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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2547767]So true, but as a 'return favour' we get communism in the rest of Europe now: central economic planning and a Covid1984 police state.
Want to see the future of German FKKs? Look at Sweden where ultra radical leftwing feminist and a bunch of soy-boy-feminised 'men' are running the show.
Traditionally, P6 has prospered in a conservative and business-minded climate just look at Hong Kong, West-Germany, Holland, Belgium. Wherever there is liberty, there is prosperity, and where there is prosperity, there are WGs. The only exception is the puritan US and the Victorian UK. The more leftwing and religious a country gets, the worse and more over-regulated the situation becomes with P6. Communism is a religion, or better yet, a cult, just remember that Marx said about religion: "the opium of the people."[/QUOTE]Worthy of pointing out that the reverse is not true as there is plenty of P6 in South America and Southeast Asia, areas lacking in prosperity. Likewise, the counter arguments of America, Sweden, Norway, and France show that liberty and prosperity does not mean prevalent P6.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2547671]You can also find some East-Germans complaining about the good old days.[/QUOTE]When you write "some", I am assuming you mean like 10 percent of East Germans yearn for the good old days? In Romania, that figure is 63 percent, which would be a majority. East Germany had West Germany to smooth its transition. Romania was not nearly as fortunate. Romanians have more freedom than they did under communism, but less economic security and probably more corruption. So what worked for East Germany did not work for Romania. Maybe someone who is more well-versed in political science or economics can explain why.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2547654]Ceausescu was initially seen as relatively progressive, he got in power in 1965 after Gheorghiu-Dej who was Romania's leader during Stalinist times. He publicly objected to the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968 which made him quite popular at the time. As well, economically situation was improving even if from a low starting point, but seeing some progress people were optimistic. He got some support from Western countries, loans, visits from Nixon and de Gaulle, de Gaulle gave him the Lgion d'honneur (Romania started manufacturing Renault licensed cars), got a horse carriage ride through London with Queen Elizabeth (Romania was supposed to build licensed BAC 1-11 jets). Unfortunately for Romania a visit to North Korea and China gave him lots of bad ideas so any progress started to be reversed. The decision to pay off foreign debt in a few years brought the economic suffering of the 80's.[/QUOTE]Good historical context.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2547654]My contact with Romanians (excluding WGs) is with people in their 30's or 40's with a university degree. It's a different perspective than one would get from construction workers or lettuce pickers.[/QUOTE]Google search reveals that 15 percent of Romanians aged 15-64 hold a university degree. Not sure if that includes for instance the Romanians who graduate from medical school and immigrate to Western Europe for better opportunities. In either case, I would say that most of these university graduates are "elites" as opposed to average. From what I have heard, more so than most other countries, if your family has money in Romania, you can get a degree without even studying!
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2547671]You can also find some East-Germans complaining about the good old days. There was food and housing for everyone. Problem, the country had a tremendous and continuously growing debt towards the West-Germany and basically it was not sustainable. And although the regime was not as authoritarian as in the neighbor countries, the lack of freedom was really getting on the nerves of the younger generation.[/QUOTE]Okay, appears I was wrong, per 2009 poll, depending on how you want to interpret. 49 percent say GDR had some good and some bad sides, but life was good. 8 percent say GDR was mostly good and better than reunified Germany.
[QUOTE]Today, 20 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, 57 percent, or an absolute majority, of eastern Germans defend the former East Germany. "The GDR had more good sides than bad sides. There were some problems, but life was good there," say 49 percent of those polled. Eight percent of eastern Germans flatly oppose all criticism of their former home and agree with the statement: "The GDR had, for the most part, good sides. Life there was happier and better than in reunified Germany today."
https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/homesick-for-a-dictatorship-majority-of-eastern-germans-feel-life-better-under-communism-a-634122.html..[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2547773]I don't know that there wouldn't have been any FKKs. But, there certainly wouldn't have been as many successful ones without the huge influx of Romanian talent. I've boinked so many Romanian girls that I feel like I should go to Romania just to pay a visit and show my appreciation.[/QUOTE]I am often in Romania and other eastern Europe countries, you will be surprised to see how the life is normal there, prostitution is just a very small part of the life like in all the countries. Due to salary increase in China and the wish of many companies to shorten their supply chain you will also see huge number of trucks around Vienna driving to Romania or Hungary or Croatia. Real estate prices double in the last 12 months due to the return home of many Hungarians from England, Germany. Most of the people are happy there, open society, very safe and the police doing their job compare to France or Italy.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2547767]... The only exception is the puritan US ...[/QUOTE]I do not believe religion is the cause of the sexual repression in the US. Sexual repression is a tool used to keep the people angry, spiteful and divided. That way the wealthy can better subdue the population. People who are sexually active have clearer minds and can easier understand what is really taking place in their country. Sexually frustrated people focus on small things and attacking each other and do not contemplate the big picture.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2548070]I do not believe religion is the cause of the sexual repression in the US. Sexual repression is a tool used to keep the people angry, spiteful and divided. That way the wealthy can better subdue the population. People who are sexually active have clearer minds and can easier understand what is really taking place in their country. Sexually frustrated people focus on small things and attacking each other and do not contemplate the big picture.[/QUOTE]Maybe we should think about the % of married man or living a stable relationship visiting prostitutes, for me it is more than 70%. Will it not be better for them to invest in their relation and being sexually satisfy than to fuck prostitutes which will obviously bring no solution to their problems.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2548037]I am often in Romania and other eastern Europe countries, you will be surprised to see how the life is normal there, prostitution is just a very small part of the life like in all the countries. Due to salary increase in China and the wish of many companies to shorten their supply chain you will also see huge number of trucks around Vienna driving to Romania or Hungary or Croatia. Real estate prices double in the last 12 months due to the return home of many Hungarians from England, Germany. Most of the people are happy there, open society, very safe and the police doing their job compare to France or Italy.[/QUOTE]You mean to tell us Romanians have good level of life at home? No corruption? Are you serious? So maybe Romanian girls come to Western because they have pleasure to be fucked by mostly old fat treating them like pieces of meat? Do you know not even minimum salary in Hungary? And some Hungarian girls prostitute or are in porn. To really know difference between mostly misery now and before the wall, have to speak with people who are more than 50, then they knew how was life behind the wall, they got freedom but also misery, out of Bucharest city, Cluj and Constanza.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2548084]Maybe we should think about the % of married man or living a stable relationship visiting prostitutes, for me it is more than 70%. Will it not be better for them to invest in their relation and being sexually satisfy than to fuck prostitutes which will obviously bring no solution to their problems.[/QUOTE]For sure, according to girls, many married, they don't believe me when I say I m not, they take my hands to look if mark on fingers. Many married go to brothels because mum doesn't want because they are not able to give her pleasure, when women ask for when you give them, or because mum would not accept some ways for sex.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2548084]Maybe we should think about the % of married man or living a stable relationship visiting prostitutes, for me it is more than 70%. Will it not be better for them to invest in their relation and being sexually satisfy than to fuck prostitutes which will obviously bring no solution to their problems.[/QUOTE]How do you know the married men who visit SD's need a "solution to their problems"?
For all you know it may not be a problem for some of them at all.
Many men do departmentalise the lives and in this instance they may be happy with their lives, whoever they are with.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2547799]Worthy of pointing out that the reverse is not true as there is plenty of P6 in South America and Southeast Asia, areas lacking in prosperity. Likewise, the counter arguments of America, Sweden, Norway, and France show that liberty and prosperity does not mean prevalent P6..[/QUOTE]Alternatively it means people in USA, France, Norway and Sweden are more religious.
Just look at Germany and where the liberal and non-liberal areas are regarding sex. The line is as clear as the Catholic / Lutheran divide. And as we all know, Lutherans tend to easier loose interest in religion because they actually understand the translated crap.
USA is a brainwashed cesspool full of religious snowflakes. All of France along with Italy is catholic and pope has brainwashed them. Scandinavia has currently this whole feminism thing ongoing, but as far as I can tell, that is just temporary. Something you would perhaps understand more if you lived in Scandinavia, watched reality TV here etc, or maybe even party with local girls. Lapdances are as normal as the sunrise at most parties at the right age. Same with Britain, Australia. Much closer to Scandinavia in this regard than France or even Germany. As a matter of fact Britain and Australia are a few years ahead of Scandinavia and currently trendsetters in some liberal areas. The recent ban of some internet porn in Britain is just a last ditch effort, so I wouldn't look too much into that.
Women will soon understand that liberty for women actually means they are allowed to have more sex. Not less. And be more slutty. Not less. Who says **** is a negative word anyway?
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France has not been a catholic country for maybe a century but well, suit yourself.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2548070]I do not believe religion is the cause of the sexual repression in the US. Sexual repression is a tool used to keep the people angry, spiteful and divided. That way the wealthy can better subdue the population. People who are sexually active have clearer minds and can easier understand what is really taking place in their country. Sexually frustrated people focus on small things and attacking each other and do not contemplate the big picture.[/QUOTE]Religion does not directly cause sexual repression in the USA. Religion's effect on cultural moral values extends to America's ethical views of sexual promiscuity and, even more so, ethical views of paid sex.
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[QUOTE=Canary;2548170]How do you know the married men who visit SD's need a "solution to their problems"?
For all you know it may not be a problem for some of them at all.
Many men do departmentalise the lives and in this instance they may be happy with their lives, whoever they are with.[/QUOTE]If you are happy in your relation why should you visit prostitutes, is it not better to have sex with your spouse or GF? I think if you need sex with prostitute you have a problem in your relation and to solve it, fucking prostitutes is not bringing any improvement. Let us make it the other way, if your spouse or GF will tell you that she has sex with other man and that she is paying for it I am not sure you will agree about it. I heard so many times the excuse of departmentalize which is only a absolutely necessary to preserve your relation. Are you able to tell your wife or GF that you fuck prostitutes, of course not therefore the only solution is to departmentise.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2548199]Alternatively it means people in USA, France, Norway and Sweden are more religious.
Just look at Germany and where the liberal and non-liberal areas are regarding sex. The line is as clear as the Catholic / Lutheran divide. And as we all know, Lutherans tend to easier loose interest in religion because they actually understand the translated crap.
USA is a brainwashed cesspool full of religious snowflakes. All of France along with Italy is catholic and pope has brainwashed them. Scandinavia has currently this whole feminism thing ongoing, but as far as I can tell, that is just temporary. Something you would perhaps understand more if you lived in Scandinavia, watched reality TV here etc, or maybe even party with local girls. Lapdances are as normal as the sunrise at most parties at the right age. Same with Britain, Australia. Much closer to Scandinavia in this regard than France or even Germany. As a matter of fact Britain and Australia are a few years ahead of Scandinavia and currently trendsetters in some liberal areas. The recent ban of some internet porn in Britain is just a last ditch effort, so I wouldn't look too much into that.
Women will soon understand that liberty for women actually means they are allowed to have more sex. Not less. And be more slutty. Not less. Who says **** is a negative word anyway?[/QUOTE]About women, sex is not prostitution. Most of WGs don/t know much about sexuality, from their pimp level for sex.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2548215]France has not been a catholic country for maybe a century but well, suit yourself.[/QUOTE]I think most people share your view. I know the French Constitution explicitly strives for that. Quite early on in your Constitution too, as in, Article I, Line 1:
"France is an indivisible, [B]secular[/B], democratic and social Republic, guaranteeing that all citizens regardless of their origin, race or religion are treated as equals before the law and respecting all religious beliefs."
Have not met many very religious French. Not many religious Brits either.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2548215]France has not been a catholic country for maybe a century but well, suit yourself.[/QUOTE]Here you go:
[URL]https://sites.google.com/site/crossculturemnp/religion-1[/URL]
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2548277]If you are happy in your relation why should you visit prostitutes, is it not better to have sex with your spouse or GF? I think if you need sex with prostitute you have a problem in your relation and to solve it, fucking prostitutes is not bringing any improvement. Let us make it the other way, if your spouse or GF will tell you that she has sex with other man and that she is paying for it I am not sure you will agree about it. I heard so many times the excuse of departmentalize which is only a absolutely necessary to preserve your relation. Are you able to tell your wife or GF that you fuck prostitutes, of course not therefore the only solution is to departmentise.[/QUOTE]You can be happy in a relationship and still want fuck another woman. Happiness does not somehow remove desire and feelings of "want".
Departmentalize (sic) - Compartmentalizing love and happiness with sexual desire has been happening for thousands of years. Life is not a Disney movie where you just love one person and all other emotions and feelings are muted by the "power of true love."
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2548422]Here you go:
[URL]https://sites.google.com/site/crossculturemnp/religion-1[/URL][/QUOTE]I'd really like to know who is the amateur who designed this site and where did he find the figures. And how he defines being a catholic (little reminder in France official statistics about religion and race are forbidden).
According to the Vatican, in 2005,77% of the French where baptized. 15 years ago.
[URL]https://www.cairn.info/revue-population-et-avenir-2007-4-page-14.htm[/URL]
As you can see in the first graph this ratio has been constantly declining.
Unless I missed a recent surge of faith recently, I don't think that those last years everyone found his way in the catholic religion.
On the second graph you find the share of people describing themselves as Catholics in France. Same think, it has been constantly declining. And it's around 2/3 of the number of baptized people.
Even better, more recent source and in English:
[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/459982/population-distribution-religion-france/[/URL]
38 M of self described Catholics, not exactly 83 to 88 %.
I suggest you double check the information before you post it next time. They didn't teach you this in your communication school?
Churches in France are getting more and more empty, they're decaying because they're running short of money, more and more children born out of a wedding, gay marriage is authorized, no real problem for abortion, doesn't sound like a catholic country to me. Unfortunately we're turning in some kind of Islamic state in some neighborhoods, but the Catholics nowadays you only hear them when they demonstrate against the gay marriage or against adoption for LGBT.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2548422]Here you go:
[URL]https://sites.google.com/site/crossculturemnp/religion-1[/URL][/QUOTE]Interesting quote from that document: "France has one of the lowest number of church attendance in the world, which accounts for less than 5 percent of the population". And another interesting quote: "there are higher number of practicing Muslims than the number of practicing Catholics".
So, they check the box "Catholic" on whatever form, but don't go to church, maybe for a wedding. I bet many would quickly uncheck that box on a form if there would be a church tax like in Germany, Switzerland, Austria and a few other countries. I think order of magnitude it's 8 - 12 % of your income tax.
When I moved to Switzerland I made damn sure that I declared myself atheist. From the money I saved on my income tax I can pay for a hell of a lot of WGs.
When they bury me, there will be no priest present, I can live with that.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2548396]I think most people share your view. I know the French Constitution explicitly strives for that. Quite early on in your Constitution too, as in, Article I, Line 1:
"France is an indivisible, [B]secular[/B], democratic and social Republic, guaranteeing that all citizens regardless of their origin, race or religion are treated as equals before the law and respecting all religious beliefs."
Have not met many very religious French. Not many religious Brits either.[/QUOTE]For sure, you should not meet many in brothels, but still in France, going weekly to church. Funny, some Romanian WGs go to church for Easter.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2548495]I'd really like to know who is the amateur who designed this site and where did he find the figures. And how he defines being a catholic (little reminder in France official statistics about religion and race are forbidden).
I suggest you double check the information before you post it next time. They didn't teach you this in your communication school?.[/QUOTE]Here's a Gallop poll that puts France in the top 10 most atheist and non-religious populations. In fact, it has France listed as the 4th most atheist and 8th least religious nation in the world. It breaks down the population to 34% not religious, 29% atheist, and only 37% religious. Combine that with the Constitutional decree that France shall be secular, it seems that claiming that France is a Catholic country is a load of horse shit motivated by pure contrarianism, very consistent with the typical conspiracy theorist character. It's opposition just for the sake of opposition, facts not needed.
[URL]https://sidmennt.is/wp-content/uploads/Gallup-International-um-tr%C3%BA-og-tr%C3%BAleysi-2012.pdf[/URL]
I do find it funny that Romania is 89% religious, putting it in the top 10 religious countries, LOL.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2548503]Interesting quote from that document: "France has one of the lowest number of church attendance in the world, which accounts for less than 5 percent of the population". And another interesting quote: "there are higher number of practicing Muslims than the number of practicing Catholics".
So, they check the box "Catholic" on whatever form, but don't go to church, maybe for a wedding. I bet many would quickly uncheck that box on a form if there would be a church tax like in Germany, Switzerland, Austria and a few other countries. I think order of magnitude it's 8 - 12 % of your income tax.
When I moved to Switzerland I made damn sure that I declared myself atheist. From the money I saved on my income tax I can pay for a hell of a lot of WGs.
When they bury me, there will be no priest present, I can live with that.[/QUOTE]Clearly you have zero knowledge on how religious brainwashing works!
Ok, here is a clue: It gives people a sense of upbringing and localization. It doesn't matter if they never go to church, their parent were Catholics. And that's enough. Or even their grandparents. The non sexual sentiments lingers for generations.
But sure, the entire idea on bringing in Muslims is just that: to uproot the brainwashing and get a new start. It won't be a Muslim start though.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2548538]For sure, you should not meet many in brothels, but still in France, going weekly to church. Funny, some Romanian WGs go to church for Easter.[/QUOTE]You realize that I lived in Metz, France in 2002? I've met many more Frenchmen that do not go to brothels. Even in a small city, on Sunday mornings, most people were not at Church.
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Mr. Bovenschulte, Peter Tschentscher, Daniel Guenther, Manuela Schwesig, Dietmar Woidke, Michael Mueller, Rainer Haseloff, Stephan Weil, Armin Laschet, Marie Luise Dreyer, Tobias Hans, Volker Bouffier, Winfried Kretschmann, Markus Soeder, Bodo Ramelow, Michael Kretschmer and Angela Merkel.
These people are responsible for restricted basic rights of the German citizens. Restrictions since over a year.
These people are responsible for a stricter night life shutdown (bars, restaurants and clubs, who were never really open again) in November 2020. Result, rising numbers.
These people are responsible for a more strict shutdown (plus the schools, small shops, amateur sport clubs and so) in December 2020. Result, rising numbers.
These people are responsible for the same shutdown in January 2021. No effect, the original sars cov2 just was getting tired.
These people are responsible for the same shutdown in February 2021. The result at the end of the month, rising numbers. Because the "mutants" stepped on the stage.
These people are responsible for continuing the shutdown politic in March 2021. Result, rising numbers.
Closing parts of life has no or only a very very tiny effect.
But guess what they are still doing? Yeah, planning more measures till "enough" people are vaccinated.
We people were just to slow in March 2020 as the whole German Bundestag misused the infection protection law. The whole Bundestag, every political party, no opposition during these days.
The damage is done.
From next week on, only children are allowed to go into the school if they have a negative test result. No negative test result, no school together with other children. That means, children who have no negative test result are treated like children who are corona positive (infectious, ill). Hopefully two weeks later these kids are not dead. Or recovered?
German government is still ignoring the possibility that many people are "hidden" recovered.
Germany, 83.2 million citizens.
0.27% of the people counted currently as "active cases".
Believe it or not. Some Germans, random people, want stricter corona rules. I have a nice idea for them. Quit your job, you know, 10 hours home office (including 6 hours show sitting) is boring, be honest. Start instead working in a hospital, home for older people, test station or vaccine center.
First, you can show solidarity with your beloved system.
Second, you can get your needle so much quicker! Great or what?
Do it, support your tyrannical system!
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2548495]Churches in France are getting more and more empty, they're decaying because they're running short of money..[/QUOTE]It's an overall phenomenon in Western Europe. Church attendance continuously dropping. Things like the Catholic church protecting pedophile priests don't help them.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2548503]Interesting quote from that document: "France has one of the lowest number of church attendance in the world, which accounts for less than 5 percent of the population". And another interesting quote: "there are higher number of practicing Muslims than the number of practicing Catholics".
So, they check the box "Catholic" on whatever form, but don't go to church, maybe for a wedding. I bet many would quickly uncheck that box on a form if there would be a church tax like in Germany, Switzerland, Austria and a few other countries. I think order of magnitude it's 8 - 12 % of your income tax.
When I moved to Switzerland I made damn sure that I declared myself atheist. From the money I saved on my income tax I can pay for a hell of a lot of WGs.
When they bury me, there will be no priest present, I can live with that.[/QUOTE]LOL, Pistons usually read only the title of things!
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2548585]Clearly you have zero knowledge on how religious brainwashing works!
Ok, here is a clue: It gives people a sense of upbringing and localization. It doesn't matter if they never go to church, their parent were Catholics. And that's enough. Or even their grandparents. The non sexual sentiments lingers for generations.
But sure, the entire idea on bringing in Muslims is just that: to uproot the brainwashing and get a new start. It won't be a Muslim start though.[/QUOTE]I was told that Catholics have less problems with sex than others. Confess, say your 3 hail marys and you still end up in paradise.
Anyway, it's simplistic to say Catholics are like this or that. Compare Brasil and Poland with regards attitude around sex.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2548586]You realize that I lived in Metz, France in 2002? I've met many more Frenchmen that do not go to brothels. Even in a small city, on Sunday mornings, most people were not at Church.[/QUOTE]Maybe for US, but if you were able to think European, you would know Metz is not a small town in Europe, not London nor Paris, but not small. For Easter, when had scandal in France with a quite full church with people not having mask inside. Some people still go to church in France and more numerous in villages. In Paris, other entertainments like Euro Disney.
Maybe because of lack of vaccine, or because many refuse AZ, or because some are positive after vaccine, but some French medicals start to say to vaccine only when at risk, then no need if you think you are not at risk, better to be sure about own health of course, when even young but obese or diabetic are at risk.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2548778]I was told that Catholics have less problems with sex than others. Confess, say your 3 hail marys and you still end up in paradise.
Anyway, it's simplistic to say Catholics are like this or that. Compare Brasil and Poland with regards attitude around sex.[/QUOTE]And you still believe what you hear. That is the only thing worth extrapolating from your comments.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2548853]Maybe for US, but if you were able to think European, you would know Metz is not a small town in Europe, not London nor Paris, but not small. For Easter, when had scandal in France with a quite full church with people not having mask inside. Some people still go to church in France and more numerous in villages. In Paris, other entertainments like Euro Disney.
Maybe because of lack of vaccine, or because many refuse AZ, or because some are positive after vaccine, but some French medicals start to say to vaccine only when at risk, then no need if you think you are not at risk, better to be sure about own health of course, when even young but obese or diabetic are at risk.[/QUOTE]Mets population m: 116 K.
Definition of a small city: "Typical working definitions for small-city populations start at around 100,000 people."
[URL]https://www.google.com/search?q=small+city+population&rlz=1 CDGOYI_enUS769 US769&oq=small+city+popula&aqs=chrome. 0. 0 i20 i263 j69 i57 j0 i20 i263 j0 j0 i22 i30 l2. 3752 j0 j4&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8[/URL]
Those specific of "French Medicals" (what ever that specifically means) are giving you information from an individual's perspective. The public health perspective is, "if we all took this pretty amazing product of modern science, we would be able to open things up a lot quicker."
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2548720]LOL, Pistons usually read only the title of things![/QUOTE]I've noticed that too.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2548720]LOL, Pistons usually read only the title of things![/QUOTE]And he has super secret sources of information available only to communications experts like him. Then he quotes websites designed by 4 year olds.
For example, there is no reliable data for India, their statistics are far behind.
Mumbai (which of course is not entire India) reported 25% excess mortality. Far from max 10% of covid deaths are reported.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2548884]And you still believe what you hear. That is the only thing worth extrapolating from your comments.[/QUOTE]I believe what credible people say. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2548586]You realize that I lived in Metz, France in 2002? I've met many more Frenchmen that do not go to brothels. Even in a small city, on Sunday mornings, most people were not at Church.[/QUOTE]Naughty boy! I'm sure you visited Paradise Saarbrucken back in those days.
Relatively speaking, in France Metz is a metropol. Small cities are more under 20 k inhabitants.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2548928]Mets population m: 116 K.
Definition of a small city: "Typical working definitions for small-city populations start at around 100,000 people."
[URL]https://www.google.com/search?q=small+city+population&rlz=1 CDGOYI_enUS769 US769&oq=small+city+popula&aqs=chrome. 0. 0 i20 i263 j69 i57 j0 i20 i263 j0 j0 i22 i30 l2. 3752 j0 j4&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8[/URL]
Those specific of "French Medicals" (what ever that specifically means) are giving you information from an individual's perspective. The public health perspective is, "if we all took this pretty amazing product of modern science, we would be able to open things up a lot quicker."[/QUOTE]Your data's seem to think for you, when I'm a free bird, not a sheep, even I put on mask for others, but thinking by myself and I wish all those who need or want to get protection versus killer. In EU, whatever can say Google or Wikipedia, but Metz is not a small town, would even be a quite big city in Switzerland. EU have different standards than China or US, when Google think US, but I prefer to know from the real field, not just average data's, a bit like before elections. Are always data reality? Of course, I won t even say about Chinese or north Korean or Russian datas, when 60% Russians don t want to vaccine with their sputnik, when they don t trust Putin. About AZ with more and more restrictions and people refusing, even data say gain is better than risk, but if a woman or daughter I loved, had big health problems or died, I would just don t care about data, even I know medical is not exact science and only small knowledge about this virus. What I call medicals are doctors, nurses, hospitals. At least, I trust them in France, but if I was asked to vaccine for public safety, I would answer: not with AZ, I don t want to be a risk, when I choose my own risks.
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Some guys, even on this board, extol the virtues of a happy married life against the happy monger. Consequently, I have a question for you guys: Who was the happiest man who ever lived?
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2549037]Your data's seem to think for you, when I'm a free bird, not a sheep, even I put on mask for others, but thinking by myself and I wish all those who need or want to get protection versus killer. In EU, whatever can say Google or Wikipedia, but Metz is not a [b]small town[/b], would even be a quite big city in Switzerland. EU have different standards than China or US, when Google think US, but I prefer to know from the real field, not just average data's, a bit like before elections. Are always data reality? Of course, I won t even say about Chinese or north Korean or Russian datas, when 60% Russians don t want to vaccine with their sputnik, when they don t trust Putin. About AZ with more and more restrictions and people refusing, even data say gain is better than risk, but if a woman or daughter I loved, had big health problems or died, I would just don t care about data, even I know medical is not exact science and only small knowledge about this virus. What I call medicals are doctors, nurses, hospitals. At least, I trust them in France, but if I was asked to vaccine for public safety, I would answer: not with AZ, I don t want to be a risk, when I choose my own risks.[/QUOTE]Who said Metz was a small town. I'm pretty sure I called it a "small city. " Pretty big difference. Details matter. Read better if trying to be contrarian.
Building beliefs based around reliable data rather than selecting data based on naked personal beliefs seems like a pretty solid approach for the 21st century man. Only old dinosaurs don't value data. Don't be like the political posters / conspiracy theorists. In some ways, you're better than them.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2549004]Naughty boy! I'm sure you visited Paradise Saarbrucken back in those days.
Relatively speaking, in France Metz is a metropol. Small cities are more under 20 k inhabitants.[/QUOTE]Small cities versus small town. For the English delineation of the terms, 20 K is a small town but certainly not a city. The word city in itself implies a minimum population.
When using English terminology, Metz is a small city. 116 K inhabitants. Small town, not so much.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2549092]Some guys, even on this board, extol the virtues of a happy married life against the happy monger. Consequently, I have a question for you guys: Who was the happiest man who ever lived?[/QUOTE]The laws of the universe do not dictate that companionship (married life) and mongering (lustful desire) be mutually exclusive. Furthermore, marital infidelity and love for your companion (s) are not mutually exclusive. The emotional effects of infidelity and / or secrecy / deception on your companionship is a separately distinguishable matter.
My guess is that the happiest men on earth were people like King Solomon or the Kings of Siam. Men who had wealth, power, and the companionship of multiple "wives. " They obviously had the power to rid himself of any single wife if she acted "out of line."
As such, many married men who also have numerous hooker / FKK wives are probably quite happy.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2549092]Some guys, even on this board, extol the virtues of a happy married life against the happy monger. Consequently, I have a question for you guys: Who was the happiest man who ever lived?[/QUOTE]In my opinion, the happiest guy is the one who has no need, when rich want to be richer, WGs think money is happiness. In my beloved mountains, I see people, everybody here would say they are poor with difficult life, waking up early, but they would not leave their life. A guy whose wife look at him with eyes full of love, should also be happy. Paid sex is just a failure, even can have pleasure.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2549105]Who said Metz was a small town. I'm pretty sure I called it a "small city. " Pretty big difference. Details matter. Read better if trying to be contrarian.
Building beliefs based around reliable data rather than selecting data based on naked personal beliefs seems like a pretty solid approach for the 21st century man. Only old dinosaurs don't value data. Don't be like the political posters / conspiracy theorists. In some ways, you're better than them.[/QUOTE]According to EU standards, Metz is not a small city, being a French district capital and could be a kanton capital in Switzerland, bigger than Solothurn or pretty sure Fribourg. Paradise Sarrebrucken, nor Prestige Neunkirchen didn't exist on early 2000's, maybe club 214 in Sarrebrucken, where worked french girls. As I m not a follower, I try to think by myself, I feel more free like this, but I think vaccine is useful for who need, or feel more safe with, because I see in France, people who are afraid about virus, so this is better they can get vaccine, I just wish for no passport in EU.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2549199]According to EU standards, Metz is not a small city, being a French district capital and could be a kanton capital in Switzerland, bigger than Solothurn or pretty sure Fribourg. Paradise Sarrebrucken, nor Prestige Neunkirchen didn't exist on early 2000's, maybe club 214 in Sarrebrucken, where worked french girls. As I m not a follower, I try to think by myself, I feel more free like this, but I think vaccine is useful for who need, or feel more safe with, because I see in France, people who are afraid about virus, so this is better they can get vaccine, I just wish for no passport in EU.[/QUOTE]Jesus. It's an English word. The English word "city" implies a certain minimum size. Generally under 100,000, people will not use the word "city" but rather the word "town. " You want to call it big, call it a big town. It's not a big city. Find whatever the French equivalent of the word "town". Of the 500 biggest metropolis's, cities, and towns in all of Europe, Met's ain't on the list.
[URL]http://www.citymayors.com/features/euro_cities5.html[/URL]
This is a dumb debate fueled by a lack of knowledge of the [B]English[/B] word "city". Furthermore, that wasn't even the point of the original post.
Point is I lived in Metz.
Call it whatever the hell you want. But for the English use of the English word "city," Metz is on the smaller end of the spectrum. Big town, small city. English.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2549225]Call it whatever the hell you want. But for the English use of the English word "city," Metz is on the smaller end of the spectrum. Big town, small city. English.[/QUOTE]Ah see, but you wrote in Englisch, meaning of words (not to mention grammar) l is different in siriojish.
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So, what did you think of the train station? Majestic no?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2549225]Jesus. It's an English word. The English word "city" implies a certain minimum size. Generally under 100,000, people will not use the word "city" but rather the word "town. " You want to call it big, call it a big town. It's not a big city. Find whatever the French equivalent of the word "town". Of the 500 biggest metropolis's, cities, and towns in all of Europe, Met's ain't on the list.
[URL]http://www.citymayors.com/features/euro_cities5.html[/URL]
This is a dumb debate fueled by a lack of knowledge of the [B]English[/B] word "city". Furthermore, that wasn't even the point of the original post.
Point is I lived in Metz.
Call it whatever the hell you want. But for the English use of the English word "city," Metz is on the smaller end of the spectrum. Big town, small city. English.[/QUOTE]OK. Town of London it is then.
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London[/URL]
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Population: 9.401 (2016).
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2549189]In my opinion, the happiest guy is the one who has no need, when rich want to be richer, WGs think money is happiness. In my beloved mountains, I see people, everybody here would say they are poor with difficult life, waking up early, but they would not leave their life. A guy whose wife look at him with eyes full of love, should also be happy. Paid sex is just a failure, even can have pleasure.[/QUOTE]I've studied the lives of many people past and present and believe that the happiest man who ever lived was Hugh Hefner. He got to bang thousands of stunner girls each one hotter than the hottest FKK stunner.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2549419]I've studied the lives of many people past and present and believe that the happiest man who ever lived was Hugh Hefner. He got to bang thousands of stunner girls each one hotter than the hottest FKK stunner.[/QUOTE]Sorry but I am very happy too. I take the life like it is coming and just put my energy in things I can change. I always try to adapt to the today situation, not dreaming about the past when the FKK were open for example, now they are closed I have already adapted to it, if they don t open again it will have 0 impact on my life. In the last years I invested in shares and real estate and both are sky rocketing despite the covid or due to the covid all assets have double their value. Never live in the past, never live in the future live now and take action today. As simple as that.
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[URL]https://www.grammarly.com/blog/city-town-village-difference/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2549451][URL]https://www.grammarly.com/blog/city-town-village-difference/[/URL][/QUOTE]A win on technical knockout by BigBuddy. Congratulations!
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2549451][URL]https://www.grammarly.com/blog/city-town-village-difference/[/URL][/QUOTE]"A city is a large or important town".
Hence Small City, Large town.
Would be ridiculous to call Metz a large city if also calling Paris, Berlin, Rome, London, etc large cities.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2549309]So, what did you think of the train station? Majestic no?[/QUOTE]One of the more artsy ones in Europe for sure. Too bad I was a drunken American college student for most of my time there. Too dumb to care.
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[QUOTE=McGrath;2549467]A win on technical knockout by BigBuddy. Congratulations![/QUOTE]Unfortunately some guys are totally adverse to truth and will repeat the same loop again and again.
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[QUOTE=McGrath;2549467]A win on technical knockout by BigBuddy. Congratulations![/QUOTE]I demand a comedy point.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2549225]Jesus. It's an English word. The English word "city" implies a certain minimum size. Generally under 100,000, people will not use the word "city" but rather the word "town. " You want to call it big, call it a big town. It's not a big city. Find whatever the French equivalent of the word "town". Of the 500 biggest metropolis's, cities, and towns in all of Europe, Met's ain't on the list.
[URL]http://www.citymayors.com/features/euro_cities5.html[/URL]
This is a dumb debate fueled by a lack of knowledge of the [B]English[/B] word "city". Furthermore, that wasn't even the point of the original post.
Point is I lived in Metz.
Call it whatever the hell you want. But for the English use of the English word "city," Metz is on the smaller end of the spectrum. Big town, small city. English.[/QUOTE]For French, very famous all over the world Saint Tropez is small, but even for a Parisian like me, Metz is quite big. Zurich city, not suburb, should be not more than 500 000, small in China. Just matter of standards.
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Let's play a game
Pick the one that seems to be the best fit according to population size:
A_Mega city.
B_Large city.
C_Medium city.
D_Small City.
Cities and population in millions (city proper / metro area):
[U]Mega?[/U]
London (8.9 - 14.2).
Paris (2.1 - 13).
[U]Large? Mega?[/U]
Berlin (3.7 - 6.1).
Rome (2.8 -4.3).
Frankfurt (0.76 - 5.6).
Madrid (3.2 - 6.7).
[U]Medium? Large?[/U]
Prague (1.3 - 2.6).
Amsterdam (0.8 - 2.5).
Lisbon (0.50 - 3.0).
[U]Medium?[/U]
Lyon (0.51 - 1.6).
Antwerp (0.49 - 1.2).
Toulouse (0.48 - 1.3).
Zurich (0.415 - 1.0).
Nice (0.342 - 1.0).
[U]Medium? Small?[/U]
Strasbourg (0.227 - 0.790).
Saarbruken (0.18 - 0.70).
[U]Small?[/U]
Aachen (0.25 - ?
Sibiu (0.15 - 0.27).
[B]Metz (0.116/0.339)[/B]
Kaiserslautern (0. 100 - ?
Venlo (0. 10 - ?
Roermond (0. 58 - ?
Given the population distribution across multiple European cities, it baffles how anyone could consider Metz anything but a small city regardless of subjective "European standard" for small. It's even half the size of Saarbruken and Steasbourg, not so large cities themselves.
Like I said, it doesn't even make Europe's top 500 metro areas.
[URL]http://www.citymayors.com/features/euro_cities4.html[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2549092]Some guys, even on this board, extol the virtues of a happy married life against the happy monger.[/QUOTE]On the German FKK threads? Most ISGers seem to have either neutral or negative views towards marriage IMO.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2543603]No one is more mentally mixed up than a religious, inexperienced newbie who has a hard raging penis, is unable to shoot his hot seminal load into a warm vagina, thinks that fornication is wrong and the ladies who can satisfy his urges are bad. If he won't shoot a load one way he'd do it another.[/QUOTE]Like anything else, people attach different levels of importance to sex. If sex was the primary motivation for all men, I do not think many morbidly obese men would exist in this world. How is being obese conducive to a good sex life, when one can no longer physically penetrate? Surely these obese men are not getting loads of civilian pussy for free. Obesity also carries the stigma of being lazy and undisciplined, making it more difficult to get hired or promoted (mongering becomes less affordable as a result). Yet some of these guys make little effort to change their lifestyle. I wonder if there is an International Obese Guide, where these men go around believing that everybody loves food as much as they do? Do the IOGers believe that thin people deny their primal desires to eat fatty, greasy, delicious, sugar-laden food because they are brainwashed by mainstream Hollywood and doctors?
Many men are able lead happy lives having much less sex than we do. You said yourself your older brother introduced you to WGs, but now he prefers drinking beer and hanging out with friends. Did he find religion? Did he get married? Or just got old and lost interest in fornicating? In either case, I suspect your mongering career and thirst for the hobby surpassed his a long time ago, perhaps even when both of you were in your physical prime.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2549419]I've studied the lives of many people past and present and believe that the happiest man who ever lived was Hugh Hefner. He got to bang thousands of stunner girls each one hotter than the hottest FKK stunner.[/QUOTE]According to these ex-playmates, Hefner did not seem like he was into the sex with them. In all fairness, Hefner would have been mid-to-late 70's when this all went down.
Holly Madison:
[QUOTE]She also claimed Hefner who died aged 91 in 2017 would [b]watch porn, smoke weed, and masturbate while his girlfriends would cavort in front of him[/b] after being ordered to dress in identical nightwear.
Holly also revealed romps with the Playboy king were certainly not something to write home about, reports The Mirror.
She said: [b]"There was zero intimacy involved. No kissing, nothing.
"It was so brief that I can't even recall what it felt like beyond having a heavy body on top of mine."[/b]
[/QUOTE]Kendra Wilkinson:
[QUOTE]"At about the minute mark, I pulled away and it was done. It was like a job. Clock in, clock out. It's not like I enjoyed having sex with him."[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/playboy-mansion-bunnies-reveal-hugh-hefners-bizarre-and-degrading-sex-rituals/NWLCARSQGW3M4L7IFEREG7RE64/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2549554]Pick the one that seems to be the best fit according to population size:
A_Mega city.
B_Large city.
C_Medium city.
D_Small City.
Cities and population in millions (city proper / metro area):
[U]Mega?[/U]
London (8.9 - 14.2).
Paris (2.1 - 13).
[U]Large? Mega?[/U]
Berlin (3.7 - 6.1).
Rome (2.8 -4.3)..[/QUOTE]You only think from your data, you don't think like a European. Metz is capital of a district in France, important town in France, even maybe not famous. I doubt 580000 people in Roermond, maybe better to check reliability of your data. In Formula 1 full of data, some pilots say ingeneer: keep your data, let me drive.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2549554]Pick the one that seems to be the best fit according to population size:
A_Mega city.
B_Large city.
C_Medium city.
D_Small City.
Cities and population in millions (city proper / metro area):
[U]Mega?[/U]
London (8.9 - 14.2).
Paris (2.1 - 13).
[U]Large? Mega?[/U]
Berlin (3.7 - 6.1).
Rome (2.8 -4.3).
Frankfurt (0.76 - 5.6).[/QUOTE]Fluid definitions. Still not as interesting as cock size from a women point of view.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2549563]On the German FKK threads? Most ISGers seem to have either neutral or negative views towards marriage IMO.
Like anything else, people attach different levels of importance to sex. If sex was the primary motivation for all men, I do not think many morbidly obese men would exist in this world. How is being obese conducive to a good sex life, when one can no longer physically penetrate? Surely these obese men are not getting loads of civilian pussy for free. Obesity also carries the stigma of being lazy and undisciplined, making it more difficult to get hired or promoted (mongering becomes less affordable as a result). Yet some of these guys make little effort to change their lifestyle. I wonder if there is an International Obese Guide, where these men go around believing that everybody loves food as much as they do? Do the IOGers believe that thin people deny their primal desires to eat fatty, greasy, delicious, sugar-laden food because they are brainwashed by mainstream Hollywood and doctors?
Many men are able lead happy lives having much less sex than we do. [/QUOTE]When I could be in brothels nearly every day if I wanted, when I got the prettiest stars for regulars, but biggest success for me, if arithmetic's didn't exist, would have been to meet my last girlfriend when I was 18, even I was not ready at this time, and to make all my life only with her, would have been great achievement to be proud of, like did our parents, but for a life of love together. When some of my regulars who understand how brothels can be complicated for me, some proposing me to meet on appointments, tell me: why you don't find a new girlfriend? I answer: then you won't see me anymore, so, they look at me and stop to tell.
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In China, Chongqing is the biggest city by definition. Especially by land area. It has the same size as the entire country of Switzerland. And no other city in the world has more green space. Undeniable fact in China.
Again, 100% subjective.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2549563]On the German FKK threads? Most ISGers seem to have either neutral or negative views towards marriage IMO.
Like anything else, people attach different levels of importance to sex. If sex was the primary motivation for all men, I do not think many morbidly obese men would exist in this world. How is being obese conducive to a good sex life, when one can no longer physically penetrate? Surely these obese men are not getting loads of civilian pussy for free. Obesity also carries the stigma of being lazy and undisciplined, making it more difficult to get hired or promoted (mongering becomes less affordable as a result). Yet some of these guys make little effort to change their lifestyle. I wonder if there is an International Obese Guide, where these men go around believing that everybody loves food as much as they do? Do the IOGers believe that thin people deny their primal desires to eat fatty, greasy, delicious, sugar-laden food because they are brainwashed by mainstream Hollywood and doctors?
Many men are able lead happy lives having much less sex than we do. You said yourself your older brother introduced you to WGs, but now he prefers drinking beer and hanging out with friends. Did he find religion? Did he get married? Or just got old and lost interest in fornicating? In either case, I suspect your mongering career and thirst for the hobby surpassed his a long time ago, perhaps even when both of you were in your physical prime.[/QUOTE]Most hardcore mongers I know have both the lustful desire for sex with many women yet they also have desire for companionship. The monogamy part is obviously inconvenient when trying to have the best of both worlds.
Anyway, I agree with you, introducing various friends to the FKK world has also led me to believe that there are varying degrees of sexual desire. If all men prioritized sex as the most important thing above all else, one would think that if religious / moral restraints and financial constraints were accounted for, all men who have visited FKKs would make it a priority to visit these clubs or a similar establishment barring that they are able to get free premium pussy otherwise.
In my lifetime, I've introduce about a half dozen friends / colleagues to the FKK world and not one developed the habit to the degree that many of us have on this board. One immediately felt uneasy in the clubs. One would probably visit often if finances did not hold him back. Two are now married. Two others who are not very religious and have plenty of financial resources had a great time yet they do not make it a point to return often. They do visit strip clubs and have paid for sex in Vegas or Central America but do make sex vacations the norm.
As for the extremely obese men, well, I don't entirely agree. Having sex with a hot woman may indeed be their greatest wish in life but sometimes their laziness, habits, and or depression may limit their actions. Most smokers know that cigarettes smoking will likely lead to lung cancer, but they continue to smoke a pack a day for 10,20, or 30+ years. I'm sure that living is on the top of their list of motivating factors but they are too addicted to their habit to do anything about it.
But yeah, loads and variety of pussy does not motivate all men to the same degree. Some actually value stability and companionship more. Some may even prefer porn to the real thing.
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Marriage
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2549563]On the German FKK threads? Most ISGers seem to have either neutral or negative views towards marriage IMO.[/QUOTE]Could be, but I know for a fact that many mongers are in fact married, but they won't openly admit it, not even in a place like this. It's due to the added stigma of seeing prostitutes behind the wife's back. That said, I also have one friend whose wife encouraged him to see tutes after she lost her sex drive. She understood that he still had needs. She just had two rules. Number 1, don't spend too much money. And number 2, never bring one of those tutes to her house ever! Now, imagine that!
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2549575]You only think from your data, you don't think like a European. Metz is capital of a district in France, important town in France, even maybe not famous. I doubt 580000 people in Roermond, maybe better to check reliability of your data. In Formula 1 full of data, some pilots say ingeneer: keep your data, let me drive.[/QUOTE]Yes, typo. Of all things, Roermond: 58 K.
Synonym for data is facts.
What does capital matter in size of city? Vaduz is the capital of the nation of Liechtenstein. The population of Vaduz is 5,600.
London 9 Million: Mega.
Madrid 3.2 Million: Big.
Lyon 500 K - 1.6 million Metro: Larger Medium.
Saarbruken - 180 K - 700 K Metro: Smaller Medium.
Metz - 116 K - 300 K Metro: Small.
Roermond - 58 K: Tiny / Petit.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2549593]Could be, but I know for a fact that many mongers are in fact married, but they won't openly admit it, not even in a place like this. It's due to the added stigma of seeing prostitutes behind the wife's back. That said, I also have one friend whose wife encouraged him to see tutes after she lost her sex drive. She understood that he still had needs. She just had two rules. Number 1, don't spend too much money. And number 2, never bring one of those tutes to her house ever! Now, imagine that![/QUOTE]Following the 2 rules looks like a big challenge, how to visit a prostitute and having 0 risk to get a MST seems impossible for me, just because the girls have so many customers every day coming from everywhere without any control of their health status, second also very difficult to keep the head cold with the money when I see even here some mongers are speaking about passion, love. With a prostitute.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2549589]But yeah, loads and variety of pussy does not motivate all men to the same degree.[/QUOTE]Habit and availability are important too.
Before 2020 it was normal to decide last moment on my way home from work that I'll get off public transit at a different stop and end up in Globe for a couple of hours.
I get pinged by WGs when they show up in Switzerland but stopped going to clubs after they were forced to have ID checks. I boinked a few of them working in apartments now, heck I boinked one on Thursday, but it's not the same as being in the temple of debauchery. It's too planned ahead. Part of the fun was not knowing who will tickle my fancy that evening.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2549569]According to these ex-playmates, Hefner did not seem like he was into the sex with them. In all fairness, Hefner would have been mid-to-late 70's when this all went down.
Holly Madison:
Kendra Wilkinson:
[URL]https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/playboy-mansion-bunnies-reveal-hugh-hefners-bizarre-and-degrading-sex-rituals/NWLCARSQGW3M4L7IFEREG7RE64/[/URL][/QUOTE]I think many WGs would say same from many guys, when many don t fuck. Except few rooms when I gave up not to waste my time, never had a room going to the end, without fucking and of course kissing.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2549593]Could be, but I know for a fact that many mongers are in fact married, but they won't openly admit it, not even in a place like this. It's due to the added stigma of seeing prostitutes behind the wife's back. That said, I also have one friend whose wife encouraged him to see tutes after she lost her sex drive. She understood that he still had needs. She just had two rules. Number 1, don't spend too much money. And number 2, never bring one of those tutes to her house ever! Now, imagine that![/QUOTE]Just ask girls, so many married, they don't believe you are not married, asking: why? Looking at your fingers to check if no mark.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2549589]As for the extremely obese men, well, I don't entirely agree. Having sex with a hot woman may indeed be their greatest wish in life but sometimes their laziness, habits, and or depression may limit their actions. Most smokers know that cigarettes smoking will likely lead to lung cancer, but they continue to smoke a pack a day for 10,20, or 30+ years. I'm sure that living is on the top of their list of motivating factors but they are too addicted to their habit to do anything about it..[/QUOTE]Smoking does not hamper one's ability to have sex to the degree of extreme obesity. Most people start smoking in their teens or early 20's when they believe themselves to be invincible. And if used in moderation, I would argue that smoking, drinking, and drugs increases your opportunities to socialize with your peers, and thus ability to get laid. Also average age of death from lung cancer is 70, well beyond the horniest years for the male species. We see many men (aged 40-60) in the clubs smoking like chimneys but still walking up that steep Sharks staircase multiple times a day to swim in warm pussy, whereas extreme obesity would probably lead to death by age 40, and maybe be bedridden a few years before that.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2549589]But yeah, loads and variety of pussy does not motivate all men to the same degree. Some actually value stability and companionship more. Some may even prefer porn to the real thing.[/QUOTE]Agreed. See post #14056 about Hefner's alleged porn and masturbation while his playmates cavorted. Warm pussies in the same room, but preferred his own hand.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2549593]Could be, but I know for a fact that many mongers are in fact married, but they won't openly admit it, not even in a place like this. It's due to the added stigma of seeing prostitutes behind the wife's back.[/QUOTE]Many married monger monger, but I would say these men would be casual mongers. Your average ISGer is at the extreme 1 percent of this hobby, and will dedicate significantly more time to this hobby (travelling, posting, brothel visits). Just making an educated guess but most of us are unmarried, no GF, and probably not many social obligations (visiting friends and family).
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2549563].....Many men are able lead happy lives having much less sex than we do. You said yourself your older brother introduced you to WGs, but now he prefers drinking beer and hanging out with friends. Did he find religion? Did he get married? Or just got old and lost interest in fornicating? In either case, I suspect your mongering career and thirst for the hobby surpassed his a long time ago, perhaps even when both of you were in your physical prime.[/QUOTE]My brother is not religious and like me not married. He took me to my first visit to a brothel several decades ago; at that time he was already a seasoned monger. He showed me the ropes. However, he has always been a heavy drinker, smoker and gambler. Those activities took precedence over his mongering and indeed sex in general. In my case sex takes second place only to work. Everything else comes after. Is my brother happy? Yes he is. Is he happier than me? He looks so when I see him hanging out with his buddies, but outside of that I don't think he is.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2549569]According to these ex-playmates, Hefner did not seem like he was into the sex with them. In all fairness, Hefner would have been mid-to-late 70's when this all went down....[/QUOTE]Well you said it, he was in his mid to late seventies when he could cavort with the playmates and not much more but think of all those decades of debauchery with the world's hottest babes. Pure ecstasy.
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Frankfurt shooter, Hanau 2020
Continuing along the question: does the lack of warm vaginas lead to men to violence. A good case study might be Tobias Rathjen, 43 year old. This February 2020 mass shooting seemed to fall under the radar, but the shooter had both financial resources (photo of his newish BMW in the article linked below) and proximity to cheap commercial sex. Hanau is a short drive to many FKKs: 7 minutes to Atlanta, 17 min to Mainhattan, 36 min to Sharks. To my knowledge, Rathjen was not religious.
This article offers some commentary on the manifesto Rathjen posted, and makes me wonder if Rathjen was an ISGer himself. Below themes seem present: paranoia, narcissism, superiority of his own race, blaming others for inability to get a wife, delusional about his own significance in the world (elite football player, monitored by secret services), conspiracy theories, hatred for "inferior" races and cultures, called for citizens to wake up and fight now against the cabal of elite who hold secret knowledge.
[QUOTE]Paranoia meets megalomania. A dangerous combination, enriched by the narcissistic insults of the perpetrator.
Rathjen was dissatisfied; he believed that he was being monitored by a secret service and that he was waging war against migrants.
The 43-year-old was apparently a loner. In his manifesto it says that he has "had no wife / girlfriend in his life". In October 2000, he began studying business administration in Bayreuth, also with the hope of finally meeting an attractive woman there. But he did not find his "love happiness".
In his manifesto he expresses himself on more than one side of football: He claims to have been a good player and gives the German Football Association (DFB) strategy tips for the national team.
If you believe the manifesto, Rathjen felt that he was being watched by other people even as a child. Rathjen explained that he could not find a wife because of the influence of the secret services.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2549806]My brother is not religious and like me not married. He took me to my first visit to a brothel several decades ago; at that time he was already a seasoned monger. He showed me the ropes. However, he has always been a heavy drinker, smoker and gambler. Those activities took precedence over his mongering and indeed sex in general. In my case sex takes second place only to work. Everything else comes after. Is my brother happy? Yes he is. Is he happier than me? He looks so when I see him hanging out with his buddies, but outside of that I don't think he is.[/QUOTE]Thanks for additional insight. Seems consistent with what we see in Germany, in that many clubs are adjacent to casinos. Although there is probably significant overlap between the two, some men drive past an FKK and go directly to the casino. A t some point, mongering just fell off the list of priorities completely for your brother. Can you point to a life event that triggered that or just old age? I suspect many older mongers just shift their behaviors from purely sexual acts to acts more associated with intimacy. You seem to imply that you are retired now and over the pandemic that you were stuck in sex prison (maybe NYC). This means sex has now shifted to your highest priority. Why not change your homebase to a different place where you can stretch your money farther and place you in closer proximity to mongering?
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2549593]Could be, but I know for a fact that many mongers are in fact married, but they won't openly admit it, not even in a place like this. It's due to the added stigma of seeing prostitutes behind the wife's back. That said, I also have one friend whose wife encouraged him to see tutes after she lost her sex drive. She understood that he still had needs. She just had two rules. Number 1, don't spend too much money. And number 2, never bring one of those tutes to her house ever! Now, imagine that![/QUOTE]I'll bet that guy was happy that he wifed her up. Could do a lot worse, for sure. As for WG's always asking the marriage question in the clubs, who the hell knows why they ask? Maybe it's a form of social proof to have a ring? Better they think you have better skills in das zimmer? Less chance of being a stalker? Like I said, I don't understand why they ask the question. Odd.
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[QUOTE=Clodius1;2549870]I'll bet that guy was happy that he wifed her up. Could do a lot worse, for sure. As for WG's always asking the marriage question in the clubs, who the hell knows why they ask? Maybe it's a form of social proof to have a ring? Better they think you have better skills in das zimmer? Less chance of being a stalker? Like I said, I don't understand why they ask the question. Odd.[/QUOTE]It's the same reason they ask, what is your name, where are you from, what do you work, etc. No special meaning.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2549632]Yes, typo. Of all things, Roermond: 58 K.
Synonym for data is facts.
What does capital matter in size of city? Vaduz is the capital of the nation of Liechtenstein. The population of Vaduz is 5,600.
London 9 Million: Mega.
Madrid 3.2 Million: Big.
Lyon 500 K - 1.6 million Metro: Larger Medium.
Saarbruken - 180 K - 700 K Metro: Smaller Medium.
Metz - 116 K - 300 K Metro: Small.
Roermond - 58 K: Tiny / Petit.[/QUOTE]I didn't waste time to check all populations of your data, but at least 1 error. For sure, Metz is not NYC, but once again, not small on EU standards and important town in France. Evry 91 or Aurillac 15 are smaller but also important in France, a bit like Bismarck North Dakota in US.
In highest level Formula 1, data make mistakes on race, when pilots feel the real.
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Marriage Questions
[QUOTE=Clodius1;2549870]I'll bet that guy was happy that he wifed her up. Could do a lot worse, for sure. As for WG's always asking the marriage question in the clubs, who the hell knows why they ask? Maybe it's a form of social proof to have a ring? Better they think you have better skills in das zimmer? Less chance of being a stalker? Like I said, I don't understand why they ask the question. Odd.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I had one at Mainhattan ask me if I was married. Many girls have, but I remember her in particular because of the surprising answer she gave me when I asked her why she wanted to know that. She said because she would not go with any married men LOLOLOL! My first thought was what's to make her think that a monger just wouldn't lie about that? And my second thought was that she wouldn't last long in the business. She didn't. Glad I did her though, because she was a good fuck. And about the last I recall having at Mainhattan too haha!
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[QUOTE=Clodius1;2549870]I'll bet that guy was happy that he wifed her up. Could do a lot worse, for sure. As for WG's always asking the marriage question in the clubs, who the hell knows why they ask? Maybe it's a form of social proof to have a ring? Better they think you have better skills in das zimmer? Less chance of being a stalker? Like I said, I don't understand why they ask the question. Odd.[/QUOTE]Nearly all girls ask me and look at my fingers, also about my job. When I m bored, I sometimes answer I work as clown in circus, so they look at me with big eyes. I could also say I'm a criminal in Switzerland, which is not even a lie, to impress them. WGs telling most of guys claim to be businessman, I prefer to say I build for the world and I m proud about, keeping on taking risks outside under virus.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2549803]Smoking does not hamper one's ability to have sex to the degree of extreme obesity. Most people start smoking in their teens or early 20's when they believe themselves to be invincible. And if used in moderation, I would argue that smoking, drinking, and drugs increases your opportunities to socialize with your peers, and thus ability to get laid. Also average age of death from lung cancer is 70, well beyond the horniest years for the male species. We see many men (aged 40-60) in the clubs smoking like chimneys but still walking up that steep Sharks staircase multiple times a day to swim in warm pussy, whereas extreme obesity would probably lead to death by age 40, and maybe be bedridden a few years before that.
[/QUOTE]No disagreement there. The smoking bit was just an example of people making decisions that hinder their main motivation. Just as the obese man likely knows that his body habitus interferes with an active social and sexual life but chooses to eat the cake anyway. The smoker also knows that his habit substantially shortens his life but still smokes a whole pack anyway.
A person's main motivation may not be reflected by their actions, especially if the barrier of entry or activation energy requires substantial will power. Most people choose the easier path in life, despite any higher or deeper goals.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2549888]I didn't waste time to check all populations of your data, but at least 1 error. For sure, Metz is not NYC, but once again, not small on EU standards and important town in France. Evry 91 or Aurillac 15 are smaller but also important in France, a bit like Bismarck North Dakota in US.
In highest level Formula 1, data make mistakes on race, when pilots feel the real.[/QUOTE]The Vatican is another very important "city. " It has only 825 official residents.
I'll take my knowledge of my own primary language over a Frenchman's broken English when assessing what connotations are attached to an English word.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2549632]Yes, typo. Of all things, Roermond: 58 K.
Synonym for data is facts.
What does capital matter in size of city? Vaduz is the capital of the nation of Liechtenstein. The population of Vaduz is 5,600.
London 9 Million: Mega.
Madrid 3.2 Million: Big.
Lyon 500 K - 1.6 million Metro: Larger Medium.
Saarbruken - 180 K - 700 K Metro: Smaller Medium.
Metz - 116 K - 300 K Metro: Small.
Roermond - 58 K: Tiny / Petit.[/QUOTE]Weired, I am pretty sure wikipedia says Madrid has 6. 345 million people in 2019.
Nobody goes by lines on a map definition such as municipality borders etc. Thus I mentioned City of London and Chongqing and simply wrong definition outliers.
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That was urban population. At least one can stick to the same definition globally.
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Kate from Aca amd GT told me that she prefers to go with unmarried men, not because she has problems with fucking a married guy. It's because she thinks that most married men have smaller leisure budgets, limited personal free time, and thus, more safeguards to prevent spending too much time and money with hookers. Basically, she sees married men as having lower ceilings for profit.
She prefers single men because they are more impulsive, more addictive, have bigger budgets, and more likely to become loyal fans.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2549912]No disagreement there. The smoking bit was just an example of people making decisions that hinder their main motivation. Just as the obese man likely knows that his body habitus interferes with an active social and sexual life but chooses to eat the cake anyway. The smoker also knows that his habit substantially shortens his life but still smokes a whole pack anyway.
A person's main motivation may not be reflected by their actions, especially if the barrier of entry or activation energy requires substantial will power. Most people choose the easier path in life, despite any higher or deeper goals.[/QUOTE]Isn't being fit, sporty, not smoking nor drinking, more healthy and efficient to fight virus? Not being diabetics of course. Also better to perform in bed, then no need viagra.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2549818]Thanks for additional insight. Seems consistent with what we see in Germany, in that many clubs are adjacent to casinos. Although there is probably significant overlap between the two, some men drive past an FKK and go directly to the casino. A t some point, mongering just fell off the list of priorities completely for your brother. Can you point to a life event that triggered that or just old age? I suspect many older mongers just shift their behaviors from purely sexual acts to acts more associated with intimacy. You seem to imply that you are retired now and over the pandemic that you were stuck in sex prison (maybe NYC). This means sex has now shifted to your highest priority. Why not change your homebase to a different place where you can stretch your money farther and place you in closer proximity to mongering?[/QUOTE]The turning point for my brother was sometime in the late 1970's or early 80's (memory's getting a bit foggy now) he was badly beaten by some bouncers in a NYC brothel when he demanded his money back after he got very bad service from a hooker (I think it was more like no service). I had been to that brothel and their bouncers looked like body builders and wore cropped tank tops. After that experience he slowed down considerably on mongering and shacked up with a Puerto Rican for many years. She was a long suffering girlfriend who tried to get him to stop drinking and gambling but that was impossible.
Your advice to change my home base was on the cards but covid interrupted my plans. I cannot relocate to Germany, my favorite stomping ground, but have narrowed my options to Brazil, Colombia or Thailand.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2550198]The turning point for my brother was sometime in the late 1970's or early 80's (memory's getting a bit foggy now) he was badly beaten by some bouncers in a NYC brothel when he demanded his money back after he got very bad service from a hooker (I think it was more like no service). I had been to that brothel and their bouncers looked like body builders and wore cropped tank tops. After that experience he slowed down considerably on mongering and shacked up with a Puerto Rican for many years. She was a long suffering girlfriend who tried to get him to stop drinking and gambling but that was impossible.
Your advice to change my home base was on the cards but covid interrupted my plans. I cannot relocate to Germany, my favorite stomping ground, but have narrowed my options to Brazil, Colombia or Thailand.[/QUOTE]I hope your plan was not linked with the FKK, sex should not be the main driver for our decisions and specially not prostitutes.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2550053]Kate from Aca amd GT told me that she prefers to go with unmarried men, not because she has problems with fucking a married guy. It's because she thinks that most married men have smaller leisure budgets, limited personal free time, and thus, more safeguards to prevent spending too much time and money with hookers. Basically, she sees married men as having lower ceilings for profit.
She prefers single men because they are more impulsive, more addictive, have bigger budgets, and more likely to become loyal fans.[/QUOTE]When she was really not selective for clients, when had few rooms with her for 5 years, never heard this from her, she never talked about money with me and I saw her having so many 40 € rooms, before becoming booked for whole day in Bruggen.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2549893]Yeah, I had one at Mainhattan ask me if I was married. Many girls have, but I remember her in particular because of the surprising answer she gave me when I asked her why she wanted to know that. She said because she would not go with any married men LOLOLOL! My first thought was what's to make her think that a monger just wouldn't lie about that? And my second thought was that she wouldn't last long in the business. She didn't. Glad I did her though, because she was a good fuck. And about the last I recall having at Mainhattan too haha![/QUOTE]For sure, if she refused married, she must have died from starvation. Some WGs are into telling to some guys it would be easier if he was single, to buy a house in Romania and live together, before her phone doesn't answer anymore.
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Egypt?
[QUOTE=TheCane;2546964]Same here with one of my hot, blonde Romies. She's been home for more than a year now, and doesn't look the worse for wear. Always smiling and enjoying life and going with the flow. Good for her.[/QUOTE]All that money earned in the west isn't just stimulating the Romanian economy. I see now that one of my favorite blonde Romies is now enjoying a vacation in Egypt! She posted some photos of her beautiful self over there. WTF? How is she going to and vacationing in Egypt at this time?
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550229]For sure, if she refused married, she must have died from starvation. Some WGs are into telling to some guys it would be easier if he was single, to buy a house in Romania and live together, before her phone doesn't answer anymore.[/QUOTE]Yes, some suckers give prostitutes EUR 15 000 to "save" them, before they realize she gave all that money to her pimp.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2550232]All that money earned in the west isn't just stimulating the Romanian economy. I see now that one of my favorite blonde Romies is now enjoying a vacation in Egypt! She posted some photos of her beautiful self over there. WTF? How is she going to and vacationing in Egypt at this time?[/QUOTE]Egypt and Turkey are in need of tourism, they welcome tourists, when Erdogan is killing Turkey economy, fortunately for him, Germany can't say anything.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2550232]All that money earned in the west isn't just stimulating the Romanian economy. I see now that one of my favorite blonde Romies is now enjoying a vacation in Egypt! She posted some photos of her beautiful self over there. WTF? How is she going to and vacationing in Egypt at this time?[/QUOTE]Old pictures?
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550214]When she was really not selective for clients, when had few rooms with her for 5 years, never heard this from her, she never talked about money with me and I saw her having so many 40 rooms, before becoming booked for whole day in Bruggen.[/QUOTE]You are right that she was a machine, going with anyone and making many Turks at Aca finish in 10 minutes. Even at GT, she was not so selective but very busy. If she had time for a room, she would always go. She was a consummate professional.
It should not be surprising that our conversations are very different. She and I are in the same Millennial generation. We speak as if we were both Uni students. The conversation between a Millennial and a Boomer / GenXer would expectedly be much different.
Or perhaps the conversations differ because, as you say, you are not interested in the girls outside of the club. She knows that I am open to seeing prostitutes in my personal life. Knowing my history, she asks for my opinion regarding having personal relationships with prostitutes, as she was struggling to incorporate her personal love interest and her occupation.
You said it yourself, you prefer to not have a relationship with a prostitute outside of the club. As such, why would you two discuss how having a boyfriend makes her job much harder. For you, talking about money and business kills your mood. As you say, you prefer for girls to be elegant. It wouldn't make sense for her to talk business with you if she felt that you are attracted to her elegance.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550272]Egypt and Turkey are in need of tourism, they welcome tourists, when Erdogan is killing Turkey economy, fortunately for him, Germany can't say anything.[/QUOTE]Yes when you have 10 millions Turkish you are no more able to speak the reality, like in France with 10 millions Muslim very difficult to say there is a problem with the Islam, with the place of the women in the Muslim countries or Muslim families, with the democracy in Muslim country as so on, it is the price to pay, obviously in Poland, Hungary, Slovenia. They are not facing the same problems.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550125]Isn't being fit, sporty, not smoking nor drinking, more healthy and efficient to fight virus? Not being diabetics of course. Also better to perform in bed, then no need viagra.[/QUOTE]Not sure what you are you trying to say when responding to a post that just makes the basic claim that people often do not have habits that reflect their primary life motivations.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2550467]You are right that she was a machine, going with anyone and making many Turks at Aca finish in 10 minutes. Even at GT, she was not so selective but very busy. If she had time for a room, she would always go. She was a consummate professional.
It should not be surprising that our conversations are very different. She and I are in the same Millennial generation. We speak as if we were both Uni students. The conversation between a Millennial and a Boomer / GenXer would expectedly be much different.
Or perhaps the conversations differ because, as you say, you are not interested in the girls outside of the club. She knows that I am open to seeing prostitutes in my personal life. Knowing my history, she asks for my opinion regarding having personal relationships with prostitutes, as she was struggling to incorporate her personal love interest and her occupation.
You said it yourself, you prefer to not have a relationship with a prostitute outside of the club. As such, why would you two discuss how having a boyfriend makes her job much harder. For you, talking about money and business kills your mood. As you say, you prefer for girls to be elegant. It wouldn't make sense for her to talk business with you if she felt that you are attracted to her elegance.[/QUOTE]I m sure she would not like if I told about our conversations, my respect for her, but what I liked is she never spoke about money when we were together and I m pretty sure I was with her at least 10 times more often than you. I think many proposed her for more than club, not me of course, just super sexy and more interesting than average for me, just enough. I wish her to feel fine with her self image when she really didn't need to change anything, then maybe, she will think for more for her life.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2550259]Yes, some suckers give prostitutes EUR 15 000 to "save" them, before they realize she gave all that money to her pimp.[/QUOTE]Keep on repeating from guys you don't even know and who don't know anything, just obsessed followers since 8 years, but for sure not for climbing, matter of look.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550660]I m sure she would not like if I told about our conversations, my respect for her, but what I liked is she never spoke about money when we were together and I m pretty sure I was with her at least 10 times more often than you. I think many proposed her for more than club, not me of course, just super sexy and more interesting than average for me, just enough. I wish her to feel fine with her self image when she really didn't need to change anything, then maybe, she will think for more for her life.[/QUOTE]You're probably right. She might not like it and you have been with her 10 x more than me.
But that doesn't change the fact that she said it, does it?
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It must have been somebody else with the same nick, similar delusions and the same writing "style" even if supposedly in his native language, he is a used condom counter too, although seemed to spend more per session in those days. I guess if the Romies rip you off 15.000 you are left with less and less.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2550690]You're probably right. She might not like it and you have been with her 10 x more than me.[/QUOTE]I think she would like even less to read on internet that prostitutes are not clever, have no self esteem, are ready to do anything for money, that no normal men would date an ex prostitute, especially if it's written by a prostitute addict who acts like some servile slave in their presence.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2550259]Yes, some suckers give prostitutes EUR 15 000 to "save" them, before they realize she gave all that money to her pimp.[/QUOTE]They even pay limo rides and champagne to some dancer in a puti club in Spain, 1000 € wasted in a night to have the illusion that no, she's not a prostitute. And they are so dumb that they document in on the Internet!
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2550784]I think she would like even less to read on internet that prostitutes are not clever, have no self esteem, are ready to do anything for money, that no normal men would date an ex prostitute, especially if it's written by a prostitute addict who acts like some servile slave in their presence.[/QUOTE]Well, we all know saying those things are just a defense mechanism after being swindled out of 15.000 euro.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2550690]You're probably right. She might not like it and you have been with her 10 x more than me.
But that doesn't change the fact that she said it, does it?[/QUOTE]I remember many times she told me not to believe what was said in this business. I found her interesting about her woman, but not only about sex, reactions, how her image could be important for her, how she could be upset, often from misunderstanding, and funny about her woman intimacy when we chatted about. I wish her to be able for a new life, and will be happy to find new ones like her, when more interesting than many of the prettiest I got, probably why she became GT busy superstar with some BF booking her for days, so I told her I had no desire to wait, she proposed me: take appointment and I will be free for you, like did her BF, but I never did, more enjoyable for me when she was free and smiling welcoming like on our last time in mirrors, after I received dark eyes at LR, and she knew I preferred at Velbert, nothing about 80 or 100.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550950]I remember many times she told me not to believe what was said in this business. I found her interesting about her woman, but not only about sex, reactions, how her image could be important for her, how she could be upset, often from misunderstanding, and funny about her woman intimacy when we chatted about. I wish her to be able for a new life, and will be happy to find new ones like her, when more interesting than many of the prettiest I got, probably why she became GT busy superstar with some BF booking her for days, so I told her I had no desire to wait, she proposed me: take appointment and I will be free for you, like did her BF, but I never did, more enjoyable for me when she was free and smiling welcoming like on our last time in mirrors, after I received dark eyes at LR, and she knew I preferred at Velbert, nothing about 80 or 100.[/QUOTE]Kate was surely one of the best. Apparently also very good at grooming her regulars too.
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Might be a while before us UK guys can travel out to Germany again for some fun. Here's hoping we can get out at end of summer.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2550996]Kate was surely one of the best. Apparently also very good at grooming her regulars too.[/QUOTE]I would say more interesting than average, but she knew I preferred at Velbert, I m not good to take my ticket to wait, no desire for me. I m not interested to take appointment, I prefer when girls make free for me, more exciting for me.
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[QUOTE=RedBull691;2551106]Might be a while before us UK guys can travel out to Germany again for some fun. Here's hoping we can get out at end of summer.[/QUOTE]When Denmark decided to stop, not just delay, AZ, when many Europeans refuse AZ, when Johnson will be delayed, so Bavarian who is thinking for after beloved Angela, bought sputnik, even not allowed in EU, after he closed border with cousin Tirol. At, so I doubt he will support risky playfield brothels, when after UK mutant, south African and Brazilian already arrived in EU. Brothels were open for about 5 months in Germany in 2020, I doubt for this year and before elections.
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[QUOTE=RedBull691;2551106]Might be a while before us UK guys can travel out to Germany again for some fun. Here's hoping we can get out at end of summer.[/QUOTE]You should look about what is happening now in India, second largest population in the world, they use a lot of Remdisivir which is a terrible medicine creating a lot of variants. I don t believe this will not impact negatively the covid situation in the world.
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[QUOTE=RedBull691;2551106]Might be a while before us UK guys can travel out to Germany again for some fun. Here's hoping we can get out at end of summer.[/QUOTE]I don't expect to get back until very late this year or even this time next year. The vaccination fiasco only continues as the EU is falling even further behind as cases climb. I have three weeks booked off work for the end of the year intending to go to Thailand but they are now experiencing a surge in cases, Germany was my second choice but that's looking less likely. I can only wait and see if countries that I would want to go to will open up.
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[QUOTE=Downandup;2551378]I don't expect to get back until very late this year or even this time next year. The vaccination fiasco only continues as the EU is falling even further behind as cases climb. I have three weeks booked off work for the end of the year intending to go to Thailand but they are now experiencing a surge in cases, Germany was my second choice but that's looking less likely. I can only wait and see if countries that I would want to go to will open up.[/QUOTE]For me the logic to say that the vaccination is the solution of all the problems and when 80% of the population will be vaccinated, life will come back to what it was end of 2019, needs at least to be challenged. Vaccines are a tool like masks, social distancing,. But I don t believe they can be a 100% game changer, just because new variants are popping up even boosted by the remdesivir which is a dangerous medicine which should be prohibited. India is using it intensively remdesivir therefor the risk of new mutants looks very high for me. Is the situation getting better in the last 6 months, sorry I don t believe. You are speaking about the fiasco in Europe but if in 5 years a new medical scandal emerge link with the use of ARN vaccines may be we will be happy of being slow, the overall situation is a big concern for me, what will happen in the coming months with Brazil and India will be very important because both have big population very interconnected with other countries world wide so more able to widely spread the new variants.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2551390]For me the logic to say that the vaccination is the solution of all the problems and when 80% of the population will be vaccinated, life will come back to what it was end of 2019, needs at least to be challenged. Vaccines are a tool like masks, social distancing,. But I don t believe they can be a 100% game changer, just because new variants are popping up even boosted by the remdesivir which is a dangerous medicine which should be prohibited. India is using it intensively remdesivir therefor the risk of new mutants looks very high for me. Is the situation getting better in the last 6 months, sorry I don t believe. You are speaking about the fiasco in Europe but if in 5 years a new medical scandal emerge link with the use of ARN vaccines may be we will be happy of being slow, the overall situation is a big concern for me, what will happen in the coming months with Brazil and India will be very important because both have big population very interconnected with other countries world wide so more able to widely spread the new variants.[/QUOTE]Is the situation better than 6 months ago? No, not better.
But since the date of the first vaccine given, yes, it's gotten better.
In European Union:
7.8 deaths per million on first vaccination (21-Dec-2020) and 6.26 deaths per million this past week.
Compare to vaccinated UK:
6.28 deaths per million on first vaccination (08-Dec-2020) and 0.5 deaths per million this past week.
Or Israel.
2 deaths per million on first vaccination (24-Dec-2020) and 0.76 deaths per million this past week.
It is better in both UK and Europe, even better in heavily vaccinated UK and Israel. Vaccines can't be the only solution, but they sure seem to be pretty effective so far. Even if boosters are needed, at lease there's a way out of this mess.
[URL] https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-12-08..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~European+Union~ISR[/URL]
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2551390]For me the logic to say that the vaccination is the solution of all the problems and when 80% of the population will be vaccinated, life will come back to what it was end of 2019, needs at least to be challenged.[/QUOTE]When you listen to the experts they repeatedly say that vaccines are not the complete answer. They are very effective in reducing transmission and severity in the general population, enough to reduce the restrictions as the most vulnerable are immunised. The EU is overreacting to the incredibly few incidents of CVST in the 100 millions vaccinated and are ignoring the fact that there are 8 - 10 times as many incidents of CVST amongst those infected with Covid. Rare reactions like these happen with any vaccine but this time it is being subject to worldwide scruitiny where perfection is demanded.
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[QUOTE=Downandup;2551646]When you listen to the experts they repeatedly say that vaccines are not the complete answer. They are very effective in reducing transmission and severity in the general population, enough to reduce the restrictions as the most vulnerable are immunised. The EU is overreacting to the incredibly few incidents of CVST in the 100 millions vaccinated and are ignoring the fact that there are 8 - 10 times as many incidents of CVST amongst those infected with Covid. Rare reactions like these happen with any vaccine but this time it is being subject to worldwide scruitiny where perfection is demanded.[/QUOTE]Vaccine should help not to be heavily sick, but not even sure for South African and Brazilian which are now in EU. But our doctors advice to keep on mask, even after vaccine which can't help spreading. Italy opened and closed, same for Ontario, Japan tried and under restrictions again, and without needing our new more killer mutants.
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[QUOTE=Downandup;2551646]When you listen to the experts they repeatedly say that vaccines are not the complete answer. They are very effective in reducing transmission and severity in the general population, enough to reduce the restrictions as the most vulnerable are immunised. The EU is overreacting to the incredibly few incidents of CVST in the 100 millions vaccinated and are ignoring the fact that there are 8 - 10 times as many incidents of CVST amongst those infected with Covid. Rare reactions like these happen with any vaccine but this time it is being subject to worldwide scruitiny where perfection is demanded.[/QUOTE]Similar opinion here. I hope that once most vulnerable population (let's say over 65, plus people with chronic diseases) are vaccinated, that should reflect in number of people in hospitals + number of deaths. Then lifting of restrictions could follow. I would expect travel restrictions to stay in place for countries with high numbers.
The reaction to AZ and J&J is in the area damned if you, damned if you don't. The headlines would be "They are hiding things from us. Why are they not taking this seriously?" I don't know what would be more damaging.
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[QUOTE=Downandup;2551646]When you listen to the experts they repeatedly say that vaccines are not the complete answer. They are very effective in reducing transmission and severity in the general population, enough to reduce the restrictions as the most vulnerable are immunised. The EU is overreacting to the incredibly few incidents of CVST in the 100 millions vaccinated and are ignoring the fact that there are 8 - 10 times as many incidents of CVST amongst those infected with Covid. Rare reactions like these happen with any vaccine but this time it is being subject to worldwide scruitiny where perfection is demanded.[/QUOTE]Europe faced several medical scandals in the last 40 years, and trust is something that the people in responsibility have to win, it is not granted. Most of the people just want to get back the life from before, and the politicians make them thing that this will be possible if they get vaccinated and follow strictly the stupid rules of the different useless lockdown. And what if the vaccine are not efficient enough, if we need to get revaccinated every 6 months (hypothesis on the table in Israel), today he situation is worse that I ever expected, just check what was promised by the leaders 6 months back, and where we are today. There is a possibility that the life from 2019 will not come back before 10 or 20 years may be never. The situation is critical in 2 big countries Brazil and India what will happen there in the coming months will be very important for the rest of the world, many new variants can pop up and the vaccines could also face big efficiency issues to fight those variants.
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[QUOTE=Downandup;2551646]When you listen to the experts they repeatedly say that vaccines are not the complete answer. They are very effective in reducing transmission and severity in the general population, enough to reduce the restrictions as the most vulnerable are immunised. The EU is overreacting to the incredibly few incidents of CVST in the 100 millions vaccinated and are ignoring the fact that there are 8 - 10 times as many incidents of CVST amongst those infected with Covid. Rare reactions like these happen with any vaccine but this time it is being subject to worldwide scruitiny where perfection is demanded.[/QUOTE]Problem is that even if deaths so far have been few, far more have shown dangerously extreme amounts of white blood cells following the vaccines. 2.8% are showing these extreme numbers. While 8%+ are showing less increases, but still some increase. Which may cause problems long term.
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That is from the AZ vaccine. Not from covid.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2551699]Problem is that even if deaths so far have been few, far more have shown dangerously extreme amounts of white blood cells following the vaccines. 2.8% are showing these extreme numbers. While 8%+ are showing less increases, but still some increase. Which may cause problems long term.[/QUOTE]Once again you're making up the figures.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2551661]Vaccine should help not to be heavily sick, but not even sure for South African and Brazilian which are now in EU. But our doctors advice to keep on mask, even after vaccine which can't help spreading. Italy opened and closed, same for Ontario, Japan tried and under restrictions again, and without needing our new more killer mutants.[/QUOTE]Time to incorporate new [B]data[/B]. Form new opinions.
Offers protection against British, South African, and Brazilian variants and greater Antibody levels to them than with natural immunity.
[QUOTE]Preliminary evidence suggests that the currently authorized COVID-19 vaccines may provide some protection against a variety of strains, including B.1.1.7 (originally identified in the United Kingdom). Reduced antibody neutralization and efficacy have been observed for the B.1.351 strain (originally identified in South Africa). However, across studies, antibody neutralizing activity of sera from vaccinated people was still generally higher than that observed for convalescent sera from people who have recovered from COVID-19.
A growing body of evidence suggests that fully vaccinated people are less likely to have asymptomatic infection and potentially less likely to transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others. However, further investigation is ongoin
[url]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html[/url]
[/QUOTE][QUOTE]Many of the vaccine efficacy studies were carried out before the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 VOCs. In studies that address the variants, there is limited preliminary evidence of reduced vaccine efficacy, in particular for B.1.351 and possibly also for P.1.
[Url]https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/sars-cov-2-transmission-newly-infected-individuals-previous-infection[/url][/QUOTE]Reduces spread:[QUOTE]The new study, by researchers at the C.D.C., suggested that since infections were so rare, transmission was likely rare, too.
[url] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/29/world/pfizer-moderna-covid-vaccines-infection.html[/url]
[/QUOTE][QUOTE]If you cant get infected, you cant infect anyone else, which means the vaccines can reduce transmission as well as the disease, says Marm Kilpatrick, an infectious diseases researcher at the University of California, Santa Cruz, who was not involved in the study.
[url]https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-vaccine-moderna-pfizer-transmission-disease[/url][/QUOTE][QUOTE]Recent results from real-world studies show the COVID-19 vaccines protect against asymptomatic infection, suggesting they also drastically reduce virus transmission
[Url]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/04/03/covid-vaccines-reduce-transmission-but-still-wear-mask-experts-say/4833945001/[/url][/QUOTE]Good one dose efficacy and reduced spread. Needs peer review:[QUOTE]Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine reduces transmission after one dose - UK study
[url] https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine-tra-idUSKBN2AQ1A7[/url]
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2551811]Once again you're making up the figures.[/QUOTE]Well, not to mention that elevated WBCs / leukocytes itself doesn't actually directly cause many problems. It's just the result of either inflammation or leukemia if cells are immature, and used as an indicator of other processes, but rarely ever the cause.
All it means is that you have a high number of granulocytes, monocytes, and to a lesser degree, a corresponding increase in B_and_T lymphocytes.
Basically, if WBCs are elevated, we already know what we need to know. How much it's elevated is not all that useful. In conditions such leukemia, when immature cells are massively released into the bloodstream, then it may lead to a hyper-viscosity syndrome. But the clinical picture in that scenario is not consistent with vaccine side effects.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2551356]You should look about what is happening now in India, second largest population in the world, they use a lot of Remdisivir which is a terrible medicine creating a lot of variants. I don t believe this will not impact negatively the covid situation in the world.[/QUOTE]I don't think that Remdisivir can cause resisist covid because it stops replication and therefore would lessen the chance of resistance.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2551963]. But the clinical picture in that scenario is not consistent with vaccine side effects.[/QUOTE]Do you wannabe?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2551957]Time to incorporate new [B]data[/B]. Form new opinions.
Offers protection against British, South African, and Brazilian variants and greater Antibody levels to them than with natural immunity.
Reduces spread:Good one dose efficacy and reduced spread. Needs peer review:[/QUOTE]Pfizer now say for third dose and yearly dose for mutants, they will make good business. I m afraid sad times to come, when UK mutant killed a lot since beginning of the year, but I m afraid south African and Brazilian may also kill a lot in EU, when killed in Summer in Brazil. High vaccine rate in UK, but still restrictions and also for so important today.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2552103]Pfizer now say for third dose and yearly dose for mutants, they will make good business. I m afraid sad times to come, when UK mutant killed a lot since beginning of the year, but I m afraid south African and Brazilian may also kill a lot in EU, when killed in Summer in Brazil. High vaccine rate in UK, but still restrictions and also for so important today.[/QUOTE]Good thing I'm not scared of the vaccine-induced third testicle. Give me that 3rd shot baby. And 4th. And 5th!
Regardless, newest research still suggests that your fears of efficacy can be put on hold.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1089-General-Info&p=2551957#post2551957[/URL]
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[QUOTE=DrPoon;2552047]I don't think that Remdisivir can cause resisist covid because it stops replication and therefore would lessen the chance of resistance.[/QUOTE]It is not what some top medical teams are saying, just have for example a look on the publications of the IHU.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2551676]Europe faced several medical scandals in the last 40 years, and trust is something that the people in responsibility have to win, it is not granted. Most of the people just want to get back the life from before, and the politicians make them thing that this will be possible if they get vaccinated and follow strictly the stupid rules of the different useless lockdown. And what if the vaccine are not efficient enough, if we need to get revaccinated every 6 months (hypothesis on the table in Israel), today he situation is worse that I ever expected, just check what was promised by the leaders 6 months back, and where we are today. There is a possibility that the life from 2019 will not come back before 10 or 20 years may be never. The situation is critical in 2 big countries Brazil and India what will happen there in the coming months will be very important for the rest of the world, many new variants can pop up and the vaccines could also face big efficiency issues to fight those variants.[/QUOTE]I actually agree with a lot of this although I am less pessimist about vaccines. Lockdown efficiency, well that can buy some time in certain locations (AUS, NZ), but globally that ship has sailed. How is it that we don't hear of outbreaks in China?
Man you paint a dark future here.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2551699]Problem is that even if deaths so far have been few, far more have shown dangerously extreme amounts of white blood cells following the vaccines. 2.8% are showing these extreme numbers. While 8%+ are showing less increases, but still some increase. Which may cause problems long term.[/QUOTE]I have not heard anything about this, the closest I've come to is that there is an elevated wbc count when fighting covid, the same as any other infection. Can you provide some credible citations for this?
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2552238]I actually agree with a lot of this although I am less pessimist about vaccines. Lockdown efficiency, well that can buy some time in certain locations (AUS, NZ), but globally that ship has sailed. How is it that we don't hear of outbreaks in China?
Man you paint a dark future here.[/QUOTE]In China, life is back to normal since June. Everything is under control, here the vaccination is not possible if you are above 59, the contrary from the rest of the world. Free vaccination everywhere but not enough candidats, but there is no stress on it. I wrote it many times the super power today is not the US but China and they are clever enough to keep very modest.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2552310]In China, life is back to normal since June. Everything is under control, here the vaccination is not possible if you are above 59, the contrary from the rest of the world. Free vaccination everywhere but not enough candidats, but there is no stress on it. I wrote it many times the super power today is not the US but China and they are clever enough to keep very modest.[/QUOTE]China threaten to blacklist citizens and companies when not vaccined, with their low level vaccine. Is it your freedom, so many Chinese telling they are afraid of their government, like Russians about Putin. I don t always agree with Macron and previous, but when I m a real free mind, but was never scared of any president, even they were not all good. Wish for never LE Pen of course.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2552180]Good thing I'm not scared of the vaccine-induced third testicle. Give me that 3rd shot baby. And 4th. And 5th!
Regardless, newest research still suggests that your fears of efficacy can be put on hold.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1089-General-Info&p=2551957#post2551957[/URL][/QUOTE]What would you think if one of your relative died after vaccine, when we have now in France, some more than 50 and also men, from after AZ. I don t like much to play probability for my life and my relatives, but I was happy for them some of my relatives who were scared of virus, not anymore going out, could get Pfizer, if can help them for a normal life again. From my 2020 way of life, I think I can live with virus, even don t know versus south African or Brazilian now in EU.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2552381]What would you think if one of your relative died after vaccine, when we have now in France, some more than 50 and also men, from after AZ. I don t like much to play probability for my life and my relatives, but I was happy for them some of my relatives who were scared of virus, not anymore going out, could get Pfizer, if can help them for a normal life again. From my 2020 way of life, I think I can live with virus, even don t know versus south African or Brazilian now in EU.[/QUOTE]I would say that I would need to see the medical history of all 50 patients, stratify them into their background mortality, and analyze the results.
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Is France a Catholic country? Considering 34% not religious and 29% atheist, it seems like at least 63% of the country are not Catholic. Wonder of the 37% religious, how many are protestants, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Witchens, etc. Looks like Atheism may be the largest religion in France.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2548578]Here's a Gallop poll that puts France in the top 10 most atheist and non-religious populations. In fact, it has France listed as the 4th most atheist and 8th least religious nation in the world. It breaks down the population to 34% not religious, 29% atheist, and only 37% religious. Combine that with the Constitutional decree that France shall be secular, it seems that claiming that France is a Catholic country is a load of horse shit motivated by pure contrarianism, very consistent with the typical conspiracy theorist character. It's opposition just for the sake of opposition, facts not needed.
[URL]https://sidmennt.is/wp-content/uploads/Gallup-International-um-tr%C3%BA-og-tr%C3%BAleysi-2012.pdf[/URL]
I do find it funny that Romania is 89% religious, putting it in the top 10 religious countries, LOL.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2552539]I would say that I would need to see the medical history of all 50 patients, stratify them into their background mortality, and analyze the results.[/QUOTE]For sure, if your daughter or wife died, you would for sure think with your data, about exact science for medical? With so high knowledge about this virus, when even older than 50 yo men also die now after vaccine, so I won't take risk, I feel more safe free riding or full speed in Germany, when I feel more safe in Germany than playing snail falling asleep in Switzerland.
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German government is starting to treat people who don't have a negative test result like they are infectious, sick, a danger for the health care system, like they want to murder other people.
Believing everybody could be infected, but ignoring everybody could survived the infection without informing the government?
Quick look at the boring numbers. Yesterday, Germany had overall 286.500 active cases. A tiny minority of nearly 5000 are very very ill, unfortunately. Around half of these 5000 need a oxygen machine. Between 30% and 50% of the people who need a oxygen machine dying anyway. But don't tell that the God in white are trying to ride dead horses here. Artificial breathing is not the same like keeping people artificial alive. Hospitals who are working at the capacity limit, getting paid extra money by government. German hospitals are 'just in time' companies, they have no interest in building up more capacity. They are just interested in profit.
Show more solidarity with the overworked nurses, don't go to doctors!
Home office, home schooling, home prison. Where is the home hospital?
Since over a year pandemic, but German doctors are not able to optimize the treatment. 10 month for a vaccine, but still no coughing juice or pills to make the symptoms less dangerous?
The mutants are officially in Germany since two month now. Mutants don't make friends, from baby to granny. Where are the dead children? Not existing?
10 people doing 10 pcr tests, in the end one positive result, so the positive rate is 10%. Other 10 people doing 10 self or quick tests, in the end one positive result too, so here is the positive rate also 10%. All in together you have 20 tests (pcr, quick and self test) and two positive results, the positive rate is still 10%. But in Germany it's like this, everybody who has a positive self or quick test result, has to do a pcr test too, just to be sure that it is really corona. The possibility that the pcr test is also positive after the quick or self test was positive is very high. RKI is only counting the pcr tests and results, suddenly you have 11 pcr tests and two positive results, now is the positive rate is nearly 20%. The so much more infectious mutants.
Government is doing a lot to make sure that the doctors don't have to do the triage decision, they prefer to do it by themselves. Killing clubs, but letting the church open. No one who believes in God need a open church. A bit over 50% of the Germans are paying church taxes. How many of the Germans paying club taxes?
Government closes small restaurants at the corner because they are a danger for the health. But big American fast food chains are still open, because they are giving more people jobs (government need the taxes of them to offer all citizens "free tests" The tyrannic government decides all by themselves which life is more worth. Fast food chain thumbs up, restaurant thumbs down.
Good that the vaccine protects from getting very sick. But it doesn't protects from catching the virus, from getting the infection. Vaccinated people still can be infected and still can spread the virus, or don't they exhale aerosol?
In a few weeks Germany is running out of people who really want the vaccine, who really want freedom. So it was very wise of government to ban hate lines from the Internet.
But here is the good news. In Germany are enough people who want "Germany, but normal". Maybe they start to organise huge demonstrations in Duisburg Marxloh, protesting for opening the Shisha bars and redlight district. Bernie Hocke and Curio in the front row and in their back 1000 Arabien gang members.
Stay roots.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2552710]For sure, if your daughter or wife died, you would for sure think with your data, about exact science for medical?[/QUOTE]Yes, always start with population level data. Then consider individualized details, and add more relevant data. Avoid emotions when making decisions whenever possible.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2552310]In China, life is back to normal since June. Everything is under control, here the vaccination is not possible if you are above 59, the contrary from the rest of the world. Free vaccination everywhere but not enough candidats, but there is no stress on it. I wrote it many times the super power today is not the US but China and they are clever enough to keep very modest.[/QUOTE]Either China is under-reporting their infection rate, or they did a helluva good job with the bio-engineering of the virus. Not buying the efficient lockdown argument keinerlei.
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[QUOTE=Clodius1;2552998]Either China is under-reporting their infection rate, or they did a helluva good job with the bio-engineering of the virus. Not buying the efficient lockdown argument keinerlei.[/QUOTE]It's China. Which means they are lying again LOL!
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[QUOTE=Clodius1;2552998]Either China is under-reporting their infection rate, or they did a helluva good job with the bio-engineering of the virus. Not buying the efficient lockdown argument keinerlei.[/QUOTE]Exactly, the numbers are a total joke, just like the Chinese GDP numbers. What else can you expect from ChiCom central planners?
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[QUOTE=Clodius1;2552998]Either China is under-reporting their infection rate, or they did a helluva good job with the bio-engineering of the virus. Not buying the efficient lockdown argument keinerlei.[/QUOTE]People are walking around and congregating without masks all over China. Surely there must be hundreds of millions of infections and millions of deaths by now.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2553203]People are walking around and congregating without masks all over China. Surely there must be hundreds of millions of infections and millions of deaths by now.[/QUOTE]The same can be said about Sweden, Nicaragua, Belarus, Russia, Texas, Florida and a couple of other US states: no mass mortalities.
Gee, perhaps the "virus" isn't so deadly after all? / sarc.
From the W. H. O. (World Health Organisation) website: [URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf[/URL].
On page 7:
[QUOTE] For people < 70 years old, the infection fatality rate of COVId-19 across 40 locations with
available data ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% (median 0.05%); the corrected values were similar.[/QUOTE]This has been known for almost one year already, yet the media and politicians continue the propaganda and the fear mongering.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2553214]The same can be said about Sweden, Nicaragua, Belarus, Russia, Texas, Florida and a couple of other US states: no mass mortalities.
Gee, perhaps the "virus" isn't so deadly after all? / sarc.
From the W. H. O. (World Health Organisation) website: [URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf[/URL].
On page 7:
This has been known for almost one year already, yet the media and politicians continue the propaganda and the fear mongering.[/QUOTE]May be you watch India Today live, to see that behind the figures, and numbers there are people who a suffering seriously in their body and others are dying. When you are saying no mass mortalities in the US, I don't know what you need.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2553242]May be you watch India Today live, to see that behind the figures, and numbers there are people who a suffering seriously in their body and others are dying. When you are saying no mass mortalities in the US, I don't know what you need.[/QUOTE]The absolute numbers from India sure are impressive, but let's see things in perspective;.
1) Huge poverty in India.
2) Abysmal hygiene standards in India.
3) almost 1,4 billion people live in India.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2553165]Exactly, the numbers are a total joke, just like the Chinese GDP numbers. What else can you expect from ChiCom central planners?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=HammerTime96;2553214]The same can be said about Sweden, Nicaragua, Belarus, Russia, Texas, Florida and a couple of other US states: no mass mortalities.
Gee, perhaps the "virus" isn't so deadly after all? / sarc..[/QUOTE]Pure logic. First quote, you say that Chinese numbers are wrong.
Second quote, suddenly they are right and match with the numbers of Sweden, Nicaragua, Belarus, Russia, Texas, Florida.
By the way, I wouldn't trust too much Russian numbers, especially for a maccarthyst like you.
And Sweden had a +30% increase in mortality during the last weeks of December. Norway: about 0.
Watch Brazilian and Indian figures, to see how there is no mass mortality. The Brazilian weirdo in chief has some common features with you: living in denial, adverse to logic. And he hates evil commies.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2553256]The absolute numbers from India sure are impressive, but let's see things in perspective;.
1) Huge poverty in India.
2) Abysmal hygiene standards in India.
3) almost 1,4 billion people live in India.[/QUOTE]You are right but they were quite successful during the first wave, 65% of the population under 35, as I wrote it 2 weeks back I still believe what is happening in India and Brazil could be essential for the future of this pandemy, it seems that a double mutations has pop up in India which is challenging the efficiency of the vaccines.
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Prostitution Decriminalized in My Home State
Prostitutes are to no longer be arrested in Manhatten. However those who patronize prostitutes and pimps can be arrested. I suspect that the guy in charge of my escort agency and myself are still in their sights, however the girls are Scot-free. Perhaps that might result in him recruiting more girls. My main interest is the massage parlors. Can girls get together and operate a massage parlor unhindered? I would think so. Then I could start returning to them. Perhaps the fools may continue with the massage parlor sting operations. Will have to wait and see. Are the golden days of the 70's and 80's going to return? Then its bye bye FKKs.
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/manhattan-stop-prosecuting-prostitution-part-185325536.html[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2553430]Prostitutes are to no longer be arrested in Manhatten. However those who patronize prostitutes and pimps can be arrested. I suspect that the guy in charge of my escort agency and myself are still in their sights, however the girls are Scot-free. Perhaps that might result in him recruiting more girls. My main interest is the massage parlors. Can girls get together and operate a massage parlor unhindered? I would think so. Then I could start returning to them. Perhaps the fools may continue with the massage parlor sting operations. Will have to wait and see. Are the golden days of the 70's and 80's going to return? Then its bye bye FKKs.
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/manhattan-stop-prosecuting-prostitution-part-185325536.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Return to the 70's?
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A new kind of New York
[QUOTE=Turgid;2553430]Prostitutes are to no longer be arrested in Manhatten. However those who patronize prostitutes and pimps can be arrested. I suspect that the guy in charge of my escort agency and myself are still in their sights, however the girls are Scot-free. Perhaps that might result in him recruiting more girls. My main interest is the massage parlors. Can girls get together and operate a massage parlor unhindered? I would think so. Then I could start returning to them. Perhaps the fools may continue with the massage parlor sting operations. Will have to wait and see. Are the golden days of the 70's and 80's going to return? Then its bye bye FKKs.
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/manhattan-stop-prosecuting-prostitution-part-185325536.html[/URL][/QUOTE]You beat me to the punch! I was just about to post a message on this. The good old 70's and 80's, like this?
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixd8Tj9a25k[/URL]
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A problem is that it has been the damn federal government that has been out to destroy escort agencies, and there is no amnesty from them. And it is also the federal government that has closed most advertising venues. The system that exists now in NYC is primarily expensive independent escorts who have their own websites with a. Ch suffix and a Twitter network. Some of them are fantastic, but they are very expensive, thanks in no small part to the barriers to entering the market established by heavy-handed federal interference in state / local jurisdictions. Manhattan wasn't prosecuting (and police weren't arresting) those independent escorts anyway. So this may be no big deal, but it will be interesting to see if it does provide an entryway for ladies into the lower price market. I doubt that the street scene will be allowed by the police or neighborhood groups, after decades of turning Times Square into Disneyworld. The possibility of more shared apartment brothels and illicit massage parlor places is indeed an interesting possibility, but the issue is where they will advertise after Fosta / Sesta (a federal law of course). With so much more restrictive zoning and nosy neighbors and #metoo feminists, I doubt we will see a return to the 1970's. But I hope I am wrong.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2553430]Prostitutes are to no longer be arrested in Manhatten. However those who patronize prostitutes and pimps can be arrested. I suspect that the guy in charge of my escort agency and myself are still in their sights, however the girls are Scot-free. Perhaps that might result in him recruiting more girls. My main interest is the massage parlors. Can girls get together and operate a massage parlor unhindered? I would think so. Then I could start returning to them. Perhaps the fools may continue with the massage parlor sting operations. Will have to wait and see. Are the golden days of the 70's and 80's going to return? Then its bye bye FKKs.
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/manhattan-stop-prosecuting-prostitution-part-185325536.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2553267]Pure logic. First quote, you say that Chinese numbers are wrong.
Second quote, suddenly they are right and match with the numbers of Sweden, Nicaragua, Belarus, Russia, Texas, Florida.
By the way, I wouldn't trust too much Russian numbers, especially for a maccarthyst like you.
And Sweden had a +30% increase in mortality during the last weeks of December. Norway: about 0.
Watch Brazilian and Indian figures, to see how there is no mass mortality. The Brazilian weirdo in chief has some common features with you: living in denial, adverse to logic. And he hates evil commies.[/QUOTE]I agree that Chinese data has to be questioned. But if is he putting Russian and Nicaraguan numbers in the "trustable" category? Laughable. I believe Russian excess deaths are 4 x higher than their covid deaths. That's probably the most undercounted number in the world outside of China.
He said no mass casualties in Texas? You kidding me? Houston and El Paso had the worst numbers outside of NYC. As bad as Texas got hit, the only reason their numbers were not even worse was because outside of the 4 or 5 large cities, most of Texas is still socially spread out rural communities. Even Texas's cities are not the most densely populated. At least not compared to New England and European cities. It takes 12 hours to drive across that damn state.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2553430]Prostitutes are to no longer be arrested in Manhatten. However those who patronize prostitutes and pimps can be arrested. I suspect that the guy in charge of my escort agency and myself are still in their sights, however the girls are Scot-free. Perhaps that might result in him recruiting more girls. My main interest is the massage parlors. Can girls get together and operate a massage parlor unhindered? I would think so. Then I could start returning to them. Perhaps the fools may continue with the massage parlor sting operations. Will have to wait and see. Are the golden days of the 70's and 80's going to return? Then its bye bye FKKs.
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/manhattan-stop-prosecuting-prostitution-part-185325536.html[/URL][/QUOTE]This sounds like the Scandinavian or Nordic model. Arrest and buyers but not the sellers. The jury is still out about whether or not it "works". If you're a politician "works" means you can tell the world you've ended prostitution in your country. But, there are differing view on it (hope the links work):
[URL]https://decriminalizesex.work/wp-content/uploads/Debunking-the-Entrapment-Model-a.k.a.-the-End-Demand-Model.pdf[/URL]
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model_approach_to_prostitution[/URL]
The easy answer in Manhattan to escape the Nordic model is to simply go to another borough in New York City, drive to one of the neighboring counties, or cross the river into New Jersey.
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[QUOTE=Max#01;2553533]This sounds like the Scandinavian or Nordic model. Arrest and buyers but not the sellers.[/QUOTE]Exactly, but some of the more dumb forum contributors here can't even find Scandinavia on a map, let alone that they have any awareness of what they are getting themselves in to!
Lots of prostitutes come from ex-communist countries, so those same dumb forum contributors think that "communism= prostitutes" so they hope for communism. What they don't understand is that those girls ESCAPE those ex-communist countries to work in capitalist, rich, Western countries.
Reality is: "communism = everybody poor = no money for P6."
I've repeatedly warned that a strangling of the middle class with 'Covid1984' lockdowns will lead to communism and an EXTINCTION of the P6 scene in Germany. It's the capitalist model and a healthy dose of European liberty that made P6 and FKK clubs possible, not the "Green," "woke," socialists, and communists-in-sheeps-clothes!
Where have the biggest RLDs in Europe been located for CENTURIES? Hamburg, Antwerpen and Amsterdam! What do all those cities have in common? Big sea ports, TRADE, CAPITALISM, and NO prudish inbred Brits or hypocritical Americans! What's closing down RLDs all over Europe? "Woke" Anglo-American Cultural Marxism, American #MeToo bullshit, Anglo-American Globalism (I. E. Crony-capitalism, kleptocracy, and corporatism), and hardcore feminazis!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2553528]I agree that Chinese data has to be questioned. But if is he putting Russian and Nicaraguan numbers in the "trustable" category? Laughable. I believe Russian excess deaths are 4 x higher than their covid deaths. That's probably the most undercounted number in the world outside of China.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't trust any number out of Belarus either.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2553538]Exactly, but some of the more dumb forum contributors here can't even find Scandinavia on a map, let alone that they have any awareness of what they are getting themselves in to!
Lots of prostitutes come from ex-communist countries, so those same dumb forum contributors think that "communism= prostitutes" so they hope for communism. What they don't understand is that those girls ESCAPE those ex-communist countries to work in capitalist, rich, Western countries.
Reality is: "communism = everybody poor = no money for P6."
I've repeatedly warned that a strangling of the middle class with 'Covid1984' lockdowns will lead to communism and an EXTINCTION of the P6 scene in Germany. It's the capitalist model and a healthy dose of European liberty that made P6 and FKK clubs possible, not the "Green," "woke," socialists, and communists-in-sheeps-clothes!
Where have the biggest RLDs in Europe been located for CENTURIES? Hamburg, Antwerpen and Amsterdam! What do all those cities have in common? Big sea ports, TRADE, CAPITALISM, and NO prudish inbred Brits or hypocritical Americans! What's closing down RLDs all over Europe? "Woke" Anglo-American Cultural Marxism, American #MeToo bullshit, Anglo-American Globalism (I. E. Crony-capitalism, kleptocracy, and corporatism), and hardcore feminazis![/QUOTE]And than even they close all the FKK and brothels in europe it doesn't mean that there is no sex. So many women available everywhere, today we have apps to help us to meet. I don t understand where is the catastrophe.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2553637]And than even they close all the FKK and brothels in europe it doesn't mean that there is no sex. So many women available everywhere, today we have apps to help us to meet. I don t understand where is the catastrophe.[/QUOTE]I can easily understand and won't blame Germany to keep brothels closed, when they closed schools for months, when they have so many deaths, and I wonder what will do Bavarian who bought not allowed in EU sputnik and I doubt EU will allow when Navalny, and also closed some borders, so will he open risky playfield brothels attracting guys from all over the world, bringing their diseases. Patience versus real meaning of addiction which is suffering.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2553637]And than even they close all the FKK and brothels in europe it doesn't mean that there is no sex. So many women available everywhere, today we have apps to help us to meet. I don t understand where is the catastrophe.[/QUOTE]It's not just the availability of girls for many of us. It's the environment. The "scene". If I hadn't discovered places like German sauna clubs and Brazilian termas, I doubt I ever would have become a monger. The escort and street scenes would be the prime alternatives, and neither of those have ever strongly appealed to me.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2553704]It's not just the availability of girls for many of us. It's the environment. The "scene". If I hadn't discovered places like German sauna clubs and Brazilian termas, I doubt I ever would have become a monger. The escort and street scenes would be the prime alternatives, and neither of those have ever strongly appealed to me.[/QUOTE]Same. The interactive atmosphere with easy logistics is what keeps me coming back.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2553704]It's not just the availability of girls for many of us. It's the environment. The "scene". If I hadn't discovered places like German sauna clubs and Brazilian termas, I doubt I ever would have become a monger. The escort and street scenes would be the prime alternatives, and neither of those have ever strongly appealed to me.[/QUOTE]Why not dating a normal girl, the women like the men want to have sex.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2553763]Why not dating a normal girl, the women like the men want to have sex.[/QUOTE]A man like me enjoys asking how much, and operating in a transparent, "cash and carry" way. That's why.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2553763]Why not dating a normal girl, the women like the men want to have sex.[/QUOTE]Ahhhhh die Freude of pissing away your time chasing American civies. Brother, it would take far too long to explain why we RP guys rarely bother with that anymore. Maybe it's better if you just experience it yourself; come on over and enjoy all the pleasures still left to be had in WOKE America. And don't bother to book a round trip ticket because it's wide open borders here now and you'll never get deported. Come on Man!
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[QUOTE=Clodius1;2553841]Ahhhhh die Freude of pissing away your time chasing American civies. Brother, it would take far too long to explain why we RP guys rarely bother with that anymore. Maybe it's better if you just experience it yourself; come on over and enjoy all the pleasures still left to be had in WOKE America. And don't bother to book a round trip ticket because it's wide open borders here now and you'll never get deported. Come on Man![/QUOTE]I spent 2 years in Syracuse 20 years back, at that time the things were not so terrible. May be the things have drastically changed, may be also mongers are used to get everything without any efforts which could lead them to be less successful in the normal life. I am in my early 60, looking younger, over 180,81 kilos, no fat, no smoking, no drinking, taking care of my appearance not so stupid, and it is still possible for me to meet women obviously not 20 YO like in the FKK, but for me at least the sex with a no pro is always far better than with a pro.
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If You are not afraid to finish in jail, you can go to wellness at Zeus or enjoy beautiful garden at Freubad or pay less expensive than in Germany, only around 95 € for entry and 30 mn in bed at Cleo. Also direkt zimmer with Globe girls at History or Westside. Zeus telling girls are tested about covid. For those in hurry, I m not yet enough.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2553704]It's not just the availability of girls for many of us. It's the environment. The "scene". If I hadn't discovered places like German sauna clubs and Brazilian termas, I doubt I ever would have become a monger. The escort and street scenes would be the prime alternatives, and neither of those have ever strongly appealed to me.[/QUOTE]I don't miss most of brothels atmosphere and guys there, when I only enjoy beautiful garden they made at Sharks with beautiful trees, or Oase garden to play football, World still being the best garden, when best point of view is at Wellcum on superb Carinthian mountains, Freubad being the only beautiful garden in Switzerland. Harmony South Hamburg on the little river is also very beautiful. I must have been made for beauty and only reason for me to go is hope to find a beauty to enjoy, nothing else worthing for me there and if she moved to escorting, then I would follow her and wouldn't care about brothels where I mostly see so low level. Some of my regulars understood I m not in my place in brothels, when I look and pay for dream. When I don't dream anymore, I don t pay just for sex which is not enough for my pleasure. I'm always disappointed when I don t dream.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2553704]It's not just the availability of girls for many of us. It's the environment. The "scene". If I hadn't discovered places like German sauna clubs and Brazilian termas, I doubt I ever would have become a monger. The escort and street scenes would be the prime alternatives, and neither of those have ever strongly appealed to me.[/QUOTE]I must admit I am the same regards Germany, it's the whole scene and atmosphere that attracts me to the German clubs. If it wasn't I wouldn't bother flying over from the UK albeit it's only an hours flight.
My punting in my own country is rare so the closure of these clubs has affected me a lot as I usually make 6-8 visits a year.
Unfortunately my wait continues and at best it's not going to be until the autumn until things are more stable for a reopening consideration. Unless of course Germany's vaccination programme is considerably ramped up in numbers.
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Also note that they kinda stop counting these side effects after just a few weeks. But for all we know, they may also pop up at a later date. So these are minimum numbers of side effects. Quite extreme if you ask me!
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2553905]I don't miss most of brothels atmosphere and guys there, when I only enjoy beautiful garden they made at Sharks with beautiful trees, or Oase garden to play football, World still being the best garden, when best point of view is at Wellcum on superb Carinthian mountains, Freubad being the only beautiful garden in Switzerland. Harmony South Hamburg on the little river is also very beautiful. I must have been made for beauty and only reason for me to go is hope to find a beauty to enjoy, nothing else worthing for me there and if she moved to escorting, then I would follow her and wouldn't care about brothels where I mostly see so low level. Some of my regulars understood I m not in my place in brothels, when I look and pay for dream. When I don't dream anymore, I don t pay just for sex which is not enough for my pleasure. I'm always disappointed when I don t dream.[/QUOTE]I know nothing about Switzerland, but I agree with you World is the best outdoor FKK in Germany, but in the last years so hard to find young and fresh natural beauties there, also under the sunshine the girls are looking far less attractive, so many skin problems.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2553704]It's not just the availability of girls for many of us. It's the environment. The "scene". If I hadn't discovered places like German sauna clubs and Brazilian termas, I doubt I ever would have become a monger. The escort and street scenes would be the prime alternatives, and neither of those have ever strongly appealed to me.[/QUOTE]Same for me. I don't think I would have started mongering without FKKs. When I went the first time it took me a long time to decide to go, a buddy planted the idea in my head. Luckily the girls were not aggressive at all, because it took me a long time to be ready.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2553905]I don't miss most of brothels atmosphere and guys there, when I only enjoy beautiful garden they made at Sharks with beautiful trees, or Oase garden to play football, World still being the best garden, when best point of view is at Wellcum on superb Carinthian mountains, Freubad being the only beautiful garden in Switzerland. Harmony South Hamburg on the little river is also very beautiful. I must have been made for beauty and only reason for me to go is hope to find a beauty to enjoy, nothing else worthing for me there and if she moved to escorting, then I would follow her and wouldn't care about brothels where I mostly see so low level. Some of my regulars understood I m not in my place in brothels, when I look and pay for dream. When I don't dream anymore, I don t pay just for sex which is not enough for my pleasure. I'm always disappointed when I don t dream.[/QUOTE]We know. You don't just pay for sex. You pay for dreams and beauty. Well dream on buddy. I don't pay just for the sex either. I like the extra trappings that come with FKK club admission as well. I don't consider the clubs to be "mere brothels". No, that's where they parade a line-up out, and you're just supposed to pick. I really don't like those either. German FKKs and Brazilian termas and clubs (like Scandallo which is the baddest puta palace on the planet!) are a better experience than that. Much, much better!
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2553905]I don't miss most of brothels atmosphere and guys there, when I only enjoy beautiful garden they made at Sharks with beautiful trees, or Oase garden to play football, World still being the best garden, when best point of view is at Wellcum on superb Carinthian mountains, Freubad being the only beautiful garden in Switzerland. Harmony South Hamburg on the little river is also very beautiful. I must have been made for beauty and only reason for me to go is hope to find a beauty to enjoy, nothing else worthing for me there and if she moved to escorting, then I would follow her and wouldn't care about brothels where I mostly see so low level. Some of my regulars understood I m not in my place in brothels, when I look and pay for dream. When I don't dream anymore, I don t pay just for sex which is not enough for my pleasure. I'm always disappointed when I don t dream.[/QUOTE]Those are not real gardens, I would call them large backyards. If your ideal is fucking beautiful girls in nice gardens, you could take GF or rent a WG to a nice, secluded and wooded area and fuck. Yes, fucking in FKKs with a nice garden with some lawns and plants and a pool with breeze feels nice but you are not still getting away from the brothel atmosphere and milieu. You know where you picked her up, you know there is a payment, you know she goes back into the smoky lounge and will be fucking another dude in an hour.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2553538]Reality is: "communism = everybody poor = no money for P6."
[/QUOTE]True as long as AI and the automation variable in the economy is low. But probably not so once AI and automation takes off.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2553881], may be also mongers are used to get everything without any efforts which could lead them to be less successful in the normal life. I am in my early 60, looking younger, over 180,81 kilos, no fat, no smoking, no drinking, taking care of my appearance not so stupid, and it is still possible for me to meet women obviously not 20 YO like in the FKK, but for me at least the sex with a no pro is always far better than with a pro.[/QUOTE]Hell my game got way better after visiting FKKs. In my mind, talking to hot women became just like talking to any average girl. The nervousness was gone and now I just joke with them like I would a 5. Same lame jokes, just delivered with more confidence. Women can smell it.
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Right now we are at perhaps slightly over 30% automated (us figures last year) according to wef. Due to covid, this is expected to increase to 50% by 2025. And probably to 65-70% by the end of the decade. At least double the rate compared to no covid.
Now the same wef report suggested even more new jobs will be created, than jobs lost. But this is counter to a report made by pwc, suggesting jobs monitoring the AI and the robots are among the first ones to go away at around 2025.
Maybe 10-20% new jobs will be created compared to jobs lost. So to avoid unemployment en masse, work hours must be cut in half by the end of the decade. That way, two people will share the job one had in the past. And ubi will make up for the income loss due to fewer working hours.
It is not communism. It's a hybrid I suppose.
But throughout the 2030's, it might turn into some form of Marxism.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2554026]Those are not real gardens, I would call them large backyards. If your ideal is fucking beautiful girls in nice gardens, you could take GF or rent a WG to a nice, secluded and wooded area and fuck. Yes, fucking in FKKs with a nice garden with some lawns and plants and a pool with breeze feels nice but you are not still getting away from the brothel atmosphere and milieu. You know where you picked her up, you know there is a payment, you know she goes back into the smoky lounge and will be fucking another dude in an hour.[/QUOTE]Oase is certainly a mere large backyard although they have space if they built it up a little.
Sharks suffers from being surrounded by an industrial area so that makes it hard to feel truly outdoors.
World and Yin Yang however have large estates with wooded walking areas and outdoor cabanas that are spread apart.
GoldenTime makes a case. The lawn is huge and there are walking paths with trees and some running water features.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2553926]Also note that they kinda stop counting these side effects after just a few weeks. But for all we know, they may also pop up at a later date. So these are minimum numbers of side effects. Quite extreme if you ask me![/QUOTE]Once again this is false.
[URL]https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/post-authorisation/pharmacovigilance/medicines-under-additional-monitoring/list-medicines-under-additional-monitoring[/URL]
Where are my screenshots? One month.
No 'screenshot chapter' in your IT course?
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2553927]I know nothing about Switzerland, but I agree with you World is the best outdoor FKK in Germany, but in the last years so hard to find young and fresh natural beauties there, also under the sunshine the girls are looking far less attractive, so many skin problems.[/QUOTE]At Freubad between Bern and Solothurn, garden with quite large swimming pool, also inside swimming pool and jacuzzi, small waterfall with few fishes, can eat in the garden, just relaxing, what I look for when visiting a club: to find a beauty to make me dream and to relax, when inside of brothels showing fuck factory and usually playing bad music don t relax me at all.
World is still the most beautiful garden I know in FKK land, better view at Wellcum but garden can t compete. Unfortunately World casting really fell when slow business there in the middle of nowhere, when Sharks grew up and became number 1 in Frankfurt and around.
For sure, when You look at most of girls skin quality under sunlight, this don t help them, and same when they walk bare feet like little duck in garden, but on so many weeks for many months, I enjoyed to contemplate Megan real skin quality and her blond body hair in sunlight, she was a real beauty before turning blond at Sharks. Not same fresh beauty now at Globe.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2554026]Those are not real gardens, I would call them large backyards. If your ideal is fucking beautiful girls in nice gardens, you could take GF or rent a WG to a nice, secluded and wooded area and fuck. Yes, fucking in FKKs with a nice garden with some lawns and plants and a pool with breeze feels nice but you are not still getting away from the brothel atmosphere and milieu. You know where you picked her up, you know there is a payment, you know she goes back into the smoky lounge and will be fucking another dude in an hour.[/QUOTE]For sure they are not Versailles, but if you ever visited, World have a natural garden with big trees, Vertigo also. Maybe from my job, but I appreciate good job they made at Sharks with beautiful trees and I don t know any other club which was so much improved than Sharks. Unfortunately, when they really improved the club, but casting fell since end of 2016/2017. I relax more outside, even more difficult for girls looks under sun than in the dark, than in fuck factory inside and most often bad music hurting my ears. Sometimes, I could think to try some girls, but when seeing them working for fuck factory, I have no desire for such images and prefer to leave with heavy full balls. I feel better in more chic like Amesia where girls look more like normal women, than mostly prostitutes at job in most of brothels. Bad, Amesia increased rates for girls, but fortunately when working fine, girls and desk are quite flexible for time and I like this, even I miss good foods before.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2553963]We know. You don't just pay for sex. You pay for dreams and beauty. Well dream on buddy. I don't pay just for the sex either. I like the extra trappings that come with FKK club admission as well. I don't consider the clubs to be "mere brothels". No, that's where they parade a line-up out, and you're just supposed to pick. I really don't like those either. German FKKs and Brazilian termas and clubs (like Scandallo which is the baddest puta palace on the planet!) are a better experience than that. Much, much better![/QUOTE]Yes, you can eat, drink, go to wellness, take sun or look at clouds in the sky in some gardens, but most are real fuck factory brothels in the lounge. Have You ever visited Bruggen? Just amazing. When some write about me here, but many there jumping on girls just returning from sex, not even waiting they were paid by previous client, not washed yet, just like animals. I missed few there, because I would have never dare to behave with such lack of respect. I left so many times Globe, desk asking me why? Maybe I m the record guy there, or Sharks with more than 200 girls, or famous GT Bruggen, with full heavy balls, when I have no pleasure to pay just to empty balls and I hate girls I don t find attractive, touching me, when many try to touch my hair or face in lounge. Only girls who make me dream worth to pay for me and when no more dream, then I stopped with my best ever girl in brothels. On end of July 2014, I visited World, then Oase, then Sharks on a Saturday, castings were higher level at that time, but unlucky day for me and could find any girl for my dreams. Fortunately, enjoyed Barbie Ingrid discovery on Sunday at Sharks. I won't go to Brazil for Latinas and don t know when Germany will reopen, when I don t even rush to Switzerland where 7 clubs are now open and 2 targets at Zeus and Cleo, but no hurry, only looking forward my real sports, Swiss jails can wait when I won t pay.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2554170]Yes, you can eat, drink, go to wellness, take sun or look at clouds in the sky in some gardens, but most are real fuck factory brothels in the lounge. Have You ever visited Bruggen? Just amazing. When some write about me here, but many there jumping on girls just returning from sex, not even waiting they were paid by previous client, not washed yet, just like animals. I missed few there, because I would have never dare to behave with such lack of respect. I left so many times Globe, desk asking me why? Maybe I m the record guy there, or Sharks with more than 200 girls, or famous GT Bruggen, with full heavy balls, when I have no pleasure to pay just to empty balls and I hate girls I don t find attractive, touching me, when many try to touch my hair or face in lounge. Only girls who make me dream worth to pay for me and when no more dream, then I stopped with my best ever girl in brothels. On end of July 2014, I visited World, then Oase, then Sharks on a Saturday, castings were higher level at that time, but unlucky day for me and could find any girl for my dreams. Fortunately, enjoyed Barbie Ingrid discovery on Sunday at Sharks. I won't go to Brazil for Latinas and don t know when Germany will reopen, when I don t even rush to Switzerland where 7 clubs are now open and 2 targets at Zeus and Cleo, but no hurry, only looking forward my real sports, Swiss jails can wait when I won t pay.[/QUOTE]Sorry I went 5 times to GT, 1 room and that is all, never returned since mid 2017. Shark and Oase are also a fuck factory specially on week end. I am not waiting the reopening of the FKK, I found very good alternatives and probably will not return before end of 2022 or may be never and you know what " I miss nothing, much more happier without."
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2554242]Sorry I went 5 times to GT, 1 room and that is all, never returned since mid 2017. Shark and Oase are also a fuck factory specially on week end. I am not waiting the reopening of the FKK, I found very good alternatives and probably will not return before end of 2022 or may be never and you know what " I miss nothing, much more happier without."[/QUOTE]Bad luck you missed Kate arriving from Velbert. You should read those here from other continents, who seem to really miss, when I m surprised they don't find in much closer Canada or Mexico or Puerto Rico. Also escorts in UK. Unfortunately, escorts level really fell now in Paris where so many fake photos and no more good agencies we had few years ago like legendary Amour Russe. I remember my 14 bookings for their Russian beauties on July 2014, only on week days, when I spent my week ends at World or Oase or Sharks. Now, I'm just patient, like when wishing to succeed to find a beauty for my standards, because can t do more about reopening, and nothing compare to ski I miss so much, even planning to go for Summer ski as soon they will open, to clean and prepare my lungs, like I did on last Summer on my numerous climbings.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2553900]If You are not afraid to finish in jail, you can go to wellness at Zeus or enjoy beautiful garden at Freubad or pay less expensive than in Germany, only around 95 for entry and 30 mn in bed at Cleo. Also direkt zimmer with Globe girls at History or Westside. Zeus telling girls are tested about covid. For those in hurry, I'm not yet enough.[/QUOTE]I found the Cleo website and it seems like a really good deal of 99 euros for 30 minute service plus free entry. But it indicates that one must enter from 11 am through 1 pm But then how much is it for additional 30 minute zimmers?
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[QUOTE=DrPoon;2556133]I found the Cleo website and it seems like a really good deal of 99 euros for 30 minute service plus free entry. But it indicates that one must enter from 11 am through 1 pm But then how much is it for additional 30 minute zimmers?[/QUOTE]99 is for entry, drinks, foods, wellness and 30 mn in bed, when entering before 1 pm. 120/30 for more. 129 at Zeus before 11 am, same than brother Cleo for after. Some girls who worked in Germany.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554117]Hell my game got way better after visiting FKKs. In my mind, talking to hot women became just like talking to any average girl. The nervousness was gone and now I just joke with them like I would a 5. Same lame jokes, just delivered with more confidence. Women can smell it.[/QUOTE]Sure, bursting with "confidence. " Hahahaha! That's why you spend the whole day F5-ing and writing 5-10 posts every day on a hooker platform, advocating the CCP Fascist Agenda of lockdowns, face masks and vaccines, pretending to be a mix of George Clooney and a 'millionaire' Chinese migrant who has a PhD in virology. LOL!
I think the rest of us can smell the same delusion and desperation on you as with the dyslectic mountain-climbing Frenchman. It's called 'little-dick-syndrome. '
P.S. Pro-tip: try funny jokes instead of lame jokes!
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2554170] Switzerland where 7 clubs are now open and 2 targets at Zeus and Cleo, but no hurry, only looking forward my real sports, Swiss jails can wait when I won t pay.[/QUOTE]What 7 clubs?
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[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2556271]What 7 clubs?[/QUOTE]Globe brothers: History and Westside with some Globe girls, but more expensive rate now than usual. BTICI clubs: under discount Cleo and Zeus, I think also Aphrodite close to Montreux and Olymp. Sexpark Argau. Maybe other clubs in Basel and most beautiful Swiss club Freubad. I would say around 10 clubs, Cleo being less expensive than Germany. Not so bad to empty balls. I m pretty sure Austria should open for beginning of July, like on last Summer. Maybe 6 ens NL when less restrictions now in NL.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2556346]Globe brothers: History and Westside with some Globe girls, but more expensive rate now than usual. BTICI clubs: under discount Cleo and Zeus, I think also Aphrodite close to Montreux and Olymp. Sexpark Argau. Maybe other clubs in Basel and most beautiful Swiss club Freubad. I would say around 10 clubs, Cleo being less expensive than Germany. Not so bad to empty balls. I m pretty sure Austria should open for beginning of July, like on last Summer. Maybe 6 ens NL when less restrictions now in NL.[/QUOTE]I guess I'm being optimistic here, but has there been any updates at all regarding YinYang the past year?
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2557381]I guess I'm being optimistic here, but has there been any updates at all regarding YinYang the past year?[/QUOTE]YY is closed because of Roermond female mayor, nothing about covid. 6 ens reopened on last Summer. I m afraid it will be complicated for high level YY, real miss. I m more optimistic for Wellcum on this Summer, like on previous, when Andiamo didn't reopen. Marina is also missing.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2557472]YY is closed because of Roermond female mayor, nothing about covid. 6 ens reopened on last Summer. I m afraid it will be complicated for high level YY, real miss. I m more optimistic for Wellcum on this Summer, like on previous, when Andiamo didn't reopen. Marina is also missing.[/QUOTE]I know it is about the Christian partys jealous fat old woman in Roermond. But I read something about a court case in relation to that. Also Marina made a court case in regards to the police using illegal methods. And the Marina owner had ties to government ministers it was claimed. But I don't know the progress of any of them.
Also, how is the stance of the German green party in relation to p6 now ahead of the election?
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2558488]I know it is about the Christian partys jealous fat old woman in Roermond. But I read something about a court case in relation to that. Also Marina made a court case in regards to the police using illegal methods. And the Marina owner had ties to government ministers it was claimed. But I don't know the progress of any of them.
Also, how is the stance of the German green party in relation to p6 now ahead of the election?[/QUOTE]I didn't know Roermond female mayor was fat and old but she doesn't like YY. German administration also don t like LR. I wonder if Bavaria chief would much support brothels?
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2558488] Also, how is the stance of the German green party in relation to p6 now ahead of the election?[/QUOTE]I may be wrong here and I ask the Germany-based mongers to correct me, but I believe the German Green Party are in favour of legal prostitution. A few years ago they even proposed that people with certain health issues should be able to claim sex with prostitutes as a medical expense: [URL]https://www.dw.com/en/german-greens-pitch-prescriptions-for-sex/a-37054489[/URL].
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2558610]I may be wrong here and I ask the Germany-based mongers to correct me, but I believe the German Green Party are in favour of legal prostitution. A few years ago they even proposed that people with certain health issues should be able to claim sex with prostitutes as a medical expense: [URL]https://www.dw.com/en/german-greens-pitch-prescriptions-for-sex/a-37054489[/URL].[/QUOTE]Now that is my kind of party. There is a Green party in the US from my recollection. I must check them out.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2558610]I may be wrong here and I ask the Germany-based mongers to correct me, but I believe the German Green Party are in favour of legal prostitution. A few years ago they even proposed that people with certain health issues should be able to claim sex with prostitutes as a medical expense: [URL]https://www.dw.com/en/german-greens-pitch-prescriptions-for-sex/a-37054489[/URL].[/QUOTE]That is correct. I think the leader of biggest sex workers union or lobbyist group in Germany is a member of the Greens IIRC. No mention of prostitution ban in Greens agenda. Prostitution isn't an important topic for the next government anyways.
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[QUOTE=BaltiX;2559016]That is correct. I think the leader of biggest sex workers union or lobbyist group in Germany is a member of the Greens IIRC. No mention of prostitution ban in Greens agenda. Prostitution isn't an important topic for the next government anyways.[/QUOTE]Homie, reality check is needed.
Neon green Nazis mention nothing concrete in their agenda. Just power addicted, say nothing to say nothing wrong. This is also the clique who want strictest corona laws, that means as long as the numbers are too high, it is unfortunately not possible to open clubs, just to dangerous for the health care system, you know. They are also pushing over and over again the digital tracing, just for the protection! Too high numbers, means for them everything over zero and zero infections are not possible as long as you have your thung deep in the ass of the Testindustry.
Neon green politicians and their voters are usually rich people, eating this biological clean food, wearing fair trade clothes, washing hands 24/7 and driving electric cars, but still blowing the most cee ohh two into the atmosphere. All this green deal sh*t is just another capitalistic business model.
Just take five minutes, research for Luise Neubauer and Carla Reemtsma. But don't hate too much. These are rich Nazi children, neon green terrorist, with too much time, want to dictate the life of ordinary people. But they have very honourable reasons, they just want to rescue the whole planet. Awesome.
It doesn't matter what you vote in Germany, in the end you vote a capitalistic Fascho System. These Neon green Nazis are advertising sluts for the pharmaceutical industry, nothing else.
In 2018 I was in Artemis for the birthday party. During the night I often saw these weird guests, men and women in normal street wear. Later I found out that at least one of them was a local Berlin green politician ("Baustadtrat" or something). These motherfuckers made evil evil comments about all the other guests. Real line.
Why should anybody aloud legal mass prostitution, without having the total control? The most important thing nowadays is protection of the health. The german folk body need to stay healthy! Thats why "normal thinking brains" have to put health over freedom. In Germany it's also not possible to win elections without the votes of the older generation. Thanks to German propaganda TV, the majority of the older people suffering from irrational fears of a little virus. These people want a maximum of protection, you can't open these dark, dirty clubs where people letting the sow out, sharing all sorts of viruses. It's just too DANGEROUS for the Wohnmichel!
I am not able to see the eyes of Annalena Bitchbock while she smiles, alert! Just take your media consultant husband, your capitalistic children and your bubble butt back to Hannover, whole PDM city is not in love. Expect the buttlickers.
But here is the good news, if you criticize the pimps, they burn your post, if you criticize the government, they burn your post. So guess who is the biggest pimp in Germany? Jajajajaja (how my friends from China would say) it is the motherfucking government. So just say 'yes' to the next GROKO, black and green, and we will teach you what it means to be clean!
So everyone should look forward to visit these hygienically clean, totally controlled state clubs. WTF!
15 months of pandemic show in Germany. Over 83,1 million people survived, easily. Never more than 0. 3 % of the citizens counted as active cases. Only 86.160 people died so far, with or because of the virus, on average old enough to die. In the last seven days Germany had only 0. 08 positive PCR tests per 100 citizens. So you need to meet over 1000 people to find someone who is maybe infectious, statistically.
Infected people usually have no or mild symptoms, they are sitting in Homequarantine, only a tiny minority is very sick. But why happen every day "new infections" if the infected people are isolated? Because there's every day a dark figure out there, like there is every day a dark figure of recovered persons.
Just go to a doctor and tell him you have a headache, pain in the back and you lost the ability to taste the difference between tea and tea with sugar. Diagnosis, Long Covid! All these people have luxury problems.
Imagine Germany with only one new infection per day. How are the health care authorities able to guarantee that this one person is telling the truth about all their contacts? It is not possible. Expect you observe every citizens 24/7. Welcome police state.
All the corona laws, rules and measures are political decisions, not much to do with health. That's why vaccine or no vaccine is a political decision. Everybody who is doing the vaccine without having a high risk, is just another cowardly fascist.
Everyone should ask himself why the Fascho government isn't trusting their own "independent" scientists. Vaccinated people are the only people in the world who are not a danger for other people. Really, you will never ever find a vaccinated person in a criminal statistic.
Or is here anybody who believes that the Hamas is vaccinated? Is here anybody who believes that the Israeli soldiers who are murdering children in Gaza are vaccinated? However.
Vaccinate the club operators and the staff and then open the sex clubs, now! Of course only for the vaccinated guests.
Tested, vaccinated or dangerously sick. Your choice.
I am an Egoist, I I I want to read reports of the vaccinated mongers. So happy about the new world clubs, everything so safe, only normal order vaccinated people, only healthy guests who don't smoke, meat free food, no more loud awful Roma music, falling prices for illegal BBBJ and every hooker is kissing the deepest.
Pfizer is making the happiest life! But don't use a petrol car driving every six months to vaccine centre!
War wasn't the choice of the people.
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[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2560325]Homie, reality check is needed.
Neon green Nazis mention nothing concrete in their agenda. Just power addicted, say nothing to say nothing wrong. This is also the clique who want strictest corona laws, that means as long as the numbers are too high, it is unfortunately not possible to open clubs, just to dangerous for the health care system, you know. They are also pushing over and over again the digital tracing, just for the protection! Too high numbers, means for them everything over zero and zero infections are not possible as long as you have your thung deep in the ass of the Testindustry.
Neon green politicians and their voters are usually rich people, eating this biological clean food, wearing fair trade clothes, washing hands 24/7 and driving electric cars, but still blowing the most cee ohh two into the atmosphere. All this green deal sh*t is just another capitalistic business model.
Just take five minutes, research for Luise Neubauer and Carla Reemtsma. But don't hate too much. These are rich Nazi children, neon green terrorist, with too much time, want to dictate the life of ordinary people. But they have very honourable reasons, they just want to rescue the whole planet. Awesome...[/QUOTE]86 000 deaths are a lot for me, and would have been much more, without lockdown. Brothels are risky playfield for spreading and I don't see only healthy looks in brothels.
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FKKs Next?
Berlin opens beer gardens.
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/health-minister-urges-caution-berlin-095926068.html[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2561336]Berlin opens beer gardens.
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/health-minister-urges-caution-berlin-095926068.html[/URL][/QUOTE]And the March continues.
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Hey, well it is like a few months I've been lurking and I only just realized I can reply to the posts without premium. Golf clap for me.
I'm planning on going to Germany when it opens (as soon as possibly, honestly). Aiming for Frankfurt, but I have a couple of questions regarding logistics.
Namely, how easy is it to get around via taxi? Is there a preferred phone app (like Uber or Lyft) to call a ride? Without a taxi I would only be able to get to Mainhatten and Palace. I'm not opposed to only visiting two clubs, but variety is the spice of life and whatnot.
I only have a very rudimentary understanding of German. Would this be fine to get around as a tourist?
How would cell phones and mobile data work? I visited the DR this year and despite the fact I bought roaming, I wasn't able to use my phone because my carrier was stupid. I had to buy a local sim.
Do the airports have a kiosk where I can buy a local sim for txt and data? Or would I need to elsewhere to buy a local sim?
I understand that in Germany, cash is king. Not counting the club and girl fees, about how much do you think you would spend on everything else?
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[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2561702]Hey, well it is like a few months I've been lurking and I only just realized I can reply to the posts without premium. Golf clap for me.
I'm planning on going to Germany when it opens (as soon as possibly, honestly). Aiming for Frankfurt, but I have a couple of questions regarding logistics.
Namely, how easy is it to get around via taxi? Is there a preferred phone app (like Uber or Lyft) to call a ride? Without a taxi I would only be able to get to Mainhatten and Palace. I'm not opposed to only visiting two clubs, but variety is the spice of life and whatnot.
I only have a very rudimentary understanding of German. Would this be fine to get around as a tourist?
How would cell phones and mobile data work? I visited the DR this year and despite the fact I bought roaming, I wasn't able to use my phone because my carrier was stupid. I had to buy a local sim.
Do the airports have a kiosk where I can buy a local sim for txt and data? Or would I need to elsewhere to buy a local sim?
I understand that in Germany, cash is king. Not counting the club and girl fees, about how much do you think you would spend on everything else?[/QUOTE]Managing in English and with credit card, only cash for paid sex, is all what you need, when Germany will allow, when they just put under 15 days quarantine all UK, even vaccined or with negative test made on arrival, ranking UK as risky mutants area.
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[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2561702]Namely, how easy is it to get around via taxi? Is there a preferred phone app (like Uber or Lyft) to call a ride? Without a taxi I would only be able to get to Mainhatten and Palace. I'm not opposed to only visiting two clubs, but variety is the spice of life and whatnot.
[/QUOTE]I think Uber is not allowed to operate in Germany, but you can use Freenow app [URL]https://free-now.com/[/URL].
[QUOTE]I only have a very rudimentary understanding of German. Would this be fine to get around as a tourist?[/QUOTE]Not a problem, learn a few words and you will also find that a lot of Germans and working girls can speak English.
[QUOTE]How would cell phones and mobile data work? I visited the DR this year and despite the fact I bought roaming, I wasn't able to use my phone because my carrier was stupid. I had to buy a local sim.[/QUOTE]It may be that you need to talk to your provider to enable international roaming.
[QUOTE]Do the airports have a kiosk where I can buy a local sim for txt and data? Or would I need to elsewhere to buy a local sim?[/QUOTE]To get a local sim, you are required to show ID [B]and[/B] proof of a German address, I discovered that they will not accept a hotel address.
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[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2560325]Homie, reality check is needed.
Neon green Nazis mention nothing concrete in their agenda. Just power addicted, say nothing to say nothing wrong. This is also the clique who want strictest corona laws, that means as long as the numbers are too high, it is unfortunately not possible to open clubs, just to dangerous for the health care system, you know. They are also pushing over and over again the digital tracing, just for the protection! Too high numbers, means for them everything over zero and zero infections are not possible as long as you have your thung deep in the ass of the Testindustry.
Neon green politicians and their voters are usually rich people, eating this biological clean food, wearing fair trade clothes, washing hands 24/7 and driving electric cars, but still blowing the most cee ohh two into the atmosphere. All this green deal sh*t is just another capitalistic business model.
Just take five minutes, research for Luise Neubauer and Carla Reemtsma. But don't hate too much. These are rich Nazi children, neon green terrorist, with too much time, want to dictate the life of ordinary people. But they have very honourable reasons, they just want to rescue the whole planet. Awesome.
It doesn't matter what you vote in Germany, in the end you vote a capitalistic Fascho System. These Neon green Nazis are advertising sluts for the pharmaceutical industry, nothing else.
In 2018 I was in Artemis for the birthday party. During the night I often saw these weird guests, men and women in normal street wear. Later I found out that at least one of them was a local Berlin green politician ("Baustadtrat" or something). These motherfuckers made evil evil comments about all the other guests. Real line.
Why should anybody aloud legal mass prostitution, without having the total control? The most important thing nowadays is protection of the health. The german folk body need to stay healthy! Thats why "normal thinking brains" have to put health over freedom. In Germany it's also not possible to win elections without the votes of the older generation. Thanks to German propaganda TV, the majority of the older people suffering from irrational fears of a little virus. These people want a maximum of protection, you can't open these dark, dirty clubs where people letting the sow out, sharing all sorts of viruses. It's just too DANGEROUS for the Wohnmichel!
I am not able to see the eyes of Annalena Bitchbock while she smiles, alert! Just take your media consultant husband, your capitalistic children and your bubble butt back to Hannover, whole PDM city is not in love. Expect the buttlickers.
But here is the good news, if you criticize the pimps, they burn your post, if you criticize the government, they burn your post. So guess who is the biggest pimp in Germany? Jajajajaja (how my friends from China would say) it is the motherfucking government. So just say 'yes' to the next GROKO, black and green, and we will teach you what it means to be clean!
So everyone should look forward to visit these hygienically clean, totally controlled state clubs. WTF!
15 months of pandemic show in Germany. Over 83,1 million people survived, easily. Never more than 0. 3 % of the citizens counted as active cases. Only 86.160 people died so far, with or because of the virus, on average old enough to die. In the last seven days Germany had only 0. 08 positive PCR tests per 100 citizens. So you need to meet over 1000 people to find someone who is maybe infectious, statistically.
Infected people usually have no or mild symptoms, they are sitting in Homequarantine, only a tiny minority is very sick. But why happen every day "new infections" if the infected people are isolated? Because there's every day a dark figure out there, like there is every day a dark figure of recovered persons.
Just go to a doctor and tell him you have a headache, pain in the back and you lost the ability to taste the difference between tea and tea with sugar. Diagnosis, Long Covid! All these people have luxury problems.
[/QUOTE]Hahaha, funny post, and don't forget that American Windowzzz Fascist and Epstein's Pedo-Buga-Bunga-Party-Buddy, Bill Gates.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.html[/URL]
[QUOTE]Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His Past[/QUOTE]The ordinary Proletariate has to show "solidarity" ("we're all in this together") and get locked up into their houses, businesses driven into bankruptcy, and everybody vaccinated with an experimental mRNA vaccine, but the VaccineMafia themselves isn't so much into 'solidarity' when it comes to sharing the loot!
Imagine the VaccineMafia having to SHARE their patents and knowledge for free to "save" the planet of this "deadly" disease?
[QUOTE]Krystal Ball Bill Gates is lying to you about vaccine patent protection[/QUOTE][URL]https://youtu.be/kZ5DavuOkcM[/URL]
[URL]https://youtu.be/b02N2-DWKk0[/URL]
Is it really about "saving" the planet of a "deadly" disease, or is it all about making a TON of money and removing all civil liberties? / sarc.
And NO, it won't end with this simple vaccination. Once the 'summer playtime' and the German election are over, get ready for more lockdowns "due to mutations," "booster vaccines" and covid tracking apps.
Even IF FKK clubs were open right now (they are not of course), then UK mongers would be out of luck, as Germany has closed it's borders for UK residents (vaccinated or not!) due to the "Indian strain:" [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/22/germany-to-bar-visitors-from-uk-over-covid-variants-of-concern[/URL].
[QUOTE]As of midnight on 23 May, people travelling to Germany from Great Britain and Northern Ireland may only enter the country if they are a German citizen or resident.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Downandup;2561827]To get a local sim, you are required to show ID [B]and[/B] proof of a German address, I discovered that they will not accept a hotel address.[/QUOTE]Well dang. I'm not opposed to paying for roaming, just that my carrier (mint) royally screwed me in DR. I had signal, text and voice, but no data. Kind of important when I was relying on google voice translation. Guess I'll give them a call before I go to Germany to make sure.
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To get a local sim, you are required to show ID [B]and[/B] proof of a German address, I discovered that they will not accept a hotel address.
In the fight against Islamic terror attacks in Europe to get in SIm card is more and more difficult, mostly impossible in countries like Poland, Hungary, Slovenia (without a resident permit). Sometimes possible in Germany by some under the desk pre registered SIM sold by shops in the Frankfurt bahnhof district.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2561939]To get a local sim, you are required to show ID [B]and[/B] proof of a German address, I discovered that they will not accept a hotel address.
In the fight against Islamic terror attacks in Europe to get in SIm card is more and more difficult, mostly impossible in countries like Poland, Hungary, Slovenia (without a resident permit). Sometimes possible in Germany by some under the desk pre registered SIM sold by shops in the Frankfurt bahnhof district.[/QUOTE]I've been going to Germany for many years and have never been turned down from getting a sim card showing my passport and giving hotel address. I have bought sim cards in malls, HBF and elsewhere.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2561965]I've been going to Germany for many years and have never been turned down from getting a sim card showing my passport and giving hotel address. I have bought sim cards in malls, HBF and elsewhere.[/QUOTE]Have you done in 2019?
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2561965]I've been going to Germany for many years and have never been turned down from getting a sim card showing my passport and giving hotel address. I have bought sim cards in malls, HBF and elsewhere.[/QUOTE]Got a 20 e sim card from Aldi myself before. No problems.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2562099]Have you done in 2019?[/QUOTE]Definitely did. At Vodafone Zeil.
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Lower Saxony prohibits prostitution until 24 June 2021
https://www.niedersachsen.de/download/169252
"The regulation regulates the entry into force and expiry of the regulation. The regulation enables the timely revision of a standard regulation for the period of validity of the Lower Saxony Corona Regulation, which is limited to May 30,2021. The ordinance comes into force on May 31,2021. The expiry is regulated for the end of June 24,2021.
The operation of prostitution facilities according to Section 2, Paragraph 3, No. 1 of the Prostitute Protection Act (ProstSchG) and prostitution vehicles according to Section 2, Section 3, No. 2 of the ProstSchG is prohibited. 2 In addition to sentence 1, the implementation and attendance of prostitution events according to Section 2 (3) number 3 ProstSchG, the provision and use of sexual services within the meaning of Section 2 (1) ProstSchG including the implementation of prostitution mediation according to Section 2 (3) No. 4 ProstSchG, performing erotic massages in a prostitution facility or a prostitution vehicle within the meaning of sentence 1 and street prostitution are prohibited ".
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Schleswig Holstein
[URL]https://www.schleswig-holstein.de/DE/Schwerpunkte/Coronavirus/Erlasse/2021/210529_Corona-BekaempfungsVO.html[/URL]#docfa368860-019 d-4291-b8 ae-5 fd60 dbf073 cbodyText15.
Google translate:
For the operation of a prostitution facility within the meaning of Section 2 Paragraph 3 Number 1 of the Prostitute Protection Act (ProstSchG) of October 21,2016 (Federal Law Gazette I p. 2372), last amended by Article 5 Paragraph 1 of the Act of March 9, 2021 (Federal Law Gazette. I p. 327), a prostitution agency within the meaning of Section 2 (3) number 4 ProstSchG and the provision of sexual services with physical contact within the meaning of Section 2 (1) ProstSchG, the following requirements and restrictions apply:
Operators or, if they are not available, prostitutes within the meaning of Section 2 (2) ProstSchG, must create a hygiene concept in accordance with Section 4 (1) that also takes into account the particular risk of infection of the service offered;.
Operators or, if they do not exist, prostitutes must collect the customer's contact details prior to rendering the sexual service in accordance with Section 4 (2);.
During their stay in prostitution facilities within the meaning of Section 2 (4) ProstSchG and during sexual service in accordance with Section 2 a (1 a), customers must wear a qualified mouth and nose cover;.
Sexual services may only be provided to persons who have been tested within the meaning of Section 2 Number 6 SchAusnahmV;.
Prostitutes must have a test certificate that is no more than 72 hours old in accordance with Section 2 Number 7 SchAusnahmV;.
Prostitutes have to wear a qualified mouth and nose cover during the provision of the service in accordance with § 2 a Paragraph 1 a;.
Sexual services may only be performed by one prostitute at a time for one person; no other people may be in the same room during this time;.
Staying in prostitution centers and providing and receiving sexual services is only permitted for asymptomatic persons within the meaning of Section 2 Number 1 SchAusnahmV who are not recognizably intoxicated;.
No alcohol may be served or consumed in prostitution centers and The provision of sexual services in prostitution vehicles within the meaning of Section 2 (5) ProstSchG, in other vehicles and outside of closed rooms is not permitted. Prostitution events within the meaning of Section 2 (6) ProstSchG and the provision of prostitution vehicles within the meaning of Section 2 (5) ProstSchG are not permitted.
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FKK Clubs reopening throughout Hessen on Friday. 25th June
According to the website here, the following clubs are reopening as of Friday: [URL]https://www.fkk24.de/fkk-saunaclubs/hessen.[/URL].
FKK Sharks.
FKK-World.
FKK-Mainhattan.
FKK-Oase.
Bahama Club.
Still closed:
FKK Rom.
The Palace.
Dietzenbach.
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FKK Rom
FKK Rom will also reopen as of the 1st July, according to their website.
[URL]https://fkk-rom.de/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Lanthano;2572291]According to the website here, the following clubs are reopening as of Friday: [URL]https://www.fkk24.de/fkk-saunaclubs/hessen.[/URL].
FKK Sharks.
FKK-World.
FKK-Mainhattan.
FKK-Oase.
Bahama Club.
Still closed:
FKK Rom.
The Palace.
Dietzenbach.[/QUOTE]Great information Sir Lanthano. Great to see you back. A guy we can certainly trust. A guy who is for real. Most refreshing to see a real player post the pertinent information that truly sells memberships and brings out the best of us. Keep up the good work and hopefully some of the other most genuine experienced members will soon also post again.
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FKK Atlanta
Aside from FKK Rom, FKK Atlanta will also reopen on 1st July.
[URL]https://www.fkk-atlanta.de/[/URL]
Looks like the Palace is the only one yet to reopen formally (have my theories why).
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[QUOTE=Lanthano;2572985]Aside from FKK Rom, FKK Atlanta will also reopen on 1st July.
[URL]https://www.fkk-atlanta.de/[/URL]
Looks like the Palace is the only one yet to reopen formally (have my theories why).[/QUOTE]Palace needs big fairs to make money.
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And. Palace is reopening
Palace is reopening on the 2nd July, this Friday.
[URL]https://www.fkk24.de/the-palace/events/wiedereroeffnung[/URL]
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Using Luca when entering clubs
Some clubs require that you register your name, email and phone number using the Luca mobile app, when entering the club.
I wrote a guide on how to get a secondary phone number and email on the Hamburg thread, and how to use this contact information with Luca. May be useful to some.
See: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?681-Hamburg&p=2585401&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2585401.
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What's the best app or company for hailing a taxi? So far I've only found an app called sixt. If there is something more akin to uber could I have guidance please?
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[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2587012]What's the best app or company for hailing a taxi? So far I've only found an app called sixt. If there is something more akin to uber could I have guidance please?[/QUOTE]It used be called my taxi. No it is called free now (don't ask me why it is called, it will never be free). You can download from apple store. Just search free now.
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[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2587012]What's the best app or company for hailing a taxi? So far I've only found an app called sixt. If there is something more akin to uber could I have guidance please?[/QUOTE]Taxi. De.
Mytaxi.
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[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2587012]What's the best app or company for hailing a taxi? So far I've only found an app called sixt. If there is something more akin to uber could I have guidance please?[/QUOTE]I answered this for another member in a different thread: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3309-German-FKK-Clubs-Lounge-and-chat-area&p=2585934&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2585934.
Best to Look at Free Now app, possibly Bolt.
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Traveling Within Europe
Got a few questions about traveling within Europe, maybe someone can help. I'm planning to fly from US to Spain for a few days then to Italy for a few days and then finally to Germany.
I'm seeing on the embassy websites for Spain and Italy and they both require some online ID before entry. I'm not seeing one for Germany, is that correct? Is there control in German airports for flights within Europe?
If anyone have experience traveling in Europe in 2021 let me know.
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[QUOTE=AznHotBoy;2588789]Got a few questions about traveling within Europe, maybe someone can help. I'm planning to fly from US to Spain for a few days then to Italy for a few days and then finally to Germany.
I'm seeing on the embassy websites for Spain and Italy and they both require some online ID before entry. I'm not seeing one for Germany, is that correct? Is there control in German airports for flights within Europe?
If anyone have experience traveling in Europe in 2021 let me know.[/QUOTE]You have to register on site for Italy, not for Germany, when you are from EU, don't know from US, but for sure at least same.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2589170]You have to register on site for Italy, not for Germany, when you are from EU, don't know from US, but for sure at least same.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the help.
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Travel From US?
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/germany-designates-u-turkey-israel-103037269.html[/URL]
Oh dear!
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2592556][URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/germany-designates-u-turkey-israel-103037269.html[/URL]
Oh dear![/QUOTE]This Israel news is troubling. FT had a good article on Israeli breakthrough cases yesterday. Economic activity is slowing down again. Travel sensitive stocks are rolling down for months and keep in mind that stock prices are forward looking indicators; not looking great in general.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2592556][URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/germany-designates-u-turkey-israel-103037269.html[/URL]
Oh dear![/QUOTE]Along with discontinuing free tests, this is in line with Germany's push to promote vaccination:
[QUOTE]“Vaccinated travellers or those who have recovered from covid don’t have to quarantine if they can show proof of vaccination or recovery.”[/QUOTE]
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European Travel
[QUOTE=Turgid;2592556][URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/germany-designates-u-turkey-israel-103037269.html[/URL]
Oh dear![/QUOTE]Breaking hearts (and canceling plans) from coast to coast.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2592556][URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/germany-designates-u-turkey-israel-103037269.html[/URL]
Oh dear![/QUOTE]Really? More restrictions? In 'liberal' Germany?
Who would have possibly foreseen that?
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Where are the millions and millions of deaths in India? Herd immunity is the answer!
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2592612]Along with discontinuing free tests, this is in line with Germany's push to promote vaccination:[/QUOTE]Hahaha, the true fanatics still believe in the lockdown-vaccination and their ridiculous "zero Covid" strategy. Look at Israel: the vaccination strategy has failed miserably, but instead you have a Nazi system of apps-Green Passports, lockdowns, and more face diapers!
In the meantime, Indians have barely been vaccinated, so one would expect millions and millions of deaths in a country with 1,4 billion inhabitants, a lot of poverty and poor hygiene, and a mediocre healthcare system. Instead India has embarked on a strategy of treatment versus the insane Chinese-Western strategy of "Zero CoNvid. ".
[URL]https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indias-ivermectin-blackout/article_e3db8f46-f942-11eb-9eea-77d5e2519364.html[/URL]
[QUOTE]Yes, exactly. Ask yourself why India’s success against the Delta variant with Ivermectin is such a closely guarded secret by the NIH and CDC. Second, ask yourself why no major media outlets reported this fact, but instead, tried to confuse you with false information by saying the deaths in India are 10 times greater than official reports.[/QUOTE]We've seen what happened with the so-called "British Mutation" in the European winter, which was a complete fiasco for all the scaremongers, so it quietly disappeared off the radar and was replaced with hype about "the Indian Variant. " And now the "Indian Variant" has been silently rebranded as the "Delta Plus Variant" because unfortunately for all the scaremongers, the dead bodies are NOT piling up in India so the Western-Chinese media never mention India anymore.
Oh, and what about herd immunity? Well here it is in India: [URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/india/india-govt-survey-shows-two-thirds-have-coronavirus-antibodies-2021-07-20/[/URL].
One month ago, 67% of Indians had antibodies:
[QUOTE]Two-thirds of Indians have coronavirus antibodies, survey shows[/QUOTE]But of course the Reuters scaremongers and "fact checkers" desperately try to fan the flames of fear, but now one month after this Fake News Reuters bullshit was published, still NO millions of deaths in India for the remaining third of Indians:
[QUOTE]"One out of three, wherever you are, ... is still vulnerable and therefore the pandemic is no way over," he said.[/QUOTE]The truth is that the remaining 33% of Indians probably also now have antibodies, and of course no mention of Ivermectin from the 'Reuters fact checkers. ' LOL!
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2592595]This Israel news is troubling. FT had a good article on Israeli breakthrough cases yesterday. Economic activity is slowing down again. Travel sensitive stocks are rolling down for months and keep in mind that stock prices are forward looking indicators; not looking great in general.[/QUOTE]They had gambled with Pfizer and lost. The Pfizer vaccine is only 42% effective now. Even though they have the highest vaccination rate of any country.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2592612]Along with discontinuing free tests, this is in line with Germany's push to promote vaccination:[/QUOTE]How will this be enforced? What if someone says they will do a quarantine and instead goes to the FKK?
Also the vaccine card is just a 80 lb white cardstock which there are pdf's online. So what is to stop people from printing their own cards?
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Conspiracy time: [URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-57888460[/URL].
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2593386]Conspiracy time: [URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-57888460[/URL].[/QUOTE]I'm not sure how much of a conspiracy this would be. But if you put an infectious disease in an area with the highest population density on the planet, which also has sub optimal medical infrastructure and it is going to be a melting pot for death. I'm honestly surprised that China wasn't hit harder, considering they were ground zero.
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[QUOTE=DrPoon;2592857]How will this be enforced? What if someone says they will do a quarantine and instead goes to the FKK?
Also the vaccine card is just a 80 lb white cardstock which there are pdf's online. So what is to stop people from printing their own cards?[/QUOTE]There are definitely cracks in the plan. But I don't think catching foreign travelers with fake documents or breaking quarantine is the main priority. That might amount to hundreds or even thousands of people when the mission is to push millions of their own citizens to go get vaccinated.
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[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2593462]I'm not sure how much of a conspiracy this would be. But if you put an infectious disease in an area with the highest population density on the planet, which also has sub optimal medical infrastructure and it is going to be a melting pot for death. I'm honestly surprised that China wasn't hit harder, considering they were ground zero.[/QUOTE]Who know the truth about real Chinese figures? When some people disappear with no explanation. Who can trust China? Same like Putin.
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Today the new C19 rules are announced as they will be valid as of Friday August 20th. Summary:
- clubs do not longer have to close when incient rate 35, but. Then the usual Vaccinated, Cured or (negative) Tested is again valid, but. Antigeen (fast) tests are no longer allower, only the (more expensive) PCR tests! Holds for both ladies and men!
- when indicent rate < 35, no specific C19 rules.
- no longer registration of personal details required (as it seems, not confirmed yet).
So it seems ok for most clients, but the girls now really need to get their vaccination, because bi-daily PCR testing will be an expensive job.
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[QUOTE=Maxime;2593697]Today the new C19 rules are announced as they will be valid as of Friday August 20th. Summary:
- clubs do not longer have to close when incient rate 35, but. Then the usual Vaccinated, Cured or (negative) Tested is again valid, but. Antigeen (fast) tests are no longer allower, only the (more expensive) PCR tests! Holds for both ladies and men!
- when indicent rate < 35, no specific C19 rules.
- no longer registration of personal details required (as it seems, not confirmed yet).
So it seems ok for most clients, but the girls now really need to get their vaccination, because bi-daily PCR testing will be an expensive job.[/QUOTE]Nice to hear.
The pcr requirement is definitely in line with the push for vaccination. Developing theory is that pcr tests are not as precise in determining transmissibility. Antigen tests is more correlated with level of viral load / inoculum which would be a better measure of whether someone is infectious.
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American friends,
Can I use CDC vaccine card in Germany (at the border, hotel, restaurants, clubs, etc) or do I need some kind of digital verification?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2593743]Nice to hear.
The pcr requirement is definitely in line with the push for vaccination. Developing theory is that pcr tests are not as precise in determining transmissibility. Antigen tests is more correlated with level of viral load / inoculum which would be a better measure of whether someone is infectious.[/QUOTE]I thought the same pharmacies that do the rapid tests for free also do the PCR tests for free?
So the results usually take 24 hours and then you need to return to the pharmacy to get the printed result to carry around?
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[QUOTE=Maxime;2593697]Today the new C19 rules are announced as they will be valid as of Friday August 20th. Summary:
- clubs do not longer have to close when incient rate 35, but. Then the usual Vaccinated, Cured or (negative) Tested is again valid, but. Antigeen (fast) tests are no longer allower, only the (more expensive) PCR tests! Holds for both ladies and men!
- when indicent rate < 35, no specific C19 rules.
- no longer registration of personal details required (as it seems, not confirmed yet).
So it seems ok for most clients, but the girls now really need to get their vaccination, because bi-daily PCR testing will be an expensive job.[/QUOTE]I'm googling but I can't find when I'm counting as vaccintated. I took the 2nd dose 1 week ago but to enter Germany I needed to have been taking the dose 2 weeks ago to be counted as vaccinated (so I took a rapid test instead). Is it the same for entering clubs? This is so confusing. Germany. Gah.
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[QUOTE=DrPoon;2593865]I thought the same pharmacies that do the rapid tests for free also do the PCR tests for free?
So the results usually take 24 hours and then you need to return to the pharmacy to get the printed result to carry around?[/QUOTE]In De, the antigen test can be found for free for now. PCR can be done in various clinics and offices for around 70-100 euro. The pharmacy I checked did not do any tests. You get your test results back on an app on your phone which can take over 24 hrs for PCR.
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[QUOTE=Samcik;2593761]American friends,
Can I use CDC vaccine card in Germany (at the border, hotel, restaurants, clubs, etc) or do I need some kind of digital verification?[/QUOTE]CDC vaccine card gets you into the clubs with no problem. No checks at the land border, hotel, and restaurants for me so far. Need to fill out contact tracing info at some restaurants.
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[QUOTE=Sportsman;2594034]CDC vaccine card gets you into the clubs with no problem. No checks at the land border, hotel, and restaurants for me so far. Need to fill out contact tracing info at some restaurants.[/QUOTE]This is completely terrible with these new tests costing 100 euros that is like wasting an hour session or two 30 minute sessions and then combined with the rental care rates, not good at all.
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[QUOTE=Sportsman;2594034]CDC vaccine card gets you into the clubs with no problem. No checks at the land border, hotel, and restaurants for me so far. Need to fill out contact tracing info at some restaurants.[/QUOTE]All 100% correct. Same experience last 3 weeks.
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[QUOTE=Kippen;2593887]I'm googling but I can't find when I'm counting as vaccintated. I took the 2nd dose 1 week ago but to enter Germany I needed to have been taking the dose 2 weeks ago to be counted as vaccinated (so I took a rapid test instead). Is it the same for entering clubs? This is so confusing. Germany. Gah.[/QUOTE]Yes, you must wait 2 weeks after the second injection to be counted as "vaccinated".
Otherwise you must show a negative test.
This applies for both entering Germany and the clubs.
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Most clubs will (re-) open as of today.
Most wil start with 3 G=GGG rules, but only PCR Test not antigeen test allowed anymore. Some clubs (like FKK Prime) already introduced 2 G, so only vaccinated or cured is valid to enter the club. Because PCR test is too expensive and complicated (last 24-49 hours to get result, etc). Expect 2 G to be the norm in a week or so for other clubs also.
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[QUOTE=Maxime;2594897]Most clubs will (re-) open as of today.
Most wil start with 3 G=GGG rules, but only PCR Test not antigeen test allowed anymore. Some clubs (like FKK Prime) already introduced 2 G, so only vaccinated or cured is valid to enter the club. Because PCR test is too expensive and complicated (last 24-49 hours to get result, etc). Expect 2 G to be the norm in a week or so for other clubs also.[/QUOTE]If it takes 48 hours to get the result isn't that already too late? Or does one only get one visit per 100 euro test?
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[QUOTE=Sportsman;2594034]CDC vaccine card gets you into the clubs with no problem. No checks at the land border, hotel, and restaurants for me so far. Need to fill out contact tracing info at some restaurants.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that update Sportsman.
I'm planning going to Bochum for 5 days on 29th. I have both Vaccine Card and European covid digital passport on my phone. Hopefully one or both work.
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[QUOTE=DrPoon;2594940]If it takes 48 hours to get the result isn't that already too late? Or does one only get one visit per 100 euro test?[/QUOTE]Faster in France, about 12 hours, when PCR test is valid for only 48 hours.
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[QUOTE=Arnold15;2594113]Yes, you must wait 2 weeks after the second injection to be counted as "vaccinated".
Otherwise you must show a negative test.
This applies for both entering Germany and the clubs.[/QUOTE]I know I must wait 2 weeks to be able to cross the border so I took a test in Sweden before I left. But no Polizei at border of course but all the hotels wanted to have a look at the test at check-in. Very nice of Merkel to provide free rapid test :) Anyway I got into clubs with the EU vaccine passport (or whatever the name is) even if its 5 days left until I should be counted as fully vaccinated.
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[QUOTE=Maxime;2594897]Most clubs will (re-) open as of today.
Most wil start with 3 G=GGG rules, but only PCR Test not antigeen test allowed anymore. Some clubs (like FKK Prime) already introduced 2 G, so only vaccinated or cured is valid to enter the club. Because PCR test is too expensive and complicated (last 24-49 hours to get result, etc). Expect 2 G to be the norm in a week or so for other clubs also.[/QUOTE]As expected, PCR seems to be too complicated. Line ups decreased rapidly since yesterday, especially in NRW (where incident 35), and even some clubs closed (like RTC Villa Venus). Interesting to see what happens next and if girls (finally) decide that vaccination is maybe not a bad idea.
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[QUOTE=Maxime;2595308]As expected, PCR seems to be too complicated. Line ups decreased rapidly since yesterday, especially in NRW (where incident 35), and even some clubs closed (like RTC Villa Venus). Interesting to see what happens next and if girls (finally) decide that vaccination is maybe not a bad idea.[/QUOTE]Yes, the number of girls per club decreased.
But more clubs re-opened (like Oceans and Dolce Vita), so the girls were distributed on more clubs.
The girls that I met last weekend at ACA Gold were vaccinated.
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[QUOTE=Kippen;2595121]I know I must wait 2 weeks to be able to cross the border so I took a test in Sweden before I left. But no Polizei at border of course but all the hotels wanted to have a look at the test at check-in. Very nice of Merkel to provide free rapid test :) Anyway I got into clubs with the EU vaccine passport (or whatever the name is) even if its 5 days left until I should be counted as fully vaccinated.[/QUOTE]It really is an outrage so if one is covid positive then not allowed in a hotel? They are just supposed to pitch a tent instead?
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[QUOTE=Kippen;2595121]I know I must wait 2 weeks to be able to cross the border so I took a test in Sweden before I left. But no Polizei at border of course but all the hotels wanted to have a look at the test at check-in. Very nice of Merkel to provide free rapid test :) Anyway I got into clubs with the EU vaccine passport (or whatever the name is) even if its 5 days left until I should be counted as fully vaccinated.[/QUOTE]Some clubs are very strict and will not allow any tolerance.
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Americans May Be Denied Entry Into Europe
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/american-travelers-may-denied-admission-090106193.html[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2598855][URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/american-travelers-may-denied-admission-090106193.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Yahoo article you posted reports on WSJ article from previous day:
[QUOTE][b]The newspaper said some countries may still decide to allow U.S. visitors with proof of vaccination.[/b]
Citing two diplomats, the Journal said the EU has been pondering for about a month removing the U.S. from the list of countries whose citizens are allowed to visit for non-essential reasons. The impetus for such a decision has grown as U.S. admission continues to be denied to Europeans.[/QUOTE]There remains a sliver of hope for USA-based mongers. I could see a tourist-dependent country like Greece not banning all USA Visitors. So that could be the port of entry for the mongers truly desperate enough to visit FKK land.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2598855][URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/american-travelers-may-denied-admission-090106193.html[/URL][/QUOTE]That is confirmed now.
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Does anyone know what is up with one of the banner ads that I've seen here advertising Ukranian girls, oh my girls?
Not sure if it is allowed, but the banner ad links to [URL]https://ohmygirls.agency[/URL].
Anyone use this, know anything about it?
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[QUOTE=Kartoffel;2599010]That is confirmed now.[/QUOTE]What has been confirmed? American are all banned to enter EU or only those not vaccinated?
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[QUOTE=DaWong949;2599086]What has been confirmed? American are all banned to enter EU or only those not vaccinated?[/QUOTE]You can still go if you are fully vaccinated. Otherwise quarantine for five to ten days.
Source: [URL]https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/blog-coronavirus-102.html[/URL].
Google translate:
EU recommends restrictions for travelers from the US.
The EU recommends stricter entry rules for people from countries like the USA and Israel. A total of six countries were removed from the list of countries today for which corona restrictions are no longer to apply, as the EU Council announced.
The main reason for this is the high incidence rate. Affected are northern Macedonia, Montenegro, Kosovo and the Lebanon affected.
The changes have no consequences for people who want to travel to Germany from the USA and Israel and the aforementioned Balkan states. The Federal Republic of Germany has been classifying the federal states as high-risk areas for some time. Entrants who have not been vaccinated or have recovered therefore currently have to be in quarantine for five to ten days.
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[QUOTE=DaWong949;2599086]What has been confirmed? American are all banned to enter EU or only those not vaccinated?[/QUOTE]Also can people just fly into a non vaccine country such as Greece or Switzerland and take a flight or train in to Germany without a vaccine?
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[QUOTE=Maxime;2594897]Most clubs will (re-) open as of today.
Most wil start with 3 G=GGG rules, but only PCR Test not antigeen test allowed anymore. Some clubs (like FKK Prime) already introduced 2 G, so only vaccinated or cured is valid to enter the club. Because PCR test is too expensive and complicated (last 24-49 hours to get result, etc). Expect 2 G to be the norm in a week or so for other clubs also.[/QUOTE]GGG has another meaning as well. .
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[QUOTE=SvenFKK;2599259]GGG has another meaning as well. .[/QUOTE]What's the other one?
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[QUOTE=DrPoon;2599195]Also can people just fly into a non vaccine country such as Greece or Switzerland and take a flight or train in to Germany without a vaccine?[/QUOTE]It maybe ok as a workaround for a routine tourist visit. But as a monger, you will be in clubs which are environments vulnerable to polizei razzia. I would recommend getting up to date on possible consequences and fines if they figure out your way of entry was kinda odd.
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[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2599270]What's the other one?[/QUOTE]Google on GGG Germany and you know 😎.
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[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2599143]You can still go if you are fully vaccinated. Otherwise quarantine for five to ten days.
Source: [URL]https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/blog-coronavirus-102.html[/URL].
Google translate:
EU recommends restrictions for travelers from the US.
The EU recommends stricter entry rules for people from countries like the USA and Israel. A total of six countries were removed from the list of countries today for which corona restrictions are no longer to apply, as the EU Council announced.
The main reason for this is the high incidence rate. Affected are northern Macedonia, Montenegro, Kosovo and the Lebanon affected.
The changes have no consequences for people who want to travel to Germany from the USA and Israel and the aforementioned Balkan states. The Federal Republic of Germany has been classifying the federal states as high-risk areas for some time. Entrants who have not been vaccinated or have recovered therefore currently have to be in quarantine for five to ten days.[/QUOTE]Thank you so much! What do you guys say to board police when she or he ask you what is your reason to enter Germany. As before, I just simply answer as tourist.
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[QUOTE=DaWong949;2599666]Thank you so much! What do you guys say to board police when she or he ask you what is your reason to enter Germany. As before, I just simply answer as tourist.[/QUOTE]Impossible to have a global answer it depends on the people who control. In the last 2 weeks a got 0 control by crossing boarders in Europe, this morning they check everything very deeply and even called the hospital to be sure that my proof of vaccines is not a fake.
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[QUOTE=DaWong949;2599666]Thank you so much! What do you guys say to board police when she or he ask you what is your reason to enter Germany. As before, I just simply answer as tourist.[/QUOTE]My standard answer at the border is always "I am on holiday". I consider it to be a uniformly accepted reason to enter EU.
I also monitor a couple websites on a daily basis before my departure later this month. First one is used by the airlines to inform passengers about current COVID rules in both departure and destination countries:
[URL]https://apply.joinsherpa.com/[/URL]
Secondly, a website for German Consulates in US. Scroll down to "news" and click "COVID-19". It gives you an up-to-date set of rules to enter Germany:
[URL]https://www.germany.info/[/URL]
Hope this helps.
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[QUOTE=DaWong949;2599666]Thank you so much! What do you guys say to board police when she or he ask you what is your reason to enter Germany. As before, I just simply answer as tourist.[/QUOTE]I always say I'm on holiday and I want to visit shops (which is also true) , the board police -Sometimes- check my return ticket and hotel reservation.
Once my friend told them he want to visit FKK, and they let him in without any further questions.
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[QUOTE=DaWong949;2599666]Thank you so much! What do you guys say to board police when she or he ask you what is your reason to enter Germany.....[/QUOTE]No need to sweat that, Germany is not Thailand or Colombia.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2599721]Impossible to have a global answer it depends on the people who control. In the last 2 weeks a got 0 control by crossing boarders in Europe, this morning they check everything very deeply and even called the hospital to be sure that my proof of vaccines is not a fake.[/QUOTE]I have entered either Zurich, Amsterdam, and Dusseldorf airports and never was questioned whatsoever. Just asked once how long I was staying. But never the purpose or reason for the trip.
Once I was stopped (which if rare) leaving the USA and bag searched and was interrogated but I stated I was just going to Germany to hang out.
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Trip Report: Frankfurt and Cologne, September 2021
This trip was my second tour of the Frankfurt area FKKs and Samya in neighboring Cologne; read my September 2019 trip report for background on my first German FKK tour. This week-long tour was a worthwhile change of scenery from the Latin American destinations to which I have been limited for the past year and a half. Nonetheless, as one might expect, this trip delivered a significantly less satisfying experience than my first FKK tour due to: smaller lineups; an even greater decrease in performance; the restrictions and general atmosphere in Germany; and the loss of novelty from my first trip. Aside from pandemic-related factors, I have also come to recognize, for future reference, that the Frankfurt area FKKs may be better for long layovers or long weekends than the longer trips of a week or more that I usually take to most other mongering destinations. I also hope in the future to visit local FKKs outside the Frankfurt area hub during broader explorations of other parts of Germany that interest me for non-mongering reasons, after Germany and its FKKs have had more time to recover.
This week-long FKK tour was the first leg of a two-week trip. My original reason for traveling to Europe was to visit Dubrovnik, Croatia, the remarkably well-preserved old city where HBO shot much of Game of Thrones, and a country that has been relatively lax with travel and other restrictions. In order to justify the cost, jet lag, and other hassles of a European trip, I wanted a two-week itinerary, but I did not want to spend a whole two weeks in Croatia. My research into flight options for Croatia from my point of origin (Miami) identified Frankfurt (FRA) as a possible connection airport, which immediately reminded me of my previous FKK tour. I checked ISG and read that German FKKs, including the main FKKs in and around Frankfurt, had reopened and achieved enough volume (albeit at reduced levels) to justify a trip there. I also read elsewhere that the EU would be tightening travel restrictions for USA Citizens, so I wanted to seize this window of opportunity while it remained open.
I booked an itinerary with Lufthansa, the airline with the only direct flights between Miami (MIA) and FRA at the time, as well as the direct flights between FRA and Dubrovnik (DBV) that I wanted. The airfare was higher than I would have expected, given the circumstances, perhaps due to my multi-city itinerary and the last-minute booking, but it was the most convenient option and also enabled a long, overnight layover in FRA on the way back to MIA from DBV. I found a cheap hotel near the Frankfurt train station for less than $40 USD per night; hotel prices seemed lower than I remembered from my 2019 trip, perhaps due to low levels of business travel. I bought a Deutsche Bahn rail pass to facilitate access to the FKKs outside Frankfurt's city limits and for visits to towns within day trip distance of Frankfurt that interested me for non-mongering reasons (Aachen, Mainz, Speyer, and Stuttgart).
To enter Germany, I needed my paper CDC vaccination card and an immigration form to be filled out online before departure. I also had to show my vaccination card: to enter the FKKs; to check into my hotel; to eat at restaurants; to smoke a cigar at a cigar lounge; and to enter museums and other tourist attractions. No one questioned the legitimacy of my paper CDC card, but some scrutinized it more thoroughly than others. Germany requires medical-grade masks; cloth masks will not do. The mask mandate applies to FKKs, but enforcement varied greatly from one to another. Palace, Mainhattan, and Oase generally disregarded it; indeed, Palace did not even check my vaccination card but just took my word for it. Samya gently reminded girls and customers to wear it while moving around the club, but not while seated or while consuming food or drink. Sharks enforced it so arbitrarily and inconsistently that it was not clear to me when they did or did not expect people to wear masks.
I had seven nights to spend at FKKs that first week, plus another night during my long layover on the way home from DBV. I first went to each of the four main FKKs in and around Frankfurt (Mainhattan, Palace, Sharks, and Oase) and also to Samya in Cologne after a day trip to neighboring Aachen. I reserved the last two nights that week for my favorite two out of those five which, as on my last trip, turned out to be Palace and Mainhattan again, but Samya might have been a contender if it were closer. I understand that my preference for Mainhattan and Palace is at odds with what seems to be the prevailing preference for Sharks and Oase; this discrepancy is probably a matter of personal taste. Out of those two FKKs within the city limits of Frankfurt, I preferred Mainhattan over Palace on my last trip, but on this trip I ended up rating them almost the same and chose to spend my long layover night at Palace, as I had already exhausted the lineup at Mainhattan on my two previous visits that first week.
The number of girls at the FKKs was noticeably lower than what I remembered from my previous trip. The difference was not enormous, but it was significant enough to impact the quality of my experiences, albeit not to the point that I regretted going. It was only at Oase, which originally had a smaller lineup in pre-pandemic times, that the reduced number of girls was so low that it might have been a mistake to go to that FKK at all. The reduction in the number of girls was most pronounced on slower nights (E. G. Monday) and least noticeable on busier nights (e. G. Weekends). I understood from ISG and the girls themselves that the reduced numbers of girls were due to a combination of: the authorities' requirements for vaccination, testing, or documented recovery in order to enter FKKs; and a reduction in customers stemming from the decrease in business travel and long-haul flight layovers.
Despite the reduced numbers, there was a high proportion of familiar faces from my last trip, including girls with whom I had sessions. Remarkably, more than a few girls recognized me from last time, regardless of whether or not I had sessions with them. Perhaps the disruption and recent resumption of the business has not given the FKKs enough time to refresh their talent pool and find more new girls. I also noticed that the predominance of Romanians seemed to be even greater than it was on my last trip; there were fewer girls from the other countries, such as Hungary, Bulgaria, Moldova, or Ukraine.
More troubling to me than the reduction in the number of girls was the even greater decrease in the average quality of the service that I received, compared to my previous trip. This observation comes with the caveats that: a) the novelty of my first trip may have given me an unduly flattering impression of the quality of service that I received the first time around; and b) I am probably pickier about service than most of you. Nonetheless, the higher proportion of duds and mediocre or lukewarm performers on this trip was in marked contrast to my first trip, when all but one of my sessions were satisfactory. I have no doubt that the disruption and recent resumption of the FKK business was responsible for this major decrease in the quality of service, but I am not sure exactly how or why. Are they out of practice and rusty? Did they forget how to suck a dick properly during lockdown? Are they overworked and burned out due to the reduced numbers of FKK girls? Have they lost their motivation to work hard and become disgruntled after the government robbed them of their livelihood on such dubious grounds?
Pricing remained largely consistent with my previous trip, albeit with some upward pressure and a bit more upsell than before. The historic 50 euros for half an hour with BBBJ and GFE was an endangered species when I was last there, and it has now become all but extinct; only the above-mentioned slender Romanian at Samya was willing to provide that level of service at that price. 100 euros for that premium level of service has clearly entrenched itself as a nearly universal standard, and some girls tried to push the envelope even further to 150. More troubling to me than the price inflation was that the quality of service even at that premium price point has clearly declined. The GFE was often half-assed, and the once strong BBBJ skills that astonished me on my last trip have atrophied in many cases. As for the infamous FKK upsell, a surprisingly high proportion of girls sought a 50 euro surcharge just for titfucking, even if I did not bust a nut on their tits. I can understand the upsell for things like CIM or anal, but such a large surcharge just for titfucking seems excessive to me. Oddly, I also received several unsolicited offers for prostate massages, which I did not encounter at all during my previous trip.
My first FKK visit, a Saturday afternoon and night at Mainhattan, was excellent. I did four sessions with three Romanians and a Croatian. Look for the tall, slender Romanian with large fake breasts resembling a cross between Anna Kendrick and Kate Beckinsale; she delivered excellent service. A dark-skinned Croatian with big natural tits demonstrated solid oral skills on par with what I remembered from my last trip. There was a very tall, thick, and dark Romanian with huge natural tits and ass that I might recommend to those of you that share my tastes, but her performance was just satisfactory. Another highlight was a slender, light-skinned Romanian blonde with an endearing GFE.
I went to Palace Sunday night, where I did two rooms with two Romanians. One had an athletic build with an amazing ass that she clearly exercises and jet black hair but light skin and blue eyes. She delivered great service both physically and in GFE terms. More disappointing in the service department was a very tall, thick, and dark Romanian with huge natural tits and ass whom I remembered seeing there on my last trip. While she did fit my physical tastes closely, in retrospect I should have recognized as a red flag that most of the local regular customers seemed to be avoiding her. There were few other choices on a slow Sunday night however, so I took the plunge. Palace nevertheless redeemed itself that night with a raven-haired, light-skinned petite Romanian who delivered a solid GFE.
I went to Sharks Monday night, in the hopes that its much larger lineup would offset the typically lower numbers on what I expected to be a slow night. The numbers were definitely there, but the lineup simply did not suit my taste, as I found on my last trip. I did, however, appreciate the more positive attitudes and less aggressive pricing that I found at Sharks on my previous trip, but those advantages seem to have disappeared since then. One smoking hot Serbian blonde with big tits and ass, one of the few at Sharks that suited my tastes, had the nerve to ask me why I had not brought her champagne when I approached her. I did manage to find a very tall and even slenderer Romanian with disproportionately large but natural tits and ass and very pale skin; she excelled in the purely physical sense but was lukewarm in attitude. In the absence of other desirable candidates for my second room, I settled for a petite, light-skinned Romanian blonde who was friendly but lacked sexual skills. Combined with their arbitrary and occasionally aggressive enforcement of the mask mandate and my similarly lukewarm response to the Sharks talent pool on my last trip, I have concluded that this place is simply not my cup of tea. It remains difficult for me to understand the widespread preference for Sharks, beyond the greater size of its lineup but quantity does not necessarily yield quality.
Pre-pandemic Oase, as I found on my last trip, illustrated the point that quality trumps quantity. I had found the relatively small but high-quality talent pool at Oase quite impressive, even though it was not a close fit for my personal taste. Unfortunately, it would appear that the disruption and recent resumption of its operations has had a more severe impact on its lower-quantity but high-quality business model. Oase on a Tuesday night yielded the worst FKK visit of this trip. The lineup was small and the male-female ratio was unfavorable; guys were waiting around for girls to come out of their sessions and grab them immediately before another guy grabbed them. I suspect that this dynamic may have been responsible for the mediocre service here. My first pull, a petite, slender, and dark Romanian with large fake tits, was a total dud, who was both in a rush and seemed to lack sexual skills. Somewhat better but not great was a tall, thick Romanian with large natural tits and ass who provided my second session and allowed titfucking at no extra cost. She did not speak English, and I do not speak German, but she did speak Spanish, perhaps because she lived there before or because of its similarity to Romanian. I wonder if Spanish or French would be of any use with other Romanians that do not speak English that I might find in other, less international FKKs in other parts of Germany on future trips. I hoped the third time would be a charm, but I also struck out with a weak performance from a very polished Iranian girl with short hair and a you. K. Accent who talked a good game but did not deliver well.
The situation improved with my Wednesday afternoon / evening visit to Samya in Cologne. As on my last trip, the lineup here was a better fit for my taste than much of the Frankfurt area lineups, with more tits and ass, perhaps due to the tastes of the heavily Turkish customer base there. My first room was with a raven-haired but very light-skinned tall Romanian with a slender build but an amazing ass who delivered quality service both physically and in her GFE attitude. Also fulfilling in purely physical terms, but less endearing with her mercenary attitude, was an extremely busty Romanian with excellent head game who grudgingly agreed to include titfucking in the session at no extra cost.
I returned to Palace on Thursday night to give it a second chance to provide a bigger lineup, and it did not disappoint. My sessions included an impressive performance by a voluptuous light-skinned blonde Romanian and a repeat session with a tall, thick Ukrainian with big natural tits and ass with whom I had a session on my last trip. I spent Friday afternoon and evening at Mainhattan again, but the lineup was notably smaller and less impressive than it had been the previous Saturday. My satisfying sessions there included two Romanians, one of which was a petite fake blonde with a deep tan, a surprisingly nice ass, and strong oral skills. Having exhausted the Mainhattan lineup, I choose to spend my long layover night (a Saturday) on the way back from DBV at Palace, where my sessions were with: the above-mentioned Ukrainian again; a voluptuous Romanian MILF with strong oral skills who agreed to titfucking at no extra cost; and a petite Bulgarian who was just average in appearance but had a strong seductive demeanor and delivered accordingly in the room.
I will return to German FKKs in the future, but with a different itinerary. I have come to the realization that a week in and around Frankfurt is too long of a trip, especially now that: a) I have confirmed my initial preference for Palace and Mainhattan over the more popular Sharks and Oase, which I will probably skip in the future; and b) I have exhausted the list of non-mongering things that I want to see and do in and around Frankfurt between FKK visits. Frankfurt would probably be better for: a long weekend, if that were a feasible option for a Miami resident (9 hours is a long flight for a long weekend); or for long layovers on the way to or from other destinations in Germany, Europe, or elsewhere in the Old World, as I did on the way back from DBV. I also hope to explore other parts of Germany, such as Hamburg and Bavaria, for non-mongering reasons, and would like to visit their local FKKs as well. After my first trip, I had hoped to explore the different FKK scene of North Rhine-Westphalia beyond Samya on a future trip, in the interest of broadening my horizons beyond the usual focus on the Frankfurt area. I decided not to pursue that option this time, as I figured that the smaller FKKs there would need more time to recover from the disruption of their business. In retrospect, I think that the FKKs in general, including those in and around Frankfurt, need more time to recover before I invest the time, effort, and money in returning there all the way from Miami.
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Better to choose good days to have good experience in clubs. Sharks on Monday now and Oase on Tuesday is mistake, with small casting when girls have to pay entry but almost no business. Not same business than before covid, just have to be able to adapt.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2607999]Better to choose good days to have good experience in clubs. Sharks on Monday now and Oase on Tuesday is mistake, with small casting when girls have to pay entry but almost no business. Not same business than before covid, just have to be able to adapt.[/QUOTE]What other FKKs should I have chosen for a Monday or Tuesday night? Would Palace or Mainhattan have been any better? World? Atlanta? Rom?
There was no shortage of customers at Oase that Tuesday night; indeed, that might have been the real problem, rather than the small lineup. There were too many guys, so perhaps the small lineup of girls was overworked. The small but good-looking lineup did not limit my choices so much; there were at least three that I found attractive enough for rooms, and perhaps I could have tried more if I had not concluded that I was not going to get good service at that sausage party.
There was no shortage of girls at Sharks that Monday night either; it is just that whoever does the casting at Sharks is a bad fit for my personal taste. That was true in 2019 and it was true again in 2021. Many of those that did suit my taste, however, had bad attitudes, like the busty blonde Serbian that took offense because I did not offer her champagne.
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[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2608086]What other FKKs should I have chosen for a Monday or Tuesday night? Would Palace or Mainhattan have been any better? World? Atlanta? Rom?
There was no shortage of customers at Oase that Tuesday night; indeed, that might have been the real problem, rather than the small lineup. There were too many guys, so perhaps the small lineup of girls was overworked. The small but good-looking lineup did not limit my choices so much; there were at least three that I found attractive enough for rooms, and perhaps I could have tried more if I had not concluded that I was not going to get good service at that sausage party.
There was no shortage of girls at Sharks that Monday night either; it is just that whoever does the casting at Sharks is a bad fit for my personal taste. That was true in 2019 and it was true again in 2021. Many of those that did suit my taste, however, had bad attitudes, like the busty blonde Serbian that took offense because I did not offer her champagne.[/QUOTE]We may not have same tastes, I run away from silicon and fat ass, I couldn't find a girl at Mainhattan on Saturday 18 September from noon to 8.30 pm. But best days at Sharks are now from Friday to sometimes Sunday, others are only average casting. At Oase, from Thursday to Saturday. Good if You enjoyed at Palace, I like Palace high level. From the day You choose, You can experience very different. Not much to expect on Monday and Tuesday if You don t know girls You want are working. Was your Croatian with red boots sitting on German table? Vulgarity from Bruggen, really not needed at Sharks. Also Kaira also with silicon and usually kind of black one piece to hide belly.
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Social Democrats
Hey guys do you think a left of center government will have any impact on our hobby?
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2608949]Hey guys do you think a left of center government will have any impact on our hobby?[/QUOTE]It is a very romantic question. I like posters who still believe in good old democracy.
From my perspective, and nowadays I am more like a old left hippie punk, non of the 4 parties who could be part of an upcoming German government are politically "left of center."
CDU, FDP and SPD are definitely on the right side of the center. Their politically game and aim is always the same still I can think: Make the rich richer and make the poor become more. CDU and FDP are bit more open, clear and honest about it, SPD is trying to hide this politic a bit more from the voters. Even the Green and their "we will rescue our planet" politic are fully aware of, that they votes are mainly coming from people who don't have to worry about money at the end of the month.
These 4 parties are lobbyists of rich capitalist, not really "left of center."
Three options are still in the race. A Coalition of SPD, Green and FDP (highest chance, I guess) SPD and CDU (second best chance) and CDU, Green and FDP (lowest possibility) The political poker show is still going on, boring.
Impact on our hobby?
I am very bad when it comes to looking into the future. I prefer to look back, there I can see more. Just look at Corona BS and what the current government (CDU and SPD) did. German prostitution system is close to collapse, because I can't be a legal customer anymore. How should some of the hookers survive now?
SPD is very strict when it comes to Corona rules. It is the partie of the old people, old people are still in big danger (even if they are vaccinated), the old people need extra protection. SPD prefers the 2 G rule (vaxxed or recovered) for (example) restaurants, bars and clubs. 2 G means less customers than 3 G. I doubt that sex clubs are happy with less customers.
The Greens are wearing helmet while driving e-bikes. But not because the bikes are too fast, no, because usually they don't have driving license and don't know some basic traffic rules and people who don't know some basic traffic rules are usually what, when they don't "stay at home" ? Right, they are in very big danger. If you are in Germany and you see someone with a FFP2 mask while driving bicycle all by himself, then it is 9 out of 10 times a cop or a cop who is voting for the Greens.
The Greens don't like unvaxxed people, because the Unvaxxed don't show enough hipster solidarity with the pharmaceutical mafia. Agenda sh*t. How should the clubs open when Germany is having a climate Lockdown? You know how much energy clubs like Samya, Sharks or big Artemis are needing? If you ask the Green they would give you the answer, "way to much." I guess the clubs need to become more "green" to stay "relevant" for the moving system.
FDP is selling vaccine, but they are also playing the smooth corona deniers, some opposition. While the other parties are talking about how dangerous little Virus is, FDP is talking about the importance of human basic rights. Maybe it helps, but the Agenda is obviously too powerful.
All in all I would say, the impact from the upcoming government on your hobby won't be that big. Higher prices, lower service, maybe a bit cold and dark in winter, higher prices and you only meet very nice vaccinated people or people with a vaccine ID made in Romania.
Everybody I know is still hating. Make rough love to the local German government!
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Partytreff Link Dead?
I tried to go to the Partytreff forum just to read what's been going on, or, even if there are any PTs left. The link was dead. Is it just me or has it been taken down? Thanks!
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[QUOTE=Max#01;2617635]I tried to go to the Partytreff forum just to read what's been going on, or, even if there are any PTs left. The link was dead. Is it just me or has it been taken down? Thanks![/QUOTE]Works fine for me.
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Funny reading from a long time claimed specialist telling about Sharks example, some girls don t give same to all of us and for same rate. I could add not only at Sharks and quite normal girls behave from what we are. Remind me about fat old uglies going to cry on Bruggen desk about girls who couldn't get in their throat ugly guys tongue tasting beer. Money paid buy time and if we chose extras, but then we have to deserve to receive. I'm even 99% sure girls don t behave same with all of us even in rules clubs like Globe, when was also not at GT or LR.
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Almost everything wrong
[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2611945]It is a very romantic question. I like posters who still believe in good old democracy.
From my perspective, and nowadays I am more like a old left hippie punk, non of the 4 parties who could be part of an upcoming German government are politically "left of center."
CDU, FDP and SPD are definitely on the right side of the center. Their politically game and aim is always the same still I can think: Make the rich richer and make the poor become more. CDU and FDP are bit more open, clear and honest about it, SPD is trying to hide this politic a bit more from the voters. Even the Green and their "we will rescue our planet" politic are fully aware of, that they votes are mainly coming from people who don't have to worry about money at the end of the month.
These 4 parties are lobbyists of rich capitalist, not really "left of center."
Three options are still in the race. A Coalition of SPD, Green and FDP (highest chance, I guess) SPD and CDU (second best chance) and CDU, Green and FDP (lowest possibility) The political poker show is still going on, boring.
Impact on our hobby?
I am very bad when it comes to looking into the future. I prefer to look back, there I can see more. Just look at Corona BS and what the current government (CDU and SPD) did. German prostitution system is close to collapse, because I can't be a legal customer anymore. How should some of the hookers survive now?
SPD is very strict when it comes to Corona rules. It is the partie of the old people, old people are still in big danger (even if they are vaccinated), the old people need extra protection. SPD prefers the 2 G rule (vaxxed or recovered) for (example) restaurants, bars and clubs. 2 G means less customers than 3 G. I doubt that sex clubs are happy with less customers.
The Greens are wearing helmet while driving e-bikes. But not because the bikes are too fast, no, because usually they don't have driving license and don't know some basic traffic rules and people who don't know some basic traffic rules are usually what, when they don't "stay at home" ? Right, they are in very big danger. If you are in Germany and you see someone with a FFP2 mask while driving bicycle all by himself, then it is 9 out of 10 times a cop or a cop who is voting for the Greens.
The Greens don't like unvaxxed people, because the Unvaxxed don't show enough hipster solidarity with the pharmaceutical mafia. Agenda sh*t. How should the clubs open when Germany is having a climate Lockdown? You know how much energy clubs like Samya, Sharks or big Artemis are needing? If you ask the Green they would give you the answer, "way to much." I guess the clubs need to become more "green" to stay "relevant" for the moving system.
FDP is selling vaccine, but they are also playing the smooth corona deniers, some opposition. While the other parties are talking about how dangerous little Virus is, FDP is talking about the importance of human basic rights. Maybe it helps, but the Agenda is obviously too powerful.
All in all I would say, the impact from the upcoming government on your hobby won't be that big. Higher prices, lower service, maybe a bit cold and dark in winter, higher prices and you only meet very nice vaccinated people or people with a vaccine ID made in Romania.
Everybody I know is still hating. Make rough love to the local German government![/QUOTE]What a load of BS!
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Politics of prostitution
[QUOTE=Turgid;2608949]Hey guys do you think a left of center government will have any impact on our hobby?[/QUOTE]It's hard to say. It is now almost clear that the new government will be SPD (social democrats), Greens, and FDP (libertarian, I. E. Financially / economically on the right in US terms but socially on the left). It was the SPD / Green government which made prostitution more legal than it was, and the SPD / CDU (Christian Democrats) government which introduced the "new law". 10 years ago, I would have been sure that the new government would liberalize prostitution even more. But it's hard to say. While not anything near as much as in the States, left-of-centre parties (which they all are, though one could argue that the FDP is right of centre economically / financially) have been affected by wokism recently. So it's hard to say. But I'm pretty sure that it won't get worse. Maybe it will get better.
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[QUOTE=SvenFKK;2624878]It's hard to say. It is now almost clear that the new government will be SPD (social democrats), Greens, and FDP (libertarian, I. E. Financially / economically on the right in US terms but socially on the left). It was the SPD / Green government which made prostitution more legal than it was, and the SPD / CDU (Christian Democrats) government which introduced the "new law". 10 years ago, I would have been sure that the new government would liberalize prostitution even more. But it's hard to say. While not anything near as much as in the States, left-of-centre parties (which they all are, though one could argue that the FDP is right of centre economically / financially) have been affected by wokism recently. So it's hard to say. But I'm pretty sure that it won't get worse. Maybe it will get better.[/QUOTE]Good point is prostitution is very cultural in Germany, same like in NL or Spain, when tight ass politics in France and land of hypocrisy in porn valley US. But really exploding cases and some hospitals are a bit worrying, when I experienced first minus zero real Winter night in south Darmstadt, when Hamburg, Berlin and ex DDR are colder. Already 2 G in some parts.
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After Saxe, Bavaria and Saarland, NRW may close soon? What about Hessen? For other sport, Bundesliga, empty stadiums. Look like 1 year ago, despite vaccine since beginning of the year. May have to return to Switzerland.
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NL lockdown
6 sens nearly in Aachen is now closed under new NL lockdown until at least 14 January. Some Bruggen girls worked there, not the most attractive at 6 for me. Even midnight when normal is too early for me, but a good club with nice staff and my friend cooker from Bruggen. When I most often left full heavy balls before covid, but had 3 really good visits with 4 100/60 rooms on best of Globe level for GFE and little sweet mum, or elegant are prettier than at Globe. When I don't think I will ever see YY reopening, but 6 staff make really good job and even not many attractive looks for me, but they are really good GFE level. I wish good luck to 6 staff, I know they are used to closing / reopening. Same like for Sharks, improvement compare to my visits before covid.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2633076]What about Hessen? ... Look like 1 year ago, despite vaccine since beginning of the year....[/QUOTE]I heard ordinary dance clubs (disco) are closed, expect they are offering food, then they could still be open. But dancing is illegal! Love clubs should be next on the list.
You are right, same shitty show like last year. Time to bring it to the streets.
Don't be scared.
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[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2640636]I heard ordinary dance clubs (disco) are closed, expect they are offering food, then they could still be open. But dancing is illegal! Love clubs should be next on the list.
You are right, same shitty show like last year. Time to bring it to the streets.
Don't be scared.[/QUOTE]Good idea. Go protest because the fuck clubs are closed. I'm sure that the governments will really care.
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[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2640636]I heard ordinary dance clubs (disco) are closed, expect they are offering food, then they could still be open. But dancing is illegal! Love clubs should be next on the list.
You are right, same shitty show like last year. Time to bring it to the streets.
Don't be scared.[/QUOTE]At the moment, brothels remain open in NRW and Hessen, under 2 G+. Maybe also in Saarland. But not best moment for good casting until end of January.
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According to this website: [URL]https://www.exberliner.com/features/politics/2g-in-berlin-what-to-know/[/URL].
December 16 update: 2 G+ tests no longer required after booster shot.
In the latest effort to incentivise top-up vaccinations, people who have received their Covid-19 booster shots are no longer obliged to present a negative test when entering 2 G+ venues. The test requirement will be dropped 15 days after the booster was administered. One exception remains: those entering care homes, hospitals and other medical facilities must show a negative test, boostered or not.
Anyone cares to confirm that?
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No issue anywhere with CDC paper card stapled into my passport.
[QUOTE=Sportsman;2641953]According to this website: [URL]https://www.exberliner.com/features/politics/2g-in-berlin-what-to-know/[/URL].
December 16 update: 2 G+ tests no longer required after booster shot.
In the latest effort to incentivize top-up vaccinations, people who have received their Covid-19 booster shots are no longer obliged to present a negative test when entering 2 G+ venues. The test requirement will be dropped 15 days after the booster was administered. One exception remains: those entering care homes, hospitals and other medical facilities must show a negative test, boostered or not.
Anyone cares to confirm that?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2641970]No issue anywhere with CDC paper card stapled into my passport.[/QUOTE]It appears this was Pfizers plan all along as the CDC card coincidentally has a spot for a third dose. Even before a third dose was required!
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Moldavians vs Romanians
When Iasie is in Moldavian part of Romania and many Romanians claim to be Moldavian, but then they should know at least about Chisinau, Rischnau. Blond Ivana ex GT Bruggen is not Moldavian, nor Russian she claimed to be when she started at GT coming from Stuttgart, but Romanian I was told by theke who asked me about her when she just arrived. I answered she couldn t speak Russian and never repeated even she was friendly but not GFE. Never saw any real Russian or even Ukrainian not speaking Russian. I remember blond half German half Russian Linda at GT, no wow in bed but we spoke good in Russian, or super sweet GFE very pretty blond half German half Ukrainian Fabienne at YY also speaking Russian. Maybe because Republic of Moldavia can compete with Bulgaria and Ukraine under Putin, for more poor than Romania, but when real Russians and Ukrainians can t work in Germany, but Moldavians can and are less expensive than some less pretty Romanians at Sharks, 100/60 for my experiences, for highest GFE level there with natural beauties, when I would choose one among Globe casting when no elegance like her there.
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[QUOTE=DrPoon;2642005]It appears this was Pfizers plan all along as the CDC card coincidentally has a spot for a third dose. Even before a third dose was required![/QUOTE]Given that COVID-19 is a work in progress, and given that boosters are not at all surprising when dealing with antiviral vaccines, it would have been stupid to not have included space for further shots based on new developments.
But conspiracy nuts will see conspiracies wherever they look. Sorry to be harsh, but the virus is still real, people are still dying in huge numbers, and it's still the unvaccinated doing most of the dying.
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[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2649973]Given that COVID-19 is a work in progress, and given that boosters are not at all surprising when dealing with antiviral vaccines, it would have been stupid to not have included space for further shots based on new developments.
But conspiracy nuts will see conspiracies wherever they look. Sorry to be harsh, but the virus is still real, people are still dying in huge numbers, and it's still the unvaccinated doing most of the dying.[/QUOTE]Half Europeans should catch covid in 2 next months. Peak for highest cases rate is not yet when around 500000 new cases yesterday in France with 339 deaths. 379 deaths yesterday in UK with crazy Johnson caught partying twice. 2650 known deaths in US. Omicron is now more than 80% new cases and third dose after only 3 months and vaccine for more than 6 yo, under Omicron spreading.
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6 sens NL Aachen. De is reopening, but unfortunately closing too early for me.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2651114]6 sens NL Aachen. De is reopening, but unfortunately closing too early for me.[/QUOTE]Now opening until 10 pm and HH is back. When some will be back, I wish for same level than on 2021 with some more attractive than at Globe. 100/60 on 2021, now 60/30 or 110/60, same than Bab Elsdorf.
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If you have pass with booster working in EU, you don't need test for most NRW clubs at the moment. Most interesting for me at the moment is Gold with entry 25 and had a GFE Globe level room for 80/60 with a more elegant than at Globe and no silicon. Hessen and even World still closed at the moment. Switzerland is open. Also 6 sens NL but not A team yet when lockdown is now finished in NL.
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Which Globe girls are you talking about?
Do you mind to share her name?
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2657618]If you have pass with booster working in EU, you don't need test for most NRW clubs at the moment. Most interesting for me at the moment is Gold with entry 25 and had a GFE Globe level room for 80/60 with a more elegant than at Globe and no silicon. Hessen and even World still closed at the moment. Switzerland is open. Also 6 sens NL but not A team yet when lockdown is now finished in NL.[/QUOTE]
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Gold Ratingen
[QUOTE=UssbTravel;2657977]Do you mind to share her name?[/QUOTE]I wrote I had at Gold Ratingen, my fifth NRW club on my week end, a girl, I should say a woman when she is 40, more elegant, with prettier face and on top of GFE level compare to Globe, for 80 € for 1 hour. My first ever 40 yo woman when my girlfriend couldn't reach, but it just confirmed me women are more interesting than little girls or prostitute image or behavior. When I never noticed her before but except on Summer 2019, I was not a very regular, but I would be happy to repeat when she is much more difficult to make cum than younger. My best on my 5 NRW clubs tour when I didn't find any attractive in 4 first clubs. Far higher level than very pretty model type Eli. Ro also at Gold.
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Vaccination?
I have been reading tons about how Germany is no longer considering the J&J vaccine a full vaccine fully vaccinated.
I have had the Jessen *J&J* as well as a booter. (2 total shots). What do I need to do to visit there in April? Do I need to start another round with another vaccine?
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[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2658182]I have been reading tons about how Germany is no longer considering the J&J vaccine a full vaccine fully vaccinated.
I have had the Jessen *J&J* as well as a booter. (2 total shots). What do I need to do to visit there in April? Do I need to start another round with another vaccine?[/QUOTE]You are like me, You are the best for whole NRW if You have ARN booster. Third dose would kill me, no more, it was just for my freedom. Now I wait to see on intense violent effort for hours under high heat, to know if they killed me.
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[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2658182]I have been reading tons about how Germany is no longer considering the J&J vaccine a full vaccine fully vaccinated.
I have had the Jessen *J&J* as well as a booter. (2 total shots). What do I need to do to visit there in April? Do I need to start another round with another vaccine?[/QUOTE]Did you get a J&J boost after your first J&J then? I would prefer not to get a J&J boost because I had wicked Tinnitus from the first J&J. Novavax just submitted their app to the CDC yesterday, so I'm waiting to see what happens with that. Pretty sure DE will accept Novavax booster because Novavax is already approved in DE. Looking forward to recuperating from the booster in FKK LOL.
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[QUOTE=Clodius1;2658255]Did you get a J&J boost after your first J&J then? I would prefer not to get a J&J boost because I had wicked Tinnitus from the first J&J. Novavax just submitted their app to the CDC yesterday, so I'm waiting to see what happens with that. Pretty sure DE will accept Novavax booster because Novavax is already approved in DE. Looking forward to recuperating from the booster in FKK LOL.[/QUOTE]I actually got the Moderna Booster. The plan is to go back and try to get shots 1 and 2 of Moderna as well before April if possible.
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[QUOTE=Clodius1;2658255]Did you get a J&J boost after your first J&J then? I would prefer not to get a J&J boost because I had wicked Tinnitus from the first J&J. Novavax just submitted their app to the CDC yesterday, so I'm waiting to see what happens with that. Pretty sure DE will accept Novavax booster because Novavax is already approved in DE. Looking forward to recuperating from the booster in FKK LOL.[/QUOTE]At the moment, booster have to be ARN. 1 JJ + 1 ARN make EU valid pass. Until next dose when high spreading, still many deaths. Kitten Omicron from US or Japan, but US which are down under with so many deaths, again more than 3500 known yesterday, think now to vaccine 6 months old babies. Is it just to make Pfizer business or because Omicron kill too many US? When just arithmetic's and probability high spreading kill many. More than 1100 deaths yesterday in UK. Usually around 200 daily in Germany. More than 300 in France. At least our medical still think Omicron is very dangerous and killer.
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[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2658326]I actually got the Moderna Booster. The plan is to go back and try to get shots 1 and 2 of Moderna as well before April if possible.[/QUOTE]1 JJ and 1 Moderna booster which made me sick is Ok. I enter everywhere in NRW without test, even if I m positive, when I won t test daily like some in France. Only 6 sens NL on border take your temperature.
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[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2658182]I have been reading tons about how Germany is no longer considering the J&J vaccine a full vaccine fully vaccinated.
I have had the Jessen *J&J* as well as a booter. (2 total shots). What do I need to do to visit there in April? Do I need to start another round with another vaccine?[/QUOTE]Sounds like by April, you're good to go regardless of vax status.
[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/germany-plans-end-of-covid-restrictions/a-60800111[/URL]
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Jean Luc be. Suicide
Jeffrey E. 's friend in France, Jean Luc. Be. Recently allegedly committed suicide and also Prince A. Paid what is estimated by the Times to be 12 million pounds to settle his civil case.
Supposedly the money comes from selling his Verbier property and some chipped in by Queen E who is basically a super rich landlord as she is the owner of the Duchy of Lancaster which collected 20 million pounds from rental properties per year.
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[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2665182]Sounds like by April, you're good to go regardless of vax status.
[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/germany-plans-end-of-covid-restrictions/a-60800111[/URL][/QUOTE]The only thing that stops transmission is masks and distancing and capacity controls so the vaccine is really useless anyway.
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[QUOTE=DrPoon;2665425]The only thing that stops transmission is masks and distancing and capacity controls so the vaccine is really useless anyway.[/QUOTE]So you're saying abstinence is the best policy? Hah.
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[QUOTE=DrPoon;2665425]The only thing that stops transmission is masks and distancing and capacity controls so the vaccine is really useless anyway.[/QUOTE]Stop passing false information that kills. The unvaccinated are doing 90%+ of the dying. The vaccinated are rarely hospitalized, and almost never die.
Of course the vaccine is useful.
(In addition, the vaccine prevents transmission by preventing people from becoming infected in the first place.).
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[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2666610]Stop passing false information that kills. The unvaccinated are doing 90%+ of the dying. The vaccinated are rarely hospitalized, and almost never die.
Of course the vaccine is useful.
(In addition, the vaccine prevents transmission by preventing people from becoming infected in the first place.).[/QUOTE]How about taking the endless debates about Covid and vaccines to Coronavirus forum? These debates have become very tiresome after nearly two years, and the very last place to seek info about those topics is the monger forum.
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[QUOTE=Ctytek;2666842]How about taking the endless debates about Covid and vaccines to Coronavirus forum? These debates have become very tiresome after nearly two years, and the very last place to seek info about those topics is the monger forum.[/QUOTE]I didn't initiate this, and I agree it doesn't belong here, but deadly lies cannot be left unchallenged.
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My neighbour, over 60 yo, 1, 2, 3 jabs, boostered had covid with quite heavy symptoms lately.
He is so happy to still be alive, the booster made him survive.
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[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2667614]My neighbour, over 60 yo, 1, 2, 3 jabs, boostered had covid with quite heavy symptoms lately.
He is so happy to still be alive, the booster made him survive.[/QUOTE]Yes vaccine saved millions lives, but didn't stop spreading, Omicron still killing too many on 2022. Putin should shoot Omicron rather than poor Ukrainians.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2667714]Yes vaccine saved millions lives, but didn't stop spreading, Omicron still killing too many on 2022. Putin should shoot Omicron rather than poor Ukrainians.[/QUOTE]The UN estimates 5 million people will try to flee.
I predict an quick end once the spetznatz team kills President Z.
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Need Advice
OK if I ask for advice on FKKs and not Covid? .
Travelling from OZ to Germany for a trade show in Dortmund early April. Advice please on best location to enjoy 1 day and couple afts / nts in FKK and travel to / fro Dortmund on train.
Would Duisburg, Dusseldorf or Cologne offer best access to best FKK Clubs in close proximity? I seriously have no idea on that area.
Will be heading to Sharks and Oase after show before dep Frankfurt. Thanks in advance for advice?
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Ukriane News
Germany is reported to give 1,000 anti tank and 500 surface to air missles, delivered by UK to Ukraine.
Instagram is reportedly under attack by Russia and Ukrainian girls have not been posting pics and not earning any ad revenue.
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[QUOTE=DrPoon;2668101]Instagram is reportedly under attack by Russia and Ukrainian girls have not been posting pics and not earning any ad revenue.[/QUOTE]Hmm, what are you trying to say? LOL.
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[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2667834]OK if I ask for advice on FKKs and not Covid? .
Travelling from OZ to Germany for a trade show in Dortmund early April. Advice please on best location to enjoy 1 day and couple afts / nts in FKK and travel to / fro Dortmund on train.
Would Duisburg, Dusseldorf or Cologne offer best access to best FKK Clubs in close proximity? I seriously have no idea on that area.
Will be heading to Sharks and Oase after show before dep Frankfurt. Thanks in advance for advice?[/QUOTE]I would advice Aca Gold and Penelope around Dusseldorf.
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Yesterday, when was told my 40 yo great woman was not working, changed direction from theüsseldorf to Frankfurt. Just entering Sharks, a girl told me: why do you write on me I m degraded, when I never used these words about her. Interesting, when girls read us, at least me, at Sharks, Globe, before at GT and LR, how they project their self image problems, even changing meaning of our words. Remind me Kate just arrived at Bruggen on 2017, when I joked: now you are 25, you are too old. Bad joke making her mad, I never saw her like this since 2 years we met. Like if my words deeply touch some girls, when they should better not read us if they have self image problems. Even she really didn't need, but I remember Kate needing to change on her body.
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[QUOTE=DrPoon;2668101]Germany is reported to give 1,000 anti tank and 500 surface to air missles, delivered by UK to Ukraine.....[/QUOTE]If that is so they will end up in Russian hands.
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Dortmund is pretty far
[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2667834]OK if I ask for advice on FKKs and not Covid? .
Travelling from OZ to Germany for a trade show in Dortmund early April. Advice please on best location to enjoy 1 day and couple afts / nts in FKK and travel to / fro Dortmund on train.
Would Duisburg, Dusseldorf or Cologne offer best access to best FKK Clubs in close proximity? I seriously have no idea on that area.
Will be heading to Sharks and Oase after show before dep Frankfurt. Thanks in advance for advice?[/QUOTE]Cologne and Dusseldorf to Dortmund will both take you an hour to travel by car if there's little traffic. Well over an hour by train and likely closer to 2 hours with wait times and walk time. Duisburg is a little closer but will still result in 1 hour commute times each way and likely even longer.
Staying in those areas and commuting to Dortmund will take 3 hours out of your day, likely even longer.
Penelope is a cheap club located much closer to Dortmund. It's not Sharks or Oase but it's the biggest club near Dortmund offering 15-20 girls on the slow times and 40-50 girls on busy weekend nights. No frills club with basic food, amenities, and cheap construction. Average girl is a probably a six. Top 2-3 girls could / would be popular at Sharks. Most girls are not GFE providers but you can find a few. Club rate is 40 e per half but some girls will try to charge 50 e or more for anything other than 15 minute CBJ fuckhole service. Prime hours are 3 pm to 9 pm, later on weekends.
Acapulco Gold in Ratingen outside of Dusseldorf is the next closest club worth visiting. Basically the same situation / style as Penelope. Cheap club, acceptable line up.
A little further into Dusseldorf is Oceans where you can find good optics late at night. Venue is comparable to Sharks but you will likely be charged a heavy room rate.
Considering your need to be in Dortmund, I don't see visiting Cologne clubs being worth the time and effort since you will be headed to Frankfurt anyway.
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Newbie! What clubs are good right now?
I've only ever been to Goldentime Vienna around 2016! And now I'm ready to go again. What clubs are good right now. I heard Covid changed a lot! Lineup and options is everything to me! What clubs anywhere is actually good right now!
Thank you so much from a newbie!
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2668429]If that is so they will end up in Russian hands.[/QUOTE]Ukraine is now advertising for foreigners to join its army. Besides giving free instructions to make Molotov cocktails, your local Ukrainian Embassy will fly you in to Poland and arrange a pick up to join.
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Some people are fine with far
Like for me, far is the distance from my pelvis to my cockhead.
Most girls also do love far.
But I am aware of some posters here on the board that are scared of far.
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Not me!
[QUOTE=Turgid;2668826]They will get many foreign men including posters on this board if they offer free Ukrainian stunners to keep you company at nights.[/QUOTE]Not this foreign man. Not about to get my nuts blown off over some pussy.
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[QUOTE=SuperStuder;2668457]I've only ever been to Goldentime Vienna around 2016! And now I'm ready to go again. What clubs are good right now. I heard Covid changed a lot! Lineup and options is everything to me! What clubs anywhere is actually good right now!
Thank you so much from a newbie![/QUOTE]Sixsens NL close to Aachen, Acapulco Gold close to Dusseldorf airport.
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Munster, Dusseldorf, Cologne recommendation
Hello,
I am planning to split time between Munster (NRW), Dusseldorf, and Cologne. I spend some time on my last visit, in December '21, at Oceans. I will be staying close to the Hauptbahnoff's during my stay in these cities. Any recommendations? I am seeing positive comments on Aca Gold. Thanks much!
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[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2667834]OK if I ask for advice on FKKs and not Covid? .
Travelling from OZ to Germany for a trade show in Dortmund early April. Advice please on best location to enjoy 1 day and couple afts / nts in FKK and travel to / fro Dortmund on train.
Would Duisburg, Dusseldorf or Cologne offer best access to best FKK Clubs in close proximity? I seriously have no idea on that area.
Will be heading to Sharks and Oase after show before dep Frankfurt. Thanks in advance for advice?[/QUOTE]Might want to do a search for "freudenhaus" on this site, and elsewhere. They have a location in Dortmund. Never been; just been doing research, and it was listed. Good luck, and wherever you go. Please post a review!
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[QUOTE=BaloneyPony;2669106]Might want to do a search for "freudenhaus" on this site, and elsewhere. They have a location in Dortmund. Never been; just been doing research, and it was listed. Good luck, and wherever you go. Please post a review![/QUOTE]Thanks BP. Have settled on Dusseldorf and train to Dortmund. Only 2 day trade show so I can live with train travel. Have basically 1 full day on arr so Oceans may get the nod. Then 2 nts so up in the air where to attack then. After Dusseldorf 1 full day in Sharks and then 1 full day in Oase then backk to OZ. YES I will post info on ALL clubs as I find them. Thanks to all for your valuable input.
For occasional visitors like myself who travel from other side of the world it is so important to get accurate up to date info on clubs rather than be continually re-reading anecdotal historical reports. The good ol' days are way gone but we still got to make hay if the sun is shining.
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[QUOTE=PlateauPunter;2669008]Hello,
I am planning to split time between Munster (NRW), Dusseldorf, and Cologne. I spend some time on my last visit, in December '21, at Oceans. I will be staying close to the Hauptbahnoff's during my stay in these cities. Any recommendations? I am seeing positive comments on Aca Gold. Thanks much![/QUOTE]At Oceans you find stunners. At Aca Gold you find more leftovers. It's pure accidental luck if you find a hottie there.
At least pre pandemic.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2669371]At Oceans you find stunners. At Aca Gold you find more leftovers. It's pure accidental luck if you find a hottie there.
At least pre pandemic.[/QUOTE]Things changed under covid. Gold and Penelope may be higher level now than Prime. I think GT Oceans casting is now lower than Oceans before. Palace and Oase fell under no business there as say girls leaving. Even Sharks is not at best since reopening on 2022. Best looks are at 6 for me.
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If cost doesn't matter, what's the best GFE club? I keep seeing Sharks and Six Sens? Anything else?
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[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2669330]Thanks BP. Have settled on Dusseldorf and train to Dortmund. Only 2 day trade show so I can live with train travel. Have basically 1 full day on arr so Oceans may get the nod. Then 2 nts so up in the air where to attack then. After Dusseldorf 1 full day in Sharks and then 1 full day in Oase then backk to OZ. YES I will post info on ALL clubs as I find them. Thanks to all for your valuable input.
For occasional visitors like myself who travel from other side of the world it is so important to get accurate up to date info on clubs rather than be continually re-reading anecdotal historical reports. The good ol' days are way gone but we still got to make hay if the sun is shining.[/QUOTE]I'm probably heading to Frankfurt and probably Dusseldorf in May so I'll be looking for your reports Billy. I'll be traveling from USA. I had many good times at Oase especially but maybe those days are gone?
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Things are changing daily.
[QUOTE=Beagleface;2672217]I'm probably heading to Frankfurt and probably Dusseldorf in May so I'll be looking for your reports Billy. I'll be traveling from USA. I had many good times at Oase especially but maybe those days are gone?[/QUOTE]So I see a lot of us asking the same question (s) over and over. Which club. As Covid is now just starting to ease up and the girls are also just starting to return, I don't think we'll have any accurate info for the next month. I've read a few reports on other German language boards of guys saying their favorites have switched clubs but girls seem to be coming back. Remember also we are coming up on Easter when traditioinally a lot of the Romanian girls head home (maybe they will maybe they won't as they haven't had any income in 2 years).
I noticed on a couple of the well known escort sites that 50-70% of the ladies have not posted new hours since 2019 and have "not reachable" on their pages. Every day one or two seem to be back. So. Stay tuned. Ha ha.
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Romanian Girls
I was just watching the news here in the USA about the refugee center set up in Bucharest. There will never be more beautiful Romanian women than the volunteers in the shelter.
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[QUOTE=Max#01;2672857]I was just watching the news here in the USA about the refugee center set up in Bucharest. There will never be more beautiful Romanian women than the volunteers in the shelter.[/QUOTE]The USA should absolutely send a fleet of 747's to Romania and Poland and pick up the Ukrainian women ASAP.
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Since covid, girls speak more German and less English.
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Information for Girls Who Work in the European Sex Industry
I've come across a young lady on Reddit in the sex worker subreddit who posted that she moved to the Netherlands and is getting into sex work now that she had gotten her NL identity card. I offered to take a conversation off-line into chat I didn't want to come across as a stalker or other type of strange guy, so I didn't ask questions about her nationality, age, looks or what kind of sex work she was doing or wanted to do. I assumed she was living in Amsterdam, but didn't ask her that question either. She hasn't asked for money, which would cause me to break off the conversation. I did ask her if she had an EU work permit which would significantly increase her work choices. I mentioned FKKs in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and sex work in Spain.
I left it with her this morning that I really didn't know pros & cons for the girls in terms of the different work options and that I would try to find out. If anyone has any suggestions for sex worker websites for Europe, I know she would be appreciative. Thanks!
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[QUOTE=Max#01;2680157]I've come across a young lady on Reddit in the sex worker subreddit who posted that she moved to the Netherlands and is getting into sex work now that she had gotten her NL identity card. I offered to take a conversation off-line into chat I didn't want to come across as a stalker or other type of strange guy, so I didn't ask questions about her nationality, age, looks or what kind of sex work she was doing or wanted to do. I assumed she was living in Amsterdam, but didn't ask her that question either. She hasn't asked for money, which would cause me to break off the conversation. I did ask her if she had an EU work permit which would significantly increase her work choices. I mentioned FKKs in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and sex work in Spain.
I left it with her this morning that I really didn't know pros & cons for the girls in terms of the different work options and that I would try to find out. If anyone has any suggestions for sex worker websites for Europe, I know she would be appreciative. Thanks![/QUOTE]I would advice her to find a normal job when NL look for and try to attract some kind of employees. I would not advice any woman to go to be fucked for job or not even webcam.
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No more pass asked in NRW despite still spreading. Only money say desk.
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Last time I was in Germany pre COVID. Appreciate a summary as to what has changed.
Judging by some of the threads I take it GT Bruggen is closed. Did it reopen as Oceans? If so there is Oceans in Bruggen and one in theüsseldorf?.
Living Room permanently closed?
Is Aca by Ratigen open?
What about Aca Velbert? It was being rebranded?
Dolce Vita?
Thanks.
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[QUOTE=TransAtlantic;2681992]Last time I was in Germany pre COVID. Appreciate a summary as to what has changed.
Judging by some of the threads I take it GT Bruggen is closed. Did it reopen as Oceans? If so there is Oceans in Bruggen and one in thesseldorf?.
Living Room permanently closed?
Is Aca by Ratigen open?
What about Aca Velbert? It was being rebranded?[/QUOTE]Golden Time is now at Oceans building from 11 am to 11 pm, HH 35 until 1 pm. LR is closed. Gold is open. Velbert is Prime.
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[QUOTE=TransAtlantic;2681992]Last time I was in Germany pre COVID. Appreciate a summary as to what has changed.
Judging by some of the threads I take it GT Bruggen is closed. Did it reopen as Oceans? If so there is Oceans in Bruggen and one in thesseldorf?.
Living Room permanently closed?
Is Aca by Ratigen open?
What about Aca Velbert? It was being rebranded?
Dolce Vita?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]RTFF.
Judging by some of the threads I take it GT Bruggen is closed. Did it reopen as Oceans? If so there is Oceans in Bruggen and one in thesseldorf?. [B]Goldentime Brüggen was destroyed in a fire during the final stages of refurbishment. It had been bought by the operators of Oceans, who then brought over the staff from Brüggen hoping to make it a day club as Goldentime[/B].
Living Room permanently closed? [B]Yes[/B].
Is Aca by Ratigen open? [B]Acapulco Gold is still open[/B].
What about Aca Velbert? It was being rebranded? [B]Yes, there are new operators and the place is called Prime.[/B].
Dolce Vita? [B]Closed[/B].
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[QUOTE=Downandup;2682015]RTFF.
Judging by some of the threads I take it GT Bruggen is closed. Did it reopen as Oceans? If so there is Oceans in Bruggen and one in thesseldorf?. [B]Goldentime Brggen was destroyed in a fire during the final stages of refurbishment. It had been bought by the operators of Oceans, who then brought over the staff from Brggen hoping to make it a day club as Goldentime[/B].
Living Room permanently closed? [B]Yes[/B].
Is Aca by Ratigen open? [B]Acapulco Gold is still open[/B].
What about Aca Velbert? It was being rebranded? [B]Yes, there are new operators and the place is called Prime.[/B].
Dolce Vita? [B]Closed[/B].[/QUOTE]Only 1 GT theke on desk at Oceans. How do You know they were finishing works in Bruggen?
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FKK Babylon Hamburg
Hi,
I have Been to many places for many years, specially LR Dusseldorf. Sad to hear its no longer operating.
I am going to Hamburg soon and my favorite place there is Babylon, does anybody have info about the place these days? Cheers.
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A Question for everyone
I want to go to Frankfurt soon. What is the FKK club with the most amount of girls in it? And on what day and hour?
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[QUOTE=KingAmir;2682571]I want to go to Frankfurt soon. What is the FKK club with the most amount of girls in it? And on what day and hour?[/QUOTE]For most numerous girls, Sharks on Friday or Saturday after 5 pm, but quantity is not always quality. Sharks 2022 is not yet on 2021 level.
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FKK Germany
Hello guys,
Does anybody have a collected decision about the best clubs in Germany these days? With the whole package: girls, service, value, food, interior.
Cheers.
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[QUOTE=Khartoum;2682803]Hello guys,
Does anybody have a collected decision about the best clubs in Germany these days? With the whole package: girls, service, value, food, interior.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]For me at the moment, my best are my new Rhur even not best for foods and Gold for my 40 yo woman. When should be bad weather on Saturday for free ride, so I will try to make both before driving 1000 kms at night to free ride 3 Valleys when I wish for sunny Sunday, to make my lines in peuf.
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Bad environment now.
Does anybody have a collected decision about the best clubs in Germany these days? With the whole package: girls, service, value, food, interior.
Upselling, lower quality service, hard to find real beauties. I overpaid now and got worse experiences than before unfortunately. Demand is high but supply is low. Girls will treat you like shit even if you overpay them.
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[QUOTE=UssbTravel;2682919]Does anybody have a collected decision about the best clubs in Germany these days? With the whole package: girls, service, value, food, interior.
Upselling, lower quality service, hard to find real beauties. I overpaid now and got worse experiences than before unfortunately. Demand is high but supply is low. Girls will treat you like shit even if you overpay them.[/QUOTE]What places are you Talking about mate?
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Thank for your answer
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2682713]For most numerous girls, Sharks on Friday or Saturday after 5 pm, but quantity is not always quality. Sharks 2022 is not yet on 2021 level.[/QUOTE]If you need to pick up a quality FKK club, what will you pick?
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[QUOTE=UssbTravel;2682919]Does anybody have a collected decision about the best clubs in Germany these days? With the whole package: girls, service, value, food, interior.
Upselling, lower quality service, hard to find real beauties. I overpaid now and got worse experiences than before unfortunately. Demand is high but supply is low. Girls will treat you like shit even if you overpay them.[/QUOTE]Not at all my weekly on 2022 experiences when I discovered 2 wow level for me on this year. A German is always full busy but after our discovery, she always makes free for me among her appointments, to have love as she says, and to shower me in bed. Very good start for this year for me. The other one is for 80/60 for deep GFE.
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[QUOTE=KingAmir;2682925]If you need to pick up a quality FKK club, what will you pick?[/QUOTE]I don't think at the moment any club has high quality casting, best might be 6 NL on Friday, but I don't care about clubs, I run only for good girls when I love excellence and hate to waste for average, and found 2 really excellent, 26 yo DE without silicon and 40 yo Hu of course without silicon but kind of elegance I look for. Girls are more important for me than clubs. Was told about Atlantis for high quality according to Germans, I wish, for 80/30. Might speed to discover after ski tour which should go to 1 May when snow is falling now. Breuil. It up to Klein Matterhorn to avoid Switzerland, even I wish for Verbier for Easter, wish fresh snow will be solid enough.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2683063]I don't think at the moment any club has high quality casting, best might be 6 NL on Friday, but I don't care about clubs, I run only for good girls when I love excellence and hate to waste for average, and found 2 really excellent, 26 yo DE without silicon and 40 yo Hu of course without silicon but kind of elegance I look for. Girls are more important for me than clubs. Was told about Atlantis for high quality according to Germans, I wish, for 80/30. Might speed to discover after ski tour which should go to 1 May when snow is falling now. Breuil. It up to Klein Matterhorn to avoid Switzerland, even I wish for Verbier for Easter, wish fresh snow will be solid enough.[/QUOTE]I asked about the women's quality and not club-quality.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2682905]For me at the moment, my best are my new Rhur even not best for foods and Gold for my 40 yo woman. When should be bad weather on Saturday for free ride, so I will try to make both before driving 1000 kms at night to free ride 3 Valleys when I wish for sunny Sunday, to make my lines in peuf.[/QUOTE]Witch clubs would you say are the best considering girls, value, service, interior in Germany right now?
In Hamburg?
In Frankfurt?
In theüsseldorf?
Cheers mate.
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[QUOTE=KingAmir;2683272]I asked about the women's quality and not club-quality.[/QUOTE]Many girls at Sharks but not best quality on 2022, below 2021, when Oase may improve a bit.
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[QUOTE=Khartoum;2683274]Witch clubs would you say are the best considering girls, value, service, interior in Germany right now?
In Hamburg?
In Frankfurt?
In thesseldorf?
Cheers mate.[/QUOTE]I didn't visit Hamburg since covid. When you really know a bit about cars, not only reading or watching on TV, then you know you can't work to improve on RS5 as you can on S5 but of course you need to engineer to make almost on same powerful level than RS, with competition sparks, improved electronics and powered bioethanol to speed ecological and pay less than half rate for gas. Finding healthy engine to prepare, then a elegant beauty powered with exceptional atmospheric V8 engine, no turbo, manual gear box when stronic can't get so much increased power and then improved with my own mind engineered preparation as I did on 4 previous cars, even last was a failure, and then long straight lines to Hamburg will be a real pleasure to push 300 , after switching off speed limit on electronics and may follow my rhythm for hundreds thousands kilometers when RS engine will never follow for 1 million kilometers. When we are all different, when I m so different, if you want to play porn, then go to Globe, but when I look for love in bed, not more than in bed, Hessen is not at best for me on beginning of this year but 6 NL and around Dusseldorf are good playfields. Bab Elsdorf may also if you are not too demanding for looks. For GFE I look for, Magnum and Prime which are mostly Balkanian business are not best places. I find my girls by myself and then work to make them play love with me. I drive and pay for this.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2681766]No more pass asked in NRW despite still spreading. Only money say desk.[/QUOTE]Seem also no more now in Hessen.
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Is the lineup better in GT Vienna than Germany?
Entry fee is 95 euros which is significant more expensive than German counterparts. I wonder if someone can compared them based on personal experiences.
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In a word
[QUOTE=UssbTravel;2683631]Entry fee is 95 euros which is significant more expensive than German counterparts. I wonder if someone can compared them based on personal experiences.[/QUOTE]No! Comparisons between this club (and others in Austria) and the German FKK scene always come up. I have experienced both, and Germany is better. Better quality overall, better service, and all for less money. I think it was just last week or so how I hearkened back to another monger who advised that Austria is no substitute for Germany. The latter offers the best deal in Europe in terms of overall price, quantity, quality, and service. Oh sure, you can go to other places, but you will pay more or have a smaller selection or not get the same level of service, and so on. How many times does this have to be said about Germany versus Austria though? It was just discussed! Please folks RTFF.
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[QUOTE=UssbTravel;2683631]Entry fee is 95 euros which is significant more expensive than German counterparts. I wonder if someone can compared them based on personal experiences.[/QUOTE]GT Vienna casting won't improve with small Maya ex LR.
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Easter holidays & FKK
Judging by older posts, it seems Easter is a terrible time for visiting FKKs. Apparently Romanian girls go home over the holidays. With Easter holidays coming up next week, it would be great to get opinions and up-to-date info from frequent FKKers. I am considering a trip to Hessen, but reading older reports made me think I should postpone my visit.
Are all FKKs affected equally, or are there non-Romanian dominated establishments where one can enjoy a reasonable experience?
Approximately when does FKK-land recover after the holidays?
Thanks.
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[QUOTE=YellowFinTuna;2683931]Judging by older posts, it seems Easter is a terrible time for visiting FKKs. Apparently Romanian girls go home over the holidays. With Easter holidays coming up next week, it would be great to get opinions and up-to-date info from frequent FKKers. I am considering a trip to Hessen, but reading older reports made me think I should postpone my visit.
Are all FKKs affected equally, or are there non-Romanian dominated establishments where one can enjoy a reasonable experience?
Approximately when does FKK-land recover after the holidays?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]Judging by "older posts". At the risk of speaking out of my ass. And pretending I know it all, I'm going to say that there are so many factors this year that it's a crapshoot. I'm going to go anyway. First I have to be there- so I'd rather be "in the club" than reading about the club. Second, the industry has been shut down for so long that some of the girls will need money. Further, if enough of the regulars don't go and Yellow Fin and I are the only two guys there, I think we'll have some good times. Supply, demand etc. OK Yellow Fin, if it's only you and me then I suggest we talk outside set the prices and have a great time.
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[QUOTE=Tintin1;2684064]And pretending I know it all, I'm going to say that there are so many factors this year that it's a crapshoot. I'm going to go anyway.[/QUOTE]Same here, I'm driving over arriving next Friday and I will be checking it out for the next seven days. I'm thinking about stopping by Acapulco Gold, Finca, Venus Hamminkelm and Samya, Prime may not be on my list as the last time it was dead during the day. Bernd's may be on my list for my last full day. Each day will start with a visit to an RTC and I'll be checking Grimberg, Arabella and Luderland, maybe Verena too. As a backup, I have a bunch of contacts from Sexdo who say on the site that they offer the service that I want.
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[QUOTE=YellowFinTuna;2683931]Judging by older posts, it seems Easter is a terrible time for visiting FKKs. Apparently Romanian girls go home over the holidays. With Easter holidays coming up next week, it would be great to get opinions and up-to-date info from frequent FKKers. I am considering a trip to Hessen, but reading older reports made me think I should postpone my visit.
Are all FKKs affected equally, or are there non-Romanian dominated establishments where one can enjoy a reasonable experience?
Approximately when does FKK-land recover after the holidays?.[/QUOTE]For Romanians, orthodox Easter which is on 24. Those who can afford will return to family for one of their most important day of the year. After covid, maybe they will stay at home for less long than before.
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Romania celebrates Orthodox Easter, which in 2022 falls on Sunday 24th April. That is one week behind Western Easter (Sunday 17th April).
Orthodox Easter is one of the most major holidays in Romania, and that is when girls with family in Romania used to go back for a few days (or maybe a week). Western Easter (which falls one or two weeks earlier) was normally used to work hard to bring something nice home.
Then again, Tintin and Downandup are so right: There are so many other factors this year. I will not speculate. Keep expectations low and enjoy.
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Gas
When gas heavily increased in Germany and Luxemburg, now less expensive in France and we have best cheapest gas, bioethanol, when already not many faster than 200 before, but now Germans are really slow on autobahns, competing with Swiss snails, when I drove on last Saturday from Rhur to Basel speeding with 600000 kms on next week end old lady with original, improved engine, manual gearbox and clutch, and I was even faster between Base and Zurich than Germans on autobahns. With our bioethanol, can spped to 300 when legal, saving planet and no need to count how many drunk gas liters.
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Public Transportation 9 EUR per month ticket for June, July, August
The conditions have not been finalized yet. But it seems, at minimum this will allow one to ride all local buses and trains everywhere in Germany. Meaning the same ticket that you use in the Frankfurt city network could also be used in the Dusseldorf city network for the entire month. The ICE train between the two cities, however, would cost extra.
There is also discussion about the 9 EUR ticket applying to all regional trains (RB, IRE, RE) nationwide. In theory, one could travel from Frankfurt to Dusseldorf using only regional trains. You can search for this on the Deutsche Bahn website by checking the box "Nur Nahverkehr". Using regional trains, one can get from FFM to DUS in 3 h35 min with one transfer in Koblenz. For context, the RE 60 (4661) train from Frankfurt main station to Darmstadt main station is currently 9 EUR one-way.
Even for those who rent a car, 9 EUR is not a bad investment, if one makes a trip to city center to eat or shop. So one could leave their rental car parked in the outskirts and take a train to the city center, avoiding both traffic and parking fees.
[URL]https://www.tonight.de/duesseldorf/9-euro-ticket-in-duesseldorf-ab-wann-gilt-es-wo-bekommt-man-es_181162.html[/URL]
[URL]https://news.in-25.com/news/167943.html[/URL]
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Hamburg next weekend
Hello fellow spirits,
I am going to Hamburg next weekend, has anybody Been there recent? In that case, How is the FKK clubs at the moment?
Best place?
Most girls?
Etc.
Cheers.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2685578]When gas heavily increased in Germany and Luxemburg, now less expensive in France and we have best cheapest gas, bioethanol, when already not many faster than 200 before, but now Germans are really slow on autobahns, competing with Swiss snails, when I drove on last Saturday from Rhur to Basel speeding with 600000 kms on next week end old lady with original, improved engine, manual gearbox and clutch, and I was even faster between Base and Zurich than Germans on autobahns. With our bioethanol, can spped to 300 when legal, saving planet and no need to count how many drunk gas liters.[/QUOTE]Bad snow for ski, no attractive girl found at Globe on last week end, only one found at Cleo, but after a bit princess type who became furious for sex while DATY even she was not fast and I needed to work hard finishing with 4 fingers deep inside her wide open squirting, at Swiss Dietikon, then I offered old lady for her 600 000 kms birthday to push original improved engine for more than 200 km / h on my way back home through small part of Germany, entering in Rheinfelden. Original engine, manual gear box and clutch speeding for 600 000 kms. Because You drive like this, say Audi. What could be with elegant look with noble engine V8 32 S5 with manual gear box of course to feel better working the mechanic, to improve powerful and powered with our ecological bioethanol gas.
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[QUOTE=Khartoum;2688240]Hello fellow spirits,
I am going to Hamburg next weekend, has anybody Been there recent? In that case, How is the FKK clubs at the moment?
Best place?
Most girls?
Etc.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]Harmony is the best club in this area.
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[QUOTE=Kartoffel;2688347]Harmony is the best club in this area.[/QUOTE]Atmos can worth on Friday or Saturday evening.
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Question, future considerations, etc
I am coming back to the Old World I hope before summer price hikes start.
I have been to Oase and Palace before but that was back in 2007.
While discussing this with some others in a private Telegram group I mentioned the racial makeup of the majority of the various places.
At that time, I found it was mostly Eastern Europeans, mainly Romanian, Polish and Bulgarian with a dash of local Germans. Pursing some of the reports of distinction didn't turn up much in recent information.
So to settle this discussion I wanted to know what is the current racial makeup of the women in FKK's, etc, etc?
Thanks.
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[QUOTE=DJFourMoney;2691196]I am coming back to the Old World I hope before summer price hikes start.
I have been to Oase and Palace before but that was back in 2007.
While discussing this with some others in a private Telegram group I mentioned the racial makeup of the majority of the various places.
At that time, I found it was mostly Eastern Europeans, mainly Romanian, Polish and Bulgarian with a dash of local Germans. Pursing some of the reports of distinction didn't turn up much in recent information.
So to settle this discussion I wanted to know what is the current racial makeup of the women in FKK's, etc, etc?.[/QUOTE]Mostly Caucasians and few Black girls, few pretty.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2691260]Mostly Caucasians and few Black girls, few pretty.[/QUOTE]Still the majority Polish and Hungarian? (White).
Romanians and Bulgarians still present?
Like I said I ask to inform some people. I visited Oase and Palace myself back in 2007 as I stated, looking to confirm what I saw and if it's changed.
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[QUOTE=DJFourMoney;2691480]Still the majority Polish and Hungarian? (White).
Romanians and Bulgarians still present?
Like I said I ask to inform some people. I visited Oase and Palace myself back in 2007 as I stated, looking to confirm what I saw and if it's changed.[/QUOTE]The last time you visited was about the time that Romanians started to become the predominant group. About 80+% Romanian in most clubs these days and a few Bulgarians and Germans.
It's quite rare to find girls from Poland and Hungary in FKK clubs anymore. The lineups featured more nationalities 15 years ago.
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[QUOTE=Samplerr;2691541]The last time you visited was about the time that Romanians started to become the predominant group. About 80+% Romanian in most clubs these days and a few Bulgarians and Germans.
It's quite rare to find girls from Poland and Hungary in FKK clubs anymore. The lineups featured more nationalities 15 years ago.[/QUOTE]Can still find Hungarians. Polish are now more rare, even Kinga and Amalia ex Bruggen seen at Sharks but not pretty enough for 100/30 even she seems friendly.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2691546]Can still find Hungarians. Polish are now more rare, even Kinga and Amalia ex Bruggen seen at Sharks but not pretty enough for 100/30 even she seems friendly.[/QUOTE]After 2 Globe girls today, new Roxana who is the most fresh and half Russian half German from Hamburg Klara with who the best was to chat a bit in Russian, and when I'm very lucky with my deep Rhur German, but my number 1 on 2022 is my 40 yo Hungarian for how she is woman, her elegance and charm, full GFE for 80/60, when I paid today twice 225 when we were over 45 mn, but much lower level in bed and for charm at Globe.
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[QUOTE=Samplerr;2691541]The last time you visited was about the time that Romanians started to become the predominant group. About 80+% Romanian in most clubs these days and a few Bulgarians and Germans.
It's quite rare to find girls from Poland and Hungary in FKK clubs anymore. The lineups featured more nationalities 15 years ago.[/QUOTE]Great, thanks!
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Why isn't there a FKK world thread?
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What?
[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2695298]Why isn't there a FKK world thread?[/QUOTE]What good is it to tell people to RTFF when they can't even FTFT (find the fucking threads)? Geez!
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1464-FKK-World-Giessen[/URL]
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[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2695298]Why isn't there a FKK world thread?[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1464-FKK-World-Giessen[/URL]
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Rapid antigen test on Saturday
Any recommendation on where to get this rapid test on Saturday for my USA return flight on Sunday? I can go to Frankfurt HB or Darmsdadt HB area.
Thanks.
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[URL]https://15minutentest.de/de/en[/URL]
[QUOTE=DaWong949;2696769]Any recommendation on where to get this rapid test on Saturday for my USA return flight on Sunday? I can go to Frankfurt HB or Darmsdadt HB area.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=DaWong949;2696769]Any recommendation on where to get this rapid test on Saturday for my USA return flight on Sunday? I can go to Frankfurt HB or Darmsdadt HB area.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]It is better to wait until you catch covid in the USA then get a PCR for free in the USA and then a letter from doctor which will allow free re-entry for 90 days pursuant to the CDC guidelines.
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Current protocols in DE
I'm heading there soon, and I'm not from the EU. Taking a molecular PCR test at airport the day before, for outbound. Bringing some proctored, rapid antigen, approved for travel Covid tests from binaxnow (emed) for return home. I am looking for info on digitizing my vaccine documentation. My research has turned up his article which seems to spell it all out. It's not for NRW / Ruhr but I'll assume it's similar unless told otherwise. Hopefully I can find a pharmacy and an English speaking pharmacist who can make this as painless as possible, and will do it for me as soon as my first day there!
[URL]https://www.stuttgartcitizen.com/news/local-pharmacies-offer-transcription-of-cdc-vaccine-cards-into-eu-digital-standard/[/URL]
Are they even checking for Covid certs on phone or paper vaccine cards right now? Does it differ between the big clubs and the smaller RTC clubs?
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[QUOTE=WryCooter;2697394]I'm heading there soon, and I'm not from the EU. Taking a molecular PCR test at airport the day before, for outbound. Bringing some proctored, rapid antigen, approved for travel Covid tests from binaxnow (emed) for return home. I am looking for info on digitizing my vaccine documentation. My research has turned up his article which seems to spell it all out. It's not for NRW / Ruhr but I'll assume it's similar unless told otherwise. Hopefully I can find a pharmacy and an English speaking pharmacist who can make this as painless as possible, and will do it for me as soon as my first day there!
[URL]https://www.stuttgartcitizen.com/news/local-pharmacies-offer-transcription-of-cdc-vaccine-cards-into-eu-digital-standard/[/URL]
Are they even checking for Covid certs on phone or paper vaccine cards right now? Does it differ between the big clubs and the smaller RTC clubs?[/QUOTE]All brothels forgot covid.
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Tips for Saving Money on Train Tickets?
Time for this American to get back to Frankfurt after almost 3 years! Planning to stay in near the hauptbahnhof and do trips out to Sharks / Darmstadt. Is buying one-way train tickets the most cost effective? Are there full day or weekly passes tickets that might save me some money? The cost adds up.
Also, I've never once been asked to show my ticket in the past -- tempting, but I assume it's not worth the risk?
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Ticket
[QUOTE=JefferyG;2698261]Also, I've never once been asked to show my ticket in the past -- tempting, but I assume it's not worth the risk?[/QUOTE]All I know is that in all of my trips to Germany, the [B]one[/B] time I have ever been asked to show my train ticket was on a trip to Sharks. Some thin, old, ugly hag in a uniform was going around asking people to show their tickets. Everyone in my car had one. So, spot checks can happen, but indeed they are rare. Best to do the right thing.
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[QUOTE=JefferyG;2698261]Time for this American to get back to Frankfurt after almost 3 years! Planning to stay in near the hauptbahnhof and do trips out to Sharks / Darmstadt. Is buying one-way train tickets the most cost effective? Are there full day or weekly passes tickets that might save me some money? The cost adds up.
Also, I've never once been asked to show my ticket in the past -- tempting, but I assume it's not worth the risk?[/QUOTE]When are you going? If it's between 01 June and 31 August, search for "9 euro Germany ticket" and just buy that.
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I've been asked a few times to show my ticket around Düsseldorf.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2698375]All I know is that in all of my trips to Germany, the [B]one[/B] time I have ever been asked to show my train ticket was on a trip to Sharks. Some thin, old, ugly hag in a uniform was going around asking people to show their tickets. Everyone in my car had one. So, spot checks can happen, but indeed they are rare. Best to do the right thing.[/QUOTE]I've occasionally seen pairs of plain-clothes inspectors on the S-Bahn.
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It happened to me
[QUOTE=JefferyG;2698261]Time for this American to get back to Frankfurt after almost 3 years! Planning to stay in near the hauptbahnhof and do trips out to Sharks / Darmstadt. Is buying one-way train tickets the most cost effective? Are there full day or weekly passes tickets that might save me some money? The cost adds up.
Also, I've never once been asked to show my ticket in the past -- tempting, but I assume it's not worth the risk?[/QUOTE]I always stay near Hauptbahnhof and take public transportation to the various clubs. One time, I bought my one way ticket back from the machine. We were coming back from Oase. We were inside the train at the station when this young and relatively attractive female controller came in and wanted to check our tickets. I could not find mine but found the outgoing ticket. My wingman had his. After a few minutes, I gave up and was ready to pay a fine. The young lady simply said something in German, seemingly cursing me, and left.
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I don't know if Goldengate really opened, but I hear more and more about YY NL reopening, would be great news for me who like high level, with rooms with shower, when 6 is falling more and more Balkanians / Arabs. But between Zurich for new wow Swiss, Dortmund for outstanding lovely German and Roermond, when A3 south Koln was closed on Saturday, I will have to accelerate to create elegant beauty rocket on 4 wheels, when also plan to go to discover FKK Kitzbühel. At on next week end, even driving like on ice with very tired, swinging rear on old lady but engine is still so healthy, just a fight sweating all along. Have to get agreement very fast, because I will have to be much faster than cleaning left line since years.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2699786]I don't know if Goldengate really opened, but I hear more and more about YY NL reopening, would be great news for me who like high level, with rooms with shower, when 6 is falling more and more Balkanians / Arabs. But between Zurich for new wow Swiss, Dortmund for outstanding lovely German and Roermond, when A3 south Koln was closed on Saturday, I will have to accelerate to create elegant beauty rocket on 4 wheels, when also plan to go to discover FKK Kitzbhel. At on next week end, even driving like on ice with very tired, swinging rear on old lady but engine is still so healthy, just a fight sweating all along. Have to get agreement very fast, because I will have to be much faster than cleaning left line since years.[/QUOTE]Confirmed. YY can reopen. Great news. Wish they are higher level for selection than Globe? The place for German part timer. FKK land have good future.
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All Germany for 9 euros
A very interesting offer this summer: you can travel one month for only 9 euros on all local trains in Germany!
Not valid on IC or ICE, but you can cross the country with RE trains.
Details here: [URL]https://www.bahn.com/en/offers/regional/9-euro-ticket-en[/URL].
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[QUOTE=FrenchKiss75;2700210]A very interesting offer this summer: you can travel one month for only 9 euros on all local trains in Germany!
Not valid on IC or ICE, but you can cross the country with RE trains.
Details here: [URL]https://www.bahn.com/en/offers/regional/9-euro-ticket-en[/URL].[/QUOTE]What a good campaign! Only 9 euro for 1 month! I definitely take it.
When I go to Germany, I always use the public transportation.
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Romania Has the Highest Rate of Home Ownership in the World
Keep up the good work in helping Romania. See where your money is going guys?
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Home Ownership
[QUOTE=Turgid;2703982]Keep up the good work in helping Romania. See where your money is going guys?[/QUOTE]I know that one of my favorites working in Madrid had a house. She showed me pics, as well as of her nice furniture and expensive handbags.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2703982]Keep up the good work in helping Romania. See where your money is going guys?[/QUOTE]The rich Romani are reported to have 55 kilograms of gold in their home!
[URL]https://youtu.be/5Ns_G7gKbZ4?t=158[/URL]
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Partytreff Link Problem Solved. Update
[QUOTE=Max#01;2617635]I tried to go to the Partytreff forum just to read what's been going on, or, even if there are any PTs left. The link was dead. Is it just me or has it been taken down? Thanks![/QUOTE]Folks. To make a long story short, I discovered that the link for the partytreff forum found in the FKK forum still has the ". Info" domain rather than the newer ". NL" domain. Once I fixed it in my address bar, everything was fine. I asked the mods if they would mind fixing the link.
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When 6 ens is not so good than on end of 2021 , really wish YY reopening on 1 July.
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I am landing in Amsterdam next week. How difficult would it be to hit up Sharks, Oase, Manhattan, Acapulco Gold, Samya, 6 Sense if I don't have a car? How difficult is it to get to these places?
I planned a huge summer trip for a week but now I am worried the talent level might be terrible from recent reports. Or possibly going to Zurich or Vienna if it isn't good but is that even reasonable?
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[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2711809]I am landing in Amsterdam next week. How difficult would it be to hit up Sharks, Oase, Manhattan, Acapulco Gold, Samya, 6 Sense if I don't have a car? How difficult is it to get to these places?
I planned a huge summer trip for a week but now I am worried the talent level might be terrible from recent reports. Or possibly going to Zurich or Vienna if it isn't good but is that even reasonable?[/QUOTE]You could take the train from AMS starting of with Sixens and then Samya and then the others. You will not have time to sleep or check into a hotel likely if you plan on visiting all of them in only seven days.
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[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2711809]I am landing in Amsterdam next week. How difficult would it be to hit up Sharks, Oase, Manhattan, Acapulco Gold, Samya, 6 Sense if I don't have a car? How difficult is it to get to these places?
I planned a huge summer trip for a week but now I am worried the talent level might be terrible from recent reports. Or possibly going to Zurich or Vienna if it isn't good but is that even reasonable?[/QUOTE]I can only speak about the Frankfurt clubs. I've always used public transport Ie trains from Frankfurt HBF (the main station) and then a short cab ride. For sharks It's a 20 min train to Darmstadt and then a E10 cab ride (but getting a cab back to Frankfurt after the trains have stopped running is very expensive) so more often than not stayed at a hotel near to Darmstadt for Sharks visits. Again for Oase a 20 min train to Burgolhosen (sure I've spelt it wrong) and a E10 cab from there (usually stay at the Mercure in Burgolhosen to avoid the expensive cab ride back to Frankfurt. For Mainhatten and Palace they're on the tram network and a cab from central Frankfurt won't cost much anyway.
For my last trip rather than moving hotels for each club (I normally limit myself to sharks, Palace and Oase) I stayed in one hotel by Frankfurt HBF and not constantly checking in an out made it a much more relaxing experience. Oase were running a minibus for E5 from the station otherwise I used public transport to get to the clubs and so it only left one expensive ride from sharks.
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Mercure hotel in bad homburg is closed and no more oase shuttle bus.
If you stay in sharks until closing in the weekend you can catch the first morning train to Frankfurt a little after 5 am.
[QUOTE=BeWilder;2712192]I can only speak about the Frankfurt clubs. I've always used public transport Ie trains from Frankfurt HBF (the main station) and then a short cab ride. For sharks It's a 20 min train to Darmstadt and then a E10 cab ride (but getting a cab back to Frankfurt after the trains have stopped running is very expensive) so more often than not stayed at a hotel near to Darmstadt for Sharks visits. Again for Oase a 20 min train to Burgolhosen (sure I've spelt it wrong) and a E10 cab from there (usually stay at the Mercure in Burgolhosen to avoid the expensive cab ride back to Frankfurt. For Mainhatten and Palace they're on the tram network and a cab from central Frankfurt won't cost much anyway.
For my last trip rather than moving hotels for each club (I normally limit myself to sharks, Palace and Oase) I stayed in one hotel by Frankfurt HBF and not constantly checking in an out made it a much more relaxing experience. Oase were running a minibus for E5 from the station otherwise I used public transport to get to the clubs and so it only left one expensive ride from sharks.[/QUOTE]
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Vienna is no better than Frankfurt with average line up and constant up sell. I'm sure you will have better service in Zurich but it's expensive.
[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2711809]I am landing in Amsterdam next week. How difficult would it be to hit up Sharks, Oase, Manhattan, Acapulco Gold, Samya, 6 Sense if I don't have a car? How difficult is it to get to these places?
I planned a huge summer trip for a week but now I am worried the talent level might be terrible from recent reports. Or possibly going to Zurich or Vienna if it isn't good but is that even reasonable?[/QUOTE].
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I think other than 6 sense, all can be reached out by public transportation rather easily. Plus for months June-August you pay 9 euros only for all local bus / train for the entire month. There are some Japanese youtube videos telling you how to get to the clubs without car.
[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2711809]I am landing in Amsterdam next week. How difficult would it be to hit up Sharks, Oase, Manhattan, Acapulco Gold, Samya, 6 Sense if I don't have a car? How difficult is it to get to these places?
I planned a huge summer trip for a week but now I am worried the talent level might be terrible from recent reports. Or possibly going to Zurich or Vienna if it isn't good but is that even reasonable?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=SerpentX;2712349]Vienna is no better than Frankfurt with average line up and constant up sell. I'm sure you will have better service in Zurich but it's expensive.
.[/QUOTE]Globe is not anymore wow, with average looks and not even high level for sex. Too expensive for quality. Only if you want porn.
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[QUOTE=SerpentX;2712347]Mercure hotel in bad homburg is closed and no more oase shuttle bus.
If you stay in sharks until closing in the weekend you can catch the first morning train to Frankfurt a little after 5 am.[/QUOTE]On the weekend you have at least one train per hour throughout the night / early morning from Darmstadt HBF. Same for Oase, there are now S Bahns throughout the night from Friedrichsdorf during the weekend.
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[QUOTE=SerpentX;2712349]Vienna is no better than Frankfurt with average line up and constant up sell. I'm sure you will have better service in Zurich but it's expensive.
.[/QUOTE]Noted, I guess maybe I'll hit up Zurich or Wellcum. Barcelona? Or Madrid?
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[QUOTE=SerpentX;2712347]Mercure hotel in bad homburg is closed and no more oase shuttle bus.
If you stay in sharks until closing in the weekend you can catch the first morning train to Frankfurt a little after 5 am.[/QUOTE]That's a shame on both fronts. I was hoping the shuttle would still be in operation though the only time I got it (in both directions) I was the only passenger at E5 each way.
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[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2712495]Noted, I guess maybe I'll hit up Zurich or Wellcum. Barcelona? Or Madrid?[/QUOTE]Barcelona and Madrid both have great scenes especially Madrid but I wouldn't go there specifically for whoring. Only for general holiday and then made sure I enjoyed myself with the girls on offer. If it's your first time on a European sex tour then Frankfurt should be your first port of call.
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[QUOTE=BeWilder;2712649]Barcelona and Madrid both have great scenes especially Madrid but I wouldn't go there specifically for whoring. Only for general holiday and then made sure I enjoyed myself with the girls on offer. If it's your first time on a European sex tour then Frankfurt should be your first port of call.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback. My plan is to hit up Sharks and Oase at least I just hope things have recovered from the pandemic, talent is good. I'm a little nervous with recent reports and I hope I didn't ruin a summer trip.
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[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2712800]Thanks for the feedback. My plan is to hit up Sharks and Oase at least I just hope things have recovered from the pandemic, talent is good. I'm a little nervous with recent reports and I hope I didn't ruin a summer trip.[/QUOTE]If it's your first time then I'm sure you'll still be wowed by FKKs. And if you're going for a full week, I'the maybe add a couple of days in Zurich otherwise there are five main clubs in the Frankfurt area. Oase, Sharks, Palace, World, and Mainhatten. My favourite three are Oase, Palace and Sharks. World has a great outlay with huge grounds (as does Oase) but the quantity and quality of the line up rarely justifies making the long trek there. It is near Giessen which is quite far out. Mainhatten I never liked as I went once and most of the girls were rip off merchants (3 of the 5 girls I went with were trying to get more money out of me than their services entitled). All but Palace have outdoor areas so if the weather is nice I'the spend 2 days at Oase and Sharks and 1 at Palace. If you have 7 days, I'the also visit World and Mainhatten but only if the weather was nice and on a day where I needed a recharge knowing I'the only manage one or two sessions and would spend the rest of the day relaxing outside and ideally on a Monday and Tuesday when all the clubs are quieter.
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And another one you might want to try is FKK Village which is near FKK World and brand new [URL]https://fkk-village.com/[/URL] and visiting 2 clubs in Giessen may justify the longer journey from Frankfurt. From memory it takes about 40 minutes by train. Basically if you've a week there's more than enough FKK clubs to keep you occupied in Frankfurt.
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Review, Freudenhaus Dortmund
Nice club to relax in, but a somewhat weak lineup. Best for summer visits.
* Facilities.
Inside the club there is a bar area, a kino and a dining area. You can also eat your meals outside on a nice patio.
All the wellness facilities are outside, so the club is best suited for summer visits. There is a heated swimming pool, a sauna and a whirlpool. The whirlpool was out of order.
The club has a very nice garden. Unfortunately, there is very little shade there, so unless you plan on sunbathing, the garden is unusable large portions of the day.
I'm guessing that the club is only a couple of years old, as there is very little wear and tear on the interior. The interior design is modern but a bit dark form my taste. The club was nice and clean.
* Staff.
Friendly staff. Passable English skills.
* Food.
The food was simple, but quite good.
The same buffet was served all day. Salad, fresh bread, cheese, ham, sausages, meat balls, schnitzels and a couple of deserts. The staff kept the hot food hot, and the other food fresh.
Cake was available at the bar. They do not serve beer.
* Girls.
My visit was on a Saturday. I arrived 11:00 and stayed until 21:30.
The entire lineup was present at opening time, 12 girls in total. About half needed to loose some weight. Two girls had to much silicone everywhere. One stunner and three good looking girls. Unfortunately, two of the good looking girls were a bit tall for me.
Spoke to 4 of the girls. Very basic English skills. One of the girls only spoke German. None of the girls I spoke to could carry a conversation.
I had two 30 minute rooms with two different girls. Both had the "hurry up and cum" attitude. One suggested finish with hand when there was still 10-15 minutes left. Add to that mediocre English skills. Needless to say. I did not extend any of the sessions.
From 21:00 to 21:30 I was walking around the club looking for someone to go to the room with. Only 2-3 girls were available, and none of them to my liking, so gave up and left.
* Prices.
The girls charged 40 euro / 30 minutes and 70 euro / 60 minutes. Basic service, covered blowjob.
Don't remember exactly how much I paid for entry. Think it was 50 euro. All inclusive. They do not serve beer.
* Other.
Please note that Kindle and other e-readers are only allowed in the dining area, the wardrobe and in the garden. Also note that most of the inside areas of the club, except the dining area, is too dark for reading paper books.
Also note that while the club provides mouthwash, there are no small cups to drink from, so unless you plan to share the "milk carton" with 50 other men, bring your own mouthwash.
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[QUOTE=BeWilder;2712962]If it's your first time then I'm sure you'll still be wowed by FKKs. And if you're going for a full week, I'the maybe add a couple of days in Zurich otherwise there are five main clubs in the Frankfurt area. Oase, Sharks, Palace, World, and Mainhatten. My favourite three are Oase, Palace and Sharks. World has a great outlay with huge grounds (as does Oase) but the quantity and quality of the line up rarely justifies making the long trek there. It is near Giessen which is quite far out. Mainhatten I never liked as I went once and most of the girls were rip off merchants (3 of the 5 girls I went with were trying to get more money out of me than their services entitled). All but Palace have outdoor areas so if the weather is nice I'the spend 2 days at Oase and Sharks and 1 at Palace. If you have 7 days, I'the also visit World and Mainhatten but only if the weather was nice and on a day where I needed a recharge knowing I'the only manage one or two sessions and would spend the rest of the day relaxing outside and ideally on a Monday and Tuesday when all the clubs are quieter.[/QUOTE]Which days should I go for the best experience? I land in Amsterdam on Thursday. I'm thinking a combination of Sharks and Oase during the weekend but should I leave for Zurich on Sunday?
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According to the website this one offers "self liberation with hand."
[URL]https://www.freudenhaus.de/dortmund/profil/434/janina[/URL]
[QUOTE=TraLaLax;2712983]Nice club to relax in, but a somewhat weak lineup. Best for summer visits.
* Facilities.
Inside the club there is a bar area, a kino and a dining area. You can also eat your meals outside on a nice patio.
All the wellness facilities are outside, so the club is best suited for summer visits. There is a heated swimming pool, a sauna and a whirlpool. The whirlpool was out of order.
The club has a very nice garden. Unfortunately, there is very little shade there, so unless you plan on sunbathing, the garden is unusable large portions of the day.
I'm guessing that the club is only a couple of years old, as there is very little wear and tear on the interior. The interior design is modern but a bit dark form my taste. The club was nice and clean.
* Staff.
Friendly staff. Passable English skills.
* Food..[/QUOTE]
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Prices in FKK clubs
I found this lengthy post in one of the local German forums. It is translated into English. It's a great explanation of the history of pricing in FKK clubs from someone who manages one. For those of us who are still frustrated that girls are trying to charge ridiculous prices, and are rethinking the viability of the FKK model, here are some thoughts to consider.
Statement by an operator on pricing policy in clubs, brothels, etc.
Hello everyone,
I am an operator in the middle of BW. I'm writing to you today because I'm just tired of reading your comments about prices over and over again and also making you mad about food and cleanliness and what you still have. I write to you anonymously to simply spare me certain discussions with other operators and prostitutes, but I think I will speak from the soul of one or the other operator or prostitute here. I have been traveling in the red light milleu since I was 17 years old and am now almost 50 years old, so I know what I am talking about. Of course, there will be one or the other angle lawyer or know-it-all here again who tears this report apart or tries to shine with any google links, but I'll say it right away: "DON'T MAKE AN EFFORT I WON'T ANSWER IT. ".
I'll just try to give you an insight, even if I know that it won't help and the discussions here will continue for years to come. Maybe I'm lucky and only one understands it and won't write anything about it anymore.
So let's get started.
I'll go a little further and take a jump back into the 90's.
Almost every one of you still knows the Atlantis in Altenstadt. According to my memory, they have always paid 100 DM for 30 min. This included French without, tongue kisses and traffic so-called girlfriend sex. Extras were required for body insemination, mouth squirting and anal etc.
At that time, with some exceptions, no Romanian and Bulgarian prostitutes were traveling in the.
In 2002, the euro was introduced and from 30 min = 100 DM.
50 were made for 30 minutes.
The profession of prostitute was also officially recognized in 2002.
In 2004, eastward enlargement began with Czech Republic, Poland, Slovenia and Hungary, etc. Some will remember that all the clubs and houses were full of these nationalities. The ladies from these countries came from poor countries (by our means) at that time. These ladies have adopted this pricing policy and everything else that goes with it 1:1.
These ladies also paid great attention to your appearance and learned our language in the fastest possible time so that we could also talk to you in our native language and also tell you what preferences you have.
These ladies definitely did not want to get back into their means, that's why they learned and participated so quickly and made an effort because in these countries a construction worker or warehouse worker earned 3-400 a month and one of these ladies suddenly earned up to 1000 + a day, which was of course utopian at that time when you considered earning almost 3 monthly salaries like in.
In 2004, the state also gradually found out that you can earn from prostitution because all clubs and houses were full. Before that, everyone knew it only behind closed doors about it and acted.
The thesseldorf procedure was first introduced in the 60's as far as I know. In thesseldorf, therefore, thesseldorfers also proceed. But I don't want to go any further into this topic, otherwise we'll still be there tomorrow.
In 2007, Romania and Bulgaria were also admitted to the EU and part of eastward enlargement.
Here, too, the ladies came from poor backgrounds (some cases even poorer ones as those described above), just as the ladies already came in 2004. These ladies also took over the business model 30 min= 50 almost 1:1.
Except that the extras were screwed and the ladies didn't do everything like the ladies from 2004.
Supply and demand was the reason why the ladies moved from 2004 to Austria and Switzerland.
Suddenly there were all pretty 18-year-old Black Sea Romanians and Bulgarians and everyone wanted to try something new and only booked these ladies. The ladies from 2004 were expelled to neighboring countries to earn money at all, because you knew you were getting older and don't have time to earn money forever. The ladies from 2004 took the business model with them to Austria and Switzerland when it comes to acquisition on the customer. The next generation has also no longer come to Germany, but directly to Switzerland and Austria. The price has of course been adjusted.
Since from 2009, about 70% of the working ladies were only Romanian and Bulgarian and the remaining 30% were still mixed with exotics such as Cubans, Asians and German ladies, only 1% exotics are now on the way.
2010 to 2016, and the tariff for 30 min is usually still 50 for 30 minutes on average with tongue kisses and French without and licking etc. Etc. Without various extras.
In 2017, the new Prostitution Act was passed.
The new law contains many changes, not only for customers and prostitutes, but also for operators to protect the working ladies more, which also makes sense.
Among other things, the new law allows the working ladies to regularly go to the order and health office in order to register and to inform themselves about their rights as (in quotation marks) independent service providers.
Instead of getting upset about price discussions and venting bad food and cleanliness and your displeasure here, you should perhaps ask the ladies what happens at the public order office and health office appointment when they are there.
Probably few people know about you. That's why I'm doing some clarification on the customer.
The public order office and health office informs the ladies that only protection may be used.
That the ladies are independent service providers and may determine your working hours and prices themselves and not the company where you work.
That's why sometimes only a handful of ladies are already there at noon or just after work.
That you can set your work clothes yourself and don't have to walk naked if you don't want to.
That if you don't want to, you don't have to drink champagne or cocktails because it harms your health, etc.
And so I can give you 20 other examples.
Or why do you think there is no more proseccotag or lingerie day or no more attendance lists in some clubs or only dangerous information on the homepage regarding ladies?
Of course, every operator would like to show on the Internet what they have and what there is. He would also be stupid if he didn't do it, he attracts customers ashore, but legally this is no longer quite easy because you immediately slip into an employment relationship with the ladies and then have to pay social security contributions for it as an operator, even though they are independent service providers. So everything is a bit more complicated and too long to do here.
The health office now comes to us in the houses every 3-4 weeks, the public order office also comes to the house every 3-4 weeks in the same rhythm for control and the church Caritas is also there every 6 weeks to talk to the ladies what it looks like and how you are. In this day and age, not a single operator will lean out of the window and thus jeopardize its professional existence.
I just found that while cleaning up my office.
That you can see that they are not fairy tales what I tell you what the operator blooms in case of non-compliance.
Friday March 13th, 2020.
Corona lockdown. Public order office and police come in the evening at 8 pm And put the disposal for immediate closure on the table until April 19.
Everything has to close. Everyone knows what happened, I don't need to go into it.
30 min still at 50.
Almost everywhere in BW.
But what hardly anyone knew. After the first lockdown, the ladies were unfortunately not allowed to pursue prostitution in brothels, because they were closed. Therefore, these ladies moved to any pension rooms or private apartments or on the street. Probably 80% of the working ladies are back to their home countries during Corona, and stayed there for the time being. The other 20% that have remained here have of course seized the favor of the hour and adjusted the prices conditionally for Corona. As already written above, supply and demand.
Of course, these ladies have earned good money and after 16 months of forced closure, they have maintained the prices, and the advanced ladies have of course taken over 1:1 again.
The ladies working until then did not receive a single cent of corona help except for a few individual ones who worked with a tax number or anything else from the German state, although these ladies paid 25 to the tax office every day. The ladies where they received emergency aid had to pay back 95% of it. Of course, they want to somehow bring the 16 months back in now.
What I'm trying to explain to you is:
The operator cannot set prices for the ladies because they are allowed to set their own prices according to the 2017 law.
The operator has the house right and can say that with me the 30 min costs 50 and if the lady does not comply with it, she has to leave the house.
But what does the lady do where the house leaves?
She goes to another house and does the same where the operator is not interested in what you asks for 30 minutes, but who is only interested in paying your rent or entrance fee. There are many women, there are also many men. Very simple principle. Both in the Laufhaus and in the club. That's why every operator goes along and looks away at what happens in the current pricing policy, because no one sends their money away and leaves anyone to others.
And no operator now introduces 50 again for 30 minutes and takes a risk and thus loses 90% of the ladies to hope that 5 guests come a day where they are happy that it costs only 50 here.
Review it.
We started with 100 DM in the 90's, so 50 this has generally lasted until 2020. That's approx. +/- 25 years.
What did a bread or gasoline or rent cost or or 25 years ago?
In my opinion, no price was as stable as the Dirnenlohn in the last 3 decades.
Of course, 2 or 300 are too much for 30 minutes, but if there are people who pay for it, why should the ladies go down with their prices? They prefer to wait the whole day for a customer where 300 pays like they go to the room 6 times for 50. And if they didn't have a customer today for 300 then tomorrow or the day after tomorrow there will be 2 or 3 customers where 500 pay for it. Also some reports here about operators that they should not comment and say something.
Every time I laugh at death about it when I read something like that. The only thing that interests me here and probably also the other operators is when someone writes about how many ladies are in our houses and how the food was and the location, because that is free advertising for us as operators and brings new reading customers, but the rest? Whether the coffee tasted good or there was enough carbon dioxide in the cola or the shower gel is empty, no one here itches from the operator's point of view.
I didn't really want to write that much. Nevertheless, thank you for those who read it until the end. I also didn't want to attack anyone personally, but just wanted to disclose the operator's view of general pricing policy where they have been around here in the forum for months. I will also not answer anything in the comments but quietly read along again and probably have a delicious time again. As a little insider tip from me at the end:
Don't let everything be done with you and go to the security office or the housekeeper or reception and tell us what happened. Sooner or later, every operator notices what's going on. No one will tear your head down for your complaint. I can't promise you whether there will be money back, but a start has already been made with the complaint.
Don't let the fun spoil you.
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On 2021, you could get pretties like Cena, her friend T, even Cosmina with some French, not me, fresh full natural German Daisi ex Palace, for 100/60, with full GFE with Cena and T with who I had weekly rooms. I visited weekly. Not many tourists. On 2022, prettiest are not on business and girls seem to think they can ask what they want, but we have to be able to control. On 2022, I weekly go elsewhere, when Sharks, Oase, Mainhattan except pretty Ukrainian Lana but she can t get me deep inside her, are not good for me, when I still discover good girls for less expensive than in Hessen which is not on top. I don't read German forums because I know we don't play same game with girls.
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[QUOTE=AznHotBoy;2716244]Shark's management is complete shit and eventually it will be a ghost club. They need to do 1 of 2 things. Either control the prices to match the quality of the girls or control the quality of girls that can come work. Right now they're literally not doing anything. Some of these wild animals that they call girls are asking Swiss prices. Have they looked at a mirror? Maybe they don't have mirrors in the jungle, but I'm not paying 150 E 30 or even 100 E 30 for a baboon. I don't know who in their right mind is paying these prices at Sharks when there are many, many other clubs that charges less and have higher quality optics. Maybe there is something in the water in Darmstadt all these men are losing IQ? Shit, go to Switzerland and spend that same money for a higher quality girl.[/QUOTE]Hate to break it to you, there is near world wide inflation, and all manner of logistic issues raising the costs for everywhere. To say nothing of food shortages, tourism still on the edge (which means less work for them), the higher risk during the pandemic, to say nothing of the energy crisis. The businesses themselves will be doing it rough to keep the building afloat, let alone profiting. So of course the women are raising their prices, as to no doubt what they have to pay more to the house and to support themselves. To them its a livelihood, for us it is a first world hobby. Who on earth could blame them for raising prices! Everything is going up.
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Prices
Hey Shiny,
Nice find. The German guy certainly makes some good points and put things in perspective. I have been in the game almost as long as him, so it was a nice trip down memory lane. Dare I ask in which forum you found it? It could be interesting to see the response from our German colleagues (PM me if the reference violates forum rules).
Yeah, the 2017 law certainly changed things, but not as fast as reports on ISG make it sound, I believe. I remember a discussion in 2018 where a forum member concluded that 100 E /60 was dead and that we all needed to pay 150 E /60 from then on. At that time all my sessions at Oase / World / Sharks were 100 E /60, so obviously I had to object. Post covid that has been a struggle of course, but I am happy to announce that on my last trip in 2021 and my first trip in 2022 I was still able to make it (but World is 120 E /60 of course). A mix of regulars and new girls with no shortchange of optics / performance. On my last two trips I had to adjust some 100 E /60 sessions with 150 E /60 sessions. I acknowledge that 150E/60 is the going rate now at Oase/Sharks (120E at World) and that you need a bit of effort to get 100E/60. We will see what the future brings.
A couple of myths:
- The best looking girls are impossible to get at 100 E /60. Not in my book. But you have to be patient and selective having the mindset of a hunter and not a pushover. Not easy if you are a first time visitor to a club of course. But if you visit a club regularly (say 2- 3 times a year) then you should afford this hunting game.
- You have to accept what the girl quotes. Not true. Many girls do not expect you to bite (in particular if they recognize you from previous visits). As a regular of mine told me: "We just try to get the guys to agree to a higher quote. Some bite. Some don't. If we quote too high and gets a complaint, we risk being kicked out. " Just keep the discussion friendly and see what happens. If she won't back down, then at least try to get an extra included. You will be surprised how many girls that will agree. Or simply smile, thank her for her time, walk away, and find someone hotter.
I have nothing against guests who pay a higher rate. If you have the money, then go for it. But if you, like me, are on a budget and need to adjust, then my two cents are to enlighten everyone about the possibilities out there.
Have fun.
- S16.
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[QUOTE=Blake011;2716979]Hate to break it to you, there is near world wide inflation, and all manner of logistic issues raising the costs for everywhere. To say nothing of food shortages, tourism still on the edge (which means less work for them), the higher risk during the pandemic, to say nothing of the energy crisis. The businesses themselves will be doing it rough to keep the building afloat, let alone profiting. So of course the women are raising their prices, as to no doubt what they have to pay more to the house and to support themselves. To them its a livelihood, for us it is a first world hobby. Who on earth could blame them for raising prices! Everything is going up.[/QUOTE]Inflation yes, but nothing else that I know of went up 100%, not even gasoline.
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[QUOTE=Shark16;2717050]Hey Shiny,
Nice find..[/QUOTE]Hey Shark16,
Thanks for your thoughts. In my personal opinion, I think the prices should have gone up to around 60 Euro / HH then eventually 75 Euro / HH for standard service (enthusiastic DFK, BBBJ, DATY, CFS) at some point before the girls got mad / greedy and started asking crazy money, like 100 Euro / HH. Within the German FKK system, I would be happy to pay 150 Euro / hour for great service. And throw in an extra 50 Euro for CIM. And in speaking with other mongers, that seems to be a shared feeling. Unfortunately, the market appears to have overshot the mark. And I'm afraid it won't return to normalcy.
For most of us, the FKK "vacation" means 4-5 sessions in a wonderful long day. If the sessions are 50-75 Euro per 30 minutes, then you can have an incredible day for under 500 Euro. If the girls are expecting 200 per hour for plain vanilla unremarkable service, then the math simply doesn't make sense. I don't want to pay a 85 Euro entry fee then only do one session. I would rather redirect my vacation time to Colombia or Spain or whatever.
The post was on "bw7", BTW.
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[QUOTE=Blake011;2716979]Hate to break it to you, there is near world wide inflation, and all manner of logistic issues raising the costs for everywhere. To say nothing of food shortages, tourism still on the edge (which means less work for them), the higher risk during the pandemic, to say nothing of the energy crisis. The businesses themselves will be doing it rough to keep the building afloat, let alone profiting. So of course the women are raising their prices, as to no doubt what they have to pay more to the house and to support themselves. To them its a livelihood, for us it is a first world hobby. Who on earth could blame them for raising prices! Everything is going up.[/QUOTE]I'm not complaining about the prices. Reread what I wrote. The Swiss clubs have the same if not higher prices than Sharks at the moment. And I think those prices are justified.
[blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] All I'm saying is that the quality of the girl need to match the price. So the club management can either get Swiss or even Austrian level girls at this current moment for 150 E 30. OR match what other discount clubs like Dietzenbach is offering.
Honestly some of these are even too ugly for RTC clubs.
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[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2717054]Inflation yes, but nothing else that I know of went up 100%, not even gasoline.[/QUOTE]Yes, in Western Europe, almost 100% increasing for gasoline diesel from April 2020 to now. Reason why I will build my flexifuel for the only real S5 .
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[QUOTE=AznHotBoy;2717160]I'm not complaining about the prices. Reread what I wrote. The Swiss clubs have the same if not higher prices than Sharks at the moment. And I think those prices are justified.[/QUOTE]I agree on 2022, most of Sharks looks don't worth rate they are asking, but at Globe, at least 90% also don't worth 150/30. At Aphrodisia, they are not pretty enough to worth 500/60. When I paid 150/60 for my many rooms with Katalea on 2021, twice on many visits as long she was able to play my GFE standard, I paid less expensive for a prettier girl than at Globe and on highest Globe GFE level when she was more fresh than at Globe, but after 7 rooms, she was not anymore fresh GFE enough for me and I became too big for her tired vagina. I loved when her nipples were talking, hardening and chicken skin.
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[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2717132]Hey Shark16,
Thanks for your thoughts. In my personal opinion, I think the prices should have gone up to around 60 Euro / HH then eventually 75 Euro / HH for standard service (enthusiastic DFK, BBBJ, DATY, CFS) [/QUOTE]Pretty much my sentiments, too. Inflationadjusted prices should be around 60- 65 E for a quality session in Hessen (maybe 70 E with this year's inflation). Not more. Therefore I would be happy to tip a bit above 50 E hh if the performance is good.
Where we part a bit is the pessimistic tone of "it is not possible to negotiate". It IS possible. Even with the prettiest girls. Even without losing any quality in her performance. Just be friendly and not act like the cheapest of charlies. The girls expect some resistance when quoting prices. I know, because even on my recent trip half my sessions were 100 E /60 (Oase / Sharks).
I also experienced a couple of girls quoting 200 E /60. Probably around 5- 8% of the girls I was chatting up. The two girls would not back down, but would be happy to include some extra services, I. E. 150 E for a GFE + 50 E for an extra. So not any big surprise really. I politely declined. There were many good and better alternatives around. And I had just been fully satisfied in the room with a regular for 100 E /60.
No girls quoted 250- 300 E for plain services as rumoured on ISG. A girl explained to me that they would risk being kicked out if they asked too much for nothing. However, I bet they are easily forgiven if doing so during crowded party nights or big fairs.
Yeah, my budget a day used to be 250 E + entrance fee with five solid sessions. Long gone. In the latter years I preferred 3 x longer 100 E sessions. Sometimes I still manage. At other times I have to adjust to 2 x 150 E sessions. Budget still the same resulting in fewer girls getting my money. With less sessions I emphasize more on the quality of spa and garden facilities. The FKK experience (attractive naked girls all around asking for sex) is still unique to me. I am not ready to quit the FKK scene. Not yet. But I may want to explore other FKK clubs in differenct regions / countries (I already have).
Thanks for the source.
- S16.
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Can still find high level girls, even Germans, with higher level than most at Globe, for 40 or 50 per 30 in Germany. Most often for 2 full GFE hours for me with my wow German. Except my very expensive Swiss 18 yo virgin look but really looking like a woman, but best value for money on 2022 will be in Germany but not Hessen, even pretty Ukrainian Lana Mainhattan was for 150/60 and turning full GFE even small pussy. Best clubs are in Hessen, but not best girls. Switzerland is much too expensive for level of most girls.
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Even when gas demand sunk due to lock downs in April 2020 and prices bottomed out at beginning of COVID, gasoline bottomed at 1.22 USD per Liter. Now it is 1.99 USD per liter. That's only a 62% increase and also not a true indicator of inflation as 1.22 was not even the true sustained price.
And prior to covid, gasoline was 1.6 USD per Liter, making true gasoline inflation only 24%.
Neither of which are anywhere near the 100% increase girls are asking.
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[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2717373]Even when gas demand sunk due to lock downs in April 2020 and prices bottomed out at beginning of COVID, gasoline bottomed at 1.22 USD per Liter. Now it is 1.99 USD per liter. That's only a 62% increase and also not a true indicator of inflation as 1.22 was not even the true sustained price.
And prior to covid, gasoline was 1.6 USD per Liter, making true gasoline inflation only 24%.
Neither of which are anywhere near the 100% increase girls are asking.[/QUOTE]Since March, I spend 600 € more monthly for my driving, reason why I chose S5 but the only real one, to make with flexifuel French technology 0.8 € per liter and increasing engine power of course, when I m poor and can t pay Hessen rates but in Rhur for higher quality.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2717618]Since March, I spend 600 more monthly for my driving, reason why I chose S5 but the only real one, to make with flexifuel French technology 0.8 per liter and increasing engine power of course, when I m poor and can t pay Hessen rates but in Rhur for higher quality.[/QUOTE]Just an oil question with all the high mileage do you use synthetic oil or conventional oil since the car is high mileage and how often do you change the oil and / or filter?
I am using the Fram 10,000 miles filter and do about three oil changes before changing the filter to save money.
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[QUOTE=DrPoon;2717987]Just an oil question with all the high mileage do you use synthetic oil or conventional oil since the car is high mileage and how often do you change the oil and / or filter?
I am using the Fram 10,000 miles filter and do about three oil changes before changing the filter to save money.[/QUOTE]I follow Audi program = changing oil and filter every 30000 kms and same for powerful S5 , with long life Castrol 5 W30. My old lady engine is still healthy at 625000 kms and pushing every week end in Germany. What I call quality. When engine did warm up, then best for it is to push, which clean it. I wish I will find my S5 with guaranty on engine, gearbox and transmission when it will have to go for about 100 km / h faster it ever was, and I want only the Richard Wagner sound, not Akrapovic race sound. Not sure I will find as I wished for my Summer tour finishing in Ventoux, then old lady will go until I find the good one, beautiful and healthy I can prepare for flexifuel and more powerful to improve from 285 km / h just easily switching off speed limit in electronics to 300 , needing much more power when for this speed I won t find any car to follow stuck in its back to be faster, like I can sometimes faster than 220 with old lady. Interesting work I look forward. I chose this engine because except oil and filter to change, with chain for valves, nothing more, and mechanic quattro, not electronics correcting to kill You. And of course, manual gearbox more able for increased power, not automatic like RS.
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Dollar Parity
The Euro has hit dollar parity for the first time in 20 years. Enjoy guys.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2719258]The Euro has hit dollar parity for the first time in 20 years. Enjoy guys.[/QUOTE]Interesting hope for the USD remaing a world reserve currency. We can assume this is due to the high energy prices and gas shortages in Europe.
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Which FKKs Have Air Conditioning?
Will be in FRA on Tuesday, it is forecast to be 38 C / 100 F in the afternoon. I looked through the threads and there appears to be some inconsistent information. Between OASE, Sharks, and Mainhatten, which of these clubs have air-conditioning in the zimmer and in the main area? I remember Shark's being really hot in the summer, but it sounds like some of the rooms now have AC? What about Oase?
Thanks!
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Cologne / NRW FKK?
I don't really want to pay the Hessen rates (100/30). If I can go to only one FKK in NRW area where should it be? Samya, Aca Gold, Babylon?
Last visit to FKK was pre-covid to Artemis. Looking to find that experience again in NRW, but I worry it doesn't exist at the 50 euro for 30 min rate in NRW.
Are Frankfurt options so much better than it is worth the higher rates?
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[QUOTE=Lookforfun;2721905]I don't really want to pay the Hessen rates (100/30). If I can go to only one FKK in NRW area where should it be? Samya, Aca Gold, Babylon?[/QUOTE]If Dina from Sharks is a no show today, I'll be heading over to NRW as well. Aca Gold and Prime was decent when I visited in 2021.
Personally, I don't think Frankfurt rates are worth it. Austria is probably better for medium-high prices at the moment. Swiss is ok but not as good as before covid. But I rather pay Swiss prices in Switzerland.
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[QUOTE=Lookforfun;2721905]I don't really want to pay the Hessen rates (100/30). If I can go to only one FKK in NRW area where should it be? Samya, Aca Gold, Babylon?
Last visit to FKK was pre-covid to Artemis. Looking to find that experience again in NRW, but I worry it doesn't exist at the 50 euro for 30 min rate in NRW.
Are Frankfurt options so much better than it is worth the higher rates?[/QUOTE]Most of Hessen girls are not pretty enough for new 2022 rates. Prettier looks at Gold from Thursday to Sunday after 3 pm, and BBBJ is quite standard for 40 or 50/30. Samya is not on top for looks, but Rosa there is queen for BBBJ.
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[QUOTE=Lookforfun;2721905]I don't really want to pay the Hessen rates (100/30). If I can go to only one FKK in NRW area where should it be? Samya, Aca Gold, Babylon?
Last visit to FKK was pre-covid to Artemis. Looking to find that experience again in NRW, but I worry it doesn't exist at the 50 euro for 30 min rate in NRW. ...[/QUOTE]Which club is right for you depends on your preferences.
- I assume from your post that price is somewhat important to you?
- Would you like to visit the club during day, evening or both?
- Would you like to go somewhere relaxing or somewhere with a party atmosphere?
- Are you OK with traveling for a couple of hours to get to and from the club?
- Are you going to be driving or use public transportation?
- Near which city are you going to be staying?
- What kind of girls do you like. Are you ok with a few extra pounds?
- Is the number of girls in the club important to you?
- Which services do you like. Is BBBJ important to you? Is GFE important to you? Other services?
- Which facilities are important to you? Wellness, bar / nightclub, relax lounge, garden, pool, kino, restaurant and food?
- How important is cleanliness to you? (I'm thinking about the club, not the girls).
- Are you comfortable with girls using aggressive or pushy sales techniques, both in and out of the room?
Clubs in NRW generally charge between 40 and 60 euro per half hour. However, while BBBJ is included in some clubs, BBBJ is an extra in other clubs. BBBJ can be ridiculously high priced at 50 euro, bringing the price for 30 minutes with BBBJ up to 100 euro.
It is also worth noting that with 30-minute rooms, most girls will end the session once you come, so you are not getting the 30 minutes you paid for. They will also try to hurry the session by going fast and / or using hand.
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NRW FKK of choice
[QUOTE=TraLaLax;2722020]Which club is right for you depends on your preferences.[/QUOTE]Thanks everyone for your responses so far. I can certainly afford the higher price, but it seems like that added cost in Frankfurt isn't getting me anything. I'm flying in and out of FRA, but I'm staying in Cologne. Yes, I could spend my day in a Frankfurt FKK if it's worth it.
To answer your other questions.
Price not that important. I'm also willing to travel up to 1.5 hours using a mix of public transportation and taxi.
I plan to arrive in the afternoon and spend 3-4 hours. If it's good, I hopefully will be allowed to return in the evening after sampling local cuisine at a nice restaurant. I can only go one day, but I can choose that day to be Wednesday (my preference), Fri, or Sunday.
I'm going solo. Party atmosphere is preferred if possible, but not sure that's feasible when entering alone unless the girls help welcome me into the party. Otherwise, relaxing / laid back is just fine. I can enjoy either, but I assume relaxing might be the safer option since a good party depends on the people I won't have any control over.
I'm staying in the heart of Cologne.
A few extra (just a few) is fine especially if the girl has a pretty face and excellent service and can form that connection. But, I generally prefer petite.
Certainly prefer more girls than fewer, but I just want a handful of good options at the end of the day.
GFE with kissing preferred. Don't need BBBJ. Do not want bareback service (don't want AO).
Don't care about food. For relaxing, would prefer a pool (or at least a hot tub / steam room). Party atmosphere I think could happen anywhere, not just a nightclub type place.
Cleanliness is next to godliness. Yes, a clean facility would be welcome.
I can handle pushy girls. I can approach quiet ones too.
I might choose longer 1 hour service if I find someone I like and connect with or I find it is necessary for GFE.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2721999]Most of Hessen girls are not pretty enough for new 2022 rates. Prettier looks at Gold from Thursday to Sunday after 3 pm[/QUOTE]Is Aca Gold considered superior (girl and facility) to Sauna club Prime (Aca Velbert)?
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RE: NRW FKK of choice
Given your preferences, I think your best alternatives are Samya (Cologne), Babylon (Eldsorf) and Venus saunaclub (Hamminkeln).
Samya is easy to get to. Train from Dusseldorf HBF to Cologne HBF, then tram (#16) or taxi to the club. Party atmosphere in the evening. Most girls arrive mid to late afternoon. Steam room and sauna are the only wellness facilities. I was there a Saturday a few weeks ago, and there must have been around 50 girls there in total. Good quality lineup. ([URL]https://www.samya.de[/URL]).
Venus is very easy to get to. Take train (RE19) from Dusseldorf HBF to Hamminkeln, then walk 150 meters. A small club. Fairly high quality lineup with 10-15 girls when I visited on a Wednesday a few weeks ago. Relaxed atmosphere. Nice garden and wellness facilities, including hot tub. One potential issue with this club, is that if many girls go to the room at once, then there might be as few as 2-3 girls available, so you might have to wait a bit before a girl you like to becomes available. ([URL]https://www.saunaclub-venus.de/[/URL]).
Babylon is a bit harder to get to. Take the train from Dusseldorf HBF to Horrem, change to bus (975) or Train (RB38) to Bergheim train station, then take a taxi. Taxies are lined up near the station platform. A medium sized club with a lineup of 20-25 girls on Wednesdays. Relaxed atmosphere. The best wellness facilities of any club in NRW, with garden, pool, hot tub, steam bath and sauna. Nice relax lounge and bar. Squeaky clean. The club is known as a GFE-oriented place. I haven't been there for a couple of months, so I'm not to sure about the quality of the lineup now. However, Dolli, Leah, Roberta and Daria are all on the attendance list now, they all give excellent GFE-service, and are girls can "form that connection". ([URL]https://www.saunaclub-babylon.com[/URL] and [URL]https://www.saunaclubs.org/gpl/tabelle1[/URL]).
P.S. : If you choose to go to Babylon, and an app or website suggest a route that requires you to change trains in Bedburg, ignore that suggestion. It's likely to get you stranded an extra hour on a train platform in the middle of nowhere.
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[QUOTE=TraLaLax;2722563]Given your preferences, I think your best alternatives are Samya (Cologne), Babylon (Eldsorf) and Venus saunaclub (Hamminkeln).[/QUOTE]Many thanks for all this wonderful information. I am very appreciative!
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[QUOTE=TraLaLax;2722563]Given your preferences, I think your best alternatives are Samya (Cologne), Babylon (Eldsorf) and Venus saunaclub (Hamminkeln).
Babylon is a bit harder to get to. Take the train from Dusseldorf HBF to Horrem, change to bus (975) or Train (RB38) to Bergheim train station, then take a taxi. Taxies are lined up near the station platform. A medium sized club with a lineup of 20-25 girls on Wednesdays. Relaxed atmosphere. The best wellness facilities of any club in NRW, with garden, pool, hot tub, steam bath and sauna. Nice relax lounge and bar. Squeaky clean. The club is known as a GFE-oriented place. I haven't been there for a couple of months, so I'm not to sure about the quality of the lineup now. However, Dolli, Leah, Roberta and Daria are all on the attendance list now, they all give excellent GFE-service, and are girls can "form that connection". ([URL]https://www.saunaclub-babylon.com[/URL] and [URL]https://www.saunaclubs.org/gpl/tabelle1[/URL]).
P.S. : If you choose to go to Babylon, and an app or website suggest a route that requires you to change trains in Bedburg, ignore that suggestion. It's likely to get you stranded an extra hour on a train platform in the middle of nowhere.[/QUOTE]There is a bus stop right in front of Babylon.
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[QUOTE=JackalLtt;2724378]There is a bus stop right in front of Babylon.[/QUOTE]Babylon online lineup looks promising.
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[QUOTE=LookForFun;2722206]Is Aca Gold considered superior (girl and facility) to Sauna club Prime (Aca Velbert)?[/QUOTE]For me, Gold is far higher.
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Size of Robes
I'm a large guy (6'3" 340 lbs / 190 cm 155 kg). Do most clubs offer extra large robes? Thanks.
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[QUOTE=RangerCpt30;2726450]I'm a large guy (6'3" 340 lbs / 190 cm 155 kg). Do most clubs offer extra large robes? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Sometimes XXL but may not be large enough. Better you buy one white on your size and use it.
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Still hopes
After my one more Rhur night, NL today to repeat my ex real model for 160/60 with no entry, my Summer when I really enjoyed Freubad with girls in garden and my Romanian full natural beauty for around 180/60 with package, even disappointed by Hessen level of looks who are too expensive and not pretty enough for me, but I found some new looks to make me dream elsewhere and made them becoming good for my love sex. FKK land is still high level for me, 2022 is a really good year for level I found in FKK with even one great GFE for only 80/60 . Out of my so lovely German love for 200/120 , our minimum, my eyes smiled in Rhur, when I see Ada unfortunately telling not kissing and 3 others. When I find 5 attractive looks at Globe, I think this is Christmas. I didn't even need to give a look at only on Italians level Wellcum. I'm not stuck to any club, I look for high level girls and still find some who are for less expensive than in Hessen and at now quite average Globe.
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August update (2022) - And Hessen vs. Austria
August at the FKK clubs is infamous for summer quiet and poor lineups as our lovelies take summer leaves leaving lineups at 40- 70% of normal strength. It is a period many visitors will avoid, but that I strangely enough find attractive: A more chill ambience at a nice time of year will often lead to good sessions (maybe outdoors). I will keep my expectations low of course, but by picking a larger club I know by experience that I always find good options.
Summer of 2022 I sort of knew would be different. We are still in a post covid situation where most clubs in Hessen are only 50- 60% of what they used to be pre covid (Sharks being the exception), and 40- 70% of that did not sound promising. I therefore decided to try something else this year.
But first, let us start with Hessen August 2022. I have done a little research among monger friends and reading reports, and this is what I found about line-ups (from small to large):
- Village: 5- 15.
- World: 15- 25.
- Palace: 15- 25 (dead in daytime).
- Mainhattan: 15- 30.
- Oase: 20- 40.
- Sharks: 40- 60.
And yes, I know there are reports of 80- 200 girls at the party at Sharks this weekend, but those numbers are not typical for August.
The obvious alternative to Hessen is NRW of course. Hessen regulars always envy the pricing structures of NRW. But the NRW are basically small clubs, and small clubs will be even more affected by summer leaves. Additionally, the girls at the NRW clubs I suspect wear too much outfits (I am used to FKK standards). I therefore decided to postpone a NRW trip to another part of year.
My decision was Austria. Great times during my 2021 trip with lots of good memories. I had to do a rerun. But August is a bit risky. I still decided to TOFTT. These are my findings:
- GT Vienna: Around 20- 25 girls (dead in daytime, improving from 6 pm). Very good options with many hot girls. I could see myself spending more than one day here, but it was the worst upsell hell ever experienced. I worked HARD to get a decent session at 200 E /60.1 visit was enough, and it is NOT a preferred club due to the overpricing / upsell.
- GT Linz: Around 15- 20 girls (dead in daytime, improving from 6 pm). Only 2 girls could compete with the hottest girls at GT Vienna, and the non-approach style made the visit boring. But still favourably pricing: 60 E /30 with BBBJ, and this time I found several girls who would LFK for 20 E extra. 1 visit was enough this time around, but I have a soft spot for this club. I can see myself coming back for multiple days at another time of year if Anais, Christina, Samantha, Simena and a couple of others are around.
- Wellcum: At least 70- 100 girls in attendance (the girls claimed 100- 120 girls, and even that is possible) and the place was buzzing with hot girls all around! And this was in the middle of the week and not on a crowded weekend! All 30 rooms occupied and 10 couples waiting in line for available rooms. I have not experienced this in 10 years at my best of times at Oase. I was fondled and got my ass pinched as soon as I entered (no silly non approach policy). A sex factory at its very best. Sessions at 70 E /30 with BBBJ still easily available, but some slight upsell for kissing (30 E) and CIM (50 E) or longer sessions. I can see myself spending multiple days at this place and still wanting to get back.
Note to self: Next August. Skip Hessen. Skip GT Vienna. Skip GT Linz. Go straight to Wellcum.
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[QUOTE=Shark16;2737068]August at the FKK clubs is infamous for summer quiet and poor lineups as our lovelies take summer leaves leaving lineups at 40- 70% of normal strength. It is a period many visitors will avoid, but that I strangely enough find attractive: A more chill ambience at a nice time of year will often lead to good sessions (maybe outdoors). I will keep my expectations low of course, but by picking a larger club I know by experience that I always find good options.
Summer of 2022 I sort of knew would be different. We are still in a post covid situation where most clubs in Hessen are only 50- 60% of what they used to be pre covid (Sharks being the exception), and 40- 70% of that did not sound promising. I therefore decided to try something else this year.
But first, let us start with Hessen August 2022. I have done a little research among monger friends and reading reports, and this is what I found about line-ups (from small to large):
- Village: 5- 15.
- World: 15- 25.
- Palace: 15- 25 (dead in daytime).
- Mainhattan: 15- 30.
- Oase: 20- 40.
- Sharks: 40- 60.
And yes, I know there are reports of 80- 200 girls at the party at Sharks this weekend, but those numbers are not typical for August.
The obvious alternative to Hessen is NRW of course. Hessen regulars always envy the pricing structures of NRW. But the NRW are basically small clubs, and small clubs will be even more affected by summer leaves. Additionally, the girls at the NRW clubs I suspect wear too much outfits (I am used to FKK standards). I therefore decided to postpone a NRW trip to another part of year.
My decision was Austria. Great times during my 2021 trip with lots of good memories. I had to do a rerun. But August is a bit risky. I still decided to TOFTT. These are my findings:
- GT Vienna: Around 20- 25 girls (dead in daytime, improving from 6 pm). Very good options with many hot girls. I could see myself spending more than one day here, but it was the worst upsell hell ever experienced. I worked HARD to get a decent session at 200 E /60.1 visit was enough, and it is NOT a preferred club due to the overpricing / upsell.
- GT Linz: Around 15- 20 girls (dead in daytime, improving from 6 pm). Only 2 girls could compete with the hottest girls at GT Vienna, and the non-approach style made the visit boring. But still favourably pricing: 60 E /30 with BBBJ, and this time I found several girls who would LFK for 20 E extra. 1 visit was enough this time around, but I have a soft spot for this club. I can see myself coming back for multiple days at another time of year if Anais, Christina, Samantha, Simena and a couple of others are around.
- Wellcum: At least 70- 100 girls in attendance (the girls claimed 100- 120 girls, and even that is possible) and the place was buzzing with hot girls all around! And this was in the middle of the week and not on a crowded weekend! All 30 rooms occupied and 10 couples waiting in line for available rooms. I have not experienced this in 10 years at my best of times at Oase. I was fondled and got my ass pinched as soon as I entered (no silly non approach policy). A sex factory at its very best. Sessions at 70 E /30 with BBBJ still easily available, but some slight upsell for kissing (30 E) and CIM (50 E) or longer sessions. I can see myself spending multiple days at this place and still wanting to get back.
Note to self: Next August. Skip Hessen. Skip GT Vienna. Skip GT Linz. Go straight to Wellcum.[/QUOTE]Did you really visit NRW? Where my eyes smiled on Friday night and also at Gold on this year. When you need real french kissing for real GFE, not just Romanian baby kiss, and being allergic to silicon, Wellcum is really not the place for real GFE. As say girls there: Italians don't kiss. As soon, I finish my Summer sporty tour I extend on my week ends until death on bicycle, I speed to NRW and Freubad when they will be back on October. I should not have finished my tour until. Just not many rooms at Wellcum when I didn't see so busy business on Summer 2021 when I visit on Friday or week end. Never 100 girls at Sharks on this week end, despite Summer party. Better to really see than just legends.
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FKK with TS
Are there any FKK that regularly have transsexual (chicks with dicks)? I am intrigued by the idea of DP'ing a woman with a TS.
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According to many girls all over FKK land, when they worked on Summer for tourists, but will go on holidays on September which they think is quite slow for business. So, castings may not be at best. Anyway, I will need more than all September week ends to finish my Summer sport.
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Hessen FKK Clubs
Discussion moved from the Mainhattan thread trying to raise a discussion of general interest:
[QUOTE=Lanthano;2744688]I am not sure if anyone remembers my posts from years ago. .... Visited the 11 of the 11 Hessen FKKs finally[/QUOTE]OF COURSE we remember all your posts. Considering that you ended up in the RLD as your go to place after visiting most of the Hessen FKK clubs I hope you have forgotten about who encouraged you to go through this journey. ;-)
Dare I reveal one more secret? There are more than 11 FKK clubs in Hessen ....
... but I won't challenge you to visit more clubs if this is not your thing. If anything, I suggest you go back to the 1- 2 clubs that you favoured most trying to build up some relations with the best girls. Maybe that would help you in making your FKK visits more successful.
But ok, maybe one more challenge: Which 1- 2 FKK clubs in Hessen would you consider "the best" and why? I think many would like to know after you having gone through all of this.
Anyways, thank you so much for your contributions. It has been a pleasure reading them.
- S16.
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[QUOTE=Shark16;2744720]Discussion moved from the Mainhattan thread trying to raise a discussion of general interest:
OF COURSE we remember all your posts. Considering that you ended up in the RLD as your go to place after visiting most of the Hessen FKK clubs I hope you have forgotten about who encouraged you to go through this journey. ;-)[/QUOTE]Absolutely not, I have occasionally gone back to the previous posts (which made it easy to link them for the last report) and remember your, Optimist's, KK's, Tedesco's and others help navigating the whole thing and encouraging the reports. I would like to thank everyone for reading them.
[QUOTE=Shark16;2744720]
Dare I reveal one more secret? There are more than 11 FKK clubs in Hessen ....
[/QUOTE]I know that a few smaller ones have opened up such as FKK Karibik and some other bare-boned clubs that don't receive much attention in general. Would one consider them FKK's or more just local brothels with a minimum of facilities? Are they essentially just Night & Day in Burstadt?
[QUOTE=Shark16;2744720]
But ok, maybe one more challenge: Which 1- 2 FKK clubs in Hessen would you consider "the best" and why? I think many would like to know after you having gone through all of this.
Anyways, thank you so much for your contributions. It has been a pleasure reading them.
- S16.[/QUOTE]The pleasure has been all mine. Throughout the thousands of euros spent over these years, it's still been worth it as it got me to see different parts of Hessen, and meet a large number of people, and get all sorts of sexual experiences. I remember the one year in 2018 when I forewent going to Thailand altogether and just spent some weeks checking them out.
Needless to say however, for me, the FKKs do not and cannot replace Thailand. Nothing comes close to a night there.
Only 2?
Then it would have to be: Sharks and FKK Rom. Sharks because it's Sharks with 100's of girls in it at its peak hours and I've had some wonderful experiences there before Corona. FKK Rom for German speakers as its very homely, local and off the beaten track. However not what those looking for the wow-factors of the large clubs are looking for.
I look back very fondly at my visits to FKK World, but that's pretty much gone now. The club has changed beyond recognition to some discount pay for each thing individually truck stop, and I won't be going back. A shame really.
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Nice update on wellcum.
[QUOTE=Shark16;2737068]August at the FKK clubs is infamous for summer quiet and poor lineups as our lovelies take summer leaves leaving lineups at 40- 70% of normal strength. It is a period many visitors will avoid, but that I strangely enough find attractive: A more chill ambience at a nice time of year will often lead to good sessions (maybe outdoors). I will keep my expectations low of course, but by picking a larger club I know by experience that I always find good options.
Summer of 2022 I sort of knew would be different. We are still in a post covid situation where most clubs in Hessen are only 50- 60% of what they used to be pre covid (Sharks being the exception), and 40- 70% of that did not sound promising. I therefore decided to try something else this year.
But first, let us start with Hessen August 2022. I have done a little research among monger friends and reading reports, and this is what I found about line-ups (from small to large):
- Village: 5- 15.
- World: 15- 25.
- Palace: 15- 25 (dead in daytime).
- Mainhattan: 15- 30.
- Oase: 20- 40.
- Sharks: 40- 60.
And yes, I know there are reports of 80- 200 girls at the party at Sharks this weekend, but those numbers are not typical for August.
The obvious alternative to Hessen is NRW of course. Hessen regulars always envy the pricing structures of NRW. But the NRW are basically small clubs, and small clubs will be even more affected by summer leaves. Additionally, the girls at the NRW clubs I suspect wear too much outfits (I am used to FKK standards). I therefore decided to postpone a NRW trip to another part of year.
My decision was Austria. Great times during my 2021 trip with lots of good memories. I had to do a rerun. But August is a bit risky. I still decided to TOFTT. These are my findings:
- GT Vienna: Around 20- 25 girls (dead in daytime, improving from 6 pm). Very good options with many hot girls. I could see myself spending more than one day here, but it was the worst upsell hell ever experienced. I worked HARD to get a decent session at 200 E /60.1 visit was enough, and it is NOT a preferred club due to the overpricing / upsell.
- GT Linz: Around 15- 20 girls (dead in daytime, improving from 6 pm). Only 2 girls could compete with the hottest girls at GT Vienna, and the non-approach style made the visit boring. But still favourably pricing: 60 E /30 with BBBJ, and this time I found several girls who would LFK for 20 E extra. 1 visit was enough this time around, but I have a soft spot for this club. I can see myself coming back for multiple days at another time of year if Anais, Christina, Samantha, Simena and a couple of others are around.
- Wellcum: At least 70- 100 girls in attendance (the girls claimed 100- 120 girls, and even that is possible) and the place was buzzing with hot girls all around! And this was in the middle of the week and not on a crowded weekend! All 30 rooms occupied and 10 couples waiting in line for available rooms. I have not experienced this in 10 years at my best of times at Oase. I was fondled and got my ass pinched as soon as I entered (no silly non approach policy). A sex factory at its very best. Sessions at 70 E /30 with BBBJ still easily available, but some slight upsell for kissing (30 E) and CIM (50 E) or longer sessions. I can see myself spending multiple days at this place and still wanting to get back.
Note to self: Next August. Skip Hessen. Skip GT Vienna. Skip GT Linz. Go straight to Wellcum.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Lanthano;2744726]I know that a few smaller ones have opened up such as FKK Karibik and some other bare-boned clubs that don't receive much attention in general. Would one consider them FKK's or more just local brothels with a minimum of facilities? [/QUOTE]There should afaik be at least 3 more FKK clubs in Hessen (a total of 14). There could be more.
- FKK Village in Reiskirchen (near FKK World).
- FKK Club Darling in Nidderau.
- FKK Caribic in Wiesbaden.
What does qualify as a FKK club? The above clubs all use "FKK" in their name, so that indicates nudity. That's a good start. Other than that I know nothing (I have not been to any of these clubs). I highly doubt they are worth visiting (could be closed).
[QUOTE=Lanthano;2744726]Only 2? Then it would have to be: Sharks and FKK Rom. Sharks because it's Sharks with 100's of girls in it at its peak hours and I've had some wonderful experiences there before Corona. FKK Rom for German speakers as its very homely, local and off the beaten track. However not what those looking for the wow-factors of the large clubs are looking for.[/QUOTE]Sharks: Not surprising really. This is the only Mega Club left in Hessen (60- 80 girls on a regular basis), as the others (Oase, Mainhattan, Palace, World) are reduced to medium sized clubs (25- 40). Big means choice (optics and performance), and you just need to find the ones that suit your needs.
Rom: Yeah, I thought you would like one of the small local FKK clubs. I agree to your assessment (no wow-factor, just German "gemutlichkeit").
One question though: We know you have a preference for the short and sweet 50 E /30 sessions. Considering this is becoming more and more difficult to get at the bigger "tourist" clubs, would you say it is easier to get those kind of sessions at the smaller clubs? Preferrable a solid session and no shortchange of time
[QUOTE=Lanthano;2744726]I look back very fondly at my visits to FKK World, but that's pretty much gone now. The club has changed beyond recognition to some discount pay for each thing individually truck stop, and I won't be going back. A shame really.[/QUOTE]Oh man, prior to the introduction of Mainhattan and Sharks, say around 2003- 2010, this was the go to club in Hessen. Imagine 100 girls, prettier than the ones at Sharks right now, girls mostly (95%) provided DFK / BBBJ / DATY / CFS in a standard 50 E /30 session, no shortchange of time, a warm sunny day in the most beautiful garden in Hessen, decent BBQ, free beer, .... Those were the days. I am sorry you missed out.
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[QUOTE=HeyyyyyyPaul;2744748]Nice update on wellcum.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Wellcum really took me by surprise. Maybe I should add that I am not a regular at this club. But the visit was really amazing. Loved the line-up and ambience. Too bad the club is in the middle of nowhere. The travel is a hassle, and thus this club is not for everyone. And if you are a DFK fundamentalist, then this club is definitely not for you.
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[QUOTE=Shark16;2737068]......Note to self: Next August. Skip Hessen. Skip GT Vienna. Skip GT Linz. Go straight to Wellcum.[/QUOTE]What is the closest hotel to Wellcum?
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2745206]What is the closest hotel to Wellcum?[/QUOTE]The Hotel [URL]https://wellcum.at/en/hotel/[/URL].
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2745206]What is the closest hotel to Wellcum?[/QUOTE]Wellcum and You can take girls to your room. I prefer under the bridge.
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[QUOTE=Shark16;2745106]Thanks. Wellcum really took me by surprise. Maybe I should add that I am not a regular at this club. But the visit was really amazing. Loved the line-up and ambience. Too bad the club is in the middle of nowhere. The travel is a hassle, and thus this club is not for everyone. And if you are a DFK fundamentalist, then this club is definitely not for you.[/QUOTE]No problem for me to drive to when I love curves on autobahn around Tarvisio, but from my model of sex learned with my girlfriends, since Lena 2017 and Barbi 2018 but not the plastic monster she became on 2019 , I don t enjoy sex without kissing at Wellcum, even Lea. Bu is kissing, but not pretty enough to repeat. Lower level for GFE compare to what I find in Germany.
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[QUOTE=Shark16;2745218]The Hotel [URL]https://wellcum.at/en/hotel/[/URL].[/QUOTE]I checked the rate at € 86,00/ 1 Night. Seems quite reasonable. Anyone stayed here?
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2745226]Wellcum and You can take girls to your room. I prefer under the bridge.[/QUOTE]There is accommodation under a bridge? Any restaurants / supermarkets nearby?
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2745435]I checked the rate at 86,00/ 1 Night. Seems quite reasonable. Anyone stayed here?[/QUOTE]Many have stayed there. It is quite reasonable. And convenient. You are in the middle of nowhere. Right next to a FKK club with 70+ nude young girls asking you for sex. What can you do?
The Hotel has easy access to the club. Breakfast included and located at the club's restaurant. "A full breakfast is available each morning between 07:30 and 10:30. On your request our kitchen team will prepare fried eggs, omelet or whatever your heart desires". Expect standard FKK buffet with an Italian flavour.
That reminds me that the restaurant opens at noon and is closed between 4 and 6 pm and after 10pm. If I remember correctly. The bar is open till late.
Do you have problems with French poetry? Sirioja sleeps in his car in the parking lot under the bridge next to the club saving money.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2745440]There is accommodation under a bridge? Any restaurants / supermarkets nearby?[/QUOTE]Nothing except river to wash my ass, when I don't need girls for. You can take a Wellcum room, a girl, and fuck her whole night. I was proposed by some Wellcum girls to spend the night together, but I prefer the river and the moon.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2745432]Girls can set their prices. The sky's the limit. US prices here we come.[/QUOTE]Yes and the irony is that American sex tourists still think that the European socialists and green eco-communists that are in power now will pave the way to an FKK Utopia. LOL!
Reality is that conservative governments (who were ideologically more in the political centre) who were in power decades ago are the best kind of governments for P6.
Biden and his crew of CNN-MSNBC Marxists have been in power for almost two years: what has significantly changed in the liberating the P6 scene in the USA? Nothing!
Ask yourself this: what do you think those 87000 new IRS agents will be doing? Yup: harassing small cash-only businesses like strip bars and massage parlours whilst leaving big corporations and billionaires (who can afford to hire the best tax consultants and lawyers) alone.
I've been predicting this for quite some time: if you want to see the future of FKKs in Germany, look no further than leftwing Feminazi countries like Sweden.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2547767]So true, but as a 'return favour' we get communism in the rest of Europe now: central economic planning and a Covid1984 police state.
Want to see the future of German FKKs? Look at Sweden where ultra radical leftwing feminist and a bunch of soy-boy-feminised 'men' are running the show.
Traditionally, P6 has prospered in a conservative and business-minded climate just look at Hong Kong, West-Germany, Holland, Belgium. Wherever there is liberty, there is prosperity, and where there is prosperity, there are WGs. The only exception is the puritan US and the Victorian UK. The more leftwing and religious a country gets, the worse and more over-regulated the situation becomes with P6. Communism is a religion, or better yet, a cult, just remember that Marx said about religion: "the opium of the people."[/QUOTE][QUOTE=HammerTime96;2533983]Elections in September this year, let's wait what plans the neo-communists ('greens' and the SPD) will come up with. They have been pushing for years to have a speed limit, and hey, if we're 'lucky' they might also throw in an even more strict prostitution law like in Sweden! (of course all in the name of "public health," "protecting women" and "road safety."[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2745718]Biden and his crew of CNN-MSNBC Marxists have been in power for almost two years: what has significantly changed in the liberating the P6 scene in the USA? Nothing![/QUOTE]Not sure what this has to do with the current thread, but in the same spirit one could ask what did Trump and his Fox-Newsmax-OANN fascist crew do for the liberation of the P6 scene in the US.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2745718]Ask yourself this: what do you think those 87000 new IRS agents will be doing? Yup: harassing small cash-only businesses like strip bars and massage parlours whilst leaving big corporations and billionaires (who can afford to hire the best tax consultants and lawyers) alone.[/QUOTE]I did not know that the IRS will start auditing people in Europe.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2745718]I've been predicting this for quite some time: if you want to see the future of FKKs in Germany, look no further than leftwing Feminazi countries like Sweden.[/QUOTE]I remember your prediction about FKKs being closed all throughout 2021.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2745718]Yes and the irony is that American sex tourists still think that the European socialists and green eco-communists that are in power now will pave the way to an FKK Utopia. LOL!
Reality is that conservative governments (who were ideologically more in the political centre) who were in power decades ago are the best kind of governments for P6.
Biden and his crew of CNN-MSNBC Marxists have been in power for almost two years: what has significantly changed in the liberating the P6 scene in the USA? Nothing!
Ask yourself this: what do you think those 87000 new IRS agents will be doing? Yup: harassing small cash-only businesses like strip bars and massage parlours whilst leaving big corporations and billionaires (who can afford to hire the best tax consultants and lawyers) alone.
I've been predicting this for quite some time: if you want to see the future of FKKs in Germany, look no further than leftwing Feminazi countries like Sweden.[/QUOTE]Fortunately, no more crazy Trump to fight versus crazy Putin. Russia have to wake up and kill the dirty.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2745500]Nothing except river to wash my ass, when I don't need girls for. You can take a Wellcum room, a girl, and fuck her whole night. I was proposed by some Wellcum girls to spend the night together, but I prefer the river and the moon.[/QUOTE]Remind me David Bowie let s spend night together on Moonage Daydream. Much better than usual shit music in brothels, sometimes making me feel shame when hearing French Aya Nakamura or Gimms or Booba shit.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2745913]Fortunately, no more crazy Trump to fight versus crazy Putin. Russia have to wake up and kill the dirty.[/QUOTE]Vice President Kamela H. When she was an attorney general of California prosecuted the backpage company.
[URL]https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/attorney-general-kamala-d-harris-announces-criminal-charges-against-senior[/URL]
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2745870]Not sure what this has to do with the current thread, but in the same spirit one could ask what did Trump and his Fox-Newsmax-OANN fascist crew do for the liberation of the P6 scene in the US.
I did not know that the IRS will start auditing people in Europe.
I remember your prediction about FKKs being closed all throughout 2021.[/QUOTE]All those IRS agents making their salaries will probably start coming to Germany.
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Where to go for femdom?
Which FKK clubs (preferably in Frankfurt) are best for femdom? Not looking for super kinky latex stuff, just being tied up and then teased, edged, and post-orgasm tortured.
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[QUOTE=Shark16;2745106]Thanks. Wellcum really took me by surprise. Maybe I should add that I am not a regular at this club. But the visit was really amazing. Loved the line-up and ambience. Too bad the club is in the middle of nowhere. The travel is a hassle, and thus this club is not for everyone. And if you are a DFK fundamentalist, then this club is definitely not for you.[/QUOTE]Hey, any recommendations for a DFK fundamentalist LOL? Would really appreciate any help. Thanks!
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Deep French Kissing
[QUOTE=ArtVande;2750334]Hey, any recommendations for a DFK fundamentalist LOL? Would really appreciate any help. Thanks![/QUOTE]Well, you need to ask a DFK fundamentalist then and not me. ;-) But it's an interesting question though. Maybe others can chime in.
But; let me first tell you what a DFK fundamentalist is:
- he will avoid any girls asking money for kissing, because kissing is a natural part of good sex and should provided cost free by any decent provider.
- Kiss on the mouth without tongue does not qualify as kissing.
- Kissing with just the tip of your tongue is cheating and does not qualify as french kissing (just as LFK; Light French Kissing).
- DFK (Deep French Kissing) is kissing with tongue where tongue play is deep on both parties right from the get go and as much as you want as long as you want free of charge.
Historically Hessen and the NRW used to be strongholds for DFK fundamentalists where DFK were considered standard service free of charge and uncoditonally by 95% of the girls. While this slightly changed over the last 15 years, the law of 2017 and corona (2020- 21) definitively had a severe negative impact. DFK in its traditional form has been reduced to a small portion of girls in any line-up at any club, provided by some girls to all clients, by other girls to a chosen few (sympathy kissing), and by others only to those who pay, and some not at all. It has become a game of luck and charm. And while the normal price for DFK at any decent brothel in Europe is 0- 20 euros, the girls at the FKK clubs often quote ridiculously 50 E for DFK as an extra. Outrageous!
Personally I have still plenty of regulars at the Hessen clubs that LFK for free. That is good enough for me. I admit I paid 20- 30 E extra for LFK at a couple of Austrian clubs. Not my style, and if I make more frequent visits to Austria, I would repeat only with girls who LFK for free. I have also good experiences from Barcelona (but not so recent).
I hear some guys swear that DFK can only be found in some parts of the NRW. I know that is incorrect as a truth, but they still may have a point (my NRW experiences are limited and outdated). I am sure some here will claim Globe in Zurich, Switzerland is the only place to go, but with their outrageous prices they should be doing a lot more than DFK/DATY/BBBJ/CFS. IMHO.
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Thank You!
[QUOTE=Shark16;2750415]Well, you need to ask a DFK fundamentalist then and not me. ;-) But it's an interesting question though. Maybe others can chime in.
But; let me first tell you what a DFK fundamentalist is:
- he will avoid any girls asking money for kissing, because kissing is a natural part of good sex and should provided cost free by any decent provider.
- Kiss on the mouth without tongue does noe qualify as kissing.
- Kissing with just the tip of your tongue is cheating and does not qualify as french kissing (just as LFK; Light French Kissing).
- DFK (Deep French Kissing) is kissing with tongue where tongue play is deep on both parties right from the get go and as much as you want as long as you want free of charge.
Historically Hessen and the NRW used to be strongholds for DFK fundamentalists where DFK were considered standard service free of charge and uncoditonally by 95% of the girls. While this slightly changed over the last 15 years, the law of 2017 and corona (2020- 21) definitively had a severe negative impact on DFK services. DFK in its traditional form has been reduced to a small portion of girls in any line-up at any club, provided by some girls to all clients, by other girls to a chosen few (sympathy kissing), and by others only to those who pay, and some not at all. It has become a game of luck and charm. And while the normal price for DFK at any decent brothel in Europe is 0- 20 euros, the girls at the FKK clubs often quote ridiculously 50 E for DFK as an extra. Outrageous!
Personally I have still plenty of regulars at the Hessen clubs that LFK for free. That is good enough for me. I admit I paid 20- 30 E extra for LFK at a couple of Austrian clubs. Not my style, and if I make more frequent visits to Austria, I would repeat only with girls who LFK for free.
I hear some guys swear that DFK can only be found in some parts of the NRW. I know that is incorrect as a truth, but they still may have a point (my NRW experiences are limited and outdated). I am sure some here will claim Globe in Zurich, Switzerland is the only place to go, but with their outrageous prices they should be doing a lot more than DFK/DATY/BBBJ/CFS. IMHO.[/QUOTE]Haha, makes sense. Thanks very much for the definition and for the detailed information, Shark16! Appreciate it. From your definition, looks like I have been getting LFK without issues and without having to pay extra so far, but the sound of DFK is really nice LOL and would love to get that if I can. I ensure that I have good oral hygiene and make sure I have no bad breath, but DFK sounds really nice. Hope I can find someone who provide it. Would appreciate if others could chime in.
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[QUOTE=Shark16;2750415]Well, you need to ask a DFK fundamentalist then and not me. ;-) But it's an interesting question though. Maybe others can chime in.
But; let me first tell you what a DFK fundamentalist is:
- he will avoid any girls asking money for kissing, because kissing is a natural part of good sex and should provided cost free by any decent provider.
- Kiss on the mouth without tongue does noe qualify as kissing.
- Kissing with just the tip of your tongue is cheating and does not qualify as french kissing (just as LFK; Light French Kissing).
- DFK (Deep French Kissing) is kissing with tongue where tongue play is deep on both parties right from the get go and as much as you want as long as you want free of charge.
Historically Hessen and the NRW used to be strongholds for DFK fundamentalists where DFK were considered standard service free of charge and uncoditonally by 95% of the girls. While this slightly changed over the last 15 years, the law of 2017 and corona (2020- 21) definitively had a severe negative impact. DFK in its traditional form has been reduced to a small portion of girls in any line-up at any club, provided by some girls to all clients, by other girls to a chosen few (sympathy kissing), and by others only to those who pay, and some not at all. It has become a game of luck and charm. And while the normal price for DFK at any decent brothel in Europe is 0- 20 euros, the girls at the FKK clubs often quote ridiculously 50 E for DFK as an extra. Outrageous!
Personally I have still plenty of regulars at the Hessen clubs that LFK for free. That is good enough for me. I admit I paid 20- 30 E extra for LFK at a couple of Austrian clubs. Not my style, and if I make more frequent visits to Austria, I would repeat only with girls who LFK for free. I have also good experiences from Barcelona (but not so recent).
I hear some guys swear that DFK can only be found in some parts of the NRW. I know that is incorrect as a truth, but they still may have a point (my NRW experiences are limited and outdated). I am sure some here will claim Globe in Zurich, Switzerland is the only place to go, but with their outrageous prices they should be doing a lot more than DFK/DATY/BBBJ/CFS. IMHO.[/QUOTE]Maybe you should first learn french definition for real french kiss, when just on lips is not french kiss. No GFE without french kiss, when never had sex with a girlfriend without french kissing. No rule for me about Hessen vs NRW for french kissing, just many asking expensive withour french kissing in Hessen.
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Haa DFK
[QUOTE=ArtVande;2750423]Haha, makes sense. Thanks very much for the definition and for the detailed information, Shark16! Appreciate it. From your definition, looks like I have been getting LFK without issues and without having to pay extra so far, but the sound of DFK is really nice LOL and would love to get that if I can. I ensure that I have good oral hygiene and make sure I have no bad breath, but DFK sounds really nice. Hope I can find someone who provide it. Would appreciate if others could chime in.[/QUOTE]If you want the true and best DFK, I suggest you come to California, then visit Korean girls. IMO, they are the best at DFK, and it is part of their regular service. No half hour session BS! Every session is at least an hour.
Also, these days you can meet Korean working girls everywhere, even in Europe.
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[QUOTE=Lefeu;2750438]If you want the true and best DFK, I suggest you come to California, then visit Korean girls. IMO, they are the best at DFK, and it is part of their regular service. No half hour session BS! Every session is at least an hour.
Also, these days you can meet Korean working girls everywhere, even in Europe.[/QUOTE]Wow, California of all places. Would not have guessed I can get it at home LOL. Thanks so much Lefeu!
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Is Early February a good time to visit FKK Land?
I normally fly over to FKK land either in May, September or October. Have been to FKK land in early February. I know the weather is cold. Just want to know if girls have normally returned after their Christmas Vacation?
Many Thanks.
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[QUOTE=DaWong949;2756139]I normally fly over to FKK land either in May, September or October. Have been to FKK land in early February. I know the weather is cold. Just want to know if girls have normally returned after their Christmas Vacation?[/QUOTE]February is fine.
The clubs normally got fewer girls from the middle of December to the middle of January, and particular the clubs are "empty" for girls (and full of guys) the Christmas and New Year days. 5 - 15 January the clubs are empty for men, which can be a good thing from a gent's pov. 20th January everything is back to normal.
I am loving May, September and October, too! Although, there is a tendency that girls up their prices during the big exhibitions in September. Just saying.
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Looking for solid info
I'll be in Essen next week and I'm wondering if there are any clubs that you guys can recommend. I'm willing to jump on a train for an hour if necessary. This will be my first FKK experience, so I'm looking to go to a club that gives the full FKK experience (rather than a nightclub feel). Thanks in advance.
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[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2759221]I'll be in Essen next week and I'm wondering if there are any clubs that you guys can recommend. I'm willing to jump on a train for an hour if necessary. This will be my first FKK experience, so I'm looking to go to a club that gives the full FKK experience (rather than a nightclub feel). Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Around Essen NRW, Penelope. Not full naked, but You will see a lot of flesh. Entry 30/35 and girls for 40/60 per 30 . Ada is pretty.
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Is it possible to live in FKK for 24 x7 ?
I want to know, If someone want spend one week all day and night 24 x7 in FKK. Is it possible?
Buy paying more or Some VIP arrangement are there in FKK?
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[QUOTE=Hs2017;2759407]I want to know, If someone want spend one week all day and night 24 x7 in FKK. Is it possible?
Buy paying more or Some VIP arrangement are there in FKK?[/QUOTE]I am not quite sure whether this is a serious question or not.
Anyway in general, You must leave by the closing time e.g around 3am weekdays or 5am during the weekend.
Possible by paying more or Some VIP arrangement? It might be yes, might be not. Possible, if you are preparing to pay what they ask and if they have the spare room to accommodate your overnight.
On the other hand they might refuse it due to security reason. But everything could be negotiated depend how much you are going to pay. But I have not heard anyone has done that.
Keep in mind if a party does not normally do that, it will need a huge incentive to make them do it.
But my guess is that you are at least need to pay an overpriced accommodation + daily entry. You could call them and ask.
You might be better off to book accommodation by yourself close to FKK you are going to visit and go there every single day.
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For fans
Mio. De is back at Globe. Austrian Aylin ex Bruggen who put silicon when she had big naturals is at Sharks. Andrea. Ro ex Bruggen is at Sharks. Sylvana is 72 yo and walk kilometers for about 16 hours per day.
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[QUOTE=Adindas;2759593]I am not quite sure whether this is a serious question or not.
Anyway in general, You must leave by the closing time e.g around 3am weekdays or 5am during the weekend.
Possible by paying more or Some VIP arrangement? It might be yes, might be not. Possible, if you are preparing to pay what they ask and if they have the spare room to accommodate your overnight.
On the other hand they might refuse it due to security reason. But everything could be negotiated depend how much you are going to pay. But I have not heard anyone has done that.
Keep in mind if a party does not normally do that, it will need a huge incentive to make them do it.
But my guess is that you are at least need to pay an overpriced accommodation + daily entry. You could call them and ask.
You might be better off to book accommodation by yourself close to FKK you are going to visit and go there every single day.[/QUOTE]You might also create zoning or licensing problems. If an FKK is in a commercial zone, staying overnight and paying for it might be considered as the FKK having a "hotel" status. This would trigger all sorts of licensing and inspection requirements from local authorities and could result in the FKK being fined for violating zoning laws. I know, here in the USA, that the easiest way to shut down an Asian massage parlor is to uncover evidence that one or more of the girls are living there. The AMP violated their occupancy permit by establishing a "residence" in a commercially-zoned location.
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[QUOTE=Hs2017;2759407]I want to know, If someone want spend one week all day and night 24 x7 in FKK. Is it possible?
Buy paying more or Some VIP arrangement are there in FKK?[/QUOTE]Pre-covid, you could book a room in FKK World for 100 euros per night. These are the well-decorated ground floor rooms. I had stayed there for a few successive nights previously. They provide new sheets, 1-2 pillows, and a thick duvet. The room is also cleaned and aired before you take it over at closing time, and you can stay in till opening time.
Considering that the taxi fare to World each way is about 25 euros, and that you are unlikely to get a decent hotel for less than 60 euros, it is actually a good deal.
I do not know whether it is still possible now, but last month one of my regular girls told me it still is, and tried to persuade me to book a room for an overnight session with her again.
By the way, I used to pay the girls who stayed with me from 5am till 10am 500 euros.
Anyway, the line ups in World in the afternoons now are quite dismal, so it is not worth staying many days there unless you have a regular you are besotted with.
FKK Oase has VIP rooms in their annex that you can book for overnight stay, but as they are very very expensive, I have not tried.
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[QUOTE=Hs2017;2759407]I want to know, If someone want spend one week all day and night 24 x7 in FKK. Is it possible?
Buy paying more or Some VIP arrangement are there in FKK?[/QUOTE]You can pay to sleep in room and in bed where everybody fuck with wet and smell. Possible in some clubs. Hotel at Wellcum and You can take girls to your room, You just have to pay or seduce.
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Clubs could be again under covid restrictions. Let s see.
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RMV app
I used to have RMV app on my old phone. On my new iPhone 14,when I google for rmv app, it give me a lot of different one. All I need is to check train. Bus schedule and make purchase on it.
Can someone advise me which app I should use for Frankfurt area?
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Still worth going?
I have never been to an FKK in my life and have always wanted to go to one. However with covid it seems like prices for these places have increased a lot and quality seems to decreased (from what I have observed from skimming and lurking). Is it still worth going out of your way to visit an FKK from the US? How reasonable is it to say have a girl for 50 euros for half an hour.
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The consensus
[QUOTE=DigLicker;2783512]I have never been to an FKK in my life and have always wanted to go to one. However with covid it seems like prices for these places have increased a lot and quality seems to decreased (from what I have observed from skimming and lurking). Is it still worth going out of your way to visit an FKK from the US? How reasonable is it to say have a girl for 50 euros for half an hour.[/QUOTE]The consensus is that the clubs aren't as good as they were pre-covid, that said most USA Visitors still find their first venture to meet or exceed expectations. As for prices, most Frankfurt area clubs the girls standard rate is 100 for 30 minutes and 150 for 60. Rates at clubs further afield vary but are generally 50 for 30 minutes as a guideline.
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[QUOTE=DaWong949;2783401]I used to have RMV app on my old phone. On my new iPhone 14,when I google for rmv app, it give me a lot of different one. All I need is to check train. Bus schedule and make purchase on it.
Can someone advise me which app I should use for Frankfurt area?[/QUOTE]You want the DB Navigator app, you have everything (train, bus, tramway, metro) from every citty in Germany.
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[QUOTE=DigLicker;2783512]I have never been to an FKK in my life and have always wanted to go to one. However with covid it seems like prices for these places have increased a lot and quality seems to decreased (from what I have observed from skimming and lurking). Is it still worth going out of your way to visit an FKK from the US? How reasonable is it to say have a girl for 50 euros for half an hour.[/QUOTE]No, is the short answer.
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[QUOTE=DaWong949;2783401]I used to have RMV app on my old phone. On my new iPhone 14,when I google for rmv app, it give me a lot of different one. All I need is to check train. Bus schedule and make purchase on it.
Can someone advise me which app I should use for Frankfurt area?[/QUOTE]I've always used www.bahn.de. They have German and English versions and a pretty good phone app.
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Paris protests, travel disruptions
If somebody needs to travel thru France (and has other options) I would advise against it. There was a strike on January 19 (one protester lost a testicle) and another one today.
[QUOTE]Most Paris metro and suburban rail services were severely restricted, the capital's transport operator RATP said.
Intercity travel was also disrupted, with just one in three high-speed trains likely to run, railway company SNCF predicted.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/france-braces-disruption-more-pension-032824932.html
[/QUOTE]It seems most of the world does not have much sympathy for the plight of the French workers, and feel Macron's raising of the statutory retirement age from 62 to 64 is perfectly reasonable. Anyway the battle could draw out for months.
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Really lucky to live in France
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2785179]If somebody needs to travel thru France (and has other options) I would advise against it. There was a strike on January 19 (one protester lost a testicle) and another one today.
It seems most of the world does not have much sympathy for the plight of the French workers, and feel Macron's raising of the statutory retirement age from 62 to 64 is perfectly reasonable. Anyway the battle could draw out for months.[/QUOTE]When you learned arithmetics at school and understand people get older and older, so France need to pay retirements longer and longer, so, need to follow other European countries to postpone retirement, just arithmetics, when France is the best when you are sick or for retirement. When I will need to work for 44 years, with retirement not far before 70 yo, but I prefer to keep on working as long I m able to sell my expertise. I just would like a bit more free time for my bicycle and ski, when I wonder if I will still be able to climb legendary Zoncolan, or jump in la Grave la Meije Chancel lake corridor or Mont Gelé Verbier side after 70 yo. When was born, 100% french from generations, I love my little France, number 1 for tourism, meaning the most interesting country. Of course, no FKK and escorts level fell, and so stressing to drive on french autobahns, but driving more than 1000 kms for my week ends is ok for me.
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Retirement
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2785179]If somebody needs to travel thru France (and has other options) I would advise against it. There was a strike on January 19 (one protester lost a testicle) and another one today. It seems most of the world does not have much sympathy for the plight of the French workers, and feel Macron's raising of the statutory retirement age from 62 to 64 is perfectly reasonable. Anyway the battle could draw out for months.[/QUOTE]I don't know the ins and outs of the French system, but why can't they do something like what the US does? If somebody wants to retire early at 62 OK then, and they get a reduced Social Security payment. And the longer they delay drawing on Social Security, the more their monthly payment will be until it maxes out at age 70. How does the French system match up with that? Retire at 62 and get a reduced monthly payment. And delay drawing on the system and get a larger payout. Seems a reasonable approach to me. In the US we can still draw on Social Security as soon as age 62 and get a reduced payment. If they were to change that to 64 then that would piss me off too! I would want my financial freedom sooner rather than later, and every year and dollar counts towards that!
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2785548]I don't know the ins and outs of the French system, but why can't they do something like what the US does? If somebody wants to retire early at 62 OK then, and they get a reduced Social Security payment. And the longer they delay drawing on Social Security, the more their monthly payment will be until it maxes out at age 70. How does the French system match up with that? Retire at 62 and get a reduced monthly payment. And delay drawing on the system and get a larger payout. Seems a reasonable approach to me. In the US we can still draw on Social Security as soon as age 62 and get a reduced payment. If they were to change that to 64 then that would piss me off too! I would want my financial freedom sooner rather than later, and every year and dollar counts towards that![/QUOTE]Retirement is when older in some other European countries. Yes, You can retire a bit earlier, with only part of income, when I will prefer to work longer rather than 60% income for retirement. Work make health as a french song, as long my performing brain will be able. Even I killed very badly my heart under very high heat on last Summer, but my sports make me feel so young, like sex and making cumming in 20's natural beauty, jouvence fountain, to work til at least 70 , when business won t find another warrior mercenary like me.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2785548]I don't know the ins and outs of the French system, but why can't they do something like what the US does? If somebody wants to retire early at 62 OK then, and they get a reduced Social Security payment. And the longer they delay drawing on Social Security, the more their monthly payment will be until it maxes out at age 70. How does the French system match up with that? Retire at 62 and get a reduced monthly payment. And delay drawing on the system and get a larger payout. Seems a reasonable approach to me. In the US we can still draw on Social Security as soon as age 62 and get a reduced payment. If they were to change that to 64 then that would piss me off too! I would want my financial freedom sooner rather than later, and every year and dollar counts towards that![/QUOTE]I think currently at 62 they get the full first pillar pension (France has a 3 pillar system) , but they need as well 42 years of contribution to the pension fund. I wonder how that works for somebody who was studying until they were 25.
Personally, the second I can apply for early retirement in Switzerland (58) I will do it.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2785675]I think currently at 62 they get the full first pillar pension (France has a 3 pillar system) , but they need as well 42 years of contribution to the pension fund. I wonder how that works for somebody who was studying until they were 25.
Personally, the second I can apply for early retirement in Switzerland (58) I will do it.[/QUOTE]Due to my studies and army, I started to work on full time job at 25 and should have to work for 44 years to get full retirement, but no problem for me when I love my job which is easy for my potential and I prefer to get my job income than retirement. On my retiring age, I will just ask to get 10 weeks for my holidays versus 5 now, for my beloved sports. I m happy to live and work in France.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2785794]Due to my studies and army, I started to work on full time job at 25 and should have to work for 44 years to get full retirement, but no problem for me when I love my job which is easy for my potential and I prefer to get my job income than retirement. On my retiring age, I will just ask to get 10 weeks for my holidays versus 5 now, for my beloved sports. I m happy to live and work in France.[/QUOTE]At the moment, need to work for 43 years or to retire at 67 yo for full retirement. But when more and more numerous old living older and older, I should have to work for 44 years, but no problem when I prefer to work as long I will be able, just needing free time for my sports and to prepare a interesting car like I just did. Despite biggest tax, but our life is so much better than in China or Russia or Romania, or Ukraine unfortunately for them. But more and more people just become too lazy, they want more and more money but don t want to work, when since I work, I always heard: how much money You make for us and how much You cost us, maybe why they pay my S5 versus my results.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2785794]Due to my studies and army, I started to work on full time job at 25 and should have to work for 44 years to get full retirement, but no problem for me when I love my job which is easy for my potential and I prefer to get my job income than retirement. On my retiring age, I will just ask to get 10 weeks for my holidays versus 5 now, for my beloved sports. I m happy to live and work in France.[/QUOTE]I thought that in France you get more vacation days. I got 5 weeks when I started, soon I get 6 weeks of vacation per year, but my employer gives more than the legal minimum. As well, I get another 3 months paid sabbatical soon, but that's another story.
Good for you that you enjoy your work. As for me, while I don't hate my work, I work to live, I don't live to work. Personally I enjoy my hobbies and time spent with friends and family more than work, so I am looking forward to retirement. I am happy that 28 years of work in Switzerland and some half decent investments will be more than enough to finance my retirement without cuts in my standard of living. Half of the people in Switzerland retire early because they can afford it.
Back to the original subject, if people really depend on their first pension pillar, then retirement sucks for them.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2785179]If somebody needs to travel thru France (and has other options) I would advise against it. There was a strike on January 19 (one protester lost a testicle) and another one today.
It seems most of the world does not have much sympathy for the plight of the French workers, and feel Macron's raising of the statutory retirement age from 62 to 64 is perfectly reasonable. Anyway the battle could draw out for months.[/QUOTE]People need to start wearing cups to protests these days.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2785548]In the US we can still draw on Social Security as soon as age 62 and get a reduced payment. If they were to change that to 64 then that would piss me off too! I would want my financial freedom sooner rather than later, and every year and dollar counts towards that![/QUOTE]Americans (except for the poorest) have other sources of retirement income aside from the first pillar (Social Security). Low and middle income earners in France depend on the first pillar to a much larger extent.
Mandatory employee and employer pension contributions are much higher in France, so French save very little on their own. Only Italy and Czech Rep contribute more: [URL]https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/d164cfc6-en/index.html?itemId=/content/component/d164cfc6-en[/URL].
[QUOTE]In France, the total savings held in retirement plans is equal to 12 percent of gross domestic product. In the U.S., by contrast, pension plan assets are worth 150 percent of GDP, over 12 times greater.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewbiggs/2023/02/02/french-lessons-for-the-us-on-social-security-reform
[/QUOTE][B]France is the most indebted nation in Europe[/B]: [URL]https://www.cmegroup.com/insights/economic-research/2022/is-france-at-risk-of-a-debt-crisis.html[/URL].
[QUOTE]France has the third highest debts in the world, a huge structural deficit and an ageing population that refuses to work for longer. When Macron backs down on pensions as he inevitably will investors will realise that the country's social model is unsustainable and they aren't going to get their money back. And the fallout from that will get very ugly.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/01/30/collapse-confidence-macrons-france-will-brutal-sudden/
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2785794]Due to my studies and army, I started to work on full time job at 25 and should have to work for 44 years to get full retirement, but no problem for me when I love my job which is easy for my potential and I prefer to get my job income than retirement. On my retiring age, I will just ask to get 10 weeks for my holidays versus 5 now, for my beloved sports. I m happy to live and work in France.[/QUOTE]Just come to the USA where people can retire at any age and be homeless.
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Most underrated FKK
Hi, fellow mongers,
I don't have much experience of FKK activity, only been to two clubs in Hamburg. Planning another trip to Germany but don't want to visit the huge mainstream FKKs like Artemis and Sharks. I 'd like to visit a smaller club which still has good service and classy women. Which one would you guys suggest? Appreciate your help.
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[QUOTE=Milfotronic;2787360]Hi, fellow mongers,
I don't have much experience of FKK activity, only been to two clubs in Hamburg. Planning another trip to Germany but don't want to visit the huge mainstream FKKs like Artemis and Sharks. I 'd like to visit a smaller club which still has good service and classy women. Which one would you guys suggest? Appreciate your help.[/QUOTE]Classy are very rare in FKK land. I advice You Sixens NL close to Aachen with HH for entry. Good foods and SPA. Some good girls like 1,80 model Lea. De coming from escorting, cute GFE Ramona.
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[QUOTE=DrPoon;2786128]Just come to the USA where people can retire at any age and be homeless.[/QUOTE]What American dream. When I won t be anymore able to work, when I would like to work as old I will be able, when I own my big house, but I would like to make a hole in my beloved mountains to live like kind of bear.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2787845]What American dream. When I won t be anymore able to work, when I would like to work as old I will be able, when I own my big house, but I would like to make a hole in my beloved mountains to live like kind of bear.[/QUOTE]Half the American workforce earns less that $15 per hour. Whereas to afford an apartment on needs to earn $28 per hour. And to afford a house in the USA one needs to earn $50 per hour at least. Most people live in slums in the USA and no work because they are trying to avoid being shot by gang members and government opression.
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[QUOTE=DrPoon;2788043]Half the American workforce earns less that $15 per hour. Whereas to afford an apartment on needs to earn $28 per hour. And to afford a house in the USA one needs to earn $50 per hour at least. Most people live in slums in the USA and no work because they are trying to avoid being shot by gang members and government opression.[/QUOTE]In Texas, seem basic workers make 20000 USD monthly in petrol business, seem not bad without high education level, more than double income than median in Zurich city. I m happy with my job in France. When retirement is at 67 in Germany, no problem for me to go til 70 . In France, some have house for week end, in Russia they have datchas, I have FKK land for my week ends when I don t ski or bicycle climb.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2788148]In Texas, seem basic workers make 20000 USD monthly in petrol business, seem not bad without high education level, more than double income than median in Zurich city. I m happy with my job in France. When retirement is at 67 in Germany, no problem for me to go til 70 . In France, some have house for week end, in Russia they have datchas, I have FKK land for my week ends when I don t ski or bicycle climb.[/QUOTE]You have been sold a bill of goods by the USA propaganda machine. I can assure you most definitely that the basic workers make nowhere near $20,000 USD per month!
In fact the minimum wage in Texas is $8.50 per hour!
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[QUOTE=DrPoon;2788287]You have been sold a bill of goods by the USA propaganda machine. I can assure you most definitely that the basic workers make nowhere near $20,000 USD per month!
In fact the minimum wage in Texas is $8.50 per hour![/QUOTE]Working in petrol industry, coming from everywhere in US to Texas.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2788366]Working in petrol industry, coming from everywhere in US to Texas.[/QUOTE]If you can post a link for a petrol job in Texas for $20,000 per month I will apply for it ASAP.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2788366]Working in petrol industry, coming from everywhere in US to Texas.[/QUOTE]The salary reported by ziprecruiter is $60,000 and requires outside in the fumes and sun. This is not sun like in Europe it is pretty much 10 times stronger UV rays.
[URL]https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Oil-Field-Salary--in-Texas[/URL]
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[QUOTE=DrPoon;2788449]The salary reported by ziprecruiter is $60,000 and requires outside in the fumes and sun. This is not sun like in Europe it is pretty much 10 times stronger UV rays.
[URL]https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Oil-Field-Salary--in-Texas[/URL][/QUOTE]The USA was meant to have Afros work outside jobs which is why the original tobacco and plantation system as whites get a red neck and need to be in the shade.
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Question, fully nude clubs in North West Rhinephalia
Can roughly list the names of the fully nude clubs in NWR? I can think of Babylon, Elsdorf, Luderland, Luderlounge and Grimberg. Are there any others?
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There aren't any?
[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;2788716]Can roughly list the names of the fully nude clubs in NWR? I can think of Babylon, Elsdorf, Luderland, Luderlounge and Grimberg. Are there any others?[/QUOTE]My limited experience is that seeing nude girls walking around in NRW FKK's is rare, I think fully nude is much more likely in Hessen. Others with up to date knowledge will confirm either way.
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[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;2788716]Can roughly list the names of the fully nude clubs in NWR? I can think of Babylon, Elsdorf, Luderland, Luderlounge and Grimberg. Are there any others?[/QUOTE]Bernds, sauna club Venus not RTC villa Venus. All RTC, many in NRW.
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[QUOTE=Abox79;2788830]My limited experience is that seeing nude girls walking around in NRW FKK's is rare, I think fully nude is much more likely in Hessen. Others with up to date knowledge will confirm either way.[/QUOTE]Many are not anymore full naked now in Hessen, at Sharks and Oase.
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Villa Venus
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2788910]Bernds, sauna club Venus not RTC villa Venus. All RTC, many in NRW.[/QUOTE]Villa Venus in Duisburg? Not sure what you meant, is this an RTC or like Sauna Club Venus?
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[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;2789072]Villa Venus in Duisburg? Not sure what you meant, is this an RTC or like Sauna Club Venus?[/QUOTE]Sauna club Venus and RTC Villa Venus are different. Both will full naked girls, when more and more rare in Hessen.
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USA Sun Conditions
A Mexican American reports the sun is really strong in the USA:
[URL]https://youtu.be/TAQd5_ZFlqo?t=379[/URL]
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FKK land after covid
On 2020 , really enjoyed a multi orgasmic German ex Artemis at Globe for 140 per 30 and really liked GT Vienna where I went for Anita ex Bruggen, with wow discovery of Iranian Sepid.
On 2021 , Sharks was really good with many 100/60 GFE rooms.
2022 was my German year with many great Germans. Sharks improved on end of year with discovery of charming frenchie.
2023 started really good, still with frenchie, I really enjoyed Carmen at Amesia even not wow Nayla. Ch and now found a wow Italian for 130/60 in NRW.
I would say I still find at least same quality than before covid when I increased my expectations under covid becoming more picky than before, and higher level than most escorts now in Paris. Worthing the drive, when Germans are now so slow, needing to race technique kick in brakes when twice faster than most, ski shoes jumping from the back crashing in front seats, really violent, but fat heavy Milo Venus V8 make brakes too warm with high vibrations if not kicking like this, when Germans are too slow. Still very enjoyable FKK and have to try to stay on the track.
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For fans, German manga Mio is on tour at Globe. Lovely and cute face.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2788366]Working in petrol industry, coming from everywhere in US to Texas.[/QUOTE]Still waiting for the example job posting of "basic worker" for 20 k per month.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2795147]Still waiting for the example job posting of "basic worker" for 20 k per month.[/QUOTE]Look on your internet about salaries in petrol business in Texas.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2795223]Look on your internet about salaries in petrol business in Texas.[/QUOTE]I didn't find anything even close to "basic worker" for USD 20 k per month. I am sure you found some before and can prove me wrong.
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[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2717054]Inflation yes, but nothing else that I know of went up 100%, not even gasoline.[/QUOTE]Agree with EA on this, prices are BSC after the kung flu, as if the 2017 law didn't F things up quite enough. Sharks prices almost comparable to Globe at this point? Then why risk Sharks bad service when you can get solid service at Globe? Peruse the German boards, service is a flop at Sharks somewhere between 25 to 40 percent of the time. Ouch. BTW, the German OP with the lengthy 2017 diatribe supra is full of shit. Yes, 2017 did FU the FKK scene quite a bit, but that does not explain how the OP at GT successfully held the line for price / performance until the covi--the closure. I've heard elsewhere that it was SPs that were responsible for the GT success model. They held the line on prices / service because they wanted access to its particular clientele that the club drew in from NE and BEL. Maybe BS, maybe not.
Separate Q for EA, didn't you crash a Venus club in the NRW? Was it the one in Duisburg or Hamminkeln?
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[QUOTE=Clodius1;2806466]Agree with EA on this, prices are BSC after the kung flu, as if the 2017 law didn't F things up quite enough. Sharks prices almost comparable to Globe at this point? Then why risk Sharks bad service when you can get solid service at Globe? Peruse the German boards, service is a flop at Sharks somewhere between 25 to 40 percent of the time. Ouch. BTW, the German OP with the lengthy 2017 diatribe supra is full of shit. Yes, 2017 did FU the FKK scene quite a bit, but that does not explain how the OP at GT successfully held the line for price / performance until the covi--the closure. I've heard elsewhere that it was SPs that were responsible for the GT success model. They held the line on prices / service because they wanted access to its particular clientele that the club drew in from NE and BEL. Maybe BS, maybe not.
Separate Q for EA, didn't you crash a Venus club in the NRW? Was it the one in Duisburg or Hamminkeln?[/QUOTE]When You really experienced, You know 2017 law didn t change anything else than registration for girls. If I go to RTC today, I will get BBBJ, FK and AO for 30€ . Also, I prefer Sharks and Oase and Freubad than Globe now. Why? Because I find prettier girls and even at Freubad on Sunday evening after my extreme runs in Verbier Monts Gelé and Fort, than now at Globe and I don t need rules to play my game with girls when I m probably one of those who push them deepest in their intimacy when real french kiss and DATY to make them cum are more intimate for most girls than BBBJ or even AO fucking, maybe why some turned mad when we stop, when they came weekly to me to repeat. But in brothels, I only marry faithful for the good, not for the bad, even I m the most faithful as long getting pleasure. From my weekly subjective experiences. Germany is best potential with Freubad. Ch with HH 199/60 , for me.
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[QUOTE=Clodius1;2806466]Agree with EA on this, prices are BSC after the kung flu, as if the 2017 law didn't F things up quite enough. Sharks prices almost comparable to Globe at this point? Then why risk Sharks bad service when you can get solid service at Globe? Peruse the German boards, service is a flop at Sharks somewhere between 25 to 40 percent of the time. Ouch. BTW, the German OP with the lengthy 2017 diatribe supra is full of shit. Yes, 2017 did FU the FKK scene quite a bit, but that does not explain how the OP at GT successfully held the line for price / performance until the covi--the closure. I've heard elsewhere that it was SPs that were responsible for the GT success model. They held the line on prices / service because they wanted access to its particular clientele that the club drew in from NE and BEL. Maybe BS, maybe not.
Separate Q for EA, didn't you crash a Venus club in the NRW? Was it the one in Duisburg or Hamminkeln?[/QUOTE]The one in Hamminkeln. Great little club with a small line up and clean amenities. Service always reliable. The owner keeps a tight leash on the girls' service standards much like the managers of former GoldenTime.
I think many mongers would agree with you that 2017 was a significant year that changed the FKK landscape for the worse. Many girls asking for a BBBJ upcharge was only one consequence. The bigger one was that registration heavily dampened the supply of new talent coming in. Less fresh talent so less fresh girls who have not already separated personal enjoyment of sex versus turning off that switch when in a room with a customer. Average age of girls have gone up and with that, average expectation of income where before 19-20 year old girls were happy finishing the day a couple hundred euros on top. As girls get older, their expectation of a good earning day goes up. Lastly, even less Germans and other western European girls than before. Only German girls now are the trashy ones. I even remember there being a Dutch girl in 2017.
While COVID had more of an impact on price, I think 2017 laws had more of an impact on the trajectory of the FKK experience.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2806575]When You really experienced, You know 2017 law didn t change anything else than registration for girls. If I go to RTC today, I will get BBBJ, FK and AO for 30 . Also, I prefer Sharks and Oase and Freubad than Globe now. Why? Because I find prettier girls and even at Freubad on Sunday evening after my extreme runs in Verbier Monts Gel and Fort, than now at Globe and I don t need rules to play my game with girls when I m probably one of those who push them deepest in their intimacy when real french kiss and DATY to make them cum are more intimate for most girls than BBBJ or even AO fucking, maybe why some turned mad when we stop, when they came weekly to me to repeat. But in brothels, I only marry faithful for the good, not for the bad, even I m the most faithful as long getting pleasure. From my weekly subjective experiences. Germany is best potential with Freubad. Ch with HH 199/60 , for me.[/QUOTE]2017 law was the death of the "club rate. " Sure, some front desks still whispered the "expected rates" to new guests post 2017, but it was already the beginning of the end. Now post covid it's the Wild West in DE FKKs. That's fine if you're a local and can ferret out the bad SPs, but for international mongers it's def more difficult than before. As for Switzerland, it's still the land of milk and honey, with posted tagesplan and club rates. Is there variation is service in Switzerland? You bet. Globe is great 95 percent of the time. Cleo was a bust for me. Sex park was good but not perfect. I haven't done Freubad yet but hopefully soon. Actually, my next trip will focus on smaller boutique clubs closer to NRW, hunting for new gems. So many casualties PSR, LR, GT, DV, bummer.
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[QUOTE=Clodius1;2806683]2017 law was the death of the "club rate. " Sure, some front desks still whispered the "expected rates" to new guests post 2017, but it was already the beginning of the end. Now post covid it's the Wild West in DE FKKs. That's fine if you're a local and can ferret out the bad SPs, but for international mongers it's def more difficult than before. As for Switzerland, it's still the land of milk and honey, with posted tagesplan and club rates. Is there variation is service in Switzerland? You bet. Globe is great 95 percent of the time. Cleo was a bust for me. Sex park was good but not perfect. I haven't done Freubad yet but hopefully soon. Actually, my next trip will focus on smaller boutique clubs closer to NRW, hunting for new gems. So many casualties PSR, LR, GT, DV, bummer.[/QUOTE]Such falling quality for looks and real fresh GFE at Globe for increased too expensive rate, when, even not a local, but I find higher quality and prettier girls in Germany for less expensive, when I don't need Globe rules and hate public sex killing my desire when I see a piece of meat fucked. I highered my expectations since covid and find on my standard.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2806734]Such falling quality for looks and real fresh GFE at Globe for increased too expensive rate, when, even not a local, but I find higher quality and prettier girls in Germany for less expensive, when I don't need Globe rules and hate public sex killing my desire when I see a piece of meat fucked. I highered my expectations since covid and find on my standard.[/QUOTE]Two points. One, I agree that the public sex thing is an interesting thing to see once in your life, but personally it's not for me. Two, you can be a master negotiator on the couch and still get shafted, so to speak, in the zimmer with promises made but not kept by the SP. In Globe, you can talk to the desk and the girls will take note. Two many complaints and they are kaputt. In Germany, well, post-2017, you're just screwed. The club OPs aren't going to lift a finger. That's why the locals are still doing okay through networking and trial and error every weekend, but the international mongers are wading into a mine field. I'm still going to DE but the hunt for ZK at a reasonable rate is def trickier these days.
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Kaput!
[QUOTE=Clodius1;2807000]Two points. One, I agree that the public sex thing is an interesting thing to see once in your life, but personally it's not for me. Two, you can be a master negotiator on the couch and still get shafted, so to speak, in the zimmer with promises made but not kept by the SP. In Globe, you can talk to the desk and the girls will take note. Two many complaints and they are kaputt. In Germany, well, post-2017, you're just screwed. The club OPs aren't going to lift a finger. That's why the locals are still doing okay through networking and trial and error every weekend, but the international mongers are wading into a mine field. I'm still going to DE but the hunt for ZK at a reasonable rate is def trickier these days.[/QUOTE]My hope is to make just one more big trip to "Germongery" post-pandemic. And after that I think I will be done with Germany in favor of Brazil for mongering and discovering countries that I have not been to before for both mongering and non-mongering purposes. I just can't see continuing to go to Germany when I have Brazil. But before I call it quits, I need to have that last final hurrah! I'm going to do it up too with an epic trip in the works.
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[QUOTE=Clodius1;2807000]Two points. One, I agree that the public sex thing is an interesting thing to see once in your life, but personally it's not for me. Two, you can be a master negotiator on the couch and still get shafted, so to speak, in the zimmer with promises made but not kept by the SP. In Globe, you can talk to the desk and the girls will take note. Two many complaints and they are kaputt. In Germany, well, post-2017, you're just screwed. The club OPs aren't going to lift a finger. That's why the locals are still doing okay through networking and trial and error every weekend, but the international mongers are wading into a mine field. I'm still going to DE but the hunt for ZK at a reasonable rate is def trickier these days.[/QUOTE]A bad guy like me don't need to cry on desk, I never did at Bruggen, nor Globe, when I prefer to play to get from girls and I prefer full natural beauties able for fresh GFE than porn at Globe when rules there don't help for fresh GFE, but more robots following rules. Ekaterina who is a star at Globe, queen for putting her tongue in my throat and deeply BBBJ my more than 3 times size, but not GFE enough for me, so I didn't repeat, when I find higher level for less expensive in Germany. I'm not a local, but success depend on profiles you choose, when I don't go with porn dolls, nor prostitute images.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2807065]A bad guy like me don't need to cry on desk, I never did at Bruggen, nor Globe, when I prefer to play to get from girls and I prefer full natural beauties able for fresh GFE than porn at Globe when rules there don't help for fresh GFE, but more robots following rules. Ekaterina who is a star at Globe, queen for putting her tongue in my throat and deeply BBBJ my more than 3 times size, but not GFE enough for me, so I didn't repeat, when I find higher level for less expensive in Germany. I'm not a local, but success depend on profiles you choose, when I don't go with porn dolls, nor prostitute images.[/QUOTE]I never negotiate nor beg because it would kill GFE atmosphere I need, I just run away from not kissing girls without insisting and from girls saying: I don t sell love, when I pay for love in bed, only in bed, whatever can imagine many girls, I don t pay to only empty my balls, when I had great rooms without finishing and some not really good even filling plastic.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2807007]My hope is to make just one more big trip to "Germongery" post-pandemic. And after that I think I will be done with Germany in favor of Brazil for mongering and discovering countries that I have not been to before for both mongering and non-mongering purposes. I just can't see continuing to go to Germany when I have Brazil. But before I call it quits, I need to have that last final hurrah! I'm going to do it up too with an epic trip in the works.[/QUOTE]My choices are more limited, it's the MTL or Deutschland oder die Schweiz for me brother. I'll just have to take our French road warrior's advice and improve my game, picking out promising profiles the best I can taking whatever flops on the chin here and there. My next Foret into the NRW in next month, hope to see you there. Otherwise, a boatload of club reports on the way. You all can laugh at my expense as I blunder about looking for petit spinners with good ZK.
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Lovely German manga Mio on tour at Globe. Funny girl.
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Belgium info help
Hello,
Apologies in advance as this may not be right Group but couldn't find better option and didn't seek help elsewhere.
I will be staying for a few weeks in Brussels this summer, so I will appreciate a few contacts of independent girls that I can bring to hotel. I do not like escorts too much as they are overworked and I am failure on tinder and bumble. Like not professional prostitutes. Girls who do it as a side. Please PM me, thanks.
Also is Marie active?
The ginger colour hair girl who travelled between Antwerp, Brussels and Amsterdam.
Please share her contact if available!
Thanks.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2807007]My hope is to make just one more big trip to "Germongery" post-pandemic. And after that I think I will be done with Germany in favor of Brazil for mongering and discovering countries that I have not been to before for both mongering and non-mongering purposes. I just can't see continuing to go to Germany when I have Brazil. But before I call it quits, I need to have that last final hurrah! I'm going to do it up too with an epic trip in the works.[/QUOTE]I've made 4 post covid trips so far but none for mongering. My first post covid mongering trip will be later this year. However, I'm really not feeling Germany. I think it will be Mexico first then Brazil. I had a really great time in Mexico back in 2010 and have not been back since. I understand there are hot Russians, Ukrainians and Eastern Europeans to be got in Mexico City.
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First time tips
Hello,
I am very new to this mongering world. I want to try some VFM option. I prefer Big ass girls. Please share some lead how can I start my journey. Thanks.
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My suggestion is Sharks
[QUOTE=CoolDude07;2812464]Hello,
I am very new to this mongering world. I want to try some VFM option. I prefer Big ass girls. Please share some lead how can I start my journey. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Go to Sharks, plenty of fat arsed girls there, problem is most said girls are fat all over.
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[QUOTE=CoolDude07;2812464]Hello,
I am very new to this mongering world. I want to try some VFM option. I prefer Big ass girls. Please share some lead how can I start my journey. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Never been but I think fat Latinas in club Sky in NRW.
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Total FKK club noob question since I haven't actually seen it explicitly stated reading the forums:
Is FS (esp full meal) normal? Included? I see plenty of reference to DFK, French iutside, finger, anal, rim, CIM, etc. But uh. Do they also do FS or JUST those other services? 🤔.
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[QUOTE=ChadfFutaSlave;2815085]Total FKK club noob question since I haven't actually seen it explicitly stated reading the forums:
Is FS (esp full meal) normal? Included? I see plenty of reference to DFK, French iutside, finger, anal, rim, CIM, etc. But uh. Do they also do FS or JUST those other services? 🤔.[/QUOTE]I do not know what full meal means. FS mean Covered Full Sex which means covered vaginal sex (generally multiple positions) and 1 shot and generally CBJ (not always, you need to confirm with girl). Everything else is normally extra but you need to ask the girl prior to the room as some offer BBBJ or DFK or FK as part of FS and most others is an extra. Anal / BDM / CIM is always extra. There are probably more options which isn't always offered by all the girls. Not all girls offer everything even if it is extra. In other words, always negotiate prior to the room and even then; you may not always get what you agreed on.
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[QUOTE=ChadfFutaSlave;2815085]Total FKK club noob question since I haven't actually seen it explicitly stated reading the forums:
Is FS (esp full meal) normal? Included? I see plenty of reference to DFK, French iutside, finger, anal, rim, CIM, etc. But uh. Do they also do FS or JUST those other services? 🤔.[/QUOTE]Is FS mean without condom, then You have to go to RTC or some at Bernds or Bab.
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Sky. Latina club. Only fatties?
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2812908]Never been but I think fat Latinas in club Sky in NRW.[/QUOTE]I know that there have always been 40-ish Latinas in Sky. But they definitely know what sex is all about. And most of them surely aren't ugly and are master in oily pussysliding.
I'll be over there in Varresbeck / Wuppertal some time next week and I'll report in detail on some of them.
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Car rental
Heading for FKK tour next month. Planning on renting a cheap car. Please recommend a good and reliable car rental. Appreciate your advice.
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Car rental
[QUOTE=Milfotronic;2818454]Heading for FKK tour next month. Planning on renting a cheap car. Please recommend a good and reliable car rental. Appreciate your advice.[/QUOTE]Unless I am going from city to city I never bother with car rental, it's just too much hassle and cost. IMHO I would book with one of the big companies, Avis, Hertz, Enterprise and stay clear of the smaller companies. I have heard many stories of customers being charged for repairs for the smallest possible scratches etc that are 'wear and tear'. They are all a bunch of Sharks, if you pardon the pun. Use the train and / or uber, less stress.
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[QUOTE=Abox79;2818727]Unless I am going from city to city I never bother with car rental, it's just too much hassle and cost. IMHO I would book with one of the big companies, Avis, Hertz, Enterprise and stay clear of the smaller companies. I have heard many stories of customers being charged for repairs for the smallest possible scratches etc that are 'wear and tear'. They are all a bunch of Sharks, if you pardon the pun. Use the train and / or uber, less stress.[/QUOTE]I was in fact planning on driving between cities but what you say makes sense. When you drive you have to find and (probably) pay for parking. Also there is some risk of traffic jams and whatnot. Biggest advantage is that you don't need to wait for trains and buses, moreover you can be mobile at night. Thank you for your comment.
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[QUOTE=Milfotronic;2818800]I was in fact planning on driving between cities but what you say makes sense. When you drive you have to find and (probably) pay for parking. Also there is some risk of traffic jams and whatnot. Biggest advantage is that you don't need to wait for trains and buses, moreover you can be mobile at night. Thank you for your comment.[/QUOTE]Easy to park without having to pay in most clubs. Germany is worldchampion for works on autobahns, killing brakes. Easy to go from Darmstadt to Oase or GG.
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[QUOTE=Milfotronic;2818800]I was in fact planning on driving between cities but what you say makes sense. When you drive you have to find and (probably) pay for parking. Also there is some risk of traffic jams and whatnot. Biggest advantage is that you don't need to wait for trains and buses, moreover you can be mobile at night. Thank you for your comment.[/QUOTE]I've never really understood the argument that car rental is cumbersome and expensive. For sure if you are only using trains and staying local for a short visit, getting a car is less advantageous. But at the same time, on short stays, 1-2 hours commuting by public transport really is valuable time that I wouldn't want to waste. The cost difference of a 25-30 euro rental versus 10-15 euro in train fares for a couple of days don't seem to be worth my lost hour or two plus hassle of waiting on buses / trains and walking / transferring from stops / stations to clubs. Most clubs are located in industrial / rural areas with free parking lots or free street parking so parking fees are only an issue if you are in a hotel in downtown.
And you touched on one of the biggest advantages of having a car in my opinion, freedom of movement, especially at night. Having to keep a deadline in my mind of when busses and trains stop running is a major drag when trying to enjoy your time in a fuck club. If I'm looking for one more room at 9 pm, it's not a fun feeling being pressured to find a girl quickly and finishing a room in a set time only to rush to get dressed and hustle to the nearest bus / train station at 11 at night. The other scenario is if a club is having a bad line up day or just too busy, I like being able to bail and drive to another club to salvage the night. And like you said, if you have multiple cities and can commute at night, a car just makes everything so much easier.
Of course taxi and uber gives you the best advantage of being able to move about within a city. However, that comes at a price. One way fare from Frankfurt to Sharks or Oase is 40-50 e. Distances can be even greater in the Cologne-Dusseldorf area. You can easily spend 100 e per day just in travel to and from clubs. But if you have a hotel nearby one club and only visit that club, then sure, a 10 e taxi isn't a big deal.
My rule, anything over 2 days, get a car. For short stays, get a hotel next to the club.
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Yes, car give more freedom. On this Saturday, after my girl at GG in middle of nowhere, when GG casting is low, I moved, for pleasure, to Oase in middle of nowhere. What a cleaning run for nearly 300 kms. When on Thursday, I was in so disappointing Sharks Darmstadt, then GG NRW on Friday and Saturday, then Oase on this night. At least, I found my standard 200/90 to really enjoy quality at GG or in Hessen, when was 150/90 in 2016/2017 , quite acceptable for really quality with elegant woman types.
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My experience of some clubs visited
Gents over the last number of years I have visited all the FKK clubs listed below and I give the positives and negatives of all I have visited. Starting with the club I least favoured to my most favoured one.
FKK Funplast Vienna.
This is the only club I have been to that I would recomend not to go. The club is huge and has potential. Unfortunately it's not well maintained. The showers stink and were dirty. Girls are 6/7 rating on average and basic service levels. Did not like the vibe in the place.
FKK Amesia Zurich.
Medium size club with 30 or so girls majority were 7's with some less than that. Potential to find a diamond of an 8 and there was 1 or 2 amoung the girls when I visited. Check the website for girls in attendance. Would I go again probably, its an alternative to the two better clubs in Zurich that I mention later but not as good as either. Chilled atmosphere, food served and was ok.
FKK Oase Frankfurt.
Check my resent report. Large club with big outside area which I could not use as was an overcast day when I was there. Up to 40 girls in attendance with most being in the 7/8 range with some late 20 year old girls with 8/9 bodies depending on your taste. Most were experienced in the business and in the 23 to 33 year old bracket. Its a bit outside town on a country road just as a heads up so get a taxi from train station. Has a small restaurant that had OK food.
FKK Golden Time Vienna.
Medium size club and modern on a par girl wise with Oase see above but maybe a wider range of girl types. Expect about 40 or 50 in attendance depending on the day. Food served and ok. If in Vienna go and check it out. Line up can be up and down but check forums for latest. I would go again.
FKK Club Swiss Zurich.
Small club but a real gem more for locals. Club is very modern even though small. Line up of only 10 to 15 girls but majority in the 8 range with some really fine and the odd 9. See website for lineup and pics 95% accurate wiith only slight filtering. Service level high as its part of the Globe group.
FKK Welcum Villach Southern Austria.
Large modern club with decent food and hotel on site to stay for a couple days at club. Club facilities and layoutbvery similar to Sharks. Line up very similar to Sharks also, See in my recent Sharks review, plenty of 8's for all tastes with the odd 9 on site if your lucky. Only drawback to this club and its a big one is that it very hard to travel too. 5/6 hours by train from Vienna. Its only a couple of km from Itallian border and that's their market so expert alot of Itallian punters. I though the line up in Sharks this mouth was better then Welcum in May last year.
FKK Sharks Frankfurt.
See my recent review for line up. Line up will have about 80 girls Fri or Sat for all tastes from skinny 18 year old to 40 plus milfs and all in between. Club facility is very similar in size and standard to Welcum. Service 100 euro for 30 mins BBBJ and covered sex. Service level can depend on rapour you build with the girls, expect some with a great attitude and others can be Skarky but that's for you to figure out.
FKK CLUB GLOBE ZURICH.
Still the best if it has a few flaws. First the good part management but pressure on the girls to give a good service so expect the best intimate service on average of all the clubs. Line up very strong if there has been some reports indicating a decline. Also alot of public sex so you can ride your girl anywhere does not matter if everyone can see go for it. Expect to see some fucking in public. See on website the daily schedule which is accurate, pic 95% accurate with only slight filtering. Negatives expect 40 % silicone and that girls can get booked for hours so even though it says 45 on site per the website at 9 pm only 5 or 6 girls maybe on the club floor, so get there early. Also rooms are basic compared to some other clubs. There something about Globe that has kept it at or near the top for so many years now, visit at least once if you get the chance. Oh and the Swiss clubs are expensive remember Swiss frank.
Well that's all I have. For first timers go to Sharks is my recommendation. Maybe plan an overnight trip. Fly in early morning to Frankfurt and get something to eat. Get to club early, get diner in club from 6 till 9 and stay till 4 am. Get a taxi to airport and fly back home. Have as many girls at 100 euro for 30 mins as you can muster as well of course. You can rest sleep on lounger in the upstairs area later on. You will not regret it. Some advise the best time in the clubs is from 3 pm till 11 pm, so always get there early. Going for 9 pm is to late. Early shift have gone home and only a small number are there after midnight in most clubs. Around 6 to 7 when early and late shifts overlap is peek time. Remember it's not a nightclub were things get going late.
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Berlin Hamburg Hannover triangle. NW Germany
There's a lot of posting on Berlin, much less as you head west until you drop down into the NRW area around theüsseldorf.
Got to do some work up closer to Hannover and Hamburg. Any and all want to offer a few side trip recommendations. I've been to Hamburg's FKK (reports in forum). Done Berlin. Never hobbies in Hannover except with escorts.
Looking for some help.
Thanks.
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Oase or Sharks
Will travel to Germany coming weekend and decided to visit one of the famous mainstream clubs for the first time. I let you guys decide which one I should chose between Oase and Sharks. I will most likely spend lots of time sunbathing and relaxing. Please share your opinion why I should choose one over the other.
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50/50
[QUOTE=Milfotronic;2826024]Will travel to Germany coming weekend and decided to visit one of the famous mainstream clubs for the first time. I let you guys decide which one I should chose between Oase and Sharks. I will most likely spend lots of time sunbathing and relaxing. Please share your opinion why I should choose one over the other.[/QUOTE]I think if there was a poll on this question it would probably be in the region of 50/50. In pre-pandemic times my personal opinion would be Sharks. Based on recent experience and from what I am told outside this site Oase would be the preferred option. It's all subjective but to me Oase has the better choice of girls, food is marginally better and the outside is better as well. Others will probably disagree. Have you considered doing both, they are about 60-90 minutes away from each other by train?
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[QUOTE=Milfotronic;2826024]Will travel to Germany coming weekend and decided to visit one of the famous mainstream clubs for the first time. I let you guys decide which one I should chose between Oase and Sharks. I will most likely spend lots of time sunbathing and relaxing. Please share your opinion why I should choose one over the other.[/QUOTE]Sharks has overall better experience in my opinion. Better food, more girls, bigger facility, quite good location (easy to go out to the city and back). Oase is located quite a bit from the city and does not have as much food options as Sharks. Both clubs have same quality of girls. Sharks has more girls on the extreme end. However there is more smoke in Sharks than Oase. The pool at Oase is also better than Sharks.
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[QUOTE=LuckyTo;2826094]Sharks has overall better experience in my opinion. Better food, more girls, bigger facility, quite good location (easy to go out to the city and back). Oase is located quite a bit from the city and does not have as much food options as Sharks. Both clubs have same quality of girls. Sharks has more girls on the extreme end. However there is more smoke in Sharks than Oase. The pool at Oase is also better than Sharks.[/QUOTE]Better outdoor at Oase.
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[QUOTE=Abox79;2826068]I think if there was a poll on this question it would probably be in the region of 50/50. In pre-pandemic times my personal opinion would be Sharks. Based on recent experience and from what I am told outside this site Oase would be the preferred option. It's all subjective but to me Oase has the better choice of girls, food is marginally better and the outside is better as well. Others will probably disagree. Have you considered doing both, they are about 60-90 minutes away from each other by train?[/QUOTE]I confirm both are enjoyable. For girls, Oase is more for night than Sharks which is quite dead after 1 am for A team, even I was surprised on Saturday to see one needing to work til 3 am after turning hunting so much. Even with 100 speed limit between airport and ausfahrt to Dietzenbach, around 30 mn driving between both. Can push on North Frankfurt. Once going to Oase, could easily follow BMW polizei in action, now I know on unlimited speed, they won t be able to follow when much over 270/280 .
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Disadvantage of car
[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2819090]I've never really understood the argument that car rental is cumbersome and expensive. For sure if you are only using trains and staying local for a short visit, getting a car is less advantageous. But at the same time, on short stays, 1-2 hours commuting by public transport really is valuable time that I wouldn't want to waste. The cost difference of a 25-30 euro rental versus 10-15 euro in train fares for a couple of days don't seem to be worth my lost hour or two plus hassle of waiting on buses / trains and walking / transferring from stops / stations to clubs. Most clubs are located in industrial / rural areas with free parking lots or free street parking so parking fees are only an issue if you are in a hotel in downtown.
And you touched on one of the biggest advantages of having a car in my opinion, freedom of movement, especially at night. Having to keep a deadline in my mind of when busses and trains stop running is a major drag when trying to enjoy your time in a fuck club. If I'm looking for one more room at 9 pm, it's not a fun feeling being pressured to find a girl quickly and finishing a room in a set time only to rush to get dressed and hustle to the nearest bus / train station at 11 at night. The other scenario is if a club is having a bad line up day or just too busy, I like being able to bail and drive to another club to salvage the night. And like you said, if you have multiple cities and can commute at night, a car just makes everything so much easier.
Of course taxi and uber gives you the best advantage of being able to move about within a city. However, that comes at a price. One way fare from Frankfurt to Sharks or Oase is 40-50 e. Distances can be even greater in the Cologne-Dusseldorf area. You can easily spend 100 e per day just in travel to and from clubs. But if you have a hotel nearby one club and only visit that club, then sure, a 10 e taxi isn't a big deal.
My rule, anything over 2 days, get a car. For short stays, get a hotel next to the club.[/QUOTE]The biggest disadvantage of renting a car you failed to mention is that you can't drink alcohol at all. I go to Germany to enjoy beer. Especially when it's free at some club (Samya etc.), there is no way to go there without alcohol.
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Have you been to Globe? Lots of people say that the girls there are better lookin
[QUOTE=LuckyTo;2826094]Sharks has overall better experience in my opinion. Better food, more girls, bigger facility, quite good location (easy to go out to the city and back). Oase is located quite a bit from the city and does not have as much food options as Sharks. Both clubs have same quality of girls. Sharks has more girls on the extreme end. However there is more smoke in Sharks than Oase. The pool at Oase is also better than Sharks.[/QUOTE]I can't tell which is real because everyone thinks something different. Seems a lot of people are saying that Globe has better looking girls than Sharks or Artemis. What do you think?
The real question is, which club has the most actual germans? Seems like most of the girls at german / Swiss FKK are romanian.
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[QUOTE=Cwasally;2827277]I can't tell which is real because everyone thinks something different. Seems a lot of people are saying that Globe has better looking girls than Sharks or Artemis. What do you think?
The real question is, which club has the most actual germans? Seems like most of the girls at german / Swiss FKK are romanian.[/QUOTE]Globe fell for looks. Not clever staff and all their rules make fall business. Not the best place now to find pretty Germans.
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ACA Gold or Living room
Hi friends.
Coming to Dusseldorf on July 14 Friday afternoon. Earlier plan was to visit ACAGold. Recent reviews says club is on down hill. So confused whether to visit ACA or LR on the peak Friday? Saturday visiting Penalope and Sunday GG. Need an advice from you friends on ACAG / LR. I visited LR in 2019 and it was a great experience for me. Never being to ACAG.
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[QUOTE=Thampi62;2827415]Hi friends.
Coming to Dusseldorf on July 14 Friday afternoon. Earlier plan was to visit ACAGold. Recent reviews says club is on down hill. So confused whether to visit ACA or LR on the peak Friday? Saturday visiting Penalope and Sunday GG. Need an advice from you friends on ACAG / LR. I visited LR in 2019 and it was a great experience for me. Never being to ACAG.[/QUOTE]Sunday is not best day for GG which have average casting. I would better go on Friday at 1 pm. Good choice for Penelope on Saturday, really waking up at 6/7 pm but garden pool for afternoon. For Sunday, 6 ens NL stuck to Aachen would be my first choice, or Gold but keep your values with You from robbery, or LR which have around 15 girls and didn t see any wow there. Some ex LR at GG but no wow seen. Bulgarian Turkish lovely Nelli now with silicon is at GG.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2827448]Sunday is not best day for GG which have average casting. I would better go on Friday at 1 pm. Good choice for Penelope on Saturday, really waking up at 6/7 pm but garden pool for afternoon. For Sunday, 6 ens NL stuck to Aachen would be my first choice, or Gold but keep your values with You from robbery, or LR which have around 15 girls and didn t see any wow there. Some ex LR at GG but no wow seen. Bulgarian Turkish lovely Nelli now with silicon is at GG.[/QUOTE]Thanks Siri. I will fix with LR on Friday vs ACA Gold. Visiting Babylon and Sixsense on Monday and Tuesday. Wednesday I move to FR for two nights and then to Zurich and Freubad.
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Then what is?
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2827378]Globe fell for looks. Not clever staff and all their rules make fall business. Not the best place now to find pretty Germans.[/QUOTE]What is then? This is what I meant with my post.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2827448]Sunday is not best day for GG which have average casting. I would better go on Friday at 1 pm. Good choice for Penelope on Saturday, really waking up at 6/7 pm but garden pool for afternoon. For Sunday, 6 ens NL stuck to Aachen would be my first choice, or Gold but keep your values with You from robbery, or LR which have around 15 girls and didn t see any wow there. Some ex LR at GG but no wow seen. Bulgarian Turkish lovely Nelli now with silicon is at GG.[/QUOTE]I read you emphasizing on keeping valuables in ACAGold in your few reports. Even we have to be careful about lockers or keeping personal belongings like phone and wrist watch placing casually around? Is it a general comment about all saunas or specifically to ACAG?
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[QUOTE=Thampi62;2827630]I read you emphasizing on keeping valuables in ACAGold in your few reports. Even we have to be careful about lockers or keeping personal belongings like phone and wrist watch placing casually around? Is it a general comment about all saunas or specifically to ACAG?[/QUOTE]I heard they made new lockers for values close to ATM in entry, because seem robberies since a while in main lockers. I would not like somebody going to Gold after reading me and being robbed there. I don t know if because of this, but Gold don t seem at best. I would advice more brother Penelope but more a night club. GG should be better on Friday or Saturday than slow Sunday. Now never crowded and not many girls but the most beautiful club with most beautiful rooms I know in whole FKK land. Always going with same girl since end of February, even also Paula. Pol and Kira for attractive.
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Question about fully nude clubs in NRW
Hello,
I prefer clubs where girls are full nude and I therefore dare ask the question. Could anyone list out the fully nude clubs in NRW? I know Babylon Elsdorf and Sauna Club Venus, Luder Land in Leverkusen and Luder Lounge in Dortmund are amongst them.
Penelope, Great Palace used to be one of them, but is no longer amongst them.
Any answers would be appreciated.
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[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;2830681]Could anyone list out the fully nude clubs in NRW? I know Babylon Elsdorf and Sauna Club Venus, Luder Land in Leverkusen and Luder Lounge in Dortmund are amongst them.[/QUOTE]I am not a NRW specialist, but Bernd's used to be fully nude. Rumours say the club is moving to another location in September (check thread).
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[QUOTE=Shark16;2830695]I am not a NRW specialist, but Bernd's used to be fully nude. Rumours say the club is moving to another location in September (check thread).[/QUOTE]Yes Bernds and all RTC like Luderland. On last Saturday, discovered a so elegant Russian with red dress, shoes and nails, reminded me the song lady in red, so sexy erotic and wow in bed. To repeat on next week end.
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[QUOTE=David1266;2826986]The biggest disadvantage of renting a car you failed to mention is that you can't drink alcohol at all. I go to Germany to enjoy beer. Especially when it's free at some club (Samya etc.), there is no way to go there without alcohol.[/QUOTE]Au contraire. I never drink and drive in the USA but in Deutshland I enjoy same. Pulled over once for a passport check and I did not engage in soverign citizenship and presented identification and was let go without detainment.
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Fkk luderland
Not much reports on AO club Luderland in Leverkusen. Website shows that new lady from Villa Vanilla (GG) joined the club.30 entry with full nude visuals look encouraging. Read as friendly atmosphere with 40/30 and 80/60.Not sure. Feel like better to be than going to Bernds. Don't know the LU. Eateries and Rewe nearby.Easy to reach from Cologne Hbf.
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Anyone knows how to get Viagra or Cialis without a prescription in Cologne or Frankfurt?
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[QUOTE=Thampi62;2833183]Not much reports on AO club Luderland in Leverkusen. Website shows that new lady from Villa Vanilla (GG) joined the club.30 entry with full nude visuals look encouraging. Read as friendly atmosphere with 40/30 and 80/60.Not sure. Feel like better to be than going to Bernds. Don't know the LU. Eateries and Rewe nearby.Easy to reach from Cologne Hbf.[/QUOTE]Maybe from Villa Venus, but I doubt from GG when many girls at GG get better business, being more busy than at Sharks.
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[QUOTE=SethiatSpace;2833195]Anyone knows how to get Viagra or Cialis without a prescription in Cologne or Frankfurt?[/QUOTE]Check out the Viagara forum for Redbull691. He is 100% reliable and will ship anywhere in Europe. Just have it shipped to your hotel.
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Top 5 FKK clubs / must visit FKK clubs?
Hi there.
Will be traveling all over Germany in the next month. I believe Artemis and FKK Oase have the most total posts and reviews. But if you had to pick 5 to visit and go to, which ones would you say are must see places? Not just about the girls, but overall environment, fun, place to hang out and spend several hours in.
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Value for money
[QUOTE=ThrowAway3602;2833464]Hi there.
Will be traveling all over Germany in the next month. I believe Artemis and FKK Oase have the most total posts and reviews. But if you had to pick 5 to visit and go to, which ones would you say are must see places? Not just about the girls, but overall environment, fun, place to hang out and spend several hours in.[/QUOTE]For a very different guy like me, foreigner but not playing tourist, visiting weekly, GG is most interesting for me with 5 targets with 2 excellent, I don t know for 3 others but at least attractive images and my black dog friend. Number 2 is Freubad. Ch which is best club with girls in garden in Summer. Number 3 are Penelope for value for money and Sharks for potential to find a wow beyond little Romanians mass. 5 is Oase where can sometimes find a wow and wish to play NBA with my 1,95 french friend. I don t know Artemis. On my last visits on saturdays on this year, Globe was down for looks, not worthing 150/30 , but I loved my game with Carmen at Amesia where I moved from Globe.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2833469]For a very different guy like me, foreigner but not playing tourist, visiting weekly, GG is most interesting for me with 5 targets with 2 excellent, I don t know for 3 others but at least attractive images and my black dog friend. Number 2 is Freubad. Ch which is best club with girls in garden in Summer. Number 3 are Penelope for value for money and Sharks for potential to find a wow beyond little Romanians mass. 5 is Oase where can sometimes find a wow and wish to play NBA with my 1,95 french friend. I don t know Artemis. On my last visits on saturdays on this year, Globe was down for looks, not worthing 150/30 , but I loved my game with Carmen at Amesia where I moved from Globe.[/QUOTE]It means Babylon and Sixsense are in your your first five. We travelers are expecting the club ambience and the girls. Of course value for money and GFE. GG still not in list. My trip consisting all your clubs in your list of five. Still looking for an AO / RTC to feel a change.
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Too picky as say girls
[QUOTE=Thampi62;2833547]It means Babylon and Sixsense are in your your first five. We travelers are expecting the club ambience and the girls. Of course value for money and GFE. GG still not in list. My trip consisting all your clubs in your list of five. Still looking for an AO / RTC to feel a change.[/QUOTE]6 NL could be sixth, more for the club than casting. Babylon is very average for me with too expensive entry when girls are not pretty enough, when 90% Sharks girls are not pretty enough for me and worst at Globe.
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[QUOTE=Max#01;2833343]Check out the Viagara forum for Redbull691. He is 100% reliable and will ship anywhere in Europe. Just have it shipped to your hotel.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I'll contact him. But it's my last day here in Germany, I doubt we can find a way for him to send them to me in Darmstadt on such short notice.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2833583]6 NL could be sixth, more for the club than casting. Babylon is very average for me with too expensive entry when girls are not pretty enough, when 90% Sharks girls are not pretty enough for me and worst at Globe.[/QUOTE]Train to Aachen, RE1,RE6 are having a change in between to catch a bus also to reach destination. I have enough time to reach there so will enjoy the journey. Wish to see the tourist spot Three Country point near to sixsense taking a break from the club in the afternoon.
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Do all clubs permit to take a break of one to two hours after paying for a full entry? Wish to explore nearby tourist spots or happening places. I did it in World and Sharks before
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2833469]For a very different guy like me, foreigner but not playing tourist, visiting weekly, GG is most interesting for me with 5 targets with 2 excellent, I don t know for 3 others but at least attractive images and my black dog friend. Number 2 is Freubad. Ch which is best club with girls in garden in Summer. Number 3 are Penelope for value for money and Sharks for potential to find a wow beyond little Romanians mass. 5 is Oase where can sometimes find a wow and wish to play NBA with my 1,95 french friend. I don t know Artemis. On my last visits on saturdays on this year, Globe was down for looks, not worthing 150/30 , but I loved my game with Carmen at Amesia where I moved from Globe.[/QUOTE]Some GG girls will go on holidays soon, when some are more busy than at Sharks, like I started, not my holidays yet, but my Summer sporty tour, so happy on my bicycle in my paradise and after 7 months almost sleeping, even starting under 40 degrees, but heart seemed really not bad, no tachycardie at night, I improve, good start in Iseran and wonderful Cormet Roselan to follow today, before driving to be at work, waiting for my Gran San Bernardino on next week end. This to warm up before August. Really great sport. Even my so fresh German escort doesn't compete for pleasure.
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Happy ending massage
For those who just want to enjoy a good massage with a an extra happy ending, there is one massage salon on the main street in that godofrsaken bahnhofsviertel.
Two of the salons have upped their price to 70 euros for 1 h (I remember it being 40 euros a long time ago) but one of them is still offering for 50 euros for one hour.
I was immediately greeted by a young Asian (no idea which country) with a decent look. She brought me straight to a room before I could confirm the 50 euros price. I asked in the room and she said yes, immediately followed by "70 if you want with happy ending". No beating around the Bush. I agreed, 20 extra for a handjob ain't bad. Massage was good, not the best I've had but I wouldn't expect it to be. Negative points as she didn't try to get me aroused from behind as most of them do, "accidentally" brushing over the balls. She asked me to flip over and she went straight to the deed with a bit of hot oil, which felt pleasant. She took her time, not rushing me to orgasm, which I appreciated. She positioned herself in a way which got me perplexed. I don't know what the rules are, if you're allowed to touch in general (she was fully dressed) or not so I just brushed very so slightly her leg but I wasn't planning on more. She didn't move. Once I came, she started the massage again on the front side, finishing with my head / hair. There is a clock in the room and she didn't cheat at all on the time, it was 1 h since I came in until I left.
Recommended if you're looking for a massage + little bit extra. The room was big and not hot like those damn Sharks rooms.
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Paying with bitcoin, bitpay, paypal or similar?
In this day and age, it's a little hard to extract cash from a machine without first transferring the money to a normal bank account. I have some money in bitcoin and some on paypal that I would prefer to use without taking that detour. So, I was just wondering if anyone here has ever used another means of payment in an FKK. I mean, other than cash?
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[QUOTE=Wikman;2834766]In this day and age, it's a little hard to extract cash from a machine without first transferring the money to a normal bank account. I have some money in bitcoin and some on paypal that I would prefer to use without taking that detour. So, I was just wondering if anyone here has ever used another means of payment in an FKK. I mean, other than cash?[/QUOTE]In some clubs, You can pay with CC, usually with fee. At Oase, in Germany. In several in Austria and Switzerland.
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Intercourse mechanics, condoms and penile pleasure
Hi,
Today is a good day for a look at the 4 factors that influence pleasure derived from friction in the penis-vagina interface.
The condom, my old enemy.
Couple of years ago a girlfriend told me I was using too small condoms. I had just on autopilot bought standard condoms, without ever giving it any thought. I realized she was right, they had indeed been difficult to put on and squeezed my cock white. Changing to bigger condoms made a bigger difference than I would have guessed. I still hate condoms but now they are only half as bad as they used to be. I have recently discovered a good brand of condoms called Mysize. I prefer condoms to be on the more spacious side and I found a size that works great for me. I first bought a trial pack from German amazon and later a large pack of the model I liked the best. Highly recommended.
Some girls use very thick condoms, without a jizz container at the top, which they pull down very hard. When the condom is put on that way, it can sometimes pull itself up slightly and drag some foreskin with it, the effect is having the head protected by both foreskin and thick rubber. Add too much lube and a big pussy and good luck feeling anything unless you are ultra horny. My own condoms largely solves this as they both have a container and are loose enough to be rearrange 'on cock' if need be.
The lube.
I kind of always thought the more the merrier when it comes to lube. I think that has been yet another stupid mistake of mine. Will be on guard against overlubrication as I move into future vaginas, although it is much harder to control than the condoms. If the girl really wants to empty a whole bottle in her flower, there is little to do to stop her. Scream "nooooooo" with a hysterical voice and fetch some napkins? I don't think so.
The cock.
Being as hard as possible is obviously very helpful, and for that horniness is needed. Unfortunately I am not 20 anymore so I am not as easily aroused anymore. Staying in shape, getting enough sleep and eating healthy food helps, so does not looking at porn. Unfortunately, I personally tend to get a little desensitized by the FKK environment after several hours of looking at tits and fucking the first time. Sort of sensory overload. Would be good to have a relax area off limits to girls, to rest my eyes a little. I guess it is always possible to leave the club and come back later though. Might try that some day. Would also be nice to check out the club's brunch breakfast.
The pussy.
I don't think there are any reliable indicators to predict pussy size of European women. Some slender young women can certainly have loose pussies. I am starting to think that lube might be a bigger factor than tightness in the pussy friction equation than I previously thought, so I might have confused the two factors. Will try to pay more attention during future sessions. Other than that, trial and error would be the way to go I guess.
Tuna.
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FKK-like system elsewhere in Europe?
Hi,
I have visited some FKK in Germany and Austria.
Is there anywhere else in Europe to try something like that system?
I mean, choose one among (almost) naked girls, negotiate and have a nice time in the same building.
My brief search says that Globe near Zurich is like FKK.
I could also get to know about places like Showpark and Neonclub in Prague where girls can be chosen (while they are not naked, as*I understand).
So the second question is.
If not exactly like FKK, which country / city can I try something like those*clubs?
Anywhere else in*Europe or other continents?
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[QUOTE=ThrowAway3602;2833464]Hi there.
Will be traveling all over Germany in the next month. I believe Artemis and FKK Oase have the most total posts and reviews. But if you had to pick 5 to visit and go to, which ones would you say are must see places? Not just about the girls, but overall environment, fun, place to hang out and spend several hours in.[/QUOTE]Hi. I have not been to all fkks but ı have been to:
Sharks, oase, the palace, mainhattan, artemis, samya. Cologne, theüsseldorf oceans.
Sharks: the 1. One to visit. The biggest place in closed area and has a garden with a pool. You can share your time with girls at outside as well. The most number working girls are present in this place.
Artemis Berlin: must see 2. Place I think. Second biggest or third. A luxury, lavish design. There are two swimming pool, one is outside, the other is inside. The main bar is totaly the place to be. Mostly clients go to girls to meet and to go room.
Oase: again a big club. The garden as well. But I do not like this place. The approaching of girls is nok OK for me. Mans go to girls again.
The palace. At the centre of city. A lavish design wellcomes you. Loud music and dancing wg s makes a good atmosphere. The design of main bar is so classy.
Samya. Cologne: a small club if I compare with hessen clubs. Rooms are upstairs. Changing room and bathrooms are dowstairs. Main bar is not big. Mostly turkish music and visited by mostly turkish mans. Not a good place but at least one time you can visit.
Mainhattan: a frankfurt club. Small. Easy to reach by train from center. This is not the place to be I think.
Theüsseldorf ocean: not an FKK. A kind of place between a night club and laufhouse. Some girls sit with their daily dress and some of them with swimsuit. Some guys just sit with their normal daily clothes. A better options should be around theüsseldorf.
Sharks, artemis, the palace, oase.
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[QUOTE=ThrowAway3602;2833464]Hi there.
Will be traveling all over Germany in the next month. I believe Artemis and FKK Oase have the most total posts and reviews. But if you had to pick 5 to visit and go to, which ones would you say are must see places? Not just about the girls, but overall environment, fun, place to hang out and spend several hours in.[/QUOTE]Hi,
It seems like after covid the FKK scene has changed drastically. Also, the situation is evolving, with new pricing structures being tested etc. I could give my opinions on a bunch of clubs, but I fear my impressions are outdated. I think I just need to re-evaluate them all!
Sharks. Very good choice currently, a lot of girls on weekends, BBQ outside, garden. You will most likely not be disappointed.
Palace. Used to be a favorite of mine, small but luxurious, no garden, used to have very hot girls (note: this might well have changed, haven't been there in a long time).
Oase. Used to be great, huge garden, very nice ambience in general. Due to my most recent visits being complete disappointments I am reluctant to go again until I see some positive reports. The Oase thread seems to be completely dead. (note: haven't been there in a long time).
Artemis. Big club, not my favorite (note: haven't been there in a long time).
Living Room. Small place with tiny garden but used to have some nice girls and free beer, new owners now (note: haven't been there since before covid).
Tuna.
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[QUOTE=Sp1000;2836060]Hi,
I have visited some FKK in Germany and Austria.
Is there anywhere else in Europe to try something like that system?
I mean, choose one among (almost) naked girls, negotiate and have a nice time in the same building.
My brief search says that Globe near Zurich is like FKK.
I could also get to know about places like Showpark and Neonclub in Prague where girls can be chosen (while they are not naked, as*I understand).
So the second question is.
If not exactly like FKK, which country / city can I try something like those*clubs?
Anywhere else in*Europe or other continents?[/QUOTE]Sixens NL on German border stuck to Aachen. Many clubs in Switzerland, Austria. Best value for money is in Germany and for packages in Freubad. Ch. Swiss Dietikon. Ch can also be quite good value.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2836240]Sixens NL on German border stuck to Aachen. Many clubs in Switzerland, Austria. Best value for money is in Germany and for packages in Freubad. Ch. Swiss Dietikon. Ch can also be quite good value.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information. Can I ask what you mean by "packages"?
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[QUOTE=Sp1000;2837634]Thanks for the information. Can I ask what you mean by "packages"?[/QUOTE]Til 2 pm, Freubad which is one of the most beautiful club in whole FKK land, propose entry + 1 hour sex for 199 . You can pay in € .
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[QUOTE=Sp1000;2836060]Hi,
I have visited some FKK in Germany and Austria.
Is there anywhere else in Europe to try something like that system?
I mean, choose one among (almost) naked girls, negotiate and have a nice time in the same building.
My brief search says that Globe near Zurich is like FKK.
I could also get to know about places like Showpark and Neonclub in Prague where girls can be chosen (while they are not naked, as*I understand).
So the second question is.
If not exactly like FKK, which country / city can I try something like those*clubs?
Anywhere else in*Europe or other continents?[/QUOTE]In regards to other continents, the thermas in Rio are similar to a FKK club without the constant nudity if I remember correctly. I used to like some of the strip clubs in Mexico. I don't even know if they have them anymore. They aren't mentioned in the forums where I used to go. It is kinda cool to watch the most talented stripper in a country dance and then have sex with her when no one thinks she is going to do it with you. I would take that over just sitting around with naked women on some occasions. They would grind on you and reach in your pants for 20 USD for a lap dance. Something like that is fun for me too. I am not too particular about my bordellos. Although the only ones I have felt comfortable eating dinner in are in Europe. They do some crazy things in some places that are sometimes worth the price of admission. I am not an expert. I am just saying that just because FKK clubs are the best does not mean you can't have a good time someplace else.
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[QUOTE=YellowFinTuna;2836058]Hi,
Today is a good day for a look at the 4 factors that influence pleasure derived from friction in the penis-vagina interface.
The condom, my old enemy.
Couple of years ago a girlfriend told me I was using too small condoms. I had just on autopilot bought standard condoms, without ever giving it any thought. I realized she was right, they had indeed been difficult to put on and squeezed my cock white. Changing to bigger condoms made a bigger difference than I would have guessed. I still hate condoms but now they are only half as bad as they used to be. I have recently discovered a good brand of condoms called Mysize. I prefer condoms to be on the more spacious side and I found a size that works great for me. I first bought a trial pack from German amazon and later a large pack of the model I liked the best. Highly recommended.
Some girls use very thick condoms, without a jizz container at the top, which they pull down very hard. When the condom is put on that way, it can sometimes pull itself up slightly and drag some foreskin with it, the effect is having the head protected by both foreskin and thick rubber. Add too much lube and a big pussy and good luck feeling anything unless you are ultra horny. My own condoms largely solves this as they both have a container and are loose enough to be rearrange 'on cock' if need be.
The lube.
I kind of always thought the more the merrier when it comes to lube. I think that has been yet another stupid mistake of mine. Will be on guard against overlubrication as I move into future vaginas, although it is much harder to control than the condoms. If the girl really wants to empty a whole bottle in her flower, there is little to do to stop her. Scream "nooooooo" with a hysterical voice and fetch some napkins? I don't think so.
The cock.
Being as hard as possible is obviously very helpful, and for that horniness is needed. Unfortunately I am not 20 anymore so I am not as easily aroused anymore. Staying in shape, getting enough sleep and eating healthy food helps, so does not looking at porn. Unfortunately, I personally tend to get a little desensitized by the FKK environment after several hours of looking at tits and fucking the first time. Sort of sensory overload. Would be good to have a relax area off limits to girls, to rest my eyes a little. I guess it is always possible to leave the club and come back later though. Might try that some day. Would also be nice to check out the club's brunch breakfast.
The pussy.
I don't think there are any reliable indicators to predict pussy size of European women. Some slender young women can certainly have loose pussies. I am starting to think that lube might be a bigger factor than tightness in the pussy friction equation than I previously thought, so I might have confused the two factors. Will try to pay more attention during future sessions. Other than that, trial and error would be the way to go I guess.
Tuna.[/QUOTE]When I had trouble getting to orgasm I would always do the position where the woman is laying on her stomach with her legs together. I am sure you all know that already but it is worth mentioning. As far as pleasuring a penis goes, the most sensitive part is underneath the head. There is a name for the spot but I don't know it. Just as bit of curiousity, if your penis had an upward bend to it you would have an easier time getting an orgasm. It would not matter always about the size. I could be wrong about that but think about it. What is taking up more space, a curved banana or a perfectly straight sausage. The spincter of the vagina is at the opening also. Who really knows about such things?
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2837720]Til 2 pm, Freubad which is one of the most beautiful club in whole FKK land, propose entry + 1 hour sex for 199 . You can pay in .[/QUOTE]I see. Thank you.
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[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2837907]In regards to other continents, the thermas in Rio are similar to a FKK club without the constant nudity if I remember correctly. I used to like some of the strip clubs in Mexico. I don't even know if they have them anymore. They aren't mentioned in the forums where I used to go. It is kinda cool to watch the most talented stripper in a country dance and then have sex with her when no one thinks she is going to do it with you. I would take that over just sitting around with naked women on some occasions. They would grind on you and reach in your pants for 20 USD for a lap dance. Something like that is fun for me too. I am not too particular about my bordellos. Although the only ones I have felt comfortable eating dinner in are in Europe. They do some crazy things in some places that are sometimes worth the price of admission. I am not an expert. I am just saying that just because FKK clubs are the best does not mean you can't have a good time someplace else.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your answer. I am interested in clubs in Mexico. *Which cities in Mexico did you mean or which cities do you recommend?
As I briefly searched, Hong Kong club in Tijuana is well known. Those you have visited are similar to this club?
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Manga Mio. De on tour at Globe.
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[QUOTE=Sp1000;2840310]Thanks for your answer. I am interested in clubs in Mexico. *Which cities in Mexico did you mean or which cities do you recommend?
As I briefly searched, Hong Kong club in Tijuana is well known. Those you have visited are similar to this club?[/QUOTE]I went to Cancun a few times 25 years ago. I would go to Chillie Willies and the the group of clubs for the locals called Vente Uno. The hotel workers saw me going every night and told me I should go to Rio instead because that is where they went and it was better. I followed their advice.
My memory of Cancun may be better than it actually was. There was one club called Climax. It had cages and they dropped balloons. It had rooms around a balcony for sex and little stalls on the first floor for lap dances.
I liked Rio for the ease of doing multiple woman at once and the women were warm and engaging. When I was in Rio they said Centaurus was the best in Brazil. That was a long time ago too. It was a much more international destination so there is no comparison.
I don't think anyone should follow my advise because I can like some ordinary women. I did a really good looking woman with calluses on her feet in Costa Rica. She may not have owned shoes. There was another woman who I think was pregnant who flirted with all the men in the hotel lobby and screamed during sex in my hotel room. That is fun for me.
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NRW itinerary?
I've been planning a week or so in the NRW area along the Rhine to Cologne, thesseldorf, Duisburg, Arnhem, then planning to swing over to the Kassel area for about a week. I would like to hit a club every other day if possible, with minimal backtracking and wasted driving.
Along the way headed north, I planned to hit: Babylon Elsdorf, Samya Cologne, Living Room Kaarst, Acapulco Gold, and finally Venus Hamminkeln.
When I get near Arnhem, it looks like the choices are limited to "private houses", like Casa Rossa, Coco Plaza, and Camilla Prive. Might not even be worth a stop.
Then I'll head east to Kassel and hit Sky Saunaclub Wuppertal and Penelope Castorp on the way.
When I'm over in the Kassel area, I was looking at Girls Haus in Brilon and Das Parkschloss Club in Marsberg, but I cannot find recent info. Does anyone have any ideas for the Kassel area?
On my way back west to Cologne, I planned to try Finca Erotica in Dierdorf and World in Giessen, but those clubs sound like they are dead. I would appreciate any suggestions in that general area. I don't want to go way out of my way, so maybe Oase (which I am very familiar with, but have not really been back since it returned to post pandemic normal) or Bernds (which I have never visited and is an icon, before it closes forever)? Or should I just head back to Samya or Babylon?
Among the NRW clubs, which one would be worth a second trip? Babylon?
Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
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[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2841703]I've been planning a week or so in the NRW area along the Rhine to Cologne, thesseldorf, Duisburg, Arnhem, then planning to swing over to the Kassel area for about a week. I would like to hit a club every other day if possible, with minimal backtracking and wasted driving.
Along the way headed north, I planned to hit: Babylon Elsdorf, Samya Cologne, Living Room Kaarst, Acapulco Gold, and finally Venus Hamminkeln.
When I get near Arnhem, it looks like the choices are limited to "private houses", like Casa Rossa, Coco Plaza, and Camilla Prive. Might not even be worth a stop.
Then I'll head east to Kassel and hit Sky Saunaclub Wuppertal and Penelope Castorp on the way.
When I'm over in the Kassel area, I was looking at Girls Haus in Brilon and Das Parkschloss Club in Marsberg, but I cannot find recent info. Does anyone have any ideas for the Kassel area?
On my way back west to Cologne, I planned to try Finca Erotica in Dierdorf and World in Giessen, but those clubs sound like they are dead. I would appreciate any suggestions in that general area. I don't want to go way out of my way, so maybe Oase (which I am very familiar with, but have not really been back since it returned to post pandemic normal) or Bernds (which I have never visited and is an icon, before it closes forever)? Or should I just head back to Samya or Babylon?
Among the NRW clubs, which one would be worth a second trip? Babylon?
Any suggestions greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]Oase and World are in Hessen, not NRW. Finca is also not in NRW. Close to Koln, Samya, Babylon Elsdorf, Bernds for AO. Close to Dusseldorf, Penelope, Gold, Magnum. Many girls are on holidays on August.
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Any suggestions greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]Did you intentionally leave out the RTC clubs where bareback is available?
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[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2841862]Did you intentionally leave out the RTC clubs where bareback is available?[/QUOTE]Bernds may be the best for this, or some at Bab, compare to cheap but low level with uglies RTC.
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[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2841862]Did you intentionally leave out the RTC clubs where bareback is available?[/QUOTE]From all that I have read, the bareback clubs have an older less attractive workforce. My favorite is young GFE with lots of DFK and BBBJ. Old and potentially ugly with good service is not appealing to me.
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[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2841874]From all that I have read, the bareback clubs have an older less attractive workforce. My favorite is young GFE with lots of DFK and BBBJ. Old and potentially ugly with good service is not appealing to me.[/QUOTE]That's a bit harsh. First, AO providers at the RTCs typically include GFE / DFK / BBBJ at an affordable price. In addition, some of the women are in their 20's, most under 40. Plus they are frequently poor Romanians, so they are underfed and thin.
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[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2842122]That's a bit harsh. First, AO providers at the RTCs typically include GFE / DFK / BBBJ at an affordable price. In addition, some of the women are in their 20's, most under 40. Plus they are frequently poor Romanians, so they are underfed and thin.[/QUOTE]GFE in 20 mn with a bad teeth, such a joke. We really don t all have same meaning for GFE, meaning for me feeling like with a normal girlfriend and FK or BBBJ are not enough to have this feeling. 30/20 is too expensive for such low quality. I much prefer real high level GFE like at Sharks on Saturday for 150/80 when she didn t have sex for 3 months and was so wet, or 200/90 with a now escorting, so rare German, when I pay for quality, not for just cheap.
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[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2842122]That's a bit harsh. First, AO providers at the RTCs typically include GFE / DFK / BBBJ at an affordable price. In addition, some of the women are in their 20's, most under 40. Plus they are frequently poor Romanians, so they are underfed and thin.[/QUOTE]Ok. Now you have my attention. That sounds good. Which one should I try? Luder Lounge?
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[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2842158]Ok. Now you have my attention. That sounds good. Which one should I try? Luder Lounge?[/QUOTE]We don t all have same eyes and level of demand for real GFE and level for sex. My advice for AO are Bernds and Bab for higher quality. When we are able, can sometimes in normal clubs, without even asking, just happening while passion. RTC are like China and Korea, just for cheap, not for quality.
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[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2842158]Ok. Now you have my attention. That sounds good. Which one should I try? Luder Lounge?[/QUOTE]Prior to COVID I could have given you a detailed opinion, but I've not been to Germany again since! So I'm back here and at some German language AO sites. Bernd's is a good suggestion if you can get there before they close. Wish I could. Although AO is less certain there. I'm a fan of Dietzenbach near Frankfurt (ie not the NRW). In that area you can go to non-RTCs Sharks and Oase, and the RLD right by the trains. (You can train to Dietzenbach as well). For the NRW you may want to rent a car.
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[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2842420]Prior to COVID I could have given you a detailed opinion, but I've not been to Germany again since! So I'm back here and at some German language AO sites. Bernd's is a good suggestion if you can get there before they close. Wish I could. Although AO is less certain there. I'm a fan of Dietzenbach near Frankfurt (ie not the NRW). In that area you can go to non-RTCs Sharks and Oase, and the RLD right by the trains. (You can train to Dietzenbach as well). For the NRW you may want to rent a car.[/QUOTE]Entry 50 after 8 pm at Bernds with foods and good drinks and I m pretty sure AO is with almost all girls for 50 extra. Some also propose at Bab for 50 . In RTC, must be almost blind to find one to pay for, when I would not go for free, when You see kind of misery through looks there.
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[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2840861]I went to Cancun a few times 25 years ago. I would go to Chillie Willies and the the group of clubs for the locals called Vente Uno. The hotel workers saw me going every night and told me I should go to Rio instead because that is where they went and it was better. I followed their advice.
My memory of Cancun may be better than it actually was. There was one club called Climax. It had cages and they dropped balloons. It had rooms around a balcony for sex and little stalls on the first floor for lap dances.
I liked Rio for the ease of doing multiple woman at once and the women were warm and engaging. When I was in Rio they said Centaurus was the best in Brazil. That was a long time ago too. It was a much more international destination so there is no comparison.
I don't think anyone should follow my advise because I can like some ordinary women. I did a really good looking woman with calluses on her feet in Costa Rica. She may not have owned shoes. There was another woman who I think was pregnant who flirted with all the men in the hotel lobby and screamed during sex in my hotel room. That is fun for me.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing your experiences.
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Help a Bro out
First time back to Europe in over 10 yearsish, but the horrible airline flights from Asia to the USA compell me to make an overnight stop in Frankfurt.
Arrive on a Thursday 6 am. The issue is, head to Oase or Sharks? I would like to arrive there at about noonish and just chill.
Now I remember the facilties at Oase were pretty cool, loads of places to snooze. I might do two or three sessions, am not at my age able to manage more then that.
Although I do remeber that in the Theartre in Oase, some skinny Romanian girl who was hot and *****y bet me she could make me cum despite my protestations, memories, memories. Great barbeque the and too.
So which one should I go to relax, snooze, eat and play? If the weather is good? If the weather sucks?
I can repay with thr real Bangkok info if necessary.
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[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2842643]First time back to Europe in over 10 yearsish, but the horrible airline flights from Asia to the USA compell me to make an overnight stop in Frankfurt.
Arrive on a Thursday 6 am. The issue is, head to Oase or Sharks? I would like to arrive there at about noonish and just chill.
Now I remember the facilities at Oase were pretty cool, loads of places to snooze. I might do two or three sessions, am not at my age able to manage more then that.
Although I do remember that in the Theartre in Oase, some skinny Romanian girl who was hot and *****y bet me she could make me cum despite my protestations, memories, memories. Great barbeque the and too.
So which one should I go to relax, snooze, eat and play? If the weather is good? If the weather sucks?
I can repay with thr real Bangkok info if necessary.[/QUOTE]I think at both opening at 11 am, You can find prettier than Thai , from what showed me my French friend, when mostly worthing because cheap, like most in Asia, level of quality in par with cheap.
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[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2842643]First time back to Europe in over 10 yearsish, but the horrible airline flights from Asia to the USA compell me to make an overnight stop in Frankfurt.
Arrive on a Thursday 6 am. The issue is, head to Oase or Sharks? I would like to arrive there at about noonish and just chill.
Now I remember the facilties at Oase were pretty cool, loads of places to snooze. I might do two or three sessions, am not at my age able to manage more then that.
Although I do remeber that in the Theartre in Oase, some skinny Romanian girl who was hot and *****y bet me she could make me cum despite my protestations, memories, memories. Great barbeque the and too.
So which one should I go to relax, snooze, eat and play? If the weather is good? If the weather sucks?
I can repay with thr real Bangkok info if necessary.[/QUOTE]This is what I do when I have long layover at Fra. Store your luggage at airport (there is luggage storage on arrival floor and about E8 per 24 hrs?) catch train to Friedrichdolf (you need to make change at Frankfurt main train station). When you get out at Friedrichdolf station (last stop). You can either take taxi (E15 or less) or Walk to Oase. I like walking as you just had long flight from Asia, need to get.
Blood moving. It will be 40 minutes walk but it will be fun if the weather is good. Once you are at Oase, there will be a quite room that you can take nap (girls are not allowed to go there). Of Course, there will be food, sauna, swimming pool, lounge chairs. Girls quantity will not as much as Sharks, but you will see 20-50 girls easily. Enjoy your time and have fun.
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Prefer Oase over Sharks
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2842643]First time back to Europe in over 10 yearsish, but the horrible airline flights from Asia to the USA compell me to make an overnight stop in Frankfurt.
Arrive on a Thursday 6 am. The issue is, head to Oase or Sharks? I would like to arrive there at about noonish and just chill.
Now I remember the facilties at Oase were pretty cool, loads of places to snooze. I might do two or three sessions, am not at my age able to manage more then that.
Although I do remeber that in the Theartre in Oase, some skinny Romanian girl who was hot and *****y bet me she could make me cum despite my protestations, memories, memories. Great barbeque the and too.
So which one should I go to relax, snooze, eat and play? If the weather is good? If the weather sucks?
I can repay with thr real Bangkok info if necessary.[/QUOTE]I suggest you go to Oase, instead of Sharks. It is much easier to rest in Oase. Sharks is a bit noisier. I have had experiences in both, trying to nap.
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[QUOTE=Lefeu;2842899]I suggest you go to Oase, instead of Sharks. It is much easier to rest in Oase. Sharks is a bit noisier. I have had experiences in both, trying to nap.[/QUOTE]I think, on Summer, better to sleep in Sharks garden and easier to reach fast from airport.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2842817]I think at both opening at 11 am, You can find prettier than Thai , from what showed me my French friend, when mostly worthing because cheap, like most in Asia, level of quality in par with cheap.[/QUOTE]Not all in Asia is cheap LOL.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2842914]I think, on Summer, better to sleep in Sharks garden and easier to reach fast from airport.[/QUOTE]Like the stoned idiot I am, I forgot to mention that I have an overnight stay. Thus, I get in at 6:00 am, and don't leave till 2:00 pm The next day. Since I'm going to the States, I probably have to get to the airport at like 11:00 am Although I have no luggage at all.
So most of my action will be between noonish and maybe 1:00 am Before I pass out.
Now you guys put out some great reports and you have your favorite girls and etc, but it's almost like I'm more concerned about the facilities and the relaxation factor. When I was last over your side of the world, and I was in Oase they had this giant hot tub where I spend hours chilling and chatting with my fellow attendees and even watching football while hot skinny chicks with robo boobs strolled around. Again a lot is weather dependent, but how is the outdoors at Palace vis a vis Oase. I'm going to need a hotel room too, the last time I went there I stayed in bad Homburg just to have something to do when I needed a break. That was a cool little town. I see there are rooms everywhere around both places, any favorites? Just a place to poop and sleep.
I don't lick toes.
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[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2843158]Like the stoned idiot I am, I forgot to mention that I have an overnight stay. Thus, I get in at 6:00 am, and don't leave till 2:00 pm The next day. Since I'm going to the States, I probably have to get to the airport at like 11:00 am Although I have no luggage at all.
So most of my action will be between noonish and maybe 1:00 am Before I pass out.
Now you guys put out some great reports and you have your favorite girls and etc, but it's almost like I'm more concerned about the facilities and the relaxation factor. When I was last over your side of the world, and I was in Oase they had this giant hot tub where I spend hours chilling and chatting with my fellow attendees and even watching football while hot skinny chicks with robo boobs strolled around. Again a lot is weather dependent, but how is the outdoors at Palace vis a vis Oase. I'm going to need a hotel room too, the last time I went there I stayed in bad Homburg just to have something to do when I needed a break. That was a cool little town. I see there are rooms everywhere around both places, any favorites? Just a place to poop and sleep.
I don't lick toes.[/QUOTE]No outdoor at Palace, but at Mainhattan, Sharks and Oase. More girls at Sharks than at Oase, but Oase casting may be more attractive around noon.
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No outdoors
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2843158]Like the stoned idiot I am, I forgot to mention that I have an overnight stay. Thus, I get in at 6:00 am, and don't leave till 2:00 pm The next day. Since I'm going to the States, I probably have to get to the airport at like 11:00 am Although I have no luggage at all.
So most of my action will be between noonish and maybe 1:00 am Before I pass out.
Now you guys put out some great reports and you have your favorite girls and etc, but it's almost like I'm more concerned about the facilities and the relaxation factor. When I was last over your side of the world, and I was in Oase they had this giant hot tub where I spend hours chilling and chatting with my fellow attendees and even watching football while hot skinny chicks with robo boobs strolled around. Again a lot is weather dependent, but how is the outdoors at Palace vis a vis Oase. I'm going to need a hotel room too, the last time I went there I stayed in bad Homburg just to have something to do when I needed a break. That was a cool little town. I see there are rooms everywhere around both places, any favorites? Just a place to poop and sleep.
I don't lick toes.[/QUOTE]There is no outdoor area at Palace, Mainhatten has an outdoor area if you need to visit an FKK in the city. I think you were referring to the hot tub indoors outside the restaurant, this has been filled in now. It never appealed to me after seeing a girl give a guy a hand job in it.
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Who's got the best Food. I want to eat my $75 worth.
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[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2843442]Who's got the best Food. I want to eat my $75 worth.[/QUOTE]Pfff .... Short answer: None of them. Eat elsewhere.
Long answer:
What kind of food are you looking for?
- If you like egg and bacon in some form, then all clubs provide this from 12 to 3 pm at least. Plus ham and cheese and jam, tea and coffee. Fruits.
- Sharks used to have ok-ish Chinese food.
- Oase has pizzas from their own stone oven (from 5- 6 pm to midnight at least). They also advertise a XXL Brunch every Saturday and Sunday (see website for details).
- Mainhattan used to have the best chef a few years ago, but I am not up to date.
- All the clubs have cheap BBQ outdoors in the evenings if the weather is good. Otherwise there will be a poor buffet indoor. Most salads/vegetables destroyed by vinegar German style. Keep expectations low.
Usually no food between 3.30 and 5 pm (-ish). Probably nothing from opening till noon, and limited options the last couple of hours before closing.
All clubs save on food in summertime (due to low attendance). Let's hope it improves in September.
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[QUOTE=Shark16;2843561]Pfff .... Short answer: None of them. Eat elsewhere.
Long answer:
What kind of food are you looking for?
- If you like egg and bacon in some form, then all clubs provide this from 12 to 3 pm at least. Plus ham and cheese and jam, tea and coffee. Fruits.
- Sharks used to have ok-ish Chinese food.
- Oase has pizzas from their own stone oven (from 5- 6 pm to midnight at least). They also advertise a XXL Brunch every Saturday and Sunday (see website for details).
- Mainhattan used to have the best chef a few years ago, but I am not up to date.
- All the clubs have cheap BBQ outdoors in the evenings if the weather is good. Otherwise there will be a poor buffet indoor. Most salads/vegetables destroyed by vinegar German style. Keep expectations low.
Usually no food between 3.30 and 5 pm (-ish). Probably nothing from opening till noon, and limited options the last couple of hours before closing.
All clubs save on food in summertime (due to low attendance). Let's hope it improves in September.[/QUOTE]I love it. Any type of western food even smothered in vinegar is fine with me.
I think I've pretty much made up my mind to go to sharks as it will be the most convenient on a one-day layover. There is a hotel about a klick away called the Dormero and that's 300 m from the darmstad North station.
So my plan would be to arrive at 6:00 am, and by the time I clear customs and immigration It's probably like 7:30 ish. I only have a small backpack, so I was thinking of taking the train to darmstadt North. On the other hand I could be lazy and just take a cab.
So before I make further plans, anybody have a recommendation for a savagely tasty breakfast in the area of where I'm going to be.
I assume that once I check into sharks, probably at around opening time, I can come and go as I please. Like head back to the hotel if necessary, etc.
I assume that one merely needs to get on telegram to find some herbal supplements? Living in legal / semillegal areas has spoiled me. Please don't tell me a park or a train station.
Anything else I need to know? Oh and I assume the girls don't discriminate against old geezers like me? I'm not crippled or wearing a diaper just smoke a lot of weed and look like a relic from 1968.
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Casual touching
Are there any clubs where the girls are particularly friendly, where they touch you and allow casual touching while waiting around, without committing to a session?
I'll be in Frankfurt, so I'm most interested in opportunities around there.
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[QUOTE=Dak0330;2849127]Are there any clubs where the girls are particularly friendly, where they touch you and allow casual touching while waiting around, without committing to a session?
I'll be in Frankfurt, so I'm most interested in opportunities around there.[/QUOTE]Not around Frankfurt, but at Babylon Elsdorf or Bernds around Koln. Not so far with a car.
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Really?
[QUOTE=Dak0330;2849127]Are there any clubs where the girls are particularly friendly, where they touch you and allow casual touching while waiting around, without committing to a session?
I'll be in Frankfurt, so I'm most interested in opportunities around there.[/QUOTE]What a strange question, and maybe classified as stupid too. If you were a girl would you want to be treated in this manner? If a girl is touching a guy then a light and brief feel of the ass should be the limit, prolonged touching and in different areas will inevitably result in the girl having a reasonable assumption the guy is going to book. Is that what you want to do then, just go to a club and fondle the girls without having any sessions? Come on man, the girls are there to make a living. My apologies if I mis-read your post.
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Couch Time
[QUOTE=Abox79;2849232]What a strange question, and maybe classified as stupid too. If you were a girl would you want to be treated in this manner? If a girl is touching a guy then a light and brief feel of the ass should be the limit, prolonged touching and in different areas will inevitably result in the girl having a reasonable assumption the guy is going to book. Is that what you want to do then, just go to a club and fondle the girls without having any sessions? Come on man, the girls are there to make a living. My apologies if I mis-read your post.[/QUOTE]Well, some guys enjoy some quality "couch time" before going to the room. I understand that used to be a thing in FKKs in the very beginning, but it long ago vanished. That's one of the great things about Brazil. Lots of DFKing, groping, and other couch time goodies can still be had before going to the room. It's a cultural thing in Brazil I think. But let's give the OP the benefit of the doubt, and not assume that he only wants to fondle the girls without committing to a room. Maybe it's some couch time that he wants. I would just say though that if you know you're not going to take the girl then keep it brief and light if offered. This is true even for Brazil. As you say, the girls offer us their bodies to make money.
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I remember one at LR who made big business companionship in couch, often not even going to room, no fuck, with some clients. One at Sharks also, having a client to drink champagne in couch for hours.
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Couch time
[QUOTE=TheCane;2849336]Well, some guys enjoy some quality "couch time" before going to the room. I understand that used to be a thing in FKKs in the very beginning, but it long ago vanished. That's one of the great things about Brazil. Lots of DFKing, groping, and other couch time goodies can still be had before going to the room. It's a cultural thing in Brazil I think. But let's give the OP the benefit of the doubt, and not assume that he only wants to fondle the girls without committing to a room. Maybe it's some couch time that he wants. I would just say though that if you know you're not going to take the girl then keep it brief and light if offered. This is true even for Brazil. As you say, the girls offer us their bodies to make money.[/QUOTE]Yes, 10+ years ago there was more 'couch time' than now. That said I witnessed and heard of instances where the guy was making out, kissing, groping etc for long periods of time and then saying "maybe later" to the girls, understandable they girls were livid. Some guys just keep pushing their luck. Yes, I know girls aren't perfect either.
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Perfection
[QUOTE=Abox79;2849496]Yes, 10+ years ago there was more 'couch time' than now. That said I witnessed and heard of instances where the guy was making out, kissing, groping etc for long periods of time and then saying "maybe later" to the girls, understandable they girls were livid. Some guys just keep pushing their luck. Yes, I know girls aren't perfect either.[/QUOTE]Yeah, a few times I had girls try to tell me I was obligated to take them to the room because they took the time to stand there and talk to me for a bit. I just laughed and said I understood they were there to make money and were free to leave at anytime in search of business. And then some even had the gall to ask for a tip! Laughed in their face and gave a firm "no". Damn straight the girls aren't perfect.
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Drink
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2849494]I remember one at LR who made big business companionship in couch, often not even going to room, no fuck, with some clients. One at Sharks also, having a client to drink champagne in couch for hours.[/QUOTE]There is a girl; some one told me she is a serbian one, just drink even she is alone or with a guy who pays for drinks. Even she is alone, she drinks alchool and do not go to rooms for hours. ı think we speak about the same girl. She wears something like fishnet or close thing. A different style of a woman.
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Monger Retirement
What do you guys think is the appropriate age to retire from the hobby? I know some on this site have fessed up to being in their 70's. When is the right time to hang it all up so to speak? Any thoughts?
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[QUOTE=Gilliat;2849683]There is a girl; some one told me she is a serbian one, just drink even she is alone or with a guy who pays for drinks. Even she is alone, she drinks alchool and do not go to rooms for hours. ı think we speak about the same girl. She wears something like fishnet or close thing. A different style of a woman.[/QUOTE]No, the one at Sharks is lovely Romanian who always propose me to go to room to fuck. No champagne in couch with a bad French like me.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2849705]What do you guys think is the appropriate age to retire from the hobby? I know some on this site have fessed up to being in their 70's. When is the right time to hang it all up so to speak? Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]I think time is when You are not able to get pleasure anymore, when pleasure is not only emptying balls. Same for frustrated followers who waste their money, but are not able to get same pleasure, they should better save their money and do something else, when not able with girls.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2849705]What do you guys think is the appropriate age to retire from the hobby? I know some on this site have fessed up to being in their 70's. When is the right time to hang it all up so to speak? Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]I'm nowhere near the stage but I suppose when you can't get a stiffy, even with the aid of ED meds?
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2849705]What do you guys think is the appropriate age to retire from the hobby? I know some on this site have fessed up to being in their 70's. When is the right time to hang it all up so to speak? Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]Why retire as long as you have fun?
Personally I go to clubs to have sex, but I hear there are people who find "intimate emotions" in brothels.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2849847]Why retire as long as you have fun?
Personally I go to clubs to have sex, but I hear there are people who find "intimate emotions" in brothels.[/QUOTE]I think you are limited to play only with your size. We should not experience same.
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Life and Death
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2849847]Why retire as long as you have fun? Personally I go to clubs to have sex, but I hear there are people who find "intimate emotions" in brothels.[/QUOTE]The way I see it, we were all born out of some pussy. So, we may as well die up in some too. Hell, I'll die up in that [B]ass[/B]! Hahahaha!
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Mega-post for 6 club tour
Here is my mega post for a six club tour of the NRW area plus Oase. TL / DR: The FKK Club system is dying and many of the girls are sex robots. FKK Babylon and Samya are the exceptions.
Impressions of FKK Babylon Saunaclub in Elsdorf:
The club is clean and medium sized and geared for a local crowd of German retirees, not international business travelers. It has an outdoor pool and indoor sauna and hot tub / jacuzzi. Reception is straight ahead, then you backtrack to the entrance where the lockers and showers are located. Wallets or valuables don't have a separate locker. Tons of little towels available in a rack opposite reception for drying off and one large towel given to you when you pay the entrance of 70 Euro for covering up. No robes. Girls are naked. They charge 60 Euro for the first half hour and 50 Euro more for each additional half hour. Minimal discussion of up charges. The lineup was actually pretty decent, with relatively few heavily tattooed girls. A good number of natural breasts. Pretty much 95% Romanian, like most clubs. Reasonably young and attractive girls. No very old or very ugly girls. One group of younger, fresher girls with minimal tattoos and no silicone were sitting together in the smoking area. None of them spoke English, which is pretty unusual. Two girls wandering around were too overweight to call voluptuous. Probably around 20 girls. Saw several blowjobs in public, but didn't see any sex in public. Very small dining area. Food was spotty. Often I would be standing behind an overweight German who was scraping the steam tray bare and I was left without even gravy or crumbs. I would say the food was club average, meaning edible, but unacceptable if it were a restaurant. Attendance on a Saturday afternoon was about 4:1 guys to girls. The guys were all ethnic German and skewed pretty old. I didn't see any Turks, for example. I didn't hear any English, except when speaking to the girls. The ratio of guys to girls was terrible, yet I never had to wait for a girl. Seemed like many guys were there to quietly drink beer and watch soccer. It is always funny to me when a "club" is playing dance music and has party lights and there are naked girls and the girls are faced with a roomful of sedate overweight Germans staring at a TV. If the FKK clubs were in Latin America, everyone would be talking and laughing and dancing and hooting at the girls. Instead, it feels like a motor vehicle registration office. It's not bad for relaxing, it's just funny. Had rooms with 2 Romanian girls, one was named Tanja. She had well done breast implants. I don't like implants and I didn't notice until she was upside down for the BBBJ and I could see the scars. Pretty lackluster session with no GFE feeling and no real passion. Average acceptable Romanian service. The other girl, whose name I can't remember, was worse and tried to block me from entering her pussy deeply and refused to really kiss. I left the room without cumming. It was that bad. Where is the reputation for service? I thought Babylon was supposed to have great service. I was searching out a replacement, but couldn't really find another girl that inspired me. Then I saw an African girl named Iman from Mali. Attractive face and decent body. Great engaging personality. Perfect English. Top notch service. Great passionate kissing, enthusiasm for DATY, great soft deep BBBJ with unprompted stroking of my anus, and enthusiastic deep FS. 10/10 for service. At this point, I decided to ditch the Romanian girls and try another African girl. This time the girl was Chayna from Rwanda with a huge Afro and she was big fleshy voluptuous girl, unlike my usual favorites. She offered rimming for an extra 30, I accepted and she went to town. Full on rimming for a solid 5-10 minutes. Basically another 10/10 performer. Based on these two girls, the FKK clubs need to start hiring African girls, or maybe I need to look into traveling to Africa. Getting to Babylon is not easy and essentially requires a rental car. The public transportation from Cologne is spotty and requires taking a train to Horrem, then trying to take a bus to nearby Babylon and walking, or taking an expensive taxi, all of which was time consuming and wasn't as straightforward as I thought it would be. It would have been much faster to rent a car from Cologne airport. Also, when I requested a taxi at Babylon to get back to my hotel, the Babylon reception, which barely spoke any English, acted as if that was a tall order and I would be lucky if they could find one. Uber didn't work. No drivers in this rural part of Germany, and apparently the German government has tried to crush Uber. In a nutshell, rent a car.
For the international traveler who is looking to mix a few FKK visits into their holiday, this might be a club worth checking out. It is much smaller than Sharks or Oase, but it is a very well done medium sized local club. It is difficult to access via public transportation, and it is not located near any other tourist attractions. If you were traveling with a wingman and renting a car, then I would definitely include Babylon. There is a website that lists the girls in attendance at Babylon, but the pics are scrubbed of tattoos. If you look at the pictures and add some large tattoos for about half the girls, then you have a decent idea of what to expect. Of note, the ages of the girls are listed and I was surprised to see that both African girls were significantly older than I would have guessed.
[URL]https://www.saunaclubs.org/huren/club/saunaclub-babylon.1/[/URL]
Later in my trip, after visiting 5 other FKK clubs, I decided to return to FKK Babylon. As you'll see in my other reviews, my experience at the other clubs was pretty disappointing. I returned to Babylon because it was the best of the six clubs. Not necessarily the best facilities, although they were very good. Definitely not the best food. The girls at Babylon gave the best service. That is why I returned. For my second visit, I started with Nadja, a Romanian with long dark hair with white highlights braided into corn rows. She had some acne scarring. I didn't have high hopes, but she was the girl that really confirmed my choice to return. Good kissing, responsive to DATY, great soft BBBJ, followed by excellent wide open covered vaginal sex. She was a home run. Given that experience, I started looking again at girls I had overlooked. My next choice was Katerina, a tiny Bulgarian girl with puffy nipples and big tits for her size. Again, great kissing, very active and appreciative during DATY and again wide open welcoming wet covered vaginal sex. A second home run. Lastly, I chose Sara, a girl who had some negative comments on the lineup link that I posted above. I didn't know that until later. She spoke about 5 words in English. Sara has cafe au lait skin with a gap between her two front teeth and a freckle below one breast and no tattoos that I can remember. I had caught her eye and she seemed very interested in me. Later, she sat in the jacuzzi and kept looking me in the eye, but remember that she couldn't speak English basically at all. Clearly, she wanted to go to the room with me, but it would be awkward since we couldn't communicate. Well, it wasn't awkward. It was awesome. I think she was attracted to me more than just attracted to my wallet. She gave a 10/10 GFE experience from start to finish. The best kissing from any girl in 6 clubs. After my experiences in the other clubs, I was ready to write about the death of the FKK experience, and it certainly is dying in most clubs, but Babylon still has those fresh girls that haven't turned into robots, the experience I remember from when I first started going to FKK clubs 15 years ago.
For what it is worth, I have found that if the girl is kissing well and responding with enthusiasm early, I will then tell her that I want to go slow and stay an hour in the room. That worked well at Babylon.
Impressions of FKK Samya in Cologne:
The club is large and becomes a party in the evening. It is clean and attracts a younger bearded crowd of men, presumably Turks / Muslims. The girls tended to be younger than the average in FKK clubs. They are currently under construction, so most of the lockers are located down a skinny hallway. The showers are a small area downstairs along with the sauna and steam room. The food was club average, edible but nothing special. Reception is behind the building, so if you arrive walking from the street, you have to walk to the right of the building to the parking lot, where you will find the entrance. In the main bar area, there is an elevated stage and in the evening, the music switched to a DJ and the girls would dance along with guests. It was the exact opposite of the FKK Babylon scene with its fat and sedate old German men. The atmosphere at FKK Samya was a lively dance party. Even the older German guys were reasonably physically fit and got up on the stage, in fact the best "act" was a German guy in his 70's with a moustache who had brought crazy props for his dance performance, including a stuffed animal, a cane, colored glasses, and multiple layers of shirts that he stripped off. It was totally amateur, but funny.
The entrance was 70 Euro and the girls were asking 50 Euro per half hour. That includes no real kissing only chaste pecking, covered blowjob, and covered vaginal sex. Better service requires negotiation. I found girls ready to accept 150 Euro / hour for real GFE, with French kissing and BBBJ. Nonetheless, I had 3 girls who promised good service, and only one actually provided good service. The first girl had a dark shoulder length bob and wore glasses. She had large dragon-like tattoos on her back. She told me she was 19 years old. She barely kissed and only became pleasant after prolonged DATY. I had watched her interact with other guests and girls and she seemed to have a pleasant personality, but I didn't get much of that in the room. The session ended fine, but it was nothing special. Performance was 5/10. The second girl was named Sara, had blonde hair and almost no tattoos, only a subtle one on her wrist with a name and a crown. She said she was 21 years old. She was very sweet and pleasant and had a beautiful natural body and small beautiful breasts. She kissed with decent enthusiasm and opened herself wide for deep vaginal sex. Would rate her performance around a 7-8/10. The last girl was a real disaster. I believe her name was Isabella. She wasn't naked in the club, and so I suffered a nasty surprise in the room. In fact, none of the girls are naked in Samya. A few were topless. This girl's body was a real disappointment once the clothes came off. Her performance was even worse. She had sad looking saggy tiny breasts and a baby tummy. She claimed she loved to kiss and have her pussy eaten. In the room, she did neither. I stood up after 5 minutes and left the room. Performance 1/10. I will never understand this. If I were her and I knew that my body would be a disappointment, I would work doubly hard to make the customer happy and leave raving about my service. Instead, the crummy body matches the crummy service. Overall, the club was lively and fun, but two of three girls were disappointing. I was planning to have 4 girls but after the third one, I was disgruntled and left the club. I guess that at FKK Samya, things are back to pre-COVID normal, meaning you have to do your due diligence and closely vet every girl and make certain the bare minimum list of services (kissing with tongue, pussy eating, blow job without condom) is agreed to before you go to the room. I have been spoiled by Thailand and Spain and Colombia, where I haven't had to be so clinical before the act.
Impressions of Acapulco Gold. Ratingen.
Small club with absolute minimum of wellness facilities, basically just a small sauna. No pool, no jacuzzi. There is a terrace on the roof, but no way to cool off. The receptionist was pleasant and spoke decent English. Entrance was 30 Euro. Time with the girls is 50 Euro per half hour. One of the girls was enlisted to give a tour, which was pretty funny since there wasn't much to see. The first floor has a shower and bathroom for the men. The shower has a slight musty smell. The bathroom has a slight urine smell. The parking lot and outdoor entrance way was strewn with bits of trash and debris. I parked and stepped on an empty blister pack of Cialis as I walked in the parking lot. As you walk past the showers on the left (with an entrance "decorated" with metal chains serving as a curtain) you pass the cinema playing porn on the right and enter the main room with sofas and TVs playing music videos. Soft drinks are available as self-serve from a soda fountain, which I think all clubs should have. Leaving the main room leads you to a sunroom for smoking and the entrance to the kitchen / dining area. Only hard boiled eggs, cheese, and sliced ham and rolls were available. Apparently hot food is served later in the evening. The lineup was fairly meager. I counted 12 girls and probably 20-25 guys. It was midday midweek. It was the be team: Hard edged stick thin 20 year old Romanian girls who were looking angry as they sharply spoke to each other in Romanian and then a few Spanish-speaking girls, including one from Dominican Republic and one from Colombia. The Latinas were older, minimum late 30's. Pamela, the girl who gave my tour, was a pleasant buxom blonde, likely in her thirties also. She had been mentioned in an ISG post recently warning everyone to stay clear, so I did. As I looked around the room, no young mongers. Basically, the place seemed like a nursing home with elderly Germans wearing bathrobes and slippers with vacant stares wandering around aimlessly and middle-aged black haired "nurses" with black eye makeup in revealing outfits. I skipped the Romanians and I went with Caramela, the girl from the Dominican Republic. DR girls are usually passionate and sexy. She was good with light FK and deep wet vaginal sex. Excellent service if she had been Romanian, but only average for a Latina. After patiently waiting a few hours to find a suitable second girl, I decided that the lineup was just too blah to bother. Left after only spending 80 Euro. Crazy. Don't think I've ever left an FKK club without even spending 100 Euro. Yes the entrance was inexpensive and the girls' rate is inexpensive, but I was hoping for something more and had plenty of money to spend. I wasn't looking for a bargain, I was looking for fun. Looking at their clientele, I worry about the future of FKK clubs in Germany. So many clients who are literally a few years away from assisted living. This is not a club for international business travelers looking for a peak luxury experience, in fact, after COVID I'm not sure if any club meets that target other than maybe Sharks. It's sad. I realize that Acapulco Gold is a small club, but it just seems down at the heel and almost depressing with trash strewn all around the entrance, not worth traveling to experience.
Impressions of Club Venus, Hamminkeln.
This an absolutely beautiful medium sized club that feels brand new with great clean facilities. Two large jacuzzis on the large patio with about 6-8 outdoor cabins for sex and lots of chaise longue. Nice medium sized sauna and another jacuzzi inside. The rooms are clean, and have vinyl covers on the beds and bottles of disinfectant spray, so I'm assuming they are actually cleaned regularly. Entrance is 60 Euro, which includes 9 Euro towards the a la carte menu. There is no buffet. The food was actually pretty good for club food. I would say among the best I've had in a club, which is a pretty low bar. You order from the menu, then they give you a transponder which beeps when the food is ready. They place the food in a tiny dining area down a hallway across from reception. The showers were clean. Everything seemed very new and well maintained. It is a difficult club to visit without a car and taxi service is very spotty. The receptionist didn't even have a number to call for a taxi. Thankfully, another employee had the number of "Dickman" taxi. Yes. I'm not kidding. Google it and scribble down the number, because you will need it if you don't bring a car. Guess all of the guests drive themselves. I would say of all of the small and medium sized clubs that I've visited over the years (and that would be about a dozen or more), this is one of the very nicest. They obviously hired an interior designer and the lighting and wallpaper and decorations were all top notch. The only similar "classy" and clean and "designer" club I can think of is FKK Sakura. Among medium sized clubs, Babylon in Elsdorf also has nice facilities, but it would take second place to Sakura and Venus. The other mongers were relatively young and fit and pretty much entirely ethnic German. The club was more energetic than many small clubs. The girls would take turns jumping up and dancing sexily in the birdcage in front of the bar, and the bartender would turn on the smoke machine. It was actually pretty entertaining. The TVs were playing some gorgeous solo softcore stripping from a website called:
[URL]https://www.stasyq.com[/URL]
It was very classy and arousing, unlike the hardcore crap that FKK Oase always plays in the hallways and in the lounge, which was more of a sensory overload and gross turnoff. If you want hardcore porn, Venus has a cinema downstairs for that, but it doesn't intrude on the intentional sensuality of the main part of the club. Overall, everything in the club was "on point". That's the good part. The bad part is that the girls were disappointing. I stayed throughout the afternoon and into the evening. There were simply not enough hot girls. I counted 10 girls and about 25 guys. Only a few of the girls were naked or topless, but most were wearing bras and panties, and only a few of the girls really appealed. They were charging 50 Euro per half hour and that included FK, BBBJ, DATY, and covered FS, so the pricing was very reasonable. I confirmed that pricing and services with the girls beforehand. I chose a Bulgarian named Mia, who had a pleasant personality and face, not one of the pissed off faces with vertical wrinkles between the brows that so many of the Romanian girls sport. She was a 8/10 performer, and I was very happy. Her tits were deflated and a little wrinkly, which was a disappointment when she removed the bra, but otherwise, she was a very good girlfriend experience. I tend to have much more luck with sensual GFE sex with Bulgarians than Romanians. No idea why. The pickings were slim but, for my next girl, I had found a pretty blonde girl with glasses and gorgeous natural breasts, and waited for her to finish a room, then watched her leave the building in her street clothes very early in the evening. Damn. No idea why she left during prime time. That left me with not much to choose from. I selected the one girl who was naked most of the time. She had no obvious tattoos and very pretty smallish natural breasts. Body type perfect for me. A Romanian girl with long black hair with the most pleasant face of all of the Romanian girls, which isn't saying much. Her name was Bianca. Was not a good choice. Started to kiss her and sensually stroke her body and you could tell she felt like my foreplay was just wasting her time. You could tell that from the moment we entered the room that it would be a race to fuck and get out of the room ASAP. At this point, I will mention to the ISG reader that I am scrupulously clean, very polite and gentle, and many girls mistake me for a celebrity. So, in other words, she's not trying to hurry because I'm disgusting or fat or stinky or have bad breath or whatever. She is just a scam artist. I started to lick and very lightly suck on her nipples, and she immediately complained that it hurt too much. I started soft wet sensual DATY, which most girls love. The Bulgarian girl clearly loved it, for example. And why wouldn't you love it? You get paid to just lie there and enjoy? Instead, after about 5 minutes, Bianca said "that's enough of that", and proceeded to push me away and wiped her pussy with a paper towel so she could get started on the blow job (and finish me off as quickly as possible). At this point, my dick was super soft. Due to her attitude, I was turned off nearly to the point of anger, which means my body refuses to make an erection. She didn't deserve an erection. She sucked long enough to get me hard, slipped on a condom and it was all over in the blink of an eye. Wasted time. Wasted money. Wasted sperm. If I had known, I would have just repeated with the Bulgarian. She was sensual and sexy, despite the less perfect body. At this point, I decided that the remaining girls were not worth it, so I spoke with the receptionist about getting a taxi. Took some awkward searching for a phone number of a taxi company and waiting for 20 minutes. My hotel was 5 miles away on empty rural roads. Took less than 10 minutes to drive. The fare was 35 Euro. Ouch.
In summary, beautiful facilities, among the very best for a club of this size, with a disappointing lineup of girls. Whether it is post COVID or some other factor, all of the clubs seem to have plenty of guys and only a meager number of lower quality girls. I think the clubs should start recruiting in Latin America and Africa. Those girls know service. I guess the stumbling block is a work visa, but a half dozen Colombian girls in any club would wipe the floor with the Romanian girls. Experience one room with a Colombian or Brazilian girl and most guys would be waiting in line for the South Americans and wouldn't even talk to the Romanians. Maybe the price of 50 Euro per half hour is keeping the prettier girls out of the business? I always felt that keeping the price at 50 Euros for well over 10 years was foolish. This is why the girls started offering crap service for the 50 Euro price, then adding DFK and BBBJ as an "extra" and meanwhile so many of the very best girls disappeared from the brothels and FKK clubs into the online independent sex work world. In my opinion, an FKK session should be great sex. That means a bare minimum of DFK with tongue, DATY, BBBJ, and covered FS, all delivered with a sensual girlfriend attitude. You already paid up to 70 Euro entrance fee, maybe airfare, maybe hotel, maybe taxi fare. Cheapening out on payment for the sex is foolish. If I could be guaranteed great sex, I would pay more than what they are currently charging. Maybe if the standard price was 70 Euro, the prettier girls would return to work in the clubs and the girls would offer great sex? The FKK market is still screwed up: way too many guys overall, way too many guys not going to a room and merely watching, not enough girls, not enough attractive girls, pricing from 10 years ago, overall mediocre service. Old and ugly and overweight and tattooed girls are becoming the norm. It is a mess. An economist would point out that an open labor market would bring in fresh motivated girls from South America and Africa and Southeast Asia and the problem would be instantly fixed and everyone would be happy, monger and owner and provider alike. The only ones who wouldn't like it are the Romanian girls. Somehow, brothels in Spain seem to get lots of young South Americans, so why can't the FKK clubs in Germany (not counting the older Latinas of SKY club in Wuppertal).
Impressions of Penelope Club in Castrop-Rauxel.
This is another slightly down at the heel club, like Acapulco Gold. It's clean, but just not a "luxury" experience. Entry was cheap. Only 30 Euro. The girls were charging 50 Euro per half hour for FK, DATY, BBBJ, covered sex. There is an outdoor sauna and a small outdoor pool, no indoor jacuzzi or other indoor wellness facilities. Fine for summer. Not sure how you would "relax" in the winter without any indoor facilities. Pretty much everything else is in one big room with concrete walls and concrete ceilings. Very industrial and sterile feel to the room, like at a high school that is decorated for prom. The decor looks like someone without interior design training searched online for "party decorations" about 20 years ago and then they never updated the decor. The pillars located around the room are "decorated" with water filled panels that appear to have tiny bubbles floating upwards, however, most of panels are cracked and only half full of water. The food was club normal: grilled sausages and French fries and salad. Edible. Soda fountain and coffee machine available for self service. Plenty of towels. Small room with porn on TV, otherwise TVs in main room are playing music videos. Music was played medium volume, not deafening. Clientele was a good mix of ages and half German half Turkish. When I arrived at 12:00 noon, there were only 4-5 girls and probably 30-40 guys. The ratio got worse as the evening went on. I would say the ratio of men to women at Penelope was the worst I have ever seen. By early evening, there were literally 150+ guys and probably 30 women. At least 5 of those were very attractive. I went with 3 girls. First was Patricia, who was almost certainly Romanian but claimed to be from Valencia Spain. Spoke English with an Eastern European accent. She was overweight, and not really my type, but when I chose her early after the club opened, she was the best of the 5 girls available. Service was good, nothing special. Next girl was Ellen or Helen, a beautiful Romanian with natural pert tits and minimal tattoos who stood near the small lockers all evening. She had dark hair in a bob that was chin length. I had high hopes, since she was so attractive. Poor service. No enthusiasm. Another sex robot trying to get out of the room in record time. At this point, I was getting discouraged. I did see a dark black girl, and assumed that she was probably African and that I would finally have a positive experience. No luck. As I went to speak with her, another guy moved in and away they went. It was getting late and I didn't want to wait in line for her. I saw a very slim and youthful girl with braided pig tails who looked very natural. Her name was Christina. Romanian, of course. She said she was 20 years old with no kids. Get to the room and: no kissing, no stroking her body because she's "too ticklish", no DATY. Only "relax baby while I give you blowjob", basically to get me hard quickly so we can fuck in 5 minutes and she can return to the hunt ASAP. What a series of crap service and what a sausage fest this club was. I do not understand why locals would come to this club with a ratio of 10 guys for every girl unless they are closeted gays and like to look at naked men. I also don't understand why you would come to a club where the girls offer service like in a laufhaus or Eros center. If I wanted a 5 minute pump and dump, I wouldn't bother with going to a FKK club. Overall, facilities were middle of the pack, a handful of girls were attractive, but the service was crap.
Impressions of FKK Oase.
The first time I visited Oase was about 15 years ago. It was my first visit to an FKK club. It was late summer, a beautiful sunny day with literally hundreds of naked girls walking around in the garden ready to have sex with you at any moment. It was unlike anything you could experience anywhere in the world. I have visited Oase and many other FKK clubs, almost every year since then. COVID put a stop to that. Time has passed, and this visit was my first visit after COVID, and my experience at Oase parallels the other five clubs that I visited on this trip: The FKK clubs are dying. They are a hollow shell of what they were 10-15 years ago, and they are much worse than they were before COVID, when they were already on a steep decline.
In a nutshell, the girls are the problem. No longer can you find a sweet sensual enthusiastic beauty. Instead, the girls are cold and mercenary. The youngest ones are often the most mercenary. I remember when the girls of Oase included girls from many countries and it was such a pleasure to meet them, talk about their home country, and experience "love" from around the world. I am well aware that it is an illusion of "love", but the girls were very good actresses and seldom stepped out of character. I have so many good memories of the most sensual DFK with tongue and stopping long enough to say "Wow wow wow. You are incredible", before diving back into a ferocious and breathless kiss. This would be followed by the most sensual and electric oral and vaginal sex. It was hard to believe that the girls were "faking it", because it just felt so real. Fast forward to today. Cold, quick, and mercenary.
First the facilities: Oase always had one of the best gardens for enjoying a sunny summer day, with the outdoor pool, the bed on the steep little hill with the mirror over the bed, the little cabins and tents. There is a ping pong table and the BBQ station in the yard, as well. The sauna is outside and it large and insanely hot. The huge jacuzzi is adjacent to the indoor dining area, where you can order a la carte pizza in the evenings. The lounge area next to the bar is still as dark as a cave, so it is tough to see whether the girl you are talking to is hot or not. Best to bring her into the light before you commit to anything. The little lockers are across from the bar at the entry and the clothes lockers are downstairs (past the bar). In short, if you have been to Oase before, it is physically unchanged. Now, on to the girls. I would say the lineup was small for my past experience at Oase. Probably 20-25 girls. Probably 50 guys. Remember, that during its heyday, Oase would have 200+ girls and the rooms would be full. You would wait for a key. Nothing like that now. There were a few international traveler types, likely Japanese and Chinese. Later in the evening, a group of what appeared to be Filipino customers arrived. Maybe a few Americans, but not many. This is the only club, besides Sharks, that seems to have a few international travelers post-COVID, which makes sense, since those are the only two mega clubs that have decent facilities and a larger number of girls and everyone can speak English. The girls were almost 100% Romanian. I did see two black African girls, but no Asians or South Americans. My first pick was Nadia, a slim blonde Romanian girl who was standing near reception when I arrived. That might have been a bad sign. Maybe she was desperate for work. Regardless, I wandered around the club for about a hour before deciding that she appealed the most to me. Slim with no tattoos and nice small breasts. Her English was quite good and she "explained" to me that if I wanted a GFE experience, it would be 100 Euro / 30 minutes. The receptionist of course told me that the standard rate of 50 Euro per half hour from the past still applied now. I knew that I would only get crappy service for 50 Euro, so I clarified what I wanted and we went to the room for 100 Euro for 30 minutes. Well, she did everything we discussed, but like a corpse or starfish. Not a mutual experience whatsoever. When I complained and started to leave the room before I had had a chance to cum, she offered to finish for a total of 50 Euro instead of 100 Euro. Weird. I begrudgingly decided to finish rather than leave and pay 50 Euro without cumming at all. Afterwards, I told her that she seemed like she was cold and didn't like her job. She proceeded to explain to me that most guys just want a quick fuck and that after fucking 10 guys a day for months, no girls have any interest in pretending to "make love". Pretty depressing, and makes me wonder why she requested extra for GFE if she refuses to provide it. That pretty much sums up the cold mercenary Romanian sex robot mentality. If I wanted that mechanical type of fucking in Germany, I would just go to an Eros Center or laufhaus, but the whole point of the FKK clubs, starting with Bernds, was top notch service. The steamy and sensual and sexually insatiable girlfriend. Well, the Romanian girls have destroyed that system with the world's worst acting and mediocre mechanical service. I made use of the sauna and had something to eat, then tried to imagine what to do next: Should I just leave? It feels like the end of a romance. The FKK experience is dying. Given my good experience with Africans, I sought out one of the African girls. Her name was Sara and she was from South Africa. I told her about my poor experiences with Romanians and my good experiences with Africans, and hoped that she would step up to the plate and hit a home run for Africa. She reassured me that I would be very happy, and again stated that good service is 100 Euro / 30 minutes. I trusted her reassurances enough to agree to an hour. Things started out pretty good. I requested some South African music, she danced while I stroked her from behind, and eventually we ended up on the bed. I started to kiss her, and she immediately said "not on my face". I was "allowed" to kiss her lips, but not her face. I proceeded to kiss and stroke her chest, and she told me she was "too ticklish" and that her nipples were "too sensitive" for gentle sucking. Soldiering on, I moved to start DATY. I positioned myself in a partial 69 position with her on bottom. Well, she didn't like that. She wanted me to move and position myself between her legs and face her instead, which always hurts my neck, but I didn't argue. Then she kept her legs fairly close together, so I couldn't actually get my mouth close. I was hoping DATY would change her attitude, but no such luck. She did give a very good BBBJ, but pretty much all of the Romanian sex robots can do that. When we moved to vaginal sex in mish, she wouldn't let me fully penetrate her, and when I tried to hold her ass cheeks in my hands, she pulled my hands away and she warned me to not try to fuck her ass. Pretty much a turn off at every turn. Closed and ungenerous service, like a girl having sex who doesn't want it. There are some girls who can make paid sex feel non consensual with all of their limitations. That is pretty much a massive turnoff for me. After all of her complaints and limitations, I couldn't keep focus and just lost interest in having sex at all. Left without cumming. Just like Nadia, Sara did everything she was "contracted" to do, but she found a way to make the whole experience a big disappointment. I arrived at Oase, just like every club, with plenty of money to spend, and left with the vast majority of it still in my pocket.
Will I return to Germany for another FKK tour in the future? Unless something major changes, the answer is no. The FKK club system is dying. 15 years of fantasy is over for me. Of the six clubs that I visited on this trip, here is my summary:
Facilities, best to worst (size of club);.
Club Venus, Hamminkiln (medium).
Club Babylon, Elsdorf (medium).
Oase (extra large).
Samya (large).
Penelope, Castorp-Rauxel (small, clean).
Acapulco Gold, Ratingen (small, dirty).
Girls, best to worst:
Babylon best. Oase worst.
The majority of girls in the clubs across the board offered poor pump and dump service with the notable exception of the girls at Babylon Elsdorf. On this trip, my average was 50% good service 50% bad service. Oase was 100% bad service at double the price. Babylon was 80% good service.
The Demise of the FKK Club system:
I remember 10+ years ago when the larger clubs like Oase were packed with pretty young girls (and not just Romanians) and had tons of international business travelers, like Chinese, Japanese, American, South American, etc. I remember a sunny summer Saturday afternoon at Oase about 10 years ago when the club had at least 200 girls, when I spent the entire day from 10 am to 2 am and had 6 sessions, including with a Greek girl that I fucked on the top of the hill under the mirror, a Persian girl who looked like Cleopatra and whose huge labia got stuck in my teeth, and a cuddly Polish girl with huge naturals and who loved to kiss, and a slim Croatian who offered my first full on rimming. Gone are the soft sweet cuddly girls. Now the clubs are 99.99% Romanian, very mercenary, often the cold sex robot type with severe black eye makeup, bee-sting lips, plastic tits, and more tattoos than a gang member. The fresh natural girls are gone. Ten years ago, I watched the girls all spreading their pretty pussies in the sunshine, I swam in the ice cold swimming pool, and I chatted with ISGers, including one famous ISGer who split his time between Oase and Crazy House on Soi Cowboy, always looking for "gazelles" and avoiding "water buffalos" (his words). It's hard to believe that magical time is gone. It makes me feel like I did when I heard that Annie's and Eden Club in Bangkok closed. The only way to visit these magical places now is a time machine. A real tragedy, because nothing has replaced them. It doesn't look like a real alternative to the FKK clubs that have become zombie clubs exists in Germany. The Swiss clubs are an option. Spanish brothels can be awesome. As I've mentioned in other posts, I think the Latin and African girls are the future. They still know how to make a man ecstatic and they are proud of that skill. I haven't visited the termas of Brazil. That might be the next best alternative now that German FKK clubs are full of soulless cold robots. The combination of German safety and cleanliness with a sex club can't really be replicated in places like Brazil or Thailand, however. The Romanian girls often barely tolerate their customers and the disdain is palpable sometimes. It's a real turn-off and erection killer, unless the thought of a blow up sex doll that hates you is a fantasy of yours.
Why is the FKK system dying? It is a combination of the bizarre sausage fest that exists at most clubs now, with four times as many guys as girls, guys that don't ever take a girl to the room and seem happy to merely look at the girls, and girls that try to offer the fastest and most mechanical service possible. Unfortunately, paying more doesn't fix the problem. I tried that at Oase. Didn't work. The girls feel totally justified providing cold mechanical service or service with a laundry list of limitations. They will even coldly explain to you why they offer crappy service and why you will never get real GFE service from a sex worker. Tell that to the FKK girls of 10 years ago. Tell that to the girls of Thailand or The Philippines or Latin America today. FKK clubs were magical places in years past where you could get the very highest level of GFE paid sex, now they are just overpriced places to pump and dump, and there is no reason to get long distance flights, hotel rooms, and taxi rides, if that is the crappy service available when you arrive. Back when the girls provided real GFE service, I would usually have 4-5 rooms with girls over the course of an entire day. On this trip, I still arrived optimistic with plenty of money and a goal of 4-5 rooms, but was disappointed in every club except Babylon. The clubs still got my entrance fee, but the girls missed out on a ton of Euro I had budgeted every day. If I had budgeted that much for Thailand, I could have had intense GFE for 200 Euro for all night long and still have a ton of Euro left over. In Germany, I had a ton of Euro left over only because the service was crappy. If you are thinking of a "dream trip" to FKK land, I would strongly urge you to spend your vacation time and money somewhere else. The FKK clubs are in steep decline.
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Reading make me think about lack of knowledge, when much better to choose right time for visiting brothels. Also better to behave to give your girl will to follow your way and please you, welcoming you. Still exist on 2023, when money don t buy all, but have to deserve, to receive without begging. Germany is still good potential for me, with more freshness than at Globe and when escorts level fell in Paris and Milano.
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Excellent ground report. Keep it up.
I will plan to be there in November.
[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2852617]Here is my mega post for a six club tour of the NRW area plus Oase. TL / DR: The FKK Club system is dying and many of the girls are sex robots. FKK Babylon and Samya are the exceptions.
Impressions of FKK Babylon Saunaclub in Elsdorf:
The club is clean and medium sized and geared for a local crowd of German retirees, not international business travelers. It has an outdoor pool and indoor sauna and hot tub / jacuzzi. Reception is straight ahead, then you backtrack to the entrance where the lockers and showers are located. Wallets or valuables don't have a separate locker. Tons of little towels available in a rack opposite reception for drying off and one large towel given to you when you pay the entrance of 70 Euro for covering up. No robes. Girls are naked. They charge 60 Euro for the first half hour and 50 Euro more for each additional half hour. Minimal discussion of up charges. The lineup was actually pretty decent, with relatively few heavily tattooed girls. A good number of natural breasts. Pretty much 95% Romanian, like most clubs. Reasonably young and attractive girls. No very old or very ugly girls. One group of younger, fresher girls with minimal tattoos and no silicone were sitting together in the smoking area. None of them spoke English, which is pretty unusual. Two girls wandering around were too overweight to call voluptuous. Probably around 20 girls. Saw several blowjobs in public, but didn't see any sex in public. Very small dining area. Food was spotty. Often I would be standing behind an overweight German who was scraping the steam tray bare and I was left without even gravy or crumbs. I would say the food was club average, meaning edible, but unacceptable if it were a restaurant. Attendance on a Saturday afternoon was about 4:1 guys to girls. The guys were all ethnic German and skewed pretty old.[/QUOTE]
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The clubs still got my entrance fee, but the girls missed out on a ton of Euro I had budgeted every day. If I had budgeted that much for Thailand, I could have had intense GFE for 200 Euro for all night long and still have a ton of Euro left over. In Germany, I had a ton of Euro left over only because the service was crappy. If you are thinking of a "dream trip" to FKK land, I would strongly urge you to spend your vacation time and money somewhere else. The FKK clubs are in steep decline.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Even in Sharks where I sessioned, I ended up spending much less money I'd planned to spend. Crappy attitude and / or line-ups until customers stay out or don't spend money. Unfortunately, FKKs are not the only venue in the World where this has been happening. Ill wind blowing everywhere, only in some parts of the World the downturn is more incremental.
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Numbers about registered sex workers in Germany: [URL]https://www.destatis.de/DE/Presse/Pressemitteilungen/2023/09/PD23_368_228.html[/URL].
Some expected: Registered sex workers total 2019 - 40.3 k, 2021 - 23.7 k, 2022 - 28 k.
Some less expected: For 2022 per citizenship. DE - 18%, RO - 35%, BG - 11%, ESP - 6%.
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Very well written. Unfortunately there's no alternative to FKKs in the moment. Safety, cleanliness, easy to access, price, quantity and quality of girls, and wellness facility provide by the club all make it still the best option for mongers.
[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2852617]Here is my mega post for a six club tour of the NRW area plus Oase. TL / DR: The FKK Club system is dying and many of the girls are sex robots. FKK Babylon and Samya are the exceptions.
Impressions of FKK Babylon Saunaclub in Elsdorf:
The club is clean and medium sized and geared for a local crowd of German retirees, not international business travelers. It has an outdoor pool and indoor sauna and hot tub / jacuzzi. Reception is straight ahead, then you backtrack to the entrance where the lockers and showers are located. Wallets or valuables don't have a separate locker. Tons of little towels available in a rack opposite reception for drying off and one large towel given to you when you pay the entrance of 70 Euro for covering up. No robes. Girls are naked. They charge 60 Euro for the first half hour and 50 Euro more for each additional half hour. Minimal discussion of up charges. The lineup was actually pretty decent, with relatively few heavily tattooed girls. A good number of natural breasts. Pretty much 95% Romanian, like most clubs. Reasonably young and attractive girls. No very old or very ugly girls. One group of younger, fresher girls with minimal tattoos and no silicone were sitting together in the smoking area. None of them spoke English, which is pretty unusual. Two girls wandering around were too overweight to call voluptuous. Probably around 20 girls. Saw several blowjobs in public, but didn't see any sex in public. Very small dining area. Food was spotty. Often I would be standing behind an overweight German who was scraping the steam tray bare and I was left without even gravy or crumbs. I would say the food was club average, meaning edible, but unacceptable if it were a restaurant. Attendance on a Saturday afternoon was about 4:1 guys to girls. The guys were all ethnic German and skewed pretty old. I didn't see any Turks, for example. I didn't hear any English, except when speaking to the girls. The ratio of guys to girls was terrible, yet I never had to wait for a girl. Seemed like many guys were there to quietly drink beer and watch soccer. It is always funny to me when a "club" is playing dance music and has party lights and there are naked girls and the girls are faced with a roomful of sedate overweight Germans staring at a TV. If the FKK clubs were in Latin America, everyone would be talking and laughing and dancing and hooting at the girls. Instead, it feels like a motor vehicle registration office. It's not bad for relaxing, it's just funny. Had rooms with 2 Romanian girls, one was named Tanja. She had well done breast implants. I don't like implants and I didn't notice until she was upside down for the BBBJ and I could see the scars. Pretty lackluster session with no GFE feeling and no real passion. Average acceptable Romanian service. The other girl, whose name I can't remember, was worse and tried to block me from entering her pussy deeply and refused to really kiss. I left the room without cumming. It was that bad. Where is the reputation for service? I thought Babylon was supposed to have great service. I was searching out a replacement, but couldn't really find another girl that inspired me. Then I saw an African girl named Iman from Mali. Attractive face and decent body. Great engaging personality. Perfect English. Top notch service. Great passionate kissing, enthusiasm for DATY, great soft deep BBBJ with unprompted stroking of my anus, and enthusiastic deep FS. 10/10 for service. At this point, I decided to ditch the Romanian girls and try another African girl. This time the girl was Chayna from Rwanda with a huge Afro and she was big fleshy voluptuous girl, unlike my usual favorites. She offered rimming for an extra 30, I accepted and she went to town. Full on rimming for a solid 5-10 minutes. Basically another 10/10 performer. Based on these two girls, the FKK clubs need to start hiring African girls, or maybe I need to look into traveling to Africa. Getting to Babylon is not easy and essentially requires a rental car. The public transportation from Cologne is spotty and requires taking a train to Horrem, then trying to take a bus to nearby Babylon and walking, or taking an expensive taxi, all of which was time consuming and wasn't as straightforward as I thought it would be. It would have been much faster to rent a car from Cologne airport. Also, when I requested a taxi at Babylon to get back to my hotel, the Babylon reception, which barely spoke any English, acted as if that was a tall order and I would be lucky if they could find one. Uber didn't work. No drivers in this rural part of Germany, and apparently the German government has tried to crush Uber. In a nutshell, rent a car.
For the international traveler who is looking to mix a few FKK visits into their holiday, this might be a club worth checking out. It is much smaller than Sharks or Oase, but it is a very well done medium sized local club. It is difficult to access via public transportation, and it is not located near any other tourist attractions. If you were traveling with a wingman and renting a car, then I would definitely include Babylon. There is a website that lists the girls in attendance at Babylon, but the pics are scrubbed of tattoos. If you look at the pictures and add some large tattoos for about half the girls, then you have a decent idea of what to expect. Of note, the ages of the girls are listed and I was surprised to see that both African girls were significantly older than I would have guessed.
[URL]https://www.saunaclubs.org/huren/club/saunaclub-babylon.1/[/URL]
Later in my trip, after visiting 5 other FKK clubs, I decided to return to FKK Babylon. As you'll see in my other reviews, my experience at the other clubs was pretty disappointing. I returned to Babylon because it was the best of the six clubs. Not necessarily the best facilities, although they were very good. Definitely not the best food. The girls at Babylon gave the best service. That is why I returned. For my second visit, I started with Nadja, a Romanian with long dark hair with white highlights braided into corn rows. She had some acne scarring. I didn't have high hopes, but she was the girl that really confirmed my choice to return. Good kissing, responsive to DATY, great soft BBBJ, followed by excellent wide open covered vaginal sex. She was a home run. Given that experience, I started looking again at girls I had overlooked. My next choice was Katerina, a tiny Bulgarian girl with puffy nipples and big tits for her size. Again, great kissing, very active and appreciative during DATY and again wide open welcoming wet covered vaginal sex. A second home run. Lastly, I chose Sara, a girl who had some negative comments on the lineup link that I posted above. I didn't know that until later. She spoke about 5 words in English. Sara has cafe au lait skin with a gap between her two front teeth and a freckle below one breast and no tattoos that I can remember. I had caught her eye and she seemed very interested in me. Later, she sat in the jacuzzi and kept looking me in the eye, but remember that she couldn't speak English basically at all. Clearly, she wanted to go to the room with me, but it would be awkward since we couldn't communicate. Well, it wasn't awkward. It was awesome. I think she was attracted to me more than just attracted to my wallet. She gave a 10/10 GFE experience from start to finish. The best kissing from any girl in 6 clubs. After my experiences in the other clubs, I was ready to write about the death of the FKK experience, and it certainly is dying in most clubs, but Babylon still has those fresh girls that haven't turned into robots, the experience I remember from when I first started going to FKK clubs 15 years ago.
For what it is worth, I have found that if the girl is kissing well and responding with enthusiasm early, I will then tell her that I want to go slow and stay an hour in the room. That worked well at Babylon.
Impressions of FKK Samya in Cologne:
The club is large and becomes a party in the evening. It is clean and attracts a younger bearded crowd of men, presumably Turks / Muslims. The girls tended to be younger than the average in FKK clubs. They are currently under construction, so most of the lockers are located down a skinny hallway. The showers are a small area downstairs along with the sauna and steam room. The food was club average, edible but nothing special. Reception is behind the building, so if you arrive walking from the street, you have to walk to the right of the building to the parking lot, where you will find the entrance. In the main bar area, there is an elevated stage and in the evening, the music switched to a DJ and the girls would dance along with guests. It was the exact opposite of the FKK Babylon scene with its fat and sedate old German men. The atmosphere at FKK Samya was a lively dance party. Even the older German guys were reasonably physically fit and got up on the stage, in fact the best "act" was a German guy in his 70's with a moustache who had brought crazy props for his dance performance, including a stuffed animal, a cane, colored glasses, and multiple layers of shirts that he stripped off. It was totally amateur, but funny.
The entrance was 70 Euro and the girls were asking 50 Euro per half hour. That includes no real kissing only chaste pecking, covered blowjob, and covered vaginal sex. Better service requires negotiation. I found girls ready to accept 150 Euro / hour for real GFE, with French kissing and BBBJ. Nonetheless, I had 3 girls who promised good service, and only one actually provided good service. The first girl had a dark shoulder length bob and wore glasses. She had large dragon-like tattoos on her back. She told me she was 19 years old. She barely kissed and only became pleasant after prolonged DATY. I had watched her interact with other guests and girls and she seemed to have a pleasant personality, but I didn't get much of that in the room. The session ended fine, but it was nothing special. Performance was 5/10. The second girl was named Sara, had blonde hair and almost no tattoos, only a subtle one on her wrist with a name and a crown. She said she was 21 years old. She was very sweet and pleasant and had a beautiful natural body and small beautiful breasts. She kissed with decent enthusiasm and opened herself wide for deep vaginal sex. Would rate her performance around a 7-8/10. The last girl was a real disaster. I believe her name was Isabella. She wasn't naked in the club, and so I suffered a nasty surprise in the room. In fact, none of the girls are naked in Samya. A few were topless. This girl's body was a real disappointment once the clothes came off. Her performance was even worse. She had sad looking saggy tiny breasts and a baby tummy. She claimed she loved to kiss and have her pussy eaten. In the room, she did neither. I stood up after 5 minutes and left the room. Performance 1/10. I will never understand this. If I were her and I knew that my body would be a disappointment, I would work doubly hard to make the customer happy and leave raving about my service. Instead, the crummy body matches the crummy service. Overall, the club was lively and fun, but two of three girls were disappointing. I was planning to have 4 girls but after the third one, I was disgruntled and left the club. I guess that at FKK Samya, things are back to pre-COVID normal, meaning you have to do your due diligence and closely vet every girl and make certain the bare minimum list of services (kissing with tongue, pussy eating, blow job without condom) is agreed to before you go to the room. I have been spoiled by Thailand and Spain and Colombia, where I haven't had to be so clinical before the act.
Impressions of Acapulco Gold. Ratingen.
Small club with absolute minimum of wellness facilities, basically just a small sauna. No pool, no jacuzzi. There is a terrace on the roof, but no way to cool off. The receptionist was pleasant and spoke decent English. Entrance was 30 Euro. Time with the girls is 50 Euro per half hour. One of the girls was enlisted to give a tour, which was pretty funny since there wasn't much to see. The first floor has a shower and bathroom for the men. The shower has a slight musty smell. The bathroom has a slight urine smell. The parking lot and outdoor entrance way was strewn with bits of trash and debris. I parked and stepped on an empty blister pack of Cialis as I walked in the parking lot. As you walk past the showers on the left (with an entrance "decorated" with metal chains serving as a curtain) you pass the cinema playing porn on the right and enter the main room with sofas and TVs playing music videos. Soft drinks are available as self-serve from a soda fountain, which I think all clubs should have. Leaving the main room leads you to a sunroom for smoking and the entrance to the kitchen / dining area. Only hard boiled eggs, cheese, and sliced ham and rolls were available. Apparently hot food is served later in the evening. The lineup was fairly meager. I counted 12 girls and probably 20-25 guys. It was midday midweek. It was the be team: Hard edged stick thin 20 year old Romanian girls who were looking angry as they sharply spoke to each other in Romanian and then a few Spanish-speaking girls, including one from Dominican Republic and one from Colombia. The Latinas were older, minimum late 30's. Pamela, the girl who gave my tour, was a pleasant buxom blonde, likely in her thirties also. She had been mentioned in an ISG post recently warning everyone to stay clear, so I did. As I looked around the room, no young mongers. Basically, the place seemed like a nursing home with elderly Germans wearing bathrobes and slippers with vacant stares wandering around aimlessly and middle-aged black haired "nurses" with black eye makeup in revealing outfits. I skipped the Romanians and I went with Caramela, the girl from the Dominican Republic. DR girls are usually passionate and sexy. She was good with light FK and deep wet vaginal sex. Excellent service if she had been Romanian, but only average for a Latina. After patiently waiting a few hours to find a suitable second girl, I decided that the lineup was just too blah to bother. Left after only spending 80 Euro. Crazy. Don't think I've ever left an FKK club without even spending 100 Euro. Yes the entrance was inexpensive and the girls' rate is inexpensive, but I was hoping for something more and had plenty of money to spend. I wasn't looking for a bargain, I was looking for fun. Looking at their clientele, I worry about the future of FKK clubs in Germany. So many clients who are literally a few years away from assisted living. This is not a club for international business travelers looking for a peak luxury experience, in fact, after COVID I'm not sure if any club meets that target other than maybe Sharks. It's sad. I realize that Acapulco Gold is a small club, but it just seems down at the heel and almost depressing with trash strewn all around the entrance, not worth traveling to experience.
Impressions of Club Venus, Hamminkeln.
This an absolutely beautiful medium sized club that feels brand new with great clean facilities. Two large jacuzzis on the large patio with about 6-8 outdoor cabins for sex and lots of chaise longue. Nice medium sized sauna and another jacuzzi inside. The rooms are clean, and have vinyl covers on the beds and bottles of disinfectant spray, so I'm assuming they are actually cleaned regularly. Entrance is 60 Euro, which includes 9 Euro towards the a la carte menu. There is no buffet. The food was actually pretty good for club food. I would say among the best I've had in a club, which is a pretty low bar. You order from the menu, then they give you a transponder which beeps when the food is ready. They place the food in a tiny dining area down a hallway across from reception. The showers were clean. Everything seemed very new and well maintained. It is a difficult club to visit without a car and taxi service is very spotty. The receptionist didn't even have a number to call for a taxi. Thankfully, another employee had the number of "Dickman" taxi. Yes. I'm not kidding. Google it and scribble down the number, because you will need it if you don't bring a car. Guess all of the guests drive themselves. I would say of all of the small and medium sized clubs that I've visited over the years (and that would be about a dozen or more), this is one of the very nicest. They obviously hired an interior designer and the lighting and wallpaper and decorations were all top notch. The only similar "classy" and clean and "designer" club I can think of is FKK Sakura. Among medium sized clubs, Babylon in Elsdorf also has nice facilities, but it would take second place to Sakura and Venus. The other mongers were relatively young and fit and pretty much entirely ethnic German. The club was more energetic than many small clubs. The girls would take turns jumping up and dancing sexily in the birdcage in front of the bar, and the bartender would turn on the smoke machine. It was actually pretty entertaining. The TVs were playing some gorgeous solo softcore stripping from a website called:
[URL]https://www.stasyq.com[/URL]
It was very classy and arousing, unlike the hardcore crap that FKK Oase always plays in the hallways and in the lounge, which was more of a sensory overload and gross turnoff. If you want hardcore porn, Venus has a cinema downstairs for that, but it doesn't intrude on the intentional sensuality of the main part of the club. Overall, everything in the club was "on point". That's the good part. The bad part is that the girls were disappointing. I stayed throughout the afternoon and into the evening. There were simply not enough hot girls. I counted 10 girls and about 25 guys. Only a few of the girls were naked or topless, but most were wearing bras and panties, and only a few of the girls really appealed. They were charging 50 Euro per half hour and that included FK, BBBJ, DATY, and covered FS, so the pricing was very reasonable. I confirmed that pricing and services with the girls beforehand. I chose a Bulgarian named Mia, who had a pleasant personality and face, not one of the pissed off faces with vertical wrinkles between the brows that so many of the Romanian girls sport. She was a 8/10 performer, and I was very happy. Her tits were deflated and a little wrinkly, which was a disappointment when she removed the bra, but otherwise, she was a very good girlfriend experience. I tend to have much more luck with sensual GFE sex with Bulgarians than Romanians. No idea why. The pickings were slim but, for my next girl, I had found a pretty blonde girl with glasses and gorgeous natural breasts, and waited for her to finish a room, then watched her leave the building in her street clothes very early in the evening. Damn. No idea why she left during prime time. That left me with not much to choose from. I selected the one girl who was naked most of the time. She had no obvious tattoos and very pretty smallish natural breasts. Body type perfect for me. A Romanian girl with long black hair with the most pleasant face of all of the Romanian girls, which isn't saying much. Her name was Bianca. Was not a good choice. Started to kiss her and sensually stroke her body and you could tell she felt like my foreplay was just wasting her time. You could tell that from the moment we entered the room that it would be a race to fuck and get out of the room ASAP. At this point, I will mention to the ISG reader that I am scrupulously clean, very polite and gentle, and many girls mistake me for a celebrity. So, in other words, she's not trying to hurry because I'm disgusting or fat or stinky or have bad breath or whatever. She is just a scam artist. I started to lick and very lightly suck on her nipples, and she immediately complained that it hurt too much. I started soft wet sensual DATY, which most girls love. The Bulgarian girl clearly loved it, for example. And why wouldn't you love it? You get paid to just lie there and enjoy? Instead, after about 5 minutes, Bianca said "that's enough of that", and proceeded to push me away and wiped her pussy with a paper towel so she could get started on the blow job (and finish me off as quickly as possible). At this point, my dick was super soft. Due to her attitude, I was turned off nearly to the point of anger, which means my body refuses to make an erection. She didn't deserve an erection. She sucked long enough to get me hard, slipped on a condom and it was all over in the blink of an eye. Wasted time. Wasted money. Wasted sperm. If I had known, I would have just repeated with the Bulgarian. She was sensual and sexy, despite the less perfect body. At this point, I decided that the remaining girls were not worth it, so I spoke with the receptionist about getting a taxi. Took some awkward searching for a phone number of a taxi company and waiting for 20 minutes. My hotel was 5 miles away on empty rural roads. Took less than 10 minutes to drive. The fare was 35 Euro. Ouch.
In summary, beautiful facilities, among the very best for a club of this size, with a disappointing lineup of girls. Whether it is post COVID or some other factor, all of the clubs seem to have plenty of guys and only a meager number of lower quality girls. I think the clubs should start recruiting in Latin America and Africa. Those girls know service. I guess the stumbling block is a work visa, but a half dozen Colombian girls in any club would wipe the floor with the Romanian girls. Experience one room with a Colombian or Brazilian girl and most guys would be waiting in line for the South Americans and wouldn't even talk to the Romanians. Maybe the price of 50 Euro per half hour is keeping the prettier girls out of the business? I always felt that keeping the price at 50 Euros for well over 10 years was foolish. This is why the girls started offering crap service for the 50 Euro price, then adding DFK and BBBJ as an "extra" and meanwhile so many of the very best girls disappeared from the brothels and FKK clubs into the online independent sex work world. In my opinion, an FKK session should be great sex. That means a bare minimum of DFK with tongue, DATY, BBBJ, and covered FS, all delivered with a sensual girlfriend attitude. You already paid up to 70 Euro entrance fee, maybe airfare, maybe hotel, maybe taxi fare. Cheapening out on payment for the sex is foolish. If I could be guaranteed great sex, I would pay more than what they are currently charging. Maybe if the standard price was 70 Euro, the prettier girls would return to work in the clubs and the girls would offer great sex? The FKK market is still screwed up: way too many guys overall, way too many guys not going to a room and merely watching, not enough girls, not enough attractive girls, pricing from 10 years ago, overall mediocre service. Old and ugly and overweight and tattooed girls are becoming the norm. It is a mess. An economist would point out that an open labor market would bring in fresh motivated girls from South America and Africa and Southeast Asia and the problem would be instantly fixed and everyone would be happy, monger and owner and provider alike. The only ones who wouldn't like it are the Romanian girls. Somehow, brothels in Spain seem to get lots of young South Americans, so why can't the FKK clubs in Germany (not counting the older Latinas of SKY club in Wuppertal).
Impressions of Penelope Club in Castrop-Rauxel.
This is another slightly down at the heel club, like Acapulco Gold. It's clean, but just not a "luxury" experience. Entry was cheap. Only 30 Euro. The girls were charging 50 Euro per half hour for FK, DATY, BBBJ, covered sex. There is an outdoor sauna and a small outdoor pool, no indoor jacuzzi or other indoor wellness facilities. Fine for summer. Not sure how you would "relax" in the winter without any indoor facilities. Pretty much everything else is in one big room with concrete walls and concrete ceilings. Very industrial and sterile feel to the room, like at a high school that is decorated for prom. The decor looks like someone without interior design training searched online for "party decorations" about 20 years ago and then they never updated the decor. The pillars located around the room are "decorated" with water filled panels that appear to have tiny bubbles floating upwards, however, most of panels are cracked and only half full of water. The food was club normal: grilled sausages and French fries and salad. Edible. Soda fountain and coffee machine available for self service. Plenty of towels. Small room with porn on TV, otherwise TVs in main room are playing music videos. Music was played medium volume, not deafening. Clientele was a good mix of ages and half German half Turkish. When I arrived at 12:00 noon, there were only 4-5 girls and probably 30-40 guys. The ratio got worse as the evening went on. I would say the ratio of men to women at Penelope was the worst I have ever seen. By early evening, there were literally 150+ guys and probably 30 women. At least 5 of those were very attractive. I went with 3 girls. First was Patricia, who was almost certainly Romanian but claimed to be from Valencia Spain. Spoke English with an Eastern European accent. She was overweight, and not really my type, but when I chose her early after the club opened, she was the best of the 5 girls available. Service was good, nothing special. Next girl was Ellen or Helen, a beautiful Romanian with natural pert tits and minimal tattoos who stood near the small lockers all evening. She had dark hair in a bob that was chin length. I had high hopes, since she was so attractive. Poor service. No enthusiasm. Another sex robot trying to get out of the room in record time. At this point, I was getting discouraged. I did see a dark black girl, and assumed that she was probably African and that I would finally have a positive experience. No luck. As I went to speak with her, another guy moved in and away they went. It was getting late and I didn't want to wait in line for her. I saw a very slim and youthful girl with braided pig tails who looked very natural. Her name was Christina. Romanian, of course. She said she was 20 years old with no kids. Get to the room and: no kissing, no stroking her body because she's "too ticklish", no DATY. Only "relax baby while I give you blowjob", basically to get me hard quickly so we can fuck in 5 minutes and she can return to the hunt ASAP. What a series of crap service and what a sausage fest this club was. I do not understand why locals would come to this club with a ratio of 10 guys for every girl unless they are closeted gays and like to look at naked men. I also don't understand why you would come to a club where the girls offer service like in a laufhaus or Eros center. If I wanted a 5 minute pump and dump, I wouldn't bother with going to a FKK club. Overall, facilities were middle of the pack, a handful of girls were attractive, but the service was crap.
Impressions of FKK Oase.
The first time I visited Oase was about 15 years ago. It was my first visit to an FKK club. It was late summer, a beautiful sunny day with literally hundreds of naked girls walking around in the garden ready to have sex with you at any moment. It was unlike anything you could experience anywhere in the world. I have visited Oase and many other FKK clubs, almost every year since then. COVID put a stop to that. Time has passed, and this visit was my first visit after COVID, and my experience at Oase parallels the other five clubs that I visited on this trip: The FKK clubs are dying. They are a hollow shell of what they were 10-15 years ago, and they are much worse than they were before COVID, when they were already on a steep decline.
In a nutshell, the girls are the problem. No longer can you find a sweet sensual enthusiastic beauty. Instead, the girls are cold and mercenary. The youngest ones are often the most mercenary. I remember when the girls of Oase included girls from many countries and it was such a pleasure to meet them, talk about their home country, and experience "love" from around the world. I am well aware that it is an illusion of "love", but the girls were very good actresses and seldom stepped out of character. I have so many good memories of the most sensual DFK with tongue and stopping long enough to say "Wow wow wow. You are incredible", before diving back into a ferocious and breathless kiss. This would be followed by the most sensual and electric oral and vaginal sex. It was hard to believe that the girls were "faking it", because it just felt so real. Fast forward to today. Cold, quick, and mercenary.
First the facilities: Oase always had one of the best gardens for enjoying a sunny summer day, with the outdoor pool, the bed on the steep little hill with the mirror over the bed, the little cabins and tents. There is a ping pong table and the BBQ station in the yard, as well. The sauna is outside and it large and insanely hot. The huge jacuzzi is adjacent to the indoor dining area, where you can order a la carte pizza in the evenings. The lounge area next to the bar is still as dark as a cave, so it is tough to see whether the girl you are talking to is hot or not. Best to bring her into the light before you commit to anything. The little lockers are across from the bar at the entry and the clothes lockers are downstairs (past the bar). In short, if you have been to Oase before, it is physically unchanged. Now, on to the girls. I would say the lineup was small for my past experience at Oase. Probably 20-25 girls. Probably 50 guys. Remember, that during its heyday, Oase would have 200+ girls and the rooms would be full. You would wait for a key. Nothing like that now. There were a few international traveler types, likely Japanese and Chinese. Later in the evening, a group of what appeared to be Filipino customers arrived. Maybe a few Americans, but not many. This is the only club, besides Sharks, that seems to have a few international travelers post-COVID, which makes sense, since those are the only two mega clubs that have decent facilities and a larger number of girls and everyone can speak English. The girls were almost 100% Romanian. I did see two black African girls, but no Asians or South Americans. My first pick was Nadia, a slim blonde Romanian girl who was standing near reception when I arrived. That might have been a bad sign. Maybe she was desperate for work. Regardless, I wandered around the club for about a hour before deciding that she appealed the most to me. Slim with no tattoos and nice small breasts. Her English was quite good and she "explained" to me that if I wanted a GFE experience, it would be 100 Euro / 30 minutes. The receptionist of course told me that the standard rate of 50 Euro per half hour from the past still applied now. I knew that I would only get crappy service for 50 Euro, so I clarified what I wanted and we went to the room for 100 Euro for 30 minutes. Well, she did everything we discussed, but like a corpse or starfish. Not a mutual experience whatsoever. When I complained and started to leave the room before I had had a chance to cum, she offered to finish for a total of 50 Euro instead of 100 Euro. Weird. I begrudgingly decided to finish rather than leave and pay 50 Euro without cumming at all. Afterwards, I told her that she seemed like she was cold and didn't like her job. She proceeded to explain to me that most guys just want a quick fuck and that after fucking 10 guys a day for months, no girls have any interest in pretending to "make love". Pretty depressing, and makes me wonder why she requested extra for GFE if she refuses to provide it. That pretty much sums up the cold mercenary Romanian sex robot mentality. If I wanted that mechanical type of fucking in Germany, I would just go to an Eros Center or laufhaus, but the whole point of the FKK clubs, starting with Bernds, was top notch service. The steamy and sensual and sexually insatiable girlfriend. Well, the Romanian girls have destroyed that system with the world's worst acting and mediocre mechanical service. I made use of the sauna and had something to eat, then tried to imagine what to do next: Should I just leave? It feels like the end of a romance. The FKK experience is dying. Given my good experience with Africans, I sought out one of the African girls. Her name was Sara and she was from South Africa. I told her about my poor experiences with Romanians and my good experiences with Africans, and hoped that she would step up to the plate and hit a home run for Africa. She reassured me that I would be very happy, and again stated that good service is 100 Euro / 30 minutes. I trusted her reassurances enough to agree to an hour. Things started out pretty good. I requested some South African music, she danced while I stroked her from behind, and eventually we ended up on the bed. I started to kiss her, and she immediately said "not on my face". I was "allowed" to kiss her lips, but not her face. I proceeded to kiss and stroke her chest, and she told me she was "too ticklish" and that her nipples were "too sensitive" for gentle sucking. Soldiering on, I moved to start DATY. I positioned myself in a partial 69 position with her on bottom. Well, she didn't like that. She wanted me to move and position myself between her legs and face her instead, which always hurts my neck, but I didn't argue. Then she kept her legs fairly close together, so I couldn't actually get my mouth close. I was hoping DATY would change her attitude, but no such luck. She did give a very good BBBJ, but pretty much all of the Romanian sex robots can do that. When we moved to vaginal sex in mish, she wouldn't let me fully penetrate her, and when I tried to hold her ass cheeks in my hands, she pulled my hands away and she warned me to not try to fuck her ass. Pretty much a turn off at every turn. Closed and ungenerous service, like a girl having sex who doesn't want it. There are some girls who can make paid sex feel non consensual with all of their limitations. That is pretty much a massive turnoff for me. After all of her complaints and limitations, I couldn't keep focus and just lost interest in having sex at all. Left without cumming. Just like Nadia, Sara did everything she was "contracted" to do, but she found a way to make the whole experience a big disappointment. I arrived at Oase, just like every club, with plenty of money to spend, and left with the vast majority of it still in my pocket.
Will I return to Germany for another FKK tour in the future? Unless something major changes, the answer is no. The FKK club system is dying. 15 years of fantasy is over for me. Of the six clubs that I visited on this trip, here is my summary:
Facilities, best to worst (size of club);.
Club Venus, Hamminkiln (medium).
Club Babylon, Elsdorf (medium).
Oase (extra large).
Samya (large).
Penelope, Castorp-Rauxel (small, clean).
Acapulco Gold, Ratingen (small, dirty).
Girls, best to worst:
Babylon best. Oase worst.
The majority of girls in the clubs across the board offered poor pump and dump service with the notable exception of the girls at Babylon Elsdorf. On this trip, my average was 50% good service 50% bad service. Oase was 100% bad service at double the price. Babylon was 80% good service.
The Demise of the FKK Club system:
I remember 10+ years ago when the larger clubs like Oase were packed with pretty young girls (and not just Romanians) and had tons of international business travelers, like Chinese, Japanese, American, South American, etc. I remember a sunny summer Saturday afternoon at Oase about 10 years ago when the club had at least 200 girls, when I spent the entire day from 10 am to 2 am and had 6 sessions, including with a Greek girl that I fucked on the top of the hill under the mirror, a Persian girl who looked like Cleopatra and whose huge labia got stuck in my teeth, and a cuddly Polish girl with huge naturals and who loved to kiss, and a slim Croatian who offered my first full on rimming. Gone are the soft sweet cuddly girls. Now the clubs are 99.99% Romanian, very mercenary, often the cold sex robot type with severe black eye makeup, bee-sting lips, plastic tits, and more tattoos than a gang member. The fresh natural girls are gone. Ten years ago, I watched the girls all spreading their pretty pussies in the sunshine, I swam in the ice cold swimming pool, and I chatted with ISGers, including one famous ISGer who split his time between Oase and Crazy House on Soi Cowboy, always looking for "gazelles" and avoiding "water buffalos" (his words). It's hard to believe that magical time is gone. It makes me feel like I did when I heard that Annie's and Eden Club in Bangkok closed. The only way to visit these magical places now is a time machine. A real tragedy, because nothing has replaced them. It doesn't look like a real alternative to the FKK clubs that have become zombie clubs exists in Germany. The Swiss clubs are an option. Spanish brothels can be awesome. As I've mentioned in other posts, I think the Latin and African girls are the future. They still know how to make a man ecstatic and they are proud of that skill. I haven't visited the termas of Brazil. That might be the next best alternative now that German FKK clubs are full of soulless cold robots. The combination of German safety and cleanliness with a sex club can't really be replicated in places like Brazil or Thailand, however. The Romanian girls often barely tolerate their customers and the disdain is palpable sometimes. It's a real turn-off and erection killer, unless the thought of a blow up sex doll that hates you is a fantasy of yours.
Why is the FKK system dying? It is a combination of the bizarre sausage fest that exists at most clubs now, with four times as many guys as girls, guys that don't ever take a girl to the room and seem happy to merely look at the girls, and girls that try to offer the fastest and most mechanical service possible. Unfortunately, paying more doesn't fix the problem. I tried that at Oase. Didn't work. The girls feel totally justified providing cold mechanical service or service with a laundry list of limitations. They will even coldly explain to you why they offer crappy service and why you will never get real GFE service from a sex worker. Tell that to the FKK girls of 10 years ago. Tell that to the girls of Thailand or The Philippines or Latin America today. FKK clubs were magical places in years past where you could get the very highest level of GFE paid sex, now they are just overpriced places to pump and dump, and there is no reason to get long distance flights, hotel rooms, and taxi rides, if that is the crappy service available when you arrive. Back when the girls provided real GFE service, I would usually have 4-5 rooms with girls over the course of an entire day. On this trip, I still arrived optimistic with plenty of money and a goal of 4-5 rooms, but was disappointed in every club except Babylon. The clubs still got my entrance fee, but the girls missed out on a ton of Euro I had budgeted every day. If I had budgeted that much for Thailand, I could have had intense GFE for 200 Euro for all night long and still have a ton of Euro left over. In Germany, I had a ton of Euro left over only because the service was crappy. If you are thinking of a "dream trip" to FKK land, I would strongly urge you to spend your vacation time and money somewhere else. The FKK clubs are in steep decline.[/QUOTE]
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Also escorts, for less expensive than most Sharks girls who are not on escort level for look nor GFE.
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Terrific reporting on the state of the FKK world. But there is a different additional part of the FKK world. I. E. Modest operations that specialize in low cost AO (bareback everything) like the RTCs (Roter Teppich Club – Red Carpet Club) or La Luna.
My impression is that they are all at least 80% back. But I've been away since COVID, so what do I know.
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[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2853204]Terrific reporting on the state of the FKK world. But there is a different additional part of the FKK world. I. E. Modest operations that specialize in low cost AO (bareback everything) like the RTCs (Roter Teppich Club Red Carpet Club) or La Luna.
My impression is that they are all at least 80% back. But I've been away since COVID, so what do I know.[/QUOTE]I don t experience same when on 2022 and 2023 , I found great girls in Germany and at Freubad. Ch. We experience from what we are. When You behave like a tourist, You will get tourist level. Germany still worth for me when new rates attract girls from escorting for less expensive than in Switzerland. 150/80 or 200/85/90 for my expériences with girls looking like elegant women. I will keep on.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2852860]Numbers about registered sex workers in Germany: [URL]https://www.destatis.de/DE/Presse/Pressemitteilungen/2023/09/PD23_368_228.html[/URL].
Some expected: Registered sex workers total 2019 - 40.3 k, 2021 - 23.7 k, 2022 - 28 k.
Some less expected: For 2022 per citizenship. DE - 18%, RO - 35%, BG - 11%, ESP - 6%.[/QUOTE]Those numbers make me wonder how many working girls were there before ProstSchG became law. 100 K? Or more? But it also means that I am hoping for more girls to start working in FKK's etc.
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[QUOTE=Downandup;2853229]Those numbers make me wonder how many working girls were there before ProstSchG became law. 100 K? Or more? But it also means that I am hoping for more girls to start working in FKK's etc.[/QUOTE]Despite increasing rates in Germany, but less and less girls since covid, much less at GG than Bruggen, less at Oase and Palace, World and Prime are almost dead for casting, but doesn t mean can t find high quality, when most expensive are usually not the best.
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[QUOTE=Downandup;2853229]Those numbers make me wonder how many working girls were there before ProstSchG became law. 100 K? Or more? But it also means that I am hoping for more girls to start working in FKK's etc.[/QUOTE]2018 I think there were about 38 k registered WGs. There was some rebound in number of registered WGs in 2023 but still significantly less than pre covid. So supply is significantly less. Too bad we can't quantify demand changes.
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In and out privileges?
What is the policy of the clubs regarding leaving the premises and returning the same day? Do they charge for re-entry in this situation? I'm interested in particular in Oase and Sharks, but would welcome answers regarding any of the clubs.
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Palmera club, dusseldorf
PALMERA CLUB, DUSSELDORF.
Has any one been to Palmera Club at Dusseldorf? I have not read any reviews.
Is this a FKK? Apprecaite feedback.
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[QUOTE=Dak0330;2853431]What is the policy of the clubs regarding leaving the premises and returning the same day? Do they charge for re-entry in this situation? I'm interested in particular in Oase and Sharks, but would welcome answers regarding any of the clubs.[/QUOTE]Usually, you can leave and return on day, agreeing with desk.
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[QUOTE=Dak0330;2853431]What is the policy of the clubs regarding leaving the premises and returning the same day? Do they charge for re-entry in this situation? I'm interested in particular in Oase and Sharks, but would welcome answers regarding any of the clubs.[/QUOTE]At Oase it is allowed to leave and come back. You have to go to the check-in-counter and give them your key. They will hold if for you until you come back. You can leave your stuff in the locker. They will also cut your wrist-band and reattach it when you come back.
It is also allowed to leave Sharks and come back but it works a little different. You will also check out at the counter but you get a number. That number you have to give them to get your key back. On the website it says you have to return before 22.00.
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For sharks, just inform the reception lady when you leave and she will tell you to remember the locker number and hold on your key on a separate key stand. No time restrictions.
[QUOTE=Thrymiir;2854250]At Oase it is allowed to leave and come back. You have to go to the check-in-counter and give them your key. They will hold if for you until you come back. You can leave your stuff in the locker. They will also cut your wrist-band and reattach it when you come back.
It is also allowed to leave Sharks and come back but it works a little different. You will also check out at the counter but you get a number. That number you have to give them to get your key back. On the website it says you have to return before 22.00.[/QUOTE]
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Manga Mio. De ex Bruggen at Globe.
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Can I have a list of all the clubs in Germany that always have more than 50 girls on Saturday / Friday nights?
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[QUOTE=Gorge2;2863250]Can I have a list of all the clubs in Germany that always have more than 50 girls on Saturday / Friday nights?[/QUOTE]Sharks and maybe Artemis. Quantity is not quality.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2863317]Sharks and maybe Artemis. Quantity is not quality.[/QUOTE]Let me revise the number to 30.
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Funny that someone decided it would be a good financial decision to make another FKK the same size as world only 10 minutes drive away from world, with the same price structure and poor line up as world.
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Is anyone going to crazy bunny ranch's re-opening tonight / tomorrow?
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Quantity
[QUOTE=Gorge2;2863420]Let me revise the number to 30.[/QUOTE]For Hessen:
- You can add Oase for sure. Always 30- 45 girls on the weekend in 2023.
- Also Palace, if you skip summer months and other weak periods.
- World: Can have 30- 35 on a good weekend, but is normally weaker (20- 25).
- Mainhattan: I am guessing similar to World?
- Atlanta: I am guessing 10- 25?
The remaining Hessen clubs are smaller afaik.
I would be interested in an update from the NRW. Anyone? I could answer for Austria, but you didn't ask! :)
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Hessen big 4 and.
Upcoming trip. I will do Sharks on a Wednesday (day of arrival), Oase Thursday.
Normally like to get to Palace or Mainhattan once. But what are the current line ups like in both and compared to Sharks and Oase?
Worth a visit or do I do 2 nights in each of Sharks and Oase? Thoughts on current line ups of the main four clubs would be much appreciated. Had planned on a trip (public transport as don't drink and drive) to World but recent reports in its forum are dreadful and should be heeded. Your thoughts please gents.
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[QUOTE=PayForIt;2864784]Upcoming trip. I will do Sharks on a Wednesday (day of arrival), Oase Thursday.
Normally like to get to Palace or Mainhattan once. But what are the current line ups like in both and compared to Sharks and Oase?
Worth a visit or do I do 2 nights in each of Sharks and Oase? Thoughts on current line ups of the main four clubs would be much appreciated. Had planned on a trip (public transport as don't drink and drive) to World but recent reports in its forum are dreadful and should be heeded. Your thoughts please gents.[/QUOTE]Around 200 girls for the 4 . Palace is for Friday or Saturday evening.
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[QUOTE=PayForIt;2864784]Upcoming trip. I will do Sharks on a Wednesday (day of arrival), Oase Thursday.
Normally like to get to Palace or Mainhattan once. But what are the current line ups like in both and compared to Sharks and Oase?
Worth a visit or do I do 2 nights in each of Sharks and Oase? Thoughts on current line ups of the main four clubs would be much appreciated. Had planned on a trip (public transport as don't drink and drive) to World but recent reports in its forum are dreadful and should be heeded. Your thoughts please gents.[/QUOTE]I have been going to these clubs a fair bit recently. Oase's lineup has been at least as good as shark's in terms of the number of high quality women, though at shark's it will probably take you longer to find them since there's so many you have to search through. Oase is also better in that most of the women there accept 50 euro for 30 minutes, but at sharks there's no negotiating and it will be 100 euro /30 minutes minimum.
Between Mainhattan / palace I've only seen a few fuckable women and they seem to only come to the club very late into the day.
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[QUOTE=Gorge2;2865030]I have been going to these clubs a fair bit recently. Oase's lineup has been at least as good as shark's in terms of the number of high quality women, though at shark's it will probably take you longer to find them since there's so many you have to search through. Oase is also better in that most of the women there accept 50 euro for 30 minutes, but at sharks there's no negotiating and it will be 100 euro /30 minutes minimum.
Between Mainhattan / palace I've only seen a few fuckable women and they seem to only come to the club very late into the day.[/QUOTE]Very helpful thanks.
If most of the girls in Oase are doing 50/30 what is their price for 1 hour? 100? Really?
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[QUOTE=Gorge2;2865030]Oase is also better in that most of the women there accept 50 euro for 30 minutes, but at sharks there's no negotiating and it will be 100 euro /30 minutes minimum.[/QUOTE]Is the 50 at Oase for CBJ or BBJ?
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[QUOTE=Samplerr;2865150]Is the 50 at Oase for CBJ or BBJ?[/QUOTE]Covered. In the 10 years I've been going to the main fkks I've never seen BBBJ for less than 100.
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[QUOTE=PayForIt;2865060]Very helpful thanks.
If most of the girls in Oase are doing 50/30 what is their price for 1 hour? 100? Really?[/QUOTE]Depends how busy it is. I've had girls decline 1 hour but accept 30 minutes because they don't want to miss out.
On the higher paying customers during busy times.
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[QUOTE=Gorge2;2865173]Covered. In the 10 years I've been going to the main fkks I've never seen BBBJ for less than 100.[/QUOTE]I had many BBBJ for only 40 at Velbert, Gold, Penelope, or 50 at World, Sharks, and with french kiss, sometimes for nearly 40 mn. BBBJ is much easier than FK with most girls.
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[QUOTE=Gorge2;2865173]Covered. In the 10 years I've been going to the main fkks I've never seen BBBJ for less than 100.[/QUOTE]You have been incredibly unlucky then. Pre the 2017 stupid unenforceable gummy law, BBBJ was just an accepted standard part of the service. Back then you could expect BBBJ, DFK and FS (obviously covered) in the standard pricing at most clubs. I can recall around 2015 it coming as a real shock to me when girls in the Hamburg FKKs started asking for 20 extra for BBBJ.
Artemis Berlin has nearly always adopted 20 extra post 2017 but during the easing out of lockdown many girls would just do it (for free). That didn't last long. I find in most of the non-Hessen clubs BBBJ is available at extra cost but if you only do 30 minutes I get why the girl wants more.
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[QUOTE=PayForIt;2865336]You have been incredibly unlucky then. Pre the 2017 stupid unenforceable gummy law, BBBJ was just an accepted standard part of the service. Back then you could expect BBBJ, DFK and FS (obviously covered) in the standard pricing at most clubs. I can recall around 2015 it coming as a real shock to me when girls in the Hamburg FKKs started asking for 20 extra for BBBJ.
Artemis Berlin has nearly always adopted 20 extra post 2017 but during the easing out of lockdown many girls would just do it (for free). That didn't last long. I find in most of the non-Hessen clubs BBBJ is available at extra cost but if you only do 30 minutes I get why the girl wants more.[/QUOTE]Many girls ask extra for FK, but not for BBBJ. When law was on 1 July 2017 but til covid when locals made explosing rate in appartments, 50/30 was the rate at Sharks including BBBJ, DATY, FK. Only upselling at Palace and Oase before covid. And also in Porsche Stuttgart.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2865436]Many girls ask extra for FK, but not for BBBJ. When law was on 1 July 2017 but til covid when locals made explosing rate in appartments, 50/30 was the rate at Sharks including BBBJ, DATY, FK. Only upselling at Palace and Oase before covid. And also in Porsche Stuttgart.[/QUOTE]I think less upselling at Oase now than little Romanians at Sharks asking 150/30 or 250/60 to kiss a bit.
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Is requesting the cum in mouth extra a sneaky way to get the to give you a really long uncovered blow job? Or do they expect you to do the work with your hand?
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[QUOTE=Gorge2;2866713]Is requesting the cum in mouth extra a sneaky way to get the to give you a really long uncovered blow job? Or do they expect you to do the work with your hand?[/QUOTE]Your own handjob and trying to target your mouth and then, pay extra to the girl who supported you.
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How do you think wellcum compares to the frankfurt clubs lately?
Their website lists all the girls in attendance each day and most of them seem to be extraordinarily attractive.
I'm not sure if that's because they don't publish the non-photogenic ones or not. In any case, to have four girls like.
This in attendence during a single day (tomorrow) already puts it ahead of any of the german clubs I've been to over the last few months.
[URL]https://wellcum.at/damen-detail/?girl=677[/URL]
[URL]https://wellcum.at/damen-detail/?girl=778[/URL]
[URL]https://wellcum.at/damen-detail/?girl=336[/URL]
[URL]https://wellcum.at/damen-detail/?girl=898[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Gorge2;2865030]Oase is also better in that most of the women there accept 50 euro for 30 minutes, but at sharks there's no negotiating and it will be 100 euro /30 minutes minimum.
[/QUOTE]Oase girls weren't even offering 50/30 in late 2015, at least not the ones I felt were room worthy.
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[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2874165]Oase girls weren't even offering 50/30 in late 2015, at least not the ones I felt were room worthy.[/QUOTE]Now, less upselling at Oase than Sharks where some ask 150/30 or 250/60 for few baby kiss.
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The guy I'm responding to said most Oase girls offer 50/30. Let's be real here how many Oase girls really offer this and how bad do they look?
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[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2874394]The guy I'm responding to said most Oase girls offer 50/30. Let's be real here how many Oase girls really offer this and how bad do they look?[/QUOTE]Can find for fast suck and fuck on late night at 3 am, when some didn't make enough money.
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[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2874394]The guy I'm responding to said most Oase girls offer 50/30. Let's be real here how many Oase girls really offer this and how bad do they look?[/QUOTE]More than half the girls I've asked have said yes to 50. Don't act desperate, let them come to you and don't act so interested. Say you'll go with them if they can do 50.
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50 for CBJ
[QUOTE=Gorge2;2874444]More than half the girls I've asked have said yes to 50. Don't act desperate, let them come to you and don't act so interested. Say you'll go with them if they can do 50.[/QUOTE]But for 50 do you get a CBJ and no kissing?
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[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;2874528]But for 50 do you get a CBJ and no kissing?[/QUOTE]Yes but dick in pussy is 90% of the experience, no?
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[QUOTE=Gorge2;2874613]Yes but dick in pussy is 90% of the experience, no?[/QUOTE]For most punters, BBBJ is a essential part of the standard service. The girls know this only too well, and post 2017 law changes it's provided them with the leverage to increase prices.
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[QUOTE=Samplerr;2874699]For most punters, BBBJ is a essential part of the standard service. The girls know this only too well, and post 2017 law changes it's provided them with the leverage to increase prices.[/QUOTE]BBBJ is still very standard in Germany. If I think a girl doesn t worth more than 100 , like Maria. Ukr at Sharks, not pretty and sensual enough to pay more expensive, I prefer FK, DATY to make her cum and fuck her and I skip BJ, when I didn t ask my girlfriends to suck me and even refused. One at Sharks ex Mainhattan star is really skillful for BJ, which is quite rare.
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What are some must try clubs in Europe outside of Frankfurt? Besides the following which I've already visited: Artemis, mystic Salzburg, Wellcum, Samya. Do you think globe in Switzerland is something I should add to my tally?
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[QUOTE=Gorge2;2875338]What are some must try clubs in Europe outside of Frankfurt? Besides the following which I've already visited: Artemis, mystic Salzburg, Wellcum, Samya. Do you think globe in Switzerland is something I should add to my tally?[/QUOTE]Checking on the Wellcum logistics and it is the cheapest place to rent a car in Slovenia Ljubljana much cheaper than Austria and Switzerland. As low as 17 euros per day!
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One night advice.
I'll be in Frankfurt for one night before moving on. Question.
Though I know opinions will vary, which FKK would you guys recommend to visit? Pretty much that age old question of, if you could only visit one club, which one would it be?
Extra info:
1. My only experience is at Artemis in Berlin (I've heard the clubs in FRA are better).
2. I won't have a car, but am willing to hop on a train or call an uber.
3. I have all day and night in FRA. My flight isn't until late morning next day.
4. I'm not pinching pennies, but also not trying to get scammed for 200/30 mins. Just saying
TIA.
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[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2875605]I'll be in Frankfurt for one night before moving on. Question.
Though I know opinions will vary, which FKK would you guys recommend to visit? Pretty much that age old question of, if you could only visit one club, which one would it be?
Extra info:
1. My only experience is at Artemis in Berlin (I've heard the clubs in FRA are better).
2. I won't have a car, but am willing to hop on a train or call an uber.
3. I have all day and night in FRA. My flight isn't until late morning next day.
4. I'm not pinching pennies, but also not trying to get scammed for 200/30 mins. Just saying
TIA.[/QUOTE]If you have a day and night, Visit OASE first early afternoon, then if you don't find a girl, take Uber to Sharks (about 65 Euro /50 min).
This is because many A-team girls on OASE works on early time (from 11 am), but many A-team girls work on late time (7 pm-4 am) at Sharks.
OASE and Sharks are like Apple and Orange. You cannot compare. Some people say OASE LU is much better, and others say the opposite.
For me, I cannot find a single attractive girl at Sharks, but find many in OASE.
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[QUOTE=David1266;2875693]If you have a day and night, Visit OASE first early afternoon, then if you don't find a girl, take Uber to Sharks (about 65 Euro /50 min).
This is because many A-team girls on OASE works on early time (from 11 am), but many A-team girls work on late time (7 pm-4 am) at Sharks.
OASE and Sharks are like Apple and Orange. You cannot compare. Some people say OASE LU is much better, and others say the opposite.
For me, I cannot find a single attractive girl at Sharks, but find many in OASE.[/QUOTE]No, Oase casting is at best at 7 pm and Sharks casting fall at midnight, difficult to enjoy both in 5 hours, but I agree prettier ones at Oase and now less upselling, but better to visit on Friday and Saturday at 7 pm, when some girls arrive at 9 .
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[QUOTE=David1266;2875693]If you have a day and night, Visit OASE first early afternoon, then if you don't find a girl, take Uber to Sharks (about 65 Euro /50 min).
This is because many A-team girls on OASE works on early time (from 11 am), but many A-team girls work on late time (7 pm-4 am) at Sharks.
OASE and Sharks are like Apple and Orange. You cannot compare. Some people say OASE LU is much better, and others say the opposite.
For me, I cannot find a single attractive girl at Sharks, but find many in OASE.[/QUOTE]Appreciate the advice. It sounds like Oase is a safe bet and if it fails, head to Sharks.
In this case, I land in FRA Sunday morning and my intention for the day is food, beer, FKK, and maybe some company late that night at my hotel, if I don't end up spending all night at the FKK. I have the freedom to possibly stay all day Monday and leave Tuesday as well, but from what I was reading, FRA doesn't seem like an awesome city to extend your stay (which is why I'm limiting to one day). Thanks again and my ears are still open for any other monger recommendations.
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[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2875853]Appreciate the advice. It sounds like Oase is a safe bet and if it fails, head to Sharks.
In this case, I land in FRA Sunday morning and my intention for the day is food, beer, FKK, and maybe some company late that night at my hotel, if I don't end up spending all night at the FKK. I have the freedom to possibly stay all day Monday and leave Tuesday as well, but from what I was reading, FRA doesn't seem like an awesome city to extend your stay (which is why I'm limiting to one day). Thanks again and my ears are still open for any other monger recommendations.[/QUOTE]On Sunday, Sharks. Entry 50 before 2 pm.
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[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2875853]Appreciate the advice. It sounds like Oase is a safe bet and if it fails, head to Sharks.
In this case, I land in FRA Sunday morning and my intention for the day is food, beer, FKK, and maybe some company late that night at my hotel, if I don't end up spending all night at the FKK. I have the freedom to possibly stay all day Monday and leave Tuesday as well, but from what I was reading, FRA doesn't seem like an awesome city to extend your stay (which is why I'm limiting to one day). Thanks again and my ears are still open for any other monger recommendations.[/QUOTE]Also FYI, the famous Nadia who Siri and others often talks about is early timer at OASE. It's very difficult to find her after 6 pm as she is always with customer, but easy to book before 4 pm. Even if she is on vacation, the LU is still better than Sharks / Palace in my subjective opinion. At least two top girls at Sharks (Katalea and Kitty) seem to be available most of the times at night. I still never seen the famous Maria at Shark though.
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[QUOTE=David1266;2875989]Also FYI, the famous Nadia who Siri and others often talks about is early timer at OASE. It's very difficult to find her after 6 pm as she is always with customer, but easy to book before 4 pm. Even if she is on vacation, the LU is still better than Sharks / Palace in my subjective opinion. At least two top girls at Sharks (Katalea and Kitty) seem to be available most of the times at night. I still never seen the famous Maria at Shark though.[/QUOTE]Nadia mainly hunt Asians for fast rooms from 2 pm to 2 am.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2876058]Nadia mainly hunt Asians for fast rooms from 2 pm to 2 am.[/QUOTE]Is she the one that always wears a short dress? She must be the busiest person there.
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[QUOTE=Gorge2;2878051]Is she the one that always wears a short dress? She must be the busiest person there.[/QUOTE]I don't remember for the dress, but she needs to hunt and as soon she see a Asian.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2878106]I don't remember for the dress, but she needs to hunt and as soon she see a Asian.[/QUOTE]How can you not remember? When everyone else is practically naked, she's the only one who is never naked.
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[QUOTE=Gorge2;2878291]How can you not remember? When everyone else is practically naked, she's the only one who is never naked.[/QUOTE]Because she is not interesting for sex for me, when I m not Asian.
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[QUOTE=Gorge2;2878051]Is she the one that always wears a short dress? She must be the busiest person there.[/QUOTE]Not a dress, but more kind of skirt in silk, kind of just bottom of dress to sleep, women put on, but I asked my girlfriends to sleep full naked with me, what they never did in previous life. But Nadia showing her perfect firm naturals. What a natural beauty, sexier than Kity. Not always busy, but I resisted when I want to pay only for dream.
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I find so funny guys, some playing specialist, but asking to know your girls, when they should have learned we have different taste and we don t experience same, even with same girls, from what we are, when I don t need to ask for others girls, but I use my eyes and brain. My tip is: on first introduction, look how the girl looks at You and talk to You, quite informative for what should happen, if You don t ask for pervert. When I find, unfortunately, level of new Romanians in FKK land really fell for quality and woman types became rare, but on 2023, I got a rare fresh natural German part timer at Sharks on May / June for 150/60 I extended on second room to 200 for a bit less than 1 h30 , technique with escorts, to enjoy her rare freshness. She followed after Jasmin. De from Munchen from October 2022 to April who lowered to 150/60 after our discovery. Nevertheless, GG was my best 2023 club with many weekly rooms with 2 high level elegant for 150/60 or 200/90 . Germany is still best quality for me, when Freubad fell for quality on 2023 and Globe and Wellcum can t compete for quality for girls. Very good point in FKK land is best quality is not for the most expensive. I should keep on repeating my 2 best quality and value on new year, when I m happy to go weekly for months with same best quality, what I even prefer and saving money not paying entries for no room. Only bad point is far from ski and climbings, when Switzerland is closer, when I don t have enough time to go to best value and quality. When snow was good, but not enough for Christmas, with many rocks and ice because of wind, I wish more snow later, to return to my free ride spots, even I already enjoyed 6 for my Christmas but to repeat and enjoy many others.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2882014] . . . I got a rare fresh natural German part timer at Sharks on May / June for 150/60 I extended on second room to 200 for a bit less than 1 h30 , technique with escorts, to enjoy her rare freshness. . . .[/QUOTE]200/90 for a hometown German girl sounds almost perfect. Is AO too much to hope for with her?
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[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2882210]200/90 for a hometown German girl sounds almost perfect. Is AO too much to hope for with her?[/QUOTE]A German from Rhur, like Sofi. I prefer a rare girl and she was really, even I decided not to follow when she was booked whole day on outcalls, than AO with bad teeth at best. When level of new Romanians at Sharks is really falling since 2022 and they dare too ask much more expensive than they really worth, so since 2022 , Sharks is for sometimes Germans or Slavians, but unfortunately no Romanian elegant woman image.
RTC for AO, not for quality I look for, nor images to dream.
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Hessen vs NRW FKKs
Greetings, men of culture!
I find myself transiting through Amsterdam and I thought what better way to spend the time than to check out FKKs across the border! I will have around 3 days total in April.
My options are Hessen or NRW. Hessen will mean more driving to and from Amsterdam. Driving, high speed train or flight. You get the picture.
I know Hessen and Frankfurt reasonably well over the years including post COVID. Oase, Shark, Mainhattan, Palace, etc. I know what to expect from Frankfurt (ie great fun) but it will mean a pretty long time on the road.
I will only be going to FKKs rather than other venues and clubs.
Please enlighten me. Are NRW FKKs promising in terms of (1) girl quality and quantity, and (2) even weekday or afternoon crowd? Or better off sticking to what I know and make the longer drive to Frankfurt?
Thank you!
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[QUOTE=ImOffToCollege;2882710]Greetings, men of culture!
I find myself transiting through Amsterdam and I thought what better way to spend the time than to check out FKKs across the border! I will have around 3 days total in April.
My options are Hessen or NRW. Hessen will mean more driving to and from Amsterdam. Driving, high speed train or flight. You get the picture.
I know Hessen and Frankfurt reasonably well over the years including post COVID. Oase, Shark, Mainhattan, Palace, etc. I know what to expect from Frankfurt (ie great fun) but it will mean a pretty long time on the road.
I will only be going to FKKs rather than other venues and clubs.
Please enlighten me. Are NRW FKKs promising in terms of (1) girl quality and quantity, and (2) even weekday or afternoon crowd? Or better off sticking to what I know and make the longer drive to Frankfurt?
Thank you![/QUOTE]Better to avoid around Orthodox Easter. NRW is better value than Hessen and closer to border. You can try 6 ens NL on border close to Aachen. Also Penelope, LR and GG. Better to visit from Thursday to Sunday.
What I love in NRW is when girls I chosse put off dress, panties, for me in room. So exciting.
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FWIW there are a number of RTC style FKKs in the NRW, but just FKK40 Dietzenbach in Hessen.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2882854]Better to avoid around Orthodox Easter. NRW is better value than Hessen and closer to border. You can try 6 ens NL on border close to Aachen. Also Penelope, LR and GG. Better to visit from Thursday to Sunday.
What I love in NRW is when girls I chose put off dress, panties, for me in room. So exciting.[/QUOTE]Sounds like NRW might be worth a try. My trip will be during weekdays but no risk no reward.
I looked at the names of FKKs which are often discussed here - 10 or so in all in NRW / Cologne / Dusseldorf. Samya, Acapulco, Mondial, LivingRoom, Penelope, Goldentime.
Which would you say are the largest venues with the largest lineups? As a NRW beginner, I'm thinking start with the largest as an intro and then go niche later! It's a bit difficult to get comparative impressions from the individual reports!
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[QUOTE=ImOffToCollege;2883210]Sounds like NRW might be worth a try. My trip will be during weekdays but no risk no reward.
I looked at the names of FKKs which are often discussed here - 10 or so in all in NRW / Cologne / Dusseldorf. Samya, Acapulco, Mondial, LivingRoom, Penelope, Goldentime.
Which would you say are the largest venues with the largest lineups? As a NRW beginner, I'm thinking start with the largest as an intro and then go niche later! It's a bit difficult to get comparative impressions from the individual reports![/QUOTE]No more Golden Time, but Golden Gate now. Mondial and Prime at cheap. Penelope worth after 7 pm.
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Blue Eye
[QUOTE=JefferyG;2334471]I'm only attracted to girls with blue or green eyes (fake colored contacts not included). Call me picky. It appears these types of girls don't come from Romania, which as we know mainly comprise FKKs. I know they exist, but it's usually 1 or 2 choices even in the big clubs. This is only my second trip but I'm judging from trips to Sharks, Oase, and Palace.
What clubs provide the best odds to find a natural blue-eyed blonde?[/QUOTE]The above is old post, but I realize that OASE 2023 has many Blue-Eyed girls among FKKs I know.
Nadhia, Alina, Amira, Roberta, Myra, Maria, Victoria, Tina, Beatrice, Olivia, Catareena (blue / green) and probably much more I don't know of. All these girls are also quite pretty compared to other clubs in my opinion. IF one likes light-colored eyes, one should definitely visit OASE. All are 100 E /30 min.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2883239]No more Golden Time, but Golden Gate now. Mondial and Prime at cheap. Penelope worth after 7 pm.[/QUOTE]Re read the reports (helpful recent reviews from Eryk9021, ShinyCrazy who compared multiple clubs). And it looks like Monday, Tuesday just will not give me best experience for NRW.
I'm thinking to hit Samya Sunday, then make the short drive to Hessen for Monday / Tuesday before flying out.
Just to summarize the research, see below. If I had more days or weekend days, I would have said High Priority. Samya, Babylon. Mid Priority. Acapulco Gold, Living Room, Golden Gate. Next time for me to deep dive into NRW.
Club, City. Lineup Size # (as per review), Entry Px, Basic Px.
LARGE.
Samya, Cologne - 60,70, 50.
MID.
Babylon, Cologne - 25,70, 60.
Living Room, Kaarst - 35,50, 70.
Mondial, Cologne - 20,30, 30.
SixSens, Lemiers - 30,55, 60.
SMALL.
Acapulco Gold, Elsdorf - 12,35, 50.
Golden Gate, Grefrath - 20,70, 100.
Penelope, Castrop - 30,30, 50.
Acapulco Prime, Velbert.
Venus. Hamminkelm.
Oceans, Dusseldorf.
Magnum, Erkrath.
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[QUOTE=ImOffToCollege;2883784]Re read the reports (helpful recent reviews from Eryk9021, ShinyCrazy who compared multiple clubs). And it looks like Monday, Tuesday just will not give me best experience for NRW.
I'm thinking to hit Samya Sunday, then make the short drive to Hessen for Monday / Tuesday before flying out.
Just to summarize the research, see below. If I had more days or weekend days, I would have said High Priority. Samya, Babylon. Mid Priority. Acapulco Gold, Living Room, Golden Gate. Next time for me to deep dive into NRW..[/QUOTE]We don't have same standards for quality. In NRW on Sunday, I would go to Golden Gate which is the highest quality in NRW and among Germany and even FKK land for me. To avoid if you look for little girls. On Monday, maybe I would try Sharks. On Tuesday, I would stay in bed.
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[QUOTE=ImOffToCollege;2883784]Re read the reports (helpful recent reviews from Eryk9021, ShinyCrazy who compared multiple clubs). And it looks like Monday, Tuesday just will not give me best experience for NRW.
I'm thinking to hit Samya Sunday, then make the short drive to Hessen for Monday / Tuesday before flying out.
Just to summarize the research, see below. If I had more days or weekend days, I would have said High Priority. Samya, Babylon. Mid Priority. Acapulco Gold, Living Room, Golden Gate. Next time for me to deep dive into NRW.
Club, City. Lineup Size # (as per review), Entry Px, Basic Px.
[/QUOTE]Thank you for sharing your research. I think the places under "Small" are not really smaller than the others on the list. Also I think Samya is 60,60,100 and Mondial is 50,30,50.
Babylon is in Elsdorf and Acapulco Gold is in Ratingen (DUS airport).
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[QUOTE=LeyenLouvain;2884081]Thank you for sharing your research. I think the places under "Small" are not really smaller than the others on the list. Also I think Samya is 60,60,100 and Mondial is 50,30,50.
Babylon is in Elsdorf and Acapulco Gold is in Ratingen (DUS airport).[/QUOTE]Samya is 60,60,50-100. Less popular girls still offer 50/30 min, and popular girls offer 100/30 min.
Also, 60 is the peak number (weekend 9 pm). If you visit on weekday early afternoon, you may see 3-5.
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Gold, Penelope, and Oceans wouldn't be considered small for venue or line up sizes. Number of girls have been in the 40-50 girls range at prime hours, although Oceans I wouldn't know for recent years. Twelve girls at Acapulco gold is definitely a bit low unless visiting in the early afternoon.
Living Room is a small venue and might have had a max of 30-40 girls in it's prime days but likely much less than that now.
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Swedish model
I don't want to scary you guys, but it seems like the Nordic model (aka the sex purchase ban) is on the radar again in Germany. From what I read no new proposals on the prostitution will happen until a study about prostitution laws in Germany is completed by next year. Don't know what will happen. Hopefully nothing bad will happen. It's stupid that politicians and special interest groups are still trying to introduce the Swedish model despite plenty of evidence that it harms sex workers.
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[QUOTE=LeyenLouvain;2884081]Thank you for sharing your research. I think the places under "Small" are not really smaller than the others on the list. Also I think Samya is 60,60,100 and Mondial is 50,30,50.
Babylon is in Elsdorf and Acapulco Gold is in Ratingen (DUS airport).[/QUOTE]Thanks for feedback gents. Fixing the writeup. Unfortunately LU# size cannot be objective unless you compare on sale exact day, same hour (maybe that's a good project). Also added places which are often discussed here but are shut down.
Thanks Sirioja for recommending Golden Gate. Some day!
Club, City. Lineup Size # (as per review), Entry Px, Basic Px.
LARGE.
Samya, Cologne - 60,70, 50-100.
MID.
Babylon, Elsdorf - 25,70, 60.
Mondial, Cologne - 50,30, 50.
SixSens, Lemiers - 30,55, 60.
Acapulco Gold, Ratingen - 12,35, 50.
Penelope, Castrop - 30,30, 50.
Oceans, Dusseldorf.
SMALL.
Golden Gate, Grefrath - 20,70, 100.
Living Room, Kaarst - 35,50, 70.
Finca Erotica, Dierdorf.
Acapulco Prime, Velbert.
Venus, Hamminkelm.
Magnum, Erkrath.
SHUT DOWN.
Dolce Vita, Raubach.
Bernd's, Schieferhof.
Golden Time, Bruggen.
YinYang, Roermond.
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Train Strike 24 to 29 Jan
Read all about it here.
[URL]https://www.euronews.com/travel/2024/01/22/germany-rail-strikes-train-travel-disruption-to-continue-into-2024[/URL]
I'm over there this week 25th to Feb. 1st.
Need to get from Dusseldorf airport to Bochum evening of 25th.
Will do taxi if I have to.
Very few buses from that airport.
Any thoughts?
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[QUOTE=Wanking;2888259]Read all about it here.
[URL]https://www.euronews.com/travel/2024/01/22/germany-rail-strikes-train-travel-disruption-to-continue-into-2024[/URL]
I'm over there this week 25th to Feb. 1st.
Need to get from Dusseldorf airport to Bochum evening of 25th.
Will do taxi if I have to.
Very few buses from that airport.
Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]Every time I see discussions about transportation when visiting clubs, for most situations I think, "It's Germany, the car capital of the world. Renting a car seems like the better option. ".
My most recent rental, 87 USD for a compact car for 3 days out of Frankfurt. Previous trip, 290 USD for 10 days from Amsterdam with a free upgrade to standard class. The shorter the trip, the less time I want to waste navigating public transit. There was a time when I was parking at Acapulco Gold literally 1 hour from when my plane landed.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2882854]Better to avoid around Orthodox Easter. NRW is better value than Hessen and closer to border. You can try 6 ens NL on border close to Aachen. Also Penelope, LR and GG. Better to visit from Thursday to Sunday.
What I love in NRW is when girls I chosse put off dress, panties, for me in room. So exciting.[/QUOTE]I fucked up a bit, should have checked the calendar. In UK we have Monday the 6th May off so I got my plane ticket and hotels booked for that weekend. Notice it's the orthodox Easter weekend, damn.
What percentage of the females will go home do you think. Do you think all the best ones fuck off and hound dogs stay behind?
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[QUOTE=Chris1791;2889043]I fucked up a bit, should have checked the calendar. In UK we have Monday the 6th May off so I got my plane ticket and hotels booked for that weekend. Notice it's the orthodox Easter weekend, damn.
What percentage of the females will go home do you think. Do you think all the best ones fuck off and hound dogs stay behind?[/QUOTE]Orthodox easter is the most important for religion for Romanians, I remember Megan who told me going to church with family, Those who made good enough business to afford, should return home.
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Train strike has been ok
Still plenty of trains running. I got to bochum quickly.
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About business told here, Germany remain by far best value for money, except too expensive little Romanians at Sharks, and also best quality for me, compare to the fall for quality in Switzerland and Austria where Wellcum is only on Italians level, Italians don t kiss, tell girls, even I found a really good kisser on my single visit on 2023.3 visits at Globe on 2023 and 0 room, fall for Freubad compare to great Summer 2022 . In Germany, I still find really high level girls for 100 to 150 per 60 , as a foreigner. When level of Romanians fell for me, but I found more GFE Germans. Still good for me and better than escorts now in Paris where also fall for quality.
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Who is pushing this model in Germany?
[QUOTE=BaltiX;2884367]I don't want to scary you guys, but it seems like the Nordic model (aka the sex purchase ban) is on the radar again in Germany. From what I read no new proposals on the prostitution will happen until a study about prostitution laws in Germany is completed by next year. Don't know what will happen. Hopefully nothing bad will happen. It's stupid that politicians and special interest groups are still trying to introduce the Swedish model despite plenty of evidence that it harms sex workers.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Mathias037;2891034]Why does the administrator not delete such posts? It has nothingbto do with subject of the forum.[/QUOTE]I won't opine on the degree to which fascism is growing in Germany, but local unrest can seriously impact tourists. Safety is a legitimate concern on this board, and things in Germany have gotten worse.
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For not tourist in mind who refuse to be fucked by average dacia at Sharks and who don t need Globe rules to manage with girls, Atlanta, Magnum with HH before 6 pm and Castrop are should be best values for money, with some looks who would be the prettiest at Globe, at least in Rhur.
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Leipzig
Has anyone been to the FLL Saunaclub in Leipzig, if so opinion? I could be going to that city. I can't find any reports.
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Nuremburg
How about Nuremburg, I am more likely to be going there, any FXX recommendations there? There seems to be quite a few there. I could be there as early as Thursday next week. Thanks.
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[QUOTE=Abox79;2897060]Has anyone been to the FLL Saunaclub in Leipzig, if so opinion? I could be going to that city. I can't find any reports.[/QUOTE]You mean [URL]https://www.fkk-leipzig.com[/URL], I suppose?
Never been there myself. A few years ago it was part of a group consisting of FKK World, Mainhattan and Finca. I have no idea if that is still the case, but that could indicate something (?).
FWIW: Local forums report about a small FKK club which is dead in daytime and with perhaps 10+ girls in the evening. Mostly in the age group 30+ and no top optics. A lot of upselling. Quotes given in the last 12 months in the range of 100- 200 E /30 and 100- 250 E /60 for a GFE-session. I am guessing most girls will accept 100 E /30 and 150- 200 E /60 like in Hessen. Club is clean. Free beer. Horrible food. Unfriendly staff.
It does not sound promising. ISG could certainly need an update on this club, but asking you to TOFTT is perhaps asking too much?
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If I go
[QUOTE=Shark16;2897165]You mean [URL]https://www.fkk-leipzig.com[/URL], I suppose?
Never been there myself. A few years ago it was part of a group consisting of FKK World, Mainhattan and Finca. I have no idea if that is still the case, but that could indicate something (?).
FWIW: Local forums report about a small FKK club which is dead in daytime and with perhaps 10+ girls in the evening. Mostly in the age group 30+ and no top optics. A lot of upselling. Quotes given in the last 12 months in the range of 100- 200 E /30 and 100- 250 E /60 for a GFE-session. I am guessing most girls will accept 100 E /30 and 150- 200 E /60 like in Hessen. Club is clean. Free beer. Horrible food. Unfriendly staff.
It does not sound promising. ISG could certainly need an update on this club, but asking you to TOFTT is perhaps asking too much?[/QUOTE]Thanks Shark16, If I go I will. But as today has gone on it's looking more like Nuremberg or Munich. I think Hawaii is highly rated in Inglostadt.
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FKK Hawaii (Ingolstadt)
[QUOTE=Abox79;2897199] it's looking more like Nuremberg or Munich. I think Hawaii is highly rated in Inglostadt.[/QUOTE]Never been there. I have too many prejudices against Bavaria clubs (notoriously infamous for their upselling). FKK Hawaii market itself as the biggest FKK club in Bavaria. [URL]https://fkk-hawaii.de/[/URL].
Local reports are mixed. 15- 25 girls with GFE sessions from 70 E /30. But with A LOT of upselling. You need to be very selective (or lucky) or a regular to get 70E GFE-sessions. 2023 reports were promising, but the 2024 reports make it sound like a club in trouble. They are saving on everything. Showers in the lockers room not functioning (have not been working for months). Massage room also not working. Food reduced to a minimum (and nothing after 11 pm). Entrance fee was as high as 80 E, but with a lot of promotions (presently at 55 E, I think).
It would be helpful to have above assumptions verified or corrected. Are you TOFTT?
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FKK Hawaii
[QUOTE=Shark16;2897315]Never been there. I have too many prejudices against Bavaria clubs (notoriously infamous for their upselling). FKK Hawaii market itself as the biggest FKK club in Bavaria. [URL]https://fkk-hawaii.de/[/URL].
Local reports are mixed. 15- 25 girls with GFE sessions from 70 E /30. But with A LOT of upselling. You need to be very selective (or lucky) or a regular to get 70E GFE-sessions. 2023 reports were promising, but the 2024 reports make it sound like a club in trouble. They are saving on everything. Showers in the lockers room not functioning (have not been working for months). Massage room also not working. Food reduced to a minimum (and nothing after 11 pm). Entrance fee was as high as 80 E, but with a lot of promotions (presently at 55 E, I think).
It would be helpful to have above assumptions verified or corrected. Are you TOFTT?[/QUOTE]I went to this club once a long time ago but did not session. Which was a shame given how far away from the center of Munich it is. I can't speak to the rooms since I didn't session, but otherwise I remember a club that was clean and spacious enough. It had an open, remodeled warehouse kind of feel to it. Food was mediocre. There were maybe 15 to 20 Romanian girls with the exact same look. Tanned skin and jet black hair. I go for that look, but I had already fucked that the night before and really wanted something different. I hung around for a few hours. Nibbled on some food. Had a few drinks. Chatted up a few tutes. Decided to leave and never return! Too far away in the middle of nowhere for a tourist monger to take another chance on FKK Hawaii. And that was my experience with this club well before COVID. As for many clubs, sounds like those may have been better times for FKK Hawaii.
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Possibly
[QUOTE=Shark16;2897315]Never been there. I have too many prejudices against Bavaria clubs (notoriously infamous for their upselling). FKK Hawaii market itself as the biggest FKK club in Bavaria. [URL]https://fkk-hawaii.de/[/URL].
Local reports are mixed. 15- 25 girls with GFE sessions from 70 E /30. But with A LOT of upselling. You need to be very selective (or lucky) or a regular to get 70E GFE-sessions. 2023 reports were promising, but the 2024 reports make it sound like a club in trouble. They are saving on everything. Showers in the lockers room not functioning (have not been working for months). Massage room also not working. Food reduced to a minimum (and nothing after 11 pm). Entrance fee was as high as 80 E, but with a lot of promotions (presently at 55 E, I think).
It would be helpful to have above assumptions verified or corrected. Are you TOFTT?[/QUOTE]Thanks, again, Sharks16. I am deliberating. I was also alerted to two clubs just over the border in Austria. Atlantis is one of the two that looks better and a bit nearer than the other. Choices, choices. I will only have one night so need to make my mind up as trip is next week.
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[QUOTE=Abox79;2897331]Thanks, again, Sharks16. I am deliberating. I was also alerted to two clubs just over the border in Austria. Atlantis is one of the two that looks better and a bit nearer than the other. Choices, choices. I will only have one night so need to make my mind up as trip is next week.[/QUOTE]I've always found Colosseum better than Hawaii. Small no food but decent rates. Low upsell. On the plus side, at Hawaii I had the best lady ever in any club back some years ago. German girl with blond braids and abs that a Greek god would be jealous of.
But Mystic in Salzburg is a gem. Beats all the other clubs in the area. It's on the border- technically over the border and in the parking lot is a Bordello.
Anyway. Go.
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[QUOTE=Tintin1;2897495]I've always found Colosseum better than Hawaii. Small no food but decent rates. Low upsell. On the plus side, at Hawaii I had the best lady ever in any club back some years ago. German girl with blond braids and abs that a Greek god would be jealous of.
But Mystic in Salzburg is a gem. Beats all the other clubs in the area. It's on the border- technically over the border and in the parking lot is a Bordello..[/QUOTE]Mystic casting is higher potential than at Atlantis close to Kitzbühel where I really liked Megan elegance.
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[QUOTE=Tintin1;2897495]I've always found Colosseum better than Hawaii. Small no food but decent rates. Low upsell. On the plus side, at Hawaii I had the best lady ever in any club back some years ago. German girl with blond braids and abs that a Greek god would be jealous of.
[/QUOTE]I had almost the same experience about 5 years ago, when I was visiting Colosseum often and had some favourites there. But in just one and only visit to Hawaii at that time, I had the most unforgettable time with a fit, slender and very beautiful German girl called Caroline, who dominated and raped me (although that is not really my thing). There was also another beauty called Erica, who was a Romanian, but she could not compare with Caroline.
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Mystic
[QUOTE=Tintin1;2897495]But Mystic in Salzburg is a gem. Beats all the other clubs in the area.[/QUOTE]Hehe ... It seems I am the only with bad experiences at Mystic. I hate that club! Anyways, Tintin is the Bavaria / Northern Austria expert among us. That should mean something.
Abox,
If you choose to go to Mystic, then I suggest you read the Mystic thread of ISG. It's easy to read with some insights. Beware of upselling. Take notes of girls with bad reputation.
Have fun!
- S16.
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Most black FKK
I'm curious, which FKK has most black beauties / WGs?
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Black
[QUOTE=Milfotronic;2898056]I'm curious, which FKK has most black beauties / WGs?[/QUOTE]I've never been to any FKK that had a significant number of black providers, and I've been to a lot of them. There have always been easily less than a handful (1 or 2 maybe), if any at all. If you want black chicks then FKKs are not the place. Have you considered Dubai, the Dominican Republic or Brazil? Those seem to be the best places for black providers outside of Africa based on my own travels and observations. Or, go to Africa itself.
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[QUOTE=Milfotronic;2898056]I'm curious, which FKK has most black beauties / WGs?[/QUOTE]At the moment, I would say Oase on Saturday evening with Tanzanian Jeni, Bella and others. Usually, some at Babylon Elsdorf NRW.
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Entry to clubs.
Can the entry to clubs be paid by card? (Particularly the RTC clubs).
I understand the girls cannot.
Thanks.
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[QUOTE=Shark16;2897594]Hehe ... It seems I am the only with bad experiences at Mystic. I hate that club! Anyways, Tintin is the Bavaria / Northern Austria expert among us. That should mean something.
Abox,
If you choose to go to Mystic, then I suggest you read the Mystic thread of ISG. It's easy to read with some insights. Beware of upselling. Take notes of girls with bad reputation.
Have fun!
- S16.[/QUOTE]"Mystic".
If you really want to get a decent list then usually one of the German language forums is best. The Austrian Erotikforum has the most details. Lusthaus will have occasional burst of current info. Also if you don't have a car make sure you have Uber app and / or be nice to the girl at the front desk and ask her to call you a taxi home!
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[QUOTE=Piggsy;2898127]Can the entry to clubs be paid by card? (Particularly the RTC clubs).
I understand the girls cannot.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]In Switzerland, Austria, at Oase and at GG.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2898068]I've never been to any FKK that had a significant number of black providers, and I've been to a lot of them. There have always been easily less than a handful (1 or 2 maybe), if any at all.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Her is an update from last week: 1 at Sharks, 4- 5 Africans + 1 latina at Oase, and zero at World. It can vary a bit from day to day, but a general feeling is that there are usually no more than 0- 3 black girls at the major Hessen clubs.
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Venus Hamminkeln
I was there on Thursday afternoon. Here are the pros and cons.
Pros.
1 a true FKK, the girls wear nothing but their high heels.
2 the girls are top notch, on paar with Sharks.
3 the wellness might be the best in the NRW. They even a jacuzzi indoors, which is a genuine unicorn since the Nord Stream fiasco.
4 the front desk is still touting 50/30, true or not.
5 mostly Dutch bears, a friendly group in the sauna.
Cons.
1 this is a non-approach club, I didn't see a single provider approach a bear.
2 they are stingy about towels.
3 the music isn't good.
4 a small lineup, maybe 12 girls.
5 the girls took very little interest in the 10-12 bears in the club.
6 you shouldn't have to run game on pros. If they are difficult on the couches, the room isn't going to get any better.
I might revisit on a Friday / Saturday night to see if the vibe is different.
For now, I'm moving on to GG.
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Small Lucifer. De, now little mum, still on business, where she started long time ago.
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Black girls
[QUOTE=Shark16;2900835]Agreed. Her is an update from last week: 1 at Sharks, 4- 5 Africans + 1 latina at Oase, and zero at World. It can vary a bit from day to day, but a general feeling is that there are usually no more than 0- 3 black girls at the major Hessen clubs.[/QUOTE]Among Hessen big 5, there is no black girl in FKK Palace, FKK Mainhattan and FKK World. There is only one black girl in FKK Sharks. There is another one in FKK Oase.
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[QUOTE=UShobbyist;2903782]Among Hessen big 5, there is no black girl in FKK Palace, FKK Mainhattan and FKK World. There is only one black girl in FKK Sharks. There is another one in FKK Oase.[/QUOTE]I saw 4 black at Oase.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2901624]Small Lucifer. De, now little mum, still on business, where she started long time ago.[/QUOTE]Which club is she working at nowadays and on which days?
Was in Germany recently but did not see her at either Acapulco Gold or Club Penelope.
Thanks.
Howie.
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Black girls
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2903881]I saw 4 black at Oase.[/QUOTE]There were 5 black girls last year and all 5 were completely nude. They left Oase because they did not get enough business from punters especially from Asian punters. There are always a larger number of Asian punters in Oase.
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[QUOTE=Howie;2903999]Which club is she working at nowadays and on which days?
Was in Germany recently but did not see her at either Acapulco Gold or Club Penelope.
Thanks.
Howie.[/QUOTE]She started at Great Palace long time ago, she returned to Penelope few years ago, usually on Friday or Saturday. Now little mum. A bit of FKK history.
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[QUOTE=UShobbyist;2904287]There were 5 black girls last year and all 5 were completely nude. They left Oase because they did not get enough business from punters especially from Asian punters. There are always a larger number of Asian punters in Oase.[/QUOTE]Tanzanian Jeny, Bella and others, seen at Oase on this year.
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Protestan easter
Hi Everyone, I am planning a trip to Frankfurt on 11th-14 April and already noticed that 31 March is protestan Easter. Do you think line ups are affected?
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[QUOTE=Iceberg27;2904556]Hi Everyone, I am planning a trip to Frankfurt on 11th-14 April and already noticed that 31 March is protestan Easter. Do you think line ups are affected?[/QUOTE]31 March is catholic easter. 5 May for orthodox for Romanians.
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[QUOTE=Iceberg27;2904556]Hi Everyone, I am planning a trip to Frankfurt on 11th-14 April and already noticed that 31 March is protestan Easter. Do you think line ups are affected?[/QUOTE]Those girls who are planning to go home will leave about 2 weeks before the Orthodox Easter which is in early May this year. So, your visit dates would not be affected.
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[QUOTE=TankTank123;2904625]Those girls who are planning to go home will leave about 2 weeks before the Orthodox Easter which is in early May this year. So, your visit dates would not be affected.[/QUOTE]Thanks.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2904587]31 March is catholic easter. 5 May for orthodox for Romanians.[/QUOTE]I will consider. Thanks.
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Castings are not at best under Ramadan and Catholic easter. On 2 first days, quite average casting in best value in FKK land, meaning You can have real beauties who would be among prettiest at Sharks and Globe, or sometimes a German, for 50 . When I don t pay just to empty my balls, 0 room on 2 first days, all under control. Yesterday, returning to my best quality in FKK land. No Russia, nor Italia, nor Iranian, nor Pola. Pol, nor Kira, nor Amy, but fat and uglies. When woman images are working, I don t look at uglies, but yesterday, when not looking for little eggs hidden in club, it was really to cry, except one, Romanian who now became a woman deep inside her body and I found the button to touch deep the now so reactive woman, amazing how the past bitchy princess turned so electric. Only one in 3 days, but what I look for: only quality making me dream, only what I want to pay for.
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I'm planning a trip to NRW or Hessen for May 9th to 11th. Will this be to close to orthodox easter? Or will the girls have returned by then?
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[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;2906716]I'm planning a trip to NRW or Hessen for May 9th to 11th. Will this be to close to orthodox easter? Or will the girls have returned by then?[/QUOTE]Orthodox Easter is 5 May, some girls should return for Friday 10 .
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Marijuana smoke at FKK's?
Dear gents,
With the recent "semilegalization" of marijuana smoking in Germany, do anyone know if this is allowed at the FKK's? Anyone observed the use?
Thanks!
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[QUOTE=NorthernSpirit;2906802]Dear gents,
With the recent "semilegalization" of marijuana smoking in Germany, do anyone know if this is allowed at the FKK's? Anyone observed the use?
Thanks![/QUOTE]I think there are many restrictions, like you need to be a member of a "cannabis club" in order to be allowed to buy and grow weed. And to be a member of a cannabis club you need to have been a resident in Germany for 6 months. And I don't think you're allowed to give your cannabis to anyone else either.
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[QUOTE=NorthernSpirit;2906802]Dear gents,
With the recent "semilegalization" of marijuana smoking in Germany, do anyone know if this is allowed at the FKK's? Anyone observed the use?
Thanks![/QUOTE]In FKK, this is cocaine, furthermore in Zurich where open market.
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Magnum condoms in Frankfurt
Does anyone know where can one buy Magnum condoms in Frankfurt?
Does airport pharmacy carry any condoms? Last time I went by, I didn't see any. Maybe condoms section is hidden?
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Top FKKs now?
Hi folks,
I will be back in Germany in early April. What are the top 5 FKKs these days? Last Oct I went to World, Shark and Ocean. Meanwhile I loved the low prices at World, I did connect with girls in Shark and Ocean too. Where should I go this time? Thanks.
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[QUOTE=MeridienL;2908408]Hi folks,
I will be back in Germany in early April. What are the top 5 FKKs these days? Last Oct I went to World, Shark and Ocean. Meanwhile I loved the low prices at World, I did connect with girls in Shark and Ocean too. Where should I go this time? Thanks.[/QUOTE]We are mid April? At Penelope, for 230, you can eat, drink whole day and have 4 rooms 50/30 and even with Germans or Polish. Best value in whole FKK land and some prettier than at Sharks where average looks ask 150/30.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2908520]We are mid April? At Penelope, for 230, you can eat, drink whole day and have 4 rooms 50/30 and even with Germans or Polish. Best value in whole FKK land and some prettier than at Sharks where average looks ask 150/30.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Sorry I meant early May. How do you compare Penelope to Ocean? Most girls accept to 50/30 in Penelope?
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I'm planning a trip to Sharks in June as I transit back from SE Asia to my annual USA trip.
Last year, I stayed at the Hotel Dormero, which was quite nice for the money and convenient.
I got there via train from Airport, then street taxi.
What is the best Taxi app for the area so I don't get ripped off. The taxis outside Sharks were brutal, like $7 to the Hotel which was in walking distance.
Any Hotels better than the Dormero?
Where is the good food in Darmstadt, any reccomendations? Some good basic German fare would be nice.
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[QUOTE=MeridienL;2908543]Thanks! Sorry I meant early May. How do you compare Penelope to Ocean? Most girls accept to 50/30 in Penelope?[/QUOTE]Oceans is to fuck tourist in mind and same for Sharks now. Again, girls are used to 50/30 at Penelope, even Germans, and some pretties. Early May is not good time, when orthodox easter.
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[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2908615]I'm planning a trip to Sharks in June as I transit back from SE Asia to my annual USA trip.
Last year, I stayed at the Hotel Dormero, which was quite nice for the money and convenient.
I got there via train from Airport, then street taxi.
What is the best Taxi app for the area so I don't get ripped off. The taxis outside Sharks were brutal, like $7 to the Hotel which was in walking distance.
Any Hotels better than the Dormero?
Where is the good food in Darmstadt, any reccomendations? Some good basic German fare would be nice.[/QUOTE]From Sharks to Dormero is about 1 kilometer walking 10 minutes. Good for heart to be strong to fuck.
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Ban on prostitution
Looks like there are serious plans to ban prostitution in Germany. Even demonstrations against it now: [URL]https://www.wearesexworkers.berlin/[/URL].
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[QUOTE=YellowFinTuna;2911458]Looks like there are serious plans to ban prostitution in Germany. Even demonstrations against it now: [URL]https://www.wearesexworkers.berlin/[/URL].[/QUOTE]CDU has made the the ban on prostitution a policy for their party in the 2025 election.
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[QUOTE=Downandup;2915873]CDU has made the the ban on prostitution a policy for their party in the 2025 election.[/QUOTE]Germany is going down. It is losing its appeal in so many ways. It's curious this prostitution ban appears when at the same time cannabis use is being decriminalized and most probably legalized in the near future. If they don't like the sex tourists they will get the weed tourists instead.
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[QUOTE=YellowFinTuna;2911458]Looks like there are serious plans to ban prostitution in Germany. Even demonstrations against it now: [URL]https://www.wearesexworkers.berlin/[/URL].[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Downandup;2915873]CDU has made the the ban on prostitution a policy for their party in the 2025 election.[/QUOTE]What will happen to all the girls thrown out on the street, the owners and staffs of the FKKs, the landlords, the food suppliers? This would be a significant economic impact to Germany and tons of its people.
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Economic Impact
[QUOTE=Max#01;2915947]What will happen to all the girls thrown out on the street, the owners and staffs of the FKKs, the landlords, the food suppliers? This would be a significant economic impact to Germany and tons of its people.[/QUOTE]Arguments like this are often made, but the truth is that the FKKs and other types of sex venues make up only a tiny blip in the entire economy. Yes, a lot of people would be hurt financially, but Germany would continue to hum right along as the economic powerhouse that it is.
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[QUOTE=Max#01;2915947]What will happen to all the girls thrown out on the street, the owners and staffs of the FKKs, the landlords, the food suppliers? This would be a significant economic impact to Germany and tons of its people.[/QUOTE]Don t worry. Germany is landers. Bavaria is richest, deep Rhur quite poor, but much more clubs in deep Rhur than around rich Munchen. When they fell for football, not anymore always winning at the end, but still on highest level in FKK land, when Switzerland really fell for quality, with now mostly girls coming from Germany at Globe and not the top levels who usually refuse Globe rules. I heard so many who would make a riot behind them at Globe, telling: I know big money there, but I don t like their rules and was same about Bruggen. This is a good point: these highest level girls are not in most expensive clubs.
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[QUOTE=Max#01;2915947]What will happen to all the girls thrown out on the street, the owners and staffs of the FKKs, the landlords, the food suppliers? This would be a significant economic impact to Germany and tons of its people.[/QUOTE]Dude,
Nobody cares. It's an insignificant effect on the economy.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2916002]Dude,
Nobody cares. It's an insignificant effect on the economy.[/QUOTE]Yes. Trust me: I am well aware of the disregard of ordinary citizens that goes into political decisions.
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Timing a Summer Visit
I knew to avoid the late Orthodox Easter and that many girls still have yet to return. But I've also heard many girls go on holiday during the summer.
So are different months / weeks during the summer better than others? Looking forward to basking in the sun but a full lineup is most important to me.
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Line-ups in summer
[QUOTE=JefferyG;2916514]I knew to avoid the late Orthodox Easter and that many girls still have yet to return. But I've also heard many girls go on holiday during the summer.
So are different months / weeks during the summer better than others? Looking forward to basking in the sun but a full lineup is most important to me.[/QUOTE]Girls take time off all the time (a day, a week, three months), but: Avoid the days around Orthodox Pentecost (which is June 24 this year) and the month of August, and you should be fine.
I have read reports too that lineups are yet to be in full force, but I don't think you can use Orthodox Easter as an excuse: Most girls will be back within a week. Same goes for Orthodox Pentecost.
If a FULL lineup is a must, then I'd pick May, June (not last week) and September (not first week) as best summer months. That said, I love the tranquil times at the FKK clubs in July and August. But that's me.
Have fun and report!
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[QUOTE=Downandup;2915873]CDU has made the the ban on prostitution a policy for their party in the 2025 election.[/QUOTE]A ban on prostitution in Germany will mean back to the old days of rampant rapes and sex crimes.