Lazzaro, ignorance has nothing to do with a difference of taste.
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Lazzaro, ignorance has nothing to do with a difference of taste.
o****,
you are talking in circles whether you know it or not. most women, and men, do not become prostitutes because they know, intuitively or by observing, that it is pretty much the bottom of the barrel. prostitutes are bottom of the shit heap, partoicularly in thailand and the prostitutes know that as well. i pay them to suck my cock and eat my arse, and then to leave. there is no love or hate in it, just as there is no love or hate for any other spittoon or a urinal.
Why don't the younger women get regulars? Well some do - I see women of all ages (18 up to 40s), and have been a "regular" with many across that range. I suspect that the reason the younger ones get less regulars is that they are more interested in themselves and their very narrow range of interests, and sexually they just aren't as experienced. Older women are more adept at feigning interest in the client, are more focused on pleasing him rather than playing at being a starfish, and can hide their disdain better. I believe many men see the women for far more than sex, especially those men who become "regulars". Personally I like to develop a rapport with the women which could be likened to friendship, which a few cases has developed into real friendship - identifiable when you just meet up for a coffee or to socialise without sex or money being involved, or have sex without money being involved.
[QUOTE=Billy Ibrox]You are talking in circles whether you know it or not. Most women, and men, do not become prostitutes because they know, intuitively or by observing, that it is pretty much the bottom of the barrel. [/quote]No, Billy, people do or do not become prostitutes (or any other kind of worker, I. E. Powerless person) by processes beyond their control. The illusion of individual volition is a type of hubris in workers such as yourself that is very useful for your owners.
[quote]Prostitutes are bottom of the shit heap, partoicularly in Thailand and the prostitutes know that as well. I pay them to suck my cock and eat my arse, and then to leave. There is no love or hate in it, just as there is no love or hate for any other spittoon or a urinal. [/QUOTE]This segment of your posting reveals only your negative and prudish attitude towards your own sexuality. You see sex acts as comparable to urination or expectoration. Some of us see them quite differently. Certainly I consider sex one of the most pleasurable and important aspects of life, not unlike a fine meal. You seem to see sex an unpleasant inconvenience like elimination. One wonders if you eat at McDonalds.
That said, according to you, you do not actually ejaculate inside your service providers, and thus the spittoon and urinal analogies are technically inaccurate. I do ejaculate inside, but find those analogies poor as coming inside a woman is profoundly satisfying.
[QUOTE=Billy Ibrox]All prostitutes are bottom feeders. The people you should feel sorry for are those who entertain delusions about these creatures.
They should not be regarded as ordinary women. Never trust them for a single minute. [/QUOTE]Billy, are you telling us that you trust 'ordinary women'? That certainly seems more deluded than our empathy for the prostitute. The only difference between the prostitute and the ordinary woman is the price, and I can assure you I appreciate the one who offers the better deal.
o****: of course i come in hookers. but i wear a condom as i can do without their diseases. they are simply something to jerk off into, a cheap form of transitory entertainment. i cum, they go, very simple. i care nothing about them, except that they open their [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] flaps, their arse or their mouth, wherever i choose to put my dick. if we cold clone hookers, there might be a good market there but for now, we use human zombies to deposit our sperm with no emotional complications. we can compare hookers to many things like urinals, spittoons, waste/sperm disposal units. though slightly inaccurate (just as a horse is not quite a zebra and a hooker is not just a spittoon), comparing them so lets us keep them in perspective. the ones to be pitied and maybe even feared (by the cock suckers) are the nice guys who worship tjem today and kill them tomorrow. i beleive prostitutes sell sex and after we buy, it is time to do something better like play gold, work out in the gym, dive, go drinking, stuff normal people not hookers do.
i actually thing the beach road pattaya lowland clearances are good as it means there will be bargains and desperate women to be had. its one way to save on toilet paper anyway.
you speak about prudery and morality but you presume to lecture me. you appear to be the prude, not me and your alleged barebacking is just you in denial of your own prudish upbringing.
instead of calling you immature, i would just draw your attention to your last paragraph. (read my latest on the aw section) we do not trust all ordinary women but we try to find the one, special one, our holy grail. bottom feeders are not it.
[QUOTE=Billy Ibrox]I actually thing the Beach Road Pattaya lowland clearances are good as it means there will be bargains and desperate women to be had.[/quote]No, the clearance has eliminated the bargains, Billy. Before one could go get laid well for 300 baht at any time of the day or night. Now, no.
[quote]We do not trust all ordinary women but we try to find the one, special one, our Holy Grail. Bottom feeders are not it.[/QUOTE]They are most definitely it, collectively, Billy. Enjoying prostitutes eliminates the need for that ridiculous delusion (Madonna complex) you seek. All women are prostitutes, and there is nothing 'wrong' with that. And yes, they all have '[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] flaps', Billy.
At least here is one good thing the U.S. did for Iraq! An article from msnbc.com: [url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16717237/[/url]
[b]Temporary 'enjoyment marriages' back in Iraq[/b]
[b]Banned under Saddam Hussein, some say they are cover for prostitution[/b]
By Nancy Trejos
Washington Post Staff Writer
Updated: 1:03 a.m. ET Jan 20, 2007
BAGHDAD Fatima Ali was a 24-year-old divorcee with no high school diploma and no job. Shawket al-Rubae was a 34-year-old Shiite sheik with a pregnant wife who, he said, could not have sex with him.
Ali wanted someone to take care of her. Rubae wanted a companion.
They met one afternoon in May at the house he shares with his wife, in the room where he accepts visitors seeking his religious counsel. He had a proposal. Would Ali be his temporary wife? He would pay her 5,000 Iraqi dinars upfront about $4 in addition to her monthly expenses. About twice a week over the next eight months, he would summon her to a house he would rent.
The negotiations took an hour and ended with an unwritten agreement, the couple recalled. Thus began their "mutaa," or enjoyment marriage, a temporary union believed by Shiite Muslims to be sanctioned by Islamic law.
The Shiite practice began 1,400 years ago, in what is now Iraq and other parts of the region, as a way to provide for war widows. Banned by President Saddam Hussein's Sunni-led government, it has regained popularity since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq brought the majority Shiites to power, said clerics, women's rights activists and mutaa spouses.
"During Saddam's time, there was no religious freedom," said Faris al-Shareef, a sheik who lives in the mainly Shiite city of Hilla.
Opponents of mutaa, most of them Sunni Arabs, say it is less about religious freedom and more about economic exploitation. Thousands of men are dying in the sectarian violence that has followed the invasion, leaving behind widows who must fend for themselves. Many young men are out of work and prefer temporary over permanent wives who require long-term financial commitments. In a mutaa arrangement, the woman is entitled to payment only for the duration of the marriage.
[b]'A cover for prostitution'[/b]
"It's a cover for prostitution," said Um Akram, a women's rights activist in Baghdad. "Some women, because they don't want to be prostitutes, they think that this is legal because it's got some kind of religious cover. But it is wrong, and they're still prostitutes from the society's point of view." Um Akram, like the mutaa spouses interviewed, asked that only parts of her name be published.
Many intellectuals consider ancient traditions such as these an obstacle to Iraq's effort to become a more modern, democratic society. In recent years, extremist religious groups have gained more power in Iraq.
"These steps are taking the whole country backwards and are definitely hurdles to the advancement of the country," said Hamdia Ahmed, a former member of parliament and a women's rights activist in Baghdad. "The only solution is to separate Islam from politics."
Shiite clerics and others who practice mutaa say such marriages are keeping young women from having unwed sex and widowed or divorced women from resorting to prostitution to make money.
They say a mutaa marriage is not much different from a traditional marriage in which the husband pays the wife's family a dowry and provides for her financially.
"It was designed as a humanitarian help for women," said Mahdi al-Shog, a Shiite cleric.
According to Shiite religious law, a mutaa relationship can last for a few minutes or several years. A man can have an unlimited number of mutaa wives and a permanent wife at the same time. A woman can have only one husband at a time, permanent or temporary. No written contract or official ceremony is required in a mutaa. When the time limit ends, the man and woman go their separate ways with none of the messiness of a regular divorce.
[b]Temporary arrangements[/b]
Although the temporary arrangements are becoming more common, they are still controversial, and people usually conduct them secretly.
Ali had a normal marriage once. It lasted only three months because the couple did not get along. Her chances for another permanent marriage, she said, were slim. Men often prefer virgins over widows and divorced women, she said.
She welcomed Rubae's proposal because he was a well-known sheik in her neighborhood. Her family was fond of him. "He was a good guy, and he was a religious man," she said.
Rubae had been in 15 mutaa marriages before. A year ago he entered into a permanent marriage with a woman who had been his mutaa wife for a day. When she became pregnant eight months ago, she suggested he take a temporary wife but asked him not to tell her if he did. She does not know about his involvement with Ali.
"As a pregnant woman, she cannot give me my needs," Rubae said. "She treats me real good and she wants me to be happy."
He chose Ali partly because her blond hair, light brown eyes and petite figure had always attracted him. "When she puts makeup on, it destroys her beauty," he said.
He also liked that she was religiously devout, and he said he wanted to keep her from a relationship outside of marriage.
Ali didn't think of him in a romantic way at first. "After we got married, I started loving him," she said.
[b]Money tight[/b]
The money he gave her helped. Her father owns a bakery but money has always been tight, so much so that she had to end her education after elementary school. But money wasn't her only reason for entering the enjoyment marriage. "I have needs just like any other woman," she said.
Both Shiite and Sunni Muslims allow men to have more than one permanent wife, but they disagree over mutaa.
Most Shiites believe that the prophet Muhammad encouraged the practice as a way to give widows an income. Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, Iraq's most revered Shiite cleric, has sanctioned it and offers advice on his Web site.
Um Ahmed, a 28-year-old woman from Najaf, lost her husband in 2005 when he was caught in the crossfire of a fight between two Shiite militias.
Soon after his death, she had her first mutaa relationship, with a man who was in a permanent marriage. He paid her 50,000 Iraqi dinars upfront -- or $38 -- and gave her money whenever she needed it during their six-month relationship.
She said she needed it often. She is a tailor and the only one in her family of 10 who works.
"When a human being needs money, the need will make a person do anything," she said. "It's better than doing the wrong things. This is religiously accepted."
Many Sunnis believe that the practice is outdated and ripe for abuse. They also see it as more evidence of Iranian influence on Iraqi life. Mutaa is widespread in Iran's Shiite theocratic state.
[b]'Big insult to women'[/b]
"It is a big insult to women," said Ibtsam Z. Alsha, a Sunni lawyer and the head of the organization Women for the Common Good of Women.
Women's rights activists also bemoan what they say is an increase in mutaa on college campuses. Some female students do it for money. Others do it for love when their parents forbid them to marry a man from another sect.
Amani, a 22-year-old Baghdad University engineering student, said she is a Sunni but agreed to enter into a mutaa relationship with her Shiite boyfriend because her parents disapproved of him. "I hated my family because they did not allow this marriage," she said. "I did this to spite my family."
Still, she has not told them about the relationship. "If they find out, it will be my end," she said.
A woman cannot terminate a temporary marriage before it expires unless the man agrees, said four sheiks interviewed for this article.
Once the marriage is over, she has to wait at least two menstrual cycles before she can have another relationship so that paternity can be easily determined if she becomes pregnant, they said.
Most mutaa contracts stipulate that no children be produced. If a woman were to become pregnant anyway, Islamic law would require the man to support the child, the sheiks said. But the clerics disagreed over how much power they have to impose that rule.
Rubae said the man who refuses his child would be whipped or even killed. "We as the sheiks should be sure this thing will stay legitimate," he said.
[b]Rules enforcement[/b]
Shareef, the sheik from Hilla, said some men take advantage of their rights under religious law but refuse to accept their responsibility when a child is born. In some of those cases, he said, a sharia court, using Islamic law, is not as effective as a secular court in enforcing the rules.
"I am supporting the idea of the government regulating mutaa marriages, just like the permanent marriages, so these man cannot run away," he said. "Otherwise the women are losing their rights."
Um Akram, the women's rights activist in Baghdad, said more women are asking her organization for help in getting national identification cards for children born of mutaa relationships. Parents must present a marriage certificate to obtain the identification cards, which are required by schools and employers.
Um Akram said some single women have given up their children for adoption to married couples who can use their marriage certificates to register them.
"The men just hit and run, and they don't want to have a family," she said. "The children are paying the price."
Ali and Rubae agreed not to have children. They simply wanted to enjoy each other.
On the days he could see her, he gave her flowers, perfume, clothing and a watch. They had meals together. Sometimes he could spend the whole day with her. Other times, just five or six hours.
Ali said she cried when the marriage ended early last week. "It's just like a permanent marriage," she said. "When he leaves, I become sad."
Her sorrow did not last long. Rubae said Jan. 12 that he had decided to marry her again. This time, he said, he would marry her for a year, enough time for his wife to fully recover from childbirth.
Excellent post, Opebo.
[quote=billy ibrox]o****: of course i come in hookers. but i wear a condom as i can do without their diseases. they are simply something to jerk off into, a cheap form of transitory entertainment. i cum, they go, very simple. i care nothing about them, except that they open their [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] flaps, their arse or their mouth, wherever i choose to put my dick. if we cold clone hookers, there might be a good market there but for now, we use human zombies to deposit our sperm with no emotional complications. we can compare hookers to many things like urinals, spittoons, waste/sperm disposal units. though slightly inaccurate (just as a horse is not quite a zebra and a hooker is not just a spittoon), comparing them so lets us keep them in perspective. the ones to be pitied and maybe even feared (by the cock suckers) are the nice guys who worship tjem today and kill them tomorrow. i beleive prostitutes sell sex and after we buy, it is time to do something better like play gold, work out in the gym, dive, go drinking, stuff normal people not hookers do.[/quote]billy,
your post is disgusting. many of us spend time and energy trying to make our p4p experiences pleasurable, as in gfes. you seem to view these women as sub-human, certainly not "normal people". while i have had some wgs whom i regretted using, the vast majority were very nice people. in fact, 2 or 3 had more class in the clits than you do in your entire body.
i fear for the wgs you go with due to the huge amount of hostility you have for them. what is most tragic is that, while you vilify wgs, you fail to realize that [b] we, their clients, are no better than they are! [/b].
[b]if you feel that you are better than they, then you need to stop mongering![/b]
i never thought i would be standing up for o**** in any shape or form, but you billy are worse than o**** could ever be, or at least that is what your posts portray. whatever your background, you are either a scumbag council estate twat, or just a twat, both of which have made good enough to travel,overseas. your obvious dislike of women makes you out as a person of interest, and i hope that the powers that monitor this site pick you up sooner rather than later.
personally, i doubt if you have ever had sex with a woman, let alone p4p because anyone with any coginative reasoning ability would have refused you service, but then again there are ladies out there who enjoy abuse.
basically,billy, you're a twat.
Gents,
Why the hostility? Is it because ye know I am right. I always treat the meat providers well and I am always politie to them. They provide a service and I use it. Other people want to get close to them, to have GFEs. They are the dangeerous ones, just like they were in Ipswich. The reason George and Pete are so angry is because they want to rescue these fallen women and are incapbable of foring a relationship with a real woman. Pete has class issues to deal with as well. By all means, fulfill your fantasy in Thailand but realise it is a fantasy. Not that it matters but hundreds of these women have hat my cum on and in them. They are just a short term cum release machine.
Billy, I must disagree with you. Curtailed opportunities on Beach Road mean the women are even more desperate. That means lower prices and the performing monkeys will do more for their peanuts. So when I offer a good or at least reasonable price, the sperm catchers will do more for it.
There are four of us going there so a gang bang will definitely be on. That is only for beginners. We work through our fantasies, pay them pat them on the arse and send them away with a nice drink of juice to keep them smiling and in their place. What would you suggest? A wedding ring?
Like most people here I have strong views on Opebos mongering style.
But in this instance I think more power to Opebo, If I was standing in a brothel looking at clients I'm sure gut instinct would pick Opebo every time.
Billy is time bomb waiting to blow, watch the papers people of Billy's town this one is going to be running round taking lives.
George 90's post that clients are no better than the girls, thats kind of right. Without the client the WG doesn't exist, but then what came first the chicken or the egg, what is marriage except church condoned prostitution.
Billy if you hate hookers that much don't pay for them, marry one instead and make it easier for yourself.
Stop feeding the troll guys.
I hope for your soul's sake you are jesting.
If not then I have only pity for your sad empty souless life as if it is true then you have no soul. Indeed you are an empty person with no warmth and nothing in you to like. A user of women and a dillusionist that thinks themselves better than others. Sad thing is that you came into this world through a vagina born from a woman and you seem to run them down.
Prostitutes are there and they wouldnt be if there was no use for them. Ill admit that I use them and that I enjoy them but I enjoy the interaction just as much as the act of sex that happens. Wither I fuck thier ass mouth or pussy and cum over their face in their mouth or what ever I still enjoy the fact that Im doing this with another human being and not just knocking one out over a fantasy photo.
Yes I hope thay you are a troll indeed and trying to get a rise out of the readers.
Let's get back to something less stupid and more interesting:
Girls, what is the kinkiest thing you have ever done with a client, and where in general do you think the line should be drawn? Do you think it is OK to kiss a client full-on on the mouth, for example? Obviously you don't have to answer if you don't want to.