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[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]
So why the hell is there so much concern about what a few guys spend on the girls?
Evil[/QUOTE]
Actually it doesn't even matter to them. Case in point, I was spending about the same as every other average person here, but they still get angry just by the mention of having enough money to do whatever I wanted.
So I am going to go a different direction with this and give some info/advice. I have come to believe that overpaying IS actually in our best interest. So I'm going to suggest that we do "overpay". As I mentioned before, all theory and hypotheticals aside, I have succeeded many times in getting preferential treatment this way, and so I highly recommend it. A few dollars can go a long way, and to the points made about it sometimes being a waste, well, my counterpoint there is simple - it's a few f'ing dollars! So even if it only works 1 in 5 times (a huge stretch, because it works almost all the time), it's totally worth it.
So, I'm gonna adopt this new philosophy and encourage others to do the same. Let's pay 25% to 100% above the market rate, and let's report our results! I realize this will enrage some people here, but it's useful info and I'm not gonna hold onto it for the sake of being P.C. After all, the whole point of this forum is to share useful info.
-B-
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Bar closures
I was wondering what everyone thought about the early bar closures over the past week.
I was told that police from Bangkok came down to enforce a 3am closure for all bars.
It really put a damper on things - especially if you like to stay out late. It only was to last 10 days and may be over now.
Too bad - a stupid thing to do when the economy is bad.
Perhaps it is better in the Phillipines.
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Over Paying
I think it comes down to 2 type of people here.
The Newbies or the ones that come down once every couple of years. If they see someone they really want, I think they would pay whatever price they can to get the girl because they will not have that chance again (at least not for a long time). So it is worth paying over the market price to get her.
Then we have the regulars. These are the people that lives in Thailand or the ones that are lucky enough to make the trip a few times per year. These guys will pay the market price. If they miss the perfect girl due to her asking price, they just figure that they will find another one next week or month. It doesn't matter to them since they will be back soon anyway.
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[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]others splurge on steak and lobster for 5,000 baht . . . and . . . 50,000 for a bespoke suit from a Zegna-certified tailor.[/QUOTE]So these are the thoughtless mongers who have been driving up food and clothing prices for the rest of us!
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Mr. Enternational,
That is great, mongering with your Dad, that is priceless! I remember my late Dad taking me to Hong Kong when I was 16, in the 60'S to break my cherry!
You need to change you name.... Mr. Enternational Jr.
LBM
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Bonzo1,
Since 8-21-09, when I made my first post regarding your exchange with another poster Kim W, I have since made around 5 more posting so I might be view as the one carrying the torch for others regarding the topic of overpaying!
I want to make it very clear and if others read my post since 8-21-09 I have said over and over again that I didn't have a problem with you or others overpaying. So I want to separate myself from the others regarding this subject! My problem is other issue that have arised from this topic and I have given a few example as to my exact position.
Your recent post, gives me the impression that it was directly personally to me. If I'm wrong DON'T RESPONSE FURTHER, IF IT WAS DIRECTED AT ME I WOULD APPRECIATE AND SO WILL OTHER MAKE IT DIRECTLY TO ME ON THE EXPAT FORUM IN ANY THREAD WITHIN.
LBM
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Then the light skinned one pulled her panties down and let me fuck her from the back to the music. Everybody was watching. Security kept coming by and I thought we were going to get in trouble.[/QUOTE]Really?
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1 photos
The picture is the response I got when I asked a Pattaya coyote dancer what she would say to guys who tried to underpay her.
Evil
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[QUOTE=Csun213]I think it comes down to 2 type of people here.
The Newbies or the ones that come down once every couple of years. If they see someone they really want, I think they would pay whatever price they can to get the girl because they will not have that chance again (at least not for a long time). So it is worth paying over the market price to get her.
Then we have the regulars. These are the people that lives in Thailand or the ones that are lucky enough to make the trip a few times per year. These guys will pay the market price. If they miss the perfect girl due to her asking price, they just figure that they will find another one next week or month. It doesn't matter to them since they will be back soon anyway.[/QUOTE]
Consider too, that viagra is now on the market and older guys with cash, who couldn't bang before are now doing so at ease and will pay higher prices to get the hotties to go with them. The market is just more competitive now.
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[QUOTE=Bonzo1]Actually it doesn't even matter to them. Case in point, I was spending about the same as every other average person here, but they still get angry just by the mention of having enough money to do whatever I wanted.
So I am going to go a different direction with this and give some info/advice. I have come to believe that overpaying IS actually in our best interest. So I'm going to suggest that we do "overpay". As I mentioned before, all theory and hypotheticals aside, I have succeeded many times in getting preferential treatment this way, and so I highly recommend it. A few dollars can go a long way, and to the points made about it sometimes being a waste, well, my counterpoint there is simple - it's a few f'ing dollars! So even if it only works 1 in 5 times (a huge stretch, because it works almost all the time), it's totally worth it.
So, I'm gonna adopt this new philosophy and encourage others to do the same. Let's pay 25% to 100% above the market rate, and let's report our results! I realize this will enrage some people here, but it's useful info and I'm not gonna hold onto it for the sake of being P.C. After all, the whole point of this forum is to share useful info.
-B-[/QUOTE]Just go ahead and overpay like many other rather 'stupid' guys. I just have a nice girl, who is getting huge amounts of money sent every month by a young crazy US-guy, got a new car (she is driving me around. Hehe) and soon a new house. (after staying with her just 2 weeks! ). She is even talking on the phone wtih him when she is staying in my bed. Laughing about the 'dingdong-guy'. I am 15 years older than him and she is staying with me for 'peanuts'.
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[QUOTE=Tom Mabuhay]Just go ahead and overpay like many other rather 'stupid' guys. I just have a nice girl, who is getting huge amounts of money sent every month by a young crazy US-guy, got a new car (she is driving me around. Hehe) and soon a new house. (after staying with her just 2 weeks! ). She is even talking on the phone wtih him when she is staying in my bed. Laughing about the 'dingdong-guy'. I am 15 years older than him and she is staying with me for 'peanuts'.[/QUOTE
Tom Mabuhay,
Your comments are very valid, but there is really no direct relationship as to what Bonzo1 and others posters like myself have been commenting on! Your remarks are rather Long Term vs. Short Term.
LBM
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Ambition
[QUOTE=Betong]Might this just be an indication that your price/performance expectations are out of whack with today's market?[/QUOTE]
Yes.
But the most important thing to remember is that [i]increasing the price never increases performance.[/i]
[QUOTE=Bionicman]
Come on guys, get a life! Thailand is so damn cheap that a few bucks more will not ruin your life, let's be honest![/QUOTE]
Alas, not so, Bionicman. For those of us who live here, 500 baht is a big deal. The majority of white foreigners who work in Thailand make around 30-40K/month.
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[QUOTE=Tom Mabuhay]Just go ahead and overpay like many other rather 'stupid' guys. I just have a nice girl, who is getting huge amounts of money sent every month by a young crazy US-guy, got a new car (she is driving me around. Hehe) and soon a new house. (after staying with her just 2 weeks! ). She is even talking on the phone wtih him when she is staying in my bed. Laughing about the 'dingdong-guy'. I am 15 years older than him and she is staying with me for 'peanuts'.[/QUOTE]
Happens all the time! This is nothing new. They play as many angles as they can. They're Thai!
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[QUOTE=Opebo]
Alas, not so, Bionicman. For those of us who live here, 500 baht is a big deal. The majority of white foreigners who work in Thailand make around 30-40K/month.[/QUOTE]
500 baht is a big deal for lots of thais too.
The sad thing also, is that Thai guys are overpaying too. Just have a look at the upper market prices, it's astounding!
This region of the world has prospered way too much and, tourists haven't helped prices by spoiling the Thais!
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price to performances
[QUOTE=Opebo]Yes.
But the most important thing to remember is that [i]increasing the price never increases performance.[/i]
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People often say this as if it is some kind of truism, but I think it works more like this: Paying more CAN (not always does, but can) create, for lack of a better word, loyalty or preferential treatment. For example, in China I often pay 1000 whereas most others haggle over a couple hundred RMB (usually paying around 700 to 800). Those girls specifically tell me they will go with me on call, anytime, and they do - whereas when they see the other guys that haggled they will avoid them unless/until they can't find me or someone else to pay them more.
There are about half a dozen girls in Bangkok that send me emails and text messages when I'm in China. When I land in Bangkok they will come right away, on demand.
It's great when I'm sitting around at home and message a girl and know she will come right over. That's worth the extra $20 or $30 or whatever to me. Heck, I pay much more of a premium than that in food delivery service each week :)
This is not theory - it's real experience. Since I have both overpaid and haggled, hundreds of times each, I have the experience to comment on this. I will caveat, however, that not all of this may be strictly due to overpaying...sometimes it's just not being cheap on other little things (giving the girl a drink from your hotel mini bar, or even just being generally decent to her). But I'm not going to deny that by far the biggest part of the reason is the overpay. And again, when that's a measly $20, and I value the service a lot more than that, it's simply in my best interest to do so.
And the girls tend to perform a bit better over time too in some ways. For example, they don't tend to want to bolt at strange hours and will pretty much stay with me for as long as I want and for as many pops as I want.
Personally, I have never grossly overpaid (sent allowances, paid for house or cars, etc.), but I agree that sounds like a pretty silly idea...though I'm sure people who do it have their reasons and it does something for them. And as I said, it is REALLY GOOD for the overall market, because it creates the aura that it's possible which attracts girls and probably improves performance as well.
On the other hand, I think there's some judgment call involved. There are times when I realize i'm not going to repeat, and those times I try to get the market price and stick there. Those include a lot of the massage places, short-time bars, and other "automatic"/establishment-type places. Performances there can often also be more perfunctory.
Anyway, so my advice is that if you want to make the girl a regular, overpay her 25% to 100% and you'll create some loyal service providers and get rid of some of the competition over those specific girls (ie not affect the market in general, but rather the micro-market that you care about).
An interesting thing in Thailand, however, is that there are a lot of girls that actually have their own preferences and will participate actively in the choosing process. Especially (it seemed to me) in Pattaya (in the discos). Therefore, if you are young and handsome you might naturally be able to pay less for a better looking girl than an older guy would. On the other hand, if you are an older guy (assuming average looking), you might be able to get any girl you want by offering a relatively small premium while the younger guys jerk her around over 500 or 1000 baht.
Cheers,
-B-