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[QUOTE=SmoociApp;2118509]While we do require to see a companion's ID in order to confirm they are over 18 and allow them on to the platform, we don't autofill their age.
Companions / agencies are required to take full responsibility for the accuracy of the info on their profiles.[/QUOTE]Knowing their age from seeing their ID I find it puzzling that you would allow your platform which incidentally is an excellent addition to sourcing providers to show what you know to be misleading profile data. Seems you are somehow arguing it's not your responsibility. If you didn't know fine but you do know and yet you allow it on your site. When booking age is an important consideration for a lot of your customers and constant disappointment might not be in your best long-term business interest. Just a thought.
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Fraud. Pure and simple
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2118626]Knowing their age from seeing their ID I find it puzzling that you would allow your platform which incidentally is an excellent addition to sourcing providers to show what you know to be misleading profile data. Seems you are somehow arguing it's not your responsibility. If you didn't know fine but you do know and yet you allow it on your site. When booking age is an important consideration for a lot of your customers and constant disappointment might not be in your best long-term business interest. Just a thought.[/QUOTE]If Smooci knows the age of the woman and allows incorrect information to be posted on the website, that is plain fraud by anyone's definition. There is no excuse for not putting the correct age of the women on the website.
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[QUOTE=Shiba7;2118407]My most recent was Fo. She's closer to 40's than 20's.
Then Anna. Her pictures are definitely old pictures from when she was young. She's probably early 30's, minimum.
They were both fun, but not what I was looking for for that night, which is the problem.[/QUOTE]I would have guessed based on Fo's pictures that she was 35. I figured that they photoshopped away any blemishes but she still doesn't look all that young. Then I'd guess that most girls with implants had to work a good amount to afford implants. Overall I'd probably add 4 to 7 years to any girl listed older than 26.
As to the smooci website I'd rather have guaranteed photos than guaranteed age.
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[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2118520]Why not? It's not hard, and would be huge value to the customers. If there's a business case, restrict it to those who pay.
Are you worried that you'd lose providers or that you'd lose customers if they providers could no longer misrepresent their age?[/QUOTE]It is a manual system, we recieve the IDs and manually check that they are genuine and the companion is of legal age. As per our terms and conditions and legal requirements we cannot auto fill info on the profiles, the companions / agencies must remain fully responsible for the information shown. If a companion gets common complaints stating that the info on their profile is incorrect we then step in to warn them and even ban them in extreme cases.
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[QUOTE=Breadman;2118929]I would have guessed based on Fo's pictures that she was 35. I figured that they photoshopped away any blemishes but she still doesn't look all that young. Then I'd guess that most girls with implants had to work a good amount to afford implants. Overall I'd probably add 4 to 7 years to any girl listed older than 26.
As to the smooci website I'd rather have guaranteed photos than guaranteed age.[/QUOTE]In my opinion, the experience between a young WG and one who has been in the business for so long, is completely different.
For me it's more a change in the state of mind than the body. When you book someone you think is in their 20's, is fun, spontaneous, and adventurous, you instead get a hardened woman in her 40's who has seen it all, it's just not the same.
The older woman could have a better body and be better in bed, but that's still not what I was initially looking for when I booked her.
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[QUOTE=SmoociApp;2118941]It is a manual system, we recieve the IDs and manually check that they are genuine and the companion is of legal age. As per our terms and conditions and legal requirements we cannot auto fill info on the profiles, the companions / agencies must remain fully responsible for the information shown. If a companion gets common complaints stating that the info on their profile is incorrect we then step in to warn them and even ban them in extreme cases.[/QUOTE]I may be missing something here but really Smoocci come on, using cop outs like we cannot auto fill due to legal restrictions seems somewhat disingenuous. It's your site, you control the terms and conditions of listings. I understand you need as many escorts as possible using it to ensure a viable business proposition but I suggest that the long term success of your app would be best served by developing a sterling reputation for credibility. Accepted escorts using photo shopped or old pics is something you can only control after complaints are made but on age you know. Think about it, agreed you might lose some listings from girls reluctant to use their actual age but over time you will develop a larger consumer base because of greater transparency which in turn will attract more genuine escorts to use Smoocci. Am I missing something?
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Transport charges.
Will there be any extra charges I should pay for the escort to come into my hotel?
Such as transport charges.
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[QUOTE=Luther1211;2119134]Will there be any extra charges I should pay for the escort to come into my hotel?
Such as transport charges.[/QUOTE]Transport charges will only apply to bookings outside of Bangkok's main city area, such as the airport hotels. Most companions / agencies charge 500 Baht travel fees for the airport hotels.
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This Fo?
[QUOTE=Shiba7;2118407]My most recent was Fo. She's closer to 40's than 20's.
Then Anna. Her pictures are definitely old pictures from when she was young. She's probably early 30's, minimum.
They were both fun, but not what I was looking for for that night, which is the problem.[/QUOTE]Is this the Fo that you are referring to? [URL]http://www.newbangkokescort.com/girls/fo/[/URL].
If so, the website has her weight at 163 kg and her height at 46 cm. So there are some obvious discrepancies with her situation. Otherwise, her photos look rather nice, too bad they cannot be relied on. Another case of obvious misrepresentation.
Smooci will soon lose any credibility as users find the site to be worthless shills of product that is unreliable. BTW my experience was similar to yours. Photoshop is too easy to use and taking a plain jane and making her look like a Barbie doll is far too common.
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[QUOTE=SmoociApp;2118941]As per our terms and conditions and legal requirements we cannot auto fill info on the profiles[/QUOTE]
Translated into plain English "we allow providers to lie to our customers about their age because we choose to do so (per our own terms and conditions)". There are no legal requirements whatsoever forbidding you from ensuring the displayed age is correct.
If you were a free service, I'd sort-of understand not wanting to touch more profile info than was absolutely necessary, but you're not. You have paid subscriptions, you post reviews and you have photo verification. As others have said, showing a fake age when you know it's wrong (and already have a process in place to verify IDs) is indeed fraud.
Makes me wonder, what other kinds of fraud or misrepresentation would you consider acceptable? Frankly, I'm not sure I'd trust you with you my credit card info and real name. What if you decide at some point that blackmailing customers (directly or by selling data to a 3rd party) is perfectly fine "according to your terms and conditions and legal requirements"?
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[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2119494]Is this the Fo that you are referring to? [URL]http://www.newbangkokescort.com/girls/fo/[/URL].
If so, the website has her weight at 163 kg and her height at 46 cm. So there are some obvious discrepancies with her situation. Otherwise, her photos look rather nice, too bad they cannot be relied on. Another case of obvious misrepresentation.
Smooci will soon lose any credibility as users find the site to be worthless shills of product that is unreliable. BTW my experience was similar to yours. Photoshop is too easy to use and taking a plain jane and making her look like a Barbie doll is far too common.[/QUOTE]To be fair to Smoocii when it comes to pics it's impossible to vouch for accuracy. Photo shopping along with lighting, soft focus lens etc. Are accepted practices in marketing products and I personally have no issue. It is what it is and caveat emptor.
With escorts though unless its super professionally done it's obvious when an image is photo shopped and a little creative reverse engineering can sometimes give a decent idea of what to expect when the door opens.
It's somewhat different when old pics are used and here I would argue that ensuring the correct age is shown makes that easier to spot.
Smooci is a terrific resource are should be recognized as such. I could see it developing into a major platform for all levels of the escort market from a Hi end membership only service to everyday providers but it has to have maximum credibility. Unfortunately judging from a significant number of posts on this forum that is presently lacking. Over to you Smooci.
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[QUOTE=Franciscass;2119837]Smooci is a terrific resource are should be recognized as such. I could see it developing into a major platform for all levels of the escort market from a Hi end membership only service to everyday providers but it has to have maximum credibility.[/QUOTE]Online platforms are all about cutting out the middleman and directly connecting sellers and buyers. At this point, it seems to me Smooci has no desire to be a broad marketplace connecting hookers and customer, otherwise it would have attempted signing up freelancers long time ago. What I don't understand is why Smooci doesn't attempt this.
In that segment, they do have a Thai competitor: about half-the price, Thai-language only, with atrocious layout, but with free reviews, seemingly less doctored pictures, provide Line IDs directly, and don't take any responsibility for what happens. Search is a paid option on that Thai site. Would be nice to see Smooci compete with them head-on (they're miles ahead in usability / design), but covering the Farang market as well.
Instead, it seems to me that Smooci is instead aiming to be a limited-scale meta-escort agency (charging subscriptions, with providers asking high prices, seemingly with a price floor set by the house), but still try to disclaim all responsibility for quality and accuracy of information or service, even in easy cases like age which they already know. I wish them all the luck, but honestly, this business model has limited appeal to me.
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Smooci reviews
Hey Sammy1968,
Do you have an update to this spreadsheet?
I couldn't get premium membership as my debit card not accepted and Bitcoin take too long.
Was after feedback on:
Jinta.
Dollar.
Windy.
Cassidy.
February.
[QUOTE=Sammy1968;2072836]This is a spreadsheet I did for July, but didn't use because site was down.
All from Premium comments.
Name Age Star // Price (2 hours) // Good / Bad // DFK / BBBJFS / COB.
Mon 28 3. 8 3000 Sweet / Shy // Temper / P.S.'the / All.
View 24 4. 8 2940 Horny All.
Stella 26 4. 1 3000 very professional. Very nice // Shy, not all services All.
Plang 20 5 3000 Simply amazing No BBBJ..[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2119724]Translated into plain English "we allow providers to lie to our customers about their age because we choose to do so (per our own terms and conditions)". There are no legal requirements whatsoever forbidding you from ensuring the displayed age is correct.
If you were a free service, I'd sort-of understand not wanting to touch more profile info than was absolutely necessary, but you're not. You have paid subscriptions, you post reviews and you have photo verification. As others have said, showing a fake age when you know it's wrong (and already have a process in place to verify IDs) is indeed fraud.
Makes me wonder, what other kinds of fraud or misrepresentation would you consider acceptable? Frankly, I'm not sure I'd trust you with you my credit card info and real name. What if you decide at some point that blackmailing customers (directly or by selling data to a 3rd party) is perfectly fine "according to your terms and conditions and legal requirements"?[/QUOTE]Seriously my myself, I don't see age really post an issue.
Guess many still don't know yet, in Thailand, you can make a new ID with new details like the. O. be and age etc anytime of the day as you like.
(Well, if I'm the working girl, I can change it to forever 21 if needed to. So when you see me and I show you my new ID at 21 and you believe visually but in fact I'm 31.).
That's call visual marketing on seller side and visual satisfaction on customer side.
For me, the details shown in the girls profile are merely for a reference only and what really matters is their service provided and of because, the pic and actual person needs to be in 75% and up look alike.
I'm pretty straight forward and I'm looking for a good Fxxk time and not looking for a wife or a relationship with an escorts which I think many others are. As in looking for a so call relationship in order to get some free Fxxk in the future when back to Bangkok again. Many are playing this game though. LoLx.
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[QUOTE=Tiandihui;2120762]Seriously my myself, I don't see age really post an issue.
Guess many still don't know yet, in Thailand, you can make a new ID with new details like the. O. be and age etc anytime of the day as you like.
(Well, if I'm the working girl, I can change it to forever 21 if needed to. So when you see me and I show you my new ID at 21 and you believe visually but in fact I'm 31.).
That's call visual marketing on seller side and visual satisfaction on customer side.
For me, the details shown in the girls profile are merely for a reference only and what really matters is their service provided and of because, the pic and actual person needs to be in 75% and up look alike.
I'm pretty straight forward and I'm looking for a good Fxxk time and not looking for a wife or a relationship with an escorts which I think many others are. As in looking for a so call relationship in order to get some free Fxxk in the future when back to Bangkok again. Many are playing this game though. LoLx.[/QUOTE]While it's possible to get a fake Thai ID it is not anymore as you suggest as easy as popping down to the Kosan Road. That apart it's a serious offense for a Thai to be caught in possession of one and I imagine working girls would think twice before using it just to cloak their real age.
As to importance of the girl you booked resembling the girl you thought you booked, to some like yourself it doesn't seem to make a difference. In some ways this an admirable attitude and certainly precludes disappointment.
Others and I include myself here who book a 20 year old would prefer that a 20 year arrives and not her older auntie.
Happy New Year to one and all.