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@ Single
Arnie is right on all points.
Just so you know couch action is not normal at all clubs. It is standard in Atlantis, Oase, Babylon and Hof, but at most oher clubs there is no couch action. Also at some clubs a session is 20 minutes. It is a fair system and the girls tend to only ask for the correct amount afterwards.
FKK's are a very good situation, but with all first timers either seek a scout or be a little careful the first time there. These places are no huge debauched orgies.
Peter
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Arnie & Peter,
Thank you so much for your input. I'm much better informed now. To close out my curiousity, I have few more questions / comments lingering.
1) Arnie said "how upset she'll get ... depends on how much she likes you." That's interesting because I was under the impression that the girls are there for the $$, not for a dating game. :-) Well, I'd naturally assume that if the guy were a hot sexy looking guy, he would probably get better treatment. Right? I suppose the lady would probably tolerate his indecent behavior more than the same behavior made by a bad looking guy. Am I wrong in this assumption?
2) Arnie brought up the term "chemistry". Has there been a situation in which the FKK lady was not willing to see a guy simply because she didn't feel the chemistry was there, or she didn't feel comfortable with him? To be more bluntly, has any lady in any FKK club ever refused providing certain service (for instance, no DFK or GFE) to a guy simply because (no pun intended) he's either too fat, too old, too ugly, too boring, or whatever... (assuming that he satisfies all the good hygiene requirements)? Personally, I'd rather to hear the lady say NO than to later realize that she pretended to say YES and rushed to provide a mechanical performance simply because she needed the money.
3) I agree with Arnie that if I like the lady, and especially if she is a hot chic, I don't really care where she came from. To turn the table around, I wonder if some ladies in the FKK clubs prefer to see/treat men from certain nationalities or ethnicities better than the other?
4) Although many say that speaking German is not necessary in order to have fun in the FKK clubs, I wonder if the local guys have an advantage in getting more GFE than the outside guys?
That's all from me. Thanks all for your responses.
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SinglePro:
Glad I could be of help. Here are my thoughts regarding your additional questions:
1.) There is no "dating game." Yes, she's there for the Euros. But, yes, she's a person too and has her own preferences and off-days. Chemistry can play and does play a part (See Answer 2).
But, as for your "indecent behavior," you *are* planning to warn the lady before you give her a mouthful of schmeg, aren't you? Peter is correct: play it cool while in the clubs and don't do anything that may upset the women and cause a problem. If you spritz in her mouth, then you will pay double unless the lady specifically tells you otherwise. Count on it.
2.) Remember this acronym: YMMV. That means, "Your Mileage May Vary." Just because she gave one guy great service doesn't automatically mean you'll get it. Maybe it's bacause you weren't too handy with the soap and water. Or, maybe it's because there wasn't as much chemistry or she's having a bad day. (See Answer 1).
And, yes, some of the clubs (for example, Oase) do allow the ladies to turn you down. For instance, she may tell you she's busy when she's not. She may tell you she can't understand you when she can. Or, she may not give you enough space to sit next to her. I've seen all this happen.
I can tell you, though, that unless you resemble Shrek or have major hygiene problems, your chances of being turned down are very low. In fact, at Atlantis or Oase you'll likely have to deal with the ladies propositioning *you*. (They're not allowed to do this at Babylon or Bernd's.)
3.) No, not really, unless you've come over from Turkey. Many of the ladies are wary of dealing with Turkish customers because these men tend to treat women badly. Not all of them do, of course, but a few bad apples have spoiled the whole barrel. If you're worried about anti-American sentiments, then don't be. Most Europeans are intelligent enough to separate the people from the politics.
4.) I speak German and find that it definitely helps. The lady will be more comfortable with you if she can understand you and vice versa. The locals will have an advantage in this regard, but that won't make much of a difference. If you're concerned about the language barrier, ask the lady at the front desk or one of the barmaids to introduce you to some English-speaking ladies.
Hope this helps.
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@Single
Please never do anything indecent in the club.
The reason that the turks have a bad reputation is because they come into these clubs in large groups and act like they own the place. they also often try to scam the girls into doing more than they are comfortable with (like getting Cum in Mou**h for no extra charge).
Just so you know at Oase the American's also have a bit of a reputation, mainly because of groups of guys from the Army base. They are not exactly from the diplomatic crew, they are quite red-neck.
These are real ladies and they should be treated with respect. The fact that you pay them doesn't mean that you own them.
Peter
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SinglePro,
As a fellow American, here is my experience in regards to your questions/concerns:
1) Some girls are really friendly, others aren't Doesn't necessarily have to do with nationality they have or you have. Just a chemistry thing like in "real life". But of course they are interested in the money, it is their job and their time. If they like you, for whatever reason, then you will get maybe a little extra service. CIM is something most girls aren't too fond of though, and is something you should definitely clear up beforehand. GFE is also something that may or may not happen. I have only had one girl refuse kissing, she was German. Other than that though, she was fantastic.
2) Chemistry will depend on a lot of things, every girl has different taste. And it doesn't mean that the girls only give good-looking guys good service. Tell them you will come to the club often, and you will already become more attractive to them. they love repeat business. Conversational skills etc. is also important. Almost nobody will be turned down, I've never seen it happen. These girls are used to fucking EVERYBODY. Like at McDonalds everybody who pays can have a Big Mac. Try to create chemistry though, it will likely improve your experience. It is important to remember, these are regular girls. After work they go home and make spaghetti and watch TV. So they will also respnd to regular chemistry and human interaction. I like to "forget" that I am fucking a prostitue and try to imagine that I am with a girl for the first time and try to please her somehow...but that is just my thing. Have had some fantastic sexual experiences that way, trying to make it "real" also seemed to please the girls, especially the latinas.
3) Generally speaking the girls prefer white or latin guys, at least that is the impression I get. Turks are banned from most clubs I've been too. Black guys are rarely seen, but I don't know if that is policy or just chance. Black Americans are considered a different category than Africans. The Hollywood effect. The fact that Turks and Africans are banned from many clubs has less to do with German racism (Germany is one of the LEAST racist places on the planet) but with rather the disgusting behavior of these ethnic groups' male youth. It really is a bad apple that ruins the barrel, and there are a lot of bad apples in those barrels, especially when it comes to their opinions of and treatment of women, particularly prostitutes. I've never experienced any anti-Americanism, mostly just curiousity and comments on circumcision. Most Europeans are surprised to learn that 95% of Americans are circumcised. In Europe mainly Arabs and Turks are circumcised, nobody else. Some prefer circumcised guys, others are just curious. No prejudice on that though.
4) Level of English varies wildly. A lot of the girls also only speak basic German since they are foreigners themsleves and only work seasonly in Germany. Many girls, particularly from Eastern Europe and South America, speak no English whatsoever. So German does help, but there will be some English speaking girls with at least basic skills.
BTW: if you are coming to Germany, maybe we could hook up and go to a club together. I am often travelling, so I can't guarantee anything, but drop me a line anyway, could be fun. Definitely more fun than sitting in a club alone for hours "recharging" after round 1....:) dafunk@cityweb.de
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I don't know of any club that bans turks.
I do know that at PHG if a group of turks (especially young ones) comes they might tell them that the club is full. But this is more on a case to case basis than a policy.
There are lots of turks at Atlantis and Oase, on every single trip there there have been many.
Many clubs also don't let in large groups of Russians or Gypsies. Generally the tendency is to be careful in letting in large groups.
Peter
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Peter,
I assumed they were banned because I've never seen any in a club, ever.
Maybe I need to visit more clubs...:)
As far as I'm concerned anybody who behaves in a civilized manner should be let in.
Gang mentality can lead to trouble. Just so we are clear on this, a group of loud GIs or obnoxious Englishmen are just as annoying as a bunch of groping Turks or whatever.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by peter
[i]I don't know of any club that bans turks.
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FKK Dortmund Applerbeck banned all foreigners or non-german-speaking people, but it's closed at the moment anyway. On their answering machine there was even the German National Anthem.
cu
kaleu
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Dr. Skank,
When I was visiting Atlantis, I saw 3- 4 of young (in their 20s) middle eastern looking guys there one day. I did not observe any problems caused by them, though. Maybe they were regulars?
Arnie,
I witnessed exactly what you are talking about -- some ladies turning guys down at Atlantis as well. As you mentioned, they pretended as if they did not understand you, or as if they were busy.
Does anybody know if there are any web sites that post the trade fair schedules in Frankfurt? I would like to visit there again, but would like to avoid the high hotel cost (since this time, it wouldn't be a business trip). Not much success from google search.....
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rain City
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Does anybody know if there are any web sites that post the trade fair schedules in Frankfurt? I would like to visit there again, but would like to avoid the high hotel cost (since this time, it wouldn't be a business trip). Not much success from google search..... [/i][/QUOTE]
http://www.frankfurt-tourismus.de/default.htm
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rain City
[i]Dr. Skank,
Does anybody know if there are any web sites that post the trade fair schedules in Frankfurt? [/i][/QUOTE]
Try this url
http://www.messefrankfurt.com/corporate/en/home.html
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Wizard and Trojan_tds,
Thank you guys for the information. I will make a trip plan based on the convention schedules in Frankfurt. Review should follow shortly thereafter.
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Hi all,
What's the closest FKK to Brussels ? As I only have one afternoon, I'll prefer not to spend too many hours driving.
I've searched Kaleus excellent site, however mapvise it's a bit difficult to find all these small towns.
Thanks in advance for all asistance.........
U
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Babylon in Elsdorf is probably the closest, but it is guaranteed at least a 2.5 Hour drive each way. If you can invest the time for the drive to Babylon, you might as well drive 45 minutes more and check out PHG for the number of women. Make sure you have a car with Navigation or some good internet directions, these places are not that easy to find. Also if you look on Kaleu's list you can look for the postal code, ones that start with 4 or 5 are your best bet.
Peter