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Hey...I never said I WAS educated!!! LOL (As a matter of fact, I have admitted before that I'm not).
Honestly though, I certainly wasn't trying to start an argument. Each to his own, I think. Anyway...I'm not getting sex of ANY kind at the moment, so it really makes no difference to me whatsoever! :)
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While I'd also second Proko's sense that anal is a bit different than some of the other categories, there's little question that it's something that isn't as normative as vaginal or oral sex. That's like saying there are more hetero than homosexuals. No judgement involved there, just the way it is. And I agree with you, RN -- I know guys who are turned off by the idea of anal sex as well. Still, it's something that's far more mainstream than S&M or cross-dressing, etc., and while it's clearly something far more socially mainstream than it has been in the past, it's been reflected in literature practically since literature began.
There are various sex practices I've tried at times that were something my partner was into that simply weren't for me -- I gave them a shot, and sometimes it was good, sometimes it wasn't at all. Depending on the partner and the practice, I stayed with it or didn't. Just depends. Whatever floats whomever's boat, says I. I know lots of people who have had lots of interests and predilictions when it comes to sex, and as long as both (or all) partners are up for it, I say bring on the hamsters...
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. . . Since this Forum is "Anal Connoisseurs" I thought I'd share a story here - and probably upset RN in the process. Any respect I may have had in the past, will soon disappear . . .
A year and a half ago, I was at the infamous Market St Cinema in SanFran and the featured dancer was Cumisha, a 30 yo small, oriental woman who has made numerous porn flix. She was working the audience and sitting on my lap, nude. We discussed classical music (swear to God!). Turns out she is an accomplished pianist- and a nurse(!). Well, she asked me to go on stage with her to finish her act. I was flattered, but Proko is not fond of the bright lights and being watched. Not the actor type. She told me not to worry, she only needed my finger. Well, that is something I can handle so I jumped on stage to the applause of 40 guys or so. As she put a surgical glove on my hand with KY, she warned me to ONLY go in and out, NO twisting of any kind. OK, I can do that. I'm a college graduate. . .
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Facing away for the audience, Cumisha put her head thru her legs and looked up at me from beneath her butt, smiling as she spread her ass checks. "OK. Put a finger in my ass" she requested. I did as ordered and noticed how small this girl is ; maybe 100 lbs and a tiny looking butt hole. But it slid in easily as the crowd clapped for more. "Now 2 fingers" she asked. No problem, I'm getting good at this. "Now 3". Really? I ask her. Things are getting tight and I don't want to hurt her. "Yes. I KNOW what I'm doing. Give me 3!". OK mission accomplished. "Now 4". What a minute Cumisha. Is this a good idea? "Ok, now all 5". No! 5 is not a good idea. "Hey guy trust me., I'm a registered nurse in the State of California. I KNOW what I'm doing. Give me 5!"
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At this point, my entire hand is inside this little woman's rear! It seemed like a magic act - and I have big hands! I couldn't believe what I was seeing. She smiled up at me". "Now give me MORE!" What? Impossible! This just isn't right. Somewhere in the bible it says NOT to do stuff like this . . . Cumisha reaches back and takes my arm and forces more of my forearm into her rectum. The crowd is cheering us on, but this is TOO freaky for me. I definitely wasn't expecting this. It started out sexy, but now seemed "medical" She took still more of my arm and I could feel her hip bones and pelvis. I started to fight her. She pushed my arm deeper and I tried to get it out. Finally she gave up and the show was over. How much more she could have accepted I'll never know. I stood there dumbfounded. Afterwards, guys and strippers come up to me to ask questions - like I'm famous. "Was it real tight?" Actually ,no! "Did it look like she was in pain?" Absolutely not. She was smiling and relaxed the whole time. And the kicker . . . she does 3 shows a day, 6 days a week!
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My advice. Don't try this at home . . . Well maybe at RN's place at her request. - P
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Wow -- of course, Cumisha is fairly notorious as an anal specialist but that's definitely out there. I can assure you you'd never get me onto that stage -- bravo, Proko! Just curious -- given that she is also notorious as being "friendly" and very available with her fans, did you pick up the conversation again after the gyno experience and did it go any further?
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No, It didn't go any further. I would have enjoyed talking more but she left the stage and the building as well. She had a gym bag with KY, shoes, dildos and about a 100 surgical gloves! What a life! But I can attest to the fact that she is quite inteligent and friendly. Is a classical pianist and IS a nurse. More there than you might think - but of course that's a common misconception - "She's sexual so she must be stupid." Has made 3000+ videos!
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. As far as going on stage, my part was easy. If it had involved an erection, I would have bailed!!! Or more likely just failed. . .
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As far as trying to have sex with her after the show, what else could I have done? All I needed was a cigarette . . .
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Skinhead,
Actually her tastes run more to modernists- like Prokofiev . . .
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and although we are now bonded for life, I'm afraid that I'm not near the front of her line of admirers. But a finer wife could not be found . . .
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Your friend, - P
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Proko since U seem to be an expert i have some questions for u?
1- Among races & countries, which women are more likely to love anal?
2- Can you spot an anal fan based on her shape (skinny, fit, plump, overweight)?
3- i love big butt/small waist, but they rarely love anal, is there a pattern here?
4- What is the best way to meet anal women?
5- Do you think anal women are actively looking for men likw us & even share information?
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ok, now i can't tell which of these posts are a joke and which are legit. the cumisha story is absolutely true but not one in 100,000 women are going to find that sort of thing appealing. and it is her job. i would like to know if it is also a part of her "normal" love life, whatever normal might mean to her. but if you are looking for something "freaky", good luck. try alt.com website or a swingers club.
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as to races and types who enjoy anal, i'll go out on a limb. i have read and have experienced in my own life that black women do not enjoy anal sex. why? i'm not going there cause i don't know. in my rather limited experience with black women, they seem to enjoy deep vaginal penetration more, but my knowledge is quite limited here. i would be interested in the experiences of others.
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but in general, if you treat women with love, affection and respect they bend over backwards - quite literally - to please their men. anal sex is not rare. i've done it with every woman that i've had a relationship with. you need to take time to know and explore someone. anal (or bondage or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord101][CodeWord101][/url] or whatever) should not be something that you start with. these things take trust and often are an attempt for both people to reach yet a higher level of intimacy. to go one (or 2 or 3) steps further. to experience and give each other everything. but these ideas are meaningless if you haven't already reached some reasonable level of intimacy with your partner. if you try and get there quickly, it all seems disrespectful and becomes a sick joke. that's why it can be dificult to do with a pro. it loses much of its power. also attitude is so important. don't make these fetish acts into a comedy, laughing or just fooling around. it is more like a religious ritual, quite serious and an attempt at reaching some higher plane of sexual intimacy. to bond with her at the basest level of existence. . . ahh, how poetic . . .but true
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have you ever noticed that a large portion of black pornos are anally themed? it is no secret that black men are ass men and i think in the porno realm this lends itself to putting those asses to use. however i have never been able to get a black girl to do anal.
any thoughts?
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A.M.,
That's not just your experience (and mine), but a fact. I've seen several sex surveys that reported white women enjoyed or at least had tried anal more often than Latinas and Latinas more often than black women. Why? Not sure. Is it physical or attitudes? or both?
It is also reported in those surveys that women with greater education, experienced more anal. Why? Curiosity? Liberal ideas? Don't know, but you could connect the two and claim less college and grad school for black women = less anal sex. But I think there is something deeper than that at work here . . . Would like to hear other ideas.
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I have had anal sex with many black women. The issue is that black women tend to be more conservative and they are cognizant on how you may or others may perceive them after your sexual interlude. Therefore, if you want to have anal witha black women you have to gain their trust and let them know that what they are doing is natural and doesnt make them dirty or slutty.
Here an example, I was fucking this young woman and anal was aleways part of the mix. One day a group of friends decided to Play Truth or Dare. So the young woman was asked if she ever took it up the ass. She proceeded to say in the group that she never did it. Then all the other women chimed in and said how it was meant as an exit and not an entrance, yada yada yada. You heard it all before. Now the woman I was with loved it but she lied to her friends because she did not wan tto be percieved as slutty.
I think anal sex is where blowjobs were thirty years ago. It still perceived as slutty by some but it acceptance is growing on a daily basis. The younger women are definitely finding it more acceptable and part of thier normal sexual routine.
Just my two cents
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i think there is a lot to what prokofiev said. uneducated people tend to have simpler sexual tastes. we all know the inequitys in america and thus it is more likely for black women to be less educated than women from other races and for their attitudes towards sex to be shaped by this. stuides have shown this.
the interesting contrast is that men desire to fuck black women in the ass more than any other type of women. black women tend to have nicer asses. if you look at black pornography a very high % of it is ass and anal themed. that is why it is so ironic.
thing is most people have anal sex. ive had male friends whove acted like it was gross but then later admitted to it when i told them i did it with my girlfriend and liked it. ive known women whove made the same kinda comments as in the post below me but when conversations got steamy they admitted to it.
the real issue is this: men are attracted to women's asses just as they are attractd to women's breasts. it is a natural attraction obviously intended by god or evolution for some reason or another. the attraction to a girls ass leads itself to a desire for anal sex. the fact that the anus is tight and feels very good and feels very good ads to things, and the taboo adds to it too. the truth oft he matter is that most people- not just people who call themselves anal connoseurs- consider anal sex to be the "ultimate sex act."
the counter side to that is the unpleasant fact that the anus is used for shitting. that's something guys like us dont like to dwell on. unless your a connosuer of a wholy different variety you totally block out thoughts of shit while interacting with a girls ass.
we as human beings are naturally repulsed by fecal, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url], and mucus. since anal sex involves the part of the body associated with fecal matters people put on a public face of it being gross. they don't want to be thought of as dirty people or whatever. but the strange fact of the matter is that this supposed dirtiness leads to secrecy and the taboo that make the anal fruit all the more sweeter.
stew on that
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A-Master,
You are becoming the Shakespeare of this forum topic . . .
Waxing poetic about . . . well, I'll just stew on those thoughts a little more . . .
Wing,
The women you are talking about- are they girlfriends or pros? And are you white or black? As a white man, I have had 3 black women I've considered as girlfriends but none were interested in backdoor fun. But then again none of them were with me for very long. It's not something most people do the first couple of times together. And it's quite possible things would have changed over a longer relationship (I'm a very good teacher . . .) So I don't consider my own experiences as meaningful. But the sex surveys certainly are. Tell us more about your experiences . . .
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First, I am a black man and I have had experience with girlfriends and one night quickies and have been able to get anal in almost all cases.(Actually I hate to end a relationship until I have gotten the booty)
I have found that initiating a large amount of assplay is a really good way at openning them up. I am not shy even before the bedroom to talk about my love of ass and anal sex. So the women often go in knowing I am going to worship their asses (they almost all have incredible, above average asses). I am going to grab it, bite it, lick it and finger it. This of course goes along with doing the things that turn her on.
I guess I am like the Terminator when it comes to anal, I relentlessly pursue it until it is done. However, I am extremely cognizant of pain and will go slow, back off and go slow again until the deed is done. I use a ton of lube and just let the woman know how much she is turning me on and how appreciative I am of her for taking this step.
I don't know, maybe I just give off an aura of a asshound and attract women who secretly want it up the ass.
Just my two cents
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How many of you have found a gal who will (sorry RN) "eat the chili dog?" (suck on it during anal). I have a buddy who swears his ex loved to do it. I find this unlikely, butt then I noticed a bunch of movies at the XXX store that are just for this.
Anybody?