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[QUOTE=Smith Joe]When I registered it gave me a map. And I choose my place of residence as NY, USA. Is that the problem? Should I have said I was from Kiev?
Also, the site is the same that ITtravel always uses which is flirt.com. Ua.
[/QUOTE]I myself would put down Kiev if that's the city where you're going to be. It probably won't make a big difference because you will like only correspond with women you write to first. (No surprise: the 18-25 year olds will not be looking for you.) Eventually, they will ask "What brings you to the Ukraine? To Kiev? " so you might as well figure out what you're going to say.
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URL's for dating sites
[QUOTE=Dallim93]I am also trying to follow your directions to get into Flirt.com. The trouble I have is which site are you guys talking about.
Thank you for your time.[/QUOTE]There are three big databases for dating in the Ukraine. Each database appears under 2-12 different names and URL's. See this link to a previous post for a list.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=677964#post677964[/url]
It's not Flirt.com, but Flirt.ru which has about 10 million screenames.
The other two big ones are dating.ru and loveplanet.ru
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[QUOTE=Acolonizer]I discovered prices rose up about 50% in entertainment services in last months: for example the mint rhino strip bar in February was 60 grivnas/entry, instead now this is 100 grivnas/entry, prostitutes in February was 60$/first hour, instead now they are 100$/first hour. Crazy prices, above all about prostitutes because they usually have anal sex (and swallow blowjobs) with their boyfriends but they don't give her ass for customers paying crazy prices.
Now scamming has definitely become the favourite sport in Kiev! I have some regular girls that in the past they were good girls. But now they have become scammers too. In my opinion, there are a lot of ways for scamming, the classical way is to have a dinner in an expensive restaurant and to pay for her taxi transfers.
I am studying a strategy to waste their money as much as they wasted my money. .
In general, any girl doesn't deserve a gentleman. We have to be gentlemen just to fuck them and to throw them away when we have bored about them, in the same slavic male style. Or better, I explain what I see with my own eyes: girls in Kiev are used to be easy fuckable with their slavic men, whatever is the slavic men's behaviour. Instead girls in Kiev are used to be scammers with foreigners. I heard some users here are successfull with freebies but I am sure they have a slavic style to manage girls in Kiev.
A lot of funny/sad things I saw here in Kiev, maybe I will report in future. I am always ready to reply to private messages that I received but I would like a real information exchange among us.[/QUOTE]At least Acolonizer you have discovered the advantages of slavic style.
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AC (and Hecker), you are just wasting your time (and money) avoid the sl uts and ho's who don't fit your needs or who you know are probably scammers. Very easy to do. That's the real Slavic style Hecker.
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Yes that's true but it is hard to act as a Russian, first of all it is necessary to speak Russian well and to "assimilate" (does this word exist in English? ) their acting: when I see Slavic people talking among them, it seems to see actors in a movie, everything done by them is fake and is a part of a pretending game among them.
Sometimes, or often, here forumers misunderstand what I talk about. Therefore it is possible people don't understand what I am talking in next examples, this is a very important detail to understand how much different is Slavic mindset "mentalitet".
First example.
In November, I went to the street address of a prostitute but I didn't remember the number of her flat. So I asked to a person walking near there (of course, I didn't say she is a prostitute) and this person called the owner of that flat, Victor. Victor replied she ran away some months ago because he sent police to stop her business. Victor speaks Russian only and so he phoned her speaking-English daughter to translate to me. In last week, I met this prostitute again and again (I have a too good time with her and a very discounted price) and I discovered she is living at the same street address. You know, flat owners always know who is living in their flats. Therefore the situation is: Victor lied to me and her daughter, he doesn't want people and his family know he is connected in prostitution business and he acts as a tender father.
Second example.
In last week, I went to some massage salons and strip bars. Everybody, both foreigners and Ukrainians, said to me there is no sex inside those. I went out with some Ukrainians and they always repeated they don't know massage salons and stripbars with sex service. Instead I had sex in a massage salon and I saw blowjobs are usually provided in some strip bars to Ukrainians, to Ukrainans only, and for the same price of a private dance.
There is something important more to add here but I haven't time to report about that.
I am sorry for my English. Anyway the discover is one only: here forumers are discussing about crazy prices and River Palace and other sex services but the truth is that we are talking about a business built just for foreigners and these crazy prices, River palace etc. Are just stupids things for stupid foreigners and this forum is, often but not always, a big shop window of some businessmen. I am sure some mongers have good information about cheap sex in Kiev but there is no convenience to share them with the world.
[QUOTE=Hecker]At least Acolonizer you have discovered the advantages of slavic style.[/QUOTE]
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Yes Acolonizer. Because if you make all your contacts known, foreigners will spoil them. Basically the foreigners make a mistake slavic men do not do. They pay the girl before. Girls used to provide first and then get paid, for example you had sex with them and then they asked for presents, now they have learned that foreigners pay hoping and so can play game not providing since the payment is given beforehand. It was different. You will never experience the old good time. The basic is never get frightened. Think you are Acolonizer and your dick exceeds from Italy to Kiev. So there is no problem. Your dick is your advantage. This is the right thought frame.
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How do you stop someone at random on the street and ask someone where a flat is that you don't know the number to? Do you say, hey, I was at this apartment near here some time last week. Can you tell me where it is?
You had the number of the apartment owner? But not the mobile phone number of the girl?
I've been out with Ukrainians and Russians in Kiev and have yet to experience a 'local preference' at salons and strip clubs.
Does the Sun rise in the west and set in the east when you are in Kiev too?
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current pricing
I have not been to Kiev in 2 years but will be there for the last 2 weeks in May. I was hoping that someone would be kind enough to help me with the current pricing is for girls at RP. Any info on what the going rate is for a girl for the night will be greatly appreciated. I also have been reading the board and have not seen any information on any other good clubs to find beautiful working girls. Is there anywhere new worth mentioning?
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[QUOTE=Lego Maniac]I have not been to Kiev in 2 years but will be there for the last 2 weeks in May. I was hoping that someone would be kind enough to help me with the current pricing is for girls at RP. Any info on what the going rate is for a girl for the night will be greatly appreciated. I also have been reading the board and have not seen any information on any other good clubs to find beautiful working girls. Is there anywhere new worth mentioning?[/QUOTE]
Lego have you read the last 3 pages? its mentioned about eight times.
Bascially it far more expensive than 2 years ago, if you are not hard nosed and dont care if you go home alone!
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OK I am here and always ready to learn from everybody . . . can you explain which good words i need to say for getting a blowjob in a strip bar?
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]I've been out with Ukrainians and Russians in Kiev and have yet to experience a 'local preference' at salons and strip clubs.[/QUOTE]
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Leggo my Eggo
Yeah Lego, what board have you been reading. All your questions are answered already.
River Palace, Arena, Decadence. $100-$500 depending on the girl, you and where you are.
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ummmm
You guys are giving them way too much credit. Their "technique" is usually just lazy and oafish and a product of growing up in an environment where men rule by default and women are a dime a dozen.
Actually, Slavic style is something like this:
"красота требует жертв! от 10 тысяч $ в месяц"
One of their biggest advantages is language. 90% of us can't communicate in Russian/Ukrainian. If you are speaking English you are either going to be with girls:
1) who like to speak English for practice or prestige (like students or young professionals or girls who hate life in Ukraine),
2) who actually like you for some inexplicable reason and speak English to accomodate you
3) who speak English because they know you are a foreigner they can fool and cheat and laugh about it later with their friends
You might get lucky and just meet girls in category 1 and 2... but if you are unlucky you are going to stumble across mostly girls in category 3. They are multiplying in Kiev at an alarming rate.
As for foreigners vs. locals in strip clubs, some locals have an advantage, some don't. I think one of the most significant advantages is the fact that many of us foreigners treat strippers as some sort of heavenly angel with a heart and soul, whereas the locals tend to treat them as pieces of meat, pets that do tricks or goods that are bought and sold. The truth is somewhere in between, but the guys treating the girls like a dog are going to get her to do more tricks than the guys just lapping up her charity time.
Just as often though, you'll be in a strip club without local politico high-rollers and just be there with some Vlad Normalno-type cheapskates and the girls will figure that out quickly and ignore them. Money talks... and it doesn't have to be much. Some local guys come to the club with just enough money for beer and nothing else. Drinking beer is fine, but having 10-20 grv here and there for the girls works wonders.
Besides the language, cultural attitude and money factors, some girls are just genuinely afraid of their local men. Nobody is afraid of foreigners. Fear is a significant motivational factor in the ho-ing business.
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Doctor Skank, all good you wrote, but my question remains: which words are necessary to get a blowjob without lies and delays.
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All this strip club talk
So someone a few weeks back posted about a strip club "Rancho". I had a chance to check it out and it’s a bit outside the center but I feel worth the drive.
Entry is 80h and what you get is a mostly private (id imagine on the weekends it’s busy) strip show with 7 or 8 girls (1 fat one the rest where stripper HOT! ). The show itself is 1 hour and seems to be choreographed. They come up to you rub tits and ass in your face and allow you to touch and poke (or at least they did not say no to me). It is only topless but that’s ok. They also change into different outfits during the show.
At the end they bring you on stage and strip you naked and dance around you. Kinda an interesting twist! Then after that they line up and you select which one you want. I think it was $120 for 1 hour or $200 for all night (they go to your place).
The Rancho place itself is pretty nice. They have a restaurant, live bands (weekends only I think), saunas, and some other jazz.
Next time I’m feeling like a hoe or strip show I will definitely come here. Their English was not the greatest but then again your 25km outside the center.
Very nice girls. Telos approved! I’m going back tomorrow so I will report if anything interesting happens. If it’s just me and my friends in this room I’m going to take Crusier D’s patented ass slap to the next level and try the patented Telos whip the cock out of the pants (worked at Seamless in Las Vegas).
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I look forward to checking it out the next time I'm in Kiev. I was going to go a few months ago but I got too busy. :)
I like the cowboy motif, I just love girls in hats.