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Sinanju Master sez....
"What makes me scratch my head is that these guys who should KNOW that they are targets STILL fall for this shit!"
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Sinanju, I believe this can be attributed to letting the wrong head do the thinking. We all do it, but the difference is that celebrities have more resources at their disposal, therefore getting more opportunities to fuck up.
This should also serve as a lesson to not get married before reaching a certain level of maturity; the females end up not knowing just what the fuck they want (besides money I guess) and guys can't seem to keep it in their pants (especially if they're getting pussy practically THROWN at them from all sides...).
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Forum Members,
My opinion about women in general. "Women always want what they can't have". Usually women always want men that they can't have. It goes goes to all many other material things such as cars, home, jewelry and many other things.
If noticed all the female managers at your workplace, they will always want things done their way. It seems they are never satisfied how about how things are done. I have this ugly fat female manager at my workplace, she want guys which she can't have because she thinks she is more educated and earns more money. Usually she likes to pick on me because I am foreign person and have an "accent" (according to americans), but I never give in. Looks like I will be one day fired because I don't lick her ass, because of an AMERICAN WOMAN!
Memek Lover
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99 percent of American women have a head full of bad wiring.
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Smut Villain,
when you said that they don't know what they want, it really struck home because a friend of mine who has been married for LESS THAN A YEAR all of a sudden is going through the early stages of divorce. SHE initiated the proceedings, the reason being: "I don't know what I want".
Actually, I saw this coming because BEFORE they got married, SHE CALLED IT OFF!! OK simmer down everyone, I'll tell you MORE, 'cos it gets BETTER!! After my bud's sweetie called it off, we (all my buds and me) went on a drinking spree! (That's the good part! LOL) During this spree, my bud absolutely VILIFIED her to the point where it surprised even ME! THEN a couple weeks later, I find out that they're getting MARRIED!! (I think Rod Serling had a hand in all this!) They get hitched and she immediately takes command of the finances. Fast forward to today and he is now in a support group for divorced people and (thankfully) seeing other women.
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Greetings all,
You know, it's easy to say that all these women are crazy or, as CBGB put it, have a head full of bad wiring. But really, there's more to it than that.
They must be aware of what they're doing at some level. I think most of them are really selfish for sure. It also seems like most of them have some pretty unrealistic expectations. You've all heard the usual female blather about finding a soulmate who understands her, blablablah etc. There's also lot's of women out there who have a high (and unrealistic) self-opinion.
If you add these factors together, what do you get? A woman who thinks she's a lot better looking than she really is, who thinks mostly of her own happiness, and who thinks that when she meets that perfect guy he'll actually be interested in her. What you end up with is a woman who is perpetually unhappy, unsatisfied and uncertain.
How are we supposed to find happiness with one of these women when they can't even be happy with themselves?
Sinaju, all I can say about your buddy is that I feel sorry that he had to go through all that. But he should have seen it coming. Sounds like another case of hormonally-induced, temporary retardation.
Hey, you should tell him about this forum so he can get the low-down on what's what. If you haven't done so already :D.
Rock
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SM,
Yep, it's just like I said- she's still weighing her options in the back of her mind (i.e. she believes she might have a higher market value and entertains the thought of shopping around for the better deal before she depreciates too much)
He, on the other hand, is just now realizing that he still hasn't gotten "fooling around" quite out of his system (notice that it didn't take him long to get back in the game). Your friend's lucky, though: lots of guys get married early then find out (years down the road) that the source of their personal unhappiness stems from realizing they took themselves off the market before they were actually ready (but didn't realize at that time). They cashed in before their stock matured then (much later) realized that they missed out on potential "profits".
Sorry for the financial jargon, but when you take the concept of male-female relationships and frame it in a business context, it's funny how how many simularities exist between Wall Street transactions and the male- to- female dynamic.
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Smut Villain,
You said the following in your recent post, " when you take the concept of male-female relationships and frame it in a business context, it's funny how how many simularities exist between Wall Street transactions and the male- to- female dynamic."
Hey, it's not funny at all. In fact it makes 100% perfect sense. That's one of the basic principles underlying all human behavior. Cost vs benefit, or risk vs benefit. Nobody does or tries to do anything unless there's some benefit to motivate them. It naturally follows that the next step would be to maximize one's perceived benefit for any expended effort.
That's one of the keys to understanding female behavior. They're just like us. They want to get the best/most for whatever they have to offer. The real problem comes in when they think they have a lot more to offer than they really do (a overly-high self opinion). Combine this with the fact that most of them are kind of selfish and it's no surprise that breakups and divorces are common.
Women aren't the only ones though. It never fails to amaze me the way some guys land themselves a good looking woman with a decent personality. Then they fuck it all up because they've got this idea that they might still be able to do a little better. So they keep looking even when they should be happy with who they've got.
Will things ever change? I doubt it.
Rock
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SV
actually a while back, I kinda used financial metaphors to explain the situation, so, yeah, I totally understood the Wall Street jargon.
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Rock,
You said "It never fails to amaze me the way some guys land themselves a good looking woman with a decent personality. Then they fuck it all up."
I have a theory that they're fucked either way. If the guy treats the woman well, then she will get bored and leave. If the guy plays around, then the woman will take offense and leave.
John
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John C,
You have a good point there. You have to walk a really fine line between being too nice and being a jerk. In fact, I'd say it's more like an impossible balancing act. So yes, either way you're screwed.
Not completely screwed though. There's lot's of women out there who don't have this fucked up kind of mindset. The only real problem is, most of them live in other countries!
You want a quality pair of shoes, buy some imported ones from Italy. You want some quality wine, buy some imported wine from France. You want some quality women, import one. There's lots of good countries to choose from.
Rock
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Ah American women. The scent of expensive perfume, the look of expensive makeup, the expensive department store clothes. All great things, but then we get the bulging asses, the attitudes, and the credit card statements.
The problem is more than simply going over seas picking out a girl and taking her home. Unfortunately America is like a virus. A very bad virus. I have a friend who picked out a Filipina. She was hot, and the stories of sex were unbelievable. He was in love. She put out, gave great head, cooked, and cleaned, everything a man wants. They had some minor problems but nothing that would disrupt the relationship. That lasted for almost two years. Then things started to happen. She started to become more demanding about things. She wanted more control of the finances. One day he bought a motorcycle that they had talked about and that is when things started to change. The next thing he was buying a diamond ring. He was planning on getting her one anyway, but she demanded one soon after the cycle. He bought her one, and that is when the relationship was hit with an atomic bomb. After he gave her the diamond she had been after since hitting the shores she didn't give a single BJ. NONE! Of coarse the man started feeling cheated and the relationship ran into one brick wall after another and within 9 months they were divorced. At first sex was close to regular for them, but week after week it diminished to the point that he only got it once a month for the last two.
This is not an isolated incidence. I have friends that have experience similar situations with women from China, Vietnam, Thailand, Eastern Europe, and Russia. If you left these girls in their home countries where the society supports marriage and respects men they would have all been good wives. Several of these guys are still married to the women and are relatively happy. But they were forced to make some pretty big compromises. Don’t think it will be easy street. The women become Americanized very quickly.
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Wicked SH,
You've made a pretty good point with that post.
There must be other factors coming into play here though. A big one must be the kind of friends (female ones) she makes when she gets here. Another one would be how old she is when she arrives. I think the older the girl, the more deeply ingrained her cultural attitudes will be.
You could also get a bit of leverage over her by promising to bring over one or two of her close family members afterwards. It might be that they will be a good influence and keep her from "turning American".
One last thing you could do is spell it out for her in the beginning how you picked her because you don't like the crap you've been getting from your own women. Let her know, in a nice way, that acting like her new American friends is not going to lead to happiness for either of you.
At the very worst, you get a good couple of years out of the girl before things start to go south.
I also suspect that you're gonna hear about the disappointments a lot more than the success stories. It may be for every bad one, there's 3 or 4 good ones. But you never hear about it because nobody ever complains when they're happy.
Remember, it takes two to tango, if things are going wrong for these guys, it may not be 100% the girls fault in every case.
Rock
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Wicked SH,
I call that the "Princess Diana Syndrome": every Prince of Wales in history has had a mistress (except for the later George III, who was mad), so it's easy to say, hey, that's how it's supposed to be - where's the problem? Well, the problem is that the Princesses of Wales of the past didn't accept their husbands' philandering because they found it OK, they did so because they had no choice. Princess Diana was the one who realised she didn't have to put up with it.
On the issue of mail order brides, etc. I would say that in today's middle class society there are only two ways you can live in a life-long relationship with a woman who is willing to do your bidding:
1) She is naturally submissive.
2) She is impressed with you and thinks you're the best husband she's likely to come across.
In poor countries you can then add a third category, since most women there are incapable of providing for themselves & divorced women are "damaged goods": voila, when one has a man, one should take good care of him.
My point is, if you're not particularly rich, beautiful or smart you're unlikely to keep a woman in a subordinate relationship, and it doesn't matter one dot if she's American, Russian or Thai. She'll look around in society, then weigh the kind of life she could have with another guy against the kind of life she has with you. If you do not come out on top of that comparison, she'll start imposing a few conditions of her own; if you don't accomodate them, she'll feel she's got a rough deal and... goodbye.
Turning the tables, American women are not adverse to dependent relationships either. If you scratch the surface, many of the rich guys' prestige wives are not particularly gold-digging in the sense that they try to lay their hands on millions of $$$. They are simply kept in the relationship by a pragmatic female assessment that they are unlikely to be this lucky twice. This basic female instinct is strong and undiluted, the only difference is, these days you don't impress a woman by having a good job at GM or a small company of your own: you gotta do better than that. Only...
...in Bangkok or Kiev you may still impress women by telling them about your house and your car. But it will not last - NOT because of the "damaging influence" of American feminists, but because they soon realise that all your colleagues and friends have big houses as well. If you're nothing special, why take any s**t from you?
No Wicked SH, if you want to be happy with a foreign girl, go live in her country.
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Priamos,
I was gonna say the same thing. As funny as the concert film "Raw" was, Eddie Murphy hit the nail on the head when he said that a woman born on foreign shores turns bad when she moves here and becomes "Americanized" through the busybody actions of friends that she makes.
If you marry her, keep her in HER COUNTRY and move THERE. If you cohabitate HERE in the US, DON'T get married, 'cos it'll force her to maintain her best behavior and all else that goes with it. If you are relatively well off HERE, you're Trump material THERE and she knows it. Why would she fuck up a good thing by stepping over the line? If you MUST cohabitate in the US, string her along with the "possibility" of marriage, all the while, enjoying it to the fullest and scouting out her replacement in the meantime.
Dudes, it's the CULTURE here that turns 'em bad. Keep them AWAY from it, and it should be smooth sailing.
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Women in general are a "virus", from what I'm reading here. We want to bed them, but we don't want to deal with the BS that a "commitment" entails, especially here in this country.
One question I want to ask the guys in here, if you have never been married before (like myself) do you want to get married someday? Personally, I don't think I want to deal with that, I'd rather be single. If I did make another commitment to someone, whether it's just dating or marriage, I think I would have to set some terms or conditions of me getting into that commitment, and CLEARLY stating that I can get more from elsewhere if she isn't going to agree to my "demands".
I guess I feel like if I can get the "open relationship" deal, I plan on staying single for a LONG time.
MP