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Amateur,
Expect to spend at least KRW 400k when you go there alone. When two go, the price will go up to 600k for two, thus per person you would spend 300k.
Bring her to your hotel. Well, girls don't want to do that in general, but when you bet much money or when the girl likes you, then it's possible.
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by amateur
[i]SeoulSurvivor: About Bukchan-dong, if I go there alone, how much do I have to fork out to have fun with a girl in the room, like singing, groping, etc., and how much more if I want to take her back to my hotel? I just don't want to be ripped off, which has happend more than I like. When I in Seoul next month, I would give Shalotte a try. Any instructions? Thanks for your help in advance.
Paddy23: Where is that coffeeshop at? That sounds fun to pick up some chicks for the night at a coffeeshop.
I would be visiting Seoul in March. Thanks. [/i][/QUOTE]
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paddy23,
In Seoul metropolitan area, you can hardly find a coffeeshop that would sell the sex-service. Sex-service in or from coffeeshop is only possible in a remote town or in a small port-town where the economy is not capable of feeding big RLD streets or systemized prostitution.
With KRW200,000, well, it depends, but I would go to a Turkish bath.
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by paddy23
[i]just wondering what the story is with the coffee shops.Theres one near me that is located on a corner down in the basement. Went in their this evening..2 sluttish looking girls in their mid twenties aswell as a few middle aged men drinking coffe and smoking...
the girls were pretty hot although it was obvious nothing could happen in the place itself..openplan with no isolated booths or anything..however i am almost certain these girls provided more than coffee...can u only get the extras on a call out basis?and if so..how does it work?prices/ettiquette etc..?
any advice/experiences..most appreciated...
also just wondering what the regualars here would reccomend for 200,000..if u had 200,000 won right now, where would u go to spend it??
cheers
paddy [/i][/QUOTE]
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Sweetrumrunner:
Keep in mind that Koreans are generally homophobic, it is a stretch for most Korean (even pros) girls to help you satisfy your bi-curious idea although there would be enough of them who would not mind you watching your boyfriend enjoy her.
I would suggest that your boyfriend visit a few room salons or other places where Korean professional girls work and broach the subject with them. In general, many Korean girls are curious about sex witn foreign men (I have been a beneficiary) but it will be an extra step to engage sexually with you, especially with a Korean male watching. It will help if your boyfriend is not too much older than the girl. This will help her keep our face.
Not to be judgemental but if your Korean boyfriend openly allows to engage in sex with another man in his plain view, I question his intentions toward you. I only make this comment based upon your desire not to have him form an emotional attachment with the girl.
Having lived in Korea for some years, Korean men do not take to their women being had by another man.
I can check with some of the girls I know to see if they may be interested. Did you have any particualr bueget in mind for their activity?
Best Regards
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Love Taipei
Thanks for your reply. I've lived in Korea for 7 years, so I'm well aware of the degree of homophobia here. Ironically, when I've gone to the gay hill in Itaewon, most women will also stay away as they are looking for partners, not just to be some bi-curious woman's experiment. :-)
My relationship with my partner is an extremely loving, secure one. He is not typically Korean - In fact he's 7 years younger than I, a jazz musician, extremely well-travelled and has been living with me in plain view of his family - who are incredibly accepting.
The threesome was a one-time fulfillment of a fantasy I had.(3 years ago)
Now, I would like to do the same for him. My wanting a pro has more to do with my own "female" jealousy than with the state of the relationship. In fact, if I didn't feel secure, I don't think I could even contemplate doing this. I appreciate your concern though. :-)
In terms of budget, as this would be a one-off experience and not a regular hobby, I would be willing to shell out more than might be "usual". I totally understand how reluctant Korean girls would be though. I've thought Russian but have no idea about how to even go about meeting, let alone propostioning one. I was at the King's club with friends on Saturday night, and considered approaching one of the dancing girls they have there, but was afraid of mistaking them for something they're not.
Any thoughts?
Thanks again for your kind reply.
Take care
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New to Seoul and have spent the majority of my time in Itaewon. The girls are 'the hill' are pretty good. Some are real skanks. Especially at the very bottom. However, there are many cute ones. Kind of pricey but I like the area. I've heard that due to the recent rise in anti-American sentiment it is difficult for white guys to get accepted in other areas like Gireum or even Yongsan.
I was wondering if anyone has any experience with Russian girls in Itaewan? Do you know which bar the working girls go to? I've heard varying stories. One girl on the hill told me that Russian girls are very cheap, but I've also heard that they are only interested in Korean and Japanese business men because they have more $$$$$.
If you could give me any info on location and $$$ it would be appreciated.
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I have a girlfriend who would absolutely be up for this, if you're attractive to her. But what's in in for me? Sending her off for a threesome is no fun. A foursome, on the other hand...
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by sweetrumrunner
[i]Now I want to return the favour and give him the experience of being with me and another woman. I'm being a little selfish here, as I'm also bi-curious.
However, I would feel more comfortable if our threesome partner were a pro - something about it being business for her rather than forming any kind of emotional attachment to either one of us.[/i][/QUOTE]
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hey daniel_you
you certainly know your stuff! i didn't pay so i don't how expensive it was... but it was certainly a worthwhile experience!
itching to go back soon! picked up 14-15 phone numbers of chicks along my travels during the past few days... can't wait to put that to good use.
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Ok Guys
I have 3 weeks in Seoul! What suggestions?
I'm in the Mayfield out by Gimpo airport. Any local haunts I can hit or do I need to go downtown?
Do I have any chance of getting a girl via the concierge, as in other parts of SE Asia?
Anyone in country who might want to go on an expedition?
Cheers
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Hey, some pretty interesting posts since I last came on here. Nice to see some sexual diversity being discussed.
I've been a vocal supporter of the Steam/Turkey/etc Baths in the past and wonder if anyone has any experience at the Hamilton Hotel. I had a nice encounter there but I am well aware that these places can be a bit inconsistent. Anyone else have a nice experience at the Hamilton in terms of quality of girl (physical), attitude of girl and overall service quality?
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Is it safe for an american to fly into seoul now? Seoul is near the boarder, and I heard the nuke talk up north is getting tense. I was planning a trip during late march/early april. Would anyone recommend going now?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by monkeyboi
[i]Is it safe for an american to fly into seoul now? Seoul is near the boarder, and I heard the nuke talk up north is getting tense. I was planning a trip during late march/early april. Would anyone recommend going now? [/i][/QUOTE]
Seoul is near the border, but there's no chance of a war anytime soon. I don't even think that there will be a war.
As far as it being safe for an American or any Caucasian, I don't see any problems. Anti-American (I'd really sum it up as anti-foreigner) sentiment is quite high, as it’s always been, but it has become more visible in light of the recent acquittals of the two USFK soldiers. There have been a few incidents and lots and lots of protests. But then there have been a lot of pro-US protests recently too (to my surprise as these groups aren’t so vocal).
Basically, it comes in peaks and valleys. It peaked in late December, but now seems to be ebbing a bit (after foreign businesses threatened to withdraw their investments from South Korea) and things are quieter, though there’s still tension.
Another thing: Moodys just downgraded their rating on South Korea. I don’t think that’s going to go too well over there.
So, are you going to go to Korea for sex? My advice: [b]DON’T[/b]. Thailand and the Philippines are much cheaper and better. Even Mainland China is pretty good. Korea might be the worst place in Asia for sex.
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monkeyboi:
I wouldn't worry too much about safety for Americans in Korea right now. Yeah, there are protests in Korea, but where in the world right now can you not find anti-american protests. I guess they have a valid reason for protest since their lives and their children's lives depend on it. We talk about not caving into N. Korea's brinkmanship and we see this as a logical proposal, but would anyone bet their lives or their children's lives on it. If your children are hostage to some kidnapper, you would probably be tempted to pay off the kidnappers even though you might be advised not to by the police. I see Korean's reaction to America's hardline policy as something natural and reasonable. I believe any country under that kind of scenerio would be forced to react the way they do against a despotic neighbor. I don't think the protest are genuinely anti-american, they are simply a demonstration that trys to safeguard their livelihood. It's not something that is directly targeted for Americans, so don't worry too much about it man.
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the protests on the streets about the two middle school girls who were killed by the humvee or whatever it was aren't vicious. they are quite peaceful in fact. i saw how 60 minutes did a part of their programe on the demonstrations, because of the headlines generated around the world. it seems like there was bigger and better coverage of the whole thing by the rest of the world's newspapers than there was by any korean newspaper. a lot of the protestors were young school children the same age as the two girls who were killed. now that age group doesn't normaly get involved in demonstrations, so i'm assuming they were put up to it by either their parents or their school teachers.
a lot of the older demonstraters though are disenfranchised koreans. there are a lot of unemployed college graduates these days, and it has been reported that they have been using the demonstrations to vent their frustrations at not being able to find work. there are a lot of minor small jobs available, but the prevailing mindset is to not work at all if you can't find the right job. this frustrates people more, because i'm sure many would do the minor jobs, but just can't find the strength to go against what their peers consider the best option.
the accident was also sensationalized, because somebody got a photograph of the girls lying dissembowled on the road, before they were covered, and these photographs were shown all over korea. the photographs actually showed the intestines of one girl spread on the road beside her.
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The following is not intended as a diary, but rather a description of events that perhaps some of our Senior Members can comment-on to help future travelers “communicate” with their Korean hosts, and failing-that, provide instructions on how to set-out on your own.
I just returned from my first business trip to Korea. My plan was to visit “Green Street” in Pusan (SargeRock post), and “Club Shalotte” in Seoul (SeoulSurvivor Post). Unfortunately, I did not make the travel arrangements and we wound-up staying in Gyeongju rather than Pusan, and in New Seoul rather than Old Seoul… and for newcomers, Seoul traffic is worse than Manhattan so a taxis from New Seoul to Old Seoul could take 20-40 minutes, depending upon the time of day.
In Gyeongju, we were with our Korean hosts most of the time and did not have an opportunity to find any “action” on our own. We hinted to our host that we would welcome some “Korean entertainment”… so they took us to traditional tourists sites (Beaknyulsa Temple and Tomuti Park, etc… no pussy). There was a karaoke club in the hotel, but the Korean doorman advised that it was “very expensive”. I believe he was telling us that the girls did not speak English… so if we did not speak Korean, forget it… we did.
In Seoul we again questioned our Korean hosts regarding “Korean Barber Shops”, for example why do some barbershops have 2-barber poles vs. 1-barber pole (as explained on a recent post). They said it was just additional advertising and had no special meaning. They acknowledged that some barbershops have “entertainment”, but they did not know which ones. They also acknowledged that some Karaoke clubs had “entertainment”, where you could pay a girl to “sit-with-you”… but, I didn’t want a girl to sit-with-me; I wanted a girl to “sit-on-my-face” (still a communication problem). We again hinted that we would welcome some traditional Korean entertainment with women… so they took us to the Sheraton Hotel, which has a Las Vegas type show with bare-breasted women. Great show… but again, no pussy. Accordingly, we (two Americans) setout on our own… without a Korean host and without any knowledge of the Korean language.
We asked the hotel doorman where we could find some “entertainment”, and he sent us to the Hard Rock Café (I assumed that the Seoul Hard Rock would be similar to the Shanghai Hard Rock). However, if there was “action” at the Korean Hard Rock, we didn’t see it… but as we were leaving, we noticed a 2-pole barbershop across the street that was still open at mid-night. Our instincts told us that this was our best shot.
Upon entering the establishment, we instantly realized that this was “da-place”. No English on their-side and no Korean on our-side, but we managed to strike a deal… we weren’t quite sure what we purchased, but assumed the price (90,000 won) included pussy. Previous posts stated that 60,000 won was the going-rate, but since this was our last night and Korea and it was late, we accepted the price. There were two girls, a “9” and a “7”… unfortunately, it was my turn to play “wing-man” so I wound-up with the “7”, but as I learned later, she made-up for it in other ways. We had no idea what the barbershop routine was, so I’ll include the following for the benefit for future travelers.
First I was taken to a room with only pull-curtains where I placed my clothes in a locked locker and put on a pair of terry cloth shorts. Then, I was placed in a barber chair where the masseuse washed my feet and massaged my arms… still not sure if I’m going to get any pussy. Next she took me to another room where the masseuse and I both dis-robed… things are looking-up, but still not sure if I’m getting a HJ, BJ or what. The “or what” turned our to be a Thai body-slide followed by a CBJ and FS with multiple positions… cowgirl, missionary, and doggie. All-in-all a very, very pleasant experience… the best Valentine’s Day present I have ever purchased for myself.
On the way back to our hotel, we noticed that there were several (multiple) 2-pole barbershops near our hotel… still open at 2 AM. Perhaps some of our Senior Members can add to this report and fully explain the barbershop routine for the benefit of future travelers seeking to enjoy Korea to its fullest.
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Excellent report, BenDover! First off, Manhattan traffic is not that bad! I can name at least five US cities with much worse traffic (LA, Atlanta, Seattle, Houston, Miami, Phoenix…to name a few). You are right that Seoul traffic is absolutely atrocious.
I never tried barber shops when I was in Korea, so I can’t comment on them, but I can comment on your Korean hosts’ “feigned amnesia” when it comes to paid sex locales. Every Korean guy I know is intimately familiar with the sex trade; they brag about it. BUT a lot of Korean guys don’t like sharing their “goods” with Westerners. I’d assume it’s a lot worse now with increased anti-American sentiment. I experienced the “run-around” when I was there too, and this was from supposed “friends”.
However, when you do have an honest Korean host, the world, as they say, “is your oyster”. Some will go out of their way to make sure you *ahem* enjoy yourself. But sadly, these guys number in few.
You’re still lucky to have gotten some action where you did and I don’t think 90,000won is as bad these days as people make it out to be, though it’s always good to haggle for less.