Stupid shit in Medellin

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2466242]Also, do a search "domestic violent during covid". Believe me they are related or do you want me to walk you through it.[/QUOTE]No I don't believe you. You are a monger talking out of your ass, but what else is new? All the evidence I find goes the other way, that COVID is bring families together. Fun Luvr or whatever said a guy down the street from him shot his wife, but that proves nothing, except maybe on a barstool. So back up what you are saying or take a seat. You are the one with the positive claim, so the burden of proof is on you.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2466469]You haven't "backed up" anything, no links, no data, nada, only monger forum pseudo-intellectualism, and that's being generous. This plague is small time compared to the big boys, like the Bubonic Plagues of the Middle Ages or Yellow Fever epidemics of the 19th see. Such happen, are part of recorded history from the beginning like hurricances. You've provided no data to support any idea that suicides have increased recently, but even if you did it likely wouldn't mean much. Elvis is ready to commit suicide because he no longer can access cheap Latin American pussy. Anyone that takes such an action over this has some fucked up priorities in life.[/QUOTE]Well that did not take long.

FCC unanimously approves 988 as new three-digit suicide prevention hotline.

The vote to create a national three-digit hotline, held Thursday morning, was unanimous among FCC commissioners some of whom acknowledged the strains caused by*the COVID-19 pandemic.

THREE times as many USA Adults reported symptoms of*serious*psychological distress*in April compared with two years earlier, according to*a study*in the medical journal JAMA.

I guess you can say that I am well ahead of the curve.

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/16/988-fcc-approves-3-digit-number-new-suicide-prevention-hotline/5451284002/[/URL]

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2467711]Well that did not take long.

FCC unanimously approves 988 as new three-digit suicide prevention hotline.

The vote to create a national three-digit hotline, held Thursday morning, was unanimous among FCC commissioners some of whom acknowledged the strains caused by*the COVID-19 pandemic.

THREE times as many USA Adults reported symptoms of*serious*psychological distress*in April compared with two years earlier, according to*a study*in the medical journal JAMA.

I guess you can say that I am well ahead of the curve.

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/16/988-fcc-approves-3-digit-number-new-suicide-prevention-hotline/5451284002/[/URL][/QUOTE]Didn't take long for you to come back with a big fat zero. When you click on the "psychological distress" article it's all about Black Live Matter and, stupid sub 70 IQ redneck cops shooting unarmed fleeing suspects in the back or defending corroded old statues of losers like Robert E. Lee. When you have some evidence of a spike in suicides, national, peer reviewed let me know. And when the same doesn't coincide with normal yearly increases. Monger board intellectualism, got to love it. Lolol And for the record, when you shoot off your mouth the burden of proof is on you. That's the name of the game.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2467711]Well that did not take long.

FCC unanimously approves 988 as new three-digit suicide prevention hotline.

The vote to create a national three-digit hotline, held Thursday morning, was unanimous among FCC commissioners some of whom acknowledged the strains caused by*the COVID-19 pandemic.

THREE times as many USA Adults reported symptoms of*serious*psychological distress*in April compared with two years earlier, according to*a study*in the medical journal JAMA.

I guess you can say that I am well ahead of the curve.

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/16/988-fcc-approves-3-digit-number-new-suicide-prevention-hotline/5451284002/[/URL][/QUOTE]So the suicide number is 988 now? Gotcha. At least you now know the number to call after Trump is a one termer. Get down on it.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qchPLaiKocI[/URL]

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2467711]Well that did not take long.

FCC unanimously approves 988 as new three-digit suicide prevention hotline.

The vote to create a national three-digit hotline, held Thursday morning, was unanimous among FCC commissioners some of whom acknowledged the strains caused by*the COVID-19 pandemic.

THREE times as many USA Adults reported symptoms of*serious*psychological distress*in April compared with two years earlier, according to*a study*in the medical journal JAMA.

I guess you can say that I am well ahead of the curve.

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/16/988-fcc-approves-3-digit-number-new-suicide-prevention-hotline/5451284002/[/URL][/QUOTE]That was too easy. Before I begin, I have a question. Do your fingers get stained red when you cherry pick, or do you wear gloves?

Paulie and I don't agree often, but we both recognize a logical fallacy.

Let's start with the suicide hotline. The FCC has been considering the proposal since last August. It won't be fully implemented until 2023. At both ends this eliminates the shutdown as the driving force. It doesn't even get full credit for the unanimous approval, as the protests and riots were mentioned as well. At most the current crisis changed approval to unanimous approval.

I haven't read the study yet, but you screwed the pooch on this one. What were the numbers 1 year ago? What has been the average monthly increase over the 2 year period. The way it's presented insinuates no change for a years, then a sudden threefold increase. Let's leave that at highly unlikely.

But that's not the biggest problem. The biggest problem is your claim the shutdown will triple the number of suicides. Yet, April was at the beginning of the shutdown. That's much too early to assign 100% of the cause to the continuing shutdown.

Of course "serious psychological distress" doesn't equal suicide or even thoughts of suicide. While the pandemic probably was the biggest contributor, there are many different issues. Schools were closed, businesses were closing. The White House was saying everything was under control, when clearly it wasn't. Financial uncertainty. Events cancelled. Sports cancelled.

Sports cancelled.

If you know any sports fans, there's your serious psychological distress.

Sorry, but you weren't ahead of the curve. You just drove off into left field.

It's worth noting that there are still people who experience distress over 9/11 after almost 19 years. There are people who experience distress over the Holocaust, who weren't alive at that time. Psychological distress can be triggered by anything, but it's not necessarily a bad thing. In many instances it's a part of the stress release process.

Obviously, the COVID-19, the racial unrest, the shutdown, the economy and everything else are causing distress. However, you're trying to assign "magic pill" status to opening everything back up. That's unwarranted. Here's just one example:

Former game show host and staunch Trump supporter, Chuck Woolery had this to say last Sunday:

"The most outrageous lies are the ones about Covid 19. Everyone is lying. The CDC, Media, Democrats, our Doctors, not all but most, that we are told to trust. I think it's all about the election and keeping the economy from coming back, which is about the election. I'm sick of it. ".

Obviously, distressed over the shutdown. Then on Wednesday he had this to say before deactivating his Twitter account:

"To further clarify and add perspective, Covid-19 is real and it is here."

"My son tested positive for the virus, and I feel for of those suffering and especially for those who have lost loved ones. ".

Again, obviously distressed, but now it's over worry about his son, his son's family, perhaps over his own health. At this point, if his son develops symptoms and ends up in the hospital, I suspect he would be more distressed over ending the shutdown. Because at this point, Trump's reelection campaign is far from his thoughts.

If current plans continue school will be in session in about 6 weeks. Assuming nothing changes from where we currently are with the shutdown, it's likely we'll be seeing some bad numbers at that time. Again, I'd love to be wrong. How much psychological distress will there be when kids start coming home with symptoms? Is it just the flu? Is it COVID-19?

My opinion is, if we had stuck to the full lockdown until now, if we had mandated masks for everyone in May, we'd be seeing a light at the end of the tunnel. Instead of pushing close to 1,000 deaths daily, and rising, we'd be counting a few dozen. We'd be in a position to open up, with masks, with reasonable precautions and we could be focusing on contact tracing and isolation protocols.

We didn't do that. We had the President encouraging people to force states to open up. We had the President and Vice President refusing to wear masks. We have and continue to have an active disinformation campaign against using masks, against maintaining social distancing and against taking the virus seriously. When it comes to pandemic response plans, we're off with Alice in Wonderland.

The longer we avoid facing reality, the longer this is going to keep us all from doing what we want.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2467520]The fact that someone killed his wife and son and blamed it on Covid19 is just as relevant as the article by someone who wrote that Covid19 has brought his family closer together. Both are about those individuals' families, not a broader population.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2467711]THREE times as many USA Adults reported symptoms of*serious*psychological distress*in April compared with two years earlier, according to*a study*in the medical journal JAMA.

I guess you can say that I am well ahead of the curve.[/QUOTE]The funny thing about having a global conspiracy is how many foolish people accept it and deny its existence. Two doctors talked about the damaging effects of the lockdown on youtube and got 5 million plus views. This is what companies like google / you tube are supposed to want, a video driving traffic to their site.

It was taken down because google said that you tube would not show videos in opposition to the WHO platform. That is how governments censor. They go after private companies that give the citizens a platform. That is when I knew something was up. Someone actually posted a video of google management having a meeting with its employees on the day Trump lost and Hiliary won. It had the atmosphere of a funeral.

Gaining control is ridiculously simple. You take people's freedoms away and get yourself power through fear. The government scares us and then we concede power to them in order for them to protect us. I cannot remember one time where we should have feared the thing the government scared us about more than the government itself. Since 9/11, it has been security, security, security. Eric Snowden came across a document that only a very few in government were allowed to see. It pretty much ruined the USA as a republic and made us it into a dictatorship. Of course, he was deemed a traitor and is holed up in Russia. People do not even know why. He was supposed to be a threat to the American citizens yet no one has died at the hands of information Snowden released.

What Snowden said was that the document that invalidated the constitution was designed to protect us from terrorism. In reality, it did nothing for terrorism but was great to fight descent. This document invalidated the USA Constitution, the blueprint for the greatest form of government ever created not perfect but greatest. It has gotten so bad that whenever anyone mentions having civil rights, it is presumed the person is guilty or doing something wrong. Snowden, who literally put his life on the line for freedom, has been exiled, and the powers that be, the dictators, would love to try him not with a jury of his peers, no the powers that be would never allow that, but in a military tribunal that the elitist's controls.

So when I say there is a global conspiracy based on the fact that four educated women in four different countries are terrified of dying from Covid when they are in their 20's and have little to fear, shouldn't we be worried again that global elites are pushing an agenda to enrich their power at the cost of our freedom once again?

No, of course not. One guy says the women are just stupid and for some reason, they are stupid because he knows a woman in Thailand who does not wear a helmet and is stupid and therefore these four women in four different countries must be stupid. I am a loser for knowing these women somehow, and instead of anyone recognizing how illogical and ridiculous this was, there was a piling on effect by other guys.

In reality, if any of these men met said women, they would be drooling all over them. The truth is if you want a truly stupid woman. You would ask, "Are you afraid of Covid? And they would respond, "Covid? What is that?

The new world order is a global elitist dictatorship, and if these guys cannot see that, then that is their problem. It is a waste of time debating them and raising objections to the elite manipulation. They refuse to believe the global elitists could be incompetent or acting in their own self interests despite the abundant evidence otherwise.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2467957]
The longer we avoid facing reality, the longer this is going to keep us all from doing what we want.[/QUOTE]What is reality? Is freedom or privacy more important than lives? It seems to me people can't agree on what is more important to make the sacrifice. Which government do you think care more about their people's lives? The countries with less deaths or the countries with more deaths?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2467988]The funny thing about having a global conspiracy is how many foolish people accept it and deny its existence. Two doctors talked about the damaging effects of the lockdown on youtube and got 5 million plus views. This is what companies like google / you tube are supposed to want, a video driving traffic to their site.

It was taken down because google said that you tube would not show videos in opposition to the WHO platform. That is how governments censor. They go after private companies that give the citizens a platform. That is when I knew something was up. Someone actually posted a video of google management having a meeting with its employees on the day Trump lost and Hiliary won. It had the atmosphere of a funeral.

Gaining control is ridiculously simple. You take people's freedoms away and get yourself power through fear. The government scares us and then we concede power to them in order for them to protect us. I cannot remember one time where we should have feared the thing the government scared us about more than the government itself. Since 9/11, it has been security, security, security. Eric Snowden came across a document that only a very few in government were allowed to see. It pretty much ruined the USA as a republic and made us it into a dictatorship. Of course, he was deemed a traitor and is holed up in Russia. People do not even know why. He was supposed to be a threat to the American citizens yet no one has died at the hands of information Snowden released.

What Snowden said was that the document that invalidated the constitution was designed to protect us from terrorism. In reality, it did nothing for terrorism but was great to fight descent. This document invalidated the USA Constitution, the blueprint for the greatest form of government ever created not perfect but greatest. It has gotten so bad that whenever anyone mentions having civil rights, it is presumed the person is guilty or doing something wrong. Snowden, who literally put his life on the line for freedom, has been exiled, and the powers that be, the dictators, would love to try him not with a jury of his peers, no the powers that be would never allow that, but in a military tribunal that the elitist's controls.

So when I say there is a global conspiracy based on the fact that four educated women in four different countries are terrified of dying from Covid when they are in their 20's and have little to fear, shouldn't we be worried again that global elites are pushing an agenda to enrich their power at the cost of our freedom once again?

No, of course not. One guy says the women are just stupid and for some reason, they are stupid because he knows a woman in Thailand who does not wear a helmet and is stupid and therefore these four women in four different countries must be stupid. I am a loser for knowing these women somehow, and instead of anyone recognizing how illogical and ridiculous this was, there was a piling on effect by other guys.

In reality, if any of these men met said women, they would be drooling all over them. The truth is if you want a truly stupid woman. You would ask, "Are you afraid of Covid? And they would respond, "Covid? What is that?

The new world order is a global elitist dictatorship, and if these guys cannot see that, then that is their problem. It is a waste of time debating them and raising objections to the elite manipulation. They refuse to believe the global elitists could be incompetent or acting in their own self interests despite the abundant evidence otherwise.[/QUOTE]Unbelievable that someone could buy into this sort of "global conspiracy to take away freedom". And while it is happening under Trump, it is not universal under other democracies.

Covid is a virus, the people with knowledge of the science are giving the best advice they can, and most governments in the world are trying to balance the deaths and destruction of the virus against the damages being done to their economies. With the US being a big exception. No balance there, everything politicized and divided, rudderless.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2468008]What is reality? Is freedom or privacy more important than lives? It seems to me people can't agree on what is more important to make the sacrifice. Which government do you think care more about their people's lives? The countries with less deaths or the countries with more deaths?[/QUOTE]If there was an invading army people would probably be begging the government to give them instruction and information on what they need to do to stop it. Seems in some countries it does not work that way with an invading virus.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2468031]Unbelievable that someone could buy into this sort of "global conspiracy to take away freedom".[/QUOTE]When this kind of stuff is said they can not actually mean global. Most people that talk this kind of shit have never even been anywhere to experience how other countries on the globe function. When the shit happened here in Thailand they went into action and shut everything down. It was mandated that everyone must wear masks outside or there was a fine and/or jail time. There was a curfew put into place and people could not congregate in groups. 58 people died. There are just over 3,000 documented cases, with half of those coming from Thais that have been arriving back home from other countries. Now nobody has the virus and almost everything (except for big sports venues) is back open. So much for the GLOBAL conspiracy to take away freedom.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2468050]When this kind of stuff is said they can not actually mean global. Most people that talk this kind of shit have never even been anywhere to experience how other countries on the globe function. When the shit happened here in Thailand they went into action and shut everything down. It was mandated that everyone must wear masks outside or there was a fine and/or jail time. There was a curfew put into place and people could not congregate in groups. 58 people died. There are just over 3,000 documented cases, with half of those coming from Thais that have been arriving back home from other countries. Now nobody has the virus and almost everything (except for big sports venues) is back open. So much for the GLOBAL conspiracy to take away freedom.[/QUOTE]The problem with every conspiracy theory is they require much more than any of the conspiracy theorist can fathom in order to work. In this case, every employee, in every hospital, every family member, friend and co-worker of every victim, every funeral director, every company that makes caskets. All of them have to coordinate together to craft a consistent story. That's in virtually every country around the world. Next add in every business owner, from the mom and pop restaurant to the largest corporations in the world, all agreeing to voluntarily shut down, all with the singular goal of getting Trump out of office.

That's billions of people, all secretly communicating and coordinating and keeping the secrets.

Sure thing.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2468008]What is reality? Is freedom or privacy more important than lives? It seems to me people can't agree on what is more important to make the sacrifice. Which government do you think care more about their people's lives? The countries with less deaths or the countries with more deaths?[/QUOTE]Reality is what remains when you take away the filters of perception and prejudice. Watch any video of a confrontation. Now read the comments. It's hard to believe everyone watched the same thing, because responses vary widely. Everything we see is altered by our perception.

A girl I know in Medellin wanted to know if I knew anything that would remove a scar. The scar is 5 inches long and almost an inch wide in the middle. It's in an obvious spot and I never noticed it before. Now it's the first thing I notice. Perception.

Viruses don't have perception. They deal with simple reality. Liberal, conservative, young or old, the virus can't tell the difference. All it knows is whether or not it's found a host.

That's reality. There's a virus. It's real. It's potentially deadly. It's contagious. It's a serious problem. We can argue over how deadly, or how contagious, but reality and the virus aren't listening.

Privacy, like justice is a human construct. It's a matter of perception. Each of us has different beliefs about our own privacy. That makes it hard to discuss objectively.

Freedom is another story. You're free to do anything you want to do. Anything you can imagine, you have the freedom to try. If you want to fly to Medellin today, you can do it, or make the attempt. What's always misunderstood is that your freedom doesn't obligate anyone else. You're free to not wear a mask, but the store isn't required to let you in. You're free to practice your religion, but you're not free to force others to practice it.

Each government takes action based upon the voices that government listens to. Some listen to the citizens, some listen to the scientists, some listen to the corporations. Some appear to be listening to the voices in their heads.

What's more important to sacrifice? Human life or the economy? That's the choice that people keep tossing out. However, you're really sacrificing both. Damage to the economy affects human life. Massive loss of human life hurts the economy.

My view is that the economy isn't something you can kill. No matter how long things are shutdown the economy will recover. Not only does it recover, boom times follow. The Renaissance followed the black death. The roaring 20's followed the Spanish influenza.

People, on the other hand, don't recover from death. Six months from now they won't be digging themselves out of the graves and celebrating.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2468191]Reality is what remains when you take away the filters of perception and prejudice. Watch any video of a confrontation. Now read the comments. It's hard to believe everyone watched the same thing, because responses vary widely. Everything we see is altered by our perception.

A girl I know in Medellin wanted to know if I knew anything that would remove a scar. The scar is 5 inches long and almost an inch wide in the middle. It's in an obvious spot and I never noticed it before. Now it's the first thing I notice. Perception.

Viruses don't have perception. They deal with simple reality. Liberal, conservative, young or old, the virus can't tell the difference. All it knows is whether or not it's found a host.

That's reality. There's a virus. It's real. It's potentially deadly. It's contagious. It's a serious problem. We can argue over how deadly, or how contagious, but reality and the virus aren't listening.

Privacy, like justice is a human construct. It's a matter of perception. Each of us has different beliefs about our own privacy. That makes it hard to discuss objectively.[/QUOTE]Great report, but I have to disagree on the economies recovery. I think some counties may not recover or it will take years. I honestly feel when it is all said and done the financial issues will end up be much worse then the actual virus. Especially is the media keeps lying.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2468191]Reality is what remains when you take away the filters of perception and prejudice. Watch any video of a confrontation. Now read the comments. It's hard to believe everyone watched the same thing, because responses vary widely. Everything we see is altered by our perception.

A girl I know in Medellin wanted to know if I knew anything that would remove a scar. The scar is 5 inches long and almost an inch wide in the middle. It's in an obvious spot and I never noticed it before. Now it's the first thing I notice. Perception.
[/QUOTE]I think you will like the way the governor explaining thing using numbers

[URL]https://twitter.com/tatereeves/status/1282783825219682304[/URL]

There is a school of thought in science that builds a model for reality based on observation. Stephen Hawking is one of the scientists who use this approach. When the model is successful in explaining everything then it is considered to be true.

Do you think Americans stranded in communist countries like Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, or even China are in a hurry go back to US now? The answer can be either way but I think it shows the irony in that people have more freedom because they are willing to sacrifice some freedom.