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4th Artemis visit
I returned to Artemis for my 4th visit today and was a little disappointed.
It may have been due to the bad weather or it may just be that I have not visited on a Wednesday before.
On arrival in the mid afternoon there were not very many girls there (maybe 15) and the male/female ratio was bout 3 to 1. Not only that I had forgotten that I had read on here somewhere that Wednesday's is a lingerie day so there was less bare flesh to be seen. Actually in some ways that is not true as it must have been large girls day also as most were quite buxom and not really my type
I first relaxed with a sauna and a couple of drinks before being entranced by Lekkie (not sure if that is the correct spelling) from Thailand. She gave me a wonderful 10 minute massage followed by some heavenly sex in 69, doggie and all prefaced by some incredible BBBJ.
I then spent some more time in the sauna and relaxing by the pool before meeting Ena form Hungary in the kino. We petted and she gave me some BBBJ in the kino before we retired to a room where she was not as good as Lekkie as she claimed that she was very sensitive to the touch so we only performed very limited DATY and tit sucking but riding her doggie was a really good experience.
I don't know whether I should post it here or perhaps in the Berlin thread, but later this evening I tried La Folie for the first time. I thought I had made a big mistake when I realised that none of the girls spoke English and my German is non existant. However I got into a weird English/German conversation with Marie and Bianca, eventually asking Bianca who was not a particularly stunning brunette to go to a room with me. WOW! That was my best decision of the day. She is a little belter. We romped around the bed in numerous positions and actually had more than the allotted 30 minutes without extra charge. We retired to the bar where she wanted to continue to cuddle and kiss at the expense of only a piccolo at 19 euros. I will most definitely be going back there given the chance to see if I can learn some more German or to teach Bianca some more English.
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Messe and Artemis
Hi,
The trip I had was cancelled and I will be free on the 12th. However, there is a Messe ([url]www.berlin-messe.de[/url]). Is this the infamous messe that makes Artemis crowded? In case it is how bad is it? Does it make sense to go in the afternoon of a messe day?
Cheers,
Roger
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Wrong web site
Hi,
I made a mistake with the net site. Here is the right one.
[url]http://www1.messe-berlin.de/vip8_1/website/Internet/Internet/www.messe-berlin/englisch/index.html[/url]
Roger
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A brief Artemis Report
Went this evening (6th Dec) which is St Nicklaus day here in Germany. And to celebrate that, upon arriving and paying your money at reception, I was asked to roll some dice and what ever combination you got you won a prize - I won two free alcoholic drinks! (Normally €10 each).
The club has got it's Christmas decorations up and all the girls were wearing Christmas themed lingerie. (So lots of santa hats red thongs and red bras)
The ratio seemed to be very good tonight, though for me the quality wasn't quite as good - quite a few older ladies, and a lot of sharks. Got approached way more than I have in the past. (I think this is my 5th visit in about a 18 month period.)
For me, I like to sit on a sofa and watch for a while before making my choice. There was one cute small blonde (my thing) that I kept my eye on. After about 90 minutes (and turning down 8 to 10 approaches) I went for a wander and found her sitting on the arm of a sofa. A brief chat and introduction of names and we were heading upstairs. Normally I like to have a bit of a chat before going up, but not tonight.
There were quite a few rooms free.
Martina from Hungry.
For my preferences she was perfect. Small - maybe 5'2" long blonde hair, cute little bum, with pert size B breasts.
Once in the room and we were on the bed, she asked how long for, and I asked for 30 mins, There was no attempt to get me to go for an hour which was good. She got out some massage oil and told me that she'd give me a massage at the end, even if we went over the 30 mins.
She was very happy to kiss (which I like) so we did, and soon I was DATY which was great. She seemed to be getting really into it, and was pushing my head into her crotch. Great.
A bit of an odd BBBJ followed, which she would bob furiously for 10 seconds then stop and stare at me for 5 seconds then go back to it.
Anyway the condom went on - her on top for a bit, then me on top and then finished from behind. It looked amazing and did the trick.
This had taken about 20 minutes, and she then delivered on a great massage, really working on some of the knots in my back.
After paying up and getting quite a deep kiss by the lockers, I had a shower, then headed downstairs for my other free beer and a collapse on the sofa. Now it's non smoking down stairs it has made it a much nicer area, and I was left alone.
Instead of falling asleep on the sofa I headed back to my hotel.
An excellent trip.
I've got better at turning the sharks down now - some times they can be quite persistant, I think the trick is to say 'No I'm relaxing' or whatever very quickly. Unless she's floating your boat of course.
The rolling the dice thing was a nice touch too, and I did enjoy having a beer. (As I wouldn't normally pay €10 for a beer)
Hope this is of some interest.
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Hey, Has Bean
Martina, Hungary: great choice. See #357 below. Great to know she's still there.
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[QUOTE=Toscana]Martina, Hungary: great choice. See #357 below. Great to know she's still there.[/QUOTE]I will look it up. Thanks!
[QUOTE=Has Bean]The rolling the dice thing was a nice touch too, and I did enjoy having a beer.[QUOTE]What else could you win?
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If anybody is in town and thinking about and Artemis visit tomorrow let me know. Perhaps we can hook up for a chat between ladies & sauna.
Let me know here or via pm.
AM
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Saturday night
I paid another visit to Artemis this weekend (Saturday night) for a pre-christmas treat. It was the christmas party night at Artemis, which meant that all the girls were dressed in some sort of christmas attire, heavily concentrated on the naughty christmas elf.
I have to say that I found the line up this evening to be a bit disappointing. There seemed to be a high number of okay looking blonds. Girls who look okay at about 2 meters but when closer just seem to lose their appeal. Perhaps though it was the costumes which gave a sort of sameness to all the girls, and many of them simply do not look that great in red. Or perhaps it was just my typical christmas season mood of slight depression.
I did manage to meet up with fellow ISG member DkFatBastard at around 20:00 and spent a nice time with him in the downstairs bar comparing notes about the Berlin scene. He gave me a positive tip regarding Valentina @ KD that I plan to follow up on.
So at a round 20:30 I headed off in search of Giselle who I have been with on a previous visit and had decided to repeat with as she struck me last time as a very nice and sexually forward young lady. I had run into her earlier in the evening on the stairs with a promise to meet up later.
I cooled my heels for some time at the bar, fending off the ladies who were rather at loose ends as the was a higher ratio of men to ladies than I imagine is really good for their business. I had a chat and a cuddle on the couch with Shiva, who I have written about before, but was not tempted (more than just a wee bit) to carry through with a session. I have to say, to her credit, Shiva asked me at least 4 times last night if I was ready to have some fun with her and each time I made my excuses. She took my rebuff each time with grace and just said-well maybe later. A very nice and competent provider I just was not in the mood for her last night. You can see pictures of Shiva on the Artemis website.
At last I spotted Giselle and we went immediately to a room upstairs. I told her that I wanted to spend an hour together, which seemed to please her and very soon we were naked on the bed together. The only slight dampener was a rather huge bandage she wore on the upper part of her right breast to protect where she recently had a tattoo laser-ed off. No big deal but it was unsightly.
Otherwise the session was absolutely top notch. This girl like to be licked and she also gives a magnificent bj, wet, drool-y and reasonably deep, the later being her only area of possible improvement. And having indicated an hour session I found her to be very generous with the time. After and extended mutual fuck and suck (little Angus was literally swimming in her saliva) we lay together for a while and she gave me a massage that soon turned into more blow job (I did not have to ask!) and finally another deep licking. At the end of what seemed more like 1.5 hrs. I was completely satisfied and happily paid her
120 €.
I hung in for a while longer but nobody really caught my interest and so I left at around midnight. It was a good evening, pulled from obscurity by the lovely Giselle who I will most definitely be visiting again. She works regularly but (I believe) mostly on Friday and/or Saturday evening.
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Hi,
I'm planning to travel to Berlin and from there possibly other German cities in early January, and while in Berlin I want to pay Artemis a first-time visit (actually it'll be a first-time with FKK in general! ) Before doing so, however, I've got some questions I hope to be able to get answered:
1. How does the S-bahn system work in Germany? I've seen some people say take S7(? ) to Westkreuz, but where is that and how do you get to Artemis from there?
2. Some people mention "sharks" in their reports. I kinda get the feeling what they are, but I'd like to know an experienced ISG: er's explanation and how to avoid them.
3. Where and what is the kino? : p Or is it something I'll simply have to see for myself?
4. Is it common for the girls to give GFE? And I also see some people describing [French] kissing and licking the girls, or the girls giving a BBBJ. Are these things common in Artemis and other FKK clubs?
Thanks very much!
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Rekarn, to answer your questions
To get to Artemis by S bahn train you can take 4 different trains S5, S7, S75, S9 going west. You get out at the station Westkreuz. Follow exit signs for Halensee strasse. When outside the station on Halensee strasse take a left and then walk for about 100m. Artemis will be on your left, it has a large red sign saying Artemis so you really can't miss it once you're near to it. I advise either before you get to Berlin or when you arrive at the airport get a map which also includes the S and U bahn train networks. When you look at the map it will be pretty straight forward.
For Artemis cost is €70 entry which includes use of all facilities such as buffet, pool, sauna, free soft drinks at bar etc. Cost for CFS in multiple positions is €60 for half hour. That should include BBBJ as standard. A GFE and DFK really depends on the chemistry between you and the girl, she is not obliged to give it. CIM is €50 extra, anal is €50 extra, I never go for these extras.
A shark is a slang word for a girl who is only after your money and is not interested if you end up having a good time or not. Generally sharks will be agressive although some may only turn out to be sharks once in the room. Generally though if you are careful you will end up with good girls. Try to concentrate on the girls who are non pushy and friendly and not the up front ones.
Kino is german for cinema (I think). Artemis has two small sex kinos showing porn (pretty low end porn). Some people like to screw in the kino for the view of other people.
Hope I helped you, happy hunting.
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[QUOTE=Rekarn]
2. Some people mention "sharks" in their reports. I kinda get the feeling what they are, but I'd like to know an experienced ISG: er's explanation and how to avoid them.
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I would say that the shark type FKK provider are a fact of life if you are going to enter the The FKK environment. Some (many?) of the women you will find at an FKK are there to make money, have a bit of fun and enjoy the sex. Others are there just to make money while giving back as little as they possibly can while up selling (extras) as much as possible. Fortunately we, as customers, have the advantage of being able to observe the women before we make our choice of who to spend time with. Thus I would say that the best advise anyone can give you as a newbie is to spend some time observing a girls behavior before you agree to go to the room with her.
This can be quite challenging when you find yourself for the first time surrounded by beautiful, mostly naked women all competing for you attention and all trying to get you to spend private time with them in a room.
Other than observation there are no real set rules on how to avoid the sharks. Generally it is better for you to approach the woman that interests you rather than waiting to be approached. That being said, I have also had some very nice sessions with women who approached me. So nothing is set in stone.
One thing to try is that if a woman does approach you, talk with her for a bit and when she suggests that you go to a room say that you are not ready yet. You can gauge a lot from her reaction to this news. An easy, “well perhaps later”, is a good sign. If she seems to get annoyed and tries to convince you, beware. It really helps to speak at least basic German.
Finding the right woman at an FKK takes a bit of perseverance. It is an investment in both time and money. There is a learning curve and you have to expect to make some mistakes at first. The important thing is to realize this and if you do end up with a shark (hopefully you realize early and don’t shell out too much cash for extras) just take the hit, pay the fee and carry on. Chalk it up to experience.
Unfortunately, many of these women (sharks) are very experienced at what they do and do, I believe, notice who is new and not a local, and target these men. Fortunately, though they are experienced, they are also very often also quite obvious. For me one encounter with a shark was enough to get the warning signs and now I find them pretty easy to avoid.
BTW-the cost for anal at Artemis is, I believe, 100 euros and not 50 as Mac75 wrote below. In any case there are price lists on display in the dressing rooms that give a complete run down on services and prices. Personally I find that the cost of extras at Artemis are simply not worth it. A good anal session can be had for half (or less) that price. I like to find a good, enthusiastic woman and extend the regular session. I find that much more satisfying. But this is a personal preference.
Hope that you have fun and remember to write at least a short report as a way of giving back for the info you get here on ISG.
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To answer your questions
[QUOTE=Rekarn]Hi,
I'm planning to travel to Berlin and from there possibly other German cities in early January, and while in Berlin I want to pay Artemis a first-time visit (actually it'll be a first-time with FKK in general! ) Before doing so, however, I've got some questions I hope to be able to get answered:
1. How does the S-bahn system work in Germany? I've seen some people say take S7(? ) to Westkreuz, but where is that and how do you get to Artemis from there?
2. Some people mention "sharks" in their reports. I kinda get the feeling what they are, but I'd like to know an experienced ISG: er's explanation and how to avoid them.
3. Where and what is the kino? : p Or is it something I'll simply have to see for myself?
4. Is it common for the girls to give GFE? And I also see some people describing [French] kissing and licking the girls, or the girls giving a BBBJ. Are these things common in Artemis and other FKK clubs?
Thanks very much![/QUOTE]
1) You buy a ticket and get on the train. Don't get on a train without a ticket. The system works on an honor system. Controls are random and infrequent but fines are hefty and its not worth it.
2) Sharks tend to prey on unsuspecting newbies and employ various methods to extract as much money as they can using upsell or trying to minimize the time in the room and/or the amount of work they actually do. Or if they deliver any services, its with all of the enthusiasm of someone flipping burgers at a fast food joint.
Some women will try to milk you like they would a cow. Its a process to them. They rub, tug and then you are supposed to come. "That will be 50 Euros please." Then on to the net victim. If you foil their plans, some will express their displeasure.
Beware of women who are too aggressive with self-marketing or those who are visually stunning but have no customers. Test for chemistry first before you commit. Don't make a choice within your first hour of entering a club. Sit first, observe. Interview her previous clients if you can.
3) A Kino is a movie theater. Berlin is known for its Sexkinos. You go to watch a porno and you can also avail of the services of the women who prowl the aisles. Very, very sleazy. The FKK clubs have tried to duplicate the practice by installing their own Kinos to appeal to those who want the Sexkino experience but in cleaner environment.
4) No. Some girls are naturally affectionate and eager to please. Others harbor hidden hostility to customers. Again: check for chemistry. These women are not machines.
They will generally react positively to you if you are well groomed, polite, well mannered, showered and don't have bad breath... and if she can understand you. Some women don't want to deal with clients they don't understand. I personally am not keen on women I can't communicate with no matter how exotic she may look.
If she genuinely enjoys your company, she will bend all sorts of rules such as not pay any attention to the time you spend together, z. B.
Again, my rules of thumb for testing chemistry are: 1) If you smile at her and she smiles back, you have a nibble on your line and you should go over and exchange a word or two with her. 2) If during that conversation you can make her laugh, you will probably have a good time with her and you should seriously consider a session.
These rules work, by the way, with professionals and non-professionals.
As we've described here before, you get to pro status in this hobby when you can cast a glance and smile at a chick across a room, cock your head and have her at your side in a few seconds. Its like fly casting. I'm still working on my technique. The trick is to doing this smoothly and seamlessly: broadcasting your interest to the right woman and reeling her in without a word being exchanged.
Don't ignore her body language. If she appears disinterested, it is because she is. You will only have yourself to blame if despite this signal, you persist in taking this to the next step.
Some women aren't cut out for this line of work. You would be best off avoiding those women.
In the end, women like being entertained, charmed and romanced whether they are pros or non-pros. So give her a good time and you will be rewarded with what guys like to call GFE. Treat her like the furniture and you shouldn't be surprised if you get treated the same way.
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]1) You buy a ticket and get on the train. Don't get on a train without a ticket. The system works on an honor system. Controls are random and infrequent but fines are hefty and its not worth it.[/QUOTE]
And don't forget to validate the ticket (stick it into the little box in the general vicinity of the machine you bought the ticket in and have it time/date stamped). When first in Berlin I had very little money and I used to think I could get away with having an unvalidated ticket, thus using the same ticket several times. This lasted until the first time I was controlled. The controllers, a very stern bunch, saw right through me I am sure. I argued with them for over a half an hour, claiming ignorance. They threatened the police, taking my passport (yeah-right) and finally let me off with a warning, kicking me from the system. It was all so unpleasant that I have never once since then travelled for free. Though I do occasionally travel by bus on a cheap short time ticket and go a few stops past the allowed 6 stops (three on the UBahn).
BTW Rekarn, if you have not already done so check out my post from a couple of months back of my first visit to Artemis.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=807930&postcount=413[/url]
I think it gives a pretty good sense of what it is like for a newbie trying to find the right girl in an FKK.
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Go there Tomorow
I am thinking to go in the Artemis tomorrow while I am visiting Berlin. Do you think guys will be a good idea or I will just lose money?
I will have only this opportunity to stay in Berlin, but I can also go in the OASYS that is near my house
Other questions.
How much extra is a BBBJ?
And
What is the Better time to go there?
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I'd like to thank everybody for their very detailed and informative answers, I really appreciate it. :) I'll definitely post a travel report when I get back from my trip. I have another small question I'd like to ask beforehand; are different positions (doggy, etc) included in the price or is it something you have to agree on before doing anything? And is there anything else I should see in Berlin in terms of FKK clubs or brothels?
[QUOTE=Angus Magee]BTW Rekarn, if you have not already done so check out my post from a couple of months back of my first visit to Artemis.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the link to your report, I found it really interesting and informative to read. So you buy the ticket in a little machine on the tram?
Thanks again everybody!