I've gotten great advice from the board, especially learning about Livingstone's Lodge. I'm planning my return trip for the first or second week next month. Any one else planning to be at Giotto's around the same time?
Pool Guy
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I've gotten great advice from the board, especially learning about Livingstone's Lodge. I'm planning my return trip for the first or second week next month. Any one else planning to be at Giotto's around the same time?
Pool Guy
[QUOTE=Pool Guy]I've gotten great advice from the board, especially learning about Livingstone's Lodge. I'm planning my return trip for the first or second week next month. Any one else planning to be at Giotto's around the same time?
Pool Guy[/QUOTE]
I am most likely in Livingstone's that time :) !
Giotto
I thought I would put my impressions on record of my fifth Bangkok visit. They may be useful to some, but useless to others. Get out it what you can.
A little about me so you can create your framework for the report. I am a 40 year old monger of independent means. I am not Bill Gates certainly, but I’m not on the bones of my arse either. I don’t like getting ripped off, but I am not going haggle with some poor Thai girl over 1000 Baht for anything. Christ they need it more than me. So if any response includes “You paid too much and are putting up the price for the rest of us”. My response will be “Stiff shit!”.
Flights – Fortunately I don’t have to pay for my airfares. However I still have to deal with getting from the airport to Suk by cab. My flight arrived at midnight on Monday. Regular readers of the forum will know that the best way to get a cab from the airport is to go upstairs to departures after getting your luggage instead of catching a cab from the booth at the front of arrivals. Just the time I need to get a cab quickly, the Tourist Police were at Departures preventing cabs from picking up passengers, forcing them to go downstairs again to the booth at arrivals. No big deal I thought, just a matter of going downstairs and picking one up I thought. Well fuck me! When I arrived downstairs the line extended about 150 meters from the booth with cabs turning up every 5 or 10 minutes or so. This turned out to be a looong wait.
Eventually (like 90 minutes) it was my turn for a cab. Pleasant clean cab, with a driver who knew no English, and knew even less about his way around BKK. Apparently this is not unusual lately as country farmers are coming to BKK to make some money as their crops are rooted this year. With years of enjoying a good joint, my memory has got a little frazzled, but I was still able to direct him via finger pointing gestures and giggles where we were to go.
There were many touts trying to get business by asking exorbitant sums of money to take passengers to wherever they had to go, but for some reason touts anywhere [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off so I decided to be stubborn and wait. And wait. And wait. I think you get my idea.
Accommodation – Unfortunately again I don’t pay for my hotels. I do have to book them though. Generally I find that going straight to the hotels web site will reveal a better deal than going through places like Travel-O-City, Wotif and Lastminute.com’s. If there is going to be a difference, it will be small and not worth the bandwidth chasing the deal. I did a little experiment when booking a hotel for this trip. I got a quote from each of the following sources for my stay from 26 April – 3 May 2006 (6 days); A travel agent, Wotif.com, priceline.com, Lastminute.com, the QANTAS web page and my hotel’s web page. After comparing apples with apples, the total cost difference between the highest price and lowest price was a measly 1500 Baht over the 6 days! Get your currency converters out, but just not worth the time and effort. IMHO just select a 3-4 star hotel and book it through their web site and move on.
As for what hotel you select, I am in no position to provide advice, as I have to use certain chains (President’s in BKK). Most mongers would be happy with 3 – 4 star quality, and when you think about it, you don’t spend much time in your hotel anyway.
The mongering scene - Hasn’t changed much over the years has it? Same old bullshit that gives most of us the shit’s after a few days. A massage parlour here, a freelancer overthere, a dildo up your ass at Eden. When it’s all said and done, it’s all been done before. Nothing is new. The best advice I can give is go to an establishment that your research indicated provides what you are looking for. Don’t listen to one off reports that says a place is shit, or one place is great. People write things to suit their own imaginations sometimes. Just use your judgement, do a very minimal amount of research, and take each experience as it comes. If you want someone lick out your ass, go to Eden or Akane. If you want a soapie (christ knows why!) go to Darling’s or Annie’s. You know what I mean. The specific advice people provide on this forum is great, but you need to remember that you may not be able to replicate that experience and it would be naive of you to expect to be able to do so.
Go Go’s – Generally they are not my cup of tea, however I was entertaining a client so had to partake. I reckon if I see one more foreign object protruding out of a females vagina one more time, I will pewk. Other than the novelty value, I just cannot see what people get out of it. It scares the hell out of me what the people who enjoy this stuff must be like in the privacy of their own homes. I personally find it repulsive and degrading to the women, but hey, each to their own. No one is holding a gun to the heads of the ladies making them do it.
The best shows I found were at Soi Cowboy at the Long Gun bar. There I was able to see a girl pull a 10 ft string of flowers from her twat, smoke a cigarette with her twat and a cigar with her ass, and of course blow out candles from a cake. Also on show was a woman shooting darts from a blow pipe at a stack of balloons and the now obligatory ping-pong ball trick. All old, now boring, and certainly not erotic.
I did go to the alternatives at Patpong and Nana, but in the cold light of day, all these places are interchangeable not really my cup of tea.
Bars – Personally I didn’t find the Biergarten on Soi 7 as bad as I had read on this forum. Yes it is full of hookers of various shapes and sizes, but I was expecting an ugly fest. To my surprise there were some gems and a few cuties when I got there at 3.00pm. The ugliest thing about the place is all the middle aged, fat, bald, loud, ill-mannered mongers that frequent it. The way that some of these men (and I use that word loosely) treat the women was disgusting. Yes they are hookers, yes they get paid to fuck, yes some of them aren’t the best looking, but they are still people and they deserve our respect. Most (sorry to generalise) of the mongers there think they are Brad Pitt or the like from their attitude, and treat the women like dirt. Please guys, if you don’t like the look of the girl who approaches you, just say you are not interested. There is no need to try and humiliate her in front of your/her friends and make yourself look like a hero a long way from home. It is this sort of conduct at that probably led you to BKK in the first place, knowing you can get away with it.
Soi 33 – Without going into too much detail, but this place is a gem. Bars that don’t often feature in these type of forums, but are well worth the trip. Variety is aplenty and the girls are much less pushy. Well worth a try.
As an aside, I learnt a lesson during a trip to Soi33. Pickup up a girl from Renior’s (if my memory serves me correct). Naa (I think) was her name. Had seen around her over a couple of days and this woman was simply stunning. One thing I couldn’t work out was that everytime I entered the bar I got the usual wai from the other girls, but this woman would give me the look of death whenever I walked in. I couldn’t work out why. She gave me the impression that she hated my guts. I am unable to put together the words to describe this ladies beauty. She was tall (about 5’11”), slim, perfect breasts, legs to die for and a face that is equal to anything I have seen anywhere. Her skin was perfect. This girl was quite simply stunning, and she hated my guts.
Well one night I got to chatting to this lady, who had almost no English and even one-on-one she gave me the impression she hated my guts. What better way to resolve this was to take her back to my room I thought. Thought about LT (4000B), but the little man in my head was ringing a bell, so ST (2000B) was the go. She went back inside got changed and came back AN HOUR LATER! Not a good start but I remained cool. This is Thailand after all.
Got back to the hotel and she headed straight to the bathroom and ran the bath, good start I thought. Then she got in and proceeded give herself a nice old treatment, locking the door behind her. Making herself pretty I assumed. Wrong! 30 minutes later she got out with a towel wrapped around her and went straight to the bar fridge. It really pissed her off that there was nothing left in it as I asked the hotel to stop stocking it for my stay. Then she nearly exploded when she couldn’t find the remote control for the TV. Experience tells you that you must hide the remote if you are taking a P4P girl to your room.
I tried to explain that we were here to fuck, and fucking we would do. So I had a shower and came back out. Whilst I was in the shower she had to resort to using the TV manually and boy was she pissed off. I came out of the shower in a towel and got on the bed expecting her to start the action. All she did was lay at arm’s distance, put her hand under my towel and tried to jack me off. All the time wearing her towel. Now it was me getting pissed off. I pushed her hand away and tried to ask her why she hated me so much.
It turned out, as best I could understand, that she hates all Western men and what they are doing in her country. She also thinks her beauty entitles her to a better lot in life and she is only doing this to get money together to make a better life for herself. Great but I tried to point out that if she was a little more charming and accommodating towards her potential customer base, she may well make a lot more money a lot faster and would be able to leave the industry sooner. That little pearl of common sense escaped her.
To cut a long story short I told her to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off, gave her the money and she left. Believe it or not, what pissed her off the most was that I wouldn’t tip her at the end. Fuck if she only knew that I was thinking about not paying her at all and taking her back to the bar to complain. Couldn’t be fucked and put it all down to an experience.
Another note to self – Don’t go with model quality hookers. Bad attitudes may lay under the surface.
There was other mongering experiences had during my stay but you have heard them all before. Nothing new from me I’m afraid.
In summary, BKK is great. Do some general research on the net but don’t take it literally. Read about the experiences others have had, but do not expect to replicate them exactly. Some people write bullshit to massage their own ego’s, some people exaggerate their own experiences for reasons known only to themselves, and some people with excellent experiences don’t bother writing anything at all.
Come to Bangkok, enjoy yourself, behave yourself, remember that it is you who is the outsider and respect the Thai culture.
Time to do some work.
TKM
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that somebody will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.[/blue][/size]
The Kman,
great report.
Conclusion: Never take a girl from the first line.
Giotto
Yep, I agree, great report. I am also stubborn in that way where I don't like getting taken advantage of by the airport taxi touts but I do give honest taxi drivers a bigger tip. Think I will give the Painter bars a try this next trip.
Kman,
Why you would go with a girl that obviously 'hates your guts' is beyond me. At least you don't complain too much about that stupidity.
"Another note to self – Don’t go with model quality hookers. Bad attitudes may lay under the surface." - A little RTFF would have warned you about that - "love is not only blind, but deaf..."
I haven't had the slightest problem with taxi drivers in BKK in the past two years after I started to use them again*. At the airport, just walk out to the main road and flag one down - be sure its red light is on!
[size=-2]*Had a few too many problems in the mid nineties...[/size]
Kman,
Interesting report and certainly foolish.
The reason why she acted the way she did the whole night was for you to get pissed off and throw her out... did you think about that? I mean, if you look at it from her perspective, the whole thing was perfect... she alledgedly stroked your dick and got paid 2000 bath for it.
Sorry, but you gave her yet another reason to continue behaving the way she did.
When this happends, you need to give her a choice :
1. we fuck and you get your 2000
2. we don't fuck and you get out now wit 0
This was a mutual business agreement, the terms were she Fucks you ST and you pay 2000.
I fail to understand why many Farangs (yes, there are many in the same situation) let their BG get away with that attitude... let alone promote it by paying... you wouldn't take that crap while in your home country so why do it in Thailand?
Good report by the way, I like your writing style ;)
first off, let me apologise as since im not posting a report. just getting ready for my bangkok trip, im going to be there for 3 nights in july. any tips/advise would helps (regarding mongering that is!!)
im also interested in getting some action with white women (russians.. whatever).
godspeed!
If you tell us which reports you have already read, we might be able to tell you what information more you need. can't be much!.
Kman,
that is a great report, you capture so well many of the negative experiences that so many of us have had in Thailand. I'm not going to flame you for the problems with the starlet, I've made the same mistake in my past, learned my lesson and will never do it again. I have two key thoughts on this - one is that pussy's generally all look the same when turned up side down and the girls on all fours - so try not to be too taken by the girls looks in the bar.Secondly, attitude is so much more important than looks. A good fuck comes from a girl with a good attitude, you will enjoy it more and it will be much more memorable. I look for attitude first and foremost always. As you said, we shouldn't dehumanise the girls, many of them want a good time as well and they try to pick guys they think that they'll click with just as much as we try to pick based on looks.
As such, I try to avoid the stunning model types - they get come ons all the time and if they're not giving me positive vibes then I know what the outcome will be (as you found out). In many ways I agree with your girl's comments re. our behaviour in her country. Further, it's the Thai guys acquiescence which surprises me. I often think that if hordes of Asians were come to a W.European or N.American country, with much much more money than the locals and have sex with our young and beautiful women how would we react ? I see how people react in Britain when migrants come, work hard, keep their heads down, keep themselves to themselves and act humbly. If they were to act as we act in LOS there'd be a very high level of violence on the streets.
An interesting aside, one of the girls in BKK told me last night that there are so many women out working at the moment as schools go back next week and they all have to pay the school fees for their kids !
Interesting,
[QUOTE=Snookynic] Sorry, but you gave her yet another reason to continue behaving the way she did.
When this happends, you need to give her a choice :
1. we fuck and you get your 2000
2. we don't fuck and you get out now wit 0
[/QUOTE]
That’s the way to go.
If you pay her after doing nothing you are encouraging her to continue with the same scam on and on.
Don’t pay her and she will learn the lesson, and after a few lessons she will either improve her attitude or go out of business.
[quote=wadzilla]first off, let me apologise as since im not posting a report. just getting ready for my bangkok trip, im going to be there for 3 nights in july. any tips/advise would helps (regarding mongering that is!!)
im also interested in getting some action with white women (russians.. whatever).
godspeed![/quote]
man, why eat a hotdog when you're in a french resaurant? myself, i would get all the lbfm's i could while in the land of.
[QUOTE=Catmonger]Man, why eat a hotdog when you're in a French resaurant? Myself, I would get all the LBFM's I could while in the land of.[/QUOTE]You might want to see this post for some insight:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=461437#post461437[/url]
I had a great time staying and learning of places through Livingstone's Lodge. You might want to read Giotto's lodge in Bangkok, or better yet stop by the sports bar and ask the Master Giotto himself.
Pool Guy
[QUOTE=Pool Guy]You might want to see this post for some insight:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=461437#post461437[/url]
I had a great time staying and learning of places through Livingstone's Lodge. You might want to read Giotto's lodge in Bangkok, or better yet stop by the sports bar and ask the Master Giotto himself.
Pool Guy[/QUOTE]
I've heard of 'Russian' imports but have had lots of western women already. I like the sweet little brown ones myself. To each his own, but I think they're the sweetest.
[QUOTE=Pool Guy]You might want to see this post for some insight:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=461437#post461437[/url]
I had a great time staying and learning of places through Livingstone's Lodge. You might want to read Giotto's lodge in Bangkok, or better yet stop by the sports bar and ask the Master Giotto himself.
Pool Guy[/QUOTE]
I do not really understand what all this has to do with Livingstone's Lodge, but let me clarify, that there are NO RUSSIANS working here, and there never will.
I personally don't understand why people are asking for Russian girls in Thailand - if you want Russions you should travel to Moscow.
Giotto