last time when we were beating up on dumbshit, a "clueless guy" showed up out of nowhere and "filed" an off topic report about hookers in Vegas like 15 years ago.
Hmmmmm
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last time when we were beating up on dumbshit, a "clueless guy" showed up out of nowhere and "filed" an off topic report about hookers in Vegas like 15 years ago.
Hmmmmm
I took it upon myself to do a little checking. Our little troll friend has been posting away like crazy.... that is, until he got booted out of this forum. All of a sudden, here comes troll 2.0. Suddenly posting after being completely dormant for a year and a half.
Troll 2.0 used to post mostly in the London forum. Favorite topic..... you guessed it, prostitution. Even in that forum, he was taking some flak as to the legitimacy of his reports.
My guess is that our troll friend originated in asia.... possibly Hong Kong. Went over to the UK as a student, because it was easier for him to get in since HK was a former British colony. Education finished, he's over to the USA and begins posting as JD2004. Just some guesswork mind you..... it may very well be that 100% of his postings are 100% B.S.
I still say he's more of a talker than a doer.
Rock
RD:
Sounds like a Honkie Asian to me, they are full of hangups. Their moods range from feelings of utter inferiority to boundless superiority. Most of all though, they are extremely frustrated sexually. Then again, I really don't care where he is from. I'd feel sorry for him if he wasnt so annoying and boringly repetitive. I say ignore him. If he writes or someone wants to chat with him, let him do it in his own provate James D 2004 forum. This is the last comment I will ever make on that guy.
There is a darling (I hate to sound gay, but it fits), completely guileless little jailbait girl at my job.
I was teasing her, basically treating her like my bratty little sister, when a 300 pound whale co-worker, interceded, with "YOU ARE WAY TOO OLD FOR HER".
Could it possibly be that we are just a hair jealous of the pretty little thing getting male attention?
Sadly, I'm getting to watch the older bitches indoctrinate her, encouraging her to out on dates with any guy she asks, because "it's a free meal.
B9K
I have noticed that terrestrial whales and old hags consider themselves to be self-appointed advisors to young attractive women. The advice that they freely dispense is little more than things they long to do to men, if only they had the looks and the attractiveness to get a man interested in them. Since they can't attract men they grow bitter and seek to use more attractive women as the instrument of their vengeance.
If this young woman follows the advice of these women and dates every guy that offers a "free meal" she will run into some problems. There are guys out there who are real pros at playing that kind of woman. They dress sharp, drive nice cars, and hold high paying jobs. A guy like that would not bat an eyelash when the little darling orders up the fillet mignon and lobster. In fact, he would encourage her to wash it down with some expensive wine or champagne. Giddy from the expensive meal and liquor, she can't help but let Mr. Charming fuck the shit out of her. When her phone calls are not returned and she runs crying to her advisors they will be more than happy to chant the mantra that all men are dogs. Of course, there was nothing wrong with her trying to take advantage of the guy except that she had the tables turned on her.
The blubberpork co-worker was motivated by 100% pure jealousy. Not only that, but she displayed some classic female behavior...... if the guys are passing you up, try and spoil their game.
It's funny, because you weren't even really going for it. But just the thought that you might be getting somewhere was enough to spur that porculent biatch into action.
Women do this all the time. It works especially well in closed environments like work and school. I've had it done to me enough times.
Way too old for her? Whatever, by North American standards anything more than a four or five year gap and they consider you to be "an older man".
Rock
I notice the same thing from fat gross women they gain a certain status within the female community as a no nonsense chick(due to no luck with guys) and they grow testicles and become a self proclaimed lioness of the jungle.Women really dig these women because they defy the fragile female ego that is wrongfully represented and believed in our culture.I see lipstick lesbians fall for the brut female totally for insecurity reasons.
I think if you live by the game then you also die by the game and those who dont play the game are left out.
My sister is in a divorce as we speak but in her situation he is taking her to the cleaners.I'm sure your all happy with that as I would be too but she doesn't understand that her husband earned that right.He played the game he toughed it out through college dealt with his mother in law etc.He did everything he was supposed to do therefore for all his efforts he gets rewarded.Men and woman who live by these rules destroy each other and they dont seem to realize it because they've never gone through soul searching how guys like us have.They just dont see it.
i've also noticed the syndrome of the fugly whale gaining status among "the girls" by being evil, abusive, and obnoxious to men. as a guy, this really sucks because as this individual is at least nominally female (at least a couple of layers of blubber down) you are societally prohibitited against really doing much about it. i did actually tell a boss once that if a girl opens her mouth at me one more time, they are going to find her in the corner sobbing because i'm going to unload both barrels at her-in that situation, there was plenty to work with (skanky, fat, ugly, trailer trash...)
the ageism thing. per our culture, theoretically speaking, i shouldn't at almost 35 date someone who is just out of high school, or perhaps 18 and still in. my question is "why?". i know we aren't supposed to ask and just blindly obey but.....
because i want to fuck her perhaps? yes, this is true, but then so does little jimmy. however, a diffference is that should there be an "accident", i have the financial wherewithal to handle it, in one manner or the other. along a similar thought process, there is a much higher chance of finding a box of condoms next to my bed in my safe comfortable apartment, than there is in the back of little jimmy's car.
perhaps because i'm "slick", "smooth" etc, and easily able to take advantage of the poor naive girl. well, me personally, not so much, but there may be a bit of validity to this one, although i'm inclined to call having these attributes more a function of birth than a function of age.
a countervailing thought however. i had a "little thing" (we ended up going out once-it didn't go anywhere)a couple of years ago (i was probably 29-30) with a pretty 18 year old girl. i actually know most of her family, and there was a bit of disaproval (her mother was perhaps only 5-6 years older than i was at the time) around about said "little thing" and i was gearing up to make a point to them.......girl had been literally almost killed in a car accident a few months before, when she was riding with a stupid boy doing stupid boy things. i was preparing to ask her mother "would you prefer girl be with my boring ass in a nice restaurant, or drunk and stupid with little jimmy when he decides do demonstrate his ignorance of physics and center of gravity in his dad's suv, or finding the maximum speed of his '88 rx-7.
b9k
our social culture is geared for women in every respect but age. women are allowed to date much younger men and nobody is bothered by it. however when a man does it, he's ( you pick one) -
immature, unintelligent, dirty old man, etc
my favorite is we don't know how to relate to women in our own age bracket. let me refer to the countless number of milf's running around in my age bracket. how about the some of those same bitter milf that have closed the baby factory due only to their mistakes concerning birth control.
that really narrows the field down when your still interested in having your own children as i am. the ideal sitsuation of course is to marry a childless woman that's able to have children of course but that isn't always possible either.
but there is such a thing as dating too young i believe. when the gap is more than 10 years, i think its harder to relate to some things and you might find things she might like to do as unacceptable when most of her friends are doing it, just like you did it when you were her age.
the only refreshing quality about really young girls honest is they don't know how to play the game well yet and you can use that to your advantage. of course they are "new models" with very litttle to no "wear" even if they have been sexually active at an early age. so they tend to be easy to please and eager to do it without provoking.
some of the same traits i have found in women over 40 really. what really stinks about american women is we have so many sexual hangups in this country that most women aren't fully comfortable with themselves and their bodies until they are about 40.
i know alot of women in their mid 20's and early 30's claim to be freaky, but really aren't. i have found it oh so diffcult to have say anal sex with a girl in her 20's when alot of ladies in their late 30's, early 40's barely bat an eyelash and actually love to do it.
however i don't find ladies in their late 30s all that great to look at. sure there are exceptions, but the general rule is, they look weather beaten and hard by 38 usually.
so i'm going to make full use of the fact i only look about 24-25 to most people to my advantage, especially when i go to europe in a few months. the countdown has started, passport should be here anyday now.
[quote=bart9000]i've also noticed the syndrome of the fugly whale gaining status among "the girls" by being evil, abusive, and obnoxious to men. as a guy, this really sucks because as this individual is at least nominally female (at least a couple of layers of blubber down) you are societally prohibitited against really doing much about it. i did actually tell a boss once that if a girl opens her mouth at me one more time, they are going to find her in the corner sobbing because i'm going to unload both barrels at her-in that situation, there was plenty to work with (skanky, fat, ugly, trailer trash...)
the ageism thing. per our culture, theoretically speaking, i shouldn't at almost 35 date someone who is just out of high school, or perhaps 18 and still in. my question is "why?". i know we aren't supposed to ask and just blindly obey but.....
because i want to fuck her perhaps? yes, this is true, but then so does little jimmy. however, a diffference is that should there be an "accident", i have the financial wherewithal to handle it, in one manner or the other. along a similar thought process, there is a much higher chance of finding a box of condoms next to my bed in my safe comfortable apartment, than there is in the back of little jimmy's car.
perhaps because i'm "slick", "smooth" etc, and easily able to take advantage of the poor naive girl. well, me personally, not so much, but there may be a bit of validity to this one, although i'm inclined to call having these attributes more a function of birth than a function of age.
a countervailing thought however. i had a "little thing" (we ended up going out once-it didn't go anywhere)a couple of years ago (i was probably 29-30) with a pretty 18 year old girl. i actually know most of her family, and there was a bit of disaproval (her mother was perhaps only 5-6 years older than i was at the time) around about said "little thing" and i was gearing up to make a point to them.......girl had been literally almost killed in a car accident a few months before, when she was riding with a stupid boy doing stupid boy things. i was preparing to ask her mother "would you prefer girl be with my boring ass in a nice restaurant, or drunk and stupid with little jimmy when he decides do demonstrate his ignorance of physics and center of gravity in his dad's suv, or finding the maximum speed of his '88 rx-7.
b9k[/quote]
Foreign Brides Invade Sicily
by Marilu Romano
In Sicily, the face of the New Bride, representing a growing number of Sicily's young wives, has dark brown eyes and honey colored hair. Or dark hair with blue eyes. Typically Sicilian, she is named Anna, Valentina or Nicoletta and she's around twenty-eight years old. She has a university education and a subdued European elegance. She's stylish in a sophisticated, Italian way, boasting a slender figure that seems made for a tiny black Valentino miniskirt. She speaks flawless Italian with a slight Russian accent. Wait a second! No, that last observation was not an error. Anna, Valentina or Nicoletta (or Tatiana or Svetlana) has married an Italian man she met in eastern Europe and now makes her home in Palermo or Catania. And she is part of a virtual tidal wave of foreign women --particularly eastern Europeans-- in Italy about to radically change the balance of the sexes (genders) in Italian society, where women already constitute a slight majority (about 51%) of the population. In stark contrast, hardly any of the relatively few foreign men who marry Italian women decide to live in Italy, choosing instead to return to their home countries with their new Italian wives --a trend dating from the time of the infamous "G.I. brides" who emigrated with their American husbands immediately following the Second World War, when thousands of Sicily's young women wed Allied soldiers they met in 1943 to escape terrible poverty at home. That phenomenon deprived many Sicilian men of the opportunity to marry some of the most attractive local women. This time it's the Italian men who are reaping the harvest of desirable foreign spouses, and it has made some Italian women angry as can be. Today, nearly all of the immigrants to Italy who wed Italians and remain here are women from eastern Europe, and many are remarkably well-educated compared to their Italian sisters, and certainly compared to the typical English nanny in Sicily. One cannot generalise but certain trends can be identified. Many young Romanian women, for example, work in Italy as housekeepers, while a significant number of Czech women work in entertainment-related fields.
A growing number of Italian men seem to find these foreign women more attractive or appealing than local girls, and in many cases social factors appear to be as important as aesthetic ones. (Italy, after all, has its fair share of beautiful women.) It takes two to tango, and the trend is partially explained by the willingness of well-educated, attractive eastern European women to seek better lives in "The West." Even Sicily, with its frighteningly high level of unemployment, is preferable to some impoverished regions of the former Soviet Block. For most of the women we spoke with, Italian men themselves were not a particularly alluring attraction compared to Americans or anybody else. It just so happens that immigration into Italy, with its notoriously soft borders and lax immigration policies, is far easier than getting a visa to enter the United States or Canada. Many foreign women initially enter Italy illegally.
Some Sicilian men believe that the new immigrants are less snobbish or suspicious than women who have grown up in places like Palermo or Catania. Having experienced more serious hardships at home, they seem less materialistic, "spoiled" or superficial. At first, this sounds like simple subjective bias, but such statements could be defended based on the idea that different social norms and living conditions prevail in different places. What's clear is that the opporunity to court a more flexible, less demanding foreign woman is a powerful temptation that could leave many Sicilian women husbandless. Already there are numerous stories circulating of irate local women who have lost boyfriends, and even husbands, to attractive foreign girls. As the Czech Republic and other countries join the European Union, easier legal immigration means that even more foreign women will soon be entering Italy each year, depleting the number of eligible women in those countries while increasing the number in Italy. As employment opportunities are limited even for Italian women, it is clear that marriage one of the main reasons behind this kind of immigration, though a few Czech and Albanian women work in northern Italy as prostitutes (actually a legal profession in Italy). Immigration for marriage is hardly "balanced" when the overwhelming majority of immigrants are women.
Internet matchmaking, and the increasing knowledge of English (the world's most important language) by younger Italians, makes finding a foreign companion easier than ever. It's no longer unusual to see a local man with a Slavic woman in a trendy café or elegant restaurant off Via Libertà, Palermo's stylish, tree-lined main street. Most of the women in this foreign "invasion" are eastern Europeans, but there's also an increasing, if far less evident, presence of Scandinavian and north African women married to Sicilian men. It's almost as though these Sicilian men were rediscovering their remote Norman or Arab roots.
The influx of eastern European brides is too recent a phenomenon for any credible "scientific" conclusions to be drawn about the permanence of these marriages or their wider impact on Sicilian life. Clearly, some foreign women married (in Sicily) to Sicilians have been more fortunate than others. American women married to Sicilian men report a higher incidence of marital difficulties, many resulting in divorce. The novelty or prestige of being married to a pretty blonde foreigner (not that all foreign brides are blondes but blondness is an obsession with many Sicilian men) doesn't always translate into an enduring relationship. What's certain is that perceptions have changed since the 1850s, when Emily Lowe penned her very Victorian Unprotected Females in Sicily.
Love has no universal pattern, and it knows no geographical boundaries. But people usually have at least a general idea of what they seek, or do not seek, in their hypothetically "perfect" mate. With that in mind, we asked a few Sicilian men how, after years of dating Italian girls, they so easily fell in love with foreign ones. You may be surprised at some of their direct, if slightly opinionated, observations:
Giacomo, who lives in Palermo, is 35 years old and his marriage to Ludmilla, 27, who's from northern Russia, is his first. They're expecting their first child soon. "We met in Russia through a matchmaking service," he explains. "Milli is a dream. My mother was a little reticent when she first met her, but now they absolutely adore each other. Look, I have nothing against Italian women, but they're a strange breed, even if they say the same thing about us men. When I would give a gift to my last (Italian) girlfriend, who was with me for almost four years, it's as if it was never enough. I suppose that a diamond can always be bigger... But Maria loves me, not just what I can buy her."
Salvatore, 42, also Palermitan, is married to Maria, 32, who is from Romania. Both were divorcees, but neither had children from the earlier marriage. "We got married in the Orthodox church. Initially, it was a new experience to be involved with a woman who considers spirituality important, because among 'sophisticated' Italian girls that kind of thing really doesn't exist today. But the Romanians appreciate freedom of worship because they were deprived of it for so long. I was surprised at how family oriented and traditional Maria is. Much moreso than most Italian girls. The Romanian language is a Latin tongue, and Maria already spoke Italian well when we met. In fact, she had lived in Italy for three years. She wasn't a 'mail-order' bride. It took me a long time, but I've finally found the love of my life!"
Stefano, 34, lives in Catania and is engaged to Larissa, 30, who's Russian. He had these strong (and uncensored) remarks about Italian attitudes: "It's very unfortunate that many Italian women view the Russian girls as opportunists or prostitutes. It's plain envy. The typical Sicilian girl doesn't know how to compete against a woman from a different culture. A lot of Sicilian girls I've met over the years play it coy and demure at home but will do almost anything with any foreign man when they're outside Italy. I know a pretty Sicilian tour guide in her mid thirties who has 'boyfriends' in London, Paris, New York and anyplace but Sicily. She actually hates Sicilian men, and considers us all 'pigs,' but she'd be the first person to criticise Larissa and other foreign girls who live in Italy and are happy with somebody like me. That 'holier than thou' attitude really annoys me because it seems to imply that single Sicilian women are all precious virgins while the foreigners are all worthless *****s. But Italian women often use sex or flirtation to get what they want. In Italy, even a woman being interviewed for a position as a teacher uses her nice legs and sultry smile to get the job! So the criticisms of foreign women seem hypocritical. In Russia, the role of women is a little different --in marriage but also in academic and professional life. What's important is that Larissa and I are happy with each other."
Roberto, 38, who lives outside Palermo, recently wed Sonya, now 31, who's from Belarus. "Most of my (male) friends who've met my wife envy me, not because Sonya is physically beautiful --though she certainly is-- but because she's a real person. With Sicilian women, I got tired of things like the girl who dated me three or four times before telling me she was having an affair with a married man in Catania on trial for Mafia association, and the girl who angrily accused me of being 'out of place' for sending her flowers after she had led me to think she wanted to go out with me. Then there was my longterm girlfriend, usually a really sweet girl, who got angry with me when I gave her a Christmas present --an expensive piece of jewellry-- that she didn't particularly like. That's when I began thinking about looking for romance outside Italy. Don't misunderstand me. There are good people here, but many Sicilian women are fickle or immature and it gets tiresome after twenty years. And I cannot tell you how many cheat on their husbands! I found that eastern Europe was a little different. Not necessarily better in every respect. There are cultural differences, naturally, but it's amazing how quickly my wife adapted to life in Italy."
About the Author: Marilù Romano has written for various Italian magazines. This is her first article for Best of Sicily, and it required extensive "in-the-field" research. Special thanks to the men who allowed her to interview them, and to Mira Ivanova
I hear you about the older models. I'm sure they are better in the sack, more liberated, etc, all. Some of them don't even look bad.
However, I just can't get behind the concept. Thinking long term, I don't want to bang a 50-55 year old wife when I could have a hot milf of 35 at 50. To each their own.
I was thinking about where the societal prohibition on older men/younger women came from. I'm thinking that it was backlash against the days when that was pretty much the standard (I'm a little weak in the history department...anyone else please feel free to correct me), with a pretty young daughter of 16-17 frequently married off to an established man of 30-40. Then the industrial revolution came along (again, pulling this out of my ass-feel free to correct my facts), and increased productivity allowed a young man to be paid enough to support a family.
B9K
You might be correct, with the Industrial Age came ALOT OF change in the traditional household in the US, combined with the move West from large east coast population centers.
The East Coast in general holds on to its old traditions hard, that's why alot of young easterners venture out west never to return to bitter weather and cold, closed attitudes about things like sex, interracial dating, et all.
Combine that train of thought with the Sexual Revolution and Feminist Movement and you have age lines that should never be crossed if your beyond an age group. Just like your generally looked at as some sort of failure for living with your parents, you're not allowed to mingle with women half your age, even if she's interested in you.
Only Donald Trump can get away with it, because he has enough money to bush off anything said by anybody in the media or political circles, plus his wife is hotter than yours.
Older women contact me, its not the other way around... Lonely empty nesters with College aged children from 1 or 2 previous relationships are looking to have a good time and basically do what they couldn't do when they were young and had a child hangin from each tit.
No longer interested in what people think of them, they engauge in alot of things nobody younger would even consider doing, like -
Swinging, Bi Sexuality, Anal sex, Squriting, and all the other "fun" stuff we find in Porn flicks but wish our providers or gf's did half as much, half as good.
I should also mention they give DAYUM good BBCJ's and swallowing is never an issue.
Its funny you find some of the same traits in older providers as well...
Funny, nobody mentioned how how much older GrandDad was over that "Ho" - "Feel the Burn, Biiitch" - A Pimp Named Slick Back
[QUOTE=Bart9000]I hear you about the older models. I'm sure they are better in the sack, more liberated, etc, all. Some of them don't even look bad.
However, I just can't get behind the concept. Thinking long term, I don't want to bang a 50-55 year old wife when I could have a hot milf of 35 at 50. To each their own.
I was thinking about where the societal prohibition on older men/younger women came from. I'm thinking that it was backlash against the days when that was pretty much the standard (I'm a little weak in the history department...anyone else please feel free to correct me), with a pretty young daughter of 16-17 frequently married off to an established man of 30-40. Then the industrial revolution came along (again, pulling this out of my ass-feel free to correct my facts), and increased productivity allowed a young man to be paid enough to support a family.
B9K[/QUOTE]
Kinda unrelated....
But I just got this -
[quote]Thank God she realised she was making a mistake and got rid of that. Well I know the Sweedes and Dainish women and finland women like them.. I know in General Russian women will have Nothing to do with them. Thank Christ for that. Most Russian prostitutes wont fuck them. They are told by their pimps that its ok if you dont want to fuck one of them. But everything else you must. ha ha ha I dont know I guess I was raised that color folk should stick to their own this myth that they are hung, the truth is the Arabs in general are the ones that are hung.. I must admitt the color girls usually have better looking bodies. But nothing beats the Rusian women in looks. Yes there are a few Russian women that crave them (God only knows why??) But they do DARE walk down the street with one or take it home to meet Mom or Dad.. thank Christ theres still a country that has some respect (nationalism ) and pride in their own Race. To be honest theirs a lot of skin heads in Russia especially in Saint Pete.. You see I live in Canada and what really picks my ass is all them black boys think the white women want them Yes theres always some white trash that has NO respect for them selves. But in General because they are Black they think they are special. ha ha ha thank Christ every morning I wake up and the first thing I say looking in the mirror thank God I am not black[/quote]
Maybe he forgot I was black?? I was kinda waiting for him to say "I hate them niggas..."
Here's the post he's talking about -
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1074[/url]
You should report that post to jackson.It's obvious the guy is an inconsiderate asshole.
The industrial revolution was part of the change. The other, major factor was, and is, education.
In a modern society, everyone needs to have a certain level of learning in order to be a useful, contributing member. That means grade 12 and hopefully some kind of further education (or vocational training) afterwards.
Guess what? That means the girl will usually be at least 20 years old before she's done with school. Otherwise, if some older guy scoops her up and they start having kids together when she's 18.... she'll be comparatively uneducated.
Also, a lot of parents and the girls themselves, want to meet a guy with good prospects. School is a good place for this to happen. We all know how much women like to keep their options open.
Plus, our society glorifies the adolescent state. It seems like everyone wants to play teenager until they're 29 and a half years old. Obviously, that wouldn't include hooking up with an older man for a long-term relationship.
Rock