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I don't think what is being said here about racism is correct, like being refused by an albanian prostitute is racism (I really condemn and combat racism). Here what happened is that some of you guys, because your national origin, fell outside the model the prostitute accepts as clients. Because these girls have a very limited ability to deal with even modestly different 'situations', one reason being the lack of command in Italian and English, whoever they feel is outside the pattern of their typical/safe client, they refuse to serve. In other words, they could have turned you down even if white as a washed rag, but not speaking italian and looking strange otherwise.
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wordup you need some corrections in what you posted and I'm placing in between brackets. not to be pedantic but simply educative :)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by WORDUP
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WWWWWWWOOOOW !!!!
.... As an AMERICAN I did NOT know Italians were racist again anyone other than Black folks.
[The italian racists are not so against blacks and never have. They are so agaisnt people from poor countries that immigrate in Italy. Also there is racism against Jews by neo-nazis. But never against Blacks or any other race in particular]
I realize the Moors (as in Othello ) conquested area centuries ago, and were run out after hundreds of years.
[No Moors nor Blacks never conquered any part of Italy. Arabs held Sicily and part of south italy for some centuries, but they were of fair skin and in fact kept Black Africans as slaves]
Some I can see see fear of Black folks, but DAMN Asians. MAN I love Latino ladies, especially Italian ladies. I now have to cross Italy off my "TO DO" list. I think Latino women were the perfect blend of Black & White .... along with other races.
[Italian women (and men) are not really Latinos, nor Latino is a blend of black and white. The latter is called Mulatto and I agree that can be extremely attractive. Yes, many Italians have the characterics of people from spanish-speaking countries, but Italy, more than other countries in Europe, enjoyed a much larger genetical diversity for historic reasons, that is why you see a wide variety of 'types'. There are certain charactristics of Italian that I think are common to a large base of the population, but I'm digressing]
..... It is very GOOD to know that NOT everyone in Italy acts as the SW did. I am very glad to know that the brotha's of the WSG, are willing to take care of their own. You bring my faith back in WSG GooD WiLL.
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THE TROUBLE IN MILAN
Dear all, this evening I went to via Guinizzelli and spoke to my favourite girl. She was not there on last WE (she had her monthly trouble), but explained me what happened. The day before some girls had problems with some albanians going around there and disturbing them and their customers: they wanted money. The brother of one of the girls and some of his friends rudely "convinced" the albanians to go away but estabilished some rules:
1. Only italians - no strangers (only those they know and are "tranquilli");
2. The girls will not enter in cars whith more than one person;
3. The girls will not enter in closed cars where they cannot check the interior; etc.
All this because they fear these albanians (maybe some desperados, maybe some mafiosi {!!!!})
That's all!
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Now another information:
On my hunt for some italian girls (never had one before) I tried out some internet + secondamano advertisings:
On the internet I found the following link:
<<<see on bottom>>>
phone 3338003605
and had the following experience:
The prices indicated are not true; a very rude "lady" with the tipical accent from the "varesotto" answered to my call and after I posed her some questions she told me to give a better look to her internet site. Nevertheless, I fixed a date in Saronno (10 Km from Milan) front of the Motel at the entrance of the highway. Waited there 40 minutes - tried to call her on the cell phone: no answer. Went away!
After that on an italian forum I discovered that the photographs on the site are fakes as the age of the "ladies" are!
AVOID THEM
Second experience:
On secondamano (beside approx 50 adv. for 22 (!) years old cinese girls - sampled some => the nicest one was a 4-5) I found the advertising:
Accompagnatrice (bellissima) 22enne, italiana, mora, occhi verdi (fisico scolpito) cell. 3472613972
Called the number found a more educated (but not so much) "lady" telling me that she wanted to see my phone number before fixing a date. I called again with a secondary cell phone I never use (very usual thing here having two or thee SIM cards) and fixed a date. She told me to wait one hour, to go in via Famagosta and call her again. No answer. I called again the next day - same thing. etc. => lost four hours and visited twice my favourite uruguayan lady!
AGAIN, AVOID HER!
Finally, I tried to call some "escorts" found on the internet. Tried to call them at different times and sampled hundreds of " ... Telecom Italia Mobile ..... free message ..... the customer .....etc.".
AH HOW EASY WAS THE LIFE IN MILAN AND HINTERLAND ONLY THREE/FIVE YEARS AGO!!!!!!!!!!
AVOID
[url]http://web.tiscali.it/classyladies/alessandra.html[/url] or [url]http://www.accompagnatrici.da.ru/[/url]
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Hey Ambroes, Thanks friend for the info
about new rules at Via Guinizzelli , does
make me feel better knowing that the refusal
was not coz of racisim. So for sometime to come
non Italians can forget about Via Guinizzelli .
Thanks also for ur report on internet +
secondamano advertisings , its good to know
that they are waste of time . I hope things get
better in times to come and Italy also becomes
like other places of Europe .
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Hi BodyRockerForU,
yes that's true. Maybe it is the exteme heat + humidity of the last days which made us crazy.... but things are getting more and more difficult.
In every case stoly was perfectly right in his postings!
Regarding Secondamano sometimes I made excellent discoveries, but they were hidden between hundreds of .... so and so ... other adv. A couple of times I met vvvvvery cute hungarian girls and once a very nice cinese girl.... but a true statistically significant sampling procedure was necessary to find them.
In every case I will re-check some of the internet numbers in the next days ..... maybe.....
Well, one day I hope to find something like the Babylon in Vienna (my nightmare since I discovered it .....),
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found interesting forum (sorry in italian) on
[url]http://www.pornoerotica.net/reportage/indicenav.htm[/url]
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BodyRocker, sorry to hear you had problems in Italy with hookers, IMHO, Italy is overrated for hookers, there are better places in Europe for this sort of thing. I find that Holland and Germany have better options as well as Denmark. Spain and France are also good and especially in France and Scandinavia, I don't think an Asian person will have any problems. BTW, some Italian prostitute turned you down, and if you think it's a big deal, there's actually worse discrimination in the East against foreigners, just look at India and Parkistan, I've heard of westerners and Christians not just being given attitude but being attacked physically. Small incidents like the one you had can happen anywhere. I too have been turned down once in a while its really no big deal. I am of South American origin. Don't judge Italy because of some small incident, Italy is an extremely tolerant society.
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Ambroes,
It seems that you know the city very well. I will be in Milano in early August. Can you suggest a reasonable hotel that is close to the areas where girls can be found?
Thank you.
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Hi IT_Stallion,
I don't know the hotels in Milan "as a turist" .... well in that part of Milan you can find hundreds of more or less expensive hotels. Some of them (* to ***) are good only to go there with a nice chick .... some others are of good quality (*** to *****)!
You have just to ask for a hotel near the central railstation (Milano centrale) or near "Loreto". That's all!
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Ambroes,
Thank you for the info. You have been very helpful in this forum.
Are there streetwalkers near the Central Station? Is it safe to walk to these areas from my hotel?
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IT_Stallion
Well, the SW have diminished dramatically in the last years, but northern from the central railway station there are some girls working. See simply what I described previously (viale Brianza is approx. 500m 1km /10min or one metro stop northern from the stazione). Regarding those actually I consider the best (working in viale Brianza / via Guinizzelli), well you saw what happened to BodyRockerForU........ You should keep a very "low profile" behaviour and not seem a suspect person!
There could be only one problem: Milan is a totally empty city in august (traditionally the main holiday period!) and some girls could decide to have some holiday too!
On the other hand, I noticed that sometimes you have a better choice (less customers, less concurrence!)....
Regarding the safety, although Milan is a big city and there could be some bad loocking people (drunk people, desperados from N. Africa, etc.) around the stazione centrale, it is a relatively safe city, no big problems. Maybe it's a good idea to keep documents, credit cards and money in separate places..... but only as a normal safety procedure if you go in a place you don't know!
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Hi CBGBConnisur,
Thanks for your concern. Yes I also agree
Holland and Germany are great places for
hunting. I am very fond of my Italian counterparts
with whom I do business and I am not at all
thinking from this incident that Italian society
is racist , it was a umpleasent thing to happen
but as Ambroes explained it could be due to
the internal problems of the hookers and
had nothing to do with racism . Next time when
I am in Milan ... I will succeed, of cource with the
help of our great hunter friends including Ambroes
who is contributing a great deal to this forum.
Good Luck CBGB and a Happy Hunting Dude :)
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IT_Stallion
reg. Hotels - Milan area, I guess the easiest way would be to drop by at a Motel, while I escorted some customers to their place I could see that some in the area of Liante Airport was supporting this kind of business (they did not give out rooms for overnight - so immagine.....)
happy hunt
oeztiboy
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A quick translation for Marchetto...
The Dalmine area is interesting (A4 highway, Dalmine exit)
At the first street light go straight (from Africa), on the left (European and Africans and trans, after few Km) , on the right (Europeans)
From 30€ (car) to 60€(hotel)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by marchetto_b77
[i]Interessante l'area di Dalmine (autostrada A4 uscita Dalmine) al semaforo sia dritti (africane) a sinistra (bianche/africane e trans dopo qualche km) e a destra (bianche).
Costo dai 30€ in auto ai 60€ in albergo [/i][/QUOTE]
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Hi Ambroes,
is there some update on viale Brianza area after the summer? I'll go to Milano next week and wanted to know if the information on the forum, a bit old, still valid.
Cheers