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[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2442011]It's comical how Trump detractors bring up 10 year old girls and stupid crap irrelevant to the point at hand.
At least he is of semi-sound mind. Biden. Just wow. But, more to the point, if you argue a multi-billionaire, most powerful man in the world, banging a woman for free that we would chase at HK for $100. Yeah, sign me up for that level of failure.[/QUOTE]Trump was caught on tape saying he'd like to date a 10 year old girl when he was 46. Combine that with his cozy relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and you got yourself a pedophile. You may find it "irrelevant" but I find it most troubling when a proven pedophile is making major decisions about the direction of this country. Yeah I agree Joe Biden is teetering on the verge of senility. But at least he's a decent man and he'll make decisions based on what he thinks is good for the country. Don the Con only cares about what's good for him personally, as he's proven time and time again with his policy decisions.
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[QUOTE=Jinxx;2442054]If you really believe that "bankruptcy is a tool applied when it will help you move forward" then you basically believe that it's perfectly ok to be a lying, thieving, scamming cheater as long as "it will help you move forward".
So by your logic anybody who figures out how to game the system is perfectly ok by your standards.
An illegal immigrant who figures out how to use fake papers to get a good paying job? Hey more power to him, using someone else's social security number is just a "tool applied when it will help you move forward".
A restaurant owner who deliberately burns his restaurant to the ground to collect insurance money? Hey that's perfectly ok as long as it helps him "move forward"..[/QUOTE]You're attacking a straw man. I said none of those things you propose follow from my logic. Most would be actionable as fraud. Bankruptcy is a legal relief valve built into the system. And there is are provisions in the Bankruptcy Code that protect against it being used in a fraudulent manner.
For our society to function, people need to be able to take risks. Sometimes they fail. Bankruptcy allows them to start again. Most people who start successful businesses failed a few times first. We want them to keep trying. Everybody doing business realizes that some customers may not be able to pay them back. Its a risk of business. They make an decision about extending credit, because it helps them grow their business, knowing that they will loose money on some. This is just how business works.
Each of the things you accused me of agreeing with are fraud. They involve deliberate deception. Bankruptcy is for business that try and fail. A lot of business will be destroyed right now because of the COVID-19 not because of anything they intentionally did. They deserve to escape the debt. Atlantic City didn't pan out like people planned. A lot of business went bankrupt.
Please don't jump on me about this. I'm just telling you the law and the policy rational behind it If you don't like it, complain to your congressman. In the meantime its the law and you will appreciate it when you need it.
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[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2442156]Trump was caught on tape saying he'd like to date a 10 year old girl when he was 46. [/QUOTE]At least try to be honest with your arguments. You left off the in 10 years, which is still not appropriate but FAR from what you imply.
[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2442156]Combine that with his cozy relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and you got yourself a pedophile. [/QUOTE]Curious if you have the same disgust for Bill Clinton and countless others.
Let me just tell you. I hate you for making me defend Trump. LOL.
[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2442156]Yeah I agree Joe Biden is teetering on the verge of senility. But at least he's a decent man and he'll make decisions based on what he thinks is good for the country.[/QUOTE]So you discount all of the very odd behavior he has around women? Let alone the accusations coming out? In all seriousness though, Biden is a decent guy, I believe. But his decision days are over. He is, at best, managed. By whom, I don't know. But if you think electing a man on "the verge of senility" is the right way to go, no thank you. He cannot even put 3 sentences together. It is a bit sad but he is just a bag of bones at this point.
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"The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make USA Manufacturing non-competitive. ".
Dumass Trump on Twitter, 6/10/12.
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Biden
[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2442156]Trump was caught on tape saying he'd like to date a 10 year old girl when he was 46. Combine that with his cozy relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and you got yourself a pedophile. You may find it "irrelevant" but I find it most troubling when a proven pedophile is making major decisions about the direction of this country. Yeah I agree Joe Biden is teetering on the verge of senility. But at least he's a decent man and he'll make decisions based on what he thinks is good for the country. Don the Con only cares about what's good for him personally, as he's proven time and time again with his policy decisions.[/QUOTE]Biden had better pick his running mate well because, I believe if elected, he could become incapacitated and / or die in office. I believe there's at least an even chance of that happening. He's committed to a female VP candidate. Will his physical demise give rise to the first female president of these United States of America? We shall see my friends. We shall see.
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On Family:
"She does have a very nice figure. If (Ivanka) weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her."
The Donald on The View, 2006.
And my personal favorite:
On Breastfeeding Mothers:
"You're disgusting."
New York Times, July 28,2015.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2442301]Biden had better pick his running mate well because, I believe if elected, he could become incapacitated and / or die in office. I believe there's at least an even chance of that happening. He's committed to a female VP candidate. Will his physical demise give rise to the first female president of these United States of America? We shall see my friends. We shall see.[/QUOTE]President Klobuchar?
Before you make unintelligent guesstimates of someone's life expectancy.
Please know that the average life expectancy of a 77 year-old male is 10 more years.
BTW: I too am concerned that Joe Biden is no longer sharp enough to serve well as President. I still choose him over Trump, who's proven to be mentally inadequate for the job.
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[QUOTE=DickusMaximus;2442282]You're attacking a straw man. I said none of those things you propose follow from my logic. Most would be actionable as fraud. Bankruptcy is a legal relief valve built into the system. And there is are provisions in the Bankruptcy Code that protect against it being used in a fraudulent manner.
For our society to function, people need to be able to take risks. Sometimes they fail. Bankruptcy allows them to start again. Most people who start successful businesses failed a few times first. We want them to keep trying. Everybody doing business realizes that some customers may not be able to pay them back. Its a risk of business. They make an decision about extending credit, because it helps them grow their business, knowing that they will loose money on some. This is just how business works.
Each of the things you accused me of agreeing with are fraud. They involve deliberate deception. Bankruptcy is for business that try and fail. A lot of business will be destroyed right now because of the COVID-19 not because of anything they intentionally did. They deserve to escape the debt. Atlantic City didn't pan out like people planned. A lot of business went bankrupt.
Please don't jump on me about this. I'm just telling you the law and the policy rational behind it If you don't like it, complain to your congressman. In the meantime its the law and you will appreciate it when you need it.[/QUOTE]I always thought of declaring bankruptcy as a way of saying "fuck you" to whoever you owe money to. A slimy way for a conman to weasel his way out of paying what he owes. Maybe you're not aware but don the con has a well documented reputation of not paying people that he owes and bullying people who can't afford to go into long drawn out legal battles trying to collect from him. Trump also openly admits that he doesn't pay taxes and that it makes him a smart businessman. This is only my opinion but I see that pattern of behavior as being a dishonest cheating scammer who never had any intention of doing good solid honest business, which makes him no different than any other fraudulent cheating criminal. Maybe I'm just old school I guess. And I see your point that bankruptcy is there for businesses that genuinely need it to weather the storm of circumstances out of their control, but 4, 5, 6 times? To me that seems like a pattern of abuse and a slap in the face to all of the good honest businessmen out there who have integrity and want to do business the good honest way.
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Response
[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2442335]President Klobuchar?
Before you make unintelligent guesstimates of someone's life expectancy.
Please know that the average life expectancy of a 77 year-old male is 10 more years.
BTW: I too am concerned that Joe Biden is no longer sharp enough to serve well as President. I still choose him over Trump, who's proven to be mentally inadequate for the job.[/QUOTE]President Klobuchar? I hope not! Unintelligent guestimates? I'm intelligent enough to know that an average comes from adding up numbers (high and low) and dividing. Some are going to die younger than the average and some older. Who knows what will happen, but I just have an uneasy feeling about Biden's health. Based on nothing but a hunch. I too shall vote for Biden though (and the administration I expect he will put together around him).
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Nogales girls
LuvMex,
I heard Nogales girls look better in Halloween masks!
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[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2442525]LuvMex,
I heard Nogales girls look better in Halloween masks![/QUOTE]LOL. That has happened no doubt but not the one this week. She was quite pretty. If she relaxes her CBJ rule, I'd likely repeat.
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[QUOTE=Jinxx;2442366]Maybe you're not aware but don the con has a well documented reputation of not paying people that he owes and bullying people who can't afford to go into long drawn out legal battles trying to collect from him. [/QUOTE]Nothing personal, but maybe you're not aware of the corrupt snakepit that is New York real estate development. The overly simplified version is as follows. Many of the larger contractors are mob fronts, BTW. You contract to build building X. The contractors bid. You select the winning bid. The work starts and then the "fun" begins. Delays, cost "overruns," fake-ass invoices, double billing, you name it. At the end you, the developer, pay. The contractor bitches and moans and threatens. Maybe you negotiate and pay some more. In the end you say "fuck you, sue me" to the contractor. The whole thing truly sucks, but such is life in the Big Apple. Honolulu isn't far behind. Only the hard-nosed survive, the others get fleeced.
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Construction
[QUOTE=Phordphan;2442717]Nothing personal, but maybe you're not aware of the corrupt snakepit that is New York real estate development. The overly simplified version is as follows. Many of the larger contractors are mob fronts, BTW. You contract to build building X. The contractors bid. You select the winning bid. The work starts and then the "fun" begins. Delays, cost "overruns," fake-ass invoices, double billing, you name it. At the end you, the developer, pay. The contractor bitches and moans and threatens. Maybe you negotiate and pay some more. In the end you say "fuck you, sue me" to the contractor. The whole thing truly sucks, but such is life in the Big Apple. Honolulu isn't far behind. Only the hard-nosed survive, the others get fleeced.[/QUOTE]Knowing some things about construction law, unfortunately what you write is pretty accurate. Every big construction job is a lawsuit (several) in the making.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2442766]Knowing some things about construction law, unfortunately what you write is pretty accurate. Every big construction job is a lawsuit (several) in the making.[/QUOTE]You left out a major source of drama: the unions.
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Unions
[QUOTE=LuvMexicanas;2442858]You left out a major source of drama: the unions.[/QUOTE]The original statement wasn't mine. It was Phordphan's. But yes, I agree.