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[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1116275]Sorry if my judgement seemed harsh Mr Styles. I guess what I worry about is things taken out of context. By this I mean that in a written report one gets a sense of the writer and this helps me to put some context with judgements made about the girls. In a spread sheet all of that context is gone and the girls become names on a list. For me this in itself has a flavour of treating the girls as statistics rather than as human beings and leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
This is the nature of my objection.
AM[/QUOTE]I have no intention at all of treating the girls like statistics. However, I feel many who venture into an FKK for the first time are sharked, and this creates a bad impression, not to mention a considerable financial loss. An ideal way to use the information would be to decide on a few girls, and then look them up on the board, so that one can make a balanced judgement. With the search function that should be easy. Once in the club, treat the girls as a gentleman would, and treat the girl you choose as your girlfriend. This should dramatically increase the odds of having a good time.
Currently, given the treasure trove of information that this board is, it takes weeks to go through all the reports as I did. This list (Reminder USE THE ORIGINAL LIST, NOT THE ALPHABETICAL ONE) should make that easy.
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[QUOTE=Mr Styles; 1116277]I have no intention at all of treating the girls like statistics. However, I feel many who venture into an FKK for the first time are sharked, and this creates a bad impression, not to mention a considerable financial loss. An ideal way to use the information would be to decide on a few girls, and then look them up on the board, so that one can make a balanced judgement. With the search function that should be easy. Once in the club, treat the girls as a gentleman would, and treat the girl you choose as your girlfriend. This should dramatically increase the odds of having a good time.
Currently, given the treasure trove of information that this board is, it takes weeks to go through all the reports as I did. This list (Reminder USE THE ORIGINAL LIST, NOT THE ALPHABETICAL ONE) should make that easy. [/QUOTE]We are probably going to have to agree to disagree on this one Mr. S. And as a Canuck myself isn't that how we do things in that country? All I can say is when I put myself in the position of the girls, I would not enjoy being "listed".
I might add-my second session at Artemis ever was a classic sharking. Well, maybe barracuda would be a better sea creature to compare her to. While losing the hundred or so euros was a b i t c h I sure learned my lesson in that session. I am not saying guys should be sharked, but it is a fact of FKK life that not every girl is service oriented. An experience such as this is part of the FKK education I would not have done without as I look back at it. Since that experienced I have had a few lack luster sessions. But never again was I blatantly taken for a rube.
Anyway-kudos for the effort you no doubt put into the spread sheet. Maybe some guys will like it. I myself though feel the need to voice my objection to such lists and voice my opinion that they ultimately take away from making the monger a stronger predator.
AM
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[QUOTE=Mr Styles;1116277]Once in the club, treat the girls as a gentleman would, and treat the girl you choose as your girlfriend.[/QUOTE]This I like!
Anyway Mr Styles, I understand what you are saying about the correct use of the list, although I find stuff like this kills any kind of "poetry" can remain in an FKK visit.
But this is personal.
What I'm saying is that, knowing quite a few of the girls on the list and knowing the opinions of some people I trust about other girls on the list (that I didn't personally session with) I find the data to be curious at the least.
Issue closed on my side.
Ciao
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[font=tahoma]I don't understand all the consternation regarding this guy's ([b]Mr Styles[/b]) hooker list.
If wannabe mongers want to run around [b]Artemis[/b] with lists of hooker names indicating which are the good, the bad, and the ugly in prostitute paradise, well good for them.
Oh you can forget about memorising these lists, few of us mongers have the time or the patience. I have heard tales of guys running around Hessen FKKs with similar lists compiled by sex forum list makers. The potential problem that such a list makers has is that he may become associated with the list himself. If a fellow monger (or mischief maker) points him out to one of the lovely ladies who did not make the good list, the List Maker could become very unpopular, very very quickly! But hey buddy, thanks for the lists, I'll bring them with me when next I vist [b]Artemis[/b] ;)[/font]
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[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1116282]We are probably going to have to agree to disagree on this one Mr. S. And as a Canuck myself isn't that how we do things in that country? All I can say is when I put myself in the position of the girls, I would not enjoy being "listed".
I might add-my second session at Artemis ever was a classic sharking. Well, maybe barracuda would be a better sea creature to compare her to. While losing the hundred or so euros was a be I t see h I sure learned my lesson in that session. I am not saying guys should be sharked, but it is a fact of FKK life that not every girl is service oriented. An experience such as this is part of the FKK education I would not have done without as I look back at it. Since that experienced I have had a few lack luster sessions. But never again was I blatantly taken for a rube.
Anyway-kudos for the effort you no doubt put into the spread sheet. Maybe some guys will like it. I myself though feel the need to voice my objection to such lists and voice my opinion that they ultimately take away from making the monger a stronger predator.
AM[/QUOTE]I don't understand. What exactly makes a thread like this alright but a list which is basically just this thread but all the BS posts thrown out so bad?
You mention putting yourself in the girls' shoes and not liking being on a list, but if that were true wouldn't you feel the same way about having a bad report about yourself on a thread?
Another thing I don't understand is why should someone need to take any lumps? I went to a FKK got sharked my first day, and even after taking my lumps and thinking I learned something I still got sharked at least once a day. Lets face it these girls are hustlers and they will charm you outside the room, but inside the room this is where you finally see them for the type of provider they really are. Sure if you go to a club often enough and know just about everybody you'll quickly learn who the sharks are, but for those who visit so few times lists like these are a wallet saver.
Personally I feel like providing is their job. In my job I get reviewed and have a performance grade level. I'm able to live with it so they should be able to as well. If not then they are pretty much going to hate alot of jobs out there.
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I can't open the list.
Is that only possible with a payment membership?
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[QUOTE=Suppenhuhn; 1116617]I can't open the list.
Is that only possible with a payment membership? [/QUOTE]No, anyone can open the list. You need to register, and be a member of the site however.
And remember don't take the alphabetical list.
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[QUOTE=Mr Styles;1116714]No, anyone can open the list. You need to register, and be a member of the site however.[/QUOTE]I do not think this is correct. If you register right now you can't open attachment without paying the subsciption fee. Or am I wrong?
HB
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Thursday 20th January
Ok, since I haven't before been to any place like this nor have I before paid for sex its quite hard to make any kind of comparisons. English isn't my first language so the text will probably be flawed.
Anyways, I arrived at Artemis by S-Bahn at about 15:30. Somewhat nervous as I arrived at the reception desk but that went away quite fast after showering and change into robe.
Artemis wasn't the reason for me coming to Berlin but rather just a day where I wanted to come away from reality since a recent heartbreak (in lack of better word). I wasn't sure that I would do anything but smoke a ton of cigarettes and hang.
The quite recent love mishap has made me a bit hesitant of beginning to date again and pretty much makes you make certain strange and self destructive things, in my case I deeply inside me knew I would leave there with a bitter taste. But my curiosity and complete block about how I might feel about myself later made me go anyway.
There wasn't that many men when I arrived, but a few ladies. Most of the good looking. Wandering around like it was totally normal for them (it probably is) , which made a whole atmosphere of normality. I first went in to the bar to get a beer where I immediately was approached by a black woman (only one I later saw managing to get some guy buying her champagne) whom I politely told perhaps later (which would be my mantra this night). She looked a bit angry but eventually walked off.
Soon after I was approached by a Romanian girl (the one I asked for what her name was) and she started talking and I was a bit surprised by her seeming like an intelligent / attractive normal girl, I thought most conversations would be like "want a blow job and fuck" which pretty much removes any kind of emotional bonding between two people. However, I hadn't really settled in nor really come to terms of me being there, so I told her perhaps later when settled in.
What followed was quite a few hours of me smoking 2. 5 pack of cigarettes plus a few beers and endless amount of water (because of smoking) sitting by the bar mostly, and the only room I went to was the bathroom to get rid of all this water (and I also noticed that it was only like one out of ten who washed their hans after being on the toilet, what up with that?). During this time there was a lot of girls that went up and started talking (mostly romanians who were really nice and attractive) but I tried to cut it short since I wasn't really getting on in this environment, it was too much of a meat market for me plus I reacted badly at how some people there were (some of the other seemed like quite good guys, so I'm not making any judgement on them). It was an really unpleasant feeling though to see them walk off with one you knew was an asshole. I just hope they had the decency / intelligence (which I don't really think since they were idiots) to at least treat the girls good. This is one thing I'm now after my visit still really bothered with.
Anyways, a lot later from me coming there the place was quite packed and I was really thinking of calling it a quit but I thought that if I saw that second girl I would perhaps give it a try (also knowing that I would feel bad about it later). Well I did't had to wait that long since she approached me from the back not long afterwards. I said sure, just had to smoke up my cigarette first. Off we went, but the rooms were full so we talked a bit more, again, a really nice girl. At this time I started becoming anxious and nervous (my normal self is quite calm and not as neurotic as this text might imply, I was a emotional wreck at this time) but not in a way that could be seen that much outwardly, I believe.
Here she told me that she was 22 and some other things, I don't want to go into specifics, and it hit me that since I'm just about her age (mid twenties) and coming from a quite a good and safe upbringing there was something there (hard to explain) that made me feel not so good. She would be the kind of girl that I would date both personality wise and looks.
I look ok myself. But I think that as a young guy (not having done anything like this before) you're in a dating mode where you just ask girls out that you find attractive / interesting. This is not a place for that and I guess you have to learn how to shut some mental reactions off. Anyways, a big room got available and I felt nervous and had the guilt trip of my life, but couldn't just go away since that would probably make her think about what went wrong. She didn't upsell (or what its called) and nothing bad at all except for my performance, which I tried to make quick so she didn't loose any more time. I pretty much rushed out afterwards. In "real life" of course I would have enjoyed it more.
I paid her and went to take a shower. Going back into the bar she stood by the opening and didn't look at me / looking down as I walked by (not 100% that if it was meant or that she just didn't notice, hard not to since well she stood there trying to get new customers) and this was pretty much the last and biggest drop that made me feel shittier than I think ever before. And still one week after do feel.
Stayed a couple of hours more and then left at 03:20 something.
[QUOTE=Stifler; 1115947]Hi,
Does anyone know what the name of this girl might be? She is Romanian, brown eyes, brown hair, somewhat curly hair, natural slim body and 22 years old.
I could write a report about my day there later, but I'm afraid it would be a bit depressing and uneventful.
Anyways, would really appreciate if someone could help me with this one.
Thanks[/QUOTE]don't think I will go back but if anyone knows her name it wouldn't hurt to have it.
I'm not in any way making judgement on you guys who treat these ladies well, but to those of you who don't I honestly think you're the lowest of the lowest in this world.
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Forget that I asked.
Forget that I asked for her name, don't post it if you know.
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[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1116825]I do not think this is correct. If you register right now you can't open attachment without paying the subsciption fee. Or am I wrong?
HB[/QUOTE]I have the same feeling.
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[QUOTE=Bluat; 1116353]I don't understand. What exactly makes a thread like this alright but a list which is basically just this thread but all the BS posts thrown out so bad?
Sure if you go to a club often enough and know just about everybody you'll quickly learn who the sharks are, but for those who visit so few times lists like these are a wallet saver. [/QUOTE]I'm getting confused about this furore about that guy's list.
I pretty much agree with the suggestions above.
However most of the opposing views come from people on this forum that I respect and normally find myself in agreement with about most issues of P4P ethics.
What am I missing here?
Charlie
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[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1116253]January's MIA (Monger I Admire) is finally posted. Have a look.
[url]http://www.angusmagee.com/?p=705[/url]
AM[/QUOTE]Not sure if I should say thank you but I do so anyway.
Norjan, with new flight tickets to Berlin in his mailbox
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Lapdance
Charlie, I can't forget the lap dance incident.
Was / Is there music in the rooms? I have'nt thought about that cause my focus have been elsewhere once in a room.
What does she look like, your performer?
Norjan, with new flift tickets to Berlin in my mailbox
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[QUOTE=Charlie 123; 1117043]I'm getting confused about this furore about that guy's list.
I pretty much agree with the suggestions above.
However most of the opposing views come from people on this forum that I respect and normally find myself in agreement with about most issues of P4P ethics.
What am I missing here?
Charlie[/QUOTE]
I think the senior members do not like the way that person is treating women. Lists suggests that women are commodities to be bought and sold. In some ways this dehumanizes them and in other ways it is highly disrespectful. One of the first things you learn about lists is that it is very difficult to associate a name with a girl. Most look pretty similar if you just go by color of hair and tit size. So, that means you have to go around asking lots of girls their name and where they are from. Then you reject them until you "find" your target. Nothing makes you look like a Neaderthal than that. Have a little sophistication or meet up with a senior member who can subtlely point you out some good girls. Then learn to have a bit of charm and game. As the saying goes, you can give a man a fish or teach him how to fish.
The other thing about lists is that the best girls are often never mentioned here. Who likes his favorite to be monopolized by a bunch of newbies? On the other hand, girls with bad reputations are also not reported because some guys don't feel a need to retaliate. So, lists do not help in all circumstances. Finally, there is no sure thing. You just have to invest a few Euros. You will find some gems, but also a few duds. That is the nature of the game. If you can't afford a few misses, then you really should not be in this game.