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[QUOTE=George Sims]First, I gather a few days in Pat and majority in BKK. One question i was worried about is which hotel is safe and not goin to steal my things while I am gone because I do plan to shop. So to make this more exact, I think around 2500 baht or less for a hotel should be fine.[/QUOTE]
Still not helping much as 2500 will get you about 100 different hotel rooms and even in the poor economy the thai's who work hotels are very honest in my opinion. Never am fearful about items in my room, this is not Manila trust me. Obviously don't be foolish but leaving 1,000's of USD worth of electronics out has never been an issue for me.
You really only gotta watch out for the girls you bring back and I've never pulled one that steals so blatantly. Free Lancers are your biggest risk but for the most part you short time them and usually even they are honest.
[QUOTE=George Sims]Also, Im assuming that all this action is not spread out in great distance, sounds like everythig is relatively close via taxi, am I right??[/QUOTE]
Most action is on the skytrain a few minutes you can even walk from 33 to 4. Again this is not Manila. Compacted in BKK. Pattaya is more spread out the BKK is.
Pattaya you got baht buses or trucks, BKK you got Sky Train (BTS) and then the underground train to take you to Soapies MRT....
Only time I'm in a taxi in BKK is getting from the airport or taking a girl back to the hotel. Usually I am on the MRT, BTS, or walking.
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[QUOTE=George Sims]Being that soapies and MPs are avail here in US i tend to enjoy the freelancers and go go bars.[/QUOTE]
Sorry forgot this part. You can not compare USA MP and Thai MP. That is applies and oranges. Being very nice here... you would be a fool not to try a thai MP. Pick one, eden, aviva, angeles, snow white, tulip, mango, etc... they all have unique experiences. But you can not say you have an MP's in the US. Trust me, venture to some MP's in Thailand.
[QUOTE=George Sims]I also like really small skinny younger girls (18 plus of coarse) so finding these girls or bars is important to me.[/QUOTE]
Um... Ok you described most the girls... You'll enjoy...
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[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]you would be a fool not to try a thai MP. Pick one, eden, aviva, angeles, snow white, tulip, mango, etc... they all have unique experiences. [/QUOTE]
Let me get in a little bit more detail than that:
[b]MASSAGE PARLORS :Traditional Thai Massage [/b]
Pricing
1 hour = 200 THB
2 hours = 400 THB
Basically all the Massage places in Thailand will offer this Type of Massage.
You do not get a private room for this type of massage, just a common room with mattresses on the floor separated by curtains.
This is my favorite massage, the technique will amaze you!! They make every bones and joints in your body Crack!
You need to wear a Pajamas for this Massage, they will provide one for you.
Unless you go to a Hotel’s spa, at the end of the Thai Massage, 99% of the Time the Masseuse will ask you if you want the “Special Massage”
Special massage in a Thai Massage place consists of a HJ (Hand Job) and if you’re lucky a CBJ (Covered Blow Job).
HJ Special is THB 500 and CBJ is THB 1,000.
The girl will stay clothed during the Whole Session
[b]MASSAGE PARLORS : Herbal Oil Massage[/b]
Pricing for Oil Massage:
1 hour = 400 THB
1.5 hours = 600 THB
2 hours = 800 THB
Pricing for Lotion Massage:
1 hour = 600 THB
1.5 hours = 800 THB
2 hours = 1000 THB
This is the carbon copy of what you call a Swedish Massage.
Except for the 5 star places, they will all use Baby Oil (which smells and is difficult to wash in the shower). Lotion Massage is an odorless body lotion that is very easy to clean and disappears in the shower once the massage is over.
Almost 100% of the Oil Massage Providers will offer you “Special Massage”
In about 75% of the Massage Places, Farangs will go there for the “Extras” (or Special Massage if you prefer). This is a little different than the Traditional Thai Massage Places.
For Traditional Thai Massage, the Providers are usually a little “Older” and you do not get to chose them.
In the case of Oil Massage, you are the one to chose your masseuse.
You can chose your girl “Live” by going to the Room where they all sit, or order from a Catalogue where you see all the Girls Pictures.
The Catalogue is for Japanese people, most of them would never walk in the room and face 20 girls (that’s 40 pairs of eyes staring at you)… they prefer to be discrete and look at the catalogue. The reason why looking at the catalogue is a bad idea is that all the girl’s pictures are heavily photoshoped. Best is to face them and see which ones you get vibes from (while some will smile and wave in your direction, others won’t even look at you).
Once you choose your girl, you can Order the time you want.
99% of the oil places will offer you a private room with in Room Shower
For this massage type, you need to take a shower in the Room prior and after the Massage.
Usually, the Girl comes in the shower with you and she washes you thoroughly (yes, she cleans you everywhere!) and then showers herself also.
Onto the bed she proceeds to massage you using the Oil, and for this massage, you are completely naked. After about 45 minutes of massage, she will ask if you want “Special Massage”.
Now this is different from Traditional Thai Massage, because you are in a private and Closed room, the Extras offered will be as Follows :
HJ Special is THB 500
CBJ or BBBJ is THB 1,000
FS is THB 1,500
(usually when you order FS, she will give you a BJ to start)
Once you “come”, the session is Over and back to the shower where she washes you again.
[b]MASSAGE PARLORS : Body Soapy Massage[/b]
Now this is a very different scheme as the 2 massage types outlined above. While most massage places that offer Thai Massage will offer you Oil Massage, the ones that offer Soapy only deal with Soapy.
Pricing:
Pricing is a little complicated as every place has its own. Some Places only cater to Thais, some only to Japanese and some only to Farangs (non Asians). Though, most places will accept Foreigners but apply a fee (called Farang surcharge) which can go from THB 500 to 1,500 above the Thai Price.
Cheapest you can find is THB 1,800 for 1.5 hours and could go up to THB 6,500 (for “Models” or Freelancers).
Soapy Massage (also Called MP by the Local Farangs) has a very easy modus operandi….
Just walk into the MP and wait for the Papasan to approach you… you have 2 options :
a) look at the Fishbowl first
The Fishbowl is called a Fishbowl because the Room where the Girls sit is all glass so you can see them from everywhere…. Pretty much like an aquarium.
In some places, the girls cannot see you and in other places, it’s just a glass and they can see who comes in and out.
b) All the ladies have a number that they keep until they quit working for the Place… so if you like a certain lady, remember her number and ask the Papasan next time you visit and she will have the same number. Better, Book in advance to make sure she is working that day, and/or not busy with another customer.
Some places have 2 or even 3 different fishbowl, which means that the prices are different per Fishbowl (every girl in one FB is at the same price)
So you can have a Fishbowl @ THB 1,800, another @ THB 2,200 and a third one @ THB 2,800 (the most expensive it gets, the better the girls will look)…. Some places even offer you “Models” that have made covers of magazines… but they are expensive and quite Frankly “Starfish”.
Also, you sometimes have girls wandering outside of the FB, hanging out on a sofa…. These are Freelancers, they do not work for the Massage place and are not professionals… they can be your average supermarket Cashier trying to get some quick cash… they pay a hefty commission to the MP if they are chosen and are usually also quite expensive and not very good in bed.
c) Choose the lady (or Ladies… remember, you are paying so you can have as many ladies as you want at the same time).
d) The Papasan will quote you a price… (now be wary of these fuckers… some will try to scam you… basically, anything on top of the regular price goes right into his pocket). Also, he will “recommend” you ladies… (“take #45, very good”….) but he only pushes girls that will give him a kickback on the “Extras” Money…
e) Soapys (or MPs) usually always include the same Routine :
a. You get a bath with the girl naked in the bathtub washing you
everywhere
b. You are guaranteed a BBBJ in the tub and 99% of the ladies will let
you “come” in their mouth
c. After the bath, you move on to the bed where you receive an oil
Massage
NB : Some places have an inflatable mattress and offer a Full Body to Body Soapy experience (meaning that the girl will soap herself and wash you again with her tits and pussy by sliding all over your body)
Not All places have inflatable mattresses as it is quite rare.
d. After the massage, the lady will proceed to another BBBJ and then
have sex with you
e. After sex, back in the bathtub and she washes you again before
you leave
f) You need to leave a “tip” to the lady before you leave, the tip is up to you but usually ladies will expect nothing less than THB 500 (unless you did not like the session then you don’t have to tip).
[b]BARS : Fantasy Bars : Blowjob Bars[/b]
There are quite a few of those in every main area of Thailand.
Like the name says, this is a bar where you can have a drink, and choose a lady for a BJ and you leave.
Pricing:
BJ = THB 700 to 1,000 (depending on the place)
This is a pretty straightforward bar (looks like any bar in Bkk) except that you need to be prepared before you walk in.
Ladies everywhere and all ready to give you a Blowjob anywhere… yes, you read correct, you can sit at the Bar counter and ask a girl to Blow you right there in front of everyone while you quietly sip on your Beer…
A lot of people like to be watched and/or watch others receiving a Blowjob (think of it as a “Live” porn amateur movie).
For the non-exhibitionist, they have areas with couches separated by a thick curtain to give you a little Privacy.
As there are no Showers, the lady will thoroughly clean you dick before putting it in her mouth..
The girls will give you a BBBJ until you come (technically you have 20 minutes to come) and after 15 minutes, she will look at you and ask “you come now?”
In these covered but not so private areas (you will see some people opening the curtains from time to time.. especially girls… some will also come and sit beside you to watch the other girls blow you… you can be offered FJ (whereas the lady will drop her panties and sit on you, she will slip a condom of course) FJ = Additional THB 500 to 1,000
You also have Private cubicles (real concrete walls and a locking Door) that cost Extra THB 300 to 500 but only for FJ.
That’s about all, as its name says, it’s a Blowjob Bar so you come in, order a Beer get sucked, deposit your load in the girl’s mouth, pay and go.
The ladies there are very good at giving Blowjobs but the older they are (experience) the deeper they go (great Deepthroat). Most young girls will not go very far down your dick… and if you ask them to suck deeper, they will complain that “Farang too Big, Mai Dai” (meaning that Foreigners are too big and she cannot Deepthroat)… which of course is bullshit.
You can take a lady out of the bar and bring her back to your hotel but you’ll have to pay a Barfine to the bar (usually THB 500 to 600).
[b]BARS : Fantasy Bars : Eden Club[/b]
Purely the Kinkiest club/Bar in Bangkok….
- Eden Club is not for everybody: Club specialized 1 guy and 2 ladies ( or more )
ABOUT THE MENU:
1 MAN WITH 2, OR MORE LADIES
If unsatisfied with service, no charge.
Special fantasies? Let Marc (the owner) know and he’ll make it happend
All bisexual ladies, dildo and strap on.
Just show the ladies what you like, and don't be shy, they've heard it all before.
Left side of the yellow line anal sex.
All the ladies provide oral sex.
90 min. sessions, unlimited sessions.
Per lady : 1800 Bht (US$45)
EVERYTHING INCLUDED
Example of a Basic Eden Experience :
- 2 Ladies
- 3 drinks
- Tips to the Ladies
All in All about THB 5,000 (US$ 125)
You choose 2 ladies yourself, even better, you choose one, and she chooses the other.
Uniforms on request (to please your Fantasies)
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thai/laos border
I'm considering staying with thai gf in laos where she works for 7-10 days on my next trip to Thailand in January, as a north american who gets a free 30 day tourist visa to Thailand on every trip, do I need an extra visa to come & go from Laos or is my passport good enough?
How much is this extra visa if I need 1?
All I know is that thais just have to pay a 40B passport stamp charge
I think the town on the thai side is called mudahan or something like that, is there any mongering activities during the day when the gf is at work & I'm in this town to kill time because GF says there's nothing to do in the Laos part where she lives.
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[QUOTE=George Sims]
So I guess a nice hotel that is close to freelance and go go bars and 2500 baht or less and safe. I am coming in at 1145pm so I would like to know where I am heading and know its safe.[/quote]
2,500 can get you a very nice hotel in BKK but (and I know I will get killed for saying this) as this is your first time I would suggest the Livingstone Lodge.
Yes, I am friends with its owner but it is not the reason why I am suggesting it to you.
For starters, as an ISG member, you will get a 20% discount, they have all day breakfast (in case you wake up late) and the food is great.
Now this is not the main reason why I recommend LL.
During your stay at LL, you can meet some fellow ISG members staying there, meet the owner (Giotto) and discuss all about the best places and best girls (you can't do that in other hotels).
Also, I really suggest you try these places: EDEN CLUB, SOL, Mango
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[QUOTE=George Sims]...So I guess a nice hotel that is close to freelance and go go bars and 2500 baht or less and safe. I am coming in at 1145pm so I would like to know where I am heading and know its safe...[/QUOTE]By the time you get to your hotel it will be late. You might want to call a massage shop and have a woman come to your room to give you a relaxing message and a nice "tuck-in" special. I've used Sabai Sabai Massage on Suk Soi 11 for this a few times when I've come in late (they're open 24 hours). They have some very nice providers especially for this type of service.
I second Nic's recommendation for LL. I've stayed there when in BKK for visits and it was great. It's very relaxed, doesn't feel like a hotel, the food is good, and there's friendly ladies in the Sport Bar. Lots of other options right out there on Soi 33 for massages, etc., too.
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[quote=george sims]first, i gather a few days in pat and majority in bkk. one question i was worried about is which hotel is safe and not goin to steal my things while i am gone because i do plan to shop. so to make this more exact, i think around 2500 baht or less for a hotel should be fine.[/quote]
one thing that people are losing sight of, where are you going first? you say you want to shop. for what? so you will go to bkk first, shop, then lug all your stuff to pat's??? kind of sounds backwards to me. and of course depending what you want to shop for it could be cheaper in pats then in bkk.
everyone here so far is talking about hotels and places in bkk. if you land at midnight, collect your bags get to pattaya you can be in full swing mode.
hotels are cheaper in pattaya then in bkk. bay walk, baron beach, ones off the street etc... i mention bay walk as they are right on beach road and 5 min walk to walking street. but there are tons of hotels in pattaya.
maybe you don't want to hit bkk first.
nicfrenchy gave you a great run down on options but did not list what the names of each type of massage joint is. i will bow to his expertise on listing out names to each type of place as i don't want to clutter his listing as it is a great listing.
i will only mention that if you are into bj bars then go to star of light in patpong (the only reason to go to patpong in my opinion) and sit down and get a bj right there on the couch, pull in a girl or two or so to help and suck on some nipples and such while the guy next to you or across the way is getting one also. you have [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] on soi 8 also for bj's and a few other places.
but you should decide if you want to run to pattaya first or bkk first. pattaya stays open later, there are late night places in bkk but pattaya pretty much slows down when the sun comes up for about 30 minutes then the day time trade starts to take over also.
so if you are arriving full of spit and vinegar... maybe you want to avoid bkk all together and hit pattaya first.
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[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]...The Catalogue is for Japanese people, most of them would never walk in the room and face 20 girls (that’s 40 pairs of eyes staring at you)…[/QUOTE]
Great and very informative report, NicFrenchy! But I prefer girls that have only one pair of eyes (= 2 eyes) usually! :D
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What I am looking for
First and foremost. Thanks. These last few posting sessions make me feel a little better about showing up on a wimb with no real agenda.
The only shopping I will be doing is for Fake purses for all the girlfriends and family back home, and maybe a few shirts for myself. Whatever I buy I will ship home so I don't have to lug it around, so no worries there.
Now, no one has offered up a beer session? Come on, I'm sure someone wouldn't mind meeting up for a beer. Haha
Anyhow, I think I'm going to try Dynasty or LL for a hotel. I know in Tijuanna I can ask the hotel to bring up some girls to my room and I choose which one I want. Someone mentioned a tuck in special. Will the front desk know of this?
I think I have a few bars in mind now too.
I have been on DIA and I will be honest. Only 2 or 3 responded back, where I tried this for Manila and I had about 44 replies and over a dozen numbers ready to be called and googly eyed girls all over town "falling in love" with me. Let me ask this. In comparison to PI is Bangkok similar? This is my feel, correct me if wrong.
When in PI there is tons of p4p but it seems the hotels have congo lines of fat old men there courting their new wives around. All the girls seem to fall in love and stare at you in hopes you will talk to them like desperate girls hoping the rock star will reach out and bring them back to the back stage of a concert.
Now when I read about BKK, I get the feeling its all sex. No flirting or girls that act or try to act like they like you. I enjoyed the whole girls desiring me thing and not paying only, because I banged about half on just meeting them and half on P4p. Is this the same in BKK or just pure p4p?
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[QUOTE=George Sims]I have been on DIA and I will be honest. Only 2 or 3 responded back, where I tried this for Manila and I had about 44 replies and over a dozen numbers ready to be called and googly eyed girls all over town "falling in love" with me. Let me ask this. In comparison to PI is Bangkok similar? This is my feel, correct me if wrong. because I banged about half on just meeting them and half on P4p. Is this the same in BKK or just pure p4p?[/QUOTE]
I monger in both and PI and Thai are opposites in MANY ways.
DIA is not big in Thai, getting non P4P to go with will be a chore where as in PI you walk out your hotel door and you got a girl in two minutes it seems like. PI you can pick up girls in malls, restaurants, anywhere for sex and a lot of time not pay for it. In BKK you'll pay for it and they will act any way you want them to act as long as you pay them.
Thai Love Links (pay for site) is bigger and you find P4P pretending to be non P4P on that site. But shoot man, for 10 days go rent it and leave it behind.
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[QUOTE=George Sims]Anyhow, I think I'm going to try Dynasty or LL for a hotel. [/QUOTE]
Seems like you are more into the free lance scene, if so Dynasty is closer to that. More closer to Beer Garden, Hillary's, Gullivers, and then NEP and such.
LL is on Soi 33 more of a hostess bar area. There's thread here called Giotto's Lodge and that is LL. You can ask your questions there about the place.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=754[/url]
The owner Giotto posts all over and his best friend The Pro posts all about it also.
Due to late arrival if you are hot to trot after landing your late night pick up will be around Sukhumvit road free lancers, some bars are open late but you'll be rushing.... or go to Pattaya first which stays open later and more options then BKK.
Fake bags cheaper in Pattaya then in BKK, shirts and tailors all over BKK and Pattaya from over priced to cheap and cheesy.
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[QUOTE=George Sims]...
I know in Tijuanna I can ask the hotel to bring up some girls to my room and I choose which one I want. Someone mentioned a tuck in special. Will the front desk know of this?
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[/QUOTE]George Sims,
No, neither the front desk nor anybody else here will do that. Livingstone's Lodge is a hotel, and within the hotel complex we are running restaurants and the Sports Lounge. If you are looking for a girl you either bring a girl in from wherever you find her, or you go to the Sports Lounge and possibly find somebody there. That's definitely something you have to take care of personally, we don't want to get involved into that.
Giotto
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[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]...
The owner Giotto posts all over and his best friend The Pro posts all about it also.
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[/QUOTE]LOL.
It's definitely time that I invite The Pro to show him around in our overpriced establishment :).
Giotto
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[QUOTE=Giotto]LOL.
It's definitely time that I invite The Pro to show him around in our overpriced establishment :).
Giotto[/QUOTE]
Bad Idea, I wouldn't want the Pro to like the place... he will be around at LL in case I come see you... I don't think I would like that :(
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[QUOTE=Member #3200]I'm considering staying with thai gf in laos where she works for 7-10 days on my next trip to Thailand in January, as a north american who gets a free 30 day tourist visa to Thailand on every trip, do I need an extra visa to come & go from Laos or is my passport good enough?
How much is this extra visa if I need 1?
All I know is that thais just have to pay a 40B passport stamp charge
I think the town on the thai side is called mudahan or something like that, is there any mongering activities during the day when the gf is at work & I'm in this town to kill time because GF says there's nothing to do in the Laos part where she lives.[/QUOTE]The place you are talking about is Mugdahan, it is 700kms north of Bangkok, there is a border crossing there it will cost you $20 US (just bring a couple of passport photos and your passport) if you forget your photos they will charge you another $10US.I have been there a number of times it is a great experience but i would advise 3 to 4 nights is enough.
As far as mongering is concerned i didnt get a chance as i had my Thai GF with me 24/7, i will say that in Mugdahan and over the border in Laos the p4p scene certainly isnt obviously visible.
Again, i think its a good experience heading up country, i last 3 to 4 nights before im ready to head back to Bangkok.