Crazier,
Many thanks for your feedback! For me there is no "negative" feedback, just feedback how other people see me and so the chance to correct negative things.
[QUOTE=Crazier]LW123.
Both of us seem to make a beeline for the “newbie” (young girls without make up etc). Those kinds of girls we end up picking do not usually correlate well with the skills & adventurous sexual stuff that you consider as part & parcel of their job.
Quite often, their early initiation into sex in their village with their boyfriends are more “wham bang thank you mamm” from what I know. [/QUOTE]I know that from such a "natural" looking girl, who in most time is a newbie on scene, I can not get the whole sex menu and I can live with it as I am more into GFE. E.g., three weeks ago I ran into a girl in one of the BBS here in ZMT; the night, the action was like "monkey sex" and I was really exhausted the next days. But, I don't want this again, at least now. I was missing something during this night, something what my "regular" in CP gave me three nights.
Concerning "wham bang thank you mamm", you maybe remember that when I talk with the girls I mostly ask them if the want/like the chinese version of sex - "ah-ah-ah-ah-mei dan" - or the western (my) version - "aaaaaaaahh-aaaaaaaahh", the "feeling" experience. Of course the girls were laughing about this, saying that they like the western version, but I know that mostly all of them, even not all, are not looking for western/feeling sex, it's an awful biz and the goal is "get out as much as possible within short time!".
[QUOTE=Crazier]1) The mamasan & the girl (as pushed by the mamasan) will always tell you that they will be willing to do everything before you take them out & hope to get away with less.[/QUOTE]That's a kind of "marketing" and who would not do it. As a foreigner I have their excuse for less or bad service hanging/standing with me.C'est la vie.
[QUOTE=Crazier]Otherwise, you may want to modify your expectations & bear with the less experienced girls & learn to break them in “one trick at a time”? Where you are lucky to meet someone who takes to sex naturally, its just your good luck I believe.[/QUOTE]That's part of this "game", that's the reason why I take my time to get to know the girls as much as possible within short time in the shop. With good and bad experiences you get your "nose" to start talking with the right one, but in this biz there is always space and time for surprises - good and bad ones.
I wrote down three girl on my last day and "it comes, as it comes" the next time in CP (pre-condition these girls are still there or not on one week off).
[QUOTE=Crazier]As for crying & sad stories, there are enough of them around with each & every girl. I do not encourage anyone from getting mentally involved in their trials & tribulations or there would be no end. You were indeed generous and more than fair to give her the full LT fee despite the lack of personal satisfaction![/QUOTE]At least this night has for me a good end now, because she called me today, we are talking with each other - nothing better can happen after such sitaution.
[QUOTE=Crazier]The girl who “ran out on you” because you were “BIG” was total bullshit alright.
What you did was right in demanding the money back from the Mamasan except that I would have myself been just as firm without speaking as loudly or threatening to call the Cong An.
Mamasan knows for sure her girl was wrong & will give you the money once she realizes that you will not settle for less.
As OAH explained, her commission of 100yuans would have been shared numerous ways & when she had to refund to you, it was a loss for her too! All she had to understand was that your frustration & loss was bigger than hers in terms of time, & other expenses. The fact that she was unable to offer a girl that was reliable & not a runner is HER FAULT not yours!
There was no need to threaten her. That is why I felt there was a need to change your room back in your hotel just to be safe in case she wanted to take revenge for the humiliation in public.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this feedback of the situation from your POV. I also was thinking a short moment, that my reaction was not a proper one. But after my experiences here in China with things like "losing your face" and the fact that this cost me a lot of money in NE China, I am now seeing such situations from my POV of a foreigner.
In case I humiliated her in public, I only can ask "Why was she forcing it? Why was she not given back the money after I demanded it and refused another girl?". I don't know if you ever watched such money or problem related situation between chinese people, what you could see was harmless. It was harmless, because I know that I am a guest in this country and so have to settle this problem with "words" only. This doesn't mean that I would have done it in another way. I am far away from this and leaving the scene before it comes to such situation.
Furthermore, I am not part of their background biz. I don't know and can't take care what is going on behind the scene. They have to settle this problem themselves with the girl, who was the trigger for this situation.
We are good regular "customers" when the service is satisfying us, the girls service and/or mamas service. They have to learn this. Remember the situation in one of the other shops in this alley on my last day when you, Bill and I went for a shopping tour there. When doing biz, for many, many chinese people there is only "win-lose", never "win-win". In the past I was on the "lose" side, lost my part, and don't want to be there anymore (I can not avoid it totally).
Anyway, many thanks that you accompanied me. Alone, I think I would have given up after a short while, because as foreigner and being alone you don't have a good position in such situation and location.
But what I can tell you is, that in case I will have such situation again, I will try to settle it without being on DEFCON 2 myself. Never say never again, maybe the next time when I have such situation, mama knows what is going on.
[QUOTE=Crazier]The other new girl from Jenny’s house in Yalan who was hiding under the blanket & spitting on the floor turned out to be BAD again for you & you kicked her out quite rightly.
“Fake Blow Job”
Hahah, if a girl can fake it so good, I would want to experience it. I think you were a mite too impatient. I would have let her carry on & took it from there!
As for spitting on the floor of your room, it would not be the first time I have experienced such raw uncouth acts in China. My ex GF in Zhuhai was spitting on the floor of a fine restaurant where we were & I was truly shamed & taken aback. I had to explain to her how unbecoming it was. Ultimately, she LOST ME after that incident! But, I still stayed the course of dinner & enjoyed it too plus the sex after for all of two trips before I dumped her!
These girls are truly from the village & uneducated in the ways of us modern folks. No need to shout at them. Rather to explain to them that if they want to spit, they should do it in the toilet bowl or into a properly line trash-can & why! And, ask her to clean up the spitting in a nice way! At least, it helps me understand why my HK friend insists on wearing slippers in the hotel’s room instead of walking around barefoot like me!
Anyway, the series of your bad experiences with her did not help obviously.
As for her pulling a blanket over her head when you wanted to fuck, that’s an interesting reaction. Considering that it’s the second time she was doing it (first the blow job & then the fuck job) perhaps, she truly cannot bear to be looked at by a man while getting fucked or giving a BJ![/QUOTE]Impatient or not impatient. Concerning the behavior of spitting on the floor, explaining why we don't want this does not really help is at least my experience. In this specific case I was also not in a good mood after the "can you imagine what i am doing under the blanket with you friend"-show. So, I decided it was time for a "boot camp" experience for her. If this was good or not, I really don't know, at least I did not kick her out with empty hands.
I have to admit that my "behavior" in a paid sex situation here in China is shaped from bad experiences during the first time here in China (NE CN), when I did not speak Chinese and not knowing the local rules.
One of this experience is, that when the girl sees/feels that you don't know what is going on, what are the local rules and have a "heart" you are lost. I still have a "heart" but I think to know what is going on.
So I was more than surprised and happy to meet this wonderful girl on Saturday evening after the trouble with this Mama and I gave it back to her in the way she accompanied me three evenings/nights.
[QUOTE=Crazier]My comments here is to give you my inputs & thoughts so that you can enjoy the women of China in CP, ZMT or anywhere better![/QUOTE]As I already wrote above, I really appreciate your feedback and hope to meet you again, whenever and wherever.
Wish you nice stays in Thailand, KL and wherever you will be before you come back to CN.
Thanks also to OAH (unfortunately only for short times), AG, Bill, Santa and Wadman for accompany, showing me new places (HuiMei Massage will be visited again, don't worry AG I don't have the number of your "PM" in mind), having fun together.
LW