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[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2683782]I honestly don't know where you guys get this stuff. It's an egotistical way of thinking and it's reason why so many don't like westerners (and Americans in particular) when they come to partake in the sex industry; they feel we look down upon them as peasants and that we are royalty entitled to our ego. We often come into countries and assume that people have the mindset of feudal peasants, living in hovels without running water and eating dirt / trash. Yes, many third world nations do have a lot of poor people and clearly the floor is lower there than in more developed countries. But the majority of people are just poor, like poor people in the US or anywhere else. They have shit jobs, make minimum wage, don't have much, and have to grind to survive. Millions of Americans have to do the same exact thing everyday and the majority of people in Colombia do the same. We can't lose sight of the fact that most people we meet in these countries are not the average citizen but a specific, smaller subset that has grown around tourism and sex work. Hell, the majority of mongers I have met from the West are the same poor saps you meet in these countries, it's just that their money is worth more outside their home country so they can pretend to be rich and high class while crying about how domestic prices have gone up too much. The majority of guys in Colombia are average / fat, office workers, we just don't see them because they aren't running around tourists areas during the day, they are at their jobs. The majority of women there, after the age of 30 or so get fat as well. Go to a local soccer match and tell me it doesn't look exactly like the crowd at an American football game..[/QUOTE]My subject line was a joke because your set-up was too good to ignore, and if you can laugh at yourself then there is still some hope for you, jeje.
You weave a path that I won't say is wrong because I am not going to take the time to look up data for stuff that is empirically obvious to me. Let's just say my experiences are different. I don't see how PV Monger's statement that obesity in Latin American countries can be a sign of being able to provide for others is "egotistical'. I think you meant "ethnocentric" but I would disagree on both accounts. I already commented the same thing in this string about how in certain cultures obesity is a sign of affluence, and I have personally seen it in Africa, too.
Another phenomenon I see in Medellin is that girls "fatten" up during times when they have more money and food because there are many times when they have to go a day or more without eating and they count on using the extra fat as energy stores. I don't think I have ever seen or heard of that in the USA where even the poor as a general rule, don't go hungry. I believe that mindset in the USA of knowingly going without food is "foreign" to North Americans. Have you ever been to one of the national food banks in the USA that gives away free food? I have many times through a couple of connections. You will find some of the highest obesity rates there where people collect free food.
You are also a little confused about the archaic term "third world" which you mix with more appropriate terminology, "developed" nations. There is more than one person here confused about that. For the record, Colombia is an undeveloped nation on the tipping point of becoming a developed a nation, and that transition only occurs once in a country's history. There is too much that goes into that to explain further here.
Comparing the poor people in Colombia where the poverty rate is at least eight times higher than in the USA is also full of pitfalls. In a nutshell, poverty is the exception to the rule in North America, while here in Colombia, poverty rules. Very different socioeconomic culture. I'd really like to see where you got the impression that the "majority of guys in Colombia are fat office workers" and were you talking about Colombians or visitors from other countries? Your writing can be a little confusing at times.
My casual observation in all kinds of venues show obesity rates to be much lower in Medellin, and especially at the high end where I very rarely see morbidly obese people in Medellin, but morbid obesity is so rampant in the USA that we have become numb to it. When I was losing weight in the USA but still obese, people would tell me all the time, "You don't need to lose weight" because there were so many morbidly obese people around, I didn't look as fat in comparison.
I somewhat agree with your assessment of the average mongerer from the USA, but again don't see the parallel you try to draw to people here being the same way. Maybe this was one of your points, hard to tell, that the the sex workers are doing a legal vocation here and on average are better off than their fellow citizens. You also commented about the subset of people we meet in the sex industry and projected that to other users here and the general population in Medellin. What that really means is that you don't know what is going on with the majority of the population in Colombia, by your own admission.
You promised that you have more info coming about hook-ups and price points you experienced that probably a lot of guys here will find helpful. I have very little experience in those venues, by choice. I spend a lot of my energy on getting to know the "real" culture and people of Medellin. You may certainly have the last word on this thread if you are so inclined, I will be moving on. Asti Out.