Member #2041,
I hope you realize how stupid and dangerous your behaviour is. Have a look at the "Safe Sex" section if you don't know what I am talking about.
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Member #2041,
I hope you realize how stupid and dangerous your behaviour is. Have a look at the "Safe Sex" section if you don't know what I am talking about.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Member #2041,
I hope you realize how stupid and dangerous your behaviour is. Have a look at the "Safe Sex" section if you don't know what I am talking about.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I guess humor laden with irony doesn't always communicate itself clearly in the written word - especially online.
As an aside though, I might observe that trying to lecture an anonymous someone whom you have certainly never met and have no idea where they are coming from (nor they you), on the way that they may or may not choose to carry out their lives, over an internet forum dedicated to all manner of conduct that nearly everyone ourside of this little community finds immoral and inappropriate, certainly doesn't strike me as all that intelligent nor a very productive use of one's time.
Member #2041,
I did not lecture you but hoped you realized that you would put yourself and others at danger by going bareback. So do you go bareback or not ?
If yes, I stick to what I have said.
If no, then there is nothing to talk about.
I agree that there is nothing to talk about, but that has nothing to do with what I or anyone else does in my private behavior.
Member #2041,
of course it's nobody else business what you do in your private life "AS LONG AS IT ONLY AFFECTS YOU !"
But in times of HIV - Syphilis, Hepatitis and other nasty deseases come to mind too - we must take responsibility for our actions and the effects it may have to others.
Sure, the girls have a choice, but they often don't know about the risks involved and even if, are often forced to comply with customers requests by their economical situation.
One of the following customers might be careful but have bad luck and condom breaks, bingo, next victim.
Going bareback will increase the overall risk for the rest of us.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Member #2041,
Going bareback will increase the overall risk for the rest of us.[/QUOTE]
My thoughts exactly (of course, assuming you get checked and she gets checked...)
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Member #2041,
of course it's nobody else business what you do in your private life "AS LONG AS IT ONLY AFFECTS YOU !"
But in times of HIV - Syphilis, Hepatitis and other nasty deseases come to mind too - we must take responsibility for our actions and the effects it may have to others.
Sure, the girls have a choice, but they often don't know about the risks involved and even if, are often forced to comply with customers requests by their economical situation.
One of the following customers might be careful but have bad luck and condom breaks, bingo, next victim.
Going bareback will increase the overall risk for the rest of us.[/QUOTE]
Anyone who thinks one other person who publicly posts something on a public forum that they may or may not actually be doing actually affects their own risk probabilities, is, plain and simple, an imbecile.
You are in control of your own risks, and you need to act with the knowledge that it's a moot point what any one other hobbyist claims to be doing with pros. Whether or not I post what I am actually doing, or alternatively, that I might be consciously jerking around people who seem to think that my business is their business, you would have to be incredibly stupid to assume that a hundredfold of others are not still doing whatever they are doing, without posting it one way or the other with the same pros. If a pro allows me to go bareback, then it makes no difference whether or not I actually do, because surely, dozens of others will.
Anyone who participates in this hobby without the implicit knowledge that wherever possible, SOME hobbyists, and probably ALOT of hobbyists, are going unprotected, whenever the opportunity presents itself is in denial. And your own behaviour has to be determined based on that knowledge, or else you are sufferring from blatant stupidity. I don't know how to put this any more plainly. To believe that you might somehow diminish your own risk by lecturing an anonymous someone on a public forum whom you have no knowledge of what they are actually doing, might somehow improve your own risk factors (as opposed to how you conduct your own business impacting those risk factors) is nothing short of dillusional.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]Anyone who thinks one other person who publicly posts something on a public forum that they may or may not actually be doing actually affects their own risk probabilities, is, plain and simple, an imbecile.
You are in control of your own risks, and you need to act with the knowledge that it's a moot point what any one other hobbyist claims to be doing with pros. Whether or not I post what I am actually doing, or alternatively, that I might be consciously jerking around people who seem to think that my business is their business, you would have to be incredibly stupid to assume that a hundredfold of others are not still doing whatever they are doing, without posting it one way or the other with the same pros. If a pro allows me to go bareback, then it makes no difference whether or not I actually do, because surely, dozens of others will.
Anyone who participates in this hobby without the implicit knowledge that wherever possible, SOME hobbyists, and probably ALOT of hobbyists, are going unprotected, whenever the opportunity presents itself is in denial. And your own behaviour has to be determined based on that knowledge, or else you are sufferring from blatant stupidity. I don't know how to put this any more plainly. To believe that you might somehow diminish your own risk by lecturing an anonymous someone on a public forum whom you have no knowledge of what they are actually doing, might somehow improve your own risk factors (as opposed to how you conduct your own business impacting those risk factors) is nothing short of dillusional.[/QUOTE]Member #2041,
On the spot. Good to read this issue to be thought to the very end.
Giotto
And of course, none of you actually know whether or not I am going bareback. The fact is, I am completely cognizant of the issues involved.
Anyone who actually believes that lecturing me about behavior that I might or might not actually be doing, but which I most assuredly already understand with respect to all of it's consequeces, somehow alters their own risks and in any way their own behavior and THOSE consequences is an idiot. I really have nothing more to add on this subject, as my prior post #532 really said it all. These discussions and the direction that they invariably take are utterly pointless, and THAT is my point.
2041, you are 100% correct, and it is a highly enjoyable read. Your cat and mouse game is amusing. You can be assured, however that there will be several more posts, claiming your foolhardiness for doing or not doing something which of course you know very well to be foolhardy
[QUOTE=Member #2041]
You are in control of your own risks, and you need to act with the knowledge that it's a moot point what any one other hobbyist claims to be doing with pros. Whether or not I post what I am actually doing, or alternatively, that I might be consciously jerking around people who seem to think that my business is their business, you would have to be incredibly stupid to assume that a hundredfold of others are not still doing whatever they are doing, without posting it one way or the other with the same pros.
Anyone who participates in this hobby without the implicit knowledge that wherever possible, SOME hobbyists, and probably ALOT of hobbyists, are going unprotected, whenever the opportunity presents itself is in denial. And your own behaviour has to be determined based on that knowledge, or else you are sufferring from blatant stupidity. I don't know how to put this any more plainly.
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Member #2041,
I totally agree with the above.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]
If a pro allows me to go bareback, then it makes no difference whether or not I actually do, because surely, dozens of others will.
[/QUOTE]
You are completely wrong on that, you can make a difference !
Do you know the saying : "[i]Save one man's life and you safe the whole world[/i]" ?
If everybody would think like you, nothing would matter anymore. Who knows, maybe you are the first one who goes bareback with her. Remember, someone has to be the first. You also said that nobody should act depending on other people's behaviour but now you use their behaviour as an argument to justify going bareback. This is inconsistent.
This way of thinking is the root for most evil in the world.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]
Anyone who thinks one other person who publicly posts something on a public forum that they may or may not actually be doing actually affects their own risk probabilities, is, plain and simple, an imbecile.
....
To believe that you might somehow diminish your own risk by lecturing an anonymous someone on a public forum whom you have no knowledge of what they are actually doing, might somehow improve your own risk factors (as opposed to how you conduct your own business impacting those risk factors) is nothing short of dillusional.
[/QUOTE]
We can only refer to what you have said about your sexual behaviour. This sort of behaviour bears the potential for spreading diseases and a higher throughout disease rate will improve the overall risk for everybody partaking in this hobby.
I agree that everybody is responsible for his own behaviour and has to take in count that others are going bareback - never denied that or said otherwise - but it doesn't change the fact that the more people are going bareback the higher is the risk of getting infected yourself even when being careful. Condoms can break just like planes can crash.
But if you only post to post something, don't do as you say and don't say as you do, not meaning what you are saying, any discussion is indeed use- and senseless. But then your below posts are also nothing but empty words.
[QUOTE=Giotto]Member #2041,
On the spot. Good to read this issue to be thought to the very end.
Giotto[/QUOTE]
Giotto,
even though I agree with most of what he has said, I dare to disagree, as he doesn't thinks it to the very end.
He completely denies the responsibility of those who actually are going bareback. Of course everybody is responsible for his own behaviour and has to take his own precautions regardless what he might think about other people's behaviour. But as already pointed out, those precautions can fail, condoms can break. Call it bad luck if you like. But if it happens your chances of catching HIV or any other disease will largely depend on the overall ratio of infected people. Having bad luck you will of course still be able to hit the jackpot.
He also denies the fact that many girls don't know about all risks involved and are often forced to comply with customers requests due to their economical situation. Many girls are still ill-informed about HIV and most have never heard of Syphilis, Hepatitis, Clamydia and other nasty stuff. Due to this the girls don't make their decision to agree on going bareback as the well informed and (hopefully) mature persons we are. This makes us mongers responsible for them and all who will follow in the chain.
And what about the partners of those who go bareback ? Read your own post regarding that issue [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=456182&postcount=577[/url]
In short : We all should be careful regardless our expectations and assumptions regarding other people's behaviour and we should condemn going bareback.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Giotto,
even though I agree with most of what he has said, I dare to disagree, as he doesn't thinks it to the very end.
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And what about the partners of those who go bareback ? Read your own post regarding that issue [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=456182&postcount=577[/url]
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[/QUOTE]Yes, The Traveler,
You are right, The Traveler, for sure and as always, and we all appreciate to be advised again.
For me and my personal understanding of the post of Member #2041 you are not even close to understand what he has written. But it is not up to me to explain that to you, may be Member #2041 will do.
If I read my own post which you thankworthy researched out of the stacks of old report I realize, that I also did not think that part of it to the end before - but yesterday, when reading the post from Member #2041 I learned something.
Today I would write that report slightly different.
Giotto
Giotto,
I got his point, but you don't get mine.
He says far more than just be as careful as you can because others aren't careful. We agree on that.
He also says that it makes no difference if he would go bareback or not, because others do anyway.
Didn't we just agree that we all have to make our own decisions without depending or relying on our expectations and assumptions of other people's behaviour ?
We don't know about other people's behaviour and therefore we (possibly) can make a difference.
You are also not in complete control of your own risks - ok you are, you can decide to not partake in this hobby, but if you decide otherwise - there is still a residual risk you can't control no matter how careful you are. Even though this residual risk can never be eliminated, it could be dramatically decreased if everybody would refrain from going bareback.
In this context it doesn't matter if he actually goes bareback or not as long as he justifies going bareback by saying that it makes no difference, others will do too.
If you still think that I did not get it I would be glad if you could explain me what I have missed.
[QUOTE=Giotto]
You are right, The Traveler, for sure and as always, and we all appreciate to be advised again.
[/QUOTE]
This remark clearly shows that you aren't able to keep it a factual discussion.
Why can't you refrain from any personal attacks ? Remember your own analysis and stick to your own advice.
You again show exactly the sort of behaviour you are criticizing others for.
[QUOTE=Giotto] I realize, that I also did not think that part of it to the end before - but yesterday, when reading the post from Member #2041 I learned something.
Today I would write that report slightly different.
[/QUOTE]
Member #2041 and I are only exchanging our points of view. They may differ, but I can't see anything wrong with it, that's the nature of discussions and why not agree to disagree. If you have a problem with discussions pers se you should ask Jackson to prohibit them in this forum. But I think you should rather be grateful, didn't you just admit that you have learned something as a result of this discussion ?
I also noticed that Member #2041 wording ("imbecile", "stupid", "blatant stupidity") indicates some sort of aggression, but ignored it. Wonder why someone who is able to express himself so eloquent needs to do that.