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[QUOTE=Clodius1;1936151]Some good, interesting points being made here by the board regulars. What I don't hear is an opinion from an outlier, so here it goes. First of all, if you're a German regular and happen to see a hapless Americano in FKK being gussied up for the slaughter, try reaching out to him and give him some pointers. Maybe he'd appreciate a wingman so he doesn't fuck up a great thing in the DE land of paradise. Second, there are, I suspect, a boatload of decent foreign mongers lurking on this board, doing their best to educated about FKK protocol because we are guests in your country and we naturally wish to earn the approval of our German friends. Third, our German hosts may not be familiar with how American mongers are programmed to operate in the "hobby. " American SPs (service providers) put punters through rigorous screening to avoid LE (law enforcement) and therefore do not accept 30 min appointments. The minimum is at least 60 minutes. These longer appointments are expensive, and the SP is expected to provide GFE (girl friend experience) DATY DFK etc. This is the level of service that is expected by punters here, but everything goes "without saying," and punters just have to feel their way during the appointment (oftentimes YMMV). Therefore, when we get to FKK, we are very practiced at stretching the clock to get what we want from the appointment. I seriously doubt that you would ever see an American in his 40's or 50's doing a 30 min appointment in FKK unless the girl was awful and he decides to cut his losses. For an American, it's not a numbers game, it's the quality of the experience, and just a single, albeit long session is enough for the day. As an aside, we like the big Hessen clubs, but also like to retreat to GT for the same reasons as yourselves. LMFAO. Salut![/QUOTE]Of course there are 30 minute appointments. From experience! LOL. Have you checked backpage or eros or any other escort website? In the US you also don't get BBBJ, but if you think that Americans that get here don't check ISG or other forums, you are wrong. Everybody searched the internet in any fuck tour. This forum is priceless for tourists because the posters here, each with is differing and at time controversial opinion, know FKK inside out. Any piece of insight helps them. Even a tourist that visited FKK over 10-20 times has some FKK experience to handle themselves, I know quite a few. These recent postings here, which I hope are not the last, about Delia (pussy hurts constantly so can't fuck), Laura Oase (500 euro cheat), Stella new Sharks (bending pelvis so you can't fuck) and many others with Hollywood stories will help all of us, new and more experienced. Girls have clicks, why not us? Thanks ISG for the platform.
Let's hope we all keep sharing which girls we should watch out for wisely and respectfully and obviously not out of a personal grudge.
Xoxo.
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[QUOTE=Optimist;1936389]Excellent. An example to us all.[/QUOTE]OK but may be this girl needs to work to pay for the chemotherapy of her father or her children are very sick. Mostly well educated girls with good family background will not have to work in a FKK, going with a girl for session is not the same as to buy a product, most of the girl are doing their best to satisfy the customer, personally I will never go to the front desk just because I respect the girls and I can also accept that some days they are not at their top.
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[QUOTE=TankTank123;1936093]Delia did that with me too, early this year. I did not mention this bad experience in my posts as I (wrongly) thought it was genuine.[/QUOTE]Just a note; this is 5 people I know personally, face to face, that Delia did that and TankTank123 now makes 6. How many more? I will bet that this post will help counter Delias BS routine.
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[QUOTE=Optimist;1936389]Excellent. An example to us all.[/QUOTE]I'm proud, after about 400 days in FKK, never took or been taken by any girl to desk, I never force them and usually, except Nina at Sharks, they don't try to fuck me, even they are not all top girls.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;1936124]Officially there are around 600.000 prostitutes in Germany nobody knows exactly what and where they are working.[/QUOTE]I've heard about this figure. Could fit if you count weekly changing girls every week as a new girl plus you count every girl together / married with a guy more than 15 years older as a prostitute. It's deliberate propaganda. I bet after new law next year then with registered working P6 girls there are max. 200.000.
I know Hessen quite well that mean with 600.000 in total Germany for Hessen around 50.000 according population maybe due to largest german airport and the largest fair trades in Frankfurt even more. My rough guess for different girls during one year at Hessen at all clubs, in apartments, at brothels and on streets in total I see max. 17.000 and this makes for Germany in total around 200.000.
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Clodius1: It feels like american punters in their 40's and 50's are more like half way between a european and an asian. And the minimum 1 h sessions comes just as much from the fact that you have to fly so far with overpriced shitty american airlines to get to a good mongering location like Germany is now. In europe for europeans it feels more like a quick cheeseburger, or we might go for an upgraded whopper on a nice day. But something we can eat many of, than an octupal bypass burger from heart attack grill that lands you in a hospital after leaving...
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[QUOTE=Danny227;1936217]Thank amigo, I am really good on my personal sessions front. It isn't about a personal experience that can vary, this about systematic behavior (with a certain significance level say 0. 05) regardless of how nice you are or how much money you pay. Girls who cheat will do it when you give them 200 as well because it is never enough. They will always ask more. Names should be given here for girls who cheat, obviously in a smart way. In a 250 session in Oase a couple of weeks ago, the girl almost crying in the room saying please give me more money I have car trouble and I need to fix it before I go home it will cost me 800 euro. This girl didn't cheat but was greedy, but it brings across the approach. I will not book her again even though she was a decent plus session.[/QUOTE]Read between the lines. She did not earn enough and her pimp won't let her go home until she hits her quota.
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Cheeseburger Paradise
Pistons,
Yes I like your food analogy! In USA, ordering overpriced, overweight GPS ho for $400+ per hour is like ordering off the picture menu of some new restaurant. You never know what's really coming to the table until it's too late. But FKK is not like this at all, it is more like a food buffet where you can pick and choose your food after looking and smelling it firsthand before paying for it, yes? Also, you are right about crisply American airline carriers who stuff passengers in metal tube like sausages. But at least our pilots don't fly into oceans like EgyptAir or mountain sides like GermanWings. Just pop a Xanax and daydream about FKK over the pond! Cheers.
[QUOTE=Pistons;1936505]Clodius1: It feels like american punters in their 40's and 50's are more like half way between a european and an asian. And the minimum 1 h sessions comes just as much from the fact that you have to fly so far with overpriced shitty american airlines to get to a good mongering location like Germany is now. In europe for europeans it feels more like a quick cheeseburger, or we might go for an upgraded whopper on a nice day. But something we can eat many of, than an octupal bypass burger from heart attack grill that lands you in a hospital after leaving...[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;1936437]OK but may be this girl needs to work to pay for the chemotherapy of her father or her children are very sick. Mostly well educated girls with good family background will not have to work in a FKK, going with a girl for session is not the same as to buy a product, most of the girl are doing their best to satisfy the customer, personally I will never go to the front desk just because I respect the girls and I can also accept that some days they are not at their top.[/QUOTE]If a girl isn't able to offer the *minimum* basic services that the price involves, then she should disclose that to the customer *before* going into the room with the customer before the customer is committed to paying for less than what was bargained for.
The type of sales practice of enticing someone in the room with the expectation of certain minimum services and then charging that person for less than the minimum basic services is known as the bait-and-switch ([URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bait-and-switch[/URL]). This tactic is widely recognized as unethical and downright fraudulent.
As a counterexample of this practice, in one case, I met a girl, not long ago, who couldn't work one night because her pussy was hurting because some jerk was too rough with her (another long story). She wanted to go upstairs and quit for the day but being rather new to the club, she didn't feel comfortable admitting to Reception that she was hurting and couldn't work anymore that night. So, she was just hanging out with me waiting for her shift to end, in effect giving me tons of "free time" with her. After a good while hanging out together, I suggested that we go to the room together just for BJ and kissing, so she could make some money and I could enjoy the end of the evening at the club. I had a absolutely wonderful, magical time with her but she clearly disclosed her limitations to me beforehand so I knew exactly what I was getting myself into. I even ended up giving her a good tip since I had such a good time with her. Unfortunately for all the guys out there, this sweet girl has recently quit the biz. I will miss her.
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[QUOTE=Danny227;1936446]Just a note; this is 5 people I know personally, face to face, that Delia did that and TankTank123 now makes 6. How many more? I will bet that this post will help counter Delias BS routine.[/QUOTE]Good information about Delia, Stella, or Laura, even always subjective and each one his game, because some kind of clients are known to be easy to fuck and some even return to be fucked regularly. I'm pretty sure if I go to Laura at Oase, she will be so surprised, she may try for CIM but not more than club rate. If guys behave like men, they should not get upsell. Out of CIM which is a fashion service at Oase because they don t have to eat, Maria Platinum, Ina, Roxana, even Suginella never asked for more money, I even regret Suginella or Roxana never proposed me anal, in doggy, looking at their wide opened ass, but too big, no girl propose, only Anna. It at Wellcum. At, trying for 20 mn but couldn't enter, only 2 fingers, and she really tried, jumping on me, to get her 100 extra, so 240 for 1 hour.
Even when I have problems with a girl, I don t need to take her to the desk, I prefer to find a new lovely beauty, it gives me more pleasure to enjoy this new discovery.
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[QUOTE=Akibono;1936593]Read between the lines. She did not earn enough and her pimp won't let her go home until she hits her quota.[/QUOTE]Are you pussy whipped or just outright out there? For one it is bullshit! For another, it is impertinent. This is not my problem. This is a profession like any other. You get paid to do a service and if you can't do it, go home, don't work. I don't see my server begging for tips. I don't see my mechanic asking for extra, he gives me discounts, so I don't go elsewhere. I don't care about their personal problems like they don't care about mine. An exchange of goods or service for monetary benefit, dude. Please, clean the pussy juice from eyes and ears and join the real world.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;1936480]I'm proud, after about 400 days in FKK, never took or been taken by any girl to desk, I never force them and usually, except Nina at Sharks, they don't try to fuck me, even they are not all top girls.[/QUOTE]I never did also, Siri. And, I have a good reputation in all clubs, but the next that fucks with me goes to the reception with my full might. Disclaimer, this does not apply to my regulars who I know by now and may have a tired day. This applies to the Laura, Delia and their friends.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;1936437]OK but may be this girl needs to work to pay for the chemotherapy of her father or her children are very sick. Mostly well educated girls with good family background will not have to work in a FKK, going with a girl for session is not the same as to buy a product, most of the girl are doing their best to satisfy the customer, personally I will never go to the front desk just because I respect the girls and I can also accept that some days they are not at their top.[/QUOTE]I have never taken a girl to a front desk but nothing excuses cheating. There are easy ways to pay for chemotherapy apart from a girl cheating. Recently a girl told me she had to raise 6000 for an operation for her mother. Her solution? She worked extra and made the money in two weeks. My response? Respect, compliments, and giving her easy and long sessions. So, by being a good worker, she made 1500 from me instead of 50.
I do not respect girls who have no respect for themselves and cheat. She has her reasons to cheat, but I see no reason to support them and encourage bad behaviour, which only damages her further.
If a girl has a bad day then I have no problem: I have paid a lot over the years to girls with migraines, stomach ache, pussy pain, even when they couldn't really work properly or at all.The difference is that these girls didn't cheat me.I gave them support, help, and money, extending sessions even when they felt the sessions should end because they couldn't provide the normal service.They provided something else: honesty. Exactly as UltraHappy described
So going to the front desk about a girl who intentionally cheats is an option I support
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[QUOTE=Akibono;1936593]Read between the lines. She did not earn enough and her pimp won't let her go home until she hits her quota.[/QUOTE]A girl can make more money normally by good service than by cheating, so I doubt that pimp imposed targets are the reason for cheating in most cases.
Of course, it can and does happen, but girls with pimps are often in a group and the group will conspire to limit their earnings if a pimp is greedy. Many pimps are more like employment agencies: getting rich by providing a service to the girl (getting her into a club and accommodation) and then taking a percentage. With only a few girls a pimp can make good money.
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UltraHappy. Exactly right in all aspects.