce in the DR, and not like sand on the seashore, that it is worthwhile to bring EE girls to the DR to enjoy them in beautiful surroundings.
It's also possible that you haven't been to Ukraine or the DR and simply don't know what you're talking about. But I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you have seen both types of girls, so the difference of opinion is explained by a difference in personal taste.
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[QUOTE=Prosal; 1347754][QUOTE=LilJoey;1347458]Airfare from New York to Kiev can be as low as $621 on Aeroflot. A week to rent a luxury apartment downtown Kiev at $110 / night will be $770. Food for a week can be estimated at $500, especially if one makes good use of the full kitchen in the apartment. So travel related costs for a week long trip from NY to Kiev total $1891. Adding taxi costs and incidentals, it's about $2000.[/QUOTE]Hum. You never drink, never party? Just search for sex? Sad indeed.[/QUOTE]Dear Prosal, of course I drink and like to party, but I do not enjoy traveling to a sex capital and merely getting so drunk that I cannot function on my best level, something you have written that you do enjoy doing sometimes. To each his own. Yes, I admit I enjoy licking and fucking a beautiful girl, more than getting drunk. And I consider the getting drunk thing sad, if you cannot function in the end and enjoy the pussy. So, to each his own.
But, that being said, just how you deduced that I never drink or party from my estimate of travel costs, remains a mystery to me, since such "entertainment" costs are not properly considered under the travel costs side of the cost analysis, but rather would be more properly tabulated when adding up the cost of local girl entertainments. While it is true that on the "entertainment" side of the analysis I only commented on estimating a week's worth of pussy costs, each and every monger is, naturally, free to add in his own special needs and costs.
In your case, I assume you will need to add the costs of a $20k watch and a $15k fur coat, and various other high fashion accoutrements. But you will no doubt admit that yours is a special case that needs to be considered separately, because it does not reflect the type of trip costs that are customary for mere mortal guys.
With the greatest respect for your pussy accomplishments,
LJ
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have a date set with anna. should be good. having some luck on vkontate as well. the search function for "actively searching" is handy. hot ladies there, and more real than mamba. google translate is not very good, but learning russian is likely impossible for me. i'll have a tablet that i can use for translation, but it will be slow. hopefully my pals and i can find some english speaking girls at the clubs. i'll see if some comrades on here want to join us next month ass well. 2 friends and i. 2 weeks in kiev. luxury penthouse. pussy focus.[/quote]in my last three visits to kiev, i focused almost entirely on mamba. ru girls. i say almost entirely, because let's face it, i couldn't completely kick my habit of going to rio, in part because the girls i get from rio were much better looking. but the price tag on the mamba girls was much lower, and i was beginning to appreciate that. don't get me wrong. i rejected any mamba girl that wasn't very sexy. so the mamba girls who i was keeping were only the hottest ones to show up. therefore, i enjoyed very good sex with those mamba girls. but only one of the mamba girls had looks that were anywhere near the body and face beauty of the best of the girls at the strip club. but in a 4 night weekend, i did mostly mamba girls and only took a hot stripper home on one of the nights.
anyway, what i wanted to tell you is that i have been trying a lot of mamba profiles of p4p girls and although many are fake pictures, some are real (2 out of 10). but that doesn't make so much difference, because even with the fake picture profiles, you might get a girl who is sexy enough to keep for sex. so although doctororal is correct in reminding you of what you should know by doing the necessary level of research by reading this thread for the last year or two at least, and following the links of reports if distinction going even farther back in time, the conclusion to be reached is not to give up on using mamba. instead just know in advance that the majority of mamba p4p girls are using fake pictures, especially those profiles put up by agencies (naked pictures or profiles that are deleted within a week or two, are telltale signs of an agency or girl apartment profile). but nevertheless schedule meetings and send away the girls that aren't to your taste and fuck the girls who are. where are you going to get a hot, sexy, tall blonde or brunette caucasian girl with a gorgeous body and sexy ass for sex for $75 / hour or even $100 / hour? that's right. nowhere else. so have at it.
i am convinced now more than before, that the correct way to go through interviewing all the collected profiles i made contact with and got numbers for, is the way hunter dave told me he does it a long time ago. in the beginning of a trip he schedules serial "speed dates" at several cafes or bars near each other downtown and meets with as many girls as possible in an afternoon, and then schedules real dates with those he likes the most. this is a way of getting to the best contacts you made on mamba. very soon you will have a list of numbers of girls who are your favorites and who will want to come meet with you time and again. the way i did it in my last three trips to kiev, by summoning the girls to my apartment, i only went through a small portion of my mamba contacts because 75 percent of the girls who showed up were hot enough to fuck, but i have no idea how many real gems were among those contacts i never got to meet due to limitations of time.
now what's this you say that google translate is not working for you? currently it's the best we have. so if you want to fuck girls who don't speak english well, you had better learn how to use it enough to put the girl at ease when she comes to your apartment, or even when meeting a girl at a club or on the street or in a store or restaurant. the point is that a girl will not feel comfortable coming to your apartment if communication is impossible. so the burden is on you to show her that communication is possible using the translator, and can even be fun. then you will get the non-english speaking pussy. but let me just check what version of google translate you are using. the iphone application for google translate is wonderful because it allows a short english phrase to be spoken into the iphone and it translates the spoken phrase into russian which can also be played back as an audio file. this is very handy for saying cute or funny things to a girl, so she gets the idea. and she can also speak a russian phrase into the iphone and it will be translated back into english. the audio interface does not work well when there is too much background noise. in such case you must type the phrase. and you should install the russian letter keyboard which you can switch to at a touch, so that the girl can type stuff back to you. so communication is possible. and this opens a precious door for you. the door of ukrainian pussy that doesn't speak english well, and there are a lot of hot chicks behind that door. so google translate is your friend. now with respect to the version of google translate that is available on the google website on the internet, it does not offer the audio capacity, but it is invaluable for corresponding (i'm or email) in writing with girls using russian language on the social websites including mamba. ru. but to make it really useful, you need to install it as a plug in or in a way that allows instant translation of russian text into english, and more particularly, that gives you a menu option when you right-click on your mouse that says "translate into english", as this will enable you to get the english translation of specific text in a profile that is written in russian, or of a specific message that was sent to you on mamba's i'm application. this utility will make using mamba to communicate with russian speaking girls in russian easy to do. but you must be careful when composing messages in russian, to reverse translate them back into english, just to make sure you are saying what you want to say, when you send the message in russian. i repeat these pointers for those that need this info. hope you have been using google translate to good use already. if you have a specific difficulty with using it, let's hear about it.
lj
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The last one is real
I agree with you Doctor Oral, with some experience and effort you can realize t he real girls from the fake-agencies girls.
The last link-girl is real, Victoria is real. I met her already and you can see her fotos in Photo gallery that I have posted in September-October. And she speaks english and italian (I guess she had an italian boy friend). But the first foto in her profile is not her. All the other photos are hers, and she is pretty with green beautiful eyes, but the photos in profile are professional photos with a photoshop.
Good luck
[QUOTE=DoctorOral; 1347938]With ver little! Effort, you will see that these, and I mean all these, are not REAL.
QUOTE=AlbertaGuy; 1347860]800 UAH / hr. Condom only:
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[QUOTE=Shevchenko; 1347955]Yeah, but the Rio girl said to me I need to pay Rio, not her, $500 a day. (I'm sure she'll receive a cut.) Do you mean to say I can negotiate with Rio?
Thanks[/QUOTE]In all the times I have taken a girl out from Rio, I have NEVER negotiated or paid anything to Rio or its employees for the girl's time when she went out with me. In all cases, I ONLY negotiated with the girl directly and ONLY paid the girl directly.
Therefore, your last statement that the girl told you to pay Rio is suspect to me. You must have misunderstood.
If a girl is considering a date with you, in which you pay her for her time and companionship, you will necessarily have to negotiate with her directly. So she said to you that she wants $500 for a day with you. Since you intend to take her on a week long vacation somewhere nice, I would try to negotiate with her and ask if she will accept a flat rate for a full week that takes into account the expenses you will incur in taking her on a vacation, and suggest to her the amount you would like to pay her for a week on vacation. Maybe she will accept, or come back to you with some intermediate proposal. Negotiate with her. What can it hurt? No one connected with the club will speak to you about this, though. Of that I'm quite sure.
LJ
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If she says she has to deal with Rio she is either new there (and is scared) or she doesn`t like you too much. Either way, if she is a stunning girl and doing great service this is a great deal! In Germany we are spoiled (FKK Clubs) but to find a real hot girl doing a great service you won't get this price in Germany! Forget about all the posts telling you something else! Girls from Shooters or Vodka bar (in general!) are average girls with "ok" service. Remember, I said if she is a stunning girl with great service! Of course all of us met girls who are beautiful for us and the service is great because there is chemistry BUT this is very rare. If you don't have much time spending in Kiev, go with her. If you have plenty of time, you are in good age (between 20something and 45 years old) , looking ok and respect the girls, you should go out to "normal" places and wait until find something for free. .
Don't listen to some of the people here. Talking too much and not so often in Kiev. I'm here 2-3 times every month and don't post here anymore because there are so many men (mostly from the US) talking too much and they are in Kiev or elsewhere in Russia (may be) 1 or 4 times a year. How can they say something. (Not talking about some great people here telling the truth like me (at least I think so)
Coming to Kiev now for may be 2 years, I spend 80% of my time in Kiev with girls I know and don't pay for them (and some of them I don't even f*). The rest of the time I go to Rio or Mandarin (not because I get money from them to post here) because that are places you can trust! And you don't waste time if you don't have time.
(Posting for the people that are not posting here) LOL.
[QUOTE=Shevchenko; 1347955]Yeah, but the Rio girl said to me I need to pay Rio, not her, $500 a day. (I'm sure she'll receive a cut.) Do you mean to say I can negotiate with Rio?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
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Kyiv Hooker Hangouts. The truth about Kiev!
LOL. This report I would write down if my English would be good enough.
If you've just arrived in Kyiv, chances are that you will quickly be informed by helpful work colleagues and business partners about the places to dine at and the places to party. They are but a few and they are full of stunning girls. So let's start our checklist by assuming you just went out for the first time and met this nice English-speaking girl, with an amazing body, who was so sweet with you:
Where did you meet her? If it was at D-Lux, SkyBar, Dante Park, Arena, Avalon, Shooters, Byblos, Serebro, Velour, Buddha Bar, Mokko, Richelieu, Ok Bar, Safe (to name just some of the worst places to meet a girl) , there is a strong likelihood that this girls is a hooker. If you met her at D-Lux, don't kid yourself – that's a *****house with 80% working girls swarming its three floors. SkyBar is the same, but just on one floor, while Dante Park has a slightly lower hooker level, but still there are 2 chances out of 3 that she was there to work. Arena and Avalon have a lower class of hookers, but an even higher percentage of hookers than D-Lux. Shooters is a special case: students go there to dabble in their first sex-for-money experiences and also girls to ugly to pass the face control at the top clubs. Byblos, Serebro and Velour are the places where rich Ukrainians pick up their sex-snacks and so the chances that she speaks English are low, but she is likely to charge you premium prices for being so daft to have picked her up there. For a long time Buddha Bar used to be the prostitution center of Kyiv, but lately management has been clamping down strongly on the amount of hookers allowed to enter. Mokko, Richelieu, Ok Bar and Safe are favorite hangouts for some of the most expensive ladies one can find in Kyiv; sipping on one coffee for the whole evening and waiting for some rich man to invite them to share dinner with him and later share his bed. Safe and Ok Bar are by far the worst offenders in this regard and any girl going there regularly is a girl to avoid. All these places have in common, that none of the girls can afford to actually be there, and if she is there it is so to find a man to pay for her: there and hers truly too.
What day of the week did you meet her? Has it been a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday? Remember that any Ukrainian girl, who studies or works will only in the rarest of circumstances go out during the week. Students at Ukrainian universities have an immense work load and must be at class early in the morning; therefore they do not go out during the week and if they do, they will be with a group of friends and head home early. Girls who work, work long hours, need to be at work early in the morning and receive paltry salaries – hence they sleep on weekday evenings and do not have the money to go out to such expensive places. A girl that can go to clubs and restaurants all days of the week is most likely there to sell herself, especially if she is still there after midnight.
What does she do in life? One of the first questions to ask is what a girl does in life; if she answers 'Student', 'Looking for a job', 'Undecided', 'Model', all alarm bells should start ringing at once! Students (see above) neither have the time to go out nor the money; a girl who doesn't work in Kyiv cannot survive in this city (unless her parents are rich – see point below) ; and if she claims to be a model then this is code for 'I think I am a model, because I am a tall and thin hooker! '. Kyiv is a city with thousands of models, none of which earns enough money to pay for even a flat. True top models do not stay in Kyiv, they quickly move to fashion capitals in the West, where they can make more money. 'Models' in Kyiv are tall, thin girls, who sometimes dabble a bit in modeling, but as there are so many of them, none can actually earn her living and 95% of them also work in other ways with their bodies.
Maybe her parents are rich? Well, they might – and there is an easy way to find out: 'Do you have a car? ' if she confirms ask what car it is. A girl from a truly rich family will have her own car and not just some cheap little Japanese one, but a Lexus or Mercedes jeep or even a Porsche Cayenne. But then a girl from such a family wouldn't be found at a place full of hookers like e. G. Safe. She would be at one of the luxury restaurants foreigners don't even know about, and she wouldn't speak with you. Chances are high that a girl going out to the above mentioned clubs and talking to a foreigner with a car in the 50k$ range got this car as a gift from one of her wealthy married lovers. But if she doesn't have a car and doesn't work, then she is very likely a prostitute. No middle class family in Ukraine has the means or the inclination to allow their daughters not to work after university, and if a girl doesn't have a car and doesn't work, then her source of income is between her legs, which pays nicely for life in Kyiv, but won't earn her enough for buying a car.
Phrases and keywords to look out for: There are phrases that if uttered are a clear sign that you should move on. The most obvious of them are: 'I like generous man' means 'I look for a sucker to pay for everything! '; 'I am not a girl for the average man! ' means 'My body is only for men from 100k $ disposable income p. A. And up! '; 'I am a popular girl! ' means 'I already have a lot of clients, so if you want me – start the bidding! '; 'This is a real Gucci / Prada / etc. Bag / watch / etc. ' means 'See what other men paid for me, top them or I will move on. ' and my favorite 'I am not a prostitute' which actually means 'Your offer is to low! '
Other things to look out for: To much makeup, to low cut dresses, breasts hanging halfway out of the bustier, navel piercings – many hookers dress like hookers; but the most common single identification symbol is: not all girls in Kyiv with an iPhone are hookers, but all hookers in Kyiv have an iPhone! Always the newest model and always nearby to show they have it; naturally they had it presented to them by one of their clients, because none of them ever spends her own money on anything.
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Part II. Girl
Next part. And again. I had exactly the same experience. Not only in Kiev but all over CIS countries!
If you are still unsure if a girl you met is a prostitute or not, then it is time for some research. Go to vkontakte to check the girls profile out. If you do not have vkontakte then this blog will be of little help to you as you haven't really arrived in Kyiv yet ([url]www.vk.com[/url]). Find the girl: if she did not give you her full name, her birthday and first name will suffice. Girls have a habit to have much more racy and revealing photos on vkontakte than on facebook. An added bonus is that vkonakte's privacy measures are sloppy and friendlists are not hidden.
Travel Photos: First thing you do is to check out her photos: a lot of professional underwear and bikini photos are already a bad sign. A lot of travel photos from all kinds of exotic destinations all over the world are even worse. If you work in a normal job, if you are from a normal Ukrainian family you do not have the means to travel the world. You get 2-3 weeks of holiday a year and a holiday in Egypt, in Turkey or some bus tour of Western Europe is the maximum you can pay from your salary. Holidays in expensive and faraway places: e. G. Maldives, Dominican Republic, India, Thailand, Australia, etc. For example are always paid for by clients, or rich boyfriends (more about rich 'boyfriends' below). Repeated trips to the United Arab Emirates are an especially auspicious sign of travel prostitution; namely sex for a holiday. Trips to Israel, Dominican Republic, Los Angeles, New York, etc. – maybe some ignorant local boys believe the girls' stories that male friends invited them to join them on these short trips, just because these friends are just very friendly; but you should not: if a Ukrainian girl is invited to visit the Bahamas it is only because the inviter can invite himself to all orifices of her body in return.
Type of Photos and Posing: One of the typical things girls from poor backgrounds will post are a ridiculous amount of photos showing them indulging in luxury. These photos are meant to showcase their coolness, and their friends in their little villages might be impressed by them. However when doing research these images are quite helpful as they show so much more than these girls intended. Images of a girl sitting in a luxury car means just that this is the car of the man that ordered her; Images of a girl in a flat with view of Central Park, just means that in this flat she will soon be used by the owner of the flat; Images of a girl putting a spoon of caviar in her mouth just means that she will soon swallow another reproductive liquid next; Images taken inside a Rolls Royce do not mean that it's her car, they just mean that she is dumb and poor and that this drive to her client is the first time she has come close to luxury. Photos on yachts and in private jets just showcase the type of a client a girl usually services and what prices she expects to be paid for having no dignity. The same rule applies for photos taken in airport business lounges and hotel rooms; none of these girls can pay for these amenities and you need to understand, she is just showing us her commute to work and her workplace.
Friendlists: Luckily vkontakte doesn't hide friendlists. One can only hide up to 15 friends. If one has been to Kyiv for some time one knows directly or indirectly a large number of prostitutes. Therefore after you have checked out her photos look at the friendlist: often you can find a 10-20% of the girls in a friendlist to be known prostitutes. One girl, who works and studies, might know at maximum 2-3 girls, who are involved in the trade. But when a girl has over 10 prostitutes in her friendlist then it is safe to assume she knows them from common work experiences. Another telling sign is the amount of much older foreign men a girl has in her friendlist on facebook – if the amount is more than 50% of all male friends, she is managing her client base through facebook.
Check-ins: thanks to smartphones, there is an inflation of girls checking into places: be it restaurants, clubs, bars, airports, etc. And they are some of the most revealing information one can find: girls that regularly check into expensive restaurants do so to announce their presence and current availability to their usual clients. As no Ukrainian girl has the means or the will to pay for diner in such a place herself, they fully expect some sucker to read the check-in and go to the place to pay for diner and extra for sex-services afterwards. In earlier times girls, instead of checking in, used to send sms announcing 'I am in the center. Let's meet at Safe in 20min' and were actually angry if you dared to not rush there to pay diner for her and the friends she brought along to dine on the sucker's expense too. So check her profile for check-ins: lots of visits to Safe, SkyBar, Byblos, Velour, and D-Lux, especially during the week tell you all you need to know. Also check with whom they visit these places: checking in with a known prostitute is not uncommon. Furthermore check-ins at airports during the week for 2-3 day trips are not friends inviting her over to Cannes to go shopping with her at Burberry, but a client in need of a quality body.
Photos of flats: Rent in Kyiv is expensive. Even if one works fulltime it often is not enough to rent one's own flat. So check profiles on vkontakte for photos of flats. The dumbest girls take an excessive amount of themselves in their flat; very commonly in front of the mirror, an iPhone in hand, showing off new dresses, shoes, fur coats, etc. That they were tipped with. A luxury flat in the center can mean only one thing: a full-time prostitute or a wealthy, married sponsor, who pays for that flat in exchange for exclusive access to that girl's body.
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The truth about Kiev girls part III
Another one with so much truth. LOL.
Long-term prostitution with one man: a special case is the many girls in Kyiv, who do not prostitute themselves with many men, but who prostitute themselves with a series of rich men. The girls call these men 'my boyfriend' and insist that they are very much in love. If that were so, why do they live apart? In most cases the reason is that the man is married and thus places the girl in a centrally located flat to a) buy her and be) have a place to use her. It is a bit more difficult to find out about such girls, but it's also possible: clear signs are once again that she doesn't work, that she has a upscale flat in the center, that she goes all the time to expensive restaurants, that she lives alone and that she frequently travels outside of Ukraine (with her 'boyfriend' of course). Such girls have nothing to do all day, they go to the fitness studio, they visit café after café, they meet some friends and wait all week around for the time her sponsor comes to use her at his flat. Such girls will never have time to meet you for two reasons: the first is that in the evening they need to be available for their paymaster before he heads to his family's place, and the second reason is that usually his friends know about her and if she is found to meet another man for a date, she risks losing her job and flat. Only if such a girl senses that she is about to lose her current paymaster or that you are ready to take over as paymaster, she will become active and want to meet you; until then she 'is a busy girl', 'has so much to do', 'has so little free time', and so many other idiotic excuses why she cannot meet you, during the 23 hours of the day she has nothing to do.
Short-term prostitution with many men: another special case is girls, who have a series of boyfriends that change repeatedly and abruptly. These girls, like the ones above, have their own flat, they visit expensive restaurants etc. The main difference is that these girls rent their flats themselves, while the above live in flats owned or rented by their sponsor. To make sure that they have money for their flats they will continuously switch between wealthy boyfriends with the intent to secure money for rent and food. Relationships of 2-3 weeks are not uncommon and also these girls insist that they are in 'love'. These girls are most often the most diseased of the girls you can meet; while the long-term sponsored girls sleep with just one man and the full-time prostitutes use condoms with their clients, these girls sleep with their 'boyfriends' without condoms (they are in love after all!) and ignore the fact that such guys have a dozen 'girlfriends' at any given time. Also these girls might be in 'love' with many men at the same time. And if by the end of the month they did not manage to find their rent, you can find them at D-Lux desperate to sell themselves for the rent.
Mamba: mamba. Ru is where all prostitutes in Ukraine converge, looking for either a sponsor or for some quick hourly sex for money deals. A girl with a profile there is a prostitute; the few exceptions are in the single digits and leave the site quickly. Mamba is difficult to mine for information, but if you have the time it will yield endless information about professional hookers, the reason being that the girls while using fake names enter their true birthdays and use the same photos as on vkontakte. If you manage to find a girl you do like in real life on mamba, write her there under an assumed identity, and you can be sure to receive the prices, conditions and services she offers and also the list of her girlfriends she can bring along.
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Part IV. Tips for dating Kyiv hookers. Start from first post
Here's the last post of this report I've found in the internet. YES! It's the truth and I had to laugh all the time reading it. Enjoy.
If you still want to date a girl, who fits all or some of the description above, feel free to do so. But be aware that she will be with you only as long it makes financial sense for her. Furthermore do yourself a favor and send her to the gynecologist before you sleep with her without a condom: vaginal bacteria are as common as iPhones with girls in D-Lux and furthermore none of them takes the anti-baby pill.
Per se these girls are not bad, but they are lazy. The reason these girls prefer to sell themselves is not, because they need the money, the sole reason is that they are too lazy to do any kind of work; work in any form is anathema to them, but at the same time they want a luxurious lifestyle without doing anything for it but pulling their legs apart and looking at the ceiling for twenty minutes.
If you wish to find a girl worthy of your affection and for a long lasting relationship, don't go out to the clubs mentioned at the beginning of the blog. There your chances to find a girl worthy of your time and energy are zero. Work and make friends with your work colleagues. They will take you along to their get-togethers, where you will meet their friends and their sisters. All of whom do work, all of whom will have little money, and among these you will find a beautiful, smart, sweet, wonderful girl that is neither lazy nor obsessed with money. Remember: any girl that has no job, but lives in her own flat is most likely to be a hooker. The girls you want to meet, date and love are those who study and work since they were seventeen years old.
And if you are really desperate for intimacy, then don't bother to go to D-Lux or Safe, or the like: go to Rio Strip Club next to the opera: there girls are friendlier, more honest, younger, available, cheaper and cleaner.
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Dear LJ and Prosal
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1347979]Dear Prosal.
In your case, I assume you will need to add the costs of a $20k watch and a $15k fur coat, and various other high fashion accoutrements. But you will no doubt admit that yours is a special case that needs to be considered separately, because it does not reflect the type of trip costs that are customary for mere mortal guys.
With the greatest respect for your pussy accomplishments,
LJ[/QUOTE]That's Peanuts. My friend Prosal says "about 25 000 € (60 square meters). Shit, I should have buy it. It's pocket money". Posting on real Estate in Minsk.
And you know what? He was right. .
" He doesn't Need a Mortgage Either ". So he says in reply to Climaxnow.
Combine this with "Good Looks and Height, his Photos ", LOL unusual for a French man, and you get the picture which explains his pussy accomplishments.
Cheers,
PS. Prosal. This was a compliment.
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Rabota
[QUOTE=AcesKing2; 1347495]You guys mentioned flying girls to DR without ever being to Ukraine, where do you meet the girl that agrees to such arrangement?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Sorry for the late reply but I just got back from Vegas. The girl I'm flying out to Dominican Republic is from Rabota, it's a legitimate job seeking site that I was using to find personal secretary / English translators but I decided to give that up as it was requiring to much work but I tried e-mailing some of the girls and few responded despite the fact the "job" I told them was filled. This one has girl next door look rather then a supermodel type and has 2 year old kid and lives with her Mom and bother. I think it's as average non-pro as you can. So I hope as you never really know with these girls.
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Great Report
[QUOTE=Kirch; 1348194]LOL. This report I would write down if my English would be good enough.
If you've just arrived in Kyiv, chances are that you will quickly be informed by helpful work colleagues and business partners about the places to dine at and the places to party. They are but a few and they are full of stunning girls. So let's start our checklist by assuming you just went out for the first time and met this nice English-speaking girl, with an amazing body, who was so sweet with you:
Where did you meet her? If it was at D-Lux, SkyBar, Dante Park, Arena, Avalon, Shooters, Byblos, Serebro, Velour, Buddha Bar, Mokko, Richelieu, Ok Bar, Safe (to name just some of the worst places to meet a girl) , there is a strong likelihood that this girls is a hooker. If you met her at D-Lux, don't kid yourself – that's a *house with 80% working girls swarming its three floors. SkyBar is the same, but just on one floor, while Dante Park has a slightly lower hooker level, but still there are 2 chances out of 3 that she was there to work. Arena and Avalon have a lower class of hookers, but an even higher percentage of hookers than D-Lux. Shooters is a special case: students go there to dabble in their first sex-for-money experiences and also girls to ugly to pass the face control at the top clubs. Byblos, Serebro and Velour are the places where rich Ukrainians pick up their sex-snacks and so the chances that she speaks English are low, but she is likely to charge you premium prices for being so daft to have picked her up there. For a long time Buddha Bar used to be the prostitution center of Kyiv, but lately management has been clamping down strongly on the amount of hookers allowed to enter. Mokko, Richelieu, Ok Bar and Safe are favorite hangouts for some of the most expensive ladies one can find in Kyiv; sipping on one coffee for the whole evening and waiting for some rich man to invite them to share dinner with him and later share his bed. Safe and Ok Bar are by far the worst offenders in this regard and any girl going there regularly is a girl to avoid. All these places have in common, that none of the girls can afford to actually be there, and if she is there it is so to find a man to pay for her: there and hers truly too.
What day of the week did you meet her? Has it been a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday? Remember that any Ukrainian girl, who studies or works will only in the rarest of circumstances go out during the week. Students at Ukrainian universities have an immense work load and must be at class early in the morning; therefore they do not go out during the week and if they do, they will be with a group of friends and head home early. Girls who work, work long hours, need to be at work early in the morning and receive paltry salaries – hence they sleep on weekday evenings and do not have the money to go out to such expensive places. A girl that can go to clubs and restaurants all days of the week is most likely there to sell herself, especially if she is still there after midnight.
What does she do in life? One of the first questions to ask is what a girl does in life; if she answers 'Student', 'Looking for a job', 'Undecided', 'Model', all alarm bells should start ringing at once! Students (see above) neither have the time to go out nor the money; a girl who doesn't work in Kyiv cannot survive in this city (unless her parents are rich – see point below) ; and if she claims to be a model then this is code for 'I think I am a model, because I am a tall and thin hooker! '. Kyiv is a city with thousands of models, none of which earns enough money to pay for even a flat. True top models do not stay in Kyiv, they quickly move to fashion capitals in the West, where they can make more money. 'Models' in Kyiv are tall, thin girls, who sometimes dabble a bit in modeling, but as there are so many of them, none can actually earn her living and 95% of them also work in other ways with their bodies.
Maybe her parents are rich? Well, they might – and there is an easy way to find out: 'Do you have a car? ' if she confirms ask what car it is. A girl from a truly rich family will have her own car and not just some cheap little Japanese one, but a Lexus or Mercedes jeep or even a Porsche Cayenne. But then a girl from such a family wouldn't be found at a place full of hookers like e. G. Safe. She would be at one of the luxury restaurants foreigners don't even know about, and she wouldn't speak with you. Chances are high that a girl going out to the above mentioned clubs and talking to a foreigner with a car in the 50k$ range got this car as a gift from one of her wealthy married lovers. But if she doesn't have a car and doesn't work, then she is very likely a prostitute. No middle class family in Ukraine has the means or the inclination to allow their daughters not to work after university, and if a girl doesn't have a car and doesn't work, then her source of income is between her legs, which pays nicely for life in Kyiv, but won't earn her enough for buying a car.
Phrases and keywords to look out for: There are phrases that if uttered are a clear sign that you should move on. The most obvious of them are: 'I like generous man' means 'I look for a sucker to pay for everything! '; 'I am not a girl for the average man! ' means 'My body is only for men from 100k $ disposable income p. A. And up! '; 'I am a popular girl! ' means 'I already have a lot of clients, so if you want me – start the bidding! '; 'This is a real Gucci / Prada / etc. Bag / watch / etc. ' means 'See what other men paid for me, top them or I will move on. ' and my favorite 'I am not a prostitute' which actually means 'Your offer is to low! '
Other things to look out for: To much makeup, to low cut dresses, breasts hanging halfway out of the bustier, navel piercings – many hookers dress like hookers; but the most common single identification symbol is: not all girls in Kyiv with an iPhone are hookers, but all hookers in Kyiv have an iPhone! Always the newest model and always nearby to show they have it; naturally they had it presented to them by one of their clients, because none of them ever spends her own money on anything.[/QUOTE]Great report. A must read.
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'It's also possible that you haven't been to Ukraine or the DR and simply don't know what you're talking about. But I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you have seen both types of girls, so the difference of opinion is explained by a difference in personal taste. '
LJ, I don't need Google translate to communicate in both states. Takes out the intrigue although. My post was about money only. Also without a thorough nightly test drive, security check and references I would not venture with a girl across the world into a third world country where you can find your ass jailed at a whim if only vaguely known hooker misbehaves
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Vk
Any comrades want to be friends on VKontake, share contacts? I'm new but working on it. Message me. YP, Kirch, LJ, thanks for all your great posts.
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[QUOTE=Kirch;1348196]Not only in Kiev but all over CIS countries![/QUOTE]Thanks, maybe the best pieces of writing ever posted in this thread. I especially enjoyed the part II. The three parts deserve a ROD, but you are right, the part II and III are valid for all FSU countries and should also be present in the ROD threads of the Moldova, Belarus, Russia, ect forums.
I would be interested to know where you found it BTW. If you have time, could you PM me the site?
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Just to mention, those great Kiev reports are not written by myself! Found on web
Just to mention, those great Kiev reports are not written by myself! Found on web.
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Saloons in Kiev
As posted I am not the one who wrote those fantastic reports! I found it in the internet.
But this is exactly what I experienced in about 13 years of travveling thru the CIS Countries.
For me Salon Dolly is ok (look for salon dolly Kiev and you should find it). There is another one but I don't remember the name.
Good luck!
[QUOTE=Naykan; 1348455]Hi Kirch,
Thanks for your reports.
How about saloons in Kiev?
Which one is the best for you?
Adress and tel. Number are very welcome.
Thanks in advance.
Naykan.[/QUOTE]
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Working girls in Kiev
[QUOTE=Kirch; 1348200]Here's the last post of this report I've found in the internet. YES! It's the truth and I had to laugh all the time reading it. Enjoy.
If you still want to date a girl, who fits all or some of the description above, feel free to do so. But be aware that she will be with you only as long it makes financial sense for her. Furthermore do yourself a favor and send her to the gynecologist before you sleep with her without a condom: vaginal bacteria are as common as iPhones with girls in D-Lux and furthermore none of them takes the anti-baby pill.
Per se these girls are not bad, but they are lazy. The reason these girls prefer to sell themselves is not, because they need the money, the sole reason is that they are too lazy to do any kind of work; work in any form is anathema to them, but at the same time they want a luxurious lifestyle without doing anything for it but pulling their legs apart and looking at the ceiling for twenty minutes.
If you wish to find a girl worthy of your affection and for a long lasting relationship, don't go out to the clubs mentioned at the beginning of the blog. There your chances to find a girl worthy of your time and energy are zero. Work and make friends with your work colleagues. They will take you along to their get-togethers, where you will meet their friends and their sisters. All of whom do work, all of whom will have little money, and among these you will find a beautiful, smart, sweet, wonderful girl that is neither lazy nor obsessed with money. Remember: any girl that has no job, but lives in her own flat is most likely to be a hooker. The girls you want to meet, date and love are those who study and work since they were seventeen years old.
And if you are really desperate for intimacy, then don't bother to go to D-Lux or Safe, or the like: go to Rio Strip Club next to the opera: there girls are friendlier, more honest, younger, available, cheaper and cleaner.[/QUOTE]Thanks Kirch! Quick question. Maybe I missed it in your posts. But, if one is looking for the higher-end, model type hookers, what is the best place?
- Bill
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Rio
I was at Rio less than two months ago. The girls were not hot and I will not return. One of the things that always strikes me about that place is the disappointment in the eyes of the new guys that show up for the first time. Rio is a relic of Kiev's past and something comparable to Gia agency, a business in decline. As mongers, we all understand how the internet changed the dynamics of prostitution and pulled many girls from the streets. Rio was born from a time when girls could not market themselves without a physical venue. Things are different and it's all about the internet in Kiev.
Also, in regards to Mamba, its not as easy as some members may have you believe. Everything a guy could want is there but the door to every girl is not always open. Prostitution is more complicated in Kiev because it takes on forms of sponsorship. The quality girls want to know who they are meeting and do things at there own pace.
One last thing, the girls know the value of there pussy. So if you are looking for that sweet hot college girl with good English and social skills and can perform, she's not coming over for just a $100.
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Massage places at city center in Kiev.
Hi all,
Last week I visited Kiev and I went to the 2 massage salons at city center.
First one is rakuena, you can find all information in their internet site. It is better to make a reservation before going there. The place is very close to Kreshatik Street but really hard to find, even local ukranian people do not know that street. The address is 2/1B, Kruglouniversitetskaya Street (entry by the yard).
First at Kreshatik street, go to the odd numbers to 21-23. Etc. And when you find Bessarabs'ka street, turn left (there is a TGI Friday's) and then go a little bit, turn left
Again. On that street at the right part you can find 2/1 entrance in which many apartments, and you can see the Rakuena sign there.
There are many different prices are written in their internet site, but they are all wrong, currently the price for erotic message-1 hour is 650 UAH, these days they have.
Special offer for double relaxation-1 hour 700 UAH.
So I choose the double relaxation, and it is really nice massage, I choose Sasha for double relaxation at my first day and she is same as the photos at internet site.
Second massage is salon dolly, again they have internet site and girls are same as the photos. This place is at Pushkinskaya street 9B, number is 62, which is one parallel of the Kreshatik Street. There is a Kreshatik metro station, take it on your behind and just go across the street, then turn first left and you can find 9B entrance, there are some apartments there and you should enter into the one with black door which is open everytime, number 62 is in the second floor, there is no sign of the massage salon.
The prices are cheaper than rakuena. 1 hour erotic massage is 350 UAH and double relaxation-1. 5 hour is 600 UAH. I went there at my last day before my plane and
Chose 1 hour massage with Nika and her massage is really nice.
There is also another massage salon called Roksolena that I found its name at internet, but it was already closed. Other massage salons do not have english internet site, so I did not try them yet.
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Kirch
Kirch writes the most BRILLIANT insightful report into hookers (applies to most countries' women actually) and Prosal, Jojosun + buddies still carry on about Mini Coopers and irrelevant shit. Well done boys. BUT. Take a little time, SMELL the roses. And read what Kirch said. See if you can add some value to this mostly worthless Kiev thread. Shame because some the hottest types I have been with come from a 500 mile radius around that marvellous EE city.
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Vk
I have noticed that a lot of girls in Kiev post very professional photography of themselves in there profiles. Is this a sign of sponsorship? Maybe girls are just into photography in Kiev.
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Funny and interesting report. Good description of anthropology. There are some big mistakes, but the reasoning is good. You forgot: prostitution to have children and called marriage. We are more than 7 billions people and 95% of us are son of prostitutes.
[QUOTE=Kirch; 1348198]Another one with so much truth. LOL.
Long-term prostitution with one man: a special case is the many girls in Kyiv, who do not prostitute themselves with many men, but who prostitute themselves with a series of rich men. The girls call these men 'my boyfriend' and insist that they are very much in love. If that were so, why do they live apart? In most cases the reason is that the man is married and thus places the girl in a centrally located flat to a) buy her and be) have a place to use her. It is a bit more difficult to find out about such girls, but it's also possible: clear signs are once again that she doesn't work, that she has a upscale flat in the center, that she goes all the time to expensive restaurants, that she lives alone and that she frequently travels outside of Ukraine (with her 'boyfriend' of course). Such girls have nothing to do all day, they go to the fitness studio, they visit café after café, they meet some friends and wait all week around for the time her sponsor comes to use her at his flat. Such girls will never have time to meet you for two reasons: the first is that in the evening they need to be available for their paymaster before he heads to his family's place, and the second reason is that usually his friends know about her and if she is found to meet another man for a date, she risks losing her job and flat. Only if such a girl senses that she is about to lose her current paymaster or that you are ready to take over as paymaster, she will become active and want to meet you; until then she 'is a busy girl', 'has so much to do', 'has so little free time', and so many other idiotic excuses why she cannot meet you, during the 23 hours of the day she has nothing to do.
Short-term prostitution with many men: another special case is girls, who have a series of boyfriends that change repeatedly and abruptly. These girls, like the ones above, have their own flat, they visit expensive restaurants etc. The main difference is that these girls rent their flats themselves, while the above live in flats owned or rented by their sponsor. To make sure that they have money for their flats they will continuously switch between wealthy boyfriends with the intent to secure money for rent and food. Relationships of 2-3 weeks are not uncommon and also these girls insist that they are in 'love'. These girls are most often the most diseased of the girls you can meet; while the long-term sponsored girls sleep with just one man and the full-time prostitutes use condoms with their clients, these girls sleep with their 'boyfriends' without condoms (they are in love after all!) and ignore the fact that such guys have a dozen 'girlfriends' at any given time. Also these girls might be in 'love' with many men at the same time. And if by the end of the month they did not manage to find their rent, you can find them at D-Lux desperate to sell themselves for the rent.
Mamba: mamba. Ru is where all prostitutes in Ukraine converge, looking for either a sponsor or for some quick hourly sex for money deals. A girl with a profile there is a prostitute; the few exceptions are in the single digits and leave the site quickly. Mamba is difficult to mine for information, but if you have the time it will yield endless information about professional hookers, the reason being that the girls while using fake names enter their true birthdays and use the same photos as on vkontakte. If you manage to find a girl you do like in real life on mamba, write her there under an assumed identity, and you can be sure to receive the prices, conditions and services she offers and also the list of her girlfriends she can bring along.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1348092]In all the times I have taken a girl out from Rio, I have NEVER negotiated or paid anything to Rio or its employees for the girl's time when she went out with me. In all cases, I ONLY negotiated with the girl directly and ONLY paid the girl directly.
Therefore, your last statement that the girl told you to pay Rio is suspect to me. You must have misunderstood.
If a girl is considering a date with you, in which you pay her for her time and companionship, you will necessarily have to negotiate with her directly. So she said to you that she wants $500 for a day with you. Since you intend to take her on a week long vacation somewhere nice, I would try to negotiate with her and ask if she will accept a flat rate for a full week that takes into account the expenses you will incur in taking her on a vacation, and suggest to her the amount you would like to pay her for a week on vacation. Maybe she will accept, or come back to you with some intermediate proposal. Negotiate with her. What can it hurt? No one connected with the club will speak to you about this, though. Of that I'm quite sure.
LJ[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info.
I had just assumed that, just like $300 for 3 hours was fixed by Rio, $500 per day was fixed by Rio.
I'm still assuming that if I give her $500 per day, $250 goes to Rio and she keeps $250?
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[QUOTE=Kirch; 1348175]If she says she has to deal with Rio she is either new there (and is scared) or she doesn`t like you too much. Either way, if she is a stunning girl and doing great service this is a great deal! In Germany we are spoiled (FKK Clubs) but to find a real hot girl doing a great service you won't get this price in Germany! Forget about all the posts telling you something else! Girls from Shooters or Vodka bar (in general!) are average girls with "ok" service. Remember, I said if she is a stunning girl with great service! Of course all of us met girls who are beautiful for us and the service is great because there is chemistry BUT this is very rare. If you don't have much time spending in Kiev, go with her. If you have plenty of time, you are in good age (between 20something and 45 years old) , looking ok and respect the girls, you should go out to "normal" places and wait until find something for free. .
Don't listen to some of the people here. Talking too much and not so often in Kiev. I'm here 2-3 times every month and don't post here anymore because there are so many men (mostly from the US) talking too much and they are in Kiev or elsewhere in Russia (may be) 1 or 4 times a year. How can they say something. (Not talking about some great people here telling the truth like me (at least I think so)
Coming to Kiev now for may be 2 years, I spend 80% of my time in Kiev with girls I know and don't pay for them (and some of them I don't even f*). The rest of the time I go to Rio or Mandarin (not because I get money from them to post here) because that are places you can trust! And you don't waste time if you don't have time.
(Posting for the people that are not posting here) LOL.[/QUOTE]"If she says she has to deal with Rio she is either new there (and is scared) or she doesn`t like you too much."
Just curious how you come up with this statement. Are you saying Rio girls in fact don't have to deal with Rio when they go on vacation? Do you think she was lying to me when she said I have to pay Rio $500 per day because I met her at Rio, and Rio will find out one way or another if she goes on vacation with me without telling Rio?
Thanks
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[QUOTE=Chill Bill; 1348550]Thanks Kirch! Quick question. Maybe I missed it in your posts. But, if one is looking for the higher-end, model type hookers, what is the best place?
- Bill[/QUOTE]Bill, if you can ask such a question after reading Kirch's reports, then you certainly did "miss it"!
The article reproduced by Kirch on this thread, is written in clever tongue-in-cheek fashion, from the perspective of one who is seeking a wholesome, good Ukrainian girl, for a real love relationship. As such, the writer wishes to avoid any Ukrainian girls who engage in selling their bodies in exchange for money and gifts and support, since such girls will have been used by many benefactors, and will not be unsullied girls worthy of one's real love.
However, in giving us insights on how to recognize if a Ukrainian girl is engaged in any form of prostitution from the low end to the high end of the scale in such profession, in order to know how to avoid such girls in the article writer's quest for true love, at the same time the writer also educates those of us looking for the opposite, I. E. Hookers to bang for money, on how to recognize such p4p girls for our purposes as well. It's just that the writer, and those of his mindset who disdain hookers, will be fleeing away from such p4p girls, those of us interested in p4p will be figuring out how to make an approach to such a girl, if we fancy what she looks like.
So, all you need to do, Bill, is drive in reverse, and use the well written article to guide you on where to find the hot, model looking hookers, and how to recognize if a beautiful girl is of the type that you might be successful in renting her pussy for a temporary honeymoon. Therefore, all those places which the writer specified are the worst places to meet a nice, wholesome, pure girl, who never sold her body, that is worthy of your love in a real relationship. Those are the places you should go to in order to find the hookers you seek who look like high end models, and with whom you stand a chance of having sex with if you are able to pony up the fee. C'mon, use your intelligence, man. Read the thread and educate yourself. Kirch has already written about his favored way to get hot p4p model type girls many times before on this thread. And he concluded his recent posts with that conclusion as well. You can find model level hot p4p girls in Kiev at the nightclubs listed in the article, or at the strip clubs in Kiev, of which Kirch mentioned Rio and Mandarin, my own favorites because their prices are lower than the other strip clubs, but there are other strip clubs with very hot model type girls, albeit at an even higher price tag.
Note: the article exaggerated the numbers of p4p hookers present in the nightclubs mentioned. It is not true that there are 80% and higher density of p4p girls attending these nightclubs. I believe that figure is way too high based on my own experience, as well as reading reports of others here on this thread. But, who cares if the percentage of hookers present in the nightclub is somewhat lower than 80, the point is that there is a significant enough hooker presence to make it worthwhile to go there to find hot hookers, or semi-pros. The article did make an interesting point about mid-week versus weekends. Maybe the percentage of hookers present is higher mid-week than on weekends, because normal girls can't go out and party till all hours mid-week, due to the constraints of their university or work obligations.
LJ
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[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1348848]. Had a quick lookie at about 8 pages of your posts. Vienna, Budapest, Morocco, Tunisia. Gambia, Medellin etc. It doesn't mention KIEv.
Have you actually been there. If not, now you read the reports, are you going to Monger there.[/QUOTE]Yeah, used to live there, married a girl from there. Spent many years after the "end of communism" there. Still party there on occasion (a few times a year). And you are right, I never write on this forum under Kiev because I find 95% of the material here to have been said and the balance to be macho BS but FTR when I go to the Ukraine it is for my main source of business and the pussy is provided by the Oligarchs who we party with, so I have not much value to add to a generic p4p discussion. I will say this though. And it applies especially to KIEV and Odessa. Hit a bar or club a few times and just watch the women. Get WELL known in a place and then hit on the one / s you really want [somewhere down the road]. And you will be getting semi pro trim at worst and many freebies (taxi money kind). If you do NOT have the time to hit a place 4 or 5 times then JUST PAY FOR it at the aforementioned places.
Of all the EE, I find Ukrainian women to be amongst the hottest and the easiest to converse with and generally the simplest to understand. Luxury goods and $$$ are female viagra there.
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[QUOTE=Shevchenko; 1348773]Thanks for the info.
I had just assumed that, just like $300 for 3 hours was fixed by Rio, $500 per day was fixed by Rio.
I'm still assuming that if I give her $500 per day, $250 goes to Rio and she keeps $250?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Shevchenko; 1348777]"If she says she has to deal with Rio she is either new there (and is scared) or she doesn`t like you too much."
Just curious how you come up with this statement. Are you saying Rio girls in fact don't have to deal with Rio when they go on vacation? Do you think she was lying to me when she said I have to pay Rio $500 per day because I met her at Rio, and Rio will find out one way or another if she goes on vacation with me without telling Rio?
Thanks[/QUOTE]Schevchenko, there are observable things that we can report and know, and there are things we don't know, but can assume either correctly or incorrectly. I'm sure I made it clear enough that no one from the club management ever gets involved in negotiating with you anything concerning a girl dating you. They always tell you that it's not their business, and to discuss it with the girl. What happens to the money you may give the girl for her time and companionship has been the subject of conjecture by writers in this thread in the past. Girls have said different things to different members here. So it is not clear for certain how much of the take out fee the girl keeps in the end. She might keep all of it, she might have to pay for some services she received, she might have to split it. There have been different statements made to different mongers at different times. So the matter is unclear. But it really doesn't matter. Because the bottom line is that you must pay the fee to the girl in advance at the club before taking her out. Even the $300 amount is not fixed, because there is at least one girl asking $500 for three hours (Darina) , but it is a norm accepted by most girls that $300 is sufficient for a three hour date. I related that one girl asked me for $800 for a 24 hour one day date, so a rate of $500 / day is not a standard rate. As I told you, this is something that is negotiable with the girl. Maybe she gave you a low $500 / day rate in contemplation of a week long vacation. For just one full day, $500 is a pretty low rate, considering they are starting at $300 for 3 hours. I don't think your request for a whole week is that usual, so I can't imagine there is any customary set price for it. So you are negotiating a first in all likelihood. But before agreeing to 7 x $500 = $3, 500, for a week vacation with the girl, why don't you pitch a flat fee of $2000 or $2500 for the week, in deference to the fact that you will be paying a few thousand more for her air tickets and accommodations in order to give her this vacation. Who knows? You might get a flat fee package discount on a week.
By the way, the $400 fee which used to be accepted as the fee for all night at Rio, has been eroded. The last time I was negotiating an all night date, I was told that the fee was $400 only if I took the girl out after midnight for 5 hours until closing time. But that if I wanted her to leave the club with me at 10:00 PM (another 2 hours) , then she wanted a $500 fee. I don't think this is the case with all girls, and may just be something particular to this one girl. But it can no longer be assumed that one can take out a girl for all night for $400 and get 8 hours if one takes her out at 9pm until 5pm! I told one of the managers about the demand for $500 from one of the girls for an all night date until 5am that would start at 10pm, and he said it's up to the girls to ask what they want. In the hopes of forestalling a trend, I told him that one of the reasons I came to Rio was that the girls ask a lower price than at other clubs in asking $300/3hours and $400 / all night. But that I could get the same rate of $500 / all night at a competitor, the strip club Dolls. Who knows what will be? Hopefully it is only this one girl at Rio that asks for $500 for an all night date if it begins at 9pm or 10pm, and the rest of the girls will stay with the $400 / all night rate regardless of when it starts.
But you should again be reminded that the strip club rates are higher than what is possible with girls on mamba. Ru who have rates of $75 / hr or $100 / hr. If you found a mamba girl that you liked, you could probably work out a week flat rate that is lower than what you will pay the stripper from Rio. But I do agree that some if the dancers at Rio are hotter than what I've been able to get from mamba to date.
LJ
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True
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1348881]Bill, if you can ask such a question after reading Kirch's reports, then you certainly did "miss it"!
Note: the article exaggerated the numbers of p4p hookers present in the nightclubs mentioned. It is not true that there are 80% and higher density of p4p girls attending these nightclubs. I believe that figure is way too high based on my own experience, as well as reading reports of others here on this thread. But, who cares if the percentage of hookers present in the nightclub is somewhat lower than 80, the point is that there is a significant enough hooker presence to make it worthwhile to go there to find hot hookers, or semi-pros. The article did make an interesting point about mid-week versus weekends. Maybe the percentage of hookers present is higher mid-week than on weekends, because normal girls can't go out and party till all hours mid-week, due to the constraints of their university or work obligations.
LJ[/QUOTE]This part is totally true about a much lower percentage of P4P especially on a Friday & Saturday at a place D'Lux. In terms of what I saw I say more like 20% of the weekends with hottest ones usually not giving foreigners the time of day unless you have some "game" or speak Russian.
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Exclusion Zones.
[QUOTE=Belvaros;1348621]Take a little time, SMELL the roses. And read what Kirch said. See if you can add some value to this mostly worthless Kiev thread. Shame because some the hottest types I have been with come from a 500 mile radius around that marvellous EE city.[/QUOTE].
Belavros. Did what you told us (Porosal, Jojosun, and buddies) to do. No Roses to smell here though, but the smell of some stunners who just left work LOL.
" Each region of Western Ukraine has its own attraction. The Ivano Frankivsk area is very good for relax in Carpathian Mountains. People of the Carpathians keep an old traditions in food, music, fashion and craft. The Ternopil region is a 'green state' because of it's very clean ecologically environment. Besides, this region has 30% of all the ancient castles in all of Ukraine. And finally, Lviv. Lviv is a city of Museums and Concert Halls and simply great place to experience a rich culture.".
Note in the above is (TERNOPIL) not far from LVIV. Read carefully the above.
OK, now 57. 78 miles from KIEV about an hour's drive from KIEV, you have (CHERNOBYL ). They sound similar I know, but they couldn't be more different for obvious reasons.
As far I am concerned, I have an Exclusion Zone to keep away Girls Born in or around (Chernobyl ). In all the times I have been to KIEV I never went to (CHERNOBYL)) , which I hope doesn't include ". Some of the hottest types that you.
Have been with from yr 500 mile radius around that marvellous EE city.".
TERNOPIL, is next on my list along with LIVIV.
I have a friend from there, who said its great to go there in September and October, because that's the traditional time for Weddings. Read (Parties, Fucking female guests, getting hammered on industrial quantities of Vodka ). Note what I said earlier that (I am not interested in Russian Culture ).
West Ukraine is the Place for Ukrainian Culture and Language. TBH I am only going there for the Pussies, Vodka, and Beer.
My Ua friend said he will be my wingman there next fall.
No Luck there? , no tough Shit. Poland is next door. .
Now, was the above of any value?
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Kiev Hotel Bars
Hey everyone,
I have traveled alot in the us and have had many experiences of p4p at the hotel bars I was staying in. How about in Kiev. Are there certain hotel bars that have this kind of action? Which ones and what times? Thanks will be heading to Kiev nov 24-26th.
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Reds under the beds.
[QUOTE=Belvaros; 1348894]Yeah, used to live there, married a girl from there. Spent many years after the "end of communism" there. Still party there on occasion (a few times a year). And you are right, I never write on this forum under Kiev because I find 95% of the material here to have been said and the balance to be macho BS but FTR when I go to the Ukraine it is for my main source of business and the pussy is provided by the Oligarchs who we party with, so I have not much value to add to a generic p4p discussion. I will say this though. And it applies especially to KIEV and Odessa. Hit a bar or club a few times and just watch the women. Get WELL known in a place and then hit on the one / s you really want [somewhere down the road]. And you will be getting semi pro trim at worst and many freebies (taxi money kind). If you do NOT have the time to hit a place 4 or 5 times then JUST PAY FOR it at the aforementioned places.
Of all the EE, I find Ukrainian women to be amongst the hottest and the easiest to converse with and generally the simplest to understand. Luxury goods and $$$ are female viagra there.[/QUOTE]Now you tell me.
I think my late Father would have killed me, had I married a girl from what was then Communist Russia or any woman from What was The Soviet Union.
He spent Years fighting Reds and when he came back home he was always on the lookout for "Reds Under The Beds ".
Your experiences there in KIEV with (Pussy provided by oligarchs you party with) is not available to your Average Joe monger including this jojo.
And to be honest, its Not My Kind Of Fun to be (Spoon Fed a Pussy by an Oligarh) and feel obligated to him.
Besides I see how they carry on when I am in London. They brought with them. The Worst of Russian and FSU culture.
Of all the Ex Russian and FSU Leaders, I found the late (Kruschev) to have been the Funniest. The time he put his Shoes on the Table at a UN meeting in New York.
He must have been the Funniest Ukrainian at the time. So much, even the Grim Looking Russians accepted him as their leader.
Watch him on youtube.
Thanks everyone for reading this.
Here you go Kruschev's Shoes on [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-er3fkMnFYY[/url]
PS. PROSAL, Have a close look at His Shoes.
What (euros) Price tag you put on them.
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Not just Kiev and Odessa.
[QUOTE=Belvaros;1348894]. And you are right, I never write on this forum under Kiev because I find 95% of the material here to have been said and the balance to be macho BS but FTR when I go to the Ukraine it is for my main source of business and the pussy is provided by the Oligarchs who we party with, so I have not much value to add to a generic p4p discussion. I will say this though. And it applies especially to KIEV and Odessa. Hit a bar or club a few times and just watch the women. Get WELL known in a place and then hit on the one / s you really want [somewhere down the road]. And you will be getting semi pro trim at worst and many freebies (taxi money kind). If you do NOT have the time to hit a place 4 or 5 times then JUST PAY FOR it at the aforementioned places.[/QUOTE]I hope this isn't percieved as "macho BS", but I never do any of the above (re your Club Tips ).
I either hit clubs with a really atractive wingwoman (Bi) or with more than one girl.
This I do in clubs in the EE or in the west.
That said. Few weeks ago I flew with me (The Great Dane) a 6ft, Danish American wingwoman and a great friend (a stunner, but a total DYKE) , in the hope of really scoring in the clubs there.
Was a failure. The Dane and my UA girl hated each other from the moment they met.
Kiev girl didn't want to go out or bring any of her female friends to go out clubbing.
Culture clash? . My great dane didn't think much of the dentists there. Didn't like the people, the weather (She was born in CALIF) , the girls, UA men, the buildings. You name it.
She thought and still does I am insane to keep going back there.
Normally its a hit with her in Clubs in London or the US, especially at clubs in DC.
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[QUOTE=Jojosun;1349240]PS. PROSAL, Have a close look at His Shoes.[/QUOTE]It's a very nice, would say Borat.
BTW. I posted a youtube link in the Russian forum, maybe you've missed it?
Song is named "I'm going to live in London" (for the rest, I let you translate wink) , improbable duo between Timati and Gregori Leps.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKu3DLJ3bVM[/url]
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[QUOTE=Belvaros;1348621]Prosal.[/QUOTE]Belvaros, I admittedly get drunk and post shit of questionable relevancy at times but IMO, given numbers of photos, entertaining account featuring lot of booze and women, elaborated lists of where to go in Tashkent, Chisinau, Bucarest or wherever, posts about Russian women psyche, Russian culture, ect, I have certainly earned the right to do so. Furthermore although I may be a jerk, I have met more than a few members from the ISG and I believe that they have found me to be unassuming, personable, and most of all skilled comrade. I hope that I do not come across as a braggart, as those people normally appear quite uncouth online. Furthermore, if some posters indispose you, you still have the option to use the "ignore" button.
It sounds strange BTW that you allegedly go "several times a year" in Kiev and never ever posted a single word on the thread. You seem to be a rather prolix person about everywhere you go, and it's definitely weird that you never posted about a coutry where you allegedly lived and visit regularly.
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[QUOTE=TennisMan; 1348997]Hey everyone,
I have traveled alot in the us and have had many experiences of p4p at the hotel bars I was staying in. How about in Kiev. Are there certain hotel bars that have this kind of action? Which ones and what times? Thanks will be heading to Kiev nov 24-26th.[/QUOTE]Definitely available in khreschatyk hotel. Quality 5-6/10 and service OK. I would not use again unless I have to. I think also available in President Hotel.
I would prefer Mamba if I have time. Alternatively you may try clubs like Caribean, Budha, DLux. You can read information about clubs here but they are at least 2-3 times more expansive than Mamba. Third option is escort agencies like escort model and top model. Pictures mostly are fake but you may still get reasonable quality at reasonable price. It a hit or mis.
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Prosal
[QUOTE=Prosal; 1349320]Belvaros, I admittedly get drunk and post shit of questionable relevancy at times but IMO, given numbers of photos, entertaining account featuring lot of booze and women, elaborated lists of where to go in Tashkent, Chisinau, Bucarest or wherever, posts about Russian women psyche, Russian culture, ect, I have certainly earned the right to do so. Furthermore although I may be a jerk, I have met more than a few members from the ISG and I believe that they have found me to be unassuming, personable, and most of all skilled comrade.
I.[/QUOTE]I concur with the above. Prosal was the one who got my attention focused on Tashkent.
I was misled by an article on travel there, re prices. Prosal was right. I apologized to him on here.
Furthermore Prosal does post links on relevant subjects, goes out hunting for freebies (not my scene) , posts photos. He posted that he met (2 credible ISG members) in Paris.
In a nutshell he is a Real Person.
I didn't realize at the time that Prosal is or was SINGLE. This accounts for the number of EE girls, he says visit him in PARIS.
The MINI COOPER thing. To be fair to PRO, he only posted that to correct what Climaxnow posted on the Minsk thread " Prosal Drives A Yellow Posrsche ".
Prosal driving a British legend from the 60s speaks volumes. And I bet that Prosal also loves to play (Rule Rule Brittania, Brittania Rules France)
Prosal is not the typical Frenchman either, that the Two Michelin star French chef Claude Bosi, who runs Hibiscus Restaturant <Mayfair, London, had in mind, when he said "France is now a country of Lazy People. They live in the past and just live on their reputations ". .
Mr Bosi also said " I don't employ any Frenchmen in my kitchen. All they do is ask,"What time is my break. As published in Spear's magazine, .
Next thing we we will hear from someone is that (Prosal owns a Yellow Submarine ).
To go with the Fictious Yellow Porsche.
Never mind PROSAL. You can use ""The Yellow Submarine " to Go Down on the EE girls who come to visit you in Paris.
And I bet you will love doing DATY to the lyrics and sound of " We All Live in a Yellow Submarine ".
Another great (British Classic) by the Beatles.
On a side note. Where were you? When The great French Legend Jonny Haliday came to London for a great Live Performance last month. You ain't a follower?
I was on the lookout for you holding in my hand your photo with that girl in Paris.
Thank you for listening.
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Prosal
[QUOTE=Prosal;1349320]I admittedly get drunk and post shit of questionable relevancy at times.[/QUOTE]I do it as well. But we mean well. And secondly when you think of it, it ain't half as bad as some of The Bollocks posted very recently on here.
Never mind Prosal. This thread is a like " A Yellow Submarine " we live, lurk and post [url]here.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wrs5DjHNUOE[/url]
But what fucks me off, are the ones Who Live in Glass Houses (Probably Partying with Oligarchs at Penthouses, Pussies delivered with the food) slagging off this thread without having posted anything at all.
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Kiev
[QUOTE=Prosal;1349320]Belvaros, I admittedly get drunk and post shit of questionable relevancy at times but IMO, given numbers of photos, entertaining account featuring lot of booze and women, elaborated lists of where to go in Tashkent, Chisinau, Bucarest or wherever, posts about Russian women psyche, Russian culture, ect, I have certainly earned the right to do so. .[/QUOTE]Of course you have the right to post, so does anyone who cares to get off his Arse and post here. Whether relevant or not, is a matter of Opinion. And as they say "Opinions are like Asses, we all have one ". .
Isn't it a matter of Freedom of choice these days what we do with our Asses.
To get back on the matter of costs in KIEV for P4P and Clubs, freebies etc.
Its very relevant to compare Kiev's costs with other places. And I am grateful in this respect to Prosal for listing prices in Tashkent.
You'v got to have a certain benchmark of prices to compare with.
After all this board is like a Price Comparison site for sex, be it p4p, semi pros, or freebies.
Liljoey's in depth cost analysis posts are very relevant as well.
Talking about that detailed Article (You said it was the best ever) about Sex In Kiev (KIRCH posted it, he DIDN't Write it). Now I wonder whether it was actually Written by a humble (Liljoey ).
With his track record on here going back to 2010, I should think he is more than capable of writing such an article.
Read his first post here " Where have all the River Palace girls Gone?".
Now, will the real writer of the article please Stand Up?
At least we can give credit where credit is Due.
Aurevoir.
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Coming 2 Kiev soon.
[quote=prosal; 1349303]it's a very nice, would say borat.
btw. i posted a youtube link in the russian forum, maybe you've missed it?
song is named "i'm going to live in london" (for the rest, i let you translate wink) , improbable duo between timati and gregori leps.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wku3dlj3bvm[/url][/quote]hi prosal. this of relevance here.
i don't lurk on the russian thread. i would if, i see anything on kaliningrad.
you know me i am into p4p and semi pros in ee, if the price is right.
" going to live in london " yes, they can.
brittania is expanding and will include the rest of europe including ukraine and russaia. solving for them" identity issues", and curb corruption.
stopping your politicans [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] hotel maids. teach the wives of yr politicans to stop fucking around.
your salvation is to be ruled by brittania.
anyway look on (susan bullock) here and see if anyone can recommend for me a wench in kiev.
i am serious. susan looks russian, ukrainian and i fancy this type eometimes.
maybe i need to go to that excellent tip of yours, (thenk you babushka) in kiev, .
club <restaurant.
now get yourself a union jack flag and wave it i the air and singalong to go with the atmosphere.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmr7x1lpxvq[/url]
remember, it was rememberance day in the uk last sunday.
it would be your way of saying thank you for the excellent engish in your informative posts.
you old french git, lol.
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[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1349625]Of course you have the right to post, so does anyone who cares to get off his Arse and post here. Whether relevant or not, is a matter of Opinion. And as they say "Opinions are like Asses, we all have one ". .
Isn't it a matter of Freedom of choice these days what we do with our Asses.
To get back on the matter of costs in KIEV for P4P and Clubs, freebies etc.
Its very relevant to compare Kiev's costs with other places. And I am grateful in this respect to Prosal for listing prices in Tashkent.
You'v got to have a certain benchmark of prices to compare with.
After all this board is like a Price Comparison site for sex, be it p4p, semi pros, or freebies.
Liljoey's in depth cost analysis posts are very relevant as well.
Talking about that detailed Article (You said it was the best ever) about Sex In Kiev (KIRCH posted it, he DIDN't Write it). Now I wonder whether it was actually Written by a humble (Liljoey ).
With his track record on here going back to 2010, I should think he is more than capable of writing such an article.
Read his first post here " Where have all the River Palace girls Gone?".
Now, will the real writer of the article please Stand Up?
At least we can give credit where credit is Due.
Aurevoir.[/QUOTE]Thank you for suspecting me, Jojo, because the article posted by Kirch was a good piece of writing. But, nope, it wasn't me. I don't know where he found it. Maybe Kirch will post the link, and we'll all find out, unless it's censored by Big Brother.
LJ
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Coming to Kiev soon.
[QUOTE=Prosal; 1349303]It's a very nice, would say Borat.
BTW. I posted a youtube link in the Russian forum, maybe you've missed it?
Song is named "I'm going to live in London" (for the rest, I let you translate wink) , improbable duo between Timati and Gregori Leps.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKu3DLJ3bVM[/url][/QUOTE]Hi Prosal,
This of relevance here.
It would be your way of Saying Thank You For the Excellent Engish in Your Informative Posts.
You Old French Git, LOL.
Re Old Git. I meant in this context, (YOU) Getting Older.
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Beautiful Girl 22 nice tits (5)
Hi at all,
Anybody need help with a girl in Kiev?
I know a beautiful redhaired girl, she like all sex.)
22/165cm / 45Kg She looks nearly to a Modell. (9. 0)
For one night with her you must pay 2200grn.
2-3 hours also aviable (1400grn)
When you are interested, send me PN with mail Adress and your age.
Then I send you Foto and Mail Adress from the girl and you must make all clear with her.
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They send to Saudi!
[QUOTE=AlbertaGuy;1343326]Yes I'm having the same issue. Any help would be welcome.[/QUOTE]Just upgraded and used my +966 mobile! Bez bezarra!
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[QUOTE=TennisMan; 1348997]Hey everyone,
I have traveled alot in the us and have had many experiences of p4p at the hotel bars I was staying in. How about in Kiev. Are there certain hotel bars that have this kind of action? Which ones and what times? Thanks will be heading to Kiev nov 24-26th.[/QUOTE]Dear TennisMan,
I see that you only have 4 posts, this one and 3 prior posts asking how / where to get a SIM card for your iPhone 4. So in addition to what GlobalSurfer wrote to you, I would give you the advice that I give all newbies. You must read this thread going back a year or two, wading through all the irrelevant stuff, and picking out the information useful to you, and copy / pasting it into a Word document or similar for later review, in order to arrive at a clearer picture of how to go about a mongering trip to Kiev. I know nothing of your interests save that you liked the ease with which one can pick up hotel bar hookers in other locales you visited and thought you might do the same in Kiev. As you may have gleaned from GlobalSurfer's reply to you, that is a poor choice because Kiev truly has so much more to offer, even lazy guys like me and you!
Since you will be in Kiev next week for the Thanksgiving holiday long weekend, it might be a lot to read, so since many of my own reports are specifically designed to be a summary of information to guide a newbie like yourself, and since you seem to share my viewpoint of doing things efficiently in the way that requires the least effort, I will recommend to you to do a quick review of my postings going back in time, and you will get a fair picture of the various options and how best to go about pursuing them. For the more recent posts, simply click on my username and then click on the option "View Forum Posts" and you will get a list of posts. Hopefully you can go back in time quickly enough to hit some of the summary type reports I did, which will help you. Of course there are reports by many others that are very useful too, but I made a point of creating summaries designed to assist the newbie every once in a while, and in my opinion you will benefit from reading them.
Different mongers on this thread like to monger differently. All prefer to see what the girl looks like before choosing her. So I will comment on the places that allow that first, which includes nightclubs and strip clubs, as well as in streets and stores all over Kiev.
Some like a nightclub atmosphere, and disdain the environment inside a strip club. If that's your thing, then take a look at Kirch's recent multi-part post for the names of the various nightclubs where there are many hookers, much hotter than what you might find in the hotel bar. D'lux seems to be one of the hottest clubs, but the prices asked are higher there also. The Buddha Bar is not a dance nightclub, but rather a restaurant with a bar area that gets a lot of high priced hooker hotties. Lower priced type hookers, or what has become known as "semi-pro" girls who aren't full time hookers, but will do p4p sometimes, are to be found at Caribbean, as per reports earlier on this thread, and Shooters has been a favored club for hooker or semi-pro lower cost WG's.
If you don't care as much about the dance environment, as much as you care about whether the girls will be the hottest and that they will be easy to identify and get to, you should definitely add the strip clubs to your list of mongering, my own favorites being Rio and Mandarin because it has slightly lower prices for take out than other strip clubs.
If you want to take advantage of the low cost girls available in Kiev who go for $75 / hr or $100 / hr, you can either hope to meet such a girl in places like Caribbean club or Shooters where a few members writing on this thread claim it was possible, or you can try the Internet girls who have these low prices. Mamba. Ru is a social website that has a lot of girls doing p4p and you must converse with them to obtain their details and prices, which are pretty low, for the most part. There is also top-modals. Com and other websites. These websites for the most part use fake pictures and if the girl doesn't look good enough you can send her away with taxi fare of around 50 UAH, and keep trying because often enough a good looking hottie will show up.
All of those options are better than limiting yourself to your hotel's bar! But see my earlier posts for further details and the posts of others on this thread.
Kiev is not like the Delrey Hotel in San Jose, Costa Rica where the action is pretty good at the hotel, and the alternative is going to the massage parlors. In Kiev you must go and find the hotties. But how to do so has been laid out for you like a chart.
Also, general opinion is that renting a luxury apartment downtown in the vicinity of Khreshchatyk is the better way, than staying at hotels in Kiev. You get much more for your money in an apartment, including privacy.
And, while I'm writing, let me answer your iPhone 4 question to the extent I can. Go on Google Maps and locate Khreshchatyk Street and look for its intersection with Bogdana Khmelnitskogo Street. It is a "T" intersection. Proceed up Bogdana Khmelnitskogo Street from the intersection and among the first few stores on your left will be the phone store for the telephone provider "Kyivstar". I went in to the Kyivstar store because my existing SIM in an old Blackberry quad band phone was from Kyivstar, and I wanted to know if their SIM card could be used for a data connection, as I wanted to have access to the Internet also, since until now I was only using phone and text messaging services with their prepaid account. Anyways, they said that for a Blackberry they couldn't do a data capable SIM card, and that I should go to the other phone company, which is called "MTC". To get to the MTC store, just go back out onto the street and continue further up Bogdana Khmelnitskogo and look for the MTC store on your right side as you walk, and you will find it about a block or so further up the street. One of these two stores (Kyivstar or MTC) should be able to set you up with a SIM card for your iPhone. Also, before you start walking up Bogdana Khmelnitskogo Street from Khreshchatyk, you might want to simply ask in the iPhone store that is located on Khreshchatyk a few stores from the same intersection (in the direction toward Terasa Shevchenko) where to get the SIM card you need.
Do some reading on this thread. It will come in handy. Good luck mongering in Kiev. I hope you spread your wings farther than your hotel lobby.
LJ
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[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1349667]Hi Prosal,
This of relevance here.
It would be your way of Saying Thank You For the Excellent Engish in Your Informative Posts.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Dasvidania for tonight (wink)
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9RcdLCJkw4[/url]
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For what it
Just for the record, this video is a running joke against kavkaz (caucasus) people in Russia.
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Thanks Again
Thanks again for your help. I have read all your posts from a year ago and they are most helpful. I am renting from kievapts Alex and staying close to k st. I am walking distance to Rio strip club and looking forwarding to checking it out.
I am from the NYC area and visited ac over the weekend and all the working girls were at the casino hotel bar / clubs. Hadn't read much about it in Kiev. Going along to a dance club for a 47 old doesn't seem all that, but maybe I'll give shooters or delux a shoot too.
I have been working mamba and have several girls phone numbers t, o call when I get there. Can also mamba and vk if I'm bored during the day. I really would love to meet a beautiful 37 year old blond with a perfect body. Just my age thing. If any one can suggest anything else let me know or pm me.
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Where to find the article I
If you want to find the webpage with the great Kiev Hookers post than just copy and paste some sentences of this report and put into google.
It's an expat from Kiev wrote this.
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[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1349740]Dear TennisMan,
I see that you only have 4 posts, this one and 3 prior posts asking how / where to get a SIM card for your iPhone 4. So in addition to what GlobalSurfer wrote to you, I would give you the advice that I give all newbies. You must read this thread going back a year or two, wading through all the irrelevant stuff, and picking out the information useful to you, and copy / pasting it into a Word document or similar for later review, in order to arrive at a clearer picture of how to go about a mongering trip to Kiev. I know nothing of your interests save that you liked the ease with which one can pick up hotel bar hookers in other locales you visited and thought you might do the same in Kiev. As you may have gleaned from GlobalSurfer's reply to you, that is a poor choice because Kiev truly has so much more to offer, even lazy guys like me and you!
Since you will be in Kiev next week for the Thanksgiving holiday long weekend, it might be a lot to read, so since many of my own reports are specifically designed to be a summary of information to guide a newbie like yourself, and since you seem to share my viewpoint of doing things efficiently in the way that requires the least effort, I will recommend to you to do a quick review of my postings going back in time, and you will get a fair picture of the various options and how best to go about pursuing them. For the more recent posts, simply click on my username and then click on the option "View Forum Posts" and you will get a list of posts. Hopefully you can go back in time quickly enough to hit some of the summary type reports I did, which will help you. Of course there are reports by many others that are very useful too, but I made a point of creating summaries designed to assist the newbie every once in a while, and in my opinion you will benefit from reading them.
Different mongers on this thread like to monger differently. All prefer to see what the girl looks like before choosing her. So I will comment on the places that allow that first, which includes nightclubs and strip clubs, as well as in streets and stores all over Kiev.
Some like a nightclub atmosphere, and disdain the environment inside a strip club. If that's your thing, then take a look at Kirch's recent multi-part post for the names of the various nightclubs where there are many hookers, much hotter than what you might find in the hotel bar. D'lux seems to be one of the hottest clubs, but the prices asked are higher there also. The Buddha Bar is not a dance nightclub, but rather a restaurant with a bar area that gets a lot of high priced hooker hotties. Lower priced type hookers, or what has become known as "semi-pro" girls who aren't full time hookers, but will do p4p sometimes, are to be found at Caribbean, as per reports earlier on this thread, and Shooters has been a favored club for hooker or semi-pro lower cost WG's.
If you don't care as much about the dance environment, as much as you care about whether the girls will be the hottest and that they will be easy to identify and get to, you should definitely add the strip clubs to your list of mongering, my own favorites being Rio and Mandarin because it has slightly lower prices for take out than other strip clubs.
If you want to take advantage of the low cost girls available in Kiev who go for $75 / hr or $100 / hr, you can either hope to meet such a girl in places like Caribbean club or Shooters where a few members writing on this thread claim it was possible, or you can try the Internet girls who have these low prices. Mamba. Ru is a social website that has a lot of girls doing p4p and you must converse with them to obtain their details and prices, which are pretty low, for the most part. There is also top-modals. Com and other websites. These websites for the most part use fake pictures and if the girl doesn't look good enough you can send her away with taxi fare of around 50 UAH, and keep trying because often enough a good looking hottie will show up.
All of those options are better than limiting yourself to your hotel's bar! But see my earlier posts for further details and the posts of others on this thread.
Kiev is not like the Delrey Hotel in San Jose, Costa Rica where the action is pretty good at the hotel, and the alternative is going to the massage parlors. In Kiev you must go and find the hotties. But how to do so has been laid out for you like a chart.
Also, general opinion is that renting a luxury apartment downtown in the vicinity of Khreshchatyk is the better way, than staying at hotels in Kiev. You get much more for your money in an apartment, including privacy.
And, while I'm writing, let me answer your iPhone 4 question to the extent I can. Go on Google Maps and locate Khreshchatyk Street and look for its intersection with Bogdana Khmelnitskogo Street. It is a "T" intersection. Proceed up Bogdana Khmelnitskogo Street from the intersection and among the first few stores on your left will be the phone store for the telephone provider "Kyivstar". I went in to the Kyivstar store because my existing SIM in an old Blackberry quad band phone was from Kyivstar, and I wanted to know if their SIM card could be used for a data connection, as I wanted to have access to the Internet also, since until now I was only using phone and text messaging services with their prepaid account. Anyways, they said that for a Blackberry they couldn't do a data capable SIM card, and that I should go to the other phone company, which is called "MTC". To get to the MTC store, just go back out onto the street and continue further up Bogdana Khmelnitskogo and look for the MTC store on your right side as you walk, and you will find it about a block or so further up the street. One of these two stores (Kyivstar or MTC) should be able to set you up with a SIM card for your iPhone. Also, before you start walking up Bogdana Khmelnitskogo Street from Khreshchatyk, you might want to simply ask in the iPhone store that is located on Khreshchatyk a few stores from the same intersection (in the direction toward Terasa Shevchenko) where to get the SIM card you need.
Do some reading on this thread. It will come in handy. Good luck mongering in Kiev. I hope you spread your wings farther than your hotel lobby.
LJ[/QUOTE]Hi looks like know Kiev good.
I need some hepl and here is what I am looking for. Independents.
Websites where I can fine independents on. Did try mail. Ru and mamba with no luck.
Websites where I can fine info on the stripclubs in Kiev.
What are the good clubs to fine W / G, s in like Shooters.
In your book what should I do rent a apt or a hotel.
TY for any info you have. Mike
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[QUOTE=AColonizer;1349736]I meant "Paying more than US$100 " First Hour " in KIEV is not "Shit" or Illegal, its just being an IDIOT." or better a man who pays 100$ for the first hour of pseudo-sex, then that.[/QUOTE]$100 / hr is a good basic measure of price in Kiev. However, most of the quality girls are not going to come over for just a one hour meeting. You will have to either pay more if you want only an hour or you will have to compensate with multiple hour meetings.
Also, the girls do know what there pussy is worth. A pretty college girl that speaks English with good social and performance skills is not going to charge the same as a village girl from a salon. I am a newbie to Kiev, but the more I come to understand this specific scene, the more I realize how rampant prostitution and sponsorship are in Kiev. It's not so obvious because most of what is going on is quietly through the internet. Physical venues like Rio are just relics from the old days in Kiev when girls had no other way to market themselves. Night club girls tend to be hard core and frankly I would be scared to have one late night in my apartment.
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It is clear you DO NOT know what is economy.
OK, change our matter: I am worth more than 10 top-models, therefore why do I pay a girl to meet me, one of the best man in the world? At last, those girls could choice among dozens of rich and sincere lovers, but they prefer to live as a prostitute, therefore they don't deserve anything good: why do we have to pay them? They are just the descendants of Lilith.
And the second and not less important, since I have sex with a Slavic girlfriend, and I have sex much more than all prostitutes whom I met, and then I have realized how stupid I was when I paid high prices for little sex. There is no good reasons to pay high prices. Moreover all over the world is in a long epoch of economic crisis, therefore there is no good reasons again. Therefore 100$ is a huge rate for a first hour for a place like Kiev in Ukraine and for an usual sex. It is a honest rate only if you give multiple fistings and pissing actions and group sex without condom. This experience said! All the rest are chronic troubles in male brains.
[QUOTE=Climaxnow; 1350034]$100 / hr is a good basic measure of price in Kiev. However, most of the quality girls are not going to come over for just a one hour meeting. You will have to either pay more if you want only an hour or you will have to compensate with multiple hour meetings.
Also, the girls do know what there pussy is worth. A pretty college girl that speaks English with good social and performance skills is not going to charge the same as a village girl from a salon. I am a newbie to Kiev, but the more I come to understand this specific scene, the more I realize how rampant prostitution and sponsorship are in Kiev. It's not so obvious because most of what is going on is quietly through the internet. Physical venues like Rio are just relics from the old days in Kiev when girls had no other way to market themselves. Night club girls tend to be hard core and frankly I would be scared to have one late night in my apartment.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=TennisMan; 1349863]Thanks again for your help. I have read all your posts from a year ago and they are most helpful. I am renting from kievapts Alex and staying close to k st. I am walking distance to Rio strip club and looking forwarding to checking it out.
I am from the NYC area and visited ac over the weekend and all the working girls were at the casino hotel bar / clubs. Hadn't read much about it in Kiev. Going along to a dance club for a 47 old doesn't seem all that, but maybe I'll give shooters or delux a shoot too.
I have been working mamba and have several girls phone numbers t, o call when I get there. Can also mamba and vk if I'm bored during the day. I really would love to meet a beautiful 37 year old blond with a perfect body. Just my age thing. If any one can suggest anything else let me know or pm me.[/QUOTE]Ok, TennisMan, it seems from your latest post that you have been preparing yourself correctly for Kiev mongering. Some comments:
MAMBA:
I don't think you can overwork mamba in the few weeks before a trip because a lot of times numbers you have collected don't result in a meeting with a hot girl, either because no one answers when you call for the date when you finally get to Kiev, or whoever answers the phone doesn't speak English (remember a lot if these numbers are girl apartments or agencies) , or the girl isn't available just then because she went to another city to visit her mama, or any number of other reasons. And of course a percentage of the girls who show up will not look good enough to meet your standards for p4p. So it is wise to prepare a surplus of mamba contacts for those eventualities. Another reason is that some girls use multiple profiles, and so you may think you have contacts for three girls, only to find out they are all profiles for only one girl.
And you must copy the photos and telephone numbers and prices mentioned and other details you want to have available onto a separate Word document, because the majority of profiles of girls you may have interacted with will be deleted within the span of even two or three weeks. I always assumed that it was an indication of an agency who was switching around the photos for some reason. But one time a girl I was interested in became a deleted profile. And since I had her number, I called her and asked her why she deleted her profile and did it mean she was no longer available? She answered that it wasn't her that deleted her own profile, but rather it was the Administrators of the mamba website. Apparently they monitor profiles and certain type of correspondence gets flagged as being objectionable and they delete those profiles. That's assuming she told me the truth. I really don't know what is the truth as to who is responsible for the continuous deletions of girl profiles on mamba. But it is a fact of life on that website. So get a reasonable surplus of contacts, and keep a copy. Although there is copy protection that prevents copying of pictures from mamba, You can lift a copy of the girls pictures by copying screenshots of the computer monitor.
APARTMENT:
Kievapts is good, I've used them for a long time and always was satisfied. And Alex speaks perfect English and will make sure everything is in working order if you have any issues with the apartment. I've always taken apartments in the $100. $130 per night range, and they were always very good, much better quality than the space you could get for such price at a hotel. If you rented an apartment just off the Maidan or anywhere that there are policemen likely to be walking around, you need to take the precaution of minimizing the amount of time you are on the sidewalk before entry into your door together with a girl. The downtown police have taken to the practice of hassling foreigners with young girls going into their apartments by asking for passports and I'd and creating a hassle in order to be offered a small payoff. So it's best to have the taxi stop directly in front of your door, so you can exit the taxi and enter your building door quickly. This doesn't have to be an issue in other areas of the city or different streets, but in the Maidan area and apartments on the streets just off the Maidan, it has happened.
NIGHTCLUBS:
If you go to a nightclub, hang out by the bar. If you want to meet Working Girls, this is where they hang, and where they find their men. Don't worry about going by yourself. It's the best way to meet other people when you are alone at the bar. You are easier for a WG to approach you. Look for ladies who make eye contact with you. If you get an eye lock, just smile invitingly and give her a nod. Most likely she will approach you, or if you want you can approach her. In this respect it works the same way as at the Atlantic City casino hotel bars you mentioned. My policy is that I treat it as a normal meeting with a normal girl, I. E. A freebie, and let her know I'm available for some fun. I let her be the one to bring up the subject of money first. If she's a WG, she must.
NEGOTIATIONS:
Then negotiate for a reasonable price. Your goal should be to not pay more than $100 per hour net. That's the benchmark. You should try to pay less than that. It has been reported that it is possible to get girls at certain nightclubs for $200/2hours. That's a lower total cost than one will pay in any strip club, and therefore it is worth pursuing that possibility in the nightclubs, before going to a strip club where you will have a minimum take out fee of $300/3hours.
There are clubs where it is reported by some on this thread that it is possible to get a hottie for more than 1 hour for $100, or for more than 2 hours for $150. That would be beating the benchmark. It's probably not possible with the hottest girls, but maybe with semi-pro student types at Caribbean club, or other places mentioned in the thread.
But if you go out to the high end nightclubs like D'lux, the girls will be flashier and hotter, and the prices higher. If you went to D'lux, or Buddha Bar, for example, and interact with a WG, She will most likely demand something way too high like $400 or $500. Why not? There are some dummies who pay exorbitant amounts because they don't know any better. The price is also a factor of time together. So $400 for 1 or even 2 hours is a very high price, and out of the question, but $400 for all night or 8 hours, is already within the realm of reasonable, if the girl is a top model type on the level of a 9 or 10, and you have some way of making sure that what you want is included. Her flexibility in the negotiation will be a factor of her level of beauty and of the lateness of the hour. A very beautiful 9 or 10 at the beginning of the evening will not come down in her price so easily for you, as she has the possibility of other prospects. So if a 9 or 10 girl says $500 or $400, I always ask if that is for the whole night, because, if so, I would think about it, but if not for the whoke night, then for how many hours does she want $400? If she says for 1 hour, or even if she says for 2 hours, I say that she is very beautiful but for Kiev I think such numbers are too high. In Kiev many pretty girls are available for less than $100 an hour, so I ask if for 2 hours she is interested in $200. That's actually a number I would go for if she is very beautiful and the necessary services are included. Most likely she will turn up her nose and move on. But she may come back, either right then or later after some time passes, with $300 for 2 hours. My response will depend on if I really do want her, or am I just seeing what's possible. So I might say that it's too high, and $200 is the right number for 2 hours. If she's really hungry she might say $250. Or instead, I might say that I could only consider a fee of $300 for 4 hours, but for 3 hours I would consider the $250 she mentioned. And that could be a deal, or she may turn up her nose again and move on.
I'm sure there are guys on this thread who are harder negotiators than I am. But the way I figure it, the bench marks for price in Kiev are a combination of the prices prevalent with the website girls like mamba. Ru and top-modals. Com, where some nice looking girls are asking for $75 / hour, but most of the hotter girls are asking for at least $100 / hour; as well as the prices available at a strip club like Rio where it costs $300 for 3 hours for take out, which also boils down to a Net Rate of $100 / hour. So based on that, I feel that I don't want to be paying any hottie I met in a nightclub more than this benchmark rate of $100 per hour. Because otherwise, I could go to Rio and get a girl who is very hot for 3 hours for $300. So for me, if a girl in a nightclub who is sizzling hot, and provides the necessary services, wants $300, I need to get from her at least 3 hours, or more hours if possible, so I ask for 4 hours. That way I know I got a better deal with her, than I would have gotten at Rio. Some have pointed out that in order to get one of the 3 hour dates at Rio, you need to add to the $300 take out fee, about $100 of ancillary expenses for entrance fees, manager tips, private dances, and drinks for oneself and girls. It's true therefore that the real cost for a 3 hour take out date comes to nearly $400, and so the hourly cost is really about $133 / hour. Based on that viewpoint I guess a fee to a nightclub girl for 2 hours of $250, really should be acceptable, since that's also a Net Rate of $125 / hr, and comparable to the rate at Rio. By that reasoning, I could accept a $250/2hours offer from a nightclub girl, and still be within the benchmark range.
So if you are comfortable with a total outlay for a p4p girl of numbers like $300 or $400, you can monger in a high end nightclub like D'lux or Buddha Bar, or a strip club like Rio or Mandarin (sister clubs with same $300 take out price) , or Dolls a competing strip club with a take out price of $300/2hours. Rio (and Mandarin) have an all night take out fee of $400, while Dolls has an all night take out fee of $500.
For those guys that don't want to pay a total outlay of $300 or more for a girl, they must forget about any strip clubs, and avoid high end nightclubs like D'lux or Buddha Bar, and try out nightclubs like Caribbean, or Shooters or Avalon, and try their hand at getting girls for $200/2hours or less, which is reported as possible.
The other low cost option of the Internet girls on mamba. Ru or top-modals. Com and other websites will allow you to easily get to girls who take $100 / hour or $75 / hour, and discount any additional hours, but these girls cannot be seen beforehand, and you will see what they look like only when they show up. This causes a lot of time waste as you have to send away the girls that don't appeal to you, and continue to invite additional girls until you find something good enough. It's very inefficient and time consuming, but it's much cheaper. In my last few visits to Kiev, I have focused on mamba girls, and only went to Rio a few times, and I was lucky to find some pretty good mamba girls. They weren't as hot as the best Rio girls, but had good sexy bodies and good enough faces that I considered them sexy and desirable, like a 6 or 7, so I enjoyed it, and appreciated the cost savings. But it didn't have the thrill of the very beautiful girls I could get at Rio or at a nightclub at the higher prices. To each his own.
I'm looking at mamba profiles of women in the 30s and 40s, and most don't look that good. It seems like you should focus on girls in the 20s. In Kiev it perfectly acceptable for a guy in the 40s to be with girls in the 20s.
Good luck.
LJ
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow; 1350034]$100 / hr is a good basic measure of price in Kiev. However, most of the quality girls are not going to come over for just a one hour meeting. You will have to either pay more if you want only an hour or you will have to compensate with multiple hour meetings.
Also, the girls do know what there pussy is worth. A pretty college girl that speaks English with good social and performance skills is not going to charge the same as a village girl from a salon. I am a newbie to Kiev, but the more I come to understand this specific scene, the more I realize how rampant prostitution and sponsorship are in Kiev. It's not so obvious because most of what is going on is quietly through the internet. Physical venues like Rio are just relics from the old days in Kiev when girls had no other way to market themselves. Night club girls tend to be hard core and frankly I would be scared to have one late night in my apartment.[/QUOTE]Any girl in your room for hard cash is hard core. It is immaterial you picked her up from Rio or the internet. Infect Rio girls are like to be safe bet as they have been scrutinized by the club and are traceable.
More money is not directly proportional to better service. That is down to honestly and professionalism of the service provider. Chemistry and vibe also play a significant role. A few would charge you USD 100 from mamba but USD 200/300 from Buddha bar (I personally know two of them)
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[QUOTE=Global Surfer;1350148]. Chemistry and vibe also play a significant role. A few would charge you USD 100 from mamba but USD 200/300 from Buddha bar (I personally know two of them)[/QUOTE]I personally knew more than one girl from River Palace who had profiles on Flirt. Com with prices at around 600 uah / h Sept 2009. One was called Love20 on Flirt.
I met her within 2 hours of landing in Kiev, having phoned her first. She wanted US$ 200 from 11pm till 5 am. She was a real stunner, but I passed.
I thought at the time that it was too much to pay in Kiev. She looked like I " can't believe it" that I turned her down. Her words when she left " I am not a Prostitute " ".
When I went to River Palace later on that night she was there.
I posted on her and on other girls in oct 09.
At the club it was US 300 or the lowest US200 for few hours. One wanted US$400.
Two or Three Tier prices for many girls, even in London, Vegas, Houston, you name it.
Had few RP girls at US$ 100 happy hours next day.
Prices are not set in stone. I pay what I feel like paying, if I can afford it.
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[QUOTE=MikePop69; 1350009]Hi looks like know Kiev good.
I need some hepl and here is what I am looking for. Independents.
Websites where I can fine independents on. Did try mail. Ru and mamba with no luck.
Websites where I can fine info on the stripclubs in Kiev.
What are the good clubs to fine W / G, s in like Shooters.
In your book what should I do rent a apt or a hotel.
TY for any info you have. Mike[/QUOTE]Hi Mike,
You're asking some questions just asked by another member, so I'll assume you are reading the thread and will see the comments on apartment rental, and names of nightclubs. My information about strip clubs I wrote about comes from visiting the clubs, not from any website. In fact this website, and this thread probably have the most info about Kiev strip clubs, so read this thread, especially posts by TheKnight who reviewed many of the strip clubs, and my own reports on Rio, a number of which were referenced on the Reports of Distinction thread. As to your question about a website for independents, I don't know if there is any. Many girls on mamba claim to be individual or independent, but the truth of that is unknown. The girls in nightclubs seem to be independents, so go to nightclubs to find independents and continue looking on mamba.
LJ
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1348656]I have noticed that a lot of girls in Kiev post very professional photography of themselves in there profiles. Is this a sign of sponsorship? Maybe girls are just into photography in Kiev.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I think this is popular with the girls. I once had a photo session going on in tha stairs outside my flat when I brought a girl home, one later also witnessed photos being made in a small side-street. Sponsorship or not, last September my girlfriend showed me ten new, large photos when we were having dinner. They were professionally made, I admired it and told her what I thought was the best, but forgot to ask her what for they were. I presume she likes to be able to present herself nicely, even if she has no profile on Mamba or the like. Just as she dresses elegantly and differently every time we meet. RollB
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[QUOTE=LilJoey;1350133]. It seems like you should focus on girls in the 20s. In Kiev it perfectly acceptable for a guy in the 40s to be with girls in the 20s.[/QUOTE]Agree. Honest, before they reach 20 they tend to be complaining that I am to old for them!
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Julia?
[QUOTE=Prosal;1349754]Just for the record, this video is a running joke against kavkaz (caucasus) people in Russia.[/QUOTE]And it was no joke when it was one of the (caucasus) people, (Georgia) who ruled the Russian People. .
STALIN showed them and few other FSU countries, how to hold Elections that really matter "The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everthing ".
That hot Blondie (Julia Tymoshenko) now in Prison in Kiev and pro Russian parties keep winning the Elections.
Russia is now a one man show called PUTIN.
Yeah they can joke about the (Caucasus) people.
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[QUOTE=Jojosun;1350567]And it was no joke when it was one of the (caucasus) people, (Georgia) who ruled the Russian People.[/QUOTE]Right. And the "second most feared" in the system was Lavrenti Beria, who was also georgian. Jokes apart, gorgian people are nice and very welcoming. Girls are something to behold also. And Saperavi is a rather good wine.
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New in Kiev
Hi Gents.
Have just arrived for the very first time in Kiev and would like to arrange a massage in my Hotel. Does anyone have any contacts for girls that would visit?
Please PM me.
Thanks
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[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1350567]And it was no joke when it was one of the (caucasus) people, (Georgia) who ruled the Russian People. .
STALIN showed them and few other FSU countries, how to hold Elections that really matter "The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everthing ".
That hot Blondie (Julia Tymoshenko) now in Prison in Kiev and pro Russian parties keep winning the Elections.
Russia is now a one man show called PUTIN.
Yeah they can joke about the (Caucasus) people.[/QUOTE]Very few people know that President Putin mother was from Gerogia.
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/3568891/Could-this-woman-be-Vladimir-Putins-real-mother.html[/url]
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[QUOTE=Slavophile; 1350733]Prosal,
No offense, but that video was a piece of brilliant Russian Hip-Hop satire. Think Beastie Boys Sabotage video which was a satire of 1970s American Cop shows. Satirical and ironic humor do not play so well in Eastern Europe, not sure why. Timati the first guy who rapsis a well known Russian Hip-Hop artist. Absolutely hilarious![/QUOTE]Hum, ok, I admit that I might be wrong about that, but still I will dig (smilie). I thought it was a kind of kavkaz party or wedding where famous rap singers (yeah, including Timati) were invited. The fact is admittedly that you might be right, given the hilarious and disgusted reaction of the Russian girls to who I talked of this song. You know the disdain of Russian people for Caucasus people (which is unjustified IMO, caucasus people being as a whole much more welcoming and friendly than russians, at least it has been my experience in Georgia).
As a side note, and to come back to women, I find that georgian women (and more globally, kavkas women) are a kind of "antithesis" of ukrainian women. Those Caucasus (georgian, armenian, ingushian, chechen, dagestian, ect) societies are very marriage-orientated and family-orientated traditional societies, and women act accordingly. If I was seeking a wife, I'd choose one of this genealogy. They are usually selfless, honest, passionate and loyal, and take pride in being "good" women. Many are visual viagra also, if you are into white-skinned brunettes with persian faces and hot Russian bodies.
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[QUOTE=Prosal; 1350941]Hum, ok, I admit that I might be wrong about that, but still I will dig (smilie). I thought it was a kind of kavkaz party or wedding where famous rap singers (yeah, including Timati) were invited. The fact is admittedly that you might be right, given the hilarious and disgusted reaction of the Russian girls to who I talked of this song. You know the disdain of Russian people for Caucasus people (which is unjustified IMO, caucasus people being as a whole much more welcoming and friendly than russians, at least it has been my experience in Georgia).
As a side note, and to come back to women, I find that georgian women (and more globally, kavkas women) are a kind of "antithesis" of ukrainian women. Those Caucasus (georgian, armenian, ingushian, chechen, dagestian, ect) societies are very marriage-orientated and family-orientated traditional societies, and women act accordingly. If I was seeking a wife, I'd choose one of this genealogy. They are usually selfless, honest, passionate and loyal, and take pride in being "good" women. Many are visual viagra also, if you are into white-skinned brunettes with persian faces and hot Russian bodies.[/QUOTE]Georgian men are among the most desirable potential partners for Russian women and Ukrainians alike. They are perceived as strong and family oriented.
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Oooff! Passion, marriage-oriented, love, everything works if you are wealthy, with no matter of oldness, ugliness, laziness, dirtiness: money is the world's greatest aphrodisiac!
And goes on, a price is a honest price if there is a honest service. Paying 100$ for a pussy condomed fucking even if she is a top-model, that is just and only a theft!
Did nobody learn from this forum?
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1351049]Georgian men are among the most desirable potential partners for Russian women and Ukrainians alike.[/QUOTE]I don't think so. But what do I know?
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[QUOTE=Global Surfer; 1350764]Very few people know that President Putin mother was from Gerogia.
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/3568891/Could-this-woman-be-Vladimir-Putins-real-mother.html[/url][/QUOTE]For what its worth, now I read that Staliin's Father was in fact a Ukrainian-French- Jewish Banker by the name of (Maurice Euphrussi.)
[url]http://www.henrymakow.com/stalin_was_not_a_rothschild.html[/url]
A good book to read (Young Stalin) by Simon Sebag Montefiore.
I can imagine UA and Russian females being far more interested in a monger showing them an interest in their history and socities than talking "To Them " about.
"Pissing on them, Fisting their Holes, Fucking them without Condoms " and then leaving with a (Lot Of Shit ).
And at the end of the day, probably the only thing the monger can end up with is,
A Scoop Of Poo.
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[QUOTE=Global Surfer; 1350764]Very few people know that President Putin mother was from Gerogia.
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/3568891/Could-this-woman-be-Vladimir-Putins-real-mother.html[/url][/QUOTE]For what its worth, now I read that Staliin's Father was in fact a Ukrainian-French- Jewish Banker by the name of (Maurice Euphrussi.)
[url]http://www.henrymakow.com/stalin_was_not_a_rothschild.html[/url]
A good book to read (Young Stalin) by Simon Sebag Montefiore.
I can imagine UA and Russian females being far more interested in a monger showing them an interest in their history and socities than talking "To Them " about.
"Pissing on them, Fisting their Holes, Fucking them without Condoms " and then leaving with a (Lot Of Shit ).
And at the end of the day, probably the only thing the said monger can end up with is,
A Scoop Of Poo.
Happy Mongering.
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Back 2 women
[QUOTE=Prosal;1350941]As a side note, and to come back to women, I find that georgian women (and more globally, kavkas women) are a kind of "antithesis" of ukrainian women. Those Caucasus (georgian, armenian, ingushian, chechen, dagestian, ect) societies are very marriage-orientated and family-orientated traditional societies, and women act accordingly. If I was seeking a wife, I'd choose one of this genealogy. They are usually selfless, honest, passionate and loyal, and take pride in being "good" women. Many are visual viagra also, if you are into white-skinned brunettes with persian faces and hot Russian bodies.[/QUOTE].
On this subject I know that you know a lot more than a lot of Posters here.
I met Armenians in Boston, Water Town MASS, Glendale CALIF. They were Christans and quite conservative.
I thought " chechen, dagestan" peoples are more than 90% per cent Muslim. A lot of them covered head to toe. Did you get anywhere near them "visual viagra".
OK, now I understand a bit about Tashkent, Uzbekistan reading your Posts and others, BUT going to look for a Wife in Chechnia and Dagestan.
Why not the Tatar girls in KIEV and in Crimea? .
Met a really Hot Tatar girl in KIEV in 2009. I Didn't need to go Crimea.
Fished her out of (Kiev Post) newspaper at the time.
She was young hot and wasn't covered, but she gave me Covered Sex including the Oral Part. Donation was UAH 750.
There are a lot of Tatar girls in Kiev for someone looking or a Wife.
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Flirt ua do not have "sex money" any more
This dating site does not have "sex for money anymore". Some reported here somewhere that mamba does not that option any more.
Only option friendship, dating, travel. What to do about this?
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Thank you for waking up
Travel 69, you seem to be jetlagged. Or jack lag'd? Thank you for waking up. The change in Mamba is since summer this year. Nothing to do about it then to upgrade your skills in finding the fish in the see. Mongering² in 2013! Yippyyeah!
[QUOTE=Travel69; 1351591]This dating site does not have "sex for money anymore". Some reported here somewhere that mamba does not that option any more.
Only option friendship, dating, travel. What to do about this?[/QUOTE]
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I have read this thread a lot, almost everything since start of 2011, because I want to visit Kiev. I have many questions but the one that really confuses me is that many of you post prices in what appear to be $US Dollars. Do the girls / clubs actually take $US Dollars or are you guys doing a conversion for our purposes? If they do take $US Dollars, why wouldn't they prefer Euros or the local currency?
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Kiev $
Yummy, if you need 1 year to make up your mind, you better stay home.
100$ is the going rate for many. And $ still means a lot more in Ukraine than their own currency.
100 € is more and many, like me, will refuse to pay that up-price.
I remember 3 years ago where there was no local currency available in ATMs since everybody emtied the bank account in risk of inflation.
$ is fun. And so is finding the right girl for you. And, believe me, you will not find it if you don't travel there!
Bars and Clubs take $, but then again I would never pay anything anywhere with anything other then Grivna. Since they will fuck you over when paying with $ (I am sure you knew that part, Yummy, since they do in all countries outside the US when paying with $).
For girls, you can pay in Grivna, but also in $, since that is easier to store in a pillow, and means a hell lot to them. BTW us, better stay home, Yummy nerd.
[QUOTE=YummyPL;1351992]I have read this thread a lot, almost everything since start of 2011, because I want to visit Kiev. I have many questions but the one that really confuses me is that many of you post prices in what appear to be $US Dollars. Do the girls / clubs actually take $US Dollars or are you guys doing a conversion for our purposes? If they do take $US Dollars, why wouldn't they prefer Euros or the local currency?[/QUOTE]
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Grivna
Anybody have a comment on the currency situation unfolding in Ukraine. Any impact to us tourist / mongers? Should I bring a suitcase of crispy benjamins and sell on the street?
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[QUOTE=DoctorOral;1351998]Yummy, if you need 1 year to make up your mind, you better stay home.[/QUOTE]LOL. I meant I read posts that date back to he start of 2011. I have only been considering Kiev since August. I would have gone then but evreyone said the girls would be on holiday and September would be better. Then I got busy and was working mostly in Germany enjoying the FKKs. Now it is cold and I hate cold, but it looks like a trip to L'viv is in my near future so I will go to Kiev for at least a few days.
I certainly understand you pay with local currency in restaurants and stuff as they will charge an "exchange rate." I am specifically talking about payment for p4p.
Thanks for the info on money. To clarify, the girls will take Grivna, dollars, and Euros and when I see $100 in this forum it is referring to $US Dollars. For example, if I took a Rio girl out for 3 hours I could expect to pay $300 US Dollars and US bills would be fine to use? Should I expect to use Grivna with Mamba girls or are US Dollars OK with them, too?
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Currency
Pay with Euro, $ or local currency. Makes no fucking difference for the fuckdolls.
Limaxnow. Nothing to worry about. You can come naked with your Mastercard & condoms if you want!
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[QUOTE=Lincs007; 1350660]Hi Gents.
Have just arrived for the very first time in Kiev and would like to arrange a massage in my Hotel. Does anyone have any contacts for girls that would visit?
Please PM me.
Thanks[/QUOTE]If you read this thread before posting a "newbie" question, as you should have, you would know that a massage girl can easily be arranged to your apartment or hotel. C'mon Read the fucking forum (RTFF) , man. Ok, that having been said, I will spoon feed you this time. Hopefully, your next question, will be an educated one.
Some massage parlors mentioned on this thread and that received good comments were:
Rakuena. ([url]http://rakuena.com.ua/[/url])
Salon Dolly. ([url]http://www.salondolly.com/erotic_massage.html[/url])
I never went for a massage parlor girl, since I reserve my energies in Kiev for fucking. But for those guys who have extra sperm and energy, a massage girl's release can be just the ticket.
LJ
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Kavkas women
[QUOTE=Jojosun;1351425]I thought " chechen, dagestan" peoples are more than 90% per cent Muslim. A lot of them covered head to toe. Did you get anywhere near them "visual viagra".[/QUOTE]Don't underestimate what often hides under the muslim headscarf.
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[QUOTE=Prosal;1352391]Don't underestimate what often hides under the muslim headscarf.[/QUOTE].
SOME NICE HEADscarves on these ones here in KIEV, Anahata Massage, Kiev.
Incalls and Outcalls.
[url]www.anahata.kiev.ua[/url]
Next time 4 me 2 try.
Erotic, Lesbian,
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Re Scarfed Girls.
[QUOTE=Prosal;1352391]Don't underestimate what often hides under the muslim headscarf.[/QUOTE]See if this link works [url]http://www.anahata.kiev.ua/[/url]
I am sure Hand Relief at Massage Salons was invented 4 the Benefit of "Lazy Buggers " who need someone to Wank them off.
PS. Never under estimate what can be had at Massage Salons in KIEV.
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[QUOTE=Travel69; 1351591]This dating site does not have "sex for money anymore". Some reported here somewhere that mamba does not that option any more.
Only option friendship, dating, travel. What to do about this?[/QUOTE]I heard but cannot confirm that girls who say in their profiles "friendship" only are looking for P4P
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Lie 4 a Massage?
[QUOTE=Lincs007; 1350660]Hi Gents.
Have just arrived for the very first time in Kiev and would like to arrange a massage in my Hotel. Does anyone have any contacts for girls that would visit?
Please PM me.
Thanks[/QUOTE]You might be a nice enough (English Bloke, or a Bugger) dunno?
But why in the Fuck do you need to LIE 4 a Massage.
How did you Manage to Arrive in Kiev for the "2nd First Time ".
You were there back in June 12, Remember.
06-23-12 08:51.
Ukraine: Kiev.
Lincs007.
Kiev Girls.
Hi Guys. Great posts by the way and some great pictures also. I am an English guy just arrived in Kiev for the match and am intrigued to know where the best place is to pick up a girl (I know this."
Ps. Some of us ain't senile Mugs.
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More Bollocks?
[QUOTE=Lincs007; 1296430]Hi Guys. Great posts by the way and some great pictures also. I am an English guy just arrived in Kiev for the match and am intrigued to know where the best place is to pick up a girl (I know this has been discussed a million times before). Would be nice to not have to pick up a working girl so to speak but if thats all there is then fine. Can you please pm me with possible ladies, places and any pointers as to how to be succesful this evening?
Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]Trying to Jog your Convenient Memory.
Why do I hear Bollocks in The Air?
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2 photos
Not sure if you still do not know what I "need".
If anyone has a flat girl like this one in the portfolio, I would love to exchange my portfolio with his by PM.
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Incredible Kiev trip day 3 and final night
Just want to thank liljoey, barba, doctor oral, climaxnow, harryhirsh, and the many others for their help, contacts, and direction. I will write a full report latter, but just want to give a brief summary so far. Mamba and mongers have been the ticket. Three women three days and maybe one or two more tonite. I have to checkout Rio tonight and see what's up. Also a fellow monger gave me a final girl to hookup with. First day, meet with two girls I prearranged at a coffee shop for a quick date to get a feel for them. One was a good thing. Her name is svetlana. We shopped together and she gave me the lay of the land and her land. Day two her again, but also spent a great time with irina. Today, wow viga. Skinny perfect body and oh so wet. Four digits wet and tight. By the way svetlana wants to marry and keeps calling me. Can't answer her today have to play at Rio. Later fellow brothers of Kiev mongering. Out!
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Kiev Last night
Last night was great in my book. I went to RIO and was very thankful for LilJoeys many in depth reports. I arrived at eight was sat at the top of the stairs in the second area. VIP at the farthest location. Lower level you pass as you walk up the stairs. I was greeted by Andre the room manager and we quickly became friends. I slipped him 100 grivna which made him do whatever I wanted from a tour at the beginning of the whole place to interesting comments about the girls, guests, and club. Because of table location he was right next to me the entire night which was awesome for a newbie. Being from NYC and Philadelphia strip clubs this was a big upgrade because you could you have take out with out the multiple trips to the club and large sums to persuade the girl to go out after she is finished with her night. Also the quantity and quality for a Monday night was great as even girls were still coming when I left at 11. I took tatmilla and deana for private dances because I wanted to get the idea of negogiating with the girls about going back to my flat. Andre said both were available to me if I could negotiated with them. Tatmilla oh so beautiful and hot. Deana oh so hot and slutty. I would have been happy with either and knowing I would have had a great time. Rio for me was great fun and now I know exactly what to do next time. To see so many beautiful woman you could take home was amazing! Go early, make friends with manager and be better looking then the other dudes around you. The saying you want to have ugly friends is true. I was the first to arrive but the other tables were soon filled up with let's just say ugly friends. I got the feeling the girls were working me to get away from them. Also, if you go later no tables, placed in lower area and less attention. I got the feeling every girl was at play if she wanted you.
Anyway, had to leave RIO at 11 because I had prearranged for a meeting at my flat with Katerina who a fellow monger recommended! All I can say is you could not have had a better nightcap. Her body was smoking. Her attitude was pure girlfriend. Kissing from the moment she entered my flat til she left to go to Avalon to start he work day. B cups, perfect ass, and tan body. I had so much build up from RIO that I banged her really hard, but she seemed into it! Thanks fellow monger.
Just some strange observations about the cultural differences between the us and Kiev. Remember just mine. And I feel maybe they are untrue and just my stupid thinking. Ukrainian men don't seem to react to their own beautiful women like Americans do. Ukrainian men don't seem to even adjust their eyes when as a 10 walks by. But an American man will stop in his tracks, swing his head even in front of his girlfriend or wife for a 7 or greater. Second stupid observation. In American it is rare to see a 10 with a 4 as friends, but in ukraine seems to be normal. In the us 10s seem to want to be with other 10s and 4s with 4s. I know I'm stupid.
Thanks everyone on this board for you help. There is no way I could have done this trip so successfully without your help. 4:30am Kiev time peace out.
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Club Rio take out girls
Hello,
Did anyone here ever take out a girl or 2 or something like that from this club? If yes what about costs and experiences.
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Mamba. Ru. How to?
[QUOTE=Sean EZ;1352727]I heard but cannot confirm that girls who say in their profiles "friendship" only are looking for P4P[/QUOTE]Dear Sean,
Although undoubtedly some girls who list only "friendship" in the part of their mamba. Ru profile "I am Looking For:", may coincidentally turn out to be p4p girls, this is not a way that any significant mumber of p4p girls, constituting a trend, have specifically chosen to broadcast their p4p nature on mamba. Ru. Therefore, this is not good or useful information.
This topic has had some significant discussion earlier on this thread by myself and other posters. So any newbie that desires info about how to best operate on mamba. Ru, can simply read this thread and find out. And of course those newbies who are too fucking lazy to read the thread, will post the same question over and over again, as did the poster you responded to. But better to not respond at all, than to clutter the thread with info that isn't grounded in personal knowledge and experience.
Yes, there was a change in mamba. Ru from the situation in previous years where in the "I am Looking For:" section of their mamba. Ru profiles, p4p girls used to list openly "Sex for Money", to the current situation which began earlier this year (2012) in which mamba. Ru underwent something of a "clean up", and now the "I am Looking For:" section provides for only three possible options, namely,"Friendship, Relationship / Dating and Travel". Despite this change, it is not so difficult to find all the p4p girls you may need. Here are some reliable factors:
First of all, despite the above-mentioned mamba. Ru changes, some p4p girls and agencies with profiles on mamba. Ru still continue to insert some overt statements in their introductory remarks on their profile that indicate their interest in "intim" meetings for monetary compensation. So these profiles are obviously p4p.
Second, young girls in their teens and early 20s who list age ranges of the men they seek to meet that are far above their normal dating age range of about 10 years older than themselves, are usually projecting thereby an interest in meeting older men for sponsorship type relationship or p4p. For example, a 23 year old girl seeking to meet men up to age 50, is most likely signaling her availability for sponsorship or p4p. However, if the same girl writes she is seeking to meet men up to age 35, then she may simply be a regular girl, not p4p.
Third, girls with naked photos in their profiles, can safely be assumed to offer sponsorship or p4p, as well as that their photos are fake, and most probably it's a girl apartment or agency, and not an actual individual girl. As I've stated many times in the past, fake photos should not deter you, because, often enough, a hot girl will show up anyway. And if the girl is not satisfactory in the looks department, you can simply send her away, with taxi fare.
In general, I'm not able to tell much of great insight based upon the photos. Although some mongers on this thread have professed greater talent in this area, I regard these types of observations as hypotheses, not conclusively proved. There does not seem to be as much of the photos that are too good to be true being used lately. I have seen many profiles with attractive photos, but mixed in to the pretty photos, are one or two photos of a girl who is much plainer, fatter and less attractive. I don't know if it's a correct conclusion, but I have made the assumption that the pretty photos are the bait, and are fake, but that the photo of the less attractive girl are the real girl, who includes it, so that later she will be able to say she posted her real pictures. Some girls maintain multiple profiles. I met one girl through mamba. Ru who told me just before our meeting that the photos of the profile I was writing her on were not her true photos, and she agreed to email me her true photos. The funny thing was, I recognized her real photos as from a different profile that I had also corresponded with. Ultimately, she told me she had five profiles with fake photos, and one with true photos. She was an attractive girl and I really enjoyed sex with her, but she was not as pretty as her fake photos profiles. I suspect this approach is common for girls trying to make a living with p4p. I have asked a question to one profile, and a response has come from another profile, indicating a common person operating both profiles. I see several profiles who are "online" at the same time, and go offline at the same time. Yes, clearly there are agencies, or individual girls, operating multiple profiles at the same time. But so what?
Fourth, naturally we want to avoid sending a regular girl an overt proposition of p4p on a social website such as mamba. Ru, lest such girls complain to management, and we soon find our profiles blocked, as well as simply to avoid the indignation of such regular girls whom we might like to try to date anyway, if they are receptive. The approach most useful for determining whether a girl is interested in p4p, or not, is the sending of an innocuous "safe" message, that does not overtly suggest a p4p proposition, but allows the p4p girl to respond with her actual proposition, while simultaneously allowing you plausible deniability, if challenged by the girl.
The formula I have generally used for an initial message that works best for me, is to begin with some nice complement to the girl in the way of any man seeking or courting the favor of a woman, and to conclude the brief initial message with the invitation that "if you are interested in meeting, please send your telephone number and your conditions."
Any p4p girl will respond by telling you that her "conditions" include you paying a certain amount of money. If a girl writes back,"what sort of conditions do you mean?", you can maintain the charade by responding, any conditions for a meeting that she may require, as some girls have conditions, but that if she has no conditions, then that is great, and it would be nice to meet her when you are in Kiev, if she is interested.
The key point here is to understand that a girl who is interested in sponsorship or p4p, must necessarily say it before she goes to meet with you. The onus of bringing up the requirement of you paying her money for her time and companionship, is entirely on her. She does not want to inconvenience herself with going to a meeting with you, at your apartment or elsewhere, without it being crystal clear that you will be giving her money. Otherwise, she can end up going through all that inconvenience of going to meet you, only to find that there was a misunderstanding, and you are not prepared to give her the money she wants. Therefore, a p4p girl will necessarily need to make sure you agree to her fees. So, you can ever remain the gentleman, while giving her the easy opportunity to state what she wants. This principle holds true whether communicating with girls on a social website, or in a nightclub, that you can remain very guarded in what you say, overtly communicating your desire to be with her, but only subtly hinting that you would be interested in fulfilling any conditions she may have. This provides her with all the opening she needs to propose what she wants. This approach will save you from getting slapped in the face, both figuratively, on the mamba. Ru website, as well as literally, when speaking to a girl directly in a nightclub, when you don't yet know if she is p4p or not.
I hope this information helps you guys who have not read the thread going back two years, at least, which you should do for more useful information.
LJ
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[QUOTE=TheAlvarez1001; 1353694]Hello,
Did anyone here ever take out a girl or 2 or something like that from this club? If yes what about costs and experiences.[/QUOTE]Hi,
3 hours 300 USD.
Talk to girl before you go out about services (kissing, oral without condom.).
My experience is very positive but I don't remember her name now.
Good luck.
Naykan
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[QUOTE=TennisMan; just some strange observations about the cultural differences between the us and Kiev. Remember just mine. Second stupid observation. In American it is rare to see a 10 with a 4 as friends, but in Ukraine seems to be normal. In the us 10s seem to want to be with other 10s and 4s with 4s. I know I'm stupid.[/QUOTE]TM.
Let's not kid our selves, people the same all over. It's natural for all women and men to attracted to the same level of attractiveness and even if you or I are attracted to women who are much more beautiful then us you definitely need a lot money or be famous and great personality or even all of these. Great thing about Ukraine and many other places economic disparity can let the average Joe from the US / Europe, etc be the "rich" guy. When you say "friends" with a 10 if your paying directly or indirectly (shopping, nice dinners, etc) your still paying. Otherwise the "friendship" ends.
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Hi. I know I read about one somewhere on this thread but I have spent about 6 hours searching for it again with no luck.
I will be in Kiev in 2 weeks. I am looking for a place where I can post a job offering in English for a "legitimate" female interpreter at a reasonable rate (no more than $100 per day).
Any assistance would be appreciated.
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Second Stupid Observation
Yellowpaul I was referring to women friends. I observed many females friends together drinking coffee, walking arm and arm, or just hanging out together. One is a 4 the other is a 10. They seem like best buddies. In the us in my experience with women who are great looking it seems their women friends are beautiful as well. I have had several significant others who were beautiful and not a one had an ugly close friend. Sorry for the lack of clarity. Not sure if this is true or why?
Funny thing happened tonight. Went to the Kiev opera house for a ballet performance. Went with two other friends. Had side box seats with eight chairs in a private room. Guess who sat next to my friend two Rio girls I had seen last night. Tatmilla and another girl who I didn't get her name. Had a private dance with tatmilla not even 24hrs before. She agreed to take out but I had already made plans with another girl Katerina. By the way sexy, beautiful and cultured. She looked perfect in her black dress. The performance was ok, but the night was weirdly wonderful. Kiev is small.
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100$ per Day? I think it isn't possible.
Maybe ONE Girl for this 2 Weeks, thats can be work, but not with "girls hopping".
With a english posting in newspaper, normaly it doesn't work.
If you know the Ukrainien Page in internet, maybe there is something possible.
But only in Russian.
If you make a announce, make it 1week before you go there.
Making plan A B and C.
If you need more help, send PN.
I can help.
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Interpretor
Yes, you can. Post in university, they always look for € and are good in translation normally. 10$ per hour should be ok.
[QUOTE=YummyPL; 1354083]Hi. I know I read about one somewhere on this thread but I have spent about 6 hours searching for it again with no luck.
I will be in Kiev in 2 weeks. I am looking for a place where I can post a job offering in English for a "legitimate" female interpreter at a reasonable rate (no more than $100 per day).
Any assistance would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]
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Rabota
[QUOTE=YummyPL; 1354083]Hi. I know I read about one somewhere on this thread but I have spent about 6 hours searching for it again with no luck.
I will be in Kiev in 2 weeks. I am looking for a place where I can post a job offering in English for a "legitimate" female interpreter at a reasonable rate (no more than $100 per day).
Any assistance would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]$100 a day is entirely possible for a legitimate English interpreter such a student or out work individual looking to make spare cash. Just don't expect any "extra's" and some might offended if you want them around all day to help you negotiate sex so you might want to discuss that in advance. Make sure you negotiate has well as the going rate $15 to $25 per hour especially more for late at night so I'm assuming a 10 hour day.
I had limited success with Craigslist but with Robota I had a lot of response, so see my previous posts on that as it not easy to navigate and you need a corporate e-mail address and website to get on.
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only a dolmetscher girl?
for 100$.) , for 600-700$ per month, it is possible.
per day 50-60$, but not with agency.
how long you need it and how good she must speek englisch?
i know one girl with good company english, i think she can help you for e few days.
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Wow
A lot more responses than I expected. I appreciate the insight.
I am NOT looking for someone to negotiate sex or even to provide extras. I am going to Kiev to explore a business opportunity. I want someone to help me improve my Russian skills (I know enough to muddle by but not do business) , act as a "cultural adviser" for the young adult culture there, and act as an interpreter when I speak to some business contacts when necessary. I also have some text that I want help translating.
Being introduced to other young people and anything beyond work would be a bonus but not expected. I would want to share meals and maybe go to a club together to get "cultural" advice. While this is mostly business, improving my "game" is never a bad thing.
A university student sounds great. Any idea where to post for that?
Thanks again for everything.
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Mamba. Ru. How to?
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1353725]Here are some reliable factors:
LJ[/QUOTE]Good review. My 5 cents:
- Look at the Reply rate at the bottom of profile screen. In general the girls who offer 4p4 tend to reply more often than normal girls. For example, let's say you see that some other factors mentioned by [b]LilJoey[/b] Distinguish a profile as one which belongs to p4p girl. Therefore, obviously the girl gets a lot of messages with p4p offers. High Reply rate in this case is a signal that she doesn't ignore them (what most probably would do a normal girl).
- Look at the "I like" (Mne nravits'ja) section of the profile. Sometimes it is created specifically to advertise girl's interest in 4p4. For example, I saw this (exactly in that order) in one profile: I like: men, money, new friendships. All the others interests were listed after that, but there was no need to read further to understand the hint.
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Tour guide / wingman to Rio
Hello, I may be in Kiev next February. From what I have read so far, it seems that Rio is the best place for take out. However, becuase I don't know any Russian, I just wonder if there is a tour guide / wingman service, so I can learn what I should do in Rio to get hot girls. I know there are many good posts about this issue in the thread, but a tour guide / wingman is definitely more helpful, especially for a first time newbie like me.
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Have you seen my sex tape? Lyudmyla Ushakova luda
I am from Ukraine.
[QUOTE=Harry Hirsch; 1354132]100$ per Day? I think it isn't possible.
Maybe ONE Girl for this 2 Weeks, thats can be work, but not with "girls hopping".
With a english posting in newspaper, normaly it doesn't work.
If you know the Ukrainien Page in internet, maybe there is something possible.
But only in Russian.
If you make a announce, make it 1week before you go there.
Making plan A B and C.
If you need more help, send PN.
I can help.[/QUOTE]
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Amazing
[QUOTE=Tunang0102;1354989]Hello, I may be in Kiev next February. From what I have read so far, it seems that Rio is the best place for take out. However, becuase I don't know any Russian, I just wonder if there is a tour guide / wingman service, so I can learn what I should do in Rio to get hot girls. I know there are many good posts about this issue in the thread, but a tour guide / wingman is definitely more helpful, especially for a first time newbie like me.[/QUOTE]Wingman to take out prostitute from a strip club. Get a grip buddy. Bottom line, if you have money they fuck you like your a last man on earth.
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[QUOTE=Tunang0102;1354989]Hello, I may be in Kiev next February. From what I have read so far, it seems that Rio is the best place for take out. However, becuase I don't know any Russian, I just wonder if there is a tour guide / wingman service, so I can learn what I should do in Rio to get hot girls. I know there are many good posts about this issue in the thread, but a tour guide / wingman is definitely more helpful, especially for a first time newbie like me.[/QUOTE]Tunang, You really do not need such a thing as a tour guide to get a girl out of Rio. If you read the posts I wrote, a good number of which are referenced in the Reports of Distinction thread, you will have plenty of background information and ideas about methodology and how to function best in the strip club, to simply go and have a good time even by yourself.
Of course, if you're traveling solo, having a wingman is nice, so that you can go to any mongering venue together, rather than alone. But your wingman can be a newbie also, because he is there for comradeship, rather than to show you the ropes. You should simply post your offer to hook up as wingmen, or to have a drink together, on the thread for travel announcements, and hopefully another one of the members of this forum will be traveling at the same time to Kiev, and may want a partner in crime.
I have read of tour guide services for the FKK clubs in Germany. And when I had just begun to discover the existence of the FKK clubs and wanted to go right away, and didn't know how to find them and which ones were best and how to best operate inside an FKK, the idea of a guided tour of the FKK clubs, with transportation and hotels and everything else included, actually sounded like an easy solution to be able to enjoy an immediate trip there without worry and with much satisfaction, even despite the large extra cost of such an FKK tour. But I kept reading the FKK threads and I realized soon enough that truly all the necessary information was in the threads, in very detailed form. Even things like instructions on which train to take to a particular location and how many stops, etc, and I ultimately discovered a map referenced, with all the places pinpointed on it, as well as many posts with advice on how to function best inside the clubs. So I ultimately decided to plan and prepare for a solo trip with no tour guides. And I realize how foolish it would have been to spend money on such a tour guide. Every bit of necessary information was available on this forum, or the Internet. I just had to put the time into properly investigating the facts. And it was truly more of an adventure doing that mongering trip solo.
So my advice to you is to prepare for your Kiev trip methodically, by reading this thread going back at least two years, and extracting the usable information you need into a summary document that you can use for reference. And using the Internet tools available to help you learn about your destination, in order to have a nice trip. You don't need to spend money on a mongering tour guide, when the info is all here in the thread. Just have the patience to read and use it.
If, AFTER you have read the info on the thread, you still have questions, you can raise them here on the thread, and you will get thoughtful answers to any good question.
Before you conclude that Rio is the best option for you for take out, make sure you familiarize yourself with the cost hierarchy of the various mongering options that exist in Kiev, and their various pros and cons. I have written a lot on the various options and how they compare to one another in various aspects I thought might be significant to a monger. Those prior posts will be helpful to you.
You might be a newbie, but you can be an educated newbie.
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Rio girls
Guys. On a hotness scale of 1-10 (10 is the best) , how hot are the girls working in Rio?
- Chill
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[QUOTE=Tunang0102;1354989]Hello, I may be in Kiev next February. From what I have read so far, it seems that Rio is the best place for take out. However, becuase I don't know any Russian, I just wonder if there is a tour guide / wingman service, so I can learn what I should do in Rio to get hot girls. I know there are many good posts about this issue in the thread, but a tour guide / wingman is definitely more helpful, especially for a first time newbie like me.[/QUOTE]I should also be there in February. It should be my 2nd trip. I won't be a guide but I am happy to have a beer with you and tell you about what I have discovered. If we get along, I can do the wingman concept.
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[QUOTE=Chill Bill; 1355245]Guys. On a hotness scale of 1-10 (10 is the best) , how hot are the girls working in Rio?
- Chill[/QUOTE]Ugghh! I hope your post doesn't start that silly debate again! It's a strip club. Like any strip club they are hiring hot young girls to dance. That's what their business depends on. Some girls will be hotter than other girls, and some less so. Think of where the club is located. It is in Kiev, Ukraine. That means that the population pool out of which the club draws its employees, is the same population pool that produces all those hotties you see walking around everywhere in Kiev. So using that brain material that is located within your cranium for the purpose for which it was intended, don't you think it is obvious that there will be some hot girls in a Kiev strip club? The answer is that of course there will be a cross section of the population pool of young good looking women dancing in this club, or any other. Some girls will be medium level girls on the 5 to 7 range, and a portion of the girls will be a little better looking and on the 7 to 8 range, while a proportion of other girls will be even better looking than that, and you will feel they are in the 8 to 9 range. You may even see a few girls that you feel are 10s. And the guy sitting next to you will disagree with you about how to rate each girl. Suffice it to say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and a particular girl you feel is an 8, might look like a 10 to another monger, and vice versa. The matter is entirely subjective. I have found that it is next to impossible to have unanimous agreement on the exact grading, on a scale of 1 to 10, of a particular girl, and there will usually be disagreement within a point or two. What you can be relatively certain of is that inside the Rio strip club you will see some girls who are average looking and some girls who are very good looking to you. And you should be able to deduce from the club's successful existence and operation over many years, that it provides sufficient numbers of girls in the very hot category, to keep its customers happy. So don't over think this matter. Just go and enjoy. If you are going there for the purpose of "take out", then just go knowing that it is among the expensive mongering options in Kiev, but no more so relatively than what would happen if you went to a nightclub like D'Lux or Buddha Bar and tried to take out a hottie from those nightclubs for p4p. So as long as you are prepared to spend $300 to $400 on having sex with a very hot girl for a couple of hours, and you are aware that you might be able to find a slightly cheaper girl at one of the other nightclubs like Avalon, Shooters or Caribbean, and that you can find even cheaper still girls off the Internet from sites like mamba. Ru etc, then go have an amazing good time at the strip club, and join their long list of very satisfied customers.
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Yummy, Tunang
A friendly tip: the Ukraine forum has different threads like Kiev-Other Places-Escorts-Travel Announcements. It's best to place your post accordingly, where we will be looking for this information. Like your. Recent travel plans. And. In order to exchange personal information you better use Personal message. Good luck, RB
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RIO question one more time, please
Chill Bill, your question refers to a matter of an opinion, taste and preference. About taste, people can quarrel all day long and night. And we don't need this forum to carry on more arguments, but information. In general, on this forum you seem to be fat on questions and thin on information. You could help us there, I'm sure. Information about Rio is legio on the Internet, even photos, see [url]http://striptease.ua/eng/clubs/rio-club.[/url] I think generally speaking, the girls in Rio have decent looks, but few are stunning or impressive. It this says nothing about character and performance in other regions. Which can be a matter of individual taste, also.
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[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1355206]Tunang, You really do not need such a thing as a tour guide to get a girl out of Rio. If you read the posts I wrote, a good number of which are referenced in the Reports of Distinction thread, you will have plenty of background information and ideas about methodology and how to function best in the strip club, to simply go and have a good time even by yourself.
Of course, if you're traveling solo, having a wingman is nice, so that you can go to any mongering venue together, rather than alone. But your wingman can be a newbie also, because he is there for comradeship, rather than to show you the ropes. You should simply post your offer to hook up as wingmen, or to have a drink together, on the thread for travel announcements, and hopefully another one of the members of this forum will be traveling at the same time to Kiev, and may want a partner in crime.
I have read of tour guide services for the FKK clubs in Germany. And when I had just begun to discover the existence of the FKK clubs and wanted to go right away, and didn't know how to find them and which ones were best and how to best operate inside an FKK, the idea of a guided tour of the FKK clubs, with transportation and hotels and everything else included, actually sounded like an easy solution to be able to enjoy an immediate trip there without worry and with much satisfaction, even despite the large extra cost of such an FKK tour. But I kept reading the FKK threads and I realized soon enough that truly all the necessary information was in the threads, in very detailed form. Even things like instructions on which train to take to a particular location and how many stops, etc, and I ultimately discovered a map referenced, with all the places pinpointed on it, as well as many posts with advice on how to function best inside the clubs. So I ultimately decided to plan and prepare for a solo trip with no tour guides. And I realize how foolish it would have been to spend money on such a tour guide. Every bit of necessary information was available on this forum, or the Internet. I just had to put the time into properly investigating the facts. And it was truly more of an adventure doing that mongering trip solo.
So my advice to you is to prepare for your Kiev trip methodically, by reading this thread going back at least two years, and extracting the usable information you need into a summary document that you can use for reference. And using the Internet tools available to help you learn about your destination, in order to have a nice trip. You don't need to spend money on a mongering tour guide, when the info is all here in the thread. Just have the patience to read and use it.
If, AFTER you have read the info on the thread, you still have questions, you can raise them here on the thread, and you will get thoughtful answers to any good question.
Before you conclude that Rio is the best option for you for take out, make sure you familiarize yourself with the cost hierarchy of the various mongering options that exist in Kiev, and their various pros and cons. I have written a lot on the various options and how they compare to one another in various aspects I thought might be significant to a monger. Those prior posts will be helpful to you.
You might be a newbie, but you can be an educated newbie.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your reply. It is very helpful. Now I will try to be a educated newbie.
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Thanks from a newbie
Wow, so many people replied my post. Guys, you are so helpful.
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Reply Rate
[QUOTE=Jose Cuervo; 1354685]Good review. My 5 cents:
- Look at the Reply rate at the bottom of profile screen. In general the girls who offer 4p4 tend to reply more often than normal girls. For example, let's say you see that some other factors mentioned by [b]LilJoey[/b] Distinguish a profile as one which belongs to p4p girl. Therefore, obviously the girl gets a lot of messages with p4p offers. High Reply rate in this case is a signal that she doesn't ignore them (what most probably would do a normal girl).
- Look at the "I like" (Mne nravits'ja) section of the profile. Sometimes it is created specifically to advertise girl's interest in 4p4. For example, I saw this (exactly in that order) in one profile: I like: men, money, new friendships. All the others interests were listed after that, but there was no need to read further to understand the hint.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, the reply rate thing has been worked out by many of these bait and switch shysters, so you might see a red bar (low reply rate) but it's still some dodgy pimp outfit on the other end of the line.
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I know it is late.
ticking. do you have some contacts llike the below you would mind sharing with my (eg by pm)?
i would appreciate and trade some good contacts with you.
[quote=ticking timebomb; 1203014]yes, the supermarket is a dangerous place to shop when the juices are flowing, but the alternative is having a wank and. well what's the point? when you wank, you fantasize about having sex with a woman or three. of course, some of you may have kinkier fantasies deposited in the wank bank, but my point is if i'm sitting in front of my pc late at night, well the ease and speed at which i can have a non-pixel girl round at my gaff. it's just too tempting.
so, from time to time, i have had some interesting "blind dates" show up. the one who brought her sister, ('my good friend') was definitely a highlight. this was a genuine, non-salon, real photo hook-up. sometimes you get lucky. sometimes you get more than you bargained for.
a few nights back is an example. 6am, home from unfruitful wanderings (it's ironic that i'm so picky when i'm out on the town but end up playing pot luck with mamba) and i called an obvious agency ad on mamba. a girl showed up a bit later than promised and came into my flat, started flirting, devoured a load of cognac and dragged me off to the bedroom. we had a drunken and prolonged shagathon. she drank more cognac and passed out. i was knackered by that point anyway (noon) and fit to zonk out. the agency kept ringing her mobile (she'the already stalled them a load of times when she was awake – an enthusiastic bed partner) , so i finally answered it and told the guy (yeah, guy) on the other end that she was crashed out. we shared a laugh about it and he asked me if she was "good girl". well, i wasn't quite sure how i should inerpret "good girl" considering the circumstances and what we'd just been up to and that she'd probably not fit into most people's "good girl" stereotype. but i'm not most people. i assured him that she was a "good girl" and we wished each other good night. i was just about to roll over and get some sleep when she started pissing herself. no, not laughing. actually pissing my bed. i was like,"fuck!" i tried to move her, wake her up get her to stop or at least run to the frigging bathroom, but she was in the sleep of the very drunk. so i had no choice but to leave her there. the next day's laundry was fun.
she finally left at 3 in the afternoon. i didn't tell her about the bed wetting incident. what would be the point? total cost – 2 [email]hours@600[/email] uah per hour. total time in my flat – 8 hours (of which 4 or 5 were with our eyes open). she gave bbbj, anal and just about anything else we could dream up between us.
so, this is me paying back for all those useful (sometimes confusing) reports that i've read here. also, i think a list of mamba tips would be useful on this forum. dos and don'ts etc.
t-t[/quote]
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Viagra
In the pharmacies of UA, Pfizer Viagra looks exactly the same and costs about the same ($20 a pill) but it is absolutely fake. Do not buy it there, it is a rip off. Trust me, I know Viagra.
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My 2 cents on Rio
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1355336]Ugghh! I hope your post doesn't start that silly debate again! It's a strip club. Like any strip club they are hiring hot young girls to dance. That's what their business depends on. Some girls will be hotter than other girls, and some less so. Think of where the club is located. It is in Kiev, Ukraine. That means that the population pool out of which the club draws its employees, is the same population pool that produces all those hotties you see walking around everywhere in Kiev. So using that brain material that is located within your cranium for the purpose for which it was intended, don't you think it is obvious that there will be some hot girls in a Kiev strip club? The answer is that of course there will be a cross section of the population pool of young good looking women dancing in this club, or any other. Some girls will be medium level girls on the 5 to 7 range, and a portion of the girls will be a little better looking and on the 7 to 8 range, while a proportion of other girls will be even better looking than that, and you will feel they are in the 8 to 9 range. You may even see a few girls that you feel are 10s. And the guy sitting next to you will disagree with you about how to rate each girl. Suffice it to say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and a particular girl you feel is an 8, might look like a 10 to another monger, and vice versa. The matter is eE]
Avoid it. Horny Tourist Trap: you will get fucked but you won't get laid. Avoid, Avoid, Avoid. I am a 6 year veteran of Kiev (I am here right now) , of 5 to 6 trips per year, one week each. Take my word for it, I have no interest one way or the other.
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Potenciale
[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1356483]In )the pharmacies of UA, Pfizer Viagra looks exactly the same and costs about the same ($20 a pill) but it is absolutely fake. Do not buy it there, it is a rip off. Trust me, I know Viagra.[/QUOTE]Of course it is a fake
But.
Take the "original" Ukranien "Viagra"
The Name is Poteciale, it is in a red box with little pic from Aphroditia on it.
A pack 4pills with 100mg, cost 120-150grn
This pill works 100% I try it much times.
In Pharmacy, the want sell you viagra, but they you want this one,
Some have it some don't have it.
Take a look, near from Viagra stand this pill.
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Pedro
Pedro. Would you care for a beer? Lets go hunting.
You cannot get PM. Sadly.
Lets meet and exchange.
[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1356489]
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1355336]Ugghh! I hope your post doesn't start that silly debate again! It's a strip club. Like any strip club they are hiring hot young girls to dance. That's what their business depends on. Some girls will be hotter than other girls, and some less so. Think of where the club is located. It is in Kiev, Ukraine. That means that the population pool out of which the club draws its employees, is the same population pool that produces all those hotties you see walking around everywhere in Kiev. So using that brain material that is located within your cranium for the purpose for which it was intended, don't you think it is obvious that there will be some hot girls in a Kiev strip club? The answer is that of course there will be a cross section of the population pool of young good looking women dancing in this club, or any other. Some girls will be medium level girls on the 5 to 7 range, and a portion of the girls will be a little better looking and on the 7 to 8 range, while a proportion of other girls will be even better looking than that, and you will feel they are in the 8 to 9 range. You may even see a few girls that you feel are 10s. And the guy sitting next to you will disagree with you about how to rate each girl. Suffice it to say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and a particular girl you feel is an 8, might look like a 10 to another monger, and vice versa. The matter is eE]
Avoid it. Horny Tourist Trap: you will get fucked but you won't get laid. Avoid, Avoid, Avoid. I am a 6 year veteran of Kiev (I am here right now) , of 5 to 6 trips per year, one week each. Take my word for it, I have no interest one way or the other.[/QUOTE]
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Pedro
Hi Pedro,
I was reading your Kiev report about model girls from agency but you did not mention anything after all.
How was it?
Did you score the models or failed?
Thanks in advance.
Naykan
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[QUOTE=Harry Hirsch; 1356599]Of course it is a fake
But.
Take the "original" Ukranien "Viagra"
The Name is Poteciale, it is in a red box with little pic from Aphroditia on it.
A pack 4pills with 100mg, cost 120-150grn
This pill works 100% I try it much times.
In Pharmacy, the want sell you viagra, but they you want this one,
Some have it some don't have it.
Take a look, near from Viagra stand this pill.[/QUOTE]Dear Harry,
What about the Cialis available in pharmacies in Kiev that is packaged in tamper resistant packaging from Lilly Pharmaceuticals company? I asked about it but didn't buy it or try it yet. They wanted $14 a pill. In the USA the pharmacy sells it for something like $26 a pill. I purchased it once in San Jose, Costa Rica (in the tamper proof packaging of Lilly Pharmaceuticals also) at a pharmacy for $14 a pill, although I was concerned about fake or expired or contaminated pills, but it worked when I used it. I also purchased it in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic at a pharmacy for an even lower price per pill, and it worked.
Does anyone have experience using the Cialis sold in pharmacies in Kiev?
I usually come with an adequate supply, but it's important to know if the local supply is ok or not, just in case.
LJ
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Cialis
I buy 2 years before cialis in a pharmacy, .
And.
3 hours later I take a potenciale.
Cialis doesn't work, it was a fake.
Use this what I told, out works 100%
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Ok but there is a bette option
The ones I bought, the brand name, worked fine. Both Cialis and Viagra. But it is better to buy them ahead of time, from an onlne pharmacy, at a fraction of the cost. Information about reputable online pharmacies can be found in the appropriate section of the forum
By the way, if you do not really need them and only use them as insurance, in case you are tired or have drunk too much, make sure you split them into half or quarters, or your wood will scare you, and maybe the girl.
[QUOTE=Harry Hirsch; 1356770]I buy 2 years before cialis in a pharmacy, .
And.
3 hours later I take a potenciale.
Cialis doesn't work, it was a fake.
Use this what I told, out works 100%[/QUOTE]
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I can meet you at the lobby bar of Premier Palace Hotel
[QUOTE=DoctorOral; 1356619]Pedro. Would you care for a beer? Lets go hunting.
You cannot get PM. Sadly.
Lets meet and exchange.
[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1356489][/QUOTE]You or any other monger in the vicinity by 1 PM, Friday Dec 7th, I will be at that bar, as you walk in to the left of the piano, near the windows, having my capuccino with my iPad open, and very likely reading my email from it. Just approach and ask if I 'work; at ISG, Inc. Hope to meet you.
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Models
[QUOTE=Naykan; 1356666]Hi Pedro,
I was reading your Kiev report about model girls from agency but you did not mention anything after all.
How was it?
Did you score the models or failed?
Thanks in advance.
Naykan[/QUOTE]The agency told me that the models 'don't do overnight', so that was the (sad) end of it. I am still considering making a run at it, but the certain cost will be $300 and there may be nothing comes dessert time. The bait will have to be $1, 000 and maybe more. Then again, the photos they sent me to chose from. Those girls are worth the price. I wait till I get more crazy (or / and richer) or my 26 yrs old Ukrainian very pretty and loving GF of 3 years gets tired of me. There are no signs of that, for good or bad, and she makes sure I depleat all my shots at home. BTW, Kiev (or Kyiv) has some of the most amazing restaurants I ever saw, anywhere in the world to include NYC and Vegas. Of course, I mean by the women in attendance, but also for the decor, ambiance, live music and food. There are some women absolutely to die for. 100% super model material. You see, I go around with my GF (I am older than her dad) so I get to go to restaurants more than clubs, therefore my observations. But one of this days I will revolt and try something else: I already have a wife back at home! Makes sense? LOL.
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PremierPalace
Premier Palace is not the place I will approach men (or women) at any time for anything other than business. Sorry.
Think of a cooler place and maybe we can hang.
[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1357558]
[QUOTE=DoctorOral; 1356619]Pedro. Would you care for a beer? Lets go hunting.
You cannot get PM. Sadly.
Lets meet and exchange.
You or any other monger in the vicinity by 1 PM, Friday Dec 7th, I will be at that bar, as you walk in to the left of the piano, near the windows, having my capuccino with my iPad open, and very likely reading my email from it. Just approach and ask if I 'work; at ISG, Inc. Hope to meet you.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1357563]The agency told me that the models 'don't do overnight', so that was the (sad) end of it. I am still considering making a run at it, but the certain cost will be $300 and there may be nothing comes dessert time. The bait will have to be $1, 000 and maybe more. Then again, the photos they sent me to chose from. Those girls are worth the price. I wait till I get more crazy (or / and richer) or my 26 yrs old Ukrainian very pretty and loving GF of 3 years gets tired of me. There are no signs of that, for good or bad, and she makes sure I depleat all my shots at home. BTW, Kiev (or Kyiv) has some of the most amazing restaurants I ever saw, anywhere in the world to include NYC and Vegas. Of course, I mean by the women in attendance, but also for the decor, ambiance, live music and food. There are some women absolutely to die for. 100% super model material. You see, I go around with my GF (I am older than her dad) so I get to go to restaurants more than clubs, therefore my observations. But one of this days I will revolt and try something else: I already have a wife back at home! Makes sense? LOL.[/QUOTE]Thanks for info Pedro.
Reading your reports about Kiev and girls always make me smile.)
Can you write the name of the agency and the girls?
Hope the best for you in Kiev.
Naykan.
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Slando
[QUOTE=YummyPL; 1354083]Hi. I know I read about one somewhere on this thread but I have spent about 6 hours searching for it again with no luck.
I will be in Kiev in 2 weeks. I am looking for a place where I can post a job offering in English for a "legitimate" female interpreter at a reasonable rate (no more than $100 per day).
Any assistance would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]I find apartments on it!
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45 kg and size 5
[QUOTE=Harry Hirsch; 1349683]Hi at all,
Anybody need help with a girl in Kiev?
I know a beautiful redhaired girl, she like all sex.)
22/165cm / 45Kg She looks nearly to a Modell. (9. 0)
For one night with her you must pay 2200grn.
2-3 hours also aviable (1400grn)
When you are interested, send me PN with mail Adress and your age.
Then I send you Foto and Mail Adress from the girl and you must make all clear with her.[/QUOTE]Jerry. Used to live in Kyiv. Coming from Saudia. 52! Will you share? [blue][Email address deleted by Admin][/blue]
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Ok, your English is horrible, the information are good. I bought official Cialis in Kiev and it didn't work. I thought because I am too young for that. For years I read about members buying Cialis in Kiev and Moscow and they were very happy. Now members say official Cialis in Kiev is a great fake. Therefore my question is: placebo effect works as the real medicine or a lot of members sniff cocaine along with the fake Cialis?
[QUOTE=Harry Hirsch; 1356770]I buy 2 years before cialis in a pharmacy, .
And.
3 hours later I take a potenciale.
Cialis doesn't work, it was a fake.
Use this what I told, out works 100%[/QUOTE]
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Get verified using US cell phone number
As far I can tell from what I read, Mambaru is the best place to meet independents. But, many girls only open the profile to verified people and to be verified, I need to receive a text message from mambaru. I just wonder if there was anyone successfully receiving that message with a cell phone in US or Canada.
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Work 3 Sites
[QUOTE=Tunang0102;1358261]As far I can tell from what I read, Mambaru is the best place to meet independents. But, many girls only open the profile to verified people and to be verified, I need to receive a text message from mambaru. I just wonder if there was anyone successfully receiving that message with a cell phone in US or Canada.[/QUOTE]Log in with FB. OR. Create a profile on VK dot com. You can get the text from VK. Then log in with that. Google Chrome automatically translates so it's easy to integrate. I highly recommend VK. VK also has a great collection of real girls, but takes some effort to build a friends list as you max out on daily requests. But the groups are outstanding, as there is no censorship on it like FB. It's filled with porn. I've built a great friends list of gorgeous women in Kiev from the various sex groups and pages, by searching through group members. Some kinky sukas. Have also found girls from AnastasiaDate on VK by searching their birthday (which is right maybe 1 in 5) , Anastasia is a total scam by the way. But having a profile gives you access to their profiles so you can get names and birthdays. Mamba is a whole other game. Mambasex dot ru is where most workers and nymphos are, and they likely have their relationship profile on Mamba. I leave for Kiev in 3 weeks so have been working these three sites and getting phone numbers. Have a good set of women to get me started, and expect I can follow the advice of this board for D'Lux and Shooters. I avoided contact with girls outside of Kiev as that is where we are staying for our whole trip (my pal and me). But Odessa is definitely on the list, as it seems many hot girls move off the shitty farm and head to the beach for dick and money. Next time. 3 weeks in Kiev, and have about 20 gorgeous women that want to meet my friend and I when we arrive. Have three picking us up at the airport! VKontakte and Mamba and mambasex are all filled with options. Can't wait to get over there.
On another note. 8.25UAH=1CAD. I'm pleased that my $3K in spending cash gets me almost 25, 000 UAH. The best exchange for Canada and the US in the history of the currency. Baller for cheap. $3K in Vegas gets you 2 maybe 3 days. $25K in Vegas gets you quite a bit further. It may not stay that way as the global economy recovers, so I foresee a few more trips in coming years. If all goes according to plan. A friend I know in Fort McMurray just bought a 2 BR condo in Odessa, with a hot tub, view of the Black Sea, for $27, 000. Unreal.
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[QUOTE=Tunang0102;1358261]As far I can tell from what I read, Mambaru is the best place to meet independents. But, many girls only open the profile to verified people and to be verified, I need to receive a text message from mambaru. I just wonder if there was anyone successfully receiving that message with a cell phone in US or Canada.[/QUOTE]You must contact the Administrators of the site, and keep trying to follow up with them. Explain you have done all requested but are having difficulty. A couple years back they set my profile as verified without even getting back to me specifically, after I had the same problems and contacted them about it.
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Premier Palace
[QUOTE=DoctorOral; 1357689]Premier Palace is not the place I will approach men (or women) at any time for anything other than business. Sorry.
Think of a cooler place and maybe we can hang.
[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1357558][/QUOTE]Hey Doc,
I have four girls lined up to take my pal and I here for New Years. Seems perhaps I have been led astray? It looks ok on the net. Would like to know the inside scoop on it. I should make alternate plans soon. What's the advice for a monger's NYE in Kiev?
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[QUOTE=AColonizer;1358252]Ok, your English is horrible, the information are good. I bought official Cialis in Kiev and it didn't work. I thought because I am too young for that. For years I read about members buying Cialis in Kiev and Moscow and they were very happy. Now members say official Cialis in Kiev is a great fake. Therefore my question is: placebo effect works as the real medicine or a lot of members sniff cocaine along with the fake Cialis?[/QUOTE]Have Sex with Ukrainien Cialis, OK it is possible,
BUT.
The original Cialis works more than 12 hours maybe 24.
And of course I didn't feel anything with Ukrainien Cialis.
I'm come home now from my Trip with girlfriend in Ukraine, I take at 5 evenings. 3 pills (Potenciale)
1 in evening, it was also enough for a great morning number.
I take pill 2 hours before SEX. This is for me the best.
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Red alert, avoid Alisa
Avoid Alisa. Very dangerous. I'm not kidding. You've been warned.
Her profile here:
[url]http://mamba.ru/mb996465921/?afolder=dating[/url]
The photos on her profile are not her photos. You can try to identify her by her phone numbers:
0931136684
0637660751
0939688221
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[QUOTE=Polo79; 1358516]Avoid Alisa. Very dangerous. I'm not kidding. You've been warned.
Her profile here:
[url]http://mamba.ru/mb996465921/?afolder=dating[/url]
The photos on her profile are not her photos. You can try to identify her by her phone numbers:
0931136684.
0637660751.
0939688221[/QUOTE]Is it just not her photos or is it more than that? Could you please provide some detail? Thanks
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Good to know Canadian dollar is strong
[QUOTE=AlbertaGuy; 1358349]Log in with FB. OR. Create a profile on VK dot com. You can get the text from VK. Then log in with that. Google Chrome automatically translates so it's easy to integrate. I highly recommend VK. VK also has a great collection of real girls, but takes some effort to build a friends list as you max out on daily requests. But the groups are outstanding, as there is no censorship on it like FB. It's filled with porn. I've built a great friends list of gorgeous women in Kiev from the various sex groups and pages, by searching through group members. Some kinky sukas. Have also found girls from AnastasiaDate on VK by searching their birthday (which is right maybe 1 in 5) , Anastasia is a total scam by the way. But having a profile gives you access to their profiles so you can get names and birthdays. Mamba is a whole other game. Mambasex dot ru is where most workers and nymphos are, and they likely have their relationship profile on Mamba. I leave for Kiev in 3 weeks so have been working these three sites and getting phone numbers. Have a good set of women to get me started, and expect I can follow the advice of this board for D'Lux and Shooters. I avoided contact with girls outside of Kiev as that is where we are staying for our whole trip (my pal and me). But Odessa is definitely on the list, as it seems many hot girls move off the shitty farm and head to the beach for dick and money. Next time. 3 weeks in Kiev, and have about 20 gorgeous women that want to meet my friend and I when we arrive. Have three picking us up at the airport! VKontakte and Mamba and mambasex are all filled with options. Can't wait to get over there.
On another note. 8.25UAH=1CAD. I'm pleased that my $3K in spending cash gets me almost 25, 000 UAH. The best exchange for Canada and the US in the history of the currency. Baller for cheap. $3K in Vegas gets you 2 maybe 3 days. $25K in Vegas gets you quite a bit further. It may not stay that way as the global economy recovers, so I foresee a few more trips in coming years. If all goes according to plan. A friend I know in Fort McMurray just bought a 2 BR condo in Odessa, with a hot tub, view of the Black Sea, for $27, 000. Unreal.[/QUOTE]Thank you so much for your valuable information. Hope in February Canadian dollar is still in strong.
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[QUOTE=Global Surfer;1358733]Is it just not her photos or is it more than that? Could you please provide some detail? Thanks[/QUOTE]The photos are irrelevant. She is pretty. Has a great body. Fantastic sex.
She's also a dangerous criminal.
For those who prefer to err on the side of caution. Stay away.
For those who like to flirt with women who are as dangerous as they are beautiful. Who are drawn like moths to a fire.
She's yours.
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Premier Palace
[QUOTE=DoctorOral; 1357689]Premier Palace is not the place I will approach men (or women) at any time for anything other than business. Sorry.
Think of a cooler place and maybe we can hang.
[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1357558][/QUOTE]The idea was to meet there, make plans and go from there. The girls at PP are not that hot and are very expensive. IT is still a civilized, neat place to meet, and that was the intent. BTW, all the girls that work at PP are model type, especially one they keep by the elevators promoting the strip club upstairs: she will charm you into going 'with her' up to that club, and then she comes back down to get more clients. She is 10/10 looks though, and so the others standing by the VIP reception and casino door. Not a bad view while having legitimate Blue Montain Jamaican espresso. Anyway, the day came and went, and so did I returned to good-old USA. Maybe next time, in February.
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Name dropping.
[QUOTE=Naykan; 1357784]Thanks for info Pedro.
Reading your reports about Kiev and girls always make me smile.)
Can you write the name of the agency and the girls?
Hope the best for you in Kiev.
Naykan.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your comment. The point is that the model agency did not agree with my proposal of overnighting with their girls, so I would feel funny posting their name here. I go back in February and I will give it a an honest try (make the investment which is only honest if accompanied with cash, of course). I shall report and I hope I have excellent news: I will either fuck or get fucked. Pray for me (again). Oh, the 18 year's old beauty I was trying so hard to do, turned out to be gay, she likes girls. That is fine and dandy, but she does not appear open at all to let me participate, in any capacity.
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Gay
Don't give a shit.
Give me her number and let me watch.
No tuching.
[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1359360]Thanks for your comment. The point is that the model agency did not agree with my proposal of overnighting with their girls, so I would feel funny posting their name here. I go back in February and I will give it a an honest try (make the investment which is only honest if accompanied with cash, of course). I shall report and I hope I have excellent news: I will either fuck or get fucked. Pray for me (again). Oh, the 18 year's old beauty I was trying so hard to do, turned out to be gay, she likes girls. That is fine and dandy, but she does not appear open at all to let me participate, in any capacity.[/QUOTE]
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Fisrt time
What can you guys advice someone who goes first time to Kiev. I read lots of comment and I now little bit Russian maybe it can help me but. What should I do there where to go bla bla bla?
Thank you.
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[QUOTE=Borubudun11; 1360271]What can you guys advice someone who goes first time to Kiev. I read lots of comment and I now little bit Russian maybe it can help me but. What should I do there where to go bla bla bla?
Thank you.[/QUOTE]Rent a nice apartment, take blondinka out for a nice dinner, walk along kherzantik making grand finale of naked wine drinking in your bed. Now you are hooked and know what FSU women are all about.
Have a nice trip!
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NYE in Kiev
Guys,
New Years Eve is approaching and some people are going to celebrate it in Kiev?
Could you please post what to do stuff while being there and what to avoid?
Thanks
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Guides!
Who is the good sex tour guide in Kiev. Like Don in Rio. Someone who can take care of stuff. I have read this forum front to back and can't seem to locate anything on guides. I found a fellow named Max on a google search but he seems to be long gone.
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Anyone has used best-privateguide?
Hi,
I will be travelling to Kiev on 17th Dec 3 nights, I saw a nice website for tours with amazing looking ladies best-privateguide, has anyone used before?
Do I get the full service? Etc.
Thanks in advance
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Slando
[QUOTE=LifeSavour;1358126]I find apartments on it![/QUOTE]Great find! Thank you. This looks perfect and good for loots of things.
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[QUOTE=Borubudun11; 1360271]What can you guys advice someone who goes first time to Kiev. I read lots of comment and I now little bit Russian maybe it can help me but. What should I do there where to go bla bla bla?
Thank you.[/QUOTE]Please read top 20 pages. That will give you a very clear idea of available venues, web sites and street scene and the going prices. Once you have read and 'digested' the information feel free to ask any specific question.
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Private guide. Moski
[QUOTE=Moski; 1360601]Hi,
I will be travelling to Kiev on 17th Dec 3 nights, I saw a nice website for tours with amazing looking ladies best-privateguide, has anyone used before.[/quote]Let me know. I found the site this a / m coincidentally. I will certainly get an airport pick up. The ladies look very good. Classier than topmodals and links on their site to escorts. I'm excited.
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Spending a Penny in London.
[quote=felix nordic; 1267655]jojo!
this is for you!
some things you post are ok and true but mostly you are just like from planet mars.
felix[/quote].
this is for you. now i read that you are going to marry a girl from belarus. lol lower cost maintenance than western girls and easier to impress, even if the would be groom is a boring old fart in his home western country lol.
the following might come in useful for her on a trip to london whilst pregnant. saves you few £££ as well. reading your posts, you are always looking for bargains in far away lands.
". in the uk, a pregnant woman can legally relieve herself anywhere she wants – even in a policeman's helmet.
to all pregnant women who are reading this: if you live in the uk or next time you happen to be in the uk whilst pregnant, please remember to take advantage of this law. if you see a policeman and are desperate to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url], grab that helmet off their head and relieve yourself in it. the policeman will not be able to arrest you. it is their duty to uphold the law. they will simply have to wait politely for you to finish so they can have their helmet back.".
ps. doing a number 2 is another matter.
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Used them
[QUOTE=Moski; 1360601]Hi,
I will be travelling to Kiev on 17th Dec 3 nights, I saw a nice website for tours with amazing looking ladies best-privateguide, has anyone used before?
Do I get the full service? Etc.
Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]I used them and was disappointed by the way. I got Roksolana as a guide and she is as pretty as in her pictures but don't look at getting action off of her. She was waiting for almost 2 hours at the wrong location and because she didn't check the time of my flight either to see if I was coming late.
She then wanted $25 a hour to go out the evenings despite the fact I already agreed to the same $15 a hour for both day and night with her boss before I came so I got rid of her. She was helpful as it was first day in Kiev and getting settled but I decided after that it was a waste of money for my purposes.
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[QUOTE=Yellowpaul; 1360968]I used them and was disappointed by the way. I got Roksolana as a guide and she is as pretty as in her pictures but don't look at getting action off of her. She was waiting for almost 2 hours at the wrong location and because she didn't check the time of my flight either to see if I was coming late.
She then wanted $25 a hour to go out the evenings despite the fact I already agreed to the same $15 a hour for both day and night with her boss before I came so I got rid of her. She was helpful as it was first day in Kiev and getting settled but I decided after that it was a waste of money for my purposes.[/QUOTE]1000`s of girls from Kiev would show Kiev sights to a foreigner free of charge. Why pay to criminals charging 25 dollars per hour from stupid tourists.
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[QUOTE=Tomux 22;1361065]1000`s of girls from Kiev would show Kiev sights to a foreigner free of charge. Why pay to criminals charging 25 dollars per hour from stupid tourists.[/QUOTE]Ukrainians will do absolutely nothing for you unless it makes financial sense.
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Ukrainian guys attack sex tourist.
[url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4fc_1354238278[/url]
What do you guys think? Completely fake video? I thought it was kind of a joke, especially considering half the guys in Kiev are trying to pimp girls.
I like the "Welcome to Ukraine" address by the prostitute. :)
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow; 1361074][url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4fc_1354238278[/url]
What do you guys think? Completely fake video? I thought it was kind of a joke, especially considering half the guys in Kiev are trying to pimp girls.
I like the "Welcome to Ukraine" address by the prostitute. .[/QUOTE]Most of the guys in Ukraine hate foreigners. In fact look down on them, especially if they see you as a treat. Either way the vid is a joke or not the guy talking on the vid was against foreigners fucking ukrainian girls and wants them to be afraid to call out a prostitute. Kind of funny since most of them don't even have respect to they women.
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1361069]Ukrainians will do absolutely nothing for you unless it makes financial sense.[/QUOTE]Depends on the type of foreigner. In the end of the day most is measured in money in Ukraine. Jungle laws, person with most money shout highest.
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1361069]Ukrainians will do absolutely nothing for you unless it makes financial sense.[/QUOTE]You could NOT be more wrong!
I do know that it is certainly determined by who & whom they deal with. Just like in any culture!
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Kiev &304; nfo
Dear Friends.
We will go to Kiev in Jan 29, 2013 for 5 days. I need help about Kiev nightlife. We want go to stripclubs (non face and clothes control. Because what for control I don't know) and we want take girl for night. Money is not important. How can I found girl. Help me please.
Best Regards
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Dear Muratca
It is always nice to welcome new people and friends to Kiev, and I would like to take the opportunity to say hello and help you with the information you asked from us in the forum in order to get you started regarding the clubs and the girls. : READ THE FUCKING FORUM AND don't GO ON OUR NERVES!
[QUOTE=Muratca2006; 1361713]Dear Friends.
We will go to Kiev in Jan 29, 2013 for 5 days. I need help about Kiev nightlife. We want go to stripclubs (non face and clothes control. Because what for control I don't know) and we want take girl for night. Money is not important. How can I found girl. Help me please.
Best Regards[/QUOTE]
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Hotels and visitors
Hello all,
A quick question as I am heading to Kiev next week. Do all hotels in Kiev allow girls to come up to my room with no questions asked?
Thanks!
RL
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When money is not important, please don't monger! Just stay at your own home, and pay money to your own girls at the highest rates they want. If in some areas in the world, there are still real females and real sex is because there is still little money in those towns. It is better you go to Moscow and you will learn some good lessons.
[QUOTE=Muratca2006; 1361713]Dear Friends.
We will go to Kiev in Jan 29, 2013 for 5 days. I need help about Kiev nightlife. We want go to stripclubs (non face and clothes control. Because what for control I don't know) and we want take girl for night. Money is not important. How can I found girl. Help me please.
Best Regards[/QUOTE]
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Saunas
[QUOTE=Global Surfer;1360679]Please read top 20 pages. That will give you a very clear idea of available venues, web sites and street scene and the going prices. Once you have read and 'digested' the information feel free to ask any specific question.[/QUOTE]Hey there. I have read back about two years and have a great picture of what the club scene is like now. But I haven't seen much on the sauna activity? I see they are plentiful and all over town. I would assume it's a great place to host a hot session with a few girls in the middle of the day. Can anyone provide some input on better venues and tips they might have? Are there girls that work the saunas? They are private?
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[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1356489]
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1355336.
Avoid it. Horny Tourist Trap: you will get fucked but you won't get laid. Avoid, Avoid, Avoid. I am a 6 year veteran of Kiev (I am here right now) , of 5 to 6 trips per year, one week each. Take my word for it, I have no interest one way or the other.[/QUOTE]You mean to avoid the "Rio Strip Club"? But why exactly? I don`t understand.
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[QUOTE=Naykan; 1353823]Hi,
3 hours 300 USD.
Talk to girl before you go out about services (kissing, oral without condom.).
My experience is very positive but I don't remember her name now.
Good luck.
Naykan[/QUOTE]You remember which services she offer to you within this fee?
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First trip to Kiev
Hello all,
I am an experienced traveler and monger. However, I am planning to make my first trip to Kiev sometime early this coming year. There is much valuable information on this forum. However, I would like some advice. First of all, I am an American citizen so I believe I only need a valid passport and not a visa, is this correct. I would also like to stay in a nice hotel in a safe location (preferably one that is girl friendly). Of course, I would also like any recommendations on some good places to pick up girls. I will probably try to arrange a couple of girls through an escort agency. I've seen tons of hot girls on club and agency websites. Any recommendations would be appreciated.
Also, I am concerned about safety and crime. Any concerns or issues I should be aware of. Any language barriers.
Thank you
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Hello
[QUOTE=AColonizer;1361969]When money is not important, please don't monger! Just stay at your own home, and pay money to your own girls at the highest rates they want. If in some areas in the world, there are still real females and real sex is because there is still little money in those towns. It is better you go to Moscow and you will learn some good lessons.[/QUOTE]Do you know alternative web page for independent girls and stripclubs (I can take girl)?
Thank you
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Homework
You too will read this forum before asking the same stupid question again.
At least pretend to do some research here before posting the most stupid question.
Getting good girls in Kiev is hard work, too. So do your homework!
[QUOTE=Eddie123; 1362042]Hello all,
I am an experienced traveler and monger. However, I am planning to make my first trip to Kiev sometime early this coming year. There is much valuable information on this forum. However, I would like some advice. First of all, I am an American citizen so I believe I only need a valid passport and not a visa, is this correct. I would also like to stay in a nice hotel in a safe location (preferably one that is girl friendly). Of course, I would also like any recommendations on some good places to pick up girls. I will probably try to arrange a couple of girls through an escort agency. I've seen tons of hot girls on club and agency websites. Any recommendations would be appreciated.
Also, I am concerned about safety and crime. Any concerns or issues I should be aware of. Any language barriers.
Thank you[/QUOTE]
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Hotels
Hotes really differ.
Premier palace, yes you can.
Hyatt, yes you can.
Opera, yes you can.
Rus promotes their own girls (or protects). So you will have to book a double room to bring in girls or pay for the girl (visitor fee). Sometimes, you ccan also bribe the doorman. Same for lybid hotel.
[QUOTE=Royal Lover; 1361803]Hello all,
A quick question as I am heading to Kiev next week. Do all hotels in Kiev allow girls to come up to my room with no questions asked?
Thanks!
RL[/QUOTE]
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DoctorOral
[QUOTE=DoctorOral;1361767]It is always nice to welcome new people and friends to Kiev, and I would like to take the opportunity to say hello and help you with the information you asked from us in the forum in order to get you started regarding the clubs and the girls. : READ THE FUCKING FORUM AND don't GO ON OUR NERVES![/QUOTE]Write me alternative web page please.
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No barriers
[QUOTE=Eddie123; 1362042]Hello all,
I am an experienced traveler and monger. Any language barriers?[/QUOTE]No barriers at all, if you walk around Kreschatick with an Open Mouth looking clueless.
Someone is bound to come along and start talking to you.
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[QUOTE=Muratca2006;1362050]Write me alternative web page please.[/QUOTE]I think DoctorOral might recommend The Web page (Kiev For Wankers) , if anything for Health reasons.
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11617
Dude, this one has 11617 postings. One for every kind of sex / girl / position / price you can imagine.
[QUOTE=Muratca2006;1362050]Write me alternative web page please.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Eddie123; 1362042]Hello all,
Also, I am concerned about safety and crime. Any concerns or issues I should be aware of. Any language barriers.
Thank you[/QUOTE]Strange with Americans afraid of crime in Europe. USA has a 730 out of 100.000 in Jail.
Ukraine have 334 out of 100.000 in Jails. Ukraine in not famous for schools massacres, people going postal etc.
In Ukraine is it not legal to shoot people "trespassing".
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[QUOTE=DoctorOral; 1362048]You too will read this forum before asking the same stupid question again.
At least pretend to do some research here before posting the most stupid question.
Getting good girls in Kiev is hard work, too. So do your homework![/QUOTE]FU. I'm not sure who you are moron but I most definitely wouldn't want advice from a douchebag like you. I just figured that there may actually be someone with mannersand a sense of maturity on here. I guess I was clearly wrong.
"Stop the hate"
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Hard work
[QUOTE=Eddie123; 1362042]Hello all,
I am an experienced traveler and monger. However, I am planning to make my first trip to Kiev sometime early this coming year. There is much valuable information on this forum. However, I would like some advice. First of all, I am an American citizen so I believe I only need a valid passport and not a visa, is this correct. I would also like to stay in a nice hotel in a safe location (preferably one that is girl friendly). Of course, I would also like any recommendations on some good places to pick up girls. I will probably try to arrange a couple of girls through an escort agency. I've seen tons of hot girls on club and agency websites. Any recommendations would be appreciated.
Also, I am concerned about safety and crime. Any concerns or issues I should be aware of. Any language barriers.
Thank you[/QUOTE]Hello Eddie,
I'm in a good mood, and you ask so politely, that I will try to help, but I'm inclined to agree with the Doctor that there is really not great sense in your line of questioning. And for every sensible answere there are several more silly questions. Firstly, would you really travel without visa to Ukraine if some anonymous person in this forum told you to? This would seem stupid to me. So why not google it, or send a request to your local authorities? Secondly, you want info about where to pick up girls. This is repeatedly discussed in this forum and you only have to use the search function or read more than you have done to get the necessary information. Read, read, read, and use some brain, too. How are people to understand what you exactly mean by a SAFE location? Have I missed some reports about risky spots in Kiev? Are you a VIP person looking for a hotel with armed guards? Then I'm not particularly impressed by your security code! Try reading some american travel guide about what an American has to expect when he arrives in Kiev. And why keep guys here asking for a girl-friendly hotel, instead of asking the receptionist a simple question when they make the reservation? Like: is there a problem if I want to invite a guest to my room? Or, better still, take the standard procedure and put a Benjamin in the pocket of the doorman? Think. If you cannot solve these tiny things for yourself, there is little use to answer any question from you at all. No offence, don't take this personally, you're just a dot in a long line of people who seem to think the best way to success is to seek a personal coach in this forum. You ask for recommendation? No girl will fall into your arms if you don't make the move yourself. I recommend you suit your personal taste and strength in this field. Its individual if some succeed on the street, some in the clubs, some with agencies, etc etc. Read. There are tons of information and guide for you. Think, about what you need and what you like. Fuck the female, she will love it. Then fuck her again. Or some other. Or fuck them all. It's hard work, but it's the general idea behind our plan, isn't it? Don't forget to report, then we can have more useful and fun discussion in this forum.
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[QUOTE=Terjep; 1362280]Strange with Americans afraid of crime in Europe. USA has a 730 out of 100. 000 in Jail.
Ukraine have 334 out of 100. 000 in Jails. Ukraine in not famous for schools massacres, people going postal etc.
In Ukraine is it not legal to shoot people "trespassing".[/QUOTE]Great! Another HATER. This must be a cursed forum.
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[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1362247]No barriers at all, if you walk around Kreschatick with an Open Mouth looking clueless.
Someone is bound to come along and start talking to you.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your input.
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[QUOTE=Roll Buzz; 1362398]Hello Eddie,
I'm in a good mood, and you ask so politely, that I will try to help, but I'm inclined to agree with the Doctor that there is really not great sense in your line of questioning. And for every sensible answere there are several more silly questions. Firstly, would you really travel without visa to Ukraine if some anonymous person in this forum told you to? This would seem stupid to me. So why not google it, or send a request to your local authorities? Secondly, you want info about where to pick up girls. This is repeatedly discussed in this forum and you only have to use the search function or read more than you have done to get the necessary information. Read, read, read, and use some brain, too. How are people to understand what you exactly mean by a SAFE location? Have I missed some reports about risky spots in Kiev? Are you a VIP person looking for a hotel with armed guards? Then I'm not particularly impressed by your security code! Try reading some american travel guide about what an American has to expect when he arrives in Kiev. And why keep guys here asking for a girl-friendly hotel, instead of asking the receptionist a simple question when they make the reservation? Like: is there a problem if I want to invite a guest to my room? Or, better still, take the standard procedure and put a Benjamin in the pocket of the doorman? Think. If you cannot solve these tiny things for yourself, there is little use to answer any question from you at all. No offence, don't take this personally, you're just a dot in a long line of people who seem to think the best way to success is to seek a personal coach in this forum. You ask for recommendation? No girl will fall into your arms if you don't make the move yourself. I recommend you suit your personal taste and strength in this field. Its individual if some succeed on the street, some in the clubs, some with agencies, etc etc. Read. There are tons of information and guide for you. Think, about what you need and what you like. Fuck the female, she will love it. Then fuck her again. Or some other. Or fuck them all. It's hard work, but it's the general idea behind our plan, isn't it? Don't forget to report, then we can have more useful and fun discussion in this forum.[/QUOTE]I am always polite and try to treat people with respect my friend. However, I have a big problem with inept people and there seems to be quiet a few of those on this forum. It is probably my fault for being here in the first place. Thank you for your input and long lecture. Are you a school teacher? Haha. Looking for a personal coach?! looking for advice and a tour guide are two very different things sport. I think you had a "brain fart" on that one. I guess there is no point in taking any of this personally since I don't know you and you don't know me, right?. Plus, in many cultures people communicate differently. It is okay, we have TONS of dickheads here in the US. I've gathered some good information from your posting and I appreciate your advice. All the negative stuff and nonsense can be ignored.
"A benjamin in the pocket of the doorman" very funny!. Unless that doorman transforms into a girl and provides me with a great blowjob, my Benjamins are staying with me :).
"Fuck the female, she will love it" love this quote.
Take care man!
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Welcome
[QUOTE=Eddie123;1362472]Thank you for your input. You are the first non-hater on this forum.[/QUOTE].
Eddie. Welcome to the Ukraine forum. Take it with a pinch of Salt and a large shot of Tequilla, then you will realize that there are no Haters here, just what you might call (Prick Teasers ). Its part and parcel of a Welcome Pack and Survival guide for Some newbies to the Kiev thread.
I had some real Bollocking when I first posted here in 2009, trying to find out what was the meaning of Salons in Kiev, never heard it before. It turned out it was meant (Brothels) , in London they are called (Parlors) there you go. I also took some time to digest what was meant by Sponsoring.
I thought that was straight forward P4P.
Other questions you raised (Crime, Safety, Visas, etc) are answered here on the this link on the US State Department site / Travel for Us Citizens. .
[url]http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1053.html.[/url] They are your best Friends in Kiev when needed as well.
As you can appreciate members here are an International lot, hence Visa requirements will vary from country to country.
I see from your posts that you have travelled to Moscow few times. Well I think Kiev is a hell lot easier, cheaper and safer to do than Moscow.
As for your Question about " Language Barriers " in Kiev, I really can't answer that one, because.
My First Language is (Esperanto) and I speak it like a Native. No Barriers 4 me anywhere in the world including KIEV.
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@EDDIE123.
All what you need is writing before in this Forum.
It will be not change all week.
But a little bit for you.)
Hotel. Take Flat you not get any problem with girls.
[url]www.bestkievapartment.com[/url] Have apartments with security, if you need it.
Normaly Kiev isn't dangerous.
Bars where you can find Girls. Budha Bar, Vodka Bar.
Discos. Arena, DLux, Avalon, Babuchka, and.
Much Escort Services, you find it in Forum section!
Strip clubs. [url]http://striptease.ua/eng/clubs[/url], Rio is one of the best.
But I never been there.
I use only Mamba.
Hard work, you must learn to use it and then you can find girl what you need.
Cheep and good.
In Summer time on Kreschchatik you can find freelancer.
Now I have write what you want. But with this you can't make anything.
If you want go there, I can send you a girl, she shows you Kiev (no Sex)
Help you at all, Flat, Taxi, Shopping, Clubs, Girls and and and
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[QUOTE=TheAlvarez1001;1362025]You remember which services she offer to you within this fee?[/QUOTE]Kissing, oral without condom and 3 times sex.
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[QUOTE=Muratca2006;1362050]Write me alternative web page please.[/QUOTE]Try Rio strip club.
Easiest way to fuck a nice girl who you would see naked before.
3 hours 300 USD.
Good luck.
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Mamba "Real" status
I'm going to Kiev in January and thanks to the info here I decided to try to line up some girls via mamba. Ru, but many profiles require that you have a "real" status to view them. I tried to enable it by having an SMS sent to my US phone, but I don't get the SMS. I googled the problem and this seems to be a common issue for verification to US phone numbers. I have two questions:
1- Are there any other alterntives to get my mamba. Ru account flagged as real?
2- Does it really matter? I found plenty of profiles that looked like working girls that weren't blocking users without the "real" status
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Hulk
Hulk. You put much effort in this. PM me and tell me what you want, you can skip the Mamba part. I give you enough contacts and venues to enjoy your time!
[QUOTE=Hulk; 1362570]I'm going to Kiev in January and thanks to the info here I decided to try to line up some girls via mamba. Ru, but many profiles require that you have a "real" status to view them. I tried to enable it by having an SMS sent to my US phone, but I don't get the SMS. I googled the problem and this seems to be a common issue for verification to US phone numbers. I have two questions:
1- Are there any other alterntives to get my mamba. Ru account flagged as real?
2- Does it really matter? I found plenty of profiles that looked like working girls that weren't blocking users without the "real" status[/QUOTE]
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Eddie.
[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1362490]Eddie. Welcome to the Ukraine forum.
Other questions you raised (Crime, Safety, Visas, etc) are answered here on the this link on the US State Department site / Travel for Us Citizens. .
[url]http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1053.html.[/url]
They are your best Friends in Kiev when needed as well.[/QUOTE][url]http://travel.state.gov/[/url]
That said, I ignored all advise against travel to UA at the Height of the Swine Flu thing back in Nov 2009 and I scored big time there.
Glad other would be mongers stayed away. Then. .
Yeah, where there is Muck, there is Gold.
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Mamba oh Mamba.
Didn't realize so many Russian girls living in London.
Had a quick lookie today and within one hour had few replying to my winks on mamba.
They are civvies working in finance, management etc in London, looking for Friendship and Relationships.
All seem genuine, but too fucking inquestive for my liking
Only problem is, I am spoilt by the young hot Blonde escorts in London (Fuck and Go ). All Guaranteed and for much cheaper than going out on a date with girls who are not on the same scale and older. .
Try Mamba if you are going to London on a Stopover. .
Tomorrow I am all geared up to Fuck, Lick, and get BBBJ from 7 girls at a Party and all for about US210 for 2 hours.
Why would I need to bother with Mamba.
I answered my Question.
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Newbie Etiquette
to the new members who began posting recently by posting simplistic questions like, which hotel is girl friendly or where to pick up girls, please realize that doing this frustrates the veteran members who have already posted the answers to these very questions previously on this kiev thread. it demonstrates that you have not sufficiently read this thread, because if you had done so, you would already have gotten the answers to these types of questions. why do veteran members get frustrated by this oft repeated newbie behavior? because they want to help the newbie members, and because of this they have previously already invested the time and effort to compose reports on this thread containing all the good information that newbies might need, and then they see that the newbies don't bother to read what they have written. instead, some newbies post the same basic questions again and again.
it cannot be that such newbies lack the basic intelligence to realize that on a forum such as this, someone must have asked and discussed how to find girls in kiev or where best to stay, since that is the main focus and purpose of this thread. so obviously, despite knowing that it has already been written about, they still persist in posting such basic questions again. in doing so, what the newbie communicates to the veteran posters here on the thread is: " i am a newbie who is a lazy fuck, and i do not want to trouble myself to read what you all have written previously. instead i want you to write over again another post just for me personally, to spoon feed me the information, so that i don't have to bother to read the forum. so please inconvenience yourselves again to rewrite what you just wrote previously yet another time just for me." doing this bespeaks a lot of inconsideration toward the veterans who have taken the time and effort to prepare posts that contain all this good information.
and so when the newbie demonstrates this kind of inconsideration toward the veteran posters by requesting that they write over again for this newbie what they have already previously written, it sometimes generates the response to read the fucking forum, or in short rtff!
so, to address eddie123 and doctor oral's recent spat, i would say, eddie, don't get to overly bent out of shape by doctororal's rebuke to read the forum. it could have been said to any number of other newbies recently posting very simplistic basic questions that obviously have been addressed in this kiev thread before. it just fell to your lot to be the tripwire for doctororal to have reached the frustration point with this phenomenon that continues of different newbies posting initial simplistic questions about information readily available in the thread. getting flamed with rtff is no big deal. don't get offended too much. just get the message and start reading the thread. you will soon come by the information you need. and yes we all understand that there is a lot of pages to skim through and search for good, usable intel, and there certainly is a lot of off-point bullshit that was written, but all the good info is there. just read and copy / paste what seems like usable information into your own summary document as you read. you can extract all the good info that way from the thread for later review and consolidation.
and i disagree with the opinion recently expressed that it is sufficient to read only the last 20 pages of this thread. that is perhaps sufficient for you to come across some really good posts and become convinced of the need for further reading. but i think that to prepare for a trip, one should have read at least the last two years, or one year of posts, whatever one has time for. there is a lot of good information that will be missed otherwise, and it is rep001tered here and there. if you have a few months before your trip, there's no reason you can't read a year or two of this thread. so start reading. and perhaps the next question you post will be an educated one that addresses some facet or issue that hasn't had a clear answer on the thread previously.
here are two suggestions for newbies to get a head start on becoming familiar with the kiev scene more quickly. first, use the reports of distinction thread to lead you to some information that is basic and usable, and follow the links mentioned in the reports there. i have a series of reports referenced there all about the various girl options in kiev and the goings on in the rio strip club. a second short cut to knowledge is to read reports by a particular writer who you feel is being informative generally or for your purposes. i recommend to you to read my own posts going back on the thread. to do this simply click on the username of the member to open a small dialog box with 4 option, one of which is "view forum posts". then you will get a list of links going back written by that member. the reason i recommend my own posts for you, is that i often took the trouble to compose summary type reports of all the options available in kiev for getting girls and pros and cons of each. that will give you a good start.
here is the link to my first post:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-kiev&p=1136445&viewfull=1#post1136445[/url]
it dates from march 2011, and is 265 pages back in this thread. that's the size of a small book. you could start from there. it's really not too much to read to adequately prepare for a trip.
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Girl friendly hotel`s
[QUOTE=DoctorOral; 1362049]Hotes really differ.
Premier palace, yes you can.
Hyatt, yes you can.
Opera, yes you can.
Rus promotes their own girls (or protects). So you will have to book a double room to bring in girls or pay for the girl (visitor fee). Sometimes, you ccan also bribe the doorman. Same for lybid hotel.[/QUOTE]What about Kreshchatick hotel? Anyone got informations about its girl friendly or not?
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Apartments
Anybody have an opinion about finding an apartment on [url]http://realt.ua/.[/url] Seems cheaper than a Kievapts. Com (very reputable establishment) for stays of a month or longer. Is it worth the effort of trolling through the many listings of countless agents?
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[QUOTE=Hulk; 1362570]I'm going to Kiev in January and thanks to the info here I decided to try to line up some girls via mamba. Ru, but many profiles require that you have a "real" status to view them. I tried to enable it by having an SMS sent to my US phone, but I don't get the SMS. I googled the problem and this seems to be a common issue for verification to US phone numbers. I have two questions:
1- Are there any other alterntives to get my mamba. Ru account flagged as real?
2- Does it really matter? I found plenty of profiles that looked like working girls that weren't blocking users without the "real" status[/QUOTE]I wrote about this several times before, as have other members who had different suggestions. What happened in my case, is that I began to send emails requesting real status and explaining the problem I was having to the mamba. Ru website administrators. Eventually what happened was that they assigned real status to my account without the protocol of the SMS being received by my US phone etc. So perhaps do the same and you may succeed that way.
LJ
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Newbie Etiquette continued
[QUOTE=Hulk; 1362570]I'm going to Kiev in January and thanks to the info here I decided to try to line up some girls via mamba. Ru, but many profiles require that you have a "real" status to view them. I tried to enable it by having an SMS sent to my US phone, but I don't get the SMS. I googled the problem and this seems to be a common issue for verification to US phone numbers. I have two questions:
1- Are there any other alterntives to get my mamba. Ru account flagged as real?
2- Does it really matter? I found plenty of profiles that looked like working girls that weren't blocking users without the "real" status[/QUOTE]Dear Hulk,
Just for the record, this question was asked and answered in the thread a number of times, the last of which was very recently, in fact on December 9, 2012, a mere 11 days ago! Here is the link to my response:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1358350&viewfull=1#post1358350[/url]
See my answer there and Albertaguy's response immediately below mine with other suggestions.
This is a perfect example of a newbie asking a question just previously asked without bothering to read the thread sufficiently. So Hulk you really need to do your homework. It could have been you, instead of Eddie123 that got flamed with a RTFF response. One reason I cut you some slack is that being able to function on mamba. Ru in the months before a trip to collect contacts of girls to meet with, is a crucial element of Kiev mongering presently, and cannot await the time needed to read a year or two of this thread going back, although I'm sure you would have come across the posts from 11 days ago eventually. So don't be so lazy, and may your next posts be educated questions or informative reports.
LJ
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Kreshchatick
This one involves $ for the doorman!
[QUOTE=TheAlvarez1001;1362732]What about Kreshchatick hotel? Anyone got informations about its girl friendly or not?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=DoctorOral;1362933]This one involves $ for the doorman![/QUOTE]Thanks. So what you think is an usually fee for a doorman? 5$? 10$ 20$ more?
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[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1362643]Didn't realize so many Russian girls living in London.
Had a quick lookie today and within one hour had few replying to my winks on mamba.
They are civvies working in finance, management etc in London, looking for Friendship and Relationships.
All seem genuine, but too fucking inquestive for my liking
Only problem is, I am spoilt by the young hot Blonde escorts in London (Fuck and Go ). All Guaranteed and for much cheaper than going out on a date with girls who are not on the same scale and older. .
Try Mamba if you are going to London on a Stopover. .
Tomorrow I am all geared up to Fuck, Lick, and get BBBJ from 7 girls at a Party and all for about US210 for 2 hours.
Why would I need to bother with Mamba.
I answered my Question.[/QUOTE]I'm not really sure but I would think that Mamba in the UK is more of a social network as opposed to some means of marketing prostitution.
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[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1362643]Didn't realize so many Russian girls living in London.
Had a quick lookie today and within one hour had few replying to my winks on mamba.
They are civvies working in finance, management etc in London, looking for Friendship and Relationships.
All seem genuine, but too fucking inquestive for my liking
Only problem is, I am spoilt by the young hot Blonde escorts in London (Fuck and Go ). All Guaranteed and for much cheaper than going out on a date with girls who are not on the same scale and older. .
Try Mamba if you are going to London on a Stopover.[/QUOTE]Same in Paris (maybe to a lesser extent though). Mamba is one of my best ressource to find Russian girls here. An exemple among (literally) dozens of others. Got a date recently with a Russian MILF (36 yo) to whom I sent a message at 5 pm. She was on line and answered quasi immediatly. It appeared that she worked in tourism industry (she is partner in an agency for Russian vacationers) and that her office where near my place (Opera). After a little chit-chat, we agreed to meet up at the Palais Royal at 7pm. Arrives a tall, blonde, slender, haughty and excessively well-dressed woman, in one word a Russian. We go to the Hotel du Louvre's bar, where we confortably seat, begin to talk, down one, then two, then three, then four, then five and then six mojitos. Talk became more and more witty and teasing. We meshed well. No need to say that after six mojitos I felt that she totally downed her guard, and anyway we all know that when a Russian woman starts to seriously drink, it's that she wants to fuck. When I offer to go dinning in a georgian place, she answers that she is tired of restaurants (good attitude) and that it would be more enjoyable to buy a bottle of wine, some sushis, and go to my place. Which we did. I won't elaborate about what followed, except that it was, as usual with Russian women, a wild night of no-holds-barred and passionate bareback sex.
Mamba is not all about prostitutes and sponsorettes. It's a good dating tool also.
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Kiev. Medicines
Dear all. Where is a good trustworthy pharmacy in Kiev to buy Cs?
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American Pizza and directions
So I was walking down Basseina street and I passed the Dominos. It occurred to me that I should try American pizza in Kiev. I opened the door and the warm, familiar smell of American pizza wafted over me. I struggled to make my order with the cashier who looked down, giggled to herself, and shared knowing glances with her coworker in the way that so many people here do when they see that you are a "tourist". I settled down into one of the seats and waited for my order. A few minutes later, two women in their early twenties walked into the place. One was grossly overweight and the other could have been cute but was about 60 lbs overweight. I was surprised to see young women so overweight here in Kiev. I was wondering how these girls had gotten so overweight here in Kiev. It truly looked so strange and out of place. And then they opened their mouths. And out came the loud braying of american english. Oh my god. Of course.
A little later I was coming out of the underground in front of the mandarin market. I passed an older couple who said something to me which I couldn't understand except for the word "Kreshchatik". I realized they were asking me for directions and were headed in the wrong direction. Using hand signals and the word "the" I managed to give them directions on how to get to Kreshchatik street. When I left them they were headed back in the right direction. I had just accomplished helping Ukrainians find their way around in their own capital despite my poor grasp of their language. It's hard to describe the feeling but it felt great. It felt like Kiev had become a part of me.
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Mamba.
[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1363119]I'm not really sure but I would think that Mamba in the UK is more of a social network as opposed to some means of marketing prostitution.[/QUOTE]Correct. I didn't have a look at it until few days ago.
Got many replies, but I won't be meeting any of them. .
Spoilt by the Price, Age Scale, Looks of Escorts and parties in this city.
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It felt like Kiev had become a part of me.
NICE WORDS. A little like I feel. We should be in touch, Polo. But I cannot PM you!
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1363119]I'm not really sure but I would think that Mamba in the UK is more of a social network as opposed to some means of marketing prostitution.[/QUOTE]Maybe 50-50. I've been chatting (on Mamba) with two Russians for maybe a year, one likes only to chat and ardently denies close encounter of a romantic nature, the other has stayed overnight twice at a Gatwick-hotel, and received a present ($300). But there are of course not so many to choose from in London as in Kiev. Maybe it's good advice like someone wrote, to contact online girls.
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[QUOTE=DoctorOral;1363264]Dear all. Where is a good trustworthy pharmacy in Kiev to buy Cs?[/QUOTE]I've never been looking for Cialis, but never had bad experience with other things from the Aptekas in Kiev, and I've been there ten times or more. I go to places where someone will speak a little English. There is this little shop on Basseyna street, opposite, but not far from Bessarabska market, I like to go shopping Genagra. There is an interesting, big pharmacy on Volodimirska opposite the opera, and entering feels like stepping into the soviet era, I guess. I remember visiting a shopping mall in east Berlin in the eighties and there was this huge shoe department, but shoes for men were all of the same kind, only different colours and sizes. This pharmacy gave me similar feeling as the 'Kaufhaus des Ostens'.
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Mamba other options
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1362877]I wrote about this several times before, as have other members who had different suggestions. What happened in my case, is that I began to send emails requesting real status and explaining the problem I was having to the mamba. Ru website administrators. Eventually what happened was that they assigned real status to my account without the protocol of the SMS being received by my US phone etc. So perhaps do the same and you may succeed that way.
LJ[/QUOTE]I use Mamba frequently but is becomming worst and worst with too much non real girls or agencies and also blocking my account. Maybe someone can recomend other options than Mamba?
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[QUOTE=Sponsor74;1363447]I use Mamba frequently but is becomming worst and worst with too much non real girls or agencies and also blocking my account. Maybe someone can recomend other options than Mamba?[/QUOTE]Have you tried [url]http://vk.com[/url] ? There were some reports that they like it better than Mamba.
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Mamba and V kontakte
[QUOTE=Vitrea; 1363544]Have you tried.
[url]http://vk.com[/url]
? There were some reports that they like it better than Mamba.[/QUOTE]Thanks for tour reply. Yes I used VK too in the past but seems you need now an invitation of a current member and confirmation via sms. For sure a good option however maybe other experts have other options too. Almost all of us use these tools or travel there to see live and on the spot the girls. But this is time consuming and I hope soon we will have more options in internet to prepare the contacts and terms& conditions
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Seek an Arrangement.
[QUOTE=Sponsor74; 1363608 Yes I used VK too in the past but seems you need now an invitation of a current member and confirmation via sms. For sure a good option however maybe other experts have other options too. Almost all of us use these tools or travel there to see live and on the spot the girls. But this is time consuming and I hope soon we will have more options in internet to prepare the contacts and terms& conditions[/QUOTE].
I know of few buds who have used this site [url]http://www.seekingarrangement.com/Ukraine/[/url]
But for girls seeking arrangement in the US. The site was featured on CNN and covered by reputable Newspapers in the US and UK. It seems to be very reliable, but I don't know of anyone who actually used it to find girls in KIEv and the UA.
From memory, I think it was (Pedro Toronga) who mentioned it in this thread.
It does seem a more reliable way of Sponsoring girls.
But," Proof of The Puddiing is in The Eating ".
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Stripping at Beirut Airport.
[url]http://blogbaladi.com/ukrainian-woman-strips-at-beirut-airport-to-protest-smoking-ban/.[/url]
UA Girls Love to Strip.
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Stripping at Beirut Airport.
[url]http://blogbaladi.com/ukrainian-woman-strips-at-beirut-airport-to-protest-smoking-ban/.[/url]
UA Girls Love to Strip, even at a Middle Eastern Airport. .
Would love to see this Lebanese Model, Singer, Stripping as well. Watch (Miriam) on here.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaraWc_rmb0.[/url]
No wonder General David Petraeus and Genenral Allen fell for a Lebanese American Woman, Jill Kahwam Kelly.
Prosal, is the one 2 score with Lebanese Girls.
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Re Mamba, London
[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1363287]Got many replies, but I won't be meeting any of them.
Spoilt by the Price, Age Scale, Looks of Escorts and parties in this city.[/QUOTE]Never say never. Spoke too fucking soon, before I got this reply with 3 Photos. Just my type, Hot Blonde, tanned, and in London. .
"Hi you are very welcome my Dear, it was really nice hearing back from you again. Any way there are some few pictures of me. I will like you to tell me some thing about your self and some pictuers of you if possible. Hope to hear back from you again soon, Take care ".
Now I have got to sit down when I am sober to write my Script, hinting that I am into P4P short time.
This Mamba London is amazing.
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[QUOTE=Sponsor74;1363447]I use Mamba frequently but is becomming worst and worst with too much non real girls or agencies and also blocking my account. Maybe someone can recomend other options than Mamba?[/QUOTE]Sponsor74, I never used Mamba. Ru expecting to find a real girl there. From the beginning of my first use of that website several years ago, I became convinced that most of the profiles were fake pictures. My searches were for girls engaged in pay for play (P4P) where use of fake pictures is certainly the norm.
There is a certain business logic involved in the use of fake pictures by an agency or girl apartment, or even an independent individual girl, offering p4p. The objective of such a girl or agency is the same as any business advertising, which is: to lure you to make the call to them! That is the first step in the business objective that they have. It is the equivalent of the door to door salesman getting his proverbial foot into your door; that coveted first moment of anyone selling anything, to get you to look or to listen. So of course the sexiest and most attractive picture will grab your eye better and will be used by such girls or agencies in their advertising. And everything will be promised to you and said to you when you call that will be calculated to convince you to go to the next step, and agree to let the girl come to your door. Once that is achieved, they have their foot in your door, and you are easy prey. You are not an objective educated consumer. Instead you are a most vulnerable horny man, whose own libido has been working you over since you made the call to the hot, sexy escort, raising your excitement and internal sexual furnace to the highest zones of intensity. And it is you, in this truly pathetic state of arousal, that the escort girl will need to confront when she arrives at your door. Yes, of course she is not the girl in the photos! And perhaps she doesn't really speak English, more than a few words. But, she has a vagina! And pathetic you really, really wants to fuck. It's the easiest sale in the world to make. It's really not too hard for any decent looking girl to seduce you when you are in such a horny state. Only a girl who is very unappealing, a real dog, a piglet, will fail to gain entrance to your apartment. Most men in a horny state of arousal will just take the girl, fake picture or not, if she looks reasonably attractive.
However, a man who has had sufficient sex already that day or the day before, and who is not so horny, but rather who is involved in a mongering trip, fucking many more women than he really needs to, as a matter of sport or entertainment, rather than libidinous need, and who is looking for a high level of beauty for his next conquest, is a different and far more difficult customer for these fake picture escort agencies or girls to confront. The sated monger is not the typical very horny male calling an escort because he needs a sexual release, and will stand there at the door, pathetically at the mercy of sexual urges, that are the allies of the escort girl standing there at his door, looking nothing like the picture he saw (a thought somewhere in the back of his mind, all but lost in the sexual stimulation the girl at the door is trying to throw at him). No. The sated monger, is a connoisseur of sex, looking not so much for sexual release, as much as for sexual achievement on the highest level. He wants to enjoy the beauty he saw depicted in the photos on the website, and has no desire to waste his seed on an average, or even above average looking girl. So the fake picture escort at the door will likely get the boot by the monger, unless he is just beginning his mongering trip, and is horny enough like a regular guy, and wants to get the "edge" off, even with a cheap fuck of an average looking girl.
The sated monger, a connoisseur of sex, is not the usual horny vulnerable customer these fake picture escort agencies typically deal with. He is a much more educated consumer, and far more objective and selective in his choice of p4p pussy. And the advice given for the mongers on this thread is: if the girl does not measure up to expectations, simply send her away. Conversely, if she is hot enough to light your fire, then keep and enjoy her regardless of the fake picture.
The prevalent use of fake pictures is not a reason to not meet with girls from mamba. Ru, or top-modals. Com or any of the other Internet websites for escorts in Kiev advertising low rates of 800 UAH or a little more or less. On the contrary, if one wants to get cheap pussy in Kiev, all these websites are the primary method to get such low cost girls over to your apartment. So if the picture turns out to be fake, as it usually does, all it means is that for these types of girls, your shopping really only begins when the girl arrives and you can see what she is actually selling. Therefore, when making the initial calls to the agency or mamba girl to set up the date and summon the girl to your apartment, you are merely rolling the dice, and taking a gamble on what will show up at your door. It is a numbers game. You need to keep doing it enough times for there to be a statistical likelihood of a good looking girl showing up at your door. But if you keep doing it enough times, and sending away those who don't measure up, eventually you will have a girl who is attractive enough, or maybe even very attractive, show up at your door. That is the reported experience of the members writing on this thread. There are a lot of hot young girls engaged in p4p activities in Kiev, and to meet them you have to roll the dice enough times. It's as simple as that. The problem of the fake pictures exists, but is to be surmounted in the above fashion. It's like having blind dates. Same thing. Often the girl is not what you're looking for. But sometimes she is. However, there are some factors working in your favor. In Kiev the population pool from which the p4p girls are drawn, contains a statistically high percentage of girls who are skinny. Obesity is not yet the problem in Ukraine among young women in their teens and early twenties, that it is in the West. Also, The Eastern European genetic pool contains the ingredients that produces those amazing female body shapes with the narrow waists and wide shapely hips and nicely curved derrières that we have all come to appreciate, admire and lust for. As a consequence there are many skinny girls with good bodies that are plying the p4p trade, with the facial features and level of actual beauty being the largest chance factor. So there is actually a fairly good probability, given the population pool in Kiev, that a hot, young girl with a skinny, sexy body and nice enough face, will show up at your door, if you give it enough chances.
So fuck the fake picture problem. Just continue to use mamba. Ru and you will likely have as much fun as those who have reported on this thread previously.
If you are one of those guys who does not want to waste time rolling the dice and meeting with girls that you don't know what they look like in advance, then you are like me, and ample advice on how and where to meet girls in Kiev that you can see in person before choosing them, has been given in this thread. Go to the recommended night clubs and figure out which girls are p4p and meet them there. Go to the strip clubs and take them out from there. Go to girl apartments and select them there. Go into the shopping malls and walk the streets, if you're interested in regular dating, and start up with them there, and everywhere. In all these places, you can see the girls before choosing. In the strip clubs you can even see them naked, and touch their bodies in a private dance, before choosing. But these options are more expensive. So if you want cheaper sex of $100 or less per hour, you need to get past the fixation on true pictures, and simply deal with the fake picture Internet p4p scene that exists in Kiev. That's the bottom line. Gia is the only true pic Internet escort agency reported on here, but it is a more expensive option.
If you are looking for regular dating, not P4P, on the Internet sites such as mamba. Ru, here is an interesting observation. Some members looking for regular girls and freebie dating have insisted in their reports on this thread that most of the girls they met with from mamba. Ru had used true pictures. I am not in a position to dispute them because I was only interested in finding p4p girls who would have sex at the first meeting and get right down to it, since I had no time in a short weekend visit to Kiev to wine and dine and maybe seduce a regular girl, and therefore no interest in pursuing regular girls on mamba. Ru. But assuming that what they wrote is factual, it makes sense. A regular girl who wants to date, knows that lying to you will spell doom to the relationship. And that goes for much smaller things than what she looks like too. So it's less likely that a regular girl would use fake pics.
By contrast, p4p girls or agencies, are trying desperately to get you to call them and invite them to your apartment in order to get your money, so if a fake pic is helpful to get you to call, of course they will use it, and will hope that your horniness will help them overcome your objections when they get to your door and the sham is revealed, but a sexy girl is standing in front of you, ready for sex. And furthermore, since they are advertising for p4p, of course they prefer not to associate their actual faces with the ads, as they have families and a future life to think of.
So p4p, are likely fake pics. But regular girls are likely real pics.
LJ
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[QUOTE=DoctorOral;1362933]This one involves $ for the doorman![/QUOTE]I stayed there for four nights. First night I picked up a girl form hotel lobby and she told me that she has to pay USD 20 to the security. I beleived her and paid (I think that was nothing more than a rip off). Next time I brought from out side and nobody asked me and never paid anything.
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NYE in Kiev and other stuff
Hello fellow mongers,
It's been almost a year since my last post, because last NYE is almost one year ago by now.
Just a heads up in case someone is interested or can help:
I plan to be in Kiev between 27 and 1st this time and spend NYE with a (hopefully) hot Ukrainian girl. I will land, check-in, refresh, ping stock contacts for a meet and head to Rio, then to Shooters and other clubs. Sorry to probably spoil the prices a bit, but my time is constrained so that I am prepared to offer 500usd per day (I know it's kind of uncool, but I have to sleep really during nighttime, hate to mess up my day rhythm up to a level where I really don't care about consuming any sex services). I look for a very specific kind of girl, unfortunately this renders about 80% of beauties worthless to me and costs me research time and effort. The girl will have to accept money for sex, be younger than 24, busty, curvy, have long hair of a color other than black, have very passive attitude, be able to do oral for half-hour with eyes closed, be prepared to swallow cum and allow anal massages. That's all, no vaginal sex and no anal sex either. I just don't purchase these types of services. I do have further preferences, but they are not mandatory, whereas the above mentioned once are. If one points doesn't match. This is not my girl, I stop spending time & money on her as immediately as decency allows.
I do apply the same set of requirements as mentioned above to my place of living and work. Germany, but I put additional value on Ukrainian girls specifically and that's why I visit Ukraine when I get the chance. Also, this specific and rather rare set of requirements, unfortunately, puts me in a situation where I have to put a lot of effort into research and clarification with with girl be it while chat or during the first sex session. This also makes me tend toward professional girls, because my requirements there either clear already or can be discussed more openly than with non-pros. This also makes me tend to stick to one girl for longer periods of time, when I found my match.
Background:
I'm mixed German and Russian, live in Frankfurt 200m away from the famous FKK-Palace (actually, I type this very post from within the Palace) and spent 3 months in Kiev in 2005 where I became addicted to Ukrainian girls. I did an extensive research with means and time that were on my hands to find the best source for my type of girl (best meaning highest value for money). I find that FKK-Clubs in Germany are, as to my current knowledge, the optimal source for my type of girl, the only quality they rarely deliver is the "Ukrainian". (For the FKK-insiders: I know there are Ukrainiangirls at Palace, I considered them and been with them in rooms. They are either to old by now as stream of supply from Ukraine has been blocked or do not offer the complete package). So that my current option is an FKK-girl from Romania 24 years of age. I stick to her unless I find a better girl or / and source.
While researching I've been through red light districts, disco clubs, massage salons, many not-so-close FKK-clubs, internet sites, escort agencies, paying girl-agents (who insist they are not pimps at all) for relaying me the right contact. In the end, weighing the cost against risk and value, FKK-clubs are the best source for me so far (Brazilian termas seem like a good alternative, but are too far away and I don't speak Portuguese or Spanish). The next option I'd be testing are Kiev's clubs, escort agencies (again, as last year) , massage places (learned this year that you get my type of sex services there sometimes) , online site mamba (I find online research although easy to conduct, but time consuming and not producing attractive results, to be honest, but will give it couple of chances more). All that in the time constraints given.
So if anyone wants to join or needs help in Frankfurt (anytime) or Kiev (around NYE time). Feel free to PM me (I purchased the membership on this forum to enable that (and accessing photos too of course). I speak English, German and Russian all at the same level (good but with minor mistakes) , I look Eastern European enough for locals not to ask me where I am from just because of looks, until they hear my Russian. Then they usually assume I am from some place in Russia until the chat touches upon something commonly known but recent where I usually cannot follow, then they ask where I am from that I don't know such stuff.
My ultimate goal is to find a much better source and a much better girl than that I currently have access to. Depending on her situation and my financials, I am prepared to pay for her visa (I know it's difficult, but I think, with relentless perseverance, doable) , travel and a separate accommodation in Frankfurt, just to have her next to my place of work and living. This of course will require research, time, skill and funds, but I'll keep on in for as long as I can until my death or loss of erectile function.
If anyone can help with advice or action. I'd really appreciate it and also am prepared to reimburse the efforts financially if need be.
Sorry if the post has gotten too long or is too off-topic. I will balance it with an outcome-report after the research attempt over NYE. Anyway, the context of it is known now beforehand.
If anyone wants to have a specific point tested or clarified in Kiev. Let me know. I'll give my best to try to align it with my agenda.
Happy hunting everyone!
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Mamba and other options
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1363895]Sponsor74, I never used Mamba. Ru expecting to find a real girl there. From the beginning of my first use of that website several years ago, I became convinced that most of the profiles were fake pictures. My searches were for girls engaged in pay for play (P4P) where use of fake pictures is certainly the norm.
There is a certain business logic involved in the use of fake pictures by an agency or girl apartment, or even an independent individual girl, offering p4p. The objective of such a girl or agency is the same as any business advertising, which is: to lure you to make the call to them! That is the first step in the business objective that they have. It is the equivalent of the door to door salesman getting his proverbial foot into your door; that coveted first moment of anyone selling anything, to get you to look or to listen. So of course the sexiest and most attractive picture will grab your eye better and will be used by such girls or agencies in their advertising. And everything will be promised to you and said to you when you call that will be calculated to convince you to go to the next step, and agree to let the girl come to your door. Once that is achieved, they have their foot in your door, and you are easy prey. You are not an objective educated consumer. Instead you are a most vulnerable horny man, whose own libido has been working you over since you made the call to the hot, sexy escort, raising your excitement and internal sexual furnace to the highest zones of intensity. And it is you, in this truly pathetic state of arousal, that the escort girl will need to confront when she arrives at your door. Yes, of course she is not the girl in the photos! And perhaps she doesn't really speak English, more than a few words. But, she has a vagina! And pathetic you really, really wants to fuck. It's the easiest sale in the world to make. It's really not too hard for any decent looking girl to seduce you when you are in such a horny state. Only a girl who is very unappealing, a real dog, a piglet, will fail to gain entrance to your apartment. Most men in a horny state of arousal will just take the girl, fake picture or not, if she looks reasonably attractive.
However, a man who has had sufficient sex already that day or the day before, and who is not so horny, but rather who is involved in a mongering trip, fucking many more women than he really needs to, as a matter of sport or entertainment, rather than libidinous need, and who is looking for a high level of beauty for his next conquest, is a different and far more difficult customer for these fake picture escort agencies or girls to confront. The sated monger is not the typical very horny male calling an escort because he needs a sexual release, and will stand there at the door, pathetically at the mercy of sexual urges, that are the allies of the escort girl standing there at his door, looking nothing like the picture he saw (a thought somewhere in the back of his mind, all but lost in the sexual stimulation the girl at the door is trying to throw at him). No. The sated monger, is a connoisseur of sex, looking not so much for sexual release, as much as for sexual achievement on the highest level. He wants to enjoy the beauty he saw depicted in the photos on the website, and has no desire to waste his seed on an average, or even above average looking girl. So the fake picture escort at the door will likely get the boot by the monger, unless he is just beginning his mongering trip, and is horny enough like a regular guy, and wants to get the "edge" off, even with a cheap fuck of an average looking girl.
The sated monger, a connoisseur of sex, is not the usual horny vulnerable customer these fake picture escort agencies typically deal with. He is a much more educated consumer, and far more objective and selective in his choice of p4p pussy. And the advice given for the mongers on this thread is: if the girl does not measure up to expectations, simply send her away. Conversely, if she is hot enough to light your fire, then keep and enjoy her regardless of the fake picture.
The prevalent use of fake pictures is not a reason to not meet with girls from mamba. Ru, or top-modals. Com or any of the other Internet websites for escorts in Kiev advertising low rates of 800 UAH or a little more or less. On the contrary, if one wants to get cheap pussy in Kiev, all these websites are the primary method to get such low cost girls over to your apartment. So if the picture turns out to be fake, as it usually does, all it means is that for these types of girls, your shopping really only begins when the girl arrives and you can see what she is actually selling. Therefore, when making the initial calls to the agency or mamba girl to set up the date and summon the girl to your apartment, you are merely rolling the dice, and taking a gamble on what will show up at your door. It is a numbers game. You need to keep doing it enough times for there to be a statistical likelihood of a good looking girl showing up at your door. But if you keep doing it enough times, and sending away those who don't measure up, eventually you will have a girl who is attractive enough, or maybe even very attractive, show up at your door. That is the reported experience of the members writing on this thread. There are a lot of hot young girls engaged in p4p activities in Kiev, and to meet them you have to roll the dice enough times. It's as simple as that. The problem of the fake pictures exists, but is to be surmounted in the above fashion. It's like having blind dates. Same thing. Often the girl is not what you're looking for. But sometimes she is. However, there are some factors working in your favor. In Kiev the population pool from which the p4p girls are drawn, contains a statistically high percentage of girls who are skinny. Obesity is not yet the problem in Ukraine among young women in their teens and early twenties, that it is in the West. Also, The Eastern European genetic pool contains the ingredients that produces those amazing female body shapes with the narrow waists and wide shapely hips and nicely curved derrières that we have all come to appreciate, admire and lust for. As a consequence there are many skinny girls with good bodies that are plying the p4p trade, with the facial features and level of actual beauty being the largest chance factor. So there is actually a fairly good probability, given the population pool in Kiev, that a hot, young girl with a skinny, sexy body and nice enough face, will show up at your door, if you give it enough chances.
So fuck the fake picture problem. Just continue to use mamba. Ru and you will likely have as much fun as those who have reported on this thread previously.
If you are one of those guys who does not want to waste time rolling the dice and meeting with girls that you don't know what they look like in advance, then you are like me, and ample advice on how and where to meet girls in Kiev that you can see in person before choosing them, has been given in this thread. Go to the recommended night clubs and figure out which girls are p4p and meet them there. Go to the strip clubs and take them out from there. Go to girl apartments and select them there. Go into the shopping malls and walk the streets, if you're interested in regular dating, and start up with them there, and everywhere. In all these places, you can see the girls before choosing. In the strip clubs you can even see them naked, and touch their bodies in a private dance, before choosing. But these options are more expensive. So if you want cheaper sex of $100 or less per hour, you need to get past the fixation on true pictures, and simply deal with the fake picture Internet p4p scene that exists in Kiev. That's the bottom line. Gia is the only true pic Internet escort agency reported on here, but it is a more expensive option.
If you are looking for regular dating, not P4P, on the Internet sites such as mamba. Ru, here is an interesting observation. Some members looking for regular girls and freebie dating have insisted in their reports on this thread that most of the girls they met with from mamba. Ru had used true pictures. I am not in a position to dispute them because I was only interested in finding p4p girls who would have sex at the first meeting and get right down to it, since I had no time in a short weekend visit to Kiev to wine and dine and maybe seduce a regular girl, and therefore no interest in pursuing regular girls on mamba. Ru. But assuming that what they wrote is factual, it makes sense. A regular girl who wants to date, knows that lying to you will spell doom to the relationship. And that goes for much smaller things than what she looks like too. So it's less likely that a regular girl would use fake pics.
By contrast, p4p girls or agencies, are trying desperately to get you to call them and invite them to your apartment in order to get your money, so if a fake pic is helpful to get you to call, of course they will use it, and will hope that your horniness will help them overcome your objections when they get to your door and the sham is revealed, but a sexy girl is standing in front of you, ready for sex. And furthermore, since they are advertising for p4p, of course they prefer not to associate their actual faces with the ads, as they have families and a future life to think of.
So p4p, are likely fake pics. But regular girls are likely real pics.
LJ[/QUOTE]Hello and thanks for your valuable answer.
Yes agree with you p4p is hard work and time consuming. I travel often to Ukraine and still see good chances for mongering and this due to the economic situation which in my opinion will ne not better for the local women in the next years.
Yes I use the malls or main streets for searching the non-pro 100% and looking for some extra money (student type or with bad salaries).
Mamba was in the past a good option for these non pro but in the last years too much professional agencies or non real girls. In previous years, after hard work I found some good options. Today almost no chance. Furthermore the Mamba owner is now more selective and less user friendly for sure trying to make more money. Our sport is for sure a good business and Mamba and other providers look to this forum too, I hope they will bring soon a new site.
Mamba is deleting some profiles (my too) if I use copy & paste: they think I am a Robot.
Vkontakte is also an option but in my opinion is more social network= facebook therefore not clear who is p4p.
I will create more profiles in Mamba but I am missing my contact list and history of my chats.
If other experts in this Forum have other suggestions for sure are welcome
Escort agencies are not my favorite, risk more or less the same but with high prices
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Prosal and Klinkstan
[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1363811][url]http://blogbaladi.com/ukrainian-woman-strips-at-beirut-airport-to-protest-smoking-ban/.[/url]
UA Girls Love to Strip, even at a Middle Eastern Airport. .
Would love to see this Lebanese Model, Singer, Stripping as well. Watch (Miriam) on here.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaraWc_rmb0.[/url]
No wonder General David Petraeus and Genenral Allen fell for a Lebanese American Woman, Jill Kahwam Kelly.
Prosal, is the one 2 score with Lebanese Girls.[/QUOTE]No language barriers 4 him with them
Look at the Video for (Myriam) it says "Kingdom of Kilnkstan ".
She must have had (Prosal) on her mind when she did the video.
Lebanese (Myriam) looks a bit Ukrainian. She is just my type.
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Any information?
Does anyone have any experience from this site: [url]http://escort-models.com/en-index.html?[/url] It seems to be a site that advertises independents of sorts, but I am a little leery of the photos- they all seem too professional.
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I am pretty busy and I didn't read everything in last posts, but it seems you overestimate the pussy, because there is no real sex without all three holes mouth-pussy-ass, therefore it doesn't make any sense when a man or a woman talks about sex and he / she refers to pussy only, because pussy only is not sex, moreover most girls don't know to tighten the muscles of the vagina, therefore to fuck a pussy is above-all a mental exercise. Dealing with women and prostitutes and they offer pussy only, this is a very good reason to kick them away, and who don't know this very good reason then he shouldn't approach girls and stay with mummy. I repeat ever and ever all prostitutes in the world have oral, vaginal, anal sex without condom, and they are profiting of people's kindness.
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Mambasex dot ru is a rip-off
[QUOTE=AlbertaGuy; 1358349]Log in with FB. OR. Create a profile on VK dot com. You can get the text from VK. Then log in with that. Google Chrome automatically translates so it's easy to integrate. I highly recommend VK. VK also has a great collection of real girls, but takes some effort to build a friends list as you max out on daily requests. But the groups are outstanding, as there is no censorship on it like FB. It's filled with porn. I've built a great friends list of gorgeous women in Kiev from the various sex groups and pages, by searching through group members. Some kinky sukas. Have also found girls from AnastasiaDate on VK by searching their birthday (which is right maybe 1 in 5) , Anastasia is a total scam by the way. But having a profile gives you access to their profiles so you can get names and birthdays. Mamba is a whole other game. Mambasex dot ru is where most workers and nymphos are, and they likely have their relationship profile on Mamba. I leave for Kiev in 3 weeks so have been working these three sites and getting phone numbers. Have a good set of women to get me started, and expect I can follow the advice of this board for D'Lux and Shooters. I avoided contact with girls outside of Kiev as that is where we are staying for our whole trip (my pal and me). But Odessa is definitely on the list, as it seems many hot girls move off the shitty farm and head to the beach for dick and money. Next time. 3 weeks in Kiev, and have about 20 gorgeous women that want to meet my friend and I when we arrive. Have three picking us up at the airport! VKontakte and Mamba and mambasex are all filled with options. Can't wait to get over there.
On another note. 8.25UAH=1CAD. I'm pleased that my $3K in spending cash gets me almost 25, 000 UAH. The best exchange for Canada and the US in the history of the currency. Baller for cheap. $3K in Vegas gets you 2 maybe 3 days. $25K in Vegas gets you quite a bit further. It may not stay that way as the global economy recovers, so I foresee a few more trips in coming years. If all goes according to plan. A friend I know in Fort McMurray just bought a 2 BR condo in Odessa, with a hot tub, view of the Black Sea, for $27, 000. Unreal.[/QUOTE]Since the report above is in the Reports of Distinctions now I should share my experience with mambasex site mentioned there to warn everybody against using this site. Having been in Kiev, I tried to register there. After filling an usual personal data form I was asked to send an SMS to confirm that I'm a real user, not a robot. Quite a normal thing (the same as on mamba ru) , but there wasn't any mentioning about would it be free or how much would it cost. Although I had started to suspect a fraud I decided to send an SMS anyway. Which I did using my Ukrainian MTS number. Well, as result I was charged 50 UAH (6. 5 USD) and had got a stupid reply "Are you 18th or more years old? Please, answer "yes" by sending SMS to this number". I didn't follow the game, so I can't say how much would it have cost for me totally to register and would the site worth it. But for me it's obvious that Ukrainian girls would never pay 6. 5 x 2 or more USD just to register on a web site.
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Mambasex?
[QUOTE=Jose Cuervo;1364205]Since the report above is in the Reports of Distinctions now I should share my experience with mambasex site mentioned there to warn everybody against using this site. Having been in Kiev, I tried to register there. After filling an usual personal data form I was asked to send an SMS to confirm that I'm a real user, not a robot. Quite a normal thing (the same as on mamba ru) , but there wasn't any mentioning about would it be free or how much would it cost. Although I had started to suspect a fraud I decided to send an SMS anyway. Which I did using my Ukrainian MTS number. Well, as result I was charged 50 UAH (6. 5 USD) and had got a stupid reply "Are you 18th or more years old? Please, answer "yes" by sending SMS to this number". I didn't follow the game, so I can't say how much would it have cost for me totally to register and would the site worth it. But for me it's obvious that Ukrainian girls would never pay 6. 5 x 2 or more USD just to register on a web site.[/QUOTE]This site seems to be not working now and bad references. I guess is not an option to replace Mamba. I am still searching for other options. Maybe there is a chance for IT people or others to create a new site more competitive than Mamba
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Role Call
Ok Fellas, time for a Role Call.
If you're on patrol in Kiev, sound off like you got a pair!
Private Polo79, present and accounted for! On patrol in a target rich environment!
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kU0XCVey_U[/url]
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[QUOTE=Prosal;1363129]a date recently with a Russian MILF (36 yo).[/QUOTE]Mojitos and sushi. Russians still following trends from 20-years ago. An exemple of an added value travel, post entertaining and well-written report and story, imaginary or otherwise!
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Streetwalkers
i have seen a few posts on streetwalkers on here over the last couple of years. in particular a couple have mentioned mcdonalds as a place to find them. because i like the seedy side of things on occasion, i was wondering if someone could provide a little more detail.
in most countries i have been to streetwalkers are pretty obvious because of clothes and actions. is this the case in kiev? or do the streetwalkers blend in with the regular girls? are they present in the winter or only during the warmer months? are there some gems (young and attractive) among them? finally, is there a concern for **** girls on the street as i have seen elsewhere (especially vietnam, philippines and thailand)?
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[QUOTE=Golfinho;1364522]Mojitos and sushi. Russians still following trends from 20-years ago. An exemple of an added value travel, post entertaining and well-written report and story, imaginary or otherwise![/QUOTE]Occasional "success" stories do tell more about the Slavic woman's psyche and are more valuable to some of us than the nth report about a nasty strip club. As for mojitos, in my experience most Russian girls prefer them to "strong" cocktails like Black Russians or Caipirinhas. That said, I have had also boozed nights out with girls who drank only Martinis, or, in Paris, only wine. It's all a question of mood I guess. If the girl does not want to get drunk too quickly, she'll choose long-drink cocktails, but if she decides that she want to get drunk fast, she'll opt for stronger drinks, and even for for straight alcohol sometimes.
As for "imaginery" stories, I have met, be it in Paris on during travels, more than a few good members of this board (and among them some "icons") , and although I may be a jerk when I'm drunk, I believe that they have found me to be unassuming, personable, helpfull and skilled comrade. In one word, I am a "real" person, not an anonymous and mythomaniac braggart who posts solely either about his alleged trips or either polemical BS as you do.
[QUOTE=Zippy; 438893]I would echo what Prosal and Felix have said. Chisinau is not a P4P destination as most mongers know it. Talking with taxi drivers and the couple of mediocre pros I found, the Police have clamped down and most pros are afraid. Most hard-core mongers that I know would be very frustrated with the lack of options in Chisinau.
Now it is true that the non-pros are plentiful. HOWEVER, I would not say it is easy to pick up the hot ones unless you have the looks and skills of a Prosal, who absolutely had girls THROWING themselves at him. I'm not kidding, by the way and Prosal is very modest. I don't get impressed easily having mongered on 4 continents and having had pretty good success with non-pros along the way. And I've hung out with some pretty skilled individuals with chicas, but noone compared to this guy. It was a pleasure to watch him work his magic in discos like City, Nostalgia, Military, Deja-Vu, Star Track, and a few others. Quite simply, the guy picked up more tail than a toilet seat! We had a fun time partying, didn't we, Prosal? That is one thing about Chisinau which surprised me- the club and bar scene are pretty darn good!
You should have seen the big-titted 18 year old who Prosal met at City one night. He introduced me to her the next day and better tits I have NOT seen in my life (and I've seen some pretty nice tetas in my life). Anything happen with her your last night, Prosal?
I was only there a week and it just wasn't long enough to have a decent trip- A month would be ideal in my opinion. With every girl I spoke, the first question (if they could speak some English) was "Why are you in Chisinau?" If you don't have a "legitimate" answer like,"I'm here on business", from my experience, they will blow you off. Answers like "tourist" or "want to see a different culture" will NOT work for you. They will assume (correctly so) that you are here to fuck girls. Period. The girls are NOT stupid and they know the deal.
Thanks to Essi for hooking me up with a decent working girl, introducing me to the sauna scene, and generally helping out Prosal and I. You really need an insider like Essi or you're risking a pretty shitty vacation, in my opinion. But as always, you mileage may vary.[/QUOTE]
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Streetwalkers
[quote=yummypl; 1364617]i have seen a few posts on streetwalkers on here over the last couple of years. in particular a couple have mentioned mcdonalds as a place to find them. because i like the seedy side of things on occasion, i was wondering if someone could provide a little more detail.
in most countries i have been to streetwalkers are pretty obvious because of clothes and actions. is this the case in kiev? or do the streetwalkers blend in with the regular girls? are they present in the winter or only during the warmer months? are there some gems (young and attractive) among them? finally, is there a concern for **** girls on the street as i have seen elsewhere (especially vietnam, philippines and thailand)?[/quote]yes winter is not the best time. in the past was for me mc donalds but not sure if still good place. shopping malls are for me a good option but time consuming for the negotiation. independence sq is good place too but in summer. who else has more updated information for the winter time?
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Seek arrangement
[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1363647].
I know of few buds who have used this site.
[url]http://www.seekingarrangement.com/Ukraine/[/url]
But for girls seeking arrangement in the US. The site was featured on CNN and covered by reputable Newspapers in the US and UK. It seems to be very reliable, but I don't know of anyone who actually used it to find girls in KIEv and the UA.
From memory, I think it was (Pedro Toronga) who mentioned it in this thread.
It does seem a more reliable way of Sponsoring girls.
But," Proof of The Puddiing is in The Eating ". [/QUOTE.
I tried this site but no chance because you have to pay in advance member fee and this is not for me. I want free of charge like Mamba in the previous years
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Just a question Dr O. Unless you are a regular of great standing who changed his name recently, who the fuck are you?
[QUOTE=DoctorOral;1361767]It is always nice to welcome new people and friends to Kiev, and I would like to take the opportunity to say hello and help you with the information you asked from us in the forum in order to get you started regarding the clubs and the girls. : READ THE FUCKING FORUM AND don't GO ON OUR NERVES![/QUOTE]
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You don't need a visa.
Any hotel in Kyiv is safe. Use the various hotel booking websites to read some reviews to find one you like. There are a bunch of upscale western chain hotels in Kyiv now.
Good places to pick up semi pros. DLux, Arena, Skybar.
[QUOTE=Eddie123; 1362042]Hello all,
I am an experienced traveler and monger. However, I am planning to make my first trip to Kiev sometime early this coming year. There is much valuable information on this forum. However, I would like some advice. First of all, I am an American citizen so I believe I only need a valid passport and not a visa, is this correct. I would also like to stay in a nice hotel in a safe location (preferably one that is girl friendly). Of course, I would also like any recommendations on some good places to pick up girls. I will probably try to arrange a couple of girls through an escort agency. I've seen tons of hot girls on club and agency websites. Any recommendations would be appreciated.
Also, I am concerned about safety and crime. Any concerns or issues I should be aware of. Any language barriers.
Thank you[/QUOTE]
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If you are paying a student girl over $100 a day (8 hrs? 10?) you are seriously overpaying.
If a student girl can make $1k / month after graduating uni she is doing well. You do that math.
[QUOTE=Harry Hirsch; 1354132]100$ per Day? I think it isn't possible.
Maybe ONE Girl for this 2 Weeks, thats can be work, but not with "girls hopping".
With a english posting in newspaper, normaly it doesn't work.
If you know the Ukrainien Page in internet, maybe there is something possible.
But only in Russian.
If you make a announce, make it 1week before you go there.
Making plan A B and C.
If you need more help, send PN.
I can help.[/QUOTE]
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What alternate reality Ukraine do you go to?
$100 or 8xx uah / same thing in Ukraine. It's been my experience that most girls perfer UAH to $ or e, they don't have to exchange it.
I didn't have a problem getting UAH out of ATMs 3 years ago. Never heard of anyone else having a problem either.
Seriously, where have you been going?
[QUOTE=DoctorOral; 1351998]Yummy, if you need 1 year to make up your mind, you better stay home.
100$ is the going rate for many. And $ still means a lot more in Ukraine than their own currency.
100 € is more and many, like me, will refuse to pay that up-price.
I remember 3 years ago where there was no local currency available in ATMs since everybody emtied the bank account in risk of inflation.
$ is fun. And so is finding the right girl for you. And, believe me, you will not find it if you don't travel there!
Bars and Clubs take $, but then again I would never pay anything anywhere with anything other then Grivna. Since they will fuck you over when paying with $ (I am sure you knew that part, Yummy, since they do in all countries outside the US when paying with $).
For girls, you can pay in Grivna, but also in $, since that is easier to store in a pillow, and means a hell lot to them. BTW us, better stay home, Yummy nerd.[/QUOTE]
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FSU women like strong, intelligent men who can provide well for a family.
That and my smile is why I do so well in Ukraine. .
[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1351049]Georgian men are among the most desirable potential partners for Russian women and Ukrainians alike. They are perceived as strong and family oriented.[/QUOTE]
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Nice post little Joey,
Why do the noobs keep asking what's what when you just laid it all out for them.
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1350133]Ok, TennisMan, it seems from your latest post that you have been preparing yourself correctly for Kiev mongering. Some comments:
Good luck.
LJ[/QUOTE]
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Wow, what clueless jaded wanker wrote this crap? It reads like the loser's synopsis of Kyiv.
[QUOTE=Kirch; 1348200]Here's the last post of this report I've found in the internet. YES! It's the truth and I had to laugh all the time reading it. Enjoy.
(crap deleted)
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[QUOTE=Ky Daddy; 1364202]Does anyone have any experience from this site:
[url]http://escort-models.com/en-index.html?[/url]
It seems to be a site that advertises independents of sorts, but I am a little leery of the photos- they all seem too professional.[/QUOTE]Escort-models. Com and many other escort websites for the Kiev market have been discussed a number of times within the last year or two on this thread. There are several lists in the thread of such escort websites. They have relatively cheap prices around 800 UAH ($100) /hour or even lower, and they have in common that the photos they use are of remarkably beautiful girls. Too good to be true? Unfortunately, yes. The pics are fake and bear no relation to the appearance of the girl you saw in the photos on website. If you look back into the prior reports I have written a report on specifically this agency you asked about. But as I wrote recently in another post, just because they use fake pics doesn't mean you can't use them to get cheap P4P girls to come to your door. If they don't look good enough when they arrive, just send them away with 50 UAH taxi fare (about $6. 25 USD) and ask the agency to send a few more girls, maybe you will like the next girl better. In my case, I complained to the cute blond girl who came, but was utterly too emaciatingly thin for me to keep, that I had asked for a girl who looks like the girl whose photos is on their website, and then I showed her her own agency's website and how the girl I was supposed to look like. She called on my behalf and then turned to me and said in a little while I will get a pretty girl. Ultimately, a gorgeous girl did show up. So you can use that agency and realize you're dealing with fake pics, and playing the odds of getting a hot girl by accident. Or you can refrain from using them. Your choice. Same goes for the other escort websites that exist and use fake pix.
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[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1364955]Nice post little Joey,
Why do the noobs keep asking what's what when you just laid it all out for them.[/QUOTE]Welcome back to the thread, CD. And thanks for the kind words.
Why do newbies keep asking questions, when often the answers to their questions were posted just a few days before on this very thread? Ugh! It's frustrated. I'm sure as you read forward, you will catch my post venting a little frustration on this very question, and trying to explain to newbies why it's inconsiderate to do it. But of course I realize that few newbies will ever read that post because they don't read the thread even a few days going back before posting their initial questions. I guess the.
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[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1364955]Nice post little Joey,
Why do the noobs keep asking what's what when you just laid it all out for them.[/QUOTE]Welcome back to the thread, CD. And thanks for the kind words.
Why do newbies keep asking questions, when often the answers to their questions were posted just a few days before on this very thread? Ugh! It's frustrating. I'm sure as you read forward, you will catch my post venting a little frustration on this very question, and trying to explain to newbies why it's inconsiderate to do it.
But of course I realize that few newbies will ever read that post because they don't read the thread even a few days going back before posting their initial questions.
I guess newbies get excited when they first find this thread and pop their questions before understanding the nature of the ongoing conversation here on the thread.
The only way out is to gently flame them with the encouragement of the benefits to be had by not being lazy to avoid the tedious task of reading thread going back a significant way, and spoon feeding a little to get them going. After that they usually catch on and some, in fact, turn around and start answering the questions of others even newer than themselves, after they have learned a bit from their reading or experience. So on it goes.
I guess the only real way to confront or change the phenomenon is to create that FAQ page that was discussed from time to time. I've thought about it, but didn't have the time to invest in doing it. Perhaps you're up to the challenge? Anyways, I'm sure that even if there was an FAQ page, it would still be necessary to flame newbies who failed to read it before posting a silly repetitive question, since they even now don't read the ROD thread first before posting. Only a system requirement preventing new member posts until after they certify they have read the FAQ page, could perhaps change some of the problem, but I don't know if it's possible to get the cooperation of the website administrator on such a thing.
So things will remain as they are, and veterans will continue to have to choose between answering, flaming or ignoring, or a combination thereof, into the future.
LJ
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Yep
[QUOTE=TheAlvarez1001; 1362022]
[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1356489]You mean to avoid the "Rio Strip Club"? But why exactly? I don`t understand.[/QUOTE]Or 'UGU' or 'AGA" as the locals say, meaning 'yes' Rio is a tourist trap like similar ones across the globe. If you need an explanation of what this is, then you probably deserve to pay them a visit and learn the hard way. Because you will get hard, and no relief unless self inflicted back alone in your hotel room.
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[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1365821][QUOTE=TheAlvarez1001; 1362022]Or 'UGU' or 'AGA" as the locals say, meaning 'yes' Rio is a tourist trap like similar ones across the globe. If you need an explanation of what this is, then you probably deserve to pay them a visit and learn the hard way. Because you will get hard, and no relief unless self inflicted back alone in your hotel room.[/QUOTE]Sorry. But its not really a explanation why it's a tourist trap or why to avoid them. Can you explain that in some examples?
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Has anybody tried Hotel Ukraine?
[url]http://www.ukraine-hotel.kiev.ua/en/[/url]
I think it is different from Hotel Ukraina.
Is it green? How about quality?
I know most people in this thread prefer apartments; unfortunately I need something which used the word 'hotel' in invoice. Price – location – room quality (from images only) is excellent for this hotel.
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[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1365821][QUOTE=TheAlvarez1001; 1362022]Or 'UGU' or 'AGA" as the locals say, meaning 'yes' Rio is a tourist trap like similar ones across the globe. If you need an explanation of what this is, then you probably deserve to pay them a visit and learn the hard way. Because you will get hard, and no relief unless self inflicted back alone in your hotel room.[/QUOTE]For the newbies reading Pedro's words, I don't disagree with his suggestion to pay Rio strip club a visit and see for yourself why many members on this thread, including myself, have had a good deal of fun with girls from the Rio strip club. A fair reading of the body of his prior posts on this thread, shows that Pedro's attitude simply comes from a bias he has towards a strip club atmosphere in general, and from his presumptions, without the benefit of personal knowledge, about the nature of the girls who are working at Rio strip club. No one expects to find a real girlfriend and true love at a strip club, so Pedro's harping on this doesn't seem to have any utility. The reports on this thread of members enjoying good sex with girls from Rio are too numerous for you to doubt the truth of it.
Many members enjoy a strip club atmosphere, and as to this I don't think anyone should argue with the truism: to each his own. So if you hate strip clubs world over and share Pedro's feelings, don't go. If you can enjoy watching pretty girls dance in a strip club atmosphere, don't allow guys like Pedro to intimidate you from going.
If factual information is what you seek, rather than opinion, just be aware that going to a strip club that has "take out" prices for girls of $300/3hours, as does Rio strip club, is one of the pricier options for finding p4p girls in Kiev. Although p4p girls in some nightclubs like D'lux or Buddha Bar also have similarly high prices, there are reports of lower prices in the range of $200/2hours or even lower being possible in some of the nightclubs discussed on the thread (Carribean, Shooters, Avalon, etc) , and, of course, there are girl apartments which taxi drivers can take you to, or the Internet sites (mamba. Ru, top-modals. Com and others) from which you can get lower priced girls in the range of $75 / hr or $100 / hr but you won't know what they really look like until they show up at your door.
But if you don't want to deal with the fake picture "bait and switch" hassle and time waste of the Internet websites, then the higher priced nightclub and strip club scene is where you will find hotties that you can see in advance of picking your girl.
Some members have stated that they find girls in nightclubs who are better looking than the dancers in the Rio strip club. I remember Irish Lad's rant some time back on this point. It could be. But so what? There are obviously some very good looking girls in Rio strip club available for take out. Besides Irish Lad lives in Kiev, has plenty of time on his hands to find the best girls he can, and is more interested in freebies than P4p, so he loves going to Nightclubs like Shooters, and has a great time there, but his approach may or may not be applicable for you. So by all means go to Shooters and follow his lead and try for the same results. But don't be intimidated from trying out all the options available in Kiev to find what suits your personal needs and assets best.
Some will debate whether the atmosphere of the nightclub or the strip club is more conducive to finding a good p4p date. It's a matter of personal preference, I suppose. A nightclub is certainly a more fun and free atmosphere in general, but on the other hand, in a strip club you can interact with the p4p girls better than in a nightclub. In a nightclub, a p4p working girl might give you a few moments of conversation, including any negotiation, before requiring a decision on your part. She will move on and not waste much time on you if you don't say yes, let's go. She has other prospects she needs to talk to. On the other hand in a strip club, you can sit with a girl you are contemplating taking out for as long as you want, and continue buying her drinks and talking with her and laughing with her (if you can be funny) , and getting to know her and developing a rapport with her, and there is no pressure to make your mind up about taking her out whatsoever, because the business of a strip club is not "take out" and many of it's customers just come to sit and watch the girls dance, or sit and talk with the girls at their tables. So that's the girls' job, to sit with and entertain the customers. Therefore, the strip club environment gives you much more TIME to interact with a girl, to see if there is chemistry between you and her, not to mention that you can see their actual naked bodies when they strip down to their bikinis, and you can private dance with the girls and even touch their naked bodies, and fool around with them like that, all before you have to come to any decision about asking them for "take out". In light of all these facts, it is the strip club environment that allows conditions conducive to making a better selection of a p4p working girl to take home compared to a nightclub.
Another consideration would be the caliber of the girls available for p4p in the strip club versus the nightclub. This can be debated. In my opinion, based on personal experience and observation, there appears to be continual turn over in the staff at strip clubs like Rio and new girls are continually being recruited right off the farms of rural Ukraine or the universities, and other places where young girls who need money and don't have support from family are to be found. So for the most part the girls dancing at Rio are not hardened professional dancers who have worked as strippers for many years, but rather fresh faced young girls who need a buck. Of course, the longer they stay at the job, the longer a time it has to get to them. In any event, I haven't had the experience in taking out Rio girls over the last two years, of dealing with what might be termed a hardened sex worker. Pedro has voiced his opinion previously that the girls in any strip club are hardened sex workers and couldn't be nice girls. But he has this opinion based on his experiences in other places in the world, and does not have personal experience at Rio strip club. So his opinion is not based on personal knowledge of the situation in Kiev. Other members may hold the opinion that the type of girl known as a semi-pro to be found in some nightclub, is probably a nicer type girl to have sex with in a p4p type relationship, and more potential for GFE. It may be true.
But these are all just opinions. And if you are not a mushroom that cannot move from where your ass is planted, you should man up and go try out all these situations and see for yourself what is possible. But don't be intimidated from your own investigations by someone else's opinions. And That's good advice.
LJ
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Mamba flakes for breakfast
These chicks on Mamba flake at least half the time. You set up a time with them, everything seems set and then the appointed time comes and goes. T+15 minutes you send a text and get no response. T+30 minutes you make a call and get no response. T+1 Hour the realization sets in.
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[QUOTE=Global Surfer; 1365854]Has anybody tried Hotel Ukraine?
[url]http://www.ukraine-hotel.kiev.ua/en/[/url]
I think it is different from Hotel Ukraina.
Is it green? How about quality?
I know most people in this thread prefer apartments; unfortunately I need something which used the word 'hotel' in invoice. Price – location – room quality (from images only) is excellent for this hotel.[/QUOTE]Hi GS,
The hotel location is perfect.
Rooms are quite big, nice but not very luxury with king size bed.
The only problem is if you take a girl to your room you should give a passport copy of girl to reception and 25 USD extra.
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The more accurate translation of AGA is 'agreed'.
Why is RIO a tourist trap? It's a strip club. There will be more local business men in there then tourists. What do you mean no relief? No, you can't get serviced at the club but for $300 you can take the girl back to your place.
[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1365821]
[QUOTE=TheAlvarez1001; 1362022]Or 'UGU' or 'AGA" as the locals say, meaning 'yes' Rio is a tourist trap like similar ones across the globe. If you need an explanation of what this is, then you probably deserve to pay them a visit and learn the hard way. Because you will get hard, and no relief unless self inflicted back alone in your hotel room.[/QUOTE]
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Hotel Ukraine and Hotel Ukrainia = same place.
Scary looking girls in the stripclub there.
You can get 'hotel' invoices from most apartment agencies.
[QUOTE=Global Surfer; 1365854]Has anybody tried Hotel Ukraine?
[url]http://www.ukraine-hotel.kiev.ua/en/[/url]
I think it is different from Hotel Ukraina.
Is it green? How about quality?
I know most people in this thread prefer apartments; unfortunately I need something which used the word 'hotel' in invoice. Price – location – room quality (from images only) is excellent for this hotel.[/QUOTE]
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I've never seen IL rant, except for that time we were talking about whether Boston was a hard rock or pop band.
Stripclubs are fun for sure and I spent more then my fair share of time at RIO (before it became so well known, $200. All night). RIO and River Palace made for a fun night when switching off between p4p and non p4p. IL himself went through a brief phase where he was showing up at RIO quite a bit. But if RIO is all you talk about when you go to Kyiv then you might lack the skills to be as sucessful as you would like in a nightclub, apparently even the heavily p4p ones in Kyiv.
I do miss RP for sure but Mamba has more than taken up the slack.
BTW. I will be in Kyiv from mid JAN to the end of FEB. W00t!
[QUOTE=LilJoey;1365880]Irish Lad's rant[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Cruiser D;1366090]BTW. I will be in Kyiv from mid JAN to the end of FEB. W00t![/QUOTE]Jan and Feb sounds kind of scary in Kiev with its weather. I guess plus side is you are only foreigner in town.
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Help Please. Russian
I was having this talk on VK with this girl and have no idea what she is saying at the end. Can someone help?
Dave
Что такое клуах клубах?
Nastyona
ну это вроде баров.(бар) там танцуют ,выпивают,знакомятся. там танцуют девушки для развлечения людей.там играет музыка
Dave
Wow) В основном для туристов или в основном для местных жителей?)
Nastyona
для местных
Dave
Может быть, я должен спросить, когда и где, чтобы я мог видеть вас танцевать.)) Я буду ждать, чтобы увидеть, если мы станем друзьями, прежде чем я прошу.
Nastyona
я бы конечно сказала где,но я временно без роботы
Dave
роботы?
Nastyona
да.потеряли
Dave
Не понимаю "Роботы"
Dave
Разве я сказал что-то не так?
Nastyona
нет,всё так. роботу просто потеряла
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[QUOTE=YummyPL; 1366221]I was having this talk on VK with this girl and have no idea what she is saying at the end. Can someone help?
Dave.
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Nastyona.
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Dave.
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Nastyona.
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Dave.
&1052; &1086; &1078; &1077; &1090; &1073; &1099; &1090; &1100; , &1103; &1076; &1086; &1083; &1078; &1077; &1085; &1089; &1087; &1088; &1086; &1089; &1080; &1090; &1100; , &1082; &1086; &1075; &1076; &1072; &1080; &1075; &1076; &1077; , &1095; &1090; &1086; &1073; &1099; &1103; &1084; &1086; &1075; &1074; &1080; &1076; &1077; &1090; &1100; &1074; &1072; &1089; &1090; &1072; &1085; &1094; &1077; &1074; &1072; &1090; &1100;.) &1071; &1073; &1091; &1076; &1091; &1078; &1076; &1072; &1090; &1100; , &1095; &1090; &1086; &1073; &1099; &1091; &1074; &1080; &1076; &1077; &1090; &1100; , &1077; &1089; &1083; &1080; &1084; &1099; &1089; &1090; &1072; &1085; &1077; &1084; &1076; &1088; &1091; &1079; &1100; &1103; &1084; &1080; , &1087; &1088; &1077; &1078; &1076; &1077; &1095; &1077; &1084; &1103; &1087; &1088; &1086; &1096; &1091; .
Nastyona.
&1103; &1073; &1099; &1082; &1086; &1085; &1077; &1095; &1085; &1086; &1089; &1082; &1072; &1079; &1072; &1083; &1072; &1075; &1076; &1077; , &1085; &1086; &1103; &1074; &1088; &1077; &1084; &1077; &1085; &1085; &1086; &1073; &1077; &1079; &1088; &1086; &1073; &1086; &1090; &1099;
Dave.
&1088; &1086; &1073; &1086; &1090; &1099; ?
Nastyona.
&1076; &1072; . &1087; &1086; &1090; &1077; &1088; &1103; &1083; &1080;
Dave.
&1053; &1077; &1087; &1086; &1085; &1080; &1084; &1072; &1102;"&1056; &1086; &1073; &1086; &1090; &1099;"
Dave.
&1056; &1072; &1079; &1074; &1077; &1103; &1089; &1082; &1072; &1079; &1072; &1083; &1095; &1090; &1086;.&1090; &1086; &1085; &1077; &1090; &1072; &1082; ?
Nastyona.
&1085; &1077; &1090; , &1074; &1089; &1105; &1090; &1072; &1082; . &1088; &1086; &1073; &1086; &1090; &1091; &1087; &1088; &1086; &1089; &1090; &1086; &1087; &1086; &1090; &1077; &1088; &1103; &1083; &1072; [/QUOTE]She says she lost her job.
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[QUOTE=YummyPL; 1366221]I was having this talk on VK with this girl and have no idea what she is saying at the end. Can someone help?
Dave.
&1063; &1090; &1086; &1090; &1072; &1082; &1086; &1077; &1082; &1083; &1091; &1072; &1093; &1082; &1083; &1091; &1073; &1072; &1093; ?
Nastyona.
&1085; &1091; &1101; &1090; &1086; &1074; &1088; &1086; &1076; &1077; &1073; &1072; &1088; &1086; &1074; . (&1073; &1072; &1088. &1090; &1072; &1084; &1090; &1072; &1085; &1094; &1091; &1102; &1090; , &1074; &1099; &1087; &1080; &1074; &1072; &1102; &1090; , &1079; &1085; &1072; &1082; &1086; &1084; &1103; &1090; &1089; &1103; . &1090; &1072; &1084; &1090; &1072; &1085; &1094; &1091; &1102; &1090; &1076; &1077; &1074; &1091; &1096; &1082; &1080; &1076; &1083; &1103; &1088; &1072; &1079; &1074; &1083; &1077; &1095; &1077; &1085; &1080; &1103; &1083; &1102; &1076; &1077; &1081; . &1090; &1072; &1084; &1080; &1075; &1088; &1072; &1077; &1090; &1084; &1091; &1079; &1099; &1082; &1072;
Dave.
Wow) &1042; &1086; &1089; &1085; &1086; &1074; &1085; &1086; &1084; &1076; &1083; &1103; &1090; &1091; &1088; &1080; &1089; &1090; &1086; &1074; &1080; &1083; &1080; &1074; &1086; &1089; &1085; &1086; &1074; &1085; &1086; &1084; &1076; &1083; &1103; &1084; &1077; &1089; &1090; &1085; &1099; &1093; &1078; &1080; &1090; &1077; &1083; &1077; &1081;?)
Nastyona.
&1076; &1083; &1103; &1084; &1077; &1089; &1090; &1085; &1099; &1093;
Dave.
&1052; &1086; &1078; &1077; &1090; &1073; &1099; &1090; &1100; , &1103; &1076; &1086; &1083; &1078; &1077; &1085; &1089; &1087; &1088; &1086; &1089; &1080; &1090; &1100; , &1082; &1086; &1075; &1076; &1072; &1080; &1075; &1076; &1077; , &1095; &1090; &1086; &1073; &1099; &1103; &1084; &1086; &1075; &1074; &1080; &1076; &1077; &1090; &1100; &1074; &1072; &1089; &1090; &1072; &1085; &1094; &1077; &1074; &1072; &1090; &1100;.) &1071; &1073; &1091; &1076; &1091; &1078; &1076; &1072; &1090; &1100; , &1095; &1090; &1086; &1073; &1099; &1091; &1074; &1080; &1076; &1077; &1090; &1100; , &1077; &1089; &1083; &1080; &1084; &1099; &1089; &1090; &1072; &1085; &1077; &1084; &1076; &1088; &1091; &1079; &1100; &1103; &1084; &1080; , &1087; &1088; &1077; &1078; &1076; &1077; &1095; &1077; &1084; &1103; &1087; &1088; &1086; &1096; &1091; .
Nastyona.
&1103; &1073; &1099; &1082; &1086; &1085; &1077; &1095; &1085; &1086; &1089; &1082; &1072; &1079; &1072; &1083; &1072; &1075; &1076; &1077; , &1085; &1086; &1103; &1074; &1088; &1077; &1084; &1077; &1085; &1085; &1086; &1073; &1077; &1079; &1088; &1086; &1073; &1086; &1090; &1099;
Dave.
&1088; &1086; &1073; &1086; &1090; &1099; ?
Nastyona.
&1076; &1072; . &1087; &1086; &1090; &1077; &1088; &1103; &1083; &1080;
Dave.
&1053; &1077; &1087; &1086; &1085; &1080; &1084; &1072; &1102;"&1056; &1086; &1073; &1086; &1090; &1099;"
Dave.
&1056; &1072; &1079; &1074; &1077; &1103; &1089; &1082; &1072; &1079; &1072; &1083; &1095; &1090; &1086;.&1090; &1086; &1085; &1077; &1090; &1072; &1082; ?
Nastyona.
&1085; &1077; &1090; , &1074; &1089; &1105; &1090; &1072; &1082; . &1088; &1086; &1073; &1086; &1090; &1091; &1087; &1088; &1086; &1089; &1090; &1086; &1087; &1086; &1090; &1077; &1088; &1103; &1083; &1072; [/QUOTE]She said she is unemployed right now. I guess she was hinting that she can't go to clubs because she has no money (she is unemployed).
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Ll
[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1366090]I do miss RP for sure but Mamba has more than taken up the slack.
BTW. I will be in Kyiv from mid JAN to the end of FEB. W00t![/QUOTE]I just got a promo code from [url]www.luckylovers.net[/url] For a 1 month free today for a 1 month free membership. Truly I'm finding the quality on Mamba lacking especially for the 24-30 year old GF experience type of women that wants a "relationship".
LL does seem to have a definite lack of P4P which is fine since I only use that as a backup. I was able to add 4 girls today to my Skype from the site.
Give it a try.
YP
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Computer
Dude,
She has lost her computer; in Russian they call a laptop a robot. You and I do not care what they call it as long as we score and we do not have to pay for a new laptop to get there. Got it?
Good luck!
Poker player 2.
[QUOTE=YummyPL; 1366221]I was having this talk on VK with this girl and have no idea what she is saying at the end. Can someone help?
Dave.
&1063; &1090; &1086; &1090; &1072; &1082; &1086; &1077; &1082; &1083; &1091; &1072; &1093; &1082; &1083; &1091; &1073; &1072; &1093; ?
Nastyona.
&1085; &1091; &1101; &1090; &1086; &1074; &1088; &1086; &1076; &1077; &1073; &1072; &1088; &1086; &1074; . (&1073; &1072; &1088. &1090; &1072; &1084; &1090; &1072; &1085; &1094; &1091; &1102; &1090; , &1074; &1099; &1087; &1080; &1074; &1072; &1102; &1090; , &1079; &1085; &1072; &1082; &1086; &1084; &1103; &1090; &1089; &1103; . &1090; &1072; &1084; &1090; &1072; &1085; &1094; &1091; &1102; &1090; &1076; &1077; &1074; &1091; &1096; &1082; &1080; &1076; &1083; &1103; &1088; &1072; &1079; &1074; &1083; &1077; &1095; &1077; &1085; &1080; &1103; &1083; &1102; &1076; &1077; &1081; . &1090; &1072; &1084; &1080; &1075; &1088; &1072; &1077; &1090; &1084; &1091; &1079; &1099; &1082; &1072;
Dave.
Wow) &1042; &1086; &1089; &1085; &1086; &1074; &1085; &1086; &1084; &1076; &1083; &1103; &1090; &1091; &1088; &1080; &1089; &1090; &1086; &1074; &1080; &1083; &1080; &1074; &1086; &1089; &1085; &1086; &1074; &1085; &1086; &1084; &1076; &1083; &1103; &1084; &1077; &1089; &1090; &1085; &1099; &1093; &1078; &1080; &1090; &1077; &1083; &1077; &1081;?)
Nastyona.
&1076; &1083; &1103; &1084; &1077; &1089; &1090; &1085; &1099; &1093;
Dave.
&1052; &1086; &1078; &1077; &1090; &1073; &1099; &1090; &1100; , &1103; &1076; &1086; &1083; &1078; &1077; &1085; &1089; &1087; &1088; &1086; &1089; &1080; &1090; &1100; , &1082; &1086; &1075; &1076; &1072; &1080; &1075; &1076; &1077; , &1095; &1090; &1086; &1073; &1099; &1103; &1084; &1086; &1075; &1074; &1080; &1076; &1077; &1090; &1100; &1074; &1072; &1089; &1090; &1072; &1085; &1094; &1077; &1074; &1072; &1090; &1100;.) &1071; &1073; &1091; &1076; &1091; &1078; &1076; &1072; &1090; &1100; , &1095; &1090; &1086; &1073; &1099; &1091; &1074; &1080; &1076; &1077; &1090; &1100; , &1077; &1089; &1083; &1080; &1084; &1099; &1089; &1090; &1072; &1085; &1077; &1084; &1076; &1088; &1091; &1079; &1100; &1103; &1084; &1080; , &1087; &1088; &1077; &1078; &1076; &1077; &1095; &1077; &1084; &1103; &1087; &1088; &1086; &1096; &1091; .
Nastyona.
&1103; &1073; &1099; &1082; &1086; &1085; &1077; &1095; &1085; &1086; &1089; &1082; &1072; &1079; &1072; &1083; &1072; &1075; &1076; &1077; , &1085; &1086; &1103; &1074; &1088; &1077; &1084; &1077; &1085; &1085; &1086; &1073; &1077; &1079; &1088; &1086; &1073; &1086; &1090; &1099;
Dave.
&1088; &1086; &1073; &1086; &1090; &1099; ?
Nastyona.
&1076; &1072; . &1087; &1086; &1090; &1077; &1088; &1103; &1083; &1080;
Dave.
&1053; &1077; &1087; &1086; &1085; &1080; &1084; &1072; &1102;"&1056; &1086; &1073; &1086; &1090; &1099;"
Dave.
&1056; &1072; &1079; &1074; &1077; &1103; &1089; &1082; &1072; &1079; &1072; &1083; &1095; &1090; &1086;.&1090; &1086; &1085; &1077; &1090; &1072; &1082; ?
Nastyona.
&1085; &1077; &1090; , &1074; &1089; &1105; &1090; &1072; &1082; . &1088; &1086; &1073; &1086; &1090; &1091; &1087; &1088; &1086; &1089; &1090; &1086; &1087; &1086; &1090; &1077; &1088; &1103; &1083; &1072; [/QUOTE]
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Don't look back
[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1366090]I've never seen IL rant, except for that time we were talking about whether Boston was a hard rock or pop band.
Stripclubs are fun for sure and I spent more then my fair share of time at RIO (before it became so well known, $200. All night). RIO and River Palace made for a fun night when switching off between p4p and non p4p. IL himself went through a brief phase where he was showing up at RIO quite a bit. But if RIO is all you talk about when you go to Kyiv then you might lack the skills to be as sucessful as you would like in a nightclub, apparently even the heavily p4p ones in Kyiv.
I do miss RP for sure but Mamba has more than taken up the slack.
BTW. I will be in Kyiv from mid JAN to the end of FEB. W00t![/QUOTE]Rant? Noooooooooo. The only rant I remember is from over 6 years ago when I complained about the lack of detail in the reports.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=483320&viewfull=1#post483320[/url]
To clarify, my 1st visit to Rio was in fact with Cruiser D and must say it's the only strip club I would visit. The girls are attractive and Rio is suitable for someone visiting Kiev for 1 night, has no game and is lazy. However, I feel that Kiev has so many options that it would be a pity to miss out. I know 3 of the girls working there and wouldn't pay $300 for a few hours with any of them.
I still think that proper use of Mamba is the best. Sure, there are agencies, fake profiles etc but anyone who thinks it through can eliminate much of that. Hunter Dave works it like a pro and I have met more than a dozen of his dates over the years and would rate them all highly.
As I ranted, Boston is a Rock band.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_[/url]
(band)
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Never saw anyone shill for an obscure third rate Russian dating website before. First time for everything I guess.
24-30? How about 18-24? I have about 400 phone numbers from mamba girls I haven't got around to calling / meeting yet, not to mention the 200 or so I have met. How is LL working out for you?
[QUOTE=Yellowpaul; 1366244]I just got a promo code from.
[url]www.luckylovers.net[/url]
For a 1 month free today for a 1 month free membership. Truly I'm finding the quality on Mamba lacking especially for the 24-30 year old GF experience type of women that wants a "relationship".
LL does seem to have a definite lack of P4P which is fine since I only use that as a backup. I was able to add 4 girls today to my Skype from the site.
Give it a try.
YP[/QUOTE]
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Helpless, try Google Translate.
A Russian girl on the internet, hinting / begging for money. Sounds legit to me. Send her $1k and let me know how it works out for tyou.
[QUOTE=YummyPL;1366221]I was having this talk on VK with this girl and have no idea what she is saying at the end. Can someone help?[/QUOTE]
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JAN and FEB is for the pros.
Girl - Hmm, wow, it's cold out.
Me - Yes it is. Guess the only thing to do is to go back to my place watch a movie and fuck.
Girl - Ok.
[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1366217]Jan and Feb sounds kind of scary in Kiev with its weather. I guess plus side is you are only foreigner in town.[/QUOTE]
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First time in Kiev
I have been following this section for a while and decided to make a trip there. Will be there in March for a week. Would love to get some additional advice on pick up spots.
Thanks
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More than a Feeling
I never realized you used to use GIA.
We going to RIO during my upcoming trip?
I will be in Kyiv for the Superbowl Ho Down but the real question is where can I hold it?
I really should have typed up a report the last time I was in Kyiv. Maybe if I can piece it all together I will.
[QUOTE=Irish Lad; 1366339]rant.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=483320&viewfull=1#post483320[/url]
To clarify, my 1st visit to Rio was in fact with Cruiser D and must say it's the only strip club I would visit. The girls are attractive and Rio is suitable for someone visiting Kiev for 1 night, has no game and is lazy. However, I feel that Kiev has so many options that it would be a pity to miss out. I know 3 of the girls working there and wouldn't pay $300 for a few hours with any of them.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Irish Lad;1366339]I still think that proper use of Mamba is the best. Sure, there are agencies, fake profiles etc but anyone who thinks it through can eliminate much of that. Hunter Dave works it like a pro and I have met more than a dozen of his dates over the years and would rate them all highly.[/QUOTE]The "search companies" tool (for "coffee","dinner" or "clubbing") on mamba is of good added-value. A good way of meeting girls for a little reconnoitring with a view to future fun. I used it with success in Moscow.
[url]http://love.mail.ru/placecard/?id=0&type=3&day=0&location=9908_10165_10184_0[/url]
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[QUOTE=Poker Player 2; 1366267]Dude,
She has lost her computer; in Russian they call a laptop a robot.[/QUOTE]Not at all. As the others guys have correctly translated already, she said that she had lost her job. She made a spelling error in the word "rabota" (job) , she wrote it incorrectly as "rObota". Overall meaning is a hint that she can't go out with you, because of she has no money, so I think she wants you to make it clear that you would pay.
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[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1366420]JAN and FEB is for the pros.
Girl. Hmm, wow, it's cold out.
Me. Yes it is. Guess the only thing to do is to go back to my place watch a movie and fuck.
Girl. Ok.[/QUOTE]Classic, good advice.
I enjoyed my trip to Kiev last year in Jan / Feb period. I plan to be in Kiev again for President's Birthday Weekend February 15. 18, with a one night stop in Frankfurt Feb 18. 19. Yes, it is so fucking cold in Kiev that the River entirely freezes over and people are ice skating across it, walking across it and fishing while sitting on it. Beautiful sight. It's not really that much colder than New York sometimes gets. So you'll be fine if you just bring the same Winter gear that you wear back home during a cold Winter when temperature is slightly below freezing. Last year I was warm enough wearing a shirt, sport jacket and winter coat. Layering is a good idea, since you can add or remove one layer of clothing as the weather conditions dictate. I feel a shawl to protect your neck from wind is indispensable. A good idea is also to wear shoes with a good tread on them to keep good footing when you walk on icy sidewalks, and for those occasions you are planning to wear dress shoes with a smooth sole, you can perhaps take along rubber galoshes with some tread on the bottoms to put over the dress shoes if the ground conditions require. If there is snow, it's actually better in Kiev than a place like Manhattan where every street corner is a disaster of ice, slush and water to navigate, chiefly because many intersections in downtown Kiev require going down steps to a passage underneath the street. So I really don't think cold weather should intimidate a monger from having a trip to Kiev. Since it is off season, many travel related expenses will be lower.
During my last trip to Kiev on Thanksgiving Weekend in November 2012, I focused primarily on mamba. Ru girls, only taking out Rio girls on one of my nights in Kiev. (Hey, it's hard to kick the habit entirely. LOL) At this time I have a decent list of attractive mamba girls which take up most of my visit. And I did appreciate the savings in cost by replacing Rio girls at $300 a pop, with mamba girls who asked $100 / hr. This coming February trip I will be traveling with a wingman, and intend to get to some of the nightclubs also.
I heartily agree that January and / or February are good times to visit Kiev for mongering.
LJ
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Strip club near taras shevchenka
I have been to a tiny strip place at konstanovskaya 57. It is 5-6 girls there. It is also possible to buy sex. 1 of them, Marina, is very good. Haven't tried any other. Thinking of going for new years eve, anyone that wants to go?
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To Prosal. Mamba Advise.
[QUOTE=Prosal; 1363129]Same in Paris (maybe to a lesser extent though). Mamba is one of my best ressource to find Russian girls here. An exemple among (literally) dozens of others. Got a date recently with a Russian MILF (36 yo) to whom I sent a message at 5 pm. She was on line and answered quasi immediatly. It appeared that she worked in tourism industry (she is partner in an agency for Russian vacationers) and that her office where near my place (Opera). After a little chit-chat, we agreed to meet up at the Palais Royal at 7pm. Arrives a tall, blonde, slender, haughty and excessively well-dressed woman, in one word a Russian. We go to the Hotel du Louvre's bar, where we confortably seat, begin to talk, down one, then two, then three, then four, then five and then six mojitos. Talk became more and more witty and teasing. We meshed well. No need to say that after six mojitos I felt that she totally downed her guard, and anyway we all know that when a Russian woman starts to seriously drink, it's that she wants to fuck. When I offer to go dinning in a georgian place, she answers that she is tired of restaurants (good attitude) and that it would be more enjoyable to buy a bottle of wine, some sushis, and go to my place. Which we did. I won't elaborate about what followed, except that it was, as usual with Russian women, a wild night of no-holds-barred and passionate bareback sex.
Mamba is not all about prostitutes and sponsorettes. It's a good dating tool also.[/QUOTE].
Hi Pro.
Re above. Very, Very Plausible in your case. The operative words in your post "and go to my place ".
You being from what you say (Unattached) and can take women back to your place. Job done.
Well I am here to seek your advise on what I posted, re Mamba, London, since you are the one who uses it for dating and freebies. I never used the internet for Dating purposes
Only tried it this time for a bit of fun and as I told you got many replies. Decided not to bother, time consuming and. Ages and Looks of the ones who want to hook up, were not what I look for 18/24.
A long story short, until I got the following from a 32 years (on profile ).
"
Thanks so much for your heart felt email. Any way I work as a hairdresser but am not working at this moment cause I just move to my mom's place for the Christmas. Well let me get into real detail about me. I must say am a beautiful single British woman and I also have great sense of humor. I live with my dad in () as he also had a second wife over there with my other step siblings, my step mom was very hard on me so life was not good so I had to come to live with my mom. I have been living with my mom here for a while and am willing to come back to () after Christmas. I'm seeking a serious long term relationship and more. Someone who will be responsible, respectful, honesty and truthful to start a knew life with. So how long have you been on the internet searching for the right woman and what kind of woman are you planing to spent life time with. I would be delighted to hear from you again, take care.".
I deleted some of the above, not of any relevance
Then I asked her to send me some photos, and she did.
I was like WOW looking at her Photos, just my type. That's why I re- posted that I should have "never say never ".
More emails, back and forth between us. So I asked her to send me her phone number and she did.
BTW, she is not in the UK at present, but as she said with her MOM in another country and another continent.
You are one of the experts on Dating Sites, what do you make out of this? Is this some kind of Scam.
And if its a scam? What can it be? .
I am not interested in any kind of relationship, apart from a Sexual one with benefits.
I posted back in 2009 in this thread about a young 23 yrs UA girl I fished out on mamba KIEV.
After nearly 40 emails and phone calls, I met her in KIEV.
I even posted some of our ongoing messages at the time, trying to find out wether she was a Hooker or not? . It was my first time on Mamba.
Irish Lad was the expert (correctly deciphered) the messages. His verdict " she wasn't a Hooker ".
And the rest with her is now History.
But this one on mamba, London is a mystery.
Any clues, pointers, advise?
Many thanks in advance.
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[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1366549]Any clues, pointers, advise?
Many thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]If she search someone "responsible, respectful, honest and truthful", you don't match her criterions, and nor do most of us I guess (wink). Personally, when a girl asks me to tell a bit about myself, I most often answer that I am "stupid, alcoholic and maniak" (maniak not as in the 80s horror movie, but in the Russian sense of the word, that is "horny"). Which is not far from the truth BTW. Most Russian girls enjoy this kind of humour (nonetheless some are obtuse and might write you off immediatly) , and also, with this kind of answer, they understand that it will be solely a fun and hot adventure, nothing more.
Anyways. Your girl might be legit, but she seems boring. IMO if you continue to " "relationship building" with her you will waste your time, and anyway this is bound to lead to huge disappointment for her (which is unfair) as your only goal is just one date + sex.
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[QUOTE=Prosal]and also with this kind of answer they understand that it will be a fun and hot adventure, nothing more.[/QUOTE]Ok, to be fair, better say "a fun and hot adventure with an option for more".
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[QUOTE=Husted01; 1366422]I have been following this section for a while and decided to make a trip there. Will be there in March for a week. Would love to get some additional advice on pick up spots.
Thanks[/QUOTE]Go to D'Lux, Arena, Skybar, Shooters.
Have fun.
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Mamba Scam?
[QUOTE=Prosal;1366576]Anyways. Your girl might be legit, but she seems boring. IMO if you continue to " "relationship building" with her you will waste your time, and anyway this is bound to lead to huge disappointment for her (which is unfair) as your only goal is just one date + sex.[/QUOTE].
Just in the interest of research and as a guide for newbies getting on mamba, here is the latest email I got from Mamba Girl.
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"Good evening sweedy,
It was very nice to hear your voice on phone today. That was very wonderful, yeah that was me as well, honesty I was a bit confuse when I saw you calling my Dear. I was like wow cause I was expacting your call in the evening as you did yesterday my Dear. But all the same I was very happy to hear your voice and am very thankful. You ask if I have been married before with kids, Well I have never been married before and I don't have a child, Maybe some day I think.
I value Gods presence in my life very much. Life is too short for games and drama, I am a fun loving Christian woman who takes each day as a gift from God. I'm a kind, thoughtful, sincere, respectful person with moral virtues and Christian values. I'm a happy person, OK with being me, but it would be nice to find that special person to love, cherish, and complete me. Are you will willing?
I enjoy many things, one is singing, which I do regularly; lead member in a Praise Team and Gospel Choir. I Like Long walks admiring nature brings me much joy, God is awesome! I love to be romanced by soft music, candlelight. I will appreciate what a good man brings into my life would be divine. I enjoy playing cards, board games, attending the theater or just kicking back relaxing at home watching my favorite movies, dining out, or at home cooking my favorite meal.
Family is important to me I'm one of life's nurturers. I'm also loyal, compassionate, dependable, dedicated, analytical, and light hearted. I will like you to tell me what you have in mind about me in order to know where am going and where am coming from. Stay safe.
With love,".
As you can see she,"A Fun Loving Christian Woman " does a lot of "God " in her reply to me being (! 00% Agnostic ).
Ok, that shouldn't be an obstacle in my goal of getting into her knickers (With Gods Help) , if her Photos match her.
Replied to the above (Yes, I am willing) , under the influence of some Of the (Fucking Wine that France exports to the rest of the world ). Waiting for her next reply or move.
As I said, she is now in Another country in another Continent. If she replies that she wants to come back to the UK (She says she is British) and can't afford the Air Fare and wants some money first to be wired to her? Then this is the Fucking Scam.
If not, then I will go along with this script until such time when I meet her in the UK. See what happens?
I had the same Suspicion when I first got on Mamba, Ukraine. The girl was from Donetsk whom I managed to convince to meet me in Kiev. Like I posted after many emails and calls, she said yes.
Then I thought she wanted some money upfront to cover her expenses, but she didn't.
See what happens with this one. At present there are some (jigsaws in my mind) about her.
Will keep you updated.
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JoJo,
You are dealing with a variation of a Nigerian scammer.
This is bottom of the barrel internet scammer crap, try to stop being a complete tool.
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Patience
[QUOTE=LilJoey;1362689]To the new members who began posting recently by posting simplistic questions like, which hotel is girl friendly or where to pick up girls, please realize that doing this frustrates the veteran members who have already posted the answers to these very questions previously on this Kiev thread. It demonstrates that you have not sufficiently read this thread, because if you had done so, you would already have gotten the answers to these types of questions. Why do veteran members get frustrated by this oft repeated newbie behavior? Because they want to help the newbie members, and because of this they have previously already invested the time and effort to compose reports on this thread containing all the good information that newbies might need, and then they see that the newbies don't bother to read what they have written. Instead, some newbies post the same basic questions again and again.[/QUOTE]I must point out that I both agree and disagree with you. One should read the forum before posting new question, that is a very basic and important point. But also keep in mind please that this thread has more than 11. 000 entries and dates back to 2002. In this world, things change. From one year to another the scene may look different, clubs change owners, new girls arrive, others disappear from the market and politics will influence it all. I see no harm in asking questions again that was answered long time ago.
Also, we must ask ourselves, who is this forum for? Can newbies enter it? Or is it exclusively for a small group of "veteran members" that get annoyed as soon as there are people with just basic experience asking about things? Also, why do (veteran) people get annoyed in the first place, only by people asking questions? I really wonder why. In a public forum, you can chose to not answer it and just read the next post. And if that is the case, wouldn't it be more appropriate to have an own private forum on another site for these people who can't stand newbies? After all, this is public and there should be a mix of discussions here. Both for veterans and for new members who are getting to know the scene.
Also keep in mind that there are many "veterans" out there who are new to just this thread. Who are travelling first time to Kyiv, but has contributed extensively to the forum in other threads. It is impossible to keep up to date what is happening everywhere. So I would like to see more patience. If you don't like a question, there is nothing who forces you to answer it. I rather just leave it there than to spam the forum with "RTFF" posts. That, if anything, is annoying and arrogant.
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Mamba, Mumbo, Jumbo.
[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1367223]JoJo,
You are dealing with a variation of a Nigerian scammer.
This is bottom of the barrel internet scammer crap, try to stop being a complete tool.[/QUOTE]CD. Welcome back to the thread (OLD Prick ). Yeah, time to put some life into this thread.
Actually I am enjoying this Bush talk with (Her, Him) in the Mumbo, Jumbo emails I am getting.
Like this part.
" You have opened up new and exciting doors for us that I can't wait to explore with you. When I feel your touch, my heart melts and my soul is set on fire with desire to hold you and kiss you. You have become my very best friend and my lover. So, make no mistake, Dear, this is love.
I love you with all my heart and soul, now and forever. Thank you for being you and wanting me.".
I asked her to send me some Photos of her on the Beach. She sent me some really sexy ones, supposedley on a Beach near (Accra, Ghana ). LOL none of the people near her or on the Beach are Black.
BTW. She says she is mixed race (British Ghanian ).
I will post her photos here soon.
I guess " New and Exciting doors she wants to explore with me " might refer to her Back Door, Great Ass in the Photos.
When I phoned her I withheld my number, told her my access number doesn't show up.
Just going with my flow to find out what does this scam involve? .
I am guessing it will involve some Money for a Ticket.
I will counter that by saying, I am willing to fly over there and Sail back with her on a nice ship all the way to the UK. The Love Ship. Ha. Ha.
Take care and Look After Your Android.
Happy New Year.
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[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1366948].
Just in the interest of research and as a guide for newbies getting on mamba, here is the latest email I got from Mamba Girl.
"Good evening sweedy,
It was very nice to hear your voice on phone today. That was very wonderful, yeah that was me as well, honesty I was a bit confuse when I saw you calling my Dear. I was like wow cause I was expacting your call in the evening as you did yesterday my Dear. But all the same I was very happy to hear your voice and am very thankful. You ask if I have been married before with kids, Well I have never been married before and I don't have a child, Maybe some day I think.
I value Gods presence in my life very much. Life is too short for games and drama, I am a fun loving Christian woman who takes each day as a gift from God. I'm a kind, thoughtful, sincere, respectful person with moral virtues and Christian values. I'm a happy person, OK with being me, but it would be nice to find that special person to love, cherish, and complete me. Are you will willing?
I enjoy many things, one is singing, which I do regularly; lead member in a Praise Team and Gospel Choir. I Like Long walks admiring nature brings me much joy, God is awesome! I love to be romanced by soft music, candlelight. I will appreciate what a good man brings into my life would be divine. I enjoy playing cards, board games, attending the theater or just kicking back relaxing at home watching my favorite movies, dining out, or at home cooking my favorite meal.
Family is important to me I'm one of life's nurturers. I'm also loyal, compassionate, dependable, dedicated, analytical, and light hearted. I will like you to tell me what you have in mind about me in order to know where am going and where am coming from. Stay safe.
With love,".
As you can see she,"A Fun Loving Christian Woman " does a lot of "God " in her reply to me being (! 00% Agnostic ).
Ok, that shouldn't be an obstacle in my goal of getting into her knickers (With Gods Help) , if her Photos match her.
Replied to the above (Yes, I am willing) , under the influence of some Of the (Fucking Wine that France exports to the rest of the world ). Waiting for her next reply or move.
As I said, she is now in Another country in another Continent. If she replies that she wants to come back to the UK (She says she is British) and can't afford the Air Fare and wants some money first to be wired to her? Then this is the Fucking Scam.
If not, then I will go along with this script until such time when I meet her in the UK. See what happens?
I had the same Suspicion when I first got on Mamba, Ukraine. The girl was from Donetsk whom I managed to convince to meet me in Kiev. Like I posted after many emails and calls, she said yes.
Then I thought she wanted some money upfront to cover her expenses, but she didn't.
See what happens with this one. At present there are some (jigsaws in my mind) about her.
Will keep you updated.[/QUOTE]Normal girl would never write in such a maner. Only a stupid desperate bich or a scammer.
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[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1366948].
I'm one of life's nurturers. I'm also loyal, compassionate, dependable, dedicated, analytical, .[/QUOTE]Interesting discussion that Jojosun has brought in. In my mind, the quote above crossed the line for me and I would sort this to be a scam, it resembles many letters in circulation. And after some more time consuming conversation she will start the "abzocka" and ask for money. Also, if she is honest, I don't know if I had the heart to be the disappointment of her life. But then, on the other side, maybe she needs the deception for a while. Interesting it is.
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[QUOTE=Roll Buzz;1367315]Interesting discussion that Jojosun has brought in. In my mind, the quote above crossed the line for me and I would sort this to be a scam, it resembles many letters in circulation.[/QUOTE]Apparently, Jojo called her (she says "thanks for your call") , so it is not a scam.
Talking about calls, I find it a good thing, I always call the girls I mesh well with on internet. It first shows that you are not a anonymous and stingy guy, and also it allows to charm her a bit with a short but witty conversation, provided you can take your best G. Clooney voice. Personally I accentuate my french accent, girls love it.
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[QUOTE=Prosal;1367350]Apparently, Jojo called her (she says "thanks for your call") , so it is not a scam.[/QUOTE]Why would you say that it is not a scam because JoJo called her? If you google the words scam and Ukraine, you easily can locate true stories of guys caught up in long cons. Also, very few native English speakers have the ability to write such prose and yet we are to believe it comes from a Ukrainian.
It is my experience that when I chat on Mamba VK, I use the simplest of English vocabulary so that I do not confuse. If I cross paths with advanced English, I assume that it is not real.
Happy New Year to all my ISG friends!
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Read What I Wrote More Carefully
[QUOTE=Roevskalle; 1367258]I must point out that I both agree and disagree with you. One should read the forum before posting new question, that is a very basic and important point. But also keep in mind please that this thread has more than 11. 000 entries and dates back to 2002. In this world, things change. From one year to another the scene may look different, clubs change owners, new girls arrive, others disappear from the market and politics will influence it all. I see no harm in asking questions again that was answered long time ago.
Also, we must ask ourselves, who is this forum for? Can newbies enter it? Or is it exclusively for a small group of "veteran members" that get annoyed as soon as there are people with just basic experience asking about things? Also, why do (veteran) people get annoyed in the first place, only by people asking questions? I really wonder why. In a public forum, you can chose to not answer it and just read the next post. And if that is the case, wouldn't it be more appropriate to have an own private forum on another site for these people who can't stand newbies? After all, this is public and there should be a mix of discussions here. Both for veterans and for new members who are getting to know the scene.
Also keep in mind that there are many "veterans" out there who are new to just this thread. Who are travelling first time to Kyiv, but has contributed extensively to the forum in other threads. It is impossible to keep up to date what is happening everywhere. So I would like to see more patience. If you don't like a question, there is nothing who forces you to answer it. I rather just leave it there than to spam the forum with "RTFF" posts. That, if anything, is annoying and arrogant.[/QUOTE]Dear Roevskalle,
Unfortunately, you seem to have not understood what was written, since what you write is non-responsive. I will explain to you, according to your "points".
(1) it was never suggested that newbies must read this thread going back to 2002 before posting a question. You have twisted what was recommended into your own "paper tiger" so that you can more easily argue against it. Fallacious and unnecessary argumentation.
What in fact I recommended is that newbies, before posting a simplistic question that common sense should tell them must have been discussed before RECENTLY on the thread, take a bit of time to read the thread conscientiously going back a reasonable amount of time depending on circumstances, especially when they have several months before a trip, or a trip to Kiev is yet unscheduled. How much reading of the thread is reasonable depends on the circumstances and the amount of time one has before a scheduled trip, and is therefore variable depending on the situation.
Your position that newbies shouldn't bother to be considerate and try to know the conversation here on the thread before joining it in a relevant way, is the problem.
Don't forget. I have been there too. As a newbie, I mean. And what I thought is reasonable behavior for myself to do, is what I would hope other reasonable and considerate people wanting to converse would do. My method was that with respect to any new mongering location I intended to visit, I attempted to get a handle on the situation there by reading the last half a year of reports on that location's thread. As I read through all the stuff posted, I came across posts which contained specific information that I knew I could find useful in visiting that locale for mongering, and I copy / pasted the portion of the post containing the information I considered relevant into my own summary document. I intended to later organize and review my summary document so as to be able to refer to it and use the information provided at the appropriate time, as the case may be, as for example, info on which hotels were "girl friendly" to be used when making my hotel or apartment reservations for my trip. If a half year of reading the thread did not yield enough solid info, I read further back and read the last year of that thread. My assumption was that the vacation and travel cycle would complete itself within one year and most common situations would have been discussed by someone during that one year time span. I read the last one year of the thread because it was obviously going to be the most relevant in terms of the possibility of changing conditions and older information on the thread sometimes becoming obsolete.
I felt it self-evident then when I was a newbie, as I do now, that reading of a half year or a year back on any thread, should certainly allow one to come across one or more evolutions of the perennially relevant questions of where to find good pussy in each locale, how much it should cost, and where best to stay while mongering there. So my opinion that this approach should be taken by others is based on logic and experience. To the extent you agree with this reasonable approach, well and good. To the extent you disagree with something that was never said or written by me, I leave you to pursue your needless argumentation in the fantasy land of your own creation.
(2) your second paragraph about veterans who "can't stand newbies" and get upset with newbies who merely post questions, and want a forum just for their own small group of veterans, and. Achhhh! I can't even bring myself to write out the rest of the silliness you wrote even for the sake of refutation.
Suffice it to say that, of course, this is a forum, that while not actually a public forum, since membership is required, is a forum for all members to express themselves with equality. Your attempts to imply anything was written that disagrees with this is an even more crass example of the type of fallacious argumentation that appears to be your chosen style.
Every newbie is wanted and is welcome to participate and join the party. What is unwelcome and annoying is boorish behavior at this party, just as at any other. And it is boorish and inconsiderate behavior to join a discussion of adult men, and ask silly questions that you could know the answer to if you read the thread even a few pages back, before posting something that contributes nothing, and calls upon those participating in the thread to write information over again just for you, that they just wrote recently before. It's simple consideration that is being asked for. And it is a reasonable expectation for etiquette of newbies who want to join the discussion.
You are obviously one of those people who has not read this thread. If you had bothered to read this thread, you would have seen the mountain of reports and responses I have posted responding with patience to questions of newbies, and compiling information and writing reports just for the sake of being helpful to newbies just coming to appreciate the exciting mongering destination Kiev is. I have been offering this guidance to newbies over the last two years since I began posting, and have even taken flak for it from the veterans who get irritated by the repetition of the same basic information. So you have chosen to lecture the wrong member about patience and helpfulness towards newbies. Hell, if anything, I should be nominated for being the posterboy of patiently writing reports to benefit newbies and answer their questions. I myself am a quasi-newbie having been coming to Kiev since 2009, while there are veterans who have been coming to Kiev for many more years than that.
But at the same time, I also want to sometimes educate newbies to the best way to benefit from the thread on Kiev and the forum in general, which is to READ it, and so I ocassionally chide a new member about the laziness in not reading the thread, and the benefits of doing so. Sometimes at the same time I provide a detailed answer, not so much for that newbie, but for all the newbies who may be reading the thread, and would benefit from a comprehensive answer. My hope is that they realize that the thread is full of such detailed answers to all sorts of questions, and they hurt only themselves by being too lazy to read the thread. And sometimes I just let a silly question pass without any response. It depends on how much time I have and how I feel at the moment. I figure that if a newbie who hasn't read the thread sufficiently posts a very basic question and gets no response, he will either give up on Kiev and be a loser for it, or he'll stop being lazy and hunker down and start doing his homework. And sometimes others will provide an answer, oftentimes members who but a short while before we're asking newbie questions. So that is a good thing. My only goal in the post to which you responded, was to open the eyes of some newbies to why they owe the courtesy of reading the thread before posting questions, and to explain why they should have realized that it is somewhat inconsiderate behavior to post a question just answered.
What you should have taken away from my words in the previous post is that the veterans who post reports on this thread with good and usable information, do so because they WANT to help the newbies have a good time in Kiev and have the information needed to do so. And that, that desire on the part of the veterans to be helpful to newbies, is being abused by that minority of newbies who don't bother to read what was written, and ask for it to be written again.
What you concocted about veterans "can't stand newbies" and want their own private little forum, shows the disappointing place your mind is coming from. It has no basis in anything I wrote or feel. Veterans on the whole, have always been very helpful in answering newbies on the Kiev thread. That is a fact. You are apparently ignorant of those facts. I hope you will read this thread and become more knowledgeable. You seem to be an intelligent person. Imagine how good a post you could write if it were based on facts and knowledge, rather than on ignorance.
I put to you a challenge: before you respond to this post, if you choose to respond, click on my username to access the link "view prior posts", and read my prior posts, mostly geared towards providing information that will be helpful to newbies (the veterans know most of the stuff I put in these detailed reports) , and also read my reports referenced in the ROD thread going back. Then, if you still feel you have a bone to pick with me over the issue of trying to be helpful to newbies, I will certainly like to hear about it. Because that truly was one of my goals in writing reports, the other being to entertain, as well as provide analysis of various mongering options, their pros and cons, that had not been written about in the recent period.
But don't argue, just for the sake of arguing.
(3) your third paragraph about members who may be veterans in other locations, yet are newbies in Kiev: Listen up! No one who is a veteran member who had used this forum and seen the benefits of reading the pertinent thread for another location, would come into the Kiev thread, and begin writing, without first reading the Kiev thread to see what's going on. He would certainly not be such a newbie to fail to realize the importance to his own trip of reading the thread, or to fail to understand how inconsiderate it is to those who have been posting detailed reports, to just ignore the thread's contents, and post basic questions. For you to say that veterans can just ignore his newbie basic questions and not respond is a facetious argument. Obviously, he hopes / expects someone to answer him. He wants some veteran who knows the info to write for him all over again what was just written, often only days before, in order to spoon feed him the info. This is boorish and inconsiderate behavior. Most newbies catch on quick enough that they shouldn't be lazy and should try to read the thread. Why don't you "get it"?
LJ
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419
As I live in Ukraine and born in Nigeria, I have seen so many scams. 2 things you should know:-
1. It's a scam.
2. You won't know what scam it is until too late.
In this case it could range from "send money for ticket" to " I have plenty of money but can't take it out of Ghana. Can I send to you and get it from you when we meet. I just need your bank account details"
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1367532]Why would you say that it is not a scam because JoJo called her? If you google the words scam and Ukraine, you easily can locate true stories of guys caught up in long cons[/QUOTE]You are right. I meaned that if Jojo called to Ukraine, it was not a NIGERIAN scam.
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It's scam.
A British Ghanaian on Mamba, a Russian dating website? Lots of references to god. Lots of insipid intimate terms from the get go.
It's scam.
It is so blatantly a scam I can only assume you are joking by saying it's not a scam.
It's a scam.
Doesn't matter if they talked on the phone or not. You hear a female voice and you think all is well?
It's a scam.
[QUOTE=Prosal; 1367350]Apparently, Jojo called her (she says "thanks for your call") , so it is not a scam.
Talking about calls, I find it a good thing, I always call the girls I mesh well with on internet. It first shows that you are not a anonymous and stingy guy, and also it allows to charm her a bit with a short but witty conversation, provided you can take your best G. Clooney voice. Personally I accentuate my french accent, girls love it.[/QUOTE]
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Dear Honorable Businessman,
Hello, my name is Irish Lad. I am an Irish man born in Nigeria living in Ukraine. I was recently awarded a contract for the Ukrainian government to build a LPG terminal in Odessa by a Spanish ski instructor. The problem is all of my vast fortune is tied up in Michael Jackson and Hello Kitty memorabilia.
If you send a donation, err, I mean investment of $1, 000 to my paypal account I will make you a full partner in my 120, 000, 000 euro venture. Or just send cash to Mookie Nookie Balookie at 101 Scammer Lane, Ghana City, Ghana.
This is a legitimate business deal! If you need to confirm this on the telephone I can be reached at 1-900-skype-phone.
You #1 GI, I love you long time.
Sincerely, Irish Lad.
[QUOTE=Irish Lad;1367609]As I live in Ukraine and born in Nigeria"[/QUOTE]
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Ah ah ah ah
[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1367628]Dear Honorable Businessman,
Hello, my name is Irish Lad. I am an Irish man born in Nigeria living in Ukraine. I was recently awarded a contract for the Ukrainian government to build a LPG terminal in Odessa by a Spanish ski instructor. The problem is all of my vast fortune is tied up in Michael Jackson and Hello Kitty memorabilia.
If you send a donation, err, I mean investment of $1, 000 to my paypal account I will make you a full partner in my 120, 000, 000 euro venture. Or just send cash to Mookie Nookie Balookie at 101 Scammer Lane, Ghana City, Ghana.
This is a legitimate business deal! If you need to confirm this on the telephone I can be reached at 1-900-skype-phone.
You #1 GI, I love you long time.
Sincerely, Irish Lad.[/QUOTE]I can only imagine. IL. Ah ah ah ah. How he spent is new year. Beer + blondinkas. It'ts fun but in Italian we say bionda for beer and bionda for (blonde) girl.
Happy new year.
IT
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Kiev
I have read more than 90 pages on this thread, and I am interested in the apartments. No one has posted any addresses of apartments in Kiev. Most of them are tucked away in secluded dark streets and only people who have visited them or taxi scam artists seem to know them. Since the taxi drivers get a share of a commision why don't you post some addresses where apartments with girls can be found so it would save many people that are reading this forum some cost and time.
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Mamba Girl.
Hi Folks,
Here is one of the Photos Mamba Girl sent me in reply to my request for some Beach Photos.
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[QUOTE=CyberRem;1367673]I have read more than 90 pages on this thread, and I am interested in the apartments. No one has posted any addresses of apartments in Kiev. Most of them are tucked away in secluded dark streets and only people who have visited them or taxi scam artists seem to know them. Since the taxi drivers get a share of a commision why don't you post some addresses where apartments with girls can be found so it would save many people that are reading this forum some cost and time.[/QUOTE]I would not be so concerned about some taxi drivers "extra commission" if you are a newbie. Many are experts in the varying nuances of individual apartments. Just find one that gives you a good vibe.
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Salute
LilJoey,
I love your writing
Style and reasoning you should teach for LSAT GMAT.
Salute.
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1367564]Dear Roevskalle,
Unfortunately, you seem to have not understood what was written, since what you write is non-responsive. I will explain to you, according to your "points".
(1) it was never suggested that newbies must read this thread going back to 2002...[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=CyberRem;1367673]I have read more than 90 pages on this thread, and I am interested in the apartments. No one has posted any addresses of apartments in Kiev. Most of them are tucked away in secluded dark streets and only people who have visited them or taxi scam artists seem to know them. Since the taxi drivers get a share of a commision why don't you post some addresses where apartments with girls can be found so it would save many people that are reading this forum some cost and time.[/QUOTE]Good apartments.
[url]http://www.bestkievapartment.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.partnerguesthouse.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.uaapartments.com/[/url]
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Re Mamba Girl
[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1367705]Hi Folks,
Here is one of the Photos Mamba Girl sent me in reply to my request for some Beach Photos.[/QUOTE]Oops. The photo that I copied and pasted here didn't surface.
I have now got about 9 Photos from her, some of them are very sexy on a beach. You would like them.
Never posted any photos on ISG before and I am a (Dummy) in things like that.
What would be the right way to copy and paste here the photos that she sent me in her emails.
Many thanks in advance.
BTW. I am still waiting for her New Year message. No cards revealed by her so far.
Happy New Year To You All.
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Re Apartments.
[QUOTE=CyberRem;1367673]I have read more than 90 pages on this thread, and I am interested in the apartments. No one has posted any addresses of apartments in Kiev. Most of them are tucked away in secluded dark streets and only people who have visited them or taxi scam artists seem to know them. Since the taxi drivers get a share of a commision why don't you post some addresses where apartments with girls can be found so it would save many people that are reading this forum some cost and time.[/QUOTE]You need to look up posts by (Me and You ).
He is the one who posted very useful input with adddresses for Apartments and I think some telephone numbers as well.
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Born in Nigeria?
[QUOTE=Irish Lad; 1367609]As I live in Ukraine and born in Nigeria, I have seen so many scams. 2 things you should know:-
1. It's a scam.
2. You won't know what scam it is until too late.
In this case it could range from "send money for ticket" to " I have plenty of money but can't take it out of Ghana. Can I send to you and get it from you when we meet. I just need your bank account details"[/QUOTE].
Hi Irish Lad.
Born in Nigeria?
And there was me all this time thinking you were born a Long, Long way in Tipperary
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVM-tFAdADg.[/url]
So far I got about 9 Photos from her and about 15 undying love emails. All for free.
The only Nigerian scam that fell for in all my internet and mongering life was in Tokyo, of all places on Earth.
Walking around Shinjuku, Tokyo, got approached by a Nigerian tout who took me to a Bar with the promise of sex with some nice girls.
Ordered a Beer, the beer plonked on my table was more frothy than usual and tasted strange.
The nice Brazilian girl hostess told me in a whisper that my drink was spiked.
After few minutes I got up to leave, the door was blocked by 2 Nigerian Heavies.
Well I am very tall and well built, but I couldn't take on both of them at the same time.
I came up with a plan. I leave now to bring another friend from my hotel back to the Bar.
One of them insisted on walking with me back to the hotel.
When we got outside my hotel, I told him, Now you have 2 choices Pal, Either leg it back to your Fucking Club, or I will floor you right here and call the Police? .
He took the Wiser choice and disappeared within minutes.
That said, I met some honest Nigerian touts in Roppongi Tokyo. One of them took me to a Strip Club where you can actually touch the girls and even fuck them in the private room. And Fuck one of them I did.
There were few UA and Russian Girls working the Hostess and Strip clubs there.
Yeah, you can't generalize about All scammers are Nigerians, but many of them seem to be. .
BTW. There is some US$ 20 million waiting for me in some obscure Chinese Bank.
All I need to do, is send them my personal and Bank Details.
Happy 2013.
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Photos Of Girls
[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1367793]Sounds like you are not familiar with photoshop which means you are probably not planning to block the girls facial identity. Since it was basically agreed on this thread that your letter was a scam, only fair to assume the photos may have been lifted from the web. Not really cool to post somebodies pictures on ISG that has nothing to do with the sex business.[/QUOTE]Haven't got a clue how to block facial identity. Blocking her (Facial Identity) in this case wouldn't reveal the scam. A picture Speaks a Thousand Words, especially in this case.
Well our Friend here Prosal posts some unblocked pictures of His civvy girlfriends in the context of discussions on sex to give us an idea. .
No harm in that?
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[QUOTE=Harry Hirsch; 1367755]Good apartments.
[url]http://www.bestkievapartment.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.partnerguesthouse.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.uaapartments.com/[/url][/QUOTE]To these I would add [url]www.kievapts.com[/url], and I will tell you that I have used them for several years for all my trips, and they know what I like (upscale, clean, new looking and comfortable, with all the amenities). I usually took a one bedroom in the range of $115. $135 per night, although a few times I took a similarly priced two bedroom and was happy. They have apartments all over downtown. You can see a map of all their apartments with photos on their website. I have not yet been disappointed. There are probably cheaper accommodations, but I am happy with the quality and space I am getting for the price of a two / three star hotel. No hotel at this price level would offer the space, and luxury and amenities that apartments offer. In Kiev, especially if you are a monger intending to bring many girls back to your apartment, where it would be nice to have sufficient space (like a living room) and ability to offer refreshments (like a full kitchen) , and you would appreciate privacy, an apartment is a superior solution than a hotel.
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[QUOTE=Cayenne2010; 1367748]LilJoey,
I love your writing
Style and reasoning you should teach for LSAT GMAT.
Salute.[/QUOTE]Thank you for kind words, even though the post you cite doesn't really contain any actual mongering information, and was more of a personal conversation between two members. Anyways, I hope that you will get to enjoy some of my survey and analysis reports going back in the thread, as I recommended to the gentleman who I was responding to, and the reports of many others who wrote interesting and informative reports or comments, and then you get to enjoy some truly fun times in Kiev.
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Mamba Girl
[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1367793]Sounds like you are not familiar with photoshop which means you are probably not planning to block the girls facial identity. Since it was basically agreed on this thread that your letter was a scam, only fair to assume the photos may have been lifted from the web. Not really cool to post somebodies pictures on ISG that has nothing to do with the sex business.[/QUOTE]She was on Mamba with a picture. On her profile it says " Looking for a Man ".
No age limit, preferences or anything. Similar to girls who post on mamba with pictures " Looking for a man 20 to 80 years old ".
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What are they looking for Pen Pals.
LOL. In this case it could have been for her Instant Love on a Blind Date.
Up to now she hasn't asked for anything, nor have I sent anything, nor will I send fuck all to her.
I am more than willing to do Cash on delivery of sex based on the Photos. BTW she looks very Ukrainian in the Photos, although she says in her emails (British Ghanian)
In the old days Girls used to advertise on mamba looking for a sponsor, or sex with money.
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1366217]Jan and Feb sounds kind of scary in Kiev with its weather. I guess plus side is you are only foreigner in town.[/QUOTE]I was there in February once and it was not so bad, but I guess it depends on where you fell out in the first place. I always have cold feet, with the exception for 4 days during the so called "summer", or when I fly my ass to the sun.
I will be in Kiev and Kharkov the third week of January. Anyone from here that is there, is as always welcome to PM me so we can arrange a little ISG get together somewhere.
B.
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Re Apartments. Here
[QUOTE=CyberRem;1367673]I have read more than 90 pages on this thread, and I am interested in the apartments. No one has posted any addresses of apartments in Kiev. Most of them are tucked away in secluded dark streets and only people who have visited them or taxi scam artists seem to know them. Since the taxi drivers get a share of a commision why don't you post some addresses where apartments with girls can be found so it would save many people that are reading this forum some cost and time.[/QUOTE].
I did the work for you. Took me few minutes to find the excellent input by (Me and You ). Post 9561 dated 25/03/2012, complete with addresses and Telephone numbers. .
Which 90 pages did you read? .
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1261596#post1261596[/url]
I wish I had it so easy when I first got on this thread trying to find out what was the meaning of Salons.
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[QUOTE=CyberRem; 1360491]Guys,
New Years Eve is approaching and some people are going to celebrate it in Kiev?
Could you please post what to do stuff while being there and what to avoid?
Thanks[/QUOTE]Now you got some Solid pointers to Apartments with girls in Kiev, perhaps you tell us how did you spend New Year's Eve In Kiev?
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[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1367774]What would be the right way to copy and paste here the photos that she sent me in her emails.
Many thanks in advance.
BTW. I am still waiting for her New Year message. No cards revealed by her so far.
Happy New Year To You All.[/QUOTE]Download them from the email to your computer. Upload them in a report to here from your computer. There is a browsing to find window in the upload template. Any problems, email them to me and I'll do it for you. Don't forget to include your bank details)
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Apartments
[QUOTE=CyberRem;1367673]. save many people that are reading this forum some cost and time.[/QUOTE]The institutions you ask for seem to change address very often, and they operate very discreetly, as far as I know. I have tried to look for the same apartment from last year, and nobody was there. This is the reason I don't remember any addresses, and even if I remembered, I'm not sure it is safe to post them in this forum. Law enforcement might be activated. My trick is to walk (at daytime) somewhere close to Bessarabska Market, behave, dress, talk like a tourist, and soon a promoter will stand close to you, with a hand-out card to give you. If you accept, he can either take you to the apartment, secretly, or you make a call to the number on the card. This depends, if you speak Russian, everything is more easy. Sometimes you will find cards lying around in this area. Taxi drivers, at night some can help, but as you say, will charge for this service. Humping new year! RB
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Girls In Apartments.
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1367801]To these I would add.
[url]www.kievapts.com[/url]
, and I will tell you that I have used them for several years for all my trips, and they know what I like (upscale, clean, new looking and comfortable, with all the amenities). I usually took a one bedroom in the range of $115. $135 per night, although a few times I took a similarly priced two bedroom and was happy. They have apartments all over downtown. You can see a map of all their apartments with photos on their website. I have not yet been disappointed. There are probably cheaper accommodations, but I am happy with the quality and space I am getting for the price of a two / three star hotel. No hotel at this price level would offer the space, and luxury and amenities that apartments offer. In Kiev, especially if you are a monger intending to bring many girls back to your apartment, where it would be nice to have sufficient space (like a living room) and ability to offer refreshments (like a full kitchen) , and you would appreciate privacy, an apartment is a superior solution than a hotel.[/QUOTE][quote=CyberRem]I have read more than 90 pages on this thread, and I am interested in the apartments. No one has posted any addresses of apartments in Kiev. Most of them are tucked away in secluded dark streets and only people who have visited them or taxi scam artists seem to know them. Since the taxi drivers get a share of a commision why don't you post some addresses where apartments with girls can be found so it would save many people that are reading this forum some cost and time.[/quote]CyberRem is a after Apartments with Girls, aka SALONS.
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You can also get all the apartment listing you need off of the fake girls on mamba.
[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1367776]You need to look up posts by (Me and You ).
He is the one who posted very useful input with adddresses for Apartments and I think some telephone numbers as well.[/QUOTE]
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I was in Kyiv / Kharkov in 2006, the coldest winter since the 1920's. It was minus 25c more days then I want to remember but I had a fantastic time. Just make sure you have lots of tea for the girls at your apartment.
[QUOTE=Barba; 1367871]I was there in February once and it was not so bad, but I guess it depends on where you fell out in the first place. I always have cold feet, with the exception for 4 days during the so called "summer", or when I fly my ass to the sun.
I will be in Kiev and Kharkov the third week of January. Anyone from here that is there, is as always welcome to PM me so we can arrange a little ISG get together somewhere.
B.[/QUOTE]
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Re Bank Details.
[QUOTE=Irish Lad;1367903]Download them from the email to your computer. Upload them in a report to here from your computer. There is a browsing to find window in the upload template. Any problems, email them to me and I'll do it for you. Don't forget to include your bank details)[/QUOTE]Many Thanks IL for the above. Will try it.
As for my Bank details, I feel it really should be in the Public Domain and not via pm.
PIGGY BANK OF CENTRAL NIGERIA.
OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY,
TINUBU SQUARE, LAGOS- NIGERIA.
ACCOUNT NAME. /BONZO DOG DOO DAH BANDO
TELEX: CENPBANK.
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[QUOTE=Jojosun;1368072]CyberRem is a after Apartments with Girls, aka SALONS.[/QUOTE]Understood. Thought it was a good idea anyways to add to Harry's list of apartment rental companies so the info about that will all be in one place for reference.
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Hotel Lybid Kiev
Has anyone taken any girls from the bar in the lobby of the Hotel Lybid? What was the price / experience?
Do any quote for an overnight? Any GFE experiences? I am thinking about staying at the hotel and not sure if it is worthwhile to get a girl from the bar downstairs.
Where is a good option for a semi-pro college student? I read good things about Avalon and Mamba in this forum.
Thanks,
Hamboner
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Salons
Yes I was asking for salons and thanks for the prompt reply guys I kinda missed that one post that you linked. Anyhow I think that this topic is not very extensively covered and some new updates should be posted with new addresses becase since march9 months passed. So if anyone has any info it will be much appreciated.
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Lybid is just a tab bit out of the way sitting on Victory Square. It was probably a great location when Club 111 was in the basement. Caribbean is a close walk away tho.
I don't think the hotel lobby girls are going to compare with the quality of girls in the various nightclubs in Kyiv.
[QUOTE=Hamboner; 1368236]Has anyone taken any girls from the bar in the lobby of the Hotel Lybid? What was the price / experience?
Do any quote for an overnight? Any GFE experiences? I am thinking about staying at the hotel and not sure if it is worthwhile to get a girl from the bar downstairs.
Where is a good option for a semi-pro college student? I read good things about Avalon and Mamba in this forum.
Thanks,
Hamboner[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1366609]Go to D'Lux, Arena, Skybar, Shooters.
Have fun.[/QUOTE]Thanks Cruiser D, really appreciate it.
If you come to the USA and need any help, ping me.
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[QUOTE=CyberRem;1368298]Yes I was asking for salons and thanks for the prompt reply guys I kinda missed that one post that you linked. Anyhow I think that this topic is not very extensively covered and some new updates should be posted with new addresses becase since march9 months passed. So if anyone has any info it will be much appreciated.[/QUOTE]Any Mongering experiences, and when are you thinking of going to KIev?
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Grand tour in an RV
Hello Peoples,
Its been a while since I have been in here as I have been mostly using the FKK scene in Germany of late.
Well I am in the process of buying an American RV at the moment and have changed my job to work only 6 months a year. I plan to do a grand tour of Ukraine in the not too distant future. I plan to go through the country like a Crusader with my cock as my sword, swinging the beast of love upon as many beautiful Ukrainian girls as I can. Winning both hearts and minds alike and becoming a true peoples champion.
My question is. If it was you on such a poon tour, what route would you take.
I will be writing a blog as I go. So stay tuned.
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[QUOTE=CheekyDancer; 1368537]My question is. If it was you on such a poon tour, what route would you take.[/QUOTE]Circular and whatever you do, don't stop!
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[QUOTE=CheekyDancer;1368537]I plan to go through the country like a Crusader with my cock as my sword, swinging the beast of love upon as many beautiful Ukrainian girls as I can. Winning both hearts and minds alike and becoming a true peoples champion.[/QUOTE]Your well-written lyrism is nice, but keep in mind that Ukraine is on the "sex-tourism map" since MANY years now, and that a foreigner is rather a subject of distrust than of attraction.
There is an underlying disdain for sex-hungry tourists in Ukraine, and in many cases it's dislike, and even hate.
In Russia, this phenomene is not as obvious, for the very simple reason that there is few sex-tourists in Russia.
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Mamba Girl. Half uncovered?
[QUOTE=Irish Lad;1367903]Download them from the email to your computer. Upload them in a report to here from your computer. There is a browsing to find window in the upload template. Any problems, email them to me and I'll do it for you. Don't forget to include your bank details)[/QUOTE]Hope this Photo of hers surfaces here. (Now Using another computer ).
She reckons she is mixed race as I told you (British Ghanian ). This photo was taken on a beach Near Accra? Yeah.
! 5 emails so far and she is not after money for a Return ticket, But?
I don't want to go into too many details right now, before I see her Photo here.
Got few more that she sent me. Normal holiday shots.
Getting very near to The Final Chapter with her.
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Mamba Girl
[QUOTE=Irish Lad; 1367903]Download them from the email to your computer. Upload them in a report to here from your computer. There is a browsing to find window in the upload template. /QUOTE]Here is some more of her. Testing, Testing.
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Mamba Girl
[QUOTE=Irish Lad; 1367903]Download them from the email to your computer. Upload them in a report to here from your computer. There is a browsing to find window in the upload template.[/QUOTE]Here is some more of her. Testing, Testing.
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Explanation
[QUOTE=TheAlvarez1001; 1365829]
[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1365821]Sorry. But its not really a explanation why it's a tourist trap or why to avoid them. Can you explain that in some examples?[/QUOTE]You get fucked but you don't get laid. They take you for all the money they can squeeze out of you (or me) , loosely defined as a horny tourist, and then you walk home alone. A place to trap tourist based on the old adage "a fool and his money get promptly separated". Since sperm accumulates in the brain and impedes thinking, once in they show us tits and ass, sperm production accelerates, completely floods the cranial cavity and we become easy prey. I can't explain more than that, really.
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Apartments in Kiev
[QUOTE=CyberRem;1367673]I have read more than 90 pages on this thread, and I am interested in the apartments. No one has posted any addresses of apartments in Kiev. Most of them are tucked away in secluded dark streets and only people who have visited them or taxi scam artists seem to know them. Since the taxi drivers get a share of a commision why don't you post some addresses where apartments with girls can be found so it would save many people that are reading this forum some cost and time.[/QUOTE]I used many times Kiev Apartments, a lady called Oksana is the manager, and the number is 380 509 267104, a competitor is Stay in Ukraine. 38044 501 42078. I rented from both, they are both good, they arrange for transfer from and to the airport, supplies, etc. None of these bring you 'girls', but you can get from them a bubuchka that will clean your apartment, make your bed and wash your clothes. Some of the building look quite bad from the outside, the elevators and corridors, but inside they are really nice and clean, and safe.
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Taxis
[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1367740]I would not be so concerned about some taxi drivers "extra commission" if you are a newbie. Many are experts in the varying nuances of individual apartments. Just find one that gives you a good vibe.[/QUOTE]Any taxi you take in Krechiatik will cost you 100 hrv or more. What locals do is call a taxi on the phone, and wait for it. Taxi companies do not speak anything but Russian or Ukrainian, so if you don't, you are SOL unless you get a waiter, a friend, etc. To call for you. You will pay half as much. It is normal to sit on the front seat, next to the driver. It is also custom that you talk with the driver before you get in his car. You can bargain the price, but once you agree on it, they are respectful and do not try to screw you. In general I found that people there are quite honest. No kidding.
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Roads in UA
[QUOTE=CheekyDancer; 1368537]Hello Peoples,
Its been a while since I have been in here as I have been mostly using the FKK scene in Germany of late.
Well I am in the process of buying an American RV at the moment and have changed my job to work only 6 months a year. I plan to do a grand tour of Ukraine in the not too distant future. I plan to go through the country like a Crusader with my cock as my sword, swinging the beast of love upon as many beautiful Ukrainian girls as I can. Winning both hearts and minds alike and becoming a true peoples champion.
My question is. If it was you on such a poon tour, what route would you take.
I will be writing a blog as I go. So stay tuned.[/QUOTE]Your plan sounds groovy, but consider that the roads in Ukraine are extremely bad. I rented cars and drove from Kyiv to Lviv, Odessa, Yalta, Kharkov and other places and the roads are really fucked up, without much in terms of signs or direction. Cops will stop you and extract bribes from you (if you drive fast as I do) but the fines are now much higher, so they ask for a lot more. If you are unlucky enough to offer a bribe to a cop not on the take (I heard it happens) you may end up in jail. As for the hearts, you may very well win a few, for real and you may end up hurting from all the hurt you create on them. No kidding either. These are not bad people in general, and girls dress to kill because competition is fierce for a guy, any guy, since the locals for the most part are completely useless as men, husbands, workers, etc. These chics are not bad and yes, they can fall in love with you as you may be a good alternative to them, and not just for your money or your passport. Also be careful, you may fall in love there as many men I known over the past few years. To include myself. UA chicks are extremely feminine, sex-starved, attention-starved, giggly and for the most part, naive. Yep, still not kidding.
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For once I agree with LiJoey
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1367801]To these I would add.
[url]www.kievapts.com[/url]
, and I will tell you that I have used them for several years for all my trips, and they know what I like (upscale, clean, new looking and comfortable, with all the amenities). I usually took a one bedroom in the range of $115. $135 per night, although a few times I took a similarly priced two bedroom and was happy. They have apartments all over downtown. You can see a map of all their apartments with photos on their website. I have not yet been disappointed. There are probably cheaper accommodations, but I am happy with the quality and space I am getting for the price of a two / three star hotel. No hotel at this price level would offer the space, and luxury and amenities that apartments offer. In Kiev, especially if you are a monger intending to bring many girls back to your apartment, where it would be nice to have sufficient space (like a living room) and ability to offer refreshments (like a full kitchen) , and you would appreciate privacy, an apartment is a superior solution than a hotel.[/QUOTE]All info he provides about apartments matches my experience and thinking. Unless you start promoting a certain club next to DejaVu, we are friends.
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[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1368704]
[QUOTE=TheAlvarez1001; 1365829]You get fucked but you don't get laid. They take you for all the money they can squeeze out of you (or me) , loosely defined as a horny tourist, and then you walk home alone. A place to trap tourist based on the old adage "a fool and his money get promptly separated". Since sperm accumulates in the brain and impedes thinking, once in they show us tits and ass, sperm production accelerates, completely floods the cranial cavity and we become easy prey. I can't explain more than that, really.[/QUOTE]In other words, it's a strip club? Duh.
You do realize (how can you not after reading the love affair of certain memebers of ISG with RIO) that you can take a girl home for $300 for 3 / hours and unleash you sperm all over her, unlike most strip clubs in the West. Do you expect the girls to fuck you for free? Or blow you for $50 in your seat?
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[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1368708]Any taxi you take in Krechiatik will cost you 100 hrv or more. What locals do is call a taxi on the phone, and wait for it. Taxi companies do not speak anything but Russian or Ukrainian, so if you don't, you are SOL unless you get a waiter, a friend, etc. To call for you. You will pay half as much. It is normal to sit on the front seat, next to the driver. It is also custom that you talk with the driver before you get in his car. You can bargain the price, but once you agree on it, they are respectful and do not try to screw you. In general I found that people there are quite honest. No kidding.[/QUOTE]
There is a taxi company dispatch that understand and accepts English over the phone. Someone posted it in this forum a while ago. Good luck trying to tell them the address you are at unless it's simple Russian, you already know the location or you can cut and paste from google maps.
Don't pay over 50uah for a taxi any where the metro goes unless you are going very far out.
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[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1363895]Sponsor74, I never used Mamba. Ru expecting to find a real girl there. From the beginning of my first use of that website several years ago, I became convinced that most of the profiles were fake pictures. My searches were for girls engaged in pay for play (P4P) where use of fake pictures is certainly the norm.
There is a certain business logic involved in the use of fake pictures by an agency or girl apartment, or even an independent individual girl, offering p4p. The objective of such a girl or agency is the same as any business advertising, which is: to lure you to make the call to them! That is the first step in the business objective that they have. It is the equivalent of the door to door salesman getting his proverbial foot into your door; that coveted first moment of anyone selling anything, to get you to look or to listen. So of course the sexiest and most attractive picture will grab your eye better and will be used by such girls or agencies in their advertising. And everything will be promised to you and said to you when you call that will be calculated to convince you to go to the next step, and agree to let the girl come to your door. Once that is achieved, they have their foot in your door, and you are easy prey. You are not an objective educated consumer. Instead you are a most vulnerable horny man, whose own libido has been working you over since you made the call to the hot, sexy escort, raising your excitement and internal sexual furnace to the highest zones of intensity. And it is you, in this truly pathetic state of arousal, that the escort girl will need to confront when she arrives at your door. Yes, of course she is not the girl in the photos! And perhaps she doesn't really speak English, more than a few words. But, she has a vagina! And pathetic you really, really wants to fuck. It's the easiest sale in the world to make. It's really not too hard for any decent looking girl to seduce you when you are in such a horny state. Only a girl who is very unappealing, a real dog, a piglet, will fail to gain entrance to your apartment. Most men in a horny state of arousal will just take the girl, fake picture or not, if she looks reasonably attractive.
However, a man who has had sufficient sex already that day or the day before, and who is not so horny, but rather who is involved in a mongering trip, fucking many more women than he really needs to, as a matter of sport or entertainment, rather than libidinous need, and who is looking for a high level of beauty for his next conquest, is a different and far more difficult customer for these fake picture escort agencies or girls to confront. The sated monger is not the typical very horny male calling an escort because he needs a sexual release, and will stand there at the door, pathetically at the mercy of sexual urges, that are the allies of the escort girl standing there at his door, looking nothing like the picture he saw (a thought somewhere in the back of his mind, all but lost in the sexual stimulation the girl at the door is trying to throw at him). No. The sated monger, is a connoisseur of sex, looking not so much for sexual release, as much as for sexual achievement on the highest level. He wants to enjoy the beauty he saw depicted in the photos on the website, and has no desire to waste his seed on an average, or even above average looking girl. So the fake picture escort at the door will likely get the boot by the monger, unless he is just beginning his mongering trip, and is horny enough like a regular guy, and wants to get the "edge" off, even with a cheap fuck of an average looking girl.
The sated monger, a connoisseur of sex, is not the usual horny vulnerable customer these fake picture escort agencies typically deal with. He is a much more educated consumer, and far more objective and selective in his choice of p4p pussy. And the advice given for the mongers on this thread is: if the girl does not measure up to expectations, simply send her away. Conversely, if she is hot enough to light your fire, then keep and enjoy her regardless of the fake picture.
The prevalent use of fake pictures is not a reason to not meet with girls from mamba. Ru, or top-modals. Com or any of the other Internet websites for escorts in Kiev advertising low rates of 800 UAH or a little more or less. On the contrary, if one wants to get cheap pussy in Kiev, all these websites are the primary method to get such low cost girls over to your apartment. So if the picture turns out to be fake, as it usually does, all it means is that for these types of girls, your shopping really only begins when the girl arrives and you can see what she is actually selling. Therefore, when making the initial calls to the agency or mamba girl to set up the date and summon the girl to your apartment, you are merely rolling the dice, and taking a gamble on what will show up at your door. It is a numbers game. You need to keep doing it enough times for there to be a statistical likelihood of a good looking girl showing up at your door. But if you keep doing it enough times, and sending away those who don't measure up, eventually you will have a girl who is attractive enough, or maybe even very attractive, show up at your door. That is the reported experience of the members writing on this thread. There are a lot of hot young girls engaged in p4p activities in Kiev, and to meet them you have to roll the dice enough times. It's as simple as that. The problem of the fake pictures exists, but is to be surmounted in the above fashion. It's like having blind dates. Same thing. Often the girl is not what you're looking for. But sometimes she is. However, there are some factors working in your favor. In Kiev the population pool from which the p4p girls are drawn, contains a statistically high percentage of girls who are skinny. Obesity is not yet the problem in Ukraine among young women in their teens and early twenties, that it is in the West. Also, The Eastern European genetic pool contains the ingredients that produces those amazing female body shapes with the narrow waists and wide shapely hips and nicely curved derrières that we have all come to appreciate, admire and lust for. As a consequence there are many skinny girls with good bodies that are plying the p4p trade, with the facial features and level of actual beauty being the largest chance factor. So there is actually a fairly good probability, given the population pool in Kiev, that a hot, young girl with a skinny, sexy body and nice enough face, will show up at your door, if you give it enough chances.
So fuck the fake picture problem. Just continue to use mamba. Ru and you will likely have as much fun as those who have reported on this thread previously.
If you are one of those guys who does not want to waste time rolling the dice and meeting with girls that you don't know what they look like in advance, then you are like me, and ample advice on how and where to meet girls in Kiev that you can see in person before choosing them, has been given in this thread. Go to the recommended night clubs and figure out which girls are p4p and meet them there. Go to the strip clubs and take them out from there. Go to girl apartments and select them there. Go into the shopping malls and walk the streets, if you're interested in regular dating, and start up with them there, and everywhere. In all these places, you can see the girls before choosing. In the strip clubs you can even see them naked, and touch their bodies in a private dance, before choosing. But these options are more expensive. So if you want cheaper sex of $100 or less per hour, you need to get past the fixation on true pictures, and simply deal with the fake picture Internet p4p scene that exists in Kiev. That's the bottom line. Gia is the only true pic Internet escort agency reported on here, but it is a more expensive option.
If you are looking for regular dating, not P4P, on the Internet sites such as mamba. Ru, here is an interesting observation. Some members looking for regular girls and freebie dating have insisted in their reports on this thread that most of the girls they met with from mamba. Ru had used true pictures. I am not in a position to dispute them because I was only interested in finding p4p girls who would have sex at the first meeting and get right down to it, since I had no time in a short weekend visit to Kiev to wine and dine and maybe seduce a regular girl, and therefore no interest in pursuing regular girls on mamba. Ru. But assuming that what they wrote is factual, it makes sense. A regular girl who wants to date, knows that lying to you will spell doom to the relationship. And that goes for much smaller things than what she looks like too. So it's less likely that a regular girl would use fake pics.
By contrast, p4p girls or agencies, are trying desperately to get you to call them and invite them to your apartment in order to get your money, so if a fake pic is helpful to get you to call, of course they will use it, and will hope that your horniness will help them overcome your objections when they get to your door and the sham is revealed, but a sexy girl is standing in front of you, ready for sex. And furthermore, since they are advertising for p4p, of course they prefer not to associate their actual faces with the ads, as they have families and a future life to think of.
So p4p, are likely fake pics. But regular girls are likely real pics.
LJ[/QUOTE]LJ,
Well said and spot on!
Hunter Dave
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Greetings Hunter
[QUOTE=HunterDave; 1368758]LJ,
Well said and spot on!
Hunter Dave[/QUOTE]Hi Hunter,
Long time no activity from you on here, What, getting too predictable and settled in your ways in KIEV.
Now I know Pedro Toronga and Hunter Dave are in fact 2 different Mongers. One likes Rio, and the other doesn't.
Yeah 2009 was like yesterday.
Happy2013. Look forward to reading your adventures in Kiev.
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English Speaking taxi co
[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1368708]Any taxi you take in Krechiatik will cost you 100 hrv or more. What locals do is call a taxi on the phone, and wait for it. Taxi companies do not speak anything but Russian or Ukrainian, so if you don't, you are SOL unless you get a waiter, a friend, etc. To call for you. You will pay half as much. It is normal to sit on the front seat, next to the driver. It is also custom that you talk with the driver before you get in his car. You can bargain the price, but once you agree on it, they are respectful and do not try to screw you. In general I found that people there are quite honest. No kidding.[/QUOTE]This Taxi co speak English and I used all them the time [url]http://taxi-boss.com.ua/.[/url]
They prequote for you as well.
I think HnuterDave posted on some others as well.
Very Reliable. From Downtown to Airport about 130 uah.
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[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1368711]All info he provides about apartments matches my experience and thinking. Unless you start promoting a certain club next to DejaVu, we are friends.[/QUOTE]Pedro, of course we can and should be friends. There is no reason not to, as we share a number of important interests. That we disagreed about enjoying what Rio offers, is really of little consequence. I hold different opinions on various topics than many of my friends. It doesn't interfere with the friendship that some of my interests can't be shared with a particular friend. With some friends I like to get together for dinner, with other friends I can share my enjoyment of strip clubs, with some friends I go to regular nightclubs on ocassion to dance and drink. It's the same way for everyone. So of course it would please me to share a drink in friendship with you, if our paths crossed. And of course, I would know that I shouldn't invite you to Rio for that drink. But fortunately my interests are broader than that and I can enjoy any good watering hole that had some nice looking females around.
Here's to open-minded discourse!
LJ
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[quote=hunterdave; 1368758]lj,
well said and spot on!
hunter dave[/quote]thank you for your kind words, hd.
and the presence of veteran guys like you, and cd, has been missed on this thread for a bit of time. glad you are both back.
hd, perhaps it's time to try to persuade you to write a "how to mamba guide", including methodology and anecdotes, which i am sure would open the eyes of many members, newbies, as well as veterans, as you opened mine, that time we met for a coffee downtown and we shared some of the pics in our respective smart phones. i was truly impressed with what good results you showed me were possible using mamba. ru. and it inspired me to dedicate more of my time in subsequent trips to meeting more mamba contacts during the time i had available.
at this point, i have so many girls that i liked from mamba in my contacts list, that in returning to kiev for a visit, after i make appointments to see most of the previous contacts again each visit, there is little time left over to meet new ones. but at the same time, i only succeeded in meeting with a small fraction of the mamba contacts i had collected before my trips. this is because i stayed at my apartment, and invited the girls to come to see me there. so i ended up keeping and fucking the girls who were doable (a 6 or 7 and up). as a consequence, i have no idea if there were some true 9's or 10's in the rest of the untested list of my contacts. so i am rethinking it and coming to realize that your speed dating method is the only way to meet most of my contact list, so i can then choose the best of them for further "relations".
lj
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[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1368710]As for the hearts, you may very well win a few, for real and you may end up hurting from all the hurt you create on them. No kidding either. These are not bad people in general, and girls dress to kill because competition is fierce for a guy, any guy, since the locals for the most part are completely useless as men, husbands, workers, etc. These chics are not bad and yes, they can fall in love with you as you may be a good alternative to them, and not just for your money or your passport. Also be careful, you may fall in love there as many men I known over the past few years. To include myself. UA chicks are extremely feminine, sex-starved, attention-starved, giggly and for the most part, naive.[/QUOTE]Althought I agree with some of your words, they must be taken with a grain of salt. Long gone are the days when FSU girls opened their legs just because a sex-starved foreigner showed up. As I said above, a foreigner is now rather a subject of distrust (and sometimes of mockery, and even of disdain) than of attraction. About their supposed "naivity"", IMO girls are anything but naive. They perfectly know why foreigners come to Ukraine. To fuck. They are not stupid and they know the deal.
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To All Newbies:
[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1368788]This Taxi co speak English and I used all them the time.
[url]http://taxi-boss.com.ua/.[/url]
They prequote for you as well.
I think HnuterDave posted on some others as well.
Very Reliable. From Downtown to Airport about 130 uah.[/QUOTE]To All Newbies:
This is an example of very useful information, of the kind that should be copy / pasted into you summary document, for use during your Kiev trip. If you don't do that, you will find yourself at some point in the future in Kiev spending hours to hunt down that post you once saw that had the cheap taxi information.
Thanks to Jojosun for posting the info.
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Kiev Veterans.
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1368836]Thank you for your kind words, HD.
And the presence of veteran guys like you, and CD, has been missed on this thread for a bit of time. Glad you are both back.
LJ[/QUOTE]Agreed.
I would also miss Irish Lad (Born in Nigeria, Lives in Kiev, to be found at Shooters Club Usual table on Wednesdays wearing a White T Shirt on the front reads " What are you looking at, Fuck OFF" ).
Would also miss another veteran UkeBoy. His first reply to my question, re Salons " Do you want us to Change your Nappies "
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[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1368710] These are not bad people in general, and girls dress to kill because competition is fierce for a guy, any guy, since the locals for the most part are completely useless as men, husbands, workers, etc. These chics are not bad and yes, they can fall in love with you as you may be a good alternative to them, and not just for your money or your passport. Also be careful, you may fall in love there as many men I known over the past few years. To include myself. UA chicks are extremely feminine, sex-starved, attention-starved, giggly and for the most part, naive. Yep, still not kidding.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Prosal;1368918]Althought I agree with some of your words, they must be taken with a grain of salt. Long gone are the days when FSU girls opened their legs just because a sex-starved foreigner showed up. As I said above, a foreigner is now rather a subject of distrust (and sometimes of mockery, and even of disdain) than of attraction. About their supposed "naivity"", IMO girls are anything but naive. They perfectly know why foreigners come to Ukraine. To fuck. They are not stupid and they know the deal.[/QUOTE]Actually, if a foreigner was to rise above the tourists, it would be just as Pedro said. "These are not bad people" is a perfect description for Ukrainians.
On a side note, I started reading Ukraine expat forums. I found it interesting that the members go out of there way not discuss issues relating to sex as to not be classified a sexpat. The funny thing is that these same members are all in Ukraine for women.
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Kiev Taxis.
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1368949]To All Newbies:
This is an example of very useful information, of the kind that should be copy / pasted into you summary document, for use during your Kiev trip. If you don't do that, you will find yourself at some point in the future in Kiev spending hours to hunt down that post you once saw that had the cheap taxi information.
Thanks to Jojosun for posting the info.[/QUOTE]Thanks LJ for your comments.
I know how frustrating it can be to find an honest English Speaking Taxi Driver or a company with English speaking Dispatchers in Kiev.
Before going to Kiev for the first time in 2009, I posted in this thread requesting such info or any pointers. Didn't get any feedback.
When I got there, the lovely girl on reception called the above Taxi company for me. Got friendly with one young taxi driver. Once I took him with me to Tixi Omut Strip Club on the other side of the Dnipro River. Paid for a private dance by 2 stunners for both of us, He was over the moon.
He really appreciated it by switching the meter off for all the time we were in the club.
Return fare for a couple of hours was 70 UAH.
Have you been to Seoul? . I was really impressed by the Taxi service there. If you don't speak Korean and the driver can't understand you, you can take advantage of the Free Interpretation Service. This is offered and advertised in all Taxis in Seoul. You will see a sign with a number to call. The call centre speak English, Japanese and Chinese and will tell the driver where to bring you. If you don't have a phone you can use the taxi driver's phone.
Haven't seen anything like it anywhere else in the world, Have You?
Talking about Taxis and Taxi Drivers. The best Taxi drivers in the world are the Black Cab drivers in London. The worst Assholes are to be found driving cabs in NYC speaking Gibberish. As if you didn't know this already.
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IMHO Mamba is best complimented with some other virtual meeting points. I will normally take an hour every now and then and send messages to as many girls I am allowed to in 24 hours. I always select on pictures, age preference and on the text (Chrome has a translation plug in) , but not go primarily on what would be considered obvious sex providers since these are often just a fake and a waste of time. The Tineye Chrome plugin will help you to detect reused pictures. From this flooding maybe only a couple emerges that seem both real and interested. A natural step is to Google her email, once you get that. You will most often find a trail on various advertisement and job seeking sites from any real girl. If they are real they are cautions like a trout in a gin clear creek, and most often very passively aggressive initially. I normally do not pay too much attention to what women say to me, since it is most often what they want to happen and not how it will be, but in this first phase it is easy to make one or two fatal mistakes and the contact is broken with all the ranting she believe she needs to conduct the imaginary restoration of her damaged pride.
Assuming that the traps are avoided and the general aggression towards the male population are avoided and we stay "friends", I always try to add the female on Skype, FB, VK or some other site. The primary reason is obvious, but it also allows you to check out friends of her. I have not been to Ukraine a lot but have a few circles of female friends that are open to share Barba's cash among themselves. In Asia it is easier, but the principle the same. Fuck one and be nice to her, and she will introduce you to her student friends in need. And share some good contacts with you monger buddies, and they will share with you (hopefully).
It is wise to install all the Android applications for these sites. At least the Mamba one use localization based on IP and once U-turn up in Kiev or Kharkov, many girls suddenly become much more interested to chat and meet. In the past I never really knew what bottles to bring for my dates when I flew into a city, but nowadays I lean on a great quote by the French gastronome Jean-Anthelme Brillat-Savarin;"Burgundy makes you think off silly things, Bordeaux makes you talk of them and Champagne makes you do them."
The girls that see me as a walking money bag do not chit chat so much on for example Skype, but half of the girls I do end up adding on these various forums are more towards GFE and not P4P providers in the strict sense. Work brings my to UA and the "I do not go there for sex"-story is more or less water proof, so some long term relations are maintained. Some messages ever now and then and after some months, you are practically friends. This is recognized as the KongKing sniffing phase for anyone that hang in the Asian ISG area. If you are ready with the sniffing, you can move on to doggy faster.
As Poker Player wrote it is easy to fall for these girls. I am normally in love for several minutes after I leave a city, with several girls, and have a couple of young pretty girls for next trip that I even consider to travel with. I have a partner I like a lot in many ways, so for me to take time and travel with someone else is rare.
One of my fuck friends and one of my girlfriends in Ukraine will undress and play with themselves on cam every now or then, when I want to jerk off. This is not so common with for example the more conservative Philippina teen girlfriends I have in the provincial south. To get the religious pinays (not the worn out hoes) of the south to finger fuck themselves on cam requires a LOT of convincing, but at least these two Ukrainian girls seems to love to masturbate together every now and then. Or to just accommodate my wishes for the sake of being good females.
For time or money invested you will get "more pleasure" in Asia IMHO, both when it comes to GFE or pure sexual experiences, but I love the way girls in UA look and the fact that they are closer to us culturally means that conversations are way more stimulating. My number one GF in Davao really loves a big cock in he little body and is relatively speaking well educated, yet she will always turn on cartoons when I take a shower. Cute at first but the intellectual gap is a slight challenge.
Barba is scheduled to go back to Ukraine in February so it is time to intensify the chatting and flooding. With a fresh memory of how close I was to total failure a couple of trips back (saved by my mates 007 and TheKnight. Thanks again!) , it is safe to say that one can never have too many candidates lined up. And I will share if you share, so PMs are appreciated.
Cheers!
Barba
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Hello Friends
I will go to Kiev in 29th January. I searched girl from Kiev (May be escort too). I looked mamba. Ru but a lot of girl giving same phone number. I think photos not real. I need help all members. Please sand me real escort girls adress or independent girls number or web adress. Please.
And If you know girl with real photo from Mamba. Ru, sand me nema or number. Thank you very much. Which clubs girl I can take it out with money?
Best regards
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[QUOTE=Barba;1369131]In the past I never really knew what bottles to bring for my dates when I flew into a city, but nowadays I lean on a great quote by the French gastronome Jean-Anthelme Brillat-Savarin;"Burgundy makes you think off silly things, Bordeaux makes you talk of them and Champagne makes you do them."[/QUOTE]I personally like to bring something stronger, like fine rum. Something like Wray & Nephew White Overproof 63° Rum which is merely the best high strength rum in the world. If your date agrees to go to your apartment to taste her gift, make her two or three well-dosed mojitos or ti-punchs (don't forget to bring also sugar can) , and it's drunk sex guaranteed.
As a side note, to fill my fridge with alcohol (notably Baileys, girls love it) is the very first thing I do when I arrive somewhere.
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Re Taxis.
[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1369111]Thanks LJ for your comments.
Talking about Taxis and Taxi Drivers. The best Taxi drivers in the world are the Black Cab drivers in London. The worst Assholes are to be found driving cabs in NYC speaking Gibberish. As if you didn't know this already.[/QUOTE]Come to think of it. This Title should really go to the Taxi Drivers in Tokyo.
Unlike London Taxis, You are not expected to tip as the price is fully inclusive. Taxi driving in Tokyo is a profession and standards apply. It's clearly visible when you see the immaculate uniforms most drivers wear including gloves, a suit, and often a cap. If you try to tip it will be refused as that's not the way it's done there.
You are expected to hand over the fare on the tray the driver passes it to you, also to pick up any change left.
Part of that professional etiquette includes honesty. If you happen to lose something in a taxi, report it as you are more than likely to get your items back.
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[QUOTE=Prosal; 1369312]I personally like to bring something stronger, like fine rum. Something like Wray & Nephew White Overproof 63° Rum which is merely the best high strength rum in the world. If your date agrees to go to your apartment to taste her gift, make her two or three well-dosed mojitos or ti-punchs (don't forget to bring also sugar can) , and it's drunk sex guaranteed.
As a side note, to fill my fridge with alcohol (notably Baileys, girls love it) is the very first thing I do when I arrive somewhere.[/QUOTE]
I bring myself, then fill the girl with me. Girls love that. It's one of the very first things I do when I arrive somewhere.
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Safe ATMs in Kiev
Thank You for the great information on the English speaking taxi service that is trustworthy in this forum. I am concerned about another issue prior to my upcoming Kiev trip. Are there any safe ATMs to use while in Kiev? Where I would be less likely to be ripped off? Is it easier to exchange Dollars or Euros to UAH?
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A Ukrainian Christmas Present
Jojo, I am still here and will from time to time contribute.
I am bored of the constant questions about apartments, ATMs, taxis and other basic questions that keep regularly repeating over and over again ad nauseum. To those who ask such basic questions, RTFF or do a search. The answers are all here if you just do either one or the other. If you cannot or do not know how to do a search in ISG or this forum then sell your computer, you have no business using one.
CD, looks like I will be here until the end of January so PM me once you are here and let us have lunch.
I have been here for about two months since my last Middle East contract expired. I am preparing for a new Middle East gig to begin in February. With that in mind, I have been sampling the local riches via Mamba, VK and other sites, the one group least mentioned here, MILFs. I have made it a point to contact those from 29 to 38 years old in their profiles (those older ladies sometimes tend to understate their age, what a surprise). Frankly, it has been almost non-stop fun with a nice mix of pros and non-pros.
Since I am once again headed to the ME I am doing this to build up my reserve of possible companions when I get bored with the local talent. I would then invite these MILF contacts to visit me for a week for a real holiday for them and a sex holiday for me. However, that local talent where I am to be based will likely also be largely Russian, something I have also begun to develop there as well. But it never hurts to have a reserve.
Why MILFs? Largely because my experience with 18-25 yo's here are that they are mostly empty-headed sex toys and nothing more. I am not complaining and I will not keep them from my bed but conversations before and after sex are largely exercises in silence and boredom with them mostly staring at their phones. I am older and the MILFs I have met have for the most part been very interesting company, even the paid professional contingent.
Since I have not contributed in a while, it looks like I will expound at long length like someone else we know so with all due apologies I wish to relate today's episode.
I called a Mamba contact today, she claims age 37. Pix of her on Mamba were just fine, but I suspected that they were fake. Similar to but not exactly her. I arrived at noon for what I expected to be a two-hour session, at most. This is for paid services, after all. My suspicion was been confirmed about the Mamba photos but she was nevertheless attractive and met me dressed only in a fishnet body stocking that showed it all! How could I leave? That proved the best decision I have made in a long time.
We sat, chatted, had some tea, a nice get acquainted session. During the talk, she said she had a friend from Russia who visited her from time to time and that they were bi and loved to have sex with each other, especially fisting. Are you reading this carefully Colon? Needless to add, it became an instant file item for further action.
I went and showered and we began. Her almost first words were put your fingers into me. I of course obliged and then began a wild session of OWO, sex in all positions including anal, as well as my attempts at fisting her. I did get 5 fingers in but could not quite get the entire hand in. I have a big hand so it will take other sessions to do it right. That will now have to wait for another day and that day will definitely come soon.
The entire session finally ended about 5 PM, no clock watching of any sort, just one hell of a great time. In between the sex was a lot of talk. 99% from her which was the only real downside, she would only shut up when she had something in her mouth and she did a good job of that as well. We finished off our time with some more chatting over tea.
I finally walked out exhausted, drained and almost dead but with a huge smile on my face. Such gems will be kept under lock and key. However, the real story is that they can be found and do exist here.
Oh, yes, one other not so small point when many think that the $300 price for a girl for three hours from a third-rate strip club is acceptable, I paid 800 grivna while the actual asking price was only 600 grivna (I could not give her the asking price, after all that had happened) for 5 hours of intense and non-stop kinky sex. That works out to an actually paid price of $20 per hour. Soon it will be a threesome and I can only imagine what that can involve. I cannot wait. For sure she will be invited for a week's holiday in the ME later this year when I get my new contract.
Now it is time to relax, take it easy and celebrate the Christmas holiday here for a few days. After today, I really need the break since I did get my Christmas present today.
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E/$: No difference.
[QUOTE=Hamboner;1369429]Thank You for the great information on the English speaking taxi service that is trustworthy in this forum. I am concerned about another issue prior to my upcoming Kiev trip. Are there any safe ATMs to use while in Kiev? Where I would be less likely to be ripped off? Is it easier to exchange Dollars or Euros to UAH?[/QUOTE]In case, you have cash E, use them for exchange. Or cash $, in case otherwise.
Safe ATM: I only use ATMs located within a bank. At least I think, it is safe then.
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[QUOTE=Uke Boy;1369450]Why MILFs? Largely because my experience with 18-25 yo's here are that they are mostly empty-headed sex toys and nothing more. I am not complaining and I will not keep them from my bed but conversations before and after sex are largely exercises in silence and boredom with them mostly staring at their phones. I am older and the MILFs I have met have for the most part been very interesting company, even the paid professional contingent.[/QUOTE]How come nobody ever talks about the Kiev MILF market? Seems mid aged foreigners and Ukrainian milfs should have a chemistry beyond just sex.
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Westtern Union instead of ATMs
[QUOTE=Hamboner;1369429]Thank You for the great information on the English speaking taxi service that is trustworthy in this forum. I am concerned about another issue prior to my upcoming Kiev trip. Are there any safe ATMs to use while in Kiev? Where I would be less likely to be ripped off? Is it easier to exchange Dollars or Euros to UAH?[/QUOTE]What I have been doing recently when I travel is sending cash to myself through Western Union. There are options that have no fee at all. The only money they make is through the exchange rate which is better than what I have found in any cash exchanger and as good as many ATMs. You can also do it all online and it is 100% safe unless you get mugged leaving the office.
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Why MILFs? Largely because my experience with 18-25 yo's here are that they are mostly empty-headed sex toys and nothing more. I am not complaining and I will not keep them from my bed but conversations before and after sex are largely exercises in silence and boredom with them mostly staring at their phones. I am older and the MILFs I have met have for the most part been very interesting company, even the paid professional contingent.
Don't be funny dude. Such saying just show what level of girls you are doing while in Kiev. There is too many young, elegant, educated young dievs in Kiev that can't compere to girls I meet in my country.
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Use the ATMs in Metrograd or Globus, there is 24/7 security in those places. Or at a secured area inside a bank.
There are exchange kiosks all over downtown, some with fairly decent rates.
Take your pick.
[QUOTE=Hamboner;1369429]Thank You for the great information on the English speaking taxi service that is trustworthy in this forum. I am concerned about another issue prior to my upcoming Kiev trip. Are there any safe ATMs to use while in Kiev? Where I would be less likely to be ripped off? Is it easier to exchange Dollars or Euros to UAH?[/QUOTE]
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Why would you want to date a 30+ girl with kids as opposed to the 20+ girl with no kids?
[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1369475]How come nobody ever talks about the Kiev MILF market? Seems mid aged foreigners and Ukrainian milfs should have a chemistry beyond just sex.[/QUOTE]
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That ex Russian porn star you gave me the number to was awesome, her butt implants were a bit much for me tho. That was 5 years ago and I am still thinking about it. I managed to somehow offend her (who me?) so I only got one session in with her. She was a complete sex machine.
I still have the same Ukrainian mobile number if you kept it, otherwise I will PM it to you.
[QUOTE=Uke Boy;1369450]CD, looks like I will be here until the end of January so PM me once you are here and let us have lunch.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Cruiser D;1369521]Why would you want to date a 30+ girl with kids as opposed to the 20+ girl with no kids?[/QUOTE]Yeah, you are right. Thanks for the clarity.
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[QUOTE=YummyPL;1369510]What I have been doing recently when I travel is sending cash to myself through Western Union. There are options that have no fee at all. The only money they make is through the exchange rate which is better than what I have found in any cash exchanger and as good as many ATMs. You can also do it all online and it is 100% safe unless you get mugged leaving the office.[/QUOTE]I once tried to send money to someone from a credit card via Western Union when I was outside the USA, and was unable to do so, I suppose as a security measure.
Which WU option are you using that has no fees and will work to send money to yourself while you are in Kiev. Is it money available in minutes? Or are you talking about a transfer that takes more time. Please explain the details.
ATM's: I have used ATM's all over downtown Kiev with no problem, including the ATM inside Rio club. I use a Citibank account that doesn't charge me any 3% foreign transaction fee. The only fee might be from the ATM machine owner itself. Citibank uses an exchange rate that is satisfactory in comparison to exchange rates reported on [url]www.xe.com[/url] (which gives an average of the buy and sell rates). Ocassionally, Citibank has replaced my card as an anti fraud measure, but it has never been associated with any compromise of my actual account, or loss. It seems that do it as a precaution when they detect a Citibank card has been used in a city that is known for card readers activity, or something like that. I asked the Citibank fraud department, and they said that it was not any of the ATMs I used for withdrawal transactions, but rather card reading activity in the city itself. So I think that withdrawing and spending local cash from ATMs is the way to go.
As security against loss, I do not travel with large sums of $dollars or Euros to exchange. I keep a reasonable amount of dollars locked in my luggage as a security reserve, in case needed. But for use as spending cash in Kiev, I withdraw Ukrainian currency (UAH) from ATMs each day, in an amount that is sufficient for that days foreseen activities, to minimize the cash at risk. As further security against loss, I have a travel lock on my luggage and I lock any excess cash I have not used yet that day that is in my pockets, as well as credit cards and passport, into my luggage whenever guests are expected in my apartment. When a girl is at my apartment the only cash in my pockets is an amount sufficient for her fees, plus some small additional small bills and change I may have.
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Rang out the OLD " Big DOG " style!
After living in Kyv for many years this was my 1st venture back in awhile!
I'm pushing 60, prefer morning's over late evenings and really enjoy the 'personality' more than the "looks"!
So I tend to do alright with FREE beees! One thing that helps is they know "I know" Kyiv! And I do plan to return to live.
Arrived on a Friday just before Christmas and had agreed with a 28 year old Nina to spend 5 days with me. There will be shopping, gifts, fun! A nice blonde
With wonderful breasts! She ended up only being with me for 2. 5 days. She said she got sick. But I think she could not handle the 170 kilos of FUN I was packing!
I'm not going to bore you guys with details. But there was Tina (came to me 3 times) , Irina (24, 5 or 6 times) , Natasha 1 nght, Luda 2 nights, and maybe 1 other I'm forgeting? But the main reason for this posting is this: Good Guys do finish 1st! I really play of the fact that I am this big ol Teddy Beat. Dirdushka! It works!
Friday the 28th was a banner day! I had forgot that Tina was comiing at 11:00. Surprise. Had to hurry as I had a lunch date with my banker Oksana. Then at 15:00, Irina came but made me promise to not lick her pussy, she gets too tired from many orgasms. WTF?
Then at 17:00 I had to send some cash to another city, and I needed help. So over comes Sasha. 24 year old blonde and we get the $$ sent. So of course I need to properly thank her and invite her to a kafe after work to celebrate early NY's, she agrees but only if Yulia can join us. 23, blonde. Both great tits!
So at 18:00 they sms to meet on the street. I suggest the kafe and Sasha asks if I have an apartment. Konishna! They both tell me that it is better if we buy food and whisky and make a party at home! Hmmm, nice plan! And Old Father Christmas sure was smiling on me! In the shop, I am in line to pay and Sasha whispers "You have condoms"? I tell her NO, and you should of seen the look on the cashiers face as she throws down a box!
What a nice time, and these girls are kissing, sucking and licking each other!
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Next morning!
So this little Yulia is so sweet, she said she wants to come to me Saturday morning before her work. She is afraid another girl will steal me away. But no fawking, she will only suck me, seems her pussy is a little sore and bleeding! Said she was not that experienced! And I thought the screams were from "pleasure"! Planning on flying them down to Hurghada to my apartment in March!
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[QUOTE=Tomux 22;1369512]Why MILFs? Largely because my experience with 18-25 yo's here are that they are mostly empty-headed sex toys and nothing more.[/QUOTE]There is so such thing as 18- 25 yo. There is IMO a HUGE difference between a 18-20 and a 23-25.
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The only way to send money to Ukraine via Western Union is to go to a Western Union location and use cash (or a debit card). The fees are rather outrageous so I try to avoid using WU.
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1369561]I once tried to send money to someone from a credit card via Western Union when I was outside the USA, and was unable to do so, I suppose as a security measure.
Which WU option are you using that has no fees and will work to send money to yourself while you are in Kiev. Is it money available in minutes? Or are you talking about a transfer that takes more time. Please explain the details.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Prosal; 1369312]I personally like to bring something stronger, like fine rum. Something like Wray & Nephew White Overproof 63° Rum which is merely the best high strength rum in the world. If your date agrees to go to your apartment to taste her gift, make her two or three well-dosed mojitos or ti-punchs (don't forget to bring also sugar can) , and it's drunk sex guaranteed.
As a side note, to fill my fridge with alcohol (notably Baileys, girls love it) is the very first thing I do when I arrive somewhere.[/QUOTE]God advice! Mojito is a great drink as well. Sucked down a bunch of them during my escapades in Venezuela, but I think the locals there would debate your statement about Wray & Nephew White Overproof 63° Rum. I have no opinion since I rarely bother to remember what I drink, even if I just had one drink, but in Venezuela they are immensely proud of their own rum. This is naturally just as irrational as any other gibberish that comes from anyone that resorts to taking pride in where they fell out from mummy, but Hugo inflated the egos of many of his slaves. In any case I will look for that Wray & Nephew White Overproof 63° Rum and mix some mojitos for my devotchka visitors.
B.
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[quote=uke boy;1369450]why milfs? largely because my experience with 18-25 yo's here are that they are mostly empty-headed sex toys and nothing more. i am not complaining and i will not keep them from my bed but conversations before and after sex are largely exercises in silence and boredom with them mostly staring at their phones. i am older and the milfs i have met have for the most part been very interesting company, even the paid professional contingent.[/quote]nice to read about some kinky stuff here, uke boy. i want to find a pretty girl into [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103][CodeWord103][/url]. i had very little experience from it, and it is yet to be tested fully. money is not the issue but to be frank i feel a bit awkward to ask most females about it. i think she would need to be youngish though. granny [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] does not turn me on (yet). lol.
maybe i do not have the intelligence level of you uke boy, or perhaps i am just easily amused, but the relatively few young females i met in ukraine where with few exceptions good conversation partners all through the meetings. i like a milf sometimes, but an older woman's humbleness and service mind can never fully replace my genetic programming want to stick my see*ck in most young and newly bloomed females. fisting is interesting but it also mean you have to have a very large dick to produce any kind of friction in the vagina. for me anal sex is an enhancer, and not a last resort. having said that, i will continue to be open minded about age in ua. in asia i will very very rarely go over 21-22, but this is not asia so i take what i can, as long as they look good and turn me on.
barba
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[QUOTE=LifeSavour;1369618]After living in Kyv for many years this was my 1st venture back in awhile![/QUOTE]Great story! You give me hope, man! I was starting to despair and was just about to plan this springs workout program, about obviously it is something else I am lacking. Do you speak the language? Or do you spread a lot of cash around?
B.
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[QUOTE=Barba;1369806]God advice! Mojito is a great drink as well. Sucked down a bunch of them during my escapades in Venezuela, but I think the locals there would debate your statement about Wray & Nephew White Overproof 63° Rum. I have no opinion since I rarely bother to remember what I drink, even if I just had one drink, but in Venezuela they are immensely proud of their own rum. This is naturally just as irrational as any other gibberish that comes from anyone that resorts to taking pride in where they fell out from mummy, but Hugo inflated the egos of many of his slaves. In any case I will look for that Wray & Nephew White Overproof 63° Rum and mix some mojitos for my devotchka visitors.[/QUOTE]Ti-Punch is easier to prepare, it requires solely rum, and bit of lime juice and sugar can. Strongly alcoholic but easily sipped, and deadly efficient (more than mojito that is rather a "long drink") with dyevushki.
[url]http://www.esquire.com/drinks/ti-punch-drink-recipe[/url]
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RE cocktails
[QUOTE=Barba;1369806]mix some mojitos for my devotchka visitors.[/QUOTE]Something strong and tasty that dyevs usually love is ABC. It's a rather unknown cocktail that I discovered in Tashkent (!). Mix Amareto, Baileys and Cognac, et voila. It's simple as that. It's also deadly efficient and powerful, as it's 100% alcohol, but very easily sipped. In this video, they prepare it as a shot and non-mixed, but better do it mixed in an old fashioned glass type.
[url]http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-make-an-abc-shooter-cocktail[/url]
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Mamba Girl Uncovered.
[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1368630]Hope this Photo of hers surfaces here. (Now Using another computer ).
She reckons she is mixed race as I told you (British Ghanian ). This photo was taken on a beach Near Accra? Yeah.
! 5 emails so far and she is not after money for a Return ticket, But?
I don't want to go into too many details right now, before I see her Photo here.
Got few more that she sent me. Normal holiday shots.
Getting very near to The Final Chapter with her.[/QUOTE]Thank You Irish Lad 4 the tips on uploading the photos. LOL. You might be a bit of a Lad and Irish as well, but 4 sure you ain't that Green,"Born In Nigeria ".
Well here are the rest of the Photos sent to me by Mamba Girl.
Summary of Events so far since 22 Dec 12.
Mamba girl. Looking for a Man on her Profile with a Photo with Dark Hair.
I send her a compliment, she replies, she is a hairdresser (Changes the color of her Hair Often ).
, I reply. I never sent her any Photos, just some profile details.
Her Love is now in the emails. Wants to marry and have 1 or 2 kids. .
I play along with it, why not. Getting free Photos and a bit of Hard on all for Free.
All along I am one step ahead of her. Last email she wants to come back to LONDON urgently.
Needs £250 to top up the money she has already for her ticket.
JOJO replies.
" No problem darling, I am in The Travel Business I can issue you with a ticket straight away. Just send me a copy of your passport showing the photo and I'd details ".
Mamba Girl " I only want £250, because I want to do it myself here in Accra, You Don't Trust me?".
JOJO ". Of Course I Trust You. No Problem. I will send you an extra £ 75, because I want you to buy me some Cigars and Whisky from the Duty Free Shop at Accra Airport.".
She wants the Money sent via Western Union.
I reply " Even Western Union or a Bank in the UK would want I'd Details and A copy of Passport orcopy I'd with a Photo ".
No Reply as yet. But if she does? I Got one hell of a Plan, To be revealed Later.
She only showed her Ace card in the last 2 days, re the extra money.
Anyone getting on mamba for the first time, you can see how scammers take their time to make a move.
Got to say, I enjoyed this Scamming Fling.
Waiting for her Final Reply. .
IL or anyone. How can one check on the Origin of these Photos which don't look to me as Photoshopped, not the I know about photo-shopping anyway.
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[QUOTE=Prosal;1369744]There is so such thing as 18- 25 yo. There is IMO a HUGE difference between a 18-20 and a 23-25.[/QUOTE]Agree my post was just a last line.
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[QUOTE=Tomux 22;1369512]Don't be funny dude. Such saying just show what level of girls you are doing while in Kiev. There is too many young, elegant, educated young dievs in Kiev that can't compere to girls I meet in my country.[/QUOTE]No joke boy. I have been here since 1995 and I have met, dated and bedded more women here than you can ever hope for or even dream about. I think I know better than you the local girl and what I want and what I think about them. Also, I speak fluent Russian and they almost all think I am a local so that also changes the equation.
If I am to take someone for a week or two on holiday anywhere, I want them to have some intelligence, someone I can talk to in the off time and who can also talk to me before and after sex. Believe me, there are a lot of airheads out there no matter what age but most of them are in that 18-25 group from my experience.
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[quote=barba;1369818]nice to read about some kinky stuff here, uke boy. i want to find a pretty girl into [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103][CodeWord103][/url]. i had very little experience from it, and it is yet to be tested fully. money is not the issue but to be frank i feel a bit awkward to ask most females about it. i think she would need to be youngish though.[/quote]since money is not an issue, then just plain ask and you may well receive! or is it that you want to be the donor? or both!
either way, i suspect that it will only take asking and deciding on a price, if at all. since you really like the younger ones, they are the ones right now much less inhibited and more willing to experiment, if need be. go for it the next time you are here. the worst that can happen is a "no" and you go on with your other fun.
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[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1369894]Thank You Irish Lad 4 the tips on uploading the photos. LOL. You might be a bit of a Lad and Irish as well, but 4 sure you ain't that Green,"Born In Nigeria ".
Well here are the rest of the Photos sent to me by Mamba Girl.
IL or anyone. How can one check on the Origin of these Photos which don't look to me as Photoshopped, not the I know about photo-shopping anyway.[/QUOTE]You can use [url]http://www.tineye.com/[/url] To check if the photos appear somewhere on the internet. The photos aren't of the person writing to you for sure. Mixed race?
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[QUOTE=Uke Boy; 1369933]No joke boy. I have been here since 1995 and I have met, dated and bedded more women here than you can ever hope for or even dream about. I think I know better than you the local girl and what I want and what I think about them. Also, I speak fluent Russian and they almost all think I am a local so that also changes the equation.
If I am to take someone for a week or two on holiday anywhere, I want them to have some intelligence, someone I can talk to in the off time and who can also talk to me before and after sex. Believe me, there are a lot of airheads out there no matter what age but most of them are in that 18-25 group from my experience.[/QUOTE]I don't question your fame, amount of dievs you did, experience or how great you are. Fact is Ukr girls compered with western girls are way in another league. Sure there is a lot airheads from province on mamba, the reason I don't use mamba. I don't want "bad taste party" girl at my door. Too many have two diplomas from uni, art / music school certification at the age of 23, now beat that.
I dont mind you bending more girls then me, some men prefer quality and some quantity (wink)
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[QUOTE=Tomux 22; 1369952]I don't question your fame, amount of dievs you did, experience or how great you are. Fact is Ukr girls compered with western girls are way in another league. Sure there is a lot airheads from province on mamba, the reason I don't use mamba. I don't want "bad taste party" girl at my door. Too many have two diplomas from uni, art / music school certification at the age of 23, now beat that.
I don't mind you bending more girls then me, some men prefer quality and some quantity (wink) [/QUOTE]I prefer BOTH quality AND quality. Besides, my airhead may well be your Einstein.
Fact of the matter is that much of the education system here is in serious crisis with grades and advancement being able to be bought with bribes and payoffs. Diplomas are in play for money here and that is a fact. You can buy anything you want in schools here since many teachers demand pay for grades as well. But this is not the forum to discuss such matters but I do suggest you look into it a lot more before you make such all-encompassing comments about the education system here from where you sit.
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Western Union
[quote=liljoey;1369561]which wu option are you using that has no fees and will work to send money to yourself while you are in kiev. is it money available in minutes? or are you talking about a transfer that takes more time. please explain the details.[/quote][quote=cruiser d;1369752]the only way to send money to ukraine via western union is to go to a western union location and use cash (or a debit card). the fees are rather outrageous so i try to avoid using wu.[/quote]cruiser d, no offense meant but you are incorrect according my experience and to wu.
i go to the wu website. i choose:
send method: online.
speed: three days.
payment option: bank account.
receive option: pick up at agent location. cash.
i choose the "your bank with online bill pay" option. as of today wu charging no fees for this transaction and would pay out just short of 4, 000 uah for $500 usd which is pretty damn close to the normal exchange rate. my experience is their rates are significantly better than what i find at cash exchangers.
i will normally send 3 transactions before leaving on a trip. that way i can withdraw in intervals, and because there is no fee, i am not paying extra for more transactions. if i need to, i can send more online. once you have done it once with wu, they will let you do it again without concerns from fraud. this also means i don't have to carry an atm or credit card around. i have done this for philippines, romania, and costa rica. of course this is from us banks. i have no idea about banks in other countries.
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[QUOTE=Jojosun;1369894]IL or anyone. How can one check on the Origin of these Photos which don't look to me as Photoshopped, not the I know about photo-shopping anyway.[/QUOTE]The girl in those pics is Ann Angel (online porn girl):
[url]http://www.ann-angel.com/[/url]
[url]http://nud3.com/Girls/Ann_Angel/Miami_Candids[/url]
I like using Google Image Search better than Tineye but both work well.
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It's a scam?
Wow, didn't see that coming.
[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1369894]Thank You.
I play with it, why not. Gettinga bit of Hard on.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Uke Boy; 1369967]I prefer BOTH quality AND quality. Besides, my airhead may well be your Einstein.
Fact of the matter is that much of the education system here is in serious crisis with grades and advancement being able to be bought with bribes and payoffs. Diplomas are in play for money here and that is a fact. You can buy anything you want in schools here since many teachers demand pay for grades as well. But this is not the forum to discuss such matters but I do suggest you look into it a lot more before you make such all-encompassing comments about the education system here from where you sit.[/QUOTE]I will not start competition of who knows more how the system works in Ukr. This conversation will not bring any good to forum I agree. Don't forget smart kids that earn grades in honest way. And if to believe my gf yes she did. 23 yo and earn two diploma law and English. I will let you believe you are smartest and greatest guy out there. Take care.
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[quote=uke boy; 1369939]since money is not an issue, then just plain ask and you may well receive! or is it that you want to be the donor? or both!
either way, i suspect that it will only take asking and deciding on a price, if at all. since you really like the younger ones, they are the ones right now much less inhibited and more willing to experiment, if need be. go for it the next time you are here. the worst that can happen is a "no" and you go on with your other fun.[/quote]yea i got to be slightly braver. had some minor games now and then with girls. for example one gf loved to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] when she was riding me in the shower, back when i was young. and another teen gf always liked to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] on my hand when we where taking a bath in the ocean (yes weird, i know).
if she is really hot i will try both. like model hot. would love to travel back in time and tick off "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] party with teenage claudia cardinale". i want to try most things once before i die. i think i will tick off "cum in midget" in march because one of the girls i am seeing then in the philippines is very short. had some that where around 145 cm, and a couple of my davao girlfriends measure in at 4 feet 11, but this last girl is 4 feet 9, so that is short. and my monger mate down there is hopefully sharing her newly found 4 feet 9 teen as well, so it might be a midget fuck fiesta in march.
i asked one girl on mamba just now and she will agree to anal, rimming but answered "honestly i don't like to accept rep002". she is no photo model anyway so it does not matter.
barba
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[QUOTE=Uke Boy;1369933]If I am to take someone for a week or two on holiday anywhere, I want them to have some intelligence, someone I can talk to in the off time and who can also talk to me before and after sex. Believe me, there are a lot of airheads out there no matter what age but most of them are in that 18-25 group from my experience.[/QUOTE]Without being controversial, there is no real reason why a girl who is "airhead" at 24 yo would become smarter and deeper when she gets older. She will just get older. She will maybe just become more embiterred and disillusioned, because she will realise that she has been manipulated by men during all her "golden" years. Contrarily, a 30 or 35 yo woman who is smart, witty, indulgent, emotionally generous, passionate, learned, ect is definitely a woman who already had those qualities when she was younger. It is innate qualities. To say that all 20+ yo girls are futile and stupid barbies is just plain silly.
That said, I agree that most FSU girls in the 18-20 yo group have unsufferable habbits (the thumbs sticked to the smartphone, the "whatever" attitude, the exagerated taste for flashy fashioned clothes, for some of them the limited conversation, ect).
I also like MILFs, but solely when they are from an above-average social level. It's with this type of women (mostly Moscovites) that I've had the best uninhibited and uncomplicated adventures. They already have access to the best their society has to offer, the bills are paid and they have with you no materialistic expectations, and they only feel that what the one thing they miss out in life is romance and adventures. And they don't expect the adventure to last forever, but just to enjoy the ride. Single moms from below average social level are different. Although I am sure some would be happy with just some casual sex, I am also pretty sure that many want more. A serious boyfriend, perhaps even a husband, and usually a father for their child. In any case too much emotional baggage than I am prepared to carry. For me, thanks but no thanks.
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Yummy, Yummy.
[QUOTE=YummyPL; 1370023]The girl in those pics is Ann Angel (online porn girl) :
[url]http://www.ann-angel.com/[/url]
[url]http://nud3.com/Girls/Ann_Angel/Miami_Candids[/url]
I like using Google Image Search better than Tineye but both work well.[/QUOTE]Many Thanks YPL for the link and your prompt reply. .
Now I know Ann Angel is a Pron Star, then its a hell lot easier than scoring Mamba Girl in (Ghana ).
For a start, Ann doesn't need a Visa to go the UK where with a bit of luck, I might see her on this link [url]http://www.photogirls.nethttp://www.photogirls.net/.[/url]
Many US porn stars use it when touring.
WOW, now I got a good look at Her Ass. .
The album is now complete.
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Touring Ukraine.
[QUOTE=CheekyDancer; 1368537]Hello Peoples,
Well I am in the process of buying an American RV at the moment and have changed my job to work only 6 months a year. I plan to do a grand tour of Ukraine in the not too distant future. I plan to go through the country like a Crusader with my cock as my sword, swinging the beast of love upon as many beautiful Ukrainian girls as I can. Winning both hearts and minds alike and becoming a true peoples champion.
My question is. If it was you on such a poon tour, what route would you take.
I will be writing a blog as I go. So stay tuned.[/QUOTE]You want to be " A true Peoples Champion, winning hearts and minds in UA?".
Then why not tour the Ukraine "Like a True Crusader " and percieved there as such.
You will get more hits touring in a MINI COOPER than in an RV. It wiil show them that you are after " Quality, not Quantity."
With a Mini Cooper you would need to Stick to Inner Cities.
[url]http://www.mini.co.uk/model-range/hatch/mini-cooper-s/.[/url]
A MINI COOPER with Studded-Tyres for adverse weather conditions.
BTW, Prosal says, he drives a Mini Cooper in PARIS. And you can't be more French than Prosal.
This speaks volumes for the Mini Cooper.
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No always, not so simple
[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1368723]
[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1368704]In other words, it's a strip club? Duh.
You do realize (how can you not after reading the love affair of certain memebers of ISG with RIO) that you can take a girl home for $300 for 3 / hours and unleash you sperm all over her, unlike most strip clubs in the West. Do you expect the girls to fuck you for free? Or blow you for $50 in your seat?[/QUOTE]Cruiser, just like in any strip club, you are guaranteed to spend money there if you want the company of a girl, but you are not guaranteed that she will go with you to your hotel. There are reports of such in this site, and 2 or 3 years ago I did went to Rio and invited 2 girls to come to my hotel, and none came. My two cents.
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[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1368829]Pedro, of course we can and should be friends. There is no reason not to, as we share a number of important interests. That we disagreed about enjoying what Rio offers, is really of little consequence. I hold different opinions on various topics than many of my friends. It doesn't interfere with the friendship that some of my interests can't be shared with a particular friend. With some friends I like to get together for dinner, with other friends I can share my enjoyment of strip clubs, with some friends I go to regular nightclubs on ocassion to dance and drink. It's the same way for everyone. So of course it would please me to share a drink in friendship with you, if our paths crossed. And of course, I would know that I shouldn't invite you to Rio for that drink. But fortunately my interests are broader than that and I can enjoy any good watering hole that had some nice looking females around.
Here's to open-minded discourse!
LJ[/QUOTE]I drink to that! I hope to meet you some day.
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Atm
[QUOTE=Hamboner;1369429]Thank You for the great information on the English speaking taxi service that is trustworthy in this forum. I am concerned about another issue prior to my upcoming Kiev trip. Are there any safe ATMs to use while in Kiev? Where I would be less likely to be ripped off? Is it easier to exchange Dollars or Euros to UAH?[/QUOTE]Yes, some ATMs will capture your acct number and pin and will rip you off. IT happened to me, big time! Although I got my bank to redeposit the money back into my account, it is not a good experience. I suggest you only use one or two ATMs and those that are inside banks, not on the street. I chose the bank that is associated with Paribas BNP or something like that (it has a symbol of 4 stars and it is very frequent in Kiev and all over Ukraine). Since I use them, I never had a problem. Always print your receipts and check them against your bank statement, of course.
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[QUOTE=Jojosun;1370108]This speaks volumes for the Mini Cooper.[/QUOTE]A Mini is seen as a "girlie" car in Ukraine I guess. Also don't forget that the Ukrainian male population is a fairly dumb lot, they drive like testosterone-filled savages and as if their cars were tanks (watch the videos about car crashes and road rage in Russia on YouTube). Honestly, I'd rather drive a Cayenne in this region.
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[QUOTE=Tomux 22;1370032]And if to believe my gf yes she did. 23 yo and earn two diploma law and English.[/QUOTE]Of course. Happily not all 23-25 yo girls are airhead and futile. And to reiterate, I don't really really understand the logic of Uke B, which is that all girls in the 20-25 yo range are dumb, but by miracle, they become more clever at 30 yo. Hmm.
That said, to concur a bit with Uke B, I think that on the whole, Russian girls (and Russian women) are far more learned, more educated and smarter than their ukrainian cousins. On the whole.
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Pedro and LJ.
[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1370153]I drink to that! I hope to meet you some day.[/QUOTE]Meat and Greet at RIO?
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Re Porn Stars
[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1370085]Many Thanks YPL for the link and your prompt reply.
Now I know Ann Angel is a Pron Star, then its a hell lot easier than scoring Mamba Girl in (Ghana ).
For a start, Ann doesn't need a Visa to go the UK where with a bit of luck, I might see her on this link.
[url]http://www.photogirls.nethttp://www.photogirls.net/.[/url]
Many US porn stars use it when touring.
WOW, now I got a good look at Her Ass.
The album is now complete.[/QUOTE][url]http://www.photogirls.net/[/url]
Hope this link works
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[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1370152]
[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1368723]Cruiser, just like in any strip club, you are guaranteed to spend money there if you want the company of a girl, but you are not guaranteed that she will go with you to your hotel. There are reports of such in this site, and 2 or 3 years ago I did went to Rio and invited 2 girls to come to my hotel, and none came. My two cents.[/QUOTE]It's a case of YMMV. You can ask the manager which girls will go out, even then the girl may not want to. Old ISG member 109, who speaks fluent Russian, is a decent guy and was a well known fixture at Moscow strip clubs always struck out at RIO.
I lost interest in RIO when it went from $200 to $300. Although it is still what I consider cheap fun for a buddies night out.
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2nd time in Kiev with a great guide
I am a frequent reader of ISG and a few of the other monger forums. I frequently travel to C. R. And have been to a a couple of FKK in clubs in germany. This was my second trip to ukraine. The first time I found a guides email address on one of the forums. I corresponded with him before I went to ukraine. On my first trip there I arrived at boryspil airport. When I got off I thought to myself what have I done. I've depended on having a guide meet me here. There he was. He asked are you grant? From there on out it was nothing but a great adventure. I stayed in contact with him over time. It had been 4 years since I travelled to Kiev. I arrived the second time. Just like before he was waiting for me. He had picked out a nice apartment for me. It was posh. I told him I had been checking out alot of the escort sites and showed him the girls that I wanted to meet. When he saw them he told me that some of them were not their real pics. He called all of them and found one that said that was her real pic. She was fantastic! The prices have gone up alot since I was there the last time but she was worth it. My guide, alex took me on a whirlwind tour like he did before. I saw the miniature museum, the catacombs, out to a disco. It has been along time since I went clubbing. We drank absinthe and partied all night. A beautiful black haired girl with big tits approached me and said ill fuck you for 200. I said make it 100 and your on. She wouldn't budge. I so much wanted this one but I'm a haggler and we couldn't come to a price. I do regret that. I can't recommend my guide enough. He was always on time and knew everywhere to go. He spoke great english, had a nice toyota suv. I couldn't ask for better. For the most beautiful slavic girls I can't recommend ukraine enough. For the best guide I can't recommend alex enough. Go to ukraine! If you weant more info message me!
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Buddies at Rio.
[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1370316][QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1370152]It's a case of YMMV. You can ask the manager which girls will go out. Old ISG member 109, who speaks fluent Russian, is a decent guy and was a well known fixture at Moscow strip clubs always struck out at RIO.
It is still what I consider cheap fun for a buddies night out.[/QUOTE]On an Ideal Night. Buddies night out at RIO, CD. Pedro Toronga, Hunter Dave (I confess 4 a while I thought they were the same=) UkeBoy and Irish Lad. BTW Irish Lad can't make Wednesdays. Not even Rio will entice him away from Shooters Club. .
Liljoey can now enjoy a well deserved break. No much point in Preaching to the Converted, LOL "The Original Promotor ".
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Hello Alex.
[QUOTE=Usgrant;1370353]I am a frequent reader of ISG and a few of the other monger forums. I frequently travel to C. R. And have been to a a couple of FKK in clubs in germany. This was my second trip to ukraine. The first time I found a guides email address on one of the forums. I corresponded with him before I went to ukraine. On my first trip there I arrived at boryspil airport. When I got off I thought to myself what have I done. I've depended on having a guide meet me here. There he was. He asked are you grant? From there on out it was nothing but a great adventure. I stayed in contact with him over time. It had been 4 years since I travelled to Kiev. I arrived the second time. Just like before he was waiting for me. He had picked out a nice apartment for me. It was posh. I told him I had been checking out alot of the escort sites and showed him the girls that I wanted to meet. When he saw them he told me that some of them were not their real pics. He called all of them and found one that said that was her real pic. She was fantastic! The prices have gone up alot since I was there the last time but she was worth it. My guide, alex took me on a whirlwind tour like he did before. I saw the miniature museum, the catacombs, out to a disco. It has been along time since I went clubbing. We drank absinthe and partied all night. A beautiful black haired girl with big tits approached me and said ill fuck you for 200. I said make it 100 and your on. She wouldn't budge. I so much wanted this one but I'm a haggler and we couldn't come to a price. I do regret that. I can't recommend my guide enough. He was always on time and knew everywhere to go. He spoke great english, had a nice toyota suv. I couldn't ask for better. For the most beautiful slavic girls I can't recommend ukraine enough. For the best guide I can't recommend alex enough. Go to ukraine! If you weant more info message me![/QUOTE]Its in the Title."Hello Alex ".
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Alexa May in Kiev
[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1370291][url]http://www.photogirls.net/[/url]
Hope this link works[/QUOTE]Alexa May is a porn actress and partime escort in Kiev. She is very beautiful and gives the ass. [url]http://www.largeporntube.com/popular/5026/alexa-may/1.html[/url] I can't post her phone number here, but you should be able to track it down, she used to work through an agency. BTW she is very nice and dresses to kill.
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Same Alex?
[QUOTE=Usgrant;1370353]I am a frequent reader of ISG and a few of the other monger forums. I frequently travel to C. R. And have been to a a couple of FKK in clubs in germany. This was my second trip to ukraine. The first time I found a guides email address on one of the forums. I corresponded with him before I went to ukraine. On my first trip there I arrived at boryspil airport. When I got off I thought to myself what have I done. I've depended on having a guide meet me here. There he was. He asked are you grant? From there on out it was nothing but a great adventure. I stayed in contact with him over time. It had been 4 years since I travelled to Kiev. I arrived the second time. Just like before he was waiting for me. He had picked out a nice apartment for me. It was posh. I told him I had been checking out alot of the escort sites and showed him the girls that I wanted to meet. When he saw them he told me that some of them were not their real pics. He called all of them and found one that said that was her real pic. She was fantastic! The prices have gone up alot since I was there the last time but she was worth it. My guide, alex took me on a whirlwind tour like he did before. I saw the miniature museum, the catacombs, out to a disco. It has been along time since I went clubbing. We drank absinthe and partied all night. A beautiful black haired girl with big tits approached me and said ill fuck you for 200. I said make it 100 and your on. She wouldn't budge. I so much wanted this one but I'm a haggler and we couldn't come to a price. I do regret that. I can't recommend my guide enough. He was always on time and knew everywhere to go. He spoke great english, had a nice toyota suv. I couldn't ask for better. For the most beautiful slavic girls I can't recommend ukraine enough. For the best guide I can't recommend alex enough. Go to ukraine! If you weant more info message me![/QUOTE]I had a guide call Alex also (nick name Alyosha or something like that) who drove me many times on his SUV but it was a Mercedes. Maybe the same guy and either you or I have the car wrong, or he got a new one, who knows. I believe to be the same because he also took me to the same museums and others, and he did call girls for me, even drove them back and forth. VEry nice guy, excellent English, married to a doctor called Olga (whom I also met, nice family). I do recommend him very much.
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[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1370373]
[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1370316]On an Ideal Night. Buddies night out at RIO, CD. Pedro Toronga, Hunter Dave (I confess 4 a while I thought they were the same=) UkeBoy and Irish Lad. BTW Irish Lad can't make Wednesdays. Not even Rio will entice him away from Shooters Club. .
Liljoey can now enjoy a well deserved break. No much point in Preaching to the Converted, LOL "The Original Promotor ".[/QUOTE]To chat with other guys, compare notes, strategize, exchange phone numbers of ladies, etc. I woulr rather meet in a normal, civilized place where tits don't distract the conversation. I like Volkonski, Repriza, Premier Palace, Hyatt or Aroma cafes most. Then is out hunting, at least that is my choice.
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[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1367564]Dear Roevskalle,
You are obviously one of those people who has not read this thread. If you had bothered to read this thread, you would have seen the mountain of reports and responses I have posted responding with patience to questions of newbies, and compiling information and writing reports just for the sake of being helpful to newbies just coming to appreciate the exciting mongering destination Kiev is. I have been offering this guidance to newbies over the last two years since I began posting, and have even taken flak for it from the veterans who get irritated by the repetition of the same basic information. So you have chosen to lecture the wrong member about patience and helpfulness towards newbies. Hell, if anything, I should be nominated for being the posterboy of patiently writing reports to benefit newbies and answer their questions. I myself am a quasi-newbie having been coming to Kiev since 2009, while there are veterans who have been coming to Kiev for many more years than that.
I put to you a challenge: before you respond to this post, if you choose to respond, click on my username to access the link "view prior posts", and read my prior posts, mostly geared towards providing information that will be helpful to newbies (the veterans know most of the stuff I put in these detailed reports) , and also read my reports referenced in the ROD thread going back. Then, if you still feel you have a bone to pick with me over the issue of trying to be helpful to newbies, I will certainly like to hear about it. Because that truly was one of my goals in writing reports, the other being to entertain, as well as provide analysis of various mongering options, their pros and cons, that had not been written about in the recent period.
But don't argue, just for the sake of arguing.
LJ[/QUOTE]I cut a bit in the comments, as it otherwise had been too long.
Thanks for a long and filling answer. It certainly points out many things and in all fairness, I didn't argue just for the sake of arguing. But through this last post, you have also got a message through to me and (possibly) many other people of the importance to read the thread.
You were however wrong in the fact that I haven't read the forum. I actually clicked on your name and checked the previous reports. It was quite impressing. And if you click on my name you will not find a lot. Why is that? Well, I am the type of person who just reads the forum, and I have not really a "home thread" which I follow regularly. Mongering in my country is just the most ridiculously most expensive thing you can do in life, and it also is illegal. And what more, it is illegal for us to even monger abroad! I'm keeping a low profile and I am not reading or writing in the forum where I live. However, when I travel somewhere I have rarely anything to contribute with, as its mostly new places I am researching about. That is when I spend hours and hours in reading the forum. Not bothering asking too much questions, but I must admit that if I see a typical newbie question that is about the most simplistic thing, I am often thankful if someone answers it. Twice or thrice in the thread doesn't matter, as questions often asked may be something worth remembering.
I am not going to be so offensive this time (as my recently post apparently was recieved very offensive). I was just going through the forum upfront my trip to Kiev, but my goal and mission is neither to make enemies, nor irritate people. But I thank you for spending so much time in clearing that up. It is appreciated. Really.
Regards,
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Strategies For Success at Rio
[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1370152][QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1368723]Cruiser, just like in any strip club, you are guaranteed to spend money there if you want the company of a girl, but you are not guaranteed that she will go with you to your hotel. There are reports of such in this site, and 2 or 3 years ago I did went to Rio and invited 2 girls to come to my hotel, and none came. My two cents.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1370316]
[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1370152]It's a case of YMMV. You can ask the manager which girls will go out, even then the girl may not want to. Old ISG member 109, who speaks fluent Russian, is a decent guy and was a well known fixture at Moscow strip clubs always struck out at RIO.
I lost interest in RIO when it went from $200 to $300. Although it is still what I consider cheap fun for a buddies night out.[/QUOTE]It was precisely when I realized that the easy potential for a strike out at Rio existed, and analyzing what went wrong on the several times it happened to me and I went home from Rio alone, that I became convinced of the need to write about the mistakes I had made that lead to those strike outs, and devise the strategies to surmount the problem to the extent possible, toward the end of producing reports here on the thread that could serve as a playbook on how best to operate in a place like Rio to minimize the chances of a strike out. And these anecdotes about the times I failed and the analysis of the factors and actions I had taken that lead to those failures, as well as the actions and strategies I employed to increase my chances of getting a really good girl for "take out" who had the most chances of giving a GFE session, are contained in the body of all those reports I wrote back in 2011 and 2012 on the topic.
For example, I learned the hard way some pointers, such as that, unlike the nightclub scene that gets better after midnight, the time to go to the strip club and start the viewing of the various line ups of dancers, and the selection of candidates and interview process, is earlier, and in fact is as soon after 8:00 PM club opening as is practical. This will give one the additional time needed to view as much of the three different line ups in the Rio club that one feels is necessary, and to find out about the girls who most appeal to you those important initial facts such as her name, whether she goes out, and whether she speaks English, which one can find out through a combination of asking the floor manager, or by directly asking the girl oneself. One shortcut to getting a girl's name is to ask the waitress, since the manager is frequently busy and unavailable to you at the moment you need. Another shortcut is for you yourself to get up out of your seat and approach the girl dancing on stage and ask her what her name is and if she speaks English. Asking whether she goes out is best asked to the manager, but to ask the girl directly would have to await when she is sitting at your table, and is best asked only after you have spent time developing a nice rapport with the girl by speaking with her in an entertaining and humorous fashion, and raising the temperature of the chemistry between you and the girl in a private dance with some effective petting to the extent the girl allows, which boundary is to be tested gently. At some point you will have the intuitive feeling of when is the right time to proposition the girl with the idea of coming home with you for some fun.
Also, Just as important as getting there early to allow yourself sufficient time to investigate the possibities, is that you must make your decisions and propositions before 2:00 AM at the latest. This is because otherwise you will find your 3 hour session not possible if the girl is one of those who wants to get back to the club by 5:00 AM closing time, and doesn't want to stay out with you later.
And furthermore, Certainly, if your grooming is not enticing to a young female and your demeanor not entertaining or makes her nervous in any way, your chances of getting a take out date are lessened. So to lessen the chances of strike out, and increase the chances of success, pay attention to all those factors that you would pay attention to in chasing a freebie girl who you want to seduce. There is no guarantee and you cannot order a girl off a menu and she must come with you and comply. It is not an "escort" scenario. A guy who gives off creepy vibes, will fail.
Going into Rio as a clueless newbie, one is bound to make all the mistakes I did, and one may or may not be of the type of person to learn from one's mistakes and overcome obstacles. A number of those who failed just gave up. I didn't. Because at the time, I felt that, of the venues where one could see the girl before selecting her, the strip club was cheaper than what I had seen of the nightclub scene. Therefore it was worth it to figure out how to succeed in nailing some of the very hot girls I saw dancing at Rio. And I wrote about what I learned, in order to serve as a gateway for others. So they don't have to reinvent the wheel and start figuring it all out from the beginning. I intended that If they would read the information I left for them, at least they could enter the club with their eyes open to certain pitfalls, and have a little savvy on how to operate in that club effectively.
Just a few pointers to whet the appetite for more.
Because of the potential of a strike out, a knowledgeable strategy will be helpful in increasing the chances at success in getting the date, as well as getting the type of date known as a GFE, which is of course also not guaranteed. It is something of an art to select wisely and use a good strategy to do so.
So for those newbies intending to experiment with take out of hotties from strip clubs like Rio or it's sister club Mandarin, or even other clubs like Dolls, or the other clubs mentioned in the thorough reports filed by TheKnight, those reports I wrote back then (some of which are referenced on the Reports of Distinction thread) are worth a read.
LJ
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[QUOTE=Prosal;1370242]Honestly, I'd rather drive a Cayenne in this region.[/QUOTE]Not me. Here I would much rather be the driver in a fully equipped and loaded T-90!
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[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1370419][QUOTE=Jojosun; 1370373]To chat with other guys, compare notes, strategize, exchange phone numbers of ladies, etc. I woulr rather meet in a normal, civilized place where tits don't distract the conversation. I like Volkonski, Repriza, Premier Palace, Hyatt or Aroma cafes most. Then is out hunting, at least that is my choice.[/QUOTE]I just spent 16 days in Kyiv! I was either alone, or with girls!
Who the FAWK wants to spend time with 'guys'! ? So my alone time was VERY limited!
So it is the day to leave, I kick out the crazy Luda and then invite over Sasha & Yulia to finish off the whisky, food and smoke cigars!
I promise them a nice lunch at Solo Beer. Awesome brew pub!
Oh wait, I forgot (the night before they came at 6pm and we had a nice jacuzzi session. Then Luda spent the night, then in the morning the girls came again.
$$$$? Nope! I do not DO money, well of course you have to buy shit, and I bring some nice presents, but I LOVE attitude and you do not get attiude when the girl demands a price UPFRONT! We all have 'game', others have other game, this is mine!
So after the smoking, drinking, Yulia sucks me off as Sasha is all over me kissig with boobs out, sitting at the kitchen island!
Ps. The check at Solo Beer was 1456 UAH!
(so I guess I do spend $$$)
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[QUOTE=Tomux 22;1370032]I will not start competition of who knows more how the system works in Ukr. This conversation will not bring any good to forum I agree. Don't forget smart kids that earn grades in honest way. And if to believe my gf yes she did. 23 yo and earn two diploma law and English. I will let you believe you are smartest and greatest guy out there. Take care.[/QUOTE]I am sorry but you really are quite naive. So you have had one experience here with one gf and you can now make a statement about the entire country and how the educational system works from your home outside the country. That is simply amazing. I am not the smartest nor the greatest but I am here and have been for a lot of years. What I am is very experienced and knowledgeable about many things here that you are not and I keep up on a number of events that happen here every day and every year since 1995. When you get some similar experience and some deeper and more complete knowledge about Ukraine and how things actually happen here, which you simply are not even close to achieving, then we can next debate the educational system here.
Until then enjoy your 23 yo English speaking lawyer.
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Pedro, just out of curiosity; what do you pay this guide?
I found out that the last girl I made an appointment with for my upcoming trip is more than 190 cm long in her high heels. She will lick my ass and do anal for hours, but I need a ladder. Seems like a nice girl so hats off for Harry for sharing!
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Umm, yeah, let me know how that turns out for you guys.
[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1370373]
[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1370316]On an Ideal Night. Buddies night out at RIO, CD. Pedro Toronga, Hunter Dave (I confess 4 a while I thought they were the same=) UkeBoy and Irish Lad. BTW Irish Lad can't make Wednesdays. Not even Rio will entice him away from Shooters Club. .
Liljoey can now enjoy a well deserved break. No much point in Preaching to the Converted, LOL "The Original Promotor ".[/QUOTE]
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Lawyer girls are the worst, try a doctor girl.
[QUOTE=Uke Boy;1370473]Until then enjoy your 23 yo English speaking lawyer.[/QUOTE]
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[quote=uke boy; 1370473]i am sorry but you really are quite naive. so you have had one experience here with one gf and you can now make a statement about the entire country and how the educational system works from your home outside the country. that is simply amazing. i am not the smartest nor the greatest but i am here and have been for a lot of years. what i am is very experienced and knowledgeable about many things here that you are not and i keep up on a number of events that happen here every day and every year since 1995. when you get some similar experience and some deeper and more complete knowledge about ukraine and how things actually happen here, which you simply are not even close to achieving, then we can next debate the educational system here.
until then enjoy your 23 yo english speaking lawyer.[/quote]don't tell me how many girls i had since you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. you are making just a stupid assumptions about it) not my problem you bend 23 yo airheads and don't need to cry like a baby of my comment))) i could have told you my story about why i think i know quite a lot about culture in fsu and how things work. i have lived in fsu (not ukr) know some russian and understand mentality and how things work here. but you know, i will keep it for my self since i simply dont care what you think of me. will save you for "95" speech my hero. grow up.
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[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1370417]I had a guide call Alex also (nick name Alyosha or something like that) who drove me many times on his SUV but it was a Mercedes. Maybe the same guy and either you or I have the car wrong, or he got a new one, who knows. I believe to be the same because he also took me to the same museums and others, and he did call girls for me, even drove them back and forth. VEry nice guy, excellent English, married to a doctor called Olga (whom I also met, nice family). I do recommend him very much.[/QUOTE]Thats him! Can't find a better guide in Ukraine in my opinion. He really looked after me both times I was there!
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[QUOTE=Roevskalle; 1370443]I cut a bit in the comments, as it otherwise had been too long.
Thanks for a long and filling answer. It certainly points out many things and in all fairness, I didn't argue just for the sake of arguing. But through this last post, you have also got a message through to me and (possibly) many other people of the importance to read the thread.
You were however wrong in the fact that I haven't read the forum. I actually clicked on your name and checked the previous reports. It was quite impressing. And if you click on my name you will not find a lot. Why is that? Well, I am the type of person who just reads the forum, and I have not really a "home thread" which I follow regularly. Mongering in my country is just the most ridiculously most expensive thing you can do in life, and it also is illegal. And what more, it is illegal for us to even monger abroad! I'm keeping a low profile and I am not reading or writing in the forum where I live. However, when I travel somewhere I have rarely anything to contribute with, as its mostly new places I am researching about. That is when I spend hours and hours in reading the forum. Not bothering asking too much questions, but I must admit that if I see a typical newbie question that is about the most simplistic thing, I am often thankful if someone answers it. Twice or thrice in the thread doesn't matter, as questions often asked may be something worth remembering.
I am not going to be so offensive this time (as my recently post apparently was recieved very offensive). I was just going through the forum upfront my trip to Kiev, but my goal and mission is neither to make enemies, nor irritate people. But I thank you for spending so much time in clearing that up. It is appreciated. Really.
Regards, [/QUOTE]You certainly were not "offensive", Roevskalle, and no offense was taken. You merely seemed to be critical in a newbies versus veterans sort of way, and I wanted to forestall that path, because it is unhelpful. So I wrote what I wrote to get across that veterans want to be helpful to newbies in general, and that newbies should follow the example of reading the thread for a reasonable amount of time going back, in order to get a grasp of the ongoing conversation they are about to enter when posting. It's just like if one approaches a bunch of adult males having a conversation. A person who doesn't want to appear goofy, Would want to know what the topic was and what was said already in the previous few minutes before opening their mouth to say something and join in.
I also followed the thread for a long time as a reader only, and was not posting because I felt I had no information to help others with, and I was just happy to have a resource to be able to learn from. It was only after I had travelled to a destination and learned stuff on my own, that did not have what I felt was enough guidance on the thread, that I began to offer my own opinions about the pros and cons of the p4p options that existed in Kiev in the post-River Palace era at the end of 2010 and beginning of 2011. So my first post was in March of 2011.
So when you have insights and information that you don't see being written about adequately on the thread, you may also become motivated to post your thoughts for the benefit of others.
LJ
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Alex
[QUOTE=UsGrant;1370353]For the best guide I can't recommend alex enough. Go to ukraine! If you weant more info message me![/QUOTE]I'm interested in contact information but it seems you cannot receive PMs. Please message me if you can.
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[QUOTE=UsGrant;1370804]Thats him! Can't find a better guide in Ukraine in my opinion. He really looked after me both times I was there![/QUOTE]UG.
You need to be a paid member so we can message you for Alex's contact info. The small membership fee is well worth it.
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Since we are not talking girls anyway.
On the topic of education in Ukraine; I know that there is some corruption in the educational system, but it also spits out many well educated persons. About two dozen of my employees are Ukrainian, and they are do not only compete but most of them even beat my employees from west Europe, Americas and Asia, no matter how much better our universities are said to be.
I hire people from all over the world but my Ukrainian employees, from simple data handlers and administrative staff to high end technology engineers, are among the most outstanding in their performance. I have respect for the educational system and academic traditions in Ukraine. In addition these people work hard and rarely complain. One just needs to apply sane selection methods in sorting out the fakes from the real ones, just as with any female.
Barba's two cents. Thank you for listening.
B
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Summary?
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1370445]
[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1370152]
[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1370316]It was precisely when I realized that the easy potential for a strike out at Rio existed, and analyzing what went wrong on the several times it happened to me and I went home from Rio alone, that I became convinced of the need to write about the mistakes I had made that lead to those strike outs, and devise the strategies to surmount the problem to the extent possible, toward the end of producing reports here on the thread that could serve as a playbook on how best to operate in a place like Rio to minimize the chances of a strike out. And these anecdotes about the times I failed and the analysis of the factors and actions I had taken that lead to those failures, as well as the actions and strategies I employed to increase my chances of getting a really good girl for "take out" who had the most chances of giving a GFE session, are contained in the body of all those reports I wrote back in 2011 and 2012 on the topic.
For example, I learned the hard way some pointers, such as that, unlike the nightclub scene that gets better after midnight, the time to go to the strip club and start the viewing of the various line ups of dancers, and the selection of candidates and interview process, is earlier, and in fact is as soon after 8:00 PM club opening as is practical. This will give one the additional time needed to view as much of the three different line ups in the Rio club that one feels is necessary, and to find out about the girls who most appeal to you those important initial facts such as her name, whether she goes out, and whether she speaks English, which one can find out through a combination of asking the floor manager, or by directly asking the girl oneself. One shortcut to getting a girl's name is to ask the waitress, since the manager is frequently busy and unavailable to you at the moment you need. Another shortcut is for you yourself to get up out of your seat and approach the girl dancing on stage and ask her what her name is and if she speaks English. Asking whether she goes out is best asked to the manager, but to ask the girl directly would have to await when she is sitting at your table, and is best asked only after you have spent time developing a nice rapport with the girl by speaking with her in an entertaining and humorous fashion, and raising the temperature of the chemistry between you and the girl in a private dance with some effective petting to the extent the girl allows, which boundary is to be tested gently. At some point you will have the intuitive feeling of when is the right time to proposition the girl with the idea of coming home with you for some fun.
Also, Just as important as getting there early to allow yourself sufficient time to investigate the possibities, is that you must make your decisions and propositions before 2:00 AM at the latest. This is because otherwise you will find your 3 hour session not possible if the girl is one of those who wants to get back to the club by 5:00 AM closing time, and doesn't want to stay out with you later.
And furthermore, Certainly, if your grooming is not enticing to a young female and your demeanor not entertaining or makes her nervous in any way, your chances of getting a take out date are lessened. So to lessen the chances of strike out, and increase the chances of success, pay attention to all those factors that you would pay attention to in chasing a freebie girl who you want to seduce. There is no guarantee and you cannot order a girl off a menu and she must come with you and comply. It is not an "escort" scenario. A guy who gives off creepy vibes, will fail.
Going into Rio as a clueless newbie, one is bound to make all the mistakes I did, and one may or may not be of the type of person to learn from one's mistakes and overcome obstacles. A number of those who failed just gave up. I didn't. Because at the time, I felt that, of the venues where one could see the girl before selecting her, the strip club was cheaper than what I had seen of the nightclub scene. Therefore it was worth it to figure out how to succeed in nailing some of the very hot girls I saw dancing at Rio. And I wrote about what I learned, in order to serve as a gateway for others. So they don't have to reinvent the wheel and start figuring it all out from the beginning. I intended that If they would read the information I left for them, at least they could enter the club with their eyes open to certain pitfalls, and have a little savvy on how to operate in that club effectively.
Just a few pointers to whet the appetite for more.
Because of the potential of a strike out, a knowledgeable strategy will be helpful in increasing the chances at success in getting the date, as well as getting the type of date known as a GFE, which is of course also not guaranteed. It is something of an art to select wisely and use a good strategy to do so.
So for those newbies intending to experiment with take out of hotties from strip clubs like Rio or it's sister club Mandarin, or even other clubs like Dolls, or the other clubs mentioned in the thorough reports filed by TheKnight, those reports I wrote back then (some of which are referenced on the Reports of Distinction thread) are worth a read.
LJ[/QUOTE]LilJoey,
You obviously put a lot of efforts in to writing these very long and detailed posts on this board and I really would like to read some of them as I am sure you are an experienced monger and no doubt, have a great deal to contribute to the success of this board but could I put in a request for a summary of the main points? Sometimes more is not better. Do you agree?
Regards
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[QUOTE=LifeSavour; 1370472][QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1370419]I just spent 16 days in Kyiv! I was either alone, or with girls!
Who the FAWK wants to spend time with 'guys'! ? So my alone time was VERY limited!
So it is the day to leave, I kick out the crazy Luda and then invite over Sasha & Yulia to finish off the whisky, food and smoke cigars!
I promise them a nice lunch at Solo Beer. Awesome brew pub!
Oh wait, I forgot (the night before they came at 6pm and we had a nice jacuzzi session. Then Luda spent the night, then in the morning the girls came again.
$$$$? Nope! I do not DO money, well of course you have to buy shit, and I bring some nice presents, but I LOVE attitude and you do not get attiude when the girl demands a price UPFRONT! We all have 'game', others have other game, this is mine!
So after the smoking, drinking, Yulia sucks me off as Sasha is all over me kissig with boobs out, sitting at the kitchen island!
Ps. The check at Solo Beer was 1456 UAH!
(so I guess I do spend $$$) [/QUOTE]Pack of lies my friend, all an illusion.
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[QUOTE=Poker Player 2; 1371119][QUOTE=LilJoey; 1370445][QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1370152]LilJoey,
You obviously put a lot of efforts in to writing these very long and detailed posts on this board and I really would like to read some of them as I am sure you are an experienced monger and no doubt, have a great deal to contribute to the success of this board but could I put in a request for a summary of the main points? Sometimes more is not better. Do you agree?
Regards[/QUOTE]My work is done, friend. To the foregoing comments in the last post about proper timing of your mongering efforts in a place like Rio, and the importance of grooming, good humor and game, in seeking a take out, I would say, when you take out a girl, get the sex done first, and then do other stuff like take her to a nightclub or for karaoke etc, as the assumption that you will get sex at the very end of the three hours may not turn out that way. So bring her straight back to your apartment / hotel room, offer some nice drinks and refreshments (you should buy these and stock up beforehand, but if you haven't already done so, you can have your taxi driver stop at an all night supermarket and take the girl in to buy her what she wants to eat / drink. The supermarket will have Baileys or some Champagne or some white wine that the girl will like) , have a little nice conversation and set a fun mood, then suggest going to wash up in the shower or jacuzzi and get it on with her, for as much and as long as you desire. Then if there is time left, you can offer to take her out to a night spot. Doing it the other way around, puts the sex time at risk, as some members have learned the hard way. In my prior posts you will find a description of the club layout and the nature of the three line ups of girls that dance, which I shall not repeat here. Be proactive in trying to meet a girl you want to get to know about. That means that if the manager, whom you have or will tip 100 UAH, is not available to you at the moment, you should take the initiative and get up and approach any girl while she dances. This is certainly ok if you are giving her a 50 UAH tip and tucking it in her bikini, but even if you are not tipping the girl every time you get up, you can simply ask her name, see if she speaks English and tell her she dances beautifully. Also the waitress is a resource for girls' names. Take notes about the girls you like, so you can ask for them by name later, if you want them to come sit at your table. If you think a particular line up out of the three is lame after sitting for a reasonable while, ask to move to another bar with a different line up, so you don't just waste time. There's a VIP line up, an upstairs line up, and a downstairs line up. To this should be added a discussion of how to look for a girl who will give a GFE. But this is relevant to meeting girls in all venues, whether strip clubs, nightclubs, on the street, wherever, so I will not write about that here.
That's your "summary". Go and read the rest on the thread to the extent you can and you will benefit thereby. Use the references in the ROD thread to get to some of my prior posts on Rio. Use the "view forum posts" feature that you can access by clicking on a members username to access a list of their prior reports for the most recent period, when you find a member whose writings seem to contain usable content.
Happy mongering,
LJ
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[QUOTE=Yellowpaul; 1371009]UG.
You need to be a paid member so we can message you for Alex's contact info. The small membership fee is well worth it.[/QUOTE]Thanks ill do it!
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Friend? Who the fawk R U?
[QUOTE=How14; 1371133][QUOTE=LifeSavour; 1370472]Pack of lies my friend, all an illusion.[/QUOTE]I looked at your posts and YOU have to hold the honor of most REPORTS deleted by ADMIN!
What do you know of Ukraine or Kyiv for that matter? You attack? Based on what?
To boldly make such statements about a guy you do not know is amazing!
I will NOT have any more discourse with you, oh yes I love a battle of wits! But!
I NEVER fight an "unarmed" man!
Quote me on this: " light travels faster than sound ". That is why some How's seem BRIGHT, until you HEAR them speak!
Score is NOW " 1. 0 "!
LS Guy!
Ps. If I wrote BS, there are other seniors on here that do know me and have met me and they KNOW!
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[QUOTE=Poker Player 2; 1371119]
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1370445]My work is done, friend. That's your "summary". Go and read the rest on the thread to the extent you can and you will benefit thereby. Use the references in the ROD thread to get to some of my prior posts on Rio. Use the "view forum posts" feature that you can access by clicking on a members username to access a list of their prior reports for the most recent period, when you find a member whose writings seem to contain usable content.
Happy LJ[/QUOTE]How many times can you write about a strip club? Apparently a lot.
RIO is a strip club in the center of Kiev. A few of the girls are good looking but most are average (for Kiev). There are three floors. It cost $300 to take a girl back to your apartment / hotel to have sex with her for three or so hours, that is if she is willing. The cover to enter the club is 200uah.
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[QUOTE=How14; 1370472]Pack of lies my friend, all an illusion.[/QUOTE]Seems more than viable for some average girls from the Vil.
1400uah plus? Overpaid for sure.
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More on Rio.
[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1371272][QUOTE=LilJoey;
How many times can you write about a strip club? Apparently a lot.
RIO is a strip club in the center of Kiev. A few of the girls are good looking but most are average (for Kiev). There are three floors. It cost $300 to take a girl back to your apartment / hotel to have sex with her for three or so hours, that is if she is willing. The cover to enter the club is 200uah.
End.[/QUOTE]They charged me 100 uah entrance. Once I paid 200uah for the 2 of us, me and my Dyke wingwoman.
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Mamba Slaps
I got Mamba Slapped!
One of my daaahlings had these choice words to share with me, LOL:
"not for all the money in the world I do not sleep with you"
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[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1371277]Seems more than viable for some average girls from the Vil.
1400uah plus? Overpaid for sure.[/QUOTE]I'm more then willing to step up to the 24-34 age group as many of these women sometimes look much younger and are more willing to please but from the looks of those pictures I draw the line at extra pounds! LOL.
My general rule of thumb. She's got to weight a lot less then me.
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Hey D man.
[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1371277]Seems more than viable for some average girls from the Vil.
1400uah plus? Overpaid for sure.[/QUOTE]1400 was the check at the brew pub. The table was me, the 2 girls, and my best "drug" and his wife and 2 sons! We sat for 3 hours. I sampled each of the beers and we ate!
Overpaid what?
I still want to meet you. Still can't believe some of the stuff you spout!
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[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1371272]How many times can you write about a strip club? Apparently a lot.
RIO is a strip club in the center of Kiev. A few of the girls are good looking but most are average (for Kiev). There are three floors. It cost $300 to take a girl back to your apartment / hotel to have sex with her for three or so hours, that is if she is willing. The cover to enter the club is 200uah.
End.[/QUOTE]Well said, concise and right on target.
Nothing more needs to be said but if it is, then it is just a return to promotion of this crap club by a paid shill.
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I asked some of you in private but take a chance here as well. Anyone that knows and can share contact details to a girl in Kiev with large natural breasts? I will share a bunch of contacts in return.
B.
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Guide
[QUOTE=Barba; 1370482]Pedro, just out of curiosity; what do you pay this guide?
I found out that the last girl I made an appointment with for my upcoming trip is more than 190 cm long in her high heels. She will lick my ass and do anal for hours, but I need a ladder. Seems like a nice girl so hats off for Harry for sharing![/QUOTE]Barba, I used that guide the first 2 or 3 times I visited Kiev. 6 years ago. Since then I have been going religiously (hey, others go to Mecca!) every 60 to 70 days. I used to pay that guy Alex some $50 per day. I imagine his fee must be higher. I envy you about your guide, I surely did not expect that service from Alex. I would very much like to meet your guide provided that the ass being done is hers, not mine (especially 'for hours'). I am OK using a ladder, I am not afraid of heights.
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Well, Not sure
[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1370488]Umm, yeah, let me know how that turns out for you guys.
[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1370373][/QUOTE]Let's put it this way: one of us will get the drinks on the house, and it would not be me. As we see in other recent postings, the endless promotion. Well, it does not end! Should we keep denouncing it? It is getting old and tired, but newbies seeking advice should probably be warned.
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I vouch for all you said
[QUOTE=Barba; 1371030]On the topic of education in Ukraine; I know that there is some corruption in the educational system, but it also spits out many well educated persons. About two dozen of my employees are Ukrainian, and they are do not only compete but most of them even beat my employees from west Europe, Americas and Asia, no matter how much better our universities are said to be.
I hire people from all over the world but my Ukrainian employees, from simple data handlers and administrative staff to high end technology engineers, are among the most outstanding in their performance. I have respect for the educational system and academic traditions in Ukraine. In addition these people work hard and rarely complain. One just needs to apply sane selection methods in sorting out the fakes from the real ones, just as with any female.
Barba's two cents. Thank you for listening.
B[/QUOTE]Barba, we live parallel lives with almost identical experience. I have employees in several countries also, and those in UA are my very best, super nice people, excellent education and very strong work ethics. Some are truly friends of mine, and others I wish they where something even closer. But painful as it is (and it is very painful!) I keep work and play separate.
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It was not me.
[QUOTE=How14; 1371133]
[QUOTE=LifeSavour; 1370472]Pack of lies my friend, all an illusion.[/QUOTE]Somehow the board attributes that pack of lies to me. I did not say that! Those are not my words / lies. I second the opinion that the 'I don't pay' story is complete bullshit.
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Ditto
[QUOTE=Uke Boy; 1371325]Well said, concise and right on target.
Nothing more needs to be said but if it is, then it is just a return to promotion of this crap club by a paid shill.[/QUOTE]Yes, please give us all a BREAK and stop misleading newbies into a horny-tourist trap. Then we can be all friends.
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[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1370316]It was precisely when I realized that the easy potential for a strike out at Rio existed.
LJ[/QUOTE]Serious?) The expression "couldn't pull in a brothel" springs to mind.
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Think of it as a Positive.
[QUOTE=Uke Boy; 1371325]Well said, concise and right on target.
Nothing more needs to be said but if it is, then it is just a return to promotion of this crap club by a paid shill.[/QUOTE]Hello Old Boy.
Look on it in a Positive Light. According to Research done at Central Lancashire University, Repetitive Tasks gives People the chance to Daydream and that enables some to to come up with Good Ideas.
Research has discovered, when given passive activities to complete, people become Creative in Other Areas. .
Wait and see what happens in "Other Areas ".
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Tineye
[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1369894]Thank You Irish Lad 4 the tips on uploading the photos. LOL. You might be a bit of a Lad and Irish as well, but 4 sure you ain't that Green,"Born In Nigeria ".
Well here are the rest of the Photos sent to me by Mamba Girl.
IL or anyone. How can one check on the Origin of these Photos which don't look to me as Photoshopped, not the I know about photo-shopping anyway.[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.tineye.com/faq[/url]
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[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1371422]Barba, we live parallel lives with almost identical experience.[/QUOTE]Pedro, let our circles meet. I could be fruitful to share experiences. I just sent you a message (including contact info to the tall girl).
B.
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Surely IL must have told you there is no fiction to my friction.
[QUOTE=LifeSavour; 1371309]1400 was the check at the brew pub. The table was me, the 2 girls, and my best "drug" and his wife and 2 sons! We sat for 3 hours. I sampled each of the beers and we ate!
Overpaid what?
I still want to meet you. Still can't believe some of the stuff you spout![/QUOTE]
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I seriously don't think LJ is a shill. I just think he want to contribute and RIO is all he has.
[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1371418]
[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1370488]Umm, yeah, let me know how that turns out for you guys.
Let's put it this way: one of us will get the drinks on the house, and it would not be me. As we see in other recent postings, the endless promotion. Well, it does not end! Should we keep denouncing it? It is getting old and tired, but newbies seeking advice should probably be warned.[/QUOTE].[/QUOTE]
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2013. Still hunting flat girls
Maybe you have encountered "my" flat chested Christmas or new years angel by now?
If so, let me know and PM me with details! PLEASE.
[QUOTE=DoctorOral;1353486]If anyone has a flat girl like this one in the portfolio, I would love to exchange my portfolio with his by PM.[/QUOTE]
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Are you talking about the guy or the girl?
What did your name used to be on here?
[QUOTE=DoctorOral; 1371639]Maybe you have encountered "my" flat chested Christmas or new years angel by now?
If so, let me know and PM me with details! PLEASE.[/QUOTE]
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Guy or girl
Funny, cruiser!
The girl that looks like a boy!
Wally was my name. And yours?
[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1371649]Are you talking about the guy or the girl?
What did your name used to be on here?[/QUOTE]
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Not HER, but slim girls
I am not talking about this particular one.
I just gave you a vision of what!
[QUOTE=DoctorOral; 1371683]Funny, cruiser!
The girl that looks like a boy!
Wally was my name. And yours?[/QUOTE]
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LJ and RIO.
[QUOTE=Cruiser D;1371635]I seriously don't think LJ is a shill. I just think he want to contribute and RIO is all he has.[/QUOTE]I concur with Your Thoughts about the "Shill Business ".
LJ has also contributed a lot to the KIEV thread and not just to the Pros of RIO Club V Other mongering options in KIEV and in "Details ".
Obviously and he makes no secret about it, he is a big fan of the club and says, its more convenient for him than other mongering options in KIEV.
Why should this bother anyone else.
Even if someone is Promoting a club or a Venue on here, So what?
Going to a any Strip Club or a Club with WGS in KIEV or anywhere else, provided one thinks with his Brain not his Dick, he should be more than OK.
Shilling by anyone doesn't bother me at all, what gets on my fucking nerves sometimes, members who reincarnate themselves here every now and then under different names.
And TBH, Apologies in advance to LJ, I keep thinking that LJ was in previous years AsianChaos, whom I really enjoyed reading his posts at the time.
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So Where are all YOUR reports on the nightclub scene? Still Waiting For Them.
[QUOTE=Cruiser D;1371635]I seriously don't think LJ is a shill. I just think he want to contribute and RIO is all he has.[/QUOTE]A fair reading of my writings on this thread would demonstrate to any fair minded person that I have covered all the options for mongering in Kiev, and provide information, guidance, comparisons and analysis of pros and cons, etc. On all those options. So, no, Rio is not all I have, CD, and I haven't written anything in depth on it in quite some time.
Factually, I was not the one who brought up the topic of Rio for a discussion recently. I merely responded to the comments made on the thread that it was possible to "strike out" at the Rio club and fail to get a "take out" date. Those comments were posted by Pedro and by you, CD. So in response to those observations, I considered it might be helpful to post a few tips on how to avoid that result, and avoid some common mistakes that could result in failing to get a "take out" date from there. Then a a different member asked for a summary of other tips, which I responded to in abbreviated fashion. In both posts, I referred members to my previous posts for more in depth coverage, because I consider my previous writings on Rio earlier in the thread in 2011 and 2012, and the links to some of it on the ROD thread, to be sufficient to give newbies the benefit of my insights about mongering there. (My comments go far beyond the entrance and take out fees charged, that you mentioned, and get into a lot of tips about how best to operate within that club to get the best result, something that can actually help members avoid failing to get a good take out date, which is important, IMHO.)
In addition to Rio, I have written quite a bit about various Internet escort options I have tried, and I have written quite a bit about my usage of mamba, and recommendations concerning it.
At this point, I have so many numbers of good girls from River Palace, top-modals. Com and mamba. Ru, that it is difficult for me to find time in a three night weekend visit, to meet other new girls, if I want to see the girls I already met and like, each time I visit. I would say that I am now relying primarily on mamba girl contacts, and I am appreciating the savings of $$$ due to the lower hourly prices of mamba girls compared to the nightclub and strip club girls. But let's face it, Mamba girls also can get pricey when talking to them about staying all night and having sex again in the morning. On a short trip, I would still go in to Rio and maybe pull from there one night and splurge on a higher cost date if I found a girl that knocked my socks off dancing there. But for most of my dates, it has been mamba girls that have been over to my apartment for sex on my last two trips in October and November of 2012.
I will be in Kiev for the President's Weekend of February 15. 18. I will be traveling with a wingman who also likes the nightclub scene, so I will try to come up for air from eating mamba pussy, for long enough time to take him to some of the nightclubs at least Friday and Saturday nights. Who knows, maybe I will finally get to see you in action, CD, since you haven't been telling us your nightclub stories here on the thread, and I shall assume you haven't been just sitting around the whole time you were in Kiev last summer / fall, and now this month.
I shall not respond to IL's unkind words except to say to him the same thing I say to you, CD, that it would be more helpful if he would file action reports on the thread about the goings on in the nightclubs. Colorful descriptions and anecdotes would do far more to attract the members and give them to understand the possibilities in the nightclubs far better than tossing pejorative comments my way.
With respect
LJ
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DoctorOral, you should try the Philippines unless you already did that. Yes, she is 18 (and some days).
I will keep my eyes open for you in Kiev, as always.
Sorry for the off topic picture, guys.
B
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[QUOTE=DoctorOral; 1371683]Funny, cruiser!
Wally was my name. ?[/QUOTE]Wallyally? Nice name, Why did you change it.
Of course none of my fucking business anyway, just Curious.
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Yeah!
Yeah, thank you. THAT, and in Kiev, and blonde!
[QUOTE=Barba; 1371734]DoctorOral, you should try the Philippines unless you already did that. Yes, she is 18 (and some days).
I will keep my eyes open for you in Kiev, as always.
Sorry for the off topic picture, guys.
B[/QUOTE]
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I realized at least one of you LOVES it, too.
I realized at least one of you LOVES it, too.
[QUOTE=DoctorOral;1371903]Yeah, thank you. THAT, and in Kiev, and blonde![/QUOTE]
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Wtf?
For some reason Ljs reports are no longer visible to me when I log in. Must be on my ignore list but I didn't activate that.
However, my JOKE about striking out in Rio was not aimed at LJ in any way. My impression of RIO was that it's a takeaway where you see the menu first. A "buffet" if you like. The idea of not being able to pull seems odd to me when I know guys who go there and skip the previews, they just meet the girls and leave. If some girls aren't available for take out then there are several reasons I presume for this. 1. They are never available 2. They are having their period or 3. They are available just not to me / you or whoever is asking. Now, if RIO is for the those who want a guarantee and have no game, are short on time or are lazy and if number 3 applies to you / me then that's real bad.
Here are some recent reports by myself on alternatives. I pay my way.
[QUOTE=Irish Lad; 1331144]Yes,
It has been a while since I saw a decent report about pulling freebies in Kiev. With all the talk about that shithole Rio and the Princesses in D'Lux, it would be natural to assume that no one scores here any more. Fortunately that's just not the case.
Here's what you need.
1. The right plan. If you're going to a club, get a table. Invite girls to join you, if they are boring or suggest money, throw them off and get some more.
2. Pretend to have game, even if you don't. It's the guy who does the pulling. 100 times more so in the FSU.
3. Don't lose focus. None of this "haven't decided yet" crap. If you fancy a girl and she gives you a glimmer of a response. Go in for the kill. No prisoners.
4. Dress to impress but within your comfort zone. I wear jeans and t-Shirts and don't own a suit. My black and white Casio watch works just fine.
5. Don't get drunk. We all do but your chances plummet.
6. Use mamba to suit your own purposes. Save time by posting your photo on the top line saying "looking for a fun chick to party with tonight". Bring her along until you close with her or find better.
Got to go[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Irish Lad; 1323999]For those who don't do clubbing, there are lots of choices in the centre.
Dockers in passage / Kreschatyk is well worth a visit. They have live music, ok food and no Princesses, just normal girls.
Art 44 on Kreschatyk 44 can be good too. Live music. Edible food and again, regular girls.
Volias on Boulevard Shevchenko 1 (beside Lenins statue) is not bad but the bar area is tiny. Best to take a table next to some girls and wait and see.[/QUOTE]A reply to a "Sorry Babushka question:-
[QUOTE=Irish Lad; 1323987]Have been but wouldn't recommend it to be honest. I found the vibe a bit sinister. Felt all the tables were occupied by mini mafia wannabes with their dolls. Ground floor is a bar with some dancing, upstairs a stage where musicians sang cover songs.
Not much to it, even on a Saturday night. Of course, as always, you can do well here if the right crowd is in. The downstairs bar is ok to hang out at and you never know what can happen.[/QUOTE]Caribbean closed I think.
[QUOTE=Irish Lad;1324111]Shooters without a doubt. Girls are not allowed to work there 100%. They do of course to some degree but it's a place where every one has a sporting chance of getting a result. After that, Avalon should be ok but 10-20% used to be the WG ratio. Caribbean has a 30% ratio I would guess.[/QUOTE]
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Cd kyiv lj
For the last couple of years I haven't gone to any nightclubs in Kyiv with the exception of joining IL at Shooters. The last visit there I should have wrote about because I found it highly entertaining. Since I will be in Kyiv for an extended period of time this trip I will try to send off a report or two like the Cruiser D of old.
The reason for my not going to a nightclub recently is because I do have an extremely large pool of girls on tap. I have been going to nightclubs for a very very long time, while it's enjoyable to socialize with friends and pick off the occasional odd bird here and there. Nightclub tend to be the worst place to meet people, unless of course you are looking for casual sex, which I do realize most people on this board are looking for. I have been going to Kyiv since 2004, when I was in my 30's. While in my 30's in Kyiv I was an unstoppable serial dating maniac (to borrow a term from our hosts). In that time I have cultivated quite the list of extremely hot girls who do what I like, when I want them to do it, girls who look forward to my trips to Kyiv as much as I do. So trips to nightclubs got relegated to social events (and a break from dating / nonstop sex) with friends like IL.
A typical day for Cruiser D in Kyiv would be; wake up around 6am and fuck whichever girl (s) are in my bed, have something to eat, answer a crap load of business and personal emails. Wait for the girls (s) to wake up / leave, go on my lunch date and either have sex with that girl or call a girl in for the afternoon. Head off to a late or early dinner date (depending on my afternoon plans) , maybe or maybe not fuck that girl. Bring in a girl for the late evening or meet a girl on a date, the girl of that night will either stay or leave around 1 or 2am. Repeat, rinse, Repeat again.
Most of the girls I meet in Kyiv come from these sources, in order. Old contacts, mamba, being out in about in Kyiv and interacting. Nightclubs are fun but so is my normal Kyiv schedule. I also find it oddly amusing that a lot of girls I run into know me from mamba profile.
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I don't know if RIO has changed but when I used to be a regular I would say it was 60-40 as to a girl providing 'take out' service.
LJ reports disappearing to you might be board issues. I have the same problem with JoJo, sometimes I can (thankfully) not see his postings, sometimes I can.
The first round of drinks at Buddha Bar is on me. :)
Oddly enough, I think if the 2013 Superbowl Ho Down happens, RIO would be the perfect place for it. I miss the Boat. :(
[QUOTE=Irish Lad; 1371979]I pay my way.
"Sorry Babushka.[/QUOTE]
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Now there are at least two!
[QUOTE=DoctorOral;1371951]I realized at least one of you LOVES it, too.[/QUOTE]Dear DoctorOral, thanks for sharing these lovely photos with us! So many days yet to go here in Central / Middle Europe until blond hair together with sun will touch our skin again.
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Blonde on our skins
Dear ganesha.
This totally depends on you. And me.
Maybe we find a way to exchange experiences and "providers". Even if you can't recieve PMs.
[QUOTE=Ganesha;1372028]Dear DoctorOral, thanks for sharing these lovely photos with us! So many days yet to go here in Central / Middle Europe until blond hair together with sun will touch our skin again.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Cruiser D;1372010]I don't know if RIO has changed but when I used to be a regular I would say it was 60-40 as to a girl providing 'take out' service.[/QUOTE]More like something near 100% now. The girls are all very average and could not make it in a regular strip club setting. Its mostly village girls now with poor English if any.
Rio is a dinosaur, something still lingering around from the days before the internet. Sooner or later, it will go the way of the dodo.
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[QUOTE=Cruiser D;1372010]I don't know if RIO has changed but when I used to be a regular I would say it was 60-40 as to a girl providing 'take out' service.[/QUOTE]Climaxnow just wrote: "More like something near 100% now. The girls are all very average and could not make it in a regular strip club setting. Its mostly village girls now with poor English if any. Rio is a dinosaur, something still lingering around from the days before the internet. Sooner or later, it will go the way of the dodo."
For the sake of accuracy, Climaxnow's comments are entirely inaccurate based upon my personal actual experience and observation during visits to Kiev I made in October and in the end of November 2012. There are a significant percentage of girls at Rio, as in any strip club, who I consider average or above average in looks that don't make the grade to be considered by me to be "hot" like a stripper should be. But there are also plenty of pretty "hot" girls also dancing there, and to ignore that is to falsify. I doubt seriously that the situation has changed at Rio from my visit in November 2012 until now (the middle of January 2013) not even two months later, such that there could have been such a downgrade of the line up at Rio to ALL average girls, as claimed by Climaxnow. Climaxnow has not claimed he recently visited the Rio club. So his opinion is based on a long time ago, and against his opinion are arrayed the opinions of many other members who state, to the contrary, there are a significant number of quite hot girls there. So Climaxnow's opinion can safely be disregarded as inaccurate and biased.
I expect to be in Kiev February 15, and I plan to hit Rio at least one of the nights I am in town, and if there is any update about a significant change to the quality of the line up, I will report on it.
Mind you, I am not saying that the most beautiful girls in Kiev are to be found in a strip club. That too is inaccurate. One can encounter more beautiful women than the strippers, in places like nightclubs and in fact all around town. But that is not the point. You might see more beautiful women in other places in Kiev, but you cannot have sex with them. The point is that in Kiev a fair percentage of the very hot women dancing in the strip club, can be easily had for p4p as a "take out" date from the strip club. And that is the point which a true monger can appreciate.
LJ
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow; 1372046]More like something near 100% now. The girls are all very average and could not make it in a regular strip club setting. Its mostly village girls now with poor English if any.
Rio is a dinosaur, something still lingering around from the days before the internet. Sooner or later, it will go the way of the dodo.[/QUOTE]I don't think the internet is going to replace a time honored place for lonely businessmen, businessmen closing or celebrating a deal or local strip club lovers / groupies as a place to go. Apparently RIO just has recruitment issues. Go to one of the Rhino clubs if you want to see some Ukrainian hotties, they are more traditional western strip clubs, the girls make their money interacting in the club, not outside. I've seen some super hotties going in / out of the one in Arena Citi.
The problem for strip clubs in Kyiv is that if you are age challenged but yet have money to spend you can have just a good of a time, if not better at a nightclub like D'Lux. If you look like you have money the semi pros will find you, more so if you are decent looking.
When I used to be a regular at RIO the group of people that went there for a good time were always Ukrainian or Russian (married) businessmen. I'm sure that hasn't changed.
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow; 1372046]More like something near 100% now. The girls are all very average and could not make it in a regular strip club setting. Its mostly village girls now with poor English if any.
Rio is a dinosaur, something still lingering around from the days before the internet. Sooner or later, it will go the way of the dodo.[/QUOTE]Thank you for sharing this Climaxnow. I was considering to check it out sooner or later, but this reality check together with the advice on the Rhino clubs, bounced my interest for Rio down to just above a guided Saturday evening tour of Verkhovna Rada.
B
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Flat chested
[QUOTE=DoctorOral; 1371639]Maybe you have encountered "my" flat chested Christmas or new years angel by now?
If so, let me know and PM me with details! PLEASE.[/QUOTE]This photo can be found on the following website [url]http://trinixy.ru/37499-devushki-kazantipa-136-foto-nyu.html[/url]
I doubt if she would be posing topless on the beach at Christmas time. Given its a Russain website I doubt she would be in Ukraine.
But I can understand your interest in her.
Ripple.
PS In the spirit of sharing this is my fav photo from this site
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Irish Lad, the link you sent me in response for my five contacts with full contact data is still dead. Do you have other contact information to her?
This might be a coincidence IL, but I think I need to review my exchange policy, because my return seem mostly to be non active profiles or links to "girls" that do not respond. I get this in exchange for my sharing of named, depicted and verified providers. So far very few here in the UA section seems to genuinely understand the benefits from sharing with EACH OTHER.
Barba
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[QUOTE=DoctorOral;1371639]flat chested.[/QUOTE]Flat chested. 19 yo. Russki, from Siberia. On Prosal's bed.
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Just in case anyone forgot
[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1372010]I don't know if RIO has changed but when I used to be a regular I would say it was 60-40 as to a girl providing 'take out' service.
LJ reports disappearing to you might be board issues. I have the same problem with JoJo, sometimes I can (thankfully) not see his postings, sometimes I can.
The first round of drinks at Buddha Bar is on me. .
Oddly enough, I think if the 2013 Superbowl Ho Down happens, RIO would be the perfect place for it. I miss the Boat. .[/QUOTE]Did I mention that RIO totally, completely, end to end, sucks? Because it does, unless you enjoy a small place where you are there alone or with max 4 other disoriented people like you (or me when I went there) , being closely watched by a couple of 'managers' or bouncers that don't take their eyes from your every movement. Strippers who clearly do not enjoy stripping (none ever smiles) , who do not make a secret that they actually despise you (very Russian attitude, unfortunately not limited to that joint as customer service is still a novelty in FSU) and the girls are a solid 8, never a 4 or a 10. Expensive to top it off. Laid is not guaranteed, as the other dudes tell you. The private dances are in a minuscule cubicle consisting of a small bench where you sit, with a curtain as the only privacy allowed. Girls there during pvt dance only allow touching tits. Sorry, not worth it. Yes, I am ready for all the denials and denunciation from the usual suspect under one name or another. Don't believe me? Go and try, is your money, but don't take a Viagra ahead of time adding $20 to the loss. Think: what anyone (me?) has to win by tearing down that place's repute? I don't promote any other, so why would I lie. On the other hand.
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[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1372191]and the girls are a solid 8[/QUOTE]Are we talking about the same Rio? I'm referring to the one across the street from the German Embassy where 6's reign.
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I want her
So give it to me, baby!
[QUOTE=Prosal;1372172]Flat chested. 19 yo. Russki, from Siberia. On Prosal's bed.[/QUOTE]
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Lifesavour, your mailbox is full
It would be nice you clean it, so I can PM you and ask for their number! .
[QUOTE=LifeSavour; 1369618]After living in Kyv for many years this was my 1st venture back in awhile!
So at 18:00 they sms to meet on the street. I suggest the kafe and Sasha asks if I have an apartment. Konishna! They both tell me that it is better if we buy food and whisky and make a party at home! Hmmm, nice plan! And Old Father Christmas sure was smiling on me! In the shop, I am in line to pay and Sasha whispers "You have condoms"? I tell her NO, and you should of seen the look on the cashiers face as she throws down a box!
What a nice time, and these girls are kissing, sucking and licking each other![/QUOTE]
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You Are Awful
[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1372010].
I have the same problem with JoJo, sometimes I can (thankfully) not see his postings, sometimes I can.[/QUOTE]I have the same problem With You, Prosal. AColonizer. .
Being this Thread's "KeyBoard Commando ", I need to see read all posts and Duck Test them as well to verify the info. And as it happens I have a Good memory for a man of my Age. .
Now, was it 2004 first time you landed in Kiev (Your post Yesterday) , or 2005 as per your earlier posts.
LOL. You are Cruel sometimes, Awful all the time, But I like You. .
Enjoy this clip by (DICK) when in you are in KIEV. .
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_CG0frQAKc[/url]
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You Are Awful
[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1372010].
I have the same problem with JoJo, sometimes I can (thankfully) not see his postings, sometimes I can.
.[/QUOTE].
I have the same problem With You, Prosal. AColonizer. .
Being this Thread's "KeyBoard Commando ", I need to see read all posts and Duck Test them as well to verify the info. And as it happens I have a Good memory for a man of my Age. .
Now, was it 2004 first time you landed in Kiev (Your post Yesterday) , or 2005 as per your earlier posts.
LOL. You are Cruel sometimes, Awful all the time, But I like You. .
Enjoy this clip by (DICK) when in you are in KIEV. .
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_CG0frQAKc[/url]
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Check my post
Good evening gents.
This is my reply to the total loser Jojosun in the Minsk section.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2506-Minsk&p=1372595#post1372595[/url]
Just a heads up for this moron.
Cheers and Happy New mongering Year.
/Felix
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[quote=felix nordic;1372606]good evening gents.[/quote]lol. well i kind of like his colorful and chaotic posts, but this cat fight has clearly escalated. i am having one weird pm argument with a guy right now. we are all kings behind the keyboard.
felix, we should take that beer or coffee we talked about some time ago. i still have your number. off to ua mid next week, but before that or later in january i am flexible. i need to hear your stories about minsk first hand, before you are totally sucked into the family swamp with this devotchka. can i get a "lånekort" to your video collection? lol.
my quest for rep002 is progressing. just got this from a girl i met once before.
"do you want to see the rep002 or to make it yourself, to feel it on you or to let me feel it on me and maybe you even want to taste it or to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] in my mouth? that depends what did you hear and learned about it so just what makes you horny."
clearly not as dramatic as i thought. but the other are only prepared to give, and not take.
b
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Fair exchange no robbery
[QUOTE=Barba; 1372171]Irish Lad, the link you sent me in response for my five contacts with full contact data is still dead. Do you have other contact information to her?
This might be a coincidence IL, but I think I need to review my exchange policy, because my return seem mostly to be non active profiles or links to "girls" that do not respond. I get this in exchange for my sharing of named, depicted and verified providers. So far very few here in the UA section seems to genuinely understand the benefits from sharing with EACH OTHER.
Barba[/QUOTE]You have mail.
Of course it's a coincidence. Do I look that type of guy?)
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Allo, Allo.
[QUOTE=Felix Nordic; 1372606]Good evening gents.
This is my reply to the total loser Jojosun in the Minsk section.
Just a heads up for this moron.
/Felix[/QUOTE]Good Moaning Felix.
Look, I really don't know why are you picking on me just because you are having a Pre- Matrimonial Depression, or really because your Your Belarus GF ditched you.
I am assuming she dumped You, as you told the Minsk thread you were " Logging Off " ISG because its getting serious with her and you were getting married. .
So what made you POP up here from under that Rock? . I know, I did.
Now there is fuck all for you to do in your home country, here is a clip from the Allo, Allo TV series. To cheer you up. .
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9HXGlk1HwQ[/url]
Happy 2013 and Happy Wanking
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[QUOTE=Irish Lad;1372664]Of course it's a coincidence. Do I look that type of guy?)[/QUOTE]Me, paranoid? LOL.
Nope, I do not figure you for that type of guy at all, mate. Was mostly bitching and crying on your shoulder. But here are unfortunately more of those wankers than it should be on ISG. Couch travelers and fantasy mongers that spend hours and hours on making fantasy plans with any girl that they got contact information to. Quite sad f*cks, but still annoying!
Response in your inbox, IL.
Cheers!
B.
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[QUOTE=Barba; 1372682]Me, paranoid? LOL.
Nope, I do not figure you for that type of guy at all, mate. Was mostly bitching and crying on your shoulder. But here are unfortunately more of those wankers than it should be on ISG. Couch travelers and fantasy mongers that spend hours and hours on making fantasy plans with any girl that they got contact information to. Quite sad f*cks, but still annoying!
Response in your inbox, IL.
Cheers!
B.[/QUOTE]No worries) Your mailbox now full
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Look at this GUY? Calling me an Asshole?
Doctor OrLOW!
DoctorOral
Senior Member.
Reports.
176.
DoctorOral.
Re: so help.
Very funny, asshole.
Originally Posted by LifeSavour.
Originally Posted by DoctorOral.
Never been EAST 0f Saudi!
Way off topic, but help a SR out? Want to teach science in China. Anyone in education here? Any help?
Thanks in advance!
LS Guy.
Ps. I can help with info about Ukraine! New Years Fun!
So help me.
-flat chested.
-or lesbian.
-or deep deep deepthroat queens.
Thank you.
The girls I was with, none would want me to share! They are very private! But if you "stumble" upon them and you are a nice guy. You could do ok too!
Any of you guys know him? I would LOVE to meet him on the street in Kyiv.
LS "rip your head off and shit down your throat" Guy!
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Rio
[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1372191]Did I mention that RIO totally, completely, end to end, sucks? Because it does, unless you enjoy a small place where you are there alone or with max 4 other disoriented people like you (or me when I went there) , being closely watched by a couple of 'managers' or bouncers that don't take their eyes from your every movement. Strippers who clearly do not enjoy stripping (none ever smiles) , who do not make a secret that they actually despise you (very Russian attitude, unfortunately not limited to that joint as customer service is still a novelty in FSU) and the girls are a solid 8, never a 4 or a 10. Expensive to top it off. Laid is not guaranteed, as the other dudes tell you. The private dances are in a minuscule cubicle consisting of a small bench where you sit, with a curtain as the only privacy allowed. Girls there during pvt dance only allow touching tits. Sorry, not worth it. Yes, I am ready for all the denials and denunciation from the usual suspect under one name or another. Don't believe me? Go and try, is your money, but don't take a Viagra ahead of time adding $20 to the loss. Think: what anyone (me?) has to win by tearing down that place's repute? I don't promote any other, so why would I lie. On the other hand.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information. I travel often to Kiev but never have been in Rio. Based on the reports here seems Rio a good optiom for a quickly hand job or suck and also pick up option. About quality of the girls difficult to discuss because we all have not the same preferences. Prices seems to be also ok. I only wonder if for the normal girls in Kiev has Rio. Bad reputation if I mention I go there? In the past River Palace was ='prostitution
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The club
[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1372219]Are we talking about the same Rio? I'm referring to the one across the street from the German Embassy where 6's reign.[/QUOTE]. I talk about the one next to restaurant Deja Vu, one block from the Opera House. Considering that the average girl in UA is a 7 (for USA standards) , an 8 is not very good. Girls in that club are not fat or ugly, at least the ones I remember form 2 or 3 years ago. Still, not worth going, at all IMHO.
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I think you misread me
[QUOTE=Sponsor74;1372869]Thanks for the information. I travel often to Kiev but never have been in Rio. Based on the reports here seems Rio a good optiom for a quickly hand job or suck and also pick up option. About quality of the girls difficult to discuss because we all have not the same preferences. Prices seems to be also ok. I only wonder if for the normal girls in Kiev has Rio. Bad reputation if I mention I go there? In the past River Palace was ='prostitution[/QUOTE]No, Rio is not a good option for anything at all. It is a terrible option. Sorry If I have you the wrong impression.
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Barba.
[QUOTE=Barba; 1372645]LOL. Well I kind of like his colorful and chaotic posts, but this cat fight has clearly escalated. I am having one weird PM argument with a guy right now. We are all kings behind the keyboard.
Felix, we should take that beer or coffee we talked about some time ago. I still have your number. .
B[/QUOTE]Thanks Barba For your kind words. As it happens I kinda like what I post, and of course I enjoy reading a lot of posts here including Yours. .
The only thing that gets on My Tits with Felix's Posts, is his Fucking Annoying Habit of Greetings in his posts " Good Evening Gentelmen ". Like I said in the Minsk thread, he ignores Old Pricks here, Different Time Zones for people different genders (Including My Dyke Friend and Wingwoman) here Reading the Thread all over the world.
Its not a Cat Fight as far as I am concerned, so much so, that I am willing to buy Felix a round of Drinks anywhere we meet to tell him among other things, Just say Hi, Hello. Short and Sweet. .
. And if you do get to meet him first, find out if he is Suffering with Male menopause also called andropause which can occur naturally in some men. More often than not, though, andropause is triggered by.
Depression, dementia, Obesity.
His Rants show some of the above Symptoms.
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Well
[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1372914]No, Rio is not a good option for anything at all. It is a terrible option. Sorry If I have you the wrong impression.[/QUOTE]There is no such saying that is bad and that is good. All depends on your needs and what of the person you are. As for me I like sometimes just to sit, talk and share some drinks with the girl. Value for money? Not at all, do I give a fuck, no! As for me I don't like Rio at all. Last time I was visiting a strip club in Kiev I went to "Gorod", its rather small place. Most girls can`t even speak English (I can some Russian, and they find it rather charming). Drinks at that time was at the same price as yours, no need to spend huge amount of money. All in all it was a great and cheap night with one more telephone number on my phone.
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Semi Pro
Hi,
Can anyone give links or give some information regarding the semi pros in Kiev?
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Yes, it's across the street from the German Embassy.
Don't you guys ever open your eyes?
[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1372907]. I talk about the one next to restaurant Deja Vu, one block from the Opera House. Considering that the average girl in UA is a 7 (for USA standards) , an 8 is not very good. Girls in that club are not fat or ugly, at least the ones I remember form 2 or 3 years ago. Still, not worth going, at all IMHO.[/QUOTE]
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Taste
Gentlemen,
Bickering back and forth about rating girls is foolish. I really cannot comment much on Kiev girls, but I have lots of experience elsewhere. As I have stated in other threads, you cannot account for taste.
I go into FKKs where there may be 60-80 girls. I like petite brunette spinners and there may be 20-30% that fit the bill. At the same time, there are plenty of the rounder, big-titted girls (who I would not consider paying to fuck) , or tall girls, or blondes, that are drawing attention.
Who is right? I am, of course. But so are all of you. Why is anyone arguing whether RIO has a bunch of 6s or a bunch of 8s? Your 8 may not be my 8 and your 6 may not be my 6. Guys like very different things.
I am certainly up for a lively discussion but civility makes the discussion flow that much better.
-YPL
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Semi pro
CyberRem.
Always a pleasure to find these dumb questions. So let me give you a smart answer: mamba. Ru!
[QUOTE=CyberRem; 1372978]Hi,
Can anyone give links or give some information regarding the semi pros in Kiev?[/QUOTE]
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Lifesavour
Lifesavour proves to be what I called him before. LOL!
[QUOTE=LifeSavour; 1372851]Doctor OrLOW!
LS "rip your head off and shit down your throat" Guy![/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=DoctorOral; 1373151]CyberRem.
Always a pleasure to find these dumb questions. So let me give you a smart answer: mamba. Ru![/QUOTE]Mamba is not that great, don't know why so many here are overhappy about cheap and stupid working girls on that site. Try rather other sites and sure best option just do the hunt in Kiev.
Gl!
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Barba.
[QUOTE=Barba; 1372171]Do you have other contact information?
So far very few here in the UA section seems to genuinely understand the benefits from sharing with EACH OTHER.
Barba[/QUOTE]Hi Barba,
Nothing is Expected or wanted in return for the info sent to You. Check your Box.
My hands are already more than full.
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[QUOTE=Tomux 22;1373317]Mamba is not that great, don't know why so many here are overhappy about cheap and stupid working girls on that site. Try rather other sites and sure best option just do the hunt in Kiev.[/QUOTE]Great, another useless post. You put down another person's contribution without giving any substantive alternative."Other sites." Yeah, that is useful.
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Alternatives to Kiev.
[QUOTE=Felix Nordic; 1372606]Good evening gents.
This is my reply to the total loser Jojosun in the Minsk section.
Just a heads up for this moron.
Cheers and Happy New mongering Year.
/Felix[/QUOTE].
Hi Felix.
Read more than once and did a Lot of research on Your Tips on The Central Republics of ASIA as Alternatives to KIEV, but quite honestly do not look very promising to me anyway.
" Ditch KIEV " to go there.
"Have you even been to central Asia? Tashekent even more important as you like to mention it. I was in Tashkent and Uzbekistan, Kirgizstan and Kazakstan in 2010. In Bishkek in Kirgizstan I dated a few girls because I was there for 2 weeks. It was great fun. However my travelling mate did what he could to stop me. I had a hooker from Mamba that cost me USD 30 including anal, golden rain and CIM for 2 hours. Prices like this is not out of reach in Uzb. You can have a girl for a USD 100 for a night. I had girls uploaded for that but was not given the chance as I was traveling with a mate not at all into mongering, but only tourism. For sure, Uzb is not like hot overpriced Kiev, but with a bit of work you.
Will be rewarded. For P4P only and as a fresh man, (ditch Kiev! Again) , a fool and his money.
Darn man, do something else or get your posts straingt. You need a reality check! Big time!".
Felix 's order to me (Ditch Kiev) Post 9569 dated 4- 10. 2012.
Would anyone here "Ditch Kiev" and head to BishBISH in Kirgizstan, or ShushShush in Kazakstan aka Shushstan? . .
Did you hear the one about the comic who so thoroughly offended a foreign country he could face legal action from its government?
Sacha Baron Cohen, star of the "the Ali G Show," is doing his part to put Howard Stern's FCC battles into perspective. Kazakhstan's Foreign Ministry is threatening to sue him for portraying the central Asian state in a "derogatory way." The 34-year-old British comic is under attack for "Borat Sagdiyev," a faux Kazakh TV personality he plays, who gleefully describes his countrymen as drunken sexual deviants.
Earlier this month, Cohen appeared as Borat to host the MTV Europe Music awards show in Lisbon, telling the audience that he arrived on an "Air Kazakh" aircraft, a propeller plane flown by a vodka-swilling pilot.
On his wildly popular HBO show, Cohen's Borat describes himself as the "sixth best known Kazakh in the world." He ruminates over "the terrible events of 7-11" and asks questions such as,"Is Disneyland part of the U. N?"
"In the USA and A. They treat horses like we in Kazakhstan treat our women," he says in one episode."They feed them two times a day. They have them sleep on straw in a small box. And for entertainment, they make them jump over fences while being whipped."
Cheers
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[QUOTE=YummyPL; 1373362]Great, another useless post. You put down another person's contribution without giving any substantive alternative."Other sites." Yeah, that is useful.[/QUOTE]There is endless discussions about other sites on this forum. Just an easy research that would take you a few min would find you those. Anything then mamba is much better in my opinion as long as its not a scamming site that even a 5 yo would detect.
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Spare us
[QUOTE=Tomux 22;1373424]There is endless discussions .[/QUOTE]There is endless slandering and foundless exaggerations about Mamba, and sometimes also against Rio, in this forum, probably from persons who are paid to drag customers away, or persons with similar shady motivations to do anti-propaganda. Give us a break, so this forum can have some meaningful discussion.
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Hi buddy!
[quote=roll buzz;1373458]there is endless slandering and foundless exaggerations about mamba, and sometimes also against rio, in this forum, probably from persons who are paid to drag customers away, or persons with similar shady motivations to do anti-propaganda. give us a break, so this forum can have some meaningful discussion.[/quote]i don't mind you and some others to think my posts are useless and not doing any good to this forum. you can simply ignore them or send a message to a moderator if i by any means broke rules of this forum. kiev is a great city, full of smart, elegant and true women. and every time a new member seeks advise there is two options given rio and mamba by some few "respected" members of this forum. i think its important to say kiev has got much more to offer then that! now why i say i don't like mamba that's because most messages you get back are "600gr / hr". instead of using other sites to seduce sex hungry women. yes there is plenty of them, the last one i had was mother theresa by her words. next thing i know she is telling me of her sex fantasy and asking me to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] on her slap her butt hard while i fucking her hard from behind. now which option is better 600 hr / h or the other one is probably individual. so my experience with other sites are much much better. the best part is getting it free of charge and having all that exitment seducing which i just love. the point is people should know there is other options in this city. why don't i like rio, well in general i don't visit strip clubs to often since basicly its waist of money even i can have great times there. but for me some other options then rio seems better. i have mentioned gorod in one of my prevues posts. i think quality of girls there was great, its small and intimate (i like that). no additional costs on girls drinks and i got a tlf number of one of the girls. now all is a matter of taste and preference, but for me other options in kiev seem better.
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[QUOTE=Tomux 22;1373424]There is endless discussions about other sites on this forum. Just an easy research that would take you a few min would find you those. Anything then mamba is much better in my opinion as long as its not a scamming site that even a 5 yo would detect.[/QUOTE]I have read this thread back to the start of 2010. I am not aware of any free site other than mamba discussed where one can find easy independent and agency P4P options and the potential for freebies. Maybe top model is OK. For me vk.com seems to be a good hunting ground for freebies but not P4P. I am all for freebies but this is a mongering forum after all and information about how to successfully monger is what most people come here for. What the different options are that the various venues and websites provide is probably the most useful to the visiting monger.
I'd still love some more info about the streetwalker scene but have not gotten much feedback.
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Sim Card
Can anyone suggest a pre-paid sim card provider which includes data for Kiev? What is a popular network?
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[QUOTE=YummyPL;1373508]Can anyone suggest a pre-paid sim card provider which includes data for Kiev? What is a popular network?[/QUOTE]You can get this info in many of my prior posts. Kievstar and MTC are two telephone providers with offices on Bogdana Khmielnitskogo. You can get SIM cards at their offices. I went into Kievstar with an unlocked Blackberry and they said they can't handle the data aspect for a Blackberry, and I should go to MTC.
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[QUOTE=LilJoey;1373525]You can get this info in many of my prior posts. Kievstar and MTC are two telephone providers with offices on Bogdana Khmielnitskogo. You can get SIM cards at their offices. I went into Kievstar with an unlocked Blackberry and they said they can't handle the data aspect for a Blackberry, and I should go to MTC.[/QUOTE]Thanks LJ. I know MTC is good for phone, but I am more concerned about data. I can only assume there will be no issue with a iphone.
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Data sim
I talked to the people at MTC in passage a year ago. They configured my phone so I have data access with a prepaid card.
I use around 50 grn per day now for data.
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[QUOTE=YummyPL;1373546]Thanks LJ. I know MTC is good for phone, but I am more concerned about data. I can only assume there will be no issue with a iphone.[/QUOTE]I was inquiring specifically about data access, as I mentioned. I just mentioned the problem that Kievstar had for providing data for a Blackberry, as that will be helpful to those who would be using a Blackberry for this. I didn't ask about iPhone data at Kievstar office.
I couldn't free up my iPhone for a local SIM card because My iPhone remains with my own cell number back in the USA so that I can be reached from USA by all those who may need to contact me, and I purchase a data plan from my home provider to cover data usage for emails and other data usage, such as Google Translate, but I try to keep this limited when I am out and about, and mainly I use it to open emails when I am in my apartment and have a free wireless connection.
But I will be bringing a mini iPad with me next time, and want to get a data plan from a local Ukrainian provider for it, so I can use the Google Translator more economically around town
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MTS and KyivStar are the two biggest and popular providers. No problems with an unlocked iphone.
You don't have to go to a carrier owned store to get a sim card or service. Mobile phone stores are all over the place in Kyiv. You can use the kiosk to top off your account 24/7.
[QUOTE=YummyPL;1373508]Can anyone suggest a pre-paid sim card provider which includes data for Kiev? What is a popular network?[/QUOTE]
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That's life
[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1373672]MTS and KyivStar are the two biggest and popular providers. No problems with an unlocked iphone.
You don't have to go to a carrier owned store to get a sim card or service. Mobile phone stores are all over the place in Kyiv. You can use the kiosk to top off your account 24/7.[/QUOTE]I had Kievstar on my iphone, then MTC.
Life for iPhone and internet is by far the best in terms of reception and cost.
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[QUOTE=YummyPL; 1373473]I have read this thread back to the start of 2010. I am not aware of any free site other than mamba discussed where one can find easy independent and agency P4P options and the potential for freebies. Maybe top model is OK. For me vk. Com seems to be a good hunting ground for freebies but not P4P. I am all for freebies but this is a mongering forum after all and information about how to successfully monger is what most people come here for. What the different options are that the various venues and websites provide is probably the most useful to the visiting monger.
I'd still love some more info about the streetwalker scene but have not gotten much feedback.[/QUOTE]There is no real "streetwalker" scene in Kiev which would explain the lack of feedback.
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[QUOTE=Irish Lad;1373676]There is no real "streetwalker" scene in Kiev which would explain the lack of feedback.[/QUOTE]Thanks IL. I heard there were streetwalkers around McDonalds and Independence Square-not much more than that. I assume now that these are just normal prostitutes that just happen to be outside in these areas rather than streetwalkers that do it on a consistent basis.
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[QUOTE=YummyPL;1373687]Thanks IL. I heard there were streetwalkers around McDonalds and Independence Square-not much more than that. I assume now that these are just normal prostitutes that just happen to be outside in these areas rather than streetwalkers that do it on a consistent basis.[/QUOTE]Yeah. It's different here to other cities. I guess the cops would just hassle them. Odessa has a little scene going. Along Kreschatyk, close to M&S, you'll often see a few girls sitting on the benches that are open to proposition rather than outright hawking themselves.
Having said that, this being Kiev, anything can happen. I am often approached by girls offering a coffee. On one occasion I said "no thanks. I am married" and the woman said "and so, you fuck your wife, you can also fuck me".
Also, with sponsorship being very much understood here, it's possible to offer meetings with a higher percentage of girls than you think in return for material support. A typical conversation could go like this. Man asks 'what you searching for?" Girl replies "husband, and you?". Man replies " nothing serious, just fun". Girl replies "ok. Material help included?". Now that isn't to say she sees herself as a prostitute, nor the man sees her as one. More the fact she needs to shop, you need fun. In riverpalace many years ago a girl said to me "I'm not a prostitute, I just need the money". Now that reads like a joke but actually isn't.
I have a friend who visits and has the most gentle demeanor. He compliments almost every girl he meets. He has an uncanny ability to invite girls from anywhere, restaurant waitresses, shop manageresses (all beautiful) to his apartment for an evening. His approach has an inbuilt suggestion that he finds them beautiful, wants them and respects their need for money. He is in his 50s and scores with 20 year olds. They feel wanted and rewarded all at the same time. No implication of prostitution.
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The invisible world of Kiev
[QUOTE=Irish Lad; 1373700]Also, with sponsorship being very much understood here, it's possible to offer meetings with a higher percentage of girls than you think in return for material support. A typical conversation could go like this. Man asks 'what you searching for?" Girl replies "husband, and you?". Man replies " nothing serious, just fun". Girl replies "ok. Material help included?". Now that isn't to say she sees herself as a prostitute, nor the man sees her as one. More the fact she needs to shop, you need fun. In riverpalace many years ago a girl said to me "I'm not a prostitute, I just need the money". Now that reads like a joke but actually isn't.
I have a friend who visits and has the most gentle demeanor. He compliments almost every girl he meets. He has an uncanny ability to invite girls from anywhere, restaurant waitresses, shop manageresses (all beautiful) to his apartment for an evening. His approach has an inbuilt suggestion that he finds them beautiful, wants them and respects their need for money. He is in his 50s and scores with 20 year olds. They feel wanted and rewarded all at the same time. No implication of prostitution.[/QUOTE]If you really want to understand prostitution in Kiev, read and understand the above paragraphs. The first layer of prostitution that is visible to tourists is only the tip of the iceberg. Prostitution is rampant but yet at the same time almost invisible in Kiev. Sponsorship is the core of the real action and not just simple p4p coital encounters.
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oooh, what a bizarre! men looking for "fun" and women looking for "husband". but a "coital meeting" is not fun, that is one of the many aspects of loneliness, through the payment of basic sex. that "fun" is not prostitution, strictly speaking. prostitution is any "body" service that a man can't get easily by any woman: anal fisting, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] drinking, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] sex, hard sado-maso, etc. : this is fun! and this is the problem with any monger: why do you pay the same price for basic sex when you could fulfill your fantasies at the same price? and therefore the sex market is inflated in this crazy way!
i sometimes like to try the opposite game, not looking for "fun", but looking for a beautiful "wife", and i usually receive the same / opposite reply "i am looking for a sponsor". this proves 99% women in kiev or in mamba sites are not actually interested in money-free relationships with a foreigner, and the reason "looking for a husband" is one of the classic ways to move to pity foreigners' heart, therefore foreigners don't ask the same sexual performances that slavic women usually make to their slavic men: anal sex, pissing, fisting and sometimes group sex.
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Streetwalkers.
[QUOTE=YummyPL;1373687]I heard there were streetwalkers around McDonalds and Independence Square-not much more than that. I assume now that these are just normal prostitutes that just happen to be outside in these areas rather than streetwalkers that do it on a consistent basis.[/QUOTE]On the way back from Tixi Omut Strip club (Thank you QT for the tip) I asked my young taxi driver out of curiosity if there were any prostitutes on the streets in Kiev? He drove to a Wide dark Street away from the centre, forgot the name. Looked dodgy like anywhere else in Europe or the US.
Ask a young Taxi Driver on the Night shift and he will take you there. .
You have been Warned.
Once I met an Attractive young girl whom I thought gave me a nice smile walking along Krischatick daytime, I just went up to her and we started chatting. Spoke very good English and I thought bingo.
Offered to show me how to use the Metro, went with her to shooters, Katyn monument, other place.
She really got angry when the fucking taxi driver told her in Russian that I asked him to me to Roxolana Massage later on in the night. It turned out she really wasn't a Prostitute.
Didn't drink or liked to go to clubs or come back to my room. And when she left me she turned round and said " I am not a Prostitute ". I really felt sorry for her. But I was hoping she was a Prostitute or a semi.
I posted on her here back in Nov 2009.
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Interesting Discussion
AColonizer you are a sick fuck but I like your style.
Climaxnow and Irish Lad, you input is very interesting. While it sounds like the percentage of the population willing to engage in a sponsor type situation is high, what difference do you see between this and a "sugar daddy" situation?
I really like the idea of picking up "freebies" and even sponsorettes, but what do you think about overall cost? I mean, I can find a girl on mamba that will do all night for 2500 UAH. If I take a sponsorette shopping, might I expect to spend more? Or is shopping typically less expensive? Do you normally fuck a girl before shopping happens?
I am sorta kidding here, wanting to spur discussion, but I am curious on how much cash you guys might lay down in a typical week to keep your beds full of the "freebies" you pull? I know the sex is probably MUCH better than with pros, but what of the actual cost?
I am budgeting $4,000 USD for 2 weeks in February. I could get a lot of P4P with that. Assuming I have decent "game," is this enough to keep my bed full of "freebies"?
[QUOTE=Irish Lad;1373700] His approach has an inbuilt suggestion that he finds them beautiful, wants them and respects their need for money. [/QUOTE]
I'd love some details on how that conversation goes. ;-)
Your thoughts are encouraged.
-YPL
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[quote=yummypl; 1373923]acolonizer you are a sick fuck but i like your style.
climaxnow and irish lad, you input is very interesting. while it sounds like the percentage of the population willing to engage in a sponsor type situation is high, what difference do you see between this and a "sugar daddy" situation?
i really like the idea of picking up "freebies" and even sponsorettes, but what do you think about overall cost? i mean, i can find a girl on mamba that will do all night for 2500 uah. if i take a sponsorette shopping, might i expect to spend more? or is shopping typically less expensive? do you normally fuck a girl before shopping happens?
i am sorta kidding here, wanting to spur discussion, but i am curious on how much cash you guys might lay down in a typical week to keep your beds full of the "freebies" you pull? i know the sex is probably much better than with pros, but what of the actual cost?
i am budgeting $4, 000 usd for 2 weeks in february. i could get a lot of p4p with that. assuming i have decent "game," is this enough to keep my bed full of "freebies"?
i'd love some details on how that conversation goes. .
your thoughts are encouraged.
-ypl[/quote]i am not 100% sure of the meaning of the term "sugar daddy" but i think that has more a long term and larger financial commitment than is more common here. true, there are many stories of oligarchs giving cars etc to girls after 1 meeting, but the normal financial implications of being a sponsor range from taking care of personal expenses totaling $200-$1, 000 a month, up to providing an apartment, a car and a few thousand dollars spending money per month. i know 2 girls who it turned out had the same lover. 1 girl got $3, 000 a month whereas the other got $300. the example i referred to earlier is more a casual one off arrangement where my friend implies that he will take care of the girls without calling them prostitutes. dinner, chocolates and $100 the next day is his normal mo.
it's quite difficult to answer your "how much" question as the range of possibilities is quite varied. during my 6 years here i would guess the average cost would be $100 per night. that is a weighted average based on freebies, mini sponsorships and straight out mamba. i have used standard deviation to arrive at this figure and have left out the following:- regular 3 somes. 4 somes and 5 somes where it's me and 2/3/4 girls at no cost and at the other end of the scale, holidays in thailand, where it's me and 3/4 girls at a huge cost.
on your other question, i would guess that shopping is cheaper until it becomes more expensive- girls usually expect more and more and no, i have never taken a girl shopping in advance and rarely after the fact.
the problem with "budgeting" is that your behavior will work against you. better to go with the flow. i am not suggesting you splash out on every girl you meet but girls here are cutely aware of how a man spends his money. be generous in small ways and control the situation so you don't get taken advantage of. decide the restaurant and what the girl is eating and drinking. don't be stingy or too flash. trust your gut instincts 100% and if it feels wrong it is wrong. a girl who orders "fresh" grapefruit should be thrown away. it's taking the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]. whereas a girl who orders "juice" is a good bet. apelcine "sock" is orange juice, apelcine 'fresh" is freshly squeezed orange juice.
to continue the theme, the difference between pros and regular girls, sponsored or otherwise is like comparing apples and oranges. each has its pros (excuse the pun) and cons. short term visitors here are a little restricted in their options unless they have the game my friend has or the organizational skills that cruiser d or hunter dave have.
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[QUOTE=YummyPL;1373923]I am budgeting $4,000 USD for 2 weeks in February. I could get a lot of P4P with that. Assuming I have decent "game," is this enough to keep my bed full of "freebies"?[/QUOTE]Just to bring a grain of salt to what has been said about financial "compensation". In FSU you can meet girls whose primary interest is NOT money. Girls who will like you as a person, and not because they see a financial benefice to be with you. Honest girls who prefer romantic cafes to expensive fusion-food restaurants, and enjoy more an evening at home fucking a guy they really like to be with instead of going out to a glam money-obliterating club. Not of girls are money-hungry bittches. I concur with Irish. Instinct and intuition are your best weapons. Many guys don't have those qualities though.
Just to say.
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Comparisions
[QUOTE=YummyPL;1373923]I am budgeting $4,000 USD for 2 weeks in February.[/QUOTE]Just for the record, average costs in Tashkent.
* light lunch for self at a mall foodcourt : 4 €
* meeting in nice cafe for two, coffee and either salad or dessert: 6 €
* light dinner for two in mid-level restaurant with drinks (beer) : 20 €
* heavy dinner for two in upmarket restaurant with many drinks (wine plus cocktails) and additional courses: 40/50 €
* light night clubbing at one mid-level club with average volume drinks for self and occasional drinks for girls: 30 €
* heavy night clubbing at glam club with VIP table, multiple drinks for self and drinks (bottles) for girls : 120 €
* heavy night (10pm-6am) at strip bar, with multiple lapdancings / neck massages and multiple drinks for self and girls: 100 €
* quality pro Russian pussy (for all night) : $50 to $100.
It would be interesting to have the same kind of estimations for Kiev. I guess that you can multiply those costs by three. In Moscow or Piter, you definitely spend easily five times more.
As a side note, I now sometimes spend weekends in Bucarest, and at 4, 5 RON for 1 €, bar prices are a steal there. An imported beer in the most exclusive glam clubs (Bamboo, Barletto, ect) costs an average of 15 RON per bottle, a mojito an average of 22 RON.
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Re Street Walkers
[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1373878]On the way back from Tixi Omut Strip club (Thank you QT for the tip) I asked my young taxi driver out of curiosity if there were any prostitutes on the streets in Kiev? He drove to a Wide dark Street away from the centre, forgot the name. Looked dodgy like anywhere else in Europe or the US.
Ask a young Taxi Driver on the Night shift and he will take you there. .
You have been Warned.[/QUOTE]Jogged my memory. It was on the other side of the Dnipro River.
Will try to get the name and post it here. Why are you interested in SWS?
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[QUOTE=Irish Lad;1373700]I have a friend who visits and has the most gentle demeanor. He compliments almost every girl he meets. He has an uncanny ability to invite girls from anywhere, restaurant waitresses, shop manageresses (all beautiful) to his apartment for an evening. His approach has an inbuilt suggestion that he finds them beautiful, wants them and respects their need for money. He is in his 50s and scores with 20 year olds. They feel wanted and rewarded all at the same time. No implication of prostitution.[/QUOTE]Hey Irish guy. Didn't know you "cared about me ". But thanks for writing about me! Xa xa.
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Phototours Ukraine
Hello. Anyone here of this website?
[url]http://www.phototours-ukraine.com[/url]
The allow you to come in a book a session with their models for erotic and nude photo shoots. Was wondering if anyone tried it and if they had success with it?
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The
[QUOTE=Prosal; 1374036]Just to bring a grain of salt to what has been said about financial "compensation". In FSU you can meet girls whose primary interest is NOT money. Girls who will like you as a person, and not because they see a financial benefice to be with you. Honest girls who prefer romantic cafes to expensive fusion-food restaurants, and enjoy more an evening at home fucking a guy they really like to be with instead of going out to a glam money-obliterating club. Not of girls are money-hungry bittches. I concur with Irish. Instinct and intuition are your best weapons. Many guys don't have those qualities though.
Just to say.[/QUOTE]You are quite right. I didn't refer to that side for a number of reasons:-
1. The majority of visitors from here don't have the time to meet that type.
2. The very question "How much?" already places the discussion into a distinct arena.
As you yourself know and I as mentioned, it's difficult to answer the "how much?" question and still include those girls that you refer to. A recent post says "I wouldn't sleep with you for all the money in the world" yet, some romance, respect and courting might do it.
I have gone out, spent $100's and slept alone and gone out, spent almost nothing yet had a 5 some. Got to go with the flow. It all pans out in the end. Having a "budget" approach sets your path though.
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[QUOTE=Prosal;1374036]In FSU you can meet girls whose primary interest is NOT money. Girls who will like you as a person, and not because they see a financial benefice to be with you. Honest girls who prefer romantic cafes to expensive fusion-food restaurants, and enjoy more an evening at home fucking a guy they really like to be with instead of going out to a glam money-obliterating club.[/QUOTE]True, but this door is not open to short term tourists in Ukraine.
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[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1374127]Jogged my memory. It was on the other side of the Dnipro River.
Will try to get the name and post it here. Why are you interested in SWS?[/QUOTE]Thanks Jojosun. My answer was posted elsewhere. Because "sometimes I like the seedier side of life." I have paid $2,000 USD to spend the night with a model quality girl in Germany and less than $10 for all night with a bar girl in a Ho Chi Minh City dive. Picking a "working girl" up off the street or even fucking her in an alley appeals to some animal side of me. It isn't what I want all the time, but it can be exciting.
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Cellular in UA
[QUOTE=Irish Lad; 1373675]I had Kievstar on my iphone, then MTC.
Life for iPhone and internet is by far the best in terms of reception and cost.[/QUOTE]Any unlocked GSM phone will work in UA. You can buy any size SIM card from the companies they mention. They are both in Passage and Kreshiatik, almost across from each other. You deposit money into the phone at those stores or at many machines located everywhere. A friend can even reload them on the internet. Your phone will work for calls and data, no problem. You may need to change the APN setting on Cellular settings, for the data part. IPad from Verizon will work with a similar SIM, it is unlocked. I got two SIMS, one for my unlocked iPhone, and one for my iPad. I also got a USB cellular modem (with a third SIM) for my laptop. I travel with a portable WiFi access point: if the hotel or apartment has internet connection but no wireless internet, I can connect the access point, wired, to the wall or router, and put the signal 'in the air' for my ipad, laptop and iphones (I also carry one iPhone with my US number, in case a Client needs to call me). To call back to the US, just install Skype in your phones, ipad and laptop, and you talk all you want for free: calls on Skype are free to USA, from anywhere. To call international from your phone in UA with your UA SIM, dial 0001 area code and number. If you dial directly it will cost you a fortune. Good luck!
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Psycho?
[quote=acolonizer; 1373777]oooh, what a bizarre! men looking for "fun" and women looking for "husband". but a "coital meeting" is not fun, that is one of the many aspects of loneliness, through the payment of basic sex. that "fun" is not prostitution, strictly speaking. prostitution is any "body" service that a man can't get easily by any woman: anal fisting, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] drinking, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] sex, hard sado-maso, etc. : this is fun! and this is the problem with any monger: why do you pay the same price for basic sex when you could fulfill your fantasies at the same price? and therefore the sex market is inflated in this crazy way!
i sometimes like to try the opposite game, not looking for "fun", but looking for a beautiful "wife", and i usually receive the same / opposite reply "i am looking for a sponsor". this proves 99% women in kiev or in mamba sites are not actually interested in money-free relationships with a foreigner, and the reason "looking for a husband" is one of the classic ways to move to pity foreigners' heart, therefore foreigners don't ask the same sexual performances that slavic women usually make to their slavic men: anal sex, pissing, fisting and sometimes group sex.[/quote]well, those may be your fantasies, but please do not assume that we all, or most of us, share them. i prefer the gf experience, and that is exactly what i get by sponsoring a girl in ua. as far as the sex these girls get from their ua men: 1 minute doggy style, they cum and walk away. not even kissing or playing with their (often wonderful) tits. some do anal, but they all consider it the lowest form of prostitution and most won't do it.
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My 6+ years of experience with Kiev.
[QUOTE=Prosal; 1374036]Just to bring a grain of salt to what has been said about financial "compensation". In FSU you can meet girls whose primary interest is NOT money. Girls who will like you as a person, and not because they see a financial benefice to be with you. Honest girls who prefer romantic cafes to expensive fusion-food restaurants, and enjoy more an evening at home fucking a guy they really like to be with instead of going out to a glam money-obliterating club. Not of girls are money-hungry bittches. I concur with Irish. Instinct and intuition are your best weapons. Many guys don't have those qualities though.
Just to say.[/QUOTE]I fully agree with the quote, that matches my experience. In this culture, 'spending money on your girl' is part of being romantic and a gentleman. It also shows that you made something of yourself and deserve respect and.probably- her love. So: yes, there will be money involved, but not as most assume. There are also the plain prostitutes, but most are not and you can still get laid. They live in a Kleptocracy (however you spell the government of the thieves) , they were dealt a most shitty hand and they need to survive.
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Frau and a Hoe
[QUOTE=YummyPL;1374240]" I have paid $2,000 USD to spend the night with a model quality girl in Germany and less than $10 for all night with a bar girl in a (Ho) Chi Minh City dive. .[/QUOTE]USD2000, for a Frau.
USD 10, For a HOE.
U$ 1990. = Difference. How did they compare?
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I agree!
[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1374275]Well, those may be your fantasies, but please do not assume that we all, or most of us, share them. I prefer the GF experience, and that is exactly what I get by sponsoring a girl in UA. As far as the sex these girls get from their UA men: 1 minute doggy style, they cum and walk away. Not even kissing or playing with their (often wonderful) tits. Some do anal, but they all consider it the lowest form of prostitution and most won't do it.[/QUOTE]This is 100% true. From all of the women I have met and had sex with in Ukraine (Odessa only) I hear the same. A few minutes BJ. 1 minute doggy-style, maybe 2 minutes missionary, they cum and run away. This seems to be "Ukranian Sex-standard".
I take my time, play with their wonderful tits, caress their nice bodies, kisses them gently and treats them with respect. The result is woman that is shivers in orgasms within minutes and do this several times before you have your cumshot. I can do this for hours and the result is a VERY grateful woman that wants do do this again.
I prefer also the GFE and there is no better feeling when you feel a womans naked body next to yours after a long-time sex-adventure.
Rune J.
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Telephone Calling Correction
[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1374264]To call international from your phone in UA with your UA SIM, dial 0001 area code and number. If you dial directly it will cost you a fortune. Good luck![/QUOTE]Pedro, you added one extra "0."
The correct way to call internationally here is 001-number. 0044-number etc. From any phone. Otherwise you will get a message that you called the wrong number or the call cannot be completed.
And you are right, it is not cheap.
I have a broadband connection at home here and I use Vonage and its modem connector. All my calls, incoming and outgoing, to the US are "free" (I pay for the monthly service) and calls elsewhere are low cost with the quality being quite good. It cannot be used with a wi-fi connection, alas, for that I use Skype.
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[QUOTE=Uke Boy;1374461]And you are right, it is not cheap.[/QUOTE]More and more girls seem to now use apps like Viber (free app for free calls, text and picture sharing) or WhatsApp (idem, but solely free text and pic sharing). It works astoundingly well by the way, whatever the network or the country. If your favorite girls don't have it yet on their smartphone, it is wise to ask them to download it (it's a 30 seconds free download, then it scans all your contacts to select those who also have the app). A great tool indeed. I had a two hours text conversation yesterday on WhatsApp with a girl in Sevastopol and really, it's amazing how well and fast it works, even for the picture sharing.
[url]http://www.whatsapp.com/?l=en[/url]
[url]http://viber.com/[/url]
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[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1374275]As far as the sex these girls get from their UA men: 1 minute doggy style, they cum and walk away. Not even kissing or playing with their (often wonderful) tits. Some do anal, but they all consider it the lowest form of prostitution and most won't do it.[/QUOTE]+1. For a lot of Slavic girls, and it seems particularly Ukrainians, sex with the local boyfriend is a chore they have to do, not something they particularly enjoy.
But I disagree about anal. Most Russian girls like sex rough and dirty and many are keen on doing it. Not all of course, but from my experience, I'd say some 40 per cent. My current Russian GF says that it's what "she likes the most". Which is great, as it's a hobby of mine. (smilie)
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1374223]True, but this door is not open to short term tourists in Ukraine.[/QUOTE]It does, if, before landing, you do your homework on good "East meets West" dating sites (ie not mamba) where girls are legit and, for the most, honest and genuine.
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[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1374314]USD2000, for a Frau.
USD 10, For a HOE.
U$ 1990. = Difference. How did they compare?[/QUOTE]The Frau was great. She wouldn't let me sleep and she did everything I wanted enthusiastically. She is still at the agency but it looks like the years have not been kind to her from the pictues. At least the agency does a good job keeping accurate pictures.
As far as that specific "HOE," I don't really remember-probably a star fish. I have done a lot of girls in SE Asia. To me Philippines is the best GFE in SE Asia. Typically 30-60 for all night and the good ones do a good job. Unfortunately I have no experience in other parts of Asia. I want to try those Uzbeks.
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Prosal
[QUOTE=Prosal; 1374480]More and more girls seem to now use apps like Viber (free app for free calls, text and picture sharing) or WhatsApp (idem, but solely free text and pic sharing). It works astoundingly well by the way, whatever the network or the country. If your favorite girls don't have it yet on their smartphone, it is wise to ask them to download it (it's a 30 seconds free download, then it scans all your contacts to select those who also have the app). (A great tool indeed.) I had a two hours text conversation yesterday on WhatsApp with a girl in Sevastopol and really, it's amazing how well and fast it works, even for the picture sharing.
[url]http://www.whatsapp.com/?l=en[/url]
[url]http://viber.com/[/url][/QUOTE]Many thanks for the links. Really very useful.
I bet you show them your (Tool) on the picture sharing.
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So much so.
[QUOTE=Rune J; 1374367]This is 100% true. From all of the women I have met and had sex with in Ukraine (Odessa only) I hear the same. A few minutes BJ. 1 minute doggy-style, maybe 2 minutes missionary, they cum and run away. This seems to be "Ukranian Sex-standard".
I take my time, play with their wonderful tits, caress their nice bodies, kisses them gently and treats them with respect. The result is woman that is shivers in orgasms within minutes and do this several times before you have your cumshot. I can do this for hours and the result is a VERY grateful woman that wants do do this again.
I prefer also the GFE and there is no better feeling when you feel a womans naked body next to yours after a long-time sex-adventure.
Rune J.[/QUOTE]A beautiful 21 year old girl from Odessa, on our first time in bed, as I was licking her beautiful young tits, asked me with surprise "do you like them?" No guy had ever bothered with her tits. Amazing waste, how idiots those guys, what an opportunity for us. BTW, no guy had ever made her cum, only she was able to cum by masturbating. Even the missionary, is not the norm: they just go for the BJ and doggy. If the girl does not cum, it is her fault according to those guys. Most none of them go down on the girl. To score in UA it pays to be a gentleman (those guys don't buy them flowers) , hold the door open for them, kiss them. Another girl, actually a model, after I kissed her in her beautiful lips for some 15 minutes before going for the tits and make my way to paradise, she confessed that she never kissed that long before. Guys, this is the promised land for anyone capable and willing do care for the girl.
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Ditch Kiev
[QUOTE=YummyPL;1374614]. I want to try those Uzbeks.[/QUOTE]"Ditch Kiev"
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Triple zero
[QUOTE=Uke Boy; 1374461]Pedro, you added one extra "0."
The correct way to call internationally here is 001-number. 0044-number etc. From any phone. Otherwise you will get a message that you called the wrong number or the call cannot be completed.
And you are right, it is not cheap.
I have a broadband connection at home here and I use Vonage and its modem connector. All my calls, incoming and outgoing, to the US are "free" (I pay for the monthly service) and calls elsewhere are low cost with the quality being quite good. It cannot be used with a wi-fi connection, alas, for that I use Skype.[/QUOTE]I use MTC in UA, and for years I have been dialing triple zero. 1, area code and number, and getting through. Maybe is different with Kyivstar? Yes, I also have Vonage and works like Skype, free to USA if you have WiFi.
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[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1374617]A beautiful 21 year old girl from Odessa, on our first time in bed, as I was licking her beautiful young tits, asked me with surprise "do you like them?" No guy had ever bothered with her tits. Amazing waste, how idiots those guys, what an opportunity for us. BTW, no guy had ever made her cum, only she was able to cum by masturbating. Even the missionary, is not the norm: they just go for the BJ and doggy. If the girl does not cum, it is her fault according to those guys. Most none of them go down on the girl. To score in UA it pays to be a gentleman (those guys don't buy them flowers) , hold the door open for them, kiss them. Another girl, actually a model, after I kissed her in her beautiful lips for some 15 minutes before going for the tits and make my way to paradise, she confessed that she never kissed that long before. Guys, this is the promised land for anyone capable and willing do care for the girl.[/QUOTE]There is to big competition among girls in UA. And some stupid bitches are treated like this here, where local guys empty their tank and run. One must be really naive to believe such is a normal in UA.
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Apartment
Can you guys give me a website that I can book an apartment / flat in Kiev. And also can I get invoice from them mb I may need it.
Thanks
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[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1374617]A beautiful 21 year old girl from Odessa, on our first time in bed, as I was licking her beautiful young tits, asked me with surprise "do you like them?" No guy had ever bothered with her tits. Amazing waste, how idiots those guys, what an opportunity for us. BTW, no guy had ever made her cum, only she was able to cum by masturbating. Even the missionary, is not the norm: they just go for the BJ and doggy. If the girl does not cum, it is her fault according to those guys. Most none of them go down on the girl. To score in UA it pays to be a gentleman (those guys don't buy them flowers) , hold the door open for them, kiss them. Another girl, actually a model, after I kissed her in her beautiful lips for some 15 minutes before going for the tits and make my way to paradise, she confessed that she never kissed that long before. Guys, this is the promised land for anyone capable and willing do care for the girl.[/QUOTE]I have had the same experience as well.
Playing, kissing and licking tits / nipples makes them go "nuts". The tits I played with so far has been A-cups and B-cups.
They are firm and not to big to play with. The women always asks me if I like them and they think their tits are small. I say that I like them and the size doesn't matter. I read somewhere that small tits are more sensitive then big tits. It was something about the number of nerves and squarearea of tits.
Number of nerves + Big tits / bigger area= less sensitive.
Number of nerves + Small tits / small area = more sensitive.
Every time I have played with their tits they have had orgasms, some even within minutes. One of the gems that I have found had orgasm within minutes and several ones on our first meeting. She said that her ex-bf made her have orgasm 10 times in one YEAR.
I made her have orgasms 10 times (minimum.) in 2 hours. It was kissing (lips and body) , tittyplay, caressing, talking, fingering and DATY. When I tried DATY for the first time with her, she said that she didn't like it and objected a little. She objected and tried to move my head, but I stayed down there and continued with DATY.
The objection to my DATY lasted for 5 seconds.
After that, everything was OK and no more objections.
After giving her several orgasms I fingered her and found her G-spot.
What a reaction! I thought she would climb the wall by her teeths.
From what I read here and have experienced is that UA women never have been given a real good orgasm from UA men. The men makes the women feel that the responsibility for a womans orgasm is hers, not the mans responsibility. That is so wrong and that is why western men benefit so well with these women.
Maybe I am "special" since I can have sex for one hour and not cum or that I can have several cums in several hours.
I have one simple rule and that is "Everything below 45 minutes of sex is cheating / faking."
If you treat UA women with respect, attention, good foreplay, good longtime sex and relaxation after sex, you will have your personal sexmachine or sexmaniac.
In basic, be a gentleman!
Happy mongering!
Rune J.
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[QUOTE=Borubudun11; 1374776]Can you guys give me a website that I can book an apartment / flat in Kiev. And also can I get invoice from them mb I may need it.
Thanks[/QUOTE][url]Www.partnerguesthouse.com[/url]
Instant confirmation of your reservation + a real company with a real office + invoice
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[QUOTE=Rune J;1374782]In basic, be a gentleman![/QUOTE]IMO being TOO "genteman" in bed is just as bad as being too rude and selfish. In my experience, Slavic women like sex a bit rough and dirty (with the right dose of sensuality at the right moments).
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Pedro
Hi Pedro,
Is she from the agency that you mentioned before?
Did you finally fuck a girl from agency?
Good luck.
Another girl, actually a model, after I kissed her in her beautiful lips for some 15 minutes before going for the tits and make my way to paradise, she confessed that she never kissed that long before.
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[QUOTE=YummyPL;1374614]Unfortunately I have no experience in other parts of Asia. I want to try those Uzbeks.[/QUOTE]Just for the record, SOME uzbek women do have asian features, but not the majority of them. The variety of the women in Tashkent is incredibly diverse and IMO unparalleled. There is an abundance of Slavs (during Soviet era, and particularly during WW2, there has been massive forced relocations to Uzbekistan from West Russia and Poland, about 1, 2 million people) , Persians, Caucasians (notably Chechens and Avars) , Tatars, Koreans (also relocated to Uz by Stalin from Far East Russia) , Central asians, Turks, and just about everything in between. The ethnicities and the mixtures in Uzbekistan are truly exotic, and Uzbekistan definitely can't be categorized as an "asian" country.
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Bnb
[QUOTE=Borubudun11; 1374776]Can you guys give me a website that I can book an apartment / flat in Kiev. And also can I get invoice from them mb I may need it.
Thanks[/QUOTE][url]www.airbnb.com[/url]
This site does not get as much attention but it has some better places and great website of knowing exactly where you are staying and what is around you with the street view.
I`m staying here in Feb for $100 a night: [url]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/52949[/url]
YP
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Kievinn Apartments?
[QUOTE=Yellowpaul; 1374971][url]www.airbnb.com[/url]
This site does not get as much attention but it has some better places and great website of knowing exactly where you are staying and what is around you with the street view.
I`m staying here in Feb for $100 a night:
[url]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/52949[/url]
YP[/QUOTE]East or West I go I always stay at Hotels in the centre with 24/7 Reception, Room Service etc. .
For my next trip to Kiev I have been researching this place which was posted in the Kiev thread some time ago [url].http://www.kievinn.com/[/url]
It does get very good Reviews on [url]www.expedia.com[/url] And on [url]http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g294474-d1627212-Reviews-KievInn-Kiev.html[/url]
On the site for Kievinn Apartments, I notice it says "Pets are allowed at No Extra Charge " Old Dogs?
Any Feedback Straight From The Mongers mouth on this thread, re facilities, service, etc. .
Thanks
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Agreed
[QUOTE=Prosal;1374510]It does, if, before landing, you do your homework on good "East meets West" dating sites (ie not mamba) where girls are legit and, for the most, honest and genuine.[/QUOTE]Exactly. I got about 6-7 potential dates lined up with regular girls that I have been talking to on Skype for the last 3-4 months. A few have even a good jobs and are well traveled.
The only downside there is no guarantee that you will score on the first night and since I have only 7 nights there then I'm forced to hitting the clubs to look for some action.
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"B- girl" scams.
Off topic, but I always wondered if these kind of scams happened in Kiev. According to the article, the scam originated in Latvia.
[url]http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2013/01/18/south-beach-girl-scammer-gets-years-prison/zhXVP0piUTg9heQd7HXtzM/story.html[/url]
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[QUOTE=Yellowpaul; 1375008]Exactly. I got about 6-7 potential dates lined up with regular girls that I have been talking to on Skype for the last 3-4 months. A few have even a good jobs and are well traveled.
The only downside there is no guarantee that you will score on the first night and since I have only 7 nights there then I'm forced to hitting the clubs to look for some action.[/QUOTE]Right. One week is too short if you have too many contacts to meet. Twelve days (two weekends) is better, three weeks or one month is ideal. Of course it is possible to score on the first night, but with many girls you will score on the second date, and there's no guarantee they can meet you on consecutive days or within 2-3 days. Depends entirely on her and your schedule. Usually it's only after four or five days on site that you can start reaping what you sow.
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There is actually or at least there used to be. You do sort of need a car, most taxi drivers will just take you to an apartment. The scene used to be centered past Victory Square heading out from the center and around the McDs past the bridge that the Boat used to be at. It's been about 5 or 6 years since I've witnessed it first hand, so my information might be more than a bit dated.
There is no information about that scene here because 95% of the people using this board for real information and actually go to Kiev don't make it past Buddha Bar, D'Lux, Shooters, etc. Not to say there is anything outstanding about the street walker scene. From what I witnessed one in twenty or so girls where 5's and above. I don't know if the internet killed the street walker scene in Kiev like it has in most of the Western world. Long departed ISG member Travel Male also took me on a brief tour of the street walker scene in Kharkov in 2006.
[QUOTE=Irish Lad;1373676]There is no real "streetwalker" scene in Kiev which would explain the lack of feedback.[/QUOTE]
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Just a note, it's like that in any major city I ever lived in including Boston, Manhattan, Marbella, Miami, Geneva and of course, Dubai.
[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1373721]If you really want to understand prostitution in Kiev, read and understand the above paragraphs. The first layer of prostitution that is visible to tourists is only the tip of the iceberg. Prostitution is rampant but yet at the same time almost invisible in Kiev. Sponsorship is the core of the real action and not just simple p4p coital encounters.[/QUOTE]
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That is true of most girls. What's up, you guys only get laid in the FSU?
[QUOTE=Prosal;1374909]IMO being TOO "genteman" in bed is just as bad as being too rude and selfish. In my experience, Slavic women like sex a bit rough and dirty (with the right dose of sensuality at the right moments).[/QUOTE]
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I guess the girls weren't too smart, if they had pleaded that they were being trafficed they would have been given green cards and eventual citizenship.
These types of scams have been going on for a long long time, long before Lativa came out from the Curtain.
[QUOTE=Climaxnow; 1375016]Off topic, but I always wondered if these kind of scams happened in Kiev. According to the article, the scam originated in Latvia.
[url]http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2013/01/18/south-beach-girl-scammer-gets-years-prison/zhXVP0piUTg9heQd7HXtzM/story.html[/url][/QUOTE]
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Is this website reliable?
[url]http://escort-models.com/[/url]
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Bravo!
[QUOTE=Rune J; 1374782]I have had the same experience as well.
If you treat UA women with respect, attention, good foreplay, good longtime sex and relaxation after sex, you will have your personal sexmachine or sexmaniac.
In basic, be a gentleman!
Happy mongering!
Rune J.[/QUOTE]Fully agree, you completed my description of these wonderful creatures. DATY while fingering them way in, curved up as in 'come here' almost guarantees hitting their G spot and making them squirt over your face (which I love!) , and you become God to them. Once they discover that they can cum 10+ times, they belong to you. You wanting to keep the same girl over and over. Well, that is your decision, I am a ****, I like variety. You see nice restaurants with just guys at the tables: they don't invite their women, they don't have to. The competition for men in UA is ferocious so they don't give a dam. When we treat them well, they do in fact fall in love. I know because among other things, they give you their asses, which I adore. Way to go Rune, we may have been educated by the same girls!
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No from agency
[QUOTE=Naykan; 1374945]Hi Pedro,
Is she from the agency that you mentioned before?
Did you finally fuck a girl from agency?
Good luck.
Another girl, actually a model, after I kissed her in her beautiful lips for some 15 minutes before going for the tits and make my way to paradise, she confessed that she never kissed that long before.[/QUOTE]I found that one in seekingarrangement. Com. I did not go for the models of the agency yet for two reasons: my gf in UA knows that I like to go hunting, so she sucks and fucks me dry: I go with the best intentions to try other girls but she takes that energy away from me (and the motivation). If no horny, $1, 000+ sounds like a lot of money. I know I HAVE to call that agency and try, but 50% of the motivation is need to fuck, and this girl takes that away, so $1, 000 while horny turn into $2, 000 after cuming. Just basic math. Since I am an eternal romantic, I plan on going for it THIS time in February. If I do, I will share the results here, promise.
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[QUOTE=Prosal;1374969]Just for the record, SOME uzbek women do have asian features, but not the majority of them. The variety of the women in Tashkent is incredibly diverse and IMO unparalleled. There is an abundance of Slavs (during Soviet era, and particularly during WW2, there has been massive forced relocations to Uzbekistan from West Russia and Poland, about 1, 2 million people) , Persians, Caucasians (notably Chechens and Avars) , Tatars, Koreans (also relocated to Uz by Stalin from Far East Russia) , Central asians, Turks, and just about everything in between. The ethnicities and the mixtures in Uzbekistan are truly exotic, and Uzbekistan definitely can't be categorized as an "asian" country.[/QUOTE]Yes, that is what I have read (some from you). I was more referring to it from the perspective of being "in Asia."
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[QUOTE=Prosal;1374909]IMO being TOO "genteman" in bed is just as bad as being too rude and selfish. In my experience, Slavic women like sex a bit rough and dirty (with the right dose of sensuality at the right moments).[/QUOTE]A real gentleman "reads" the woman and situation, adjusts his approach and actions accordingly. You must not be like these UA men that don't care for their women. Treat the women good, give them some attention and affection. The reward will be just as pleasant.
Of course you can get rough and dirty, but IMO it is her that must decide this, not you.
Our basic task is to have so much sex as possible with these sexually-starved women and satisfy their basic needs, both sexually and financially.
Happy hunting in 2013!
Rune J.
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Two thumbs up!
[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1375095]Fully agree, you completed my description of these wonderful creatures. DATY while fingering them way in, curved up as in 'come here' almost guarantees hitting their G spot and making them squirt over your face (which I love!) , and you become God to them. Once they discover that they can cum 10+ times, they belong to you. You wanting to keep the same girl over and over. Well, that is your decision, I am a ****, I like variety. You see nice restaurants with just guys at the tables: they don't invite their women, they don't have to. The competition for men in UA is ferocious so they don't give a dam. When we treat them well, they do in fact fall in love. I know because among other things, they give you their asses, which I adore. Way to go Rune, we may have been educated by the same girls![/QUOTE]Thank you PedroToronja!
I think we are the same when it comes to be an "gentleman" and thinking / approach towards UA women. I have only been with a few women in UA, but if things start to escalate like they have so far, it will be better years to come.
I don't want to be insult anybody, but UA boys (not men) don't realize what kind of "sexmachines / sexmaniacs" their women are. If they only would give their women a good time in bed, they would understand them. Unfortunatly, but fortunatly for us from the west, they don't know how to do this. It takes more then a few minutes of sex to turn a woman into a sexmachine.
Maybe we could meet for a beer or drink sometime and exchange some info.
Happy hunting in 2013!
Rune J.
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[QUOTE=Rune J; 1375146]A real gentleman "reads" the woman and situation, adjusts his approach and actions accordingly. You must not be like these UA men that don't care for their women. Treat the women good, give them some attention and affection. The reward will be just as pleasant.
Of course you can get rough and dirty, but IMO it is her that must decide this, not you.
Our basic task is to have so much sex as possible with these sexually-starved women and satisfy their basic needs, both sexually and financially.[/QUOTE]Ok, ok, so you want a little pillow talk after sex, you want to be a gentleman, you want to let her decide, ect ect. Well how quaint. Excuse me while I blow chunks. Your childish and lyric little ode is cute, and I understand that all that is new for you (and I respect your refreshing enthousiasm) , but let me tell you something. Being perceived as mischevious / bad / unpredicatable / exciting is MUCH more advantageous than to be perceived as a predictable and boring "Mr Nice Guy". And about "UA men" as you put it, there is aspects of the slav game that the slavic female is groomed to like and most importantly RESPECT, like being manly, direct, uncompromising and even cruel sometimes (by our standards). Of course you need to combine it with the qualities like humour, intelligence, culture, sentimentality and sensitivity at the right moments, ect, but adopting some of the local playing rules is GREAT for your game.
And when it comes to relationship, the dirty little secret of this part of the world is that you can have some little cute adventures with Russian women without acting like a (nice) brute, but she will never really respect you if you don't. Those women want to be dominated. They like wild action. They want that a man call the shots. They want to be played with. Then you can act like an sleazy ass, be drunk and whatever, but still will take what's yours (her). And she will love you for it!
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[QUOTE=Rune J;1375153]If they only would give their women a good time in bed, they would understand them. Unfortunatly, but fortunatly for us from the west, they don't know how to do this. It takes more then a few minutes of sex to turn a woman into a sexmachine.[/QUOTE]Come on. Local guys are admittedly maybe not very considerate and delicate in bed, but they know their women. Why do you think that in FSU a lot of fucking goes on in building's stairs (beside the fact that many local guys their own flat) or that club's bathroom bangs are a must (WHAT, you have been in a club with your girl and you have not dragged her by the belt to fuck her in the toilets?). It's because Russian (or ukrainian for that matter) girls simply won't understand that her man has no desire to pull up her dress, bend her over, and take her from behind standing up in the stairs or the toilets for a quick bonk.
I remember a girl at a club in Chisinau who came to talk to me at the bar and who later confessed that she tought I was gay simply because we talked for ten minutes before I grabbed her by the neck to frenchkiss her. She found this too long. Way too long. That is how those women are. Wild. And for a fun and hot adventure, they prefer similarly wild guys to undecided and delicate "gentlemen".
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[quote=rune j;1375153]if they only would give their women a good time in bed, they would understand them. unfortunatly, but fortunatly for us from the west, they don't know how to do this. it takes more then a few minutes of sex to turn a woman into a sexmachine.[/quote]come on. local guys are admittedly maybe not very considerate and delicate in bed, but they know their women. why do you think that in fsu a lot of fucking goes on in building's stairs (beside the fact that many local guys don't have their own flat) or that club's bathroom bangs are a must (what, you have been in a club with your girl and you have not dragged her by the belt to fuck her in the toilets? in russia that is limit unpatriotic). it's because russian (or ukrainian for that matter) girls simply won't understand that her man has no desire to pull up her dress, bend her over, and take her from behind standing up in the stairs or the toilets for a quick bonk.
i remember a girl at a club in chisinau who came to talk to me at the bar and who later confessed that she tought i was gay simply because we talked for ten minutes before i grabbed her by the neck to frenchkiss her. she found this too long. way too long. that is how those women are. wild. and for a fun and hot adventure, they prefer similarly wild guys to undecided and delicate "gentlemen". if you act like a mr nice guy or like a delicate therapeutic assistant, they might want to be with you for the emotional security or whatever, but they won't really understand nor respect your behavior, and you will definitely nor be the kind of guy with who they'd want want a hot and fast fling with.
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Kievinn Apartments Complex.
[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1375000].
For my next trip to Kiev I have been researching this place which was posted in the Kiev thread some time ago.
[url].http://www.kievinn.com/[/url]
It does get very good Reviews on.
[url]www.expedia.com[/url]
And on.
[url]http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g294474-d1627212-Reviews-KievInn-Kiev.html[/url]
Any Feedback Straight From The Mongers mouth, re facilities, service, etc. .
Thanks[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.kievinn.com/[/url]
All of their Apartments are in one complex with 24 / h reception. This is more than a plus point for me, if I opt for an Apartment on a longer stay in Kiev.
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[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1375063]There is actually or at least there used to be. You do sort of need a car, most taxi drivers will just take you to an apartment. The scene used to be centered past Victory Square heading out from the center and around the McDs past the bridge that the Boat used to be at. It's been about 5 or 6 years since I've witnessed it first hand, so my information might be more than a bit dated.
There is no information about that scene here because 95% of the people using this board for real information and actually go to Kiev don't make it past Buddha Bar, D'Lux, Shooters, etc. Not to say there is anything outstanding about the street walker scene. From what I witnessed one in twenty or so girls where 5's and above. I don't know if the internet killed the street walker scene in Kiev like it has in most of the Western world. Long departed ISG member Travel Male also took me on a brief tour of the street walker scene in Kharkov in 2006.[/QUOTE]Where you went to is still an active site. There are two locations right by each of the last two metro stops on the Left Bank line, namely Chernigovska and Lesnaya. It is strictly low class, very cheap talent that inhabits the area near the overpass / underpass along the main road, Brovarsky Prospect. This really is strictly for locals since this is a car pickup trade and then they ride off to find a quiet location to do the deed and then return the girl to the original spot. Mostly BJs.
However, chances are excellent that none of these girls will speak anything but Ukrainian or Russian. They are not ones anyone from this forum would really want to touch, lots of alcoholic and drug types. Unless you are local, it is not safe (most especially if police are about) , you need a car and you need to speak the language and know your way around. This low-rent sex exists but only for the locals.
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You don't realize Ukrainian women are sex machines because their men treat them as shit, and Western women are shit because their men treat them as goddess. I never met a woman who stays with me because I am a gentleman, everywhere. I think your reports are the usual mental masturbations that I am reading for years and years.
There was a point in my present relationship in which my fuckfriend were arguing with me about the usual feminine non-sense, and I was worried about the usual break, and I replied her "I know exactly Russian men treat Russian women in Russia, I know Russian men never pay anything to Russian women, I know Russian women make everything for pleasing to their men, and even they sometimes pay their men to stay with." and she became a kitty until now. You should understand, she behave in that way because I said the truth that "put her shoulders against a wall".
And it is really sad to read those reports again and again: the explanation is your fuckfriends want to fuck you for some logic reasons but different from gentleman style, it is sure!
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Clubs
Do night clubs allow to enter just as "man" or I need to bring a girl with me. I am going to Kiev in a week I read most 40-50 pages but I didn't see this information afaik not sure.
Thanks to everyone for their help in the past posts.
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Prosal and Uke Boy +1.
Uke, posters will still complain that 'no one posted any information about the street walker scene'. You pretty much laid it all out as you have in the past. Some of the lazy f's on this website want 'Getting Laid for Dummies' with pictures.
Everyone else. -1.
B11, only if you are going to a swingers club. Have you ever been to a nightclub before in your life? Face control likes pretty girls because they bring in the men with money.
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[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1375885]Prosal and Uke Boy +1.
Uke, posters will still complain that 'no one posted any information about the street walker scene'.[/QUOTE]Fuck off Cruiser D ;)
Seriously, I think the posts here recently have been the most interesting in a while. Will they help the casual visitor? Probably not. Will they help the potential hunter? Most decidedly yes.
UA is obviously a completely different world than the mongering destinations I have gone to. I have fucked girls in many places in the world. I am looking forward to this challenge.
That said, I am currently talking with a 31 year old MILF. I had not planned to go that old, but she looks great. She asked me what I wanted. I told her I wanted to have fun. She told me she wanted a husband. I told her to take it or leave it. She now tells me she wants to have fun.
Bad boys win all over the world. The key really is confidence-to decide when to play the nice card and when to be the bad boy. It takes practice. I have only recently started to get better at it (last few years).
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[QUOTE=YummyPL;1375952]Bad boys win all over the world. The key really is confidence-to decide when to play the nice card and when to be the bad boy. It takes practice. I have only recently started to get better at it (last few years).[/QUOTE]Right on. What definitely scores big time is to be able to go from bad boy to sentimental in a heartbeat. Switching gears goes a long way with slavic women, both in conversation, flirting and in bed. Keeps them guessing. It's so self-evident that it's like autopilot for me.
All this "gentleman" BS below is just nonsense. Be bad, but don't be rude. Rude they don't like, but they do like games.
BTW Rune J, you should learn that anything that a woman (ANY woman) says must been taken with an grain of salt. The same ukrainian girl who will explain you how uninteresting and dull are the local men and how brilliant you are, will maybe, two days after your departure, have a quick bonk standing up in the stairs of her building with Dimitri or Sergei. Hmm. It is so obvious that I don't even know why I bother to explain it.
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Mamba and [url]www.intim.io[/url]
[QUOTE=MertBlade88; 1375072]Is this website reliable?
[url]http://escort-models.com/[/url][/QUOTE]In Mamba I am reeiving messages from girls with this web site. Who has updated I formation if reliable And girls quality? Mabe is this intim a Mamba competition?
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[QUOTE=Sponsor74;1375982]In Mamba I am reeiving messages from girls with this web site. Who has updated I formation if reliable And girls quality? Mabe is this intim a Mamba competition?[/QUOTE]They probably are the owners of the agency rather than the girls. Some of the pics from that site I could not find but some of the pics are of well known porn "actresses."
For example the pictures of Anzhelka are actually: http://www.ftvangels.com/models/larysa.html
Clearly fake pictures. Maybe some are real? Personally, I am all for paying for sex but I am not going to pay for a BJ with a condom.
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[QUOTE=Borubudun11; 1375479]Do night clubs allow to enter just as "man" or I need to bring a girl with me. I am going to Kiev in a week I read most 40-50 pages but I didn't see this information afaik not sure.
Thanks to everyone for their help in the past posts.[/QUOTE]Most bars mentioned in this forum are for mongering purpose or put other way glorified brothels. There is no point in asking you to bring a girl in a pickup joint. There are a few bars mentioned here who have substantial civilian population but again no one ever stopped me.
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Looking forwards to it!
[QUOTE=Rune J; 1375153]Thank you PedroToronja!
I think we are the same when it comes to be an "gentleman" and thinking / approach towards UA women. I have only been with a few women in UA, but if things start to escalate like they have so far, it will be better years to come.
I don't want to be insult anybody, but UA boys (not men) don't realize what kind of "sexmachines / sexmaniacs" their women are. If they only would give their women a good time in bed, they would understand them. Unfortunatly, but fortunatly for us from the west, they don't know how to do this. It takes more then a few minutes of sex to turn a woman into a sexmachine.
Maybe we could meet for a beer or drink sometime and exchange some info.
Happy hunting in 2013!
Rune J.[/QUOTE]My next stop in Kiev is from Feb 17, for 2 weeks. Will you be there?
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To each their own.
[QUOTE=Prosal; 1375252]Ok, ok, so you want a little pillow talk after sex, you want to be a gentleman, you want to let her decide, ect ect. Well how quaint. Excuse me while I blow chunks. Your childish and lyric little ode is cute, and I understand that all that is new for you (and I respect your refreshing enthousiasm) , but let me tell you something. Being perceived as mischevious / bad / unpredicatable / exciting is MUCH more advantageous than to be perceived as a predictable and boring "Mr Nice Guy". And about "UA men" as you put it, there is aspects of the slav game that the slavic female is groomed to like and most importantly RESPECT, like being manly, direct, uncompromising and even cruel sometimes (by our standards). Of course you need to combine it with the qualities like humour, intelligence, culture, sentimentality and sensitivity at the right moments, ect, but adopting some of the local playing rules is GREAT for your game.
And when it comes to relationship, the dirty little secret of this part of the world is that you can have some little cute adventures with Russian women without acting like a (nice) brute, but she will never really respect you if you don't. Those women want to be dominated. They like wild action. They want that a man call the shots. They want to be played with. Then you can act like an sleazy ass, be drunk and whatever, but still will take what's yours (her). And she will love you for it![/QUOTE]There is a reason why restaurant have menus: we (and them ladies) not all like the same. Your game depends a lot of what you want to get out of it, what kind of girl you are attracted to, and more importantly (the 'enemy' also has a vote) , what the girl likes. There are all kinds. One size does not fit all and whatever works for you Prosal, at your current age and in the grounds you hunt, may not work for others, at different age, different strenghts (looks, money) and ways. We don't have to debate this, we are probably all right. I tend to agree with my buddy Rune though, and after 6 years and 40+ visits and many relationships with the female kind (professional, work related, one-nighters, sponsoring, bg / gf, etc.) IMHO he and I are mostly right.
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YMMV your mileage may vary, hard to have one prescription for all cases
[QUOTE=Prosal; 1375967]Right on. What definitely scores big time is to be able to go from bad boy to sentimental in a heartbeat. Switching gears goes a long way with slavic women, both in conversation, flirting and in bed. Keeps them guessing. It's so self-evident that it's like autopilot for me.
All this "gentleman" BS below is just nonsense. Be bad, but don't be rude. Rude they don't like, but they do like games.
BTW Rune J, you should learn that anything that a woman (ANY woman) says must been taken with an grain of salt. The same ukrainian girl who will explain you how uninteresting and dull are the local men and how brilliant you are, will maybe, two days after your departure, have a quick bonk standing up in the stairs of her building with Dimitri or Sergei. Hmm. It is so obvious that I don't even know why I bother to explain it.[/QUOTE]Leonardo Di Caprio at 21 can probably get away with anything, say anything, be bad or nice, money or no money will always get pussy anywhere. From there to, lets say. Me, there is a huge distance; and then there is everything in between. So regarding what works or not, it is hard to set a rule. And the best battle plan become worthless at the sound of the first shot: the enemy has a vote too: a lot depends on your target.
We can though describe what is commonplace in those lands: men suck, women are not happy with them. I know of many UA a girls who refuse outright to date Russian / ukrainian men: they grew frustrated with them and they won't put up with the abuse. By acting like them, most of us are probably getting the same results those guys get: some (probably the best) girls will simply not date / fuck us. There is a huge difference, generally speaking, between men and women in the Slavic world: men suck, women are adorable, better educated, nice, take care of themselves, less drunken and better workers. Those women do not put up with rude, inconsiderate men of any nationality.
I know well, as friends and employees, many educated girls in UA (I don't mix my business with my mongering) and I know them for many years. They simply don't go for the 'bad' guy you describe. Sure, some don't date for years, but many are married to good guys that treat them nicely, because even there some are lucky enough to find real nice guys (minority, but they exists).
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[quote=pedrotoronja;1376330]we can though describe what is commonplace in those lands: men suck, women are not happy with them.[/quote]well, that is imo pretty much a stereotype. many, many russian girls (but i agree that it is maybe less true for ukrainian girls) date in their peer group, sharing the same culture, ect. moscow or saint peterburg's trendy clubs are full of stylish and good looking local guys with obviously great game, and obviously very successful with girls. i think that most of the girls / women who complain about how dull and rude the local guys are, in the whole, simply girls / women of a level (not pretty enough, too old, ect) that doesn't interest the "top" male population.
also, to say that all the locals are loutish and rude drunk flatheads unable to woo or satisfy a women (with the underlying allusion that you are exactly the contrary) is showing a lot of self-grandiosity imo.
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[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1376330]Leonardo Di Caprio at 21 can probably get away with anything, say anything, be bad or nice, money or no money will always get pussy anywhere. From there to, lets say. Me, there is a huge distance; and then there is everything in between. So regarding what works or not, it is hard to set a rule. And the best battle plan become worthless at the sound of the first shot: the enemy has a vote too: a lot depends on your target.
We can though describe what is commonplace in those lands: men suck, women are not happy with them. I know of many UA a girls who refuse outright to date Russian / ukrainian men: they grew frustrated with them and they won't put up with the abuse. By acting like them, most of us are probably getting the same results those guys get: some (probably the best) girls will simply not date / fuck us. There is a huge difference, generally speaking, between men and women in the Slavic world: men suck, women are adorable, better educated, nice, take care of themselves, less drunken and better workers. Those women do not put up with rude, inconsiderate men of any nationality.
I know well, as friends and employees, many educated girls in UA (I don't mix my business with my mongering) and I know them for many years. They simply don't go for the 'bad' guy you describe. Sure, some don't date for years, but many are married to good guys that treat them nicely, because even there some are lucky enough to find real nice guys (minority, but they exists).[/QUOTE]I agree with you Pedro. But I think that women all over the world like the "bad boy." They may not want to marry them, or even have a relationship with them, but they want them in their bed-or they think they do. I don't think Prosal is recommending you act like a UA schmuck, but spontaneous, rough, and dominating is not treating them poorly. It also seems to me that women want what is challenging. If you fawn over them, they become less interested. A big part of this is obviously confidence. Personally, I cannot pull "bad boy" off completely. It sounds as if you don't think you can either. But it does sound like you can do the confidence thing. It is basically the same. We just manifest it in a different way.
I am sure the women that work for you would love to fuck you. You are the boss and you apparently are not interested in them. It must drive them crazy. That is one of the fundamentals of the game-be confident and disinterested.
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[QUOTE=YummyPL;1376435]I agree with you Pedro. But I think that women all over the world like the "bad boy." They may not want to marry them, or even have a relationship with them, but they want them in their bed-or they think they do. I don't think Prosal is recommending you act like a UA schmuck, but spontaneous, rough, and dominating is not treating them poorly. It also seems to me that women want what is challenging. If you fawn over them, they become less interested. A big part of this is obviously confidence. Personally, I cannot pull "bad boy" off completely. It sounds as if you don't think you can either. But it does sound like you can do the confidence thing. It is basically the same. We just manifest it in a different way.[/QUOTE]I think the days of "bad boy" attitude has past for most of us on this thread. However, confidence is a universal winner.
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[QUOTE=YummyPL;1376435]It also seems to me that women want what is challenging. If you fawn over them, they become less interested.[/QUOTE]Right on the money. Being a girl's one trick pony gets you nowhere in the dating game. Girls like to be chased, but only to a degree (and especially the better-looking who are used to get hitted 20 times a day). They also like to chase a bit too. Don't make it to easy on them, they lose interest if you are too interested. When you don't answer SMSs immediately and dutifully, when you don't desperately pursue dates, when you don't overdote, when you are mischevious and uncompromising, ect, it sparks their interest. Best is to allow the girl to be the "demanding party", and give her the flattering impression that she is somehow special and SHE scored a player.
Anyway, everybody has their own methods and behaviors, and I am happiest and most successful sticking to mine.
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1376450]I think the days of "bad boy" attitude has past for most of us on this thread. However, confidence is a universal winner.[/QUOTE]Agreed. If I only knew 20 years ago what I know now.
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[QUOTE=YummyPL;1376649]Agreed. If I only knew 20 years ago what I know now.[/QUOTE]Being aware that you have to change your frame of mind when dealing with Slavic women is beneficial, whatever your age.
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If by bad, you mean you have no game, probably.
[QUOTE=YummyPL; 1375952]31 year old MILF.
Bad boy[/QUOTE]
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Umm, as it applies to the Kiev forum, no.
There hasn't been a 100% working girl environment in Kiev since River Palace set sail.
On the other hand.
As a foreigner with no Russian language skills, when you talk to a girl in a nightclub in Kiev she will say one of two things."I am a prostitute" or "I am not a prostitute". YMMV.
[QUOTE=Global Surfer;1376006]Most bars mentioned in this forum are for mongering purpose or put other way glorified brothels. There is no point in asking you to bring a girl in a pickup joint. There are a few bars mentioned here who have substantial civilian population but again no one ever stopped me.[/QUOTE]
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No, not really.
[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1376299]IMHO he and I are mostly right.[/QUOTE]As you pointed out, different people like different things.
I will be in Kiev for about 40 days. In that time I will date around 100 different new girls, have sex with about 30 or them while maintaining my carde of 8-10 core girls.
In your 40 trips to Kiev have you dated 100 girls? Probably not.
Are you an expert when it comes to what works for you, of course. Ukrainian or Kiev girls, no, not at all.
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[QUOTE=Cruiser D;1376754]If by bad, you mean you have no game, probably.[/QUOTE]Thanks Cruiser D, for proving you are an ass. An attention ***** that comes on a hooker board to make himself feel good by insulting others that have not yet developed the finer skills of picking up hookers in the UA. I'm impressed. I was in Stuttgart in September and fucked 30+ hookers in a month, too. Apparently Kiev is just another kind of brothel with a slightly less obvious game. But you are still just fucking hookers.
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[QUOTE=Cruiser D;1376763]As you pointed out, different people like different things. Are you an expert when it comes to what works for you, of course.[/QUOTE]I have been here forever, or so it seems although my recent adventures in the Middle East and elsewhere have also not gone unfulfilled.
100 girls? No sweat. I have never even counted the numbers over the last 15 years or so. Why bother? Lots of great memories and plenty more in the flesh today and tomorrow who are unknowingly waiting in the wings. I am only an expert in my own specific zone of experience.
What has been the case, be it a village girl or a friend of a friend or the latest paid adventure from Mamba is that I have done things as I have seen fit and always in my comfort zone. Have I always succeeded? No. But more often than not, I have ended up very happy, be it here or anywhere else I may have been. The methodology has sometimes changed yet the results have always been fruitful. No regrets at all.
Attitude is everything and most important rule of all here is that whoever you miss out on today is no loss at all. Another will always take her place faster and sooner than you can expect it to happen. If you feel defeated by the first few unsuccessful tries here, then head on home as fast as you can since you have no game. Or, become one of those utter losers who can only connect in seedy third-rate strip clubs that are only for those incompetents who can only grasp the lowest hanging fruit, at best.
The riches here are only those for those who are singularly capable of understanding and grasping them boldly and confidently as they come along.
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If it makes you happy
I am all for people doing what makes them happy and / or staying in their comfort zones.
What annoys me is when this forum becomes a delsional wanker fest with the kings of Kiev going on and on and on about the one or two average or below girls they bagged (and sadly post photos to back it up). Reminds me of the time when I was at River Palace and some kid in the candy store American imparted the sage like advice to me. Just go up and offer them money, they are all hookers. I replied, really? I just thought they were all very friendly.
I know most of the people here are socially inept but do they have to scream it from the roof tops.
Lunch tomorrow, Uke? It will have to be later in the afternoon. I will be in the blissful cocoon of Irish Lad as I once again chase the perfect buzz in Kiev Klubland while avoiding in the closet gay guys, drunk locals and my frustrated fan club of female semi pros.
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Yes Cruiser
[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1376763]No, not really.
As you pointed out, different people like different things.
I will be in Kiev for about 40 days. In that time I will date around 100 different new girls, have sex with about 30 or them while maintaining my carde of 8-10 core girls.
In your 40 trips to Kiev have you dated 100 girls? Probably not.
Are you an expert when it comes to what works for you, of course. Ukrainian or Kiev girls, no, not at all.[/QUOTE]That is what I meant by IMHO. Very humble BTW. No, I did not date 100 girls in UA, unless you include in 'dating' a one hour WG P2P fuck. Including them, over 100. I tend to stick to the same girl / s for longer and only then I call it dating. To each their style. For sure self-confidence is a winner. I don't score a 10 on that department.
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Not that clear cut
[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1376759]Umm, as it applies to the Kiev forum, no.
There hasn't been a 100% working girl environment in Kiev since River Palace set sail.
On the other hand.
As a foreigner with no Russian language skills, when you talk to a girl in a nightclub in Kiev she will say one of two things."I am a prostitute" or "I am not a prostitute". YMMV.[/QUOTE]In UA today you have the girls 'in the middle', those that will accept a sponsor or simply be very attracted to a man that fucks them well and / or helps them financially. I dare to guess that most girls 18 to 30 in UA we talk about, are in that big middle. I have the experience of talking with girls in Mamba who upfront told me 'I am not a prostitute' or 'for that you need to find yourself a working girl', and then they did fuck me like crazy.financial consideration was included in one way or the other. Power, Money and the hope of becoming free from such shitty environment: they are all sexy and attractive to a girl. So is not that clear cut. That in my experience. And those are the best fucks I had so far: no from cold-bitches-working girls, but from girls that are far less experienced in bed, that it takes some effort to bring to bed and which I treated well. In my opinion, that is where lays the treasure. A working girl is a working girl is a working girl, anywhere in the world, for just about the same money. Fucking 'civilians', non-pros, is the opportunity of UA to us lucky mongers. Girls half (or less) our age, more beautiful than what we used to fuck when we were their ages. That is Nirvana in my book!
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Mamba Girl
Does anybody have experiences with this Mamba girl in this picture? Here Mamba profile just got deleted. I got her and her friend for $100US each for 3 hours and they promising a a good girl on girl experience. Just wanted to see if anybody tried them.
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Cleaners
Any suggestions on where to get dress clothes like shirts, slacks, and suits cleaned and pressed in the center?
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Kiev airline
Which airline companies fly into Kiev from the UK.
Was think of booking a return flight from somewhere like manchester and wanted to know where or whom to book with
And get a good deal.
Thanks,
James02
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[QUOTE=YummyPL;1377367]Any suggestions on where to get dress and pressed in the center?[/QUOTE]There is a dry cleaner at Arena Citi on the parking garage entrance side, it's between the two entrances / exits
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[QUOTE=PedroToronja;1377227]A working girl is a working girl is a working girl, anywhere in the world, for just about the same money. Fucking non-pros, is the opportunity of UA to us lucky mongers. Girls half (or less) our age, more beautiful than what we used to fuck when we were their ages. That is Nirvana in my book![/QUOTE]Actually there are quite a few girls like that in your home country, you just don't realize it or have experienced it. It's just a little more socially acceptable in the FSU that a 50+ is banging a 20+ in an obvious quid pro quo situation.
When I was their age. Half 'our' age I was still fucking super hotties, which probably explain my jaded attitude. As the Ukrainians like to say, for me it's just normal. In the US I rarely date a girl out of her 20's. In Ukraine it's just ridiculous.
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I've been chatting with her on and off. Can't quite bring myself to pull the trigger, she's just not quite enough to make it on the Cruiser D Thrill Ride.
[QUOTE=Yellowpaul;1377248]Does anybody have experiences with this Mamba girl in this picture? Here Mamba profile just got deleted. I got her and her friend for $100US each for 3 hours and they promising a a good girl on girl experience. Just wanted to see if anybody tried them.[/QUOTE]
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Is that a roll of hundreds in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
Pin a 100e note to one lapel and a $100 bill to the other lapel, you'll do A-OK.
[QUOTE=YummyPL;1376842]ass. picking up hookers in the UA. I'm impressed. slightly less game. But you are still just hookers.[/QUOTE]
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Next step?
Barba needs some advice. Just back from a good and short trip to UA. Spent most days playing the couples game with a "girlfriend" student in Kharkov but got a night in Kiev and two fucklets visiting as well. Things are going more smoothly for every visit, and now even Pinay student style early morning visits is on the menu with some girls that realized Barba is a returning ATM. All in all the quality of both looks, sex and my time is going up.
BUT the little Kharkov fake blond teen I have posted about is illusive, and it is becoming a quest. Irish Lad, you know who I mean. Me and her met once in a park, and I fucked up on a dinner so for a while she was disappointed, but we still communicate. After some days of silence during my stay in Kharkov I asked her if she would see me if I paid her money, and sure enough she asked "meet for what". My answer was some generic let_feamle_keep_her_pride-bullshit and of course "sex". She asked "how much will you give me" and I suggested I would pay her 1000 UAH and she would spend her afternoon in bed with me. Done deal. Sure enough she flaked on me.
I sincerely do not think she is just bullshitting me as many vindictive time waster females will do all around the world, but rather that she is indecisive and at the same time wants to maximize her payoff in the gene pool lottery. We are back to her considering going with me to London (circular discussions) , but she is cautions or even scared, and we need to arrange a passport at some stage. Even if I would love to have a relationship with her (as much as I have that with my current situation) , I am too lazy to play the full scale qualification / relationship-game with her right now, at east for more than a few days. Since here are so many super males and UA super mongers, I need you to step up and give Barba some quick potent advice on what to change in my operation with little Inna. Supermen you all know who you are, so stop bragging and help a brother in distress. Her English sucks and I probably showed her a little bit too much of how much I would love to spread her slim teenage legs, but at the same time she developed some confidence in Barba over the passed months, and we are having a good time when we chat.
B.
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DLux Club
Went to DLux Club expecting to maybe run into some non-pros or pros for an overnight. It was a typical dance club but really nice set up. I only thought 2 girls were definitely there for paid sex. Then when I wanted to ask them, they had disappeared. I danced with one or two hot chicks who gave me good non-verbal signals but the noise from the music was so loud, I couldn't even ask a question. Seemed hard for me to find a situation where I could ask a chick to spend the night with me. And I didn't want to get slapped asking the wrong girl so I went home empty handed. Taxi driver took me to Gold's Strip club which was a rip off and I was the only customer there. Seems like most strip clubs are empty there. At least the ones I went to. Another taxi driver, took me to a private house with 4 girls who I picked one and took her back to the hotel for a session. Cost was 100 UAH.
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[QUOTE=Hamboner;1377676]Seemed hard for me to find a situation where I could ask a chick to spend the night with me. And I didn't want to get slapped asking the wrong girl so I went home empty handed.[/QUOTE]If she's a prostitute, she will let you know immediately. They have no interest in idle chat. At D'lux, working prostitutes rarely dance.
The interesting thing about D'Lux is that a quarter of the girls are sponsored quasi prostitutes, but they will not let you know that, and do not actively troll the club for customers.
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[QUOTE=Hamboner;1377676]Cost was 100 UAH.[/QUOTE]Is this just taxi driver took, right? Or you wanted to write 1000 UAH?
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[QUOTE=Hamboner;1377676]Went to DLux Club . one or two hot chicks who gave me good non-verbal signals but the noise from the music was so loud, I couldn't even ask a question. Seemed hard for me to find a situation where I could ask a chick to spend the night with me. And I didn't want to get slapped asking the wrong girl. Cost was 100 UAH.[/QUOTE]At least you did not go out empty-handed, but you were obviously disappointed at D'Lux, but this is sometimes our lot. If I cannot communicate (I speak no Russian) its my advice to use sign language and invite them a drink. Their girlfriend also. It shows them you are into them, if they accept they are into you too. I was at Buddha Bar two days ago and first bought a nice blond girl a whiskey (she wanted the same as I was drinking, a common signal of acceptance) , she spoke fluent English and soon wanted to reel me in with prospect of a fitting present. I told her I wanted to meet some people and soon invited a girl at the bar a drink, she wanted only cola, but her girlfriend was there soon too, and asked for wine. Mea culpa, I did not ask for the price, but it was way too much, maybe 150UAH. After some chat I went to talk to some guys. Better to show girls some indifference. But the girls disappeared and I thought maybe I had lost them. There were other girls there I tried to hit on, but without much result. I went down to have some food, and, surprise, the two girls from the bar sit there with the third, a little older. They invited me to sit with them and we had some snack food, the third girl was an obvious WG and spoke openly about accompanying me, but I told her she had had too much to drink and should go to sleep. The others were only 19 and were willing to share a taxi, and on the way we negotiated a price of 100 eu for each. I would not say they rose to expectations, but at least I got to choose my girls from looks and ability to communicate, plus have the adrenalin flowing a bit while looking and waiting for to see if they will accept. Too bad that all the good chemistry melted away in the sheets. But. If you are still in Kiev you should try some of the bars and discos that have been discussed here time and again, with endless advice on how to pull, charm, have game, etc. Etc, don't be discouraged, just think, act, and take over the girl. Refusal is not end of the world. BTW, I have never seen girl slap a man in the face in real life. And your damage, isn't this a typo for something bigger?
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[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1377723]If she's a prostitute, she will let you know immediately. They have no interest in idle chat. At D'lux, working prostitutes rarely dance.[/QUOTE]Right, all you have to do is stand at the bar (without getting terribly drunk) and look terribly generous!