[QUOTE=Shemp]What's better a lax-BKK biz class flight on Thair air or a sfo-BKK biz class flight on United.[/QUOTE]I prefer UA biz class but not so much that I'd put up with a stopover in Narita.
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[QUOTE=Shemp]What's better a lax-BKK biz class flight on Thair air or a sfo-BKK biz class flight on United.[/QUOTE]I prefer UA biz class but not so much that I'd put up with a stopover in Narita.
[QUOTE=Shemp]What's better a lax-BKK biz class flight on Thair air or a sfo-BKK biz class flight on United. Thai air will get me there in 3 1/2 hrs less time but I'm curious about the service, food, booze, seat, stews, differences between the 2 biz classes.[/QUOTE]FMTT. If you've never flown Thai Airways, let alone business class, then DO SO NOW. There's a reason Thai airways, and for that matter, a number of asian airlines, show up in the "best of" lists, while American carriers don't.
If nothing else, you'll have a pleasant time fantasizing about the YOUNG stews on Thai airways (I'm guessing they have an age limit when they have to STOP flying), whereas I've NEVER done that on an American long haul ride, given the [u]matrons[/u] who have the [u]seniority[/u] to grab the long haul routes.
[QUOTE=Shemp]What's better a lax-BKK biz class flight on Thair air or a sfo-BKK biz class flight on United. Thai air will get me there in 3 1/2 hrs less time but I'm curious about the service, food, booze, seat, stews, differences between the 2 biz classes.[/QUOTE]
Personally, I would rather fly coach on an Asian airline, such as Cathay Pacific or Thai Air, than business on a U.S. carrier. You cannot compare the service. During my first flight to LOS, I asked the ticket counter if I could upgrade from coach regardless of price. Nothing was available. He assured me, having never flown Cathay Pacific, that I would be satisfied with an aisle seat. I WAS!!
[QUOTE=Samuking]I'm sure I'll have to negotiate everything before I BF a girl out for LT.[/quote]Just remember, it should be FUN. It's not a hard bargaining, lowest bid accepted win situation. It's just to clarify what each can expect to receive/deliver. If she's not fun during the "marketing" phase, then I certainly would not expect her to be fun during the "implementation" phase. The same could be said for you (that's the 2nd person PLURAL form).
I won't buy her a lady drink unless I'm interested. But when you refuse, don't expect her to remain with you - one part of her salary is a share of the lady drinks she gets. Plus, she'll have a monthly quota of lady drinks; if she doesn't make, her salary is cut.
I won't necessarily buy her friends a drink, but I also understand it's a form of insurance for her - she's got a punter tonight, so she'll ask for her friend, when tomorrow night, the situation could be reversed. I'll make light of the situation with a "I only have eyes for you" statement. But I have done so, especially if I pull her again (1 extra round, anyway).
Like another poster said, spend some time with her, and enjoy. I had great fun inviting a girl out for a late meal and letting her pick the restaurant. Places I never would have found. I've been in places where I was the only foreigner there... Just remember the Thais like to eat, and a number of plates will be ordered. Now if she wants to take all her friends out to a high price nightclub, that's another matter ...
Just be careful about taking her out shopping. The Thais don't seem to grasp the concept of [b]window[/b] shopping. As 1 told me, "Better to stay in the hotel room. If we go out, I see something, I want you to buy for me. If stay inside, not see anything." They'll also try and get you the "local" price, rather than the falang price, which actually might not be such a good thing when she's spending 30 minutes haggling over 20 baht :)
Know the range of prices, but I never worried about getting the lowest price. If she came in with a fair first offer, I didn't try to beat her down to the last baht. The only thing I was mostly strict about was that she understood she'd be paid in the morning (though a few times, she was SO compelling, I never bothered).
And regardless of performance, I always paid the agreed amount, unless [b]she[/b] changed the contract, the greatest risk being LT becomes ST after a pay first demand. Even if she was a starfish, I paid the agreed amount; just never pulled her again. "Pay After" [b]ONLY[/b] works when [b]both[/b] sides live up to the bargain.
For me, the bottom line has ALWAYS been: [b]a good price is what [u]HER[/u] experience is worth to [u]YOU[/u] [u]THAT[/u] night.[/b]
[QUOTE=Samuking]I'm going to be so paranoid about leaving my stuff out like my ipod, digital camera, laptop before they show up.[/quote]Sufficient to be cautious and prudent, not paranoid. I just wouldn't leave temptation laying around. Think of it as an unknown house guest that you're putting up for the night. But in years as a punter, I've never had anything walk off (well, material objects anyway, though I have seen several wg's walk when I didn't follow my own advice about menu, price :) ).
All in all, I've been pleasantly surprised about the honesty I've seen, though, like I said, I don't leave temptation laying around.
And pulling from a bar, rather than a street or bier garten, does have its advantages - you know where she works. I always viewed the bar fine as a kind of insurance. Not saying you'd get anything back, but still, it'd be bad for business if the bar employed reported thieves.
Likewise, I once suggested a disappointed friend complain to the bar when his pull turned a promised LT into ST, if for no other reason than to alert the bar that it might have a problem employee. He did, and actually got his bar fine back. No guarantees; still, it never hurts to report a problem employee to management.
[QUOTE=Samuking]... and I hope to report back here.[/QUOTE]I hope you do. Best of luck, and enjoy. We all started somewhere, sometime, with help from others. You'll make mistakes, for sure, but those mistakes do make for some great "war" stories.
Just remember the difference between a war story and a fairy tale:[list][*]A fairy tale starts out, "Once upon a time..."
[*]A war story starts out, "Shit, I was there..."[/list]
[QUOTE=11Bravo]FMTT. If you've never flown Thai Airways, let alone business class, then DO SO NOW. There's a reason Thai airways, and for that matter, a number of asian airlines, show up in the "best of" lists, while American carriers don't.
If nothing else, you'll have a pleasant time fantasizing about the YOUNG stews on Thai airways (I'm guessing they have an age limit when they have to STOP flying), whereas I've NEVER done that on an American long haul ride, given the [u]matrons[/u] who have the [u]seniority[/u] to grab the long haul routes.[/QUOTE]
I flew once from USA to Australia on United biz class and "it is just about", compared to european and asian airlines. Also flew UA from Asia to USA and,again, nothing appealing on service
I flew a couple of times biz class on similar routes with Air NewZealand and it is much better than american airlines
But flying asian airlines (I do use a lot Thai from Europe to Asia) is another world: pampered, always a smile, they are there to please and serve (jsut as asian girls do, lol). Singapore, Thai, even Asiana, are great and so is Malaysian. Irt certainly has a lot to do with the customer service oriented mentality of asian people.
So I would not even waste the time to think about choosing between UA and Thai at the palce of the fellow guy here. Just get the asian experience.
I agree with you, it is alos nice to fantasize about the stewardesses.
Their charme is already a big reward for having chosen their airline.
PS: I do fly always biz on the long haul and that is indeed a premium, but I am sure their attitude is not lowered in economy. It is just the level of commodities and space that you do not get in coach. But the girls haev all the same (nice) attitude
[QUOTE=Bionicman]I do fly always biz on the long haul and that is indeed a premium, but I am sure their attitude is not lowered in economy. It is just the level of commodities and space that you do not get in coach. But the girls haev all the same (nice) attitude[/QUOTE]Can vouch for the fact that the service and attitude is still great in economy.
American long haul: the cabin crew go off somewhere, do their own thing, couldn't be bothered even if you were having a heart attack.
Asian long haul: they might be off doing their own thing, but one or two regularly come cruising down the aisle just to check if someone needs something.
Bottom line: just think of the attitude difference between Asian women and American women...
[QUOTE=Bionicman]I flew once from USA to Australia on United biz class and "it is just about", compared to european and asian airlines. Also flew UA from Asia to USA and,again, nothing appealing on service
I flew a couple of times biz class on similar routes with Air NewZealand and it is much better than american airlines
But flying asian airlines (I do use a lot Thai from Europe to Asia) is another world: pampered, always a smile, they are there to please and serve (jsut as asian girls do, lol). Singapore, Thai, even Asiana, are great and so is Malaysian. Irt certainly has a lot to do with the customer service oriented mentality of asian people.
So I would not even waste the time to think about choosing between UA and Thai at the palce of the fellow guy here. Just get the asian experience.
I agree with you, it is alos nice to fantasize about the stewardesses.
Their charme is already a big reward for having chosen their airline.
PS: I do fly always biz on the long haul and that is indeed a premium, but I am sure their attitude is not lowered in economy. It is just the level of commodities and space that you do not get in coach. But the girls haev all the same (nice) attitude[/QUOTE]
I agree 100%. There is no chance for an US carrier to compete with the Asians.
Singapore, Thai and also ANA or Asiana are decades away from UA.
If you prefer Business Class, you should try to find a SQ flight on their 777. This is better than many American First Class services. For instance Zurich-Singapore, Frankfurt-SIN and also SFO-SIN.
Go ahead and book !
FV
I fly accross the Pacific once or twice a month. I fly both China air, or EVA air, in business class.
i would not fly a US carrier for all the tea in China. There is just no comparison.
I flew UA in "C" class from LAX to CDG a few years ago, and was extremely disappointed.
As posted below, think of asking your overweight, fuck you attitude western GF to go get you a beer, versus asking your sweet, attentive, 50 kg spinner Asian GF to go get you a beer. Which one would you rather bring you a cold one ?
No brainer.
[QUOTE=FlyingVisitor]I agree 100%. There is no chance for an US carrier to compete with the Asians.
Singapore, Thai and also ANA or Asiana are decades away from UA.
If you prefer Business Class, you should try to find a SQ flight on their 777. This is better than many American First Class services. For instance Zurich-Singapore, Frankfurt-SIN and also SFO-SIN.
Go ahead and book !
FV[/QUOTE]have flown SQ a few times in biz, but the rate price/quality between Thai and Singapore is not the same. Let's say that for a bit of lower service (next to nothing difference, I think it is more psychological than else), Thai gives a much better "special business" rate. Flying Thai to Aisa also gives me the opportunity to have a holiday break in Thai with nearly no traveling cost.
[QUOTE=FlyingVisitor]I agree 100%. There is no chance for an US carrier to compete with the Asians.[/QUOTE]Yes, yes. But I'm curious: have any of you commenting here actually DONE the two flights the OP is asking about? And have you done them in the past year or so?
I have, and LAX-NRT-BKK upstairs on UA biz is just fine. No, the cabin crew weren't babes (to say the least) and the service wasn't as attentive, but it felt like a considerably tighter and more professional operation than TG's LAX-BKK.
But as I said, if you don't need to stop in Tokyo, the TG nonstop is the obvious choice.
[QUOTE=1Ball]I fly accross the Pacific once or twice a month. I fly both China air, or EVA air, in business class.
i would not fly a US carrier for all the tea in China. There is just no comparison.
I flew UA in "C" class from LAX to CDG a few years ago, and was extremely disappointed.
As posted below, think of asking your overweight, fuck you attitude western GF to go get you a beer, versus asking your sweet, attentive, 50 kg spinner Asian GF to go get you a beer. Which one would you rather bring you a cold one ?
No brainer.[/QUOTE]
You neglected another fact: The beer IN COACH on the Asian airlines, at least Cathay Pacific, is FREE. And the sexy babe pours it for you with a smile. "Want anything else, sir." Ah, yea, sit on my lap honey. :)
The U.S. market nickel and dimes you, while cutting the service. Want headphones for the movie, pay $1. Want a pillow for the 18-hour flight, pay $1. Want to watch the flight attendant's rear, pay $1. I sat in COACH, and they simply put some snacks and wine in the gallery and you helped yourself.
Night and day!!!
[QUOTE=FlyingVisitor]I agree 100%. There is no chance for an US carrier to compete with the Asians.
Singapore, Thai and also ANA or Asiana are decades away from UA.
If you prefer Business Class, you should try to find a SQ flight on their 777. This is better than many American First Class services. For instance Zurich-Singapore, Frankfurt-SIN and also SFO-SIN.
Go ahead and book !
FV[/QUOTE]Singapore Airlines is expensive for what you get. Thai is far better value for money, but still with good food and drink and decent service.
[QUOTE=11Bravo]If nothing else, you'll have a pleasant time fantasizing about the YOUNG stews on Thai airways (I'm guessing they have an age limit when they have to STOP flying), whereas I've NEVER done that on an American long haul ride, given the [u]matrons[/u] who have the [u]seniority[/u] to grab the long haul routes.[/QUOTE]
I guess you don't fly THAI all that often. Plenty of older flight attendants, male and female. I'd say in their 40s or so.
I prefer take out at Tulip massage rather than staying there. Can anyone recommend some short time hotels near Tulip massage (Thong Lo BTS)? Thanks.
The most beautiful trolley dollies have to be on Air Asia's payroll. Love flying that airline. Apart from their dirt cheap fares around the region and general reliability, you get to ogle at some prime asian ass as they flounce up and down the aisles.
And that cute red uniform! I would love to obtain one for my Filipina GF, dress her up in it sans knickers, then boss her around a while before bending her over a chair and ....:eek: ...excuse me while I go find the kleenex.