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[QUOTE=Blackpapi]I am gonna state something, and I want to hear from others to see if I get agreements or non-agreements to what I'm about to say. I've been a member of this site for a few months and I am now just posting reports and photos. But I am constantly hearing other members fight over prices they are paying for women (I make them sound nice huh?), and some criticizing the amount they spend.
Let's come to an understanding, if you are a fat, ugly, or whatever a somewhat very unattractive man, then you most likely will be paying more money than a guy that is very attractive and accordingly in between. I am in no way conceited, but I have no problem picking up women in the states, and there is no way I would pay more than 200R for a night with a girl in Rio. I feel like I am actually doing them a big favor, compared to the working man and women down there, and what they earn. 100-200R is almost a months salary in Rio. But I never had any problem with that at all on my first trip last August out of the 10 women I knocked out in the week I was there. I am in athletic shape, clean cut, with a nice smile, can dance, and I think that makes it easier for a women to take your offer if they connect with you and feel like they will enjoy your company (and dick!) all night, than if you look like you might smother them, smelly, smoke alot, bad breath, fucked up teeth, or whatever may be a turn off to these beautiful women. If you look like the second part, all it is to them is a quick session, and they might as well get what they can out of it!! You might just be a sacrifice to deal with for a few hours for their little bambinos they have back home.
Just put yourself in their shoes(heels) for second. If you were a male prostitute, would you have Halle Berry pay you the same amount to fuck you as Oprah Winfrey. Hell NO! Halle Berry can fuck me for 5$, no i'm lying..she can do me for free!, and Oprah will have to give me at least a thousand !!!! (Smile!!! anyway...she got the money for it) HAHAHAHAHA!
So each man, do yourself, and don't worry about what the next man is paying, because it is not coming out of you pocket!! Good luck to all!
Does anyone else feel me on this point ???[/QUOTE]Word! Often thought of posting something like this myself.
Cobra Comander
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[QUOTE=Bootytapper]Ok Fellas,
I am a rookie here, but not to Rio. I have been going down for a while but it was only 2 years ago I went digital so I can upload some from the last 2 years. Here is some from Carnaval'04, the next ones will be of '05. After I get down there in a month or two more will come. Enjoy![/QUOTE]
Thanks for the pics. I'm feeling nostalgic now, thanks alot! Valeu!
Wow, she has matured....
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=38541[/url]
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Melissa
I also cast my vote for Melissa - best attitude and overall performance I've found at the termas... she is a very nice person, hot body and knows how to use it.
[QUOTE=ibiza007]She is fantastic, very nice. Great body, great attitude. Another one of the so called "Bingo Girls" in Rio. The Bingo parlours are where they tell their parents they are working all these long hours.
IBZ[/QUOTE]
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Do Ugly Guys Pay More?
[QUOTE=Blackpapi]Let's come to an understanding, if you are a fat, ugly, or whatever a somewhat very unattractive man, then you most likely will be paying more money than a guy that is very attractive and accordingly in between...[/QUOTE]
Obviously, you only refer to freelancers and street-walkers frequenting MP, Balconey, Veranda Atlantico, Help, and similar venues in Rio. Obviously, in the termas, this is a non-issue, right? One more reason to stick to the termas in general.
[QUOTE=Blackpapi]I feel like I am actually doing them a big favor, compared to the working man and women down there, and what they earn. 100-200R is almost a months salary in Rio. But I never had any problem with that at all on my first trip last August out of the 10 women I knocked out in the week I was there. I am in athletic shape, clean cut, with a nice smile, can dance, and I think that makes it easier for a women to take your offer if they connect with you and feel like they will enjoy your company (and dick!) all night, than if you look like you might smother them, smelly, smoke alot, bad breath, fucked up teeth, or whatever may be a turn off to these beautiful women. If you look like the second part, all it is to them is a quick session, and they might as well get what they can out of it!! You might just be a sacrifice to deal with for a few hours for their little bambinos they have back home.???[/QUOTE]
First, R$ 100-200 is not almost a monthīs salary in Rio, not even a monthly minimum salary. Currently, the minimum salary is R$ 340.00, as far as I know.
But anyhow. What surprises me, however, is that you would say something like "you feel you are actually doing them a favor". Letīs not kid ourselves here even for a moment: here on ISG, we are mongers who like to fuck women for money. Nothing wrong with that as long as itīs legal, but also nothing especially noble about it. First and foremost, we are only doing ourselves favors, nobody else. If for one reason or another, in the process of indulging in our own fantasies, we benefit others, too... so be it. But letīs not make ourselves more altruistic than we actually are: we are NOT fucking to end world hunger, eradicate povery, or resolve Brazilīs unemployment problem. At least I am not.
[QUOTE=Blackpapi]Just put yourself in their shoes(heels) for second. If you were a male prostitute, would you have Halle Berry pay you the same amount to fuck you as Oprah Winfrey. Hell NO! Halle Berry can fuck me for 5$, no i'm lying..she can do me for free!, and Oprah will have to give me at least a thousand !!!! (Smile!!! anyway...she got the money for it) HAHAHAHAHA!???[/QUOTE]
Well, if you get daily calls from the bank about outstanding checks, have the landlord breathing down your neck about being behind on rent, and the pharmacy has cut off your credit to buy Nã for your baby.. fucking Hally Berry for free or 5$ bucks is not really gonna help you out of your dilemma, right? In that respect, it actually might make more sense to fuck the bank director, the landlord, and pharmacyīs manager. In a situation like this, Oprah starts looking pretty attractive already. Of course, the best would be to get pregnant by Mick Jagger and sue him for R$ 100,000 in child support. Per month! Hell, itīs been done before...
As to your theory that unattractive guys generally pay more than unattractive ones: as good (and logical) as it sounds at first, I donīt really think that it holds up to close scrutiny. Let me explain why I disagree:
First and foremost, hookers are in the business because they want the money (whether they actually NEED the money, and what they need or want it for is another issue entirely). Hookers are in their chosen line of work because they can make more money hooking than doing anything else in life. Just like any other business.
So saying that a hooker would give it up cheaper to an attractive guy is sort of similar to a woman expecting a mechanic to give her a hefty discount because she is good-looking. Will there be some mechanics who do that? Yes, sure. Does it make sense from a business standpoint? No it doesnīt.
Every time a monger and a hooker engage in a negotiation, there are myriad factors entering the equation: how badly you want sex, how badly you need sex now, your sexual preferences, her looks, chemistry, your budget, your other options available, your information on the price range, your communication skills, your acting-detecting skills, your negotiating skills, the time of the day, your level of drunkness, to what extent she wants money, to what extent she needs money right now, her willingness to provide certain sexual services, her price range, her other prospects, her skills in sizing up gringos price-wise, her communication skills, her acting skills, her negotiating skills, the risk involved for her, her willingness to put up with your ideosyncracies. These are the oneīs that come to mind, but I am sure, there are many many more. And because of all these elements involved, the individual outcome of any negotiation varies so widely... as clearly documented on this board.
So if you state that "you have never had any problem with.. paying R$ 100-200", I believe you. But it might have had nothing to do with being attractive, or young, or slender, or very little. You might just have found girls that were newbies, with little information about the going prices, who were in a serious bind for cash in a situation where there were very few other potential prospects around. Girls like that will drastically drop rates without it having anything to do with you personally. Iīve seen it happen many times, including to me. For example, I personally know several long-time Rio mongers who like to hang in front of Help especially at the end of each month, fully aware that rates will be much more reasonable as girls struggle to make rent.
So after all, personally, I believe that the johnīs looks, while being a factor, are a minor element of a GDPīs pricing strategy. It is simply not in their interest for looks to be a determining factor in picking clients. As a matter of fact, how you treat her in general might be more important in terms of her assessment of how troublesome you might possibly be for her. And how you treat women has nothing to do with looks, age, or weight.
One more thing, now that it comes to mind: is it in a girlīs interest to TELL you that you are very good looking and sheīs giving you a price-break because of it? You bet it is. Donīt remember how many help chicks Iīve met sweet-talking me a la "I normally charge 400 Reais, but since youīre so young and handsome, I will only charge you R$ 300!". No comment necessary, I believe. Just another element of the usual BS strategy so many employ.
Like you, I have never paid more than R$ 200 Reais in Rio for TLN, ever. I am just perfectly happy that I donīt pay as much as others, and content that I avoid the high-priced sharks and their associated problems altogether. As tempting as it is for me at times to attribute this to the fact that I am just such a handsome, sexy guy, I am not that self-delusional yet. I believe it has much more to do with the fact that I treat them like the women they are (yes, they are women first and foremost), give them no headache, and communicate well in Portuguese. And because I know the going rates and know a rip-off price when I am quoted one. I am not very preoccupied about the future, because while my looks and sex appeal may fade, the issues that I believe really matter much more for them in terms of my personality and my experience and skills will only improve over time.
EA
P.S.: Sorry for such a lengthy post in the Photo section, but thatīs where this came up... I hope I can be forgiven, especially since I posted some (general) pics yesterday in the Carnaval section.
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[QUOTE=Amerioca]Thanks for the pics. I'm feeling nostalgic now, thanks alot! Valeu!
Wow, she has matured....
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=38541[/url][/QUOTE]What do you mean by "matured"?
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[QUOTE=El Austriaco]Obviously, you only refer to freelancers and street-walkers frequenting MP, Balconey, Veranda Atlantico, Help, and similar venues in Rio. Obviously, in the termas, this is a non-issue, right? One more reason to stick to the termas in general.[/QUOTE]Yes, if you're fat and ugly.
[QUOTE=El Austriaco]As to your theory that unattractive guys generally pay more than unattractive ones: as good (and logical) as it sounds at first, I donīt really think that it holds up to close scrutiny. Let me explain why I disagree:[/QUOTE]No matter how you slice it attractive guys at Help have the opportunity to pay less. Whether they are savvy enough to avail of it is another matter. Other positive factors (not exhaustive) include
-Being a known or regular face at Help.
-Being good in bed.
-Speaking portuguese.
Back in 2001 I knew one hottie at Help who used to charge me R$50 but was hitting an elderly (late-50s) American for R$400 which was top dollar back then. I also had an apartment full of 5 Help GDPs as neighbours for 6 months. The cutest one would not go with Americans (white or black) and would only leave with young, goodlooking Europeans and was usually successful. I thought she was BSing me but I knew two Americans (circa 40) who she repeatedly blew out much to their frustration.
Does this make any business sense? No
Would this be the attitude of GDPs elsewhere? Unlikely.
Does this happen in Brasil? Yes, absolutely. In fact IMO it's part of the charm of Brazilian GDPs that non-business factors often come into play.
Just my $0.02. Anyway back to the photos.
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photos
The Photo Section is not for chat or big long posts.
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[QUOTE=RonnyRon]Thanks for giving back! Lovely ASS is all I can say and you also have good taste in the apartments you select. That single is very nice indeed. I saw your photos and memories just came rushing back. LOL. Thanks again.
RonnyRon[/QUOTE]Thanks RonnyRon. Of course, you know you're my idol! Very nice studio.
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quiet around here
Carnival just ended and I can't believe there aren't any new pics. Well guys, I guess you'll have to wait until I return from my April 23 trip to Rio.
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Nothing New?
[QUOTE=Lonzof]Carnival just ended and I can't believe there aren't any new pics. Well guys, I guess you'll have to wait until I return from my April 23 trip to Rio.[/QUOTE]Lonzo I know what you're saying. I am planning to go in soon also so we will have to get post the pics then.
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Well I guess its time for a few pics! Wake up Mongerers!
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Fuck the sheets I guess, lets use the mattress pad as a blanket!
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Hey Homey!! Whisper in her ear and make her bend over so I could get a money shot under that dress !! Yes, a little more, a little more, more. Wait Wait, YESSSS I got it! HAHAHA
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Priscilla, OH Priscilla! Hey I finally remembered another name!! A good one here Dudes! A little tough on the negotiations, but she can be cracked! She might get a 2nd go around on the next trip next week!
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Um I have no idea of what her name was, or what her face looked liked!! HAHA, sorry!