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Indeed, over the months I have spent thousands of euro on the girl and she does a genuinely good session for me doing all the naughty things I like but she does not like anal that much and only does to please me per her words. Indeed she does look in pain when my cock is in her arsehole, asking only that I hurry up and come rather than prolong the anal fucking. I wonder if this is what Sirioja means by rude sex?
So all in all, I have paid probably the deposit on the Bucharest apartment but she does not seem to have any money.
[/QUOTE]The three girls that I "started" to develop feelings were girls for which I had an instant connection with. In other words, the first session was 50 EUR /30 min. The second session they offered either unpaid extras and / or free time inside / outside the room. Since the response from them was already warm by the time I had 50-200 EUR invested, I think I was able to more easily delude myself into believing that I offered them something more than money. I mean one girl, I had one 50 EUR sessions on the first night. Then she started giving me her 5 EUR cocktail coins so we could drink together, making it feel like a "normal interaction". Two hours and who knows how many drinks later, we did another 50 EUR /30 min session. I only considered those three "special". My problem is I force people to earn my trust. In the context of WG's, that means I am transfixed on the fact that they are only after my money. The burden is on them to prove otherwise, which the above-forementioned did to some degree.
As for other "traditional favorites", there have been girls that have gotten thousands of euros from me, but that was over the course of years. And I paid them essentially all based on standard pricing (except for the occasional waiving of fees for being five minutes over). I've never came close to developing feelings for them because I just can't get past seeing them as someone that performs a service for money (like a masseuse or housecleaner).
[QUOTE=Dufey;1742840]
I agree that a girl asking for tips and gifts can be a turn off but if you have feelings for a girl then it is hard to say no and have perspective if you have no one like you doing this hobby and can explain to them what is happening to make sure that you do not do things on a whim. I mean if a man has his own money with no calls on those assets like wives or children or other dependents then it can be easy to fritter cash away with nothing else to spend their money on.[/QUOTE]It is unclear as to what you were willing to tip or gift to a girl on a whim. But you're talking about needing other mongers to give you a sanity check. So in the past, you must have considered gifting something substantially expensive to a WG--even if only momentarily? If you are really serious about helping this WG with her apartment, that is your prerogative and your money. But I wouldn't just gift it to her in a lump sum. She might just run off with the money. Why not seek overnight sessions? Essentially, you are a making a commitment to "elite level" customer status. And she is actually earning that money.
You mention feelings. If those feelings are reciprocal, then she'd be willing to sacrifice things of value to her: time and money. Just curious--if you were to have an emergency like losing your passport and wallet, do you think she would drop everything, leave the club and go help you (loan you pocket money for a hotel, cab, etc)? Or if you told her your investments tanked and that you had to cut back the amount you spend on her over the next six months, would she cut back her services? Clearly she seems to be testing you, why not test her back?
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McAdonis has a good point. Don't bail her out but give her the opportunity to earn it.
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I thought there are typical stages punters go through. Like the newbie stages where the punter feels something special for the girl when running into a good service for the first time. At this stage, most vulnerable to getting sharked or spending a whole lot on this girl. Then after, getting with enough girls, realizes that there are other girls that offers similar level services. When girls find these men, it's like a jackpot.
If the girl sacrifices something, then it's plausible there is something there. If thousands of Euros invested, and girl gives up her ass? Sounds hardly like any illusion. Sounds like a really expensive extra. LOL.
I've had something similar happen on a second meeting with a girl, and she was tight, so I gave up.
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[QUOTE=CaptDan;1743027]However this telephone contact can very quickly develop into a friendship / acquaintanceship which is very likely to limit your freedom when you visit the establishment in which this particular girl works. I have often observed situations where a guy visiting the club in which his telephone friend works is limited to just going with this particular girl and no other working girl in that establishment. [/QUOTE]I never have or will let that happen. It's nice to know which favorite girls are working when and where. But that's it. Some girls tried the "and then you only go to the room with me and no other girl" on me. Failed.
HB.
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Really helpful and interesting experiences from everybody. It's very complicated since if it turns out a girl really has strong feelings that can be really difficult. One worker got to the point where she said that if people had sex then it meant they should be married: somehow she could have sex with other customers, no problem, but with me sex was only permissible if we got married. This also happened with another worker. It was a real nuisance. They were willing to meet and chat for free, but no more sex.
One time it got even wierder and one girl made it quite clear she didn't want me to visit FKKs at all.!
Less problematical recently a worker kept asking me to stay and making upset faces, so I said that living with her in a clubroom was both far too expensive and not a life: she howled with laughter. I said I had run out of money, at which point she decided it was to allow me leave.
Knowing people makes a great life :)
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[QUOTE=HessenBub;1743179]I never have or will let that happen. It's nice to know which favorite girls are working when and where. But that's it. Some girls tried the "and then you only go to the room with me and no other girl" on me. Failed.
HB.[/QUOTE]I know that you are extremely well versed in the world of FKK / Sauna Clubs (more than most) and I am sure that you do indeed use these contacts to very good advantage as I try to do myself. I was merely pointing out to our fellow ISG members that such contacts can also be occasionally disadvantageous if not used wisely! As we say in the old country " the old dog for the hard road and leave the pup on the path". I was not trying to teach you something which I am sure you already knew. Travel well fellow member.
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[QUOTE=Dufey;1742840]
Indeed, over the months I have spent thousands of euro on the girl and she does a genuinely good session for me doing all the naughty things I like but she does not like anal that much and only does to please me per her words. Indeed she does look in pain when my cock is in her arsehole, asking only that I hurry up and come rather than prolong the anal fucking. I wonder if this is what Sirioja means by rude sex?
.[/QUOTE]Now I feel lucky that the girl that I've spent thousands on this year only asked me for a new phone, she seems to be really kind in this comparison LOL.
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[QUOTE=HessenBub;1743179]Some girls tried the "and then you only go to the room with me and no other girl" on me. Failed.
HB.[/QUOTE]Me neither. I think it's ridiculous a girl that's servicing multiple men requiring the guys to only go with her. I had this happen with a new girl at a club. I didn't understand why she got upset I went with her friend. 2nd session, she would not kiss the same, and say she was upset that I asked her for her friend. Another girl got upset for a reason I still can't fathom. It may have been due to me going with another girl, and perhaps she wanted me to only go with her.
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some of my experiences
[QUOTE=Optimist;1743286]Really helpful and interesting experiences from everybody. It's very complicated since if it turns out a girl really has strong feelings that can be really difficult. One worker got to the point where she said that if people had sex then it meant they should be married: somehow she could have sex with other customers, no problem, but with me sex was only permissible if we got married. This also happened with another worker. It was a real nuisance. They were willing to meet and chat for free, but no more sex.
One time it got even wierder and one girl made it quite clear she didn't want me to visit FKKs at all.!
Less problematical recently a worker kept asking me to stay and making upset faces, so I said that living with her in a clubroom was both far too expensive and not a life: she howled with laughter. I said I had run out of money, at which point she decided it was to allow me leave.
Knowing people makes a great life :)[/QUOTE]It's really nice to learn that many of here share the the similar experiences or feelings. I started FKK alone, and most of my clubs partner were brought in by me, so when I faced some situations you guys mentioned, I was all on my own. Now I know I'm not alone LOL.
I was running into a good girl during my early visit, and she gave me the best time during that period, so I took her as my only girl and now I realize she probably took me as her jackpot;.
I've been asked for financial support by girls in vacations, with all kinds of excuses, and I sent several times by WU, mostly because I didn't know how to refuse, but the amount was small and I stopped at some point;.
Smartphone is the most frequent gift that girls have asked, the biggest one was a car, but never an apartment LOL;.
In every clubs I visit regularly, I've got some "girl friends", those are the girls that I'll never session with, but we share many nice conversations, playing games, diner sth. I tried to pay them some tips before but most of them refused the money, so now I just offer some free meal (like in Oase), cigarette, beer occasionally;.
I've traveled to Bucarest to visit a certain girl, luckily she waited for me outside the airport, we had some great days together without involving money. Though things changed later it's another story;.
One girl also brought about the marriage topic to me from late last year to early this year, until I figured out she's not joking, or at least half joking half serious. I started to keep away from her and to see her less and less and now no more, for the pressure she gave me (she told this to her friends as well) and some other unexpected reasons. The interesting thing is that now I think a lot about her, even more than the time when I saw her regularly. Maybe it's guilty or something;.
I keep personal contact with some girls, some are interested to chat with, some bother me too much; one only send sticks, one ignore me for days then reply with a long long message. BTW I no longer talk with the one who only sends me moving sticks, because I find it too stupid and boring: with her I didn't know how to reply but sending some sticks back as well, then our conversation went non-stop like this;.
I'm not sure if there are more but these seem to be all I can recall for the moment.
Every man has his own stories, it's always great to share and hear.
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Faceless, thank you for the entertaining, informative, and primarily helpful post.
Every relationship in life is two way, in the sense that each side has to get something out of it. The hard part comes when one side abuses their power.
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[QUOTE=Shark16;1744442]Wise words. Reading some reports, even by veterans (I am not thinking about Sirioja in particular), it seems pretty clear that the reporter cannot separate girl talk (ego boost talk to make you feel special) from facts. And, just to be clear, there is a absolutely no wrong in what the girl is doing: It's her job to charm and seduce you trying to hook you up and fuck your brains out you within 60 seconds (and to keep you interested after the deed). It's rather impressive sometimes. I wish I had the skills myself when going out on a Saturday night with regular girls! :)
Just a few examples:
- During slow sex: "I love it when you fuck me slow. You make sex feel so sensational. Not like the other clueless guys who just fuck so hard".
- During intense fucking (sometimes same girl): "Oh, it feels so good to be fucked by a real man. I am so tired of fucking old guys who do not have the power to fuck".
- Questioning the point of DATY when she has been fucking all day: "I fuck all day, but I never get stimulated. Guys are only thinking about their own pleasure". And then the guy go down on her (another 50 E earned).
- Making a guy feel guilty or being one of the few decent guys around by playing vulnerable to make you stay / come back more often: "There are no men around! This club is a failure!" (in fact, last night she had 20 lovers). "Can I sit with you? That guy over there freaks me out. I think he is a pimp / stalker". Yeah, right.
- Or she will make up stories how she needs money for her kids and family, or, if you show some interest, tell horror stories about threats by pimps. Or, that SHE does not have a pimp, but she knows that all the other girls have. Of course. That is an easy way of getting rid of competition. Can you separate girl talk from when she really speaks the truth? Always?
- I once complimented a girl (some incognito Oase girl) for her moves during sex. I had had a long day with too much fun and had problems cuming, but her moves were sensational and just sucked the last drops out of me making me climax very hard. She said that as a young girl in the business she needed to learn this quickly to survive, as too many guys just look for the youngest ones to fuck them as hard as they can. Knowing how to finish a guy fast can sometimes be crucial, although it appears that she is just enjoying it.[/QUOTE]Oh for sure. Charm give you an upper hand, and girls that use it well, helps their business. They are in a service industry after all. But, they have to have different type of charming skills than a car sales man or a business man of course. I think it's higher and difficulty level is high since they sometimes have to get the avg to worse looking guys off. Thinking about it, it is kinda like reverse roles. I was complaining about how some of the girls say the same crap, and it's pretty much like when the guys make some lame pick up lines. Some get creative, but if you heard enough of them, you start to question them a bit.
LOL. This one will work on me:
- Making a guy feel guilty or being one of the few decent guys around by playing vulnerable to make you stay / come back more often: "There are no men around! This club is a failure!" (in fact, last night she had 20 lovers). "Can I sit with you? That guy over there freaks me out. I think he is a pimp / stalker". Yeah, right.
I will be that white knight in the FKK club to be the protector. Yes siree. That is me, the non-scary one that smells real nice, and comfy like a teddy bear. LOL.
I had a girl like that as well, who after few days of doing multiple girls a day she amazingly got me to finish twice. She was erotic as hell, but also cold as hell outside the room. She don't approach guys and looks a bit stuck up, but one of those types that are a surprise. I don't recommend other guys to look for these surprise types, it doesn't happen frequently, and probably lots of bad sessions to run into one. I guess finishing guys off quick is an art form so that they can save their privates for more work. This is why experienced girls are weary of certain types like young guys. After some experience they will look for certain types, the easy ones.
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What works?
One clever girl has the brilliant idea of giving me songs about secret passions and lovers who have to part temporarily. It's like sending messages, but in a way which doesn't make her look exploitative. It works well on me.
What also works well on me are the more straightforward statements, if done well either with sincerity or feigned sincerity. Such as, you are special..., age does not count..., I have strong feelings for you..., I don't tell this to anybody else..., if you were not married... in a different life I would like to have seen if we could be together...I would like you to meet my mother....you look after your body...and so on. If badly done it is at least something to joke about, teasing her for bad acting. The most amazing ones are when a girl refuses to have sex because she says she has feelings for me.
I never believe these until the girl offers something for free, such as extended time.
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The most amazing ones are when a girl refuses to have sex because she says she has feelings for me.
[/QUOTE]Before the WG started refusing you, how long had you been a customer? How many sessions had you had leading up to the refusal?
[QUOTE=Optimist;1744544]
I never believe these until the girl offers something for free, such as extended time.
[/QUOTE]Concur. But I guess it all depends. A free 30 minute of time tacked onto a one hour session every once in a while would be a token gesture-if the customer had spent 5000 EUR on a girl over the course of the year. Airlines offer loyalty programs, why not WGs!!
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Blonde, Blue-Eyed Gypsy
This is an old news story but a few years back the police in Ireland took away a blonde, blue-eyed child from a Roma household. Later DNA tests proved that the child was indeed related to the Roma family:
[URL]http://www.thejournal.ie/tallaght-dna-1144053-Oct2013/[/URL]
Although rare, I suppose it is possible for gypsies to have such features. Makes you wonder how many FKK of your favorite girls lie about being gypsy or half-gypsy because they are light enough to pass for being a mainstream Romanian.
According to these figures, Roma make up 8. 6 percent of Romanian population:
[URL]http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss-cooperation-in-romania_in-roma-villages--between-poverty-and-hope-of-integration/41397610[/URL]
But we have to assume that they disproportionately represented among the poorest communities in Romania, so let's say that 15 percent of the people living below the poverty line in Romania are gypsy. As the poorest, and most-discriminated group, I would think that the gypsy in Romania have the greatest motivation to leave their country--provided they can scrap together enough money, or get financed by a "fish" or "manager".
Some of these girls--as children--may have been forced by their parents to beg for money or steal. Society has looked down upon them their whole lives. Perhaps they have even been verbally abused by complete strangers-so making the transition to being a working girl, probably is not a big deal for them.
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The term Gypsy derives from Egyptian supposedly, and they are actually group of nomadic people originated from India were mistakenly labeled as such. Parents can carry recessive Genes to produce offspring that look totally different racially.
I have met a Ro Gypsy at Oase that was proud of being one, and was wearing some gypsy outfit at the club, and showed me pictures of gypsy outfit on her smartphone. I took her since she seemed pretty attractive, and it turned out that she provided honest services, and no tricks or ripoff attempted. I've heard about Romani people in Italy that uses tricks to steal from tourists. I've heard that Ro don't like to say they are out from rural places. I guess it's an insult for a girl to say a girl is from outside the city, and is unsophisticated. Like for example, a girl may say, she is not from the city, she does everything. Something of that sorts I guess. I guess girls outside the city are looked down upon. I would guess Ro girls will not admit they are from outside the city as I don't think a Ro girl has ever told me other than a city. This could be due to it being easier to say the city name as it's more easily recognized. I guess stuff like this would be more common in some cultures, and developing or poor countries.