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Good Post
Migrant
That is a good post and a much better and informative one than many in the HIV sections. However, there are other variables involved. And those variables never show up in "The (mis)truth about Aids" etc sections where hard line libertarians preach their bs propaganda.
There are also ongoing comments that streetwalkers are riskier than others etc etc. Again, Seydlitz or Gladiator posted on taking a "College kid" who looked really glamerous until she opened her mouth and revealed herself to be an Isaan peasant. All of these women are high risk and the more fucking they do, the riskier they are. Go go girls are probably the riskiest of all. (I exclude glue sniffers etc). To claim the Thai sector is riskier is to claim Thais have a death wish we do not share.
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Home
How many of you guys live here in Chiang Mai? (Should you care to admit to it).
I'm based here but spend only two weeks per month here, rest of the time in Bangkok, and other parts of the country. Plus frequent visits to Laos and other surrounding countries for my every-ninety-day visa-holidays.
Moving down to Bangkok next year as I spend so much time there that I may as well buy a nice Sukhumvit apartment and be based there instead.
Okay, so own up, who else lives here?
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Domino
why do you believe that Gogo girls are probably the riskiest of all ?
I don't see a reason why a bargirl should carry a lower risk. Best way to approach this problem is to avoid to think in (misleading) categories. For me each and every P4P girl carries the same risk. We never know what a girl has done before, maybe your freelancer used to work in a Gogo or in a MP during daytime, but being a freelancer at night you think she carries a lower risk, this doesn't make sense to me. Also do not forget, that the girls in a MP have a much higher frequency of different customers. There is only one way to protect yourself and others, NEVER EVER go bareback.
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Bath house
I am just back in Bangkok from 3 nights in Chiang Mai.
Nice cool weather at night and not too hot in the day.
Went for a bath at a place i believe was called Sayura. someone correct me if i am wrong. Here is what happened. The girl was decent looking with light skin and kind of a goofy face on a hot body including a bubble butt which is rare in Thailand. Her number was 106 behind the fish bowl. The rate was 2000B for 1 1/2 hour. The room was small and dark and the bathtub was small. The soapy body massage was O.k.
I got a CBJ and then i went to bang her and within 30 seconds she was screaming mercy for pain. I then proceeded to wrestling on the bed without much success for it became apparent that she was not going to let me fuck her. Also she had insisted on changing the condom after the BJ which seemed obvious that she was not very smart. Like her spit was going to be dirty for her snatch. She did finish me off with a CBJ. To my suprise when i met my buddy afterwards he told me he got the same treatment from the girl he had and did not cum. The place has a karoke bar as
well and i am not sure if any satifactory results come out of that place but the girls waiting to be picked for sing a song looked good. Also i believe a good map will come in handy as the tuk tuk drivers will take you to a destination even if they do not know where it is then driving in circles until you depart for a further search on foot.
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Globotto
[QUOTE=Globotto]
Went for a bath at a place I believe was called Sayura, someone correct me if I am wrong.[/QUOTE]Almost, it is called Sayuri.
Have never heard of any bad experiences similar to yours and I know a lot of their regular customers.
Perhaps she was new.
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[QUOTE=Coma Boy]How many of you guys live here in Chiang Mai? (Should you care to admit to it).
I'm based here but spend only two weeks per month here, rest of the time in Bangkok, and other parts of the country. Plus frequent visits to Laos and other surrounding countries for my every-ninety-day visa-holidays.
Moving down to Bangkok next year as I spend so much time there that I may as well buy a nice Sukhumvit apartment and be based there instead.
Okay, so own up, who else lives here?[/QUOTE]Me!
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Globotto, the usual price for Sayuri is in the 800-1500 baht range -- if you took a tuk tuk there you contributed to the driver.
I never had any problem with girls there when it comes to sex, so I'd say you and your friend either had unusually bad luck or got scammed.
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[QUOTE=Philo]Back again from LOS (sometimes that S must mean Sad things, or am I going soft-core?).
I liked CM, and had quite a few good moments there. Here's my MP-research (map is B&B City Streets Chiang Mai, around 165B):
Sayuri
Best in town. Good girls, nice management, first girls arrives around 2 p.m., asians in the front-of-fishbowl-sofas from around 3 p.m. Prices: 800B a wash-n-boom, 950B bodymassage (B-badges) and 1200B for superstar (M-badges). Rooms little bit worn, but you can have VIP-rom for a few reds... 50-100 motorbikes (=girls) from 5-7 p.m. Location: Bumrung Rat (Rajd) Soi 2 (Map: D10 exactly where map says 'BR 2').
The first time I went I said 'railway station' to the taxi-driver and belled him to stop at the junction of Bumrung Rat and Charoen Muang and walked from there (5 min.). Later I used 'Thanon Bumrung Raad Soi Soong' and walked the few last meters. In spite of dealing with 4-5 different 'mangager-sans' I was never asked for a baht more than mentioned over. My favourite......
New Nancy
OK place. 1300B for wash-n-boom (red badges), 1500B for bodymassage (blue badges). Worn rooms. Never saw many girls, but the ones I had was nice... Walking distance (5 min. from Tha Pae Gate). Located in Chiang Mai President Hotel (Map: C8, map says 'President').
Pandora
Hugh place. One time I saw 50-80 girls18-23. 1 h wash-n-boom 1110B (tax you now.......), 1.5 h 1440B. Rooms worn-out and dirty (I think my sheets was used before.....why do I care, the girl was probably so too?).
Map: E11, place not marked. Head for railway station, when you have passed Bumrung Rat start looking for big Shell-station on your right. Get of there. 10 m. further down, on the other side of Charoen Muang, there is a soi between a light green colored house and a pool/snooker joint. Walk this soi some 300 m. to a big white/gold roman-empire inspired right-hand-side building. You're home ...
Phucome
Big place, but never saw much of it. Went early (2 p.m.) Got a wash-n-boom for 1000B. Map B3 marked 'CM Phucome'. Take taxi to Phucome Hotel entrance. Pass the Trad. Mass. place (don't try to mention boom-boom there - I had to pay grandma a red and bow myself out backwards....) to your left and head for the parking area underneath the building. You'll see the neon signs.
Ping Payom
Got info from local thai. He said B800. Went tuk-tuk, left the place, returned walking 10 min. later. Ended up paying 1500B for bodymassage (thinking 800B was for wash-n-boom only). Good girls, but no matress for BM. Told manager, he admitted commision but had his own definition on BM: girl touch you with hand = BM. Ended up I should only pay 950B next time. If you are hard-core you will get it for 800B.
Best room in town: clean, delicate and discretely decorated (must be designed by a european reborn thai ....).
Map: D3, place not marked. Take taxi to junction Suthep/Nimmanhemin. Continue westwards on left side of Suthep to the first soi (may be a 100 m.). The MP has its entrance from the parking area inside/behind Ping Payom Hotel. Insist on 800B (unless the nice room is very important to you) ..........
philo
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There has been several questions on the 'raan ab ob nuad's of CM. As these tourists are too 'keekiat' to read old posts - this one is hereby recycled ...
ph
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[QUOTE=Domino]Migrant
To claim the Thai sector is riskier is to claim Thais have a death wish we do not share.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I agree the risks are everywhere. I hate condoms, but other than BJ, would always use them. The lady in Central America and I got tested as a step in getting her a visa.
At 48, with all the inroads that medicine has done in extending the HIV+ lives, I guess that if I ever got it, despite my cautions, I would still have 20 years (I'm in decent shape and health) but I will continue to take my precautions because I do not want to be HIV+ and take a chance I might pass it on.
I still sometimes think of the CA lady and if I was in a position to move there, who knows??
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HIV Risks
Although it is a crap shoot, the odds have to be worse where women are made have sex. While all Thai skanks begin with the same risk profiles, in so far as go go skanks have to fuck all comers, they are, imho, at greater risk. Ditto all women lacking control for institutional or other reasons.
The problem with the HIV debate is it has been hijacked by libertarians and all kinds of parasites with their own self serving tales to spin. The scandal only first hit the headlines because of America's gays and they, quite naturally, followed their own self serving agenda.
The older skank I bonked from Thermae said she had a friend working out of there who was HIV+. Some, like the glue sniffers of Nakhon Si T I ran into are obvious disease and security risks. Others are less so. To imagine that uneducated over bonked go go skanks are somehow intrinsically cleaner than those who do not work in those fucky fucky hot houses is not very logical. But then again, the libertarans have spent about 20 years now muddying the waters on this one.
Also, it is not a question of one group being a lower risk. It is a quesiton of the other being a higher risk. Not semantic at all. The initial problem was that the US gays distracted the studies at the outset because they were the first, vocal, articulate group to be whacked. The debate has been skewed ever since.
To believe that the HIV rates in Thailand and Uganda have fallen is to believe in bs. The risks are real and unavoidable. And the same goes for hepatitis and lots of other nasties, some of which John Skinless and others got.
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From Pattaya Mail
psychological perspectives: misinformation about hiv/aids persists
by michael catalanello, ph.d.
scientists first identified the virus which causes aids in 1984. since that time, despite an explosion in our knowledge and understanding of the disease and campaigns to disseminate accurate and qualitative information, many patently false and misleading ideas concerning hiv/aids ideas continue to circulate.
such misinformation is not confined to the poor and ignorant. last week a report issued by u.s. congressional representative henry waxman revealed that programs funded by the u.s. government are guilty of disseminating faulty information pertaining to the transmission of sexually transmitted diseases, among other issues.
these erroneous ideas often contribute to stigma, discrimination, and unnecessary suffering of people living with hiv/aids, their families, caregivers, and others. furthermore, experts tell us that ignorance and misinformation help promote the spread of the epidemic. here is a small sampling of some of the myths concerning hiv/aids that permeate our society:
hiv/aids is primarily a disease of the gay community
because aids first appeared among gay men in the united states, early speculations associated disease transmission with activities that are peculiar to homosexual men. already existing negative stereotypes against gays were further reinforced by these suggestions. before long, however, hiv/aids gained a foothold within the heterosexual population where it continues its relentless spread. it is now clear that it is primarily unprotected sex and the sharing of needles by iv drug users that transmits the virus. the sexual orientation of those engaging in such behaviors is irrelevant.
you can tell if a person has hiv/aids by looking at him/her
this one persists, despite longstanding efforts by aids activists and educators to debunk it. there is, in fact, no way to tell if a person has the virus simply by looking at him/her. we now have a medical test designed to detect the antibodies produced by the immune system after exposure to hiv. even hiv antibody tests, however, can yield false negative results if the person was recently infected. medical authorities tell us it may take as long as three months for antibodies to develop to a level where they can be detected in the blood. thus, a person can look healthy and test negative while carrying the virus in his bloodstream.
you can get hiv/aids from using drugs
the use and abuse of illicit drugs is a serious problem for many people. the use of such drugs, however, can not in itself cause hiv infection or aids. those who inject drugs using needles which were previously used by a person who is hiv+ stand a high risk of becoming infected. this is because the used needle might contain small residues of blood too small to be seen, but containing enough virus to transmit the infection. it is the sharing of needles, not drug use, which puts the person at risk.
condoms are
unreliable in
preventing the transmission of hiv
it is quite clear that condoms provide the most effective means of avoiding infection through sexual intercourse. the national campaign promoting condom use by the thai government in the early ‘90s is widely credited with dramatically reducing infection rates, making thailand a model for hiv prevention. the major risk in using a condom occurs in the event that the condom slips off or breaks. for this reason, it is usually recommended that a water-based lubricant, like ky jelly be used with condoms to further enhance the protection they offer.
if i stick to one partner i can’t become infected
if you are hiv- and if you remain faithful to one sex partner, and if your partner is also hiv- and if that partner remains faithful to you, you are safe. that’s a lot of “ifs,” and it is becoming more common for a faithful wife, who erroneously assumes her husband’s faithfulness, to become infected by her husband.
you can contract hiv from the body fluids of an infected person, including sweat, tears, and saliva. you can contract hiv by kissing an
infected person.
this one most likely started when it was publicized that the virus is found in human body fluids. fortunately, the concentration of virus in sweat, tears, and saliva is not sufficient to cause the infection of someone coming in contact with them. blood, seminal fluids, vaginal secretions and breast milk, however, do carry sufficient concentrations capable of transmitting infection. these fluids then must find a route into the bloodstream of another person in order for infection to occur.dr. catalanello is a licensed psychologist in his home state of louisiana, usa. he is a member of the faculty of liberal arts at asian university, chonburi. address questions and comments to him at [email]mrep001@asianust.ac.th[/email]
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Hiv
Duni: Interesting article. One of the main problems, as I see it, was that HIV got initial exposure in the USA and gays and liberatarians had to spin the tale to suit their own agendas. A huge industry then began with libertarians getting grants to "measure" the infection rate of group A against group B. This meant they had to look for things to measure, such as circumcision, a handy thing in the States where a lot of guys are cut. BUt totally meaningless, as are all fgigures from Africa and, I would wager, most N Thailand HIV figures, and all indications that "safe sex" (sic) is on the rise.
A better starting point would have been Japan (or S Korea) with negligible circumcision rates and negligible HIV rates and then trying to figure out why the rates were higher with gays, skanks, Africans, Thais etc. I would imagine that Viagra etc break down the resistances the same way the stuff the gay guys do.
The gay guys also do some freaky stuff like fisting. And their fuck rates were incredibile. Either a great diet or a break down in immune systems..
I cannot see any good figures emerging on using Thai skanks as 1. no one really cares (look how few hits the "safe sex" sections get; 2, as a political problem, HIV has been solved; 3. too much money at it the way it is. Shit, some guys here even say they would not mind too much if they contracted it.
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Must we have all this HIV talk in the Chiang Mai thread?
Please, please move it to the relevant section.
It's giving CM a bad name!
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Hiv
Domino
Point well taken. The transfer rate is the highest where un-protected sex is the norm, such as the truck drivers in India. BTW, India is on the road to become the largest HIV affected country.
Viagra does not break down resistance, but if one has anal sex the transmission rate is very high since the skin inside breaks easily and becomes the conduit to the virus. So the more V one takes, the longer the session, and more chance to contract the disease.
HIV is probably not on the rise in BKK/Pattaya scene but in Northern Thailand the lack of education, is contributing more. However, the complacency of certain mongers just scares the hell out of me. They think that now there are medicines available, it's just another STD which can be cured. They need to know the virus is mutating and there are now quite a few number of strains and not all of them have medicines available.
Time to move this topic off to the Safe Sex section.
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Hiv
Domino
Point well taken. The transfer rate is the highest where un-protected sex is the norm, such as the truck drivers in India. BTW, India is on the road to become the largest HIV affected country.
Viagra does not break down resistance, but if one has anal sex the transmission rate is very high since the skin inside breaks easily and becomes the conduit to the virus. So the more V one takes, the longer the session, and more chance to contract the disease.
HIV is probably not on the rise in BKK/Pattaya scene but in Northern Thailand the lack of education, is contributing more. However, the complacency of certain mongers just scares the hell out of me. They think that now there are medicines available, it's just another STD which can be cured. They need to know the virus is mutating and there are now quite a few number of strains and not all of them have medicines available.
Time to move this topic off to the Safe Sex section.