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A few points to clarify and reinforce: I've never met an Ukrainian girl who doesn't speak English or at least tries to communicate in English,so never ever spoil their chance to be inspired by you by speaking Russian as it would make you very ordinary! Just save your few words for the sake of laughter and warming up the air.
The time Ukraine will remove visa requirements for the western world will never come unfortunately, as the visas for Ukrainian citizens for those countries are on auction??
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Vegamars,
I've met lots of Ukrainian girls who don't speak English, but let's not start that again.
Maybe you can help me on something else...been to Yalta? Worth going to? Not interested in "working girls" per se, but is there a university there or students? I want to attend a Russian language course for a week in some out of the way place and found something in Yalta.
If you can give any honest insight on Yalta (please don't make it sound better than it is, if it sucks compared to other places, tell me!), I'd appreciate it, thanks!
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the only university i've found in krim is in simferopol. lots of girls there, my dental school blond asya and her sister go there. i think there is more though, like some big technical schools in sevastopol, and maybe a pedagogical university also. no, thats not for ****s, you pervos! its for teachers, and they are hot!! usually 15 or 20 girls to 1 or 2 guys in those classes. sorry, never heard of anything but hotels in yalta. all the girls i know go to alushta, which is cheaper, about 30 minutes down the coast road.
asya. pic is grainy, i forgot to switch camera to night-shot, sorry. 21 years old, about 5'1", incredibly sweet girl.
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Doc,
I agree with you about Ukrainian girls. Most don't know more than 10 words of English and what words they do know are useless. I really do wonder what other Ukraine Vegamars must be visiting because it does not relate to my reality and I am here full time.
The big question about Yalta and language course is when do you want to go? I have been there but I would not suggest winter as the time to visit. Yalta by itself is fine but the real treat is the surrounding countryside which is truly spectacular and worth visiting.
Right now, with the cold and the early darkness the area is almost a ghost town but is dirt cheap in terms of accommodations and anything else you may care to try, if you can find it.
During the summer months it is overrun with Muscovites making it almost unbearable.
The best time to go is either in May/early June or in September/early October. Most of the summer tourists have not yet arrived or have gone, the rates for hotels and other needs are slightly lower, and weather should be great. There is a lot to see and do in Crimea so a week at school would be fine but not if you are in class all day.
What is available for entertainment is plentiful at that time of the year, depends on what your interests are, from the ladies to the beaches to the mountains, wineries, czarist palaces, and much more. The choices are there.
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Uke Boy and MM,
Thanks for the info. I'm planning on going to Yalta in late May and attending a school with half day language classes, allowing me to practice on the local population at night. There are a couple of schools in the internet. Any info on apartments anybody may have out there is appreciated. Sorry I posted in the Kiev section, "other areas" would have been more appropriate.
Take it easy all, wish you a Happy New Year and happy hunting!
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Yalta is just a place of touristic trap for those who are not capable of enough knowledge of Ukraine.Hotel rates for instance can be incredible during busy periods.Crimea region is really full of very interesting historical small cities with universities,but a more attractive place would be Donetsk or Lugansk on the eastern border.
Knowledge and skill of language as well as other capabilities are closely related with high quality.
The face of other Ukraine is centered around real life,but it's not worth trying to mention what it is all about unless you feel the light and perspective.
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Sexymilk,
I checked on travelocity and found flights from Miami to Kiev for just under $600. it stops in Germany if you take Luthansa, KLM also has the same flight and price. don't put a date in and the site will give you the best prices and you choose dates which exclude travel on Fri Sat Sun & Monday, so if you schedule is flexible it works. Depends on where your flying from.
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I need to let you all know about one of the great places in Kiev, Rest Town.
Word has it that this "club," once the best place in terms of both price and quality for meeting local ladies at all hours of the day and night has now radically changed and not for the better, unfortunately.
It seems that Rest Town has now come under the control of new management. Many of the girls are either very unhappy or have been fired. There also seem to be more visits and inspections from the police and other officials, also a very bad sign. There are some observations that police are stopping cars and taxis leaving Rest Town and "inspecting" passengers for "documents" and "fining" them. Very unpleasant.
There has also been reconstruction done that has taken out the rooms you could take the girls to that had been part of Rest Town's attractions.
I was told this by some friends who recently had been there and had been unpleasantly surprised. I do not know if any of you have been there recently as well but perhaps you could add some information on this very important issue. If indeed Rest Town has gone bad, that would be a great loss.
I would suggest staying away until more information becomes available.
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This is very bad news. I was in Rest Town this past May when I was in Kiev. I was hopeing that would have been my first stop after I arrived Tuesday afternoon. Has anyone else news of this.
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I've been lurking around for a while, thinking about making a trip to the Ukraine, and I would like to ask a few questions.
Originally, I had considered visting last Fall, but was prevented by work, so I figured my trip would be delayed until sometime in the upcoming Spring/Summer months. As luck would have it, I find myself laid off w/ severence, and with plenty of time to visit.
1st question, Visas: I had heard somewhere, mabe here, that a visit from a U.S. or EU citizen of 8 days or less did not require a visa. Can anyone confirm this, or if I want to stay, say 9 -14 days, how long can I expect a visa to take, provided I'm close enough to deliver the application, and accept the approved visa personally.
2nd question, timing: I realize that Febuary isn't the ideal time to visit, and I'm sure that if I did, I might miss out on many things the country can offer due to weather. Under my circumstances, I can accept this, but my real question, for those of you who know is, will I, because of the season/weather, be missing out on the attractions that this board was created to discuss?
3rd question, language: I've read the posts regarding language, but I would be travelling alone. Once I make the decision to go, I will study Russian, but as an american I have almost no exposure to other languages, and am therefore a poor linguist, so my short study time couldn't be to helpful, especially since pronunciation takes longer to learn (for me). I will respectfully make attempts at Russian, but given that my visit will not be the tourist season, would this make my visit less welcome?
Lastly, I want to thank the board for all the useful information provided. If I make this trip, I will share my experience here. If I don't, I will share my experience when (not if) I make it.
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The changes in rest town are certainly a tragic turn of events. Can anyone recommend a good alternative brothel or salon in Kiev? I will be there at the end of January.
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Also can anyone advise as to whether the Dnipro Hotel is hooker friendly i.e can I bring girls back to the room at night with no hassles?
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Revollaro
Regarding the language issue, I really wouldn't worry about it too much.
Whichever country you visit in the world, things will be easier the more you can converse in that country's language. I would actually argue though that the two hardest places to go in the world without any knowledge of the local tongue are actually America and the UK. In a huge number of other countries you will find that even with a minimal tourist infrastructure you will meet enough people who speak English to make your trip reasonably easy even if you don't speak much or any of the local tongue. This is part of the problem though and why so many people in the USA/UK don't really bother learning another language.
Kiev isn't particularly well set up for tourists yet, but you'll find more than enough people who speak sufficient English, especially many of the girls you might be interested in meeting (it seemed to me that far more girls knew some English than the men). As I recall, at places like River Palace (where nearly all the ladies will speak some English) and Moda Bar (not as many, but quite a large % of the ladies speak English) you won't have any problems. These places aside, at several of the other bars I went to I met at least a few girls who spoke varying degrees of English. As far as meeting girls whilst just wandering around, it's pot luck - some will, some won't; just be persistent and keep trying your luck.
This said, the more Russian you can pick up the more options you'll have and the easier your trip will be. With limited time, I would personally focus on the basics rather than diving straight into chat up lines - even if you can learn just enough to be confident to go into any bar/restaurant to order drinks/food and to confidently ask where you want to go in a taxi and negotiate a price, this will make life a lot simpler and open up the number of places you'll feel confident visiting. With limited time I would also really reccomend becoming familiar with the alphabet, so you can read street signs.
Go with an adventurous attitude, a phrase book, a confident outlook and you'll have a riot.
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Revollaro
1st question, Visas: As I stated in an earlier message, if you come in for one hour or one year, you MUST have a visa. Get visa or the money spent will be lost completely lost since you will be turned back at the airport.
Go to http://www.ukremb.com/consular/visas.html which is the Ukrainian Embassy in the USA visa site. Spend some time there, the application is in PDF format and good luck. Don't let anyone on this board tell you otherwise than what is listed on that site.
2nd question, Timing: February, March and April are lousy. May through September are the best times. The ladies come out from under their fur coats and hats, and hit the ground running, so to speak. They then are out of doors displaying all their glory, some more so than others.
3rd question, Language: A few words and sincere attempts is better than none. That said, even without a few words, the ladies have no insincerity to them. Come any time you want, winter or summer. The ladies don't change, what they wear and how much they publicly show does. Otherwise, it is all the same.
Good luck.
Blake7,
Head for River Palace. You have the amateurs, semi-pros and pros all there. Otherwise, any bar or disco.
You can also try any of the strip clubs away from the hotels. They also have "private room" services but you can also take the girls away to your hotel or apartment from there as well. Rest Town is not the sole resource.
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Well with any luck, I should be in Kiev on Tuesday. I am not sure I will attempt Rest Town. I few things I had lined up have recently fell through. Such is life.
Is anyone currently in town. I will be there till the 23. Would be interested in a drink and a little hunting.
I hope to have as much fun as in the past.
Revollaro,
Please let me say when I first went to Kiev I had no language skills. I was still nice and polite, and had almost any I could want.
My skills have improved some but not the best. I still have fun though.