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[QUOTE=Weelock]Ericklien:
For GF Hotels, in general the higher price hotels the more girl unfriendly. In other words, the cheaper hotels are more likely to be GF hotels. Sorry cannot help specifically with Hyatt and Carlton.
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You are right there, but because I like it clean and luxurious, I have decided that next time I will not have a GF hotel as priority. I will just go to a cheap hotel when I need it to make the job and return to my nice hotel.
This way keeps your bed also clean :D
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[QUOTE=Weelock]Ericklien:
"Wenn Du Ficken willst, muss du freundlich sein!", which means "If you want to fuck, you have to be friendly". I got this quote from one of your reports from around the world. :) Good to know.[/QUOTE]
:)
This is very important in the german PT clubs, where you just pay the entrance and you can enjoy with the girls there as often as you can!
If you are not nice with them, you will not have a good time there!
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[QUOTE=Danton]Guys,
Just spent some time reading through this forum and first off would like to say what a wonderful source of information it is. Anyway, glad to have joined and hope I can contribute and perhaps catch up with some of you in person in the near future.
I will travel to GZ soon and have a couple of questions (I am mindful of comments relating to helping new posters and getting nothing in return — so I will make sure I play by the rules).
I used to live in GZ, about 5 years ago, but haven't been there since then. Not many mongering tales to tell from that time as I was living with GF. Some funny stories which I can get into later but obviously due to timing they are a little irrelevant now and purely anecdotal.
So questions for now.
Will be staying at Holiday Inn — any experiences there at SPA etc or policy on girls to rooms? (get the drift that this is only an issue during trade fair periods)?
Is the area near Holiday Inn, bar street, (Heping Lu?) still ok for action? Possible to meet WG or freebies in the bars there?
Interested in Tang, Cave, Gypsy King or anywhere near Garden Hotel (Elephant & Castle and...) etc as they all within walking distance. These places have WG and or good chance for freelancers? Seems possible from what I read?
Anyway guys any help, advise appreciated and hope I establish myself on here and come up to expectations.
Btw could be free to meet up this Friday, Saturday if anyone is around (don't have PM function yet as want to see how this works out)[/QUOTE]
Many SW near China Hotel Marriot. A few reports back I attached a name card of a lady that can arrange to send you girls anywhere in GZ, in case you don't have much time for hunting.
Regarding PM, it will definitely help you contact memebers faster and you get more efficient information, since everybody takes a message more seriously than a post. The subscription cost is really very fair and it helps the forum!
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After having read the forums a little, and in hopes of avoiding pissing off senior members, I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to spot BBS and saunas offering FS.
I'm not going to ask for freebies, but since I am relatively new to mongering I am hoping I could be given the tools to help myself.
- Give a man a fish and he's fed for a day. Teach a man to fish and he's fed for the rest of his life.
What do the BBS's I'm looking for look like? So far, I've only had experience with two saunas, both of which were conveniently at the hotels I stayed at previously.
And saunas, the two that offered FS I found out of luck as prior to that, I was paying for legit standard massages. From my experience so far, it seemed that the two with FS had the massage parlors in seperate buildings that were partitions of each of those two hotels.
Finally, what's the best way to go about asking? What do I say? I don't want to seem awkward about it like the last two times.
I'm currently slated to arrive in Guang Zhou tomorrow (not sure which hotel yet) for two nights.
Any help would be appreciated, even if it's just search keywords since BBS comes up with way too many posts to sift through.
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Just ask
[QUOTE=Tungsten Anode]After having read the forums a little, and in hopes of avoiding pissing off senior members, I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to spot BBS and saunas offering FS.
I'm not going to ask for freebies, but since I am relatively new to mongering I am hoping I could be given the tools to help myself.
- Give a man a fish and he's fed for a day. Teach a man to fish and he's fed for the rest of his life.
What do the BBS's I'm looking for look like? So far, I've only had experience with two saunas, both of which were conveniently at the hotels I stayed at previously.
And saunas, the two that offered FS I found out of luck as prior to that, I was paying for legit standard massages. From my experience so far, it seemed that the two with FS had the massage parlors in seperate buildings that were partitions of each of those two hotels.
Finally, what's the best way to go about asking? What do I say? I don't want to seem awkward about it like the last two times.
I'm currently slated to arrive in Guang Zhou tomorrow (not sure which hotel yet) for two nights.
Any help would be appreciated, even if it's just search keywords since BBS comes up with way too many posts to sift through.[/QUOTE]
Tungsten Anode,
There are some telltale signs for BBS. Pink lights, girls just sitting around, nobody getting their haircut. Normally, if they are wearing a uniform, it is HJ only, especially with "WenZhou" in the name of the place. If not, it is usually FS.
For sauna, it is a bit more difficult. Normally, the higher end joints only offer a HJ. It is the lower end places that offer FS. Legit saunas have a common shower and dressing room, sauna/steam and pool area, etc. FS saunas just have the rooms in which there may or may not be any sauna or steam facilities in the bathroom, sometimes just a standard hotel room. If they take you directly to a room, you are almost guaranteed. If the give you a key to a locker, you are probably a HJ at best.
I usually get straight to the point and ask if I am not sure. There are some politer words to use such as "Chen Tao" (sp?) for FS.
Just my POV.
OAH
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Thanks for the quick reply OAH.
I have a couple more general questions.
Would the hours of a said establishment also be a giveaway as to its intentions? (In terms of spas at hotels.)
Is it safe to prowl around at night for such establishments?
Are they located in bundles together on their own little corners, or are they peppered out throughout the area?
Would it be wise to call a cab and ask to be driven to one? (vs the kickback)
Is LE much of a problem regarding these activities?
I would like to send out PMs per Ericklein, but I'm not sure who wouldn't mind answering my newbie questions.
Thanks for any assistance in advance.
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[QUOTE]Tungsten Anode
Is it safe to prowl around at night for such establishments?
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According to my experience, It is safe to walk around GZ.
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LE - Taxi - PM
[QUOTE=Tungsten Anode]
Would it be wise to call a cab and ask to be driven to one? (vs the kickback)
Is LE much of a problem regarding these activities?
I would like to send out PMs per Ericklein, but I'm not sure who wouldn't mind answering my newbie questions.
Thanks for any assistance in advance.[/QUOTE]
I never had any issues with LE. Saunas with FS seem to be legal. Massage parlors also. I was impressed that once in a massage parlor that nothing else except HJ was allowed, the girls wouldn't give me a BJ even for 1000 RMB.
I asked a driver once to take me to a FS sauna, but he didn't understand. Maybe you should have a picture with you of a man having sex with a lady! :D
I am also not sure how many would mind answering to your questions by PM, but I wouldn't mind answering if I could! :)
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[QUOTE=Ericklein]I never had any issues with LE. Saunas with FS seem to be legal. Massage parlors also.[/QUOTE]Actually it's ILLEGAL in MP's, saunas, BBS's and KTV's. You can be caught with your pants down in a RAID by LE in MP's, saunas, KTV's and even in 5 star hotels. You can be jailed, fined and have something stamped on your passport.
[QUOTE= Tungsten Anode]Finally, what's the best way to go about asking? What do I say? I don't want to seem awkward about it like the last two times. [/QUOTE]First learn some Chinese. Maybe a few words to get around. Next suggestion offer to buy dinner to a Senior Member to take you around. Make some new friends. Note: I am not in China now.
[QUOTE=Tungsten Anode]Is it safe to prowl around at night for such establishments?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Erickein]According to my experience, It is safe to walk around GZ.[/QUOTE]In my opinion be extremely careful. Southern China has the highest crime rate in all of China. On the other hand, to be fair "Moody" said differently. He said it's generally safe. Do a search about crime in Southern China in ISG. You will find reports like scams and safety relevant to mongering. Crime have been discussed several times before.
"OAH", was kind enough to reply to some of your questions in your first post. Then "Erickein" and I tried to answer your other questions. "Tungsten Anode" please Read The Forum First.
Side NOTE:
I think there was a FAQ on China written by somebody. It had what was a KTV, BBS MP etc and rules of monger. I think it was by "Ace Gallant".
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Overly cautious?
[QUOTE=Weelock]Actually it's ILLEGAL in MP's, saunas, BBS's and KTV's. You can be caught with your pants down in a RAID by LE in MP's, saunas, KTV's and even in 5 star hotels. You can be jailed, fined and have something stamped on your passport.
First learn some Chinese. Maybe a few words to get around. Next suggestion offer to buy dinner to a Senior Member to take you around. Make some new friends. Note: I am not in China now.
In my opinion be extremely careful. Southern China has the highest crime rate in all of China. On the other hand, to be fair "Moody" said differently. He said it's generally safe. Do a search about crime in Southern China in ISG. You will find reports like scams and safety relevant to mongering. Crime have been discussed several times before.
"OAH", was kind enough to reply to some of your questions in your first post. Then "Erickein" and I tried to answer your other questions. "Tungsten Anode" please Read The Forum First.
Side NOTE:
I think there was a FAQ on China written by somebody. It had what was a KTV, BBS MP etc and rules of monger. I think it was by "Ace Gallant".[/QUOTE]Weelock,
You have made some good points, but if taken completely literally, I would never leave my hotel room. I know you are very cautious due to your own personal experience in the past.
One must be vigilant wherever they monger, however, I still reckon, although it is technically illegal as you state, the chance of getting busted in China nowadays is pretty low and it is pretty safe to walk around GZ if you follow a few basic rules like don't follow anyone to an unknown place. And, mongering with a wingman is always a good idea.
That said, I would not suggest a newbie laowai monger to wander into the very local mongering areas alone without any language skills or experience. I do it because I have a little of both.
Just my POV.
OAH
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[QUOTE=Weelock]Actually it's ILLEGAL in MP's, saunas, BBS's and KTV's. You can be caught with your pants down in a RAID by LE in MP's, saunas, KTV's and even in 5 star hotels. You can be jailed, fined and have something stamped on your passport. [/QUOTE]
:eek:
Everybody is acting so naturally, so I really got the feeling that it's Legal!
But good the OAH confirmed that the chance of getting busted is low! I'm relaxed again
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[QUOTE=Weelock]
First learn some Chinese. Maybe a few words to get around. Next suggestion offer to buy dinner to a Senior Member to take you around. Make some new friends. Note: I am not in China now.
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Nice way to get a free dinner! Nothing is for free in this life any more :)
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[QUOTE=Weelock]
In my opinion be extremely careful. Southern China has the highest crime rate in all of China. On the other hand, to be fair "Moody" said differently. He said it's generally safe. Do a search about crime in Southern China in ISG. You will find reports like scams and safety relevant to mongering. Crime have been discussed several times before.
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I was carefull and always watched me back, but in certain cases I put my self in a higher risk than I should have had. I was lucky and everything went well. I never carry passport, credit cards or valuables. Only sufficient cash for the fun of the night!
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first time in GZ
Hi Friends,
I'll be in GZ next Thursday. What place (sauna, etc.) would you recommend as a safe place to a non Chinese speaking 'pale-face' to go to? I'm looking for good clean and hassle-free sex. Coming from Beijing, cost is not such an issue. I guess it will be cheaper anyhow. Take out to hotel could also be an option.
Thank you.
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[QUOTE=Beijing Fox]I'll be in GZ next Thursday. What place (sauna, etc.) would you recommend as a safe place to a non Chinese speaking 'pale-face' to go to? [/QUOTE]Fox - OAH will help you out with some advice.
OAH - can you help Fox out - he is a good guy - you guys will spend time together sooner or later in BJ.