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[QUOTE=Hk Dog]The most logical explanation is that they were there to meet up with some mongerer getting off the plane. When she went with you , she probably called the guy with some lame excuse why she couldn't be at airport.[/QUOTE]
Hmmm, I think they were there to accompany the only person they really, really love, who's just left for the periodical journey to Europe/the States ;).
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Paying
[QUOTE=Bulai69]
The only exception which provides a "legitimate" reason to not pay is when you find a girl who is wealthy in her own right because she has some mug of a "boyfriend" who throws money at her: most BATS girls are not in that category.[/QUOTE]
I disagree, and am on side with Mandiri. There is another category of girls, the "good girls" as I call them, who are absolutely not interested in payment. I have three of these in Jakarta, all early thirties, living at home with parents, do not hang around places like BATS, working (usually office job or managerial position), on reasonable salaries but not brilliant, have been in a few relationships (including with foreigners) that have gone sour, and are basically looking for good sex without too many strings. I feel as if I am doing them a service!!!! The usual routine s that they drop by after work for a romp, and are on their way home by 9:30 PM. Sometimes on weekends they can queeze in an overnighter. These girls are sexually demanding, orgasmic, and know what they want, and each seems to have her own little sexual quirk. To offer these girls money would be the ultimate insult, they see themselves as "good girls", and the involvememnt of money would make them feel dirty.
BTW, these relationships I refer to have been ongoing for 2-3 years, and they are all happy to wait while I am out of Jakarta. Also, they ae not so possessive , and I think each suspects they are not "the only one", but do not raise the issue as hey don't want to soil a good thing.
OK, just my experience!
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[QUOTE=Pak Mike]I disagree, and am on side with Mandiri. There is another category of girls, the "good girls" as I call them, who are absolutely not interested in payment. I have three of these in Jakarta, all early thirties, living at home with parents, do not hang around places like BATS, working (usually office job or managerial position), on reasonable salaries but not brilliant, have been in a few relationships (including with foreigners) that have gone sour, and are basically looking for good sex without too many strings. I feel as if I am doing them a service!!!! The usual routine s that they drop by after work for a romp, and are on their way home by 9:30 PM. Sometimes on weekends they can queeze in an overnighter. These girls are sexually demanding, orgasmic, and know what they want, and each seems to have her own little sexual quirk. To offer these girls money would be the ultimate insult, they see themselves as "good girls", and the involvememnt of money would make them feel dirty.
BTW, these relationships I refer to have been ongoing for 2-3 years, and they are all happy to wait while I am out of Jakarta. Also, they ae not so possessive , and I think each suspects they are not "the only one", but do not raise the issue as hey don't want to soil a good thing.
OK, just my experience![/QUOTE]
There are girls like that out there. But like you say, they aren't going to places like Bats. They consider those places to be places for "chickens" and they don't want to hang out there. I think you'll also find that those type of girls will own a car. Those type of girls are also not normally the most attractive looking. (relative to the 18-25 year old hotties you'll find at the clubs)
These are the type of girls who will yell "what do you think I am? a hooker?" when you offer them money. I wouldn't say that's the "ultimate insult" because I can think of many other things that you could say where they would never forgive you. However, they quickly forgive the money offer when you give some lame excuse like the money was just so that they had money up front to buy you pulsa or something in an emergency because you don't know where to get it.
I still say any response other than "what do you think I am? A hooker?" and they are looking for money regardless of whether they demand it or not. And basically any girl under 30 years old and not a scrag going to any of the places known to have alot of prostitutes is a girl who should have 350-500k slipped into her bag on the way out the door. Either that or pretty soon every girl in those places is going to be demanding 700k to 1 million up front. I was recently in Argentina. The girls were hot, but negotiating was a pain in the ass. I had to bargain with every girl up front about every friggin detail. How much money, how long, what kind of sex would be involved, on and on and on. Once they got to my room they were fine, but the negotiations were ridiculous. I much prefer the sweet girls in Jakarta who just leave it up to me to decide how much I give them. I'd hate to see the girls in Jakarta start negotiating like those Argentine girls.
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[QUOTE=Joel Goodsen]Well..and I have known some Indonesian ceweks for all my life and I'm over 18.. hehehe. I think Smoothy's post is spot on.. Please note that generally girls are much more polite and respectful than any were else. It will be quite easy to take advantage by ignoring the hints, but it is not a very honorable thing to do.[/QUOTE]Am from Jakarta. And really surprise that this kinda block exist, and obviously yo'll know jakarta very well. But remember, not all women in Jakarta are bats!
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Bats bats n bats
[QUOTE=Smoothy]There are girls like that out there. But like you say, they aren't going to places like Bats. They consider those places to be places for "chickens" and they don't want to hang out there. I think you'll also find that those type of girls will own a car. Those type of girls are also not normally the most attractive looking. (relative to the 18-25 year old hotties you'll find at the clubs)
These are the type of girls who will yell "what do you think I am? A hooker? " when you offer them money. I wouldn't say that's the "ultimate insult" because I can think of many other things that you could say where they would never forgive you. However, they quickly forgive the money offer when you give some lame excuse like the money was just so that they had money up front to buy you pulsa or something in an emergency because you don't know where to get it.
I still say any response other than "what do you think I am? A hooker? " and they are looking for money regardless of whether they demand it or not. And basically any girl under 30 years old and not a scrag going to any of the places known to have alot of prostitutes is a girl who should have 350-500k slipped into her bag on the way out the door. Either that or pretty soon every girl in those places is going to be demanding 700k to 1 million up front. I was recently in Argentina. The girls were hot, but negotiating was a pain in the ass. I had to bargain with every girl up front about every friggin detail. How much money, how long, what kind of sex would be involved, on and on and on. Once they got to my room they were fine, but the negotiations were ridiculous. I much prefer the sweet girls in Jakarta who just leave it up to me to decide how much I give them. I'd hate to see the girls in Jakarta start negotiating like those Argentine girls. [/QUOTE]You guys are good, I didn't even know such a blog or website exist. M from Jakarta, but guys not all indo girl are the same, these bats are just waiting some bule to take'em out from jakarta, because they thought that you guys can change their life, so before they meet the right person, they; ll be just doing this. Bellieve me!
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Booking
[QUOTE=Pak Mike]I disagree, and am on side with Mandiri. There is another category of girls, the "good girls" as I call them, who are absolutely not interested in payment. I have three of these in Jakarta, all early thirties, living at home with parents, do not hang around places like BATS, working (usually office job or managerial position), on reasonable salaries but not brilliant, have been in a few relationships (including with foreigners) that have gone sour, and are basically looking for good sex without too many strings. I feel as if I am doing them a service!!!! The usual routine s that they drop by after work for a romp, and are on their way home by 9:30 PM. Sometimes on weekends they can queeze in an overnighter. These girls are sexually demanding, orgasmic, and know what they want, and each seems to have her own little sexual quirk. To offer these girls money would be the ultimate insult, they see themselves as "good girls", and the involvememnt of money would make them feel dirty.
BTW, these relationships I refer to have been ongoing for 2-3 years, and they are all happy to wait while I am out of Jakarta. Also, they ae not so possessive , and I think each suspects they are not "the only one", but do not raise the issue as hey don't want to soil a good thing.
OK, just my experience![/QUOTE]One week 500usd, [blue][Email address deleted by Admin][/blue]
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BATS and paying
I agree with Pak Mike about the kind of girl you describe but they don't go to BATS either - I think that's what you said too. I have also found exactly that kind of girl but generally they are not my type in most respects, but of course "each to his own".
The fact is: 999/1000 girls in BATS who spend the night with a guy (even if it's Brad Pitt) after knowing him half an hour, do so because the expect, and need, the money.
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[QUOTE=Mandiri]Smoothy, no need to get into that kind of tone please.
Yes, the girls I am referring to here either already have a (well-paid by local standards ie one I have in mind 6.5 M Rp per month) job, or/and a husband / benefactor, and / or are students living with their parents. They would have felt insulted if I had offered them $$.[/QUOTE]
Sorry if I went a little overboard with my tone. But I think you are way off base here. You mention the girl admitted she goes to bats often. So no way does she have a 6.5 million rupiah per month job but is still going to Bats every night till 2am. The likelihood that she's a student living with her parents is very slim, as mentioned previously, those type of girls are not girls who go to bats alot. She MAY have a husband/benefactor, but again, that possibility is slight. The most likely scenario is that the girl was not quite as hard core as the other girls yet so she didn't demand money. A few more guys like you, and she will start demanding money up front.
Seriously, if you want a freebie from a girl who is going with you because she likes you and not just hoping for money, I suggest going to Dragon Fly, Hard Rock or other such places. However, my guess is you will get zero freebies because in reality the girls are not going with you to give you a freebie, they are going with you hoping for money. But I hope you can prove me wrong by scoring there. There are FAR more girls in those places with 6.5 million rupiah a month jobs, students living with their parents, and with husbands/benefactors than you will ever find at Bats. So theoretically, they would be quite target rich environments by your standards.
I look forward to your next report of your freebie from Dragon Fly or Hard Rock Cafe. Good luck!
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My experiences
Went to Dragonfly a few weeks back, to meet a friend over there..
As soon as I came in a girl approached me and asked if she could buy me a drink. At first I thought I understood wrong. SHE bought ME a drink..
After some serious drinking and kissing, she took me in her car to her place. And what a place that was, mamma mia..What was I suppossed to do in the morning?? Leave some money on the kitchen table??
Went to CJ' with a guy..., He started to talk to a girl.., They exchanged numbers.., After that I started to chat with the girl as well.. She said she doesn't like me..Never the less, she gave me her number.., The next day me and my friend started to exchange sms's with her.., Surprisingly she wanted to see me, the other day. Met in F- bar, had some sushi, went to burgundy and after that to my place.. Hmmm, she drove in her pimped up volvo, hehehe.. What was I suppossed to do in the morning. Give her some money..?
My friend called me. He had an appointement with a girl and asked me to join, since she brought her friend with her..
We met in mistere.., Her friend never seen me before. That wan's a reason to take out my dick behind the bar after, hmmmmm 15 minutes we met..
Went to my friends place. He and the other girl in the bedroom. Me and her in the living room. What need to be happen, happend..
What was I suppossed to do?? Leave some money???
Have been at a housewarming party last week.. About 300 people, Dj's, drinks. food etc... It was great!!!
Met a girl which works at SOS as a ....... We talked the whole evening and at 3 in the morning she decided to come to my place, since here place was " too far" away.... hmmmm again. What was I suppossed to do??
Belive me, I not that kind of guy who turns every rupiah around. I have a good salary, stay by myself and get most of the things paid by my company.. I support a few aid projects financially.., Not an orang pelit.., I know that I have to pay for girls I pick up in " nightspots"..., but my experience shows me, that there are so many girls which like to have a good time, and that, if they like you, follow you...
Red square!!! You cannot imagine how many girls are there, by now unfortunalety quite a few hookers too, who are just looking for fun.. They open bottles, drink, dance and look for some guys they like..
The other ( bad) thing about it is, that some of them consider you as your boyfriend after that.. Something that cannot happen in blok m, hehehe.. But of course, there you pay..
Just my toughts.., There is a bit of truth in both (smoothy's and mandiri's) threads..
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Sabbath, those are great experiences! But I think all of your scenarios are totally different from the one Mandiri had described. In his, he was most likely stiffing a working girl who was too nice to force the issue. In yours, you were going with girls casually. There's a difference. (by the way, taking a girl to Sushi and Burgundy will cost more than paying her straight away, so that was far from a freebie - but there's nothing wrong with that.)
Are you under 30 and good looking? I can't imagine a girl buying you a drink at Dragon Fly if that isn't the case. There are definitely hot party girls there looking for fun. But they are not easy to get if you are over 40 and not providing them with drugs.
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[QUOTE=Smoothy]Are you under 30 and good looking? I can't imagine a girl buying you a drink at Dragon Fly if that isn't the case. There are definitely hot party girls there looking for fun. But they are not easy to get if you are over 40 and not providing them with drugs.[/QUOTE]You damn right Smoothy, but then again Mandiri could be under 30 and good looking (by girls standard, NOT mine). Sabbath must have one of those, judging from his exp. For bules, is not essential to have both, just one will do.
I am fully agree with Smoothy, but i am not fully against Mandiri either. You see, me myself are over 30 (although i am still good looking, repeat good looking, not good body) but it is refreshing to read Mandiri or Sabbath kind of report, made me remembered my good old days, dont we had those good old days Smoothy? We cant stay young and good looking forever, by understanding this you will understand why they want to SHARE their glory.
I believe we cant stop the globalization that reaching here, merely by slipping 300 to 500 into their purse. So... why dont we make our point and get done with it, I really dont wanna make those youngster thing twice before share their glory. I still need the alternative place to go out and have some fun with a chance to have GFE sex, there's so many post about Blok M and Melawai I am sure we wont lost our way.
One last thing I would like to add, whether we should or not give them money, it's absolutely our call, although Smoothy and others senior member who stay long enough in Jakarta make their point very clear, many girls in Indonesia are just to shy to ask for money especially from the foreigner, but there's also many girls in Jakarta who can afford their ways of living. So please.. make your judgement (and post) correctly, right Smoothy?
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Nice FR Sabbath.. Obviously you have a comparative advantage somewhere, girls buying you drinks and picking up freebees from Dragon Fly is nothing something that's for everyone ..
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Non-commercial sex, even with pro's, is great, i'm a firm believer, but hey.. there is a difference in getting a freebee and tricking working girls - that's not ok.
[QUOTE=Mandiri]She did not conceil the fact that she is at BATS almost daily and that this was her bread-earner. Hearing this (and disliking the prospect of having to P4P), I soon used a trick ..
I hope my tactics can work for some of you guys and you can enjoy the same terms and conditions (LOL!).
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[QUOTE=Smoothy]Sabbath, those are great experiences! But I think all of your scenarios are totally different from the one Mandiri had described. In his, he was most likely stiffing a working girl who was too nice to force the issue. In yours, you were going with girls casually. There's a difference. (by the way, taking a girl to Sushi and Burgundy will cost more than paying her straight away, so that was far from a freebie - but there's nothing wrong with that.)
Are you under 30 and good looking? I can't imagine a girl buying you a drink at Dragon Fly if that isn't the case. There are definitely hot party girls there looking for fun. But they are not easy to get if you are over 40 and not providing them with drugs.[/QUOTE]
Well, I think you might categorize Sabath in the "good looking" department. Besides, he is tall, slim, young and single and I think those are advantages too! :( :(
Sabath, now I now the reason(s) why I haven't seen you around in Blok M :)
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[QUOTE=Cervello]but then again Mandiri could be under 30 and good looking [/QUOTE]
I'm not saying that might not be the case. My initial intent was to point out that just because the girls aren't asking for money doesn't mean that they intended it to be a freebie. I've met guys in the past who think that just because the girl wasn't demanding money, that she didn't want any - when really that was far from the case. Like Bulai mentioned, the GFE you get in Jakarta (even from working girls) is what makes it so special. When they are forced to demand money up front, that spoils the GFE environment for all of us. I'm just suggesting that everyone be considerate of the girls and make sure that they truly would not need that money before deciding to give them nothing.
Mandiri, perhaps your experience was a unique one where the girl thought she wasn't going to make any money that night and found you to be good looking enough that she wanted to give you some free sex. However, if you really are young and good looking, Bats isn't one of the better places to be hanging out in Jakarta. There are different subcultures in this city. If you are single, young, tall and good looking, you are wasting your time at places where the working girls hang out like Bats. You can be easily getting laid for free at other places in the city.
Time to move on to another more interesting topic. I think a Sabbath fan club is in order here. I want to hang out with Sabbath just to try to pick up some of his left overs!
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[QUOTE=Smoothy]Time to move on to another more interesting topic. I think a Sabbath fan club is in order here. I want to hang out with Sabbath just to try to pick up some of his left overs![/QUOTE]Thats my point, this topic is getting dull.
Please note Smoothy point, when the girls dont ask for money it doesnt mean she doesnt need it.
I think Sabbath should post his night activities, can Jackson open this special threat? Perhaps under the name of Freebies? Many women will appreciate this. :D
Can I join the Sabbath fan club too? Please.